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Posted by Joe Rospars on December 20, 2005 at 01:00 PM

"None of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead." -- Sen. John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, December 20, 2005

"I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry, patriot of Virginia, March 23, 1775

UPDATE: LW in the comments another quote for the mix:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, patriot of Pennsylvania, November 11, 1755

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Here is what Bush thinks of the lower and middle classes and their rights.

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MNDem on December 20, 2005 at 01:20 PM

I don't think I have anything to hide BUT, I am afraid of this President and his Administration. When I first heard he had spent the surplus on contracts and tax cuts for the wealthy, I knew we were in trouble. He did the same in Texas.

Are you in the group that is willing to send your sons and daughters to the boots on the ground?
Are you in the group that has a self serving stratgy? Whether it is the South that believes in slavery to maintain a way of life?
Does your group believe there are no limits in spying on your neighbors to discover your enemies?
Will your group be willing to break the law to
improve your prosperty, power, or increase the numbers of your group?

Will your group that has no power be able to stand under the other groups belief in absolute power?
If you are below the middle, how does trickle down economics help you?
Which group will have the larger percent of taxes to pay, the top, middle, or the bottom?
Why do we see an increase in the middle class at times and a much lower degree at other times?
Why is the Nation so afraid of the survaillance by our Government? Is any group exempt?

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oneforall on December 20, 2005 at 01:42 PM

I disagree. The dead should be given as much if not more "respect" than the living, in terms of civil liberties. Afterall, didn't Jesus die? isn't God dead?
The reason for this outburst is because I just discovered Amy Grant. So far as civil liberties of the living go, because I reside in Australia, for many many years it may be said that my rights even as a kid were trampled upon. What if, for example, the creation of Camp David, itself was really some hideously sick joke? Well, maybe not hideous, but definitely sick. What if I'm being stalked right now by some associates of Australian politicians? Have been for years?
What if Amy Grant is to "blame" for everything that happened to me after 1977?
I'm sorry. I should have followed orders and done what The Beatles told me to do. etc etc. In the 60s and they would have prevailed upon my decency and etc and Reagan would never have been elected, and etc.
Yes, Bush has "broken" the law [of God].
I saw Bill Clinton here last week too, and Monika Lewinski. Or very good look-a-likes. It's just the natural order, I suppose. And I miss Amy now.

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ozzie on December 20, 2005 at 02:00 PM

IMPEACH!

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jnfallon on December 20, 2005 at 02:09 PM

How quickly we either forget or deny the lessons of the American Revolution. Amongst the many grievances the Americans had with Britain was of "unreasonable search and seizure". If this had not been of particular importance protection from it would not have been written into the Constitution.

Many of us have g's-grandparents who fought that particular battle. I've read the letters and wills of several of mine, where they laid witness to the privations the underwent -- sacrifices that most people today wouldn't stand. Those who fought for our freedoms originally spent winters bearing frostbite and gnawing hunger. They spent hot summers, slapping mosquitos in the heat, far from home and loved ones because something much larger and more important was at stake.

They fought against tyranny and government invasiveness. The Framers listened to the people they represented and laid down in our foundation document specific protections from government interference -- such as had been denied to them.

But they made sure that they gave those protections to us. Sure, the Constitution isn't a perfect document but it is far more than, as George Bush so quaintly put it, "just a goddam piece of paper". That "piece of paper" is the very thing that makes America "America". To trample, deface, abuse or destroy it (as the Federalists would do) is equal to taking a shit at the feet of Lady Liberty herself.

But that is exactly what Bush is doing. Worse, he would insist that we suborn, even applaud his desecration of everything that represents America to me.

Anyone who thinks that Bush's actions are in the least conscionable in the light of the law of the land and in actual study of history obviously didn't bother to wake up in history class at all. To allow such unlawful search and seizure spits on the Founders, denies the Framers and sends America on a path straight to exactly what the Revolutionary Patriots fought so hard to get out from under.

There is nothing more unpatriotic that to throw away the rights and freedoms the Revolutionary Patriots and Founders struggled so hard for us to have and to hand down.

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Amanda_B_Reckondwythe on December 20, 2005 at 02:34 PM

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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lw on December 20, 2005 at 02:37 PM

To expand upon that. I recently completed a short movie. It was mainly pictures of stone plaques, attached to buildings showing the dates upon which they were opened. December 8, for example, November 22, 1963, to boot. Don't forget the International Dateline; that Pearl Jam Harbour attack December 7th? December 9th?
John Lennon 1980 dec 8. {save me amy}
Then there were street names.
Guthrie Street = Woodie Guthrie
Oswald Street = Lee Harvey Oswald
I didn't put Grant Avenue in, though. Amy Grant.
But the govt TV then showed a recent French doco which "revealed" that people in high places at the end of WW 2 knew that detail. As it was a John The Baptist church which had been opened on those dates.
So, in some regards this place took over executivefunctions in the US and I always questioned that and still do. But then who am I? As I was born on Grant Street.
I think that "volunteerism" wrecked my life. You come up with some really good ideas, and etc, and pass them on and before you know it, every movie you see, every radio song, every news item, ever TV show, is a production number from taken from a 6 or 7 page "list of facts" you wrote.
I question that.
It's irresponsible, to say the least, and they didn't compensate me in any way; quite the opposite as I'm part of the "evidence," against them.
So, when I said that the original creation of Camp David itself may have been a hideous "joke" you have to take it in this overall context. Who is David Watts? [apart from a govt employee promoting pop music] Who is David Bevan? etc.
The history of the East coast says there were Watts race riots 1960s.
Where is Dayley Road? The history of Chicago says there were riots when Mayor Dayley held that conference in Chicago.
Where is Bob Bush soccer park?
Didn't Bill Clinton say that he's a soccer Mom?
There's something about Amy now....?

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ozzie on December 20, 2005 at 02:44 PM

"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams

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garyva on December 20, 2005 at 04:25 PM

An interesting quote:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

Hermann Goering
Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremburg Trials after WWII

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MNDem on December 20, 2005 at 05:40 PM

I do think Republicans should be challenged in their attitude towards civil rights because it allows them to pretend that's the whole issue when, in fact, individual human rights which we claim are much more significant. Civil rights are those which define a citizen's participation in government and while it is a principle of our Constitution that they should be enjoyed equally by all citizens in good standing (fellons may be precluded from voting), they are not the core of a meaningful existence.

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monicasmith on December 20, 2005 at 06:53 PM

Ozzimandias...isn't that a Greek word for the region of Egypt? Which poet was that? I left my Norton Anthology of British Literature, Vol 2 back in the Midlands some years ago....I could call my husband but now I am afraid to.
Meanwhile back to the Rights of Man, or can we add Vindication of the Rights of Woman by Mary Shelly?
As for Oz, the curtain has been lifted and this is going to be very interesting...so Goodbye Yellow Brick Road...Dorothy knows there's no place like home. That's where Mother Abigail and Mother Jones live.
Suggested Readings:
1.Stephen King's first great novel, The Stand.
2.The Autobiography of Mother Jones.
Go Dems Go!!!
Yakeedah! (That's Welsh incase you guys are listening in.)

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MarieDNC on December 20, 2005 at 10:27 PM

This same little group that wants to take civil rights and privacy away wanted and did do this to black folk in the past.

Now they want to do the same to everybody.

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J on December 20, 2005 at 10:59 PM

Yo!
These frozen in stone Medussa-brains attacked Senator Byrd on one of the threads the other day for his youthful wrongheadedness....made me angry.
I got back at them on another thread about their stuckness.
People become enlightened and change...especially over a course of seventy some years of history....
I remember reading a book called "Black Like Me" when I was only 12. It changed my world and I went on to march for civil rights and the anti war and nuke issues.
God gives us a miracle every day that we are usually too busy to see...another day of life.
In this we are all alike!
People change unless they are frozen in stone.
It is better to say you erred and learned and changed than to be stuck in fundamentalism and prejudice.
We've come a long way over many years, and there is hope for our children if we can all just stick together and overcome again and again and again.
This world has changed very much in the last seventy years.
By the way...If anyone wants to cut down Senator Byrd, you are an ignorant hypocrite and have no right to unless you are as full of life and memories and wisdom as he is, which is seventy years old plus...I am thankful we have him in the Senate and many other Dems...especially now!
Have you ever been experienced? Well I have....
Thanks J, glad you're there!!! Go Dems Go!!!
Love, M.

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MarieDNC on December 21, 2005 at 07:24 AM

"None of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead." -- Sen. John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, December 20, 2005

And they dare to call John Murtha a coward? The Republicans are the true cowards. They can't handle democracy. There are too many responsibilities. So they would rather let a so-called strong man/leader like Bush or Saddam run their liberties into the ground for some false sense of security.

Look at the mess in Iraq and see what our future will be, if we allow the cowards amongst us to give into their fears.


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SandyH on December 21, 2005 at 08:24 AM

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

This is one of favorite Quotes and one that I use often when dealing with the Dittoheads who still blindly support this President and his corrupt administration. I am so glad that our party is finally growing a spine and calling republicans out on their doublespeak tactics.

For a long time I thought I was living in a very bad renactment of 'Animal Farm'

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asop on December 21, 2005 at 04:12 PM

WashPost Columnist To Media: Don't Be Afraid of Liberal "Passion"
Posted by Tim Graham on December 30, 2005 - 08:34.
Washington Post columnist (and former Post reporter) David Ignatius concludes his year in review by endorsing the notion that liberal reporters ought to stick by their biases and passions. Don't be afraid to be liberal, and don't try to please everyone (conservatives):

isnt it great to know what our fourth and most powerful branch of government thinks i swear everytime i turn on the news i might as well just be getting news from this site hey maybe thats their secret

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truthexposer on December 30, 2005 at 07:31 PM


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