Cindy Sheehan is first!

There is a long history, in this country and in the world, of brave people engaging in some form of non-violent protest in order to draw attention to bad situations that need to be remedied. Cindy is the current example.

These people are scorned and ridiculed at the time, sometimes even killed. Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks. John Kerry was even trashed last year because of his protests during Vietnam, which helped to end that bloody mess.

What they do shines a light on issues that ought to be scrutinized.

Dean said during his campaign that he wanted to turn a flashlight on Washington and watch all the cockroaches scurry for cover. He was criticized at the time for calling people cockroaches (personally, I love his bluntness), but how far is it from the truth?

The cockroaches are scurrying now! Thank you Cindy Sheehan!

In edition to this blog, there is a great story on Cindy on Alternet that I read yesterday. Not only are people donating money to her cause (there's a link in the article) but the good people of Texas - yes, there are good people in Texas - have been dropping by and giving her water, food, and camping supplies.

But I was troubled about reading that a state legislator, representing Crawford had warned Ms. Sheehan that if she did not leave by today, she would be arrested as a national security threat.

In reality, all she's is asking is a meeting with America's greatest national security threat

Ironic, isn't it?

In edition to this blog, there is a great story on Cindy on Alternet that I read yesterday. Not only are people donating money to her cause (there's a link in the article) but the good people of Texas - yes, there are good people in Texas - have been dropping by and giving her water, food, and camping supplies.

But I was troubled about reading that a state legislator, representing Crawford had warned Ms. Sheehan that if she did not leave by today, she would be arrested as a national security threat.

In reality, all she's is asking is a meeting with America's greatest national security threat

Ironic, isn't it?

Sorry about the double post

"...a state legislator, representing Crawford had warned Ms. Sheehan that if she did not leave by today, she would be arrested as a national security threat."

please allow me a little prose...

a "national security threat?" a grieving mother, reportedly with a sore-throat and cold, who i'd call an american trooper at camp-mud? i got it.

trooper = national security threat!

ok senator call out the secret service, handcuff, haul away this "national security threat," so w can enjoy the rest of his 5-week vacation to concentrate on real ("hard work, you know it's hard work") issues... spinning ...it's "mission accomplished" in iraq, and a "noble cause" to send others, casey included, to fight (for a noble's cause?).

lets get this lady off the road, the barbecue needs w's attention, including rummy's t-bone. already, one secret mastermind operative of campaigning was observed, visibly upset, that a recent rain-burst ruined his "turdblossom" autographed paper plates. allow vp to go back to his hammock too, doctor's orders? oh yea, media folks, beware of those rattlers that patrol w's ranch! rummy, maybe throw the lady the bone?

There are first person accounts of what's happening in Crawford as well as photo's and video at http://www.thebillboardproject.com/

Bush doesn't have the guts to meet with this greiving, angry mother; and I bet Laura is ashamed of him for being such a coward.

It should be interesting to see whether it's the state troopers or the Secret Service who strong arm her off the road before the limos start arriving for the rizy fund raising barbecue at Southfort. They seem to relish these Schiavo-type displays of abuse of power.

If she get arrested or hurt, they're just sinking their own ship. Martin Luther King would be proud of such courage.

Ah yes the true cowardly act by Shrub. USE families for political purpases and gain, BUT NEVER BE RESPONSIBLE TO THEM.

Typical rightwing hypocrisy. HOW DID THEY EVER GET RE-ELECTED?

Cindy you are my Idol. take this and run with it, who knows maybe the Bush Administration will finally have to deal with a little thing called accountability

Thumbs up to you Cindy. I highly doubt Georgie will talk to you. Georgie's too much of a chicken shit. You can always talk to John Kerry. I'm sure John Kerry will listen to you.

Let's not leave Cindy alone. I suggest anyone with the time this weekend drive to Crawford and just park on the road. If we had one car there for every dead soldier, the line would be nearly four miles long! What does that look like from a news chopper? Oh, that's right, the ranch is probably restricted air space. Nevertheless, we should go to support her and not just talk about it, IMHO.

PS - If I lived in Texas or Oklahoma, I would.

I just wrote an entry on my blog that is partly about Cindy, but also from a broader perspective, "stepping up to the plate" when the time comes. Thought I'd share the part that's about Cindy here:

http://bmgbiz.net/pblog/index.php

I don't know Cindy Sheehan personally, but I know that she is doing something that needs to be done. One by one, we have seen stories about the wrongs this administration has committed related to the invasion and occupation of Iraq appear briefly in the news, but somehow fail to get "legs". They are quickly displaced by some other story that seems more immediate, more sensational, more "public interest". Cindy just may be the right person at the right place at the right time to reverse this trend. For once, maybe the media and the American people won't immediately look away, but will be forced to really pay attention to what is going on, and even care enough to take action. And I, for one, am truly thankful that, in spite of the risks she is taking and the insults she must endure, Cindy Sheehan chose to say "Here I am" when circumstances called.
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I just wrote an entry on my blog that is partly about Cindy, but also from a broader perspective, "stepping up to the plate" when the time comes. Thought I'd share the part that's about Cindy here:

http://bmgbiz.net/pblog/index.php

I don't know Cindy Sheehan personally, but I know that she is doing something that needs to be done. One by one, we have seen stories about the wrongs this administration has committed related to the invasion and occupation of Iraq appear briefly in the news, but somehow fail to get "legs". They are quickly displaced by some other story that seems more immediate, more sensational, more "public interest". Cindy just may be the right person at the right place at the right time to reverse this trend. For once, maybe the media and the American people won't immediately look away, but will be forced to really pay attention to what is going on, and even care enough to take action. And I, for one, am truly thankful that, in spite of the risks she is taking and the insults she must endure, Cindy Sheehan chose to say "Here I am" when circumstances called.
My Religious Left web site: promoting the politics of compassion since 2003

well folks,

from outa-nowhere to everywhere...even my local newspaper included it on the front page and a guest editorial on the editorial page...networks a buzzin'

if i were to give a pr score at camp-mud:

trooper mom = 4

w, vp, turdblossom, rummy = 0

proudly, this america1st has admiration for you and all you represent. i'm sure casey would agree.

hope you've the strenght to stay the course trooper-mom!

President Bush does not want to meet with Cindy Sheehan because he does not know what to say.
After all he sent 1000s of soldiers to their deaths not to mention the thousands of Iraqis dead over a war that should not have happened.

The Oil companies and Halliburton are among the few companies who are benefitting from this war but thats a whole other topic.

When George W. Bush used Cindy Sheehan over a year ago for a public relations photo op, bounced in like he was still a cheerleader at a game at Yale or a Rah-Rah owner of a baseball team, he showed how UNPRESIDENTIAL he is. And when George W. Bush refuses to address Cindy Sheehan's concerns today, he shows how incapable he is of performing Presidential-ly.

Bush NEVER was Presidential material, and he is such a lousy learner, he hasn't even been able to come close to learning it -- even to fake it. And George W. Bush is such a small person, such an example of stunted sensitivity, it is no wonder he has embroiled us in a War-for-Profit with no end in sight. I shall now bestow George W. Bush with the title The Unpresident, Commander 'n' Cheat.

Bush is without question the White House's most UNPRESIDENTIAL occupant ever.

"The Oil companies and Halliburton are among the few companies who are benefitting from this war but thats a whole other topic."

sense,

that it is...

yet, if w's kingdom was "compasionate," then w/donations from halliburton, those 100,000+ on vacation for iraq's "noble cause" finishing up w's "mission accomplished," could be invited to w's ranch for a big appreciation barbecue next summer, when w takes his next well-deserved 5-week summer vacation from "working hard, you know, it's very hard work."

in the meantime, those 100,000 and trooper-mom, have received no such invite.

I read an article about Sheehan on Yahoo! News. It seems that the President is stubbornly refusing to listen to her.

He says he "Grieves with her", then says that leaving Iraq would be a "Bad Signal." Anyone find this true? I certainly don't.

What would be a Good Signal however, is us throwing down the Penalty Flag on the Right Wing.

Play-By-Play Commentator: It looks like Bush says that he Grieves with Ms. Sheehan, but the opposition isn't happy with it, and neither are the referees, one of whom just threw down a penalty flag, which landed near the President himself.

Referee: Personal Foul for Political Gain. #43 on the defense (as he's defending his war reasons). 20-Yard Penalty (How long should the penalty be?). FIRST DOWN!

It is disgusting how these right-wingers attack this woman. They say she has a political agenda, they say she has been with the left wing groups, they say all of these nasty things about this woman. Here is one thing, none of them, not a single one of them knows how it is to be poor, to lose a child at war. They don't even understand how the Iraqis who have lost their children, husbands, and other loved ones feel. Shame on you right wing conservatives who attack this woman. You attack her motives for finding out the truth on why her son died and why there are people still dying and the president continues to repeat the same thing over and over. You attack her patriotism because she hates war and wants peace. You attack her grief by calling her a flip flop or confused, "she shouldn't meet with the president again". You guys should be a shamed of attacking her right. If the soldiers "are fighting for your freedom" then you should be patriotic and let the woman speak her mind, protest, and question the leadership of this country. Any right winger who attacks her motives are anti-patriotic. Ms.Sheehan is a TRUE AMERICAN.
REAL AMERICANS, FREEDOM LOVERS, AND US DEMOCRATS ALL SUPPORT YOU.

The way Bush is acting just proves he was a coward in the 60's an is one now.This women son was a hero.Bush has no idea what that is.May a fellow brother rest in peace.Talk to the lady Bush her son died for your war.As a combat vet I say this it's time for this coward to step up an be a man.

Bush step up an be a man .You where a coward in the 60's an your a coward now.As a Vietnam combat vet To may fallen brothers mother I say stay in the fight.Your son is watching an is proud of you.An to my fallen brother I say rest in peace.St. Peter a hero reporting sir.

"Bush Says Iraq Exit Timetable Is 'Speculation' "

By Edwin Chen and Mark Mazzetti, LA Times, Fri Aug 12
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/latimests/bushsaysiraqexittimetableisspeculation

"I grieve for every death," [said Bush]. "It breaks my heart to think about a family weeping over the loss of a loved one. I understand the anguish that some feel about the death that takes place." He added: "I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan…. She has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America."

At best, these flippant, disingenuous remarks show how detached the administration is from public concern, and at worst they show how much the administration does not care.

one political cartoon may have an equal message?

http://www.ucomics.com/patoliphant/2005/08/10/

i'd suppose this issue brings to the top of the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. when w ran in 2000 he portrayed himself as the "compassionate conservative" ... who would unite this nation. after 911, he had an opportunity to do just that. well, looking at w's recent poll numbers, we're far from united, factually, more divided then ever. a uniter would meet with this trooper mom at camp-mud, no matter what her opinion. so, draw your own conclusions...from my side of the rift, a divide it is growing...thanks to w, the great divider. hang in their trooper mom at camp mud. w can hide.

"I grieve for every death," [said Bush]. "It breaks my heart to think about a family weeping over the loss of a loved one. I understand the anguish that some feel about the death that takes place." He added: "I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan…. She has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America."

AND I DON'T GIVE A DAMN. Someone did turn off the mike, right?

Posted by aTrueModerate on August 12, 2005 at 12:20 AM

What's the matter? You guys have lost confidence in the prevailing policy? You broke, you fix it. Or you have to run on it in '06.

president's motorcade on way to a fund raiser speeds past trooper mom at camp mud...

i guess w's got some "hard work, very hard work." besides, who's that ragged looking woman along the road? come on trooper mom, didn't you already hear w proclaim "mission accomplished?"

please allow me to add to my above post...appreciate...this really struck a nerve w/me...w doesn't have 15 minutes?

NEWS FLASH... maybe all of have already heard or seen ...

president's motorcade on way to a fund raiser speeds past that trooper-mom camped out at camp-mud...

i guess w's got some "hard work, very hard work." besides, who's that woman out along the road? come on trooper-mom, didn't you already hear w proclaim "mission accomplished?"

and feel safe americans... looks like more security folks along camp-mud's road are monitoring "trooper-mom" aka "security risk," then are monitoring illegal's crossing our border? taxpayer money in action!

gees w, hope you raise a lot...a "noble cause" or for a "noble's cause?"

I am so happy to see that there are many on the internet who are backing Cindy, but I have yet to see but small blurbs on MSM, CNN, etc. Yet, there are whole hours spent talking about Aruba, Michael Jackson jury, and cruise ship murders. Here we are at war and the media is saying its a "slow-news period". If the media is available to take pictures of Bush chopping down trees, why couldn't they take a picture of his motorcade driving past Cindy? It looks like we not only need to take back the White House but we need to take back the media, too.

"It looks like we not only need to take back the White House but we need to take back the media, too."

true...perhaps dnc will now start to think about this too?

and doesn't play well for w on his way to a fund raising vs a meeting about iraq, or economy, etc...a motorcade to a fund raising...i guess we taxpayers paid for the motorcade and its security too?

Want to reform the media?

Got to www.iwtnews.com and give them $50. That's how we're going to reform the media, by building our own and forcing the other media to cover real stories in order to maintain credibility. You can also fund investigative journalism at www.consortiumnews.com, www.gregpalast.com, and www.motherjones.com.

truthtopower...timely suggestion, and perhaps the latest in w's pr mediamire...

"He arrived at the fund-raiser before noon CT at a neighbor's ranch for a barbecue where he was expected to raise at least $2 million for the Republican National Committee, said RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt.

Some 230 people were attending the fund-raiser at Stan and Kathy Hickey's Broken Spoke Ranch, a 478-acre spread next to Bush's ranch. All have contributed at least $25,000 to the RNC, and many are "rangers," an honorary campaign title bestowed on those who raised $200,000 or more for Bush, or "pioneers," those who have raised $100,000 or more."

for complete:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/12/bush.friday.ap/index.html

i'd say, one plus and one minus...plus is w did real good raising 2 mill, not good pr being caught by media in motorcade going to a misguided run, not to meet about iraq or something of importance to american taxpayers.

dnc should demand...

provide trooper-mom at camp-mud a taxpayer-paid-motorcade too, to raise 2 mill for iraq veterans.

relocate those security folks monitoring camp-mud to new mex's gov richardson's command...unless someone out there can convince me that this pesky trooper mom is more of a security risk than those illegals, perhaps even terrorists, crossing gov's border.

I sent a few things to her! The people that have joined her need those big umbrellas that stick in the ground. They need Hankerchief to wet and put around their neck. They need ice delivered to them everyday. They need ice chests and ice packs. They need bottled watter and large sheets to wet and make a roof for a shade. If we don't help these people someone will die and Bush won't feel guilty but will we?

I've just send a donation and several letters to Cindy c/o Crawford House. There is need for supplies and they'd like mail to be sent as well. Here is the address for the Crawford Peace House:
http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/
I hope the DNC offers support and that demcoratic politicians go to Crawford.

Monetary donations are needed and can be sent to:
Crawford Peace House
P.O. Box 710218
Dallas, Tx. 75371-0218

"If you were Mr. Bush, would you meet with Cindy Sheehan."

Considering that Bush has already met with the Sheehan family and Cindy Sheehan has significantly changed her story concerning the TONE of that meeting, why would he meet with her again. She could come out of a second meeting and making any claim she wanted to about it.

And I would say that Michael Moore has contributed to the deaths of our service men and women by activiting objectively pro-terrorist leftists and, thus, given the terrorists hope. It's a two-front war and the terrorists know if a significant percentage of Americans begin to oppose the war on terrorism, then the war becomes easier for them on the front in Iraq.

Sheehan's family overwhelming disagrees with her position and now, according to Time magazine, another son is imploring her to leave Crawford. She is essentially disgracing two sons now and it's outrageous that left-wing hate groups are exploiting this woman's pain when she should be with her family and spending time with a therapist. Shame on the objectively pro-terrorist left in this country.

http://www.retroactiveimpeachment.com

Cindy Sheehan's vigil has been touching and inspiring for Americans in all parts of the country. It is crucial for the Democratic party to support her and demonstrate that we care about the welfare of our troops and military families more than the Republicans do. Of course, we prove that with almost every vote in congress. But support for Cindy will resonate in many quarters more forcibly than a dry recitation of congressional voting records. HoDe's appearance on Face The Nation today was an excellent start. Glad to see him calling on the Shrub to formulate an Iraq pullout plan. Keep the pressure on, Howard.

To my knowledge, no national Democratic leader has joined the protest in Crawford. Is that true? Why not?

How come Hillary Clinton hasn't paid her a visit?? What a tremendous opportunity to get her views on the war aired over & over again!!!!!!!

Or how about Howard Dean? Or the Reverend Jesse Jackson???? Or the Reverend Al Sharpton?????? They could REALLY help Cindy out!!!!!! C'mon you guys, GET DOWN THERE AND LEND A HAND AND A VOICE!!!!!

I am amazed at the strength and honorable dedication to her son's memory, with which Cindy Sheehan has stood firm in Texas. First, I must agree strongly with VTDem who has asked WHY the Democratic leadership has been obviously absent at the protest? Second, I would hope and expect the leaders of my party to call a press concference decrying the abusive, disrespectful and horrifying destruction of the crosses in her memorial. The person who did this most likely feels they are patriotic and probably even thinks they are religious. This was sad and horrible and it is time our leadership came forward to protest this and stand behind Cindy's rights to do what she is doing! Good question VTDem. Where ARE our leaders?

Why haven't our Democratic leaders paid a visit to Cindy Sheehan? Same reason they havn't paid respect to our soldiers by attending funerals, and the same reason they are silent about the gas gouge. They either are afraid or they don't care. Neither is worthy of a vote from someone who might be undecided. They dissappoint me very much.A thorough house cleaning is in order for or party's leadership because this bunch just don't understand people. They think people will vote for them because of some issue they claim to be for. A fast look at who is running the country will will clarify that belief.

Democratic Party: Stand up for the truth Don't be afraid. Say that Bush's war was based on lies... don't sugar coat the truth! Stand Up For Us.

Well, we know now where Biden stands. He's said that he disagrees with Sheehan's protest. This shouldn't be surprising. Apparently he's running for President by appealing to the 11 people who still believe that the Cheney administration is telling the truth about this war.

This may help explain the DNC's silence:

http://yubanet.com/artman/publish/printer_23850.shtml

From YubaNet.com

Columns
Norman Solomon: Cindy Sheehan's Message Repudiates George Bush - and Howard Dean
Author: Norman Solomon
Published on August 13, 2005, 07:40

In 1972, after many years of U.S. involvement in Vietnam, the Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg wrote: "In that time, I have seen it first as a problem; then as a stalemate; then as a crime."

That aptly describes three key American perspectives now brought to bear on U.S. involvement in Iraq.

The moral clarity and political impacts of Cindy Sheehan's vigil in Crawford are greatly enhanced by the basic position that she is taking: U.S. troops should not be in Iraq.

Sheehan's position does not only clash directly with President Bush's policy, which he reiterated on Thursday: "Pulling the troops out would send a terrible signal to the enemy." Her call for total withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq also amounts to a firm rejection of the ongoing stance from Howard Dean, the head of the Democratic Party, who told a Minneapolis audience on April 20: "Now that we're there, we're there and we can't get out."

Supporters of the Bush policy in Iraq may express misgivings, but they have an outlook that views the faraway war as a fixable "problem."

Dean, the Democratic National Committee chair, has opted to stick to a calibrated partisan line of attack that endorses the war in real time. "The president has created an enormous security problem for the U.S. where none existed before," Dean said in Minneapolis. "But I hope the president is incredibly successful with his policy now that he's there."

Of course, the idea that Bush could be "incredibly successful with his policy now" in Iraq is the stuff of fantasy. But it's the kind of politician-speak that makes a preposterous statement because it seems like a good media tactic. That's what most Democratic Party bigwigs, and some activists who should know better, are still doing. They're the rough equivalent of those who, like Ellsberg for a time four decades ago, regretted that the war was "a stalemate." Along that line, objections to the war liken it to a quagmire.

But the U.S. war effort in Iraq is not a quagmire. It is what Daniel Ellsberg came to realize the Vietnam War was: "a crime."

Cindy Sheehan -- and many other people who have joined her outside the presidential gates in Crawford, and millions of other Americans -- understand that. And they're willing to say so. They have rejected not only the rabid militarism of the Bush administration but also the hollowed-out pseudo-strategic abdication of moral responsibility so well articulated by Howard Dean.

On Thursday, in his transparent attempt to halt the momentum of the vigil led by Cindy Sheehan, the president spoke to journalists and repeated his usual rationales. Along the way, Bush provided a sing-song catchphrase of the sort that political consultants are paid big bucks to script: "As Iraqis stand up, we will stand down." It all added up to insistence on war and more war. "Pulling troops out prematurely," he said, "will betray the Iraqis." But Bush got his scripted syntax inverted when he made the mistake of saying something that rang true: "Obviously, the conditions on the ground depend upon our capacity to bring troops home."

While Bush sees the war as a problem and Dean bemoans it as a stalemate, Sheehan refuses to evade the truth that it is a crime. And the analysis that came from Daniel Ellsberg in 1972, while the Vietnam War continued, offers vital clarity today: "Each of these perspectives called for a different mode of personal commitment: a problem, to help solve it; a stalemate, to help extricate ourselves with grace; a crime, to expose and resist it, to try to stop it immediately, to seek moral and political change."
Norman Solomon is the author of the new book "War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death." For information, go to: www.WarMadeEasy.com.

It's becoming more apparent to me that many leading Democrats are avoiding Cindy Sheehan. I can find no references to her on John Kerry's or Hillary Clinton's web sites. Wesley Clark's blog has postings regarding her on it, but none of the postings are from Clark people. John Edwards' blog has a letter of support for Sheehan from *Elizabeth* Edwards, but not from John himself.

Can anyone find any statement of support for Sheehan from a prominent national Democratic?

I find this silence very discouraging. Perhaps the DNC is boxed in by Dean's rhetoric about having to "succeed" in Iraq (as if that were possible). Perhaps the party is following the old rule that if your opponent is self-destructing, you stay of out his way. I don't know. But I would like my party to honor Sheehan's compelling moral example. I would like my party to make clear that the administration is not only refusing to answer her questions about what "noble cause" her son died for, but also is refusing to follow its legal obligation to give Congress viable benchmarks by which to assess the situation in Iraq, is unable to account for 8.8 billion in missing provisional authority funds, is unwilling to investigate reconstruction fraud, etc. These are all intertwined matters, and the party should be able to discuss these failures of the administration without resorting to cheap political tricks and without coopting Sheehan's own message. That this has not happened suggests that the party is still, even under Dean's leadership, gripped by an overly cautious approach to stating what it's for.

Cindy's pain must be tremendous and
Her son's death was a tragedy.

If we leave now, the terrorists win Iraq by default which gives them a bigger base of operations, emboldens them and disheartens others in the area who might want freedom.
In this particular case, I just don't see how anyone can responsibly advocate for a complete and immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq. Whether we like it or not, we are in Iraq. Anybody in here think we should completely withdraw all of our troops from Iraq right now? If so, I would like to hear how this complete immediate withdrawal is a responsible position. Please address concerns about simply giving the terrorists Iraq, ...
Recognizing that we can't leave now does not mean that I don't sympathize with Cindy Sheehan's loss.

In response to VTDem, a lot of our elected representatives are afraid to stand up for their beliefs (or they don't really have democrat beliefs). Maybe getting reelected is more important to some of them (2006) or they are thinking about 2008. Of course, most of them voted for the war! Now, having voted for the war, perhaps they are afraid to admit that it was a mistake!What if members of our own party had to meet with Cindy? What would or could they say?

As an example of someone who believes that the Iraq war was a mistake but does not think that we can leave now, we need to look no further than Howard Dean. As the leader of the party and someone who has unimpeachable credentials regarding opposition to the war, he shows that even though he was against the war he knows that we can't completely leave there now. I have not heard any senator say that we should take out all of our troops right now. This is a problem.
Cindy knows that she lost her son, Casey, in the war and that we will keep losing men and women in Iraq until they all come home. Therefore, she is calling for a complete withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq right now. Our senators mostly voted to authorize the war and either think that simply completely abandoning Iraq and giving it to the terrorists is a mistake or they are afraid to speak their mind. Hence, we have this division in our party. It is important to get united together on this!

I read the transcript from Hardball that Chris Matthews had with Cindy. He was really complimentary I thought from what I read and heard.
Has anybody else read it or did anyone else watch it?

She seemed to think that the war in Afghanistan was also a mistake. What do you all think? Anyone else here think that the war in Afghanistan was a mistake?

Upon reflection, since Cindy feels that the Afghanistan war was a mistake like the Iraq war, she would want us to remove all of our soldiers from Afghanistan as well as Iraq. The next step would seem to be to remove our troops from Saudia Arabia. Al Qaeda has explicitly stated that our troops on their holy ground motivate their terrorist actions. After that, if we started to show more support for the Arab states and stopped being as Pro Israel as we are, we would also take away another stated motive for the terrorist acts of the terrorists. Perhaps in this way, we could avoid making the terrorists mad at us. Then, hopefully, they would stop attacking us.