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Last night to fill out your brackets. Friendly advice, pick Southern Illinois in rounds one & two then brag to your friends about it on Sunday night.
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Go Feingold...you're a true patriot.
Run the Bush GAng off.
Prior to the ’05 off year elections, I was solicited by progressive organizations to help Ohio Democrats support a proposition ending Republican gerrymandering and reverse their dominance of the Ohio congressional delegation. I was simultaneously solicited by liberal groups to help defeat Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s proposition to stop Democratic gerrymandering in that state. Thus I was being asked by liberal organizations to help end gerrymandering in one state but support it in another. Intellectually, I found their simultaneous requests incongruous.
Read, About Gerrymandering: Good Policy Is Good Politics in today's posting of the Intrepid Liberal Journal
Republicans apparently have no heart.
Democrats apparently have no spine.
Support Russ Feingold!
Bulletin!
Bravo Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa!
According to Roll Call, Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa just signed on as cosponsor to Feingold's censure resolution!
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/12561-1.html
Bravo, Senator Harkin!
Iowa rocks!
Call Harkin's office now and voice your resounding support!
Senator Harkin's Office info:
WASHINGTON OFFICE
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-3254 Phone
Now, hopefully the rest of the Democrats in the Senate will follow suite.
...We now have a Russ 2008 bumpersticker on our car and truck. Posted by Northwoods on March 15, 2006 at 05:03 PM
Where did you get it from? I'd like to get one.
In a few minutes I’ll be heading to Dallas so I wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their dialog and commitment to the party. I respect those who oppose my viewpoints even though they despise my expanding assiduousness. Perhaps its time for me to ponder the subject through the eyes of those who feel the most repressed.
I’ll be gone for a few days as I intend to turn my KA B200 south from Dallas and head to South Padre Island to check on my rental condos during spring break. There is nothing like soaring alone in the quietness of the night above 40K feet for meditation and reflection.
Billy Bob,
Excuse my reference to your name, okay? I would prefer to call you William Robert, but I only go on what I know.
If you are expanding your mind as you say you are, if you are willing to look through another's eyes as you say you are, I'm more than willing to talk to you.
It's not effective with an unwilling audience, but if you're up for it, so am I. It won't be the first time I got a straight man to understand the predictament of our community.
Call me cazy. But, is the USA getting ready to put Saddam Hussein back in power in Iraq?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/15/saddam.trial/index.html
Now, hopefully the rest of the Democrats in the Senate will follow suite.
I certainly hope that all Democrats do too.
On another note, remember that photo op that bush had with Jason, the autistic basketball star.
Think Progress has the truth about how bush posed with Jason while cutting funds to allow special needs children access to a fair education.
Shame on you bush, did you kiss Jason while you were screwing him??
Also there's a toll-free number for the Capitol Switchboard - call & ask to be transferred to Sen. Harkin's office:
(888) 355-3588
Or ask to be tranrsferred to any senator's office!
From Firedoglake:
Could it be that Democrats are finally emboldened against a President with a 33% approval rating?
Feingold Censure Resolution
Lions
Feingold
Kerry
Boxer
Harkin
Menendez
Lemmings
Lieberman
Dodd
Thank you, CSColorado!
Keep up the good work.
We Minutemen shall prevail over King George the Worst.
Proud to march with you.
Posted by CSColorado on March 15, 2006 at 06:02 PM
So, does that make it six who have signed on, or are the lions just the ones who have stood up recently?
ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (CNN) -- Federal prosecutors are considering abandoning their crippled death penalty case against al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, a transcript of a closed-door meeting with the judge reveals.
"Without some relief, frankly, I think that there's no point for us to go forward," prosecutor Robert Spencer told U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema after a ruling Tuesday that gutted half his case.
Because of misconduct by a government attorney, Carla Martin, Brinkema decided to bar "any and all witnesses and evidence dealing whatsoever" with aviation security.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/15/moussaoui.trial/index.html
AP) - WEARE, N.H.-In a largely symbolic gesture, voters in Supreme Court Justice David Souter's hometown on Tuesday rejected a proposal to seize his 200-year-old farmhouse as payback for a ruling that expanded government's authority to take property.
Even though voters overwhelmingly agreed to leave Souter's home alone, it would have been safe whatever the outcome.
The vote was prompted by activists angered by the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision last year in a property rights case from Connecticut. Souter sided with the majority in holding that governments can take property and turn it over to private developers.
http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/632/03-15-2006/8e6e000d0d90b32f.html
Posted by BillyBobBo on March 15, 2006 at 04:31 PM
"I was having lunch yesterday in a Mexican café and two women were snuggling and kissing. My thoughts drifted back to this board along with a wish I could join them."
Sounds like a typical straight fantasy to me and not worth your debate with him..........
Former Dem Senator Bob Kerrey called Bush "incompetent" on CBS News.
'Bout time someone said it!
Bravo, Sen. Bob!
lavndr, my thoughts - What does this blog have to do with bbb's fantasy? Last I knew, we were all bitching about the failure of our Senators to support Sen. Feingold in his censure proposal.
If BillyBobCat is having wet dreams, it's not due to anything that's been posted on this blog. Maybe it's just about his desire to rid himself of his born again, neo-con repressive roots.
Via Digby:
There is still a lot of angst, it appears, both in Washington and the blogosphere over Feingold's censure motion. It seems that substantively, the party agrees that Bush broke the law and deserves to be censured, but there is a division among most of the blogosphere and virtually the entire establishment about whether this is a canny move politically. ...
Steve Benen contacted some insiders who told him this:
First, a lot of Dems were bothered by the fact that Feingold took the party off-message. The DP World controversy was still reverberating, and congressional Dems had hoped to keep the momentum going this week with a vote on the "Sail Only if Scanned (S.O.S.) Act," which requires more effective scanning techniques be implemented at our ports, and a bill that would expanding government scrutiny of foreign investments. Instead, both of these are getting less attention because of interest in Feingold's resolution.
Second, there's a sense that Feingold helped bring Republicans together. As of last week, the GOP's fissures were showing and all the talk was about Republicans on the Hill exerting independence from the White House. Now, Feingold's resolution has pushed the GOP back together again and Republicans are back on the offensive. Some Dems think the censure resolution basically helped the GOP get off the ropes.
Third, there was not even a hint of party strategy on this. The past couple of years, there's been an effort to try and have Dems coordinate more on major political and policy initiatives. Coordinating Dems is like herding cats, but there's been some progress of late. Feingold, however, decided to go his own way; he announced his resolution without even letting his colleagues know it was coming and with no real regard for what it would do for the party's short-term agenda. Some see this as a slap in the face — if Feingold wanted party support, they said, he should have worked within the party. Instead, Feingold took the lead, and no one followed.
Fourth, Dems saw that Bush was starting another series of Iraq speeches, and the party was ready to pivot from ports to the war. Roll Call noted today that Dems want to "play offense on Iraq." Yesterday, however, whenever a Dem senator tried to talk about the war, reporters just asked about Feingold.
And fifth, one Senate staffer in particular said if Feingold wanted to push warrantless searches again, there were (and are) effective alternatives to a censure resolution. The staffer told me:
"Rather than just rush to a vote, which would be stupid, we want to get Specter to hold a hearing on it in Judiciary where it has been referred. Imagine a hearing with a panel of experts discussing whether Bush's behavior deserves censure. Wouldn't that be much better as a first step then a rushed vote in which we lose and R's declare victory and say we were silly?"
None of these reasons hold up for me. They do not denote timidity, so much as a kind of political blindness.
Let's take them one by one: (read the full post here).
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Posted by Cyn_NY on March 15, 2006 at 06:59 PM
There was a debate on the earilier blog about gay marriage and bbb's fantasy appeared. I thought is was worth pointing since some gave him a break after this entry. I didn't think they caught it. Sorry if I put this out here inappropriately, it wasn't intended.
Lavndr, I didn't mean anything to you. In fact, I saw the post and thought it odd that no one had really called him on it. You are perfectly justified in your post. I am just a little suspicious of where he/she is coming from.
So sorry if you thought otherwise.
atrios has this collection of statements made about the iraq war that are just amazing. i must copy and paste a few for you:
"Now that the combat phase of the war in Iraq is officially over, what begins is a debate throughout the entire U.S. government over America's unrivaled power and how best to use it."
(CBS reporter Joie Chen, 5/4/03)
"The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside liberals, and a few people here in Washington."
(Charles Krauthammer, Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)
"We had controversial wars that divided the country. This war united the country and brought the military back."
(Newsweek's Howard Fineman--MSNBC, 5/7/03)
"We're all neo-cons now."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)
"The war winds down, politics heats up.... Picture perfect. Part Spider-Man, part Tom Cruise, part Ronald Reagan. The president seizes the moment on an aircraft carrier in the Pacific."
(PBS's Gwen Ifill, 5/2/03, on George W. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech)
"Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years."
(Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)
"Some journalists, in my judgment, just can't stand success, especially a few liberal columnists and newspapers and a few Arab reporters."
(CNN's Lou Dobbs, 4/14/03)
"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?"
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)
"Speaking to the U.N. Security Council last week, Secretary of State Colin Powell made so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is in material breach of U.N. resolutions that only the duped, the dumb and the desperate could ignore it."
(Cal Thomas, syndicated column, 2/12/03)
wow it leaves you breathless doesn't it. history is important. what this bit of history teaches is that cheer leaders belong in the march madness games....not the media.
Posted by Cyn_NY on March 15, 2006 at 07:06 PM
Cyn, sorry I took it wrong. I think the guy/gal was in here under another name just about the same time I started to attend the blog world here (2 months). He baited people and it always brought very angry exchanges. I think debate is good but his/her way was not.
There is an idiot or a Karl Rove attack dog, maybe both, by the name of, Steve Bhaerman, over at, opednews.com, who is telling everyone to send the DNC empty envelopes instead of money. He does not understand the difference between the DNC and other Democratic Party organizations.
The DNC should not be made a scapegoat for the empty promises from ineffective Democrats in Congress! Besides, not giving a contribution to the DNC is like making a contribution to the GOP! It works just like voting folks.
Here is the article:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steve_bh_060314_empty_envelopes_for_.htm
Here is Steve Bhaerman's email address:
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/contact.php?sid=99
Here is a copy of my email to him:
Steve,
What is your problem? Don't you know Howard Dean and the DNC are the only hope the Democrats have left?
Don't you know that all the Democrats who are guilty of the charges you made against the Democratic Party were opposed to Howard Dean becoming the DNC Chairman?
Why are you trying to sabatoge the DNC? After rebuilding the infrastructure that is necessary to take America back from the Republicans and the DINOs, the DNC is short of cash. Now you are actively trying to bankrupt them.
I suspect you of being an idiot, a Karl Rove attack dog, or both!
Respectfully,
Kevin Schmidt
So, does that make it six who have signed on, or are the lions just the ones who have stood up recently?
Posted by I_support_human_rights_Why_dont_you
Via Firedoglake:
John Kerry has been saying right out of the gate he would support the resolution, Boxer's office has been confirming that she would and so has Menendez. And now Harkin (above) has signed on as a co-sponsor. Counting Feingold himself, that's five.
Only three Democrats have indicated they definitely don't support the measure -- Dodd, Dayton and (no surprise) Holy Joe.
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Whew, lavndr, glad we got that straightened out. I think it's the same troll that was called driftwood something that so insulted some friends on the blog.
I've read your posts and I am glad you are contributing to this blog. There is a lot of great energy here and, on occasion, some troll invasions. However, the good always prevails.
And, I especially love Lavender! My very favorite calming essential oil.
Posted by gregg on March 15, 2006 at 07:13 PM
It ONLY means that ALL those Yellow Spineless Cheerleaders should be on the next plane to Fallujah.
Let them give up their $2 MILLION BUCK know nothing jobs, and be a target.
And that means Lardball, too.
He is STRESSING that he worked for Jimmy Carter.
YEAH? A-HOLE? YOU ARE ON ABRAMOFF'S PAYROLL NOW.
CS Colorado,
Thank you for posting Digby. I owe you a drink.
I have also read Kevin Drum's post and I am shaking my head where he states:
And the reason that the Democratic response is "muddled" is because too many Democrats are still afraid of being seen as "siding with the terrorists." It has nothing to do with Feingold.
Huh??
However Glenn explains:
But even if the Censure Resolution ultimately fails, the rationale for pursuing it is self-evident. Kevin frequently frets about (among other things) the fact that Democrats are perceived as being weak. The reason for that is because Democrats often are weak, precisely when they do things like abandon their own Senators and refuse to take a principled stand against a President who got caught breaking the law.
Posted by Cyn_NY on March 15, 2006 at 07:27 PM
I'm glad we got that over with as well. You have come to my rescue a couple of times and I appreciate it! words are very tricky especially when writing and not in person.
Yes driftwood came to mind.
Lavender is very calming, but very intense!
Hi all! If this has already been posted I apologize, as I'm not able to keep up. Wanted to share in case. GOP lawmaker swaps parties
Also in case you missed it President Carter and Mattie Stepanek were writing a book when Mattie died. ABC interviewed Carter and Mattie's Mom. Just Peace
how low can he go?
Bush ratings continue to drop to new lows
NBC/WSJ poll: Majority now prefer a Democrat-controlled Congress
By Mark Murray
Political reporter
NBC News
Updated: 6:44 p.m. ET March 15, 2006
WASHINGTON - The latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll might sound like a broken record, but the tune grows louder as congressional midterm elections get closer and closer: President Bush is once again facing the lowest job approval rating of his presidency, the lowest percentage of Americans who believe the country is headed in the right direction, and an electorate that greatly prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress over a Republican-controlled one.
Yet the poll also shows something else that goes beyond the November midterm elections: A strong majority believes Bush is experiencing a long-term setback from which he’s unlikely to recover. “He’s losing his grip on governance,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican Bill McInturff. “It’s now a sense that we’ve seen the best that he’s going to produce as president of the United States.”
Yup, a canary in a coal mine sounds just about right.
Hello All,
Censure is not enough - Bush should be impeach and then turned over to the World Court.
I know this is to much to expect but we need to show the rest of the world that Americans will not allow a leader to pull this type of crap.
Did a search on Justice O'Connor and found this link O'Connor Speaks Out.
Since this is an open thread.....
I just returned home from a year with the Army in Afghanistan, where things have gotten a little more violent as late, particularly in the eastern provinces such as Kunar and Paktika. After my awful experience there, I hate hate hate this administration and all of their crap. I am so ready for something else. Here is the problem...
Point 1:
I pick up the NY Times, and there is an article in the magazine about some former Taliban guy studying at Yale. Several liberals apparently think this is great, and they even threw a fundraiser in Jackson Hole to pay his way. I can't believe this crap!!! What is wrong with these people! My interpreter, an intelligent and open minded young man, was jailed and beaten by the Taliban. Would they support him going to Yale!! I think not.
Point 2:
Hackett in Ohio, strong dude stands for what he believes in. Democrats force him out...WHY WHY WHY!!!!
I am disgusted with all Americans at this point. Fat, lazy, self-centered, and greedy bastards all!!!
I would love to be a Democrat, just let me know when they come back to the ideals of FDR and JFK
Disgruntled Veteran
Trisha on March 15, 2006 at 05:25 PM
Russ2008 bumperstickers: email rdf08@att.net
Also Feingold 2008 (This is a private citizen and paid for by a private citizen....not me, though.)
Interesting unofficial website, not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committeee is: www.russforpresident.com
Also visit Feingold's PAC: www.progressivepatriotfund.com
Ranger, you're an intelligent man. Read. Enlighten yourself. No one has to tell a man of experience what the truth is. Don't blame others. Get on board and help.
ranger995
welcome home...and thank you for your service. while i share your angst, my feelings are directed toward the people who chose to elect Jean Schmidt and not Hackett...
you didn't mention John Kerry...any comments on him? we'd love to see a link on the story to which you refer...sounds like it could be urban legand.
anyway, welcome to the blog
Hello everyone!
Bay State Jim, that's a powerful story about Justice O'Connor. One of my blogger-buds said something like, "too late blondie, you knew what would happen."
i agree with Sandy. She knew. pfffffft
Ranger: What is it really like in Afghanistan? Do the women still have to wear berkas or be beaten? Is their infrastructure up and running? Schools? Can girls go to school? BTW, I am a liberal and would never support and confessed Taliban member.
I have a comment on John Kerry, I will quote myself prior to the election; "there is no way the American people are going to elect a phony war hero and hairball like John F'n Kerry"
And, of course, I was correct.
...and Ranger...don't paint with such a broad brush...there are fat, lazy bastards in this country (mostly Republican) but that is who you fought to defend.(?) I came back from Korea. I know some of the feelings you have. Give yourself some time...but in the meantime become part of the sollution.
Where been all this time Sally/Steve? Did I "conjure" you up by mentioning your name last night?
I would love to be a Democrat, just let me know when they come back to the ideals of FDR and JFK
Disgruntled Veteran
Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 09:10 PM
People with the ideals of FDR and JFK are called trolls here.
So, Sally, they appoint a phoney hairball for acting presidunce
fade2bluz,
The article was in the New York Times magazine, which comes with the Sunday edition of the New York Times, and unless the interviews with Rahmatullah (The Taliban Member mentioned above) and Yale's presdident are fake, then probably not urban legend. I do not have a link, but it was on Sunday March 4th. The entire article is devoted to this former Taliban spokesman. OOO it makes me so mad. These guys were shooting at me and killing people with IEDs. I would not have a problem with an Afghan getting some schooling here, but the Taliban? Meanwhile, non Taliban people are getting tortured in Guantanamo--What a world.
No, Domingo, I just hadn't read this blog in a long time and had the urge to join in. What did you say about me?
Sally, what I can't understand is how did Junior win when almost 60% of Americans think he's a moron. Care to explain that for me?
It is fun to see you all fighting amongst yourself with talk of third parties and such.
Sally, Are you being paid to blog? How much does it take to get anyone to side with the thugs these days? I'd definately tell them you deserve more money!!!
Where is the young Obama and his strong Illinois, senior senator Dick Durbin? Why can't the mid-western senators join Russ Feingold. We need the MW to take the lead and bring the rally for Bush's censure, and press the Republicans on issues of corruption. We need to make the heart of the country declare they are true BLUE believers in the country's future.
The American public is at great odds with their government, and would place most of the blame on the Republican majority. We must continue to distance ourselves from the corrupting, dark forces of Bush and his allies. The righteous public will serve them early retirement come next election, payback. But the public needs to know who the dogs are and who the reformers are.
I told them what you told us about you get back on once you're banned.
Why do trolls often use numbers in their names? Posted by BlueinIdaho on March 14, 2006 at 12:05 PM
because they only know a few letters. Posted by gregg on March 14, 2006 at 12:08 PM
Good one gregg, but that's not why. Sally*/Steve explained it to us a couple of years ago. See, he first comes on with the name "Sally*", and the password "SkunkSally". Then as soon as he gets banned he comes right back on as "Sally1*", with the password "SkunkSally1". After the next banning it becomes "Sally2*", and the password "SkunkSally2" and so on. He's gone through a couple hundred of these already, and it can go on forever until his ISP (Internet Service Provider) address gets blocked.
Posted by Domingo on March 14, 2006 at 09:15 PM
I haven't seen the poll where 60% of Americans think W is a moron.
His poll numbers are low now because the base is pissed. They are mainly pissed on immigration and not using enough muscle to bring Iraq under control.
methinks ranger995 may be bogus. Sally is a quick change artist
Posted by Domingo on March 14, 2006 at 09:15 PM
Posted by Domingo on March 15, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Oh, I expected worse. You can also add extra symbols instead of numbers as I did tonite. But, I do have to re register everytime and choose a new name because the former one is forever banned.
Hey, Sally...how you doin'?
There are definitely two wings in our party, much like what we see in yours...radicals highjacked yours with the notKristian/notRight and the Jack-off greed-gang, Claude the shoplifter abstinance only kid, Delay is going down...
how are you gonna put that genie back in the bottle? Who is your pick after Bush? (assuming they agree to an election in 2008)
xdebx,
In Kabul, where tons of destruction from the ethnic wars is evident, there is a true sense of happiness and desire to move forward. People are genuinely happy to see Americans, and other coalitions forces around. There is lots of construction and very rare incidents of violence.
In Kunar, people are rather indifferent, mostly because there is still a lot of violence there. Planes constantly flying overhead dropping bombs, etc....
As far as women are concerned. In Kabul they are very liberated. They work, teach, shop, and move about freely. In Kunar, women are never seen unless they are in Burkhas. The atmosphere is extremely hostile toward women. A Woman not wearing a burkha outside of the house can be raped and then executed for seducing the man who raped her. This is not legend, I know firsthand. I have seen a man herding his wives with a stick, like a cattle prod. Some women in Kabul wear burkhas because they are afraid of being harrassed by men from outside the city.
Typical pug...not clever enough to answer questions that hit too close to home. Come on liar/crook gotta be in there somewhere, I mean after all that's what pugs are.
billy the kid...cute...are you billybobo too?
you crack me up...must be pretty scary for you, seeing all this grass roots emotionalism...could lead to a voter turnout that will turn out the thugs, theives and losers...at least a few
OK, I'll let you read about the poll yourself.
President Bush is once again facing the lowest job approval rating of his presidency, the lowest percentage of Americans who believe the country is headed in the right direction, and an electorate that greatly prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress over a Republican-controlled one.
Indeed, it’s the situation in Iraq that appears to be at the heart of Bush’s problems. According to the poll — which was taken of 1,005 adults from March 10-13, and which has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points — 61 percent disapprove of Bush’s handling of the situation. Moreover, 57 percent are less confident that the war in Iraq will come to a successful conclusion, which is a seven-point increase since December. And 61 percent say the United States should reduce the number of troops there, while just 31 percent want to maintain the current troop level.
“Everything comes back around to the war,” Hart says. “That seems to set up the president’s basic problem and his basic challenge.”
Republican pollster McInturff puts it this way: “It is hard to pivot … when every day the core decision in your presidency is Iraq” — and the situation there appears grim.
Looking ahead to the midterm elections in November, the poll shows that 50 percent prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress versus 37 percent who want it controlled by Republicans.
In the next election, the Democrats are not likely to pick up the portion of the Republican base that has temporarily abandoned him. I think the Republicans choose Guliani (SP) his abortion stance and all. The war on terror is the number one issue and abortion will be in the hands of the Supreme Court by then.
Sally,
Why is the Republican base pissed that Bush is failing in Iraq? Presumably you are a supporter of his, a retarded Republican, and you praised all of his stupid invasion plans. Are a flip-flopper?
Well Sally, you and everyone on this site are united. We are pissed with the President's handling of Iraq. We all hate a looser. Isn't the Iraq war his showpiece for the War on Terror? We all are united in not wanting to surrender to fanatic, religiious nuts, like Al Queda and the 700 Club.
Let's get rid of all the nuts in the world, so go dissappear Sally.
do you suppose Salley uses two or more computers to blog...? Making the quick change easier?
Ranger,I feel for you.I hope I don't make everyone mad,but I've had it with them all,except for Russ Feingold. I am so sorry you had such a bad experience.There is hope for this country with people like you. I want to thank you for your sevice.You are appreciated and you are a hero. Why Russ Feingold?
Because he too,is fighting for us!http://www.russforpresident.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=4&Itemid=36
See, most people don't like Republicans and want Democrats to be in charge, so why do Republicans keep winning? Or at least say they won? Is it election rigging? Or maybe it's because his followers wear "Red State Spexs"?
Tom Tomorrow
Hey Fade, whatever happened to all the regulars here? Where is Schube?
Claude is a negro, he has every right to shoplift after 400 years of oppression.
Ranger, my last post was directed at Sally...hope you didn't misunderstand.
Thanks for sharing about Afghanistan. I'm glad to see at least some of the country allows women to be something other than chattle. I saw a special on TV just before the Afghan war started where women were executed just because their husband accused them of infidelity. They weren't even allowed to defend themselves. At that time w promised to liberate the country from the Taliban and even send the girls to school. And, of course, get Bin Ladin.
I fell for it then, sadly. But no more...the dems aren't perfect, but the thugs are lying, warmongers.
Glad you made it home safely, BTW. And thank you for all that you have endured.
America’s deficit in the broadest measure of international trade surged to a record high of $804.9 billion last year as the U.S. went deeper into debt to foreigners.
The deficit in the current account was up 20.4 percent from the previous record of $668.1 billion set in 2004, the Commerce Department said Tuesday.
followthemoney,
I assure you that I am real, and it bothers me that you immediately think that anyone who questions stuff must be a troll. How very republican of you. I came here trying to get back something. I just wanted to discuss stuff intelligently, and I have to deal with your crap.
Ranger, I have seen lots of guys "come back"...none profess to be angry in the way you do. There is a deffinant immaturity and lack of depth in the way you say what you say. What was your unit...where did you take basic, what is TOE?
Dems, now is your chance to start framing these topics surrounding the Bush Administration in time for the reality of the situation to sink in to the heads of all Americans! Your GOAL DATE is NOT Novemer 2006; Your goal date is JUNE 2006! Why? Because the DEMS should convince Americans to REGISTER TO VOTE FAR IN ADVANCE OF THE ELECTION so the polls are flooded!
You must start NOW, IMMEDIATELY! (Embrace Sen. Feingold's effort as the seredipitous launch of this crucial drive!)
You are the LEADERS with the INSIDE information on what is going on. DO YOUR JOB and REPORT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE as you would report to any other employer who wants to know how the bunsiness is going!
TELL EVERYBODY HOW THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT IS GOING--and NOT going! Let the people know the truth, tell the Citizenry exactly what the MEDIA isn't adequately informing them about! Clarify what Bush&Co lie have confused, and what the Corporate Media has complicitly failed to sort out.
Bush and CO. have HIJACKED this Nation and is duping the Citizenry. This is the truth. And this is our last chance to tell the people about it!
Bush -- in his hokey flight jacket -- has hijacked this Nation like a terrorist hijacks an airplane. And the majority of Americans want clear talk AND ACTION about it, and only the Elected Leadership can provide that with instant credibility! Bold courage and standing firm with clear-speaking are the ingrediants that will make plain old elected officials into the HEROES the American Citizenry will embrace, support, and THANK for saving this Nation from the Bush Crime Cabal that is stealing from us, confiscating our public assets, in natural disasters and in foreign lands.
Take your campaign ad dollars and forget the goofy short ads that do nothing but add to the confusion. Purchase whole segments on radio and talk clearly and urgently about the reality, just as you would for any other public emergency. Explain you are forgoing usual ads, because this is not a usual situation. Break the mold now, before Bush&Co makes it impossible to do so.
This is it. There's no luxury of time to mull over this stuff anymore! The Tortoises in the Democratic Party have to allow the Hares in the Democratic Party to win the race. Those who love analysis and policy first and foremost must allow those who excel at action and contact to PERFORM!
I never said we were failing in Iraq. But Victory is taking too long and could be speeded up.
Claude is a negro, he has every right to shoplift after 400 years of oppression.
Posted by Sally__** on March 15, 2006 at 09:39 PM
ROTFLMAO...Schube is probably exercising right about now...he's lost thirty pounds and was in the process of buying a house, so he's been busy. i miss him.
Russ and McCain lead campaign finance reform.
Russ is asking for censure of Bush's illegal spying.
Russ voted against going into IRaq under Bush, and his speech was exceptional.
We have a real leader in Russ.
Kerry and Hillary pale in comparison, but they are still much better choices than the BrokeBack Cowboys screwing the nation.
Claude is a negro, he has every right to shoplift after 400 years of oppression.
Posted by Sally__** on March 15, 2006 at 09:39 PM LOL,His salary was $170000.00 a year.
Follow the money,
Sick Sally just posts and posts and should be completely ignored, eventually he will go jerk off.
do you suppose Salley uses two or more computers to blog...? Making the quick change easier? Posted by followthemoney on March 15, 2006 at 09:37 PM
No, what I thinks going is "Sally*" finds a friend from a Right Wing blog to "relay post" for him from another computer because his ISP address is blocked. Sally/Steve always comes on with a "buddy". I'm I right Steve?
xdebx,
I agree with you, and I like what I see in Feingold. I just don't like the major moves by the party. I am sure they will make an effort to force out Feingold as well. The Hackett thing really upset me, because I thought he would stand up to the jackasses.
O J had over 10,000,000 in the bank when he murdered his wife. What is your point Diana?
I never said we were failing in Iraq. But Victory is taking too long and could be speeded up.
I asked you this many times before, what is "Victory"? I think I remember you saying that "Victory" is using Iraq as a base to invade Iran, is that right?
Posted by Domingo on March 15, 2006 at 09:46 PM
No Domingo, they were blocking ISPs but then I would just use a different one from the multitude Netscape has to choose from around the country. So when they would block an ISP they would block anyone from that ISP who wanted to post. Now the block by IP and I have to use a proxy server.
Ranger, We're pretty pist about that one too. But here are the choices. Pugs=Facism and more war and possibly nuclear annihilation. DLC=Continued catering to the corporations, but no war and fund cuts to our WMD makers. DNC=Government by the people and for the people. If we try to separate the DNC at this time the pugs win. DLC/DNC combo for now and keep fighting every election after until we own the country again.
Domingo, the only question I would have with that is...A friend? Where/how on earth would Salley find/have a 'friend'? A conspiritor, maybe.
Victory is when all of these Al Qaeda or Bathist hairballs are pushing up Daisies.
When the Democrats win a national election Wal Mart will start stocking Burqas.
Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) has alleged in a letter to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that President Bush signed a version of the Budget Reconciliation Act that, in effect, did not pass the House of Representatives.
Further, Waxman says there is reason to believe that the Speaker of the House called President Bush before he signed the law, and alerted him that the version he was about to sign differed from the one that actually passed the House. If true, this would put the President in willful violation of the U.S. Constitution.
The full text of the letter follows:
maybe an hour of something rational...a little bridge. bbl
Did you guys know that the pugs have to pay people to blog? How much Sally? Totally ask for a raise cause you're defending nixon now.
They will be available in blue or black. It won't be fair to the pretty girls but the ugly or dumpy gals might approve.
For sally,You can't fool me.http://www.warnerreprise.com/qt-ref/neilyoung_rockininthefreeworld-newcut_ref.mov
Followthemoney,
This will be the last time I am quizzed by the likes of you. I originally was a Marine so I did not go through basic, I went to Boot Camp at Paris Island in 1988. I then joined the Army, and went to Airborne, Air Assault, and Ranger class 995. I served in Afghanistan as an ETT (Embedded Training Team) member advising the Afghan National Army. I did so in Kunar, Laghman, and Nangarhar provinces. If you would like to get into this further, I can email you my DD214 from the Marines and Army, Ranger Tab Orders, My CIB, and Bronze Star orders. I forget what exactly TOE stands for, but I have known it as MTOE, and it has to do with the Task Organization of a unit for both personnel and equipment. I helped an ANA company fullfill theirs.
Now, can we talk about something like why the democrats forced out Hackett?
Victory is when all of these Al Qaeda or Bathist hairballs are pushing up Daisies.
So we have to "Kill 'em all!" then? We have to stay and babysit that country for years? Spending our country into bankruptcy doing it? That's what you want?
Uh, Sally, think you've got that one confused. It's the pugs that hate women and gays. Pugs are the ones who don't think anyone should actually enjoy themselves. No real difference between the fundamentalist Christians or Muslims.
and do we know what or if Pelosi did anything regarding the letter that Waxman wrote to her??
more canaries....
Bush to reaffirm preemption as security strategy
"President Bush plans to issue a new national security strategy Thursday reaffirming his doctrine of pre-emptive war against terrorists and hostile states with chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, despite the troubled experience in Iraq," begins a story slated for the front page of Thursday's Washington Post, RAW STORY has learned.
Excerpts from the article written by Peter Baker:
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In his revised version, Bush offers no second thoughts about the preemption policy, saying it "remains the same" and defending it as necessary for a country in the "early years of a long struggle" akin to the Cold War. In a nod to critics in Europe, the document places a greater emphasis on working in concert with allies and declares diplomacy to be "our strong preference" in tackling the threat of weapons of mass destruction.
Speaking of Nixon, here's something.
Some boys for Henry
A code of silence was upheld rigidly by those near Kissinger, the same way a Capital Hill staff might protect its alcoholic Congressman boss. Protecting Kissinger didn't involve shielding his private life from public view. It meant keeping Kissinger's personal view of Richard Nixon secret - from the public, from the press and from the President's own staff. Kissinger's basic attitude toward the President was one of loathing and contempt. Both Eagelberger and Scowcroft knew that that secret was perhaps more significant than those stored in Kissinger's safes. It's disclosure could destroy Kissinger, they felt, and the country's foreign policy as well. As the Watergate crisis intensified, keeping Kissinger in office came to be viewed by some, and that included Kissinger, Scowcroft and Eagleberger - as essential to the national security.
The three of them doubted that Nixon could handle foreign affairs without Kissinger. They believed that the key to America's foreign policy was not only Kissinger's experience and intellect, but also his stature. It was a balancing force against Nixon. If Nixon were to run foreign affairs without Kissinger, they reasoned, the sloppiness that marked his handling of Watergate, particularly the cover-up, would leave its mark on foreign policy.
Neither Eagleberger nor Scowcroft thought that all of Kissinger's negative feelings toward the President were justified. His frequent descriptions of Nixon as irrational, insecure and maniacal could at times just as easily apply to Kissinger as the President, they believed. But at least Kissinger was not sloppy. Even at his worst, Kissinger was less dangerous.
Each knew the strange history of the Nixon-Kissinger relationship intimately. What they hadn't heard from Kissinger himself they had picked up from Haig and others at NSC and State. Yet not even their knowledge was sufficient to explain the incomprehensible behavior of these two men.
In the beginning, the summer of 1968, when received the Republican presidential nomination, Kissinger was bitterly disappointed. His mentor, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York, had failed to win the nomination. Kissinger had told friends and associates that Nixon was "unfit" for the presidency, "dangerous," capable of unleashing nuclear war. Then, three weeks after his election in 1968, Nixon had asked Kissinger to serve as his national-security adviser. Meeting with the President-elect, Kissinger shifted his assessment. The man whose approach to foreign policy he had regarded as hopelessly shallow and unsophisticated appeared to him now far more subtle and complex. Kissinger detected in Nixon a pragmatism which might conquer the ideological rigidities that had marked the politics of this coldest of cold warriors. He had discussed the matter with Rockefeller. Rockefeller didn't like Nixon personally, but he urged Kissinger to accept. That way, both men could keep their feet in the door. The forty-five-year-old Harvard professor took the job.
Through William P. Rogers, an old Nixon friend, had been named Secretary of State, Kissinger was in control of most of the foreign-policy and national-security paper flow to the president. Installed in the West Wing basement, Kissinger aspired to a personal relationship with Nixon similar to the one he had with Rockefeller, in which two men guided by the same general approach to foreign affairs reached decisions jointly.
Instead, Kissinger found himself screened off from the President by the bureaucratic stops that Haldeman had created at Nixon's direction. Just like every other member of the new Administration, Kissinger dealt with Nixon primarily on paper, not in the easygoing, informal kind of conversation he had enjoyed with Rockefeller. Both Haldeman and Ehrlickman, he complained, were determined to him at a distance from Nixon. The President's two principal aides were "idiots" and "Nazis," he said. What kind of man would surround himself with such imbeciles? For their part, Haldeman and Ehrlickman openly ridiculed Kissinger: he could not be trusted because of his liberal friends. Ehrlickman half jokingly insinuated that Kissinger was "queer", and wondered aloud to Kissinger assistants whether Henry, a divorced bachelor, would know what to do to with a girl at a Georgetown cocktail party. "Were there any boys at the party for Henry?" Ehrlickman once asked, pleased with his own joke.
from the book The Final Days
Why not ignore Sally, and discuss something.
I guess I have to go somewhere else to do that.
I did go to a meeting of the Labor party a few weeks back, and I liked what I saw a lot.
And followthemoney, I have every right to be pissed. I thought I was going over to help fight the war on terror. That is not what we are doing, so I am officially out of the military as of today---I just finished my termial leave.
Anyway, xdebx, I will vote democrat because what other choice do I have. However, I probably won't like it.
As for John Kerry, I voted for him. From what I see, he used to really stand for something, but politics just got him a little confused. Oh well.
No real difference between the fundamentalist Christians or Muslims.
Posted by xdebx on March 15, 2006 at 10:01 PM
There are several big differences, Fundamentalist Christians do not fly airplanes full of passengers into buildings, they don't blow themselves up to kill others, they don't behead people and they don't disembowel children in order to enter heaven.
Now, can we talk about something like why the democrats forced out Hackett?
Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 09:59 PM
gather youself, stand tall and quit whining...educate yourself on the issues and present a coherent argument.
Ask Hackett why he quit...you may be supprised.
That Talaban guy going to yale,that makes alot of sence.Check this out. Scholars Question Cheney's Role in 9/11 http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060313/bs_prweb/prweb357922_1
Follow: You're being too hard on Ranger...he's not Sally. He just is in the same boat as us in that he doesn't understand that the dems range from those who really like the corporate money to those that are willing to take our country back from the corporations.
Ranger, what topic?
Sally...ignoring you unless you answer whether or not you are being paid to blog.
ranger, you have a right to be pissed. you came to the right place...i highly recommend mike malloy on air america radio...
i like to go to bed "screaming"...as the promo goes
we're all pissed...but most of us have been activists for a long time. i'm glad to see you here...come back and speak your mind. even if we disagree, it's good to have your point of view.
we love our constitution...on this, we all agree
Now, can we talk about something like why the democrats forced out Hackett? Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 09:59 PM
The quote-unquote "Democrats" did not "force out" Paul Hackett. The DLC Democrats tried to talk him out of running because they don't like anti-Bush Democrats in the Party.
And followthemoney, I have every right to be pissed. I thought I was going over to help fight the war on terror. That is not what we are doing
You're absolutly right about one thing, Ranger...anyone who has worn a uniform, looked down a gun barrell in hostile action and then found that why they thought they were doing it was not really WHY they were doing it has a right to be pissed.
And, if we are not "fighting terror" (and I agree) then what are we doing?
Followthemoney,
Ok, this is my last post to you. Educate myself on the issues? What friggen issues are you refering too? What issues have I even mentioned other than Hackett and an article I read in the NY Times magazine. Is it immature as you say to get angry about an article. Why don't you educate yourself about the types of students Yale is taking on like Ernesto Zedillo, etc... What do you know about me you jerk!
The reason why I am mad about Hackett is that I just saw him getting interviewed on TV about why he left the race. He was asked to by Schumer and other Democrats to quit.
I think that YOU are the troll. Before I even get a chance to talk about any issues you start calling me names and challenging my validity. Then you tell me to educate myseld about the issues, when we haven't even talked about one.
I am very well read, and I don't like to discuss issues that I don't know anything about.
You seem to jump down people's throats before they have a chance to speak.
Thanks for being so open minded and willing to talk about things.
You know what, scew this--go ahead and follow the money jackass!!
Whatever happened to that muslim guy who used to post here? He never answered my several well thought out questions. Like:
IF I disembowel several children and then blow myself up killing several others and I get to heaven and am issued my 72 virgins; what happens when I use up a virgin and she is no longer a virgin? Am I issued a new virgin or am I now down to 71 virgins and eventually no virgins at all?
Look at the mug on this guy, and that mouth. doesn't he look like a smirking chimp?
Ranger...take the soapbox, tell us what a soldier is thinking and feeling after being used for corporate gains, none of the which the working class will see.
Feingold should be supported by EVERY Single Democrat but as we are learning that is not to be. Democrats in Congress are thinking of their own elections and how to win the vote. It is really sad to see that they care less about the truth and will not stand up.
Hackett To his supporters: "Just get over it, move on ... "There's no point in sitting around saying 'what if ... ' '' http://education.apple.com/education/ilife/project_template.php?project_id=91&subject_id=1
Domingo, there is a new commercial on TV where they show people with chimp faces...one looks exactly like w.
I am disgusted with all Americans at this point. Fat, lazy, self-centered, and greedy bastards all!!!
I think that YOU are the troll. Before I even get a chance to talk about any issues you start calling me names and challenging my validity. Then you tell me to educate myseld about the issues, when we haven't even talked about one.
I am very well read, and I don't like to discuss issues that I don't know anything about.
Now just who is it calling people names and being a whiner?
xdebx and everyone else but FTM,
Sorry for the outburst, but I came here just to get a feel for things and talk about what is going on in the Democratic party. I wanted to understand why Hackett was asked to quit by Democrats. I can't understand it. He seems to be exactly what the party needs.
I think Russ Feingold is one of the best senators out there, because he is independent. I would vote for him in a primary, and I can't believe no one is supporting him on the censure.
Like I said, I went to check out the Labor party, because they are making some noise among unions and such in South Carolina. In any case, they are pretty sound in that they have established issues that they are for, sort of like a platform. They are firm in their shared ideals--something the Democrats sorely need. There is a big tent for Democrats, but there still should be some kind of established written core issues that we pull together on and stick to. It is easy to let others set the tone, when we are just responding to their agenda. Democrats need a set agreed upon platform to push.
Taliban Student At Yale
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060301/ts_alt_afp/usattackstalibanyale_060301194657
Diana, As sad as the video is it's great to see teens caring enough to produce it.
Ken Mehlman "hearts" Joe Lieberman
Matthews: Karl Rove, who is the president's deputy chief of staff and his political adviser, has said there's a pre-9-11 thinking among Democrats. They don‘t get what you just said. Is that what you believe? Democrats don't get the world you described.
Mehlman: I think Joe Lieberman does. I think a lot of the Democratic leaders don't.
Sally...ignoring you unless you answer whether or not you are being paid to blog.
Posted by xdebx on March 15, 2006 at 10:14 PM
I wish someone would pay me but they don't. There are not enough posters here or not a large enough audience for that.
I did offer to write one liners for Ann Coulter but she hasn't answered back yet.
Courtesy of Kos, here's a list of Democrats who supported censure of Clinton but haven't come out in favor of Feingold:
Daniel Akaka, Max Baucus, Byron Dorgan, Dick Durbin, Dianne Feinstein, Daniel Inouye, Jim Jeffords, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Herb Kohl, Mary Landrieu, Carl Levin, Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln, Barbara Mikulski, Patty Murray, Jack Reed, Harry Reid, Jay Rockefeller, Chuck Schumer, Ron Wyden
Keep calling these Senators as well as your own and asking them to stand with Senator Feingold and publicly support the President's censure.
More on the Taliban ambassador/student from the Wall Street Journal:
Bookman,
Thanks for posting that article. That isn't the one I was referring to, rather it seems like some kind of response. In any case, it just bothered me.
The US State Department said that there was nothing improper about giving a visa to a former spokesman for the Taliban who has been studying at prestigious Yale University.
unbef#ckinlievable
Ranger - I can't access the NYT article. It's by subscription.
George Bush isn't Bill Clinton and lying about sex sure isn't the same as breaking the law to spy on American citizens. This is much more serious and the Democrats need to stand with Feingold and be counted. http://www.russforpresident.com/
The country is so ready to move away from the pugs. I spend my free time writing/calling Senators and Congressmen and women and insisting that they stand up. The main problem is that the media crucifies anyone who speaks out against the neo-cons and the media covers for the neo-cons. Anyone without a pc is being brainwashed by the media and even those with a pc must hunt for the truth. The dems are scared and scarred...I'm doing my best to have their backs if they'll just stand up to the corruption.
FYI:
Rep. Luther Johnson (D.-Texas), in the debate that preceded the Radio Act (predecessor to the Fairness Act) of 1927 said: "American thought and American politics will be largely at the mercy of those who operate these stations, for publicity is the most powerful weapon that can be wielded in a republic. And when such a weapon is placed in the hands of one person, or a single selfish group is permitted to either tacitly or otherwise acquire ownership or dominate these broadcasting stations throughout the country, then woe be to those who dare to differ with them. It will be impossible to compete with them in reaching the ears of the American people."
There is a big tent for Democrats, but there still should be some kind of established written core issues that we pull together on and stick to. It is easy to let others set the tone, when we are just responding to their agenda. Democrats need a set agreed upon platform to push.
Posted by ranger995
That "big tent" includes pro-Republican Democrats and anti-Republican Democrats. They can't agreed upon platform to push. One group wants to stop Republican tyrany and crime, and the other group wants to suport it.
The Senators that supported censure of Clinton were doing so as an alternative to impeachment. It was a different situation-those Senators were on Clinton's side.
Furthermore, this guy only has a fifth grade education, and no HS diploma. I wonder which 3.8 student got declined because of him. He's studying terrorism and its effects, BTW.
A soldier who has had his finger along side an m16 trigger for a couple of years has more reserve than an 18 year old kid who still has zitts and can't discuss an issue without flipping out of control. What do you know about SC politics, ranger? That gets close to my area.
Domingo,
I agree, but there has to be something, not political, but some issues that are common. For example:
As a ______, I am for universal health care, a woman's right to choose. fair wages for all, a true free market--free from corporate monopolies, protecting the environment from special interests, etc... These are the things that bring our many faces together.
Core issues we could constantly bring the topic back to. That is what the republicans did. We all know what all republicans stand for, everything else they differ on, but there is a core set of issues they push. That is how they win elections, we just respong to their tyranny. Let's set a new tone. Let's constantly bring the conversations to what is important.
Like I said, I went to check out the Labor party, because they are making some noise among unions and such in South Carolina. In any case, they are pretty sound in that they have established issues that they are for, sort of like a platform. They are firm in their shared ideals--something the Democrats sorely need. There is a big tent for Democrats, but there still should be some kind of established written core issues that we pull together on and stick to. It is easy to let others set the tone, when we are just responding to their agenda. Democrats need a set agreed upon platform to push.
Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 10:29 PM
For someone who claims to have gotton out of the Army today this is pretty strong opinion about what we should do in our political arena. How does one fall in with the "Labor" party on the day they get out of the Army?
FTM,
I know that the Labor party has enough support down there from disgruntled Union members to establish themselves and field candidates for local office. Why are they so disgruntled? Because the Democrats have forgotten them. The Dems expect their vote, but won't adress any of their issues. In come the Labor people, who really seem to be rallying around the workers. Just what South Carolina needs. I would love to see some third party people get into office. Maybe that would wake the Dems up.
FTM,
I have not fallen in love with the Labor party, and I have not been a member of any party for a little while. I just like the way they are focused on what is important to them, and passionate about it. I used to be a member of the Democratic party, but I won't financially support them again until they start getting some passion and strength.
With the internet the way it is, it is easy to keep track of issues, even in Afghanistan. When I was not on mission, I read the papers, and looked into things. Better than playing video games. Are you going to challenge me on everything and not talk about the topics that I am writing about?
Ranger, I think this is the info you are seeking.
Annual Report to the Grassroots
I am a huge Wes Clark fan. The guy is brilliant and one of those people that want to do what is right, not what makes them and their friends rich. Check out securingamerica.com if you haven't already.
Core issues we could constantly bring the topic back to. That is what the republicans did. We all know what all republicans stand for, everything else they differ on, but there is a core set of issues they push. That is how they win elections,
I'd say the "problem" is we don't know what the Republicans stand for, what we know is what they say they stand for, and it's all lies. They say they "stand for" freedom, while they take our freedoms away. Sure, they stand for more "freedom" for rich folks, but the rest of they want to turn into slaves. They say they "stand for" less government, but they make the government as big as they can. They increase it's size, but only for means of controlling it's citizens, not for helping them out. See the last point. They say they "stand for" less taxes, but they wont tell you they only stand for less taxes for the people rich enough to give them some money. They want "the little people" to be the ones to pay all the country's taxes, but they can't tell them that because there aren't enough poor voters vs rich voters, and they need to fool enough suckers to win. The only why I see to counter this is by exposing their lies. That's why I blog.
xdebx,
Ok, that is what I was looking for, but look at the core values. They are vague things like
Good Education for all
Who is not for that, but what do they mean specifically? Republicans make the same claim, and what did we get? No child left behind, a policy--a crappy policy--but a spelled out policy. Tax breaks for rich people who send their kids to private school.
How about: We are for improving the public education system so that everyone has access to a good education.
Then put forward a proposal for exactly what that means. How about something like setting higher standards for teacher certification, and investing in better wages and benefits for teachers who serve in public schools.
And what about Health care, just what is the party proposing? Are we finally backing universal healthcare, like Howard Dean? Or are we supporting the free market BS?
That is what I mean, put some meat behind the phrases, and get everyone on message.
Howdy again, ALL
It just gets WORSE for the Chimp.. The Pew Research Poll has Alky the Crack-Head at 33%
If he goes any lower, we'll have to dig a hole to see Lieberman's face.
PEEEEWWWWWWW!!!!!!
xdebx,
I have to admit that I do not know much about Clark, I will check out that website. I did like Howard Dean a lot, he did have a few issues that he actually had proposals for. I did not get to see a lot of Clark, but I sort of hate officers, especially generals. I hear that he is real intelligent and thoughtful. Maybe we'll see more of him this time around.
Domingo,
Certainly republicans are liars, and they claim to be for things like Freedom. However, they do have a specific policy agenda that they keep bringing the conversation back to. These are things that are not as vague as Freedom such as:
Deregulation of business
Tax breaks
Opening up public land for private corporations
Limiting Abortion
Tax breaks for rich kids at private schools
Then they take these policies and attach words like Freedom, Clean Air, and No child left behind. We need to have some policies beyone "good education"
Kerry is on board...Kos is wrong
Posted by fade2bluz on March 15, 2006 at 10:43 PM Great news. The rest will too,they just need to see the light.. Check this out from today:
Pelosi; Democrats'Unified' Agenda The Democrats' real agenda involves the censure and possible impeachment of President George W. Bush.
In a speech to the Communications Workers of America on Tuesday, Pelosi mentioned Democrats' opposition to outsourcing. She said Democrats will end tax subsidies for companies that send jobs overseas.
She also said Democrats support the "right of all Americans to organize," a sentiment that goes over well with labor unions such as the CWA.
To protect workers who want to join unions, Pelosi said Democrats are "fighting" to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, sponsored by Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) in the House and Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) in the Senate. "The bill will guarantee that when a majority of workers in a company want a union, they will get a union," Pelosi said.
Democrats also support an increase in the minimum wage. Pelosi, describing the income of corporate American CEOs as "immoral," used Wal-Mart to make her point:
"I was told that an entry level person at Wal-Mart, who works his or her entire career at Wal-Mart, would make as much as the CEO makes in two weeks. A lifetime of work versus two weeks in the executive suite -- this is not America, this is not fairness, this is not the basis of a strong middle class that is essential for our democracy. We must change that in our country," she said.
Pelosi also mentioned the Democrats' "Innovation Agenda" to maintain America's leadership role in the global economy.
America lags behind other countries that have universal broadband deployment, Pelosi said; but the Democrats' agenda "guarantees" that every American will have affordable access to broadband within five years. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200603%5CPOL20060315b.html
From the meat of that Pew Survey:
In a Word, Incompetent
(snip)
The single word most frequently associated with George W. Bush today is "incompetent,"and close behind are two other increasingly mentioned descriptors: "idiot" and "liar." All three are mentioned far more often today than a year ago.
Good night Ranger. Glad to have you home safe. You and I and the rest of the people who seee the problems are the change. Call/write/fax and make the politicians give us back our country.
thanks Diana-- good one!
{{{DPD}}} incompetent, idiot and liar--that's a start
have you read "The Final Word is Hooray"? Did you post it?
fair.org
Support the troops and Generals!
Support a full draft, to allow these republican sons and daughters to go fix Iraq.
Support the troops and generals; support a full draft to send the chicken hawks offsprings to a war they created.
"The Final Word Is Hooray!"
No, {{fade}} I didn't post that, but I read it earlier today. Where are tha mea culpa's from these glorified stenographers?
Please get a copy of the letter signed by Cheney and Rumsfield requesting Clinton to go to war in Iraq posted on the website for all to see.
I'll bet this is why O'Conner quit. What do you think?
Justice Ginsburg Reveals Details of Threat
WASHINGTON - Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she and former Justice Sandra Day O'Connor have been the targets of death threats from the "irrational fringe" of society, people apparently spurred by Republican criticism of the high court.
Ginsburg revealed in a speech in South Africa last month that she and O'Connor were threatened a year ago by someone who called on the Internet for the immediate "patriotic" killing of the justices.
Security concerns among judges have been growing.
Conservative commentator Ann Coulter joked earlier this year that Justice John Paul Stevens should be poisoned.
Yahoo News
Here it is, Hybrid
PNAC LETTER TO CLINTON DEMANDING AN IRAQ WAR, 1998
The only way to defeat a chicken hawk is to be more hawkish, be more nationistic, become a bigger supporter of war.
Send the chicken hawks kids to war...then determine if they still want to profiteer from the war.
WillieD--interesting theory...very plausible. i'm inclined to agree
DPD, i'm taking my copy with me everywhere...and will torment every single one of the fox-watching, drooling idiots that voted for this rat bastard...along with a one page printout of the constitution's Bill of Rights, a copy of Buying the Bush Line on Iran Nukes from FAIR.org and Nader's study What's Not Talked About on Sunday Morning Talk Shows.
have i mentioned how much i hate these rat bastards?
DPD...unbelievable...I'm sending copies to as many news sources as I can.
Thanks Domingo. We need to encourage the DNC to stand up to the media and demand that hateful rhetoric cease and desist. Better yet start suing them for every hate crime in the country until somebody starts paying attention.
Hello Friends,
Anyone still here? I hope ya'll like the addition to my username.It's the least I can do. ;D
FreedomOfSpeechforRussFeingold2008,I love your user name,Here's a song for you. http://www.warnerreprise.com/qt-ref/neilyoung_rockininthefreeworld-newcut_ref.mov It's up to the the rest of the Democrats to do what Feingold has: to show that they're not incompetent, they're not corrupt, and most of all, that they stand for something. It might help if the majority of Americans who support Feingold on this did something other than answer polls, post to blogs, or gripe at the dinner table. Call, write, fax, and e-mail senators. Call talk shows. Write letters to editors. Get out on the streets. Be visible. Spread the word that holding the President of the United States accountable for his actions under the law is not only constitutionally mandated, is not only good for the country, but is also good politics. And that regardless of party, if the people currently in Congress won't do their jobs in this respect, they'll be replaced by people who will.
Diana,
I have done all but get out on the streets and be visible.I've only lived in this region for two years,but if theres one thing I learned it's that Midwesterners won't go out in cold wether like this unless there's a Packer Game or they are out "deer huntin" don't ya'know? LOL
So,I have noone to organize with in that respect.I just wish we could have masses of people all across this nation standing in front of Senators offices or homes chanting
"Grow A Pair!"
"Grow A Pair!"
"Grow A Pair!"
.....now, that would be funny.Ha Ha Ha Ha !
Freedom,HahaLOL"Grow A Pair!"
"Grow A Pair!"
"Grow A Pair!"
.....now, that would be funny.Ha Ha Ha Ha !I love that. I think I will change my name to dianaforRussFeingold2008. Just on other blogs.
FYI for anyone who is interested...I've got some pictures from the We Believe launch posted at Faithful Ohio, as well links and excerpts from some of the news coverage.
Thank you Renee, I also share in common your strong belief that we must act and speak in public ways to support the poor, the children, and those who are voiceless and unrepresented in our times.Heres a video you may like.This is from children's Social Studies class.http://education.apple.com/education/ilife/project_template.php?project_id=91&subject_id=1
Al frankin is on the Comedy channel,He may run for senate.hmm...
Hey Sally, u sukkkk.
Check this out, the Axis of Evil 5 years after the dumb Fu*k Cowboy coined the phrase is stronger than ever. Bush challenged them, and he is losing a war in Iraq. I quess he would choose to fight 5 more losing wars.
It's good that Bush will be gone soon so we democrats can gain the oval office and use diplomacy when appropriate, and war only as a desperate option. We will avoid the senseless murder of our troops and avoid leaving scores of innocent citizens in the US and Iraq vulnerable to the swords of mad men. We don't like the appearance of being loosers, and we don't think the people of this country should subserve the interests of coward businessmen like Dick Cheney adn GW Bush.
To the U.S. Congress...
George Bush's approval rating is at 33% which means 66% or a term you should understand...TWO THIRDS MAJORITY...disappoves of this imposters performance.
So,I have a little Black Gospel Church song for ya.Here goes.You have to clap with this one.
America's trying to tell you somethin
America's trying to tell you somethin
Maybe, America's trying to teeeeeeeeeee
ll you somethin
Posted by coolman on March 16, 2006 at 01:52 AM
Wrong Foolman, Iraq is crippled, Libya has surrendered it's nuclear weapons, IRAN IS NOT EVER GONNA HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON Syria will be toast and I am sure they have a plan in place to free North Korea.
God help us if the Democrats take over and try to use diplomacy with buttplugs like Al Qaeda or Iran.
The Democrats will never take over because the party is gonna split. It is easy to see what Feingold is up to. He wants to be the Strom Thurmon of 2008. He won't be the Democrat candidate but he will capture the base. So he will form a new party-the Pussy Party perhaps-the PPs. He will capture all of you left wing nutballs - 20% of the Democrats 50% leading to a 60% - 40% Republican landslide.
Hey Foolman don't you also post as a homo who is dying from aids because you have a Constitutional right to buggery?
Sally,Do you watch Faux News?While it would seem that misperceptions are derived from a failure to pay attention to the news, in fact, overall, those who pay greater attention to the news are no less likely to have misperceptions. Among those who primarily watch Fox, those who pay more attention are more likely to have misperceptions.
The level of misperceptions varies according to Americans’ political positions. Supporters of President Bush and Republicans are more likely to have misperceptions.
I just loved this quote
"I am sure they have a plan in place to free North Korea."
Just pull your head out of you ass and drink some more kool-aid
Most of the Women who post here have in fact grown a pair. (No I don't wanna see)
Most of the "men" who post here are homos. Not Schubert or Domingo but just about everyone else. Anyone else notice that? I mean they blame Reagan for the fact that they have aids - like Reagan is the one who Butt fu***d them. Well for 20 years we have known that you catch aids from Buttf***ing so if you have had that disease for less than 20 years, and even if Reagan is the one who Butt fu***d you, well duh - you shoulda known better.
Those of you who haven't caught aids yet should avoid Buttf***ing and wear goggles when you are doing it the other way.
I think I have saved many lives tonite.
seeya in a couple of months unless something interesting happens -- nite nite.
Posted by diana on March 16, 2006 at 03:20 AM
I would be happy to post a response but your post was to incoherent to respond to.
Sally,
I think Diane was saying that the more you watch Faux news, the less you understand. Your reply (or lack of one) just proves it.
Nite Nite.....
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 03:03 AM
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"Get the behind me Satan.What the heck was that?"
Hey Sally,
You can disagree with folks all you want, but keep your stank nazi mouth off of Russ Feingold.Ya'll wish ya'll could compare him to someone......anyone so you can dismiss his position.Too bad,this one can't be placed in a box.You can't lable Russ Feingold.I know you Republicans become "SCARED LITTLE CATS!" when ya'll see him coming.You Republicans got NOTHING that comes close to matching up to Russ Feingold.What? That Mormon Cult Kristian from the South? Nope.Your party will never recognoze the Morman "fake" Faith as Christianity. So,who else you got? Wait.....((((That "AINT" corrupt?)))) Huh? Who do you have? NO BODY! So,I got a little song for ya'll WAR mongering MILITARY state republicans.......Here it goes.You gotta march to this one.Sing with me.
(ME) I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU BEEN TOLD....
(YOU) I don't know what you been told....
(ME) AMERICA'S READY FOR RUSS FEINGOLD
(YOU) America's ready for Russ Feingold
(ME) HE'S GOT GUTS AND HE'S GOT GAUL....
(YOU) He's got gut's and he's got gaul
(ME) HE'S THE ONLY ONE WITH BALLS
(YOU) He's the only one with *****
(ME) SOUND OFF
(YOU) "06"
(ME) SOUND OFF
(YOU) "08"
(ME) SOUND OFF "06" SOUND OFF "08"!
.........ATTENNNNNNN TION!
DISSMISSED..........Now,Go oh yonder back there to the plantation and tell yo massah he caint mess wit us yankees .Okay?
Freedom,
So how come you went and scared off our Troll Sally?,
Oh well. liked the cadence (sp?)
Oh I sorta get it now - those who watch Fox News are likely to get the news interpreted diffently than those who watch CBS or CNN. I never watch CBS because they forge documents to suit their stories. CNN has a heavy liberal slant. I watch Fox or MSNBC for political stories and CNN for disasters
So how come you went and scared off our Troll Sally?,
Oh well. liked the cadence (sp?)
Posted by TexasLane on March 16, 2006 at 03:43 AM
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Nope! It looks like the "Yeast Infection" is back.Ha Ha Ha Ha .EEEWWWWWW!
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechforRussFeingold2008 on March 16, 2006 at 03:37 AM
Read my posts moron, the Republican candidate will be Guliani (abortion will be in the hands of the Supreme Court by then) The Dems will nominate Hillary and Feingold will form a third party as Strom Thurmond did when he walked out of the Dem convention. Feingold will split the Dem vote and Guliani will win with 60% of the vote.
So I have written and so shall it be - now I am exiting this sewer.
Sally,
You mean,your just starting to figure that out FIVE flippen years later? Shheeeezzzzzeeeee! EDUCATE YOURSELF! See Link:
And Hillary cannot win because no candidate from either party with a huge ass has won since William Howard Taft in 1904.
So I have written and so shall it be - now I am exiting this sewer.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 03:52 AM
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Okay Jezebel......bye.
I just don't like the contrast you keep trying to make between a f*****g racist like Strom Thurmon who raped a Black Child and forced her to have his baby and a man of utmost dignity, respect and honor like Russ Feingold.I do not take your deceitful flattery too kindly.Thank you for leaving, please do (not) come back and see us again. ;D
And Republicans cannot win because no candidate from either party with a huge ass Corruption rapsheet has won since Richard Nixon .
Posted by Yeast Infection on March 16, 2006 at approx 03:57 AM
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Is that what you meant to say?
seeya in a couple of months unless something interesting happens -- nite nite.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 03:27 AM
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Like an unfortunate accident ?
Come Back Sally,I seek further clarification of the meaning of your comments that are filled with psychotic idiocy.You do know what that means do you not? .....
Definitions of idiocy on the Web:
extreme mental retardation
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
In medicine and psychology, an idiot is a person with a very severe mental retardation or a very low IQ level. Idiots were defined as people whose IQ were below 20 (with a standard deviation of 16). In the current classification, these people are now said to have profound mental retardation. The word is no longer used as a scientific term.
So,It's no longer a scientific term.That's because , it's now been adopted as a term to describe the Bush Administrations Agenda for the American people.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
Lovely Too Dumb Sally,
How is it that Iran is crippled or cornered? Now they own Iraq, they control Gaza. Syria is helping murder our soldiers in Iraq. North Korea just taunted us, again, with missle tests, and you say we are ready to "free NK"?
How is your Pakistani ally, who harbors Al Queda? Pakistan is just another Republican construct, just like Iraq 20 yrs ago.
You are correct in saying Lybia is now pretending to be pro-US.
Here is a threat for you Sally, which she'he and the dumb leader Bush can go tell the world "Watch out Iran, in 20 yrs when we are totally owned by China, and still trying to recover from the wounds of Iraq, we are going to "free" Iran if they don't already dominate us by that point."
Only stupid republicans say "free" when all they mean is dominate.
Normal Democrats,
Sorry I got so graphic with that troll.I've been over at Huffington Post where you have to be little thick skinned and aggressive with the trolls there. ;D
Russ Feingold will split the Rep vote,scoop up the Independents: the youth will think it's "cool" to be a part of a "third" party so he'll sweep that too,and Guliani will never get the nomination so they will run some far-right little nerd that noones heard of before,Hillary will run for sh*t's and giggles forcing Russ Feingold to run as an Independent Progressive who will end up winning with 60% of the vote.
So I have written and so shall it be -
Edited by FOSFRF on March 16, 2006 at approx 03:52 AM
Awwww, This is a shame.This is really a shame.I can't believe they're gonna diss my man like that. ;D ....I'm gonna post it all because it needs to be shown.I can't believe this crap.Well,I guess I can considering how I watched them treat Russ like a dog on the floor of the Senate yesterday.He was standing right next to Schumer and was ignored.Anyways,check it out!.....(I removed the partisan bull shit.)
The Feingold Resolution and the Sound of Silence
By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, March 15, 2006;
Democratic senators, filing in for their weekly caucus lunch yesterday, looked as if they'd seen a ghost.
"I haven't read it," demurred Barack Obama (Ill.).
"I just don't have enough information," protested Ben Nelson (Neb.). "I really can't right now," John Kerry (Mass.) said as he hurried past a knot of reporters -- an excuse that fell apart when Kerry was forced into an awkward wait as Capitol Police stopped an aide at the magnetometer.
Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) brushed past the press pack, shaking her head and waving her hand over her shoulder. When an errant food cart blocked her entrance to the meeting room, she tried to hide from reporters behind the 4-foot-11 Barbara Mikulski (Md.).
"Ask her after lunch," offered Clinton's spokesman, Philippe Reines. But Clinton, with most of her colleagues, fled the lunch out a back door as if escaping a fire.
In a sense, they were. The cause of so much evasion was S. Res. 398, the resolution proposed Monday by Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) calling for the censure of President Bush for his warrantless wiretapping program.
So nonplused were Democrats that even Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), known for his near-daily news conferences, made history by declaring, "I'm not going to comment." Would he have a comment later? "I dunno," the suddenly shy senator said.
Many of Feingold's Democratic colleagues agree that Bush abused his authority with the NSA spying program. And they know liberal Democratic activists are eager to see Bush censured, or worse. But they also know Feingold's maneuver could cost them seats in GOP states.
Hence the elaborate efforts to avoid comment. Five Democratic senators called a news conference yesterday to talk about the Bush budget's "dangerously irresponsible priorities" -- but three of them fled the room before allowing questions. The other two were stuck.
"Was it a good idea for Senator Feingold to bring up this resolution?" came the first question, from CNN's Ed Henry.
"He brings up some very important issues," Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) ventured.
Henry was unsatisfied. "So do you support censure, or not?
Stabenow took another stab. "It needs to have hearings," she said.
Mary Landrieu (La.) pursed her lips. "Senator Feingold has a point that he wants to make," she said. "We have a point that we want to make, talking about the budget."
"Senators," an aide interrupted, "we need to go."
Next in the Senate TV gallery came Schumer. An aide hung up a poster showing a port. The senator called the ports situation "extremely troubling." The aide hung up a poster of an Exxon cartoon. "Obscene profits," decreed Schumer, equally passionately.
CNN's Henry asked the Feingold question. Schumer ended the news conference.
Outside the Democrats' lunch downstairs, the senators were similarly agile. The number two Democratic leader, Richard Durbin (Ill.), darted out of an elevator and into lunch when he thought nobody was looking.
"I haven't made any judgment," said Jeff Bingaman (N.M.). Two minutes later, he reappeared. "I will support an alternative that would call for an investigation," he amended.
The one Democrat happy to talk was Feingold, who, in a pre-lunch chat with reporters, seemed to enjoy his colleagues' squirms. "I'm concerned about the approach Democrats are taking, which is too often cowering," he said.
Feingold, seeking liberals' support for the 2008 presidential nomination, said he wasn't motivated by politics.
After an hour of closed-door negotiations, Democrats were no closer to resolving the Feingold rift.
"Most of us feel at best it's premature," announced Sen. Christopher Dodd (Conn.). "I don't think anyone can say with any certainty at this juncture that what happened is illegal."
Dodd must not have checked with Sen. Tom Harkin (Iowa). "The president broke the law and he needs to be held accountable," he said. "Talk about high crimes and misdemeanors!" Harkin said he'll vote for the Feingold resolution -- if it comes up.
That gives Feingold two solid votes, including his own. The rest: avowedly undecided.
Schumer, leaving the lunch, still hadn't found his voice. " He's gonna talk about it," Schumer said, pointing to Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid (Nev.).
Reporters, as instructed, asked Reid where he stood. "It's a question that's been asked 33 times in the last few hours," he said. "And so, for the 34th time, I'm going to say the same thing: I'm going to wait . . .''
oh boy sally is back. i guess the court ordered institutionalization ran out.
hey it looks like bolton is really honing his diplomatic skills. lets see is ideas on reorganization for the un went down yesterday like 120 to 4 or something. great to have him as part of the "a" team ( thats the asshole team):
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 10:54 p.m. ET March 15, 2006
UNITED NATIONS - The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, Wednesday compared the threat from Iran’s nuclear programs to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States.
“Just like Sept. 11, only with nuclear weapons this time, that’s the threat. I think that is the threat,” Bolton told ABC News’ Nightline. “I think it’s just facing reality. It’s not a happy reality, but it’s reality and if you don’t deal with it, it will become even more unpleasant.”
Bolton ratcheted up the rhetoric as the five veto-holding members of the U.N. Security Council failed again to reach agreement on how to curb Iran’s nuclear ambitions after a fifth round of negotiations.
poor bush now even jessie from his home state of texas is dissin him:
By Steve Gorman
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Concerned about politicizing her favorite charity, singer-actress Jessica Simpson on Wednesday turned down a invitation to meet with U.S. President George W. Bush, a snub that left Republicans dismayed.
The apparent final word that Simpson would be a no-show at a major Republican fund-raiser with Bush and congressional leaders on Thursday night came after a day of conflicting reports from her camp and organizers of the event.
The blond star of the film "The Dukes of Hazzard" still plans to visit Washington on Thursday to lobby members of Congress on behalf of Operation Smile, a non-profit venture offering free plastic surgery for disadvantaged children overseas with facial deformities.
People close to Simpson said she declined a request to appear that same evening at the gala fund-raiser of the National Republican Congressional Committee -- even after she was offered some private face time with Bush -- because Operation Smile is a non-partisan group.
Posted by gregg on March 16, 2006 at 06:08 AM
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Yeah,I caught a wiff of that story from Lou Dobbs Tonight.They said something to the effect of the U.S. getting snubbed by the U.N.? I don't know.
yes fos it was a vote on the creation of a new human rights function or something of that nature within the united nations. bloaton had been working since the first days of his abcess appointment to have the u.n. completely reorganized with daffy duck as its leader or some such shit and not set up the human rights function....he lost on a vote that was not even close to being close.
looks like the miracle of privatized greed is not playing so well in latin america anymore:
Ecuador president calls for calm
Indigenous communities say they will continue their protests
Ecuador's president has urged Ecuadoreans to stand together after nationwide protests threatened to destabilise the country.
In a televised address, Alfredo Palacio said democracy should be protected and that he would not bow to the protests.
The demonstrations have been sparked by ongoing talks with the United States over a possible free trade agreement.
On Wednesday, the country's interior minister resigned over the government's handling of the crisis.
Alfredo Castillo said he had warned the government that the protests - which come just days after a strike by oil workers - could lead to a coup.
Mr Castillo is the third interior minister to resign from the post in just 11 months.
However, President Alfredo Palacio said the protests, led by indigenous communities, were designed to create chaos and to lead to the overthrow of his government.
Protesters say a pact with the US will affect their livelihood and are demanding a referendum on the issue.
---hey better send condi and karen hughes (where they hell is that ambassador of good will anyhow?) down there to pass out prada shoes to the restless locals----
here ya go fos:
The measure creating the 43-member rights body was passed by a vote of 170 to 4, with the United States, Israel, Palau and the Marshall Islands voting against it. Belarus, Iran and Venezuela abstained, citing a concern that the council would become a tool for powerful Western countries to punish poor nations.
170 to 4 but hey palau is with us!
you're gonna love spitzer:
H& R Block Accused of Defrauding Customers
Firm Misled About Fees On IRAs, Civil Suit Charges
By Brooke A. Masters
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 16, 2006; Page D01
NEW YORK, March 15 -- H&R Block Inc., the nation's largest tax-preparation service, defrauded hundreds of thousands of customers by encouraging them to invest their tax refunds in individual retirement accounts without disclosing that high fees meant most small investors would lose money, New York Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer alleged in a civil lawsuit Wednesday.
The 28-page complaint, which seeks $250 million in damages, said 85 percent of the more than 500,000 H&R Block customers who opened accounts through its Express IRA program paid more in fees than they received in interest. More than 150,000 of the customers closed their accounts within four years, incurring further fees and $6 million in tax penalties.
Spitzer alleged that H&R Block's top managers, including chief executive Mark A. Ernst, were aware that many customers were losing money but continued to market the Express IRA program as "a better way to save."
real hero
Posted by gregg on March 16, 2006 at 06:12 AM
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LOL! Dude, I was just reading that too.I knew she couln'dt be a Republican.I mean,there's that one "Christian like" song.((Seeing Angels)) which,I happen to think is the best song she ever had....EVER.Anyways,back to what I was saying,I just didn't see her as a far-right wing KKKristian CON servative.So,it doesn't surprise me that she would reject the invitation to meet the 33% apporval rated President.I would have killed though, to see his expression when they told him.Ha Ha Ha.
"What? She don't wanna see me?"
fos i guess those boots are made for walkin on bush's face...hahahahah.
here is some news on the bizzaro drug plan:
Medicare drug plan gaps may hit soon
By Richard Wolf and Richard Benedetto, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Seniors and disabled Americans enrolled in Medicare's new prescription-drug program face more coverage disruptions in two weeks, state officials, doctors and pharmacists warn.
A special 90-day transition period, set by Medicare to prevent beneficiaries from losing any drug coverage, ends April 1. Private insurance plans can then stop covering drugs they don't usually pay for. Most of the 36 states that stepped in on an emergency basis to help low-income beneficiaries also will stop paying.
State insurance counselors and health care advocates say the result could be a repeat of problems first encountered in January, when the program began. Thousands of beneficiaries were turned away from pharmacies when their records weren't found or their drugs weren't covered.
"Some of these people are going to be in really difficult spots," said Jude Walsh, special assistant to Maine Gov. John Baldacci. "I think they're going to be going without medication again."
The warnings came as President Bush promoted the drug plan's virtues Wednesday at an assisted living facility in suburban Maryland. While Bush said the plan can be "confusing," he told seniors to "take a look. ... I think you're going to like what you see."
---yes they are gonna love seeing those empty medicine cabinets as their blood pressure goes haywire----what an asshole!
(CBS/AP) President Bush is reaffirming one of his most controversial policies: reserving the right to launch a pre-emptive strike – that is, an attack on another country which has not attacked the U.S. – if it is deemed necessary to halt the spread of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction.
yup and karl the frog boy said: "tell feingold this includes wisconsin".
Woah wait a minuet.....
The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to create a human rights agency to monitor and expose abuses by governments, replacing a discredited body despite objections by the United States that nations with a history of human rights violations could still join the new panel
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Please,somebody explain to me just HOW can the United States assume it even has the right to hold that POSITION all things considered.The United States has a LONG history of HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS! How hypocritical can we be?
this is some funny shit from the times:
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: March 16, 2006
WASHINGTON, March 15 — Republicans, worried that their conservative base lacks motivation to turn out for the fall elections, have found a new rallying cry in the dreams of liberals about censuring or impeaching President Bush...
..."Impeachment, coming your way if there are changes in who controls the House eight months from now," Paul Weyrich, a veteran conservative organizer, declared last month in an e-mail newsletter.
The threat of impeachment, Mr. Weyrich suggested, was one of the only factors that could inspire the Republican Party's demoralized base to go to the polls. With "impeachment on the horizon," he wrote, "maybe, just maybe, conservatives would not stay at home after all."
---well maybe it will help bush get his base out ( is that free base??) but on de udda hand maybe it will get everyone who hates bush as well as their friends, relatives, lovers and cats out to vote for a democratic congress to watch the boy "twist slowly in the wind" to quote, i believe, a dick from days gone by-----
sure fos but first try to pick which shell the nut is under.
yup and karl the frog boy said: "tell feingold this includes wisconsin".
Posted by gregg on March 16, 2006 at 06:40 AM
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I wish they would.The Packers would KICK they AZZEZ! LOL.
Oooh,I hope there's never a trajedy in Wisconsin where we all have to pack into the Packer Stadium and wait for FEMA to help help help us........I can't think of anything that would bring that about.We're on the other side of the lake, so we never really get those Lake Effect Storms....so far.I've only been here two years.I'm no expert.LOL
posted this last night but its worth a repost:
atrios has this collection of statements made about the iraq war that are just amazing. i must copy and paste a few for you:
"Now that the combat phase of the war in Iraq is officially over, what begins is a debate throughout the entire U.S. government over America's unrivaled power and how best to use it."
(CBS reporter Joie Chen, 5/4/03)
"The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside liberals, and a few people here in Washington."
(Charles Krauthammer, Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)
"We had controversial wars that divided the country. This war united the country and brought the military back."
(Newsweek's Howard Fineman--MSNBC, 5/7/03)
"We're all neo-cons now."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)
"The war winds down, politics heats up.... Picture perfect. Part Spider-Man, part Tom Cruise, part Ronald Reagan. The president seizes the moment on an aircraft carrier in the Pacific."
(PBS's Gwen Ifill, 5/2/03, on George W. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech)
"Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years."
(Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)
"Some journalists, in my judgment, just can't stand success, especially a few liberal columnists and newspapers and a few Arab reporters."
(CNN's Lou Dobbs, 4/14/03)
"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?"
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)
"Speaking to the U.N. Security Council last week, Secretary of State Colin Powell made so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is in material breach of U.N. resolutions that only the duped, the dumb and the desperate could ignore it."
(Cal Thomas, syndicated column, 2/12/03)
wow it leaves you breathless doesn't it. history is important. what this bit of history teaches is that cheer leaders belong in the march madness games....not the media.
Posted by gregg on March 16, 2006 at 06:44 AM
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That's totally idiotic.Republicans salvating at the mouth at the prospects of Impeachment while Democrats........
"Uh,I dunno"
"Uh,ask the other guy"
"Uh,do you think the see me hiding over here by the food cart?"
"Uh,wait till I come back.....quick! Get in the car!"
LOL.........SAD!
Poor Russell.I wonder if he ever feels like Moses with the Children of Israel trying to lead them away from bondage..........
Now,that's a spooky concept.One person struggling with a large number of stubborn and rebellious idiots? I'm sure glad Russ isn't going throught that.HA Ha Ha Ha
Iran says ready to talk with Washington on Iraq
Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:26 AM ET
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran is willing to open a dialogue with the United States on Iraq, a senior official said on Thursday.
The official explained that while Iran was willing to figure the appliances into the final price for this piece of real estate it would need the United States to hold a note for a half trillion dollars and have the drive and walkways repaved. Iran and its wife would be visiting mosques in the area to see if the neighborhood would meet their cultural needs. The agent from Rummy’s Realty ( a Ms. Rice ) is willing to waive her commission to make the deal move as fast as possible.
Iran and its wife would be visiting mosques in the area to see if the neighborhood would meet their cultural needs.
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Do you write that? ;D
"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?"
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)
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I'm from San Digo and It's GASLAMP District not "light" and the militarty does not hang out there.They hang out in Mission Beach and Pacific Beach.The Clubbers hang out in the Gaslamp.I just LOVE when stupid idiots talk about places like they know what they are talking about.............
Stupi idiot!
I meant,San Diego. LOL.....anyways, yawn.....my Night Owl Shift is over.I will talk to ya'll later.Gregg, keep that energy up. Bam Bam Bam! LOL.
Bye.
good morning everyone
gregg, www.fair.org has that story "The Final Word is Hooray"...enough to give one pause, after the initial waves of revulsion and nausea...
Check out "Buying the Bush Line on Iran Nukes" and "What's not Talked About on Sunday Morning"
okay, here's my point. i am drinking my coffee from a cup that says, "How can 59 million Americans be so stupid?"
those three brilliant pieces answer the question comfortably well...so what is the season in new yawk today?
today we have a cold late winter morning. clear sky temp around freezing and windy.
Posted by Sally__** on March 15, 2006 at 09:35 PM
Some things you type are just too true. Too bad you won't open your mind up to some of my ways of thinking. ;)
Now, can we talk about something like why the democrats forced out Hackett?
Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 09:59 PM
I wish I had the time to address that one, 'cause I think I know, insider that I am (snicker ok, I'm being a shitter this morning) but I've got train the trainer with Diebold this morning.
Enjoy the day, everyone!
bleu, "train the trainer day" sounds less than cheery...but i know you'll make the best of it...keep smilin'
gregg, sounds wonderfully winter...good doggie dayz
did y'all notice how many new names appeared on the blog lately?
How we got there
National debt
By MARY DEIBEL, Scripps Howard News Service
March 16, 2006
RELATED STORIES
Next stop ... $9 trillion
[nice little timeline and explanation...good primer for the devatating vote reThugs face: raising the ceiling so we can pay the minimum payment on the nation's credit card]
{could i have a dollar for every time one of the pols says, "we have no choice", please?}
Hello everyone; I live in Florida. Does anyone else feel insecure about the fact that Katherine Harris is so defiant about not quitting her senatorial run? What does she know that makes her so resolute? Is she so out of touch with reality or does she have inside information? And though I am a man, I'm tired of looking at those breasts... she's so vain! You don't see Barbara Boxer or Hillary Clinton shaking their thangs about!
GOP product launch
Preening presidential hopefuls gather in a very early test of the best man to defeat the dreaded Hillary Clinton in 2008.
By Walter Shapiro
This brings us to the Hillary Paradox. Almost all the doubts that I hear about her political prospects come from downcast Democrats, who are convinced that she will romp to the 2008 nomination and then prove unelectable in November. Republicans, in contrast, seem almost fatalistic in their conviction that she would be a formidable foe, which is why they are so eager to find a champion who could unite the GOP in holy war to smite the Clintonian infidels. Never in modern political history can I recall a time when both parties were equally petrified that the same person (Hillary Clinton) might win a presidential nomination.
[i enjoy Shapiro...and it dawned on me that Russ Feingold interrupted the Hillary-talk with a different conversation. The reThugs, while posturing to fear Clinton, are more pro-Hillary than any Dems i know. NOBODY supports her as a candidate in my little world. So, Russ Feingold is even smarter than i first thought. he's forced the hand. the "leaders" are not happy that he made the announcement without getting a permission slip from them. we--the base--have been grossly underestimated. this is going to be a good primary. let's get out the vote!]
hi chris...
i like the equistrian and the marilyn in this photo array...time for work, but it's great to see you!
be well everyone..
hi CYN, miss you
hi chris, i imagine the dalmations down there in the sunshine state must be pretty upset.
here are some laughs posted over at kos:
Everybody excited about March Madness...the big NCAA tournament? Here's how it works: It starts at 65, then 64, then 32, then 16. It's just like Bush's approval rating."
---David Letterman:
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"The Sopranos are a lot like the Bush administration. There are wiretaps, people going to jail, and the second-in-command accidentally shoots his best friend."
---Jay Leno
I was watching one of those tabloid entertainment shows last night (yes, I'll admit it) when the piece they were doing was an a Texas family, the son is a High School senior as well as a great student. He told his dad that he was moving towards being a Democrat because it felt like it fit better. His dad a staunch Pug told his son that he would not be paying for him to go to college like he had promised because of it.
I thought well that makes sense, it is the mentality of 'for me or my enemy' crap that seems to be the current mission statement for this crazy Repug party.
Like a good Dem, the son said that is your choice but isn't changing his position and instead started a website selling ad space to earn money to go to school with.
This song was written in 1964, If you listen to the song today, it holds up all the way - it's the same problems. It's certainly an honest feeling, from a 16 year old. P. F. Sloan : In His Own Words
"Think of all the hate there is in Red China then take a look around to Selma Alabama.
And marches alone cannot bring integration when human respect is disintegrating"
are about racial un-harmony issues.
"Hate your next door neighbor and don't forget to say grace",
simple hypocrisy but it made me feel angry.
"You're old enough to kill but not for voting"
was about the injustice of using youth in the army to defend the country but they had no say in its policies. More hypocrisy!
"The pounding of the drums the pride and disgrace"
were written in relationship to the powerful Kennedy assassination.
‘Sung by Barry McGuire
http://www.brownielocks.com/eveofdestruction.html
WASHINGTON, March 15 — Republicans, worried that their conservative base lacks motivation to turn out for the fall elections, have found a new rallying cry in the dreams of liberals about censuring or impeaching President Bush.
The proposal this week by Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, to censure Mr. Bush over his domestic eavesdropping program cheered the left. But it also dovetailed with conservatives' plans to harness such attacks to their own ends.
This is straight from sleazy rovianland; use enemies perceived strength against them. So are dem "leaders," and and their dumb "consultants" going to fall for this bullc**p sh## and back away from a fight AS USUAL???!@!@@!!
For those who may have missed Senator Tom Harkin's remarks in support of the Feingold resolution, here is an excerpt:
"We have an out-of-control President whose arrogant and, now, illegal behavior is running our country into the ditch. It's time to rein him in. And a fine place to start is by passing this resolution of censure. I hope that Senator Feingold's measure will be brought to the floor. And when it is, I will proudly vote yes".
Bravo, and thank you, Senator Harkin!
Rawstory has a link stating that Feingold is holding a press conference at 9:45 this morning...anyone heard anything about it? Now here's a man who DOES NOT back away from a fight...when will the other wimpy dem "leaders" learn?
This eighteen-hour-old thread is fraying and about to snap like Allard when faced with the sharp edge of truth.
Chuck, if the thread wasn't filled with troll droppings from last night it wouldn't be so long.
It doesn't help to fill it with more complaining about the thread. (For those with a short memory they used to change at 250 which we haven't reached yet so it seems premature to start to complain)
Breaking News:
U.S. launches largest air assault on Iraq insurgents since 2003. More to come
On March 1,2006, the U.S. Labor Bureau released a report about the wide spread use of child labor in both Pakistan and India including the fact some mines have as much as 25% of the workers as children between 10-14 years of age.
And in the UAE, child slave labor, human rights abuses, Shari'a law applied to nonMuslims for situations such as pregnancy outside of marriage where sexual abuse by a wealthy slaveowner may be the cause, Shari's tortures have been routinely applied to the pregnant women after they give birth. 80% of the population of the UAE are foreign workers, including thousands as child slaves as the Dubai government has a terrible human rights record, no free elections or free press.
Mr. Bush is quick to laud praise on the UAE, Pakistan and India, yet in all three cases even his own U.S. Labor Bureau finds real serious patterns of human rights abuses. And in the case of the UAE, this terrible government may have been control of the major U.S. ports if Mr. Bush would have had his way.
PROGRESSIVE VALUES
A major political party in time of Constitutional crisis and when news is breaking by the minute ought to foster citizen participation in the democracy they purport to revere.
The traffic hereon is relatively negligible in comparison to dialogue and information being exchanged and presented elsewhere on the net by the second and minute.
It is not unreasonable to expect an alive site when there is so much at risk and when thousands of Democrats apparently have chosen not to speak right here. The slothful traffic alone is testimony to a problem that drives readers and speakers to go somewhere else.
A vibrant site, one that is aware of the changing moment, will do more to attract believers, to reinvigorate all Democrats, and to rally citizens to stand against Bush than one that is virutally static, no pun intended.
Each of us who post, react, render constructive critcism, deliver righteous indignation, and lay out high expectations of our representatives here are, by our very actions and words, doing our part to keep our freedoms and our democracy alive.
In short, I only ask for fluency and timeliness given the nature of this medium and the realities at work in the poltics of our nation.
GOP Seeks Curbs On '527' Groups
By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 16, 2006; Page A04
"We need some bold action," Shays said. "If we can't show some energy on this, I think you're going to see another party in control" of the House after the November elections.
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The Repugs continue to stoop to new lows!!!
Bush, the Orwellian Reactionary, is doing again what he does best: sending in more troops to die so we, the stupid American citizen, will rerally around the Moron in Chief, blindly and willingly, merely because "there's a war going on".
Don't complain, folks, or Cheney will call you a traitor and Allard a terrorist lover.
Three years deep into WWII, America was five months from defeating Hitler's Germany. Now three years deep in Iraq, Bush has to repeat a major action. You can extrapolate the rest and, indeed, already have.
It is not proper to pick on a mofo after the mofo has gone to bed. That is against the rules and the rules are for our protection.
Dr.Rice in Austraia
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/im-proof-of-democracy-in-action/2006/03/16/1142098602910.html
They are doing exactly what I said last night that they needed to do - step up the war and kill these bastards.
If at first you don't succeed....
King George is once again playing with his toys and killing civilians. Do you think it could have something to do with HIS RATINGS???? A better name for the "operation" would be "operation CYA".
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. and Iraqi forces on Thursday launched the largest air assault operation since the invasion of Iraq nearly three years ago, the U.S. military said.
More than 50 aircraft are involved in Operation Swarmer, supporting more than 1,500 Iraqi and U.S. troops near Samarra, about 75 miles (121 kilometers) north of Baghdad.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/16/iraq.main/index.html
Pity, I thought it was well written.
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- It's George Clooney versus Arianna Huffington in a standoff worthy of "Good Night, and Good Luck."
The newly minted Oscar winner says he did not write a blog posted Monday on commentator Huffington's Web site, though he gave her permission to use a compilation of his critiques of the Iraq war from interviews with Larry King and London's The Guardian.
"Miss Huffington's blog is purposefully misleading and I have asked her to clarify the facts," Clooney, 44, said in a statement issued Wednesday. "I stand by my statements but I did not write this blog."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/16/clooney.huffington.ap/index.html
I was surprised to see Sally__** was still active and able to post this morning. So I will continue to add my valuable commentary for a little while.
Hi Jacqui!
More compassionate conservatism...
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has acknowledged a specific death threat against her and her retired colleague Sandra Day O'Connor, blaming lawmakers for fueling "the irrational fringe."
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She said the court's marshal, Pamela Talkin, alerted her and O'Connor to a February 28, 2005, Internet chat posting by an unidentified person to his fellow "commandoes" urging a "patriotic assignment."
Posted by BlueinIdaho on March 16, 2006 at 11:39 AM
Hi Blue,
did you hear on CNN, how many civilians they expect to die in this, yet another attack?
After 3 years, don't you think we should have been sucessful and out of there? As a matter of fact, don't you think we should have kept our nose out of this illegal invasion and occupation entirely?
Guess Halliburton hasn't made enough money yet, for Cheney's stock options!!!
And even more compassionate conservatism:
The senate just approved a bill for $781 billion more for King George's version of Stratego bringing the nat'l debt to just under 9 trillion.
Whooopeee! I guess that means were selling Texas to China.
46 percent of Americans favor censure of Bush, more than oppose it. From the Politicalwire:
Posted by PamB on March 16, 2006 at 11:45 AM
I think a more successful invasion and liberation would have been for Canada to take out our current King.
The problem with you all is that you don't believe that the war on terror is real and necessary.
I understand that more terriers have died in the last three years than terrorists.
Anyone have that link?
Sally O'Reilly,Do you pull the wings off of flies..I don't see how you can find satisfaction, from other people's pain.I don't think you are very bright. I pity you. I think you are Bill O'reilly's sister,so here's a link for you.http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html
Sally, we believed fully in getting Osma Bin Laden, but as Bush has said himself...he isn't interested in bringing to justice those that attacked us on 9/11/2001. There is no profit to be made in that venture.
The problem with you is that you refuse to see that the people fighting in Iraq are fighting a war and are not terrorists and their actions are directly connected to Bush's lies and actions.
A canadian invasion - that is a funny thought. Canada couldn't fight Greenland to a draw.
I heard that O'REilly is absolutely frustrated, as are all good Kristian republicriminals, about the liberals taking away the Saint from St. Patrick's day. It is a "War on the wearin of the green". O'Reilly says that we should all boycott O'Walmart.
Ok, too much green libation for me too early in the morn'...
Posted by diana on March 16, 2006 at 11:53 AM
I am the only member of Mensa that regularly posts here.
The greatest terror is occurring in our own government where classic Orwellian tactics, fearmongering against a generic and nebulous "eneny", is endeavoring to translate the sheep-like fear of a nation into on-going power for the merchants selling the fear.
Bush's revolving enemies list is too well known: Osamba, WMD, Saddam, some cleric in Iraq, another cleric in Iraq, and those insurants whose names we can't spell. Now the new enemy being declared is Iran. If we don't buy that, some other one will be conjured up.
I for one will take my chances here at home, trading some risk, albeit microscopically small, for preservation of freedom and democracy.
Benjamin Franklin said it best:
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
O'Reilly is a pompous windbag, I actually watch Olberman during that hour.
Iran has always been the main enemy. Iran being a much bigger, more populous and militarily stronger nation, it was necessary to have the forces in place in Iraq (and Afghanistan) in order mount an effective campaign against Iran's nuclear sites.
Keith is a Snide windbag, I prefer Snide windbags to pompous windbags.
Congress forms panel to study Iraq war
Panel to recommend Iraq policy to Congress,
White House
From Ted Barrett
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congress unveiled an independent panel on Wednesday assigned to study the U.S.-led war in Iraq and to make policy recommendations for both Capitol Hill and the White House.
The group will be made up of five Republicans and five Democrats.
They include: former CIA Director Robert Gates; former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Republican; former Clinton adviser Vernon Jordan; former Clinton Chief of Staff Leon Panetta; former Clinton administration Defense Secretary William Perry; former Democratic Sen. Chuck Robb; and Alan Simpson, a Republican former senator from Wyoming.
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Better late than never???
Hmm...Iran Says It's Ready for Talks With the U.S. on Iraq; http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aMccnZ6.TfPE&refer=us
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 12:07 PM
Could you really be Sally_O'Bush or Sally_O'Cheney?
The Hell with talks with Iran - you cannot believe a word they say.
you cannot believe a word they say.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 12:22 PM
The same could be said for GWB.
The Hell with talks with Iran - you cannot believe a word they say.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 12:22 PM
Bush, he's the only one you can belive.
Warped, that's what that is.
Hi all! It's been a while. How's everyone in Libland?
You don't believe GWB because you don't want to believe him. You continue to call him a liar without siting a single, provable lie. All of your lie examples are nebulous and speculative.
Salley,I can't help but think you are related to Bill. "Stupid Bill O'Reilly Quotes;If Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.'" –FOX News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, after San Francisco voted to ban military recruiters from city schools, Nov. 8, 2005 Here's another"I'll tell you what. I've been in combat. I've seen it, I've been close to it... and if my unit is danger, and I've got a captured guy, and the guy knows where the enemy is, and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. The guy better tell me. If it's life or death, he's going first." –on his experience as a journalist covering firefights in South and Central America, Jan. 18, 2005 (Source) http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/billoreilly/a/oreillyquotes.htm
Sally, I have a question for you. I would like a straight answer. No flip or sarcastic or arrogance, please.
Why are we in Iraq?
Your personal and honest opinion.
The United States' word is as good as gold though
Yes, the United States of America, a democratic society with built-in Constitutional freedoms and protections, made up of a representative government elected by its own people, black/white, male/female, republican/democrat, with a justice system in place for violations of those freedoms: a society of participation regardless of religion, gender, or tribal affiliation - with free reign to travel, assemble, gather information, and protest against the government IS EXACTLY LIKE THE IRANIAN TOTALITARIAN REGIME.
Can you say moral equivalence?
lol, i owe you a drink kristen!
yeah, we just don't want to believe bush. if we just ignore the facts like he does we would be fine.
I am the only member of Mensa that regularly posts here.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 11:59 AM
for Mensa to espouse a particular point of view would go against its role as a forum for all points of view.
With the opinionated Sally__** we know he can't be Mensa
So what else would you like to sell, dumbie?
Why are we in Iraq?
Your personal and honest opinion.
Posted by followthemoney on March 16, 2006 at 12:32 PM
We are in Iraq because it is ground zero of terroristland. And how could you possibly fight a credible war against terror and leave Sadam Hussein in power? A guy who supported and harbored terrorists and had used WMD in the past.
So you know everyone here's full name and membership affiliations?
Why am I talking to a psychopath?
Of course Mensa also says opinions are like A** H****, every Mensa has one
Here's a question...what's the point of censure? And if we can't even get people to jump on board with censure when the President's ratings are as low as they are, who seriously thinks impeachment is a possiblity? I'm just wondering where this is going...
or Mensa to espouse a particular point of view would go against its role as a forum for all points of view.
With the opinionated Sally__** we know he can't be Mensa
So what else would you like to sell, dumbie?
Posted by followthemoney on March 16, 2006 at 12:45 PM
Well, that is one of the dumber comments I will ever respond to. Mensa, the orginazation, does not espouse any political views but it's members can certainly voice their opinions.
The fact that I am a Mensa member was settled on this blog a year ago and is old news to most of the regulars who are still here.
Ranger-
The whole "Liberals" at Yale supporting a member of the Taliban deal, well...lets just say, BS. Radicals at Yale may "support" him, but not "liberals" who's values include womens rights, freedom of expression etc. Let us not forget, a lot of "liberals" "Democrats" are in this war too.
A lot of "Conservatives" support stupid fools that call for foolish things. That does not mean all "Conservatives" are bad. It is a common propoganda stategy, called "Monoplization of perception" being employed in the whole "Liberals" at "Yale" argument. Don't fall for it. You know better, you haved been trained better than that.
As far as Hackett goes, you are right. The biggest problem the Democrats have, is they lack guts. I suggest you all go to "Crooks and Liars" to check out the TDS bit that Hackett did, it is awesome. The man has it all, wits, humor, brains, looks, bravery. "The Party" screwed him because they were scared, scared they would be forced to take a position. "The Party" is more interested in how well they "Responded to Jean Schmidt" instead of the fact, that "The Party" still has no position on the war. "The Party" fears Jack Murtha too. That assertation is correct, Ranger.
There are still a lot of Democratic Veterans running this next election Ranger. No doubt, some of them will get screwed by "The Party", but some will win. Maybe together we can change "The Party" because the only other option are these incompetant fools running the show now, as you have seen.
By the way, you a Batt Boy, or a Tab?
I hope life finds you well Ranger.
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY.
PC
Sometimes you have to do the right thing even if it isn't politically expedient and even if you're alone in doing it. Sometimes the lost causes are the ones most worth fighting for.
More idiocy from the Bush administration
America's bizarre plan to provide portable digital audio devices to Afghan women
We are in Iraq because it is ground zero of terroristland. And how could you possibly fight a credible war against terror and leave Sadam Hussein in power? A guy who supported and harbored terrorists and had used WMD in the past.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 12:46 PM
Sally__**, If you do, really belive that and find no contributing causes other than that then I would have to classify you as a moron (a very stupid person)in every sense of the word.
Sally, I refer you to my 12:48
Only you talk from one...so you must have two.
This will explain it.They wanted to and all they needed was a reason..http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
Posted by AmericaFirst on March 16, 2006 at 12:50 PM
Impeachment is not a possibility. Impeachment comes out of the lefts attmpts to defeat GWB. Something they could not do at the polls. Impeaching GWB is more important in their minds than winning the next election. So all of this effort is being directed at destroying a guy who is not running for anything and can never run again. It is idiotic.
I usually don't enter these trollfests, but -- don't most empire-builders conquer one nation before they attack another? I really don't understand how Cheney thinks he can pull off something that not even the Romans ever tried.
Until the neocons can stablize the mess in Iraq, they look silly shaking their sabers at Iran...especially when they almost gave away our ports to the UAE for a song. Iran is hardly a threat if al Queda can just ship their dirty bombs into New York.
But then they don't seem to have a problem looking stupid. It seems to inflate their egos somehow. Unfortunately, it seems to be irritating some of the party regulars...and the rest of the civilized world.
I assume they are really going after Syria and making with all these Iranian threats to divert attention. The current air strikes, however, blew their cover. Looks like they are softening up the border before they invade...as if the Syrians didn't already know they were a target.
Pinky and the Brain goes to war -- take 2.
Watching you all get on Rangers back is just ridiculous. Why not believe he is a Veteran serving in the Armed Forces of the United States. I doubt very much he wants to display his unit, or his job in a blog where he could get SCREWED for speaking agianst the Chain of Command.
"Rangers Don't Whine"...ROFLMAO...you obviously have never spent any period of time in the Armed Forces of the United States, because soldiers sailors and airmen and Marines bitch and moan just as much as any other person does, they just suck it up and follow oders and make it happen, better than any other American Institution.
RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
Sally, your answer is on par with Sean Hannity's argument last week when he defended our being there by asking a caller if it were not worth the price we are paying in lives and treasure for the women of Iraq to be able to wear fingernail polish. How do you feel about women of Iraq being able to wear finger nail polish?
Posted by followthemoney on March 16, 2006 at 12:54 PM
What portion of my comment is not true?
sally i missed the mensa settlement. please review. and of course its great to see you, you sack of shit.
Watch this documentary,it's the best explanation for what has been going on. Why We Fight; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8494.htm
Sally:Impeachment comes out of the lefts attmpts to defeat GWB. Something they could not do at the polls.
FTM: Impeachment comes out of the right's attempts to defeat Bill Clinton. Something they could not do at the polls.
The Repuglithugs have agonized for years over this. They will never get over it. Bill Clinton whipped the ass of the Repugs.
I think Iraqi women should be able to wear fingernail polish if they want to.
Here is the link to "Crooks and Liars" where they have the Hackett TDS interview. Check it out, about half way into the current clog.
think Iraqi women should be able to wear fingernail polish if they want to.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 01:09 PM
How many lives should we donate to this cause? Would you please lead us in volunteering?
They will never get over it. Bill Clinton whipped the ass of the Repugs.
Posted by followthemoney on March 16, 2006 at 01:09 PM
He won with the help of Ross Perot. He hardly whipped the republicans ass when he never even made it to 50% of the vote.
why does W say these stupid things? because he's a war president, stupid and don't you forget it.
Bush Restates 2002 Doctrine of Preemptive War
President Bush issued a new national security strategy today reaffirming his doctrine of preemptive war against terrorists and hostile states with chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, despite the troubled U.S. experience in Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/16/AR2006031600679.html
Sometimes you have to do the right thing even if it isn't politically expedient and even if you're alone in doing it. Sometimes the lost causes are the ones most worth fighting for.
Posted by jen on March 16, 2006 at 12:53 PM
Personally, I think it was just a testing of the impeachment waters, and they seem a bit cold. I also believe that the media has created an atmosphere in which only those who say or do something completely off the wall can get any real national coverage, which is sad. We the people are being played, and our elected officials have to act like over-the-top reality TV stars to get their message out.
Posted by followthemoney on March 16, 2006 at 01:12 PM
I hate responding to your points because your points are always stupid. Your point reflects the fact that the left refuses to take the war on terror seriously. If you actually think that people have died so that Iraqi women can wear fingernail polish then you need to dump a bottle of fingernail polish into a bag and stick your head in the bag until the fingernail polish dries.
This new offensive all over faux news this morning is in direct support of Bush's PR campaign whip up the war and fear bull s***. Very predictable; speechs, war offense; now do I have your attention. Good, that censure thing and all those other problems on the home front will fade away. Sure glad you didn't notice that $67B plus we stole last week.
Sally,
Uh, wow. All I can say, is that TRUE BELIEVERS still exist. I think you are right by the way, this war has-
1- Obviously helped our power projection in the Region. Freedom is on the March. Iran, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, are all now taking moderate positions and supporting the United States. Russia is our strongest ally, Bush looked into Putins soul! No way they continie their support of Irans Nuclear production, NOW WAY!!China is going to forgive us of our debt, and stop buying oil from the axis of evil. The dollar, is going to recover, any day now. FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!! Democracy is in action. It will not be long now, and this ground Zero stategery will bring us to victory. The whole world is going to give the Freedom loving United States a big hug and throw flowers at us. You watch. The good news is just not being reported.
Even liberals cannot lose this one for us now! FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!
PC
Sally, I was pointing out your spokesperson, Hannity's view: that our sacrifice in lives and treasure is is worthwhile because women in Iraq can wear fingernail polish. His words and position; not mine. I suppose your's would be the same as his (Hannity's) since you are related.
Bush's poll number go in the tank and the trolls come out to play!!
Bush's poll number go in the tank and the trolls come out to play!!
Bush said at the outset that the war on terror is likely to last a generation (20 years or more) it was entirely predictable that the left would be the first to bale. Bush considers the far left the weenie factor and does not assign them much weight.
Bush's poll numbers are not important -- he is not running for anything! Duh
Not MENSA, MENACE.
The Republican Senate just rehocked our children's futures at Dub's Pawn Shop.
My unborn grandchildren now are in debt up to their pay stubs for the whole of their working lives tune to the tune of $8 trillion plus. That is more than irresponsible. It's a moral crime.
Furhermore, China and India and the other Asian countries where American corporate "citizens" outsource so eagerly are now dancing in the streets and villages because America's security is now ever more closely to being under their control via economic dominance.
There is NOT ONE aspect of government in which Bush has moved this nation forward. NOT a single one. Security, economics, science, education, energy and on and on and on.
Bush and the Rovian have set us back decades. Anyone who says or believes otherwise is delusional for the voluminous body of evidence of it looms prodigiously and ominously before our very eyes.
All one has to do is open them and look.
Actually he is running for something jackass. Not to become a lame duck a year into a 4 year term. Actually, its already happened. Even Repugs are sprinting away from the administration.
Bush said at the outset that the war on terror is likely to last a generation (20 years or more) it was entirely predictable
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 01:27
Sally, Dwight E told us this was going to happen 50 years ago. We are just seeing our worst nightmares come to furition. How do you suppose Bush knew the day of the 9/11 attack "...this is going to be a long war...?" Unless he had anticipated and pre planned for the whole thing. He knew of the PNAC plans. This was the way to start it.
Bush said at the outset that the war on terror is likely to last a generation (20 years or more) it was entirely predictable
Sally, Iraq should not have been in our sights in the first place. Even daddy GB understood what a pressure cooker the situation was in that region and that Saddam Hussien was a rather secular leader in a hot bed of religious intolerance. That is why he didn't proceed to remove Saddam from power in 1991.
Much was made up to create the justification to support GWB's need.
hey follow the money:
If you would really like to find the bases of the Invasion into Iraq, look no further than PNAC.
This group founded in 1997, had one clear goal. To Invade Iraq. Their ultimate goal? To dominate the world with US power. They were ticked off at Clinton because he was too smart to go in and invade.
this was LONG BEFORE any terrorists or 9/11 ! Terrorists came after Bush's invasion! Not one there before ! This was even after Rumsfeld has pictures showing shaking Hussein's hand, and giving him money to attack the kurds and Iran!
Good article about it all:
Several original PNAC members, including Cheney, Khalilzad and the Bush family, have ties to the oil industry. Many other members have been long-time fixtures in the U.S. military establishment or Cold War "strategic studies," including Elliott Abrams, Dick Cheney, Paula Dobriansky, Aaron Friedberg, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald H. Rumsfeld, John R. Bolton, Vin Weber, and Paul Dundes Wolfowitz. It should not be surprising, therefore, that while the group devotes inordinate attention to Iraq, its most general focus has been on a need to "re-arm America." The prospect of mining oil riches may explain part of the group's focus on Iraq, but this motivation has been buried under the rhetoric of national security and the need for strong national defense.
To justify a need to "rearm" the country, however, reasons must be found. In the more peaceable world of the late 1990s, with no rival super-power in sight, Iraq and "ballistic missile defense" against "rogue states" were the main games in town. The group's links to advocacy for ballistic missile defense came through Donald Rumsfeld, who in 1998 chaired a bi-partisan commission on the "US Ballistic Missile Threat" and Vin Weber, a registered lobbyist for Lockheed Martin and other Fortune 500 companies
The Project for the New American Century seeks to establish what they call 'Pax Americana' across the globe. Essentially, their goal is to transform America, the sole remaining superpower, into a planetary empire by force of arms. A report released by PNAC in September of 2000 entitled 'Rebuilding America's Defenses (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)' codifies this plan, which requires a massive increase in defense spending and the fighting of several major theater wars in order to establish American dominance. The first has been achieved in Bush's new budget plan, which calls for the exact dollar amount to be spent on defense that was requested by PNAC in 2000. Arrangements are underway for the fighting of the wars.[2]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century
By the way, the way the current war on terror is being run, it will not last a generation, it will last forever. The way it is currently being fought only breeds new terrorists everyday.
If you actually think that people have died so that Iraqi women can wear fingernail polish then you need to dump a bottle of fingernail polish into a bag and stick your head in the bag until the fingernail polish dries.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 01:18 PM
Thanks, Sally, I'll pass this on to Sean Hannity. That was his idea. He does have some screwball ideas sometimes.
Posted by DianeD on March 16, 2006 at 01:30 PM
Well if you would ever do a little research you would come back here and apologize for being so naive.
Sadam harbored terrorists, Al Zarqawi, the current Al Qaeda number one in Iraq was there before we invaded. Abdul Abbas, the hairball who hijacked the Achille Lauro and murdered Leon Klinghoffer, was being protected by Sadam. Sadam was paying the families of suicide bombers in Israel $25,000. So he harbored and supported terrorists.
Sadam had WMD -- he used them! The question is not did he have them but what did he do with them and where did they go.
Bush never said that Iraq was involved in 9/11.
Posted by PamB on March 16, 2006 at 01:38 PM
Great post, Pam. I have read most of the articles you listed. Another contributing factor was the fact that Saddam had started selling oil for Euros instead of $'s. The bankers got behind Bush on this. Could have been the tipping point. And, horrors, Iran is getting ready to sell oil for.......you guessed it...Euros. Can't let that happen, now can we?
Not many people realize how a fiat currence works. It has nothing but it's purchasing power to support it. Oil (hence petro dollars) is the main thing behing our buck.
PC sally, PC stands for ***** OF ****,Someone posted how much this war in Iraq cost,broke down in $ per Iraqi. Something for your apathetic brains, to think about. http://www.warnerreprise.com/qt-ref/neilyoung_rockininthefreeworld-newcut_ref.mov
Posted by Kristen on March 16, 2006 at 01:35 PM
Bush's daddy was a weenie that is why he didn't get re elected. 9/11 happened and the world changed. We could no longer let nutball dictators with WMD govern. And don't say Sadam didn't have WMD unless you said that before the war started.
Bush never said that Iraq was involved in 9/11.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 01:44 PM
75% of the cool-aid drinkers think they did...and sadly...voted for the Rovian Beast.
Sally, you're obviously much too intelligent to be parroting the bull crap you do. Why on earth?
Seems that the "leadership" has to wait until the think that enough people (read VOTERS) support Censure. Check out the new poll by American Research Group:
Poll: Americans slightly favor plan to censure
Maybe now our dear party leaders will get off their collective asses and pull out their collective heads!
snip:
A new poll finds that a slim majority of Americans favor plans to censure President George W. Bush, while a surprising 42% favor moves to actually impeach the President.
A poll taken March 15, 2006 by American Research Group found that among all adults, 46% favor Senator Russ Feingold's (D-WI) plan to censure President George W. Bush, while just 44% are opposed. Approval of the plan grows slightly when the sample is narrowed to voters, up to 46% in favor of the Senate censuring the sitting president.
Even more shocking is that just 57% of Republicans are opposed to the move, with 14% still undecided and 29% actually in favor. Fully 70% of Democrats want to see Bush censured.
More surprising still: The poll found fully 43% of voters in favor of actually impeaching the President, with just 50% of voters opposed. While only 18% of Republicans surveyed wanted to see Bush impeached, 61% of Democrats and 47% of Independents reported they wanted to see the House move ahead with the Conyers (D-MI) resolution.
The poll, taken March 13-15, had a 3% margin of error.
O.K. Mr. Minority Leader and Ms Minority Whip, does this get your attention?
Actually, it doesn't matter what any one of us thought before the war, regarding WMD. WE did not have the intelligence. WE did not take our country into the war by distorting intelligence. It really shouldn't be too much to ask to be able to trust your president, but obviously it is.
Watch Bush's numbers soar (not that it matters much) when they finally do find those WMD. And they will.
Bush's daddy was a weenie that is why he didn't get re elected.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 01:52 PM
This translates into "Bush's daddy didn't have people in Florida to fix the election"
and actually Bush Sr. wasn't re elected because our economy was in the toilet and people were tired of 12 years of not getting by under Republican leadership. Too bad their memories are so short.
And they will.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 01:58 PM
Where? In Iran?
Posted by Kristen on March 16, 2006 at 02:00 PM
The economy was in pretty good shape under Bush 1, we were recovering from a minor recession. Bush lost the base because he raised taxes after promissing he wouldn't.
Where? In Iran?
Posted by Kristen on March 16, 2006 at 02:01 PM
No, in Syria. I have been saying that for 2 years here. I think they know exactly where they are now and are exerting pressure on Syria to get in there and get them. You will see - perhaps next October.
Is Another 9/11 in the Works?
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ROB20060316&articleId=2109
People will say " Oh my God, Bush was right!! Why oh why did we ever listen to those nattering nabobs of negativity on the left?"
President Bush should not only be censured he should be impeached for at least 4 separate violations of the Constition- the highest law in the LAND lest we decide that the 4 stooges were appointed by DIVINE RIGHT.
Now lets see WE HAVE THE FOLLING RUMBLE IN THE JUNGLE/OR SAND BOX AS THE ARMY COMMANDERS ARE FOND OF CALLING THE IRAQ DEBACLE- THE SAND BOX! NICE:
IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER WE HAVE PATRIOT AND LONG TIME SENATOR who has less unpatriotic bones in his body than old George Washington himself:
1)Senstor Russ Feingold!!-applause vs. his primary opponent:
a)George W. Bush - AWOL from tha national guard and DWI arrested in Kennebunkport where his Dad is the honorary meyor- tough to F up that Geoge- IE you had what - 20 second chances before they had to book you before you killed somebodhy!
b) Dick Cheney- man has spent more time managing Halliburton sweet heart deals tha the Iraq war- he shold be impeached right away as a war profiteer.
c) Karl Rove - Christian Conservative Ideologue who outed a CIA agent since it made Cheney look bad.
d) Scooter Libby- Already turning states evidence ot Cheny and he will squeal- interesting that he has tasts in asian Pornograpy- Read his books in which teenage girls are force to have sex with monkeys by training..sick minds...closet case...SCOOTER???WTF name like SCOOTER is very very pro gay marriage sorry SCCOOTY!
Hmmmmm =I think I could sweep the floor in a debate as to who respects the constitution more or who is a more patriotic American- assuming one goes by abiding by the Consititution as a litmus test for patriotism.
Then there are the small matters of
1) appointing a horse expert as head of FEMA??? 2) 2) Ramming a terrible bankdrujpting drug bill with costs intentionally understated and doling out as gifts to big Pharma contributors to the Bush campaign.
3) Cheney- Uncontested bids for the Iraq war supplies to troops and oil repairs to -SURPRISE HALLIBURTON.
4) Finally the small matter of Abu Gihraib- oh and oh yeah the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM- cooking intelligence to scare Americans of a Mushroom cloud appearing in Manhattan when IRAN was the real threat not IRAQ...so that is 4 or 5 impeacable offense- easily compared to Clinton personal matter.
So then why is Sen. Feingold a traitor?? HELLO?? Earth to Republicans- I know why press Secretary Ari (Jewish last name- smart dude-too smart to stay with these clowns)--left.....oh boy he looked
way to smart for this crew...
Sincerlely,
A patriotic American...FLAG WAIVER EVEN!!
Bruce C. Pietsch 126 Broadmeadow Road, Groton, MA 01450
No, in Syria. I have been saying that for 2 years here. I think they know exactly where they are now and are exerting pressure on Syria to get in there and get them. You will see - perhaps next October.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 02:09 PM
Will they have a nice little bow tired around them and a stamp that says "Iraq" on them? Or is this how long it will take for Bush to figure out how to get them across the border just in time for Nov. Elections?
Sally, you have allowed me to release some steam which has built up from the outrageous mess this horrible administration has us in. I find it not just hard to belive but frustrating that otherwise intelligent people will support what is going on. One of the huge mysteries of life: where does one's reasoning power go? How can so many be so dupped by such a transparent and flimsy fabrication. Makes you want to grab people by the shirt and yell: WAKE UP! Don't be an idiot. These guys are playing you like a cheap fiddle. Just hope it's not too late. Sally, go read some history.
People will say " Oh my God, Bush was right!! Why oh why did we ever listen to those nattering nabobs of negativity on the left?"
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 02:13 PM
Sally, I think you're right about this. There just isn't any question in my mind that at one time or another, Sadaam had WMD's. So...where'd they go? Syria is my guess too. I just hope we get to them before someone else does.
It will be one of the funnest and funniest days in US politics when those WMDs are found and all the Dems, except Lieberman, will have to eat crow.
It will be glorious I tell ya!
Regardless of how the censure effort plays out, it has no real effect on anything, not to mention it isn't backed up by the constitution or even the Congressional rules. If they intend to impeach, then impeach, and quit tip-toeing around, worrying about poll numbers.
The little cock rooster has not read the reports that say 70% say it was a mistake to Invade Iraq! But then, it wasn't included in My Pet Goat, so why should he know that!
I'd love to see him try to invade Iran. that will be the straw that breaks the Republican's backs!!!
Washington - Undaunted by the difficult war in Iraq, President Bush reaffirmed his strike-first policy against terrorists and enemy nations today and said Iran may pose the biggest challenge for America.
"If necessary, however, under long-standing principles of self defense, we do not rule out the use of force before attacks occur - even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack," Bush wrote.
Will they have a nice little bow tired around them and a stamp that says "Iraq" on them? Or is this how long it will take for Bush to figure out how to get them across the border just in time for Nov. Elections?
Posted by Kristen on March 16, 2006 at 02:14 PM
Our people are very familiar with Iraqi weaponry as we have been in country for 2 years and have had inspectors there for may years prior. There will be serial numbers on imported components and it will be no problem to trace them back to Iraqi imports.
Stop trying to setup your excuses ahead of time.
And yes, just in time for the November elections.
Even prominent neo-conservatives are beginning to jump ship on the war and even neo-conservatism. Professor Francis Fukuyama has gone so far as to renounce his affiliations with Cheney, Rumsfeld and the pre-emption doctrine. Fukuyama was one of the 25 original founders of the Project for the New American Century—the intellectual founding document for neo-conservative foreign policy.
Writing in The New York Times last month, Fukuyama said:
"As we approach the third anniversary of the onset of the Iraq war, it seems very unlikely that history will judge either the intervention itself or the ideas animating it kindly. By invading Iraq, the Bush administration created a self-fulfilling prophecy: Iraq has now replaced Afghanistan as a magnet, a training ground and an operational base for jihadist terrorists, with plenty of American targets to shoot at."
He added, "The so-called Bush Doctrine that set the framework for the administration's first term is now in shambles." And, "Neoconservatism, as both a political symbol and a body of thought, has evolved into something I can no longer support."
It is clear that the Bush pre-emption polices are a disaster—and now they're being rejected by people from Left to Right. All that remains is to change course in Iraq and move forward. Let's make sure the public hears the truth while Bush is pushing spin. It will help us get out of Iraq—and maybe prevent another war. Please write a letter to the editor.
http://political.moveon.org/lte?lte_campaign_id=50&id=7050-3347291-qYGs23s4ZFC.nwqkr2cZVg&t=2
Posted by PamB on March 16, 2006 at 02:21 PM
But then again, you have been hoping for a U.S. defeat forever. I remember how upset you were when we caught Sadam. You even got your goofy remarks published in the Wall Street Journal and on Britt Humes show.
So, now when we look at Iraq, we see the same thing. Even with the ethnic strife and potential for civil war, Iraqis want their country back from the U.S. occupiers. In fact the civil strife has worsened to the point that U.S. military commanders are ordering their troops to stay in their barracks as much as possible. So, one asks, why are our troops there if they are only hiding out in their barracks? What exactly is their mission now?
The sickening answer is they are to save George Bush’s “reputation.”
But now after three years, and the recognition that the war was a fraud, theses brave soldiers in Iraq know the difference: 70- 75% of them want the war to end and want to come home to their families rather than fight George Bush’s personal war. This is not what they signed up for. They signed an oath to defend and protect the United States. After three years it has become clear to them that this is not the goal in Iraq.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_by_geral_060315_terrorists_or_resist.htm
Posted by PamB on March 16, 2006 at 02:32 PM
God, why would you post crap like that. You truly are sick in the head. And this from an old woman who voted for Reagan.
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 02:29 PM
And YOU, you foolish old man, were stupid enough to mail your Mail-order Mensa certificate to someone on the Blog, who was quite able to track you right down to satellite photo of you !!!
I actually feel embarassed for you when I see you still having Zero life and Zero family, with nothing to do, in between ebay sales, but come in here!
(that's in between your stays in rehab, of course)
Dumyas,Sally, Check this out before you make a fool of yourself again; Greg Palast answers the question, "Was the Iraq War a Bush Cartel Effort to Divert Attention from Saudi Arabia, the Home and Chief Financier of bin Laden?"
"Our President said in his speech in March 2003,that when we go into Iraq, we are going there because Saddam Hussein has harbored, trained and funded terrorists, including those connected to al-Qaeda. If we are going to attack a nation and occupy it because of a connection to al-Qaeda, which never appeared, then what are we doing with Saudi Arabia? They are effectively occupying us financially. We have become a financial colony of the petro-fanatics."
-- Greg Palast
Greg doesn't pull any punches!Greg Palast is author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy." http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/08/29_palast.html
Pam-
33 % approval seems to bring out the crazies, yet again. One must wonder what happens when Bush hits the 29% that sent Nixon to the Stationary Drawer to write and sign his resignation letter.
BBL gotta go to the pharmacy. Have a pleasant day.
Nearly three years ago the United States of America took the unprecedented step of invading a country that posed no immediate threat to our security, launching a war based on fabricated intelligence, false assumptions and outright lies.
Today, as that country plunges headlong into civil war, our leaders continue to fabricate claims of improvements, make false promises of progress and lie outright about our prospects. Their missteps have cost thousands of American lives along with the lives of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
Because of the Iraq war, America is less safe than before September 11, 2001, more reviled throughout the world as an arrogant bully that ignores its own self-professed concern for human rights or integrity, and that has become a laughing stock among the intelligence agencies of other nations.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_doug_tho_060315_going_from_bad_to_wo.htm
Well, here we go again. CNN is running war propaganda footage again. Don't you just love the way they are swarming all over Opeation Swamer? Film of all those Iraqi and American soldiers sitting up in the planes/helicopters laughing shows the progress we are making in this war? It's sick.
Bomb the Iraqi children and make them cry? For what? This operation isn't going to stop the insurgents or stop the rest of the Arab world from helping them. It's only going to hurt the civilans.
Why the MSM thinks this sort of thing is so "glorious" is beyond me. I guess it gives them some good visuals....one hell of a lame reason to champion this sort of destruction for publicity sake.
It's a "dog and poney" air assualt to reassure the American people not help the Iraqi people. Rove isn't fooling anybody. This occuapation is a quagmire, and all the spring offensives in the world will not make it any more successful than the Vietnam War was.
Let those people go and bring our troops home.
you have been hoping for a U.S. defeat
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 02:29 PM
Sally, this is a serious charge. You are Wrong. No one wants to see a US defeat. But some don't want to see the US in a very wrong fight. You can say some want to see an end to the fight. That is fair. But the fight is wrong. We should not be in the fight.
Washington - Undaunted by the difficult war in Iraq, President Bush reaffirmed his strike-first policy against terrorists and enemy nations today and said Iran may pose the biggest challenge for America.
"If necessary, however, under long-standing principles of self defense, we do not rule out the use of force before attacks occur - even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack," Bush wrote.
Was he wearing his Napoleon hat again or just his flight suit?
Pam, I don't think he has much of a reputation worth saving. The civilized world will see this for what it is: Bush the Incompetent defending himself from all imaginary slights and critism. Woe be to those who challenge the Great Oz.
Well it now seems that even David Brooks, a long time conservative and Bush supporter, is jumping ship. Take a look at his column today. http://select.nytimes.com/2006/03/16/opinion/16brooks.html?th It is becoming increasingly evident that the motivation for invading Iraq was something other than WMD and supposed links to Al Queda. Even the GOP pundints are beginning to understand that. Of course, die hard Bush lovers will never give in, no matter what.
It has been determined that the WMD that Saddam had in 1991 were destroyed following the Gulf war. The argument that some remained was based on an account error. That is to say that some appeared to not be accounted for. It did make for a good argument to invade, however.
Posted by AaronM on March 16, 2006 at 03:06 PM
Could you please copy and paste DB's article...some of us can't access it, and Jen doesn't carry him (I don't think) on her blog. Thanks.
you have been hoping for a U.S. defeat
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 02:29 PM For your information,There was a point when Dubya, stood at ground zero and grabbed that blowhorn and shouted "I hear you and soon the people responsible for bringging down these buildings will hear from all of us.At that time, I was very proud to have him as my president. Two years later looking back, I had the feeling he had an earpiece in his ear,listening to someone giving him the,play by play and telling him what to say.
, http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/1703988.php
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you have been hoping for a U.S. defeat
Posted by Sally__** on March 16, 2006 at 02:29 PM For your information,There was a point when Dubya, stood at ground zero and grabbed that blowhorn and shouted "I hear you and soon the people responsible for bringging down these buildings will hear from all of us.At that time, I was very proud to have him as my president. Two years later looking back, I had the feeling he had an earpiece in his ear,listening to someone giving him the,play by play and telling him what to say.
, http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/1703988.php
The far right sometimes proves itself as merely catering to fringe persons with bizarre ideologies that are just this side of mere mental illness.
A new example is that Blogger, a free Blog service owned by Google has had a techinical problem in which a filer, similar to a defective hard drive has taken off a number of Blogs for a few days while the data is being repaired and the problem fixed.
This explanation is not good enough to the lunatic right. Many posting on one right wing Blog imagine that because the Google corporation makes most political donations to Democratic candidates, that some sort of "purge" of right wing Blogs is at issue. Not once do they mention that Blogs dealing with cooking, health, religion, music, art or other nonpolitical issues are affected by this bad filer technical problem as well.
This is the nature of the lunatic right. Always look to some sort of very disturbed conspiracy theory when a simple technical issue is at fault, don't trust polls, imagine that the evening news and newspapers don't print a single word of truth, etc.
Some on the political right have simply elevated a mental illness into a political ideology.
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The far right sometimes proves itself as merely catering to fringe persons with bizarre ideologies that are just this side of mere mental illness.
Sometimes?
Some on the political right have simply elevated a mental illness into a political ideology.
Some?
Speaking of the subject of mental illness, I went Googling for this adage and found a brilliant use of it on Washington Congressman Jim McDermott's website in an article entitled "Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting a Different Result in Iraq":
And we simply have a President who says we are going to stay the course, that we are going to keep doing the same thing we are doing in Iraq because it is the right thing to do and we are going to keep doing it. Well, there is an old joke in psychiatry about the definition of mental illness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time. We get the same result.
This meshes nicely with my overall opinion of conservatives, that they insist on doing what didn't work (at least for the citizens) during the days of the Robber Barons and still didn't work (at least for the citizens) during the Great Depression. They just keep changing the name from the trickle-down (tinkle-down) theory to supply-side economics to compassionate conservatism, but it's still the same old crock of laissez faire and caveat emptor.
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