USA Today poll over the weekend:

Bush's series of speeches have left Americans absolutely unmoved regarding the Iraq war. 55% now believe Iraq has absolutely nothing do do with fighting terrorism.

"Bush's job-approval rating was 41%, a bit higher than his historic low of 37% last month but down a point or two from earlier in December. For the first time a majority, 53%, said they had an unfavorable impression of him."

And that's not counting today's headline that Bush is going to stick with his NSA-spying-on-Americans routine. That's gonna thrill a lot of people... not.

When will the Democrats Stop saying "well We didnt KNOW" Well if you didnt know, then why the crap did you VOTE YES? OR was this Voting yes before you voted know about voting yes.... recount bushh stolen election ehhhhe e torture and laughing ahhaha they're all laughing at me CLinton we need clinton yea well figure out a way to reelect him bush suck bushhhh sucksss lied WMD Saddamm ... CNN ... Fillibuster

President Bush is trying to PROTECT you sorry asses from another 9/11 and you are complaing that we are monitoring ONLY calls/emails comming FROM terrorist harboring nations or to the USA FROM those countries YOU CAN HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

Sorry YOU CAANTT have it both ways. So if Bush "Lied" or missinformed or whatever it is the dems claim is always happeneing Then I guess Clinton needs to be looked into as well Even though I KNEW what was going on with Echelon Good grief guys have you no issues with your party that keeps saying "Well we didnt know" give me a BREAK

Sorry I dont listen to polls Polls mean nothing as elections CONTINUE to demonstrate
no I dont watch FOX either

HEy ahh what LAW did Bush Breakk Im just courious.. Could you please inform me of this as I do not like living in a "police state"

If Bush REALLY brike the law he would be in serious trouble right now But you always do the Drive by accusation with NO FACTS to back it up Hellloooo is anybody out there

King George BROKE THE LAW!

Oh, and as for the "President can do anything he wants so long as he mentions foreign intelligence needs" theory, you might want to read this:
Warrantless “National Security” Electronic Surveillance.—In Katz v. United States,151 Justice White sought to preserve for a future case the possibility that in “national security cases” electronic surveillance upon the authorization of the President or the Attorney General could be permissible without prior judicial approval. The Executive Branch then asserted the power to wiretap and to “bug” in two types of national security situations, against domestic subversion and against foreign intelligence operations, first basing its authority on a theory of “inherent” presidential power and then in the Supreme Court withdrawing to the argument that such surveillance was a “reasonable” search and seizure and therefore valid under the Fourth Amendment. Unanimously, the Court held that at least in cases of domestic subversive investigations, compliance with the warrant provisions of the Fourth Amendment was required.152 Whether or not a search was[p.1256]reasonable, wrote Justice Powell for the Court, was a question which derived much of its answer from the warrant clause; except in a few narrowly circumscribed classes of situations, only those searches conducted pursuant to warrants were reasonable. The Government’s duty to preserve the national security did not override the guarantee that before government could invade the privacy of its citizens it must present to a neutral magistrate evidence sufficient to support issuance of a warrant authorizing that invasion of privacy.153 This protection was even more needed in “national security cases” than in cases of “ordinary” crime, the Justice continued, inasmuch as the tendency of government so often is to regard opponents of its policies as a threat and hence to tread in areas protected by the First Amendment as well as by the Fourth.154 Rejected also was the argument that courts could not appreciate the intricacies of investigations in the area of national security nor preserve the secrecy which is required.155
The question of the scope of the President’s constitutional powers, if any, remains judicially unsettled.156 Congress has acted, however, providing for a special court to hear requests for warrants for electronic surveillance in foreign intelligence situations, and permitting the President to authorize warrantless surveillance to[p.1257]acquire foreign intelligence information provided that the communications to be monitored are exclusively between or among foreign powers and there is no substantial likelihood any “United States person” will be overheard.157 The Supreme Court's decision in Katz seems to contradict ANY assertion of a broad presidential power to eavesdrop on US citizens on US soil, even for 'foreign intelligence" investigations.

FISA was passed in 1978. Who was in the White House, who controlled Congress, the DOD?

If you made a phone call today or sent an e-mail to a friend, there's a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country's largest intelligence agency. The top-secret Global Surveillance Network is called Echelon, and it's run by the National Security Agency and four English-speaking allies: Canada, Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm

What? this happened underr Clinton? why this can't be!!! where's the outrage!

Wonder what Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Durbin, Leahy, Feingold, etc. etc. will have to say about this.

Doesn't matter! 70s, 80s, 90s!

Bush's fault!

Truth is...the Government has been spying on citizens for decades. Only when it involves Bush are they outraged.

Echelon is nothing more than a possibility. There is zero proof it has been or is being used.

Lets say it is for your arguments sake. Though very shady it doesn't turn the Constitution into toilet paper.

Something Herr Bush has been doing for quite awhile now while telling everyone in america "Foff" if you don't like me spying on americans without just cause or judicial warrants as the constitution says I must do on national television.

We are not talking about echelon. We are talking about an executive order by King George. Even in the echelon system, domestic spying on Americans is illegal!

King George BROKE THE LAW!

If Rockefeller was truly concerned about protecting the Constitution instead of the Fascist Neocon status quo, he wold have outed Bush in 2003. Instead he hid behind the flimsy excuse that Bush's illegal spying was actually a state secret.

Give me a break! Don't be fooled by Rockefeller's half hearted attempts to oppose the corrupt administration. He is a fascist too regardless of his party affiliation. Remember, he is a Rockefeller oil man, don't ever forget that.

Whoa Truthmonger, posting a dozen times, all of them half witted don't prove a thing. What law was broken, you ask???
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 4 - Search and seizure

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That part of the US Constitution was broken. There is a law, FISA, that allows the President to order speedy surviellence; The court can issue the warrants after the wire tapping, but someone must still go under oath, and Bush didn't want to abide by the US Constitution and have FBI agents under oath. The question is why didn't the administration want to have our FBI agents seeking warrants?

Because either Bush hates our Constitution, or in the testimony to the court other illegal acts would be uncovered.

And Bud3, yes FISA has been on the books since 78; Americans aren't upset about any laws that Bush did follow, we are upset because of the laws Bush apparently broke. And if you don't understand why, imagine if instead of spying on Americans calling to Islamic countries, what if Bush were spying on Militia men, the NRA, Pat Robertson, or gun owners.

This isn't an Republican vs Democrat issue, this is a constitutional issue, a right vs wrong issue. The Gingrich, Bush, DeLay, Rove crowd has been able to hijack the national dialogue by portraying every story as a Rep vs Dem thing, that even when the President gets caught in a web of corruption, unconstitutional spying, and outing CIA agents the spin machine goes to defend him because he is their guy. It really is sad.

Okay, let me get recent events straight:

In 2003, at a time of great national crisis and widescale justified fear, President Bush got us into a war based upon his statements that Saddam had WMDs and close ties to al Quaeda -- which would be, in combination, a wholey unacceptable situation, particularly after 9/11. These were the primary justifications for the invasion of Iraq. Those accusations turned out to be totally bogus, which even Bush now finally admits. In other words, Bush played us for suckers, using lies to play upon our fears and get the war he wanted. Thousands of our soldiers, and tens of thousands of Iraqis haved died due to Bush's lies.

(Meantime, the administration has been in the awkward position of both denying the torture of terrorist suspects, and at the same time opposing Senator McCain's successful bill making such torture illegal.)

Now this same Bush who told us those whoppers has admitted to authorizing years of spying by the NSA upon American citizens within our own borders, without judicial warrant and without legislative approval. He claims it is legal, and vows he'll keep on doing it, so there.

Ominously, Bush blames the messenger, the New York Times, for letting the cat out of the bag about how he has been ravishing our Constitution. He calls Democrats and others in the Senate "defeatists" for calling for timetables for withdrawal from Iraq. Now the Senate has stopped the renewal of the so-called Patriot Act in light of these newly revealed spying abuses, infuriating Bush further.

Bush has gone too far this time, and must be stopped at once. Our Constitution cannot be casually tossed aside by Presidential edict. Make no mistake: If this stands, it signals the beginning of the end of the balance of powers in our government, the end of our citizens' rights of privacy, and ultmately the end of our democracy.

I never expected to have to say something that seems so outrageous, but Bush and his NeoCon backers have put our nation on the first step toward ou nation being split into something like Fascism and Resistance factions. Only if action is taken immediately, can this trend toward dictatorship and inevitable rebellion be reversed.

The foul language TruthMonger uses, comes close to the language Dick Cheney specializes in.
The way TruthMonger treats American democracy, also sounds like Dick's interpretation of the American Democracy. The policy of torture, spying on US citizens, lying to the American public, leaking the name of a CIA operative because the husband of the operative dared question the truth of this administration's claim, attack on the free press.

This administration is yet to bring to justice the person who master minded the attack on US soil. Where is Osama dead or alive. This administration took their eyes off of Osama and the Taliban and opened a second front without any clue of the consequences. Thanks to W, Dick and Rummy, Iraq has become a hotbed for terrorist recruitment. W, Dick and Rummy have made the world and the US less safe.
Iran is the only beneficiary in the region. Iran, that was becoming moderate during the Clinton years, now has a radical right wing President, thanks to W, Dick and Rummy.

This incompetent President has caused the death of over 2000 young Americans. This incompetent President has lowered the prestige and influence of US to the lowest level in a long time.

This letter is ridiculous. It proves absolutely nothing other than the fact that Democratic Senators are more worried about protecting their own political future than the safety of Americans.

-c.norris

Wow,

That " The Congress said it was okay " garbage coming from the White House aint gonna fly in the face of this letter now is it?

This is another fine example of Georgie and the Repooplicans using 9/11 as an excuse. They use it as an excuse for the lousy economy and huge deficit. They use it as an excuse to spy on people illegally. The Repooplicans are our country's version of the Communist Party.

Their color is red, just like the Communists. They want to take our rights away from us, just like the Communists. They want to spy on us, just like the Communists.

Hey Repooplicans, stop the excuses. Take responsibility for your actions.

It's interesting that Sen. Rockefeller had to speak to the the Vice President about this issue. And it was to him not the President to whom he addressed this letter. Who has been running this government the last five years? Or is it that His Imperial Emperor is unavailable to any but the most sacred of the ruling class?

It raises the kind of questions that prosecutors and historians will find irresistible in the coming months and years.

I always thought it would be the Bill of Rights that would bring the Democratic faithful back to the fold. Those in the NRA must wonder who is tracking their movements and when they or their guns will be confiscated because "after 9/11 everything has now changed."

This Presidency has blackened the image of the GOP for generations to come. Suspension of civil liberties, legitimizing torture and secret gulags, leaking the names of our spys to the enemies, huge deficits and federal spending, and nation-building are now what they represent. You're not going to attract many young voters with that kind of track record.

Why is the Democratic Party so quiet on this? If it were a Democratic president you know that the republicans would be shouting from the rooftops "Impeachment". But we really are damned if we do and damned if we don't. What could be worst than having Bush as President? Having Cheney as president!

Dick Cheney has said the President has the authority to authorize spying on his own people. Now that Dick has said it is OK, then it must be OK isn't it. Dick the greatest authority on constitutional morality has given his pronouncement. The same Dick who has said torture is OK, the same Dick who may be behind the CIA leak, the same Dick who the former Secretary of State claims has been running a "cabal" in the White House. The same Dick who is associated with Halliburton. The same Dick who had the audicity of using four-letter word in the floor of the Senate because the Senator whom it was addressed to dared question him on his association with Halliburton and the Energy Task force composition.
Yes, now all of us should feel absolutely comfortable that this President did nothing wrong when he authorized spying on his own people!

While we are on the subject, someone should also ask Dick what other authority this President have; maybe gassing his own people? More the war in Iraq continues, the more W is starting to resemble Saddam.

George W. Bush and his Republican, conservative and NEOCONSERVATIVE allies are destroying our glorious American Constitution. Spying on American citizens is un-American.

It appears that NEOCONSERVATIVES SUCH AS THE MEHLMANS, AND THE WOLFOWITZES, AND (THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL) LIBBY, AND THE FEITHS, AND THE KRISTOLS, AND THE BOLTONS AND THE OTHER ANTI-CHRISTIAN NEOCONSERVATIVES have corrupted George W. Bush.

The NEOCONSERVATIVES have silken, serpentine tongues which twist and manipulate the truth. George W. Bush has been hanging out with these people too long. George W. Bush is becoming like them.

It has been reported by MSNBC and Lisa Myers, I believe, that a program, by the NEOCONSERVATIVE Wolfowitz, called TALON has conducted spying on Christian groups like the Quakers and issued reports about their religious activities to the Department of Defense.

The Quakers came to America to escape religious persecution and now George W. Bush and his NEOCONSERVATIVE allies are spying on the Quakers for their religious activities.

If anyone were to spy on a NEOCONSERVATIVE'S group, the neoconservatives would FALSELY claim religious persecution and then sue for money.

Anyone who has any smarts saves their receipts and legal docs on paper. That is why law offices fax and keep files of printed docs. Senator Rockefeller is a good man. Thanks J. Rockefeller. You have a beautiful state too.

TruthMonger reminds me of so many right-wing Bush supporters - strident, irrational, given to flaming insults vs intelligent discussion of the facts. It may be good to have him/her post now and then to reminds us of that we face as we try to educate the electorate prior to each election.

As to other posters that talk about Jay covering his backside, let's remember that the events of 9/11 and the way the Bush administration exploited the fears of the American public afterwards created a climate of "Patriotism/Nationalism" unparalleled since the McCarthy anti-Communist era. Anyone who dared question the activities that the Bush administration took to secure the safety of Americans would be cast as unpatriotic and un-American. This is the closest thing we've come to McCarthyism since the early 1950's. And it worked for a few years, as the Bush administration imposed their own version of allowable "civil liberties" under the guise of national security. However, with the unraveling of the Truth leading to the Iraqi invasion, one of the cornerstones for this policy of spying on American citizens began to erode.

We cannot deny that there are forces of terrorism aligned against us, and that we must maintain a strong security and defense structure to prevent damage to our economic and personal well-being. However, we must also be vigilant to ensure the very leaders that purport to act in our best interest in securing that well-being do NOT subvert our basic freedoms that are protected via the Constitution. Feeding on the fears of the American public post-9/11 to drive reckless and shortsighted policies in foreign affairs and energy is shameless at best. We must push to get all of the truth out about what the Bush administration planned for the economy, energy, foreign policies and how those plans intertwined to lead us to where we are today.

This bunch should be in jail including,Bush, Chaney, Delay,Frisk and all the others taking all the gifts and free trips.Dont allow them to give back the unlawfull money. WE dont let thieves do that with no punshiment.-------BUTCH

King George has done one thing. IN the past I voted for who I thought was the best,I cant ever vote reoublican,you cant believe a word they say---------------BUTCH

I wonder if my spyware will block out KING GEORGE and the other DICK,I just added my name to the list to spy on,I said a bad thing about Sadam,I mean King George!-----------Butch

Bush has lied so many times, it would be a news story if he told the truth about something.

Again lies our president, the Bush.
Whose word no one relies on.
Who never said a truthful thing,
Nor ever did a wise one.

(Thanks to the Earl of Leicester who said something similar about King Charles II of England. About the time that King Charley got beheaded for being a really terrible king, in fact.)
IMPEACH BUSH!!!

There are a lot of parallels between Nixon's Vietnam and W's Iraq. The last time there was such wholesale violation of individual rights and individual privacy was initiated by Dick Nixon.
Now W is doing the same.
Nixon resigned, otherwise he would have been impeached. W has done worse things than Nixon.

Why isn't there more talk of impeaching W?

Bush has a history of breaking the law. The Geneva convention dictates the rules for prisioners of war yet he opposed any legislation to prevent torturing and suggested it would be OK if he thought it was necessary. I never thought I would see the day when the US would need a law that bans torturing of prisioners. Now it's domestic spying and kidnapping international suspects. He hides all this illegal activity in the terrorism folder. Well that horse is about dead and the truth is George Bush is infringing on the rights of American citizens and he thinks with the Republican majority protecting him,he can do anything he wants. Sounds a little like Hitler or old communist Russia, doesn't it? What he is doing is no different than what they did. They thought they had a good reason and we called them the scum of the earth when they did such things.To the RNC bunch on this board; the next step might be opening your mail or listening in on your calls or e-mails. Your political affiation means nothing to this guy.

Equating Bush with a Communist regime would really piss him off. There parallels are there, for sure, for sure. I get tired of them calling people with a sense of social responsibility "Commies". Any communist government you study has more paralels with the Bushies, than with any liberal or progressive ideas.
Is he trying to copy the Chinese regime? Or maybe North Korea's "Dear Leader". (Get rid of the poor, let them exersize their right to starve to death.)
As rabid anti-communists as the Republicans were during the Cold War, it would really get the far-right's goat. (chuckle,chuckle, chuckle).
I like it.

Let's commemorialize TruthMangler's style and adopt single topic phrases:

Why should President Bush listen to polls when Eavesdropping will do!

Every comment I've read is all accusations and no proof. If Bush broke the law so obviously than why wait to impeach. Could it be the accusations are false or have not merit. I remember reading about Pres. Clinton who wiretapped (without a warrent) a U.S. citizen who was selling secrets to the Russians. Guess what! He was convicted and found guilty. I do not have a problem with Pres. Clinton's use of power in that instance and I don't have a problem with Pres. Bush's use of this power. It is given to each president in time of war to protect the citizens of this great country. You all complain about Pres. Bush's use of this power but you forget Pres. Clinton used it as well. Talk about consistant. I'm consistant it dosen't matter if there is a R or D after a persons name. My values stay the same. How about you.

Regarding the "letter"...How did the New York Times know about the "letter" from Sen. Rockefeller before he went public with its existence? Sen. Rockefeller is most likely the leak source here. How do the democrats respond to this? Do the democrats now support retrying convicted terrorists based on these "illegal" actions? Is the Senator from West Virginia please that he opened this box?

Or, considering the Machiavellian machinations of the Rovian mind, consider that it was leaked by the other side. Possibly in the hopes that the Times would use it to "prove" how "unpatriotic" Rockefeller was being. After all, back when this "leak" occurred Bush was riding high and could do not wrong in the media. The Times sat on it, and now is bringing it out. A Rovian scheme backfiring? Hmmmm!
As for proof that Bush broke the law, read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Bush broke the law? Let me count the ways. Violating his oath of office, where he promised to uphold the Constitution is the first of many.

Sure Bush broke the law. Maybe these RNC workers that post on this board think they are safe when it comes to domestic spying without reason. Guess again. It's your rights we are trying to protect as well as ours.You would be screaming the loudist if it happened to you so get off this trust Bush campaign. He is not trustworthy on any issue and has proven that over and over. Go try to sell you line of balogna to someone dumber than you, not here.

If they were all that smart, would they be Republicans?
If your idea of patriotism is goose-stepping along with the party of greed and corruption and telling everyone not to ask questions, then you sure as hell aren't in the habit of thinking.
You are supposed to be nice to the cognitively challenged. But you don't have to believe their crap.

To freedomisnotfree,

1. Clinton did not spy on Ames without warrants; he got the warrants at the FISA court, some retroactive to the wiretapping, but within the 72 hour mandate. So don't blame Clinton, you lying weasel. (Also, the "But Susie had a cookie from the cookie jar" defense doesn't hold up with Mom, and it certainly doesn't hold up in court) Additionally Intelligence agents and military personnel don't have the same expectation of privacy, (the need for warrants to conduct searches), that the rest of the citizens enjoy; Those men and women who are privy to sensitive material are routinely monitored, (military personnel are also denied trial by jury), denied freedom of speech, and other rights guarunteed under the bill of rights.

2. So, since you preach your love of consistency, now that I've shown that Clinton didn't break the law, where else will you go?

3. That to protect us, he had to ignore the Constitution and the law? But he had a secret FISA court, (some say unconstitutional court) that he could go to retroactively for 72 hours, so he could have used that to defend us, right? Well he did, but they kept turning him down, or amending his warrants, so he stopped using the court...

LEADING to the question, "Why was a secret court turning down Bush's requests for wiretaps?"

No evidence, evidence obtained through illegal acts (torture), no probable cause, or was he simply spying on domestic "enemies" of the GOP, like Democrats; the way Nixon did.

Lets recap Bush's reign

+ One stolen election.
+ China knocks down our spy plane, Geo W apologizes.
+ Wasn't defending the Homeland, 3000 Americans killed in worst security lapse in US history.
+ Failed to react quickly enough, perpetrators still on the loose.
+ Politicized National defense, ran ugliest reelection campaign ever.
+ Rejected 500 years of international law, invaded Iraq illegally.
+ Failed to listen to military experts, had no plans in place to secure Iraq. Led to chaos, and present insurgency.
+ Osama Bin Laden is now forgotten, but I doubt he has forgotten us.
+ Economy is in the crapper, medain incomes are down over 5 years, market indexes are down over 5 years, and Americans are running out of home equity to keep refinancing debts.

Truth Monger:

Bush is a corporate governing fascist who broke the law through three (3) types of FRAUD, in fact, to get appointed President. Now, Bush certainly could care less what laws he breaks.

Through control of both houses of Congress, it is Bush and his administration's intention to make legal all corporate corruption and all Bush and his administration's corruption of the law so all crooney corporate corruption as well as all of Bush's corruption will go unpunished. Bush and his croonies choose to treat corporate corruption like teen age juveniles; while holding to the strict letter of the law for the average Joe; so presenting his illegitimate fraudulent self as the true President of the United States; when, with the exception of fraud, Bush actually lost both elections. Don't you ever watch television? The story has been on television.

You will never hear the political truth in reference to the average person listening to the propaganda of the autocratic, Corporate Media Channels that represent the new Bush aristocracy. But the democratic 9400 channels on DISH Satellite seek to get the unvarnished truth to the average person. Thank God for DISH-TV, especially FSTV (FREE SPEECH Television) and LINK TV.

By the way, Joe Lieberman is not a real Democrat. Joe Lieberman is a Right-Wing RED Republican trying to pass himself off as a BLUE Democrat to the unsuspecting.

Also, from the Democratic LEFT-Wing, all Right-Wing "new class" congressional members of the Right-Wing Democratic Leadership Council, the DLC, have chosen the "Right-Wing Aristocratic Autocrat color PURPLE" as their representative color.

LEFT-Wing members of Congress who are of the Right-Wing DLC are not true BLUE to the "majority of the United States'people"; but to feather their own nests the DLC has chosen to mix "Autocratic REPUBLICAN Conservative FAR RIGHT RED" into the "LEFT-Wing Democratic Conservative Democrat BLUE", dump the "greater majority population", and for some unknown reason find the "Autocratic REPUBLICAN Conservative FAR RIGHT RED" to no longer be dangersous; but appear to have accepted that the "Autocratic REPUBLICAN Conservative FAR RIGHT RED" will allow the DLC LEFT-Wing "new class" to be "Autocratic Aristocracy PURPLE". When pigs fly. For LEFT-Wing BLUE this is a day dream.

LEFT-Wing BLUE beware, the "Autocratic Conservative Republican FAR RIGHT RED" are an elite dangerous bunch and if anyone is "Aristocratic PURPLE" it will be the RED elite, not any Democratic Conservative "LEFT-Wing" BLUE "wanta be aristocrats".

All BLUE who think they are PURPLE, need to come back to the LEFT and represent the greater majority of the people as you are suppose to do. There is no safety for a Lefty on the RIGHT once you are dangling, but there is safety in numbers and the BLUE LEFT needs the safety of the greater majority.

DLC CONTROL OF DIALOG

We the people need FREE and OPEN dialog on the DNC Democratic Party Blog.

At present there is directed dialog that suppresses FREE and OPEN dialog from the 70% MAJORITY POPULATION of the Working and Poor Class and Culture; this must change.

**CULTURE OF CORRUPTION SUPPORTED BY FEDERALIST SOCIETY**

The sleeping 70% MAJORITY of Working and Poor Class and Culture must wake up and take their rightful place in the leadership of the United States and reverse the Federalist Society Agenda in support of the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS "Culture of Corruption".

REVOLUTIONARY AGENDA

The Working and Poor Class and Culture do not at present have a "REVOLUTIONARY AGENDA".

The CONSERVATIVE RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN EXTREMISTS have a "REVOLUTIONARY AGENDA", and through their many and varied organizations are implementing their RIGHT-WING EXTREME "REVOLUTIONARY AGENDA" with regard to "REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE" of the "nature and scope" of the government of the United States.

The Working and Poor Class cannot be effective by cooperating with the RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN "REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT" that is dedicated to their "suppression and destruction" as a "class and culture".

The Working and Poor Class must develop their own "REVOLUTIONARY AGENDA" in support of the Working and Poor Class and Culture if the Working and Poor Class expects to be politically successful in obtaining POLITICAL REPRESENTATION by the Democratic Party and POLITICAL REPRESENTATION within the government of the United States.

SWING VOTERS

Why should the 70% MAJORITY of the Working and Poor Class have to settle for being "swing voters" that support either the agenda of the Professional Class or the Elite Capitalist Class?

Why shouldn't the 20% MINORITY of the Professional Class be "swing voters" that support the 70% MAJORITY of the Working and Poor Class?

The Working and Poor Class are the 70% MAJORITY GRASS ROOTS BASE of the Democratic Party and can take over and control the Democratic Party when they choose to do so.

The time is NOW to support the 70% MAJORITY of the Working and Poor Class to make the Democratic Party representative of the Working and Poor Class and Culture; and let the 20% MINORITY of the Professional Class have their turn being "swing voters".

Instead of investing tax payer money and attention to the investigation of sources responsible for making the American public aware of unwarranted surveillance, we should be investing our monies and attention on an investigation into its very legality, and of the future of internal spying on the American people. This is a time when the Constitution's future seems precarious at best, and the fate of our democracy hangs in the balance. Simply put, it is our government's responsibility to represent the people. Only with a free press and the consent of public opinion can a democracy flourish and exist. Without these factors, a democracy cannot continue to exist, and becomes a form of non-democratic government. What will our future entail? What form of government will we choose for ourselves, and for our children?

I hope the Democratic Party will do all that it can to thwart the oppressive fate of the Bush legacy.

Lister - Answer to your 12/30 11:59 Post:

Tell me about Corporate Communism and the transfer of wealth from the many to the few. Do you deny that the Conservative RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN EXTREMISTS of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION are involved in a corrupt scheme to transfer the wealth of the many into both their pockets and their cronies pockets, at the expense of the communal interests of the 70% MAJORITY of the Working and Poor Class?

Welcome to earth Lister, the planet I'm from. I work in the mortgage industry (and formerly in construction sales) and lets examine some facts***

I apologize to everyone for all the links that go to US Census Bureau and Fed Reserve stats, giving facts whereas Lister spouts numbers without any proof? The oldest right wing trick, lying and betting that Americans can't or won't read. I further apologize for arguing economics because to most people, it is real boring.

Yo, Nei:
The economy is in the crapper? Um, are you on this planet? I work in finance (specifically fixed income securities) and I can tell you that this economy is simply amazing. Here are some facts:

The 3.5% to 4% rate of growth in 2005 has been especially remarkable given eight Federal Reserve Board interest rate hikes,

*** Can Americans spend their increased GDP on groceries, housing or gas? No, but considering median income is down $1500 since Clinton left, and the number of jobs are finally back above where they were in 2000 is startingly pathetic.

*** working in the bond markets do you have any insights into the inverted yeild curve? Or an explanantion as to why a poor, emerging market, Communist China is buying US mortgages, and T-bills instead of improving their own country, with stringer currency, or higher wages, or investing in equipment?

oil prices as high as $70 a barrel, and one of the most devastating natural disasters in American history.

*** oil prices, gold prices, lumber, milk, all at or near ecord highs, and yet no inflation? There is a true x-mas miracle.

Yes, fourth quarter GDP may come in softer thanks to limping auto sales, but the entrepreneurial U.S. economy will still have grown at about twice the pace of Old Europe in 2005. As economist Michael Darda of MKM Partners, puts it: "This is the most derided and ridiculed growth cycle in post-World War II history, even though by many measures, including productivity and corporate profits, it's one of the most impressive."

*** Once again, US citizens can't spend corporate profits (well, Cheney, Kenny boy Lay, Qwest/qworst's Naccio, and the rest of the present gilded age robber barons can dip into the company accounts) but in my old econ and business classes wages were tied to producitivity, and yet after 3 years of "the most impressive"? post WWII growth cycles wages are not growing, foreclosures are at record highs, more Americans are running out of places to borrow from to finance their lifestyle.

***According to the US Census numbers, median wealth as of 2000, http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p70-88.pdf , wealth was at $55k in 2000, up from $43.5k in 1993 (at the start of Clinton, 1984's wealth was $50k), or by the FedRed numbers, http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/oss/oss2/2001/bull0103.pdf median wealth is $86k. So I've no idea where you find the $100k number, must be a 2004-2005 estimate? But what happens as mortgage rates continue to rise, and housing prices on the Coasts, and NV and AZ stagnate or fall? Your $100k (which you don't back up) will go -poof-.

And to compare Geo W to Clinton economics, ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb2.txt, wages in Clinton's first term rose 9%, while adding 2.7 million jobs per year for 8 years (and balancing the budget), and Bush's first term wages rose 7% while unemployment rose 1.5%, and the nation lost jobs - the first US president to ever get re-elected having presided over a job-losing term.

As for who gains by people being poor Rushbo crap arguement, without people to exploit through economic terrorism and fear, who will mow yards, build houses, pave streets, serve food, and sell Rush Limbaugh illegal drugs?

I would not even consider calling Lister names (liar? pah!), but the Bureau of Labor Statistics has monthly averages this year (Nov,Dec Pending) at 122359, with a maximum of 135361 (predicted/Dec) and median of 133770 (Sep). These are NOT seasonally adjusted numbers which should be higher than the seasonally adjusted fluff.

Sorry, Lister, but your myth has been BUSTED!!!

Yeah, on those jobs numbers, I believe they also aren't counting the job losses in New Orleans or the Gulf Coast, but BLS is counting new jobs created since Katrina, so they are fluffing their numbers

I believe that the reason King George hasn't caught Osama Bin Ladin is that he doesn't want to!
It's common knowledge that the Bush Family has very close ties with the Saudi Royal Bin Ladin Family.
Perhaps they don't want him caught.
Although Osama may be the family black sheep, blood is thicker than water.
It was much more convenient to implicate Sadam, who was quite frankly a sitting duck(and also sitting on a bunch of oil), and use that as an excuse to turn the focus away from Osama.
Aside from that, King George uses the same " It's a matter of National Security " excuse every time he lies or breaks the law.
I'm also sure he's been spying on every "liberal" reporter and gobbs of "Blue" politicians and citizens all in the name of "National Security".
But all good dictators use the same tactics to keep their people under control.
I think Sen. J-Rock was probably scared to death thinking he could be labled as some sort of traitor if he let people know of the "King of Reds" spying plan on U.S citizens.
Perhaps he should have talked to some other Dem. leaders for their opinion and perhaps confronted the King and Viceroy with a show of force.
Sort of reminds me of the recent ESPN movie about the "Honor Code" at West Point being tarnished and the brave cadet that has to make the tough choice about doing the right thing in the face of adversity.
Oh well, the main thing is that the truth is out(just like all the others) and hopefully King George will get impeached along with the Viceroy.
P.S.
I can't help but notice that King George and the Viceroy almost always wear red neck ties. Just wondering if anyone else noticed.

It is clear George Bush does have a plan for Osama Bin Laden,let him die of old age. Success is not measured by how big you mouth is but what you have accomplished.