Now if the rest of the non Congressional Black Caucus Washington Dems would follow Howard's lead and call these lying neo Nazi pseudo christian thugs out, November 7 will be a doubleplusgood day for the Democratic Party and our country.

Always do your research first and then speak bluntly. If we want to win votes, we must be sure of what we are saying.

The Republicans are now known as the -- Make all kinds of false accusations, screw up whatever you take on, and then say "opps" after they fail -- party.

It's good that we are being held to a higher standard than the Republicans by the media and voters. It will help us in the long-term win their confidence and maybe even get some to cross over from the darkside who have become disgusted with all this deceit, corruption, and incompetence.

Good job, Dr. Dean. Don't shoot till you can see the whites of their eyes. Then unload with everthing you've got.

Wasn't Wolf Blitzer's little sigh at the end of the interview special? That's telling them Dr. Dean. This is a Republican scandal plain and simple.

Yeah, the Republicans are in huge trouble. They are going to look absolutly foolish. Voters are not going to look favorably on this.

Thank you, Governor Dean, for being so well informed and for doing the research necessary to put the lie to misinformation and inuendo. It is always reassuring to hear you speak with the strength of conviction and honesty.

"Good journalists", upon examining the evidence, would clarify to the public the role that they have played, perhaps by mistake, in contributing to false information. Blitzer's silence is not enough.

Wolf Blitzer is an administration toadie. He almost moved his eyelids once - when Governor Dean made the statement that it remained "to be seen whether the Iraqis would be better off without Saddam."

Well, it's over two years since then, over thirty thousand Iraqis are dead, there is no guarantee whatsoever that a government of any kind will successfully form in that country and hold for more than a few years, much less whether it will be a secular democracy, the country is now awash with terrorists, families still can't walk the streets at night (unless you hop on the Fox News joy bus and take a tour through the remotest regions of Iraq...kind of like taking a hike in northern Michigan and saying "air pollution? In the United States? You're kidding!"), power outages are routine, hospital services wanting, food shortages, etc. etc. etc. Yeah, the Iraqis are better off now, aren't they, Wolfie?

What a tool.

YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT CNN

Wolf (Leslie) Blitzer and Ken Mehlman just rehashed this lie.

Blitzer was pretty honest.

Mehlman just said "I look at this differently."

NO LIE!

LOL

Thank God for Howard Dean!

I think somebody waked up the CNN Ombudsman ... LOL

Posted by IndependentMinded on January 9, 2006 at 05:40 PM

NO Democrat took one cent from Jack (Abram)off. PERIOD. The money "given back" (actually given to Charities) was Indian Tribe donations. My guess is that the Dems did't even want the appearance of the Pug stench, so divested all funds from anyone who even saw a picture of Jack.

This is of course foolish, because the Pube smear machine is trying desparately to link Dems with Their graft and corruption, and have a ready "Talking Point" like "Well then, Why are the Dems giving money back?"

The Federal Election Commission shows that NO Dem took Jacks money.

Rather had proof.W was on a alcohol and cocaine bender for 2 years. Where the Shit Boat Liars for Boooozh "Proof"?

BBIAB

Hey Indy,

With so-called Dems like you, Who needs trolls?

Your views are just as distorted as their's !

What Dan Rather reported, WAS THE TRUTH. Did you watch the segment where the Secretary said, YES that was exactly what her boss said and did?

The only Problem lied in the fact that Rather got forged papers about the TRUTH, and wasn't it just too coincidential at the exact same minute he was reporting on it, some anonymous dude on Free Republic was reporting it was forged??? hmmmmm.

I don't know what you have against Dan Rather, but he did what he thought was accurate and correct. I'll take a Dan Rather over a Hume, O'Reilly, Hannity, anyday! They are KNOWN liars.

And the money that Dems got from CLIENTS of Abramoff, are being given back to show good faith! If people are stupid enough to believe they are FROM Abramoff, well what are you going to do? These are the same idiots that went in and pulled the lever for Bush! I heard there was one born every minute, but I didn't know they would all come out to vote in 2004!

"No Democrat took one penny from Abramoff, PERIOD."

Sorry, but you would be WRONG.

Donations by Abramoff, By Name

Some people just don't know the difference between indian tribes and Jack Abramoff.

Once again.........................

That chart included indian tribes.

"What Dan Rather reported, WAS THE TRUTH. Did you watch the segment where the Secretary said, YES that was exactly what her boss said and did?"

This is why Democrats lost in 2004 - trying to win an election with forged documents.

What utter bullshit. You folks need to get a program that the American people want to hear about and run on it. And as it looks now, that program is defeat in Iraq and impeachment if Dems win the House.

That is a program for DEFEAT.

I am an independent, not a Republican. But you folks are sure pushing more of us to vote for your opponents than to vote for you.

"Once again.........................

That chart included indian tribes"

Uh, who do you think Abramoff was representing? PACs and other groups give money because their lobbyists tell them to.

Abramoff told his clients to give money to Dems and Republicans because he felt they would represent his clients' interests.

Heck, if you folks don't know about lobbying and how it is done in DC, far be it for me to try to get you to see the truth.

"And you SPIT on us 28 percent, because we're not so far to the left so as not to see the lies on our side. When I wonder why we keep losing elections, I come here and get my answer."

I am in the middle, too. I vote Democrat in some elections, Republican in others. I vote the candidate, not the party.

But until the Democrats rid themselves of the Michael Moore/Cindy Sheehan/Howard Dean wing of the party which calls names and makes outrageous statements which tick off a majority of the American people, I am being pushed to the Republicans more and more.

Maybe you folks can ban me, or call me names, or do what you like. But you can avoid the truth for so long. And the truth is that that wing of the party has bought you no White House and no control in DC. Which is why you have John Roberts and Samuel Alito.

Was the secretary lying?

Was G.H.W.'s friend lying?

See, this is the problem. The regressive media focuses on the documents so you will forget about the eye witnesses- the people who were there.

I just saw at my left wing that it is now a federal crime to anonymously "annoy" someone on the internet. I just cannot believe this. I don't post on these blogs to annoy anyone. I come here to maintain a SHRED of my sanity. I am so surprised I don't have an email from Ted Kennedy. I'm sure I will get one tomorrow. All I can say is
GOD HELP US ALL!!! It is 1984.

"I just saw at my left wing that it is now a federal crime to anonymously "annoy" someone on the internet."

Link?

Are the indian tribes on trial? Were they the ones bribing legislators?

Heard this clip on the Ed Schultz Show today. Great comeback from Governor Dean!

But it must not stop here. The Bush Team KNOWS they need not be concerned with establishing the verity of theor statements, they just have to keep the lie alive. As the lie about Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden being allies has proved, Bush Menace success relies on the lie kept alive; huge numbers of Americans still believe that lie!

Don't lean back to relax on this one, or it will be turned into another long-lived lie.

I think it is important to also say that it is the behavior that is unacceptable to Congress and the Nation. It doesn't matter which political party's members break rules and laws. It is behavior that must be ended.

"Are the indian tribes on trial? Were they the ones bribing legislators?"

Everyone connected with Abramoff is being investigated by DoJ.

And if Indian tribes bribed any legislator, they will be indicted, too.

"As the lie about Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden being allies has proved"

I had a friend of mine say that this happened.

Can you link me to where this was said? I for one have looked, and cannot find it.

Oh, I see: WISHFUL THINKING

But presenting computer-generated memos as "proof" and defying others to prove they are forgeries, somehow I always thought journalists were supposed to have the proof they were real before they go with a story.

Posted by IndependentMinded on January 9, 2006 at 06:34 PM

Odd thing, though, I used that same typewriter in High School in 1969. So YOUR Republican "Talking Point" is now, and HAS BEEN PROVEN TO ALWAYS HA'VE BEEN A LIE.

The FACT is that "Word" looks the same because "Word" was BASED ON THE TYPE FONT WHICH WAS COPYWRITED SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE BILL GATES EVEN HAD PUBES!!! (In fact, it was invented in the 1940's)

Nice "try" on that "I'm a Dem...." stuff.

YOU use EVERY "Talking Point" that the Pubes have EVER put out.

If YOU are truly a Dem, YOU would RESEARCH something before you come on this site and "try" to prove a "(Talking)...POINT".

"Nice "try" on that "I'm a Dem...." stuff.

YOU use EVERY "Talking Point" that the Pubes have EVER put out."

Thanks for proving our point.

Contempt for someone instead of bring them to your side is not what I would call a winning strategy.

Samuel Alito a white collar criminal on the fastest track!

Alito revealed his true nature when he dismissed concerns over the statements he made when he was applying for a position in the Reagan Administration. The type of lie he claims he made then was an intent to mislead/defraud in order to get hired. (The Duplicity: Claim one thing, be another.) Alito's position was "everydody does it". Well, maybe everybody in the Bush Cabal, Sammy-Boy or what ever Bush's nickname for you is. Alito did the same thing again when he lied that he would recuse himself from overseeing court cases where he had a conflict-of-interest, and then didn't recuse himself. (The Duplicity: Promise one thing, do another.) It is a pattern with him. How many times will he being doing his duplicity thing during the current hearings? This is the pattern of duplicity unacceptable in government of, by and for the people.

And it certainly is NOT dignified behavior. (And neither is torturing fellow human beings, Dubya!) Unless you are looking at it from the point-of-view of the Bush Cabal Code of Thieves!!!

And if you are, then you'll understand why Alito and Usurper Bush can come off as seeming honest to so many people. They are being honest on a Cabal Level, honest to the Code of the Lie for the Purpose of the Cabal: "My Lie for the Cabal's Purpose is my Truth until my Real Truth can be revealed through manifestation." I betcha these criminals could pass a lie detector test because of this inside-out/backwards-is-forwards/up-is-down darkside metaphysical mindset.

The Bush Cabal runs by some of the same powerful mumbo-jumbo the Nazi Cult used.

Wake-up, folks.

"Sorry, we'll never know either story for sure one way or another. And both sides wasted far too much campaign time and band-width on issues that could not be proven."

I agree. What a waste of time that was.

The military members who are friends of mine say that Kerry's military career meant as much as Dole's did in 1996: zilch. They voted for the man's programs and statements, not what he did in some far off land years ago.

"Samuel Alito a white collar criminal on the fastest track!"

Link to some indictment, or a forthcoming indictment?

"The Bush Cabal runs by some of the same powerful mumbo-jumbo the Nazi Cult used."

Maybe you can understand why my area, once run by Democrats, is leaning more and Republican. It is where Jews live. And they are disgusted - DISGUSTED - from Democrats calling people "Nazis."

It is shit like this that is killing the Democratic Party with people who vote in lockstep.

Heads Up, Please!

Today Ahnold Schwarzenegger said, "I nevah play by Dah Rools!"

Since Ahnold is taking his cues from the Bush Family (especially Jeb), this is quite a reflection on his backers as well as him.

Someone said that Samuel Alito was "a white collar criminal."

I would once again like to ask for a link to an indictment, or a link to a forthcoming indictment.

It is the same as saying that Mark Warner is a white collar criminal, with no proof whatsoever.

"Today Ahnold Schwarzenegger said..."

And we lost a state run by Democrats to a Republican actor.

Is that shameful? Aren't you ashamed?

How about working for a program to counter him, instead of mocking his accent? How well do you think that goes down with minorities or those not born here?

I am really getting sick and tired of "so Called"
Independents who claim that Democrats are pushing them to vote for Republicans. If you can with a clear conscience vote for such a corrupt party you were never independents and not worth our time to begin with.

True independents prides him/herself on picking the best candidate. Most of these so called indy bloggers are nothing more than republicans who come here to stir up trouble in hopes that someone who is new to politics and this blog can be persuaded to think that both parties are corrupt.

Guess what? The American people aren't buying what your selling. And for the last time Michael Moore isn't a Democrat. That reference is a dead give away to your true party affiliation.

My self and every Democrat who post to blog is proud to be a democrat. Proud to Liberal. You can go with the lastest trend of being in the middle but as for me I'm with the democratic wing of the Democratic party!!!

Posted by Amasa_Aranjo on January 9, 2006 at 06:59 PM

Nice use of the MuleMan and Snotty "TALKING POINT".

Michael Moore is an INDEPENDENT GREEN.

Nice try though. A few years late, but nobody expects Rush or O'Lieley to actually READ anything. (Unless it comes from Rove's FAX Machine).

"I am really getting sick and tired of "so Called" Independents who claim that Democrats are pushing them to vote for Republicans. If you can with a clear conscience vote for such a corrupt party you were never independents and not worth our time to begin with."

So, now I am a "so-called" independent.

Sorry, but my vote counts as much as yours does.

And when a party leader makes ridiculous statements, and party regulars are seen with the likes of Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan, I vote against that.

And if that ticks you off, so much the better. Because I have Republicans knocking on my door offering me a program, and not one Democrat comes around telling me what they will do if they get back in power in DC.

However, you are free to continue to remain in the minority if you so wish. But don't say you weren't warned.

"Michael Moore is an INDEPENDENT GREEN."

Excuse me - which party's convention did he attend in 2004 as a guest of the party?

Was it the Republicans in NYC, or the Democrats in Boston?

Want to give me a guess?

So far, in one hour, I have been called names, derided, had none of my questions answered, and have heard people called "Nazis."

If you think this helps you, you people are in worse shape then even I thought.

Have a good evening.

Just to let you know: Michael Moore did go to the republican convention.

Posted by Amasa_Aranjo on January 9, 2006 at 06:59 PM

Posted by Amasa_Aranjo on January 9, 2006 at 07:03 PM

I had a friend who saw Joe Walsh come out of a poster and say "Hi!" and give the Peace sign and go back into the poster. .....

Then the LSD wore off.

Bush thinks GOD talks to him.

My friend went to Re-Hab. Bush decidd that God wants him to end the World.

Big difference. My friend is now a Computer Geek 9after being a "Born Again" mindless drone for 3 years.

They both traded 1 drug for another.

Unfortunately, Bush thinks HE'S his "Own" "Higher Power" and actually has the Power to do what he wants.

The man is insane. He has been a failure at EVERYTHING he has ever been given, and now his personal suicide will entail the end of the World.

(Just so he can say to God, "See, everybody does it".

Lock this lunatic up and pump meds into him, he's DANGEROUS.

Chow time. I'd better stock up, although according to that fat pill popper Flush they eat "Gourmet" chicken dinners at Gitmo.

(As if that fatass ever missed a meal).

BBIAB

GREAT INTERVIEW. What a way to present facts.

Give 'em hell Howard!

Michael Moore used the academy award ceremony to tell anyone who was watching that the administration was misleading the country into war and misrepresenting the facts.

For that he was called a Saddam lover, terrorist and un-American.

It seems that this president and the party he leads was so wrong that they made Michael Moore right.

>

...and Zell Miller is a Republican. After all, which party's convention did he appear at in 2004? Was it the Democrats or the Republicans? Want to give us a guess? ;)

Yes Michael Moore attended the Convention in Boston as a College Dem I was able to say hi but Ronald Regan Jr. attended also and addressed the Convention does make him a Democrat?

No you voting for a republican doesn't make me angry. Instead I feel sad for You. Sad that you think sticking it to liberals and showing your political street cred is more important than truly voting your conscience.

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Yes Michael Moore attended the Convention in Boston as a College Dem I was able to say hi but Ronald Regan Jr. attended also and addressed the Convention does make him a Democrat?

No you voting for a republican doesn't make me angry. Instead I feel sad for You. Sad that you think sticking it to liberals and showing your political street cred is more important than truly voting your conscience.

Isn't it interesting that all of these Christians are breaking the law?

This is exactly what all Democrats need to do if we're to have any chance at regaining control and getting these War hawks out of power. Not only did he shut Wolf Blitzer up while he was trying to implicate the Democrats but he did so with authority. Maybe Howard should start holding classes for the other soft-spoken, walk on egg-shell dems who seem scared of a fight. Unless we take the right wing to task and call them to the carpet, their message will be the one to get out from their bully pulpits. Finally, some "cojones". I'm proud of you Howard.

Posted by Amasa_Aranjo on January 9, 2006 at 07:22 PM

Uh,, BOTH Conventions. He was hired by USA TODAY as a reporter. You know, the same USA TODAY that fired Man Cunthair after "her" first article.

Dr. Dean did it right. Just keep on the LIAR point.
Every day, EVERY LIE. It will be a 24 / 7 assault that the Nazi Party (so what? Call a Spade a Spade) has NEVER been used to.

Repeat it over and over. LIAR, LIE, LYING, LIES, !!!!

When the Pussy Pubes get their lap dogs and mouthpieces to go on MSM and say Dems are being mean, tell Timmy LIAR PLAME FIGURE. Tell Tweety, LIAR ABRAMOFF FIGURE!, (O'Lieley...just piss on him).

Posted by Amasa_Aranjo on January 9, 2006 at 07:22 PM

Outside of the FACT that "My Left Wing" was cited, (and I know you can run a 'puter) why don't YOU do YOUR own research"

Create an e-annoyance, go to jail

I didn't even go to MLW, but I have seen dozens of articles detailing the new law. In PRINT, and LOCAL TV. Let me try the MLW site, I've never been there.

MY LEFT WING SITE

Give 'em hell Howard!

Colbert Report just listed Democrats like Reid, Clinton, Dorgan, etc as Abramoff beneficiaries.

DNC, DSCCC, DCCC should stop this now and send formal complaints to Comedy Central and other media to stop this misinformation!

Dean is doing exactly what he should do, which is to clearly state that this party is ready to say "We don't stink, but the Republicans smell like dukey and the public is ready to disinfect Washington!". Of course this is not to say we are perfect, but we have to be the voice of change, b/c we need change and the party in power doesn't want to mess up their mob scene.

Though Arbrimoff is going to destroy far more repubs than dems, and other issues unrelated to Abramoff like Randy the Duke Cunningham ($2.5 mill in bribes) and Tom Delay (Texas lawsuit) will further hurt Repubs, we dems can only hope to make as much political gain as earned by our behavior. But as citizens of a supposed democracy driven by the people, both democrats indepts and repubs have to admit that it hurts to see our gov system overwhelmingly driven by the influence of big corporations (from Casinos to Drug companies).

Dean may not be entirely correct in claiming our perfect record, but he needs to tell the public that he will not let corruption be a democratic party virtue. If we have a stinker in our party, they will pay dealy. The Republicans can clean house if they choose, but right now they don't seem to be doing much other than saying "dems aren't perfect".

Senate voting record on the Russ Feingold and John McCain campaign $ reform bill. Note that ~80% of the Nays are republicans, including Repub hopefuls like: ChucK Hagel, John Warner and Bill Frist. (Dems that voted nay: John Breaux (LA) retired, now Health Care Lobbyist; Ernst Hollings (SC); Ben Nelson (NE))

http://www.mentata.com/ds/retrieve/congress/vote/VC107S22

The democratic party WILL NOT SOAR to the height of its potential until Dean turns the conversation AWAY from the republicans and towards the human values our party stands for. He should NEVER speak ill of the republicans again. Do NOT swim in their cess pool. There are plenty of people who will do that job for him. He is our voice and his tone and words convey our principles. Compassion. Humanity. Service. STAY ON MESSAGE!

Steve Bonoff
Minneapolis

Last week, Sen. Clinton's office announced that she would be donating $2,000 of her Abramoff jackpot to charity. The Republican National Committee says she took a total of $12,900 in Abramoff-linked cash.
Howard DEan could have gotten a job in the Hussein regime, "There are no enemy soldiers in Iraq." Your own party members have admitted to accepting money form Abramoff. Some even offered to return SOME of it. How are you able with a straight face say "This is a Republican finance scandal. There is no evidence that Jack Abramoff ever gave any Democrat any money. And we've looked through all of those FEC reports to make sure that's true."
I feel very sorry for you if you really believe what you say.

Steve,
We Dems tried the high road and what did it get us? A perception of being weak because we refused to respond to the BS and thought the American people would have the intelligence to see through the bull. Bottom line, the non Congressional Black Caucus Dems should've been calling these liars out DECADES ago.

Our silence in the face of GOP smears has brought us minorty party status, an illegitimate presidency that has brought shame and dishonor to our country, and a quagmire of a war.

You cannot turn the other cheek when the other party is trashing you.

If you're gonna vote for Repugs because the Dems defend themselves from GOP smears, then you NEVER were on the side of working class Americans to begin with.

I see y'all been watching FOX News again.

Indian tribes DOES NOT equate to being in Jack Abramoff's presence and getting cash from him.

Repeat after me:

Jack Abramoff ONLY gave money to Republicans

Once again:

People don't seem to know the difference between indian tribes and Jack Abramoff.

SB

Dean is framing the debate. It is actually his job to attack while the others (the elected ones) put forth a positive agenda. Let him do his job!

I've honestly only looked into this a little, but... It seems to me that lobbying exists on both sides of the aisle, right? If Abramoff is an important lobbyist because he has deep republican connections, he couldn't possibly be caught dead contributing any money to dems. This is not to say he doesn't want to influence them for the sake of his business (lobbying). You need people democrats can trust to do the contributing to(and hopefully influencing of) democrats (for example, one of the people Abramoff oversaw at Greenberg Traurig, Edward P. Ayoob, was a veteran legislative aide to Harry Reid). Or, you could suggest to your clients who they need to give their money to in order to gain influence without having your highly republican name attatched to it, hence the donations directly from tribes. The notion that Abramoff's name would be on any democratic donations was unlikely from the start, but that does not mean democrats who benefited from democratic workers he oversaw or the tribes he represented should be utterly free from concerned questioning about the subject (especially from those of us being represented by them). I just want to be thorough and ultimately confident that the people I vote to represent me (Patty Murray) are actually representing me.

Now, its important to note at this point that I have absolutely no reason to believe that the money given to democrats via democrats working under abramoff or directly from those tribes he represented means anything sinister whatsoever. Representatives for Reid, Daschle, and Murray for instance have all stated that it is clearly their dedication to indian affairs which prompted the donations. Unfortunately, the reason this whole thing matters at all is the concern that it was the donations which prompted their dedication to indian affairs (which, in all fairness, is what everyone suspects of the republicans that may be implicated).

Also, as this is the first time I've ever posted on here, I'd like to mention that the extreme, inappropriate name calling is not pushing me closer to the Republicans (they have plenty of that over there too), but it has certainly made me ashamed. I don't identify officially with either party (until forced on the Washington primary vote, where I pick whichever party gives me the most opportunity to have an actual influence), but i am certainly ashamed of both extremes when they stoop to such personally hurtful and empty gestures. I'm sure you can be very good and generous people at times, but it is sad to see those lapses of judgement made so public.

One last thing about the people on here who may be a little too drunk on the "blue kool-aid" at times... When you get to the point of declaring that something on Stephen Colbert's show (blown past the screen so fast you could barely read) should be officially denounced, you must be made aware that you have fallen over the edge of reason...

thanks for tolerating my point of veiw, and I hope someone can respond in a constructive way. I look forward to real evidence that my skepticism about those democrats potentially implicated is due solely to my ignorance.