One must show an ID to fly in a plane, drive a car, write a check, or even check out a book. Asking for an ID to vote is hardly vote suppression.

One must show an ID to fly in a plane, drive a car, write a check, or even check out a book. Asking for an ID to vote is hardly vote suppression.

Posted by JonesFor on December 8, 2005 at 01:27 PM

So Jones who are the people that fly in planes or drive cars or have checking accounts? They are those that can afford to do all the things you mentioned. It is a fundamental right to vote. It is a privilage to drive or to fly anywhere.

These restrictions are nothing more than GOP's 21 century brand of Jim Crowe. They know that the people who these rules will hurt the most tend to vote democrat. This is nothing more than voter suppression.

I hope black folks in Ohio are paying attention to the Deeds of the GOP and not just their halllow words you know 'We are the Party of Lincoln' Democrats have taken you for granted blah Blah Blah.

I also hope every black organization in this country let's the GOP hear loud and clear that we aren't standing for it.

They think they are fighting the civil war all over again...anything they can do to disenfranchise the poor and minorities. Reconstruction comes to the Buckeye State?

Born-again hypocrites, bigots, corporate interests, and those just plain greedy for more power want to exploit the freedom of others to satisfy their own ends. They want to be the ruling class without any opposition. This amounts to slavery raising it's ugly head of again in the United States of America.

Well, we'll just see about that.

So, if a suitable ID is free and easy to obtain, would you support it?

asop, do you think requiring voter registration is an example of "Jim Crowe" laws?

I personally & professionally opposed Issues 2, 4 & 5 on the OH ballot this past November.

Voters in OH have never had to show I.D. to cast a ballot, with the exception of if they had mailed in their voter registration. In my county, we notify those voters what is required, but the voters still show up without any ID. It will be a change, one that will hinder some from casting a ballot, thus, voter disenfranchisement. It might take a few years to get the voters accustom to the changes.

ONLY, the voters can stop the rich and powerful from buying elections and lying about the opposition. We can refuse to vote even for our party candidates unless they are willing to pledge under oath to pass laws to make it impossible for the wealthy and powerful to control us or our elections,if we vote them in or keep them in the majority. When we vote them in they better get busy as soon as the session starts to pass the laws or they won't make it the next time regardless of what they have been able to accomplish for their State.

Voters in OH have never had to show I.D. to cast a ballot, with the exception of if they had mailed in their voter registration. In my county, we notify those voters what is required, but the voters still show up without any ID

Jacque,

CT has required ID for many years. Working the polls last month, I discovered that for those who either forgot, or had not ID, they filled out a Form 4 at the polling place.

A copy of a Utility or other bill, or anything else addressed to the person at their street address was acceptable.

It did not appear to be a problem to anyone.

Pam,

Not a problem, just change. HB 3 states if they forget their ID, they vote a provisional & then they must provide the elections office with what is required before that provisional will be counted. I hope to goodness the law is clear and each election board can interpret it the same.

I don't have a problem with ID, but working in first a bank (10 years) now an elections office (14 years) I see how misunderstood the public can be. It's only change. We will survive this hurdle.

asop, do you think requiring voter registration is an example of "Jim Crowe" laws?

Posted by JonesFor on December 8, 2005 at 02:41 PM

JonesFor votier registration is not what these initatives are trying to do. What these initiatives are trying to do is surpress the minority and poor vote.

We all saw the lines in Democratic poor precints in Ohio and across the U.S. on Nov 4. The fact that poor folks like myself and minorities like myself. Listened when Kerry and Edwards said that this would be the most important election of our lives and braved the elements and long lines, to excerise our right to vote scares the Hell out of the GOP.

They have tried to use fear, Our love of God, Gays and Guns to divide us. None of those things worked. So,now they'll use good old fashion surpression tactics. A national Id. or state ID is nothing more than a poll tax.

And by the way. When you register to vote. Your signature means that you are saying under oath that you are who you say you are and that you are elgible to vote. That is all anyone needs to know.

I swear, it’s no wonder why the republicans are in power, the democrats are to easily distracted. Let’s say that 100 people decided to vote more than once, it would take all day and many polling districts to accomplish this task. At the end of it they might get 500 to 1000 more votes. Debualt and BlackHole with their electronic voting machines can do that in a couple of key strokes.

Yes this measure is meant to seed future elections in case they can’t steal them anymore, but right now we need transparent elections.

P.S. We won the war a long time ago; it’s the peace we need to win now!!

voting is one of america's greatest accomplishments. and there are many, many occasions when voter fraud/buying have occurred.
to have a person who wants to vote identify that they are who they say, and to have a valid i.d. is a very low price/condition to safegard what we hold 'sacred'...voting ! as far as not having driver's licences, there are other non-driving license i.d. that are easily available; but not for someone who sits on a couch and waits for it to be handed to on a silver platter. and the cost of non-driving license i.d. (in florida for instance) is $5.00
i still think that john kerry, along with howard dean, should take a car ride with teddy kennedy down by the river....

Well grouchy and the rest of you who don't think this is a bad idea,

I am so glad that an Id is affordable where you are from but in my state it is not. It is over twenty dollars for a drivers license or state ID.

What happens if you move and your address changes you have to get a new ID. the price doesn't go down for a duplicate. Many people don't bother to replace it until it expires because they are oh I don't know Trying to Survive.

Many of us who are the working class poor can't afford health insurance let alone the cost of replacing an ID just so I can excerise my GOd given right to vote.

I am very sadden by the elitist Marie Antoinette attitude of this thread. Today it will be ID's required. Next it will be retinal scans machines made by diebold.

Next it will be retinal scans machines made by diebold.

Posted by asop on December 8, 2005 at 09:41 PM

I've seen those scanners. Yep, the wave of the future. I've told everybody on this blog for the past 2 years about them. First will come vote centers, then cross county/state means to cast a ballot...all in the name of making it easier on the voter to vote.

Boards of elections can provide voter ID cards, (the cost to the counties will be outrageous!) if only the voter didn't lose them. (can you say, voter awareness?) The voter can also use a utility bill as id. It shows their current address.

I'm not happy with HB 3, but I do have to make it work. (comply with the law)

As a member of Common Cause, and FL Fair Elections; I received several urgent pleas, for money and volunteers to go to Ohio, for money for materials to hand out to explain these reforrendum questions. I din't hear a word from the Democratic Party, or what they were doing!
I could be wrong, because I haven't been able to find much recent info. on it, but in Georgia the Repug's passed a similar law, requiring ID, that would cost $20. It went to court and was struck down as Unconstitutional, as a voting tax!
Where's the (supposed) Democratic Party, on these issues? How can 'we' go on supporting, or why should we support, a party that doesn't support 'US' on these important issues?
In Mass. I always went to the poll with my V.A. photo ID, and a paid bill, and never had to show proof of anything! I was on the registered poll list, and I voted at the Fire Station, not in a church, like so many in Florida have to do!

What's the problem with showing an ID? I have to show one to get on a flight. To cash a check, etc... The cost is the only thing that should be a concern. However, the democrats have refused to support IDs even when the county would provide the IDs for FREE and even visit those (for FREE) to provide one if they cannot travel. Still, a refusal. Why? If there is no cost problem, then the only reason is that demos do not want to make sure everyone has ONE vote. Is there any other explanation other than overvotes and fraud tend to benefit the democrats? Be honest! If there is no cost (to the individual), then there is no reason to oppose.

The third section down where the voter would have to show formal identification is the same as being put though a POLL TAX. Who is going to control those who verify that issue. Would not trust a ( R ) as far as I could throw one