Oh. My. God.

Think about it. Rounding up 11 million people for transport out of the country???? Doesn't that sound like something that happened in Germany?

I think immigration should be safe and legal. And I do agree that we can not as a country continue to absorb millions and millions of immigrants from Mexico, because Vincente Fox is not taking care of the problems in his own country.

I heard a conversation on TV the other day, where the US has already cut the quotas of immigrants WAY back !

I have a new neighbor on our street. She came from Africa. Her husband and 2 kids have been going thru the red tape and procedure to come here for YEARS.

in the meantime, she owns a house, 2 cars, works overtime in her nursing job all the time. Yet INS will not approve the move of her family here!

The wealthy in this country truly want to control everything, including who else can move here.

I believe we need to rubber stamp Tancredo too. Perhaps Rep. Meek can do the honors.

Second, and certainly not coincidentally, Monday night's 12-6, bipartisan vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee sending a comprehensive, compassionate and, yes, moral plan for immigration policy reform to the Senate floor. Makes you proud to be, well, an American.

The proposed legislation offers a hand to the nation's 12 million illegal immigrants and the possibility of granting them citizenship without forfeiting national security. It creates a guest worker program, includes additional visas for agricultural workers and nurses, and protects from prosecution churches and other humanitarian groups providing food and shelter to illegals. But it also doubles the size of the Border Patrol and calls for the creation of a "virtual" wall of high tech cameras, sensors and unmanned drones to patrol the boundary between the United States and Mexico.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/03/con06113.html

I think we all know who is "full" of it. The Republicans have no trouble acting tough and looking stupid.

Let these rich geezers spin and sputter. We all know the Republicans aren't going to do anything to solve this problem or any other facing this nation.

Instead, they'll pass a bill that has no funding or true enforcement provisions and give it some stupid sounding name like "Victory for Zero Unemployment" which translates to "Be our Guests and Here's a Mop....Don't ask for a Living Wage, Benefits, or Civil Rights" -- why should illegals be treated any differently from other American workers who live under the yoke of underemployment and outsourcing?

We all work (legal and illegal) only to pay for the upkeep of the company store -- Republican special interests.

Posted by PamB on March 28, 2006 at 05:18 PM

Pam, it's a great bill. It addresses the problem and offers a realistic and fair solution.

But unfortunately, it doesn't have a chance of being approved by the Republican-controlled House or Senate. I'm surprised the committee approved it...I guess there were a lot of Republican incumbents present who wanted to cover all their bases, while knowing the bill will never actually come to vote.

Let's hold it in reserve till after the fall election and then re-introduce it when we get control of Congress. People will be amazed when the Democrats (who don't have an agenda and who are as bad as the Republicans) acutally fix something. It's been 12 years since this country has made any progress. Twelve years of incompetence and corruption.

Just looked at the t-shirt again. This could just as easily be addressing the nation's obesity epidemic.

I am a staunch Democrat , but this is one issue I agree with Tancredo on

Tancredo...hmmm, doesn't sound American to me!

great post Tim!

PAY ATTENTION TO BOTH LETTERS!!!

Tuesday, March 28, 2006

To: All Democrats and Republicans who wish to survive re-election

Dear Folks,

I find this debate about Illegal immigration nuts. I can hardly believe there are so many Republicans who do not want to enforce the laws already on the books. I would fully support any candidate who wishes to follow some of the following guidelines. I absolutely feel things MUST be done in this order;

1. Stop or Cut to a trickle Illegal immigration by securing our borders, but more importantly, our southern border. Militarizing it if need be!!!

2. Enforce the immigration laws we already have on the books. Raise the fines and jail times for employers who hire illegal workers over American workers. Pay American workers more money.

3. All illegal immigrants MUST register in one year or less, or run the risk of them and their families being deported. Give them paperwork, a picture ID, saying they are a legal worker if they are here and are working.

4. Reform a way to citizenship by setting down in law several enforceable policies. They should be as follows, and in this order;

A. Pay any and all back taxes by showing an employment history

B. Pay a fine of Ten Thousand Dollars even if needing to pay it in steps. Half of all that money will go to education and medical expense repayment to the American tax payer. The other half will go to building a wall along our southern border. Or, a quarter to enforcement, and the other quarter to a wall. Last, START building this wall now, even if only 20 miles a year is completed.

C. Apply for permanent citizenship if that is the intent. Learn English as a primary language, and take classes learning the history of the United States and civics lessons on the responsibility of citizenship.

D. Fully comply with all Local, State, and federal laws already on the books. Such as a drivers license, and other requirements of State laws. Give something back to the local community they live in. Such as cleaning the roadways, or painting over graffiti. Stay arrest free for the duration of this program.

E. Fully complete all these requirements within eight years of applying for this program. If not, move on your own back to Mexico or be deported. If any two parents had children under this program and have not completed the program the children if under eighteen will also be deported unless given up for adoption or turned over to a family member who will take full responsibility for the children.

5. Empower all local, State and Federal law enforcement officers to make arrests for either not complying with this program or being illegal to start with. Because to use the White House language, the nay sayers, and cut and runners, who just want to give up and say you can not deport 11 million people by saying how do you do it, you do it one person at a time.

It is that, Simple!!!

Now I realize this may not be perfect or fair to the illegal immigrants. But remember, they are called Illegal for a reason. Yes, this program would be tough. However, it is the Duty of your elected representatives to be loyal, and fair to the American citizens who sent them to office. Not to be loyal and fair to the lobbyists and special interest groups who flood their offices. If the illegal immigrants from Mexico want the same opportunities in Mexico that they may have in this country, then they need to go home and build up their own country, like the previous immigrants have to this Nation. Maybe instead of protesting for rights in a country they have no right to be in, they should go home and protest in their own country. Take the American flag to Mexico city and wave it around like they have waved the Mexican flag in OUR nation. The loyalties between two nations can not be tolerated. It is loyalty to one or the other.

Sincerely,
Mr. & Mrs. Darroll W. McKinney
420 E. McKellips Rd.
Mesa, Arizona
Dwolfaz@netzero.com

PS: Please send this to all your Congress people, friends, and family. I still think Bush MUST go, he is the embodiment of corporate greed in America on every issue.

Cant stand G bush, would not trust him to babysit my grandkids. BUT,we need all illegal aliens out now! We need to do whatever it takes to secure the border. Big business and big drugs what the border to stay the way it is now! Bring the troops back from Irag and put them on the border! Have voted democratic for forty years, but if my local candidate candidates want to give drivers lisc. to illegal aliens I will vote for another party if necessary!

From the Washington Post (The GOP Walks A Border Tightrope, 3.29.06):

And indeed, Democrats aren't doing much in the way of capitalizing. A New American Media poll of legal immigrants, released yesterday, found that while only 22 percent said the Republican Party was doing a good job on immigration, the approval rating for the Democrats wasn't all that impressive either: 38 percent. "There's anger out there" among immigrants, says Democratic pollster Sergio Bendixen, who conducted the survey. "But there's also a feeling that the Democrats are not much better."

A few Democrats on this post show why . . . I guess it isn't so easy to shed the racially elitist principles this party was founded upon. The immigration debate is not about security or jobs or the rule of law. Those are smokescreens for the real issue: language and culture.

Let's be honest, the real push for Sensenbrenner's legislation is the mantra: "Not another Mexican." For fear of salsa, or Spanish-language commercials, or competitive baseball . . . who knows. And if the demagogues can put a WMD in one Mexican's hand and the lost job of a "real American" in the other, that much stronger the sensatinalistic argument . . . right?

If you're interested in what's really at stake in this debate, follow the link; it's a bit longwinded, but worth it . . . it's a reminder about what this great country is supposed to be about.

Oh, Give me a break! Typical republicans..... I wonder what things would be like if the Native Americans said that.Ha Ha Ha !

Here's the URL again:

http://www.newspapertree.com/view_article.sstg?c=ff96aab91c0f4423&mc=5d7173b880bb4faf

Here's the URL:

http://www.newspapertree.com/view_article.sstg?c=ff96aab91c0f4423&mc=5d7173b880bb4faf

The kicker is that most of these "illegal aliens" ARE native American, from farming communities in Mexico and C. America . . . think about it.

M_Godot,

I'm going to have to agree with your argument. You said,

"The immigration debate is not about security or jobs or the rule of law. Those are smokescreens for the real issue: language and culture."

I totally agree.That's exactly what it is.All these "Kick-em Outters" need to put their money where their hypocrit mouth is.I challenge them all to not touch a single piece of fruit or vegitables; Not fresh,frozen,canned,juiced or sundried.NO FRUIT/VEGITABLE PRODUCT at all.When they go to Mc D's ,scrape the lettuce off the Big Macs because chances are, a "MEXICAN" picked that lettuce!Also,they can't have any coffee becaus ethem beans were picked by somebody too.......

They would'nt last a single day!LOL!

P.S. ....AND ,I don't want to see a single one of them alchies out there drinkin and partying on Cinco De Mayo either! Ha Ha Ha

"No Cornona for you!"

Here Dude, You're doing it wrong.Here's the link:

http://www.newspapertree.com/view_article.sstg?c=ff96aab91c0f4423&mc=5d7173b880bb4faf

Absolutly REDICULOUS. Sitting around my lunch table, I've overheard jokes about "Walls of America," but I never envisioned anyone would be so exclusivist that they would actualy think about creating one of these abominations! The phrase "America is Full" is also arrogant. Who does he think he is? Does he honestly think he'll be able to hold an office with THAT motto? That's denying everything that this country stands for! For god sakes, has the Republicans forgotten what is sketched into the Statue of Liberty? Hell, I may be only 15, but I know for sure how to tell right from wrong - and THIS is completely unexceptible.

Posted by FallenAngelOA on March 29, 2006 at 12:35 AM
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It is unexcusable.Your're right about that.Now,Go to bed!It's a school night! LOL ...;D

Lmao, Spring break!!! That's the only reason why i'm still up!

Lmao, Spring break!!! That's the only reason why i'm still up!

Posted by FallenAngelOA on March 29, 2006 at 12:48 AM

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Oh Yeah.That's right.Okay,Carry on then. LOL!

I am not some nutcase racist....far from it. I live in Texas where the illegal immigration issue affects daily life. I work in the healthcare industry and you just can't understand how much of a problem this is to tax paying Americans. Do you understand how many middle class Americans feel about this? I am very disappointed in the stand my party has taken on this issue. I feel deserted as an American who votes, pays taxes, and plays by the rules. We should focus on companies who hire people illegally and fine them enough to make them stop. I understand that life is bad in Mexico. But perhaps the demonstrators would be better served to protest the state of their country, not ours.
And the only real debate here should be our national security. We must close our borders to any and all people who try to enter illegally. What good does it do to talk about port security or airplane security if anyone and everyone can waltz across the border? How scary is that????

I know how you feel, ProudDemTex. (Not in the taxpayer way, obviously.) National Security IS at stake with our borders being widely open. A very high stake, I might add. I'm all for the idea of narrowing the borders. But don't close them. If we close them, we're denying the natural rights by Locke that we were founded on. Insted of closure, we need better security. Since we're so damn into security anyway, it won't be to hard - we've got enough money in it. :\
-FaOA

Posted by ProudDemTx on March 29, 2006 at 01:09 AM
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I know all to well where you're coming from.I'm from San Diego California where I not only saw the circumstance in question, I lived with it, worked with it, shopped with it and .......BENIFITED from it.Every day, I saw it on the Blue Line Trollies.....the entire train would be jam packed with people looking for a better life.I knew where the little Pawn Shops that sold the fake I.D.'s were....I'm talkin, the whole "enchilada" but,I'm sorry.We waited too damn long to take the position of just tossing them out.We knew about this ten,maybe twenty years ago and the same OLD FARTS in Washington today are the same OLD FARTS that were in office back then and they did absolutly NOTHING.That's why, they look like stupid fools trying to pass drastic, racist legislation like the (NON-Senesenbreener BS) They can't claim Post 911 concerns about that either because it's been SIX years since that Bull Sh*t happened.

So,it's an election year.The Republicans are feeling pressure from their "Trailor Trash Constituents" (Not you.I'm sure you're a decent person LOL)and they want to kick the illegals out.I am not ashamed of my party for passing Comprehensive, HUMANE Immigration Reform.They are working hard to be fair to ALL persons involved.Noone is saying jack about the total EXPLOITATION of these people either."Oh,who cares about them.They're Illegal" right?

In addittion to that, as far as the Heath Care goes,let me tell you a little true story:

Last Summer, I got caught out there having to go to the Hospital Emergency Room with no Health Insurance.They did a half ass job and sent me home.I am STILL paying that friggen Medical Bill off today ! Now, I could say to myself "Damn the Illegals to Hell ! If it were not for them, I would be able to afford Health Insurance and my bill wouldn't be this large today!" ...OR.....
I could say...."Damn those Republicans! Damn them to Hell! If it were not for their policies and giving in to lobbiest in the Health Care Industry, I would be able to afford Heath Insurance and I would have paid off my bill by now! Awwwwg!"

I choose to damn the Republicans.Thank you very much! ;D

I see many problems inherent in our countries lax stance on immigration. It poses several problems that every one of us will end up dealing with.

I think we should build this wall, and use deadly force to maintain its integrity. Immigration is what this country was built upon. Let people immigrate, but they need to do it legally. I would like to see all illegal aliens returned to their homeland with a GPS device implanted deep with-in their brain, so if they return they can be found and executed. One step further, we should announce that we will grant citizenship to all illegals residing if 1) they have been law abiding and 2) if they simply apply. If they fail to meet these criteria, they should be returned to their country of origin and forever banished from our country with the GSP chip planted in their brains.

First everyone always blames Bush for outsourcing, yet it was in fact Bill Clinton who signed it into existence (NAFTA). And if outsourcing is such a problem, how about the billions of dollars being earned by illegal aliens from our neighbor to the south. The problem here, is that it is going to Mexico (or the other countries but Mexico is the greatest problem) not being spent here, thus damaging our economy.

Immigration is a legal process and is available to any non-American citizen, if they are not a convicted felon as well as some other reasonable criteria. My forefathers as well as pretty much every one whose family has been here for more than a generation signed the book when they came here from where ever. I expect no less from any one wanting to live here in America. That is the law. And like any law, if you break it you should be punished.

What the immigration debate should be about -- what it's really about on the immigrants' side (as opposed to the culture issue on the neocons' side) -- is keeping families together. Who's ever tried to read the INA here? I have. It's a mess. Families who go the "legal" route have to wait for years, sometimes as much as 13 years, to join their loved ones in the United States. I'm talking kids, parents, grandparents.

Some people just don't want them here at all, but that's not good enough under the Constitution (see the 5th/14th Amdmts. and apply strict scrutiny -- Do we have a compelling state interest here? Is this law narrowly tailored to that interest? Yes on the first; No on the second.)

Posted by tonytruit on March 29, 2006 at 01:54 AM

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Please come back "after" the demons have been excersised and maybe we can talk.............

freak!

C'Mon Dems. This is the immigration message: FAMILIIES FIRST! UNITY OF THE FAMILY!

This is how you 360 the discussion on the Republicans. Make the issue about something they honk their horn about. FAMILY.

This is what they did to you with affirmative action in the mid-90's. They stole your thunder by turning the debate around, making affirmative action about DISCRIMINATION, not EQUALITY. If you have anybody worth their salt in your camp, the immigration discussion will be about FAMILY by the end of the week -- and not the jobs/security nonsense neocons trying to dump on this issue. If we're truly trying to improve the moral fibre of this country, it isn't by pulling the rug out from under millions of hard-working, law-abiding immigrants who have been here for years if not decades.

On the other hand, the jail construction/management lobby loves the House bill I'm sure.

Posted by tonytruit on March 29, 2006 at 01:54 AM

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Mr. TonyTruit, I am SHOCKED and DISGUSTED with your view on human life. What you are suggesting is terroristic and undemocratic. Do you really want to see innocent people who want a better life but don't know how to get it be killed? Are you that desperate for quick and brutal 'justice'? Concider what you say carefully. You're begining to sound very disturbing. Implanting GPS Devices into people of another country is REDICULOUS and it can be looked apon as espionage, when you look at the bigger picture. (Even though it might not appear so, you can still fight it against it as if it were.)
-FallenAngelOA
http://fallenangeloa.blogspot.com

Tonytruit seems to love the law (even the immoral ones) but he clearly doesn't know it.

Quiz then: (1) What's the March 2006 estimated wait time for a family-based 2B visa (unmarried sons and daughters over 21 years old) for a Mexican citizen? (2) What is the worldwide limit on the # of preference visas the US may distribute per year? (3) What is the limit for Mexico? (hint: 7% of the worldwide limit)

Posted by M_Godot on March 29, 2006 at 02:06 AM

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You're right.I just got carried away in the nonesense of it all.I mean, it's just so totally outreagous that....hell.I get what you're saying though and you right.It's about families.Let's show America just how much the Republicans are Biggot Hypocrites and liars.This is the perfect platform for that.

(1) Approx. 14 years. The State Dept. is currently serving 2B visa applicants who applied on or before Feb. 15, 1992.

(2) The worldwide annual limit for family-based visas is 226,000.

(3) Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference immigrants is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based preference limits, i.e., 25,620. The dependent area limit is set at 2%, or 7,320.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_2805.html

Cool, rock on FreedomOfSpeechForComprehensiveImmigrationReform (what a name!).

Cool, rock on FreedomOfSpeechForComprehensiveImmigrationReform (what a name!).

Posted by M_Godot on March 29, 2006 at 02:22 AM
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No Problemo,Amigo! LOL!

It's always Freedom of speech, but then, I add a cause that I feel very passionatly about after.This week, it's ......

ComprehensiveImmigrationReform

Then, when we finally get some legislation passed, I'll go back to FreedomOfSpeechForRussFeingold2008!

Oh, those of you who are "Kick-em out" Happy who claim that the position you take is NOT racists,
Please tell me why noone threw a fit when that little Ice Skating White Girl from CANADA got her Legal status just so she could "SKATE" for the U.S.?

Please, I'm anxious to hear your responses......

Ha ha Ha . Who knew Bigotry and Racism could be so darn funny?

BTW.......

Statement of Senator Russ Feingold
On The Immigration Reform Bill Passed
Out of the Senate Judiciary Committee
March 28, 2006

At the beginning of this debate, I said I would support meaningful, pragmatic, comprehensive immigration reform. I voted for the bill that the Senate Judiciary Committee approved today because it meets that test. It is not a perfect bill, but it recognizes that we will all be better off if Congress creates a realistic immigration system that allows foreign workers to come into the country legally to work when there is truly a need for their labor, and that ensures our government knows who is already here. We can and must improve our efforts to protect our borders, but we cannot focus exclusively on enforcement. My continued support for this legislation will depend on whether the improvements adopted today in the Judiciary Committee remain after the full Senate considers the bill.

This guy has about as much chance of having his Presidential candidacy dreams come true as the current President does of turning his Nobel Prize nomination into the real thing.
That said, it is still sad to see such closed-mindedness.

If I were an Emperor I would build a wall along the Mexican border that was 1000 feet wide by 1000 feet tall. I would decree that the wall could not come down for 1000 years under penalty of death. I would want it to be as big or bigger than the wall of China. I would divert 100% of all the available cement, stone and steel towards this project.

I would then decree that nobody with a Hispanic sounding name, except for the Tancredo family, would ever, ever be allowed to work the farms of America for 1000 years, or till the price of a pound of California strawberries, and peppers and lettuce cost $1000 per pound; or till all the white trash of America start heading out to the farms to work the land to feed their white trash children.

It all sounds ridiculous and hateful doesn’t it?

This country has lost it footing. This country was built and continues to be built on the backs of unpaid and low paid immigrants, for God’s sake: Black slaves, Chinese laborers, Irish men and women, Italians, Germans, Jews, Mexicans, Central and South Americans …. and on and on.

I think it is possible to build a wall along the Mexican border. It is only about two thousand miles long. Look at The Great Wall in China. If the Chinese were able to build a wall of four thousand miles long several hundred years ago without any modern technology, why wouldn't Americans be able to build a wall of half the length now with all the modern technology?

A wall like The Great Wall in China will not only protect Americans, it can also become a tourist attraction and provide jobs for Mexicans. They can work on the building of the wall. They can also work on making it more attractive to tourists by doing things like building Little Mexicos along the border. They can even build tunnels underneath the wall like those tunnels built by the Palestinians in Gaza. The tunnels can be a tourist attraction as well.

I think it is possible to build a wall along the Mexican border. It is only about two thousand miles long. Look at The Great Wall in China. If the Chinese were able to build a wall of four thousand miles long several hundred years ago without any modern technology, why wouldn't Americans be able to build a wall of half the length now with all the modern technology?

A wall like The Great Wall in China will not only protect Americans, it can also become a tourist attraction and provide jobs for Mexicans. They can work on the building of the wall. They can also work on making it more attractive to tourists by doing things like building Little Mexicos along the border. They can even build tunnels underneath the wall like those tunnels built by the Palestinians in Gaza. The tunnels can be a tourist attraction as well.

If there were 11 million little white ice skating girls who came in from Canada then you can compare the two. Look, I never said keep out only the Mexicans. I am saying we need to keep a tighter control on who is entering our country from anywhere in the world. If that is racist then you and I have a different definition of the word.

Walls are not going to stop TERRORISTS from entering the US.

Coming from a Canadian border town, I know there are places in VT, ME, etc, where people can walk across the border, no controls, nothing! It does not take much to drive across the bridges in NY State, etc. A check to ask where you are headed, are you American citizens, etc.

So any talk about discouraging Terrorists with walls, is ludicrous !

Economic power is the ultimate weapon. Everyone who is getting the shaft should be selective about where they spend their money and speak out about why they are doing it. We have been divided by these Republicans with nonsense and have forgotten the ultimate weapon that can't be controlled or propagandized. There simply isn't enough right wing loonies to keep anybody afloat.
African Americans once used it with great success but stopped and now they are loosing what they gained little by little. Latinos need some leadership that endorses selective spending and they will have fair treatment I guarantee.

I work in the healthcare industry and you just can't understand how much of a problem this is to tax paying Americans.

If we had a national health program, you Texans wouldn't have to shoulder all that burden.

I think a lot of us wouldn't be here today if there had been quotas when our forefathers entered this country.

Didn't we have an open border policy for almost 150 years? If you could find your way to America, they would let you in...all you had to do is stop off somewhere and register and then apply for citizenship after five years? Our unguarded borders tell the illegals that that policy is still intact....we aren't taking it seriously.

You can't send back 12 million people. A wall didn't work for the Chinese. But setting up real border security with lots of guards and surveillence equipment might stem the tide...and help with homeland security.

But the only way to really solve the problem is to arrest the employers hiring these illegals and raise the pay for those jobs currently being done by the undocumented, so Americans already living here fill them instead. If there aren't any job openings, they won't bother to keep coming.

Those with children born here are never going to leave, and it would be a disaster even trying to find foster homes for these kids when their parents were deported. Politicans who tell you otherwise are a bunch of opportunitists with big mouths that don't match the size of their brains.

What does the Domocratic Party now stand for? Excercise your freedom of speech and you are threatened, labeled racist, or called racial slurs like white trash. Freedom of discussion not welcomed here! Shame!

Do we stand for living wages, job security without outsourcing or insourcing, fair labor laws and hiring practices, non-discrimination against disabled workers (disabled workers have been shut out of our workforce, they cannot compete in a minimum wage economy), immigration policies that have a balance of immigrants from all races (Haitians not welcome here!), enforced health and safety standards (minimum wage jobs do not have human resource personnel that comply with our labor laws), trade unions (in our race to the bottom, we can learn about unions in history class),poor Americans if you were displaced by unfair competition and illegal labor practices we will remedy this by allowing your illegally taken job to remain in the hands of the lawbreaker for the next ten years (This is fair, we do not enforce fair labor laws anymore), we must become the third world to compete against the third world (except our rich class), environmental laws (sorry, not workable with mass immigration and extreme overpopulation.

We are basically now against every liberal ideal we stood for in the past 50 years, and throw in pro war for good measure!

My party has been taken over by corporate interests who want cheap labor and a million other special interest groups. They are no longer much different than the Republicans.There was a time when I was proud to be a Democrat,but lately I am having second thoughts.Illegals do nothing but push down wages. There were plenty of people working in restaurants, carpentry work,motels,etc.before they came here.If illegals were sent home there would be Americans doing those jobs again. The difference would be that employers would have to pay a living wage.When I saw them marching in our cities carrying Mexican flags and demanding rights that even Americans don't have such as health care, I was furious as were many of my other Democrat friends. Why do people think all Democrats are for illegals. This is absolute propoganda. I am ready for a good third party. The Democrats are going to lose moderate voters.

Texans aren't the only ones shouldering the burden of illegal immigrants on the healthcare industry. Every single American family with children who can't afford medical care in this country is paying the price.

I resent the earlier remark made in reference to me about trailers, white trash, racist,etc. I am an American who has supported my country and my party my entire life. I have believed in the Democratic Party and worked for it for over 20 years because I truly felt it was the party of the people, the party that cared about the working men and women of this country. To come here and have someone make remarks like that because I dared to disagree and exercise my right to freedom of speech is a disgrace. I would have expected as much from some neocons but from Democrats? This is a sad day.

If there were 11 million little white ice skating girls who came in from Canada then you can compare the two. Look, I never said keep out only the Mexicans. I am saying we need to keep a tighter control on who is entering our country from anywhere in the world. If that is racist then you and I have a different definition of the word.

Posted by ProudDemTx on March 29, 2006 at 10:34 AM
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WEAK argument! Very weak!

In order to do anything about the "illegal" alien problem, the U.S. will have to actually define what an illegal alien is. Thousands of people cross our borders every day for one purpose or another. Very little documentation is required to cross the northern or southern borders and U.S. citizens may cross into neighboring nations with similarly little documentation. Building a fence or wall would be a very expensive and ultimately a rather weak defense against illegal crossings. Documentation should be required of all employees, regardless of their origin. There are laws enough requiring this and all employers are supposed to keep a copy of all employees legal documents in some place. Employers suspected of employing anyone illegally should be subject to verification of all employees' legal work status. If documentation cannot be produced, the employer should be fined and or jailed with increasing punitive sanctions for repeat offenders.
English as a primary language would be nice, but there are many American citizens who do not speak English as a primary language, for instance in Puerto Rico, a U.S, territory. Language is not necessarily a major barrier to interpersonal relations nor should it be a barrier to legal employment. There are more than 200 Native American languages and the United States is not a part of, though we are an ally of England.
The President of the United States should not make statements to the effect that there is employment available in the United States that U.S. citizens are unwilling to do. This has the ring of racism or at least ethnocentrism as it suggests that there are others that are willing to do work that is unfit for U.S. workers. Perhaps the emplyment the president is referring to is servile positions on his Texas ranch. There should not be any employment in the U.S. that U.S. citizens are unwilling to do.
Persons living in the U.S. illegally should be deported to their nation of origin. Any family members that may have been born in the U.S. to parents of non-resident aliens should be deported as well. It is not fair to break families up for purposes of enforcing immigration laws, nor shouls illegals be allowed to stay in the U.S. simply because they have children born here.

That is not a bad idea, a little radical but if that's what we need to sioop the imful of ilegals into this country then do it. I am a second generation immigrant. These illegals are breaking the law. There are lots of immigrants standing in line to come here. Why should they be afforded a free ticket.

The right wing Republicans racist?
Just because they are the former Dixiecrats, who left the Democrat party when JFK and LBJ started saying black people should be treated like human beings? Oh hell yes.
They invented racism.
If we want to slow the influx of Mexican immigrants, we need to demand that NAFTA be renegotiated.
The Mexican farm economy is down the tubes because NAFTA allowed cheap subsidized grain from the big agribusinesses in the US to be dumped on the Mexican market. Because of the NAFTA treaty, Mexico couldn't stop them. It has destroyed Mexico's domestic farm economy and dumped thousands of farmers on the job market to compete with the other workers for the low paying jobs that the maquiladoras offer. Pretty slick huh? In the name of "Free" trade the multi-nationals have taken American jobs shipped them to Mexico, and then created a huge pool of hungry workers who are competing for those jobs, which will keep the cost of labor low.
Who cares if these people starve, they're just a bunch of Indios. We'll just build a fence, and not care about Truth, Justice, the American Way or that Christ really taught that we should treat our fellow human beings with love, and justice because they, like us are made in God's image.
The really chilling thing is that this whole immigrant thing has only come up, since the Republicans realized that they are going to have a fight for this legislative race.
So this is the gay-marriage-pro-life, ploy for this campaign.
"Ya know, Them commies had a wunnerful idea. Let's build our own "Berlin Wall" to keep them Mexicans out. We can really work up them voters into a nice case of paranoia."
Nice people these Republicans, only too willing to build a campaign for continuing their program of greed and corruption on the backs of hungry people.

Tom Tancredo is a American hero. We need more like him. I'm sick of my party endorsing slave labor such as illegals and visa workers. The current immigration bill the Senate is voting on is a death bill for the American middle class. How do you expect real Americans to vote for Democrats when Democrats do not support America's working middle class? At least some republicans know that the illegal and visa workers are destroying our way of life. Politicians like Kennedy, Liberman and McCain are traitors to the middle class. There is not one Democrat who is actively trying to protect American workers. There never was a worker shortage I'm sick of hearing that there is. Underage child sex slaves have been brought here on H1B visas (The Reddy case in Oakland) thats how bad they are. But no one cares about that as long as corporate America gets there cheap labor at all cost. Don't insult a real American hero like Tancredo. Emulate him and help save the country and our Democratic party. Stick with your corporate slave trading mentality and not only will the Democrats continue to lose but so will the American middle and lower class. The American worker is discriminated in all sectors thanks to "corporate politicians" like Kennedy, Fienstien, McCain, Lieberman and Bush. We need more like Tancredo not less. Tancredo goes overboard so that he can negotiate a good middle ground. Congress passed a good bill, the Senate is out to kill it and the American middle class. WAKE UP..

Ouch! My eyes are strained....Why?

I just went back over ALL the post (TWICE) to find the words "White Trash" because some idiot here lied and acted like White Folks were under attack for being Anti-Mexican Illegals Immigration.......I found nothing of the sort.So,Mr/Mrs ((forthepoor))

It appears, you are a liar and a distracter.When you said,

"What does the Domocratic Party now stand for? Excercise your freedom of speech and you are threatened, labeled racist, or called racial slurs like white trash. Freedom of discussion not welcomed here! Shame!"

BTW, it's D(E)mocratic Party.....Anyway,s noone has been called White Trash for expressing Free Speech at all.That is a lie.We are not Republicans.Everyone is welcome to their opinion and we embrace Free Speech for ALL sides, not just the ONE side.I can't just sit here and let people attack my Party with a bold faced lie and not say anything.So,no your not "White Trash" because you want to excersise your freedom of speech.You're more than welcome to say things like:

"America Is Full"

"If the illegal immigrants from Mexico want the same opportunities in Mexico that they may have in this country, then they need to go home and build up their own country, like the previous immigrants have to this Nation."

"BUT,we need all illegal aliens out now! We need to do whatever it takes to secure the border"

"I think we should build this wall, and use deadly force to maintain its integrity. Immigration is what this country was built upon. Let people immigrate, but they need to do it legally. I would like to see all illegal aliens returned to their homeland with a GPS device implanted deep with-in their brain, so if they return they can be found and executed."

.........No you and the others who made these comments are not "White Trash".......that would actually be a complement to what you really are.Yes,indeed while we ALL know what "White Trash" is: After all, It was White people who invented the name to call members of their own race that who we're not up to their standards,I would not consider those who made these comments "White Trash" I would submit that some of them have psychological issues,some may be under the control of a hateful demonic "spirit" and some may be just "hard core-republicans" pretending to be democrats but I don't think anyone of those people are simply "White Trash"

I hope that clears up any confusion so that we may all continue this debate without the lies and the distractions.

Thank You,

Freedom Ring, Freedom Ring.......

Posted by HiTechWorker at March 31, 2006 12:24 AM

No,YOU Wake Up!

First of all, I find it hard to believe that you are a Democrat because your ignorance defies liberal logic and ideology; However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You think Tom Tancredo is an American hero? You think a Right Wing Republican can save “our” Party? This gives me further reason to question your party affiliation. Listen, if you are what you claim, which is a democrat, you would understand that NO ONE is advocating any type of amnesty for the illegal ones , but we are keeping in tune with this party’s core beliefs. We understand that this issue is not just two sides,” pick one and hope you get re-elected.” That’s the position of the Republicans. We Democrats take this issue very seriously. We know we must protect our borders. We know we must take action with respect to the 11 MILLION people illegally here. We also understand that because Republicans sat on their fat azzes and allowed this problem to grow and that it was Ronald Reagan (R) who enacted this stupid policy that created this whole issue, we must, as always, come behind our retarded opposition and fix their mistakes. We understand that if we listen to the crazy ideals proposed by our retarded Republicans that there will be young children ORPHANED by the masses. We can’t uproot these children because they are United States Citizens. We understand that husbands and wives would be separated under the nonsensenbrenner (R) House Bill, that college students and employees would be uprooted; employers would face serious economic hardship until they could find replacements. The Democrats believe in finding a WISE and HUMANE solution to this problem as opposed to the Republicans who are responsible for it and want to just toss it all out when it doesn’t work for them.

The fact that Democrats have had to come behind the retarded Republicans and fix or complete their policies is nothing new. The fact that Republicans base all their policies on whether or not it will get them the political standing they seek, is also nothing new:

1.) President Abraham Lincoln (R) Emancipated Slavery only to stop the Civil War, yet allowed for their to be Segregation as well as throwing blacks in jail if they were unemployed yet did nothing to get the NEWLY freed slaved jobs.
2.) Democrats, several years later had to come and fix Lincolns pathetic self-serving policy and enact the Civil Rights laws that helped the Blacks
3.) Republicans during the Reagan and Daddy Bush years raised the Federal deficit and as always, the Democrats had to come fix that. We all know we’re going to now have to come behind the Chief of all Retards, George W. Bush and fix all his mistakes.

In the end, the Democrats have always cared about all the people and that’s what they are doing now. They are working in a bi-partisan manner with the “Fair” Right Republicans as opposed to the “Far” Right Republicans to create COMPREHENSIVE and FAIR legislation with respect to the Illegals . After all, they aren’t going anywhere any time soon so we better figure a way to be fair or else, this nation will be dealing with TWO DISGRUNTLED minority races who are embittered because of the way this nation treated its ancestors and they themselves......and you KNOW who I’m talking about!

Thank You

FreedomOfSpeechForComprehensiveImmigrationReform This is not the place to threaten or slander Democrats, if you have a comment to make on issues, make it. Other peoples posts here are none of your business. They are not posting to you, this is not your private blog, they are posting their opinions on issues for others to read. Please keep your personal attacks to yourself and only post on the current political issues if you can manage that!

Liberalism depends on law to regulate the powerful corporate interests and provide the working classes and lower classes a level playing field. Corporate interests depend on mass immigration to maintain growth for their profit margins and to depress wages of the masses. Mass immigration overloads the social support systems and thus we see large cutbacks in those eligible for services and the average amount of support provided cut by 75%, a virtual end to medical aid. Thus mass immigration is bringing an end to the social welfare state as the right wing has expected, mass immigration has ocurred due to right wing policies. The mass immigration of an anti-abortion religion population has also driven Republicans to continue these mass immigration policies. As our population grows from 300 million to 400 million social control will require the end to freedoms like personal privacy, fascist government will thrive. Social pressures will increase crime, discontent, the power of the police state will increase. Our response to these policies seems to be to relax all of the liberal laws that control corporate power: fair employment laws, civil rights laws, environmental laws, minimum wage laws, health and safety laws, and yes, fair immigration laws. Racism is only allowing one color, one religion, one culture to migrate to our country. We as liberals want balanced immigration law that allows an equal number from each race, from each religion, from each culture, and regulated to not overwhelm our wage base and social systems. Remember the fights in Florida over Cubans being welcome and poor Haitians being shipped back to Haiti, black immigration was deliberately limited. The cuban vote in Florida gave us George Bush!

Just say no to NAFTA and CAFTA, they will both hurt poor farmers and encourage more illegal immigration.

Webmaster please control your blog and pull posts with personal attacks!

Letter to DNC:
Once again I feel compelled to contact the DNC. I am absolutely appalled at the DNC pandering stance with ILLEGAL immigration. To reinforce the insulting "They do jobs Americans won't do" is not only insulting but wrong. Americans do all sorts of jobs - what Americans don't want to do is be exploited by corporations and the agricultural conglomerates. The fact that the Democratic Party does is disgusting. You should be working FOR Americans who voted for you NOT drooling over future votes of people who broke American law to sneak into the USA. Legal immigrants MUST jump thru hoops to come here & submit to health & background scrutiny as well as agree that they are ineligible US welfare, unemployment, etc. Meanwhile ILLEGAL aliens drain our hospitals, schools & other social benefit programs
Your FIRST priority should be in securing our borders. PERIOD. Watching lawbreaking illegal aliens clog our streets, waving the flags of their nations, demanding American rights is disgusting.
I am alarmed to know that the DNC has chosen to overlook the negative impact of illegal immigration on Black Americans & legal Hispanic Americans--just so you can garner future votes.
Plain & simple the DNC is greedy for votes.

I have vociferously supported the Democratic Party for over 30 years - now I find you are no longer the party that supports American citizens. Now I find that I am teetering on the brink of the sad knowledge that my vote for Democratic Party may never happen again.

I cannot for the life of me see why the Democrats insist on pandering to the "Illegal" immigrants. They've depressed wages across the board for all middle America, driven up the cost of our health care by using emergency rooms as their primary care options, and they're breaking the back of the union work force, by going to work in the construction trades, and mid-level factory jobs. Not to mention that their using forged documents, assuming a false identity, and entering the United States without a visa of any kind. All of which are crimes.
I remember a time when the democratic party stood up for the working, and middle class in America. I'm disapointed to wake up today to find that they've sold their political values for mere vote mongering. Illegal, is just that, illegal. You wouldn't call a illegal drug dealer an undocumented pharmacist. Stand up for American's first, and everyone else on the planet second. I've been a loyal democrat, but you will never get another vote from me if you pass the immigration reform bill.

Our leaders have been so dishonest with us about the scope of the influx of illegals I favor booting them out of office.

After all , the immigrants have not exactly behaved honorably while in this country .
The crime rate among them is totally unacceptable . I have watched my city turn from a pleasant low crime community to a high crime third world hell hole . People are sick to death
of it and I don't blame them .

Here we go again. This is the single-issue-voter issue for this election. Trust the Republicans to find an issue which will get a knee-jerk reaction from so many people, and which has the potential to take everybody's minds off the real issues.
First, let's clarify a few things:
Lincoln has nothing to do with the reconstruction of the South and the rise of segregation. Booth shot him before that phase started, it was Andrew Johnson (also a Republican) who oversaw that era.
Poor Mexicans, who are mostly Indians or Mestizos (mixed bloods) have little or no say in their government. The government of Mexico is mainly run by the descendants of Spanish colonials, European immigrants who came to Mexico to exploit it for economic gain after the liberation from Spain and many Southerners who went to Mexico after the Civil War. They basically "Jim Crow" the indians. The continued mistreatment of the Mayans in Southern Mexico gave rise to a present day resurgence of the Zapatistas under Sub-commandante Marcos.
We are being hurt by NAFTA and other not-so-free trade agreements that the Republicans and Republi-lites have foisted on the American people by lying about the benefits of such agreements. The Mexican poor have been devastated by the same agreements. We are in the same boat.
When you have a leaking pipe flooding your basement, you don't spend money on an expensive pump to get the water out of the basement. It wouldn't stop the basic problem and you still have to pay the water bill. You have to fix the pipe.
Building a wall won't stop the basic problem for either the Mexicans or ourselves. We need to dry up the problem by renegotiating these very expensive "free" trade agreements and drying up the problem at the source. We need to rein in run away big business and deal with the corrupt profiteers both corporate and governmental who cause the the problem.
That's the bottom line.

It is very saddening to see this report on Tom Tancredo, but it is equally so to see the replies to it.

Where is our humanity when we dehumanize immigrants by calling them illegal and seek to fragment their existence by building a wall to "keep them out."

Most people do not want to leave their homeland and their comfort zone, but are left with no other choice because there is no possibility to have a decent quality of life (a possibility that has worsened over the years with the enforcement of free trade on willing governments and unwilling people). Most people do not, in fact, see the United States (Not America, as the entire continent is America) as a beatiful and peaceful utopia where they would love to spend the rest of their entire lives, they see it as an economic necessity. Is the choice between poverty and going north really a choice at all?

You all consider yourselves to be liberal, and in thought, you may be. But where is your humanity when you criticize someone who wants to criminalize "illegal" immigration, but then call it "illegal yourselves"...with what right do you limit the life quality of another. You should truly be ashamed.

It is very saddening to see this report on Tom Tancredo, but it is equally so to see the replies to it.

Where is our humanity when we dehumanize immigrants by calling them illegal and seek to fragment their existence by building a wall to "keep them out."

Most people do not want to leave their homeland and their comfort zone, but are left with no other choice because there is no possibility to have a decent quality of life (a possibility that has worsened over the years with the enforcement of free trade on willing governments and unwilling people). Most people do not, in fact, see the United States (Not America, as the entire continent is America) as a beatiful and peaceful utopia where they would love to spend the rest of their entire lives, they see it as an economic necessity. Is the choice between poverty and going north really a choice at all?

You all consider yourselves to be liberal, and in thought, you may be. But where is your humanity when you criticize someone who wants to criminalize "illegal" immigration, but then call it "illegal yourselves"...with what right do you limit the life quality of another. You should truly be ashamed.

A Northeastern University study found that nearly 86 percent of all newly employed workers hired from 2000 to 2005 were immigrants. For men, the statistics were more stark. In that time, the labor market for men rose by 2.66 million while 2.77 million foreign-born men found work. In other words, Sum said, immigrants have begun replacing native-born male workers.

The figures do not lie, illegal immigration is completely displacing and destroying American lower class families. The Democratic Party will shed no tears or have no mercy for poor American children!

The democrats should be running on a platform of being more conservative than the republicans.

Another issue is the democrats never fight back to the republican issue of "tax & spend democrats." You can prove the democrats are more conservative than the republicans, so why in the heck don't you start saying so?

If the democrats want to take over government for many years to come they should state that no one will be taxed at a rate greater than 35%.

And, to make up for the needed money to run government, run on the platform of streamlining and reducing the size of government agencies

Other cost reductions can be obtained from barganing for drug prices for medicare and everyone else in the country.

Implement a basic health care plan for everyone which would keep people healthy and could reduce the cost of health care for employees of businesses.

You needf to contact Professor Theodore Lowi at Cornell University -- the author of "The End Of The Republican Era." He can prove that President Clinton and the democratic party were more conservative than the current repulbican party.

Also, I suggest you see my new web site VoterRebellion.com which suggests what "we the people" must do to regain control of our government.

H. Leon Raper

Hispanics will continue to flow into the U.S. until our legislators get it together and produce an economic magnet that will motivate them to stay home. Threatening their security does little but alienate them and everybody else who thinks about coming to the U.S. including many talented people and a few bums.
F.D.R. lifted America out of the severest of economic difficulties via the Work Progress Administration, (W.P.A.) Why can't we teach Mr. Vincente Foxx and his minions how to mount an effort styled after that life-saving creation?

we need to stay in the middle on this immigration issue. have all employers recheck all employees for proper ID. let them have 6 months to do so. this way nobody can be call racist or said to be looking just for Mexican immigrants. Have the federal government pay for the recheck. then have all states stop issueing license and ID cards without Proper Papers. Make it a federal crime to hire illegal immigrants, and go ahead with the guest worker program. then there won't be a problem finding all the illegals. the federal government can be paid back with the fee for the guest worker papers.

this makes the democratic party appear to be taking the high road. but not bowing to the illegal immigrants. We have to get a back bone some time or we will neve win another election. remember we won't just be given the midterms we have to earn them.

The idea that all democrats are liberal is a falsehood .
I most certainly am not . I vote democratic because republicans bring nothing but trouble .
When has a republican administration came to power and we didn't go into a recession ? They always have a million excuses but they never seem to have positive results .

Back to immigration , Mexico never developed a compentant social system or culture . The land of Mexico is actually the choicest piece of real estate on the North American continent . Why is it our responsibility to bail them out ?
By allowing Mexicans to sneak in here en mass we are just inviting the rats from the plague .
They destroy the quality of life in any community they come into and that is a already demonstrated fact.

The idea that all democrats are liberal is a falsehood .
I most certainly am not . I vote democratic because republicans bring nothing but trouble .
When has a republican administration came to power and we didn't go into a recession ? They always have a million excuses but they never seem to have positive results .

Back to immigration , Mexico never developed a compentant social system or culture . The land of Mexico is actually the choicest piece of real estate on the North American continent . Why is it our responsibility to bail them out ?
By allowing Mexicans to sneak in here en mass we are just inviting the rats from the plague .
They destroy the quality of life in any community they come into and that is a already demonstrated fact.

As a loyal Democrat, I am angry. While I don't agree with everything Tancredo stands for, I am more in line with his thoughts. Twenty-eight years ago, as a young wife of a 2nd Lieutenant, and with a newly earned college degree, I could not find a job in Miami, Florida; and later, I could not find a job in El Paso, Texas - because I could not speak Spanish! Soon, my two children will be home from college and their prospect of finding a summer job is deem - most of the lower paying jobs in my area are filled by illegal immigrants. I've read the stories in the papers of illegal immigrants "borrowing" social security numbers and receiving benefts. After 40 years of paying into the system, I can only hope that, when I'm eligible to collect, an illegal immigrant has not stolen my benefits.

Ever notice that when conservatives talk about immigration they always mention"the lower and middle-class workers are losing jobs due to immigration"?It's like now that is 2006 they might as well pretend to care!

Get it right! The lower and middle class workers are loosing jobs to outsourcing because of NAFTA CAFTA, and the other, very expensive to the workers, "free" trade agreements.
These are the same agreements that have hurt the Mexican farmers and lower class workers, by destroying the Mexican farm economy and are keeping wages in Mexico below subsistence level.
Hate, racism, and me-ism will not fix anything.
Getting to the source of the problem and fixing the disasters that these very expensive "free" trade agreements, which have cost all of us dearly ,will fix things.
We need to rein in the out-of-control multi-national corporations who have bought and paid for many of the the Republicans, and Republi-lite sell-outs in the Democrat party.
We need to start firing the sell-outs, and voting the primaries to get control of the Congress back in the hands of the American people. That's the first step.
Then we need to do two things;
First, start re-negotiating these treaties so that the workers on BOTH sides of the border get a fair shake.
Second, but simultaneously, investigate the legislators who sponsered the bills, and impeach Bush and Cheney.
All this us-ing and them-ing only plays into the hands of the multi-nationals who are getting fat off the workers, and are only out for profit.
If everybody gets suckered in to the single-issue-voter issue of the present campaign, we will have fixed nothing, the problem won't go away, and things will only get worse.
And the rich and greedy will laugh their butts off all the way to the bank.

It would appear that most of the comments about illegal immigration in this blog are in favor of firm action and NO AMNESTY. The politicans sold us out in 1986 and I am willing to wager a tall cold one that they do it again. Regardless of party, the political leaders are out to protect the special interest groups who fund them and the heck with the average John Q. Public who is losing out because of the illegal immigration problem. I am older than dirt and have always been a Democrat but given the current circunstances, I will vote for the person or persons who has the guts to say enough is enough. I can show you a couple of hundred illegal aliens standing openly on the street corners a short distance from where I live and this is only the tip ov the ice berge. The authorities will not even bother to check them out let alone, pick them up. Now, how many of these individuals will become part of the catch and release program promtoed by John McCain and Edward Kennendy? If you aren't familiar with the other unofficial govenment progam that I refer to as the "breed and stay" program, check it out. The illegals are very astute in their knowledge that the government will not deport them if they have an offspring in the United States even though they are here illegally. The media reported recently that one in four births at the Maricopa county Hospital in Phoenix, AZ was to an illegal mother. Guess who paid the tab and guess who will continue paying the tab for the next 18 years?

If you are a concerned citizen, let our democratic leaders as well as thos "nasty" republicians currently in office know that you disagree with the catch and release program. We need tougher employer sanctions and a timely catch and deport program to bring things into equilibrium.

For those would argue that these folks are only looking for a better life, when I was in the military, I was stationed in places that made Mexico look properous. The simple fact is that we cannot absorb every individual who like to come to the United States for a better life.

This is the reason democrats will shoot themselves in the foot and loose in the 2006 elections. We are out of step with the average working american. Illegal immigrants are crushing communites by draining socical services,taking jobs, depressing wages, overcrowding schools and most of all they have broken the law.
McCain-Kennedy Act won't work, this is amnesty, it doesn't solve the problem of illegal immirgration or what to do with 10-20 illegals aliens. This was done in 1985 and failed.

Democrates have some hard decisions to make in the two months, are they going pander to big business and special interest or follow the law, control the borders, go after big business that are hiring illegals. If republicans grab this issue, no matter how bad they have governed in the pass they will sail to victory in November.

This is the reason democrats will shoot themselves in the foot and loose in the 2006 elections. We are out of step with the average working american. Illegal immigrants are crushing communites by draining socical services,taking jobs, depressing wages, overcrowding schools and most of all they have broken the law.
McCain-Kennedy Act won't work, this is amnesty, it doesn't solve the problem of illegal immirgration or what to do with 10-20 illegals aliens. This was done in 1985 and failed.

Democrates have some hard decisions to make in the two months, are they going pander to big business and special interest or follow the law, control the borders, go after big business that are hiring illegals. If republicans grab this issue, no matter how bad they have governed in the pass they will sail to victory in November.

We will give this fall's elections away again because our party will waffle on the immigration issue. The kennedy-McCain bill is bad! When we look at all the issues confronting our country some huge ones pop up like health care, Bush's war,the deficit,tax inequity, etc. Yet, in discussinons with over 60 friends, family members,and co workers,48 of the 60 would take a very strong ,"Tancredo" type position on illegal immigration, and list it as one of the top 2 issues they are concerned with. Our DNC better wake up or we will lose big this fall .

ROBIN WILLIAMS HAS A PLAN!!!! IT'S A GOOD ONE!!

The Plan!

You gotta love Robin Williams......

Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin

Williams to come up with the perfect

plan. What we need now is for our

UN Ambassador to stand up and

repeat this message.

Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to

argue with this logic!)

"I see a lot of people yelling for peace

but I have not heard of a plan for

peace. So, here's one plan."

1) "The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good ole boys', we will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be tho-roughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere." They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them are stolen or given to the army. The people need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH...learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?' "

If you agree with the above forward it to friends...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it!!

This blog's wide variety of oppinions on immigration is very interesting. Both sides are passionate and emotional on this issue. Regardless of how much I want all illegals to be kicked out of our country, the fact remains that if my parents would face deportation because they fall into this category, I would definitely be against deporting my parents, and instead be for giving them a path to legalization.
Even Tancredo would be singing a different song today if the lives and future of his loved ones were to be threatened by the House Bill. So I do not blame american citizens protesting the House Bill because it literally threatens their future in this country if their parents can no longer be here to provide for them.
My point here is that our opinions are colored by how we will be affected by one policy or the other. No one is a racist here for whatever opinions they might have, the truth is that our opinions are shaped by our human selfishness. Nobody will have a good opinnion about what would altimately threaten what or who they value in life. I think it is reasonable to be empathetic towards the situation of other people when we make our jugdement, because at the end of the day, we are all human .
Let's not forget the political spin to all of this. Republicans are very good at racheting up a divisive issue when approaching an election. These issues are designed many times to scare people into thinking that the our world would fall apart if we do not see the issue through their own eyes. Last election they used the issue of gays an lesbians to trick americans into thinking that electing a democratic president altimately means that gay marriage would be legalized in america. And that won them votes from the religious people who genuinely felt that family values would be destroyed if the country elects a democrat as president. Hispanics who were mostly catholics fell for this lie and voted for the republicans as well. About 40-44% of the Hispanic votes won the presidential election for the republicans. Here again, on the issue of immigration, Republicans are trying to paint democrats as undermining homeland security by proposing that illigals should be allowed have a path to legalization.
Let's not forget that it is the same republicans who have also been saying that that our economy is in it's the best shape ever, with the unemployment at 4.8%; the lowest rate of unemployment ever. Yet on another side of their mouth, they are saying that the burden of the illegals is crippling our economy.
This is all a a big lie to divide people, communities and neighbors. And let's not fall for it.
Let's all keep in mind that it important to protect our borders, while at the same time exercising the wisdom that the lives of many people are at stake here as well, and it just could have been ours.
I have come to agree that legalizing the illegals is a good policy when all is said and done. We need them to start contributing even far more than they are doing right now. For those of them who will eventually become citizen after doing all that is required of them, it seems like it will be a very long process that would take up to ten years or more in the Kennedy/Maccain bill if passed.

Posted by forthepoor on March 31, 2006 at 03:09 AM

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Ha Ha Ha ! .....Tell ya what.You go first! ;D

Olddixiecrat: For a Democrat you sure sound like a Republican.
As for going places that makes Mexico look prosperous, it all depends on what parts of Mexico you went to.
Where did you do go in Mexico? Just the resort areas? They are prosperous with the foreign, including American, money being spent on vacations.
Did you go to Mexico City, where the prosperous hotels are and the touristy stuff?
Didn't you notice the street vendors, the jugglers, the windshield washers? Did you go into the poor areas of the cities, and see the people living in cardboard shacks?
Did you go up into the mountains and see the small villages that are drying up because they can't sell their crops for enough to be able to survive long enough to grow the next crop?
Yes, there are many poor areas in the nations around the world, Mexico is only the issue because it is on our border. Thanks to the "Free" trade agreements there are many more poor areas in countries which are getting poorer, including this country, and they are growing.
Ever hear ot the "Rust Belt"? Those jobs for the most part are in China, where a Communist oligarchy is getting fat off of sweat shop labor at our expense. Why isn't anyone talking about that?
We need to find a solution that will help all of us.
Ethics, social responsibility, and Matthew Ch 25 vs 31-46, aside, the very Republican solution of letting the poor starve, or die from lack of medical care is only going to make things worse in the long run. And the way things are going, the long run is a very short distance.

I don't know...I may have to stay home on election day 2008 if the Democrats don't wake up on ILLEGAL immigration. ILLEGAL is the important word in this whole debate. If we begin to sanction allowing ILLEGALS to have it easy to become a citizen of this nation, then why do it any other way than by ILLEGAL? I remember my father-in-law spending so much time learning and studying American history so he could pass his immigration test and was so PROUD when he did.

Also, and extremely important to all Democrat candidates. SECURE our borders now. ENFORCE the laws that are on the books now, which includes putting the employees of known ILLEGALS in jail.

Posted by marykins on April 2, 2006 at 11:46 AM
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I get that you're ticked off and if you don't wanna vote in 2008 that's on you,but I would like to explain something:

THIS IS A REPUBLICAN DOMINATED GOVERNMENT!

What that means is that we must look at what the Democrats are up against.You have those in power making UNJUST and UNFAIR rules with respect to the Illegals.I am very glad you pointed out the fact, whether that were your intention or not,but you pointed out that the employers should face just as heavy as a penalty as those who came over here Illegally.However, the Republicans don't seem to wan't to "HERD" up all there White,Male Constituents and put them in Federal prison for 30 to 50 years for their high FELONY crimes.They want to over look these employers for violating this nations National Security,YET,they and their supporters seem to have the biggest mouths when it comes to puninshing the Illegals and they wonder why they get accused of benig racist or anti-immigrant.I must say that I thank you for pointing out that the "employers" have some responsibility in this and they derserve some serious punishment as well.However,the Democrats are looking at this in a very broad manner.They see the unjust with respect to the Illegals getting all the blame while not very many are as HARSH in their criticizm of the Corporations who hire them,the property owners who rent to them,the Federal Government system that gives them hand-outs,ect.I have yet to read any post calling for the heads of Halliburton and other companies that hire Illegals.I don't hear anyone wanting to execute them or implant chips in them or some of the insane suggestions I hear with respect to what to do about the Illegals.I can't tell you,my friend,how to vote,but I will ask that you seriously reconsider and understand that the Democrats are looking a very complex issue that's not only black and white,but with many shades of grey and they are trying to come up with the most Comprehensive Immigration Reform possible as opposed to the Republicans who are only looking at the "whitest" shades.

Let's not forget the great republican game here' it is divide and conquer'
Democrats must not fall for this ploy, rather let's use our common sense here to do the right thing.
I am all for building this so called wall along the US mexico border, but how are we so sure that we will not resort to the same illegals we condemn to build this wall. If we decide to build this wall, we must also build a wall on our northern canadian border, otherwise we are sending a racist message to Hispanics.

This Democrat says, Tom Tancredo for President!

Also, the party is in real danger of losing many members because of its ignoring of national overpopulation and the resulting ecological devastation.

This Democrat says, Tom Tancredo for President!

Also, the party is in real danger of losing many members because of its ignoring of national overpopulation and the resulting ecological devastation.

Sorry folks, I don't buy the party line. In November 1964 I figured on my own initiative that there were just too many people. I worked for Planned parenthood for years and myself have seen fit to not procreate. 90% of our current population growth is legal and illegal immigrants and there progeny immigrating since 1990. Skin color doesn't count, too many people and the consequences do. Love, uncle dave

I am VERY DISAPPOINTED in the US senate esp the democtratic party of which I have been a member for since I was 18 and I have ALWAYS voted democratic. However, if the ILLEGAL immigration bill continues to be supported I will SWITCH partys. I don't know who the senate listens to but actually I do. SPECIAL INTEREST. BUt anyway I don't think anyone in Washington is actually listening to the PEOPLE who put them there. But I and all the people I have talked to think that the ILLEGAL immigrants need to go back to MEXICO or wherever they are from. I do not care about them. I care about my country and I am ashamed of some of the people I voted for. THey need to be defending the United States. Or should I say the United STates of Mexico since their president seems to be calling the shots. I am glad that my dad did not live to see illegals taking over our country. The country he fought for and carried a bullet in his face until the day he died. He would have felt betrayed by the so called AMericans in washington. I always admired the KEnnedys but not anymore. The immigration issue is a no brainer to me. They are breaking the law. SEND THEM BACK. and start concentrating on the citizens of the US: high gas prices, education, health care, getting out of IRaq and taking back control of the country.

What part about illegal immigration don't you understand? We should be what the Republicans aren't, Americans first then party members secondly. Supporting illegal immigration is wrong plain and simple.

ILLEGAL immigration and legal immigration are not the same. We welcome over 1 million legal new immigrants a year. Those people waiting and processing legally have been fooled. Break the law and get rewarded. Follow the law and be a chump.

Why do we have such lax border security as to allow millions of illegal aliens into this country? Who benefits: Number one --Corporate America. They get to keep your wages low by exploiting illegals. According to the Pew center on Hispanic Studies, the biggest losers due to illegal immigration are recent legal Hispanic legal immigrants. Chumped again.

It is estimated that for a quart of strawberries that paying legal minimum wages would increase picking costs from 12 cents to 25 cents. Why do we exploit illegals to save 12 cents?

Why do we support a racist set of organizations to promote their un American agenda? Who are we talking about--La Raza (The Race), LuLAC, Univision (Jorge Ramos) and other Latino organizations that 1) support the reconquista, the reqconquest of America by Latinos
2) Support the subversion of US law by supporting illegal immigration 3) Support the Latinization of America within 30 years

Why aren't these racist groups clamoring for Chinese, Poles, and all others who want to come into this country illegally? Because they are not the Race?

Why it is Mexico stops illegal immigration into their country on their southern border and encourages it to our country by handing out maps, guides and the support of Mexican army troops to assist these invaders?

30 per cent of prison space is occupied by foreigners a majority of them illegal aliens.

Our schools, hospitals, and social infrastructure are to the breaking point in areas where illegal immigration is high. A number of hospitals have declared bankruptcy in the southwestern US.

Why are we forced to accommodate Spanish speakers? Why not Chinese, Polish, Russian and so on and so forth? What makes Latinos so special above everyone else? If we are going to allow millions of illegals in why not let everyone in?

The Catholic Church is counting on the illegal invasion to increase its church membership (Saw it on EWTN. Fr. Neuhaus was the speaker). Why don't they work to stop overpopulation an