Open Threads
To the right you'll notice a new "Open Thread" box. From now on, that link will take you into the newest open thread. The threads spawn three times a day: 12am, 8am and 4pm. They'll also never close - the next thread comes at the next set time, and even after a new thread is created, the old thread will stay open. The link from the right bar will always link to the newest thread, so you shouldn't have to worry about it. An archive page is also linked to from the top of each thread so you can go back if you need to.
Hope this solves the thread problem. If it's not working out, we can re-evaluate and look at comment-count based threads or other solutions in the future. Enjoy!
UPDATE 2: Problems. Use this as your thread.
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It took me a minute, but I found it.
Bottom Right, all.
Thanks, Josh.
morning exile and pamb. cool and clear here in the hudson valley today. need to pick the rest of the basil and chop it up and mix it with olive oil and freeze it. hope you are both well.
this is a very funny video stream from onegoodmove.org
tools for the tool
Okaaaayyyyy, we have two places with threads going at once. I'm confused. Then again, every time I post I feel like I end up talking to myself. Hmmmmm...I took a shower this morning. :)
i encourage all to stream wdst. if you try some time you just might find you get what you need....
Let the fine technologic event of this morning serve as testiment and never let us think for one (1) moment that progress, as a nation and as a blog is not attainable and should not be our goal which we shall pursue earnestly, with all of our combined energy and intellect, assured in the knowledge that we, as democrats, remain the heart and soul of this fine country. yea, verily fellow bloggers i say these things with a clear mind and a steady hand upon the keyboard, and the other hand fixed firmly on my wallet lest George W. Bush and his band of aristocats insert their sneaky fingers where they shouldn't outta be. thank you and good morning.
The House passes the "cheeseburger bill". 306-120. Don't the Republicans want less government and less regulation? corporate whores
Yesterday morning on MyDD, I saw a diary entitled "Welcome to Ohio Democratic Politics 101 - Eating Our Young." It included, as I expected, words about Brown jumping into the race after saying he wouldn't, but also tipped me off as to Mary Jo Kilroy's plan to run:
Saying central Ohio voters are ready to send a message of change to President Bush and congressional Republicans, Franklin County Commissioner Mary Jo Kilroy yesterday said she will run next year against GOP Rep. Deborah Pryce, of Upper Arlington.
The race will pit a proven Democratic vote-winner in Franklin County, home to most of the 15 th congressional district’s constituents, against a veteran lawmaker who is the fourth-ranking House GOP leader.
More here.
Posted by gregg on October 20, 2005 at 09:06 AM
Gregg, I agree that the "Contract" was a load of crap,but people uncritically latched on to it out of disgust and frustration with Democratic hubris and arrogance.
The point is, we have to articulate and unite over a coherent message and get it out there.
OK, I am totally freaked out. Are there 3 active threads????????
I think the only way Josh could post what was happening, was to start a new Thread, Labeled Open Threads.
Go up and click on the "Here" he indicates, and it will take you to the current Open thread.
Or , go down to bottom right and click on Open thread there.
October 18th 2005 - Vancouver B.C.
Lawyers Against the War (LAW) is claiming a victory in its battle to have George W. Bush face charges in Canada for torture.
The charges stem from the notorious cases of torture practiced by U.S. forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. They were laid on the occasion of George W. Bush's controversial visit to Canada in November 2004. The charges were laid under sections of the Canadian Criminal Code enacted pursuant to the United Nations Torture Convention which requires extra-territorial jurisdiction to be exercised against officials, even Heads of State, who authorize or are otherwise responsible for torture.
On Monday, the Supreme Court of BC quashed an order banning publication of everything having to do with the charges imposed when they were first laid. In a secret hearing, held December 6th 2004 in B.C. Provincial Court, the charges against Bush were rejected on the basis of arguments by the Attorney General of British Columbia that the visiting president was shielded from prosecution by diplomatic immunity. A ban on publication of anything to do with the proceedings was also imposed.
Josh,
Thanks, buddy. Your efforts are well and truly appreciated!
Thanks bb for posting something of value to the party! Most post only nonesense. As I was reading through the postings it looked like another day of taking up space!
The Greeks at one time sacrificed virgins to the God of Peace and Plenty! "This administration has sacrificed young men and women to the God of Democracy." Will the World think as harshly of the Bush Administration as the World thinks of the Nations that sacrificed virgins by throwing them into a volcano? There were other uncivilized Nations that sacrificed the innocent to appease their Pagen God's. While we also are uncivilized and sacrifice the Poor, young, and the uneducated. Do we think it will please our
God to sacrifice them to the God of Peace and Free Will? God allows us to do what ever we want and we have this life to learn what is that Good and Perfect Will of GOD. Do you believe if we decide it is lack of Civility to sacrifice another human with a Soul to the God of Democracy that those responsible for such decisions will be forgiven? I speak of the War in Iraq, the one in Afganstan was somewhat justified to break up their headquarters?
Posted by Renee_in_Ohio on October 20, 2005 at 10:08 AM
Inspired by this announcement, I'd like to offer the following:
Let's remember Dean's point that discussions about "god, guns and gays" are distractions from real issues.
And, it's occurred to me that we should add two more 'g's to that list--"girls" (standing for feminine healthcare issues) and "gets" (standing for what voters for one party or the other are traditionally promised they'll get in the way of tax cuts, highway interchanges, military contracts, etc. if they vote right. The focus on "gets" allows the politician to ignore questions about his/her qualifications for the office being sought, as well as such big issues like whether the U.S. should continue to build bases and set up nuclear missiles abroad.
You know, if you look closely, there's really not much difference between "nation building" and "hunting down terrorists." The mechanisms by which these goals (positive from the Democrats; negative from the Republicans) are to be accomplished are essentially the same. Which is why the call to stand down our military forces overseas is not resonnating real well in Washington. All the boys and girls have been having such a good time playing "war games" that they don't want to stop.
Thanks for trying to met our needs, Josh.
There seem to be three conversations going on at once...typical of most Democratic meetings. I guess we will all settle down to using the new open thread box at some point.
I end up talking to myself. Hmmmmm...I took a shower this morning. :)
Posted by Exile on October 20, 2005 at 09:56 AM
I happen to like showing up here and be all by myself. haha
And I usually have no less than 2 showers a day...3 in the summer. So what! I know it's a compulsion.
This morning C-Span is the house debating the Gun Industry liability bill.
typical Repub talking points. Wanting to punish the Gun Industry is nothing more than another Liberal trick! They are assured if they tell this lie enough today, that the people will believe it by end of the day!
And "Armor Piercing Bullets" and machine guns! What American citizen needs these???
It is outrageous how the Republicans try and Protect the Industry, but don't care about Protecting the People! So What if children are killed or crippled. They are Dispensible to the Right, but those dollars from NRA and Colt, and S&W, etc are absolutely vital to their cause !
Posted by Renee_in_Ohio on October 20, 2005 at 10:08 AM
Kilroy had announced for OH Sec. of State. Change of plans?
So what! I know it's a compulsion.
Posted by Bleujae on October 20, 2005 at 11:10 AM
{{Jacque}}
Compulsion? Nah, it's a comfort thing. I can't move a muscle until I've steamed the kinks out in the morning (Fibro is a buggahbear, sigh) and I can't lay head to pillow unless I feel all squeaky.
These days, with so few comforts to be had (and more taken away by the pugs every day), ya take the comforts ya CAN get.
Goza, porque la vida es corta :-)
ABR,
A complusion of necessity for me. ;)
Gotta run! Board meeting at noon, absentees to fill, pollworker training material to assemble. No rest for the wicked, as a dear friend of mine would say.
RE: 1. Rove and Libby discussed Plame before Leak
2.Rove says he heard about Plame from Libby, who heard it from a reporter.
Sounds pre emptive except its too late to pre empt this time Karl. He will shift the blame on anyone now, on reporters or subordinates etc.
Its every Neocon for himself now!!!!!
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902431.html
RED IS DEAD AT 39% !!!! OUR PLANET IS BLUE !!!!
Thanks to Dr Dean the Terminator!! I love that guy. He has done so much in such a short time. His media interviews have been on target and really great. Why are the other Dem's not helping him?? I'm really sick and tired of those wimps.
By the way.....the spawn times shown..are they in Eastern time or what...in Idaho we are on Mountain Time.
This to an answer to something PamB said on another open thread which won't allow me to post for some reason. It's in regards to Powell's leaking info.
Posted by PamB on October 20, 2005 at 09:36 AM
PamB, I don't think any of them are telling a straight story...it's their way of insuring that no one can be convicted. The whole ploy sounds like a Cheney strategy to keep the grand jury from centering on any one suspect. It's a shame for him that they seem to be focused and are not falling for the leaks.
DeLay arrest warrent issued today....finally!
DeLay de Liar
of de House
DeLay de Criminal
of de House
Another humiliation for America by the Idiot in Chief and his band of thieves.
Cheney had his wife make the statement that he won't be running for Pres when LameBrain is out. Like anyone in the whole world cares what Crook #2 plans. Crooks #1 and #3 are in so deep that they are making plans for a quick escape as soon as the 08 transition is complete. Halleluejia!!!
Amanda... "All squeaky?" That made me laugh. I know what you mean, but never heard anyone refer to feeling "all squeaky."
no George, the nation expects you t tell the truth.
Bush Calls Recent Woes 'Background Noise'
WASHINGTON -- President Bush vowed Thursday to avoid the "background noise" of investigations and political problems to focus on the nation's needs.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102000965.html
"The American people expect me to do my job, and I'm going to," he said
You know - I have lost whatever respect I may have had for Scott McLellan. A while ago, he said that he spoke to Rove himself and got confirmation that Rove had nothing to do with the Plame leak.
The facts speak differently.
I still think that Ari Fleischer is mixed up in this somewhere...
Casey: we may never know. Fitzgerald said he will not issue a report which means whatever we learn will either come from a court action or a major motion picture. court action may be preempted by deals & resignations. perp walk may be all we get, in front of the ultimate demise of the neo con stranglehold on America.
Posted by CaseyInTN on October 20, 2005 at 11:46 AM
I get the same feeling about ol Ari. Wasn't his last day on the job on or around the same time as the Plame article came out?
bb - sad, but you have a good point.
Blue - I did that research recently and for the life of me, I cannot remember the *exact* specifics, but yes, it was within days of each other. And on a Friday, no less.
I don't see an open thread box anywhere. I've scrolled all the way down and still nothing. Help!
there is on open thread box on one of the other threads ...but not here
onefer...as a proud poster of nonsense i am wondering given your own nonsensical babble:"God allows us to do what ever we want and we have this life to learn what is that Good and Perfect Will of GOD." could you perhaps offer some evidence that;
a. there is a god
b. he gives two shits about american politics
c. that you have offered anything of "value to the party"
and i mean evidence as in stuff that you need to prove a point in court or the chemistry lab.
thanks.
Posted by CaseyInTN on October 20, 2005 at 11:42 AM
They don't call it a magic wand fer nuthin' ;-)
I'll letcha clean the coffee off your monitor now LOL
Posted by gregg on October 20, 2005 at 12:14 PM
Thank you, gregg. I was about to decide my glasses needed cleaning...my decoder ring wasn't working...lots of ??? from onefer's post.
Hi Jen, havn't had a chance to just say 'hello' lately. My tennis is a somethimes thing now but will pick up with cool weather and the passing of the next big wind. We're keeping an eye on the W storm (two W's with big winds) but not expecting toget hit by it...Hope you are well.
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, is one of the key players in the vast political cover-up that hovers over the criminal one now creaking at every hinge.
letshelpdean I see where archives are but no open thread "box" on the right at all. As a matter of fact I seem to see everything but that special box that will allow me to chat with my Dem friends and escape the redness for a while. :sigh:
Posted by bb on October 20, 2005 at 11:51 AM
BB-
From my understanding the only reason a report is issued is when no indictments are made and no criminal prosecution is sought. At least that is how it has been explained to me. So the fact that Fitzgerald has said he will not issue a report means someone is getting charged.
The information in a report, if one were written, would only be an explanation of how nothing illegal happened and would explain how that decision had been reached. So no report is a good thing.
If anyone knows for sure, please correct me, but that is how it has been explained to me.
By the way, Good Morning!
Amanda, as a Guilford Cty native I HAVE heard of being sqeeky clean. That's what mom expected when we got out of the tub...no shower then. I think the 'sqeeky' came from the sound you made when you rubbed the tub getting out.
Thanks, can't complain, Larry! I sure hope you don't get hit. Good to see you.
Have I told you guys how much I like Larry Johnson?
The So-called "Lies" of Joe Wilson
CB, just went back to look for the open thread box...that thread is gone. Josh noted there were problems.
Lets and CB,
There's an update at the top of the thread. Josh & crew are working on something, apparently. We can stay here for a goodly while yet ;-)
Posted by CaseyInTN on October 20, 2005 at 11:46 AM
Ari Fleisher was reported to have read the memo that revealed Valerie Plames name, the memo with the big S that stood for secret. It was reported that Powel brought it with him on AirForce One and Ari read it and then there was a flurry of phone calls to reporters. Yes he is involved and from what I understand, he has testified to the Grand Jury.
Link to all articles related below:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv1-&p=Ari+Fleischer+Grand+Jury+Testimony
Good afternoon Dems!! Deep mourning here in Cardinal nation, end of the season, no series, and they're tearing down our stadium. But, if I start feeling blue, I just think about how lovely Delay's mug shot is going to look plastered over all the advertising in '06. :-)
Good, I was beginning to think I was losing my mind and that I might need to be institutionalized or even worse that i might do something really stupid like join the GOP (heehee)
Posted by Burnsey on October 20, 2005 at 12:33 PM
Great link Burnsey, thanks, hope this day finds you feeling well. I'm not sure what to think about Ari, I tend to think he decided to get the heck out of Dodge before he became too deeply involved in all the shady dealings going on. Yes, I'm an optimist, I like to think at least he has a conscience.
I'm getting a little excited about 2006 too. I've been doing some research on Don Beyer who will run against Allen. It also look like former Secretary of the Navy James Webb may run. Both of these guys seem like solid candidates.
good afternoon everyone. sorry about those cards paige i was rooting for them. i mean how could i root for houston...anyhow they had a good run and maybe fitzgerald will make the tears go away.
I know squeaky clean. I thought it was when your hair is so clean it squeaks when you squeeze the water out.
the box is not visible from this page but it is visible from the main blog page.
Hi Blue!!
Hi Burnsey!!
its great that delay's lawyer had no evidence what so ever that earl had done anything wrong with the grand jury. should set up a nice hyper nasty tone to the bug boys trial.
I received an email from the RNC yesterday that was rather amusing, I logged on to the their blog (or tried to) to see what was up in kool-aid land so now I get email. They wanted me to work on a call list for one of the congressional elections!! I almost signed on so that I could use the list to tell these people NOT to vote Republican.
Okay, my dog is eating the fruit from our Korean weeping cherry (i think it's called). I hope they are not poisonous.
its great that delay's lawyer had no evidence what so ever that earl had done anything wrong with the grand jury. should set up a nice hyper nasty tone to the bug boys trial.
Posted by gregg on October 20, 2005 at 12:39 PM
That should be illegal.
Hi gregg! It's too bad, but they flat out pitched us and our offense dissapeared just like it did during the Series last year. Frustrating, but oh well. More sad to see the old stadium torn down, lots of memories as we're the same age. Dear heavens, am I next, haha??!!
Gore/Obama 08
Amanda-
Good morning love. Doctors say I am fine for now. They have a new "syndrome" that they see happening with us long termers. Something like HIV Milopathy or something to that effect. I will be getting more info in two weeks. It causes nurelogical problems in long termers even with higher t-cells. It also causes those indignancies, and is also a supposed cause of my seizures.
My Nurologist is also going to have me do a relatively new test with a sub-group in Nurology, PsychoNuerologists. Four hour test much like the SAT. Whe I get more info, and have taken it, I will tell you exactly what it is called so Robear can ask his doctor about it.
JEN-
Thanks for the links in your recent emails. I find the beatitudes very comforting. Kisses!!
PAM-
Good Morning-Hope you are well.
Gregg-
Break out the ice cream, my appetite is back in full force. I am now back up to 184 lbs, and am starting to get chubby. Some Ben and Jerry's Chunky Monkey sounds good right about now.
Anyone I missed-
Good Morning.
Paige that must be GOP.con(opps com freudian slip). I posted a copy of their little call statement yesterday and the 25 names they gave me. Its a sweet little setup they got though very organized.(too bad they aren't half as organized about running the country) PS. I was tempted too.
From the Washington Post;
Rove Told Jury Libby May Have Been His Source In Leak Case
Top Aides Talked Before Plame's Name Was Public
By Jim VandeHei and Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 20, 2005; Page A01
White House adviser Karl Rove told the grand jury in the CIA leak case that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, may have told him that CIA operative Valerie Plame worked for the intelligence agency before her identity was revealed, a source familiar with Rove's account said yesterday.
In a talk that took place in the days before Plame's CIA employment was revealed in 2003, Rove and Libby discussed conversations they had had with reporters in which Plame and her marriage to Iraq war critic Joseph C. Wilson IV were raised, the source said. Rove told the grand jury the talk was confined to information the two men heard from reporters, the source said.
To read all go here;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902431.html
Paige are you sure it wasn't the gubernatorial election here in Va?
Hello everyone. Just a quick driveby.
Well we have Wilma out there trying to decide if she is going to barrel towards Florida or not. Cat 5 no less.
Hello everyone. Just a quick driveby.
Well we have Wilma out there trying to decide if she is going to barrel towards Florida or not. Cat 5 no less.
burnsey, here comes a triple scoop and waddle over to to the fixins table and dress it up in whipped cream and sprinkles and whatever yourself.
glad to see you are becoming more instead of less...l'chaim.
bbl.
Good morning Paige,
Good morning Mr./Mrs. Waltz
Got some errands to run see you all a little later.
PEACE
J! Missed you girl! Take care of you and yours! and get the hell out of Wilma's way!!
Hi gregg, paige, Jen, and to everyone else. Miss you all.
DeLay finally is going to know how the average arrestee feels at booking and arraingment.
Morning {{{Burnsey}}}}
Jen I don't see that open thread box even when I go to the main blog page. Trust me I even tried using the october archives to see if I could find it. Weird!
gregg is that triple scoop of whipped cream and sprinkles been the average fare for breakfast??
j, been a long season of weather madness for you lady...hope your folks are ok and you get to that upper east side penthouse soon....say park avenue and 80th or so, 16th floor, pre war building, southern exposure, 3 bedrooms, 2 1/2 baths, kitchen, dining room, living room and library....i'll bring the champagne for the spitzer celebration 11/06....
If education and health are the 2 enablers of the constitution... then is not
seeeeeeeeeeeeeee BeeeeeeeeeLOW Un-constitutional (or at not my constitution)...
U.S. Gives Florida a Sweeping Right to Curb Medicaid
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: October 20, 2005
WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 - The Bush administration approved a sweeping Medicaid plan for Florida on Wednesday that limits spending for many of the 2.2 million beneficiaries there and gives private health plans new freedom to limit benefits.
I think I'd like a Feingold/ Clark ticket paige. Of course yours is better than anything the opposition might offer;)
DeLay finally is going to know how the average arrestee feels at booking and arraingment.
Posted by J on October 20, 2005 at 12:48 PM
Well, J...after all, he did say that he *IS* the Government.
And before any trolls tell me that the recanted story is the DeLay said that he was *WITH* the Government (and not the other way around) - I don't believe that. Sorry.
{{Burnsey}} so glad! mwah!
hi Will, great link!
Heretik has that one and more in his Humpty Dumby Bush on the Brink
j, yup with you gone its been rock candy, cotton candy, licorce nibs and build your own sundays three meals a day...
Oh yeah everybody, I finally got my 2004 Hurricane claim settled!!! And as for what FEMA wanted back, my attorney said: " F**k them!!!
{{Rob}}
So glad to hear that things are improving. I just IM'd my Rob and let him know about the tests. We're getting some good results from Baptist in Winston-Salem. They actually listen to long-termers and try to shape care around the individual needs rather than just presecribing whateverinhell they feel like. Or don't, as in the case of Rob's last Dr, dang his hide.
Is the weekend good for a phone visit?
LIFE...LIBERTY and the pursuit (jobs) .... need to be enabled..... actions that go against enabling the constitution are UN-constitutional ... ...
J,
Our home is open if you need a place to be. Pack who and what you need and bring yourselves on if Miz Nasty Wilma takes a turn your way, y'heah?
Well, J...after all, he did say that he *IS* the Government.
Posted by CaseyInTN on October 20, 2005 at 12:51 PM
Casey, DeLay has gotten to the point his head was too big to go through a door
Posted by J on October 20, 2005 at 12:52 PM
WOOO HOOO. GOOD FOR YOU!!
Off to "drink up" my day. Not to cold and not too warm here in S.F. I'm going to the bank and then some errands (my local neighborhood bar opens at noon)! That's after my tripple scoop sundae with hot fudge caramel strawberry sauce and bannanna with sprinkles, hold the nuts, I do!
Have to excuse me for having to adjust to the different changes folks.
Posted by CBwaltz on October 20, 2005 at 12:44 PM
Yes, that was it! They are very organized, something I didn't see enough of from us last election. I like your ticket too, I just have to go with Gore because of his expertise with the environment.
Posted by J on October 20, 2005 at 12:52 PM
Good for your attorney!! :-)
Thanks everyone for the offers of safe haven and to take care.
Gotta run, but everyone take care along with love and miss ya all!!
Burnsey: here's the press release & letter from Conyers of the Judiciary Committee to Fitzgerald asking the Special Investigator to release the report. i deduce that the report is discretionary.
www.find-a-lawyer-online.com/members_call_on_fitzgerald_to_issue_status_ghe.aspx
Even if Fitzgerald decides not to prosecute anyone, that may not be the end of the matter: The prosecutor could write a final report detailing his investigation. But unlike past special prosecutors, such as Ken Starr in the Monica Lewinsky affair, who operated under the now-expired independent counsel law, Fitzgerald is not required to produce a public report.
www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-15-cia-leak-case_x.htm?csp=36
From the Washington Post;
House GOP Leaders Postpone Vote on Reductions in Spending
Scrambling to salvage a tough new spending reduction plan, House Republican leaders delayed a vote on deeper cuts until next week and said they would broaden their list of targets to win the GOP votes needed for passage.
The House and Senate are in the process of slicing $35 billion in mandatory spending over five years, and House GOP leaders had intended to vote today to increase the total to $50 billion. But the proposal ran into problems with conservatives, who did not think it went far enough, as well as moderate Republicans, who objected to further trims in programs such as health care for the poor and elderly, student loans, and food stamps, while discretionary spending was ignored.
Now, "everything is on the table," said Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier (R-Calif.), one of the House leaders trying to save the steeper reductions. That means even defense and homeland security spending, which had been exempted, are subject to the ax -- a key addition that House leaders hope will attract enough votes to close the deal.
Democrats noted that the cuts are only one-half of a two-part budget exercise, the second act being a new slate of tax breaks. Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) called the GOP's effort to further cut spending "another rip-off of the middle class to give tax cuts to those at the highest end . "
The Senate, meanwhile, is struggling to meet the original $35 billion target, established this spring in the 2006 budget resolution. The budget lays out spending reduction goals for individual committees to meet, but the heavy lifting -- identifying specific cuts -- is unfolding in Congress this month.
To read the rest;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902169.html
Posted by Amanda_B_Reckondwythe on October 20, 2005 at 12:52 PM
Sure is. I'll call my doctor and get the name of the new syndrome, and of the tests I talked about. The syndrome is relatively new in it's naming, so they might not have a clue where you are. I do live in the City that is at the heart of most of this, or at least the start of it, so sometimes info hits here first. My Primary Care told me it is considered new, and that they don't know much about people like me who have had it for twenty years. Really going out now.
PEACE
Feingold is enviornmental as well paige;) Clark will give him military credibility. I really admire that this guy was the lone senator to say no to the patriot act AND he has taken the bull by the horns and asked for a timetable in Iraq. I also like that he was a supporter of PAYGO. The more I read about him the more I like.
Yesterday I started acquainting myself with the folks likely to run against Allen.
Have you seen this site? www.removerepublicans.com
CB - I was being sophomoric... Actually, it was your postpost where you wrote gubernatorial that I was refering to.
Pay me no nevermind...
Awww, jeez, now my irritating posts are gone from the other thread. I'm not gone though. I have to go make a presentation, but I'll BBL to annoy. :)
Hey!
J congrats on your win! Are you planning to run from Wilma or are you far enough North it is not worrying you?
We are probably gonna stay put unless it kicks back up to a 4 by Saturday and is headed for Sarasota. I saw them interview our Pug Mayor on CNN yesterday. Blech.
My poor brother. I hope he doesn't lose his boat/home/casa/life's work. sigh.
Sorry to breeze in to the middle of a chat! Hugs all!
If Kilgore wins we'll definately have to change it to "goobernatorial". He is a huge goober.
Posted by CBwaltz on October 20, 2005 at 01:02 PM
ooh, that's a neat site. I really do like Feingold and have a lot of admiration for him. You're right, he's got guts. I do think the general electorate is going to be looking for "outsiders" this election. Although Al is not an outsider, he's been out long enough to not be a part of the dismal approval rating ALL elected officials is DC get these days. I think people are just so sick of politics as usual, the worst of which has been magnified these last long years of BushCo.
Burnsey, I always hold the nuts too! ;)
Gregg, Rock candy! That reminds me of that song Big Rock Candy Mountain Originally done by Harry McClintock Listen here!
Where's the elusive "other thread"? I don't get the magic box? boohoo
Some quotes from Michael Chertoff;
Chertoff rebutted lawmakers' questions about why he worked from home Aug. 27, two days before the Category 4 storm hit, why he made a previously scheduled trip to Atlanta on Aug. 30, and why President Bush stayed at his Texas ranch until Aug. 31. "I don't think there was a sense of a lack of urgency," Chertoff said.
"I knew I became more involved in operational matters than I would normally expect to be or want to be, given the fact that I had a battlefield commander on the ground," Chertoff said, referring to Brown. "I am not a hurricane expert. I've got to rely on people to execute the details of the plan."
First, NOT URGENT? Second, He's admitting he's a dumbass just the same as Brownie.
Here's the story;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101901018.html
cb, i must have been there just before they pulled the box.
callie, can't wait for you to come back, you never annoy!
{{Dawn}}, I'll be praying for your brother and his life's work to be okay. Are you sure you don't need to get on the road? Remember people all leaving at once means big traffic. Sorry, just being a worrywart
We had an outsider this time around. Look how well that turned out. NOT. I've heard my governor Mark Warner is a strong contender. Fiscal he's great but on social issues we just don't see eye to eye. He's pro death penalty. He's done nothing about protecting womens choice. I just don't see him as someone who other than economically I'd get along with. Plus he's a businessman.....no one needs to know where he'll side with little guy vs. business.
Poor Josh, We're making him work hard again. Dr. Dean needs to give him a raise :)
We are secure here (I'm positive) up to a Cat 3 as long as it's not sustained winds. They say it will clip along as soon as it gets turned by the upper currents.
I have a better chance staying here than I would sitting for 12 hours in a traffic jam (trust me). I worry for those on the waterfront. All those Zzzzillion dollar homes washed away. poof.
I personally don't see the storm being some huge Cat 4 or 5 being so weak as to turn so sharp and head my direction but hey who am I to say? Upper winds are upper winds. But the planet still only turns ONE way and moves at a pretty fast clip as well!
it's all physics - lmao! sigh
I wish Warner would run against Allen all the hypotheticals have him leading by a 5 point margin at least. I'd support him for Senate.
okay Dawn, I trust your judgment. If you need anything if you decide to go to help you get on your way, you say the word.
Thanks Jen
If I lived in a really old home or a trailor or too close to the beach or bay I would be leaving for sure.
Or in my brothers case - on his boat (which is a sailboat w/a busted motor right now) - I told him to Sail off but apparently that's even more foolish and easier said than done.
Oh gawd Jebadiahahaha is on our local florida channel acting all compassionate. I can't stand that man. He's just so phoney.
He is phony, Dawn. My governor is a convict. Yours should be too. hehe oh glad bro is not sailing away, that would be bad!
I have a question for all on this blog. Since were all actavists for the Democrat party, I'm wondering what our age group is? In other words, I'm wondering how many of the younger folks are interested in making a change as compared to the older folks? So, what is your age if I may ask?
Mine is 40, born in 1965.
Domingo posted this last night, and I thought it was really important.
What kind of country treats its disabled and mentally ill this way?
Certainly not a "Christian" country!?
LOL Jen
I took this opportunity to bring down the cat carrier from the upper closet and clean it out... it's been sitting on the floor in my room since yesterday and Figaro has been sticking his nose in it and then coming over to me with the cutest look. He remembers all the moves we used to make when he was young!
Logan has investigated as well but seems clueless. (she is clueless) lol
Al Franken is on point today, just mentioning. How's the laptop? Did you fix it?
Will, I am documented at 71...1934...translates to 14 going on 15
Jen,
If I hadn't had my house paid for when my back broke, I'd be one of those outiside in the wheelchair or stuck permanantly in a nursing home.
But even at that childlike age I feel a 20 min nap comming on...bbl
The reason for the age question, I don't think there will be many at all say under the age of 30. If so, that's something that needs to be really worked on.
Black like me I have an 8 and a 6 year old boys as well. It might be cool for all the boys to correspond. They could learn a little about another place and practice their writing skills. We're in Virginia, what part of the country are you in?
Posted by CBwaltz on October 19, 2005 at 01:39 PM
Good morning Everyall,
CBwaltz,
We live in sw-NY. I asked my son if he would like to have a penpal and at first was apprehensive because he did not know what one was, but then kinded of warmed to the idea. I agree this would help his third grade writing by help him write about what he's thinking. He is a great narrator, but needs reinforcement in writing his thoughts. My question, with so much ID theft and other negative stuff happening through the internet, how can we get this going?
I must leave for work, so once again I must go.
Thanks for the great idea!!:)
49 highly seasoned solar rotations here! (feels like 100 some days)
thank heaven your house was paid for Will. What happened to pay attention to how you treat 'the least of these'? even though i think everyone is of equal value in the eyes of the creator.
aww, figaro! how cute Dawn! laptop is supposed to be fixed by bestbuy 10/22 but i called yesterday and it didn't look like it had been sent back yet so i don't know. i replaced the hard drive but the disk drive wasn't reading so i had to take it in. lucky i had paid for the extended service. i guess. thx for asking. :)
For Florida folks (I just got this in my email but can not participate, maybe you can?) sorry for length!
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letshelpdean,
I am glad your here because you have seen first hand the hstory that has taken place from WWII up till now. I can only recount remembering things back to say 1968-1970. Before that, I have to refer to history that my parents, and school taught me. I found that history books do not tell the whole truth, and have a lot of half-truths, or mis-truths. This I think is due to the historians politics. My dad was born in 1919 and my mother in 1921. Both seen a lot and reminded me how hard it was back in those days. My grandfather was born in 1887 If I recall, and told me more there. It pays kids to ask questions and find the truth.
Posted by Christopher_blunt on October 20, 2005 at 01:48 PM
LMAO!
(another long one sorry) DPD this is what WES is doing for your buddy Ed!
Dear Dawn,
Many of you probably already know Ed Schultz, a prominent progressive radio talk show host who is syndicated nationwide. You may not know what happened this week though.
After being told that the first hour of Ed Schultz's daily radio show would air live on Armed Forces Radio every day, the Pentagon suddenly reversed the decision and refused to air Ed's program Monday morning, only hours before the first show would have been broadcast. The explanation for this sudden reversal seems weak.
Last year, Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) introduced a resolution that was unanimously passed by the Senate, urging Secretary Rumsfeld and Armed Forces Radio to ensure more political balance in programming. Then, at the end of September, Manny Levy, Chief of the Radio Division of the American Forces Network Broadcast Center, advised Schultz's distributor, Jones Radio, that: "AFN Radio has squared away everything on our end to begin carrying the first hour of 'The Ed Schultz Show' each day, beginning Monday, October 17, 2005."
But suddenly, at 7 am on Monday the 17th, Allison Barber, the Pentagon's deputy assistant secretary for internal communications -- the same person who was responsible for staging last week's ill-fated video conference between President Bush and American troops in Iraq -- called Schultz's producer. Without any further explanation, she simply said that the deal was off.
We must let our voices be heard and exercise leadership to help ensure that the spirit of Senator Harkin's resolution -- and the spirit of fairness -- are at play on taxpayer financed programming.
Send an email to your Members of Congress now -- urge them to enforce fair play on Armed Forces Radio!
It was just 11 years ago when 70 Republican Members of Congress, led by then Congressman Robert Dornan (R-CA), demanded that President Clinton's Secretary of Defense Les Aspin broadcast Rush Limbaugh's radio and television programs to the military.
Well if Armed Services Radio is good enough for Rush Limbaugh, it's certainly good enough for Ed Schultz.
Tell your Members of Congress to urge the Pentagon to honor their promise and air the Ed Schultz Show on Armed Forces Radio!
Sincerely,
Wes Clark
sheesh, What part of "We've been waiting for 5 years for you to do your Job, Idiot, did you miss?" Besides most vacation days in history, has ruined every single thing he has touched!
WASHINGTON - President Bush vowed Thursday to avoid the "background noise" of criminal investigations and other Republican political problems to focus on the nation's needs.
"The American people expect me to do my job, and I'm going to," the president said.
The youngest one of us so far is Jen at 37. I highly doubt we'll see an age in the 20's. I have been active in politics since I could first vote. My first vote was against Regan for his 2nd term. In Kentucky, we had the voting machines with the levers. In those, you could pull one lever and vote straight Democrat which I did. I wish we had those machines everywhere instead of having to pick through everyone. By picking through, if your not for sure of ones politics, you could accidentally vote for a republican. Here in Ohio at one time, with the punch card type votes, they didn't tell what their politics were, just gave their name and what they were running for. They should be forced to put a (D) or (R) after each name.
Good afternoon, all.
Posted by Will_Matney on October 20, 2005 at 01:36 PM
You and I are the same age, at least for the next 17 days. I'll be 41 November 6.
Blacklikeme you can email me @ dazedcunf@adelphia.net. I'll trust you aren't a stalker :) and give you my addy from there. I'm originally from LI Ny We lived in Baldwin until I was 12.
NOTHING MORE NEEDS BE SAID. I ESPCIALLY CHUCKLED (THOUGH IT IS REALLY SERIOUS) AT THE PART WHERE CONDI SAID BUSH PREFERS DIPLOMACY.
ALL U.S. CITIZENS NEED TO BE VERY CONCERNED AS LONG AS THESE PEOPLE OCCUPY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH . . .
Rice Declines to Rule Out Widening War to Syria
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: October 19, 2005
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice declined on Wednesday to rule out American forces still being needed in Iraq a decade from now. Senators warned that the Bush administration must play it straight with the public or risk losing public support for the war.
Pushed by senators from both parties to define the limits of U.S. involvement in Iraq and the Middle East, Rice also declined to rule out the use of military force in Iran or Syria, although she said the administration prefers diplomacy.
''I don't think the president ever takes any of his options off the table concerning anything to do with military force,'' Rice said.
Posted by Will_Matney on October 20, 2005 at 02:09 PM
Will
My 24yr old daughter hangs with a group of 20-something activists who rally together for most votes and such at the local college. Their group works 2 jobs and goes to college so no time to blog! Ya know? hehe.
WASHINGTON - Congress gave the gun lobby its top legislative priority Thursday, passing a bill protecting the firearms industry from massive crime-victim lawsuits. President Bush said he will sign it.
"Our laws should punish criminals who use guns to commit crimes, not law-abiding manufacturers of lawful products," Bush said in a statement
(Law-abiding manufactuers would not be abiding by the law, Had Bush not lifted the restriction for armor piercing bullets, Machine guns, etc! I can't believe the Police Unions are not Screaming Bloody murder over this ! Wait till the first cop gets shot thru his vest, or has his head taken off with an uzzi. The widows will wish they had someone to sue!)
===== Breaking news on ABCNEWS.COM=====
DeLay has turned himself in.
We return to our regularly scheduled program.
HAPPY BIRTH DAY TO YOU! HAPPY BIRTH DAY TO YOU! HAPPY BIRTH DAY DEAR CHRISTINNNNNNE - HAPPY BIRTH DAY TO YOU! (and many moreeeee)
:-)
It seems like the Pentagon has a problem with FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS. They are supposed to be paying for armor, they are supposed to be allowing multiple viewpoints and yet neither is being followed. I think Ed should sue for enforcement. I also think that some of the soldiers families should get together and get a class action going. Obviously the judicial or law ENFORCEMENT branch needs to be involved since the DoD seems to want to do it's own thing. I'm not usually a big lawsuit advocate but I do believe that if folks ignore laws that they should be penalized.
lol percy isn't it ironic?
Rice looked absolutely hideous testifying yesterday! It was so scary watching her, I thought she might grow fangs and attack or something.
YAY Delay is DONE! Thanks Casey, I caught that on the ticker below Kyra A.D.D. Phillips on CNN!
Wow Dawn! Your cyber voice is beautiful. Thank you (blushing)
Stupid, Stupid Republicans.
We Need A Fence?
TV ads say "easy immigration from Mexico" provides cover for terrorists. But the 9/11 hijackers had visas. And what about Canada?
hehe YW CB
Cyber a cappella!! As in tune as you want it to be! hehe.
CaseyInTN,
I seen on his warrent that the bail was $510,000 which menas giving the bail bondsman $51,000. 10% is the usual amount for the bondsman. That is money he wont get back! That will make me sleep better knowing that has to come out of his pocket. Surely, they wouldn't let him out on his own recognacence. If they were to, they wouldn't have shown the bail amount on the warrent?
Posted by Will_Matney on October 20, 2005 at 02:09 PM
New York also has the lever machines, but I don't think there's one lever you can pull to vote a straight-party ticket.
My first vote was also against Reagan in '84, but at the time, I was a college student attending school out of state. So I voted absentee on a paper ballot while I was home on fall break. My first time in the voting booth, years later, it took me forever to figure out how the levers worked. I would've been completely lost but for the fact that my father had taken me to vote with him once when I was a kid, and I vaguely remembered how it worked.
New York does require party affiliation to be listed on the ballot, but is also one of the few (the only?) states that permits cross-endorsement, i.e., a candidate can be endorsed by more than one party. Occasionally you even see Democrats and Republicans endorsing the same candidate (usually for a position like town justice or something). When that happens, I'll vote for the candidate on the Democratic line, just so that, if he/she is paying attention, he/she will know where the votes are comng from and what expectations are.
Hi {{Y'all}}
Back from lunch.
I read that DeLay has turned himself in for booking. The sad part is that he already knows the drill; been there, done that before. With minimal luck and good fortune from Above, the next time he sees the inside of the sheriff's office, it'll be on his way to a long rest.
Preferably Draper.
Hey, Will, 48 here. Just that age where hair quits coming out the top of the head and sprouts everywhere else :-P LOL
bluntereno we be the same age! no wonder i understand your sensibility.
Dawnelle,
You can tell all those kids I'm durn proud of them! That's what it's going to take. Even though there was a lot who were registered the last election, they didn't go vote! These folks need to be worked on by the young ones like your daughter.If the republicans get their way, they wont be any financial help for anyone going to college.
Amanda -
Ewww!
However, I can relate to the hair sprouting out all over the place. I just turned 42. Woo-hoo!!!
Some days I feel like I'm 25...some days, more like 65. Today is a 41 day. LOL
Hey Dawn,
I think the DeLay arrest, is a formality. He only has a $10,000 bond, but the fingerprinting and photo op should be worth something. Wonder who will have the guts to leak those out?
If he pleads not guilty, won't he have a jury trial? Not sure how it all works.
Rep. Tom DeLay was ordered to appear for booking on state conspiracy and money laundering charges, and he could be fingerprinted and photographed as early as Thursday.
A state court issued the arrest warrant for DeLay on Wednesday and set an initial bail of $10,000, a routine step before the Texas Republican's first court appearance Friday in Austin.
In DeLay's home county, Fort Bend County Chief Deputy Craig Brady said arrangements were being made for DeLay to come in sometime Thursday for booking and fingerprinting.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/10/20/national/w014435D08.DTL
callie, can't wait for you to come back, you never annoy!
Posted by Jen on October 20, 2005 at 01:09 PM
Jen-
Some days I'm in more of a mood than others.
Some days I feel like I'm 25...some days, more like 65. Today is a 41 day. LOL
Posted by CaseyInTN on October 20, 2005 at 02:31 PM
This is on the coffee mug of one of the secretaries in my office, and it fits me to a tee:
I look 30, act 20, feel like 60, must be 40.
Pam,
On the Capias (warrent) I just re-checked the bond amount and it was $510,000. It says;
"Bond set at 510,000"
Our old friend from the blog, Lance, was hoping to maybe go stand outside today to get a glimpse of it all.
Once inside, he was fingerprinted and his mug shot was taken. He was later released after posting a $10,000 bond, according to The Associated Press.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/20/Delay.booking/index.html
Posted by Will_Matney on October 20, 2005 at 02:30 PM
Thank Michael Moore for the young college kids waking up! My daughter's group were the ones who bought MY ticket and took me to see his movie! Although I was all for it! I was glad he was reaching them as no others could at the time. It was her age group being sent to Iraq when this all first started!!
Too bad Delay didn't get strung up in the city square!!! Arrrggghhh! I want every last one of the bastards put on a chain gang or road detail in little orange suits. :) hehehehehe
Posted by PamB on October 20, 2005 at 02:32 PM
They will be front page on every Dem Blog and website for days!! hehe!
Terry - sounds reasonable - and a bit optimisitic (looks 30?) well i guess if you are exactly 40. pahaha.
Hey Callie!
Teenagers are starting to wake up politically too. My nieces and nephew (late teens) believe in the same values and ideals as your average liberal or progressive. They will be very influential in changing the greedy tide of repulicanism.
If I remember correctly, there was a troll not long ago, using the Oil for Food scandal as his biggie against the UN! Funny how he never connected any US companies to the scandal!
A US oil trading company has pleaded guilty to involvement in the Iraq oil-for-food scandal and agreed to pay a fine of $250,000 (£141,000).
Will-
Im 26. I really mostly just lurk here everyday but have commented a few times. One of which is now. Im just a bit shy I suppose but I appreciate everyones opinion and its AMAZING how much information I get from all of you.
So there are some of us youngins' around........
Posted by Exile on October 20, 2005 at 02:40 PM
rat bastard!!
We just need to hold on for a while longer, Blue! Which reminds me, last night I posted something about a Republican Youth Majority Internship which is looking for a new generation of Republicans who are "pro-choice" and "pro-environment."
I got this in my email at work and I had to wonder if this is their new strategy to get kids into the party or if this is old hat. Those two ideals just seemed so un-Republican!!!
Posted by Dunkling
PARTNERSHIP WITH AMERICA (I like that!)
Freedom
Equality
Economic Opportunity
Global Democracy
Clinton was skilled at addressing specific issues that people could FEEL. The above are pretty high brow issues that I'm afraid, although important, won't connect with people.
I agree that high brow issues won't connect. My point in the post was that we need values and issues and I presented these ideas as a possible set of values. Someone else suggested privacy and I think inclusivness belongs in here somewhere, but I worry about the list getting too long.
The Republicans have clearly understood values which include strict construction, small government, military solutions, faith-based leadership, and America first. Obviously, they don't uphold their own values, but the mainstream still takes them for granted. What's more, the Republicans present us valueless and in opposition to all their values.
In order to innoculate ourselves from this tactic we need clearly understood values of our own. I'm not saying it has to be this list, but it needs to be something and I wanted to get the ball rolling.
Posted by ConfessorVoid on October 20, 2005 at 02:49 PM
What is meant by "global democracy"?
Will,
I was in college during election time. Lots of the kids from the left were really passionate. We almost had a knock down drag out in public speaking class because we had a guy do his public speaking on the case for deposing Saddam in Iraq (previously one of the speakers did one on the bogus intelligence being used for the war. Silly me I asked if the guy saying that giving the Iraqis freedom was a viable argument for war did that mean he supported the draft because the world was full of evil dictators? Which prompted the female opposition to war person into asking why he was not over in Iraq. It got heated enough that the proctor/instructor stopped the discussion. I'm such a troublemaker.
Posted by Exile on October 20, 2005 at 02:40 PM
rat bastard!!
Posted by Dawnelle on October 20, 2005 at 02:48 PM
Oh, jeez, for a second, I thought you were calling ME a "rat bastard!" I was like "What did I do?!"
So Allison gets the mug shot first? I've not seen it anywhere else.
Didn't realize Delay had no upper lip!
Posted by Exile on October 20, 2005 at 02:51 PM
NO WAY!! lol
Was remembering something on some comedy show about Delay and I think Jon Stewart called him that? Anyway NO WAY sista!! not you!
Well, now he won't have to pose for a driver's license photo this year. Sheeesh. He should get ten years in the slammer just for not taking the matter seriously.
That bond amount shown though on the warrent could have been 5 = $, but there was no bar through the middle to indicate a dollar sign, and the top was flat and bottom round like a 5. It's a little grainy but I zoomed in and it still looked like a 5 to me. $10,000 just sounds awful low for the crime he did. They generally throw the book at you over this, and DeLay would be considered a flight risk over his wealth which raises the bond amount.
From a Media Matter Email:
In an October 20 article on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's questioning before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, The New York Times reported: "The hearing was punctuated by a heckler who called for an end to the war, only to be hustled out." But what one would not know from reading the Times' account was that the "heckler" is a former senior-level U.S. diplomat and former Army colonel. The Washington Post report on the hearing noted:
As Rice testified, former U.S. diplomat Mary Ann Wright stood up and shouted from the audience, "Stop the killing in Iraq. You and Congress have to be responsible." Wright, a senior envoy in the U.S. embassies in Afghanistan and Mongolia, resigned in protest in 2003.
As the Associated Press reported on May 25, 2003, Wright was "former deputy chief of mission at U.S. embassies in Sierra Leone, Afghanistan and most recently Mongolia" as well as "a former Army colonel," who joined two other diplomats in sending resignation letters to then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell because "they found the Bush administration's case for war unconvincing and its approach toward other countries condescending."
Blue
He certainly shouldn't be allowed in the House with his record of ethics violations. There should be a Congressional "three strikes" law.
quick in and out just to say yay about delay being booked!
and
hi Sarah!
and
later guys
Posted by BlueinIdaho on October 20, 2005 at 02:55 PM
he's living in his own little bizarro world, indeed.
I do believe HE thinks he's the head sheriff in town!
Posted by CBwaltz on October 20, 2005 at 02:57 PM
Well, maybe I could see it keeping him out of certain committees, but I think the voters should strike him out, if you know what I mean.
This is a "must" read on MSNBC . . .
When White House spin spins out of control
Lessons from the special prosecutor’s office
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9751606/
{{{jen-fur}}} okie dokie!
anyone understand what's being voted on right now on cspan 2?
Hey, that Campaign Camp Dawnelle posted seems like a great idea. We should have something like that everywhere. Make it part of our "50 State Strategy".
What a smug arrogant A**hole! Bet he won't be grinning the day the Jury says GUILTY !
I should think the inability to act within the scope of the law would disqualify a person from being a LAWMAKER. He should be removed and they should be asked to chose a qualified candidate. If a person can't even follow the rules his own group makes, he has no business making the rules for the rest of us.
Think about it . If criminals break the law three times we send them to prison "FOR LIFE". Why should Tom Delay who has three ethical violations, as of now, be allowed to keep a position that SHOULD be expected to offer a degree of trust and SHOULD have an expectation of high standards.
just shy of 40 here.
Feels like 100 on my good days. Robear can testify. Amanda? Could I have an AMEN, sister?
Back out to the sunny San Francisco Day. Fog blew away and I want to enjoy it. October is our best month of the year, for those that ever want to visit here. Sunny and high temps in the day, and cool in the afternoons. Not too hot and not too cool, all you need is a light jacket.....
Points for anyone that knows where that last line comes from...
PEACE
Josh you are fast!!
That mug is on the DNC blog front already!! hehe!
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could convince Mary Wright to run for a public office. We need people who believe in accountability.
I'm 44. Never thought I'd say that!! I don't feel like I'm 44.
Burnsey, was gonna shot you a quick email but I see you're here now. So glad to hear they are figuring things out for you medically. Sounds like things are looking up!!
Jen, I'm still writing to you. Everything is kewl,though.
And I have no magic box that Josh asserts will lead me to open thread. Maybe I'm being tested?
Will-
Im 26. I really mostly just lurk here everyday but have commented a few times. One of which is now. Im just a bit shy I suppose but I appreciate everyones opinion and its AMAZING how much information I get from all of you.
So there are some of us youngins' around........
Posted by SarahZ on October 20, 2005 at 02:47 PM
------------------------------------------------
Sarah,
There's no reason to be shy on here, I think we all welcome you to participate at any time. I know for one, I'm glad your here. Any questions you have, always feel free to ask, and feel free to make comments when you like.
ok, had to pop back in with this
Miers is a Liar
thx rose and dawn ;)
later!
Aww my Man John Conyers is talking on CSPAN.
I wish he'd get some Medal of Democracy or something! Maybe a Nobel Prize for Honesty!
Rosez,
If so we have the same test. I thought I was going crazy or puter was broke earlier.
New thread just posted with DeLay's mug shot. Bush must have lent him some of his private stash, because he's smiling like zoombie.
Posted by RoseZ on October 20, 2005 at 03:15 PM
The box has gone its' merry way until they can get a bug worked out. Thanks for the thoughts and the previous emails. You made me smile.
SEE YOU ALL LATER
Dawn,
With the rampant corruption lately perhaps we should start an incentive program (heehee)
I thought the whole point of not having parties listed on local ballots was so candidates would be elected by merit rather than party affiliation. I know this is wildly idealistic for several reasons. I don't complain about the no party listing rule since it makes me actually go and find out about the candidates. I get wrapped up in national and world events and don't know much about local candidates.
At the end of the day I would still prefer to teach people to think critically and get informed than provide the crutch of party-line voting. I know I'm being idealistic but if we don't set goals we don't get results.
For the record I'm 36. If we want young people to blog we have to set up a way to do it with cell text messaging.
tootsie pops for everyone in the Congress who can stay out of trouble for the day. Can we tell I'm in a silly mood today?
Posted by CBwaltz on October 20, 2005 at 03:17 PM
If that isn't bad enough, the posts about the DeLay mug shot on the main page were there. I kept refreshing, and I got nothing!! It finally showed up.
It's a plot, I tell ya!!
Noooooo....please God, No!!!
Fire the Special Prosecutor? Shades of Watergate
When the Watergate scandal reached a similar stage in October 1973, President Richard Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire the intrepid special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. Richardson resigned rather than carry out Nixon's order; and so did his deputy William Ruckleshaus. So Nixon had to reach farther down into the Justice department where he found Robert Bork, who promptly dismissed Cox in the so-called Saturday Night Massacre.
Fitzgerald is at least as vulnerable as Cox was. Indeed, in recent days some of the fourth estate, Richard Cohen in the Washington Post and John Tierney in The New York Times, for example, seem to have accepted assignments to help lay the groundwork for Fitzgerald's dismissal.
Will the White House decide to fire special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, and simply absorb the PR black eye, as Nixon did? There is absolutely nothing to prevent it. Can you imagine Attorney General Alberto Gonzales refusing on principle an order from President Bush?
Can dumbya really fire Fitzgerald (my current favorite prosecuter)?
Posted by ConfessorVoid on October 20, 2005 at 03:04 PM
I thought it sounded interesting as well. Wish I could participate somehow. If anyone chooses to enroll please let us know how it goes!!
Posted by CBwaltz on October 20, 2005 at 03:20 PM
ya know Christine, when ever I find out I have been lied to or "played" I usually get extremely angree. Don't you?
I wonder just how many PUGS are waking up today? The koolaid is a trick and all tricks end eventually. Glad I've been OFF the stuff all along!
So, what is your age if I may ask?
Mine is 40, born in 1965.
Posted by Will_Matney on October 20, 2005 at 01:36 PM
I was named for the President's (JFK) Widow. Thank goodness her name wasn't Matilda. I turned 41 on 9-29 just past.
But MJ said I'm 35, and I'm sticking to it. (doesn't a woman reach her sexual peak at that age? Yep, I'm sticking)
Confessorvoid,
Shhhhh Don't tell but my 13 year old is more tech savvy then me. Anytime I can't get something to work and hubby isn't home my oldest figures it out. He still can't figure how i made it to 36 without being able to program a VCR;)
Both my daughters, now ages 17 & almost 21, have been involved in politics there whole lives. I remember taking them to democratic club meetings when they were babies. They have walked in parades and stuffed candidate envelopes for over 10 years, know all local dem. candidates by name, the oldest has worked the polls the last 3 elections and is now running for village council in her timy hamlet.
Breaking News...reports that one of Hussein's Lawyers has been kidnapped. (Unconfirmed)
Do ya think maybe he got a free ride on the Red Sox plane to Gitmo?
(doesn't a woman reach her sexual peak at that age? Yep, I'm sticking)
Posted by Bleujae on October 20, 2005 at 03:24 PM
what koolaide R U drinking? lol
Terry - sounds reasonable - and a bit optimisitic (looks 30?) well i guess if you are exactly 40. pahaha.
Posted by Dawnelle on October 20, 2005 at 02:44 PM
I am exactly 40, at least for another 17 days.
I've been told I look younger than I am. Looks 30? Maybe pushing it just a bit. If I lost some weight and didn't have so much gray hair . . . I still get zits from time to time, believe it or not.
And they both have helped pack supply bags for elections as well as helping give DRE demostrations.
My youngest will work the polls next spring when she is 17...making her the youngest pollworker to ever work in our county.
Posted by Terry on October 20, 2005 at 03:27 PM
roflol oh my too much info!! LOLOL acne sucks!
Hi, ALL
Dawn I have no prob w/ long posts that are NEW. (Not copy and paste of whole conversations which happened DAYS ago).
It eats up thread, serves NO purpose (except Am Not!! / Are Too!!) and plays hell with the people who are on dial up. (I'm not, BTW. Comcrap dsl)
Posted by DPD on October 20, 2005 at 03:30 PM
ok thanks for that. I think the problem is with me and my dislike of long posts. I like getting a warning. hehe!
Hey what's the big deal about the Astros winning?
I'm watching them all over the news lately.
Okay, I'm out. I need a shower after seeing DeLay's mugshot. Not kidding.
Good afternoon, all.
You know things must be going pretty badly for the domestic economy, when Rice wants to keep the war going in Iraq for another ten years so Halliburton can just meet their quarterly profit forcasts. You'd think the money they are making off Katrina reconstruction would be enough.
The whole problem with the defense offered so far by the White House in Plamegate is that it doesn't explain the haste with which they pushed the invasion....it was like they knew that if Congress had had enough time to look into the intelligence themselves, they would have found out what Cheney had been up to. The grand jury should supenna some of the British intelligence officers involved to find out who was calling them begging for favors.
Besides, it's time Tony Blair was dragged into this. If a foreign government helped a White House official to commit fraud, this goes way beyond obstruction of justice or lying under oath. I would think Parliament might be interested in finding out just how they were jerked around by the Bush crime syndicate.
People don't play me Dawny cause I'm not very nice when folks don't play fair. I definitely can be a witch with a capital B. Hubby can tell you about a spitting contest me and his old CO got in when he tried to force my hubby to run on a bad knee. The adjectives used to describe me were "smart, pissed and attitude" Yep, that's me when you make me angry. Fortunately it takes me a while to get to that point. I'm usually pretty mellow and even keeled.
Good afternoon, all.
You know things must be going pretty badly for the domestic economy, when Rice wants to keep the war going in Iraq for another ten years so Halliburton can just meet their quarterly profit forcasts. You'd think the money they are making off Katrina reconstruction would be enough.
The whole problem with the defense offered so far by the White House in Plamegate is that it doesn't explain the haste with which they pushed the invasion....it was like they knew that if Congress had had enough time to look into the intelligence themselves, they would have found out what Cheney had been up to. The grand jury should supenna some of the British intelligence officers involved to find out who was calling them begging for favors.
Besides, it's time Tony Blair was dragged into this. If a foreign government helped a White House official to commit fraud, this goes way beyond obstruction of justice or lying under oath. I would think Parliament might be interested in finding out just how they were jerked around by the Bush crime syndicate.
Posted by Dawnelle on October 20, 2005 at 03:29 PM
Not nearly as bad as it was 20-25 years ago, though.
Posted by RoseZ on October 20, 2005 at 03:33 PM
LOL bye Rose!
Blue,
Remember "Globalism"? I think this was one of the key successes of Clinton we don't talk about enough, if at all. During the Clinton era we had stronger global institutions whose job was to handle global problems. They also had the effect of increasing trade and promoting democracy in nations who wanted to participate in the global community.
Global Democracy means we want to focus that concept. We want global institutions which have the power to solve problems and enforce resolutions passed in a democratic structure.
This is in opposition the the Global Dictatorship of Bush. Republicans will oppose this because it means other nations get a say in which policies go forward and how policy should be implemented. Right now the official policy of the Republicans is it's the world's job to do what we tell them to do.
No Dawn, not kool-aid...and no vino until later!
And you would never know I just completed my keyboarding test with flying colors!
haha
Back to the grind.
Enjoy the afternoon.
Posted by Trish on October 20, 2005 at 03:22 PM
wait - hold the phone - can he do that??????
Posted by Bleujae on October 20, 2005 at 03:38 PM
If you've got the energy - go for it!
Congrats to your kids as well. You've done good Ma!
Trish,
I posted this a couple days ago, and I am relying on it's accuracy. I hope it is true.
One article reveals that Fitzgerald is fully empowered, and cannot be unseated, to accomplish the impeachment; NOT "Special Prosecutor" who can be removed, but ACTUAL "US Attorney", hence, fully empowered:
Thursday, July 28, 2005
TREASONGATE: The Controlling Law - Big Trouble For The White House Staff.
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/07/treasongate-controlling-law-big.html
2.
Another article reflects on Fitzgerald's effectiveness, and provides the Appellate Court's language confirming Citizen Spook's analysis of Fitzgerald's empowerment:
"... Those guidelines provide that subpoenas for testimony by news media must be approved by the Attorney General, a requirement not pertinent in the present case as the Special Counsel had received delegation of ALL the Attorney General’s authority
Breaking News...reports that one of Hussein's Lawyers has been kidnapped. (Unconfirmed)
Do ya think maybe he got a free ride on the Red Sox plane to Gitmo?
Posted by DPD on October 20, 2005 at 03:26 PM
DPD, the poor guy probably had the Swiss Bank account numbers where Saddam hid the money that Rummy paid him for gassing the Iranians...and the personally written letter of thanks from Cheney. There's no way that the Bush crime family is going to let Saddam provide his own defense. Maybe he should get in touch with Fizgerald and tell all?
Posted by PamB on October 20, 2005 at 03:43 PM
Big Whewwwwww! I think I remember reading that Pammy! Thanks!!! Man that would just be the chit to have all this work of Fitzgeralds go down the tube!
Now I must run pick up meds for upcoming storm. BBL Peace and Hugs!!
Dawn,
Like I said, I am hoping this was true, but who knows.
I think if Bush were able to, and actually fired him, it would look Really bad for their side!
Thank you...thank you...thank you, Pam! That is MOST reassuring...can't put anything past/beneath these criminal thugs!!!
From the front page of the blog:
"...and without this program, how many Democratic organizers do you think there'd be in Idaho this time of year?."
Well probably not much since most of us Dems in Idaho feel pretty much abandoned each and every year. Yeah, I know, a little sensitive....
Posted by ConfessorVoid on October 20, 2005 at 03:36 PM
Thank you. When I saw "global democracy" the first thing I thought of was George's attempt to force other nations to follow the US form of government.
Smilin' Tom will face a jury of his peers in Austin, TX. well, maybe not the kind of peerage Smilin' Tom would prefer, as Austin is mostly Democratic, quite liberal and also a recent victim of the gerrymandering Delay is now going to trial over. Austin lost one of it's favorite sons from Congress when smilin' Tom orchestrated his redistricitng scheme.
How do you say, revenge is best served cold?
I wonder how our 50 state strategy is going? We haven't had an update for a bit.
52 here
BBl, neighbor bouught over Apple Pie, and wants me to type up some stuff for her. (Shoulder surgery, again. I hope she sues her boss for making her work on the loading dock because of HIS screw ups.)
darn it again. it was NOT a Red Sox plane. It bore no team logo. It was leased to one of the minority partners for occassional personal use by the same ownership group that leased it to the CIA. The Red Sox never used the jet. The leasing group however made big bucks from the CIA.
Hello to all my fellow Democrats out there.
I'm holding down the fort here at 48, feeling younger than I did at 38.
Goodness 1 ask and you shall receive. Link to 50 state strategy now a thread. Hooray!
And how about those terminally timid Democrats on Capitol Hill? If Scripture is accurate in saying that the meek will inherit the earth, then Senate Democrats can look forward to being land barons.
Mark Shields
This one is for buzz on the subject threads.
CB
I can post your list of cases if you want but I believe I can summarize their general theme in a way that wont take up too much thread space (most of the cases were 5-4 decisions involving the use of the commerce clause to justify congressional legislation/regulation).
As you know, I argued that Justice Ginsburg was an activist judge who legislates from the bench. I stand by that comment. Others may disagree that but they cannot disagree that Justice Ginsburg consistently uses the commerce clause to justify the constitutionality of congressional legislation/regulation, even though the legislation/regulation may or may not deal with interstate commerce. The best case that illustrates this US v Lopez, which shot down part of the Gun Free School Zone Act.
In this case, the majority found that the Gun Free School Zone Act was unconstitutional primarily because it had nothing to do with regulating commerce. Justice Ginsburg joined the dissenting opinion and argued unsuccessfully that Congress could use the commerce clause to justify the act. In my opinion, this is a clear case of judicial activism.
Just because you believe that a law is a good idea doesn’t mean that it is constitutional.
If you want me to cite the other cases I will but I think you see where I am coming from.
In response to your age question, I am 33 going on 34.
Frostie
Terry - You share the same birthday as my son Mark. He'll be 20 years old Nov. 6th - and God willing he'll be home on leave to celebrate it with us before he leaves for Kuwait.
I like November 'babies'! :)
Cat pictures for Jen, as promised. I do not have any photos of my own personal ugly cat, but this page is a good representation. Happy Halloween.
Sen. Gregg Wins $853K in Powerball Game
Thursday, October 20, 2005
WASHINGTON — New Hampshire Republican Sen. Judd Gregg has won $853,492 in the Powerball lottery. D.C. Lottery officials handed the senator an oversize check for the full amount when he went to stake his claim at the lottery office on Thursday.
Gregg bought $20 worth of tickets at a Citgo gas station in Washington, D.C. He said he was driving by and decided to buy some gas, and he doesn't usually play the lottery. Gregg later added that he bought the winning ticket on Monday when he was on his way from Baltimore, Md., to the Capitol, where a vote was being held.
He said he nearly walked off with three of the four pages of numbers before the cashier called him back for the last page. He said he believes that page held the winning ticket.
Wednesday's jackpot was worth $340 million, the largest in the game's history. One ticket sold in Oregon matched all six numbers drawn in Wednesday's lottery. More than 4.4 million other people shared $34 million in smaller prize handouts.
Though Gregg will have to pay about 35 percent of his earnings in federal income tax, New Hampshire, where he files his taxes, will not get a chunk of the money.
"We have no taxes in New Hampshire. No sales tax, no income tax. All you should come up there, spend some time, enjoy yourselves," he said, adding that he's not going to be quitting his job because of the winnings.
The SAD Truth !
Of course, we all know that the fix is in: If anyone in the White House is actually indicted and convicted for the high crime of exposing the identity of an undercover agent -- in wartime, no less -- they will certainly be pardoned when George W. Bush finally limps away from the steaming, stinking, blood-soaked ruin of his presidency. Nobody will do any hard time; in the end, the whole sick crew will simply pass through the golden revolving door into the lifetime gravy train of corporate grease and right-wing lecture-circuit glory.
Here is another article I found which leads me to believe Fitzgerald could not be "fired" by Bush.
Patrick Fitzgerald has before him the most important criminal case in American history. Watergate, by comparison, was a random burglary in an age of innocence. The investigator’s prosecutorial authority in this present case is not constrained by any regulation. If he finds a thread connecting the leak to something greater, Fitzgerald has the legal power to follow it to the web in search of the spider
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-most-important-crimin_b_9183.html
http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/10-20-2005/50dd0010ed54c8cf.html
Women urge U.S. president to withdraw nominee for top refugee and population post
If you haven't seen this you should.
Also, please don't consider me anti-Dem because of my name. I have a very sweet dog who happens to be a pug - thus the name I use "puggles."
Posted by Frostie94 on October 20, 2005 at 04:59 PM
Using a case where J. Ginsburg joined a dissent as proof that she is a judicial activist is mind boggling. It is as mindboggling as voting for Bush to prevent judicial activism.
You're entitled to your opinions, however wrong and misguided they may be.
And, your second amendment assessment is likewise on shaky ground.
BTW, Frostie, my spouse and I are dems and we own at least 12 firearms ranging from small caliber handguns to shotguns. Allowing them to be distributed and sold without any restriction is the issue for dems, not prying them away from your "cold dead hands".
Go, Blue! Wait, I'm in Ohio, I can't say that without the OSU fans getting on my ass.
Posted by Jen on October 20, 2005 at 06:17 PM
Yes, be wary, they are doped up on all those buckeyes....to me, the leaves have always looked suspiciously like MJ....
Using a case where J. Ginsburg joined a dissent as proof that she is a judicial activist is mind boggling. It is as mindboggling as voting for Bush to prevent judicial activism.
Hi Blue,
Just when you think you have heard it all, along comes another one to make you shake your head, huh?
Blue, you obviously have never tasted a buckeye. They are heavenly. (the homemade candy, peanut butter wrapped in chocolate yummmm) but yes, that leaf does look rather wacky
Posted by PamB on October 20, 2005 at 06:21 PM
Yes, much head shaking going on...as well as a few other gestures. But it is late and I have kids to coach so I will take out my frustrations on the field.
Have a great evening dems!
Well, Sarasotans are gassing (gasing?) up! Lines forming!
Local radio warns of long slow moving lines on both Interstates and U.S. Highway 41 (I was just on 41 and noticed more traffic heading North)
The tourists are heading out! Yay! The rest of us stationed far enough away from the water are battening down the hatches! Water? check! Ice? check! Gas? check! Can goods and snacks, check! candles? Check! Batteries, um I think so... LOL
All news is saying it will cross over Florida probably as a 1 so I'm ready for the show! :-)
Frostie,
You must have been appalled today that Congress choose to shield gun manufacturers today. Heck, I don't know why they even bothered since you're belief is that gun violence does not have financial consequences. As Ginsburg purported (and it was obviously true or they wouldn't have HAD TO protect gun dealers and manufacturers.) Are you gonna now say Ginsburg was RIGHT or today that Congress was WRONG. Oh the dilemna!
Looks like the lowest age on here so far is 27. Most are in the mid-30's to 50's. Afterwards only one 71 I've seen. I think we may need to work the younger ones (18 to 30) to get them to drop by here as I know they're online as much as us in the evenings. The older though, some don't have computers yet or they're not used to doing this. I know this from my family about who does and doesn't. Say mid-50's-60 and up, they dont have or wish to use a computer. I'd like to see the whole age spread get involved as much as possible. I'm wondering if some hand out invitations to our blogs, and the Democratic websites at colleges and universities would help? I would think if we get them here, we could enlighten them into how important this is. I would like to see them come here and ask questions, all they could think of. I for one would be glad to talk to them and let them know our past history. The more the truth gets out, the better off we are.
My thoughts about wanting to keep people from suing the gun companies is no they shouldn't. We have to remember, they didn't pull the trigger, a criminal did, not the manufacturer. If we was to have this in law, it would make it easy for others to follow suit like someone being killed in a car wreck, and suing an auto manufacturer when someone else caused the wreck. All their attorney would have to do is cite this law as the same thing. In my opinion, the only way to sue a manufacturer would be if their product was faulty and caused bodily harm to the purchaser. Suing just because someone was shot with a gun they made takes things a little too far. I think they have the laws now where they need be with the Brady law, and that's where it should be left. I don't want to see this potential law effecting other laws which it would for the worse instead of the better.
Here is an interesting fact I did not know, FWIW:
When training soldiers here in the US for deployment overseas, the Army employs real live Iraqis to actthe part of assailants, hostages, and enemy combatants. Also as civilians for cross-cultural training. Men and women both.
Sorry, Will.
Cars aren't designed and sold and marketed as items to kill.
Guns ARE.
My point is that conservatives want their cake and to eat it too. Obviously Ginsberg had a point when she took the position that the use and possession of firearms could have financial consequences or the stupid conservatives who are too busy protecting gun manufacturers to bother with working on health care for the millions of average Americans who don't have it. Why? Follow the dollars. However, Frostie you go on thinking that Congress is protecting YOU with these laws and that Justices like Ginsberg are "wrong" for America because they are "liberal" (banging my head on the desk because the average American just doesn't get the GOP could care less about them, they just worry about the money)
Posted by Will_Matney on October 20, 2005 at 06:47 PM
The Brady law expired and this rep congress did not vote to renew it.
Hi {{{Jen}}}
As a matter of fact, I made a batch of buckeyes to take to that party for the soldier home from Iraq! My daughter told me he loved peanut butter and chocolate, so I made a large box of those and he stood and ate half the box.
My age, I think most people know. I am 63 !
I have witnessed a lot of politics and elections so when the young yahoos come in and act like they suddenly know it all, I have to chuckle.
Will, I know that Local Dem outfits have Young Democrats depts,. My own Ct has a "30 Something Dems" dept too. We have had a few from time to time, but never stay. Don't know what the trick would be to get some in here. Rose's son is a member of his town Dems. Roll that idea by her and see if her son would tell her what it would take for him to be interested here.
Boy, was THAT grammatically incorrect. The Nun's are gonna get me.
DUCK!! Her she comes!!!
AYYYYYYYYYYYy! ouch, that hurts!
Will,
My point is that Ginsberg was "hit the nail on the head" correct when she cited the commerce law otherwise a Gun Shield Law would never have been needed to protect the financial interests of gun companies or dealers.
Husband and I are feuding since he worries so much that liberals are gonna come and take his guns away. (rolling my eyes)
How about suing bullet manufacuters? Just a thought. Kind of like Chris Rocks suggestion on a bullet tax? A nickel for every bullet made or imported to the US. I think that would generate huge tax revunues.
{{{Pam}}} You are the best. A gift of yourself, your time and care. Those buckeyes ain't the easiest things to make.
Hank - ammo is expensive enough as it is!! Costs me a pretty penny every time I go to the firing range ! :)
Molly Ivins says,
Which brings us to the Democratic Leadership Council and the Al From-Bruce Reed take on what we should do now. The DLC is regularly condemned as being Republican Lite, but it seems to me its problem is being Light Lite. The From-Reed proposal is security, values, opportunity and reform - a perfect symphony of the obvious. I do like their Opportunity ideas: (see article)
The problem comes when you look at their reform initiatives - lobbying reform to close the revolving door and a ban partisan gerrymandering. Uh, how about we address the problem that our entire political system is corrupt, that it has been corrupted by corporate money, and that we have government of corporate interests, by corporate interests and for corporate interests - and that we really need to change that, instead of trying to raise more corporate money than Republicans?
Bob Borosage, director of the Campaign for America's Future, offers a "Real Contract With America" in the current issue of the The Nation. He has some excellent ideas, and I'll discuss them more later. Like the others, Borosage emphasizes Making America Safe and Real Security for America
For me, the most annoying suggestion being made is that Democrats somehow need to claim or reclaim patriotism or to do something to let folks know that we, too, love our country. I find that hideously offensive. I have always thought the only way to respond to Republican statements and implications questioning the patriotism of non-Republicans is with a good swift blast of venomous anger.
How dare they imply that opposing war in Iraq calls one's patriotism into question? Take the offensive. Anyone who would use that kind of slimy attack sullies America, where dissent is honored, respected and, Lord knows, needed.
Yes, Joan.
I shut down the oven around Memorial Day, (usually before) and don't turn it on again until 1 week before Thanksgiving (It's a new-ish {4 years} top of the line GE {{UGH}} thingy, bought on sale), just to make sure it works for the bird.
I have more than 1 grill, and use them every day. I also have the stove top, and a microwave, a Foreman Grill, Toaster Oven, Hibachi, et al, and use them. And, there is always my favorite recipe book:
The take out joints that deliver.
Line item veto failed. I am happy to say my candidate that I'd like to see run for President voted for a line item veto. Only 15 Senators had the balls to put the good of the country before the good of their own personal pet projects in states.
DPD - They're building a Famous Dave's BBQ down the road from me. That will be my next 'favorite recipe.' But I don't have anyone bringing me pie. :) That, I have to do on my own.
Posted by PamB on October 20, 2005 at 07:12 PM
The repubs always talk about "America 1st", but they never put Americans 1st. There is a BIG difference between the two statements. I really believe that is the message the dems should to get across to the people. My 2 cents.
{{Joan}} thank you for the pics of cornish rexes! They are really cool. I wish I could feel their fur.
CB - I agree. Line item veto is the way to go. Think it will ever happen? Will they cut off their nose to spite their face? Nah . . . . . .
Joanie, you sure your kitty isn't from Mars? Oh my! I hope he/she is kind and gentle!!
Jen - you could call it fur. Or you could call it skin with peach fuzz in it :)
This is the first one I've ever had or known. I wish I had discovered them earlier. Very fun, very interactive, much like a dog. She even fetches!
Will, I know you love to research a lot, so here is a site with a bunch of Lawsuits against Gun Manufacturers. None appear to be petty or small, like a cup of hot coffee in one's lap.
And, IMO, if a Gun company cannot make enough money from normal, regular guns, but must make Machine Guns for personal use, and armor piercing ammunition , then they deserve to be sued. Don't they have consciences? By putting these items in the hands of people, they are an accessory to the murders that result.
Rose - I call her a cross between a spider monkey, E.T., and a rat. With a little Whippet thrown in. Ugly as hell. I can't wait till Mark comes home on leave - he's gonna flip!
CB
I agree with the line item veto too, but on June 25, 1998, the Supreme Court, ruled that the line-item veto was unconstitutional. And with more conservatives being appointed to the bench I do not see this ever happening.
ROFLMAO, Joan!! Only a true dem would be so accepting of the different ;-)
OMG Rose - in this house - believe me - we're different !! HA!
Hank,
I remember when the republicans let the Brady law die. That was the one they should have kept going which I thought was one of the best pieces of legislation to date on firearms. I guess the way the republicans see it, they want anyone to be able to buy a gun without any form of a background check. There's just too many nut cases out there that don't need to own one. The Brady law, or a new one like it, will never see daylight again until we take over congress and the Whitehouse. Suing the gun companies goes just a little too far in my opinion. The government should be watching more who has access to them which the Brady law did somewhat. The thing is, if somebody is going to kill someone, they're going to do it with some type weapon being it a gun, knive, club, or automobile. Banning guns will not stop murder, and a criminal will find something else to use.
Another thing is assult weapons like the military rifles and or police weapons. Those do not need to be in the publics hands at all. They were made for one thing, to kill another human being at close quarters. There not worth a crap as a hunting weapon. They can also be easily modified with kits to change them into full automatics. These kits are advertized in shooting magazines and on the internet.
Now hunting rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers made for civilian use I have no problem with as long as everything is done above the table. Sporting rifles are designed, and made for long range shooting of game. Shotguns with modified or full choke are used for hunting, not the sawed off cylinder bore barrels with extended magazines. Anybody that knows anything about hunting would NOT want a riot gun to hunt with. Pistols, and revolvers are for one thing, self protection. However I used to hunt with a 22 cal pistol when coon hunting. They were way lighter than packing a rifle. There's also some big game hunting done with large bore pistols and revolvers like bear and wild boar.
I could also see some manufacturers closing their doors which make guns. The fear of a lawsuit to them, or a suit itself could bankrupt a company, thus causing a good number of jobs to be lost. In small states like Connecticut, that would be a very bad thing for employment.
No, any other manufacturer could be sued over a law like this. What if someone bashed another over the head with a VCR and killed them? Should the VCR manufacturer be sued? No they shouldn't, but the VCR was used as a weapon the same as a firearm could have been. Believe me, an attorney could use that law to his advantage on any other case by citing the judgement.
Joan, as much as I like Famous Dave's (7 on a scale of 1 to 10) you have BRAT STOP!!!
Damn, I wish they would open up a franchise near me. Pie Lady goes there for breakfast sometimes (when she could drive) and spends the day at the Outlet Malls.
You lucky dog, you.
And, IMO, if a Gun company cannot make enough money from normal, regular guns, but must make Machine Guns for personal use, and armor piercing ammunition , then they deserve to be sued. Don't they have consciences? By putting these items in the hands of people, they are an accessory to the murders that result.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/gunlaw.htm
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Pam,
Your correct, there should not be any way a civilian could get their hands on an assult weapon or armor piercing ammo. On the other hand, I dont see them being able to sue a manufacturer who strictly made weapons to sell to hunters. Even if the did make assult weapons, as long as they wasn't sold to the general public, that would be okay to me. Assult weapons, and armor piercing ammo, should only be available to our military and police.
Posted by PamB on October 20, 2005 at 07:21 PM
I've yet to hear whether the special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has interviewed former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz (now chief of the World Bank).
It was widely talked about that he and Vice president Dick Cheney were the principle proponents and architects of the Iraq War (Bob Woodward, "Plan of Attack"; Richard Clarke, "Against All Enemies"). He and Cheney were constantly in the president's ear about it.
As Clarke wrote, Wolfowitz was constantly pressing the theory by Laurie Mylroie, which she wrote about in a book that the first world trade center attacks in the early 1990's and 9/11 were connected and Saddam Hussein was the one responsible ("The War Against America -- Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks: A Study of Revenge"; and another book co-written with Judith Miller "Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf").
As Clarke writes, the theory has been "largely discredited," yet Wolfowitz and Cheney were doing everything they could to find a connection -- anything -- that would help them justify an Iraq invasion. Cheney was salivating at the idea so much that he made regular frequent visits to the CIA, constantly hounding analysts to find phantom connections between Iraq, 9/11, and Weapons of Mass Destruction.
I wonder if Richard Clarke and Paul Wolfowitz have been interviewed by the special prosecutor. It may be enlightening testimony.
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Wolfowitz starts using his new position to press China:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20051018-0759-china-wolfowitz.html
Rumsfeld is also working with Wolfowitz to press China:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleAID=/20051020/NEWS06/510200452/1012
http://www.japantoday.com/e/content=news&cat=7&id=352669
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1229210
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See more about Wolfowitz's ideas by reading:
"Asian Democracy and American Interests" by Paul Wolfowitz (Sept. 2000, The Heritage Foundation)
"Wolfowitz on Point" by Lee Crane (2003)
And the upcoming (in early 2007) "The Brain: Paul Wolfowitz and the Making of the Bush Doctrine" by Stephen F Hayes.
:Sigh: Stevens was threatening to RESIGN(over the bridge to nowhere they were voting to scrap). Our party should have jumped on this as an opportunity to show fiscal responsibility. This vote could have been a win-win if Stevens resigned over it. BTW it wasn't line item veto persay as much as it was to scrap pet projects in states (I believe 6 were on the chopping block)
Posted by Will_Matney on October 20, 2005 at 07:30 PM
I agree, but the question is then how does one get compensated if a loved one is killed by a fire arm? Who would be responsible? What if the police gunned down the perp or if he took his own life? These aren't exactly my positions. All I am doing is asking questions.
Delicious watching hardball and others tonight!
Just a delight to watch! :-)))
BBL
I just saw the actual tape of Alky the Crack Head doing his Uh, Er, "oh PINE ing" speech in the Rase Garden. He can't even speak English"
Since when can the "Most Powerful Man on Earth" change the accent mark on a word?
Oh, I get it. He's just too stupid to listen to his wire.
Now they have people phonetically mouthing words to him.
He MUST go to rehab, SOON.
Extreme Makeover, House Edition.and Senate,....and WHITE.
Lardball is interesting.Bringing back old RayGun guys and talking about "turning", and a "snitch in the WH"
awesome, Joan! I like a cat who acts like a dog! ;)
gotta run an errand, bbl
Will,
Your point about VCRs and Autos not being held responsible, points out this very important fact!
EVERY SINGLE other manufacturer of products in the USA, can be sued. Why NOT gun industry? why Should they be exempt from acts of negligence? Remember, things like, a gun barell blows up and burns the owner hand and face to pieces, if not kills him. This gun mfg is going to not be held responsible.
There is a line here also, between frivilous suits and true victims
And Colt and Marlin are in CT, but others, like S & W are in Mass. It would not be devastating to have them close. Marlin and Smith & Wesson were two of my clients when I was in the Ins. Industry and they really don't have all that many employees.
Ya wanna cat that acts like a dog?
SIAMESE!! The sweetest, yet most independent creatures around.
Siamese? I was ATTACKED by a Siamese cat when we were looking at a house 18 years ago. I had my then 6 mo old baby in my arms at the time the cat locked his jaw on my wrist and just hung there.
I got a bad infection from the puncture wounds. Had to stay in a sling, etc. I talked to animal control in that town about the incident. He said nothing could be done. Said the Siamese were trained to guard castles in Siam. Apparently, I was in someone else's castle :-/
DPD - They're building a Famous Dave's BBQ down the road from me. That will be my next 'favorite recipe.' But I don't have anyone bringing me pie. :) That, I have to do on my own.
Posted by Joan on October 20, 2005 at 07:17 PM
I missed this conversation. Please don't tell me anything bad about Famous Dave's... Please! I love Famous Dave's. Had them for dinner last night. On DPD's 10-scale, I give them an 8.
Hank,
Well, who would be responsible would be the criminal who pulled the trigger. If they had anything, they should loose it to the victim(s) who were shot. Any moneys in a bank, and property they have, should go to the victims to equal in value what ever the fine was imposed. Even garnishment of wages after they get out of the pen (if they do).
Here would be another scenario. What if someone walks in and buys a firearm legally, and nothing wrong with them. Let's say it was bought for a legitamate purpose like hunting. Next, the person takes a notion to sell it to another. The other person in the end kills someone with the weapon. Should then the manufacturer be sued or the first one to own the gun? The manufacturer has no way to control this and really the original owner didn't either. These gangs are notorious in using stolen firearms with the serial numbers removed. There's no way for a manufacturer to know where their guns are at they made. Neither are there no way for them to control this. That brings us back to the criminal element which are the true responsible party, or the way I see it.
The reason I mentioned an automobile as a weapon above was, what if someone ran over another with the intention to kill them. Should the victim or their relatives be able to sue the auotmobile manufacturer which wasn't behind the wheel of the car? It's the same thing, just the weapon was different.
What if someone would bash anothers brain out with a rock? Who would we sue then, mother earth? Or what about suing the property owner where the rock was located or obtained? That being impossible, the one who used the rock to kill would be responsible. This is just my opinion on the subject though.
Isikoff saying he expects indictments next week. Said he can't imagine Fitzgerald doing all that he has without finding merit. I can't wait!!
I know it's getting late in the day, but Sandyh, if you're still here, the reason they rushed to war was because the inspectors had been re-admitted with license to go anywhere, anytime, and still were not not finding any WMD. So the WH figured that they better get the invasion under way before they lost the chance to go to war. You see that's what they planned to do from the day they took office. Schmucks, if they had any smarts, they would have realized that the presence of so many US troops in Kuwait, ready to invade was the perfect ploy. They could have persuaded Saddam to leave by keeping the pressure on. But than they wouldn't have been able to go to war. "War Presidents get re-elected." Schmucks!
RoseZ
I used to babysit as a teen in a house with a Siamese. The cat would sit across the room the entire night and just stare at me. I was petrified. Afraid to get up and go pee !
I like cats, but not Siamese.
Pam, the house had three of them. They all circled around me like a ritual and then the one went for the kill. Totally freaked me out!
I love kitties too!
Will
Brace yourself, you are 100 percent right about your gun posts. Hope you didn't pass out.
CB
I have no problem with the gun shield law. Using the commerce clause to protect a billion dollar industry is a legitimate use of the commerce clause. Using the commerce clause to protect school kids in other states is something else and was never intended by the framers of the constitution. With that said, individual states can enact legislation to protect our kids, but not congress.
I posted this on October 18:
While Jerry Kilgore said that he would use surplus state dollars (more than likely from excessive taxes that he, as the incumbent governor, irrationally imposed on the fine people of Virginia) to sponsor "community projects," surely he can't intend to mean executing people of the community with the same black-toothed grin of say, an Adolph Hitler, can he? Does he support the death penalty so much that he's willing to overlook potential miscarriages of justice? Do residents of Virginia want innocent people murdered in their name? Do we even care?
Still, while it is a noble goal to widen I-66, Democratic candidate Tim Kaine at least wants to make sure that every driver in Virginia, including those who live in DC and Maryland and elsewhere in the country, and those annoying tourists, pay their fair share and contribute to highway construction projects in the fair state of Virginia. This is the true intention of the gas tax.
Let's be honest. While Jerry Kilgore refused to endorse his own campaign ads, claiming that his "campaign approved this message," at least Tim Kaine has the courage and strength to stand up for himself.
And Tim Kaine makes no bones about it: he may not agree with the law he will enforce, but at least Virgina voters will know where he stands.
That type of honesty and courage and strength is to be commended and should be rewarded with your vote.
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Today (October 20) I posted this:
Following up on what I wrote the other day (immediately above) it may be illuminating to read a letter to the editor printed in today's Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902013.html
Claudius,
just a tip, for those who have dial up and cannot cut and paste your links.
After you paste them on the comments section, Highlight the address, then go up and click into the little box with the Link in it. It will bring up a box you check ok. Then the link is readily usuable .
No problem. I didn't know that people couldn't cut 'n paste. :)
Go get 'em tiger. :)
"The American people expect me to do my job, and I'm going to," Bush said.
Posted by bb on October 20, 2005 at 11:43 AM
He stole that line from Bill Clinton. That's what Bill kept saying the whole time he was getting impeached for the bj. I thought Junior didn't like ANYTHING from the Clinton era?
Well, I got it half right: click on my name above and everything'll be cool.
William,
We also never expected him to take the greatest amount of Vacation time in History, either!
I'd like to see him do his job, for once, instead of catering to Corporations and the Wealthy.
With respect to choosing a case that Ginsburg joined in on the dissent--I chose that case because it went in line with our conversations last night. If you want, I will post more cases but whats the point? The commerce clause is the central issue in all the cases. I was just trying to spotlight the issue and set it up for discussion. If you guys want to read case after case, be my guest (I dont have that much time).
I only got a chance to skim the posts but nobody argues that she doesn't do this. That is all I was saying.
Frostie
PS Will, you still alive. I didn't mean to startle you by agreeing with you.
I love the line about the CIA leak investigation by the president this morning:
"There's a lot of background noise; a lot of speculation; a lot of people opining...."
He looked really strained and weary. Almost punch-drunk looking. He probably hasn't slept in a while.
Yeah Pam. It's kind of like how he said "everyone in this country should be working three jobs", but he himself needs plenty of sleep and vacation time so he can make all those "crisp decisions".
Claudius,
just a tip, for those who have dial up and cannot cut and paste your links.
After you paste them on the comments section, Highlight the address, then go up and click into the little box with the Link in it. It will bring up a box you check ok. Then the link is readily usuable .
Posted by PamB on October 20, 2005 at 08:29 PM
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Pam, I'm not sure about Netscape or compatable browsers (Firefox), if they will show those buttons. I run Opera and it does not. I think it's due to the webpage being in XML. Under Opera, we only get the comments box, URL box, Remember me, preview, and the post buttons. Opera don't show the new open thread box, neither did I see it in Slim Browser.
I tried Slim Browser today, which is just another user interface for the Internet Explorer engine DLL. It shows all of it (except the new open thread) where it's still IE, but a different GUI (graphic user interface). I wont use IE because of all the security flaws in it. It's 2X or more slower than Opera too. Generally Opera opens every page that's netscape compatible, but not for IE. Netscape wont open some IE stuff correctly either.
While Clinton decided to relieve some stress with an intern, I don't think the president's old method of relief and numbing the pain of inferiority to his father
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902246.html
of Jack Daniels and cocaine may still be effective.
I'm getting used to using this HTML button. I'll be back...
If you guys want to read case after case, be my guest (I dont have that much time).
And what's wrong with posting links to them? Ain't got time to do that either?
I've yet to hear whether the special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has interviewed former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz (now chief of the World Bank).
It was widely talked about that he and Vice president Dick Cheney were the principle proponents and architects of the Iraq War (Bob Woodward, "Plan of Attack"; Richard Clarke, "Against All Enemies"). He and Cheney were constantly in the president's ear about it.
As Clarke wrote, Wolfowitz was constantly pressing the theory by Laurie Mylroie, which she wrote about in a book that the first world trade center attacks in the early 1990's and 9/11 were connected and Saddam Hussein was the one responsible ("The War Against America -- Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks: A Study of Revenge"; and another book co-written with Judith Miller "Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf").
As Clarke writes, the theory has been "largely discredited," yet Wolfowitz and Cheney were doing everything they could to find a connection -- anything -- that would help them justify an Iraq invasion. Cheney was salivating at the idea so much that he made regular frequent visits to the CIA, constantly hounding analysts to find phantom connections between Iraq, 9/11, and Weapons of Mass Destruction.
I wonder if Richard Clarke and Paul Wolfowitz have been interviewed by the special prosecutor. It may be enlightening testimony.
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Wolfowitz starts using his new position to press China:
Rumsfeld is also working with Wolfowitz to press China:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleAID=/20051020/NEWS06/510200452/1012
http://www.japantoday.com/e/content=news&cat=7&id=352669
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1229210
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See more about Wolfowitz's ideas by reading:
"Asian Democracy and American Interests" by Paul Wolfowitz (Sept. 2000, The Heritage Foundation)
"Wolfowitz on Point" by Lee Crane (2003)
And the upcoming (in early 2007) "The Brain: Paul Wolfowitz and the Making of the Bush Doctrine" by Stephen F Hayes.
I'll bet our Bush vot'in, Democrat hate'in, "Democrat" doesn't like this law either.
Caro's new film, North Country, starring Charlize Theron, which opens this Friday, tackles sexual harassment in the workplace. It is based loosely on the book Class Action: The Story of Lois Jenson and the Landmark Case That Changed Sexual Harassment Law by Clara Bingham and Laura Leedy Gansler. The book recounts the 25-year legal ordeal behind Jenson v. Eveleth, the first successful sexual-harassment class-action lawsuit, in which Lois Jenson, a female iron miner, battled misogyny in the northern Minnesota iron mines.
Slate
Claudius, here's some more for you about Wolfowitz.
Wolfowitz fidgeted and scowled… "Well, I just don't understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden".
"We are talking about a network of terrorist organations called al Qaeda, that happens to be led by bin Laden, and we are talking about that network because it and it alone poses an immediate and serious threat to the United States," I answered…
Wolfowitz turned to me. "You give bin Laden too much credit. He could not do all these things like the 1993 attack on New York, not without a state sponser. Just because the FBI and CIA have failed to find the linkage does not mean they don't exist".
I could hardly believe it, but Wolfowitz was actually spouting the totally discredited Laurie Mylroie theory that Iraq was behind the 1993 truck bomb at the World Trade Center, a theory that had been investigated for years and found to be totally untrue.
Richard A. Clarke - Against All Enemies.
Judy misled the Grand Jury
Miller was asked about the June Meeting with Libby during her first grand jury appearance, and didn't recall it until Fitzgerald showed her secret service logs showing she had been at the White House Annex that day.
Maury Waas has more on Judy's testimony....
Evening Fellow Dems,
I was hoping to get some help. Over this past weekend I saw a poll that showed about 80% of Republicans are still staunch supporters of this administration and congress. I became so insensed that, inspired by Tom Paine, I penned an OpEd. Only problem was by the time I had finished I found myself at about 3000 words.
Well, since most major papers won't go above a thousand, and I can't see cutting the heart out of it to meet a size requirement, I was wondering if anyone might know of a blog or publication that might entertain a longer piece.
Thankful for any help I can get,
Tully
Tully, I have a little blog that very few people read so it's probably not what you're looking for, but I'd be happy to post it. I don't really know what the submission rules are like for these places but you might try submitting it to commondreams.org, informationclearinghouse.info, etc. you might try googling blogs on the subject your wrote and see what comes up and then write to them. or you could join dailykos or that type of place and post it yourself.
This Bob Bennett is the brother of that racist Bill Bennett. BTW, did you hear that latest excuse he has for saying what he said? After changing his story a dozen times about why, he now claims he "was only saying what the Left believe". He said that on the Bill O'Rielly show. Lying pig.
Shortly after her September 30 testimony, Miller discovered her notes from the June 23 meeting, and returned on October 12 for a second round of grand jury testimony. In this second appearance, Miller recounted details from her June 23 meeting with Libby, with the assistance of her notes.
Bob Bennett, an attorney for Miller, confirmed in an interview that Miller's October 12 testimony "corrected" her earlier statements to the grand jury regarding the June 23 meeting. Bennett declined to provide specifics of anything Miller said during either of her grand jury appearances, except to say: "We went back on the second occasion to provide those additional notes that were found, and correct the grand jury testimony reflecting on the June 23 meeting."
I was wondering if anyone might know of a blog or publication that might entertain a longer piece. Thankful for any help I can get, Tully.
Posted by Tully on October 20, 2005 at 09:24 PM
Sign up for an account with someplace like Dailykos.com or MYDD.com and you'll be able to put it up as a "Diary". And people will have the oportunity to comment on it if it interests them.
Is there any doubt left of what kind of slime we're dealing with folks?
Forrester Swiftboating Corzine
Doug Forrester, with the help of the national GOP, has started a desperate swiftboating campaign against Jon Corzine. Using national GOP funds and a well-orchestrated whisper campaign, the Forrester campaign is resorting to the GOP's tried and true tactics of race-baiting and questioning the patriotism of Jon Corzine and Democrats.
Radar reports that millions of dollars previously earmarked for Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) are being redirected by the national GOP into Doug Forrester's coffers:
Increasingly dubious about Santorum's chances, Capitol Hill sources report GOP powerbrokers have refocused their attentions--and dollars--on Doug Forrester, a little-known party hack who's currently embroiled in a dead heat race with multi-millionaire Democrat Jon Corzine for New Jersey's governorship.
"The party is pouring millions of dollars in PAC money into Forrester's coffers, but most of that money was previously earmarked for Rick," reports a well-placed Republican senate staffer. "It's disgusting. Rick used to be Bush's biggest booster on issues like stem-cell research, Social Security, and the Iraq war. Now the White House won't even take his phone calls."
Leading the charge on this effort is Forrester's media advisor Greg Stevens - whose firm, Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm - the same firm that produced the Swift Boat ads against John Kerry, has been paid $16 million so far by Forrester's campaign....
MYDD.com
Something to chew on.by Jerome Armstrong
MSNBC's Maddow: "If Karl Rove told Bush in 2003 that he was the leaker, and then Bush came out in June 2004, and told the American people, 'I'll fire the leaker!' and reportedly told the prosecutors, 'Karl Rove told me he was innocent.' That means Bush lied to the American people and lied to the prosecutor" ("Situation," MSNBC, 10/19).
MYDD.com
IT's nat the plame name..
At issue is section 421 of the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which makes it illegal to intentionally disclose any information identifying a covert agent "to any individual not authorized to receive classified information." Fitzgerald is looking into whether the disclosure of Plame's CIA role was in fact a violation of the law, whether there were violations of other laws and whether any officials may have given false statements to the grand jury or investigators, thereby hindering the initial probe
All,
I just opened up a letter from Ohio Medicade a little ago. I found that not only will there be a co-pay on drugs because of Medicare, but because of new state laws, there will be co-pays on some services too!
Here's the co-pay services starting Jan 1 2006;
Non-emergency hospital emergency room service - $3.00 a visit
Dental services - $3.00 a visit
Routine eye services - $2.00 per exam
Eyglasses - $1.00 per fitting
Most brand name (non-generic) medications - $2.00 per prescription or refil.
Exceptions;
Younger than 21
Pregnant or pregnancy ended up to 90 days ago.
Living in a nursing home or intermeadiate care facility for the retarded
Getting emergency services in a hospital, clinic, office or other facility.
Getting services for family planing
Getting hospice care.
About the dental;
Dental coverage under Medicade for adults will be limited to:
One anual exam and cleaning
X-rays
Fillings
Simple extractions
Full and partial dentures
General anesthesia
Anterior (front teeth) root canals.
Dental coverage under DMA for adults will be limited to (DMA is Disability Medical Assistance):
Simple extractions
X-rays necessary to do extractions.
Now folks, all this used to be free. Some only draw very small amounts, and these few dollars can come between paying their rent, eating, dental, or medicine. Notice that most was cuts by Ohio which republicans pushed through. This was because their counterparts in Washington, most all republicans, cut several billion out of the funds used to pay for the services just so they can give the richest a tax break. Also, what the hell is meant by "Non-emergency hospital emergency room service"? Any time I've went to the ER, it was an emergency, I was damn well sick!
I just realized something the other day...More republicans post on our website than on the RNC. I looked on there the other day and it was a ghost town. Yet they always have so much to say over here...hmmmmm
Santorum Finished; Republicans Turn To Jerseyby Chris Bowers
With Casey's lead in the polls widening to unheard of lengths for a challenger, and with Casey actually outraising Santorum in Q3, the Republicans are abondoning Santorum:
But as Santorum's campaign has lost steam, Capital Hill sources say his support from RNC heavies has also evaporated. The blow-dried bible-thumper, who launched his campaign with a giant war chest, is also being deserted by the party's major moneymen, who are focusing their largesse on more competitive candidates.
"This is how the Republicans operate," sighs a veteran GOP campaign manager close to Santorum. "Even if you agree with their agenda, they'll abandon you if you're behind in the polls and move on to the next-most important race."
Increasingly dubious about Santorum's chances, Capitol Hill sources report GOP powerbrokers have refocused their attentions--and dollars--on Doug Forrester, a little-known party hack who's currently embroiled in a dead heat race with multi-millionaire Democrat Jon Corzine for New Jersey's governorship.
There is some very interesting stuff taking place online in this campaign. For one, Blue Jersey is a powerful new collaborative site dedicated to progressive politics in the state (you might recognize some of the writers there). You should check it out, along with the Corzine Connection. On the Republican side, two family embers of Forrester, Forrest and Brooke Schaaf, seem to be the leading blogging over at the Forrster blog. Even though they are both paid members of the Forrester campaign, by placing family members as your bloggers would seem to give you an outlet for saying whatever you wanted about Corzine, even that he is going to kill people, and yet still provide you with any political cover for these attacks. I mean, how dare Democrats attack Doug Forrester's family (even though Doug Forrester's family is being paid to attack Jon Corzine)!
That is pretty sleazy--using your family as paid attack dogs and as political cover for any attack you want to make on your opponent. Barf.
MYDD.com
Posted by great_puubah on October 20, 2005 at 10:07 PM
I peek in there a few times a week. the list of TOP 10 Bloggers is about the same. TandT used to come on here al lot, as did 'lovinit" amd Maddie.
They would come in as 'confused" and instantly start spewing Pube talking points. Then they would "cut and paste" responses to their mindless tauntings
I was talking with my husband today and we were discussing the tone that conservative talk shows have taken on since Bush nominated Miers. One guys was even talking about wanting to impeach Bush because he is too friendly the Muslims and has placed a Koran in the White House.
What I don't understand is why they are so upset. The Bush's family is entrenched in the oil industry. In Michael Moore's documentary, he showed how far back Bush's family goes with the Saudis and the Taliban Government. Yet now they are shocked and dismayed he is so friendly with Muslims?!
And one more thing...don't they control every branch of this government? Didn't they win in 2004? So why are they got the same thing we got, and we lost? They are so quick to tell black folks that they are voting blindly while they pimp themselves for what? And when my husband and I try to tell who REALLY is in the party (fat cats, robber barons, etc....) they just don't get it.
What's cookin', y'all?
This page has an archive of documents, motions, stories...gee whiz...maybe mr.dick deG--delay's attorney who can't understand why mean old ronnie earl is prosecuting him--could look over there to see the paper trail. It's a treasure chest of goodies, for those who have enjoyed the possibility of brakes on corruption,
http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/metro/elxpacs/index.html
Posted by great_puubah on October 20, 2005 at 10:07 PM
I peek in there a few times a week. The list of TOP 10 Bloggers is about the same since the day they decided to "Open" a site. (As about as OPEN as a Chimpy Town Hall Meeting w' th' reg'lur folks, he he he). "TandT" (who I think are Tom and Tammy, but don't really care to go read their crapola) used to come on here a lot, as did 'lovinit" and "Maddie".
They would come in as "a confused Democrate" sincerely seeking guidance, and honestly asking for answers, and instantly start spewing Pube talking points. Then they would "cut and paste" responses to their mindless tauntings and go to "Pubies dot com" (or whatever it's called) and say "LOOKIE WHAT I DID!!!"
Like a bunch of High Schoolers.
Over at GOP.com, they spend a lot of time complaining about us "bashing Bush" too. Somebody must have sent the talking points memo out, "we got to shut those damn Democrats up, they're killing us!"
Hey! Don't shoot the messanger. I only report the news, I don't make it.
Why did my PREVIEW post show up before I hit "POST"?
Now you can all see the workings of a Great mind, and a bad typer-like guy, thing.
Speaking of talking points memos, today on the Al Franken show, Tom Oliphant was telling how he mentioned a phrase he made up, "the crimalization of politics" in front of Tony Blankly and Pat Buchannon and how both their ears picked up. Then the next thing he knew, all the Repug talking heads on Fox and elsewhere were repeating it non-stop. Al played a montage of Bill Kristal, Chris Wallace, Brit Hume, Bill O'Rielly and others saying it over and over and over again. Who says those bastards don't work together?
Posted by Domingo on October 20, 2005 at 09:12 PM
As Senator Boxer said to Condi Rice at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Hearing on Wednesday, "I'm not trying to get into their minds (referring to Condi's statement about an "ideology of hate"), I'm trying to capture the terrorists who attacked us."
Well said, Senator Boxer.
And WHATEVER HAPPENED TO MANDY? She was the Pubies' chief web Mistress (Whack, you know you like, C'mon say how you like it...Whack)
Now they have a NEW Dominatrix:
Posted by Katie MacGuidwin
Hmmmmm, Any bets that Gannon / Guckert has a female alter-ego?
Clinton relieving the pressures of the job (which he did admirably, in the face of ALL opposition) from an Intern is NOTHING like Chimpy doing the same with a MALE PROSTITUTE. (Not that there's anything Wrong with that).
It's gotten so bad that the WORST thing anyone could imagine that could happen IS happening.
I grew up in a world where the President was assumed to be the Best in the Land. Even if he wasn't the smartest he would have hired smart people.
Not THIS bunch of criminals and serial liars.
I hope Rove, Libby, Cheney and Bush get charged with espionage.
The punishment is DEATH for the most heinous un-American non-patriotic act of using USA secret for political manipulation of information to the public just to start a war. The unjustified war has caused the death of 1900+ men and women with 20,000+ wounded.
There is no statute of limitation for this act of treason. As mass murders they can be tried in world court and sentenced too.
Those repug loud mouths are should be charged with aiding and abiding criminal mass murderers. I think there is precedence set with Tokyo Rose and the NAZI propaganda machine. Those people were charged with 20 years and got out after serving slightly less time.
Tom Delay's smile is truely interesting if the people injured by his criminal act file civil law suit against him under RICO. There are connection all the way to the RNC. RICO was designed to rid this nation of criminal elements influencing our govenment, ...so we should let it work with these un-American non-patriots.
The number one top poster over there on GOP.com is: 1. Maddie with (1517) posts. These are some of her posts. They're not real "deep thinkers" over there, are they?
Rudy and Rice
In Case You Missed It: In New Orleans, It's Time For A New Approach
mine too, we definately need a new last name
Judge John G. Roberts Sworn In As Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court
yep :(
Judge John G. Roberts Sworn In As Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court
guess so
Judge John G. Roberts Sworn In As Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court
that's right so they are really making a big deal over nothing.
Judge John G. Roberts Sworn In As Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court
good one lady!
Ceremony Honoring Retiring Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs Of Staff Today
me too
Judge John G. Roberts Sworn In As Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court
kind of like your posts
Judge John G. Roberts Sworn In As Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court
I love you like a red headed step child
I am praying for the day Tom DeLay is notified he was the instrument and key that took down the RNC with his criminal act.
And Tokyo Rose was a name given to ANY woman broadcaster for the Japanese Ministry of Propaganda. Most didn't even speak English, but did it all phonetically (Like ABBA, in their hey-day). One was tried and imprisoned due to hysterical rantings to "Get HER" (no matter who they "GOT").
She eventually moved to Chicago and ran a small shop on the North side.
Tokyo Rose
And here's one from Wikipedia Tokyo Rose
I actually met her in my younger days, and most of my parents friends AND my father, who lost a lung in the Phillipines, said she got wronged.
She made the local news when she died.
All the repug laud mouths have admitted to the transfer of money from Repug for Texas to RNC to Repug. Therefore they performed this criminal act with malicious intent.
Thank you Repug laud mouths for providing the information.
I was getting all excited. Keeping up with the news and all the scandals and the issues. It looks good for our Party. I'm all ready to volunteer and get real active here in Falmouth Ma. Read G. Lakoff. Looked up local leaders.
Then Matt Patrick decideds to run for governor as a Pro Cape Wind farm canidate.
What an idiot. He screwed everyone in the Party down here. He couldn't sell water in the desert with that position. His camp's line is he's running for governor of Massachussetts not governor of Cape Cod. This is the exact same shit Rommney's spouting. Pres of US not Mass.
....suit against him under RICO.
Posted by HybridFuel on October 20, 2005 at 10:56 PM
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Interesting turn of a phrese, there.
Fitzgerald is the guy who took down the Gambinos, and locked up John Gotti, the TEFLON Don.
Posted by Domingo on October 20, 2005 at 11:13 PM
Good Evening Domingo,
Please excuse me for blowing my steam off at this BLOG. I needed to get it off my SKIN.
The next picture I want to see of Tom is Mrs. DeLay, prison mistress to all the mentally retarded people he sent to Texas prison instead of a hospital.
No, I just Copied and Pasted her name from their site to show that Mandy is gone.
All other cyber ink is MINE.
Posted by DPD on October 20, 2005 at 11:16 PM
Yup and that was using RICO.
RICO was also used against big Tobacco when they lied to congress. It was the civil penalties they fear. Those money hungry Gouge Our People party members. Follow the criminal money ring.
All other cyber ink is MINE.
Thought so, but it wasn't clear. No wonder Maddie was their top poster with all her one, two and three word posts.
Since they're acting like a crime syndicate, can we use the RICO statutes to prosecute the whole lot of GOP scum?
I'm tired of the 'D' students running the country.
Time to get the smart kids back in charge with proven policies that work.
Hey, capekicks.
I used to spend time (sounds criminal, and it was cuz I couldn't afford it on my own) on Marthas Vineyard, and they had a Wind Farm in the early 80's.
I know all the claptrap about the birds flying into the vanes, but on MY house I have screens.
Couldn't that work?
Illinois is the middle of the Mississippi Flyway, and there is talk of building hundreds of Wind Farms, but the POWER companies are scaring everybody from the Sierra Club to the Oil Distributers with pure BS.
Can't tax the air, YET
Here is the RICO Act
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 96 > § 1961 Prev | Next
§ 1961. Definitions
Release date: 2005-08-03
As used in this chapter—
(1) “racketeering activity” means
(A) any act or threat involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act), which is chargeable under State law and punishable by imprisonment for more than one year;
(B) any act which is indictable under any of the following provisions of title 18, United States Code: Section 201 (relating to bribery), section 224 (relating to sports bribery), sections 471, 472, and 473 (relating to counterfeiting), section 659 (relating to theft from interstate shipment) if the act indictable under section 659 is felonious, section 664 (relating to embezzlement from pension and welfare funds), sections 891–894 (relating to extortionate credit transactions), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents), section 1029 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices), section 1084 (relating to the transmission of gambling information), section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), section 1343 (relating to wire fraud), section 1344 (relating to financial institution fraud), section 1425 (relating to the procurement of citizenship or nationalization unlawfully), section 1426 (relating to the reproduction of naturalization or citizenship papers), section 1427 (relating to the sale of naturalization or citizenship papers), sections 1461–1465 (relating to obscene matter), section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512 (relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1513 (relating to retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1542 (relating to false statement in application and use of passport), section 1543 (relating to forgery or false use of passport), section 1544 (relating to misuse of passport), section 1546 (relating to fraud and misuse of visas, permits, and other documents), sections 1581–1591 (relating to peonage, slavery, and trafficking in persons).,[1] section 1951 (relating to interference with commerce, robbery, or extortion), section 1952 (relating to racketeering), section 1953 (relating to interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia), section 1954 (relating to unlawful welfare fund payments), section 1955 (relating to the prohibition of illegal gambling businesses), section 1956 (relating to the laundering of monetary instruments), section 1957 (relating to engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity), section 1958 (relating to use of interstate commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire), sections 2251, 2251A, 2252, and 2260 (relating to sexual exploitation of children), sections 2312 and 2313 (relating to interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles), sections 2314 and 2315 (relating to interstate transportation of stolen property), section 2318 (relating to trafficking in counterfeit labels for phonorecords, computer programs or computer program documentation or packaging and copies of motion pictures or other audiovisual works), section 2319 (relating to criminal infringement of a copyright), section 2319A (relating to unauthorized fixation of and trafficking in sound recordings and music videos of live musical performances), section 2320 (relating to trafficking in goods or services bearing counterfeit marks), section 2321 (relating to trafficking in certain motor vehicles or motor vehicle parts), sections 2341–2346 (relating to trafficking in contraband cigarettes), sections 2421–24 (relating to white slave traffic),
(C) any act which is indictable under title 29, United States Code, section 186 (dealing with restrictions on payments and loans to labor organizations) or section 501 (c) (relating to embezzlement from union funds), (D) any offense involving fraud connected with a case under title 11 (except a case under section 157 of this title), fraud in the sale of securities, or the felonious manufacture, importation, receiving, concealment, buying, selling, or otherwise dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act), punishable under any law of the United States,
(E) any act which is indictable under the Currency and Foreign Transactions Reporting Act,
(F) any act which is indictable under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 274 (relating to bringing in and harboring certain aliens), section 277 (relating to aiding or assisting certain aliens to enter the United States), or section 278 (relating to importation of alien for immoral purpose) if the act indictable under such section of such Act was committed for the purpose of financial gain, or
(G) any act that is indictable under any provision listed in section 2332b (g)(5)(B);
(2) “State” means any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, any territory or possession of the United States, any political subdivision, or any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof;
(3) “person” includes any individual or entity capable of holding a legal or beneficial interest in property;
(4) “enterprise” includes any individual, partnership, corporation, association, or other legal entity, and any union or group of individuals associated in fact although not a legal entity;
(5) “pattern of racketeering activity” requires at least two acts of racketeering activity, one of which occurred after the effective date of this chapter and the last of which occurred within ten years (excluding any period of imprisonment) after the commission of a prior act of racketeering activity;
(6) “unlawful debt” means a debt
(A) incurred or contracted in gambling activity which was in violation of the law of the United States, a State or political subdivision thereof, or which is unenforceable under State or Federal law in whole or in part as to principal or interest because of the laws relating to usury, and
(B) which was incurred in connection with the business of gambling in violation of the law of the United States, a State or political subdivision thereof, or the business of lending money or a thing of value at a rate usurious under State or Federal law, where the usurious rate is at least twice the enforceable rate;
(7) “racketeering investigator” means any attorney or investigator so designated by the Attorney General and charged with the duty of enforcing or carrying into effect this chapter;
(8) “racketeering investigation” means any inquiry conducted by any racketeering investigator for the purpose of ascertaining whether any person has been involved in any violation of this chapter or of any final order, judgment, or decree of any court of the United States, duly entered in any case or proceeding arising under this chapter;
(9) “documentary material” includes any book, paper, document, record, recording, or other material; and
(10) “Attorney General” includes the Attorney General of the United States, the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, the Associate Attorney General of the United States, any Assistant Attorney General of the United States, or any employee of the Department of Justice or any employee of any department or agency of the United States so designated by the Attorney General to carry out the powers conferred on the Attorney General by this chapter. Any department or agency so designated may use in investigations authorized by this chapter either the investigative provisions of this chapter or the investigative power of such department or agency otherwise conferred by law.
Been waiting a long time to say this:
Houston Astros are National League Champs!
Good for YOU Monica.
I kinda wanted the Hated (and loved at the same time) Cardinals to beat THE HATED WHITE SOX in 6.
Oh well, may the better team win. Maybe I'll read a good book.
This definition of RICO "racketeering activity" that Tom DeLay possibly broke just reading the news,section 1956 (relating to the laundering of monetary instruments),section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents), section 1957 (relating to engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity), section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512 (relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant).
I think he violated these section of the RICO ACT.
YIKES, HyBrid, that's a lot of characters for the people on Dial Up.
Put up an appetizer, and link the rest. (Not being blogmeister, but some folks get frustrated and leave while waiting 2 minutes to get on every time they wanna post)
Posted by Domingo on October 20, 2005 at 09:12 PM
Try this one on, once again
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902246.html
Domingo (aka Ding -- you a Tom Clancy reader?), I think we can agree on strength beyond strength when it comes to defense, and any fool who studies defense knows how vital intelligence is to both defense and homeland security.
The cited article is from a military man who has taken all he can stand and he can't stands no more.
As he ends his article "...[Powell] is a loyal solider..." But Col. Wilkerson's idea of loyalty extends beyond the administration: his "loyalty is to the country."
Remember all the Repug laud mouths stated they knew about the money transfer to the RNC first to wash it before returning it to Texas. This money is traceable from Repug for Texas to RNC to Repug in Texas. If civil charges were brought to show damages were inflicted by the criminal act then there is a very strong remedy in the law books.
The Astros played their first game three weeks before I was born. Spent a lot of time at the Dome over the years. Waited a long time for this first 'Stros World Series.
Domingo (aka Ding -- you a Tom Clancy reader?)
Nope, but I did see the movie "Red Dawn".
Posted by DPD on October 20, 2005 at 11:40 PM
I will try to keep it to lesser words.
I think when I send the short version in people questioned me on it so this time I copied the entire Title 18,part 1,chapter96, 1961 of the RICO act. Then copied the portions that I think Tom DeLay and his merry men broke the law.
Ronnie Earl could only charge DeLay with crimes committed in Travis County.
Fitzgerald is probably all over THIS, cuz Tommy is knee deep in the DC shenanigans too, and the return check came from RNC HQ.
What's up with the continued promise of a blog flip at 250? was it?
Evening! Colbert Report is pretty funny tonight!
The Texas law that Tom DeLay is accused of violating dates to the era of the robber barons and has been widely emulated in other states concerned about corporate influence in politics. It bans the use of corporate funds on behalf of state political candidates.
Monica, the Cubs won their last World Series in 1908.
Wrigley Field wasn't even built then.
I rest my case.
Posted by DPD on October 20, 2005 at 11:47 PM
Yup! The money from RNC HQ is on record!
This is a civil matter for tommy and RNC.
Remember only the Government can charge someone for breaking the criminal law.
Anyone smart enough and injured by this criminal activity can bring civil charges against this criminal enterprise.
Here in the Palm Springs area we have big wind farms. You see them on TV whenever they set a piece out here. They are noisy, they do kill birds and they really mess up the view. But the generate a lot of power directly onto the grid. So it's a trade-off. Don't see it as viable out there in the ocean off Cape Hattaras. It's is a local issue, however, and should be settled locally.
President Bush flew cross-country to help dedicate a new Air Force One exhibit at the Ronald Reagan presidential library, but his appearance at a GOP fundraiser while he was here irked top California Republicans.
They said Bush's appearance Thursday night at a $1 million Republican National Committee fundraiser was poorly timed because of the upcoming Nov. 8 special gubernatorial election.
"Unless President Bush is coming to California to hand over a check from the federal government to help us with the financial challenges we face, the visit seems ill-timed," said Karen Hanretty, a spokeswoman for the state Republican Party
Posted by MonicaR on October 20, 2005 at 11:51 PM
Hi Monica,
...but it's the money laudering though RNC that broke the RICO act; specifically section 1956 (relating to the laundering of monetary instruments),section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents), section 1957 (relating to engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity).
Just found this bit of information out and wanted to pass this to you guys before I go to bed:
A women in California had been getting bottled water from the Mt. Shasta Spring Water Company. Last week, she was suppose to have a delivery but when the deliver guy there, he wouldn't leave her her water. When she called the home office she was told that they didn't like her flag.
You see, she was flying an American flag with a peace symbol on it and also had a flag opposing the war.
Their toll free number is : (800) 922-6227 or you can do what I just did and go www.Mt. Shasta Spring Water.com
Thanks and got to get some sleep....nice slick glossy of DeLay...the snake
Dawn, it flips 3 times a day. 4 PM was the supposed latest one, but today is the test run.
We're still trying out the curves with the new TR6, I guess.
(I know I took it for SEVERAL test drives before I was sold)
I can find points of convergence between Domingo's ideas and my own. Because I see his point of view, I'm in a more broadly-informed position to be able to define my own views. We have disagreed in the past on some issues but he still keeps talkin and so do I. But I believe we understand each other on the matters that truly count.
The most important requirement of a free and civil democracy is first of all "TOLERANCE" of alternative view points. It is not wrong to express a view, and a view is not necessarily wrong in and of itself. A position that is taken in an argument is subject to attack and ridicule and -- as our democracy is defined -- if you can successfully defend your position, then your view should rule the day, provided of course that you can garner majority support for that position.
So Democracy has a two-fold problem: articulating a clear majority vision, and secondly, gaining majority support for it. That there is none and that there is disarray and still argument and debate is not necessarily wrong. Republicans will say that Democrats are "divided" and "have no coherent plan."
In some respects, that is true -- in absence of a unitarian and majoritarian articulation of America's plan, Dems will only just provide the fuel for Republican policies, and mostly just attack and point out how flawed and irrational Republicans' policies are. Democrats believe in debate and consensus, but that debate and consensus is not automatic. Our candidate will help us tie it all together come election time.
But Democrats need not onlhy ideological support for a candidate, but also financial support. Governor Dean ran a grass-roots policy of soliciting donations as little as $5.
In the long run, if folks see enough Republican attack ads and there is no sufficient and adequate response, then folks'll perceive the Democrats as weak, regardless of whether they have the right policies. But in a capitalist society, TV time, aka, attack time, aka, time for those who believe in us the strongest, only goes to those who can donate a couple of bucks here and there.
Personally, there is a few dollars charged to a credit account monthly. It is a small thing for me. But I believe that Democrats are the majority. As Jim Morrisson said, "They got the guns but we got the numbers." It is still true. There are more of us than them, but they redraw district lines and draw more contributions.
We can win if we believe not only with our hearts but also with our wallets. This is why so many Democrats have spoken out against the "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska, while opposing drilling in ANWR, which is scheduled to start soon.
Get on board the program and donate a buck or two to the cause, if for no other reason than to make sure that the Democratic opposition has a fair voice in making a case for the politics of this country. Without making a donation, you are tacitly supporting a totalitarianistic theocracy, since the Democrats need support to oppose the corrupt Republicans who believe only in cronyism, even if that means approving members of clergy who abuse your children with impunity.
{{DPD}} I forgot!
Hi Kathy,Hybrid,John, LAMink, Monica, Claudius and all others lurking!
Well.....
Mt.Shasta (who's water doesn't even come from there, it's just a marketing name for stuff that comes out of the Municipal water supplies of whatever town has the Distributorship, BTW) could be a candidate for Olberman's WORST PERSON OF THE DAY aeard.
Think I'll e-mail him.
Sorry that link for the Mt Shasta Spring Water I gave didn't work, try this one..I'm so tired I can't even see straight..be on the blog tomorrow -
http://www.mtshastaspringwater.com/
I just sent an e-mail to "Local Water in a Bottle w/ a Fancy Name" and told them that they should expect a media blitz, and a nasty note to Buy Blue.
Won't do a thing. They will be trying to sell me Lake Michigan water for the rest of my life. (And spit in it)
I've heard that Mt. Shasta spring water is very pure and very clean and flows rather UNINHIBITED through many canyons and gorges and nasty and unexpected impediments.
I hate listening all by myself. Schube ru listening?
Barb? lol
damn this is the strangest world of communication it's getting so magical I just love it!
No, you're wrong. I have an internet name because like most people I don't trust people on the internet.
Dawn, I rarely listen to Malloy, but I will starting.............(Boy, this thing takes lot'sa time to load.......Connecting.............Now here's a commercial for a product that I will NEVER buy even if I need it.........Loading.............Connecting...94%....
MALLOY!!
Let's chat.
I just want to express my views like anyone else. I can just as easily withdraw my support as I can give it in so far as this is still a democracy and we still enjoy hearing from multiple diverse sources...
CB fyi you share the same Birthday as Tom Petty!
"oh my my, oh hell yes, you got to put on that party dress, buy me a drink, sing me a song, catch me if you can cuz I can't stay long"
or something like that! hehe Last Dance with Mary Jane?
ok well I'm sounding a bit tired myself, back to Malloy.
I can't believe Petty is 55!
DPD - Malloy is almost over. I thought you had cable mable? y 4 not? u can afford it (if I can) you don't waste your money on stupid bad habits like cigarettes or alcohol so that by itself is a monumental savings!!?
I've heard that Mt. Shasta spring water is very pure and very clean and flows rather UNINHIBITED through many canyons and gorges and nasty and unexpected impediments.
Posted by PedroElChe on October 21, 2005 at 12:20 AM
And Cigarettes are good for you. It's a wonder what they can advertise.
POLAND SPRINGS is a town in Maine, but the water doesn't come from there. 40 miles away at a factory that pulls the good ol' H2O out of the Municipal pipes.
Hinkley Springs used to be called 'Hinkley & Schmitt" and had a lot of people buying it, until the FACT came out that they were just re-filtering Chicago City water. (Nothing wrong with that. I live in the Suburbs, and the NUMBER ONE thing the Realtors say is "Chicago Water")
Penn & Teller did a show about the water scam. Dasani is owned by COKE, and they just use their filtered water that they don't add sugar and caffiene to and sell it FOR MORE than Coke.
Same thing with Aquafina..That's Pepsi without the costly stuff.
60 Minutes, or 20 / 20 or one of those shows taped employees of distributors fillng bottles from fire hydrants. (THAT stuff IS NOT filtered).
Sheep will be sold woll sweaters if it's trendy.
Posted by DPD on October 21, 2005 at 12:26 AM
DPD,
Are there any method for you to get broadband?
The phone company have been resisting improving the technology for transmission though the land line. That's why cable and satellite are used for broadband. Cable modems can transmit at 4mb to 6mb per second. The landline is stuck at 100K for high speed internet assess, otherwise you are receiving and transmitting at 20K to 40K per second or 2 orders of magnitude (100X) slower than broadband. On satellite the uplink is slow because it is still phone line but the down link is very fast.
I get updates from MS or Adobe in minute for what use to take hours. The last 24mb update took less that 5 minutes.
I send a friend a picture that was 3mb and her system took 3 hours and the photo ended up fragmented. So I had to burn a copy to mail to her via snail.
Sorry, Claudius, it's just that you have a real style in your writing. Alexander (who posts here off and on) also has that same narrative style.
I like it, and was wondering if you and Alex were one and the same. I guess not.
No offense meant, and I hope none taken.
Posted by DPD on October 21, 2005 at 12:40 AM
Regarding Water
Remember "EVIAN" spelled backward is "NAIVE".
As Dirty Harry might say, well, punk, you've got to ask yourself a question, do I feel lucky. Well, do ya punk?
Of course it's hard to talk about flowing rivers when you're talking about the Santee unless your looking at hurricanes, in which case, it's one thing to buck the storm, but eventually, the texas flood will hit you and as Stevie Ray Vaughan sings, "all of the telephone lines are down."
I love the south. It's too bad there isn't more democratic support.
I have Hi Speed Innerntezz. I just don't listen to Malloy much, being in the Central time zone. It messes with the rest of the world, but you arrogant East Timers ;) don't realize that the sun leaves YOU before me. Nyah, Nyah! Pllllbttt!
I think that's it for me.
Thanks to all for letting me vent some steam (another form of water created by GOP).
Good night.
LOL
Yes I admit this is my favorite time zone.
I can't even remember right now how many I've lived under. Always felt weird everywhere else. The sky always looked different and the air smelled different, etc! But once natural climatization took hold after a week or so I was fine.
But I do love EST!! hehe!
now I need to sleep as I put something stupid up when I meant
acclimate
lmao omg goodnight!!
Peace!
did everyone see the arrest picture of tom delay? I think he's going donw.
Posted by Claudius on October 21, 2005 at 12:52 AM
See my 12:44
Well, I'm back.
Trying to link to my favorite radio station, and the went all weird on me. Too many hoops to jump through.
Hi, kaplink (in college I new a guy who was called Kerplunk...Don't ask)
Hi, Robertina.
West coast is far better than any other time zone. The moon is still lighting things so bright that the sheen is making it seem like dusk still even though it's nearly 11pm.
It's the curse (blessing) of being from california as I've said multiple times previously. :0)
are Republicans finally weakening? I hope so because like most good Democrats, we don't stop attacking until we win. So as long as things are looking up, we probably shouldn't need to be so forceful... :0)
after all we are good, moral, and decent and just want things to be fair, rather than being skewed too far in our favor, right?
i read the hispanic page and i think i am a democrat
Posted by Amiguita on October 21, 2005 at 01:21 AM
Just like what Bill Clinton said:
"When People think, they become Democrats".
Or as Harry Truman said:
"If you want to live like a Republican, Vote Domocratic".
i think it is good to have immigrants. that is the hope of america
Alex, you have a Doppelganger.
I lived in Michigan just a little East of the Time Line, and it was AWESOME to have the sky still light grey at 10 at night on a clear summer night.
My brother couldn't get over it. Chicago is right on the East line of the time zone, and it's amazing what Longitude does to ones' psyche.
i am in south carolina now. my friends told me I should be democrat if i should be responsible
how can democrats help me? I am recently immigrated from guatemala.
Those folks I know who are on the east coast, especially those who live up north, when I was younger, I knew some folks from Michigan and they talked about long days and ocassionally some aurora borealis, though folks I knew from minnesota often told me the same.
I've heard that like Arizona, there is a town in Indiana that splits itself in half -- one half is eastern time zone and the other half is central time zone, is that true?
Lessee, which part of ME is Irish, and which part of ME is Italian?
Oh, that's right. If my Irish Grandmother didn't marry my Italian Grandfather, my Mother wouldn't have been born.
So, no ME.
Doppleganger? Isnt that a physics term? If you're talking about a red-shift in light spectra then it is a valid concern, but more often than not, the red shift indicates that bodies are moving further from the ranch, as it were. As far as I know, Hubble has only seen Blue-shifts in recent stars, thus indicating a convergence...
you are not making any sense, claudius. we're trying to talk about thing people understand
Alex, not only the town, but the school is in different time zones. People wear 2 watches so they don't miss appointments. The clock on the Bank will have one time, and the clock at the local diner accross the street will have another one. It's nuts.
The Tribune does an article every year about it, I'll Google it.
BTW, Indiana had a vote, and they are MAYBE going to make the time real. (As it is, each County can decide which way the Earth turns, and when, or something like that.)
Condoleezzza Rice is speaking sense. She is a professor at Stanford and we all should respect her position defending America
"People wear 2 watches"
do people also wear 2 faces?
"People wear 2 watches"
do people also wear 2 faces?
I think condi is way too intimate with this president for America's security. Does anyone really take her seriously?
Well, the article is for registered Tribune Subscribers, so I won't link you to a pay site, but here is the tease:
In Indiana, the situation is more complicated. Eighty-two of 92 counties are in the Eastern time zone, but only five change clocks with daylight-saving time. Ten other counties--five in northwestern Indiana and five in the southwest--are on Central time and have observed daylight-saving time.
(C)...(Chicago Tribune)
And I see we have a Condi lover.
Hi!! I was taught that respect is EARNED, not demanded, nor commanded.
Defending America would have her skinny butt in Ferragamo's buying designer combat boots.
This is far too ridiculous for belief... Condoleezza Rice is terrible for America...
She watches us just like the president does, although she's chief foreign policy expert in the country...
That sounds dangeous to me...
Even though she's terrible she's still looking out for us minorities, or so she says. I guarantee you that she's not an elitist snob and is only out to protect the president...
Still it's hard for us latinos to think otherwise because we can't really trust Condi Rice...
Amiguita,
This is the helping party. The Republicans are all about themselves. At least at the party level. I've known some really good people who were Republicans, but the party will take you for all they can.
What are you looking for help with?
Gotta do it..
Constant Sleazy Rice was a Provost (i.e. Board of Directors).
IT was also on the Board of Chevron, and they even named an OIL tanker after her
OIL and Rice
It is documented that since DAY ONE of the Bush 2 fiasco that they threw away ALL of the Clinton Intel having to do with al Qeada, and spent most of their time looking at OIL maps, and planning an invasion and take-over of Iraqi OIL fields.
Alky the Crack head even named his invasion a "Crusade" and dubbed it Operation Iraq Liberation, until it was pointed out that a 6 year old who has more brain cells firing than the dry drunk can figure out THAT anagram.
The whole crew should be sent to Spandau Prison for the rest of their lives.
i love this picture of bug boy. looks like he is having a hemroidectamy and is trying to enjoy it:
who me? no i'm fine, just fine
have yourself a merry little fitzmas, fill your heart with joy.....
By DAVID JOHNSTON
Published: October 21, 2005
WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 - As he weighs whether to bring criminal charges in the C.I.A. leak case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel, is focusing on whether Karl Rove, the senior White House adviser, and I. Lewis Libby Jr., chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney, sought to conceal their actions and mislead prosecutors, lawyers involved in the case said Thursday.
Among the charges that Mr. Fitzgerald is considering are perjury, obstruction of justice and false statement - counts that suggest the prosecutor may believe the evidence presented in a 22-month grand jury inquiry shows that the two White House aides sought to cover up their actions, the lawyers said.
thanksgivings coming karl is getting fat, please put a penny in libby's hat
Good Morning all. I haven't posted here much since the GOP stole the last election, but it is rolling around to election time again and I am wondering if the DNC is actually going to allow the voters to pick our candidates this time? In other words.. if the best the Democrats have to offer this time is "yes, I think the war is a good idea" Hillary, then I am going in search of a new party. Has anyone heard if Gore might make an appearance in the next primary season?
Good morning various and honorable peoples.
When I roll my mouse over any text, it turns red.
Is that new?
Re: Condoleezzza Rice is speaking sense. She is a professor at Stanford and we all should respect her position defending America
Posted by HonestBroker on October 21, 2005 at 02:09 AM
B U L L S H I T ! ! !
How Did We Get Tricked into George W. Bush's Illegal War of Aggression on Iraq?
James Moore's article is a bit slow, but it introduces new information and covers the White House cabal.
Click Here
Dems - Let's all get behind Condi Rice for GOP presidential candidate in 2008.
There are so many directions that an opponent could attack her credibility, that the only "state" Condi may win is the state of "Crawford".
The Plame Leak Reaches the White House . . .
. . . or, What Did the President Know? And When Did He Know It?
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=252022&ct=1518469#3
Good Friday Morning, Dems! The last day of my vacation :-(
Good synopsis of Plamegate at your 8:02, Paul. Sounds like the inevitable is getting closer and closer!
This is the most offensive item in the news this morning
Click Here
Good morning, good Dems. Dropping in to share a couple of meaty articles with you all that I found on the Clark blog:
'Why can't the left face the stolen elections of 2004 & 2008?'
Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
and this article from the American Conservative (Oct 24, 2005 issue) that will just blow your mind about the sink hole of corruption that our tax dollars are pouring into in Iraq:
Money for Nothing
Billions of dollars have disappeared, gone to bribe Iraqis and line contractors’ pockets.
by Philip Giraldi-
The United States invaded Iraq with a high-minded mission: destroy dangerous weapons, bring democracy, and trigger a wave of reform across the Middle East. None of these have happened...
Both of these are LONG, but MUST READS, so bookmark them for later if you haven't got the time now. Knowledge is power!
looks like this cbs reporter posted in iraq has a slightly different take on conditions there than condi and co...
(CBS) This article was written by CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey.
About the only benefit from not being able to move freely to report is that there is time to read about this place. But in doing so, one gets the impression that nobody in the U.S. government pays attention to what we do manage to report.
Or is it simply that the disconnect between the reality here and the preferred perception there is unbridgeable?
total disconnect
paul sending this texas bimbette out to win over the muslim world is not a great idea. is she wearing her official white house cowgirl boots and fancy rodeo shirt? she is a long, long way from some dallas suburb rotary club...what a bunch of assholes.
GregG,
Yes, Karen Hughes is an offense to any civilized person. Her lies have always caused me to take Alka-Seltzer.
The Republican Solution to Reconstruction
. . . or gentrification?
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after reading this i am convinced that bush's pick for the chairman of the joint chiefs will be his panama red connection:
Miers Firm Received Bush Campaign Payments
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By FRANK BASS Associated Press Writer
October 21,2005 | WASHINGTON -- George W. Bush's rising political fortunes provided a windfall for Harriet Miers' law firm.
Campaign records show Bush's Texas gubernatorial campaigns paid Miers a total of $163,000 in legal fees, most of it for work done during the future president's 1998 re-election bid.
Some senators are planning to explore Miers' legal work for Bush during her confirmation process to be the newest Supreme Court justice, but the White House says it won't release any memos detailing that work.
"I think people across the country recognize the importance of attorney-client privilege," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.
Reports filed with the Texas Ethics Commission show that two payments of $70,000 were made to Miers' Locke, Purnell, Rain and Harrell firm in Dallas within a month of each other during the 1998 campaign. Another $16,000 in payments were made between March and December 1999.
The 1998 totals dwarfed the $7,000 Bush paid Miers' firm during his first run for governor in 1994, and are extremely large for campaign legal work in Texas, an expert said.
"I'm baffled," said Randall B. Wood, a partner in the Austin firm of Ray, Wood and Bonilla, and former director of Common Cause of Texas. "I've never seen that kind of money spent on a campaign lawyer. It's unprecedented."
the rest of that piece which is from ap via salon:
The amount received by Locke, Purnell for the 1998 Texas race approaches the national tab for the 2004 Bush presidential re-election campaign, when at least $191,000 was spent on lawyers, Federal Election Commission records show.
In 2000, the Bush presidential campaign spent about $365,000 on legal services, the records show.
The Associated Press reviewed Texas records between 1993 and 2000, although detailed reports weren't available for the last half of 1995. A state commission spokeswoman said the panel had planned to retain all of the records because of their historic significance when Bush became president, but some were misplaced.
Dana Perrino, a White House spokeswoman, said the legal fees to Miers' firm were for routine campaign work, but declined to be more specific. Presidential aides declined to say whether Miers ever worked on researching Bush's past, such as his military record.
A spokeswoman for Locke, Liddell & Sapp -- the firm created when Miers' office merged with another Dallas law firm -- said it wouldn't provide details on the payments, citing attorney-client privilege.
Former Texas Land Commissioner Garry Mauro, a Democrat who was defeated handily by Bush in the 1998 campaign, said both the amount and the timing of the payments are curious. In late September, when Miers' firm received the first of two $70,000 payments, Mauro said he trailed Bush in the polls by 35 points.
"If they're spending that kind of money," said Mauro, now an Austin attorney who estimates he spent less than $20,000 on legal fees during the campaign, "they're spending it to protect themselves from something."
A spokeswoman for Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the panel plans to explore the legal work done by Miers' firm for Bush.
A questionnaire sent out last week by Leahy and Sen. Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who chairs the committee, has asked Miers to "explain how you will resolve any conflicts that may arise by virtue of your service in the Bush Administration, as George W. Bush's personal lawyer, or as the lawyer for George W. Bush's gubernatorial and presidential campaigns."
Miers provided answers to the questionnaire earlier this week, but lawmakers rejected her answers as too vague.
paul, maybe we have found a way to slow down the neocon/fundie/destroy the social safety net juggernaught...headed by jughead...keep them in arraingment hearings and deposition sessions till the elections.
Dom
I am not opposed to anti-sexual harassment laws. In fact, I just filed a lawsuit yesterday for a young girl who was sexually harassed by her boss who apparently thinks that it is ok for him to touch her boobs whenever he wants.
Second, Delay’s mug shot looks stupid. I know he was ordered by his lawyer to smile but gimme a break.
Third,
I apologize for not getting into the gun debate last night but my wife grounded me and told me that I was spending too much time on the blog. Like most good males, I know who the boss is and if momma ain’t happy, nobody is happy.
Finally, how do I link something? I didn’t link any cases because I don’t know how. And Will, I am hurt, I finally agree with you and not even a response back.
Frostie
frostie, i am glad there is some sort of super ego figure in your life as it is clear left to your own devices you would be standing atop the empire state building swatting at biplanes in no time.
i know the old way of linking but not the new. i don't deal with change too well and now i have to go out and hand crank my car to start it up.
gregg
thanks for the kind comments. With respect to me swatting biplanes, you should know me better than that by now-- I wouldn't swat at them, I would use my assault rifle and blow them out of the sky.
If you need any help cranking your car, let me know.
smile
Good morning everyone! What a mug shot, huh? You know his peeps told him to make sure he had a rosy smile and a pleasant "I'm innocent" look. Honestly, I don't know how anyone can be a republican anymore the way their ship is unraveling. We are finding that the history of corruption has been so long that it would be hard to admit mistakes. I really don't think that democrats ever have had such moralistic, inhuman, predatory corruption. How the religious right supports these animals is so beyond me.
Anyone know anythign about Antonia Novella, the former surgeon general? A student of mine is interviewing her in a few minutes.
Chris
Never heard of her. Is she wearing her uniform like Ms. Elders.
Frostie
I can't pick on the way she looks or dresses yet because I don't know much about her :)
Good morning every all,
Isn't it interesting how history repeats itself? I am referring to the media's war of 1898, The Spanish American War, and our current fiasco in Iraq. The days of yellow journalism from 1870 to 1900, and 1980 to present. I miss the professional journalism envisioned be Henry Luce as he began Time magazine. The decade of the 1990's was too good, everyone was making money, henceforth, blue[blew] dress-gate. In 2001, the media saw this new war for its sensationalist value to sell the newspapers/TV ed-op-news shows/internet websites etc. I hope what comes out of fitzgerald's investigation is the truth; because it is the truth that sets us free.
Oh yeah, as for Karen Hughes, she ranks right up there with Katherine Harris as a ranking member of the Liars club.
TGIF everyone!
denial strikes deep, into your staff it will creep, starts when you're always telling lies...
A Palpable Silence at the White House
Few Ready to Face Effects of Leak Case
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102002321.html
Good morning, all.
Did you catch the photo Mathews used on Hardball last night as a backdrop for starting discussion on Plamegate. There was Libby and Cheney with who else but Harriet Miers standing between them in a sweet little photo opp.
I can't believe that the Republicans are going to put her on the Supreme Court when they know she's going to be called to testify in the Plamegate trials. Is there any institution in this country that they haven't desecrated?
Had you seen this? "Bush Ponders Life Without Rove"?
LOL!
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Judge donated to MoveOn.org, who is selling T-shirts with DeLay's mug shot! Too bad he's recusing!
Posted by Frostie94 on October 21, 2005 at 08:56 AM
Will you be "allowed" to drink with us on Fri. nights? hahaha
(I love living independently!!! I'm my own boss!!!)
;)
Actually, he didn't recuse, but asked the District Judge to rule (I think).
institution in this country that they haven't desecrated?
Posted by SandyH on October 21, 2005 at 10:06 AM
SandyH,
...but our flag still waves!! The freedom and the democracy that our flag represents is in cinders. What remains of our democracy is but an empty shell. Don't burn our flag; it is representative of something we used to have. We need it to continue living in the past, so our future, and the future of our children, does not appear so bleak.
DeLay will try hard for a change of venue. Austin is not his favorite place to be. His redistricting scheme eliminated the congressional seat of an Austin Dem.
Joke Time:
Frustrated by all the criticism that Bush is an idiot, some Republican leaders decide to hold a "George W Bush is NOT Stupid" rally. 80,000 Republicans pack into Arrowhead Stadium . Trent Lott has been tapped to be the MC . Lott opens the rally announcing, "Fellow Republicans, we're here today to show the world that George W Bush is not stupid as the Liberal Media tries to portray him. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present the President of the United States, George W Bush. " Bush comes out on the field to thunderous applause. Lott says, "Mr. President, let's show 'em that the Liberal Media is lying when they say you're stupid. What's the capital city of Missouri ?" Dubya pauses, scrunches up his face, then says, " Minnesota ? ". A collective sigh sweeps through the crowd. But then they begin to chant, " Give Dubya another chance, Give Dubya another chance ." Happy to accomodate them, Lott says, " OK Mr. President, let's try this one . Who's the Vice President of the United States ? " Dubya thinks for a few seconds and then replies " Tony Blair? " Again, after a few seconds of stunned silence, the crowd begins to chant " Give Dubya another chance, Give Dubya another chance. " Lott decides he's been WAY too tough on Dubya so he says, " OK, Mr. President. Take your time on this one . How much is 2 plus 2 ? " Dubya has a puzzled look on his face. Lott whispers . "Here look at my fingers" as he surreptitiously shows Dubya two fingers on each hand . After a few more anxious moments, Dubya says, " Four? ". There's a collective intake of breath from the crowd, then they begin to chant, " Give Dubya another chance, Give Dubya another chance . "
Hahahah! Cyn that's a perfect example of the Lemmings who follow the FOOL! One step down on the ladder of working brain cells. (or two steps?)
Paul, Pam, Gregg (and others) I've read some great links here today! Thanks!! Thanks for the heads up on Delay on Cspan too (whom ever posted it)
Susan - I posted a few articles from WES yesterday. He's just such a complete package I can't think of anyone else who has such a variety of qualifications and history and general adoration as this Man. And no lobbyists to worry about (ala Delay)
I wonder who all he's donated to? It seems you can't donate to Move ON or you are branded a commie pinko! lmao! If it wasn't for THEM --------------- I can't imagine how "in the dark" we still might be!!!
OMG Stephanie Miller just said they just stopped payment on BONUSES offered to soldiers who re-enlisted. OMG!!
That's gonna cause a LOT to go AWOL!
Moveon.org has an easy way to send Letters to the Editor. You can write a custom letter or use their pre-done letters. Here's what I sent in regards to the reduction in spending (values) being proposed by the right -- is that white and right?
Where are the values? It is easy to spend $200B on a very questionable war, but cut the very programs that could help those not so fortunate. Education, health care, and food are the very things that can help lift folks out of the vicous cycle of poverty. AND therefore become tax payers.
The best place to cut are those areas of the defense that are not needed. That would be a lot more that $50B per year. And maybe the $B's slush fund for the President.
Where are the values?
john cook
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