Bush is an idiot and a coward. The reason his poll numbers have slipped even further is because he continues to talk tuff, while our soldiers die in Iraq.

Our soldiers are taking the fight to the the enemy, not Geogre Bush.

Our Soldiers are killing scores and scores of insurgents, only to see them swarm back like ants, not George Bush.

And our soldiers and thier families are the ones paying the price in blood, NOT GEORGE BUSH.
As a former Marine, I am sickened at the fake bravado and callousness shown by a man who was too chickenshit to serve his country when it was his time. Bush has already caused alot of brave soldiers and innocent Iraqi's to die...how about letting the rest live.

Thank God you are an ex-Marine! I take that back, I don't believe for minute that you were ever a Marine. Everyone who ever served in uniform knows that the President does not lead men into battle. Hell, Generals don't even lead men into battle! No Marine would ever expect his Commander-In-Chief to shed his blood on the battlefield or to engage the enemy on the battlefield.

This is just a bunch of Macho puke!

Yeah, it's not about the battle and we all know it. It's about recovering the stuff left unprotected in the Soviet Union. John Kerry made an excellent point about the programs in place to recover the uranium. It seem the infallibly stupid Commander-in Chief is too confused to really keep his eyes on the prize, that loose uranium that needs to be recovered and accounted for. He's too busy playing archair warrior when he was too chickenshit to go to Vietnam, but stayed stateside in the Reserves, those people who he sent to the war he started based on fabricated intelligence. You know, the Commander-in-Chief with the traitor waiting to be tried for treason for giving up the identity of an undercover US agent.

AL Does that stand for All Lies?

Please Gregor, you don't know your behind from a hole in the ground. Have you ever flown a jet figthter? We pulled pulled several dead pilots out of the Gulf of Mexico in '68 while I was stationed in Key West. Guess what, those guys were flying training missions.

I was an 18 year in 1966. I know the decisions that guys had to make back then. Some enlisted, some joined the reserves, some got college deferments and some ran! Serving in the reserves was not the discrace that you liberals are trying to paint it. Just ask the families of the 21 Marine Reserves killed in Iraq last week. So quit insulting reservists!

I guess you Dems have a plan for getting Russia to let us come over and take care of their nuke problems? Let's here your suggestions Gregor!

Quit griping and offer some solutions!

No beast is more savage than man, when possessed with power answerable to his rage. Plutarch said Cicero said that. We’ve got a sham corporate government that stands to make beaucoup bucks from nuclear proliferation. No telling what the side deals with India are, and what that portends for the exceptional likelihood of India going off on Pakistan or vice versa. The Raygunista cold war paradigm is alive and kicking, and bunker busting tactical nukes are spit in the f**king ocean.

He’s discredited now, thanks to those great nucular patriots Harry S. Truman (the Haberdasher) and Edmund Teller (the second-rate physicist), and nobody in this day of religious profiling is going to listen to an intensely patriotic Jewish citizen of the world quoting the Bhagavad Gita, but

If the radiance of a thousand suns

Were to burst at once into the sky

That would be like the splendor of the mighty one…

I am become death

The shatterer of Worlds.

The unmistakable lie, and the gateway to a new era of state terrorism that makes pikers of incidental terrists was launched when the US insisted Hirosima was a military target. People die to this day because of radiation induced DNA anomalies. Now we just leave Shiva lying around on the ground and in the groundwater in the form of DU.

I guess you Dems have a plan for getting Russia to let us come over and take care of their nuke problems? Let's here your suggestions Gregor!

Holy shit, that plan was embraced by Russia and initiated when Clinton was president. One more casualty of the Project for New American Centurions, but hey, the Rapcha will intervene, and we'll all be either dead or driving around in brand new T-Birds.

AL, your post is confusing. It seems to claim you were flying nuclear armed jets at 18. Talk about speeding the plough.

Callie, thanks for bringing up this issue. The MSM is ignoring it entirely...probably haven't figured out it's a crisis in the making.

If Bush is serious about stopping nuclear proliferation, why is he no longer honoring the treaties we signed? There is no reason for any non-nuclear country to abide by any of these treaties if we won't.

Along with his pre-emptive attack doctrine, Bush has sent the world back into the same chaotic waters we used to travel before these treaties were set in place. For decades they protected everyone; now it's every man for themselves. No wonder it's fast becoming the top priority for any developing nation.

The terrorists are not an issue when it comes to neuclear proliferation treaties. They are anarchists not governments. Using them as an excuse to destroy the balance of power between nations is not fooling anyone. The neocons want to destroy the Salt treaties so they can develop new, more expensive weapons. They plan to sell them to other countries or use them to bully weaker nations.

One of the reasons Africa is in the mess it is today is because we and the Russians flooded that continent with cheap, small arms (bunker busters sound like they would fit this category) trying to control trade and natural resources. It was a totally irresponsible and irrehensible act.

This guy has no respect for life. He will not be happy till he destroys all the species on this earth and relegates humans to the bottom of the pecking order. Long live the insects for they shall inherit George W. Bush's world.

I see it don't take much to confuse you michaelj, no wonder you posts are so disjointed and nonsensical.

"Just ask the families of the 21 Marine Reserves killed in Iraq last week."

perhaps we should also ask how those family members are coping after learning it was an ill-armored-amphibious-vehicle designed to shuttle from ship to shore, and not for known land(mines) aka as ied's? who didn't think of this or didn't care enough to think about our marines safety?

"So quit insulting reservists!"

never would i insult our national guard...in my state, a reservist, middle-age dentist was called to iraq, not to dentist, but to guard. this is using our guard to their max?

or

in montana, heard the national guard and their forest fighting helicopters were called to iraq (oh, yea, the gov is not happy either). this is desperation?

and back to the spent or unspent nuclear material in russia, and elsewhere...that is a very good point of demo & repub & independ concern. especially since our president is on vacation from working "real hard...it's hard work..." after succeeding with "mission accomplished" and also bin laden and his #2 are on vacation too, along with our 100,000 and the 3000 english in iraq?

enought said. perplexed, disillusioned, and disgusted w/w-cheney-rove-incorporated, but do admire hackett, mourn all those lost in iraq-mire, and enough said.

Once upon a time, all the Presidents from Washington to Jackson to Grant led troops into action....the Whiskey Rebellion, the Florida Indian Wars, etc. George Bush, on the other hand, would just like to ride a nuke out of silo like that madman cowboy in the movie. He thinks it's all fun and games...video games.

Maybe he should visit Hiroshima. He could take along his mountain bike and have a picnic at the memorial park with the twins (since they aren't working or signing up for military service). It's so peaceful and quiet there.

And I'm still smart enough to learn to fly a jet figher...even at my age and gender. No problems with flunking a drug test and being grounded like you know who. Gottcha, Al.

Posted by AL on August 5, 2005 at 09:34 PM

Grammatically, sytactiacally, that's what you said. There's nothing difficult to understand about logic, if you're logical. If you're simply making easy online claims about being an OG jet pilot and a captain of freebooting capitalism, well, check your tats dumbass. Put some more white surgical tape on your glasses.

If you simply are unaware of the agreements that Clinton reached with Russia and the Ukraine over decommissioning nukes, try a search engine. If it stymies your limited intelligence and imagination that the PNAC crowd would rather pursue its nuclear agenda and let the ex=Soviet nuclear materials and technology wind up in wet-work play-date regulars like Egypt and Morocco, who cares, I guess.

If you can't understand English, try ESOL, but I think you'd find yourself behind the learning curve, and the odds are getting better all the time you'd be a target of profiling, This could be a good thing though. Ed Rollins might give you some 'walking-around' money.

Japan had every chance to surrender before the 1st bomb and after the 1st bomb. My father was one of the men of the 120th Infantry Regiment that fought across the hedgerows of France, Belgium, Holland and Germany and who were training for the invasion of Japan. It is estimated that a million servicemen were saved by those two bombs. I am very glad that my dad got to come home instead of storming the beaches of Japan.

Nice try SandyH, but no President has ever led troops in battle. Several soldiers who later became President led men into battle.

michaelj, do a cut and paste and show me where I ever claimed to have flown a jet? Not to good at this reading comprehension thing are you?

Maybe he should visit Hiroshima. He could take along his mountain bike and have a picnic at the memorial park with the twins (since they aren't working or signing up for military service). It's so peaceful and quiet there.

Alert Secret Service Agents would have to wrestle the pavement to the ground, over and over.

I don't mean to make light of this anniversary. It is the greatest shame of my country. It trumped the shame of the incarcerations of Japanese-Americans whose relatives were serving honorably in the war, but I'd say you could find huge numbers of patriots willing to give up freedom for safety and, thus, none deserving of either.

There was a dry run for Truman's irredeemamable claim that the Hiroshima bombing was a necessity. Cabinet members at the time claimed that it was humane for replacing carpet fire bombings that would otherwise have been necessary. Of course, Tokyo was virtually leveled. Shock and awe, y'all. But the centerpiece for this military target argument was Dresden, where Germans made delicate porcelain and china, and where some Teutonic romanticism directed that large numbers of US POWs would also be targets if the USA decided to just trash an artistic center. German civilians and American cannon fodder.

Hope that's not too diffuse in the logic of my argument.

michaelj, do a cut and paste and show me where I ever claimed to have flown a jet? Not to good at this reading comprehension thing are you

You certainly questioned another poster's experience. If you had no direct experience of your own, well, have you ever been the Pretzeldent of the Newnited States and had a little Scottie ratdog piss on your head. Your asinine implication was as clear as it was totally bogus. I've flown planes, but not jets. Your implication was this quite clear internet bullshit. Reading comprehension has apparently kept me from the 800 ETS scores. Somehow, I only get the 790s, time after tedious time. You're a moronic little internet tough in your own mind. BFD. Honestly, though, English has more words than other languages, it's evocative, and it wouldn't hurt to learn it.

Washington did lead the troops in the Whiskey Rebellion to make sure the former colonies knew that he meant business...they damn will better pay their federal taxes or they would have the General personally in their face. Jackson was almost impeached for starting a war against the Seminoles/Spanish without Congress' consent. He made it his business to personally lead the troops so he could thumb his nose at all of them....they never should have insulted his wife. Bad mojo.

This is the 60th anniversary of the most awful things about what human beings can do to each other and the world. We really had no choice, the Japanese were not willing to stop. 50% of our troops were tired and coming home from Europe, as the other 50% were getting weary from the trouble in the Pacific. With the death toll climbing in Japan, nowhere insight for achieving our goal, and our soldiers growing more tired everyday we had to take drastic action. It's not the best choice we made.

Today we have a record low recruitment level, a war STILL STILL STILL in Afghanistan, an on going war in Iraq, and now we face possible threat of attacks from Syrian warriors, Iran, North Korea, and angry Iraqi nationalist. Yes, now the Iraqis. I'm not talking about the Sadam loyalist. I am talking about those who lost every thing they had, because of this war. If we face more imminent real threats, we might end up doing the same thing we did in Japan. Since we now have more enemies, (thanks to this president) the other nations that also hates us might use their weapons, because they feel threatened by us. Do you know what that is? This is an example of a DOOMS Day scenario. Unless the united states don't act soon enough to have peaceful talks with other nations, form more friendships, and lead the way in slowing down the weapon making then we will be witnessing this catastrophic event.

Al, don't you get it. You guys talk about SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS and here you have a Marine expressing his disappointment and all you do is personally attack him. This goes to show that the right does not have hearts; if they have hearts then it might be black. You Right wingers talk about the troops, but the president has under funded their supplies and protection. The president is now spending millions of dollars on nukes, but not spending it on protecting the troops. He has created more anger around the world, he alienated about 48% of Americans, he alienated our allies, global terrorism increased, and now he is on vacation during A WAR! A WAR! A WAR! You talk about us too busy attacking Bush and not having a plan, I just gave you a plan without attacking Bush. Talk peace and use money for armor. I attacked his policy, and I am attacking you people for what attacking the troops. If you have any self respect, than I strongly would suggest that you would not respond. Responding to me would make you turn out to be a sore loser, who can not shut his mouth and accept the truth. If any of you right wingers respond to my post then you will prove that you actually are against the troops and are hypocrites. Just be men for once and walk away, there you might get some respect from this progressive/liberal Democrat.

I see it don't take much to confuse you michaelj, no wonder you posts are so disjointed and nonsensical.

Honestly, I've never been confused in my entire life.

Have you ever flown a jet figthter?

Cut and paste? Well, what did you mean by this idiotically gratuitous question. Have you? Do you actually know something about doing this? Does Noxious W? have a clue when it's not a beer run? What a jejeune mayfly CReepublican. Oh, I'm mortally wounded about my language skills. I actually thought I had Strunk & White down. Please don't let on to the clients that pay me for linguistic precision.

Whatever. I never flew a jet plane, but I've been at the controls of a couple of LearJets when sales reps were trying to make sales. I wouldn't say that was flying, but it was fun. What that might have to do with a misAdministration bent on nuclear proliferation, I've no idea. Hope that's not too diffuse, but I'd trust a wise bastard like AL can set y'all straight.

AL is absolutely correct. I never flew a plane in combat, never delivered shock and awe, not even in what are undoubtedly his favorite video games. Plastic Pocket Protector ahole.

I‘m also in a fairly unusual position for an American to take no solace nor comfort in American technological superiority when it comes to Weapons of Mass Destruction. I live with somebody that had a grandmother that was burned irrevocably by the incendiary radiation device in Nagasaki. That grandmother was still alive until a few years ago. She had a chrysanthemum pattern of a dress she was wearing burnt into her skin. The spectacularly gross canard that the bombings were necessary to save lives might serve as salve for American consciences, but it’s patent bullshit and everybody knows it.

The point of the bombings was to let the Russians know they had no part in divvying up the Pacific. The Japanese government had sued for peace before the bombings. That’s an irrefutable fact. There were no military targets in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Those are irrefutable facts. The dead and the lingering for decades dying weren’t military, they were civilians, and that’s an irrefutable fact.

Once the genie of atomic state terrorism is out of the bottle, you can’t put it back, and that’s an irrefutable fact. And Interlocutors Rummy and Dickless believe that nukes are Savior-appointed tools for the New American Century. Another irrefutable fact.

Oppenheimer also said this about the bomb:

The atomic bomb made the prospect of future war unendurable. It has led us up those last few steps to the mountain pass; and beyond there is a different country.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

What a dumbass, huh? Thinking that mankind might learn a lesson. History doesn't say much for Darwin does it? Sure says less for Intelligent Design, n'est ce pas?

When he'd been stabbed in the back by Dr. Strangelove, Teller over the efficacy of thermonudlear weapons, and he's lost his life , basically, along with his intelligence clearance, Oppenheimer talked about: This is a world in which each of us, knowing his limitations, knowing the evils of superficiality and the terrors of fatigue, will have to cling to what is close to him, to what he knows, to what he can do, to his friends and his tradition and his love...
.

Sounds like a Cold War Traitor to me. He also said The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. Well and there's Henry Walpole, insisting that life is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

Anyway, it‘s entirely likely that everything Teller said about Oppenheimer in his bizarre prejudice and envy was an absolute crock of shite.
So much for the cold war as some meaningful good vs. evil confrontation. Gangs that couldn't shoot straight impugning the patriotism of true patriotic scientists.

Have I beat all round the bush. Well, that's my pedantic pleasure, and I'm sure I've made no point for anybody that didn't pay close attention. Thought I might have kicked some synapses into play, maybe entertained slightly. Never bludgeon with mindless insult, nor stultify with meaningless and unprovable claims, I'm just what I say I am, no more nor less, and if that asshole didn't make it out like he was a jet pilot, then G Nosious W. Incurious Weed never acted like he was Top Gun and the Mission Was Accomplished.

Posted by CollegeDNC on August 5, 2005 at 06:43 PM

I totally agree and I am a soldier as well. Once served always a soldier, sailor or marine, etc. No one can take that away from you.

Callie! Bravo sista you've been doing your homework! Thank You!! :-)

Sorry Sandy, WRONG again:

Andrew Jackson was an Indian Fighter BEFORE he became president. He defeated the Creeks at Horseshoe Bend, Alabama (Davey Crockett fought with him). He pursued the Siminoles into Spanish Florida in 1817.

As for Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion:

"the President ordered militia from several other states into Pennsylvania to keep order. He then traveled to the site of the troubles to personally oversee the buildup of troops and to lend his encouragement to the enterprise"

By this definition I guess you would also say that George Bush led his men battle when he visited Bagdad!

michaelj,

Let me do this for you in simpler terms that you can understand:

"Please Gregor, you don't know your behind from a hole in the ground." Just an expression to let Gregor know that in my opinion he was wrong.

"Have you ever flown a jet figthter?" I simply wanted to know if he new anything about what it takes to be a fighter pilot? (Gregor was demeaned George Bush's service as a figher pilot in the Reserves)

"We pulled pulled several dead pilots out of the Gulf of Mexico in '68 while I was stationed in Key West. Guess what, those guys were flying training missions." I was in the Navy (did I say anything about me flying planes, NO) and I helped coordinated the Search and Rescue efforts for 2 training accidents. I am sure you missed the point so I will spell it out just for you. Being a Fighter Pilot in the Reserves is a dangerous job, EVEN if you are not in combat.

"I was an 18 year in 1966. I know the decisions that guys had to make back then. Some enlisted, some joined the Reserves, some got college deferments and some ran!" In other words, I new guys that joined the Reserves. Im sure the subtly of it escaped you, but I was also pointing out that there were other less dangerous ways guys chose to avoid service.

"Serving in the Reserves was not the discrace that you liberals are trying to paint it. (See Gregor post) Just ask the families of the 21 Marine Reserves killed in Iraq last week. So quit insulting reservists!" Once again, just for you michaelj, being a Reservist is not a discrace. Mayby you liberals have a different way of thinking, but in my book, when you demean 1 Reservist, just becasue you don't like his politics, you demean all Reservists.

"I guess you Dems have a plan for getting Russia to let us come over and take care of their nuke problems? Let's here your suggestions Gregor!" Just wanted to know if Gregor really new anything about the Russian nuke problem other than the Democrat "talking Points"

"Quit griping and offer some solutions!" This means quit griping and offer some solutions!

Now that I have simplified and expalined things to you perhaps you can compose a post that actually address the points I made Or you can just continue to draft your same old crap that has no basis in fact.

Oh AL

You're just another member of the reichwing of America come over here to vent because you have no where else to do so.

Please go away. You and your kind would be ecstatic at the idea of a neverending war. AND THANK GOD there are Marines who understand the tragedy of war and not jerkoffs like you who get giddy at the sight of blood and absolutely horny at the sight of dead bodies.

I imagine porn to you is mangled and maimed bodies.

You have NO IDEA of what you are talking about, you're just some poor pathetic wannabee who probably sits in his basement playing war games on his computer and pretending to be something he isn't.

Go away, this site is for people who actually are concerned about the future of this country, not reichwing morons such as yourself who hope for an ongoing neverending war and believe in blindly following a president into poorly planned and executed war and post war plans.

Shrub will go down in history as the single worst president in our entire history. I thought Ronnie Raygun had that title down pat, but Shrub seems to have EASILY taken over that title.

Shrub's idea of a perfect country is one that is controlled by the military/industrial complex with The Christian Taliban as their social and law enforcement arm to control the populace and keep them from EVER questioning authority.

You believe in and practice a form of fascism that is perhaps even more dangerous than any earlier forms and probably more dangerous than the commusinistic society of the Soviet Union.

JUST in case you refuse to remember what fascism is, let me refresh your obviously brain dead memory.

--A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.--

--"A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)--

--A system of government that promotes extreme nationalism, repression, anticommunism, and is ruled by a dictator.--

--A political movement that believes in an extreme form of nationalism: denying individual rights, insisting upon the supremacy of the state, and advocating one-party rule with ultimate authority resting in the hands of a dictator.--

So go back on over to the RNC Blog where they welcome idiotic statements such as yours and leave democrats to try and save the US from your type of blind patriotism that would allow the state to completely control your life, but then again small brains such as yourself are easily led around by the nose by simply waving the flag and a cross which requires no ability or need to think for yourself.

SO as much as I hate feeding repuglican trolls such as yourself A-Lie, this was worth it.

GO away and go back to your military video games and mirror over your bed(cuz you don't have a partner nor want one, it would get in the way of the mirror while you do yourself.)

Oh and please stop pretending to be a vet. You only shame real vets.

AND stop with the idiot statements about "points made" because you made none, you are simply either an idiot or a paid GOP shill over here repeating the oft discredited GOP talking points.

"the President ordered militia from several other states into Pennsylvania to keep order. He then traveled to the site of the troubles to personally oversee the buildup of troops and to lend his encouragement to the enterprise"

Sounds like he was personally involved to me. He sure as hell didn't show up with a plastic turkey. I bet he also stayed long enough to mingle with the locals and made sure the troops had all the right equipment to do the job before he left.

Since they were both militarily trained, why did Washington succeed so well where Bush has been such a failure? Maybe he should have spent more time inspecting the equipment on the battlefied and less time posing with plastic turkeys behind enemy lines in the green zone.

Three years and one visit to the military arena seems sort of slim. I know he didn't think it was very important to show up for duty while in the National Gurard either, but he's been on vacation about one year out of the four he's been in office. Seems like he could have fit in a few more photo opportunities. I think Laura and Codi has been over there more than him.

Maybe we can count on a turkey filling in for him in the future. He does seem to be surrounded by lots of turkeys.

Like I said SandyH, Presidents don't lead their troops into battle. Wordsmith or spin to your hearts content. You were just flat out wrong! Like most everything else that exits your keyboard!

Keep trying tho, but maybe do a little better research!

You guys are right about one thing, Bush is toast he will never get re-elected. Well that is not exactly true, Jeb in 2008. Wouldn't that just "frost your bacon"

Buzz,

YOu can regurgitate your left-wing bable all you want, doesn't make it true! It must be a lot of fun getting all that positive feed-back from all your other left-wingers on this blog. It is kind of difficult to deal with someone like me who has a different intrepertion of the truth. You might actually have to think and come up with an original thought or argument. Not used to that on this blog are you. I am so sorry to upset you, but I am not going away unless the powers that be cut me off. That is in fact what I think will happen.

Her is just one thought for you:

You defined fascism as: "social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms."

Who in this country is for Government run health care, government run social security, government run schools. Was it the liberal or conservative judges who upheld "eminent domain" allowing big corporations to use the government to take land from individuals.

Wow, your party sounds a little like fascists doesn't it?

"Who in this country is for Government run health care, government run social security, government run schools."

Maybe we will ask the voters about that in the next election...the social security part in particular.

Just who has benefited the most from eminent domainanyway? Corporate interests, supported overwhelmingly by local Republicans, have been taking advantage of urban home owners and small businesse for decades. I love the "blighting" laws they passed and then used to steal whatever choice locations they wanted. It's about time those strict constructionist judges joined with their liberal colleagues to make the public face the facts.

Al, I'm sure you are a real proponent of the strip malls and asphalt....versus hugging trees and rose gardens. But now that urban sprawl has finally reached your weekend getaway you've become worried about eminent domain affecting you?

And why do people from the right come here and puke their BS all over this blog? Because the RNC doesn't provide them with a blog of their own. Why? Because someone might post a dissenting opinion or question the authority of those who have no telerance.

SandyH,

Government run Health Care - that would be Hillary and the Democratic Party

Government run Social Securtiy - That would be the Democratic Party. God forbid if an individual had control over his OWN money and could pass it on to his kids if he didn't live long enough to collect it.

Government run Schools - Democrats, especially the labor union arm of the party.

Do you not know that it was the LIBERALS on the Supreme Court that upheld the "emminant domain" case! After we get a couple of more Conservatives on the Court we will overturn that ruling for you!

As for the environment, of course we Conservatives want to poison the air and water and lay waste to the land. No more strip malls thought, we are promoting strip mining now!

Grow up Diamonds, this is a free country.

Poor Poor Al - He keep taking those meths and don't know what he is saying.

Hey SandyH and Buzz (please do not try to impose your intellect upon a speed freak or nimph whichever is the case for him)

Sandy you told me not to respond and I took your advice now....your turn

He's like a bad-bowel movement if you keep talking with him

I was thinking maybe the Democrats blogs could put some sort of black-out on negative post if we send them the name of that particular poster this way they will get tired of coming over here with this foul smell....

Anyways check this out

By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 7, 2005; Page A01

At least 80 wealthy liberals have pledged to contribute $1 million or more apiece to fund a network of think tanks and advocacy groups to compete with the potent conservative infrastructure built up over the past three decades.

Now Al c'mon with your neroutic commentary...

I know that you are on Karl Rove's Thug-Attack Campaign against all Liberals and Democrats

That's alight - I just THANK GOD EVERYDAY THAT HIS SON WAS NOT A CONSERVATIVE

READ THE BOOK AND SUMMARIZED - JESUS WAS A LIBERAL

By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 7, 2005; Page A01

At least 80 wealthy liberals have pledged to contribute $1 million or more apiece to fund a network of think tanks and advocacy groups to compete with the potent conservative infrastructure built up over the past three decades.

Well Al - - cmon Mr. Meths shot it with your best shot!!

Well Thank GOD his son was no right-winged facist

If you study "The Acts" in the good book you will see that Jesus did more Liberal work while the Romans did more consevatives acts...

Who do you think is the winner???

So how much do you guys make from the Kark Rove Thug Attack Campaign....Sound like something he'll do - -

He never finish college and his loyalty for the President is creepy at best

Ain't nobody scare of you freaks!!

Yeah that's right I used a double negative - You deserve it

I wouldn't waste my interllect on a nutcase like you

darson,

Wow, you really put me in my place. Here is a scoop for you, we Conservatives don't eed "think tanks"---we already know how to think.

Really darson, you better see if you can join one of those "tanks" so you can learn to think.

If you just want to swap insults we can do that. If you want to actually debate an issue, pick something and give it your best shot.

Maybe we can teach you something you can use in your high school civics class.

Darson,

If Jesus was a liberal, Kerry would be President, don't you think? I know a lot of Democrats were praying for that!

darson, point taken. Thanks.

Glad to see some big money is being put into research and development instead of just advertising.

Somebody better check to see if the Dems are stealing money from inner-city black kids to fund those "think-tanks". YOu know, like they did to fund Air-America!

Al

I would love to submit a decent debate with an "Intelligent right-wing consevative"

Could you point me in the right direction?

By the way...everytime I see comments like yours from "Karl Rove Thug paying Thug-Attacker"

I submit it to the DNC so that they would stop you guys from distracting our agenda

Now go take another pill!!

Hey you racist moron...everyone knows that the Republicans are the ones who take money from inner city black kids...

WARNING:
Pill-Popping, Drinking and Typing do not mix

SYMTOMS:
Disillusional comments and posting on wrong blogs are a few signs!!!

Help me SandyH

I am stooping to his level

Mourning mom to Bush: 'Why did you kill my son?'
August 7, 2005

CRAWFORD, Texas -- The angry mother of a fallen U.S. soldier protested near President Bush's ranch Saturday, demanding an accounting from Bush of how he has conducted the war in Iraq.
Supported by more than 50 demonstrators who chanted, ''W. killed her son!'' Cindy Sheehan told reporters: ''I want to ask the president, 'Why did you kill my son? What did my son die for?' ''

Pressure getting to Novak?

CNN contributor and syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak stormed off CNN's set after using vulgar language during a live discussion with CNN contributor James Carville on the "Strategy Session" segment of the August 4 edition of CNN's Inside Politics.

While discussing Rep. Katherine Harris's (R-FL) plan to run for a Senate seat against Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL), Novak told Carville, "Just let me finish what I'm going to say, James, please. I know you hate to hear me." Carville said to host Ed Henry, describing Novak: "He's gotta show these right-wingers that he's got backbone, you know. The Wall Street Journal editorial page is watching you. Show 'em you're tough."

Novak responded: "Well, I think that's bullshit, and I hate that." He then said to Henry, "Just let it go." As Henry asked Carville a question, Novak walked off the set.

After the segment ended, Henry apologized to viewers for Novak's leaving the set "a little early," adding: "I had told him in advance that we were going to ask him about the CIA leak case. He was not here for me to be able to ask him about that. Hopefully, we'll be able to ask him about that in the future."

Posted to the web on Thursday August 4, 2005 at 5:08 PM EST

darson,

Since you obviously don't know about this:

The New York Sun's David Lombino reported this week that Cohen received more than $800,000 in loans for himself and Air America during his tenure, according to Gloria Wise executive committee President Jeannette Graves. Graves alleges that Cohen funneled $613,000 to himself and Air America without her authorization or knowledge. Other loans were approved by the Gloria Wise executive committee when Cohen claimed he needed money to cover medical expenses for himself and his father. As a result of an ongoing investigation, the city canceled its contracts with both Gloria Wise and Pathways in June -- causing a near-shutdown of services to poor minority kids, Alzheimer's patients, and other underprivileged clients until other nonprofit agencies were brought in to take over the old management.

Yesterday, Air America host Al Franken acknowledged that Piquant had conducted an internal probe of the matter before the city got involved -- and, according to the city, failed to tell authorities about it.

Not only did Air America steal from inner-city black kids, they tried to cover it up!

Air America, that great beacon of liberal thought, built on money stolen from little black kids.

I tell you what!

You can keep the little commentary about "little black kids" to yourself...

I never listen to what a racist has to say about "Blacks"

darson,

You like to dish it out, but you can't take it can you. You haven't gotten the talking points for this issue have you? Can't quite figure out how to blame this on Bush can you?

You can keep the little commentary about "little black kids" to yourself...

I understand that you don't want word to get out that your great Democratic radio network Air America was funded on money stolen from little black kids, but the truth has to come out.

Doesn't this news just make you sick? It would me, if I were a left-winger!

AL - Your beginning with an insult sure explains who you are and what you are about, and it's not a hole in the ground. I know.

Did you perceive that I was demeaning the Reservists in my post. Not at all, I was insulting George W. Bush. First, for hiding our in the Reserves, and second, for putting them on the front in this Occupation of his. I know a few soldiers and they are seriously disheartened by the attitude of some Reservists. They wonder why there are not more professionals there. But the #1 goal of this Mis-Administration is to prosecute this war on the cheap with the military so there's more money left over for the war whores. Can you tell me why they have not found the $8 billion dollars that has gone unaccounted? I can guess.

Solutions? Diplomacy, real, honest, diplomacy. Not Bolton brutality, twisting arms and making inflammtory remarks and insults, just plain diplomacy. If Dubya is a big friend of Vladi, maybe he could work something out where we can send assistance to Russia and the Ukraine to recover the Uranium left in unsecured. Is Dubya capable of anything like that? Let me answer. NO! He's a blithering idiot supported by a band of maniacla Zom-Bushes that believe any protest to his performance borders on treason.

Karl Rove is the best example of treason I've ever known. My disgust with this Mis-Adminstration is my right as an American and I will exercise that right until I no longer can. I have the right to call BS when I see it and that is what I see. How is it that you can't?!?

Gregor,

Did you perceive that I was demeaning the Reservists in my post. Not at all, I was insulting George W. Bush. First, for hiding our in the Reserves,...

For Christ sake, Gregor, hiding out in the Reserves damn well is demeaning to Reservests. YOu just can't seem to "hide" your true feelings about the Military, can you?

Always "blame America 1st" Gregor. I mean if the U.N. says that 8 billion dollars is missing, it has to be true, right?

Karl Rove is the best example of treason I've ever known

So, how many examples of treason have you known? I DARE you to post the definition of the word treason and try to fit what you allege that Rove did into that definition.

Of course, the truth never gets in the way of a good Democrat "talking point", does it?

Oh AL AL AL,

You are such a poor misguided shill for the GOP.
Tell us honestly, how much are they paying you to come over here?

Anything like what Armstrong Williams was getting paid, or just pizza and some drugs?

So let's see here. You find one thing that on it's face is inappropriate funding on a radio station and accuse them of stealing from minorities yet manage to totally ignore the BILLIONS that have disappeared in Iraq.

How conveeeeenient for you eh?

Not to mentiont the thousands of people dead because of this moron for a president's personal war, based on lies, half truths and ignoring other intelligence stating that Iraq had no WMD.

So I guess it's okay to be responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, almost two thousand of our troops, the unexplained loss of 8 billion dollars, but somehow a business deal that doesn't appear to be totally illegal but perhaps unethical is more important?

No wonder this country has so many problems caused by repugs. They don't understand ANYTHING.

Oh and by the moron AL, the GOP and conservatives fund a lot more think tanks than democrats and liberals do.

The reason?

Simple moron.

We figure doing things honestly is better for the country whereas the repug think tanks do nothing but try to find wars to decieve the entire American public and kill thousands of people, further divide the country, and enrich big corporations beyond are normal belief.

SO unfortunately we have had to sink to your level to try and counter attack the attempt at one party rule and a dictatorship by the GOP who, if they had to actually tell the truth...well...their heads would explode first.

So go back to your little basement in mom and dad's garage and keep playing your video games and leave this dicussion to adults who are trying to save America from the Brown Shirts such as yourself. Okay?

I hate feeding reichwing trolls but sometimes it's kinda fun. They are so ignorant you just can't help but feel sorry for them.

OH by the way ALie, AT LEAST AIR AMERICA IS ADMITTING THEIR IS A PROBLEM AND WORKING TO FIX IT.

Unlike the lying liars in the White House.

"As for the environment, of course we Conservatives want to poison the air and water and lay waste to the land. No more strip malls thought, we are promoting strip mining now!" Grow up Diamonds, this is a free country. Posted by AL on August 7, 2005 at 03:28 PM

Always "blame America 1st" Gregor. I mean if the U.N. says that 8 billion dollars is missing, it has to be true, right? Posted by AL on August 7, 2005 at 08:04 PM

al,

i can't make sense of your lines. you're way off-topic, way off-thought. including, my post name is "america1st." i'm unclear, if implied blame "blame America 1st" meant the united states govt or me (post name)? if the latter, i never had that post.

(fyi, i did see your 8:17 response to my 8:01 post on the "The President's PDB" strand)

back to a real concern is that w is raising the stakes...forcing others, including iran and north korea to up the ante. even the eu couldn't convince iran...i'm not defending anyone country, just expressing that if one does it, then expect others to follow...and what is too much may finds the excess in rogue hands. w take needs to pause...or perhaps the person to request a pause from is the unofficial white-house spokesperson, aka under the secret identify of "turd-blossom?" oops, did i leak a secret identity?

Sorry to say.

Peter Jennings has passed away. He was one of the best. He will be missed.

Always was my favorite next to Walter Cronkite.

Buzz,

If you believe the U.N. there is 8 billion missing. The same organization responsible for the gigantic "oil for food" scandal.

So Buzz, I take it from your comments that you are against the Air America taking money from little black kids to fund their network. At lease we agree on 1 thing.

america1st, I thought you guys were against us using troops as "cannon fodder". I guess its OK to use them as "bunker buster" fodder because without a way to take out the bunkers with a bomb, it will have to be troops doing it. Also, it is sorta naive to beleive that that other nations are going to give up their nuclear capability just becasue we decide not to pursue a tactical nuclear weapon. Let me remind you that we did not win the Cold War by unilateral
disarmement.

Posted by AL on August 8, 2005 at 08:56 AM...

"america1st, I thought you guys were against us using troops as "cannon fodder". I guess its OK to use them as "bunker buster" fodder because without a way to take out the bunkers with a bomb, it will have to be troops doing it."

with w's (negative) popularity w/world community, especially among the rogues, he'll need all you listed above, including prayers, and what ever else he can get science, perhaps "intelligent design," to do, and spend taxes that might be used wisely elsewhere ... oh yea, "you guys," there you go again ... reading into posts w/a predetermined mind-set. i guess you didn't read my previous response about "clarification" invites discussion?

"Also, it is sorta naive to beleive that that other nations are going to give up their nuclear capability just becasue we decide not to pursue a tactical nuclear weapon."

same response. with w's huge popularity around the world, why there's every reason "to keep up with w's."

"Let me remind you that we did not win the Cold War by unilateral
disarmement."

nor was "w" and arrogance in power, either.

NO AL, I don't agree with anything you have ever said. You are the best example of the morons who currently have control of the White House. Lie, obsfucate and practice character assassination.

You really do need to stop following the talking points of the GOP and learn to think for yourself.

BUT then again that's what the GOP and morons such as yourself are well known for doing.Taking comments out of context and then spinning lies about them.

Air America didn't steal anything from little black kids, NOT that anything remotely resembling the truth means anything to idiots like you.

But I have come to the conclusion that if reichwing morons like you had to actually tell the truth about anything your heads would EXPLODE first.

AND since when did the GOP give a crap about little black kids since they are the ones constantly reducing or getting rid of programs to help them?

Talk about hypocritical idiots.

The reichwing GOP constantly cuts funding for programs to help poor inner city kids, BUT CAN'T WAIT TO GIVE THOSE BIG CORPORATIONS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CORPORATE WELFARE AND BILLIONS MORE IN TAX BREAKS.

AL you really need to get out of your parent's basement and get some fresh air. You should probably as well try listening to someone else instead of Rush (the drug addict) Or Bill (the phone sex addict) or Hannity(the lie addict) and try to learn to research and think for yourself instead of just preaching the reichwing talking points of the GOP and the Christian Taliban.

Or are you getting paid so much to come over here, that it is beyond your capabilities?

I'm glad we both agree that you are a liar too.

Thanks

Buzz,

I'm sure you have done a google search by now and know the detials of the money stolen from little black children and Old ladies to fund Air America. I think you should start a calling campaign to Al Franken to force Air America to pay that money back! You are against stealing money from little black children and old ladies aren't you?