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Last night to fill out your brackets. Friendly advice, pick Southern Illinois in rounds one & two then brag to your friends about it on Sunday night.
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Go Feingold...you're a true patriot.
Run the Bush GAng off.
Prior to the ’05 off year elections, I was solicited by progressive organizations to help Ohio Democrats support a proposition ending Republican gerrymandering and reverse their dominance of the Ohio congressional delegation. I was simultaneously solicited by liberal groups to help defeat Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s proposition to stop Democratic gerrymandering in that state. Thus I was being asked by liberal organizations to help end gerrymandering in one state but support it in another. Intellectually, I found their simultaneous requests incongruous.
Read, About Gerrymandering: Good Policy Is Good Politics in today's posting of the Intrepid Liberal Journal
Republicans apparently have no heart.
Democrats apparently have no spine.
Support Russ Feingold!
Bulletin!
Bravo Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa!
According to Roll Call, Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa just signed on as cosponsor to Feingold's censure resolution!
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/12561-1.html
Bravo, Senator Harkin!
Iowa rocks!
Call Harkin's office now and voice your resounding support!
Senator Harkin's Office info:
WASHINGTON OFFICE
731 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-3254 Phone
Now, hopefully the rest of the Democrats in the Senate will follow suite.
...We now have a Russ 2008 bumpersticker on our car and truck. Posted by Northwoods on March 15, 2006 at 05:03 PM
Where did you get it from? I'd like to get one.
In a few minutes I’ll be heading to Dallas so I wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for their dialog and commitment to the party. I respect those who oppose my viewpoints even though they despise my expanding assiduousness. Perhaps its time for me to ponder the subject through the eyes of those who feel the most repressed.
I’ll be gone for a few days as I intend to turn my KA B200 south from Dallas and head to South Padre Island to check on my rental condos during spring break. There is nothing like soaring alone in the quietness of the night above 40K feet for meditation and reflection.
Billy Bob,
Excuse my reference to your name, okay? I would prefer to call you William Robert, but I only go on what I know.
If you are expanding your mind as you say you are, if you are willing to look through another's eyes as you say you are, I'm more than willing to talk to you.
It's not effective with an unwilling audience, but if you're up for it, so am I. It won't be the first time I got a straight man to understand the predictament of our community.
Call me cazy. But, is the USA getting ready to put Saddam Hussein back in power in Iraq?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/15/saddam.trial/index.html
Now, hopefully the rest of the Democrats in the Senate will follow suite.
I certainly hope that all Democrats do too.
On another note, remember that photo op that bush had with Jason, the autistic basketball star.
Think Progress has the truth about how bush posed with Jason while cutting funds to allow special needs children access to a fair education.
Shame on you bush, did you kiss Jason while you were screwing him??
Also there's a toll-free number for the Capitol Switchboard - call & ask to be transferred to Sen. Harkin's office:
(888) 355-3588
Or ask to be tranrsferred to any senator's office!
From Firedoglake:
Could it be that Democrats are finally emboldened against a President with a 33% approval rating?Feingold Censure Resolution
Lions
Feingold
Kerry
Boxer
Harkin
MenendezLemmings
Lieberman
Dodd
Thank you, CSColorado!
Keep up the good work.
We Minutemen shall prevail over King George the Worst.
Proud to march with you.
Posted by CSColorado on March 15, 2006 at 06:02 PM
So, does that make it six who have signed on, or are the lions just the ones who have stood up recently?
ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (CNN) -- Federal prosecutors are considering abandoning their crippled death penalty case against al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, a transcript of a closed-door meeting with the judge reveals.
"Without some relief, frankly, I think that there's no point for us to go forward," prosecutor Robert Spencer told U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema after a ruling Tuesday that gutted half his case.
Because of misconduct by a government attorney, Carla Martin, Brinkema decided to bar "any and all witnesses and evidence dealing whatsoever" with aviation security.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/15/moussaoui.trial/index.html
AP) - WEARE, N.H.-In a largely symbolic gesture, voters in Supreme Court Justice David Souter's hometown on Tuesday rejected a proposal to seize his 200-year-old farmhouse as payback for a ruling that expanded government's authority to take property.
Even though voters overwhelmingly agreed to leave Souter's home alone, it would have been safe whatever the outcome.
The vote was prompted by activists angered by the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision last year in a property rights case from Connecticut. Souter sided with the majority in holding that governments can take property and turn it over to private developers.
http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/632/03-15-2006/8e6e000d0d90b32f.html
Posted by BillyBobBo on March 15, 2006 at 04:31 PM
"I was having lunch yesterday in a Mexican café and two women were snuggling and kissing. My thoughts drifted back to this board along with a wish I could join them."
Sounds like a typical straight fantasy to me and not worth your debate with him..........
Former Dem Senator Bob Kerrey called Bush "incompetent" on CBS News.
'Bout time someone said it!
Bravo, Sen. Bob!
lavndr, my thoughts - What does this blog have to do with bbb's fantasy? Last I knew, we were all bitching about the failure of our Senators to support Sen. Feingold in his censure proposal.
If BillyBobCat is having wet dreams, it's not due to anything that's been posted on this blog. Maybe it's just about his desire to rid himself of his born again, neo-con repressive roots.
Via Digby:
There is still a lot of angst, it appears, both in Washington and the blogosphere over Feingold's censure motion. It seems that substantively, the party agrees that Bush broke the law and deserves to be censured, but there is a division among most of the blogosphere and virtually the entire establishment about whether this is a canny move politically. ...
Steve Benen contacted some insiders who told him this:
First, a lot of Dems were bothered by the fact that Feingold took the party off-message. The DP World controversy was still reverberating, and congressional Dems had hoped to keep the momentum going this week with a vote on the "Sail Only if Scanned (S.O.S.) Act," which requires more effective scanning techniques be implemented at our ports, and a bill that would expanding government scrutiny of foreign investments. Instead, both of these are getting less attention because of interest in Feingold's resolution.Second, there's a sense that Feingold helped bring Republicans together. As of last week, the GOP's fissures were showing and all the talk was about Republicans on the Hill exerting independence from the White House. Now, Feingold's resolution has pushed the GOP back together again and Republicans are back on the offensive. Some Dems think the censure resolution basically helped the GOP get off the ropes.
Third, there was not even a hint of party strategy on this. The past couple of years, there's been an effort to try and have Dems coordinate more on major political and policy initiatives. Coordinating Dems is like herding cats, but there's been some progress of late. Feingold, however, decided to go his own way; he announced his resolution without even letting his colleagues know it was coming and with no real regard for what it would do for the party's short-term agenda. Some see this as a slap in the face — if Feingold wanted party support, they said, he should have worked within the party. Instead, Feingold took the lead, and no one followed.
Fourth, Dems saw that Bush was starting another series of Iraq speeches, and the party was ready to pivot from ports to the war. Roll Call noted today that Dems want to "play offense on Iraq." Yesterday, however, whenever a Dem senator tried to talk about the war, reporters just asked about Feingold.
And fifth, one Senate staffer in particular said if Feingold wanted to push warrantless searches again, there were (and are) effective alternatives to a censure resolution. The staffer told me:
"Rather than just rush to a vote, which would be stupid, we want to get Specter to hold a hearing on it in Judiciary where it has been referred. Imagine a hearing with a panel of experts discussing whether Bush's behavior deserves censure. Wouldn't that be much better as a first step then a rushed vote in which we lose and R's declare victory and say we were silly?"
None of these reasons hold up for me. They do not denote timidity, so much as a kind of political blindness.
Let's take them one by one: (read the full post here).
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Posted by Cyn_NY on March 15, 2006 at 06:59 PM
There was a debate on the earilier blog about gay marriage and bbb's fantasy appeared. I thought is was worth pointing since some gave him a break after this entry. I didn't think they caught it. Sorry if I put this out here inappropriately, it wasn't intended.
Lavndr, I didn't mean anything to you. In fact, I saw the post and thought it odd that no one had really called him on it. You are perfectly justified in your post. I am just a little suspicious of where he/she is coming from.
So sorry if you thought otherwise.
atrios has this collection of statements made about the iraq war that are just amazing. i must copy and paste a few for you:
"Now that the combat phase of the war in Iraq is officially over, what begins is a debate throughout the entire U.S. government over America's unrivaled power and how best to use it."
(CBS reporter Joie Chen, 5/4/03)
"The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside liberals, and a few people here in Washington."
(Charles Krauthammer, Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)
"We had controversial wars that divided the country. This war united the country and brought the military back."
(Newsweek's Howard Fineman--MSNBC, 5/7/03)
"We're all neo-cons now."
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)
"The war winds down, politics heats up.... Picture perfect. Part Spider-Man, part Tom Cruise, part Ronald Reagan. The president seizes the moment on an aircraft carrier in the Pacific."
(PBS's Gwen Ifill, 5/2/03, on George W. Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech)
"Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years."
(Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)
"Some journalists, in my judgment, just can't stand success, especially a few liberal columnists and newspapers and a few Arab reporters."
(CNN's Lou Dobbs, 4/14/03)
"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to take that wager?"
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)
"Speaking to the U.N. Security Council last week, Secretary of State Colin Powell made so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is in material breach of U.N. resolutions that only the duped, the dumb and the desperate could ignore it."
(Cal Thomas, syndicated column, 2/12/03)
wow it leaves you breathless doesn't it. history is important. what this bit of history teaches is that cheer leaders belong in the march madness games....not the media.
Posted by Cyn_NY on March 15, 2006 at 07:06 PM
Cyn, sorry I took it wrong. I think the guy/gal was in here under another name just about the same time I started to attend the blog world here (2 months). He baited people and it always brought very angry exchanges. I think debate is good but his/her way was not.
There is an idiot or a Karl Rove attack dog, maybe both, by the name of, Steve Bhaerman, over at, opednews.com, who is telling everyone to send the DNC empty envelopes instead of money. He does not understand the difference between the DNC and other Democratic Party organizations.
The DNC should not be made a scapegoat for the empty promises from ineffective Democrats in Congress! Besides, not giving a contribution to the DNC is like making a contribution to the GOP! It works just like voting folks.
Here is the article:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steve_bh_060314_empty_envelopes_for_.htm
Here is Steve Bhaerman's email address:
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/contact.php?sid=99
Here is a copy of my email to him:
Steve,
What is your problem? Don't you know Howard Dean and the DNC are the only hope the Democrats have left?
Don't you know that all the Democrats who are guilty of the charges you made against the Democratic Party were opposed to Howard Dean becoming the DNC Chairman?
Why are you trying to sabatoge the DNC? After rebuilding the infrastructure that is necessary to take America back from the Republicans and the DINOs, the DNC is short of cash. Now you are actively trying to bankrupt them.
I suspect you of being an idiot, a Karl Rove attack dog, or both!
Respectfully,
Kevin Schmidt
So, does that make it six who have signed on, or are the lions just the ones who have stood up recently? Posted by I_support_human_rights_Why_dont_you
Via Firedoglake:
John Kerry has been saying right out of the gate he would support the resolution, Boxer's office has been confirming that she would and so has Menendez. And now Harkin (above) has signed on as a co-sponsor. Counting Feingold himself, that's five.
Only three Democrats have indicated they definitely don't support the measure -- Dodd, Dayton and (no surprise) Holy Joe.
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Whew, lavndr, glad we got that straightened out. I think it's the same troll that was called driftwood something that so insulted some friends on the blog.
I've read your posts and I am glad you are contributing to this blog. There is a lot of great energy here and, on occasion, some troll invasions. However, the good always prevails.
And, I especially love Lavender! My very favorite calming essential oil.
Posted by gregg on March 15, 2006 at 07:13 PM
It ONLY means that ALL those Yellow Spineless Cheerleaders should be on the next plane to Fallujah.
Let them give up their $2 MILLION BUCK know nothing jobs, and be a target.
And that means Lardball, too.
He is STRESSING that he worked for Jimmy Carter.
YEAH? A-HOLE? YOU ARE ON ABRAMOFF'S PAYROLL NOW.
CS Colorado,
Thank you for posting Digby. I owe you a drink.
I have also read Kevin Drum's post and I am shaking my head where he states:
And the reason that the Democratic response is "muddled" is because too many Democrats are still afraid of being seen as "siding with the terrorists." It has nothing to do with Feingold.
Huh??
However Glenn explains:
But even if the Censure Resolution ultimately fails, the rationale for pursuing it is self-evident. Kevin frequently frets about (among other things) the fact that Democrats are perceived as being weak. The reason for that is because Democrats often are weak, precisely when they do things like abandon their own Senators and refuse to take a principled stand against a President who got caught breaking the law.
Posted by Cyn_NY on March 15, 2006 at 07:27 PM
I'm glad we got that over with as well. You have come to my rescue a couple of times and I appreciate it! words are very tricky especially when writing and not in person.
Yes driftwood came to mind.
Lavender is very calming, but very intense!
Hi all! If this has already been posted I apologize, as I'm not able to keep up. Wanted to share in case. GOP lawmaker swaps parties
Also in case you missed it President Carter and Mattie Stepanek were writing a book when Mattie died. ABC interviewed Carter and Mattie's Mom. Just Peace
how low can he go?
Bush ratings continue to drop to new lows
NBC/WSJ poll: Majority now prefer a Democrat-controlled Congress
By Mark Murray
Political reporter
NBC News
Updated: 6:44 p.m. ET March 15, 2006
WASHINGTON - The latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll might sound like a broken record, but the tune grows louder as congressional midterm elections get closer and closer: President Bush is once again facing the lowest job approval rating of his presidency, the lowest percentage of Americans who believe the country is headed in the right direction, and an electorate that greatly prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress over a Republican-controlled one.
Yet the poll also shows something else that goes beyond the November midterm elections: A strong majority believes Bush is experiencing a long-term setback from which he’s unlikely to recover. “He’s losing his grip on governance,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican Bill McInturff. “It’s now a sense that we’ve seen the best that he’s going to produce as president of the United States.”
Yup, a canary in a coal mine sounds just about right.
Hello All,
Censure is not enough - Bush should be impeach and then turned over to the World Court.
I know this is to much to expect but we need to show the rest of the world that Americans will not allow a leader to pull this type of crap.
Did a search on Justice O'Connor and found this link O'Connor Speaks Out.
Since this is an open thread.....
I just returned home from a year with the Army in Afghanistan, where things have gotten a little more violent as late, particularly in the eastern provinces such as Kunar and Paktika. After my awful experience there, I hate hate hate this administration and all of their crap. I am so ready for something else. Here is the problem...
Point 1:
I pick up the NY Times, and there is an article in the magazine about some former Taliban guy studying at Yale. Several liberals apparently think this is great, and they even threw a fundraiser in Jackson Hole to pay his way. I can't believe this crap!!! What is wrong with these people! My interpreter, an intelligent and open minded young man, was jailed and beaten by the Taliban. Would they support him going to Yale!! I think not.
Point 2:
Hackett in Ohio, strong dude stands for what he believes in. Democrats force him out...WHY WHY WHY!!!!
I am disgusted with all Americans at this point. Fat, lazy, self-centered, and greedy bastards all!!!
I would love to be a Democrat, just let me know when they come back to the ideals of FDR and JFK
Disgruntled Veteran
Trisha on March 15, 2006 at 05:25 PM
Russ2008 bumperstickers: email rdf08@att.net
Also Feingold 2008 (This is a private citizen and paid for by a private citizen....not me, though.)
Interesting unofficial website, not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committeee is: www.russforpresident.com
Also visit Feingold's PAC: www.progressivepatriotfund.com
Ranger, you're an intelligent man. Read. Enlighten yourself. No one has to tell a man of experience what the truth is. Don't blame others. Get on board and help.
ranger995
welcome home...and thank you for your service. while i share your angst, my feelings are directed toward the people who chose to elect Jean Schmidt and not Hackett...
you didn't mention John Kerry...any comments on him? we'd love to see a link on the story to which you refer...sounds like it could be urban legand.
anyway, welcome to the blog
Hello everyone!
Bay State Jim, that's a powerful story about Justice O'Connor. One of my blogger-buds said something like, "too late blondie, you knew what would happen."
i agree with Sandy. She knew. pfffffft
Ranger: What is it really like in Afghanistan? Do the women still have to wear berkas or be beaten? Is their infrastructure up and running? Schools? Can girls go to school? BTW, I am a liberal and would never support and confessed Taliban member.
I have a comment on John Kerry, I will quote myself prior to the election; "there is no way the American people are going to elect a phony war hero and hairball like John F'n Kerry"
And, of course, I was correct.
...and Ranger...don't paint with such a broad brush...there are fat, lazy bastards in this country (mostly Republican) but that is who you fought to defend.(?) I came back from Korea. I know some of the feelings you have. Give yourself some time...but in the meantime become part of the sollution.
Where been all this time Sally/Steve? Did I "conjure" you up by mentioning your name last night?
I would love to be a Democrat, just let me know when they come back to the ideals of FDR and JFK
Disgruntled Veteran
Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 09:10 PM
People with the ideals of FDR and JFK are called trolls here.
So, Sally, they appoint a phoney hairball for acting presidunce
fade2bluz,
The article was in the New York Times magazine, which comes with the Sunday edition of the New York Times, and unless the interviews with Rahmatullah (The Taliban Member mentioned above) and Yale's presdident are fake, then probably not urban legend. I do not have a link, but it was on Sunday March 4th. The entire article is devoted to this former Taliban spokesman. OOO it makes me so mad. These guys were shooting at me and killing people with IEDs. I would not have a problem with an Afghan getting some schooling here, but the Taliban? Meanwhile, non Taliban people are getting tortured in Guantanamo--What a world.
No, Domingo, I just hadn't read this blog in a long time and had the urge to join in. What did you say about me?
Sally, what I can't understand is how did Junior win when almost 60% of Americans think he's a moron. Care to explain that for me?
It is fun to see you all fighting amongst yourself with talk of third parties and such.
Sally, Are you being paid to blog? How much does it take to get anyone to side with the thugs these days? I'd definately tell them you deserve more money!!!
Where is the young Obama and his strong Illinois, senior senator Dick Durbin? Why can't the mid-western senators join Russ Feingold. We need the MW to take the lead and bring the rally for Bush's censure, and press the Republicans on issues of corruption. We need to make the heart of the country declare they are true BLUE believers in the country's future.
The American public is at great odds with their government, and would place most of the blame on the Republican majority. We must continue to distance ourselves from the corrupting, dark forces of Bush and his allies. The righteous public will serve them early retirement come next election, payback. But the public needs to know who the dogs are and who the reformers are.
I told them what you told us about you get back on once you're banned.
Why do trolls often use numbers in their names? Posted by BlueinIdaho on March 14, 2006 at 12:05 PM
because they only know a few letters. Posted by gregg on March 14, 2006 at 12:08 PM
Good one gregg, but that's not why. Sally*/Steve explained it to us a couple of years ago. See, he first comes on with the name "Sally*", and the password "SkunkSally". Then as soon as he gets banned he comes right back on as "Sally1*", with the password "SkunkSally1". After the next banning it becomes "Sally2*", and the password "SkunkSally2" and so on. He's gone through a couple hundred of these already, and it can go on forever until his ISP (Internet Service Provider) address gets blocked.
Posted by Domingo on March 14, 2006 at 09:15 PM
I haven't seen the poll where 60% of Americans think W is a moron.
His poll numbers are low now because the base is pissed. They are mainly pissed on immigration and not using enough muscle to bring Iraq under control.
methinks ranger995 may be bogus. Sally is a quick change artist
Posted by Domingo on March 14, 2006 at 09:15 PM
Posted by Domingo on March 15, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Oh, I expected worse. You can also add extra symbols instead of numbers as I did tonite. But, I do have to re register everytime and choose a new name because the former one is forever banned.
Hey, Sally...how you doin'?
There are definitely two wings in our party, much like what we see in yours...radicals highjacked yours with the notKristian/notRight and the Jack-off greed-gang, Claude the shoplifter abstinance only kid, Delay is going down...
how are you gonna put that genie back in the bottle? Who is your pick after Bush? (assuming they agree to an election in 2008)
xdebx,
In Kabul, where tons of destruction from the ethnic wars is evident, there is a true sense of happiness and desire to move forward. People are genuinely happy to see Americans, and other coalitions forces around. There is lots of construction and very rare incidents of violence.
In Kunar, people are rather indifferent, mostly because there is still a lot of violence there. Planes constantly flying overhead dropping bombs, etc....
As far as women are concerned. In Kabul they are very liberated. They work, teach, shop, and move about freely. In Kunar, women are never seen unless they are in Burkhas. The atmosphere is extremely hostile toward women. A Woman not wearing a burkha outside of the house can be raped and then executed for seducing the man who raped her. This is not legend, I know firsthand. I have seen a man herding his wives with a stick, like a cattle prod. Some women in Kabul wear burkhas because they are afraid of being harrassed by men from outside the city.
Typical pug...not clever enough to answer questions that hit too close to home. Come on liar/crook gotta be in there somewhere, I mean after all that's what pugs are.
billy the kid...cute...are you billybobo too?
you crack me up...must be pretty scary for you, seeing all this grass roots emotionalism...could lead to a voter turnout that will turn out the thugs, theives and losers...at least a few
OK, I'll let you read about the poll yourself.
President Bush is once again facing the lowest job approval rating of his presidency, the lowest percentage of Americans who believe the country is headed in the right direction, and an electorate that greatly prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress over a Republican-controlled one.
Indeed, it’s the situation in Iraq that appears to be at the heart of Bush’s problems. According to the poll — which was taken of 1,005 adults from March 10-13, and which has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points — 61 percent disapprove of Bush’s handling of the situation. Moreover, 57 percent are less confident that the war in Iraq will come to a successful conclusion, which is a seven-point increase since December. And 61 percent say the United States should reduce the number of troops there, while just 31 percent want to maintain the current troop level.
“Everything comes back around to the war,” Hart says. “That seems to set up the president’s basic problem and his basic challenge.”
Republican pollster McInturff puts it this way: “It is hard to pivot … when every day the core decision in your presidency is Iraq” — and the situation there appears grim.
Looking ahead to the midterm elections in November, the poll shows that 50 percent prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress versus 37 percent who want it controlled by Republicans.
In the next election, the Democrats are not likely to pick up the portion of the Republican base that has temporarily abandoned him. I think the Republicans choose Guliani (SP) his abortion stance and all. The war on terror is the number one issue and abortion will be in the hands of the Supreme Court by then.
Sally,
Why is the Republican base pissed that Bush is failing in Iraq? Presumably you are a supporter of his, a retarded Republican, and you praised all of his stupid invasion plans. Are a flip-flopper?
Well Sally, you and everyone on this site are united. We are pissed with the President's handling of Iraq. We all hate a looser. Isn't the Iraq war his showpiece for the War on Terror? We all are united in not wanting to surrender to fanatic, religiious nuts, like Al Queda and the 700 Club.
Let's get rid of all the nuts in the world, so go dissappear Sally.
do you suppose Salley uses two or more computers to blog...? Making the quick change easier?
Ranger,I feel for you.I hope I don't make everyone mad,but I've had it with them all,except for Russ Feingold. I am so sorry you had such a bad experience.There is hope for this country with people like you. I want to thank you for your sevice.You are appreciated and you are a hero. Why Russ Feingold?
Because he too,is fighting for us!http://www.russforpresident.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=4&Itemid=36
See, most people don't like Republicans and want Democrats to be in charge, so why do Republicans keep winning? Or at least say they won? Is it election rigging? Or maybe it's because his followers wear "Red State Spexs"?
Hey Fade, whatever happened to all the regulars here? Where is Schube?
Claude is a negro, he has every right to shoplift after 400 years of oppression.
Ranger, my last post was directed at Sally...hope you didn't misunderstand.
Thanks for sharing about Afghanistan. I'm glad to see at least some of the country allows women to be something other than chattle. I saw a special on TV just before the Afghan war started where women were executed just because their husband accused them of infidelity. They weren't even allowed to defend themselves. At that time w promised to liberate the country from the Taliban and even send the girls to school. And, of course, get Bin Ladin.
I fell for it then, sadly. But no more...the dems aren't perfect, but the thugs are lying, warmongers.
Glad you made it home safely, BTW. And thank you for all that you have endured.
America’s deficit in the broadest measure of international trade surged to a record high of $804.9 billion last year as the U.S. went deeper into debt to foreigners.
The deficit in the current account was up 20.4 percent from the previous record of $668.1 billion set in 2004, the Commerce Department said Tuesday.
followthemoney,
I assure you that I am real, and it bothers me that you immediately think that anyone who questions stuff must be a troll. How very republican of you. I came here trying to get back something. I just wanted to discuss stuff intelligently, and I have to deal with your crap.
Ranger, I have seen lots of guys "come back"...none profess to be angry in the way you do. There is a deffinant immaturity and lack of depth in the way you say what you say. What was your unit...where did you take basic, what is TOE?
Dems, now is your chance to start framing these topics surrounding the Bush Administration in time for the reality of the situation to sink in to the heads of all Americans! Your GOAL DATE is NOT Novemer 2006; Your goal date is JUNE 2006! Why? Because the DEMS should convince Americans to REGISTER TO VOTE FAR IN ADVANCE OF THE ELECTION so the polls are flooded!
You must start NOW, IMMEDIATELY! (Embrace Sen. Feingold's effort as the seredipitous launch of this crucial drive!)
You are the LEADERS with the INSIDE information on what is going on. DO YOUR JOB and REPORT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE as you would report to any other employer who wants to know how the bunsiness is going!
TELL EVERYBODY HOW THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT IS GOING--and NOT going! Let the people know the truth, tell the Citizenry exactly what the MEDIA isn't adequately informing them about! Clarify what Bush&Co lie have confused, and what the Corporate Media has complicitly failed to sort out.
Bush and CO. have HIJACKED this Nation and is duping the Citizenry. This is the truth. And this is our last chance to tell the people about it!
Bush -- in his hokey flight jacket -- has hijacked this Nation like a terrorist hijacks an airplane. And the majority of Americans want clear talk AND ACTION about it, and only the Elected Leadership can provide that with instant credibility! Bold courage and standing firm with clear-speaking are the ingrediants that will make plain old elected officials into the HEROES the American Citizenry will embrace, support, and THANK for saving this Nation from the Bush Crime Cabal that is stealing from us, confiscating our public assets, in natural disasters and in foreign lands.
Take your campaign ad dollars and forget the goofy short ads that do nothing but add to the confusion. Purchase whole segments on radio and talk clearly and urgently about the reality, just as you would for any other public emergency. Explain you are forgoing usual ads, because this is not a usual situation. Break the mold now, before Bush&Co makes it impossible to do so.
This is it. There's no luxury of time to mull over this stuff anymore! The Tortoises in the Democratic Party have to allow the Hares in the Democratic Party to win the race. Those who love analysis and policy first and foremost must allow those who excel at action and contact to PERFORM!
I never said we were failing in Iraq. But Victory is taking too long and could be speeded up.
Claude is a negro, he has every right to shoplift after 400 years of oppression.
Posted by Sally__** on March 15, 2006 at 09:39 PM
ROTFLMAO...Schube is probably exercising right about now...he's lost thirty pounds and was in the process of buying a house, so he's been busy. i miss him.
Russ and McCain lead campaign finance reform.
Russ is asking for censure of Bush's illegal spying.
Russ voted against going into IRaq under Bush, and his speech was exceptional.
We have a real leader in Russ.
Kerry and Hillary pale in comparison, but they are still much better choices than the BrokeBack Cowboys screwing the nation.
Claude is a negro, he has every right to shoplift after 400 years of oppression.
Posted by Sally__** on March 15, 2006 at 09:39 PM LOL,His salary was $170000.00 a year.
Follow the money,
Sick Sally just posts and posts and should be completely ignored, eventually he will go jerk off.
do you suppose Salley uses two or more computers to blog...? Making the quick change easier? Posted by followthemoney on March 15, 2006 at 09:37 PM
No, what I thinks going is "Sally*" finds a friend from a Right Wing blog to "relay post" for him from another computer because his ISP address is blocked. Sally/Steve always comes on with a "buddy". I'm I right Steve?
xdebx,
I agree with you, and I like what I see in Feingold. I just don't like the major moves by the party. I am sure they will make an effort to force out Feingold as well. The Hackett thing really upset me, because I thought he would stand up to the jackasses.
O J had over 10,000,000 in the bank when he murdered his wife. What is your point Diana?
I never said we were failing in Iraq. But Victory is taking too long and could be speeded up.
I asked you this many times before, what is "Victory"? I think I remember you saying that "Victory" is using Iraq as a base to invade Iran, is that right?
Posted by Domingo on March 15, 2006 at 09:46 PM
No Domingo, they were blocking ISPs but then I would just use a different one from the multitude Netscape has to choose from around the country. So when they would block an ISP they would block anyone from that ISP who wanted to post. Now the block by IP and I have to use a proxy server.
Ranger, We're pretty pist about that one too. But here are the choices. Pugs=Facism and more war and possibly nuclear annihilation. DLC=Continued catering to the corporations, but no war and fund cuts to our WMD makers. DNC=Government by the people and for the people. If we try to separate the DNC at this time the pugs win. DLC/DNC combo for now and keep fighting every election after until we own the country again.
Domingo, the only question I would have with that is...A friend? Where/how on earth would Salley find/have a 'friend'? A conspiritor, maybe.
Victory is when all of these Al Qaeda or Bathist hairballs are pushing up Daisies.
When the Democrats win a national election Wal Mart will start stocking Burqas.
Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) has alleged in a letter to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that President Bush signed a version of the Budget Reconciliation Act that, in effect, did not pass the House of Representatives.
Further, Waxman says there is reason to believe that the Speaker of the House called President Bush before he signed the law, and alerted him that the version he was about to sign differed from the one that actually passed the House. If true, this would put the President in willful violation of the U.S. Constitution.
The full text of the letter follows:
maybe an hour of something rational...a little bridge. bbl
Did you guys know that the pugs have to pay people to blog? How much Sally? Totally ask for a raise cause you're defending nixon now.
They will be available in blue or black. It won't be fair to the pretty girls but the ugly or dumpy gals might approve.
For sally,You can't fool me.http://www.warnerreprise.com/qt-ref/neilyoung_rockininthefreeworld-newcut_ref.mov
Followthemoney,
This will be the last time I am quizzed by the likes of you. I originally was a Marine so I did not go through basic, I went to Boot Camp at Paris Island in 1988. I then joined the Army, and went to Airborne, Air Assault, and Ranger class 995. I served in Afghanistan as an ETT (Embedded Training Team) member advising the Afghan National Army. I did so in Kunar, Laghman, and Nangarhar provinces. If you would like to get into this further, I can email you my DD214 from the Marines and Army, Ranger Tab Orders, My CIB, and Bronze Star orders. I forget what exactly TOE stands for, but I have known it as MTOE, and it has to do with the Task Organization of a unit for both personnel and equipment. I helped an ANA company fullfill theirs.
Now, can we talk about something like why the democrats forced out Hackett?
Victory is when all of these Al Qaeda or Bathist hairballs are pushing up Daisies.
So we have to "Kill 'em all!" then? We have to stay and babysit that country for years? Spending our country into bankruptcy doing it? That's what you want?
Uh, Sally, think you've got that one confused. It's the pugs that hate women and gays. Pugs are the ones who don't think anyone should actually enjoy themselves. No real difference between the fundamentalist Christians or Muslims.
and do we know what or if Pelosi did anything regarding the letter that Waxman wrote to her??
more canaries....
Bush to reaffirm preemption as security strategy
"President Bush plans to issue a new national security strategy Thursday reaffirming his doctrine of pre-emptive war against terrorists and hostile states with chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, despite the troubled experience in Iraq," begins a story slated for the front page of Thursday's Washington Post, RAW STORY has learned.
Excerpts from the article written by Peter Baker:
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In his revised version, Bush offers no second thoughts about the preemption policy, saying it "remains the same" and defending it as necessary for a country in the "early years of a long struggle" akin to the Cold War. In a nod to critics in Europe, the document places a greater emphasis on working in concert with allies and declares diplomacy to be "our strong preference" in tackling the threat of weapons of mass destruction.
Speaking of Nixon, here's something.
Some boys for Henry
A code of silence was upheld rigidly by those near Kissinger, the same way a Capital Hill staff might protect its alcoholic Congressman boss. Protecting Kissinger didn't involve shielding his private life from public view. It meant keeping Kissinger's personal view of Richard Nixon secret - from the public, from the press and from the President's own staff. Kissinger's basic attitude toward the President was one of loathing and contempt. Both Eagelberger and Scowcroft knew that that secret was perhaps more significant than those stored in Kissinger's safes. It's disclosure could destroy Kissinger, they felt, and the country's foreign policy as well. As the Watergate crisis intensified, keeping Kissinger in office came to be viewed by some, and that included Kissinger, Scowcroft and Eagleberger - as essential to the national security.
The three of them doubted that Nixon could handle foreign affairs without Kissinger. They believed that the key to America's foreign policy was not only Kissinger's experience and intellect, but also his stature. It was a balancing force against Nixon. If Nixon were to run foreign affairs without Kissinger, they reasoned, the sloppiness that marked his handling of Watergate, particularly the cover-up, would leave its mark on foreign policy.
Neither Eagleberger nor Scowcroft thought that all of Kissinger's negative feelings toward the President were justified. His frequent descriptions of Nixon as irrational, insecure and maniacal could at times just as easily apply to Kissinger as the President, they believed. But at least Kissinger was not sloppy. Even at his worst, Kissinger was less dangerous.
Each knew the strange history of the Nixon-Kissinger relationship intimately. What they hadn't heard from Kissinger himself they had picked up from Haig and others at NSC and State. Yet not even their knowledge was sufficient to explain the incomprehensible behavior of these two men.
In the beginning, the summer of 1968, when received the Republican presidential nomination, Kissinger was bitterly disappointed. His mentor, Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York, had failed to win the nomination. Kissinger had told friends and associates that Nixon was "unfit" for the presidency, "dangerous," capable of unleashing nuclear war. Then, three weeks after his election in 1968, Nixon had asked Kissinger to serve as his national-security adviser. Meeting with the President-elect, Kissinger shifted his assessment. The man whose approach to foreign policy he had regarded as hopelessly shallow and unsophisticated appeared to him now far more subtle and complex. Kissinger detected in Nixon a pragmatism which might conquer the ideological rigidities that had marked the politics of this coldest of cold warriors. He had discussed the matter with Rockefeller. Rockefeller didn't like Nixon personally, but he urged Kissinger to accept. That way, both men could keep their feet in the door. The forty-five-year-old Harvard professor took the job.
Through William P. Rogers, an old Nixon friend, had been named Secretary of State, Kissinger was in control of most of the foreign-policy and national-security paper flow to the president. Installed in the West Wing basement, Kissinger aspired to a personal relationship with Nixon similar to the one he had with Rockefeller, in which two men guided by the same general approach to foreign affairs reached decisions jointly.
Instead, Kissinger found himself screened off from the President by the bureaucratic stops that Haldeman had created at Nixon's direction. Just like every other member of the new Administration, Kissinger dealt with Nixon primarily on paper, not in the easygoing, informal kind of conversation he had enjoyed with Rockefeller. Both Haldeman and Ehrlickman, he complained, were determined to him at a distance from Nixon. The President's two principal aides were "idiots" and "Nazis," he said. What kind of man would surround himself with such imbeciles? For their part, Haldeman and Ehrlickman openly ridiculed Kissinger: he could not be trusted because of his liberal friends. Ehrlickman half jokingly insinuated that Kissinger was "queer", and wondered aloud to Kissinger assistants whether Henry, a divorced bachelor, would know what to do to with a girl at a Georgetown cocktail party. "Were there any boys at the party for Henry?" Ehrlickman once asked, pleased with his own joke.
from the book The Final Days
Why not ignore Sally, and discuss something.
I guess I have to go somewhere else to do that.
I did go to a meeting of the Labor party a few weeks back, and I liked what I saw a lot.
And followthemoney, I have every right to be pissed. I thought I was going over to help fight the war on terror. That is not what we are doing, so I am officially out of the military as of today---I just finished my termial leave.
Anyway, xdebx, I will vote democrat because what other choice do I have. However, I probably won't like it.
As for John Kerry, I voted for him. From what I see, he used to really stand for something, but politics just got him a little confused. Oh well.
No real difference between the fundamentalist Christians or Muslims.
Posted by xdebx on March 15, 2006 at 10:01 PM
There are several big differences, Fundamentalist Christians do not fly airplanes full of passengers into buildings, they don't blow themselves up to kill others, they don't behead people and they don't disembowel children in order to enter heaven.
Now, can we talk about something like why the democrats forced out Hackett?
Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 09:59 PM
gather youself, stand tall and quit whining...educate yourself on the issues and present a coherent argument.
Ask Hackett why he quit...you may be supprised.
That Talaban guy going to yale,that makes alot of sence.Check this out. Scholars Question Cheney's Role in 9/11 http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060313/bs_prweb/prweb357922_1
Follow: You're being too hard on Ranger...he's not Sally. He just is in the same boat as us in that he doesn't understand that the dems range from those who really like the corporate money to those that are willing to take our country back from the corporations.
Ranger, what topic?
Sally...ignoring you unless you answer whether or not you are being paid to blog.
ranger, you have a right to be pissed. you came to the right place...i highly recommend mike malloy on air america radio...
i like to go to bed "screaming"...as the promo goes
we're all pissed...but most of us have been activists for a long time. i'm glad to see you here...come back and speak your mind. even if we disagree, it's good to have your point of view.
we love our constitution...on this, we all agree
Now, can we talk about something like why the democrats forced out Hackett? Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 09:59 PM
The quote-unquote "Democrats" did not "force out" Paul Hackett. The DLC Democrats tried to talk him out of running because they don't like anti-Bush Democrats in the Party.
And followthemoney, I have every right to be pissed. I thought I was going over to help fight the war on terror. That is not what we are doing
You're absolutly right about one thing, Ranger...anyone who has worn a uniform, looked down a gun barrell in hostile action and then found that why they thought they were doing it was not really WHY they were doing it has a right to be pissed.
And, if we are not "fighting terror" (and I agree) then what are we doing?
Followthemoney,
Ok, this is my last post to you. Educate myself on the issues? What friggen issues are you refering too? What issues have I even mentioned other than Hackett and an article I read in the NY Times magazine. Is it immature as you say to get angry about an article. Why don't you educate yourself about the types of students Yale is taking on like Ernesto Zedillo, etc... What do you know about me you jerk!
The reason why I am mad about Hackett is that I just saw him getting interviewed on TV about why he left the race. He was asked to by Schumer and other Democrats to quit.
I think that YOU are the troll. Before I even get a chance to talk about any issues you start calling me names and challenging my validity. Then you tell me to educate myseld about the issues, when we haven't even talked about one.
I am very well read, and I don't like to discuss issues that I don't know anything about.
You seem to jump down people's throats before they have a chance to speak.
Thanks for being so open minded and willing to talk about things.
You know what, scew this--go ahead and follow the money jackass!!
Whatever happened to that muslim guy who used to post here? He never answered my several well thought out questions. Like:
IF I disembowel several children and then blow myself up killing several others and I get to heaven and am issued my 72 virgins; what happens when I use up a virgin and she is no longer a virgin? Am I issued a new virgin or am I now down to 71 virgins and eventually no virgins at all?
Look at the mug on this guy, and that mouth. doesn't he look like a smirking chimp?
Ranger...take the soapbox, tell us what a soldier is thinking and feeling after being used for corporate gains, none of the which the working class will see.
Feingold should be supported by EVERY Single Democrat but as we are learning that is not to be. Democrats in Congress are thinking of their own elections and how to win the vote. It is really sad to see that they care less about the truth and will not stand up.
Hackett To his supporters: "Just get over it, move on ... "There's no point in sitting around saying 'what if ... ' '' http://education.apple.com/education/ilife/project_template.php?project_id=91&subject_id=1
Domingo, there is a new commercial on TV where they show people with chimp faces...one looks exactly like w.
I am disgusted with all Americans at this point. Fat, lazy, self-centered, and greedy bastards all!!!
I think that YOU are the troll. Before I even get a chance to talk about any issues you start calling me names and challenging my validity. Then you tell me to educate myseld about the issues, when we haven't even talked about one.
I am very well read, and I don't like to discuss issues that I don't know anything about.
Now just who is it calling people names and being a whiner?
xdebx and everyone else but FTM,
Sorry for the outburst, but I came here just to get a feel for things and talk about what is going on in the Democratic party. I wanted to understand why Hackett was asked to quit by Democrats. I can't understand it. He seems to be exactly what the party needs.
I think Russ Feingold is one of the best senators out there, because he is independent. I would vote for him in a primary, and I can't believe no one is supporting him on the censure.
Like I said, I went to check out the Labor party, because they are making some noise among unions and such in South Carolina. In any case, they are pretty sound in that they have established issues that they are for, sort of like a platform. They are firm in their shared ideals--something the Democrats sorely need. There is a big tent for Democrats, but there still should be some kind of established written core issues that we pull together on and stick to. It is easy to let others set the tone, when we are just responding to their agenda. Democrats need a set agreed upon platform to push.
Taliban Student At Yale
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060301/ts_alt_afp/usattackstalibanyale_060301194657
Diana, As sad as the video is it's great to see teens caring enough to produce it.
Ken Mehlman "hearts" Joe Lieberman
Matthews: Karl Rove, who is the president's deputy chief of staff and his political adviser, has said there's a pre-9-11 thinking among Democrats. They don‘t get what you just said. Is that what you believe? Democrats don't get the world you described.
Mehlman: I think Joe Lieberman does. I think a lot of the Democratic leaders don't.
Sally...ignoring you unless you answer whether or not you are being paid to blog.
Posted by xdebx on March 15, 2006 at 10:14 PM
I wish someone would pay me but they don't. There are not enough posters here or not a large enough audience for that.
I did offer to write one liners for Ann Coulter but she hasn't answered back yet.
Courtesy of Kos, here's a list of Democrats who supported censure of Clinton but haven't come out in favor of Feingold:
Daniel Akaka, Max Baucus, Byron Dorgan, Dick Durbin, Dianne Feinstein, Daniel Inouye, Jim Jeffords, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Herb Kohl, Mary Landrieu, Carl Levin, Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln, Barbara Mikulski, Patty Murray, Jack Reed, Harry Reid, Jay Rockefeller, Chuck Schumer, Ron Wyden
Keep calling these Senators as well as your own and asking them to stand with Senator Feingold and publicly support the President's censure.
More on the Taliban ambassador/student from the Wall Street Journal:
Bookman,
Thanks for posting that article. That isn't the one I was referring to, rather it seems like some kind of response. In any case, it just bothered me.
The US State Department said that there was nothing improper about giving a visa to a former spokesman for the Taliban who has been studying at prestigious Yale University.
unbef#ckinlievable
Ranger - I can't access the NYT article. It's by subscription.
George Bush isn't Bill Clinton and lying about sex sure isn't the same as breaking the law to spy on American citizens. This is much more serious and the Democrats need to stand with Feingold and be counted. http://www.russforpresident.com/
The country is so ready to move away from the pugs. I spend my free time writing/calling Senators and Congressmen and women and insisting that they stand up. The main problem is that the media crucifies anyone who speaks out against the neo-cons and the media covers for the neo-cons. Anyone without a pc is being brainwashed by the media and even those with a pc must hunt for the truth. The dems are scared and scarred...I'm doing my best to have their backs if they'll just stand up to the corruption.
FYI:
Rep. Luther Johnson (D.-Texas), in the debate that preceded the Radio Act (predecessor to the Fairness Act) of 1927 said: "American thought and American politics will be largely at the mercy of those who operate these stations, for publicity is the most powerful weapon that can be wielded in a republic. And when such a weapon is placed in the hands of one person, or a single selfish group is permitted to either tacitly or otherwise acquire ownership or dominate these broadcasting stations throughout the country, then woe be to those who dare to differ with them. It will be impossible to compete with them in reaching the ears of the American people."
There is a big tent for Democrats, but there still should be some kind of established written core issues that we pull together on and stick to. It is easy to let others set the tone, when we are just responding to their agenda. Democrats need a set agreed upon platform to push.
Posted by ranger995
That "big tent" includes pro-Republican Democrats and anti-Republican Democrats. They can't agreed upon platform to push. One group wants to stop Republican tyrany and crime, and the other group wants to suport it.
The Senators that supported censure of Clinton were doing so as an alternative to impeachment. It was a different situation-those Senators were on Clinton's side.
Furthermore, this guy only has a fifth grade education, and no HS diploma. I wonder which 3.8 student got declined because of him. He's studying terrorism and its effects, BTW.
A soldier who has had his finger along side an m16 trigger for a couple of years has more reserve than an 18 year old kid who still has zitts and can't discuss an issue without flipping out of control. What do you know about SC politics, ranger? That gets close to my area.
Domingo,
I agree, but there has to be something, not political, but some issues that are common. For example:
As a ______, I am for universal health care, a woman's right to choose. fair wages for all, a true free market--free from corporate monopolies, protecting the environment from special interests, etc... These are the things that bring our many faces together.
Core issues we could constantly bring the topic back to. That is what the republicans did. We all know what all republicans stand for, everything else they differ on, but there is a core set of issues they push. That is how they win elections, we just respong to their tyranny. Let's set a new tone. Let's constantly bring the conversations to what is important.
Like I said, I went to check out the Labor party, because they are making some noise among unions and such in South Carolina. In any case, they are pretty sound in that they have established issues that they are for, sort of like a platform. They are firm in their shared ideals--something the Democrats sorely need. There is a big tent for Democrats, but there still should be some kind of established written core issues that we pull together on and stick to. It is easy to let others set the tone, when we are just responding to their agenda. Democrats need a set agreed upon platform to push.
Posted by ranger995 on March 15, 2006 at 10:29 PM
For someone who claims to have gotton out of the Army today this is pretty strong opinion about what we should do in our political arena. How does one fall in with the "Labor" party on the day they get out of the Army?
FTM,
I know that the Labor party has enough support down there from disgruntled Union members to establish themselves and field candidates for local office. Why are they so disgruntled? Because the Democrats have forgotten them. The Dems expect their vote, but won't adress any of their issues. In come the Labor people, who really seem to be rallying around the workers. Just what South Carolina needs. I would love to see some third party people get into office. Maybe that would wake the Dems up.
FTM,
I have not fallen in love with the Labor party, and I have not been a member of any party for a little while. I just like the way they are focused on what is important to them, and passionate about it. I used to be a member of the Democratic party, but I won't financially support them again until they start getting some passion and strength.
With the internet the way it is, it is easy to keep track of issues, even in Afghanistan. When I was not on mission, I read the papers, and looked into things. Better than playing video games. Are you going to challenge me on everything and not talk about the topics that I am writing about?
I am a huge Wes Clark fan. The guy is brilliant and one of those people that want to do what is right, not what makes them and their friends rich. Check out securingamerica.com if you haven't already.
Core issues we could constantly bring the topic back to. That is what the republicans did. We all know what all republicans stand for, everything else they differ on, but there is a core set of issues they push. That is how they win elections,
I'd say the "problem" is we don't know what the Republicans stand for, what we know is what they say they stand for, and it's all lies. They say they "stand for" freedom, while they take our freedoms away. Sure, they stand for more "freedom" for rich folks, but the rest of they want to turn into slaves. They say they "stand for" less government, but they make the government as big as they can. They increase it's size, but only for means of controlling it's citizens, not for helping them out. See the last point. They say they "stand for" less taxes, but they wont tell you they only stand for less taxes for the people rich enough to give them some money. They want "the little people" to be the ones to pay all the country's taxes, but they can't tell them that because there aren't enough poor voters vs rich voters, and they need to fool enough suckers to win. The only why I see to counter this is by exposing their lies. That's why I blog.
xdebx,
Ok, that is what I was looking for, but look at the core values. They are vague things like
Good Education for all
Who is not for that, but what do they mean specifically? Republicans make the same claim, and what did we get? No child left behind, a policy--a crappy policy--but a spelled out policy. Tax breaks for rich people who send their kids to private school.
How about: We are for improving the public education system so that everyone has access to a good education.
Then put forward a proposal for exactly what that means. How about something like setting higher standards for teacher certification, and investing in better wages and benefits for teachers who serve in public schools.
And what about Health care, just what is the party proposing? Are we finally backing universal healthcare, like Howard Dean? Or are we supporting the free market BS?
That is what I mean, put some meat behind the phrases, and get everyone on message.
Howdy again,