IMPEACH BUSH!

Almost-socialist-communist-out-of-the-way-let all-hell-break-loose-Dem Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 05:05 PM

Who's calling who names now, sport?

Missed the changeover. To repost:

Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 05:05 PM

That's nothing new, in fact, it comes with the territory. The Democrats are the only true big-tent party, notwithstanding that the Republicans try to talk a good game on that front.

In 1948, Truman saw both the right wing and the left wing of his party defect and nominate other candidates. Yet he still won the election.

Seems to me that Democrats don't do as good a job as pulling together when times get tough as they once did. Of course, the attitude of "Give 'Em Hell, Harry" didn't hurt on that front, either.

Some of the comments I've seen on this blog disturb me, however. 2004 was not a re-run of 1984, not by a longshot, but you'd never know that if you're only source of information was what you read here. Instead of exposing W's claimed "mandate" as the lie we all knew it to be, too many people have turned on Kerry instead.

that entire tax discussion is pathetic and irrelevant in the face of Bushco's corruption and war and wholesale assault on the environment. used to be one could have a great discussion on tax fairness; progressiviety, etc.; used to be there were TRUE conservatives out there with whom to have a good, idea-filled discussion.

Now, when I hear a Repug moan about "well Bush ain't great but I'm for lower taxes and I'm a hawk," I want to throw up. We CANNOT AFFORD Bush's insane, tax-your-grandchildren fiscal catastrophe. And the people DYING in Iraq are NOT the friggin' chickenhawks that pushed that godawful occupation.

It's the epitome of blindness and SELFISHNESS to vote Republican these days. IMHO.

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 05:13 PM

Labels are useless and a waste of time.

KISS: People vote for Rebublicans because they think that they will protect them from "baddies" and ensure that all their hard-earned money remains in their hands.

People vote for Democrats because they believe that the Democrats will ensure that the less fortunate are cared for, that civil rights are maintained and that we get entangled in less wars.

Right or wrong.

I agree

and to reiterate the complete stupidity of the current disaster posing as fiscal policy, or to answer those who temporize, "oh but why tax estates?"

Here's a fact getting far too little attention: The cost this year alone of the Bush tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 comes to $225 billion. In other words, the revenue lost because of tax cuts going through this year without any congressional action would more than pay the costs of Katrina recovery.

We cannot afford any more tax cuts to Bush's friends. We need to rescind many of those the corrupt Congress passed.

too many people have turned on Kerry instead

Just because some won't "walk on water" and "worship" the guy does not mean they have "turned on him". He had his shot. Now it's time to "move on". You and mj seem to think we have to stick with him for the rest of lives and that ain't the case.

Ty Josh.

Only one day to go before the historic Peace March with a gathering of over 100,000 in Washington, D.C.

Remember, patriotism is holding government accountable for their actions. That is what tomorrow is all about.

I'd rather Gore run than Kerry.

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 05:21 PM

If there was a better candidate out there, I would happily move on. Hillary will not win. Most men don't like her and many women don't trust her---more importantly, she's a woman and a woman can't win, not now.

You are right that Kerry had a chance, but was it a "fair" chance???

Labels are useless and a waste of time.
Posted by BlueinIdaho on September 23, 2005 at 05:17 PM

Not for Republicans they don't seem to be. How many times have these clowns come in here and called the Democrats socialist and communist? They've got a lot of nerve. Now this troll is trying to pull a fast one by claiming he "just wants to reform the party for it's own good by kicking the commies out and bring the Republicans in, so we can win of course!"

Posted by KevinSchmidtVA on September 23, 2005 at 05:25 PM re: the march in Washington

Yes, It's just too bad that the total number of Democratic elected Congressman who have committed to being there can be counted on the first two fingers of my left hand.

sorry, my computer didn't catch the switch, and I then had to sign in again and list my thought, but here.

Firefly, in what you said, I'm tired of it two, thats why I was going to start a new party, but to confront two parties that have successfully edged out the rest is a little too difficult, that is why we have to do something now, call a convention, impeach, vote-of-no-confidence!

ps. Thanks for the sport! Firefly, It gave me a smile, now I have a rival. BOOhahahah, anyway I was just listing what I saw as the divisions, many times we switch, and I've been known to have a hellish fury!

which troll domingo? I'm lost all of a sudden, I don't think its bad to have socialist/communist view in the party

cnn right now showing people in a cat 3 hurricane

The Natinal Democratic Party
---The People's Party of the United States
In recent news, the Democrats attempt to regain their status as the peoples party. Dedicated to representing the average Joe and Jane, accepting of all hard working open minded people in America. Our blood bleeds blue! We are still the moral, family based, union led, worker's rights, diversity orientated, religiously conscious, student fed, eco-friendly, brotherly, sisterly, America First!, globally helpful, group of people we claim to be.

we need to get back to our roots!

we need to get back to our roots!

Who's we? You got a tapeworm or something?

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 05:50 PM

Why the hostility? Did I miss something? Is it wrong for a poster to express an opinion that the party needs some work?

Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 05:41 PM

Has anybody noticed that the "history" of our party as found on THIS WEBSITE does not even mention the words "labor union?"

Not much hope for us if our own party leaders don't know our party history.

Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 05:33 PM

Sweetheart, which post of mine are you referening with this?

Christian school in California expels girl because parents are lesbians

(AP) - ONTARIO, California-A 14-year-old student was expelled from a Christian school because her parents are lesbians, the school's superintendent said in a letter.
Shay Clark was expelled from Ontario Christian School on Thursday.
"Your family does not meet the policies of admission," Superintendent Leonard Stob wrote to Tina Clark, the girl's biological mother.
[…]
Clark and her partner have been together 22 years and have two other daughters, ages 9 and 19.

What would Jesus NOT Do?

Why is so much time and energy being spent on the "Reject Roberts" campaign, yes I sent letters to editors on the subject, when Democrats on the Judiciary Committee have already voted to send him to the full senate.

It seems to me there are alot of other fronts that would be more fruitful, e.g., Spiraling Deficit as a result of the tax cuts to the wealthiest, gross incompetence handling Katrina which by extension means the Republicans would do a a very bad job of "protecting us", ad naseum.

Whoever is driving the bus over there at the DNC needs to re-read "The Art of War", by that I mean attack where they are weak, avoid where they are strong. Let's not wast time, effort and resources on lost causes!

Firefly, the one you said that you were tired of it all! I had said that I was too and had considered strarting something new after the last election

Blue, its ok, Domingo and I are having some idealogical differences on purpose, nothing to worry about. Thanks for the back up! Sinse some of you weren't here earlier, I'll ge tthe list some of us were discussing.

The insanity is affecting blue states now?

Okay, let's just start the Fifth Crusade (I think, unless I lost track) and be done with it.

Why the hostility? Did I miss something? Is it wrong for a poster to express an opinion that the party needs some work?

Yeah, I get hostile when somebody comes in here telling us what's wrong with the Democratic party and how it will all be fixed if "we" just do as he tells us. Especially when so much of it sounds like Republican talking points.

hurricane hits new orleans...it is clear BUSH DID NOT GIVE A DAMN...stayed on vacation...now hurricane threatens RICH PEOPLE AND OIL FIELDS ..bush is going off the deep end..he is in comand center ...and sending far more resources than necesary...when hurricane hit galviston in 1900.it was a large middle class city...then the land was bought up by rich people for pennys on the dollar..today its a rich mans paradise...wonder what new orleans will become,,,rich people are allready buying for pennys on the dollar...its a real estate agents dream..they are chasing down property owners all over the us..and buying cheap...and the tax payer will finance the buy out

Lets Talk about the current divisions of our fellow dems

Almost Republican Dem
Conservative Dem
Neo-Conservitive Dem
Little right of middle of the road Dem
Middle of the road Dem
Little Left of the Middle of the road Dem
Progressive Dem
Liberal Dem
Left-wing Liberal Dem
Almost-socialist-communist-out-of-the-way-let all-hell-break-loose-Dem

Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 06:03 PM

I don't need something new. I think we need to take control of the party we already have and stop leaving it to bureaucrats who've been too far removed from the common man for too long to to know what is worth fighting for and how to fight.

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 06:05 PM

Were you around when Tony used to post here? If the blog could withstand that it can withstand anybody's venting and ranting.

Yeah, I get hostile when somebody comes in here telling us what's wrong with the Democratic party and how it will all be fixed if "we" just do as he tells us. Especially when so much of it sounds like Republican talking points.

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 06:05 PM

Personally, I don't object to the first part of that but I do object to the second.

DOMINGO

In that case, you can go kiss you ass!

I am a leftwing liberal democrat and have been all my life. I have friends of all different races religions and backgrounds, I have lead coalitions on minority issues, I've lead marches and worked on campaigns such as Harry O, Jan S, and Obama from Ill., I've dated all sorts and am Gay! I come from a military/union based family and have never ever been even accused of being a republican! I consider myself to be open minded!

Now back to the real business of the blog.....

Jeez, guys chill. We all have our ideas on how the party needs to be "fixed". IMO, a strong leader to stand behind would be a good start. And, despite all the labels, we are all dems.

You know, I think our frustration and depression is getting to us.

I thought it was just me, but now I'm thinking, not so much.

I agree blue, we need to start at the top and work it out, I'm sorry that I took the defensive, but I was thinking we were having polite conversation and debate and It wasn't nice to be personally attacked because I thought we needed some changes. Sorry for the outburst, it won't happen again.

Personally, I don't object to the first part of that but I do object to the second.
Posted by Firefly on September 23, 2005 at 06:08 PM

Anyone who starts calling people "commies" around here sure sounds like a Repug to me.

problem we have in the democrat party...is when a republican like our last governor knows he wont be reelected..some one like BREDESEN runs as a democrat,,,and because he claims to be a democrat..people who have no knowledge of this person..thinks he would make a president...and we got far to many republicans in the democrat party..and fellow democrats wont speak out...and if this party dont return to it roots..the blue collar worker...this party will fade out like other partys have...because the majority of americans wont vote for radical changes..there are some democrats i would not vote for under any conditions...if the democrats believe hillary clinton would be elected they are out of touch with the voters...the same goes for all the left wing candidates...the party needs new leadership...last election mike brown must of been in charge

SCOTTY TACKLES THE MYSTERIOUS BIANCA:

Q Who makes up the list of reporters that he is allowed to call on?

Q Yes, where's Bianca? (Laughter.)

MR. McCLELLAN: Who makes up the list? It depends on the reporters that show up. I don't think she had a question. But the President --

Q Who is Bianca, anyway?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think the President had his most recent press conference this afternoon just a short time before I was out here, took questions from I think everyone who was there.

Q -- you count that as a press conference?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think it was a 30-minute briefing and several questions taken. I think I would call it a press conference.

Q Does anyone know who she is?

It is difficult to recognize and then accept that we need change. Many in the party believe those that want change don't belong, the problem is that the change happened over time and turned us from our mission. If that mission has changed and the party has changed so much that it cannot accept difference any longer, than maybe we are to blame for people leaving the party, and maybe some of us more progressive members should allow the Democrats to become rebublican by themselves as they grow more conservative in their older years. Thats being the devils advocate by the way.

Join This Weekend's Anti-War Fight

By Laura Barcella, AlterNet. Posted September 23, 2005.

Tomorrow, thousands of people will mobilize in DC -- and scores of other cities nationwide -- to voice opposition to the war in Iraq. Here's where to go if you're not in Washington.

This weekend's D.C. march, organized by United for Peace and Justice, promises to be a gathering of historic proportions -- and it couldn't come at a better time.

Thankfully, the action won't just be limited to Washington. Activist groups across the country are organizing Peace Gatherings in cities nationwide.

Let your voice be heard -- check out our list, below, of state-by-state anti-war events to support this weekend.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/25880/

Now back to the real business of the blog.....

Tell us the real business of the blog then. I'm sure it must involve you telling all "what we should do".

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 06:21 PM

D, I had a feeling you'd probably misunderstand what I wrote. I need to rephrase it.

I meant that I personally do not object to people with strong ideas saying that everything will be better if we just do things their way. I do have a problem with those ideas sounding like Republican talking points.

re: and we got far to many republicans in the democrat party..and fellow democrats wont speak out...and if this party dont return to it roots..the blue collar worker...this party will fade out like other partys have...because the majority of americans wont vote for radical changes.

_____________________
This is what I've been trying to say the entire day. I don't want us to die out because our liberal 60's and 70's era dems are becoming more conservative in their upper years and are changing the party. Its hard to be progressive in a progressive people's party when the party is becoming conservative. That isn't the answer, the answer is to go back to what we were founded upon, the worker, the average Joe and Jane

OK Firefly, the second part sounds better than what I thought you were saying. But on the first part I still don't agree. To many people come in here and try to force their ideas on everybody else which no one has the right to do. It's like how BlueinIdaho asked me if I remembered "Tony" and his "I'm right and you're all wrong" crap all day everyday. Of couse I remember that and this sounds almost just like it.

Good Evening, Democrats!

:)

Have a good weekend dems! Remember who the real war is with...our dictator-in-chief who couldn't lead a cheer, let alone a country.

Domingo, I'm sorry that you continue to be upset about the dialogue we had. I, however, refuse to lower myself to that level anymore. I was trying to express my opinion in polite conversation and debate and be open minded to other views. I am proud to be a Democrat and it is difficult to say that it needs change. You chose to demean my comments as republican and close your mind. That is your choice. I'm sorry that you feel you need a leader to listen to or need to lead the blog yourself, I thought the blog was an open place to discuss the party. In the case of the business of the blog, I was referring to the idea that this blog was meant to bring together democrats of all different background to exchange information and opinion for the benefit our party. I am new to the blog, just started yesterday, but I may be wrong.

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 06:35 PM

Like with anything else, it depends how you do it, but I'll be straight. I think many in our party and almost everyone leading our party need a good strong kick in the ass so that they'll find the courage to do something besides the same old actions as prescribed by our party leadership.

We say that we need powerful leadership with a message, but we silence some of the voices among us that might actually carry that message because we're all hung up on fighting over small things.

Some people are just assholes. Some are visionaries though, and visionaries are always greeted at first as if they were just assholes.

It seems to me there are alot of other fronts that would be more fruitful, e.g., Spiraling Deficit as a result of the tax cuts to the wealthiest, gross incompetence handling Katrina which by extension means the Republicans would do a a very bad job of "protecting us", ad naseum.

Whoever is driving the bus over there at the DNC needs to re-read "The Art of War", by that I mean attack where they are weak, avoid where they are strong. Let's not wast time, effort and resources on lost causes!

Posted by Rich1107 on September 23, 2005 at 06:03 PM

Why is it assumed that the Dems can only do one thing at a time? We HAVE to reject the idea of Roberts, because if/when he gets in and starts making decisions which change Americans way of life, we have to look like we fought it!!! something like 60% of the American public polled, say they do not want see RoevWade overturned. We don't look weak enough?????We have to let them take this one like a piece of candy from a baby?

Welcome back Paul---from VA right? We had a paul on earlier from Portland. and Good evening, have a drink yet? its getting deep in here.

Pam you're right! We needed to fight Roberts so that we could take the high road. I only hope that he remains a judge and not a party player. Our next battle, and our immediate danger is the next Supreme Court judge and the elections coming up.

Dear Dr. Dean,
I voted for you in the Arizona Democratic presidential primary. I was also thrilled when you became party chairman because you want Democrats to be Democrats again.
With this in mind, I hope you look into what is happening in Flagstaff, AZ. By a four to three vote, the City Council in this overwhelmingly Democratic community passed on first reading an anti-camping law that creates fines and jail terms for people -- including the homeless -- who sleep outside.
Sadly, Democrats cast three of the four votes backing this measure, which is slated to get a final reading on Oct. 4.
I'm particularly concerned by the vote of Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper, who votes progressively on environmental issues. After speaking with her by phone, I sent her an e-mail asking her to abstain from voting on issues affecting homeless people until the community decides whether it wants to create a detox center and shelter to offer homeless folks alternatives to the street or jail. I haven't gotten a response.
Surely anold-fashioned Democrat can delay casting the deciding vote on such a controversial measure until Flagstaff finalizes plans in connection with a detox center and homeless shelter.
Steve Schneider,
flagstaffpinetrees@yahoo.com

Could it be someone is slipping some Viagra in the Democrats drinking water at the capital???

Congressional Democrats, signaling plans to become more assertive about Iraq, yesterday asked the director of national intelligence to brief senators on conditions there, including whether the conflict has strengthened Islamic terrorists rather than weakened them.

In a letter to director John D. Negroponte, top Democratic senators said they need more information on the anti-U.S. insurgency, allied support, training of Iraqi security forces and many other topics.

Link

Now why would Bush lie about this? Could it be to give the illusion "better to fight them over there than here" a more realistic face?

The US and Iraqi governments have vastly overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, and most of them don't come from Saudi Arabia, according to a new report from the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS). According to a piece in The Guardian, this means the US and Iraq "feed the myth" that foreign fighters are the backbone of the insurgency. While the foreign fighters may stoke the incurgency flames, they only comprise only about 4 to 10 percent of the estimated 30,000 insurgents.

Link

Pam thats a start in the right direction with them asking about the status of Iraq, thanks for the link

Evening, peeps. Just cruising thru on my way to the Yankee game. I see my fellow NY stater Terry was or is here. The baby must have been born by now, right? Girl or boy and did he/she get a "T" name?

In the wake of Katrina, the President is booed by the media, the polls ... and the Republicans.

George W. Bush, who is presently spending his time along the Gulf of Mexico (he expects to go to Texas today), now has to fight on two fronts: Katrina and Rita. "The United States is prepared for the worst," he declared yesterday. And he himself first of all. For he must confront some strong political precipitation. On the left, displeasure grows, passing from Level 1 to Level 5 on the scale of aggravation. After having been ostracized in the name of patriotism, the anti-Iraq war movement now enjoys a field day. In the polls, the majority of Americans desire a quick withdrawal from Iraq, the only way to finance reparations for hurricane damage. Saturday, a new anti-Bush demonstration was organized on the Mall, in the center of Washington. The demonstration's slogan: "From Iraq to New Orleans, money for people's needs, not the war machine!"

Link

Posted by PamB on September 23, 2005 at 06:41 PM

PamB, I got a e-mail from the DNC that answers that, but i was trying to find it linked on the blog somewhere so as not to need to post the whole thing. Can't find it though, so here's part of it.

A few weeks ago more than 100,000 of us filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for key documents on Supreme Court nominee John Roberts. This week, just before the legal deadline for a response, the Justice Department formally brushed aside the public interest and refused to release the documents.

Senate Democrats waited for the Bush Administration to come clean about Roberts's record -- the administration chose not to. During the hearings, they asked Roberts serious, precise questions about his record and his views -- but Roberts dodged question after question.

Our Senate Leader, Harry Reid, is right: there are simply too many questions left unanswered. John Roberts, and the sham process that has accompanied his nomination, does not deserve our support.

But it is obvious that the Republican-controlled Senate will confirm John Roberts. Some people even say that it's useless for us to speak out against him. They say we're wasting our time.

But how will we win any battle if we don't stand up for what we believe and speak the truth? More importantly, how will Americans know what to expect from a Democratic Congress and Democratic president if we don't fight for our values at every opportunity?

Dear Dr. Dean,
I voted for you in the Arizona Democratic presidential primary. I was also thrilled when you became party chairman because you want Democrats to be Democrats again.
With this in mind, I hope you look into what is happening in Flagstaff, AZ. By a four to three vote, the City Council in this overwhelmingly Democratic community passed on first reading an anti-camping law that creates fines and jail terms for people -- including the homeless -- who sleep outside.
Sadly, Democrats cast three of the four votes backing this measure, which is slated to get a final reading on Oct. 4.
I'm particularly concerned by the vote of Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper, who votes progressively on environmental issues. After speaking with her by phone, I sent her an e-mail asking her to abstain from voting on issues affecting homeless people until the community decides whether it wants to create a detox center and shelter to offer homeless folks alternatives to the street or jail. I haven't gotten a response.
Surely anold-fashioned Democrat can delay casting the deciding vote on such a controversial measure until Flagstaff finalizes plans in connection with a detox center and homeless shelter.
Steve Schneider,
flagstaffpinetrees@yahoo.com

The ignorant idiot is STILL trying to link Iraq Invasion with 9/11 !!!!

With opponents of the war in Iraq planning a major protest in Washington this weekend, the president acknowledged that there were differences of opinion about Iraq and that he knew that many people believed the only way to curtail the violence in Iraq was to bring home American forces.

"I recognize their good intentions, but their position is wrong," the president said. "Withdrawing our troops would make the world more dangerous."

Mr. Bush said that "to leave Iraq now would be to repeat the costly mistakes of the past that led to the attacks of September the 11th, 2001."

Link

That isn't the answer, the answer is to go back to what we were founded upon, the worker, the average Joe and Jane

Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 06:29 PM

Hey I jumped ahead of my reading to comment on this:

That theory was fine in 1955, imo, the avg JOE/Jane is now that guy working behind the counter of McDonalds for 6 bucks an hour verses that JOE/Jane working at the factory for 15+ an hour.

There really is no middle class anymore.

I only see Poor, Moderately Poor, lower class, upper class and the Wealthy!

Something needs to happen to smooth that out. The jump is getting way too hard to make. (jmo) And way too easy to lose!

Terry said that he was staying home this weekend because of the new baby and his mother's 102nd birthday on monday, He didn't mention a sex or name sorry Cyn

Dear Dr. Dean,
I voted for you in the Arizona Democratic presidential primary. I was also thrilled when you became party chairman because you want Democrats to be Democrats again.
With this in mind, I hope you look into what is happening in Flagstaff, AZ. By a four to three vote, the City Council in this overwhelmingly Democratic community passed on first reading an anti-camping law that creates fines and jail terms for people -- including the homeless -- who sleep outside.
Sadly, Democrats cast three of the four votes backing this measure, which is slated to get a final reading on Oct. 4.
I'm particularly concerned by the vote of Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper, who votes progressively on environmental issues. After speaking with her by phone, I sent her an e-mail asking her to abstain from voting on issues affecting homeless people until the community decides whether it wants to create a detox center and shelter to offer homeless folks alternatives to the street or jail. I haven't gotten a response.
Surely anold-fashioned Democrat can delay casting the deciding vote on such a controversial measure until Flagstaff finalizes plans in connection with a detox center and homeless shelter.
Steve Schneider,
flagstaffpinetrees@yahoo.com

Thanks, MoJo. 102nd birthday - Bless her!

You're right Dawnelle, but I put the average Joe/Jane with your McDonald's people, they are whats left of the middle class, they are the lower Middle Class, or poor. They struggle day to day just to make ends meet. I would struggle to say we still have a Upper Middle, middle, and lower middle class, then it really jumps to rich and filthy rich

by me
Filthy Rich -1 mil or more
Rich 100,000+
Uppermiddle Class 60-80,000
Middle Class 40-60,000
Lower Middle Class 25-40,000
Lower Class 10-15,000
Poor 10,000-

I know Cyn, I couldn't get over 102, and he said she still had her full facilities!

well hears the problem..at election time the rep say the dem want gay marriage..the dems start back...why dont the dems say,,if a million men get married that means 2 million free woman,,and turn to the problems with america,,war unemployment..poverty..why get caught up in the rep diversion...headlines from usa today...AMERICANS BETTER EDUCATED THAN EVER....POVERTY UP 17% wonder why...congress having the fbi investigate child pornagrophy on internet...poll shows 8 out of ten children beinging sexually molested in school by 12 grade..every week on news we hear of a new case..jay leno tells jokes about it every night..these are the issues that americans care about...and the democrats run from

sawmiller

Right, They need to say, what they do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business, we don't ask if you play doctor with your wife! and stick to the real issues, war, poverty, education, jobs, etc

I remember when LBJ gave his speech on TV announcing the War on Poverty. Mid 60's I believe. Forty years. That's a long war. Are we winning yet? If not, why not? Look at New Orleans. People are dead because they were poor and couldn't escape. That's been Democratic territory for years. Why are we stuck ? People want solutions - Not more of the same.

I don't have the answer. Wish I did.

Posted by Domingo on September 23, 2005 at 05:06 PM

It is in Saudi Arabia's best interest if we stay in Iraq. They will remain the oil superpower and they will watch with hidden glee America's continued slide into a has-been, 3rd world country that can't afford to take care of their own. Posted by BlueinIdaho on September 23, 2005 at 05:10 PM

Oil is not what Saudi Arabia's interest is in Iraq. It's a religious civil war on par with the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. Saudi Arabia wants to keep Iraq under Sunni control, that's why their country's fighters are going in there to kill Shias. There have been reports that British and American forces have been dressing up like Saudis to plant car bombs and kill Shias too.

Why are we stuck ? People want solutions - Not more of the same.

Republican people don't want solutions. They think it went to far and they want to roll it all back.

This is how "moron" keeps us safe.

New Orleans Deals With New Round of Floods

NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Rita's wind and rain breached two of New Orleans' battered levees Friday and sent water gushing into already-devastated neighborhoods just days after they had been pumped dry.

Yahoo News

(probably a repeat)

Sweet Victory: Cities Push for Pullout

~snip~

But, as tens of thousands of citizens are set to converge on the Mall this weekend for what could be the largest US protest yet against the Iraq war, and with some of America's largest cities having passed resolutions calling for a pullout, ignoring the public may no longer be politically tenable.

Last week, the Chicago City Council voted 29 to 9 to become the largest US city to pass the "Bring Them Home Now" resolution. The Windy City joins Philadelphia, San Francisco, and more than fifty other municipalities that have called for withdrawal.

Another incompetent Bush crony hack bites the dust.

FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford Resigns

His three-year tenure at FDA was marked by increasing criticism and a particularly rocky final 12 months. The painkiller Vioxx was pulled off the market for safety problems, FDA was embarrassed last fall when its British counterparts shut down a supplier of U.S. flu vaccine for tainted shots, and over the summer recalls of malfunctioning heart devices mounted.

Finally last month, morale at the agency plummeted when Crawford indefinitely postponed nonprescription sales of emergency contraception over the objections of staff scientists who had declared the pill safe. FDA's women's health chief resigned in protest.

Yahoo News

Dumping of Homeless Suspected Downtown

Police captain says he witnessed the long- rumored act. Sheriff defends his deputies.

For decades, it's been an enduring urban tale about downtown Los Angeles, often talked about but never proved: Police departments wanting to get rid of society's lost and neglected — the homeless, mentally ill and criminals — simply drove through downtown and dumped them in skid row.

But on Tuesday, evidence landed in the lap of the person who most needed it: Capt. Andrew Smith, commanding officer of the Los Angeles Police Department's Central Division.

Smith said he was out on patrol with his partner about 10 a.m. Tuesday when he noticed a Los Angeles County sheriff's car driving down 6th Street.

The cruiser, he said, turned south on San Pedro, then west on 7th Street to San Julian Street. There, Smith watched in disbelief as two deputies "pulled over, took a guy in handcuffs out of the car. They took off the cuffs and handed him a bag," Smith said.

LA Times

ahahaha, the rats are jumping off the ship!!!

Despite the official government line that Britain's 8,500 servicemen and women would stay in Iraq "as long as necessary", Blair had been studying plans for a phased withdrawal, reports said.

The prime minister had "locked himself away" in the government country retreat at Chequers to ponder the plans in which aides suggested a "wholesale review designed to speed up withdrawal".

Link

If you want to see the true face of war, go to the amateur porn Web site NowThatsFuckedUp.com. For almost a year, American soldiers stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been taking photographs of dead bodies, many of them horribly mutilated or blown to pieces, and sending them to Web site administrator Chris Wilson. In return for letting him post these images, Wilson gives the soldiers free access to his site. American soldiers have been using the pictures of disfigured Iraqi corpses as currency to buy pornography.

Link

How do you create a "terrorist haven"? By creating a "failed state". That's what moron Junior has done. Taken a working state and turned it into a failed state. Way to go, you moron! You just made us "less safe".

Let your voice be heard -- check out our list, below, of state-by-state anti-war events to support this weekend.
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/25880/ Posted by KevinSchmidtVA on September 23, 2005 at 06:25 PM

It sure would be welcome for some of the Democratic "leaders" to join us. I guess I'm waiting for pigs to fly, huh?

Top Democrats won't attend anti-war rally in Washington

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - As the anti-war movement arrives in Washington this weekend, many top Democrats are leaving.

Nationally known Democratic war critics, including Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, and Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, Russell Feingold of Wisconsin and John Kerry of Massachusetts, won't attend what sponsors say will be a big anti-war rally Saturday in Washington.

The only Democratic officeholders who plan to address the rally are Reps. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia and John Conyers of Michigan.

Today's leading Democrats head a party divided over the war, and many leaders are wary of standing with anti-war activists, who represent much of the party's base. The divide between anti-war activists and Democratic leaders underscores a challenge the party faces in the 2006 congressional elections and beyond. Some activists say that Democrats such as Clinton and Kerry who criticize the war but refuse to demand a timetable for withdrawal are effectively supporting the status quo - and may not merit future support.

well i may not have a solution to all poverty,,but it would generate enough revenue to pay for new orleans..and maybe the national debt..with out raising taxes....now what is the core cause of poverty..and illegal immigration..its called TEMPORARY LABOR,,it pays no taxs.no social security..no workmans comp.or unemployment tax..today allmost all business take advantage of this break..if a business has a high employe turn over..its insurance rates go up..not so using temporary labor..fail drug test loss 12hr job next day come back as temporary labor at minimum wage,,temporay labor often holds taxes from check.and pockets money..a lot of people work for years on same job,,yet it temporary labor..and all building contractors use the community kitchen as a labor pool..pay 30 a day..today i would guess 90% of construction workers are temporary workers paid cash..lets see if i hire you on a pay roll,,,and paid you 5.50 a hour..220 a week..it cost you 30 social security..my cost 30 social security..10 worker comp/and paper work..plus liability..so wouldnt it be cheaper to just give you 6 cash..and not face liability...the goverment is losing millions every week in taxs..employees have no protection..and are paid wages which create the poverty..today we have thousands of illegal immigrants making 30 a day..thats big money when converted into mexican money...americans have to live on the 30 in america...there is no way americans can compete

Good Evening Everyone! Is anyone still around or did sawmiller cause the blog to implode?

Hi Kristen!

Hope everything is okay????

Hi Marc! I'm doing my best to keep things moving forward...sorry I've been so quiet over the last few weeks. It's been a bit of a tough road for us but things will turn around and get better.

QUOTE FROM George W. Bush THIS WEEK:

"Some Americans want us to withdraw our troops so that we can escape the violence," Bush said. "I recognize their good intentions, but their position is WRONG. Withdrawing our troops would make the world more dangerous and make America less safe."

IS ANYONE ELSE OFFENDED BY BEING TOLD BY BUSH THAT "THEIR POSITION IS WRONG", WHEN THE PERSON SAYING THAT (G.W. BUSH) IS THE VERY SAME PERSON WHO HAS BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING RE: THIS IRAQ FIASCO, FROM THE PRESENCE OF WMD, WHICH WAS THE ALLEGED REASON FOR INVADING IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE, TO THE STRENGTH OF THE INSURGENCY, TO THINKING THAT "BRING 'EM ON" IS THE RIGHT THING TO SAY TO THE WORLD!

According to CNN/USA Today, most Americans don't think the Iraq War is winnable. Seems like nobody trusts POTUS anymore.

Poll: Can the U.S. Win In Iraq?

Kristen on September 23, 2005 at 08:32 PM:

I understand better than you might realize. You have email that goes into it.

I have to run, but call if you need a sympathetic ear, or if you want someone to visit as a change.

For all the others on the blog, HI! Its been a very busy day, so no posting for me (except these two).

Have a great weekend, and for those heading to DC... wish I were close enough to join you, but its a tad too far from here in Seattle!

Doesn't look like the link is working. But I've set up a poll on my Web site, middleamericachronicle.blogspot.com

Feel free to stop by and vote...

Personally, the war is winnable, but we need help at nation building. There's no shame in admitting that it's not something America does well.

"There are a number of diaries recently expressing shock at various Democrats announced votes on the Roberts confirmation (Feingold "Yes", Hillary "No", for instance). So far, I haven't seen any that are particularly surprising.

To figure out how people are going to come down, you simply need to look at several factors. . .

Any Democrat considering a run for President in 2008 is going to vote "No". No one wants the next Howard Dean nipping at their heels.

Any Democrat seriously considering leading a filibuster of the next nominee and planning to keep the gang of fourteen on board is going to vote "Yes". Voting "No" on Roberts would allow, in fact almost require, the Republican G14 members to break ranks under pressure ("Come on, de Wine, this guy even voted "No" on Roberts!"). Conversely, voting "Yes" on Roberts strengthens the Democrat's argument with the seven Republicans who will matter ("Listen guys, I'm reasonable, I even voted for Roberts. But Judge Hitler really is an exceptional circumstance!").

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/22/214715/286

heading out.

may bbl, have to pack for a trip inmorning.

middleamerica...there isn't any part of the UN that is going to step in to help us out in Iraq. After Bush has shown is complete lack of respect and pure contempt for them most of these countries leaders are ready to let him finally get what he deserves the shame of his failures.

Not to mention that at this point these nations have far more respect for their citizens and soldiers and will not put them in harms way for Bush's lies...it is too bad our Democrat leadership doesn't stand up to this liar in chief.

Unfortunately, many more will suffer before Bush ever admits that he is an incompetent liar that only got ahead because of his family name and not on his own merit and accomplishments.

Posted by c_at_l_bob on September 23, 2005 at 07:57 PM

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The Democrats in Congress are missing such an amazing opportunity tomorrow in D.C., it is beyond belief. It's like Martin Luther King not showing up for his "I Have A Dream" speech. Their absence and silence roars with cowardly compliance to their Neoconfederate Fascist Rethug Masters.

I am particularly disappointed that Howard Dean also choose to run with his tail between his legs from such a historic event. How is he going to lead by example and get the Democrats to grow spines if he too does an invertebrate imitation? This is a terrible mistake for him to make by not showing up tomorrow.

I am beginning to wonder what the point is of the DNC if they refuse to show up and support Cindy Sheehan and her Peace Gathering tomorrow. This is a no brainer with two thirds of America in support of Cindy's efforts to end the bogus Iraqi war.

Well DNC, what the hell are you waiting for? This is your moment to take the lead handed to you on a silver platter by Cindy Sheehan, and you are blowing it big time!

Either lead, follow or get out of the way. By choosing more silence, you are continuing to create a huge vacuum that is continuing to be filled by more Rethugs.

And don't give me that scheduling conflict crap. You knew about tomorrow for two months! The only scheduling conflict is for you guys to finally become real Democrats instead of remaining spineless DINOs bullied by the Rethugs.

Calling Ralph Nader...

just a thought about temporary labor..do you know.if the construction workers in new orleans,,was paid 12hr,,most will work 60hr per week..the best i can estimate the goverment would take in 250,000 per week in social securty taxs..and 200,000 in income tax..but remember most of these workers will be temporary workers at 30 a day,,and the bosses will cover the labor cost,as material cost,,and very little taxes will be paid..and the workers will be as poor as ever..and the insurance companies will be paying the contractor..well above the 12hr i mentioned..thats extra money in the contractors pocket..when i was doing construction i made 15hr the insurance company was paying the boss 24hr for my labor..all these insurance estimates will include top labor rates,,,and be done for 30 a day

and a little simple math ,will show where the goverment would take enough taxes, from these construction workers to build new orleans, in less time than the workers could rebuild the city..just take my numbers to any accountant..by the time new orleans was rebuilt the goverment would be turning a profit..so low wages is the problem

They all make quite a lot, like the electricians, they make anywhere from 1000-2000 a week, are placed in hotels and fed for free at good restaurants and steak houses, breakfasted and etc. They work from 12 to 36 hours in a row on shifts and work as long as needed. In somecases they can make 10,000 a month!

Sawmiller, you need to take a break and read up on what is really happening down there.

Trickling Up

So what has President Bush done to deal with this failure of the national economy to provide most people with a living wage and basic benefits, and the desperate need of Gulf Coast people for jobs and income? He has lowered wage standards. In New Orleans, he suspended the Davis-Bacon laws that require federal contractors to pay at least the area’s prevailing wages and benefits. And nationwide, he has failed to hike the minimum wage, which now stands at a miserable $5.15 per hour. If it had merely kept up with inflation, it would be at $7 today.

hello democrats!!
I got thrown off the DFA blog. They told me I'd find HOWARD DEAN here!! Where is he?

I was hoping HOWARD would be in washington to speak at the protest. He is the head of the party. He was against the war from the start. He deserves to be there and I deserve to see him there. He doesn't have to scream again...just show his face.

I just joined KOS this wek. I'm getting around.

I just can't figure out how to go back and forth without leaving one blog. I might be back. Y'all tell HOWARD I'm looking for him please.
check out my art work.
george bush has made me go mad.

Hi Sadie! Good to see your here!

I got kicked off too! Several times. Each time it was because I went up against Robert the Republican talking points parrot. Strange how he never seems to get kicked off even though some of his posts are highly insulting and of course out right lies.

They should just rename DFA as "Robert's Republican Rants", and be done with it.

thats what i am saying the wages in new orleans are to low..these contractors will bring in cheap labor and take advantage of existing labor..yes some electric workers are making money..but these are workers who are ligimate workers for ele.companies,,not the building contractors who i am referring to who will do most of the work in rebuilding the city...i worked in hurricane hugo a few years ago..even came to tn to pick up cheap labor..if i was younger and not so lazy,,i would take my dump truck and backhoe and go south,,and pick up more money than a worker could in a life time

sawmiller. There's no electricians down in New Orleans making making 10,000 a month. That's just more Flush Limpballs style Republican lies.

hey guys, never be able to catch up since the last time i've read, but i'm blogging from my hotel room in d.c. tomorrow morning i'm going to the ellipse at the white house for the rally and march. here's a plea for help so that the rally and speakers can be covered on cspan:

Support the Massive Unity Rally and March Against the War
We Can Reach Millions - With Your Help
Help us Broadcast Tomorrow's Rally Live on National TV

On Saturday all the major antiwar groups will come together for the massive rally at the White House and march, but it is the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition that has the full responsibility for the costs of the stage, sound, and setup at the joint rally, where the major speakers will appear.

Please help A.N.S.W.E.R. meet these large expenses by
clicking here to donate.

Tomorrow morning more than 100,000 people will surround the White House, filling the Ellipse for the huge rally followed by the massive march right on Pennsylvania Avenue and then on to the FBI and Justice Department. We have already begun setting up outside the White House and a huge debt of gratitude is owed to all the A.N.S.W.E.R. volunteers who have been working around the clock, and won't stop until after the last buses have left and the last truck is loaded.

We really need your help right now. All the major antiwar groups are coming together for this action at the White House, but only one organization, the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, has the financial responsibility for the powerful unity rally - for the stage, sound and setup. Now we have the opportunity to have this massive outpouring broadcast to millions - if you can help!

We have learned that C-SPAN is planning to cover this incredible assembly of opposition to the war. They will broadcast to millions - but there's a catch. The government is restricting C-SPAN's access on one side of our site, and their satellite trucks, which provide the live feed, are now only authorized to park much farther away.

In order for C-SPAN to have a live feed of the rally, we have to rent cable ramps as well as hundreds of feet of additional cable. This will cost many thousands of dollars, on top of the tens of thousands of dollars that we are having to spend for the joint rally stage and sound to reach the huge number of people assembling, for the thousands of placards, hundreds of thousands of flyers, port-a-johns, the buses, banners, flags and everything else that it takes to make a demonstration successful.

Please take a moment to make a critical tax deductible donation now by going to our secure server. You can also write a check made out to A.N.S.W.E.R. at: 611 Pennsylvania Ave. SE, #430
Washington, D.C. 20003-4303.

Your donation will ensure also that the message of Saturday resounds well past the 24th and that we can build on this momentum to take the next steps to end the war and fight for justice.

Please make the most generous contribution you can right now - it will make a difference! If you cannot come to the demonstration but want to help make it successful, your contribution will help all those who are out there on Saturday have our message heard!
Click here to donate.

Build the movement,

Brian Becker
National Coordinator, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition

(Sorry for the length this came in email form.)

Hope everyone is well especially anyone in the way of Rita. Hope to talk more later. Hugs all.

Dear Dr. Dean,
I voted for you in the Arizona Democratic presidential primary. I was also thrilled when you became party chairman because you want Democrats to be Democrats again.
With this in mind, I hope you look into what is happening in Flagstaff, AZ. By a four to three vote, the City Council in this overwhelmingly Democratic community passed on first reading an anti-camping law that creates fines and jail terms for people -- including the homeless -- who sleep outside.
Sadly, Democrats cast three of the four votes backing this measure, which is slated to get a final reading on Oct. 4.
I'm particularly concerned by the vote of Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper, who votes progressively on environmental issues. After speaking with her by phone, I sent her an e-mail asking her to abstain from voting on issues affecting homeless people until the community decides whether it wants to create a detox center and shelter to offer homeless folks alternatives to the street or jail. I haven't gotten a response.
Surely anold-fashioned Democrat can delay casting the deciding vote on such a controversial measure until Flagstaff finalizes plans in connection with a detox center and homeless shelter.
Steve Schneider,
flagstaffpinetrees@yahoo.com

Republicans are failing to do anything about price gauging by oil companies. The Republicans do not care to solve the gas price problem their only solution is to get rid of gas tax which does not solve the gauging problem. Their needs to be more laws and caps on gas compaines not tax breaks. This is ridiculous. The Republicans only care about corporations and tommorow is the huge rally in Washington, DC to get congress to bring our troops home safely.

Dear Dr. Dean,
I voted for you in the Arizona Democratic presidential primary. I was also thrilled when you became party chairman because you want Democrats to be Democrats again.
With this in mind, I hope you look into what is happening in Flagstaff, AZ. By a four to three vote, the City Council in this overwhelmingly Democratic community passed on first reading an anti-camping law that creates fines and jail terms for people -- including the homeless -- who sleep outside.
Sadly, Democrats cast three of the four votes backing this measure, which is slated to get a final reading on Oct. 4.
I'm particularly concerned by the vote of Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper, who votes progressively on environmental issues. After speaking with her by phone, I sent her an e-mail asking her to abstain from voting on issues affecting homeless people until the community decides whether it wants to create a detox center and shelter to offer homeless folks alternatives to the street or jail. I haven't gotten a response.
Surely anold-fashioned Democrat can delay casting the deciding vote on such a controversial measure until Flagstaff finalizes plans in connection with a detox center and homeless shelter.
Steve Schneider,
flagstaffpinetrees@yahoo.com

Overwhelmingly Democratic city of Flagstaff, AZ., will vote on anti-camping law on Oct. 4. If passed, can fine and jail people -- including homeless. Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper is potential swing vote as proposed measure passed first reading in Sept. on four to three vote. Cooper has been asked to abstain until city gets detox center and homeless shelter up as alternative to street for homeless.

Check out Arizona Daily Sun and Flagstaff City home page for info and contact info.

Dear Dr. Dean,
I voted for you in the Arizona Democratic presidential primary. I was also thrilled when you became party chairman because you want Democrats to be Democrats again.
With this in mind, I hope you look into what is happening in Flagstaff, AZ. By a four to three vote, the City Council in this overwhelmingly Democratic community passed on first reading an anti-camping law that creates fines and jail terms for people -- including the homeless -- who sleep outside.
Sadly, Democrats cast three of the four votes backing this measure, which is slated to get a final reading on Oct. 4.
I'm particularly concerned by the vote of Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper, who votes progressively on environmental issues. After speaking with her by phone, I sent her an e-mail asking her to abstain from voting on issues affecting homeless people until the community decides whether it wants to create a detox center and shelter to offer homeless folks alternatives to the street or jail. I haven't gotten a response.
Surely anold-fashioned Democrat can delay casting the deciding vote on such a controversial measure until Flagstaff finalizes plans in connection with a detox center and homeless shelter.
Steve Schneider,
flagstaffpinetrees@yahoo.com

Flagstaff, Az. dominated City Council may pass law on Oct. 4 threatening fine and/or jail if "anti-camping" or "sleeping" law broken. Vote takes place as city is deciding whether to create detox center and homeless shelter to offer homeless neighbors alternative to street or breaking of anti-camping law.

Six Democrats, one Republican, the mayor, on Flagstaff, AZ., city council, which will vote Oct. 4 on anti-camping ordinance that could fine and/or jail homeless, etc.

Do Democrats believing in fining and/or jailing homeless people for breaking "anti-camping/sleeping" ordinance? If not, let Democrat-dominated Flagstaff, Arizona, City Council know what you think. Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper is potential swing vote as she supported measure in four to three first reading approval of proposed law.

Dear Dr. Dean,
I voted for you in the Arizona Democratic presidential primary. I was also thrilled when you became party chairman because you want Democrats to be Democrats again.
With this in mind, I hope you look into what is happening in Flagstaff, AZ. By a four to three vote, the City Council in this overwhelmingly Democratic community passed on first reading an anti-camping law that creates fines and jail terms for people -- including the homeless -- who sleep outside.
Sadly, Democrats cast three of the four votes backing this measure, which is slated to get a final reading on Oct. 4.
I'm particularly concerned by the vote of Democratic Councilwoman Karen Cooper, who votes progressively on environmental issues. After speaking with her by phone, I sent her an e-mail asking her to abstain from voting on issues affecting homeless people until the community decides whether it wants to create a detox center and shelter to offer homeless folks alternatives to the street or jail. I haven't gotten a response.
Surely anold-fashioned Democrat can delay casting the deciding vote on such a controversial measure until Flagstaff finalizes plans in connection with a detox center and homeless shelter.
Steve Schneider,
flagstaffpinetrees@yahoo.com

{{{Jen}}} I didn't realize you were going to DC...I'll be there with you and everybody else in spirit!! Thank you for being there !!!!

sorry but yes a ele.worker, could work 16 hrs a day 7 days,112 hr per week..at 27 per hr..that would be 3,960 per week.thats 15840 per 4 weeks,,i know most edu. office workers cant under stand this ...but i made close to that amount..runing a backhoe and chainsaw when hugo hit..and even got a 5,000 tip..from a home owner

Yeah, and I remember all the homeless bums who used to sit around the McDonald's in flagstaff telling me about all th millions they "made and lost" before they turned thirty.

Peace to all the Dems tonight

You have to read this to believe it!

Arianna has the goods about Abdul Amir Younes Hussein, the CBS cameraman who has been detained by U.S. forces in Iraq for over five months without a shred of evidence being publicly presented against him...read on

This kind us treatment sounds exactly like the kind a man being held by an insane dictator would receive.

Bush Waives Saudi Trafficking Sanctions

Wednesday to waive any financial sanctions on Saudi Arabia, Washington's closest Arab ally in the war on terrorism, for failing to do enough to stop the modern-day slave trade in prostitutes, child sex workers and forced laborers....read on

Think Progress remembers: Just a year ago, we were told things would be different. President Bush, 7/16/04: Human trafficking is one of the worst offenses against human dignity. Our nation is determined to fight that crime abroad and at home.

by the way a dump truck owner oper, charges 55 per hour,most jobs run 14 to 16 hr days..fuel tags and ins maint,,all cost beside income tax..runs about 10 per hr..if your truck is paid for you will clear over 3,000 per week.most jobs last 4 weeks and you clear 12,000 profft..thats why many truck owners only run when they are making money..when i run my bachhoe i get 40 per hr..thats allmost clear money..my truck and back hoe are paid for,,,and if i dont work them ..they dont cost me nothing just to sit in my yard..i like playing with my saw mill..and sometimes it can make money,,if not i just keep it oiled..but i got to saw tommorw,,lumber sales are booming

Limbaugh falsely attacked AP, Reuters for offering "more updates on Cindy Sheehan than we are getting on the hurricane"

mediamatters

O'Reilly: "I wouldn't be surprised" if a Kerry administration had "abolished" federal Christmas holiday, replaced it with "winter solstice"

mediamatters

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/fox_of_donahue_sheehan_050921a.mov

Good evening fellow Democrats, straight thinkers, truth tellers oh and trolls.. how is everyone doing tonight?

just thinking about all them bums you said told you they made millions,,,reminds me of old man johnson..he is living on social securty..you could call him a bum..40 years ago he owned johnson fright lines..one of the largest trucking comp.in the us..he owened the 76 truck stop off interstate 24 in chatt,,the largest in the area..all the old drivers know who i am talking about..he road around in a limo..and his trucks ran 48 states..today he rents a section 8 apartment..in chatt

1st, sawmiller didn't say the electricians make up to 10,000 a month, I did. Second, they do! When we had all the trouble in the St. Louis/St. Charles/ ILL area back in august we had teams in from all over like southern ILL, Tenn, and Arkansas and they told us so, my brother in law is in construction and his company wants to send them down to New Orleans for the next 3 months to rebuild and they'll come back with 30-50,000, Rush limbaugh-god I hate that man-has nothing to do with it.

Posted by sawmiller on September 23, 2005 at 11:29 PM

I met a guy at the Atlanta Airport a few years ago. He was a homeless man. He held a MENSA card, said he was a former millionare who turned to heroin and crack for thrills. He now collects his Social Security from a P.O. Box and buys drugs with it. He was a great guy. He helped me at the airport, bought me a meal and expected nothing in return. I was in Class A dress uniform (US Army). Told me a lot of things I refused to believe. Now I believe.

Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 11:35 PM

Used to love Rush.. now I think for myself and cannot stand him... you must be listening to the Mike Malloy show.

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/fox_of_donahue_sheehan_050921a.mov

Posted by ThePeaceLovingHeretik on September 23, 2005 at 11:27 PM

Heretic, Donahue cleaned O-lie-ly's clock and now O-lie-ly says he won't allow "radicals" like that on his show anymore. This from the guy who has Man Coulter on every week. He also said he won't let anyone on who calls him names. This from the guy who calls everyone he disagrees with names and yells at them to SHUTUP!

O'Reilly is a dirtball.

We need help! Mike Bloomberg is going to spend 100 million dollars to get re-elected and while he acts at times like a liberal he is a Republican who has endorsed Bush for re-election, given money to anti choice Republicans, has a campaign co-chaired by one of the most anti-union members of Congress Vito Fossella, and has given more money to the NY state Republican committee and national committees than anyone else ever. Please visit www.ferrer2005.com to donate or to volunteer or to email friends who live in NYC in order to get them involved. If we do not win the Mayoralty back Rove and other Republicans will use this to peel off more minority voters to vote for Republicans...

When Donahue called all the members of the Bush admin. "Chickenhawks", O'Reilly yelled, "Not true! I have a nephew that enlisted! You don't know what you're talking about!" Oh, so because O'Reilly has a nephew, Bush-Cheney et al aren't Chickenhawks after all. Uh-huh.

That video kills me every time I watch it, Domingo.
Say thanks to this HERE NOW from your friends at Skippy and Crooks and Liars

Posted by ThePeaceLovingHeretik on September 24, 2005 at 12:07 AM

That video was awesome.. I need another beer to wallow in my sorrows. What an asshole.

flagstaffpinetrees,

I just wanted to say it takes a good bit more to help the homeless that just starting a methadone clinic and a homeless shelter. First, new methadone clinics are hard to start as they are controlled by the DEA as I recall. Under the GOP, they dont care for addicts and getting a license for a new methadone clinic will be hard as pulling hens teeth. Plus finding a M.D. to run it, who is willing to jeapordize his narcotics license will be a big problem. The homeless shelter is not that hard but you either have to build new or convert some old apartment building for housing. Getting money from a GOP controlled government is about a pipe dream for this. Then a huge amount are addicted to alchohol which means treatmenst for this. Another good amount are mentally ill and require psychiatric help. You just cant get them off the street unless a judge will issue a mental hygiene warrant. Then you have to be able to identify them for the warrant and have a known cause of indangerment before they will issue it. I don't know if there's a state hospital near Flagstaff or not, but that would be a huge help. The ones they pick up who have an addiction cant be locked up in jail as they could die from DT's or withdrawal. This means they have to be hospitalized, and most non-state hospitals will only watch them overnight because they wont get paid. This leaves the problem of what will be done with them? Even though your wanting to help the homeless, there's a good bit of extra stuff here you need to understand as I dont want to see you get in over your head. I would make sure the city understands all of this too.

Off to March for Peace!! Be well!

i think he was "responding to visual stimuli" when he sold those stocks. "blind trust" indeed. he is also a LIAR if you read the bold part. who

Frist Knew About Blind Trust Investments

WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., was updated several times about his investments in blind trusts during 2002, the last time two weeks before he publicly denied any knowledge of what was in the accounts, documents show.

The updates included stock transactions involving HCA Inc., the hospital operating company founded by Frist's family.

snip

Frist, asked in a television interview in January 2003 whether he should sell his HCA stock, responded: "Well, I think really for our viewers it should be understood that I put this into a blind trust. So as far as I know, I own no HCA stock"

Frist, referring to his trust and those of his family, also said in the interview, "I have no control. It is illegal right now for me to know what the composition of those trusts are. So I have no idea."

Documents filed with the Senate showed that just two weeks before those comments, the trustee of the senator's trust, M. Kirk Scobey Jr., wrote to Frist that HCA stock was contributed to the trust. It was valued at $15,000 and $50,000.

"I have no control. It is illegal right now for me to know what the composition of those trusts are. So I have no idea."

if it is illegal, then who exactly broke the law, and when can we expect them to be prosecuted?

Paper Trail Urged as E-Voting Fix

Efforts to secure the integrity of electronic-voting machines seemed to get a boost this week, but the debate over the best way to guard against election tampering remained at a fever pitch.

After five months of hearings and deliberations, a high-level election-reform commission led by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker recommended that Congress require electronic-voting machines to produce a voter-verifiable paper audit trail by 2008.

But even while the Commission on Federal Election Reform expressed support for paper trails, it acknowledged that they might not be the best solution to address security concerns with e-voting machines. The commission urged researchers to develop new technologies that could resolve the issues more effectively.

The voter-verifiable paper audit trail, or VVPAT, is a printout of the machine's electronic ballot that voters can examine after they make their selections on the machine. The paper would scroll behind a glass partition, allowing voters to reject the ballot before casting it. Election officials would use the paper to audit machines and conduct recounts.

Daniel Calingaert, the commission's associate director, said the commission's concerns about paper trails don't mean they're the wrong answer for now.

"The deliberations of the commission were focused on the need for voting equipment to ... have a voter-verifiable record generated independently of the machine tally and that is available for recounts and audit," he said. "And looking at the technology that's available today, the voter paper trail met those criteria."

"WASHINGTON - Heading into a midterm election year, Republicans find themselves with not one, but two congressional leaders — Bill Frist in the Senate and Tom DeLay in the House — fending off questions of ethical improprieties.

The news that federal prosecutors and the Securities and Exchange Commission are looking into Frist's sale of stock in HCA Inc., the hospital operating company founded by his family, comes as a criminal investigation continues of Jack Abramoff, a high-powered Republican lobbyist, and his ties to DeLay of Texas.

Less than a week ago, a former White House official was arrested in the Abramoff investigation.

For Republicans, the timing couldn't be worse.

link

mornin {{{Pam}}}

Good morning,

Had about given up on the Roberts thing but Dean's letter spurred me on.

So, I sent this off with the lte tools on this site--to California. Do you know that if you put a zip other than your own in the box, the papers in that area will come up and all you have to do is make sure to edit the address lines to reflect your true residence? Of course, if you send your missive to more than one state, you'll want to uncheck the national media so they don't get duplicates.

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To the editor:

We don't know a lot about Judge Roberts because he hasn't been a judge for very long. But we do know, from his ruling that the captives in Guantanamo have no rights, that in his opinion, the only rights any one of us enjoys are the ones the government allows us to have.
In other words, instead of recognizing that government gets the right to tell us what to do from our consent, Roberts prefers the old system, where kings ruled by divine right, only slightly ammended in letting citizens choose their king.
If some conservatives are upset about the Roberts choice, it's probably because they don't think government should be telling us what to do at all--only what NOT to do, to avoid disturbing the peace.
It's a valid point.

Posted by PamB on September 24, 2005 at 08:14 AM

I realize this is how the story is being reported, but not the mealymouthed verbiage
"fending off questions of ethical improprieties"

What's this going to tell the average Jane or Joe? That the fellow doesn't know how to behave at a tea party?

Then the report not only veers into speculation but touches on guilt by association. So that's going to be read as smear by people who know full well that people aren't responsible for the sins of their associates.
We know that we're dealing with people who get other people to do their dirty work for them, but that doesn't come across in this kind of reporting. So, it might be worth while to counter the story with a letter to the editor. Even if it doesn't get published, it might alert someone to how bias is creeping into their reporting.

Posted by marsh on September 24, 2005 at 07:02 AM

Lying is not a crime, unless you're under oath.

wish I was going to DC to march instead of my mom's to trim her hedges. oh well, we all have important jobs to do.

Bush is in Colorado staying out of the way; Cheney's having his knees done; wonder what Condi's up to?

To download "I'm Takin' My Country Back"

click

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A group of Nashville music industry professionals, calling themselves the Honky Tonkers for Truth, decided it was time that a country song take issue with Presidential policy, (much like Darryl Worley's, Have You Forgotten and Toby Keith's, Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue speak in favor of it). They had no problem finding a hit-songwriter, a professional studio, and top-drawer session players and engineers, all who were willing to donate their talents and services and, to stand up and be counted as country music's "other voice." What they had in a matter of days was, Takin' My Country Back, penned by David Kent.

The Honky Tonkers for Truth are comprised of successful songwriters, publishers, producers, musicians, and attorneys. Even with their combined contacts, the best they could get from the "star" country artists they queried (all self-proclaimed Democrats) was a "maybe" and then, when their managers caught wind of it, "Sorry...and good luck."

Enter, Tony Stampley, one of Nashville's most respected session singers and son of country legend, Joe Stampley. Tony's stellar performance of Takin My Country Back and his willingness, rather, his passion and enthusiasm, to be a part of country music's "other voice" inspired the Honky Tonkers for Truth to take the song directly to the world via radio, the internet, and any other means possible.

Any schoolteachers out there? Does thishappen at your school?

ooops, I meant this

third try...sigh
this, dammit

Posted by monicasmith on September 24, 2005 at 8:40 AM

Thanks! I knew that! Which is probably why I said nothing in my post at 7:02 about breaking the law. I did point out in the next post that Frist himself said..."It is illegal right now for me to know what the composition of those trusts are." If that is a fact and someone did go ahead and tell Frist the composition of those trusts, then the law was broken. Which led me to ask..."if it is illegal, then who exactly broke the law, and when can we expect them to be prosecuted?" Not for lying, but for divulging the composition of a blind trust.

wonder what Condi's up to?

Posted by bb on September 24, 2005 at 08:48 AM

rolling around in her shoe closet?

U.S. troops systematically tortured detainees at Iraqi base, Human Rights Watch alleges

3 in 82nd Airborne Say Beating Iraqi Prisoners Was Routine

Rick, is that at your kids school?

Marsh, hey Buddy! Yup. I'm really hoping that it gets handled quietly. This is a small town, and while I don't care about me...my kids have to go to that school, so I worry about backlash, but I couldn't just do nothing, this is how it starts with this cultish nonsense....

BTW, didn't hear back from you on my last email...

don't know the dates yet. around the last week in November. would love to stagger to the cabin. my sis just moved from clarksville to some place called Bon Aqua. ever heard of it?

LOL, I'd love to hear them pronounce that around here....but, no, never heard of it. That's a nice time of year here, so, cool, contact me and I'll pick ya up if you don't have wheels. Be well.

3 in 82nd Airborne Say Beating Iraqi Prisoners Was Routine

In the newest case, the human rights organization interviewed three soldiers: one sergeant who said he was a guard and acknowledged abusing some prisoners at the direction of military intelligence personnel; another sergeant who was an infantry squad leader who said he had witnessed some detainees' being beaten; and the captain who said he had seen several interrogations and received regular reports from noncommissioned officers on the ill treatment of detainees.

Democrats and everyone else. I have recently become a little upset at how divided things have become. Let's look at things this way. Competition between parties at least keeps us as honest as possible--we need each other.

Let's look at it this way. If you don't like Burger King then you can go to McDonald's, but if you don't like the government then start praying. I think it is important to limit the power of government or they will inevitably try to control us (and our paychecks) as much as possible. Conversely, it is important to set standards on business so they don't screw us too. When National Geographic goes to film, they don't rescue the antelope from the cheetah...let's remember how important competition between everything really is and how much we need different parties to keep things in balance.

Don't hate, just discuss things rationally. The Yale and Harvard guys in the government on both sides are definitely not our friends...they never were.

Democrats and everyone else. I have recently become a little upset at how divided things have become. Let's look at things this way. Competition between parties at least keeps us as honest as possible--we need each other.

Let's look at it this way. If you don't like Burger King then you can go to McDonald's, but if you don't like the government then start praying. I think it is important to limit the power of government or they will inevitably try to control us (and our paychecks) as much as possible. Conversely, it is important to set standards on business so they don't screw us too. When National Geographic goes to film, they don't rescue the antelope from the cheetah...let's remember how important competition between everything really is and how much we need different parties to keep things in balance.

Don't hate, just discuss things rationally. The Yale and Harvard guys in the government on both sides are definitely not our friends...they never were.

Big hat, cattle done run off....

President Struggles to Regain His Pre-Hurricane Swagger

Bluster Boy Bush fizzles out

MARSH i am suprised that a school let a parent in a school..our school has a strict NO PARENTS ALLOWED POLICY..that means in any class room at any time...the principal called all students into the gym and announced ..that any studentwho told their parents..any rumors about school teachers would be punished..a lot of teenage grils were complaining about a teacher

DEFINITION of tn homeless shelter and community kitchen....a place for rich people to pick up cheap labor..give homeless man 30 dollars..shelter gets 10 of his 30..labor pool for the rich,,run buy the rich.to benefit the rich..employment office for 70% of construction workers...while working for a major construction company ..we would pick up as high as 200 per day..many of these people would work every day..

DOYOUREALLYCARE//after reading your post i agree goverment is the problem...but you dont understand ,how corrupt our goverment is..lets say you start a rock quarry..invest all your money..you finaly got 50.000 worth of rock to sell..well a crooked EPA employee will shut you down..then him and his crowd.will sell your rock.and take your quarry...do you know a lot of DOT officers own dump trucks..you never out bid their trucks...when a out of state truck wrecks.a dot officer can keep this truck beside the rd while the investigation goes on for days...while a wrecker which him and his brother owns is paid 125 per hr just to sit..this goes on and on..you try to build house inspecter will try every thing he can to shut you down..while large contractors build unsafe buildings,,this is especially true in home building...dont think about going to court..remember somebody paid for that judges campaign...i have seen building ordinence passed and as soon as the company, i worked for finshed the job..the new ordinence repealed so no one else could build there...if poor man owns land..it is cheap residential land...when bought by rich it becomes prime commerial land...the list of goverment corruption goes on...but americans are blind..or just dont care

A right wing Website, Polipundit is comparing Bill Frist to Martha Stewart for his stock handling.

But it also claims that Frist is responsible for passage of CAFTA, "energy reforms", "lawsuit reforms" and "Medicaid reforms".

Yeah, but has he done anything good as Senate Majority Leader?

PROGRESSIVE VALUES

Paul Hooson,

Whatever you tried to link to, it doesn't work.

|Daniel

I just found that out, Daniel. I must have mistyped part of the code. Here's round two:

PROGRESSIVE VALUES

cspan covering the rally

AWE inspiring!!! Ramsey Clark ROCKS!!

Hi folks. I am here, recuperating.

Good morning, all.

So no child will be left behind...except in Georgia? Why would any governor call off school for hundreds of thousands of children just to save gasoline? Are we that desperate in this country? Have any other Republican governors done the same?

I find is so ironic that he didn't declare a moratorium for priviate school children as well. The rich can burn gas to get their kids to school, but the middle class and poor have to make the sacrifice?

The ignorance and bigotry of these Republican politicans never fails to amaze me. Why do people continue to vote for them? Do they think this is the best they can do? Don't they think they deserve better? Why not?

Why don't we just call off school and work and the whole 21st century till Bush gets his act together? Why don't we ask the Chinese to take our country over and make it work again? --- That's the message we are sending to the rest of the world right now. Don't they care?

Aren't they proud to be Americans anymore? I just don't get it.

Hey Will! Glad to hear you are getting better!

Sending good wishes off to DPD as well!

Hi, Will S. Glad to see you're back on track.

Thanks Dawn! Look at that crowd!

Hi Sandy. Someone suggested that a catheter would be handy while participating in the march, but I don't feel like standing much. I still wish I could be there.

Will - LOL - my walls are shaking I have every tv on in the house and Mom and I are clapping! It's hysterical! LOL

Some of the speakers they chose will be used against the Anti-War movement. I wish they understood that and limited their speakers or the message to "Bush is a jerk. Impeach him and get us out of Iraq." The other messages feed into the bush crime family's hands.

"Democrats and everyone else. I have recently become a little upset at how divided things have become. Let's look at things this way. Competition between parties at least keeps us as honest as possible--we need each other."

Doyoureallycare, so you are a little upset? Sorry to hear that. But if you want competition, why don't you start backing those who want to count all the votes and who want to make the voting machines have a paper validiation?

You don't need us. You need a prayer and go slap in the face so you can snap out of it. Your house is incompetent and corrupt. Clean it up before it drags this country down any further. You voted for them; don't expect us to clean it up for you.

First step in your 12 step recovery program -- Demand that those that have committed crimes be prosecuted. Rove is #1 on that list. He deliberately compromised a whole cell of intelligence agents for political reasons. You call that honest?

What is being said now IS the message!

Will

Yea but it's free speech! Awe inspiring.

Not all sure about the Cuba stuff? but it's still great that cspan is covering it all!

I agree with Smith. The movement for Justice and the movement for Peace must combine!

Will, a lot of us would like to be there. But age and responsibilities make that impossible for most. It's incredible how much energy you get from being with others who are speaking their minds and acting on them. Let's take that into the next election...and do whatever we can from where we are to make things right.

I wonder if Dewey is at the rally?

Make Levees not War!

That was on a woman's shirt.

I saw that Will!! I got my bumper sticker a few days ago! Cool, cool!

Palestinian activists? I thought this was a Get out of Iraq march. (watching C-Span)

They need to focus IMO. What does Israel bashing have to do with this?

Did any of the bloggers here that planned to go to the rally say what they would be wearing?

It's a wrap up Joan. All things come together. One war is the same as the other. And it seems we are involved in them all.

I agree about the focus.

They want to march not stand and listen to endless preaching, I'm afraid to say the crowd has departed to march. oops.

I just checked out Daily Kos. Many are also saying that the rally has been hijacked by various groups that are totally off topic. And that the organizers have let this get out of hand with speeches re: Cuba. Palestine, and other issues. War in Iraq message has been diluted. That's my feeling as well.

Ralph NAder speaking now - that's better.

I wish they had a helicopter-cam! Bring on Nadar.

Is he going to run in 08? (if he still has breath in his body) lol he wants the job more than anyone I can remember? Maybe someone should give him a try.

From this day forth will live the saying " you can't be as bad as W" (my saying)

Yay! Jessica Lang!

I agree Joan.

Hi everyone. Hit and run. Transcript of O'reilly verses Donahue interesting. Now I know I shouldn't listen to Fox news, but how else can you find out what they are up to. Have a great day.

I guess they want this to be an EARTH Rally and I can go for that. As long as it's for Peace!

Oh for goodness sakes - would C-Span please show the march?

There's maybe 100 people still there listening. Where's the march?????

And who booked 347 people to give speeches???

LOL 348 (can't you count girl?)

Yes I believe you're right Dawn. I forgot the Phillipino girls doing Pink Floyd. :) LOL!

Now it's raining . Great.

Joan

indeed! lol

BBL everyone! I have stuff to do. Peace!

Bye Dawn. When you come back, they'll probably still be speech-ing! Ha!

From Kos: what think ye?

ANSWER destroys another progressive movement (4.00 / 9)

Another completely unfocused ANSWER mess destroys another progresive movement just as it was starting to hit the mainstream.

This is what happens when left-wing activists allow to ANSWER to suck all the energy out of our political movements. The press will not cover ANSWER rallies any more. Everyone knows exactly what will happen everytime ANSWER runs a protest. Bait and Switch. ANSWER advertises a protest as supposedly being for one specific cause or purpose, and then most of the event ends up being a completely unfocused generic "any cause on the left side of the spectrum" rant session. For many years now, every time a cause starts gaining any momentum whatsoever in the political mainstream , ANSWER comes along claiming they are setting up a big protest event for that cause. Every single time, ANSWER misappropriates that momentum for it own agenda of promoting a laundry list of far, far, far, far, far, far left extremism. People expend so many resouces getting to these huge ANSWER rallies that they have far fewer resources left to expend on the cause that had been gaining political momentum and that momentum dies.

This time, ANSWER saw Cindy Sheehan's Camp Casey movement growing and saw it was time to steal the spotlight from that onto itself. Sheehan's supporters will expend massive resources to get to DC and find their cause mostly marginalized all day for the standard ANSWER slate of ranters about anything and everything. The press doesn't cover these rallies because ANSWER rallies are uncoverable. You can't write a story lead when the story itself, the protest rally, is so unfocused and aiming in so many different directions that the best writers in the country can't dig a lead out of the chaos. The people that attend expend so many resources in attending that when they realize they were left mostly on the sidelines of the ANSWER agenda, they can't make another attempt because their resources are expended.

The only thing that will be accomplished at the end of the day is ANSWER will have sucked the life out of another progressive political movement just as it was getting it's feet on the ground and starting to go somewhere.

Final speaker? I've been listening for three hours and twenty minutes. Did I miss John Conyers?? Was he at the very beginning? Shoot.

Good Afternoon Democrats!

:)

Re:

Democrats and everyone else. I have recently become a little upset at how divided things have become. Let's look at things this way. Competition between parties at least keeps us as honest as possible--we need each other.

Let's look at it this way. If you don't like Burger King then you can go to McDonald's, but if you don't like the government then start praying. I think it is important to limit the power of government or they will inevitably try to control us (and our paychecks) as much as possible. Conversely, it is important to set standards on business so they don't screw us too. When National Geographic goes to film, they don't rescue the antelope from the cheetah...let's remember how important competition between everything really is and how much we need different parties to keep things in balance.

Don't hate, just discuss things rationally. The Yale and Harvard guys in the government on both sides are definitely not our friends...they never were.

Posted by Doyoureallycare on September 24, 2005 at 10:17 AM

B U L L S H I T !

"I have recently become a little upset at how divided things have become."

I became "a little upset" in 2001. I am far more than "a little upset" today.

Never Forget!

Never Forgive!

George W. Bush Lied!

George W. Bush Has the Blood of 1,912 American Boys on His Hands!

If you voted for him, you do too!

S O C I O P A T H S   D O   N O T   D I S C U S S   T H I N G S   R A T I O N A L L Y

Well, since I was not able to speak at the rally, even though apparently every other citizen and non-citizen was, I would like to state my cause:

FREE CONEY ISLAND!!

I think it's time we gave Coney Island back to the Coneys. We have had it long enough, and its time we end the occupation. All the Coneys deserve their freedom too.

I know I'm ridiculous - three and a half hours of speeches on causes I've never heard of will do that. I'll stop now. bbl

Joan,

I spent about 45 minutes at the rally, and I left with the same feelings you expressed above.

Democrats will not take back our government if we can't get in concert. The three traitors who supported the Roberts nomination are another example. No one will actually punish Feingold, Leahy, and Kohl.

joan, did the wedding start, is it over or did i get in the wrong limo?

you have been out of metro ny for a long time or you would know that the coney's turned out to be incognito cone heads and they all left some years ago for the great ice cream galaxy that contains the remnants of the chubby hubby nebula...

You don't need us. You need a prayer and good slap in the face so you can snap out of it. Your house is incompetent and corrupt. Clean it up before it drags this country down any further. You voted for them; don't expect us to clean it up for you. Posted by SandyH on September 24, 2005 at 01:11 PM

Well said Sandy. Way to go!

i hear people talking about the ANSWER protesters in dc,,,,well it sounds like a kerry-edwards ,,,presidential campaign...i did think they ran just to throw the election,,,but now i am not sure,,,maybe the democrats have became that disorganized...this party dont get rid of the fools,,and get leadership..they might as well fade away..so americans have to pay to watch comedy

Hey sawmiller, so how many millions have you made? Just think how many more millions you can make if you work 32 hours a day instead of "only" 16.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." -Ann Coulter

itstheoilstupid- I hope this also means unborn babies...Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 03:36 PM

Yep, let us hope.

Lannan speaker delayed in Canada

U.S. immigration officials refused Tuesday to allow Robert Fisk, longtime Middle East correspondent for the London newspaper, The Independent, to board a plane from Toronto to Denver. Fisk was on his way to Santa Fe for a sold-out appearance in the Lannan Foundation’s readings-and-conversations series Wednesday night.

According to Christie Mazuera Davis, a Lannan program officer, Fisk was told that his papers were not in order.

Davis made last-minute arrangements Wednesday for Amy Goodman, host of Pacifica Radio’s daily news show, Democracy Now!, to interview Fisk via satellite from a television station in Toronto. He appeared on a large screen onstage at the Lensic Performing Arts Center.

The controversial British journalist, who is based in Beirut, filed many eyewitness reports on the U.S. invasion of Iraq and criticized Western reporters for “hotel journalism ,” a phrase he coined to describe correspondents who covered the war from heavily fortified hotel suites and offices.

freenewmexican

And I'm glad that we were relentless in Germany and elsewhere, just as we should be in Iraq today... Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 04:35 PM

Uh-huh, you really "do" care about the babies, don't you? Sure you do sport.

sawmiller is to old..48..i used to work at lest 12hr every day,,16some days,,i dont owe any money..my land my house my car my equ.is all paid for..i only work about a total of 90 days a year...you see i dont got that greed bug,,that most people do,,i fish hunt or just lay around..and god willing my boys will never have to work for anybody,,as a slave,,they allready see ..why work when you can let another man work..if they work they are limted by the hours in a day,,if they work others there income is unlimted..i took me 30 years to learn this

The internationally renowned correspodent for The Independent -- the great British journalist Robert Fisk -- has been banned from entering the United States. Fisk has been covering war zones for decades, but is above all known for his incisive reporting from the Middle East for more than 20 years. His critical coverage of the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq, and the continuing occupation that has followed it, has repeatedly exposed U.S. and British government disinformation campaigns. He also has exposed how the bulk of the press reports from Iraq have been "hotel journalism" -- a phrase Fisk coined.

www.zmag.org

americanpatriot

If youcall a skunk a rose does it make it smell better?

you can thank one those soldiers that no mustard gas was dropped on your house so you have the ability to write on this blog. Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 04:35 PM

Just hows that hunt for that "mustard gas" and other WMDs going anyway, sport?

Or does a chicken hawk squeel like a stuck pig when you show him his true colors?

I am so tired of hearing the same ol song and dance of the fear mongers...maybe even this unread, uneducated, bone headed bunch of raggady assed Southern Repuglikans will wise up to the pure BS they are being fed. Oh well, you can dream.

You're right Dawnelle, but I put the average Joe/Jane with your McDonald's people, they are whats left of the middle class, they are the lower Middle Class, or poor. They struggle day to day just to make ends meet. I would struggle to say we still have a Upper Middle, middle, and lower middle class, then it really jumps to rich and filthy rich
by me
Filthy Rich -1 mil or more
Rich 100,000+
Uppermiddle Class 60-80,000
Middle Class 40-60,000
Lower Middle Class 25-40,000
Lower Class 10-15,000
Poor 10,000-
Posted by MoJoeH on September 23, 2005 at 07:04 PM

Those are some seriously delusional REPUBLICAN MINDSET numbers there.

I can get in my car right now and drive in a 5 mile circle and pass the "houses", "apartments" and government projects of WELL OVER 20,000 EXTREMELY POOR PEOPLE WITH NO HOPE!

I have just stated an absolute fact, believe it or not! I don't care. I am in Athens, Ohio- the heart of Appalachia- 45 minutes from the West Virginia border and incidentally, OHIO & WEST VIRGINIA were red states in 2004 ONLY BECAUSE OF BLATANT OUTRIGHT VOTE FRAUD!

We voted for Kerry/Edwards in record numbers and our county was the only one that went blue! BULLSHIT X INFINITY!

And I'm glad that we were relentless in Germany and elsewhere, just as we should be in Iraq today Posted by americanpatriot

Two wounded patients who were being transferred to an other hospital, when their ambulance allegedly came under attack from U.S. tanks.

just as we should be in Iraq today Posted by americanpatriot

incidentally, OHIO & WEST VIRGINIA were red states in 2004 ONLY BECAUSE OF BLATANT OUTRIGHT VOTE FRAUD! Posted by Chuck on September 24, 2005 at 04:56 PM

Chuck, in West Virginia they told them the Democrats were going to take away all their bibles and guns and force them all to be gay. If that ain't fraud, I don't what is.

just a thought about the war,,,these men volunteered...they agreed to kill for money..thats the job they chose,,if i pay a man to stack lumber ,,thats what he is paid to do...i really believe the war is just a way for rich men to get richer,,,and bush should not of been allowed to use the tax payers miltary ..as his own private army..but now our boys are there they must receive our support...and we can only hope they come back alive...the best way to get them home is to investigate 911..and jail the americans who was in on it..motive and opertunity...if the people who committed the crime .was trying to hurt our economy .why did they not hit our oil refinerys..they had to be smart enough to know that, the world trade center was not vital to our economy..stop being nieve and look at the facts

And I'm glad that we were relentless in Germany and elsewhere, just as we should be in Iraq today Posted by americanpatriot Oh, and did I tell ya I care so much about the babies?

And I'm glad that we were relentless Posted by americanpatriot

How that hunt for that mustard gas of yours going big guy?

And I'm glad that we were relentless in Germany and elsewhere, just as we should be in Iraq today Posted by americanpatriot

It's nice to able to talk like a tough guy while you hide inside your home.

If you were REALLY concerned about our troops, you would be smart enough to know that Abuse of Muslims in Guantanamo and Abu Grahib only ENRAGES the insurgency to strike and kill more and more of our men. You would also have your fat butt over there, instead of just being an idiot !
Posted by PamB on September 19, 2005 at 01:12 PM

Chuck, in West Virginia they told them the Democrats were going to take away all their bibles and guns and force them all to be gay. If that ain't fraud, I don't what is.

Posted by Domingo on September 24, 2005 at 05:03 PM

Nan, that's just dumb ass voters. ;\

Where's mj when you need a good & hard?

Political site of yesterday

Better late than never.

Political site from Thursday

Todays Picture

Miles to go & all that jazz...Time to catch up on the news and read chapter 3 in writing.

Enjoy the afternoon!

And I'm glad that we were relentless in Germany and elsewhere, just as we should be in Iraq today Posted by americanpatriot Oh, and did I ever tell ya how much I care about the babies?

This man was with his pregnant wife and another pregnant woman in a ambulance going to the hospital. When they arrive at a checkpoint, American soldiers shot at the ambulance.

He went out of the vehicle and was wounded on his legs. At that time, Americans shot until the ambulance took fire with the two pregnant wives inside.

The man tried to escape but they continued to shoot at him. He received a bullet in his hand.
Afterwards, two civilians tried to help him but the Americans shot at them also.

Two hours later he was rescue him by bringing him to the hospital. When he arrived, it was to late, he had lost his wife, his new born child and his both legs.

I'm glad that we were relentless Posted by americanpatriot

Where'd you go Mister er, americanpatriot? Still looking for all that mustard gas? Or should I call you Mister American Chickenhawk Blow Hard?

Hi you all!

I am just back from the anti-war march in DC...and it was awesome. Lots of sane-minded folks to mingle with and show our utter displeasure and disgust with this war. Took lots of pictures and will try to post a link later for those interested. I am off to get some rest now since I've to wake up early to drive to NY...happy blogging, and a wonderful weekend to you all! :)

Trish,
Were any of our party leaders at the protest?

Yeah, CNN, that looks like only 2000 people.

Sorry Domingo, I haven't been able to waste my time 24/7 on this crap... but anyway... I can't help but wonder what kind of your service YOU are doing for our country... what's that??? Oh sorry, I couldn't hear you over the flight deck that I am routinely on, training to go to Iraq... roadside bombs filled with mustard gas found in Iraq last year, left over from weapons evacuations of the Red Guard... look it up, ungrateful terrorist-lover. I'm ashamed to fight for people like you. Luckily, there are still millions more level-headed, patriotic citizens who make it worth my time.

Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 06:15 PM

By the way, yes I do love those babies... you know, the ones who can't get out of the womb because you murder them... hundreds of thousands every year... just suck their brains out... yeah, you really support life...

Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 06:17 PM

americanpatriot-

I guess I'm jumping in, but some of your words are smacking of blind acceptance.

My family is in no way threatened by any of the innocent women & children in Iraq. So, please- TRY NOT TO KILL TOO MANY OF THEM. You are not defending my (or my family's) freedom.

Your commander-in-chief is a LYING fascist murdering pig AND YOU WORK FOR HIM BY CHOICE.

So, do me a favor. Don't "fight" for me. Me and my boys will do our own fighting if our land is ever invaded.

And btw- I am 110% PRO-LIFE. In my mind there is no excuse for abortion. I'll probably take heat for that, but I've stated that before.

you murder them... hundreds of thousands every year... just suck their brains out... yeah, you really support life...Posted by americanpatriot

Look @$$hole, I think you got some kind of mental problems or something. I know I've never had an abortion, never caused someone to have an abortion, never performed an abortion or had anything to do with abortion. You just like to make lies up about people, like your BS about "mustard gas".

Anyone mention the fact that they took the guns away from the US CITIZENS in New Orleans? Anyone?

{Schube}-

Saw where you were recuperating buddy.

Glad to hear that you're all right!

Your commander-in-chief is a LYING fascist murdering pig AND YOU WORK FOR HIM BY CHOICE.
So, do me a favor. Don't "fight" for me. Me and my boys will do our own fighting if our land is ever invaded. Posted by Chuck

Chuck, I think the only "war" this guy's fighting is inside his own mind.

I found this one by CNS News, but I don't give them as much credence. So let me find a second source.

Here is one reprinted from the Associated Press.

And here is the Washington Post, telling all about how THIS ADMINISTRATION suspended people's Second Amendment right to bear arms.

Yes, but people keep coming over to check on me, forcing me to clean my house further! ;)

I heard the rumor that bush quit drinking, and I don't believe a word of it! ;)

By the way, Saddam Hussein's troops were called

The Republican Guard

A name chosen by Saddam to show his support of the REAGAN/BUSH administration, by the way.

Posted by Domingo on September 24, 2005 at 06:34 PM

William-

That was obvious to me as well. It's the brainwashed set & that's EXACTLY where those people belong. They don't belong on a forum of informed citizens, that's for sure.

Unfortunate that I have a new enemy- the bu$hmeriKan.

Unfortunate that we're surrounded by them.

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 24, 2005 at 06:36 PM

HA!HA! Don't you see? It's all good that way! :)

Oh and by the way, the person mentioning the mustard gas is essentially calling bush a liar, because bush came on TV and said that their intelligence was incorrect and that no WMD were found in Iraq, (although he still insisted that WMD Programs existed). So, it's time for another episode of"

Republicans eating their own!

By the way, Saddam Hussein's troops were called

The Republican Guard

A name chosen by Saddam to show his support of the REAGAN/BUSH administration, by the way.

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 24, 2005 at 06:40 PM

Yeah. And bush/rumsfeld put one of their generals back in charge of Fallujah because we "couldn't hold it" after we flattened it.

By the way, Saddam Hussein's troops were called The Republican Guard

And somebody who was "REALLY" in the military would know that!

BTW, I thought the Republicans said it was going to the DEMOCRATS who took everyone's guns away. Didn't they? As so as something goes wrong in your town, kiss your guns goodby little Repubies.

By the way, I know people currently over there, and the first thing they were told was that there was no WMD. Marines, BTW. And one of the people who can confirm this is an Iraq vet who is already in state government here in Ohio (as a Democratic Veteran who is now vehemently anti-Iraq war.. He mentioned it at the Union Hall I went to last year.

BTW, everyone KNOWS that being against this BULLSHIT war does not make one against the troops. And at a time where 66% of Americans support immediate withdrawl from Iraq, that dog won't hunt anymore.

Well hey, "Provide for the common defense" is not limited to HUMAN enemies. It also includes NATURE! And Bush showed how well he would provide for the common defense during Katrina.

And if he does better for Rita, that is good. But it doesn't bring the dead back to life!

This whole bush fiasco of LIES, FRAUD, THEFT, TREASON and MURDER is coming apart "at the seams". But it's way too late. It was obvious all along to us.

Posted by Chuck on September 24, 2005 at 06:40 PM

Chuck, if it's a "Republican war" then it's the only thing keeping us safe in our beds at night. If it's a "Democrat war" then they say this.

Why did they blame America first?

Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Once the bombing commenced, I think then Milosevic unleashed his forces, and then that's when the slaughtering and the massive ethnic cleansing really started"

-Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

"
Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode"

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R)

"These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ...who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."

-Michael Savage

"This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."

-Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."

-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)

"America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

-Pat Buchanan (R )

"By the order to launch air strikes against Serbia, NATO and President Clinton have entered uncharted territory in mankind's history. Not even Hitler's grab of the Sudetenland in the 1930s, which eventually led to WW II, ranks as a comparable travesty. For, there are no American interests whatsoever that the NATO bombing will
either help, or protect; only needless risks to which it exposes the American soldiers and assets, not to mention the victims on the ground in Serbia."

Bob Djurdjevic, founder of Truth in Media

Bush Fiddles while Rome Burns

His Majesty, the Lord duh-bya will leave in shame in 2009, but HE SHOULD BE LEAVING IN HANCUFFS & LEG-IRONS RIGHT NOW!

HANCUFFS=HANDCUFFS

Posted by Domingo on September 24, 2005 at 06:57 PM

Whew!

Now there's a list of turds I wouldn't want to be within a 100 miles of!

Bush's corporatist pandering, and his finger in the air approach with the Religious Right and the polls is starting to make good Republicans feel ASHAMED!

And he is no fiscal conservative either. In essence, he is NOT a REPUBLICAN! He is a fascist.

Original Fourteen Points of Fascism

Updated Fourteen Points of Fascism.

By the way, it was HITLER who believed that if you disagree with the Fuehrer, you are an enemy of the state. THAT is right from the NAZI playbook.

Domingo, can you find the two VFW statements, to show the contrast in positions?

Bush Fiddles while Rome Burns

The night Gov. Blanco called Bush and told him the levees broke, he went right to bed. He claims he needs to get his rest so he can make "Crisp Decisions". I thought the Repug trolls keep telling us we all should work 16 hours a day. I guess us peons don't need to make "Crisp Decisions" the way Junior does.

Why of course the people don't want war.

Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.

It works the same in any country.

-------- Hermann Wilhelm Göring, during his trial in Nuremberg

Domingo, can you find the two VFW statements, to show the contrast in positions?

Which ones Schube? Not sure what you're looking for.

Talk to you guys later.

Off to do some work here at the house. :)

Schube,

I am sorry to hear you have been ill, and I wish you a speedy recovery.

:)

Here are the words for the "Lying sack of crap song."

I will try to find a wav file.

You're a lying sack of crap
You're a lying sack of crap.
You're a lying, scheming, stinking, nasty, sack of liquid crap. (plink, plink!)

Here's one for ya, Chuck.

EXCLUSIVE! * A DIEBOLD INSIDER SPEAKS!

DIEB-THROAT : 'Diebold System One of Greatest Threats Democracy Has Ever Known'

bradblog.com

Don't worry Paul. Focus on the REAL problems in this world, and the man who caused most of them.

Later Chuck.

Domingo, the VFW leadership took a vehemently anti war stand against Clinton, and recently took a rather hypocritical pro war stance for bush's debacle. We need to remind people of that, especially with 2/3 of Americans disagreeing with them.

Pictures of the Peace March

Lying sack of crap ring tones!

Funny for anyone who knows the tune!

Schube,

I think the health of good people is one of our real problems today.

Sincerely,

I think the health of good people is one of our real problems today. Posted by Paul

That Cheney sure wants his doesn't he? But the greedy bloodsucker doesn't want anyone else to have any.

Yes, but people keep coming over to check on me, forcing me to clean my house further! ;)

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 24, 2005 at 06:36 PM

Maybe a clean house is what keeps visitors away? It works for me. ;)

Hi Jaline! I would have thought the catheter would keep people away. Guess not!

But I thought Karl Rove said there was no anti-war movement in this country.

100,000 Demonstrators Call for U.S. Troops To Leave Iraq

LA Times

They say the reason Junior has all the pauses in his speech is because he's waiting for the words in his wireless ear phone.

I don't think it is the oil. Oil is a symptom of the problem. It is the exploitiation of people that is the REAL problem. Fair days pay for a fair day's work. Stop taking from the poor and middle class, and giving to the top 2%. Oil prices yield the SAME transfer of wealth. The bankrupcy act will yield the same transfer of wealth. Now that Haliburton will rebuild New Orleans, even the hurricanes are exploited to yield the same transfer of wealth.

85% of Iraqis want us out of Iraq. The other 15% think they will benefit financially from us being there.

where can I find the video of Donahue whooping O'Reilly's ass? I want to see it!

Hello?

Unfortunately, . . .

Click Here

Lord Farquaad reminds me of bush!

ask your self..even if you dont believe,,the USA sold saddam the so called chemical weapons..where did he get the technology...remember he was our friend...tho old USSR block sure wouldnt of sold him weapon technology,,,and all other middle east countrys were trying to develop these weapons'''before you talk middle east..read history...papa bush drilled first oil well in iraq..guess what year..we supplied military aid to saddam guess year..saddam seized oil wells what year...that is when he became our enemy

CHUCK...read your post,it is rare to see a poster on here who has read such books..you may have read more of the trial,,if you have studied that time in history....have you ever wondered why we have a meth problem in america..why are children wear school uniforms..sex edu,,and other modern edu. practices..dont it follow a certain doctrin,,and remember the bush family supported this doctrin

Change to ItsTheExploitationStupid. Slavery didn't end in the 1860's. By 1908 it was back, but was for both blacks AND whites. Read any Dickens? See the pictures?

Child Labor History

You are on the wrong blog, its stupid. (May I call you that?) We don't advocate book burning here within the Democratic Party. I think you turned left when you meant to turn right. That's OK - everyone makes mistakes.

And you are right about the King James Version being the only original and true version of the Bible. Everyone knows Moses and Jesus both spoke in 16th Century English, them being from Egypt and Israel thousands of years ago, and all.

Wikipedia Child Labor.

General Labor Movement (and Mother Jones!)

Shrek is on NBC.

Hello William. I am sorry to hear you are under the weather. Speedy recovery to you!

Must get back to my wedding chores. Only one more week, thank goodness. Take care.

Sometimes things are more than they appear. -- Shrek

Love the part with the bird!

joan, so then i am doing the big snaking human chain dance thru the catering joint at the wrong wedding?

hate to bust your bubble..the pilgrams came to america because they would not use king james version of the bible...it is the newest translation of the holy scripture..which was written in true english...there was a english traslation 500 years before it...it was one of over 20 bibles in english..and it was changed and rewrote several times in the first few years...every time the king clased with church leaders...study some history...this book never claimed to be the bible...on the front cover it tells you ,,that it is only king james version....and it got changed so much..because the king of england..and the duke of scotland were lovers,,,now that is pure recorded history

don't worry about me Joan, but thanks anyway.

NOW THATS I BELIEVE IN SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE///

hmmm i have been off the machine for a week. i guess lizzy and some of the others are at the demonstration. given that it is competing with the second cat 5 hurricane of the season i am not that unhappy with the msm coverage.

Hello folks!

I just got back home from the giant historic D.C. Peach March! It was great!

There were without a doubt, well over 100,000 participants in the march. Plus, there were thousands of people like me who stood on the sidelines to cheer them on and to take pictures.

When the march started just after 12:30, I walked ahead to stake out my perch. I walked past Cindy Sheehan, who was marching next to Rev. Jessie Jackson. In front of them and along the sides of the road were dozens of media people trying to take their pictures. I raised my camera, pointed it in their direction, clicked away and hoped I aimed correctly.

Because of train delays and late arrivals, there were hundreds of people walking against the direction of the March trying to get to the starting point. This caused the beginning of the march to slow to a crawl as they waited for the "wrong way people" to either move to the side or turn around and join in the march from where they were.

I walked ahead to the first turn and found a ledge four feet off the ground to stand on. That's where I stood for the next three hours taking pictures. When it was over, I had takes almost 200 pictures on my digital camera!

Does anyone know a good website where I can post them? The following site has already posted over 300 photos:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/3093

The Rethugs had their anti-antiwar demonstration at 10AM. But it was blocks away from where we were. Their presence was as significant as a pesty fly buzzing around your head. I only saw two of their stupid signs before the march.

Of course, there were no incidents involving police intervention. Although the cops were plentiful, they mostly stood around talking to one another.

From beginning to end the march lasted for over three hours. People were walking past me at a rate of about ten per second. there was so much to see that it was impossible to take it all in.

There were groups who represented labor unions, political causes, cities and states. People carried signs, banners, flag covered coffins, giant white doves and a huge peace sign made out of pink helium filled balloons!

One of the most vocal groups was the one who had earlier protested at the IMF meeting. There were also several drum groups and megaphone lead slogan shouting.

Back on the Mall, there were many tents and tables set up for people to sell their buttons, stickers, magnet ribbons, tee shirts, etc. Many groups asked for donations and had petitions for us to sign.

Still, with all of those people protesting the war, there were a few missing from the event... namely, Democratic politicians who were AWOL doing their invertebrate impressions, again.

I know that I wasn't the only one to notice the gaps left by the Democrats because the Green, Libertarian and other minority parties showed up and were happy to take their place.

Oops! Peace March. Time for bet.

I mean bed.

Good night!

they are calling it at least 100,000 demonstrators and the basic anti bush, anti war theme seems to be the one that is being reported about in the msm.

i am also looking foward to the next supreme court opera. now that the boy from brazil is a hop skip and a jump from being the new lunatic chief it will be interesting to see (and lets not hope terrifying as well) who bush puts up. i figure it has to be a more flamingly demonic figure than roberts though not necessarily a more dangerous one. so....if the democrats and jeffords and snow e and chaffee have any heart or hope we should get a filibuster show down....or will bush bend? seems unlikely...so let the games begin.

i did some traveling in the south west this week and at a starbucks ( yes they are evil but the caffine monkey is on my back ) this guy was asking the server "do you know pastor jones?, and then do you know pastor smith?" and when he had gone thru about four rounds of this i said do you know "pastor fagioli ?". it got some laughs from those rubes who knew the soup.

i was impressed with how much everyone west of the pecos feels great about the fact that you can pack some heat in public. no one was actually packing but they seemed to feel good knowing they could if they wanted to and they seemed to think this sort of make believe wild west world they inhabited had less crime than in places where you can't pack but it seemed they actually had a fair amount of crime but whatever...

i saw a bunch of gun magizines for woman in a waiting room. this really surprised me though i am not sure why. i didn't know there were gun magazines targeted ( ho, ho ) for women. but then i saw a blue haired lady in a doctor's waiting room reading one.

kevin thanks for the first person account.

Good evening, all.

"And I'm glad that we were relentless in Germany and elsewhere, just as we should be in Iraq today... when they get back, you can thank one those soldiers that no mustard gas was dropped on your house so you have the ability to write on this blog."

Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 04:35 PM

What is with these delusional wingnuts? When was the last time any Iraqi attacked this country? They used to look to us for hope. Now they just want us to leave their country. If we hadn't invaded them, they might have helped us get Bin Lauden. None of the other countries in the Middle East seem to care...even Isreal.

And there isn't any mustard gas in Iraq...they don't have any WMDs or they would have used them on us by now. The only time they did was when Rumsfeld gave them to Saddam to use on the Kurds and Iranians.

We should be a lot more concerned about the toxins in the water down in New Orleans than a mustard gas attack from a people fighting for their freedom half way across the globe. Send the troops home and let them help clean up our own country.

When are the Republicans going to get their priorities right?

Good evening, all.

"And I'm glad that we were relentless in Germany and elsewhere, just as we should be in Iraq today... when they get back, you can thank one those soldiers that no mustard gas was dropped on your house so you have the ability to write on this blog."

Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 04:35 PM

What is with these delusional wingnuts? When was the last time any Iraqi attacked this country? They used to look to us for hope. Now they just want us to leave their country. If we hadn't invaded them, they might have helped us get Bin Lauden. None of the other countries in the Middle East seem to care...even Isreal.

And there isn't any mustard gas in Iraq...they don't have any WMDs or they would have used them on us by now. The only time they did was when Rumsfeld gave them to Saddam to use on the Kurds and Iranians.

We should be a lot more concerned about the toxins in the water down in New Orleans than a mustard gas attack from a people fighting for their freedom half way across the globe. Send the troops home and let them help clean up our own country.

When are the Republicans going to get their priorities right?

Sorry for the double post.

sandy, hey things are slow here you can triple post if ya want.

about worrying about that mustard gas, hitting my house...if the greedy american oil men and corrupt politicians..had not sold saddam the gas..and the technology to deliver it..no we would not have to worry...didnt you watch the news 20 years ago,,,THE USSR SURE DID NOT SELL IT TO HIM..and he did not have the technology to make it...much less deliver it

Oops! Peace March. Time for bet.

Posted by KevinSchmidtVA on September 24, 2005 at 10:30 PM

The odds of an impeachment are getting much better. ;)

Impeach Bush...Ramsey Clark said it loud and clear.

Just as Ramsey said: We have a Constitutional Duty to Impeach Bush. He has committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" and it is our responsibility to Impeach the President, Vice President and all Cabinet Members complicite in the crimes.

Howdy All! congrats all for a successful day in DC! I'm impressed that we're troll free tonite. How curious. Our guests usually like to spend time with us after we have such positive events to celebrate. They must be abandoning the sinking ship along with the republican congressional delegation which no longer wants to be seen anywhere in camera sight of the petulant president.

preach impeach.

screech impeach.

teach impeach.

reach impeach.

We should not HAVE to encourage our Congresmen. They should take the initiative. But if encourage them we must.. so be it...encourage them we will. Loudly and Clearly. I will start writing letters tonight.

i feel much more comfortable knowing that the presidunce was observing the interfacing of the federal government with the other things. observing interfacing is hard work. you have to be conscious for one thing and you have to keep your mouth from hanging open or you could catch you death a flie swarm.

fly

Who will draw up the articals of Impeachment? Or have they already been inscribed?

Mustard Gas was used in WWI, and is not considered a WMD by ANY stretch of the imagination. Nonetheless, they only had 1 shell worth of it. It is not the VX or Anthrax or nukes that bush claimed Saddam had. The only botox they found was in a plastic surgeon's office, and you KNOW what that was for. WMD was a lie from the Git Go, and the only people that don't know it are the people that think Saddam and Osama are the same person. You guessed it -- Fox viewers.

it might be interesting to do some research..and see which politicians,,were warning us about our relationship with iraq,,,and how many commontators..and editers..and other media was warning us...remember both US and USSR had signed treatys about chemical weapons,,,and only two countries were known to still have stock piles..

bb they were here, but we held the fort, so to speak.

Kevin, glad you were there. Sounds like there was a good number of dedicated people in DC this weekend.

I hear Bush ran all the way to Colorado to avoid the embarrassment of facing his critics. With Cheney under the knife, I suppose the only place he felt safe was in a military facility hiding under his bed...waiting for the hurricane to get him? Does he feel safe anywhere in this country?
Why does he feel so vunerable all of a sudden?

Why do his supporters feel so vunerable all of a sudden? Maybe 2.5 million Texans in full panic mode on the highways to Dallas -- trying to escape the fate of those "rescued" by FEMA in New Orleans and the small coastal towns of Mississippi and Lousisiana -- might give them pause.

Nobody feels safe any more in this country, especailly those that put their faith in Junior and Darth Vader.

How do you think those that voted for Bush and the Republican Congress now feel about their chances of getting any Social Security checks in the future? Their chances of getting gasoline if the oil cartel decides to use Spunky as a punching bag...to get even for invading Iraq.

This administration has weakened this nation and now even their own side is afraid of the future. There were a lot of rich folks, too, in small planes at Bush and Hobby Airports fleeing from what Bush might have in store for them.

Meanwhile, the great Republican hope, Dr. Frist, has been caught with his hands in the cookie jar...another Republican saint with a broken halo. The taint of greed and incompetence is everywhere. Those haunted faces from the New Orleans convention center and Abu Graibe just won't go away.

Who says God is watching?

further, biological weapons die. EVERYBODY knew that. If not maintained, they die faster than the fern in the back corner of your home.

Posted by Doyoureallycare on September 24, 2005 at 10:17 AM

I find the timing of this new-found sensibility of yours to be truly unfortunate.

I'm getting the impression that you voted for Bush. Just a hunch, I didn't see you say it explicitly, but everyone else seems to reaffirm that suspicion.

Where was your sensibility during that disgusting campaign the Republicans ran in 2004? Where was this maturity and dignity when Senator Kerry tried to take the high road and the Republicans used every dirty tactic in the book to win, including stealing votes?

NOW it's started to bother you? If it bothers you, vote Democrat. Send a message to the guys who started it.

Sawmiller, (I have a coworker with the same last name) You need to hear what Galloway had to say. It was awe inspiring... I am speaking of his meeting with Norm Coleman, which was stricken from the congressional record.

From Daily Kos

I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not have weapons of mass destruction.

I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda.

I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001.

I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning.

Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies.

all the time i was a kid all i heard was chemical weapon...dad said a nuclear bomb would just kill you..chemicals would torture you..i talked about chemical weapons..when no one believed...you see my dad spent his life in this field,,,and if you could have been there when he died..you would understand...he died a horrible death...the doctors could not save him...and only military doctors could treat him..from exposure to chemicals..

Would Collin Powell have been considered 'under oath' when he went before the UN with his fairy tale about WMD? Would it be a "slam dunk" to prove 'conspiracy' on Bush, Chaney, Rummy, Powell, Rice, Bolton, Card, Rove (of course), and many of the defense department. Wolforiz, Firth, etc.

Damn, they would have to have one of those Arab courtrooms with the jail cells to hold all of them during the trial.

Is breech of contract in the extreme worthy of hanging? Should be: Bush contracted to bring back honesty, integrity, open and fair government; to be a Uniter not a Divider; to bring Respect to the WH...what a lieing dirt ball he is...and always has been. How could he fool so many...???

As Malloy says, If there is a God (which he doubts) then Bush and friends are playing for the other side.

I am SO GLAD...SO GLAD I TELL YOU, that our men and women died so they can be free.

Iraqi women say freedoms are slipping away Sat Sep 24, 5:08 PM ET

Women's rights activists in Iraq say rising extremism is restricting their freedom, even as the country prepares to vote on a constitution that is touted as one of the Arab world's most progressive regarding women.

"Women cannot walk freely out in the street," said activist Ban Jamil, who directs the Rasafa Branch of Assyrian Women Union, a local non-governmental organisation in Baghdad.

"Women face lack of respect when they walk uncovered," said Jamil, a Christian, who said women are insulted if they show too much skin or walk in public without wearing the Islamic veil, or hijab, to cover their hair.

She blamed "imported extremist doctrines, which were never experienced in the past" for the new restrictions.

The tide of Islamisation has risen in Iraq as fundamentalist Shiite parties have come to power following the ouster of former dictator Saddam Hussein.

Although not enforced by the newly established laws, which were written under US patronage, a conservative dress code is widely observed in much of the war-torn country.

But conservative dressing in Iraq is not as universally strict as in neighbouring Shiite Iran, or ultra-conservative Sunni Saudi Arabia, where women have to cover from head-to-toe when in public.

Dressing modestly in trousers and a long-sleeved shirt -- more likely with a colourful headscarf -- is common among Iraqi women.

Older or very conservative women often wear the traditional black abaya, a kind of loose-fitting, modest dress.

But short sleeves and skirts which were accepted in the past are hardly seen, even in the scorching heat of Baghdad's summer.

"We cover and change the way we dress unwillingly due to pressure," said Jinan Mubarak, a Muslim who heads the Iraqi Centre for Training and Employing Women in Baghdad.

She said some neighbourhoods are off-limits for women if unveiled, saying that women like herself are forced to change their behaviour in such environments.

Iraqi state television -- a shopwindow of the new regime -- allows some female presenters to appear unveiled, despite a clear Shiite influence in its programmes.

However, religious zealots who were curbed under Saddam's secular grip can operate freely now, as evidenced by one notice billboarded in a Baghdad street near a church, Jamil said.

"To all unveiled Muslim sisters and Christian sisters: You should wear a veil because Virgin Mary used to be veiled," it said.

Women are also concerned that the American influence in running post-Saddam Iraq plays a major role in protecting women rights, and that a future departure of US troops might result in further radicalisation.

"This might regrettably be the case, as much as we would like to see the Americans out of Iraq," said Mubarak.

US Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad has called Iraq's draft constitution the most progressive document in the Muslim world, claiming it ensured women's rights.

"Women have the right to participate fully in public activities," he said in August, pointing out that 25 percent of parliament seats were reserved for women.

But activists say that the current female MPs do not represent women's advocates and were brought in by male-dominated political parties to fill the 25 percent quota.

"These were voted in to fill the quota... None of them serves in the politburo of any of their parties... They are mere mouthpieces," Jamil said.

"We fear the same might happen in the next elections," she added, claiming that independent women have very slim chance of making it into the national assembly.

Several vocal women MPs speak out during live-broadcast parliament sessions and criticise openly the performance of governmental departments, although they are all first-timers.

Eighty-seven women were elected to parliament in the January 30 elections. One has since been killed by insurgents
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It's working out brilliantly.

Sawmiller, Saddam used his chemical and biological weapons on his own people, and then our guys destroyed most of his crap back in 1991. I have friends that fought in DS. That is the first reason I didn't believe the stories that Saddam still had WMD. If he had, it would be a black mark on my friends.

What was not destroyed in the war was destroyed or buried (the only way to get rid of some chemicals is to bury them, and even then they have to be encased is stuff to prevent leaking). The Inspection teams bore this out, finding the big leftovers first, then smaller and smaller stuff.

Now you cannot prove a negative, so there was no way that Saddam could prove that the weapons no longer existed. That was simple logic. But then when people SAID that the WMD didn't exist, and they were silenced or had their wives outed, or they were slandered, it should have REALLY became obvious that bush was lying.

Bushco CONTINUALLY referred to weapons that Saddam had that were GONE, that they knew were gone. And that led me to doubt the credibility of the information further.

There were unexplained features of 9/11, that really bothered me, like bush's unwillingness to have the investigation. And the fact that one year later bush said he didn't really care about Bin Laden.

This was not a case of reasonable doubt. This stunk right from the beginning. And unless there was a damn good reason, our people should NOT go into ANY war, be it in Iraq or Sweeden! WWII was based on an attack on the US by an enemy. We didn't attack China after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. But we attacked Iraq after Saudis attacked us. Why?

If a congresman were given the irrefutable facts of the crimes that BushCo has committed while in office and presented with an underlined copy of the Constitution stating the responsibility for Impeaching the President under the circumstances, could he (the Congresman) be held for direliction of duty if he did NOT bring forth the Impeachment proceedings????? If NOT then why?

The main thing that separates bushco from REAL Republicans is that REAL Republicans are not bullies. REAL Republicans are fiscally conservative. REAL Republicans wouldn't sell this country out for the highest profit, because they put country ahead of money.

bush is a NAZI. Or at least a fascist. But his grandfather actually funded the NAZI's, so it is much more likely thaty he is a NAZI. Unlike his father, who lost friends to NAZIs, and would never cross the line to become one, w listened to his grandfather glorify the reich and never saw the bad, at least while his pea brain was still forming.

By the way, you guys need to find out more about depleted uranium. That's all I'm going to say.

Posted by letshelpdean on September 24, 2005 at 11:34 PM

There is nothing in the Constitution to provide for that. You'd (we'd) have to file a suit in federal court, and there'd have to be precedent on the books someplace.

By the way, yes I do love those babies... you know, the ones who can't get out of the womb because you murder them... hundreds of thousands every year... just suck their brains out... yeah, you really support life...

Posted by americanpatriot on September 24, 2005 at 06:17 PM

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I used to think there was only one good reason to perform an abortion. When it's medically necessary to save a life. Now I see a second reason because of folks like americanpatriot. Evidently the thinking portion of his brain dripped down someones leg about 9 months before he was born. It's a shame how the GOP says all Democrats are for killing babies when it's the farthest from the truth. If he's so much of a patriot, why's he on this blog all the time posting instead of in Iraq? I highly doubt he's ever served one day in the military. If he has, it was most likely under the same terms as his president and chief. I think he's just seen too many top gun type movies myself. If the truth was known, he'd probably run like Bush did from the protest in Washington today.

WILLIAMSCHUBERT////you are 100% correct..the US would not of attacked him if they werent pretty sure he had no chemical weapons...when our troops began their rapid advancement,,and supply lines were strung out for miles...a small force with chemical weapons could of wiped out our entire army...we were in to deep to nuke..without hitting our own force..and a lot of our military commanders were worried...

My son called me tonight from Camp Shelby. He ships out November 13 to Camp Buehring in Kuwait. Today he got vaccinated for smallpox , polio, and typhoid. He declined the anthrax vaccine, as studies are being done that show it may not be effective, and has serious side effects.

He has heard that the primary danger in Kuwait is boredom. God I hope so.

Gregg - the reason I have not sent the invite is that I heard you only own Pat Boone white patent leather
bucks and everyone knows you can't wear white after Labor Day.

Article VI Clause 2 of the US Constitution reads as follows:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Now, my impression was that bush has to swear to uphold the US Constitution, which includes the aforementioned clause. If he does not, he is guilty of not doing his duty which would fall under the category of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Can you think of any treaties or laws or conventions that bush has broken? I know you can. Name one, and bush can be impeached for it. Name the right one, and you get a kewpie doll.

He is busy studying up on the various religions represented in his battalion - as Chaplain's assistant he has to minister to all. This will be a challenge for a Lutheran boy from Wisconsin. Among his troops are a Satanist and a Nordic Pagan. I don't know what that means. I too am from Wisconsin. :)

most of that uranium you worry about is being shot in all them artillery shells...and the so called dirty bomb is just a scare tactic...yes it is possible...but would be inaffective...and very hard to pull off...unlike useing dynomite which is easy to obtain...and if set off in the rite location...could cause a lot more damage...

Ok Will, don't worry about him, he is gone. If you attack him now, you expend energy you will need later. Eyes on the prize.

WilliamSchubert,

Though not a treaty, he's breaking the Geneva Convention by the way their doing the people down in Cuba which he as the president told them to. He's also not honoring the constitution by allowing them to have a speedy trial.

Will, are non-citizens afforded speedy trials per the Constitution, or do you have to be a citizen to be covered by that?

Keep going sawmiller. Bush is not the only president to use DU if that helps. Google it.

I should clarify - obviously resident immigrants are afforded Constitutional rights. But non-resident non-citizens? I don't know the law that well.

Joan,

Some of those I took it were citizens here and after being arrested sent to Guantonomo Bay. I'm not sure about any sent there from Iraq or another country, however they're protected by the Geneva Convention.

Thanks Will.

Ding, Ding, Ding. You are correct. You have earned the virtual kewpie doll. Geneva Convention is the biggie. Speedy trials fall under 6th amendment

Sixth Amendment

I would say any breach of the US Constitution has to be considered breach of his duty to uphold same, and ergo would fall under high crimes and misdemeanors!

The right to a speedy trial may be derived from a provision of Magna Carta!

if the so called terrorist really pulled off 911 with out american help,,it proved they are to stupid to hurt america...they used their resources to hit a building..which should of only sustained minor damage,,,they must of been more shocked to see it crumble,, than the americans who planned it,,,just think of the real damage to american economy,if them planes would of hit our oil refinerys,,,and if i was a terrorist from oil country,,i would hit targets i knew best...not a plane proof building.which would only cause minor financial damage,,to us economy

The provision is ''an important safeguard to prevent undue and oppressive incarceration prior to trial, to minimize anxiety and concern accompanying public accusation and to limit the possibility that long delay will impair the ability of an accused to defend himself.'

Sound familiar?

Sawmiller - it seemed they were really fixated on the WTC. This was not their first attempt. What was it - '93?

My eyes are crossing. Time to walk the dogs and hit the sack. Nite all.

ok folks...how many prisoners,, american citizens..does the US have in jail today..who has been in jail for several years,,under a bond they cant pay,,,and never been to trial..the numbers will scare you...these people often serve years and have never been to court..and many are charged with petty crimes...

William,

That is why Bush is so against an international tribunal. Since the fish rots from the head down, he knows he could be had for crimes against humanity. He gave the edicts along with Rumsfeld on what to do to the "detainees". Today in a paper they told about a Captain who tried to report abuse while in iraq but the higher-ups ignored it. Now he's back in the states, they're listening. Right now, I think there is firm grounds for impeachment and liable for war crimes.

Imagine? Two Refineries have already been hit by Rita. Others were hit by Katrina. Our problem is that oil is used to hold us "over a barrel" (pun intended)

Explain why Hummers currently come with federal subsidy, but the Prius does not? Why has this country gone 30 years since the first Gas Crisis, and not acted to create and improve automobiles to the point of getting over 100 mpg?

Why haven't our plastics manufacturers switched to an organically created oil for their manufacture?

Does anyone realize how much stuff requires oil for its creation?

Why dont they help the farmers by allowing them to grow corn and sugar cane? They're doing this now in Argentina and running cars off straight alchohol or a rich mixed ethanol. It's oil and all the stock the rich folks own!

if i was going to rob the bank...dont you think i would create a diversion..do you think this job was planned in advance...i knew a man who planned a unreal job for 10 years..and pulled it off..and made 50.000 dollars...most house arsons are planned for years

Oil can be controled...rice and corn and sunshine and wind cannot be...controlled and owned and profited from.

Will, you are on the money. But that isn't the only instance of high crimes this administration is involved in.

Joan, you are aware of the Sociology of Terrorism published in 1999, which mentions that Osama bin Laden intends to fly planes into the World Trade Center?

See page 4 and beyond!

Ok, well I need to rest. Good night all.

William,

The lergest crime I think Bush and the GOP are guilty of are crimes against humanity. This bacuse of them cutting the funding to help the sick and disabled. There will be folks die from their actions and that is a crime. All to make the top 10-20% richer by tax cuts.

Then there's vote fraud. They asked president Carter and that bastard GOP lawyer, I can't remember his name right off, to check into it. The same lawyer who argies the case between Bush and Gore. That's like letting the fox in the chicken house. However I do believe in Carter. Carters biggest problem he ever had when president was he was too honest!

Yup me too, I gotta get up tomorrow. Laterz all.

I have come to this conclusion about the Dems....They are wusses.
Hear me out here. I'm an Independant from VA. I like Kaine. Kilgore (R)lied when he ran for Attornet General. He left his office to run for Gov after promising VA residents he would be best AG ever. He is a political opportunist at best, and a liar. I have talked to Kaine campaign, and pointed this out. Response: "Well you're right Tim kaine didn't step down from Lt Gov to campaign for Gov, but we aren't going to resort to dirty politics like the Republicans do." I understand this from a philosophical standpoint. I'm kind of a redneck. If you really want to fight, I will oblige. I expect you to keep it clean, and will do the same. However if you decide trying to kick me in the nads, biting, etc is how you want to fight I will stoop for basic survival. Dems just don't seem to get that.

well all these people who talk civil rights no one has answered...how many american citizens have been in jail for over 3 years,,waiting for court day...last count over 10,000..so lets take care of our citizens...before we point fingers at other countries,,remember most of these people will be released ,when they go to court,,,many could leave jail today,,,if they had 100 dollars to pay bondsman,,,

WALTZCB, what YOU don't seem to understand is that you cannot define an entire political party by the actions of the one or two you know.

You realize that there are more Democrats than Republicans who are in leadership roles, who actually SERVED in the Military? You seem to think it is a WEAKNESS to fight for liberty and justice for all. It is a STRENGTH.

Maybe you should learn about all the Iraq Vets like Paul Reikoff and Paul Hackett

We are not all Alan Colmes clones. Maybe there are a bunch of wusses at the leadership level, but not at MY level. And if I have my way, all the wussy Democratic Leaders, and the bush lite clones will be replaced with people who have balls and spines.

And my favorite story was last year, the week that Spiderman 2 came out. I went to the movies with my coworkers, and when I got out, a pickup truck got behind me. I had two bumper stickers on the car:

1) John Kerry in 2004

2) Save the economy/Vote Democratic.

Well this apparently pissed off these rednecks, who thought they would put a scare into a wussy liberal, come from seeing Farenheit 911 (I actually went to see Spiderman, as I said before).

Well they got on my tail and the skinhead in the passenger side got out the window of the truck and started flipping me off and calling me names. I slammed on the brakes, forcing them to swerve to avoid hitting me. I then cut down the first turn and headed for home. The pickup went past me and took the second turn.

I was on the bridge heading for home when the pickup caught up to me and tried to force me off the bridge. Then he headed over to a side road to wait for me to pass him again so he could tail me some more.

I saw him pull in. I saw him sitting there waiting for me. I sped up and pointed my car right at the driver's side door. When it became obvious that I intended to smash my car into the bastard, he pulled out and sped away like the coward he was.

Moral of the story: Most of the bullies are cowards underneath, and it takes a great deal of inner strength to fight for yourself, and for others. But the definition of Liberal is one who cares more about others than themselves. And that means defending them when the necessity arises. I consider myself a moderate. I am willing to help others and do a good turn daily, but I do not have the word "doormat" on my back.

From Websters:

Main Entry: self·less

Pronunciation: 'sel-fl&s

Function: adjective

Date: 1825

: having no concern for self : UNSELFISH

- self·less·ly adverb

- self·less·ness noun

Main Entry: un·self·ish

Pronunciation: "&n-'sel-fish

Function: adjective

Date: 1698

: not selfish : GENEROUS

- un·self·ish·ly adverb

- un·self·ish·ness noun

Main Entry: gen·er·ous

Pronunciation: 'jen-r&s, 'je-n&-

Function: adjective

Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French genereus, from Latin generosus, from gener-, genus

Date: 1588

1 archaic : HIGHBORN

2 a : characterized by a noble or forbearing spirit : MAGNANIMOUS, KINDLY b : liberal in giving : OPENHANDED c : marked by abundance or ample proportions : COPIOUS
synonym see LIBERAL

- gen·er·ous·ly adverb

- gen·er·ous·ness noun

Main Entry: lib·er·al

Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&l

Function: adjective

Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lEodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free

Date: 14th century

1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts (liberal education) b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth

2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED (a liberal giver) b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way (a liberal meal) c : AMPLE, FULL

3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS

4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE (a liberal translation)

5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

- lib·er·al·ly /-b(&-)r&-lE/ adverb

- lib·er·al·ness noun

synonyms LIBERAL, GENEROUS, BOUNTIFUL, MUNIFICENT mean giving or given freely and unstintingly. LIBERAL suggests openhandedness in the giver and largeness in the thing or amount given (a teacher liberal with her praise). GENEROUS stresses warmhearted readiness to give more than size or importance of the gift (a generous offer of help). BOUNTIFUL suggests lavish, unremitting giving or providing (children spoiled by bountiful presents). MUNIFICENT suggests a scale of giving appropriate to lords or princes (a munificent foundation grant).

Hey look, all those things that you folks learned about "liberals" are BULLSHIT! Maybe you should look things up for yourselves instead of buying the party line.

Reight from Wikipedia, the FACTS about Mustard Gas.

Mustard Gas TRUTH

From Wikipedia, the FACTS about WMD

Weapons of mass destruction

You pay taxes? Good. Because 87 of 245 Billionaires (people and corporations) PAY NO TAXES AT ALL.

I work hard for a living and play by the rules, and I expect the Rich people to pay their fair share as well!

You know that Death Tax? You know who benefits from it's repeal? Anyone with over 3.5 Million Dollars, that's who. And those with BILLIONS benefit a lot more!

Fuck that. I pay FICA, and payroll tax. Did you know that people who make more than 90,000 DO NOT pay Payroll tax? How is that Fair?

During the last elected president's term, there were surpluses. Clinton was much more of a Republican than bush, in that HIS policies were fiscally responsible. Bush has a Republican House, Senate, Supreme Court and Executive, and has run bigger defecits each year. He is NOT a Republican.

I represent the working class. I work anywhere from 8 to 12 hours a day. I expect fair pay for a fair days work. This is not about Liberals spending your taxes -- the fascists on the right are spending all the tyax money now in a massive scheme to redistribute wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich.

I represent those who believe in the constitution INCLUDING the Second Amendment. Bus releived people of their weapons in Louisiana. What do we learn from that? Whatever Republicans say Democrats will do, is what Republicans will do.

Let's say that is a working theory. As a scientist, I am not afraid of the word THEORY. A good theory has predictive value. so if my theory is that Republicans do what the accuse Democrats of doing, and Karl Rove Commits TREASON, that follows from transexual plagarist Ann Coulter calling US the traitors.

Does anyone remember how Clinton was "selling" the Lincoln bedroom"? Well bush sold most of our country to the Chinese, and gave Haliburton contracts for EVERYTHING. They make Clinton look like a piker. My theory holds.

So lets look at your contention that us liberals are taking YOUR money. Want to? Or are you afraid that the FACT that REPUBLICANS control the government means that it is REPUBLICANS that are wasting your money, not Democrats. Theory holds.

bushco relieved people of their weapons in New Orleans.

Tom Delay says there is no pork in the current budget. Do you believe him?

my story is real, and can be verified. Your story sounds like bullshit, and makes no sense when combined with the initial premise from the right that all Democrats are wusses. Either your story is untrue, or (inclusive or) not all Democrats are wusses. Logic.

By the way, my friends who served in Gulf War I were REAL American Patriots, and you had better not say ANYTHING to denigrate them. They served honorably, just as I suspect the people in this war are serving honorably. Yes there are assholes. There are ALWAYS assholes, but in civilian population you find a LOT MORE assholes than in the military, especially the ones who PRETEND they are patriotic, and act pro war, but would never serve themselves. If you favor a war, you should be willing to serve in it. If you are against a war, you should be willing to speak out against it.

Oh and as for Liberals expanding the size of government, need I mention the Department of Homeland Security? Billions of dollars and a dorky color chart later, size of government increased and for what? All we needed was a common interface and database schema to be shared amonst the FBI, CIA and other agencies; not an entirely new branch of government. And we can see how well they handle emergencies, because we put FEMA under them and FEMA implemented their emergency plan for Hurricane Katrina, with the results we witnessed.

I would say the theory that Republicans call Democrats what they are themselves or accuse Democrats of doing things that Republicans want to do, is bearing out. It even predicted Jeff Gannon, star reporter.

from reuters:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 100,000 protesters flooded Washington on Saturday to stage dual demonstrations against the U.S.-led war in Iraq and economic globalization, before coming together to demand President George W. Bush bring troops home.

"We need a people's movement to end this war," said Cindy Sheehan, an anti-war protester whose son was killed in fighting in Iraq. Camping out in Crawford, Texas, during much of August while Bush was vacationing there, Sheehan's rallies drew crowds there that sometimes numbered in the hundreds as she demanded a meeting with Bush.

demonstration

there is a good review in this months scientific american of a book titled the republican attack on science. this is a line of debate we should push hard. the bad guys have bullshited people about global warming for decades and now that the chickens are coming home to roost we need to make sure they roost on the right heads:

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - Spring snowmelt in Alaska's Arctic is occurring progressively earlier, accelerating the region's climate change and helping produce its warmest summers in at least 400 years, according to a new study.

The earlier snowmelt, itself a product of a warming climate, is one of the "positive feedback" factors that accelerates warming in the far north, said Terry Chapin, a professor of ecology at the University of Alaska Fairbanks' Institute of Arctic Biology and the study's lead author.

"Each of these changes seems to trigger other changes that mean more changes will occur," Chapin said.

The National Science Foundation-funded study published this week in the online journal Science Express found spring snowmelt had been occurring about 2.5 days earlier per decade, exposing dark ground to solar heat earlier in the season.

Heat absorbed by the ground releases energy into the local atmosphere, about three watts per cubic meter each decade, a change that is heating the local atmosphere and even adding incrementally to global warming, Chapin said.

"This heat is added to the atmosphere, so the atmosphere in the north becomes warmer and is mixed with the global atmosphere," Chapin said.

chickens coming home

and where is everybody?

maybe we could make a deal and let the republicans pick the top ten elected officials in washington who would go to jail for the rest of the team. then the rest of the team could be enrolled in home health aide training and find nice minimum wage jobs helping disabled world war two vets get around:

Frist Issue Adds to GOP's Ethics Troubles
Sale of Stock Before Its Price Fell Gives Critics Opening to Target Senate Leadership

By Charles Babington and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 25, 2005; Page A06

Two federal inquiries into Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's stock sales have handed Democrats a chance to broaden their long-stated claim that Republicans push ethical boundaries and focus on laws that help the rich, political analysts said yesterday.

Until now, such accusations have centered on the House and White House. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Tex.) has been chastised three times by the chamber's ethics committee, and a Texas grand jury recently indicted a political action committee he had organized. The Bush administration's top federal procurement official, David H. Safavian, was arrested last week on charges of obstructing a criminal investigation into lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who has close ties to DeLay and other prominent GOP lawmakers.

don't delay, frist first

Morning, Gregg! Welcome back!

DES MOINES, Iowa - Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright issued a stern warning Saturday about the continuing U.S. role in Iraq, saying "there are no good options at this point and the worst days may be ahead of us."

Albright, secretary of state under President Clinton, said the March 2003 invasion of Iraq has led to a series of misfortunes that should have been anticipated.

"Instead of winning friends for America, it has poisoned our relations with many countries in the Mideast and the Muslim world," Albright told a conference on the role of citizens in shaping the nation's image abroad.

Wow, I hadn't heard about this; sorry if it is a repost.

Billionaire financier George Soros hosted a fundraiser for Senate Democrats last week at his Manhattan home, making his first foray into politics after spending $25 million of his money in an effort to defeat President Bush last year.

Soros gathered about 60 of his friends and acquaintances in his Upper East Side home Thursday to hear a presentation from Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, according to a knowledgeable source. The event raised an estimated $250,000 for Senate Democratic candidates.

The hot topics of conversation among the assembled guests were the war in Iraq and the Senate confirmation proceedings for Supreme Court nominee John Roberts.

cyn, good to see you again. it is nice and cool here this morning and we are getting pretty desperate for some rain.

My favorite paragraphs from the Soros story above:

“The George Soros/Howard Dean/Michael Moore/MoveOn.org element of the Democratic Party has taken an increasingly prominent role in determining the legislative strategy and political rhetoric of the Democrat leadership in the U.S. Senate and House,” he wrote.

Soros is also a member of the Democracy Alliance, a new partnership among more than 80 wealthy liberals who have pledged to fund a network of progressive think tanks and advocacy groups.

The liberal organizations that Soros and other wealthy members of the Democracy Alliance decide to support no doubt will become the heavyweights of Democratic national politics in 2006, 2008 and perhaps beyond.

The DNC may soon also benefit from Soros’s fortune and connections. A DNC official said that Howard Dean, the DNC chairman, has a good relationship with Soros, dating from the 2004 campaign, and that Soros is supportive of DNC goals.

Good Morning, Dems!

Todays Picture

the washington post has an interview with president chavez of venezula, here is an excerpt:

Why did you call the United States a terrorist state?

The country is one thing -- we have lovely relations with the people -- like in the Bronx [where Chavez paid a visit]. We have economic relations. We have a company [Citgo, owned by the Venezuelan state oil company] that refines 800,000 barrels of oil [daily] . . . We have 14,000 gas stations in this country. We have sent Major League Baseball players here. We have many ties between Venezuela and the United States -- economic and social.

What I said is that this U.S. administration -- the current government -- is a terrorist administration, not all U.S. governments. I entertained the best of relations with the Clinton administration, and I consider myself a good friend of former President Carter.

So what's wrong with President Bush?

This administration invaded Iraq. According to Pope John Paul II, it is an illegal war, an immoral war, a terrorist war. The U.S. has bombarded entire cities, used chemical weapons and napalm, killed women, children and thousands of soldiers. That's terrorism.

In Venezuela they fostered a coup d'etat [in 2002] manufactured by the CIA . . . Recently,ReverendRobertson called for my assassination. This is a terrorist attack, according to international law. In Miami, on a daily basis, people on TV shows are calling for my assassination. This is terrorism.

This [present U.S.] government is a threat to humanity. I have confidence that the American people will save humanity from this government -- they will not allow it to [continue to] violate human rights and to invade countries.

you go, hugo

Photos, blogging, coverage of the DC march.

jaline, jaline...ought to be on the silver screen!

G7 warnings imply higher rates to come

Saturday's International Monetary Fund gathering and Friday's Group of Seven sessions heard ample warnings about the potential peril of "underpricing" dangers the economy faces.

Morning, Jaline!

It's pretty cool here, too, gregg, and looks like rain, which we also need. Many of the farmers in the area are having water trucked in due to the drought. I'm going to my granddaughter's first birthday party today. My daughter and her husband have a beautiful 11 acre place in the country, so hoping the rain holds off till later today.

gg! Silver screen? I'm in front of a computer screen in my jammies waiting on laundry to finish washing so I can hang it on the line. Reality tv, indeed.

{{{Cyn}}} How's it goin'?

I'm ready for a full blown Slacker Ass Sunday!

and of course sadly we have bush's folly:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- At least 22 people died and scores were wounded Sunday in a wave of new violence in Iraq, including a suicide bombing and a deadly armed robbery. Four bodies were also found.

carnage

1, 2, 3, cha, cha, cha

11th commandment repealed

The Republicans' 11th commandment — Thou shall not speak ill of other Republicans — was repealed at a weekend meeting of the party's executive committee.

see you all later. i need to get down to the gym and get back to my cardio fitness before i lose the ability to see my feet again.

has j been around at all?

Good morning,

I was looking up executive orders and found a whole slew of "directives", including one that defines what national security means.

"National security includes the defense of the United States of America, protection of our constitutional system of government, and the advancement of United States interests around the globe. National security also depends on America's opportunity to prosper in the world economy. The National Security Act of 1947, as amended, established the National Security Council to advise the President with respect to the integration of domestic, foreign, and military policies relating to national security. That remains its purpose. The NSC shall advise and assist me in integrating all aspects of national security policy as it affects the United States - domestic, foreign, military, intelligence, and economics (in conjunction with the National Economic Council (NEC)). The National Security Council system is a process to coordinate executive departments and agencies in the effective development and implementation of those national security policies"

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Now, the question I have is why does the federal government get involved in promoting the "opportunity to prosper in the world economy" when the market economy presumably regulates itself?
How come we have central economic planning when we know that practice led to the demise of the Soviet Union?

Wonder what the constitutional basis is for government by directive.

Jaline, you deserve a slacker ass day! However, if you are doing laundry, you are not following official slacker ass rules. ;-)

In any event, even by their standards the Bush Administration's national security agenda has failed.

Of course, what can one expect from an outfit the sets out to promote "America's opportunity to prosper" rather than prosperity itself.

"National security also depends on America's opportunity to prosper in the world economy"

Monica, I find that statement chilling.

Question for all,

Above, Gregg mentioned that the Pope was against the war in Iraq saying it was immoral. Now wasn't Roberts and a few more republicans Catholic? If so, couldn't they be excommunicated for this? If so, shouldn't we make sure the Cardinal and or the Pope knows about this?

Washington Post article about the demonstration yesterday . . .

Antiwar Fervor Fills the Streets

Click Here

meanwhile, in the finest republican tradition of taking political advantage of every national tragedy:

Rebuilding plan paving way for conservative goals

WASHINGTON -- Republican lawmakers in Congress have tried repeatedly in recent years to allow children to use federally funded vouchers to attend private schools. They have been defeated seven times since 1998.

At least nine times in the past decade, Republicans sought to repeal or undermine a Depression-era law that requires federal contractors to pay the ''prevailing wage" in the region they are working in. None of the efforts succeeded.

But now the GOP is poised to realize both of those goals. President Bush's reconstruction package for the Gulf Coast region devastated by Hurricane Katrina includes nearly $500 million for vouchers that children can use at private schools anywhere in the nation. And Bush declared a ''national emergency" to waive the prevailing wage law during the cleanup, freeing contractors to pay construction workers as little as the minimum wage, rather than the $8 to $10 prevailing wages in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi...As the federal government's response to Katrina takes shape, the White House and Congress are enacting or seeking to pass a wide range of policies that have been consistently rejected by Congress, despite Republican majorities in the House and Senate. The Bush administration has lifted the requirement that contractors have affirmative-action plans, is seeking to weaken clean-air standards in the Gulf region, and has shelved rules governing the number of hours truckers can work. Republicans in Congress have proposed allowing the EPA to waive all environmental regulations during the rebuilding.

Republicans say the moves are intended to help the region rebuild as fast as possible. Moreover, with as much as $200 billion headed to the states hit by Katrina, the White House and Congress want to be sure that the money is spent in accordance with conservative principles, emphasizing the free market and the strength of the private sector, said Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the Senate's third-ranking Republican.

''The conditions that people were living in I would argue were a result of liberal policies," Santorum said. ''And now we've got some alternative ideas -- give us an opportunity to try to positively impact the lives of the poor in these communities. . . . Let's try something different that may work, because what has been tried in the past hasn't worked."

Santorum blames liberals for tragedy

Monica, most economic priciples until the 1980's, were based on the idea that the business will stay in the US. All of Adam Smith and the "invisible hand" assumes the jobs stay here. The free market principle was ALSO based on jobs remaining in the US. Removing that restriction is like removing Euclid's fifth postulate; it creates a TOTALLY different universe of discourse from the original model. In effect, Global outsourcing destroys the economic underpinnings of the USA.

bb, when I walked into the hospital to have the operation, I heard some nurse talking to people in the waiting room. She said that liberals made those people so dependent, then she went on a tear about welfare, and concluded with, and that is why those people died. This is a rehash (more like a re-oxy)of Rush Limbaughs comments. That is the current spin they are putting on Katrina. The had to clean it up first, because when Rush concluded, the logic he used implied that each person should have built their own personal million dollar levee.

I almost walked. People that don't recognize the simple fact that FEMA was called, FEMA didn't come, People died, and create an elaborate stage version of what happened, will likely be beaten again by their abuser.

good morning all! lots to do today. my darling spouse is on a weekend spiritual retreat with her girlfriends and i haven't completed the thoughtful chorelist she provided. today: food shopping, laundry, floors, cook lovely dinner.

but lest you worry, as i am very much a MAN in the finest Muddy Waters tradition, there will also be golf, wax car, Red Sox vs. Orioles; Patriots vs. Steelers; president's cup golf and maybe even a film this evening to complete the weekend.

sounds like a bonus day to me.

On Chris Mathews a few seconds ago.

"We're tired of the partisan bickering" Less than two sentences after the same bimbo said Hillary Clinton was sticking her finger into the wind and hiding.

Go back to my theory above and it still holds. They claim WE are doing the partisan bickering, then they do it themselves. Further, they claim Democrats hide and stick their finger in the wind instead of being there, and that is EXACTLY what bush does CONSTANTLY!

My theory continues to hold.

"Have I mentioned lately how much I hate these people?" -- Mike Malloy

It looks like the repug spin doctors are at it again. I received the email below this morning and it initially pissed me off. However, when I thought about it, it is a great opportunity to reach people with the truth. The idiot that sent this to me also sent it to about 30 other people. So, I hit reply all and gave them the true details and also reminded them that every time this administration fails, they spin their failures into everyone's fault but theirs. It provided me with an opportunity to reach many people that I only know slightly with the truth. And, hopefully, change one voter from red to blue.

Subject: FROM A McCOMB, MISSISSIPPI RESIDENT
To my friends and family:

What I have seen since Katrina: The poor and the wealthy hurt by the storm. Black, white, Hispanic, Oriental and Indian all hurt by the storm. Christian people giving, giving, giving. Churches going all out to minister in Jesus' name. Neighbors going door to door helping one another. Thugs and hoodlums going door to door looking for someone vulnerable. Ice and water being fought over as police tried to keep the peace. People coming up from New Orleans taking over empty houses because shelters are full. Out of town volunteers coming with food and staying for now a week still serving it. The Churches all over this part of the country doing what Christians do in a crisis. The Red Cross doing a great job in the shelters. The Salvation Army doing a great job in the community. Four Hundred crewman from everywhere bring back the power to our homes, churches and businesses. Lines at service stations a block to a mile long. National Guardsman patrolling the streets of Mc Comb along with Kentucky policemen protecting us from the hoodlums and thugs of Mc Comb, Pike County and New Orleans (the most dangerous city in the world before Katrina.) Drug dealers working outside shelters. Doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel working tirelessly, even sleeping in the hospital to do the job God called them to do.

WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN
The ACLU setting up a feeding line. People for the American Way helping in the shelters. The NAACP doing any work whatsoever. The American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters. Jesse Jackson directing traffic at the gas stations. I could go on but you get my message. Its the Christian people with love and
compassion who do the work. The gripers in Congress should come on down and get in line to pass the water and the ice. Are you listening Hillary, Chuck, Teddy and all the sorry
loafers we call Senators and Congressmen. They don't have a clue as to what this life is all about here on the Gulf Coast.

Wow, as I read back on bb's 9:53 post and Shube's 10:21 post, it is the same theme that was included in that nasty email I received. The repugs are either getting pretty desparate or this is their famous "framing" where people don't really care about the facts.

Are people or business wishing to 'be allowed' contracts for the rebuilding of the gulf coast going to have to change teams to get said contracts?? We have already seen this dictatorship administration issue 'NO BID CONTRACTS' (can you say Haliburton?) I would prefer a group of 12th graders be put in charge of managing the accountability of where OUR tax dollar funds will go on this 'BuSh' project. Oh yeah.. I almost forgot.. 'isn't HE wonderful!?' Yes! He isn't!

Good day, Dems. A little fuel for the fire:

"For in a Republic, who is 'the country?' Is it the Government which is for the
moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant -- merely a
temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and
what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to
obey orders, not originate them." -- Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens]
(1835-1910)

Unfortunately, if my theory holds, that implies that AmercianPatriot either HAS or WANTS TO firebomb cars with bumper stickers that disagree with his point of view.

1) fix this BLOG!

2) Broussard just tore Tim Russert a new asshole on Meet the Press. Tim was spouting Republican talking points! Bastard!

If Hillary's plan is to lay back and not lead, then she isn't a leader I will NEVER vote for her for President.

Democrats don't give policy positions? BULLSHIT! Republicans don't hear our policy positions, because they have all the power and they REFUSE to listen to us.

i seen people talking about taxs,,,social securty is the only real tax left in america..and few upper income americans pay any...let me explain,,,no income from rental property is subject to social securty tax,,thats cars.houses.apt.equipment,,,so if you convert,,your income into rental property,,,and then recieve your disposible income from the rental property..you only pay federal taxs which are dirt cheap...no self employment tax,,,a tax professional can explain what i am talking about

A very good day to all.

The nation narrowly missed yet another oil supply danger again. But just like the days of the 1800's where a dependence on whale oil was long past it's due, the dependence on oil for much of the energy demands needs to be put to rest with crash programs to harnesss the clean and unlimited resources of the sun, wind and water.

One of my own relatives was the lead engineer for the Lear Jet steam turbine engine project. And I explore the declining state of the world's oil reserves as well as explore the history and future of clean alternate energy forms from the elements.

Home electrical costs could be cut as low as $14 a month with solar power for example. Democrats need to get out in front of modernization of America's energy needs as an issue. Check out this vitally important feature on energy at the link below. I welcome your comments as well.

PROGRESSIVE VALUES

Bush built his career on LIES. Look at the Ranch. Big photo-op Lie. Bush is from Connecticut, and is AFRAID of horses. He doesn't know SHIT about being a Texan, and he appears to know little about being an American.

Hey Will!

What channel is Russert on???

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 25, 2005 at 10:21 AM

Chris is the biggest coward on the planet!! (next to the NEOCONS)

zero original thought as well! (rut minded)

Sawmiller, I agree with your point that the Rich folk don't have to pay Social Security. My position is that:

1) Taxes are the dues we pay to create society.

2) If the government is running a deficit, tax cuts are NOT REAL tax cuts; they are taxes pushed onto the lower classes and deferred to the next generations.

3) Liberals want to leave the world in "as good or better" shape than they found it. Passing debt onto the next generation HURTS the next generation and goes AGAINST everything we stand for.

4) Government was created to protect the people from enemies foreign and domestic. Those enemies would EXPLOIT us if they have the chance. Putting them into government has allowed them to EXPLOIT us.

5) there are other taxes. All of them screw us. Property taxes hurt the middle class; but people making 40k - 60k a year will pay 125k for a house. This means that a house costs more than their yearly income. On the other hand is Bill Gates, making more than a Billion dollars a year, with a 6 million dollar house. HIS house costs less than 1/100th of his yearly income. Because property taxes are based on the value of the home, this implies that middle class folk are getting SCREWED.

We have meet the press on NBC.

I guess it's over

stuck watching that coward - drat.

6) That $300 tax cut? Replaced with 1000 plus dollars in additional gas prices EVERY year. Total redistribution of wealth.

I am watching one of the home shows now. Watching the others will damage my TV, sooner or later.

Hmm

INteresting - Chris has a cabal of PUGS with him and they are all saying Rummy messed up.

Shock.

most ranchers and farmers..dont know nothing about a farm..every rich man owns a little land called the farm..it will most likly have a small rental house..and a few cows...what a way not to pay sales tax..never seen a bulldozer sold that was not tax free on a farm waiver...and the building supplys that built your house may have been bought for a farm tax free...you dont have to have your income.. come from a farm to claim a farm waiver...just look at some dump truck tags

by the way the most poplar farm today is goat,,they can pretty much take care of themselfs..and you can even make money,,

That may be true in some places Sawmiller, but in the town where I am from, I picked grapes, strawberries, apples, peaches, and planted corn, beans, peas, tomoatoes, lettuce, watermelon, and one year, PUMPKINS! Nothing is more fun that watching pumpkins grow, IMO.

My sister Linda stuck a grape vine in my apartment's fenced back area. Damn thing takes over the whole back!

I worked on Lehman's fruit farm once, Sisson's farm, and this elderly lady who lived on Mechanic street and needed her grapes picked. I worked beside Greg Lehman, a personal friend, and the Sisson girls (who were hot!). My impression was that most of them were too proud to take money from the government, and it went against their belief system.

1) Fix this blog. It signed me out again. I think I will post "Fix this blog" every time it logs me out while I am in the middle of posting.

2) By the way, almost nobody in Girard would listen to country music. Rock and Roll all the time!

OMG I have to go throw UP!

Some lady on cspan called in and said Bush is the best President we've ever had and the Democrats have no right to call him names cuz Clinton was messing around with Paula Jones and Jennifer Flowers and Monica. And that God brought the hurricanes not Bush to send us a message ......

but then I had to turn it off and come here before I hurled! WHAT FREAKING KOOLAID DRINKER STILL THINKS BUSH IS WONDERFUL????

omg omg omg omg and then they smirk and grin (Kristol to Matthews) after the show ends like all the death and destruction they are causing (cuz HE voted for the demon) is no big deal??

I'm just sick to my stomach

bbl :-(( i really hate these people and their disregard for human suffering as long as it is not their own. really really.

It is the fault of the media for not straightening the stupid shit out! We have lost all fact based programming.

Dawn, did she sound like Karen Hughes? Because the MAJORITY of Americans know that bush sucks.

I don't hate bush. I hate the media that no longer speaks the truth or checks the stories. Bush is just an incompetent boob. He may or may not be evil as well, but he sure as hell is stupid. And he appears to be a pawn acting for "his base".

I don't even hate Cheney. As his son Luke Skywalker has said, "I know there is good in there somewhere." That doesn't excuse his actions, however.

Rumsfeld on defense: "You don't build a Death Star with the clones you want; you build it with the clones you have." ;)

Good day William Schubert.

I'm a former new wave rocker who opened shows for Frank Zappa's band and others, and I don't find anything wrong with country music, other than it's more limited creative style than rock than allows more artistic freedom.

It was actually Courtney Love and her then boyfriend which got me tossed as leader singer of a band in 1980. Which is back when she was actually respected as a "voice of reason".

But rock, country, jazz, blues, it's all cool to me. I can find something good in it all.

But I understand your point that the place you're talking about is progressive and country music is seen as too reactionary for the area.

PROGRESSIVE VALUES

there are a few farms left that do farm...many are gold mines..here in tn..a farmer pays dirt cheap labor...tells workers he is so broke ..he might not be able to plant next year...but spends over 100.000 on race cars..goats is just one way to make money..i got 4 which will kid in the next 2 weeks..should have at lest 8 kids..which will sell at lest 400..on goats it is allmost all profet,,,how much land does it take to grow 10,000 in sweet corn..or tomatoes..well do the math..dont be afraid to plant..it will sell faster than you can pick it

I am more of a Folk (Peter, Paul, and Mary, the Limelieters), Classical (Bach, Schubert, Rossini, Tchaikovsky...) and Rock(Meatloaf, Beatles, Gordon Lightfoot, Pink Floyd, Jefferson Airplane, Cindi Lauper).

Not Opera, unless you count Rocky Horror as opera.

Some musicals are good; others SUCK!

Bass clef good; treble clef, not so much.

I was never good at ad libbing music, but I was good at transposing the notes.

I can't stand Lieberman. He supported PUTTING "Brownie" in that job.!

Afternoon all. Just dropping by for a brief visit and wanted to share a bit of info I read in our daily paper in the editorial section from Dick Morris. It was entitled "Sept. 11 warning ignored". A snipit from this article says, The recent publication of some once-sensored parts of the 9/11 commission report reveals that, in 1998 fed intelligence sources had shared their concern that al Qaeda could be planning to use passenger planes as missiles on suicide raids against prominent targets in the U.S. This is the first time we've heard that the possiblilty of such a suicide mission was raised at the federal level during the "Clinton years"! It goes on with blah blah blah about why didn't Clinton do anything to stop the planned terrorist attacks since he was apprised of them well before Bush took office. I don't know what to make of all this but I have never really cared for Dick Morris or his spoutings! If this is true, than why didn't Clinton do anything? Provactive question at least!

God, I'm starting to sound like a troll. Sorry, but when I read the article it did make me stop to wonder! Is there any truth to this or is it more spin?

Is the Army Corps of Engineers part of the Army?

From one perspective, Clinton wanted to go after Osama, and the Republicans cried "No war for Monica" effectively STOPPING Clinton from getting Osama. So he was forced to thwart terrorist attempts in the US which he did, including attacks on the Space Needle and LAX. The Millenium plot was one such attack.

I see we have pumpkin growth watchers. It's more fun than most people think. Recently one of my pumpkins rolled and nearly picked itself. Not from storm damage, it was growing on a hillside and grew so large it shifted its center of gravity. It go so big it toppled itself.
I had a similiar problem with a watermelon. The watermelon devined itself so I ate it early. It turned out to be ripe. This sealed the fate of its siblings.
The pumpkin survived.

The Monica thing really got blown out of proportion. It was an embarrassing moment in our history thats for sure and it got more attention than it deserved. Its hard to do the things that are important for the country when you have such strong opposition.

the Bush shills love to OMIT pieces of information that would incriminate their guy. 15 of the 19 highjackers came BACK into this country in April of 2001 when bush was sucking up to the Taliban, giving them millions of dollars. bush ORDERED the investigation of the USS Cole to end, and took no action (he was privy to the results of that investigation, begun during the waning weeks of the Clinton administration.) Bush was in charge on 9/11, while Clinton was not. Clinton succeeded in thwarting any 9/11 style attacks in the US during his tenure. The best Osama could do is attack in Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which would be "over there" in the parlance of the bush administration.

The other half of the deal is that the Clinton haters kept saying they were morally superior, then they would put pictures and descriptions of the Clinton Lewinsky scandal in the public domain via the internet, that were OBVIOUSLY pornographic. Again, my theory above holds. Accuse us of being immoral, while being immoral themselves.

But the way Morris portrayed the whole thing is that Clinton could have prevented 9/11 from ever happening and he just sack back and waited for his term to end. 9/11 IMO was basically orchestrated to happen when Bush took office. There are some that believe that Bush actually had something to do with it. Who knows for sure.

I don't like watermelon as much, but it Is fun to watch it grow. I like pumpkins because if you do it right the result can be bigger than a dog!

They have always considered themselves "morally superior"! They hold the moral high ground or so I keep getting thrown in my face. I'm so tired of hearing how righteous the right is and dems are considered for the most part devil worshipers! What they are all about has nothing to do with Christianity. Its sickening!!!

Well, got lots to get done today. This is the only day of the week I can so I better get to it. Nice chatting with you Schube. BBL!

Bush sure as HELL could have stopped it. He had 52 DIRECT warnings, plus that book I posted the link to. The fact that the people who warned him were silenced, plus the NORAD operation that took place the morning of 9/11 make the whole thing suspect.

The NORAD operation? A PLANNED test to see how NORAD would react if terrorists used planes as weapons, flying them into buildings. Suspicious that they would be exercising for EXACTLY the same scenario that played out? And you wonder why some people think the bush crime family was in on it?

Also, it should be noted that the results of the recount came out on 9/11, proving once and for all that Gore won the election.

Morris is a toe sucking shill for the bush administration.

Later Ohio.

I have 3 pumpkins bigger than my dog. I was surprised how good my watermelons tasted. They were easy to give away. I am not sure what to do with one hundred pound pumpkins. I think I can give them away.
I tried to sell my habaneros with no luck. Frankly, they were hard to give away.

Wealthy people look morally superior. They seem to have better moral dilemmas. The Holiday Inn vs
Embasy Suites
The poor choose: Since we have been left to drown. Do we drown on the attic or out in the street?

Did anyone go to the peace protest in Washington on Saturday? I took some pictures of the protest and posted them on my blog.

nitwitplanet.blogspot.com

I realize that it's hard for the Democrats to get publicity for their policies but someone needs to try anyone. I am constatntly hearing these Republicans apologists such as Tim Russert and Chris Matthews say that Democrats have no policies. Someone needs to go on Meet The Press and Hardball and fight back. I don't think we can win by simply highlighting the numerous failing of Bush and the Republican Congress. Let's be clear about what we will do differently.

I have a few questions about what the democrats are up to these days and i was hoping that someone here could help.

1. Does Dean feel that the 50 state plan is enough to retake congress in 2006 or is there more to it?

2. Why is it that the democrats in congress rarely propose their own plans and solutions to our nation's problems? While i do support them challenging the republicans at every turn, which they have done, it does not seem that they are taking the offensive.

3. What is the democrat's plan to challenge the republican attack machine in 2006 and 2008?

4. Does Governor Dean have a plan to combat voter suppression and voter fraud?

5. Bush and the Republicans are more unpopular then they have been in a long time, yet the Democrats do not seem to be attacking as they should. Why is that?

6. Why do most of the Democrats refuse to go along with the anti-war movement in this country?

7. Right now the Democrats have a 7-12 point lead over the republicans for control of congress, what is Dean doing to ensure that they maintain and extend that lead?

8. Who does Dean feel would be the best Democratic candidate for 2008?

WHERE ARE THE IOWA DEMOCRATS?????

I thought there was to be a grass-roots effort to get more people involved. The Iowa Democratic party's group hasn't posted a new message in MONTHS, many counties don't even have websites, and the ones that do aren't even updated.

We're not a total loss here - we were almost blue in November.

I watched C-SPAN today and listened to about 2 minutes of our offensive Repug Rep Steve King blather on about the 'victory' in Iraq and other complete crap.

Pumpkins make good Jack o' Lanterns. Sell them at your local Halloween store! ;)

I agree with you rjsnj. I have read and posted ideas, but the right doesn't want to listen or acknowledge them. It remind me of a movie where YOU know what will happen, and you shout at the TV, but the people on the TV cannot hear you. The only difference is that when you put your ideas in newspapers or on the radio, they REFUSE to hear you, and then they claim you have no ideas! It is infuriating.

I didn't go because I had an operation on Friday, and am sitting here with a catheter. I don't want people seeing me like this. But I asked people to go in my place.

Dana, as I have said, the REAL division in this country is between us and the people who exploit us.

The oil companies gouge us even when there ISN'T a disaster. What would force them to STOP gouging when there IS a disaster?

1) please fix this blog

2) Jack, I have to idea on some of your questions, it would be nice if Dean would blog like he did on DFA.

3) I am afraid that if the voting machies are not adressed, there will never be another fair election in this country. We might as well raise the Nazi flag with bush's face in place of the swatika, and the words "Fourth Reich" on the bottom.

4) People like Hillary and Leiberman get their funding from the same people that bush gets his. That is why they don't speak out. They feed from the same trough. We need people who are willing to buck the corporatists, not (anything that rhymes with buck) the corporatists.

5) Conyers and Boxer represent me much more than Hillary or Lieberman do. Because they care about people.

Later folks, my 4 hour shift is over ;)

High gas prices are a boon to people with lots of disposable money. The road conjestion decreases because people with little money have to curtail their driving habits. Its fun to sport around in light traffic. High prices are fun!
Since we have troops in the field, now good americans should consider gas rationing. Give these guzzlers their 10 gallons and let um cruse.

I think I should duck out myself. Skip the death threats.

Accuse us of being immoral, while being immoral themselves.

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 25, 2005 at 01:01 PM

Put another way, "If you want to live like a republican: elect a democrat." A quote from Harry S. Truman.

Oh yeah one last thing. Next time, what we should do is get a train with a lot of flat cars. people could drive their cars on so that the cars are perpendicular to the train; you could get a lot of cars on that way, and they could just drive on. They sit in their cars as the train moves away from the storm. Flat cars could be made available for walkers as well, and a food truck could be set up for people to eat. Yes it would be unconventional for cars to be perpendicuar, but it would solve the transportation problem.

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 25, 2005 at 02:26 PM

What about the same type rail cars that transport new cars from the factory to final distribution point? For that matter, our whole highway system is part of our f***ing problem to begin with!! I'll bet anybody in any country in the world (with acces to world news) saw our lack of mass transportation infrastructure as completely asinine. HOW DO YOU EVACUATE 5 MILLION PEOPLE ON FOUR OR FIVE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS USING THEIR OWN STUPID AUTOMOBILES, WHILE PAYING FOR THE LIMITED SUPPLY OF PETROL? Even our evacuation schemes reek of survival being whom has the biggest pile of cash.

Going back to the quote from Truman I posted earlier, September 25, 2005 at 02:16 PM, Truman was referring to the fact that dems are human and reflect that upon the electorate. On the other hand, Repubs try to look super human and try to reflect their positions of superiority over their electorate. This point is what scared the repubs after Goldwaters defeat in 1964. Their world was going to hell because these evil humans were gaining strength in our country and displaying their aweful human-ness all over the place.

Repubs will always believe that one must be above another in order to lead. Henceforth, any equal rights are bad; civil, womans, etc. That is why Rove's spin is so important to this president. Hierarchy at all cost, with the great white male at the top, THAT IS THE GOOD OL' BOYS CLUB (AKA: GOP).

God praise ex-President Clinton, he came, he saw, and it was good. He now is welcomed into the good ol' boys club. Who could blame him? The desensitization process he went through for eight years give him the right to assume a place in the club. If it were not him to display his human-ness the club would not be where they are at today. God is good!! It is written!! Kill the king; and f*** queen, so we can live another day.

Senator Robert Byrd said, and wrote in his book, that he overheard several of Bush's folks during his first campaign say that they were going to start a war so they could use it to win a re-election. I remember shortly after this was said, Byrd spilled the beans on them but it was quickly hushed up by the media. Bush was elected then the towers came tumbling down. Now to me this was over one or two things. Bush was either in cahoots with Osama Bin-Laden like it was proven his family was, and asked then to do this so a war could have been started, or Bin-Laden knew it was coming and figured he would get the first lick. However, there was an awful lot of information that they were going to do it while Bush and his administration let it slide for some reason. Clinton done his part to keep this from happening, the 9/11 bi-partison commission proved that. Now you tell me who was the cause of it?

Oh, well, so much for my opinions. I wish I had as much time as Schubert, but I must reattach the collar and get ready to go to work. Did not see my son yet today, he is staying at my sister's house so I can work this God awful shift crap. However, it is money they say; and my need for it is equal to my hatred of it. All [if there is an all here today] have a good day.

Will_Matney,

Just one last post!!:) Also, 14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian [as is Osama} and the Saudis' never had any love for Saddam and actually feared his supposed WMD's. The cover-up being complete mostof the leaked info point to a Saudi/American relationship to this man-made crisis.

From the NY Times,

Quote;

Next Court Nominee May Face Challenges From G.O.P.

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: September 25, 2005

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 - As President Bush moves to fill the second vacancy on the Supreme Court, he faces a new challenge in finding a jurist who can not only withstand Democratic scrutiny but hold together the support of Senate Republicans as well.

Polls have shown Mr. Bush's approval ratings near the lowest levels of his presidency. And Senate Republican strategists say that since his nomination of Judge John G. Roberts Jr. to the court, members of their conference have grown increasingly willing to disagree with the White House, notably on matters like stem cell research, Mr. Bush's choice for ambassador to the United Nations and the war in Iraq.

Some, including Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee, the majority leader, and Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, a member of the Judiciary Committee, are considering their own bids for the presidency.

Now, both socially conservative and more liberal Republican senators say they may vote against confirmation of the next nominee if the pick leans too far to the left or the right on prominent issues like abortion rights.

Any Republican defection could provide cover for Democrats who want to oppose confirmation, protecting them politically in Republican-leaning states. Democrats have vowed to dig in for a tough fight over the nominee to succeed Justice Sandra Day O'Connor because she was a pivotal swing vote on the court.

"It is going to be different," said Senator Lincoln Chafee, Republican of Rhode Island, who is socially liberal and has said he will vote to confirm Judge Roberts.

Mr. Chafee said he would apply a more skeptical standard to the next nominee because of the balance of the court and might even oppose a jurist similar to Judge Roberts. "I will be looking very carefully" at the next nominee's views on privacy rights, "separation of church and state," and the scope of federal power, he said.

Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, a Republican who supports abortion rights and has said she will vote to confirm Judge Roberts, took a similar view. She previously voted to confirm some of Mr. Bush's appeals court nominees who met stiff liberal opposition, like Judge Priscilla R. Owen and Judge Janice Rogers Brown, two people said to be on Mr. Bush's shortlist. But Ms. Snowe said she might not support either one for the Supreme Court.

"This is certainly a different level of evaluation," Ms. Snowe said, "especially because of the balance of power on the court."

On the conservative side of the party, Mr. Brownback and Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, another member of the Judiciary Committee, devoted much of their time for questioning Judge Roberts to delivering messages to the White House about the importance of overturning precedents supporting abortion rights.

In an interview last week, Mr. Brownback said he would vote against a nominee who was not "solid and known" on cultural issues like abortion, same-sex marriage and religion in public life.

"If the president doesn't nominate a solid nominee, that is going counter to what he campaigned on," Mr. Brownback said. And if such a nominee "involves a contentious battle, then let it be."

"I think you are going to see a contentious battle regardless of who is nominated," he added, "even if it is Judge Roberts's twin brother."

Underscoring the fine line the nominee must walk, Mr. Coburn said he would vote against someone who spoke in agreement or disagreement with the major abortion rights precedents in the next confirmation hearings because that would constitute a prejudging of the issue.

"I think if somebody is foolish enough to say that to me," Mr. Coburn said, "they are not going to be a good judge."

Others have sent more subtle signals. Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania and chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said last week that he suggested to the president that he should try to keep Justice O'Connor on the bench for a year, an idea that angered conservatives who said Mr. Bush had promised to move the court to the right.

In an interview, Mr. Specter said he believed the president could still command the support of Senate Republicans but added that a Supreme Court confirmation "brings into sharp focus independence and separation of power."

He continued: "People are more likely to look at this one with more independence as opposed to party line. I think it is pretty hard to vote party line on the Supreme Court."

Senator Trent Lott, Republican of Mississippi, said Senate Republicans might resist the president on budgetary and other matters, but they were in broad agreement about the need for more conservative judges. "There are a couple of people who I might have difficulty supporting," Mr. Lott said, "but I don't think he is going to pick one of those."

End Quote.

Now why the hell didn't the GOP vote against Roberts since they now say they feel this way? I think this is a little hypocritical if you ask me. Stll though, you can see who some of the hard-line conservatives are who want to have someone like Pat Robinson as a surpreme court justice.

Mrs. Barbara Bush (former 1st lady) has a lot of nerve offering advice on how to raise children.

Let's review......Granddaughters caught drinking in a bar under age. Photos taken of Jena sticking tongue out at photographers.

Sons are alcoholics.....Neil steals millions from seniors in leisure world, George ex-cocaine addict. Jeb's son gets busted for drunk driving

So with all due respect Mrs. Bush, keep your child-rearing advice to yourself!

about 2 weeks ago,,,when the hurricane hit china...they moved over 1 million people in less than 2 days....maybe we should go ask them how it is done...and as far as i know,,they dont need to borrow money to rebuild...if they ever figure out how poor the usa has become,,,i just wonder if they will keep loaning us money..to be stole by corrupt politicians....like clinton said...you better hope the cows dont come home to soon

has any one been keeping up with how the FCC is going to regulate political blogs such as this one..

sorry thats the FEC,,and i understand some members of congress want them shut down

This Lady is a Fucking Nut!!!

Cindy Sheehan:
"I am watching cnn and it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain...it is bad, but there are other things going on in this country today...and in the world"

Are you saying you think Cindy Sheehan is a fucking nut?

Luke,

I can see where she's coming from. Not hardly any TV coverage has been done that I've seen about a march on Washington with anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 people maeching against the war. I don't agree with what she said about the hurricane though like it's insugnificant, but the fact remains, why didn't the TV networks cover this? The news papers did, but not everyone reads the paper. Of course you have large republican owned corporations who advertize with these television networks who could say they'll pull their advertizing if the cover it. Plus, let's not loose the fact that Bush used Rita to hide from the march saying he needed to go there and learn, BS!

Luke,

I can see where she's coming from. Not hardly any TV coverage has been done that I've seen about a march on Washington with anywhere from 150,000 to 300,000 people marching against the war. I don't agree with what she said about the hurricane though like it's insignifigant, but the fact remains, why didn't the TV networks cover this? The news papers did, but not everyone reads the paper. Of course you have large republican owned corporations who advertize with these television networks who could say they'll pull their advertizing if the cover it. Plus, let's not loose the fact that Bush used Rita to hide from the march saying he needed to go there and learn, BS!

because she recognizes that the media is using this as a DIVERSION this time, unlike Katrina, which started as a diversion and turned into a true disaster thanks to the bush crime family? This is a photo-op hurricane -- nobody died, except the bus of elderly people. FEMA came immediately, unlike what they did in New Orleans.

Somebody does need to fix this blog. Not only is it not keeping you logged in but my first post above was posted when I sent it to priview making a double post with the first not being edited.

Hey, I've heard that those pro-Bush rallies are just full of secretly infiltrated Army recruiters. They go to get your name, age, how many kids you have, etc.

That appears to have been the reason for "registering" for the Pentagon's Freedom walk: to identify the recruiter target group.

i seen where some one asked if the core of engineers were regular army ..yes they build roads bridges and all other types of construction..on the battle field,,often under fire...and fighting back...any army man will tell you ..the are vital to warfare..before the crooked politicians out source .so they could steal the money,,,every job in the army was done by army...and even the cooks were called into combat

Beverly Hills Cop on Comedy Central

If so Bill, good!

i have seen some news of the march...but it seems the media is pro war...can you blame them..during the kerry campaign...there was talk of that republican senator running on his ticket,,,this morning he was on tv defending the war...and i am sure kerry is still voting for and against it...am i the only one who believes. that the campaign was just a sham to keep bush in white house

There's a great song on this part of the Stephanie Miller show. It's about 3 or 4 minutes after the start. Right Wing World starts right after that.

stephaniemiller

and did howard dean..take a fall...for the job hes got now...how could a man who could not win..be able to lead a party to win....sounds like mike brown and his job

You've got a lot of "nutty" ideas sawmiller. Howard Dean is not "the leader of the Democratic Party". He's just the Chairman of the DNC.

Domingo, I see what Sawmiller is saying. It kinda felt to me like Kerry took a dive, especially when he gave up while the whole election was still in the air. The MAIN thing though, is to make CERTAIN we have a good candidate next time (Not Hillary or Lieberman) and make sure the voting machines WORK. Then we need to expose EVERY act of intimidation.

As for Dean, he started out as chairman of the DNC, an accounting job for the most part, and he has turned it into something greater. I am impressed.

I still prefer Conyers, who fought for my right to vote!

well hes the only one i see on tv,,representing the democrats,,,and the only democrat the news media is concerned about

I'm ready for a full blown Slacker Ass Sunday!
Posted by Jaline on September 25, 2005 at 08:38 AM

Me too, Jaline. I'm not getting it, though. On my one day off from election work, there's lots of stuff to do around the house -- the perfectly reasonable "honey do" list (just in case my wife is reading this.)

Our election went very well. There are the now expected Republican moans about how we let all the felons and dead people vote, but since the county voted 63% Democrat, I think their problem is more a lack of a live, honest constituency.

i was keeping up with kerry pretty close,,and every time i thought,, i knew what he was saying he changed his mind,,,then i was watching on tv..they said he ways to the left..but he might pick a running mate to balance the ticket...then he picked edwards..i said no way...common sense told me that would not work...hell democrats were voting republican just to stop him,,,i wonder how many republicans voted for bush..and how many dems did

That is how Dean took anaccounting job and turned it into so much more. The media, which is pretty much controlled by the bush crime family, used the "Dean Scream" to destroy Dean. When he was elected chairman, they hung on his every word, waiting for a tidbit they could use to attack him and the Democrats. They were hoping to get something live and unscripted. And Dean fed it a little, saying that no Republican has ever done a hard days work, and implying that the Republican Party has been taken over by the religious right.

The funny part was that Dean said it in a conversational, almost deadpan tone, and Hannity tried to spin it like Dean was "shrill" and "unhinged". For the time being, they will continue to follow Dean to see if he says anything they can use against us. But he gets a live audience and tells people what Democrats are about instead, that we are about helping other people at all times.... and our party gets a GOOD name, not a bad name!

Sawmiller, fact is that they lied to you on that one too. According to the group that ranks the Senators from Liberal to conservative, Kerry was the 29th most liberal Senator, and Edwards was the 45th. So there were 28 other senators serving who were MORE liberal than Kerry, and 44 more than Edwards. Yet they tried to sell you and everyone on this idea that Kerry was the "uber-liberal". Truth is, Kerry wasn't much better than Lieberman or Zell... I take that back. Not much better than Lieberman. Zell Miller was the 71st most liberal Senator, or the 29th most conservative!

I thought Kerry took a dive when he decided to go windsurfing. They TOTALLY used that against him, and he SHOULD HAVE KNOWN how that was going to look.

Even Jon Stewart was disappointed with Kerry.

Actually though, bush changed his mind much more than Kerry, but Kerry was not as skilled at deflecting the BS as Clinton was. bush Senior ALSO tried to paint Bill Clinton as a Flip-Flopper, but Clinton didn't let them get away with it. Kerry was so inarticulate that he would spend a half hour saying what I could say in 5 words; "Bush shouldn't have done x".

if dean had stayed in the race he would of won...ask your self how could he have lost the primaries..he scarred the hell out of republicans..i believe the dean scream was a put on...and he still couldnt lose ,if he had stayed in..you can only rig so many votes in so many states,,,and no body knew kerry,,and today barely remember who he was

Out of the 9 primary candidates, I ranked Kerry SEVENTH. By the way, here is the quiz, if you want to see how you rank. Select Smart Presidential Selector

i am wonder why we got so many DR in goverment on both sides today...and whats really wrong with health cost

And Dean fed it a little, saying that no Republican has ever done a hard days work,

Not picking on ya Schube, I think 95% of the way you do, but, Dean did NOT say "no Republican has ever done a hard days work", he said "a lot of them have never done a hard days work in their lives". He was referring to the Republican elites running our goverment. The mistake he made was not specifying who he was talking about. When he went on the Chris Mattews show about a week later Chris chewed him out by saying "Dr Dean, I've got to tell you, my parents, hard working Republicans that they are, didn't like you saying 'no Republican has ever done a hard days work'" and Dean didn't correct him. Our guys can't let these Repugs twist their words around and get away with it. That's how they were able to get people to believe that Al Gore said he invented the internet and discovered Love Canal causing folks to think Al was a liar and W always told the truth.

I ranked them:

1) Clark

2) Dean

3) Edwards

4) Sharpton

5) Kucinich

6) Braun

7) Kerry

8) Gephardt

9) Lieberman

Domingo, I agree with you as much, and I liked what Dean said, although I may have misstated it. As for Gore, we know he won, but you are right, he would exaggerate (I was waiting in the waiting room for 1000 years) and they would make it out as if it was a lie. I blame anyone who bought that crap, and the media who sold it. Including CNN, who is the most insidious of the right wing networks. At least everyone KNOWS when they turn to Fox News, that they are going to get a story spun so far to the right that it could create a small hurricane in Austrailia!

Happy Sunday everyone! Bit concerned by the headline on the front page of our right leaning Seattle Times...

"Bush told U.S. needs national plan to coordinate search and rescue efforts after natural disaster, attack"

I'm sure it's just me being paranoid...but it makes me nervous that Bush would consider such a move on US soil.

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) (no one fits here)

2. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (80%) well, well, that's cool

3. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (79%) (last time Kerry was below Clark)

4. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (77%)

5. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (77%)

6. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (72%)

7. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (68%) Click here for info

8. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (49%) Click here for info

9. Bush, President George W. - Republican (16%) CHOKE

ok maybe this time I took it with different priority levels than the last time.

Another interesting read....I wonder how many other states have similar rules

11th commandment repealed

The Republicans' 11th commandment — Thou shall not speak ill of other Republicans — was repealed at a weekend meeting of the party's executive committee

So I guess Cheney's knee surgery was a success and he's no longer in "his last throws"?

Dangers of a Drunk Dubya

hmmm, I took the test and came up with (I chose any/all possible candidates, even if not yet come forth to declare intentions to run, etc): David Cobb, Ralph Nader, Walt Brown, Rev Al Sharpton, Howard Dean, Wesley Clark, Carol Mosley-Braun, Dennis Kucinich, and John Kerry - for top ten. I guess I'm more radical than I thought! ;)

Karen

I took out 3rd party candidates and did it that way. Otherwise, Cobb has 89percent along with Nadar. (too weird to believe) lol

1) Please fix this blog.

2) I am surprised and glad they still have that survey out there.

3) I thought he lost his knees in his last fight with Obi-wan Kenobi.

well i would rather have a trained miltary officer any day take charge...than some punk criminal, local cop with a gun and a badge,,,that local is much more likely to rob you and then shoot you,,,and his boss may be his dad or uncle..cops are as dangerous than drug dealers

Schubert - I was convinced that the "knee" surgery was actually bipass surgery (since they take out ligaments or something from the knee to use in bipass surgery), but I'm guessing even the GOP machine can't fake that one?!

Dawn - ok, good, glad I'm not the only one ;)

Anyone heard from/about DPD, speaking of heart surgery?

Posted by Dawnelle on September 25, 2005 at 06:09 PM

Dawn our list was identical, the percentages were a bit different. :)

Hey Dawnelle, remember when you said you couldn't make it in time from 6 to 9AM to listen to the Stephanie Miller Show? Guess what, from the Stephanie Miller website Schube posted, you can listen to one hour segments of her show anytime you want, and it's commercial free, so each "one hour" is 37 and a half minutes long, so it even takes up less of your time than listening live. Webpage below.

http://www.stephaniemiller.com/podcasting/Itemid,72/

Karen

I've just popped by for a few. Been entertaining a bit today and catching up before my shows tonight. I put out a candle yesterday for him.

I hope you are feeling better too Schube?

Domingo

You're sweet. I've had her link for a while now. I caught the first hour from Friday but not the last two.

She's one I try to listen to as often as possible along with AL, Randy and the rest at Air America.

Thanks though :-)

Yeah, I haven't been on since early Friday, I don't think - pop in once in a while, but frequently don't post.

Anyone heard from any of the DC-bound folks (soooo jealous)

Posted by Kristen on September 25, 2005 at 06:16 PM

dats coo! ;-)

Came across a little different for me today, but that is ok.

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) 2. Cobb, David - Green Party (92%)
3. Nader, Ralph - Independent (85%)
4. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (84%)
5. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (80%)
6. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (78%)
7. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (78%)
8. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (77%)
9. Brown, Walt - Socialist Party (73%)
10. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (66%)
11. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (65%)
12. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (65%)
13. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (51%)
14. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (36%)
15. Badnarik, Michael - Libertarian (27%)
16. Peroutka, Michael - Constitution Party (20%)
17. Bush, President George W. - Republican (5%)

HA! Will see that's how I FEEL my results for BUSH should read! Not any stinken 14 percent of diddly!

And I like Clark much better than (no offense) kerry or edwards at this point but do have a new appreciation of Dean. Apparently it wouldn't take much to swing me back to their side as they were all pretty close.

That's good to know. (for me)

Congress should not respond to Hurricane Katrina by adopting extreme proposals to sell off national parks to developers, expand our increasingly dangerous dependence on oil, or end funding for clean water projects, said REP America, the national grassroots organization of Republicans for Environmental Protection.

ems.org

Dawn, I hope to be feeling better tomorrow, after this is over. At the moment though, owww!

Aw! (sorry Will) I have not-so-fond memories of surgery as well so I FEEEEEEL your pain!

I hope you have medicine for pain relief!

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all pick ourselves up by our father's "bootstraps" the way Junior did?

Wouldn't It Be Nice

I guess no one has heard from any marchers?

I was disappointed in the ending of that cspan coverage. Who ever decided to time everyone equally was a fool! Some issues are current and more pressing imo.

I think someone had a hidden desire to make us look bad. Maybe it was just Joan and I being paranoid yesterday but it made me feel that way.

Domingo,

link no workie

yes dawn, I do.

Dawn I got the same distinct impression when C-Span was showing the speakers yesterday, and under the name of one of them, they had "Terrorist - 1987"

At around 1 pm yesterday.

can any one tell me about the green party..and what they believe,,,thats the good and bad..

Let's see if this works.

http://www.emp3world.com/mp3/48669/Beach Boys/Wouldn`t It Be Nice

The US Green Party

Lieberman - DINO - practically a Rethug. Why don't we just throw him out?

yeah, why DON'T we just throw Lieberman out? He REALLY pisses me off!@

This is why Junior and the Right Wing Neocons are going to lose the whole Middle East. Because the morons don't know anything about winning "hearts and minds". Wait until the insurgents spread to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kawait and Egypt. The moron is making us "less safe".

New Reports Surface About Detainee Abuse

Mistreatment Was Routine, Soldiers Say.

Two soldiers and an officer with the Army's 82nd Airborne Division have told a human rights organization of systemic detainee abuse and human rights violations at U.S. bases in Afghanistan and Iraq, recounting beatings, forced physical exertion and psychological torture of prisoners, the group said.

Washingtonpost

Afternoon {{everyone}}

Evening Cin! :-)

BBL - my show is on! Peace!!!!

1) please fix this blog

2) can you at least DEFINE Free will before you lose your marbles?

3) Does this mean that if you Free Will, you will go to Hell? Or does it have something to do with a whale? ;)

Hi Schube. How you feeling? Everything go ok? I've been on vacation and haven't blogged in a week. Sorry I missed Dawn.

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) Click here for info
2. Cobb, David - Green Party (84%) Click here for info
3. Nader, Ralph - Independent (84%) Click here for info
4. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (82%) Click here for info
5. Brown, Walt - Socialist Party (73%) Click here for info
6. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (72%) Click here for info
7. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (69%) Click here for info
8. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (67%) Click here for info
9. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (65%) Click here for info
10. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (63%) Click here for info
11. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (61%) Click here for info
12. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (57%) Click here for info
13. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (52%) Click here for info
14. Badnarik, Michael - Libertarian (42%) Click here for info
15. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (35%) Click here for info
16. Peroutka, Michael - Constitution Party (32%) Click here for info
17. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (17%) Click here for info
18. Bush, President George W. - Republican (11%) Click here for info

I am pissed off that Bush gets any percentage! And, Gov. Dean, how about another run?!?

It went ok, I guess. They take the catheter out tomorrow, and I can't wait!

Schube - ouch! What's up with the free will guy?

I don't know. He won't tell us what he means, he just says the same thing over and over. It's almost as if he didn't know how converations work!

Hi everyone that's still here!

Also, it should be noted that the results of the recount came out on 9/11, proving once and for all that Gore won the election.
Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 25, 2005 at 01:08 PM
Schube what do you mean by this? I hadn't heard anything like this (which surprises me).

"nitwitplanet.blogspot.com"
Posted by alvagoldbook on September 25, 2005 at 01:26 PM
Great blog! I posted a comment. :)

If anyone thinks John Kerry took a dive, just think about what Lieberman did. Lieberman contradicted everything Al Gore said during the 2000 campaign. Every time Gore said something, Lieberman would disagree with it on Fox News later. Then after the vote count and Junior was still behind behind by 500 votes even after Jeb threw out tens of thousands of Gore's votes, Jeb came up with 1000 unmarked absentee he wanted counted. Gore said if they weren't legaly post marked they can't be counted. Lieberman sided with the Republicans like usual and said he thought they should be counted and they were, causing Gore-Lieberman to loose by 537 votes. Is that taking "a dive" or what?

Hi Chuck.

{Cin} Good to see you! Everything OK on your end of the country? Excepting the criminals running it, of course. ;)

Free will-

I just chose to post this. Not very deterministic, huh?

Hang on, I will find it.

If there was no such thing as free will, it would be on such a grand scale that the human mind couldn't comprehend it anyway. In other words, if the universe was deterministic and we were just "going through the motions", thinking we were making choices, we wouldn't know the difference and in a relative way- IT WOULDN'T MATTER! :)

Chuck, did you see the link to Brad's blog I posted yesterday? It talks about the Diebold vote count tampering.

HAHAHA! I only got a 2% match with Junior!! You're all jealous :D

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 25, 2005 at 07:14 PM

That hurts just to read it!

Schubert - I didn't know you had surgery, too!! Get well soon!!

Posted by Domingo on September 25, 2005 at 07:28 PM

Yeah, I already had that one bookmarked, but THANKS!

I'm working on a special election fraud entry & have been researching a lot. :)

{KAREN}

Chuck, I'm fine, just a little tired. Just got back from vacation. I'm worried that Ahnold might win on his "re-election" bid. Hope not but you never know.

Karen-

How's your foot, shoulder & BODY, btw? :)

Yo Chuck! Live-time and everything!!

Cin - I can't imagine the Gov winning. First of many to go DOWN, I HOPE.

Posted by CalCin on September 25, 2005 at 07:31 PM

Cin-

Is there any truth to the Robin Williams/Warren Beatty rumors?

Posted by itstheoilstupid on September 25, 2005 at 07:31 PM

Well, since I don't believe in any of the world religions, I can relax then.

Chuck, I don't know but I somehow doubt that Warren would run. I think Warren has been political but I just don't think he would run. Too much baggage on him. I hadn't heard anything about Robin Williams running but I've been out of the loop on the news the last week. My brother-in-law said he thinks Carl Reiner is running but I haven't read anything about him either.

Chuck - went mushroom picking today with the family - I'll have some new pics on my blog tomorrow probably. So, the ankle is feeling better most days. Ditto the shoulder. The body is begging for better treatment, which I'm starting to comply with. Drastic reduction of alcohol units helps tremendously ;). How's your back? Wow, we really are the walking (sometimes NOT) wounded, aren't we? That must be why the highest percentage of like votes on that candidate selection quiz was for health care - over 70%

Karen, I hope you're right! I believe a lot depends on who the Dems will have run against Ahnold.

Every time Gore said something, Lieberman would disagree with it on Fox News later.

During the Democratic primary in the end of 2003 and the begining 2004 every American city Howard Dean traveled to and speak in, Joe Lieberman would call the local Fox News chanel in that town afterwards and disagree with everything Dean said. He seems to have a habit of doing that, doesn't he?

Karen, my goodness what happened to your ankle and shoulder?

now lets leave al gore out of this....he is in a 12 step program ..for recovering politicians..when he was flying hurricane victems to knoxville, he refused to talk to media or be photograph..he is now nearly cured..and wants to become a comedian..

Cin-

Yeah. I had forgot about Reiner. He would be a good run against the gropinator. Who better than the liberal meathead? HA!HA!

Karen-

Glad to hear you're getting better. Sorry to hear about the alcohol reduction. My back? Fucked for good, I'd say.

Or was that Rob Reiner? I'm mixed up I think. :)

Did any Dems vote for Roberts?

Well, that is Lieberman selling Gore out. Probably one of the reasons Gore didn't endore him.

I'm seriously worried about the ability of the big-name Dems these days. We need a charismatic, realistic, sincere, intelligent, honest group of folks who are also good business people (ie - can bring in the money needed to win) and able to rally people (ie base) to a cause that's worth fighting for. Certainly these people exist somewhere?

Chuck, it's Rob. I think he would be a good candidate as well. I think he would be taken more seriously than Warren. IMO

Rob Reiner WAS "meathead" on All in the Family. The South Park people hate him, but they are repugs anyway.

Karen, you forgot to mention the most important quality - cahones against the Repugs and the media. IMO

Posted by itstheoilstupid on September 25, 2005 at 07:38 PM

Oh, I know the world is tubing fast, I just don't believe in an omnipotent being overseer, is all.

Schube-

Did you see my earlier question to you about the vote fraud being verified on 9/11/01?

I didn't get that.

The three committee Democrats who voted for Roberts -- Russell Feingold and Herbert Kohl of Wisconsin and Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont -- have liberal voting records, and their votes dismayed many groups important to the party's base. - the washington post

Senate Panel Endorces Roberts

oops - endorses, not endorces

Schube, the South Park people are Repugs, really? My husband likes that show (I can't get into it). Really, I thought they made fun of Repugs/bush.

Cin - oh, you're right - balls/breasts of steel - definite quality that's needed.

Thanks Karen. I can't believe Feingold & Leahy voted for him. Do they vote again when it goes to Congress?

Posted by Karen on September 25, 2005 at 07:42 PM

I wish more people could think and articulate like you. Your blog just keeps getting better & better and I'm serious!

I look forward to seeing your new pictures. I'd like to put some new family ones up, but I can't find my scanner cord & I'm too poor to buy a digital camera. :(

Chuck - bummer about the back - can't imagine a worse thing to screw up! Cin - oh, it was a while ago, but a couple doozies - sprained ankle, 4 weeks later popped shoulder out of its socket, both things were reoccurring injuries so very slow to heal - dragging my feet (ahem, pun intended) about going to orthopedic specialist 'cause afraid of surgery.

and wants to become a comedian..Posted by sawmiller

When Bill O-lie-ly caught some flack for saying he wished hurricane Katrina flooded the United Nations and he wouldn't save them, he said later "can't people take a joke? I was just trying to be a comedian!" When Man Coulter got her falsy caught in a ringer she claimed she's just a comedian too. They just can't understand why people take them so serious what being the comedians that they are.

Hey, maybe your scanner cord is the same place as my printer cord!! Actually, we have a printer without a cord, but two cords with no electronics that appear to go with them, and neither works on the printer. weeeeeiiiiiiirrrrrrd

oh, and thanks - being pissed off really helps with creative writing, I've noticed ;}

Yeah Karen. I've got four discs now that are almost completely disinegrated. Surgery isn't an option, because I know too many people that have had that & they are a lot worse. I'll just keep getting neurotomies done.

Karen, just read the article you provided a link for. I'm sorry, but Leahy sounded like a wimp. "I hope Pres Bush blah blah blah". Hope?! Please. Also, the "I voted with my hope and not fear" was dumb too.

YIKES {{CHUCK}}. Guess you and I are waiting for better replacement parts - I'm waiting for a titanium ankle that can withstand all the clutsiness I subject it to.

Cin - where was your vacation?

ITOS - He's coming back for the oil, isn't he? Wow, Bush is really fucked!!

Cin - yeah, I need to find this great article I read in graduate school about politicians really needing "soft hearts" and "hard heads", whereas they demonstrate the exact opposite currently. And this was back in 1994!!

Lost my post. Karen, we went to San Diego. Sea World, Zoo, Lego Land, outlet mall. I'm tired.

Oh, wow, just found it - it's a book, musta read a blurb from it. And, it's about economics, that strange thing that eludes the corrupt, hypocritical GOP that still tries to pretend to be the fiscally responsible party. THIS is the crap the Dems need to confront - GOP getting away with calling themselves conservative and calling Dems "radical". sigh.

Anyway - click for the link - which is actually the Washington Monthly review for it in, gasp, 1988. I'm so ooooold

itstheoilstupid-

Nope. Sorry. Not one.

Anybody see Andrea Mitchell on Bill Maher Fri? I don't like her. Bill asked her about a Rather quote along the lines that reporters today are afraid to report the truth and are being censored by the corporate run stations. She looked straight ahead and flatly said it wasn't true. She then later said maybe "some" "self censor" but the executives and higher ups don't censor the reportes. I really dislike her.

oops - reportes = reporters

Here's the .pdf intro to the book. Ok, shutting up now about the book.

Karen, thx - bookmarked it.

Cin-

Andrea Mitchell.

She's not big enough to admit the truth we all know. So basically, she is worthless.

I remember her election night on Harball (at the desk). She was terribly annoying then- especially as I was sweating bullets anyway.

i got a few titanium plates holding some bones together,,,they still ache..so titanium aint the answer

Posted by Karen on September 25, 2005 at 08:06 PM

Am I the only one who absolutely despises PDF files? I cringe every time I realize I've clicked on one.

Did Schube leave?

Chuck - she is VERY annoying. I remember her always bashing Kerry until it got close, then she bashed him a bit less. She was plugging her book on Bill's show. But, I couldn't believe how she just flat out lied. In a way, she was criticizing Rather, subtly. Oh yes, she said Reagan was the best Pres or something to that effect, Clinton was the smartest but had his problems and that both Clinton and Bush didn't pay attention to OBL.

sorry. working through the google findings - I'll let you know when I find out that's not adobe - I WARNED you it was .pdf though!! ;)

Hey! Lizzy must be back. She left a comment on my blog that I just noticed.

Also, the thing I don't like about pdf files is that the ones you need to be able to save and write on (job applications, surveys), don't let you, and the ones you don't give a crap about have all the bells and whistles. Doesn't make sense. As Forrest Gump would say, "and that's all I have to say about that."

Good Evening Chuck, Karen, Cin, William, Domingo and ITOS.

Free Will!!! I stand for that!

Waving at the lurkin' lizzy then! You talk about a good blog!!! Hers RAWKS.

hello folks. good to see you all.

only 400 people showed up for the support out troops/hate cindy/love bush demonstration today. what is up with that? how come so few of the republicans in appointee jobs, lobbyists, college conservatives etc. didn't pump up those numbers. i kinda feel bad for the organizers. i mean if you are gonna be pro war and not enlist the least you could do would be to wander over to the mall for a few hours between brunch and cocktails....or were all the hard core bushies in church all day?

This piece of crap blog just kicked me off again. The moderators are really lame in not addressing the problems here and neglecting to start fresh threads and not fixing the blog...

Cin-

I believe it from her. The one I really can't believe is the bush lap-dog, Judy Woodruff after bush cussed her husband out in public in a restaurant in the presence of her and her 10 year old son.

Heck, I don't even know if she still works for CNN. I haven't seen her in quite a while, but I don't watch that channel that much.

Karen-

HA!HA!

1) Please fix this blog.

2)Here is what they said on 11/15. But I remember reading that a specific newspaper was supposed to publish the results of the recount on 9/11/2001. I am trying to find it, but some of this information appears to have been scrubbed from the internet.

Common Dreams

good pics on your blog, lizzy - looks like I'm a couple posts behind!

Greg & Lizzy!

Lizzy- I haven't checked my e-mail yet. Sorry.

No, not gone, just trying to find the proof I need. I should have copied the text.

Hi Lizzy, Gregg. Chuck, tell me about bush cussing her husband out. I didn't know that. Talk about bush butt kissing, what about McCain? What gets me is we all know he hates the bush crime family.

Thanks, Karen! *takes one to know one*

Hugs to William - I sure hope you are recuperating and yes...FIX THIS BLOG!!

Schubert - I remember not only that the "official" study of the recount came out 9/11/01, but that it had been delayed for several weeks for reasons no one was willing or able to explain. I'm trying to find that, too.

It was in a Mexican restaurant in LA, I think. I guess it was their four year old daughter with them:

"Problem: In 1987, one year after he had given up drinking he ran into Al Hunt, a Wall Street Journal editor who was minding his own business sitting at a restaurant with his wife and 4-year-old daughter.

Bush lit into him, saying, among other things, "You no-good fucking son of a bitch, I will never fucking forget what you wrote." (8) (Hunt had predicted that the 1988 Republican ticket would be Jack Kemp and Richard Lugar, instead of George Bush Sr and Dan Quayle.) What's interesting is that the Wall St Journal editor later commented that Bush was well "lubricated." (9) "

I used to have the exact quote & date. I'll have to look that up.

Posted by Chuck on September 25, 2005 at 08:27 PM

Oh my!!

Thanks Chuck, I think I remember something about that now. He's a jerk. We all know that. You guys think he is drinking again?

THIS ARTICLE says it was a four year old son and that it was in Dallas, Texas. Geez. I'll get it right eventually:

Al Hunt is married to CNN newscaster Judy Woodruff. In April 1986, while the couple was eating at a Dallas restaurant with their 4-year-old son, a very pissed-off George W. Bush stormed over to their table and unloaded on Hunt: "You fucking son of a bitch. I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this." (Hunt's transgression was having predicted in the Wall Street Journal that Jack Kemp would win the 1988 Republican nomination instead of Vice President George H.W. Bush.)

Yeah, that piece of shit deserves to be in the oval office...

Thanks Chuck!

Cin, I think he's drinking, Coking, and off his anti-psychotics, but that's just me. And Joan, this is no insult to you, I am absolutely convinced of his psychoticism (is that a word?). Of course, hard to tell where the drugs trail off and the pathological begin, but apparently the dude used to blow up frogs as a kid, and unless he was snorting in diapers, I think we can safely guess which affliction came first.

Cocaine Connection not new to Bush Family

In spite of President Bush's 1989 Inaugural Address, during the Reagan/Bush administration Oliver North secretly used the CIA to ship arms to the contras. In order to fund this operation they imported crack cocaine that was distributed in the Los Angeles area and was responsible for massive drug addiction and resulted in increased gang activity. Although Bush has always claimed he was "out of the loop" I have a hard time believing that neither he nor Reagan knew what was going on.

-click

Karen & Lizzy-

I just read your e-mails & responded.

I'm gonna check out Lizzy's blog real quick.

BRB.

Karen, I think I posted the link once. I just cannot find it.

more:

The real reason that Bush went AWOL was that he couldn't afford to take a drug test. The real reason he couldn't afford to take a drug test was that it would have been a condition of his sentencing that he remain clean. If word of the failed drug test had filtered back to the court, he would have gone to jail. His fear of the criminal legal consequences is why he went AWOL, and that's why the community service is the key to understanding what is going on here. By concentrating on the military records, the media is walking right into Rove's trap.

-click (you can tell me to shut up if I'm boring you, but I'll be leaving in 15 minutes for Rome anyway)

one more about cocaine:

BUSH 'TOOK COCAINE AT CAMP DAVID'
And wife Laura liked dope, says book
By Emma Pryer

GEORGE W Bush snorted cocaine at Camp David, a new book claims.

His wife Laura also allegedly tried cannabis in her youth.

Author Kitty Kelley says in her biography The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty, that the US President first used coke at university in the mid-1960s.

She quotes his former sister-in-law Sharon Bush who claims: "Bush did coke at Camp David when his father was President, and not just once either."

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Other acquaintances allege that as a 26-year-old National Guard, Bush "liked to sneak out back for a joint or into the bathroom for a line of cocaine".

Bush has admitted being an alcoholic but, asked during the 1999 election if he did drugs, he said: "I've told the American people that years ago I made some mistakes.

"I've learned from my mistakes and should I be fortunate enough to become president I will bring dignity and honour to the office."

And now, the mental illness part:

Is Bush Nuts - click

I think that's interesting stuff Karen.

Rome? What?

Anything that sheds light on what the bush dynasty is all about- I'm up for. ;)

Schube- thanks for digging on that fraud thing.

Lizzy-

I posted a comment. Those pictures are great. Give us more (with Lizzy in them)!

Bush is a cunning sociopath (here's the blowing up frogs bit) - click:

December 5, 2002 — If any of us are to have a future worth having, the world's leaders, the members of Congress, the US corporate media and people of all political persuasions who value freedom and democracy had better start seeing George W. Bush for what he is: a sociopath and a passive serial killer.

Psychiatrists tell us that all serial killers lack the emotions that make us human; that they have to learn to emulate those emotions in order to get by in society. Hence, a charming, well educated fellow like Ted Bundy who is known to have murdered 15 women and may have killed 36 before he was caught.

While Bush is no Bundy, when it comes Bundy's education and acquired charm, and to our knowledge has never personally murdered anyone, it has been evident to us that there is something missing in George W. in terms of his lack of compassion and empathy. As governor of Texas, he set a record in signing death warrants — 154 in five years. He even made fun of the way convicted killer Karla Faye Tucker begged for her life.

If we believe the psychiatrists, a sign of a future serial killer is a child who delights in torturing and killing animals. George W., as a child, did exactly that. In a May 21, 2000, New York Times' puff piece about the values Bush gained growing up in Midland, Texas, Nicholas D. Kristof quoted Bush's childhood friend Terry Throckmorton: "'We were terrible to animals,' recalled Mr. Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. 'Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,' Mr. Throckmorton said. 'Or we'd put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.'"

lizzy great pictures at your blog!

you must be tired?

ok, enough. I just feel very strongly about this (obviously) - bbl (I hope)

Rome - HBO show - trying to be into it - getting better. lata

me i am gonna do csi crimminal intent. it is the only one of those i like.

Thanks Guys and yes I am tired. Have a good night!!

*All we are saying is Give Peace A Chance*

OK. Good night all. Lizzy, I'm glad you're home SAFE!

I wonder if Jen & Jeff are making it back.

TL! :)

Chuck here is one! How to take back a stolen election

when asked about recent damage from hurricanes,,typhoons,,all china could say is( we arent new orleans)...arent you proud to be an american,,the most modern powerful country on earth...o i forget that was the country i was born in...it died

Night Lizzy! good to see you.

This is not the same USA I grew up in. This is like an alternate universe. In my universe both Republicans AND Democrats believed in the ideals we used to recite in Boy Scouts:

Boy Scout Oath, Law, Motto, and Slogan
Scout Oath (or Promise)

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

Scout Law

TRUSTWORTHY
A Scout tells the truth. He keeps his promises. Honesty is part of his code of conduct. People can depend on him.

LOYAL
A Scout is true to his family, Scout leaders, friends, school, and nation.

HELPFUL
A Scout is concerned about other people. He does things willingly for others without pay or reward.

FRIENDLY
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He seeks to understand others. He respects those with ideas and customs other than his own.

COURTEOUS
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows good manners make it easier for people to get along together.

KIND
A Scout understands there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. He does not hurt or kill harmless things without reason.

OBEDIENT
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobey them.

CHEERFUL
A Scout looks for the bright side of things. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.

THRIFTY
A Scout works to pay his way and to help others. He saves for unforeseen needs. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.

BRAVE
A Scout can face danger even if he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at or threaten him.

CLEAN
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He goes around with those who believe in living by these same ideals. He helps keep his home and community clean.

REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.

Scout Motto -- Be Prepared

Scout Slogan -- Do a Good Turn Daily

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 25, 2005 at 09:08 PM

Thanks Schube! Good find!

I got kicked off this damn thing again.

I think I'll call it a night on the DNC blog.

Later on.

Schube-

Good luck tomorrow. I hope you just keep getting better. You & I should get together for lunch or something someday since we live so close to each other.

1) Please fix this blog

2)We left the door unlocked most of the time, except when the winds were so strong they blew the door open. I don't remember anyone dissing each other for their religion, although I didn't want to pray Protestant Prayers, the idea of God, or Allah, or Yahwei, or the "Great Scoutmaster who watches over all scouts" God has many names, but is really a description of the same "entity".

The main thing was that we cared about each other. Neighbor helping neighbor. And you see this in Liberal communities, whereas in conservative communities you see fear of anything different.

3) Thanks Chuck. I knew I could find it.

4 Maybe I will be back later, but I am also tired of getting kicked off the board.

Its the oil -

You really oughta put that on a bumper sticker.

Posted by WilliamSchubert on September 25, 2005 at 09:15 PM

Schubert, this is one of my favorite songs from my Girl Scout days, too:

On My Honor

Chorus:
On my honor I will try.
There's a duty to be done and I say aye.
There's a reason here for a reason above.
My honor is to try and my duty is love.
People don't need to know my name.
If I do any harm, then I'm to blame.
When I help another, I help me,
If I've opened up my eyes to see.

(chorus)

I've tucked away a song or two.
If you're feeling low, there's one for you.
When you need a friend, then I will come.
There are many more where I come from.

(chorus)

Come with me where a fire burns bright.
We can even see better in a candle's light.
But we find more meaning in a campfire's glow
Than we'd ever learn in a year or so.

(chorus)

We've made a promise to always keep.
And the day is done before we sleep.
We'll be Boy Scouts together and when we're gone
We'll still be trying and singing this song.

(chorus)

1) God doesn't have to bring China. I can eat off paper or plastic.

2) In the Catholic Church we are taught that God gave us free will right from the start, and that he let Adam name the animals, which would imply that God WANTED people to think for themselves. Adam and Eve used their free will to betray God's will by eating the fruit of the tree, which implies they had free will in the first place.

3) I know your heart is in the right place, but you really need to reread the Bible. You are correct, but you aren't getting there by facts. Logic is something God would want you to know about.

William - you are too funny!! You make me smile.

Goodnight all.

Maybe if he writes real small...,

Night Joan.

Schubert - excellent. I'm outta here, too. It's the great exodus (or should it be exitous)... ;)

Exit, stage left!

Night Karen.

Good Evening Democrats!

The demonstrations in Washington, D.C., were amazing. I am still remembering those speeches.

The crowd in D.C. was the largest I have ever seen there.

organizers expected 20,000 Bush supporters would attend today's counter protest in DC. CNN announced 400 showed.

hahahahahahahaha!

sweet dreams all

I guess I really didn't know the bloodsuckers had planned a demonstration. I was downtown again today and never saw any sign of it.

evening paul.

guess i will turn in. here is a laugh from internet weekly:

condi

Posted by bb on September 25, 2005 at 10:37 PM

What's that saying about their "eyes being bigger than their stomach?"

Are Texans known as tellers of tall tales?

That would explain a lot but isn't the blue ox from somewheres up north?

Anyway, Sunday was a poor day to schedule a march when all the good people are in church.

We need to follow up on this Rawstory report--

My lte for the day--------

Less than a month after the towers and the Pentagon were attacked, the President conspired with members of the Cabinet and Agency heads to withhold "sensitive" national security information from all but eight members of the Congress. The rationale for this effort to preclude Congressional over-sight was the so-called "War on Terror" which is turning out to be more a reign of terror than anything else.

But the question now is why did the gang of eight, including Democrats Graham, Daschel and Pelosi go along with this executive power grab? Did they even realize the implications when the President called and told them that from then on the rest of the people's representatives would be kept in the dark on what was being planned for Afghanistan and Iraq and, as the victims of Katrina and Rita have now discovered, the American people themselves?

Did they even answer the phone?

Since Graham and Daschel and Gebhardt are now out of office perhaps they can reveal why Frist and Hastert and Roberts of Kansas, continue to conspire with the Administration to deceive the American people. Surely they're not fearful of being arrested and charged with treason for revealing information that the people have a right to know.

One suspects that perhaps a feeling of guilt at having been complicit keeps them silent. It shouldn't. As long as the Bush Administration isn't called to account, matters can only go from bad to worse. How many more people have to die?

Do not allow Bush to repeal the,” Posse Comitatus Act Law of June 18, 1878"!

HE WITHHELD AID TO NEW ORLEANS TO SHOW PEOPLE WILL SUFFER UNLESS WE ALLOW HIM TO RAISE AN ARMY AGAINST AMERICANS!!!

This is the only act of law to prevent an Army to be raised against the people of United States of America by it’s government!

Without this law, this president who has lied to the American public to engage in war can turn the army against his political enemies.

Do not let an unstable monster loose! This is one that cannot be taken back!

This may have been his biggest reason for planning the slow response to New Orleans, to show Americans the Army can respond when FEMA and Home Land Security was suppose to do the job!!! It's a test case to remove the only law which prohibits this monster from launching a preemptive strike against his own people but his political enemies.

I truly believe he held back FEMA and Homeland Security to show people suffering. His only solution to prevent future suffering is to raise an army against his own people. Do give this crazy man and religious right the ability to use the military against Americans.

We may have to suffer a little because his government will withhold aid to our regions in times of crisis. That will be a small price to pay when the alternative is a Marshal Law ordered against political differences.

Please take the time to read the following from NYU review of Law and Security on Posse Comitatus Act.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/centers/lawsecurity/publications/quarterly/spring04.pdf

DO NOT ALLOW BUSH TO BECOME A MILITARY DICTATOR!

As long as the Bush Administration isn't called to account, matters can only go from bad to worse. How many more people have to die?

Posted by monicasmith on September 26, 2005 at 05:51 AM

Monica,
It's funny, you know, I was just thinking last night on a work break about this fiasco beginning in 1964 after the Goldwater defeat. I did not realize, or just never paid attention, that forty years are up on this republican siege of God. The bible is full of references to forty years. The bible is also full of Gods promises to haven His way with the liars and evil doers. I am not a republican, or overtly religious for that matter. But, I do believe in a higher intelligence life form, and I to often refer to this life form as God. I am confident that this highly intelligent life form will have His way with the ones that have perpetrated so much anguish on the innocents of this world.

Do not allow Bush to repeal the,” Posse Comitatus Act Law of June 18, 1878"!

HE WITHHELD AID TO NEW ORLEANS TO SHOW PEOPLE WILL SUFFER UNLESS WE ALLOW HIM TO RAISE AN ARMY AGAINST AMERICANS!!!

This is the only act of law to prevent an Army to be raised against the people of United States of America by it’s government!

Without this law, this president who has lied to the American public to engage in war can turn the army against his political enemies.

Do not let an unstable monster loose! This is one that cannot be taken back!

good morning. could this be the week fitzgerald finally rolls out some indictments?

looks like the little oinkers are taking full advantage of the situation in the great american tradition:

Rebuilding
Many Contracts for Storm Work Raise Questions

By ERIC LIPTON and RON NIXON
Published: September 26, 2005

WASHINGTON, Sept. 25 - Topping the federal government's list of costs related to Hurricane Katrina is the $568 million in contracts for debris removal landed by a Florida company with ties to Mississippi's Republican governor.

oink, oink

you know mississippi's governor, haley babbler...his state is ripped to shreds but he has bush's back and can't flap his jowls fast enough being pleased as punch...and hey whats a half billion or so between comrades?

Would Bush use an Army against his own people?

CNN reported last night the military took over control of several parishes after Katrina then denied aid worker and emergency response people access to fuel and communication.

Is this a rational response when people are asking for food and water?

Monica,

Here's one I hope you really like...

Verse 31 from the Tao Te Ching

Armies

Armies are tools of violence;
They cause men to hate and fear.
The sage will not join them.
His purpose is creation;
Their purpose is destruction.

Weapons are tools of violence,
Not of the sage;
He uses them only when there is no choice,
And then calmly, and with tact,
For he finds no beauty in them.

Whoever finds beauty in weapons
Delights in the slaughter of men;
And who delights in slaughter
Cannot content himself with peace.

So slaughters must be mourned
And conquest celebrated with a funeral.

the scientific american magazine reviews "the republican war on science":

REVIEWS

Science Abuse

The Republican War on Science
by Chris Mooney
Basic Books, 2005
Thomas Jefferson would be appalled. More than two centuries after he helped to shape a government based on the idea that reason and technological advancement would propel the new United States into a glorious future, the political party that now controls that government has largely turned its back on science.

Even as the country and the planet face both scientifically complex threats and remarkable technological opportunities, many Republican officeholders reject the most reliable sources of information and analysis available to guide the nation. As inconceivable as it would have been to Jefferson--and as dismaying as it is to growing legions of today's scientists--large swaths of the government in Washington are now in the hands of people who don't know what science is. More ominously, some of those in power may grasp how research works but nonetheless are willing to subvert science's knowledge and expert opinion for short-term political and economic gains.

science is mankind's brother or science is womankind's sister

Follow the money! It's all about the money!

goin a bit highbrow here this a.m. this is from the scientific american as well. i figure we need to support and defend science or it will vanish and all we will be left with is bush's daughters teaching creationism to to hollowed eyed poor kids as they eat the day old donuts and sour milk donated by dunkin....

Science and aesthetics are complementary, not conflicting--

Does a scientific explanation for any given phenomenon diminish its beauty or its ability to inspire poetry and emotional experiences? I think not. Science and aesthetics are complementary, not conflicting; additive, not detractive. I am nearly moved to tears, for example, when I observe through my small telescope the fuzzy little patch of light that is the Andromeda galaxy. It is not just because it is lovely, but because I also understand that the photons of light landing on my retina left Andromeda 2.9 million years ago, when our ancestors were tiny-brained hominids. I am doubly stirred because it was not until 1923 that astronomer Edwin Hubble, using the 100-inch telescope on Mount Wilson in the hills just above my home in Los Angeles, deduced that this "nebula" was actually a distant extragalactic stellar system of immense size. He subsequently discovered that the light from most galaxies is shifted toward the red end of the electromagnetic spectrum (literally unweaving a rainbow of colors), meaning that the universe is expanding away from its explosive beginning. That is some aesthetic science.

No less awe-inspiring are recent attempts to unweave the emotions, described by anthropologist Helen Fisher of Rutgers University in her book Why We Love (Henry Holt, 2004). Lust is enhanced by dopamine, a neurohormone produced by the hypothalamus that in turn triggers the release of testosterone, the hormone that drives sexual desire. But love is the emotion of attachment reinforced by oxytocin, a hormone synthesized in the hypothalamus and secreted into the blood by the pituitary. In women, oxytocin stimulates birth contractions, lactation and maternal bonding with a nursing infant. In both women and men it increases during sex and surges at orgasm, playing a role in pair bonding, an evolutionary adaptation for long-term care of helpless infants.

its a world of wonder and awe with or without a belief in god

gregg, it's based on theology not science!

Iraq, North Korea bad therefore Bush GOOD!

Many unexplainable good in the world, therefore GOD exists! Many explainable bad thing happen therefore antichrist and his servants exist.

No logic just believe the truth of the word from the GOOD guy!

MORE REASON TO PREVENT BUSH FROM REPEALING THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT! DO NOT ALLOW BUSH TO RAISE AN ARMY AGAINST AMERICANS!!

tiny brained hominids? could be the white house team. bbl. its puppy time.

hybrid are you chris? i was away for a week and evolution being what it is these days i am new to some writers or folks have once again changed their i.d.'s to drive this old man zany...

After reading my last post I regret I posted it...the over translation into english really takes away from the exquisitness of Lao Tze expressions of true compassion...I really must find a new link. But for now I must retrieve my son from my sister's house and get him to school.

Gregg,
I've read many of your post, while lurking or catching up. Hope you're right about the indictments!! Convenient how faux knews is showing the new New Orleans flooding in respect to Rita. Dems need to keep Bush's feet in the fire, and keep it burning.

See y'all!!

Hello Gregg,

Thanks for this posting,"
WASHINGTON, Sept. 25 - Topping the federal government's list of costs related to Hurricane Katrina is the $568 million in contracts for debris removal landed by a Florida company with ties to Mississippi's Republican governor. "

You know I see much less news about the Christian right purchasing flooded properties for profit and promise to rebuild with SBA funding. Any words on your front?

hi black like me, i am just hoping about the indictments, i have no real idea what is going on. and while we are at it i would like to see rush limbo get his asap as well. good to make your aquaintance if i haven't already. its hard to keep track of who is who when you don't see anything but type...

Heck Rush is using Roe vs Wade to prevent the law from reviewing his medical record of drug consumption.

hybrid, i will see what i can find on that but i have seen lots of stuff on how the gambling corps and all are going to build bigger and better right on the ocean....its amazing but i guess its the old " you win i win, you lose i win" story. interesting the way the most bibled bible belt places seem to thrive on gambling....

rush is a tricky old boy but he will make a fine slab of bacon some day...

Fry bacon fry!! It's all that pork fat!

Gregg goodmorning to you and sorry I'll need to sign off.

Just need a nap before my kids get up. The news is so bad I need to watch it at night without the kids or wife. My heart goes out to all the people suffering.

rest up hybrid. and good idea to let those kids enjoy the world thru their eyes, growing up and having to deal with the beasts will come soon enough.

from the "don't let the door hit your vioxx infused ass on the way out" department:

FDA chief quits amid growing criticism

September 24, 2005

BY LAURAN NEERGAARD

WASHINGTON -- Embattled Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Lester Crawford abruptly resigned Friday, telling his staff that at age 67 it was time to step aside.

President Bush designated the National Cancer Institute's director, Dr. Andrew von Eschenbach, to be the FDA's new acting commissioner.

Crawford's resignation came just two months after the Senate, in a long-delayed move, elevated the longtime agency deputy and acting commissioner to the top job.

His three-year tenure at the FDA was marked by increasing criticism and a particularly rocky final 12 months. The pain-killer Vioxx was pulled off the market for safety problems, the FDA was embarrassed last fall when its British counterparts shut down a supplier of U.S. flu vaccine for tainted shots, and, over the summer, recalls of malfunctioning heart devices mounted.

Finally last month, morale at the agency plummeted when Crawford indefinitely postponed nonprescription sales of emergency contraception over the objections of staff scientists who had declared the pill safe. The FDA's women's health chief resigned in protest.

Asked if Crawford was forced to resign, Health and Human Services Secretary spokeswoman Christina Pearson said she couldn't comment. AP

one thing about the bush team--they are not afraid of incomptence--in fact they are taking it to new lows every day.

http://ydr.com/news/doverwestyork/

Local news from Dover, PA, Heart of the Creationist Bible Belt!

Good Monday Morning. Looks like a good crowd here.

Trashed: Some myths about Iraq
By Sudha Ramachandran

BANGALORE - A new study by a Washington-based think tank has trashed American and Iraqi government claims that foreign fighters dominate the insurgency in Iraq.

The report, which was brought out by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), an independent think tank, says that foreign militants - mainly from Algeria, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia - account for less than 10% of the estimated 30,000 insurgents in Iraq.

"The pattern of detainments and intelligence analysis indicates that the total number of foreign volunteers is well below 10%, and may well be closer to 4-6%," the study says.

morning cyn. really hoping for rain.

this is rduke's piece. it is chock full of heavenly bullshit:

the lord comes to dover pa

Bush plea for cash to rebuild Iraq raises $600
Posted on Sunday, September 25 @ 08:52:06 EDT
By Mark Townsend, The Observer (UK)

An extraordinary appeal to Americans from the Bush administration for money to help pay for the reconstruction of Iraq has raised only $600 (£337), The Observer has learnt. Yet since the appeal was launched earlier this month, donations to rebuild New Orleans have attracted hundreds of millions of dollars.

The public's reluctance to contribute much more than the cost of two iPods to the administration's attempt to offer citizens 'a further stake in building a free and prosperous Iraq' has been seized on by critics as evidence of growing ambivalence over that country.

This coincides with concern over the increasing cost of the war. More than $30 billion has been appropriated for the reconstruction. Initially, America's overseas aid agency, USaid, expected it to cost taxpayers no more than $1.7bn, but it is now asking the public if they want to contribute even more.

Gregg, its raining here now. I have to tell you, while at my daughter's yesterday for my granddaughter's 1st birthday party, a moose was spotted in the field across from her home. We all ran out, as did many neighbors and watched him lumber down the field and disappear into the forest. It was really something!

rduke, been reading some of that stuff from the site you posted. great laughs. this is an excerpt from the newspapers editorial:

"Some Dover board members, surveying new biology textbooks, noted they were “laced with Darwinism.” Which only stands to reason, evolution by natural selection being the unifying theory of modern biology."

saying biology textbooks are laced with darwinism is like saying the bible is laced with godisms. it will be fun to see these clowns dragged thru the absurdity of their own actions...of course the christian fanatics will feel they have fought the good fight but they will once again have to face the reality that the claims of scientists are backed by objective data from the physical world and the claims of faith are backed by...well faith.

moose! wonderful. i would love to see one. we did see a bobcat around there this summer and that was quite a thrill. hope that rain gets over here soon.

so the reports that new orleans was a blood bath of violence and anarchy were bullshit. figures...bad enough that the mostly african american victims were so poorly served by their government...lets make them out to be wild eyed felons as well...

Monday, September 26, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

Reports of anarchy at Superdome overstated

By BRIAN THEVENOT and GORDON RUSSELL

Newhouse News Service

KARL MERTON FERRON / THE BALTIMORE SUN

NEW ORLEANS — After five days managing near riots, medical horrors and unspeakable living conditions inside the Superdome, Louisiana National Guard Col. Thomas Beron prepared to hand over the dead to representatives of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Following days of internationally reported murders, rapes and gang violence inside the stadium, the doctor from FEMA — Beron doesn't remember his name — came prepared for a grisly scene: He brought a refrigerated 18-wheeler and three doctors to process bodies.

"I've got a report of 200 bodies in the Dome," Beron recalled the doctor saying.

The real total?

Six, Beron said.

a willing press victimizes by slandering

Good Morning fellow Dems and friends!

Some comments from my daughter who flew to DC for Sat. protest:

First, she missed her flight by a day and almost lost $200 because the airline wouldn't give her her money back or book her on another flight. She called her friend, her former roommate from Ball State who is a pre-law student, and between the two of them, daughter got on a flight! She called me the next day as they were heading for the protest area.

Lot's of people, some of which she knew from other protests, lot's of noise - many young people with drums - horns - just the usual.

The speakers were good but she said that so many had their own adgendas which really didn't have too much to do with the war... she said she wished they would have stayed focused on just the war. Many people around lost interest at the speakers because of this. The march started just a little late but she said there were so many people, it took them 40 minutes to go 1 city block. The only time she had some trouble was her attorney to be roomate got into a shouting match with some Marines... they were calling the protestors "traitors". Stacy only yelled at them and called them "trained people killers"...

Glad she didn't get arrested.

I hope she never is in a sitution requiring the assistance of a Marine.

The other day I posted my theory that whatever the bush crime family does, it accuses Democrats or liberals of doing. Well, my theory said Republicans, and some Republicans exist that don't buy into the bullshit. So I will only use the word Republicans as a means of avoiding the word NAZI.

So Republicans act the way they accuse Democrats of acting. They do the things they accuse us of doing.

And I have cited several examples. And like any good theory, this one has predictive powser; if they accuse someone of doing something, either they have ALREADY done it, or they are thinking about it.

For example, bush had a big box on his back, which everyone could see, during the debates. He was obviously being fed the material. The Republicans THEN chose to accuse Kerry of cheating, because he had in his pockets:

2 coins
an old button
a pen

I notice also, all over the internet, all the Republican sites that say Al Gore tried to steal the election. Fact is, THEY DID.

Theory holds.

AS for predictive power, we will have to keep an eye on Mr Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum.

Morning All!

Only if his gun is pointed down...

William - I think the dems are going to target Santorum. Isn't he down in the polls in his home state?

Schubert - I think that's classic Rovian technique - blame the other side for your own sins. It is so very ironic on another level, too, which is that it is SO ANTI-Christian!! Amazing. Good theory - I bet you could come up with over a hundred examples of this, dare I say, "blame game" :D

Joan is right. NEVER blame the Marines for the actions of the commander in cheeze. If they yell, ask them what they are fighting for. If they believe they are fighting for freedom and Democracy then good, they should believe in freedom and Democracy HERE then.

Most of the Marines who have been there are ALREADY on our side. Let's not push them away, or make them feel like nobody speaks for them. The ones that haven't been there yet will still do the bashing, but sooner of later they WILL go to Iraq.

Oops. I misspelled it. Commander in Cheese!

I knew I loved you, William. :)

Have a good day. I am on wedding countdown. Saturday is the big day. Hope I don't set my hair on fire before then ! Who knew it was this much work? But very very fun. Later.

Yes, that's true. We should be very gratefull that we have men and women who are Marines.

But if I'm not mistaken, we don't have the draft - yet. Didn't these young men who called the protestors "traitors" enlist at free will?

Oh, one more example.

Blackwell, the first African-American ever elected to a statewide executive office in Ohio, accuses Democrats of patronizing black voters.

That was from his own Blackwell for governor website.

This is the guy who put less voting machines per person in all the largely black areas, and more voting machines in the largely white areas!

They enlist of their own free will, and some may enlist believing all the Fox talking points. If they never get over to Iraq, they may remain a Fox believer. But once they get over there, their eyes open. And once they do, we get a Paul Reikoff or a Paul Hackett who joins OUR FIGHT to end this war. I know you saw Farenheit 911. That is what Michael Moore was trying to show you. People go in thinking it is a game, and being all gung ho. Then they either LEARN the truth for themselves, or are told the truth. And then bushco extends their stay indefinately. Stop Loss. And he takes their benefits away, and their spouses benefits. He keeps screwing them and screwing them until they say "This is BULLSHIT!" Bad enough to have to go to Iraq, but this administration is allowing my wife and kids to STARVE while I am here? Or DROWN in the case of the folks from New Orleans?

Stephanie Miller ripping on the fact that too many speakers had NOTHING to do with "end the war".

Very good points, Mr. Schubert!! Why are the folks coming back from Iraq with the highest amount of mental illness of any other war? imo, they were lied to about what they were about to experience and had severe adjustment issues related to integrating the lie with the reality, in addition to the horrific "duties" they are given and/or bodyguarding patrols of the contract corporation staff. Some of the soldier blogs are incredible, but credible.