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So far, he's got my time, money and caucus vote. I'm not sure if there's ever been a president from Wisconsin. The thought of there being one is sort of neat.
Hmmm...
I would love to know why no one stood with Russ Feingold on the censure.
I want to know in what way Joe Lieberman is a Democrat.
I want to know why there are still no Democrats running for the House in certain districts that are obviously skewed towards Republicans...
I have reservations....about a lot and I would love a few answers.
Posted by Dwakeman on March 17, 2006 at 09:31 PM
What do the people at your precinct caucus say? Who are they planning to vote for this year in state and national races?
George W. Bush: From Cheerleader to Cowboy
"Did you know that GW's only real claim to fame, is that he was head cheerleader at his all male private high school? No? Attached please find a news article that mentions this, plus some real and unreal photos of GW in action
George Bush never had to worry about not making an insurance payment, car payment or mortgage payment. Our "wartime" president has never lived the mundane life of waking up each weekday, commuting to work and putting in a set number of hours only to return home and do it all over again, day after day after day. Bush has never experienced the redundant yet challenging life required of many responsible Americans. Given the extreme amount of time Bush spends on holiday, he could never fathom only having two weeks of vacation per year.
America should be aware that despite the façade created by his public relations team, George W. Bush is yet another privileged child who has never truly experienced American life, American struggle, or sadly, even the satisfaction of overcoming extremely difficult times through hard work and self reliance. While George W. Bush seems to have done many things in his lifetime, where are the actual accomplishments that make him a fit and qualified leader of this great nation???? http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/1703988.php
I want more than a cheerleader for president.
To think it made a difference when one says, STAND UP AND BE HEARD!!! Still, I digress...
YOU want to call DEAN a leader, then where is he? I see MANY posts and comments here, but where is the response?
OVER 700 posts supporting FEINGOLD and not one comment in ANY MAJOR news agency calling his counterparts to task?
REID is in the leadership, should we give him a free pass too? If this indifference was allowed to happen back in the 60's then Rosa Parks would have moved to the back of the bus to avoid crticizing the system that was in place...
One cannot think that this is happenstance that the DEMOCRATS have gotten weak on everything, and HOPING that we get seats back in NOV is NO STRATEGY!
It should be an all or nothing proposal, because the party has NOTHING now!!! The party cannot introduce any meaningful legislation, nor can they support their own!
It is furstrating for MANY and WE REFUSE to give a free pass to those who call themselves a leader! Make a decision and make a stand, at least it shows some type of backbone!!!
But, Republican...NEVER!!! However, I give credit where it is due! Even though they have robbed, killed, destroyed, and lied...They have stuck together!
If the DEMS have the moral majority on their side, then why is it that MOST of America have no idea "if" they have a plan??? And save the BS about building from the inside, because DEAN knows better!
But then again, I guess it is too much for a man to ask that someone have the ability to make a yes or no decision in the face of tyranny...You'd rather have me give a pacifying response and a tap on the shoulder...
Well, PamB was right, DEAN did not have ANYTHING to do with Hackett...but he is just as guilty!!!
"As Harry Reid and the Democrats kill off Paul Hackett because he tried to reform the way business is done in Washington, it is instructive to also remember what Beltway Dems did to Howard Dean's campaign during the 2004 elections. They aren't open to reform or competition. - jf"
It is quite funny that DEAN came out afterwards, and he conveniently missed this opportunity too??? Hmmmm... If Mehlman can stomp for DUMBYA, then DEAN should stomp for change as well, shouldn't he?
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." -Martin Luther King, Jr.
Should Congress authorize drilling in a small area of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge? VOTE!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7065544/
A father who set out to avenge his son's death yearns to go home.U.S. soldier sees personal mission fade in Iraq; In the desert chill, on the lonely nighttime roads of Iraq, Joe Johnson looks out over his machine gun and thinks of Justin.
It was on Easter morning 2004 that a chaplain and a colonel appeared on Joe and Jan Johnson’s Georgia doorstep with the news. Justin, the boy Joe had fished and hunted with, the soldier son who’d gone off to Iraq a month earlier, was suddenly dead at 22, killed by a roadside bomb planted in a Baghdad slum.
Today it’s Joe who mans the M-240 atop a Humvee, warily watching the sides of the road, an unlikely Army corporal at 48, a father who came here for revenge, a Christian missionary on a crusade against Islam, and a man who, after six months at war, is ready to go home. “I really don’t want to kill innocent people,” he now says. “I don’t want to live with that the rest of my life.”http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880691/
Hmmm...
I would love to know why no one stood with Russ Feingold on the censure.
I want to know in what way Joe Lieberman is a Democrat.
I want to know why there are still no Democrats running for the House in certain districts that are obviously skewed towards Republicans...
I have reservations....about a lot and I would love a few answers.
Posted by Dwakeman on March 17, 2006 at 09:31 PM
Dwakeman...
The answers you seek are mired in confusion about who does what? This is thr problem here...
So let me break this down...
First, DEAN is the Chairman...of what seems to be ambiguous at the moment...
Instead of galvanizing the party, he posts polls about common news events and is leading a re-organization of the party (I think)...
Now, as for supporting FEINGOLD...The party is full of career politicians more worried about getting re-elected instead of standing on principle...
Joe Liberman is a REPUBLICAN!!! he just has not declared his intention, but he is a BUSH lover and everyone is afraid to say it! Including DEAN!
As for the party attempts to win back the House/Senate...It looks dim! Sure, I speak my mind; however, so does Gore and FEINGOLD, and they are the ONLY two to do so!
EVERYONE ELSE is muted by the fear of their misguided patriotism and career ambitions to retain their seats in Washington.
I have hope for my friends (Veterans) who are ruunning for congress. There is no clear plan and there is clear inadequate representation for the DEMOCRATS and the ONLY person that can save this sinking ship is BILL CLINTON!
Other than that, VOTE for GORE/FEINGOLD, because ANYONE else running for President IS NOT worth your time!
> George W. Bush: From Cheerleader to Cowboy
Ironic that he should be so homophobic. To coin a phrase, "That is so gay!"
Should Congress authorize drilling in a small area of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge? VOTE!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7065544/
Posted by lavndrblue on March 17, 2006 at 09:58 PM
No they shouldn't...But without unity between DEMS in Congress, they can do whatever they want...And the DEMS will cower away to their office saying they put up a fight...
But, the vote was 49-51 and if they had a better message they could have probably blocked the measure...However, there was NO LANGUAGE written by the DEMS to stop the measure...
Isn't that interesting?
To Howard Dean and the Democratic Talking Heads:
If 70% of Americans are against Bush and his Iraq War, but 69% of the Republicans favor the war, it is clear that unless the Dems get control over Congress, we will be there for too long and continue to make too many mistakes.
The PEW polling this week clearly supports all Independents and Dems to vote Democratic and take the house and senate. Talk this up! ON TV, in the NEWS, every chance you get.
I think that if we go into Iran, there is no doubt that we will need a draft......
No not for the army, for Halliburton.
I mean, we are re-bombing Iraq so they are going to need more employees to rebuild (not to mention the accountants to steal our nations money)
They are the lead in the Port deal.
They are one of the main contractor in New Orleans.
Yep, no doubt about it. They will need more people.
NY Times Conservative David Brooks says, that partisianship changes how you see reality. A Republican Congress will therefore see this mess in Iraq as a winning strategy, similar to Bush, Rumsfeld and Chendy. I say we have to fire the team and their cheerleaders, the entire Republican congress, or be prepared to suffer ourselves and undermine peace in the middle east.
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 17, 2006 at 10:14 PM
ya know, you are really starting to get on my nerves. what else did they do yesterday?
you're an annoying little nuisance, like a zit, not quite ripe enough to squeeze. i'm disgusted with your trolling...
thankfully, the programs which were almost totally destroyed by the bush budget were saved...
you're not a democrat...eff off, tell ollie to eff off, and g.gordon and the other convicted felons can kiss my kickin' ass
normally, i don't respond to trolls in this manner, but you all wouldn't be here if you thought there wasn't a huge problem. your ridiculous bomb nothing and take picture day was a big fiasco. the pretend scary people in Chicago made fools of you, again. the polls show more support for Censure, 29% among rePublicans...LMAO...than what you've bothered to mention...
we are the grass roots and our leadership doesn't tell us what WE THINK, or how to feel...we are Democrats...find another name and get more clever, please...this is tedius
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 17, 2006 at 10:14 PM
"But, the vote was 49-51 and if they had a better message they could have probably blocked the measure...However, there was NO LANGUAGE written by the DEMS to stop the measure..."
I read that they didnt write up an alternative because they said they couldnt win. Two Votes?, I mean come on. With that kind of attitude it makes you wonder if they will even put up a candidate for president. give me a break.
Grow some b*11s.
Cheney off broke the tie on the Kennedy amendment...
oh yeah, Cheney off...are you alone, two or three? loser
The problem with today's Democratic "leaders" is that too many of them want to be like Reagan but would rather drag the party down with them than go over to the other side. A big part of the downfall of the party began when its social agenda took a back seat to waging wars for the defense of capitalism at the expense of democracy. Even the Cuban missile crisis might never have come up if it hadn't been for the Bay of Pigs aggression, the first of many interferences in Latin American self-government.
Posted by fade2bluz on March 17, 2006 at 10:32 PM
boy can two people see things differently. I saw the post as a reaction to the senate dems not even attempting to remove the artic language from the bill. I read the same thing so I saw it as a call to arms. you see trolls.
I hope you dont see me as a troll because I think the democrats need to fight back more.
I see not much has changed and this blog becomes a personal message board, overlooking important political issues to help our country return to normal. Hopefully members of the media and/or Howard Dean and his people are reading.
Is it possible to cut all of the personal crap and get to the politics of it all. Get a life and use this blog to help our nation preserve democracy, yada yada!
The dedicated Dems need to keep their eye on the ball and not be distracted by the crazzed republicans who only want to vet their emotional instability.
The issue is how to take back the government from the disaster that has confronted us. From adding 4 trillion in additiona debt that is bankrupting our nation, to the messes we have created globally, to failure to prepare for Bird Flu or even support the bills to protect AMericans to Katrina, and on and on.
I believe that if 69% of the Republicans like things as is, including IRAQ, the Independents will vote with Dems and change the politics of this nation. We cannot change that crazed base, or the 30% that loves Bush. But it is clear that they are the 69% Republicans. WE CAN VOTE THEM OUT.
Good luck.
The dedicated Dems need to keep their eye on the ball and not be distracted by the crazzed republicans who only want to vet their emotional instability.
The issue is how to take back the government from the disaster that has confronted us. From adding 4 trillion in additiona debt that is bankrupting our nation, to the messes we have created globally, to failure to prepare for Bird Flu or even support the bills to protect AMericans to Katrina, and on and on.
I believe that if 69% of the Republicans like things as is, including IRAQ, the Independents will vote with Dems and change the politics of this nation. We cannot change that crazed base, or the 30% that loves Bush. But it is clear that they are the 69% Republicans. WE CAN VOTE THEM OUT.
Good luck to us all!
I say we have to fire the team and their cheerleaders, the entire Republican congress, or be prepared to suffer ourselves and undermine peace in the middle east.
Posted by WakeUpAmerica on March 17, 2006 at 10:28 PM
okay, fire the congress...
suffer ourselves? undermine the PEACE in the middle east?
okay, i'm not drunk enough to understand this.
but, hey, love the sweeping generalities with no links...have a wonderful evening.
and maybe the press and all of Dean's "people" will read this stuff and the world's problems will be solve. thank you
Lest I be accused of picking too much on my own party, I need to put my last post into perspective, because Viet Nam is not our enemy, nor was North Korea, really, at least until Bush lumped them into the "Axis of Evil." Our enemies of today are primarily of Republican making. Iran's elected Prime Minister was overthrown in a 1953 coup that included the CIA, partially at the request of Rockefeller. Is it any wonder they turned against us when they overthrew our Shah? Do terrorists come from democratic countries? Or from countries where we stick our unwelcome nose?
Then the traitors who capitalized on the revolution by making deals behind the back of the president (Carter) to hold off on the hostage release until January 1981 capitalized on it some more by selling arms to both sides in the Iran-Iraq war and sending the money to Nicaraguan traitors and crack smugglers.
Runsfeld can be seen shaking the hand of Saddam Hussein, who was a good guy until GHWB double-crossed him, at which time he immediately became a bad guy. Any wonder he wanted to take out a contract on Bush?
The Taliban were also good guys when they were fighting the Soviets and abusing the rights of the Afghans. We even invited them to the treasonous School of the Americas. It wasn't until after 9/11 that Bush paid any attention to the fact that the Taliban weren't "very nice" and used them as a diversion of our attention away from the fact that OBL was still on the loose, right along with the "good bin Ladens" he freed a few days after his poll-boosting publicity stunt.
I've left out quite a few other atrocities, like Pinochet, but I'm sure you get the picture. It's thanks to Republicans that a lot of people hate America.
Oh yeah, one more thing--is it any wonder Russia went from an oppressive, criminal perversion of a socialist state to an oppressive, criminal perversion of a capitalist state? Look at the timeline and see who set the example for them!
60srad
You bring up interesting points. Thanks for the input.
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 17, 2006 at 10:14 PM
You are way too angry. Let's talk about what we agree on and what we have the abiltiy to change and where we can make the change. Attacking me gets you or me nowhere.
It is quite funny that DEAN came out afterwards, and he conveniently missed this opportunity too??? Hmmmm... If Mehlman can stomp for DUMBYA, then DEAN should stomp for change as well, shouldn't he?
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 17, 2006 at 09:56 PM
Say bud, I don't know what you're trying to do, but PamB already told you Dean "doesn't run the Party" he only runs the DNC. HE DOES "stomp for change", but like he said on CBS a couple of weekends ago when that bitch Elizabeth Brumiller tried to get him to badmouth Hillary Clinton, "I'm not going to get into that with you, as head of the DNC I can't take sides."
And he can't. You keep talking like you think he runs the whole Democrayic Party. He doesn't.
Posted by Domingo on March 17, 2006 at 11:54 PM
Rock on Domingo! Rock On!
> You bring up interesting points. Thanks for the input.
You're welcome. It feels like I'm "preaching to the choir," though, because the general feel I get of this blog is that it's mostly to the left of the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party"!
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Warentless searches?
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17810
I have had a few pints of Guinness (happy Paddy day) so please forgive me but ya know boys and girls if a person or a party could magically grow b*lls (we all can strap on b*lls if we want), life would be easy because life is ruled by b*lls, rubber b*lls, silicone b*lls, leather b*lls, plastic b*lls, somebody's b*lls etc., etc., etc. ........ I am so tired of seeing blog entries about the Dems growing b*lls! We need to ge out there and make the change happen! Discussions here can make the change only if we carry these discussions beyond this blog!.
'The Times They Are A_Changin'
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'. Bob Dylan
Song: The Times They Are A-Changin'
posted by diana on March 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin
Posted by diana on March 18, 2006 at 12:28 AM
And he doesn't think he was the poet of importance to my generation!
Should Congress authorize drilling in a small area of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge? VOTE!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7065544
What if there was a rider attached to the bill requiring that if drilling takes place mpg requirements would be brought up to the goals and standard of the Clinton era and that companies wishing to invest in drilling would be required to invest equal amounts of $$'s towards alternative energy sources?
I'm new here, but leaving all the infighting aside, has anyone else read the latest Baghdad Burning?
Disturbing, to say the least. And to all the right wing naysayers, if you were in her place you would be soiling your pants.
Posted by Hank on March 18, 2006 at 12:48 AM
What if there was a rider attached to the bill requiring that if drilling takes place mpg requirements would be brought up to the goals and standard of the Clinton era and that companies wishing to invest in drilling would be required to invest equal amounts of $$'s towards alternative energy sources?
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What about the area that is destroyed by the drilling? Shouldn't we be talking about alternative energy BEFORE we drill and destroy habitat?
poet of importance to my generation!
Posted by lavndrblue on March 18, 2006 at 12:36 AM great poet.I'm lookin for a video or download of that song. Remember "Never trust anyone over 30."
Remember when 30 sounded old? Here's another great poet and a great song that rings a little too true today..http://www.brownielocks.com/eveofdestruction.html
Who has seen Hillary's website?
It's awesome with the "need a flag" section. She is such a patriot. This need hug/flag campaign goes along really well with her attempt to ban "flag burning".
It's as if she's become a damn troll, ruining the Democratic Party.
If she can't stand up for a ban on "cross burning" in the frontyard of a minority's home, or in the town square (Cinncinatti, circa modern times), or push for ANIT-hate crime legislation, then she needs to drop her flag burning legislation.
I hate pandering politicians.
Posted by diana on March 18, 2006 at 12:59 AM
Not to be trite, but please pass the bong........LOL ;)
And now we are WAY over 30, at least I am. I always believed we stood for something and changed this country. I guess we must change this country again!! I don't know of a video but have it on my iPod. ;)
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 01:04 AM
I used to think that Hillary could be the first woman President. I do NOT believe that anymore. She is not what this country needs.
http://clinton.senate.gov/services/flags/
I am pleased to be able to offer New York State residents the service of having a United States flag flown over the United States Capitol Building. Flags can be flown any day of the year for special occasions - such as birthdays or anniversaries.
Posted by lavndrblue on March 18, 2006 at 12:55 AM
I have given money to the Sierra Club and World Wildlife Federation too and I do understand the environmental impact of drilling. One just has to look at exxon valdez or more recently the leak in the oil pipeline this week. So, I am aware of the potential disaster that can happen. Having said that, lets say oil prices sky rocket to 5-8 dollars a gallon. What then? Either way both drilling and finding an alternative would not deliver any kind of effective relief any time soon. I am all for biodiesal, ethanol (like Brazil), or any other form of alternative energy. But I am also for energy independence. That is why I am posing the question is there any room for compromise on this issue? Let me rephrase, is their room for limited oil drilling in Alaska in return for private companies to invest equal amounts of $$'s to alternative energy sources? Over the decade the two party’s have dug in so well that effective policy seems to be something in the past. I say that this is going to be inevitable at the current rate of oil consumption not just in the US, but globally as well.
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 01:14 AM
I am so proud for you coolman!!! But just don't set it on fire!
What happened to the G*d D*mn Constitution?
Eve of Destruction
Written by P.F. Sloan Performed by Barry McGuire 1964 '
The eastern world, it is explodin’.
Violence flarin’, bombs explodin’
You’re old enough to kill, but not for drinkin’
You don’t believe in God, but what’s that bible you’re totin’
And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin’
But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.
Don’t you understand what I’m tryin’ to say
Can’t you feel the fears I’m feelin’ today?
If the button is pushed, there’s no runnin’ away
There’ll be no one to save, with the world in a grave
Take a look around you boy
It’s bound to scare you boy
And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.
Yeah, my blood’s so mad feels like coagulatin’
I’m sitting here just contemplatin’
You can’t twist the truth, it knows no regulation.
Handful of senators don’t pass legislation
And marches alone can’t bring communication
When human respect is disintegratin’
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin’
And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.
Think of all the hate there is in Red China
Then take a look around what happened with Katrina
You may leave here for 4 days in space
But when you return, it’s the same old place
The poundin’ of the drum, the pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don’t leave a trace
Hate your next-door neighbor, but don’t forget to say prayers
And… tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don’t believe
We’re on the eve
Of destruction
Mm, no no, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.
Click on 'the Lonely Professor' to see my blogs with concern to GWB, OBL and Iraq (the 'War on Terrorism').
After Bush, Inc. tried to sell the country down the drain with his port deal with Dubai...should there be any doubt to anyone what his real 'colors' are?
Click on 'the Lonely Professor' to see my blogs with concern to GWB, OBL and Iraq (the 'War on Terrorism'). (re-post since my first post doesn't work)
After Bush, Inc. tried to sell the country down the drain with his port deal with Dubai...should there be any doubt to anyone what his real 'colors' are?
Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE on March 18, 2006 at 12:53 AM
The recent offensive is looking more like political maneuvering to boost W's sagging approval ratings. He is just begun a new PR campaign to justify his mistake. The man is seriously misusing our men/women in uniform.
> This need hug/flag campaign goes along really well with her attempt
> to ban "flag burning".
I guess she was too dense to notice that GHWB's crusade along those lines seemed to be a way to divert attention away from his own lack of patriotism (to put it mildly).
Lavndblue,
She explicitly stated she (Hillary) said she did not want to amend the constitution, but she want to get the work out, make a federal law, stating that it is illegal to burn the flag.
I can't think of any message that can be paired with burning the flag that will threaten our country. Or, should I say that when the flag is burned and the country feels threatened, then we will probably be at a very weak moment in our history.
I am much more bothered by the sight of 2,300 soldiers wrapped in flags.
Any catch the press conference over this today? Rummy was with an army general and was asked if there was any proof of this by a reporter. To which the general was quoted as saying, "No".
//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4783688.stm
Iran forces 'infiltrating Iraq'
Iranian revolutionary forces have been infiltrating Iraq, US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said.
Posted by Hank on March 18, 2006 at 01:19 AM
" But I am also for energy independence"
I pay no electric bill do you? I am totally solar and do very well. That being said, not all States have the same amount of days of sun. But anything that we do to supplement is helpful. Using solar can cut down on your energy bill by at least 25% no matter where you live in this country. So you do the math....why drill in Alaska?
Not to be trite, but please pass the bong........LOL ;)
And now we are WAY over 30, at least I am. I always believed we stood for something and changed this country. I guess we must change this country again!! I don't know of a video but have it on my iPod. ;)
Posted by lavndrblue on March 18, 2006 at 01:09 AM LOL Things are so much worse now only most people don't realize it.Oh I took the liberty of changing a few of the words to eve of destruction.Heres another great song and a video about the Viet Nam war. http://education.apple.com/education/ilife/project_template.php?project_id=91&subject_id=1Hmm..I never thought we'd let them do it again...
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 01:31 AM
I am much more bothered by the sight of 2,300 soldiers wrapped in flags.
Wow, I must have misunderstood. Sorry coolman. My interpretation was way off base.......
Hank,
Why is it that we always say "I don't have to have oil, alternative forms of energy are fine with me. But, can we go and ruin the wildlife refuge, and consume the remainder of our natural resources?"
Since we are leaving our children's children at least 9 trillion in Republican debt, maybe we should leave them a nest egg of oil?
Petroleums best application is probably in synthetic materials, not cheap energy as is currently its primary use.
We need to start working on the alternatives.
Evenin'...uh...mornin'. Had a great time tonight listening to Irish folk songs down at the local hangout;)
Hank, the Iran link doesn't work. The whole thing with iran scares the ____ out of me. We don't have the manpower to invade, but we have plenty of WMD and I don't put anything past the warmongers. After all they probably have evidence that nuclear fallout after a nuclear war is just a myth.
I'm with you lavender...solar panels on every roof in the country. plug-in electric hybrid cars that run off of the energy from the solar panels. it IS the solution.
Forgive the typing...enjoyed the celebrating a wee bit:))
Hmm...And make use of the 7 billion dollars worth of royalties. http://www.exisle.net/mb/lofiversion/index.php/t36342.html
If we manage to take our country back can we sue alll of the traitors and confiscate their illegal billions and fix everything?
Posted by diana on March 18, 2006 at 01:38 AM
OMG........we let them do it again, and on our watch!!!!!!
I know most of us will say no to drilling in Alaska. But, if we ever run into a situation where the US gets in a gas crisis situation like in the 70's you will see drilling in Alaska. To make sure that the impact would be minimal would it not make sense to attach conditions on it? Or is there no compromising on this position?
By the way I do think it is commendable that you are off the grid. But you do know that you are in the progressive minority. And bluerall, of course their primary motive is money. I am just asking a question to see where we all stand. Nothing more nothing less.
Posted by xdebx on March 18, 2006 at 01:48 AM
Wind power is also a solution. There are areas where several households together could use a wind turbine to supplement their electricity. Kind of like a shared well.
Posted by xdebx on March 18, 2006 at 01:53 AM
Which brings up another question I have been asking. How many of here actually think that our party will have the balls to conduct hearings/investigations on all the corruptiion from secret meetings with energy companies to lies about Iraq to the reclassification of documents in the national archives to wiretaps to GITMO?...man I could just go on and on. I just pray that when we do get the majority in congress we will investigate and have hearings. Heads need to roll.
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supporters like you, last night's Senate vote was extremely close: 51 to 49. In
fact, your efforts helped sway several Republicans to vote with nearly all the
Democrats against this Arctic drilling budget.
The Senate will have to cast at least two more votes on the budget bill this
year if they hope to open the Arctic Refuge to drilling. So it is absolutely
critical that you keep the pressure on them, no matter how they voted last
night.
Hank,
If you haven't noticed, our War in Iraq is going great and we should get all the oil we've been promised by Bush. Just kiding!
There is no doubt that oil politics are getting very tricky these days, i.e. with Venezuala threatening to go out of its way to open more distant, less profitable markets, to avoid selling us their gas for a premium price.
If we get pinched, as you are speculating, then I agree we will likely drill in Alaska. However, to go ahead and start drilling is really dumb. It is like saying Hussein might make WMDs, so let's go ahead and invade Iraq and remove the WMDs. Let's not preempt reality.
Posted by Hank on March 18, 2006 at 01:54 AM
Why can't you change to be part of the progressive minority? Why can't many in this country change to be in the progressive minority? Then we would be in the progressive MAJORITY. The problem truly lies in the cost of using alternative/renewable energy. Our government doesn't want to reward those of us that conserve, it is all about the OIL. It is all about profits. How can you tax the sun? How can you tax the wind. There is a one time tax on the equipment to garner the energy, but no more for the poor gov....
Posted by xdebx on March 18, 2006 at 01:48 AM
I hope this link works. Its just an artcle about the press conference this morning. Oh, and Happy (post) St Patricks day. Its still St Patty's day here in the NW. For another hour.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4783688.stm
Good night my love good night, I'll see you in my dreams"....
Thanks for the exchange, I always learn.
Thanks Hank. Rummy is stirring the pot for a lead up to going after Iran.
This is why:
The Proposed Iranian Oil Bourse
Oh God the thought that Iran is trying to antagonize the US military, which is occupying Iran's neighbor, Iran's Shiite breathren.
Is Iran the country that caused that oil shortage in the 70's?
Might we conclude that they still hate us? Should we have expected them to change their opinions after we invaded Iraq?
Next BBC will report that Syria and the US are fighting on the Syrian border (old news), or Suadi Arabia is holding more fundraisers for Al Queda.
Our depth of trouble in the middle east is abysmal.
Aren't there many Iranian based groups that hold seats in the Iraqi parliment?
Sweet "dems going to win before pugs destroy the world" dreams lavender.
A quick question. I heard that off the coast of Florida is a oil field that promises to be as large as the fields in Alaska. Jeb wont allow drilling there. My question is, if we need to have this oil, why isnt there a push to open up florida's water?
lavndrblue, your comment that you cant tax the sun is correct but I think more importantly, you cant sell the sun. Its not the govt (directly) holding back the push for alternative fuels. OK thats wrong with this administration, but they are doing it in coorporation with the corporations that run the industry and getting big kickbacks I'm sure.
Ross Perot said (and I'm paraphrasing) that in order to get rich you need to find something with recurring revenues. Solar Panels have no recurring revenue, they dont even wear out or at least that is what i think.
Posted by lavndrblue on March 18, 2006 at 02:06 AM
I could not agree with you more. But if we do get in a pinch, is it not rational to attach pro energy alternative riders to a bill that would allow drilling in Alaska? For better or for worse this is how policy gets made. One of the reason why we have sooooooooo many private interest in various policies is that lobbyists do attach their special interest bills. Just look at all the pork attached to the budget bill. I think in the long run (i do mean 30 50 100 yrs from now) we have to fight them with what we have. If there is a quicker solution I would like to see it. Again, I do hope that it never comes to spoiling AK.
FL won't allow drilling within so many miles from its shores (~ 50mls). However, west of FL one can see the rigs from the shoreline.
Florida has decided that they don't want to ruin their tourist cash cow, the beach, with sites of oil rigs and potential oil spills. I don't blame them.
Hurrican.
Posted by lavndrblue on March 18, 2006 at 02:06 AM
The problem truly lies in the cost of using alternative/renewable energy. Our government doesn't want to reward those of us that conserve
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To make my earlier statement clear (hopefully), I don't mean the cost of using alternative/renewable energy in the long run is high. It is the initial cost (it ain't cheap). But the return on investment is high for the individual not the government. The government doesn't give incentives nor does it want to, to move to alternative energy sources. It truly is about the oil and being able to make people pay for the ongoing dependence on oil.
OK, I had 1 too many guinness...going to sleep now.
Hank,
Do you own a bicycle? Do you ride it often, as an alternative to driving?
I do.
hit tha nail on the head Tex. Solar panels feeding the grip and plug-in hybrid cars mean that we're not buying fuel from big oil.
Fla. residents won't allow oil derricks in site of the beach, the continental shelf is a few miles off shore so the derricks would have to be before the shelf. Any Fla. beach front property is more than a million per lot and goes up and up depending on the location...that oil is staying put.
Posted by TexasLane on March 18, 2006 at 02:19 AM
Ok, I can't let go. TexasLane, my wording was incorrect. Sell not tax but then again if you find a way to sell then you can find a way to tax what you sell......
Oh, geez................................... :}
What happened to the G*d D*mn Constitution?
Posted by lavndrblue on March 18, 2006 at 01:20 AM
It pretty much was declared obsolete when the Supreme Court found a right to buggery within the Constitution.
Lavndrblue,
It seems like I should be the one explaining. I wasnt trying to correct so much as I was trying to suggest that its corporations that are running this country. Badly put I guess.
And as long as I'm explaining let me say that I dont want oil rigs off of coast of Florida. I just think that framing it as Alaska is the only way to save us is bullsh!t.
One more thing, did any of you see the 60 minutes report on converting coal into diesel? It sounded very interesting to me, clean, abundant, tested but for some reason no one is doing it.
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 02:17 AM
No there is not. For starters Iraqi's and Iranians are two different groups of people. Iraqi's are more Arab based ethnic group and Iranians are Persians. Linguistically and culturally they are very different. On top of that they fought a wickid 8 yr war in the 80's in which the US stood by and aided Sadaam. Iranians believe it or not are far more western then we give them credit for.
Iran is a country of lost opportunity for not just the US, but Europe also. The country has a rather large under 30 population and was ripe for reform in the late 90's and early 2000's. The majority of Iranians were for reform, but got apathetic because the minority fundamentalist govt kept blocking reforms. Eventually, the reformists just boycotted the last election and they ended up with the current asshole as pres. But because we were still miffed at them from the 70's hostage situation we never did normalize diplomatic relations with them and never offered support to the reformists. I believe Clinton tried once, but was met with a wrathful congress telling him not to go there in the late 90's. But make no mistake, they (reformists) are still nationalists and will defend their land to the death if we invade. Logistically the terrain is much more diverse in Iran and the peoples resolve will much stronger than what we are experiencing in Iraq.
God, I hope our half wit pres does not invade them. That would just be well...Wrong!
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 02:28 AM
I do and I walk to work during the summer.
Hi Sally,
Now that the Republicans have a sense of being in control of the courts, we will get to watch them exercise their "Judicial Activism". Just another example of Republican hypocrisy.
another example,
"US can't be the World's Police." 5 yrs later, Republicans are ready to Police the world, with half the staff.
Hi Sally. been trying to figure you out. Know what I think...I'm guessing you have "little man" syndrome. Short, fat, bald...can't find anyone that will give you any loving so you blog in order to release your frustration. Being a real life bully would get you beat up. you could only beat your wife a certain number of times before she left...so where does that leave you? Here, where you're not remotely liked, in the middle of the night. Really sad you know. We could pitch in and get you a blow up doll;)
Actually Sally is a log cabin pug who suffers from imense self esteem issues. Just ask him.
Hank,
Glad to hear you take practical measures to reduce fuel consumption. That's cool.
Now, you are wrong about the religious breakdown of Iran, in a big way. I said "Iran's Shiite brethren". Here is what a little Googling did:
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_shiite.html
Iran 61,000,000 93%
Oman 948,750 75
Bahrain 400,000 65
Azerbaijan 4,700,000 61
Iraq 11,000,000 55
Of course Iraq and Iran fought a terrible war, killing millions on each side. This was a war led by a dictator, of the minority Sunni religion. Hence, Sunni Iraqi leader fighting a 93% Shiite Iran.
Actually Sally is a log cabin pug who suffers from imense self esteem issues. Just ask him.
Posted by Hank on March 18, 2006 at 02:48 AM
Hank,
I have to disagree with you again. Sally is a turd!
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 02:44 AM
Well Foolman, do actually think that Thomas Jefferson et al when framing the Constitution, actually intended to include a right to buttf**king?
Sally,
Did the "Judicial Activism" bit bother you?
You really are an idiot. I would guess that T Jefferson and Adams and... didn't think that one's sexual practices were a constitutional matter.
It is the republican "gay curious" that are wanting to amend the constituion for every little bigotted aim they have, such as banning Gay Marriage.
Our country is whimpy when it can't tolerate the nature of others or the freedom of speech.
The same people who complain about the price of gasoline oppose drilling anywhere. We ought to be drilling everywhere oil may exist including and especially a desolate region of Alaska.
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Sal...How are you going to legislate sex?
We can't even keep you from getting bohners while being a nasty little troll.
I'm take it I guessed correctly on my last post. You win the blow up doll...address please.
You asked: Aren't there many Iranian based groups that hold seats in the Iraqi parliment?
Yes Coolman, what they have in common is the Shiite faith of Islam. That does not mean that they are Iranian based. They (Iraqi Shiites) are not Persians by any mean and do not necessarily translate to being in cahoots with Iran. They are still two different ethnic groups with two seperate languages. Just google CIA World Fact Book and look at the two countries profile.
Jefferson and Adams didn't think to protect sexual perversions because they were unmentionable at the time and certainly didn't rise to the level of Constitutional protection. To think that they were concerned about such perverts is absurd.
"gay curious"? there is nothing to be curious about, we know exactly what they do, buttf**king, c**ksucking, gerbils et al and it is disgusting and deadly.
The concept of "gay marriage" is absurd because the traditional definition of marriage is between a man and a woman not a pretend man and a pretend woman. And the marriage cannot be consumated because buggery doesn't count and is illegal most places the Supreme Court not withstanding.
Sally,
I would like to consolidate your issues.
You appear to be full of hot air, but it might be gas or possibly hot oil? I am not an MD or geolgist.
So, why don't you make a date with Rick Santorum and let him do some exploratory drilliin in your arse.
Posted by Hank on March 18, 2006 at 03:13 AM
Why do I think about what all the time?
Too bad religious pervs like yourself always focus on the sin of lust and never greed or gluttony or the rest of the seven sins for that matter.
I don't believe for a minute that the government of Iran is involved in supplying Iraq. That's not to say that there isn't anyone in Iran who would find a way to get some supplies into Iraq.
It isn't going to take much for the neo-cons to make a case for going after Iran if that is their intention. Did you guys look at the Iranian Oil Bourse posted above?
Problem is that we don't have the manpower to invade. The alternative is scary.
"gay curious"? there is nothing to be curious about, we know exactly what they do, buttf**king, c**ksucking, gerbils et al and it is disgusting and deadly.
So you say, but you just seem to know sooo much.
Hank,
Google Dawa Party and see what comes up. You need to do lots of reading.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/06F49283-A346-432D-97D0-B0952E556275.htm
"Reading from a statement, Ibrahim said Saddam's government had a right to respond after the Iraqi leader came under attack "from a group supported by Iran at a time when Iraq was at war with Iran," a reference to the Tehran-backed Shia al-Dawa Party that carried out the shooting."
Sorry...it's ALL scary, the alternative is the most scary because WE have enough WMD to destroy the planet and it's the only planet we have;)
Posted by Hank on March 18, 2006 at 03:18 AM
Once, when I was about 17, a queer we ran into in a park invited me and my buddy to his house (presumably for some faggoty delites) we went with him knowing what he was up to then we slugged him, tied him to the radiator took his beer, whiskey and money and TV and left laughing and taunting him.
I assume he got loose by now since that was 40 years ago.
xdebx,
I bet Iran is doing as much to spite us as the Syrians, Sauds, Jordanians, etc...
If Bush people want to kill or attack every country that hates this Bush administration, then they should probably get out the nukes. Watch out Northeasterners.
I don't think the US should go around seeing who they should fight. That approach will lead to more senseless death.
Bush has always wanted to go into Iran. It's his misunderestimation reading of Christianity that drives his idiocy.
Sally,
Give slick Rick a call.
You have issues bro.
Sally the redneck bigot.
Sally,
Are the "*" bracketing your name pigtails or dimples?
If Bush people want to kill or attack every country that hates this Bush administration
The only people on earth that agree with this administration are the ditto head US pugs brainwashed by our corporate bought and paid for media.
Enjoyed it...off to bed...
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at a time when Iraq was at war with Iran
Coolman - That is a court transcript from a man pleading for his life from being accused of crimes against humanity along with Sadaam.
Look, they are not Iranian based. They have a common religious affiliation. If there were proof that was the case this administration would be all over it like flies on a pile of turd.
Damn, you were right xdebx, Sally is a lonely man in a cabin.
His last story about beating up a gay, I bet it was him. but instead of getting beat up the boys turned him in as a pedophile(sp?) and he went to prison where he met his true love. Now that he's paroled (its been 40 years you know) he just cant get "Buster" out of his mind. He did go to the special church counciling to get "fixed" but what the dont know about sally is that it only works with large amounts of booze. and HE/SHE/IT is a mean drunk.
Hank,
I asked you to Gogle Dawa! Here you go.
Jaafari is Shiite, and leader of the Dawa party and Prime Minister of Iraq.
Dawa - Iran Based
Jaafari- Iraqi Priminister and Dawa
Your understanding of how screwed Iraq is and how stupid our leaders are is limited.
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JAAFARI DEFIANT
Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, whose nomination by fellow Shi'ites to a second term is blocking any agreement with Kurds, Sunnis and secular leaders, insisted he had the right as the elected choice of the biggest group to hang on to his job.
"I did not get here as part of a deal so I cannot be pushed aside as part of a deal," Jaafari told Reuters. He earlier told a news conference: "If my people ask me to step aside I will."
Opposition to Jaafari from rivals within the Alliance could yet sink him, politicians in other blocs believe. Jaafari won an internal ballot by a single vote last month. Critics blame him for failures in security and the economy over the past year.
"The problem is the Alliance is divided," a senior official in the Alliance said. "This has weakened the Alliance position."
A senior source in one of the other blocs said: "We will never give up on getting rid of Jaafari. They cannot convince us to accept someone that they themselves are not convinced about."
Rida Jawad al-Takki, an official of SCIRI, the main Alliance rival to Jaafari's Dawa party, said: "There will be urgent and important steps taken to solve this in the next two days."
He told Reuters an "important announcement" was likely.
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-03-16T121321Z_01_L16759169_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ.xml
Posted by TexasLane on March 18, 2006 at 03:40 AM
Your story is extremely incoherent and I couldn't decipher it. But we did have a great party with that old fairies booze and money ($85.00 I think). We had girls at our party though.
Bush is now negotiating with his own Axis of Evil.
What a fool to declare IRan Evil and then turn Iraq over to Iran.
Sally,
Were you one of the sadists in Pulp Fiction? Did you tie the guy to aa barrel or radiator?
Bush will get his act together soon. Currently, and for the past year he has been trying to govern on his own. He has been ignoring the direction of the group that selected him and put him into office.
My uncle was one a group of Southern California businessmen who put Reagan into office and told him what to do - Reagan followed direction though.
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 03:55 AM
A radiator, I already said that.
Bush called Iran part of the Axis of Evil 5 yrs ago and he turned Iraq over to Iran, well 3 yrs ago as of tomorrow. So, I wouldn't say Bush has been an idiot for just the last year.
Iraq has not been turned over to Iran. The inhabitants of Eastern Iraq happen to be the same religion as Iran is. The Iraqi citizenry is no more gonna turn their sovereignity over to Iran than the Catholics of Eastern New Mexico would turn their state over to The Catholics of Western Texas.
The Prime Minister of Iraq is also head of the Iran based Dawa Party.
Does it seem likely that Muslims in Iraq are willing to be occupied by a christian military? Your nuanced Texas and New Mexico Catholic bit is funny in light of what we have been discussing. Oh well, you probably heard the analgy on Fox.
When PamB dies of old age soon, I will be like number 3 on the list of posters who have been posting here the longest.
Time for night night now though.
bye bye
I make up my own analogies.
They don't want to be occupied by anyone as we do not wish to occupy. And Eastern Iraq does not have the level of occupation that the Suni areas have because the Sunis are the trouble makers along with Al Qaeda and the Bathist dead enders.
Is the Iraqi Prime minister head of the Dawa Party, which originates from where?
Is the Iraqi Prime minister head of the Dawa Party, which originates from where?
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 04:21 AM
The Governor of Massachusetts is from Michigan, The Governor of California is from Austria, The Governor of Florida is from Texas, the Governor of Michigan is from Canada, a Senator from NY is from Arkansas, A senator from West Virginia is from NY etc.. And so, what is your point.
I am off to bed now.
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Sorry Sally,
Is Michigan on Massachusett's list of "axis of evil", and so on?
Our president is negotiating with a nation he called part of the axis of evil. What a leader.
coolman, our president is at a point in his brilliant career where he will be negotiating with the ghost of christmas future.
didn't sally promise us that bush's approval ratings would be in the 60's by now. i think dear old sal ( he's a good old worker and a good ol pal ) made this promise three or four months ago. i was so counting on his laser like mensa brain for accuracy...tsk, tsk.
spitzer smacks bush silly. eliot for president in 08.
Judges Overturn Bush Bid to Ease Pollution Rules
By MICHAEL JANOFSKY
Published: March 18, 2006
WASHINGTON, March 17 — A federal appeals court on Friday overturned a clean-air regulation issued by the Bush administration that would have let many power plants, refineries and factories avoid installing costly new pollution controls to help offset any increased emissions caused by repairs and replacements of equipment.
Ruling in favor of a coalition of states and environmental advocacy groups, the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said the "plain language" of the law required a stricter approach. The court has primary jurisdiction in challenges to federal regulations...
..."This is an enormous victory over the concerted efforts by the Bush administration to dismantle the Clean Air Act," Eliot Spitzer, the New York attorney general, whose office led the opposition from the states, said in an interview.
Mr. Spitzer, who is running for governor, said the ruling "shows that the administration's effort to misinterpret and undermine the statute is illegal."...
spitzer, he ain't no shitzer
Bush will get his act together soon. Currently, and for the past year he has been trying to govern on his own. He has been ignoring the direction of the group that selected him and put him into office.
Posted by *Sally* on March 18, 2006 at 03:59 AM
Getting his act together? This is for real! People are dying over a senseless war. Our economy is at the bottom. The education system needs repaired. Social concerns for the well being of our citizens are no longer an issue. I think 5 years of his governing is enough time for the American people to realize we're going to hell in a hand basket. G-d save them if they don't.
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We have got to win back the house & senate. This one party rule is killing the nation.
I see there is still a lot of positive talk about Feingold. I hope when it's time for the presidential caucuses, you all submit your declaration of intent to be a delegate for Feingold in your congressional districts. And garner the support needed to be elected by your fellow voters. Work it, work it.
Maybe the DNC will provide instructions to us on how to become a delegate. (I think maybe Dors, Eli & myself have been one before in our own states. I'm sure there were others.)
One more, then I'm gonzo for the morning. I still have over 100 invites to address for a fundraiser I'm hosting for Z this Wed. here in my county (already sent 100 out) as well as phone calls for connections and meetings. Then maybe I can get to my house cleaning! (and that pile of dirt still needs spread too)
I'm still HAVA more fun, all the time!
Many states struggling with election changes
Despite a federal mandate to upgrade state election systems, voters in New York will use the same antiquated lever machines they have used for decades. And election officials will rely on a statewide voter registration list that may not be up to date.
Good morning DNC bloggers (except gregg). LTNS :)
I've been ill these last few months, in and out of the hospital. (Better now). I wanted to let you know for those who might be interested, my son was one of the soldiers called into the battle at Samarra. He is doing fine, and things seem to be going well there, he tells me. He says he is stronger and better than ever. We are able to communicate by email almost every day which helps a lot. He is scheduled for a two week leave next month, so I am beside myself with joy. God is good.
Have a wonderful day! - Joan
{{{{JOAN}}}} What a joy to see you post again! We have been very worried about you and your son so thank you for coming in and letting us know that you are doing better and that Marc is well.
Sweet lady you have been very missed!
Morning all, this article may be of interest to those who live in the States they reference.
'Daily Voting News' For March 17, 2006
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_jgideon_060317__daily_voting_news__.htm
Iraq War: Three years later
The end of the third year of war in Iraq coincides with the quadrennial release of the Bush administration's National Security Strategy report. It seems they haven't learned a damn thing.
{{{Joanie}}}
sorry to hear you have been ill. Glad you are on the mend. gregg has been despondent, needs you to get back to picking him up for Services on Sunday morning!
stay well, my friend,
A poll taken March 15, 2006 by American Research Group found that among all adults, 46% favor Senator Russ Feingold's (D-WI) plan to censure President George W. Bush, while just 44% are opposed. Approval of the plan grows slightly when the sample is narrowed to voters, up to 48% in favor of the Senate censuring the sitting president.
Even more shocking is that just 57% of Republicans are opposed to the move, with 14% still undecided and 29% actually in favor. Fully 70% of Democrats want to see Bush censured
Good morning, all.
Joan it is so good to hear from you. I hope you are feeling better. Get your strength back soon.
Looks like your son is well occupied tending the Iraqis as they prepare to take over (please let that be soon). Hope he stays clear of the real fighting between the rival factions.
This is what Time is saying about the latest Bush PR stunt:
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower since the start of the war. ("Air Assault" is a military term that refers specifically to transporting troops into an area.) In fact, there were no airstrikes and no leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What’s more, there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance, said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
I know this is of little comfort to you, but know that we are all praying for your son and everyone's else's son and daughter over there.
Tell your congress people to get the hell off the fence and quit hiding from Feingold!!!!!
"And people don't just support impeachment. They're passionate about it. Bush is the least liked president on record, excepting only Nixon, and Bush is on track to break Nixon's record this spring. Nothing will energize people to vote against Republicans like talk of impeaching Bush and Cheney. Few other issues can provide the dramatic motivation to turn out voters in an off-year election.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_sw_060317_republicans_for_impe.htm
This article is for guys like Tha-rule and others who do nothing but BITCH!
"We can only win if we put aside our angry rhetoric
Article after article containing only negatives, however accurate and truthful they may be, and many of them are quite such, leaves folks despairing and
given over to hopelessness. We need folks willing to act, to effect change,whether that be working to save the Democratic party if that is your bent, or working to help create a third party, or just writing letters to your elected officials, whatever as long as we are motivated to do something.
I have long noted that angry people seldom make progress without channeling that emotion into useful effort. Anger destroys, ultimately.
We do not endlessly rant at the horrific (sorry) leadership of the Democratic party that has left us alone in our struggle we continually suggest change and differing strategies to them and work, perhaps, to found a new and better political party. We write , we email, we march, we work and we work and we smile and we remain positive above all. We cannot convince people by depressing them, ultimately we must energise them through a shared vision of a better tomorrow
It is not through anger that we will triumph,it is not rage that will see us through it is enthusiasm and energy, it is a positive vision of a better nation and a peaceful planet that will make our work both easier and inevitable. This , I believe wholeheartedly, is the way to re-engage our uncaring electorate and to end the dictatorship in our political parties that fails to do right. Angry people seldom work together long, we must do this, a world is counting on us.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rick_dub_060317_putting_anger_aside.htm
For a group of Republicans who want to be re-elected in the fall, this sure doesn't look like they are all that concerned about terris:
Moments ago, the House of Representatives narrowly defeated an amendment proposed by Rep. Martin Sabo (D-MN) that would have provided $1.25 billion in desperately needed funding for port security and disaster preparedness. The Sabo amendment included:
– $300 million to enable U.S. customs agents to inspect high-risk containers at all 140 overseas ports that ship directly to the United States. Current funding only allows U.S. customs agents to operate at 43 of these ports.
– $400 million to place radiation monitors at all U.S. ports of entry. Currently, less than half of U.S. ports have radiation monitors.
– $300 million to provide backup emergency communications equipment for the Gulf Coast.
Meanwhile, the Bush budget – which most of the members who voted against this bill will likely support – contains an increase of $1.7 billion for missile defense, a program that doesn’t even work.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/16/port-security-funding/
Perhaps they are thinking about their retirement years and are just giving up on the White House ever facing any real problems in this country?
But we supposedly don't have an agenda? We have plenty of practical ideas that they have been ignoring for 12 years now....and deliberately burrying from view from the American people with the help of the corporate-owned MSM.
Funny. my kid is there right now and it sure doesn't feel like a 'photo op' to me. Or him.
I think it's best for my mental health if I stay 'on break' for now. It was very nice seeing you guys again. Say hi to everyone (except gregg) for me. :)
Love ya's.
good morning {{{Democrats}}}
Joan, it's wonderful to see you after such a long time. Glad to see that Marc is fine and you are communicating. Yippie-eye-oh-ki-ay that you'll be getting together soon!
i have missed your sense of humor.
I really like those moving billboard trucks for message delivery. I was driving behind one yesterday that had moveable panels that changed the graphics and words every few minutes so you could deliver more than one ad. Talk about getting attention when you are stuck at a stop light.
We need to think about getting our message out among the people other ways than in the press. Now that folks are more open to our message, bumper-sticker type reminders would reinforce their concern and offer us an economical way to present our agenda.
Let's take those five DNC agenda goals and circulate them literaly in the traffic patterns we all have to navigate everyday. It would help if the DNC could get a storefront open on the internet where we could start buying T-shirts, pins, and bumper stickers now....not wait till fall.
Just a thought. later.
Looking forward to taking back congress in November!
In the meantime, the indictments of corrupt republicans will start hitting the headlines... be on the look out for a republican party in shambles.
50 state strategy. Democracy Bonds. Mobile billboards. Staying on message on every news show on every channel: THANK YOU HOWARD DEAN!! You are doing everything a party chairman should be doing!!
(it's funny how the people who complain most about Dem unity are the first to jump ship when they perceive something they don't like! :)
War protesters in London:
Police shut down streets in the heart of London's shopping and theater district for the demonstration, which organizers hoped would attract up to 100,000 people. Police had no immediate crowd estimates, but the protest began with thousands of people.
No mention of tear gas or rubber bullets. Maybe that's why they're caleed bobbies, while we used to call the ones in DC something else during Viet Nam.
It would help if the DNC could get a storefront open on the internet where we could start buying T-shirts, pins, and bumper stickers now....not wait till fall.
Just a thought. later.
Posted by SandyH on March 18, 2006 at 09:33 AM
Sandy, I have harped from the last election, that the Democratic Party must Sell Itself back to the People, prior to trying to sell it's candidates!
Ads showing working people, Elderly, children, and saying Democratic Party, the Party of the People would be SO effective right now.
Maybe the DNC will provide instructions to us on how to become a delegate. (I think maybe Dors, Eli & myself have been one before in our own states. I'm sure there were others.)
Posted by Bleujae on March 18, 2006 at 08:16 AM
me, too! politics is local! find out what the procedures are for your local Democratic pary. we held a caucus after the primary election, elected our delegates and then all piled into the courthouse to hear the results announced. larger counties require more "politikin'", and gathering support for your candidacy...but if your neighbors and friends know that you're informed and a worker, they'll vote for you. (especially if you ask them to do so...that sums it up)
i hope that many of you are busy with the GOTV effort for the primary
i'm on my way to be a happy warrior...GOTV y'all
While getting my hair cut yesterday, the young gal in the chair next to me was telling the hairdresser the Goodbye party for her husband is tonight, and he leaves for 2 years for Iraq this week, leaving her with a young child.
She was saying she was going to go to Lieberman's office and ask him WHY are we in Iraq, and WHY are we staying there, when it appears to all be nothing but Lies!
I told her not to bother. that every single correspondence from Lieberman says One thing.
That Saddam Hussein was a bad man and needed to be brought down! ( Funny how the bad men in non-oil countries, like N.Korea , etc are not bothered with!!)
Anyways she was anxious and upset and really just wanted to know WHY her husband was going into harm's way. What is the reason. Like Cindy Sheehan, she wants to know what the noble cause is, in case he comes back dead or with no legs or eyes.
I was depressed the rest of the day because there was no answer for her.
> If we manage to take our country back can we sue alll of the
> traitors and confiscate their illegal billions and fix everything?
Posted by xdebx on March 18, 2006 at 01:53 AM
Amen to that! OJ was sued for wrongful death even after he was exonerated by the jury in the murder trial, so why not? Maybe that's why they're so hot on tort "reform"—covering their own "personalities."
There are two houses.
In one house, Widow Smith squints through scratched, crooked, cloudy glasses at her thermostat. With a palsied hand, she turns the thermostat down and steps back. Pulling her blanket tighter around her, she steps back to the thermostat and turns it down again.
In the other house, Corporate Chairman Jones takes out a fat cigar, admires it before swirling the fine cognac in his exquisite cognac snifter, then sniffs the cognac vapors with appreciation. His cigar will have to wait, however, because the hand holding it is scheduled for an imminent manicure.
"Hundreds of thousands of people will take to the streets in Britain and around the world today to protest over the presence of British and American troops in Iraq, amid increasing official recognition that the country is slipping into civil war.
Organizers of the mass demonstration, timed to mark the third anniversary of the morning President George Bush declared war on Iraq on 20 March 2003, hope it will attract similar numbers to the million who protested in London in February that year.
Lavndrblue/TexasLane,
Apparently "if" you pick on the party you are called a troll or worse a REPUBLICAN in hiding. Hey, I live in Texas and am surrounded by IDIOTS who support DUMBYA and I shoot them down in an meaningful debate EVERYTIME!!! But, they have me syumped when they ask what is the DEMOCRATIC plan and there is none!!!
It's like a boxer's mentality. The BOXER is the one who fights, be many know it is the trainer that tells him what he needs to do to win the fight...If that analogy is true, then the DEM Representatives/Senators are taking punches in hopes of tiring out their oopponents rather than fight back. FEINGOLD threw a punch, and instead of continuing, they faded back into defense mode...
But, DEAN has access to REID and PELOSI and they say. "HE ONLY RUNS THE DNC"...well, duh? However, and strong and forceful response from the DNC Chairman would have gone a long way towards shaming those that let one of their own flounder on the floor of the SENATE!
The things I agree on:
BILL CLINTON was the GREATEST President there ever was, and the DNC should be begging for GORE/FEINGOLD to run for President...
A BETTER plan is needed. They can quote the Center for American Progress. It is a great plan to get health care for the people who need it, a budget that makes some sense and a course that is clearly lacking within the DNC.
The DEMS need to stop playing nice, and become more combative. EVERY TIME they call out the President, Cheney and his goons mention the T-Word and they become silent as the grave.
Time is of the essence and they need to:
1) Call out LIEBERMAN. If this is the DNC, then express your disappointment in him. At least, this may wake him up.
2) It has to be an all or nothing option, because the REPUBS are already distancing themselves from Bush (just enough) to get re-elected. Soo they will lose that advantage.
3) Adopt a plan that is workable and begin detailing it! So what if they pick it apart, if you show some strategy, the people will follow it.
4) The people are tired of waiting. This wait and see approach is foolish and shows uncertainty about the ideals of the party.
5) Get in front of people. CNN, HEADLINE NEWS, ABC, CBS, etc. If you say it enough or with conviction and some controversy, they will follow you!
There is a lot more, but hey everyone has an idea.
The DNC should have lined up behind FEINGOLD and they did not.
The DNC is invisible! I HATE Ken Mehlman and I see this skinny idiot at so many functions it's ridiculous!
He has been as several NAACP meeting, and I have seen DEAN, maybe twice?
Maybe, I see it as a simple case of COURAGE in the face of adversity. But I read HUFFINGTON POST, THINK PROGRESS, RAW STORY and within those forums, or listing...ther is NOTHING about a forceful response from the DNC...
To me, that is both disgraceful and shows a lack of foresight! But, hey they attack me for calling them to perform the duties they were elected to serve...
I wonder of DEAN will forego his salary because he has not performed his duties up to the expectations of the party he serves? Either way, the DEMOCRATS have a lack of representation...
Has DEAN marched with the people from BILOXI? How many times has he visited New Orleans? How many times did he visit the evacuees in Houston? Gitmo? Iraq?
Maybe I am wrong for asking for accountability of the leader of any party...Especially this one to which my mother and father support! For me, it is a right that I exercise diligently, especially if you are soliciting those that you claim to be working for!!!
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 18, 2006 at 10:33 AM
You really need to take some anger management. Dissing Dean gets us nor the party any where. Constructive critisism and new ideas do (I think one of the regulars told me that when I first came to this blog :) )
Wow, how did I get brought into this so early in the morning? I just signed on. :~)
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 18, 2006 at 10:33 AM
Oh, and by the way I didn't attack you!
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 18, 2006 at 10:33 AM
"Maybe I am wrong for asking for accountability of the leader of any party...Especially this one to which my mother and father support! For me, it is a right that I exercise diligently, especially if you are soliciting those that you claim to be working for!!!"
I can't let this go folks........
Tha_Rule,
If you want to hold our leaders accountable look no further than George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Condi Rice, and the list goes on and on (Delay, Frist, Lieberman etc, etc, ).........these are the people and the party you should vent your anger on, not the DNC.
bbl to take my lumps!!! :)
Awww…fade2bluz…The TRUTH hurts don’t it…Now you understand the frustration that is felt by millions or DEMOCRATS because of the lack of intensity that is necessary to extort a response that would (in itself) be a meaningful example of a trait called LEADERSHIP!
But, to write: “you're not a democrat...eff off, tell ollie to eff off, and g.gordon and the other convicted felons can kiss my kickin' ass”
Well ain’t that sweet! Because I have the audacity to call out DEAN and let him know my disappointment of his deafening silence on matters of importance for me and my family, I am called a troll? I will not resort to name calling, but will just work on facts to emphasize my point of view! But in any case, let’s examine that, shall we?
Your retort would indicate that FEINGOLD was wrong for his CENSURE, and you SUPPORT the DEMS in their clear non-response to the actions that may have led to a formal investigation. You agree that DEAN has no power, authority, or vision to make a difference and should be supported even though he has shown no support on this matter? So, inaction is an action to ensure we win back Congress?
But it is odd that you mention 29% of REPUBS want a CENSURE! So, I say again, YOU would have the DEMS sit and wait for something to happen. A REACTIVE stance is clearly wrong in this circumstance and yet, where is the poll reading, 100% of DEMOCRATIC SENATORS support censure?
You also stated, we are the grass roots and our leadership doesn't tell us what WE THINK, or how to feel...we are Democrats...find another name and get more clever, please...this is tedius
Tedious, nah, that is kinda ridiculous actually. A grass roots organization? Now that is new…I thought the Democratic Party was one of the two major parties of the United States? My bad, I will check on that one! I am not looking for leadership to tell ANYONE how to feel, but I am looking for leadership to plot a course of action for victory! You support the one’s making a stand, and do not abandon them. I have called for accountability within this party, yet you resort to insinuations based upon frustration towards me?
At least I can get a passionate response…Question is, why can DEAN or anyone else in the party except for Gore and Feingold? Grass roots? More like they are waiting for the grass to grow…
Have a Nice Day!
Hey Rule...I like your ideas...you come across as being a bit hostile though...understandable because the country is f___ed and we are all upset.
That said...The problem is that the corporations own almost all of the media. They have think tanks cutting up the sound bites so that the dem message is incoherent...it's done on purpose...if you watch C-span dems are articulate and clear although dems are for putting heads together and coming up with solutions that appease/please the most people.
What we need most is the Fairness Doctrine restored so that TV has to present both sides to issues.
Dems are for healthcare for everyone, Kyoto, equal rights, balanced budget, and taking the country out of the oil age.
Anyways she was anxious and upset and really just wanted to know WHY her husband was going into harm's way. What is the reason. Like Cindy Sheehan, she wants to know what the noble cause is, in case he comes back dead or with no legs or eyes.
I was depressed the rest of the day because there was no answer for her.
Posted by PamB on March 18, 2006 at 09:49 AM
well, there may not be an answer, but there is an alternative NED LAMONT. he sent me a nice e-mail today and i will send him a contribution Monday, which is pay day.
Hi Pam: i need the men huskies to go all the way. once again this damn tournament has humbled my predictive abilities.
President Reagan rescinded the FAIRNESS ACT in 1987.
Mark Crispin Miller, professor of Film and Media Studies at the Johns Hopkins University, has written about the increasing concentration of ownership of media companies in the United States. Miller has created charts that trace the holdings of four major conglomerates: Time Warner (CNN), Disney/Cap Cities (ABC), General Electric (NBC), and Westinghouse (CBS). These corporations also own radio stations, newspapers, magazines, cable TV, and motion pictures. The (non-media) holdings of these conglomerates create "alarming conflicts of interests" says Miller.
Rep. Luther Johnson (D.-Texas), in the debate that preceded the Radio Act (predecessor to the Fairness Act) of 1927 said: "American thought and American politics will be largely at the mercy of those who operate these stations, for publicity is the most powerful weapon that can be wielded in a republic. And when such a weapon is placed in the hands of one person, or a single selfish group is permitted to either tacitly or otherwise acquire ownership or dominate these broadcasting stations throughout the country, then woe be to those who dare to differ with them. It will be impossible to compete with them in reaching the ears of the American people."
We are a TV watching culture. TV exists for only one reason - to sell us something. It used to sell us only goods to purchase. It is now, also, selling an agenda. Restore the Fairness Doctrine to restore freedom of speech in our media.
Today is Kimmy Cash's birthday (of Punx for Dean/Democracy and DIY Politics). There's a birthday shout-out to her here.
So Called National Security Strategy
First off in order to have a strategy, you have to be able to look at the big picture. Obviously our current President Bush is incapable of doing so. I saw the new movie V for Vendetta and encourage anyone who thinks the patriot act is a good idea to go see it; I further encourage anyone who thinks it is a bad idea to go see it. The movie is a good example of what laws like that can do to a country like this. I'll give you an example, and before please note I lived in New York City (though I grew up in St. Louis) during the terrible tragedy of September 11th 2001, and while I felt strongly for revenge on that morning, hoping we would strike Afghanistan. I now feel remorse, and guilt for that anger. We attacked whole countries in the Middle East, for the actions of very small segments of the population, the average Afghani, or Iraqi is much more concerned with survival (subsistence farming, or menial labor) than terrorism, or Al-Qaeda. Lets be honest, were there not gigantic quantities of oil, we wouldn’t be involved in the Middle East to begin with; Therefore 9-11 would never have happened. Over 2,000 Americans die every day in drunk driving accidents, does that mean we need a new law to take away the drivers license of everyone who goes to a bar more than four times a month, and owns a car. That would be a Pre-Emptive strike, saving the lives of over 250,000 Americans in the past 10 years. Far more than ever died on September 11th, I bet the average American has never shed so much as a tear over Drunk Driving, not until it happens to them or someone they know. Yet we all cried over September 11th, because the media made it into much more than it was, and who controls the media, a handful of very wealthy men, who all had an interest in the outcome of the events. America has the oldest government in the world, and in my opinion we could use a little revolution of our own. Corporations and The Media rule this country. This is not a Democracy, it's a Republic, and after the 2000 Election I don't know if it is even worthy of that title. I'm not a radical, I'm not even a liberal, I'm a realist. This country is in a whole heap of trouble, and it is going to take allot more than one man to change that. It's going to take all of us together....
One last thing the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting a different result!
Time to change America! Who's up to the job?
Tha_Rule,
If you want to hold our leaders accountable look no further than George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Condi Rice, and the list goes on and on (Delay, Frist, Lieberman etc, etc, ).........these are the people and the party you should vent your anger on, not the DNC.
bbl to take my lumps!!! :)
Posted by lavndrblue on March 18, 2006 at 10:51 AM
Nah, dude...It's all good...This is just debating a fact between two reasonable & rational adults...
I can get with that, and have no beef with anyone, unless they come at me wong and then we get dirty with it...
Now, as for the leaders...I have NOTHING BUT CONTEMPT for those you mentioned. But I have EVEN MORE contempt for those who want support and do not offer a better vision and then hide when the going gets tough!
Look, it's no secret, BUSH is an idiot! CHENEY is a crook! LIEBERMAN is a REPUBLICAN! and FRIST is a zealot!!!
But for me it is more disappointing that the DEMS want the votes of those left behind by BUSH's compassionate conservatism, and yet when it is time to fight for the people, they hide behind the safety of complacency!
As a person who loves religion, I asked my pastor! Who is the worst sinner, the one who commits a sin outside of the church or the one who commits it while being a member of the church? The answer: The one in the church, because they should know better!
The DNC claims the name DEMOCRATIC PARTY, yet many insinuate they have no ability to alter the misguided course that they are on! If they CANNOT organize themselves to support a unified plan of action, then why should the country trust them when it comes to an election? To me, that is immoral because of BUSH's low rating!
They are hoping they will vote against REPUBLICAN rather than FOR them! That is a flawwed strategy that failed Kerry (with help from Diebold)...
If my debate helps, then great..If not, then I am okay with that. But, just as they ahve their opinion I have mine. To attck me, insinuates that they TRULY DO NOT BELIEVE what they are preaching here and my dad is now seeing that the DEMS have abandoned them and my family. The Katrina disaster showed us that BUSH killed many, and that the DNC left them behind!
Something has to be done to help them, and playing nice hasn't worked thus far and there are MANY independents that are looking for another option. This probably would have been a perfect time for Ross Perot?
But, there's NO DISRESPECT for you...On the contrary, If I am wrong, I will admit that. Learning is an option that exists throughout my life. I welcome it, and see no malice in waking up those who feel they have my support without working for it!
RESPECTFULLY,
Rule
Time to change America! Who's up to the job?
(Justin)
We all are...and we're growing every day. We're going to do more than take the country back, we're going to make it better.
Alternative/renewable energy is more than solution to pollution...it's a solution to our national security...it's a solution to our economy.
Big Oil will fight it all of the way because once we have photo-electric solar panels on every roof in the country feeding the grid, and plug-in electric hybrids...we won't be buying gasoline. But we will all be better off.
Posted by xdebx on March 18, 2006 at 11:00 AM
Yeah...I agree!!! I DO NOT see Howard Dean on FOX anytime soon, and the fairness act has been replaced by ratings and partisanship in the media...
To be HONEST, the DNC should go to URBAN shows like BET, MTV and other channels to get their point across! Hey, BILL played a sax on ARSENIO and it worked!!!
The DNC is being muted by execs who want their tax cuts, and that is NO SECRET, but CONTROVERSY sells, and if you create some, then YOU WILL get the coverage!
The talk was ALL FEINGOLD when he intriduced the CENSURE! If DEMS had stood behind him, this would have DOMINATED HEADLINE up to this day! But, they cowered and it faded!
Hopefully someone in this organization will get a clue...
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 18, 2006 at 11:17 AM
Thanks Rule,
Same goes here I meant no disrespect towards you. Your debate and ideas do help it just is hard for me to take the anger. I do hear what you are saying and like most supporting the Democratic Party I want change as well. Am I angry at the Democratic Party? Yes I am, but for my own sanity I am going to approach it by trying to change it he only way I know how. That is to get their attention by working locally and then support the candidates that represent the values that the Democratic Party should have.
Have a great day Rule....see ya on the flip flop. :)
Howdy, ALL
This the 1 year anniversary of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube being pulled. I wonder if the Chimp will made a statement, or is he too chicken to show his face on the THIRD ANNIVERSARY of HIS stupid little excercise in megalomania?
My friend who works for the CTA got called in to work overtime just now. It seems that they are expecting ANOTHER surprise crowd much larger than the 10,000 they were originally expecting for the Anti-War march.
See ya later fair dems...keep on...keep on...the world it needs a savin'...
Posted by Rally on March 18, 2006 at 10:20 AM
In the other house, Bill Clinton takes out a fat cigar, admires it before swirling the fine cognac in his exquisite cognac snifter, then sniffs the cognac vapors with appreciation. His cigar will have to wait, however, because Monica already has her legs wrapped around his neck.
Posted by Rally on March 18, 2006 at 10:20 AM
In the other house, Bill Clinton takes out a fat cigar, admires it before swirling the fine cognac in his exquisite cognac snifter, then sniffs the cognac vapors with appreciation. Smoking his cigar will have to wait, however, because Monica already has her legs wrapped around his neck.
oops
Hi Pam: i need the men huskies to go all the way. once again this damn tournament has humbled my predictive abilities.
Posted by bb on March 18, 2006 at 11:03
AM
Hopefully, Calhoun is reading my letters, bob!!!:)) I've given him lots of tips!
> This probably would have been a perfect time for Ross Perot?
Haven't we had enough conservatives bringing down our country? Perot is beholden to Reagan policies for his billions, which is why I didn't vote for him the first time around.
>His cigar will have to wait, however, because Monica already has
> her legs wrapped around his neck.
Posted by *Sally* on March 18, 2006 at 11:40 AM
Your point, asshole?
Warrentless wiretaps, warrentless searches
sneek and peek
Do we even need the 4th amendment anymore?
Bush has effctively done away with it.
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=17810
one example of searching on private property
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/nest/051222nest.htm
The assault on the constitution needs to be stopped, Impeach and then investigate just how far they went.
Posted by 60srad on March 18, 2006 at 11:44 AM
Perot made his billions in the 60's.
Posted by 60srad on March 18, 2006 at 11:48 AM
MY point dopey was that it was a stupid story, this poor rich guy apparently has only one hand because he can't smoke a cigar while he is getting a manicure. But if Clinton was diddling Monica with the cigar, that would take the cigar out of action as far as smoking it is concerned.
Tha_
I figured out your problem! You think the Democratic National Committee has the power to make Senators and Reps do whatever it is they feel will make the party win. This is where you are wrong.
Here is what the DNC is for:
The Democratic National Committee plans the Party's quadrennial presidential nominating convention; promotes the election of Party candidates with both technical and financial support; and works with national, state, and local party organizations, elected officials, candidates, and constituencies to respond to the needs and views of the Democratic electorate and the nation
In 1848, the National Convention established the Democratic National Committee, now the longest running political organization in the world. The Convention charged the DNC with the responsibility of promoting "the Democratic cause" between the conventions and preparing for the next convention.
go here and see what the other branches of Democrats are for:
http://www.democrats.org/a/party/ourorganization.html
I said before, but you obviously don't read anything that might make any sense, except your own rage! ( You Goriacs are worse than the Deaniacs were! ) Put you Actions where you mouth is! Get local and do something about what you are bitching about!
http://www.democrats.org/local.html
Read here what Dean's vision is! He has appeared on FAR more TV networks and given speechs than McAuliffe ever did! I don't know where you have been.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/11/governor_dean_o_2.php
And if you STILL want to bitch about Dean, why don't you go and do it directly:
Contact Section.......
your bitching does nothing here, as you have seen, other than alienate others against you.
My guess is you are about 16 years old, and have not learned that actions speak louder than words!
Lieberman is a Democrat as Democrats always have been in the past. He has not left the party, the party is trying to leave him. The party was never dominated by leftwing nutballs before - they had them but they were not in control. THe more candidates that your wing of the party selects, the more you will lose and the more power the Republicans will have.
If your candidate for President is Feingold, Dean or any of these leftwing goofballs you will lose in impressive fashion regardless of who the Republicans run.
Feingold looks like Soupy Sails, I keep waiting for him to get hit with a pie.
60srad
If you check Open Secrets.org, you will see that Perot continues to give the majority of his political contributions to Republicans! That tells you he is voting with his Wallet, too!
Screw the little guy he professed to be for, back in 1990s.
I had to laugh a while ago. MSNBC had Buchanan on and a Democratic Strategist. Buchanan was repeating the GOP propoganda line out, that Feingold's call for censure was a Plus for Republicans! HAHAHA.
I just sent him and email and told him that for every Republican energized, that 2 Democrats were energized to see that this administration finally gets what is coming to them!
I sent him this, from my 9:11AM above:
And people don't just support impeachment. They're passionate about it. Bush is the least liked president on record, excepting only Nixon, and Bush is on track to break Nixon's record this spring. Nothing will energize people to vote against Republicans like talk of impeaching Bush and Cheney. Few other issues can provide the dramatic motivation to turn out voters in an off-year election.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_sw_060317_republicans_for_impe.htm
You know, what the Democrats need to do is much simpler than anyone thinks. MUCH simpler.
1) They need NATIONAL COMMERCIALS to make sure that the nation knows who's really aiding the terrorists. Put simply:
a) Terrorism in Iraq due to Republican mismanagement
b) Osama Bin Laden at large. A simple commercial showing "Osama, wanted, $26 million dollars, couldn't be captured by Bush" or somesuch. Something which resonates and hits hard.
c) A list of misinformation about the "War on Terror."
Put it on during the Final Four. Millions of people total watch the Final Four, right-wing, left-wing, independent, ACC and Big Sky.
If this seems tasteless, impolite and just plain wrong, consider the tactics of the other side.
That would be a start.
2) More human-based initiatives.
The problem with the Democrats is that we're hearing about their REACTIONARY stances but not their PRO-ACTIVE stances.
Democrats aren't supposed to be reactionaries. That's what we leave to the right-wing. Instead of looking at bad news and crowing, we need to create good news.
Or news that the Republicans don't care about you and don't care about anything having to do with you.
For example, proposing legislation that would reinstate all those student loans and strengthening Medicare and Medicaid. Let the Republicans vote it down and then lay the smack down on them.
Where's the legislation? If it exists, where's the story? Where's the message?
I heard from a Republican recently that Bush had balanced the budget. Why don't we make light of what he eviscerated to balance the budget? Why aren't we still making fun of his $300 tax refund thing?
3) A more focused look at the economy.
We need to begin convincing people that more money in their tax pockets only feeds the people to whom they PAY it.
I mean, a Republican puts it this way: we go out and buy something and it helps the economy. But who's it really helping?
Is it helping the workers at Wal-mart or other chain stores, even if there are MORE of them? Is this who we're really helping?
I think we all know the answer to this question. The Republicans want to make it seem like it makes sense to roll back programs for the poor to feed the pockets of the rich.
Didn't we do away with feudalism 500 years ago?
4) Basically, we need to focus on not just what the Republicans are doing wrong, but WHY it's so wrong.
The Republicans win if they win the battle of information, and we're handing it to them by looking like anti-establishment freaks - which is, sadly, what we're moving towards ever so quickly.
Hopefully, the grassroots organizations that Dean has worked so hard to put up are actually sending the MESSAGE.
I worked in Fayette County, PA for Kerry last election cycle (and we won the county), and I was able to sit in people's living rooms and really talk to them about the issues.
If we had the issues out in front of us, and glaring headlines saying "Republicans tear huge chunks in student loans and programs for the poor, something the Democrats would never do," we might actually have a shot.
At this point we look impotent because we ARE impotent. Our message appears to be:
Give us back Congress, and we'll enact social change.
Why not push for social change RIGHT NOW? We're being tagged a bunch of freaks because it's EXACTLY HOW WE'RE ACTING.
Congress was Democratic for 40 years until the Republicans got a message. That's not an accident. That's a lesson.
The erosion of Bush's numbers is coming from disenchantment from the base. The Democrats are not likely to pick up any of these voters in the fall. Bush needs to qet right with base on immigration, spending and fighting a more aggressive war in Iraq. He will do that and his numbers will rebound to the 50% area (I never said 60%).
Nixon didn't have the lowest numbers ever, Harry Truman did (23%) that's why he didn't seek re election in 1952.
Bush needs to qet right with base on immigration, spending and fighting a more aggressive war in Iraq. He will do that and his numbers will rebound to the 50% area
Yeah, right! and the Easter bunny will be visiting you too, Stevie! You been saying this for 6 years now! Time to call it quits! BUSH AIN'T NEVER GOING TO GET IT RIGHT, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SIMPLE TRUTH???????
If it does not help his Corporate wealthy donors, or his Religious Fringe nuts, then he will not do it! Got it?
Immigration, environment, Deficit, Spending, illegal invasions, all are for helping the wealthy!
Don't know if it's been posted, but it looks like the NY City police support "pre-emptive arrests", yea arrest people before they actually commit any crime or do anything wrong because they are obviously potential rioters, not actual rioters, but only that they have the potential to be rioters. Welcome to Bush's Fascist Amerika :
Police Memos Say Arrest Tactics Calmed Protest
In five internal reports made public yesterday as part of a lawsuit, New York City police commanders candidly discuss how they had successfully used "proactive arrests," covert surveillance and psychological tactics at political demonstrations in 2002, and recommend that those approaches be employed at future gatherings.Among the most effective strategies, one police captain wrote, was the seizure of demonstrators on Fifth Avenue who were described as "obviously potential rioters."
Oh, and here's a little ditty about that new Project SWARMER and it's failure to find any real terrorists. With Bush at 33 % it seems it really was a PR Effort after all:
On Scene: How Operation Swarmer Fizzled
Not a shot was fired, or a leader nabbed, in a major offensive that failed to live up to its advance billing
Four Black Hawk helicopters landed in a wheat field and dropped off a television crew, three photographers, three print reporters and three Iraqi government officials right into the middle of Operation Swarmer. Iraqi soldiers in newly painted humvees, green and red Iraqi flags stenciled on the tailgates, had just finished searching the farm populated by a half-dozen skinny cows and a woman kneading freshly risen dough and slapping it to the walls of a mud oven.
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower since the start of the war. ("Air Assault" is a military term that refers specifically to transporting troops into an area.) In fact, there were no airstrikes and no leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What’s more, there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance, said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
just in case any of you think Lieberman is a typical Democrat, here are some truths about his past since he took office here in CT !
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45c/index-dba.html
And bb, I will be working for Ned Lamont, for sure. Meeting on 3-27th I plan on attending.
a REAL Democat, who is Anti -this illegal invasion, Pro-Choice, Pro Worker, Pro Gay Marriage.
Posted by PamB on March 18, 2006 at 12:25 PM
When did you have it right? When you voted for Reagan or now when you are a leftwing nutball?
I haven't been here for 6 years - no one has - this blog only started in Sept 2003, I started posting 2 weeks after it started. Bush will get it right he has to for his legacy. But getting it right means much more of policies that liberals hate.
Bush does have something in common with Nixon though, He is too liberal. Chenney is a true conservative. Consevative values are popular with the electorate liberal "values" are not.
Robert, If you are still around, you asked about Lamont's civil rights stance. Well this is the article on his announcing his candidacy.
One of the speakers introducing Lamont was Max Medina, a Bridgeport school board member and a director of the Connecticut Citizen Action Group. He promised Lamont would be a leader on abortion rights and civil rights, including gay marriage.
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-lamont0314.artmar14,0,5612031.story
If you have a couple bucks to donate, and want to get rid of Lieberman, go here:
a REAL Democat, who is Anti -this illegal invasion, Pro-Choice, Pro Worker, Pro Gay Marriage.
Posted by PamB on March 18, 2006 at 12:36 PM
I hope all your candidates run on all of those "values". Pro a womans right to kill her baby and queer marriage are total loosers as will be your candidates.
Oh Lamont supports queer marriage. He will go down in flames even in a CT primary.
I was an Un-affiliated voter until 2000! I voted for whom I thought would do the best for the country. Sometimes, I chose wrong, as in Reagan, who turned out to be typical Corporate loving Republican, BIG spender, put the country in deep hock! took credit for ending cold war, when the Soviet Union became bankrupt and imploded itself! Had to have his wife tell him how to run the last few years, because he would not give in to his disability!
When I saw what the Republican Party became-----cheaters, liars, thieves, corrupt, power hungry, saying the Constitution was 'nothing but a GD piece of paper', well I went and registered Democratic as a matter or principle, so no one would confuse me with this group!!!
Do the Republicans really care about unborn babies or do they just like to make life hard for the poor (who usually voted against them), while funneling money into their own pockets and those of their big campaign contributors?
Low-income women would be affected
House OKs birth control funding ban
By KIT WAGAR
The Star’s Jefferson City correspondent
JEFFERSON CITY — The Missouri House voted Wednesday to ban state funding of contraceptives for low-income women and to prohibit state-funded programs from referring those women to other programs.
Critics jumped on the proposal, saying it would lead to more abortions and more unwanted children on welfare.
But the proposal’s sponsor, Republican Rep. Susan Phillips of Kansas City, said contraceptive services were an inappropriate use of tax dollars. “If doctors want to give contraception privately or personally, they can,” Phillips said. “But we don’t need to pay for contraception with taxpayer funds.”....
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/14109047.htm
They also feel they don't need to use public funds to help pay medical expenses of any kind for poor, sick people.
The Republican-controlled Missouri legislature has been cutting back on Medicaid help for seniors and the sick poor for the last two years now. Our Christian-challenged, boy Governor spurs them on. Apparently, there is no end in sight now that they feel God is on their side...and that the poor deserve nothing but scorn and shame.
Blessed are the self-righteous and avarious.
a little good news!
Judges Overturn Bush Bid to Ease Pollution Rules
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031806Y.shtml
Oh Lamont supports queer marriage. He will go down in flames even in a CT primary.
Posted by *Sally* on March 18, 2006 at 12:47 PM
The "culture" in CT & MA, as well as some in CA & FL will support marriage rights for everyone. Those in your state and mine will not. It's not ignorance, it's just how people are. I am accepting of all cultures and the people in them.
Afternoon All, *waving to Pam/Lamont Supporter* and also
*waving to Jen*
Thought you might appreciate what was posted at Atrios by a commentor:
I WANT MY FUCKING COUNTRY BACK.
Thank you.
plantsman | Homepage | 03.18.06 - 11:38 am | #
Gotta love those Atriots.
Burnsey at 12:36
Please don't characterize this operation in Samarra as a PR stunt. My son is there now. I could tell you things, but of course I can't. Let's just say, he's earning his pay. And mom is trying to breathe. OK?
Love ya - Joan
Can someone explain to me why *Sally* even comes here? Shouldn't he be at the RNC blog strategizing on how the Repugs can salvage anything in November elections? Besides he spouts complete and utter drivel.
Sally's an old, er, friend of the family so to speak. He lives under the bed and comes out for juice once in a while. He's a troll, but he's our little troll. We pretend to listen, he pretends he thinks we listen, everyone's happy, then we pat him on the head send him back. :)
The "culture" in CT & MA, as well as some in CA & FL will support marriage rights for everyone.
You are right on, Jacq. We already have Civil Unions approved. Our Civil rights apply to ALL, regardless of Race, sex, gender, religion, etc.
This article shows that our MN friend is in the minority again, in his state, where Homosexuality and Gay marriage is not totally unacceptable!
No one blinder than those who will not see!
We Minnesotans aren’t as naïve as you might think. Outsiders imagine our state as a culturally conservative backwater, strangely removed from the national gay-marriage debate. It is true that gay issues aren’t always discussed openly here. But that doesn’t mean they don’t hit home with many University of Minnesota students. In fact, the fight over same-sex marriage is bringing this campus to a boil.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4516147/Hey
Posted by Bleujae on March 18, 2006 at 12:58 PM
Well, I think it is a safe bet to predict that Lieberman will win the primary easily. Queer marriage is not popular with the rank and file of the Democrat party. That issue along with abortion have driven people out of the party.
I don't think the longshormen in Bridgeport are gonna vote for Lamont because he is in favor of homo marriage. They are going to vote for Lieberman because he is not a weeny.
Posted by _Joan on March 18, 2006 at 01:13 PM
ROFLMAO! Thanks, just wondering..... ;)
Posted by _Joan on March 18, 2006 at 01:06 PM
Joan-ggod to see you, and I hope Mark is doing well. He is constantly in my thoughts, as are you. Unfortunately it isn't me that is characterizing this as a PR stunt, it is the reporters and folks that are actually on the ground and involved that characterize it as such. It shouldn't be a suprise to you that the Bush Administration uses the military men and women as props in their campaign to fix their "numbers".
I fully support those who go into the military, having many of them in my family over the decades, I unfortunately do not support those who would use them for their own ends.
As I said, both you and Mark are in my thoughts. I hope, on this the third anniversary of this ill-gotten war, that he is well and performing his Chaplain duties with pride and the honor that his mother is showing. Which I am sure he is.
Peace and Love as always-
Robert
The Longshoresmen, #1- are Union and Lieberman has not been friendly to the unions and working men (see the article at 12:36 above).
#2- Are pissed over Dubai Port deal, and the fact that a Republican Pres was looking to sneak that in!!!
#3 - Everyone in this state thinks Lieberman is a weenie!---- too afraid to stand up for Democratic principles, so rides that center line hoping maybe somebody will nominate him again for VP or Pres so has to try and keep both sides happy!
Steve,
Lieberman will win because he is the incumbent and has a massive war chest, or Lamont will win because the grassroots movement isn't taking the same ole shit, different day any more.
Abortion & gay marriage are republican wedge issues. The government shouldn't be involved in either save for the safety & well being of ALL of the citizens of the USA.
Posted by PamB on March 18, 2006 at 01:17 PM
I live in Minnesota and the debate on Gay Marriage is hotter than ever. Our Govenor being a Repug supports the amendment and actually posed with anti-gay marriage protesters at the capital. Some were holding signs that said "Death to Homsexuals". Depressing isn't it? We have a State Senator that is running for Congress this year and she one of the co-founders of the Amendment to Ban Gay Marriage here. The only saving grace is that the Senate has a slim Democratic majority and won't let the amendment reach the floor......at least not yet.
{{{LizzyBeth}}} and {{{Jen}}}, {{Robert}}}
Good to see you all, time to head out and get some chores done. Will blog ya all later
{{{{{{{JOAN}}}}}}}
honey it is so wonderful to see you and to learn that Mark is okay. we've been worried sick. we missed you muchly! mwah!
Feingold looks like Soupy Sails, I keep waiting for him to get hit with a pie.
Posted by *Sally* on March 18, 2006 at 12:04 PM
LMAO! If I have to listen to voters come in my office in 2008 & say this like I heard that Kerry looks like a hound dog/Herman Munster, I'll scream!
If it was based on looks alone...John Edwards would be in the White House right now. ;)
Nice to see you Joan.
*shaking my fist at bush, waving to Jacque and Robert--resume shaking**
For Jen
Unlike the Iraqis, the Syrians and Iranians have large, well-trained, well-paid, well-motivated armies and will fight back it Bush decides to invade instead of bomb from afar. These are unified countries with strong nationalistic feelings unlike Iraqi or Afganistan.
Noting how stupid Cheney and Rumsfeld have been so far, I assume they will invade when Bush's poll numbers tank too low...which they will, when gasoline prices rise this summer and the Medicare doughnut hole hits seniors.
I hope that our military leaders have taken more steps to insure that our troops have all the equipment they need before staging such an invasion. We are stretched too thin as it is.
Where is Bush going to get the manpower?
By the way Jacqui, our township had an election for supervisor the other night. My candidate won with 16 votes. His opponent, the incumbent, got 12. We use pencils to mark x's on our ballots. But for the next election we are getting some kind of new ballot readers at a cost of $4000 each and they will probably have 2 of them. Your tax dollars at work.
Hey there Burnsey - What I meant to say is that Mark is on the ground in Samarra NOW. No PR stunt for him today. Danger in every step, if you catch my drift. Part of his job. Soldier first, chaplain second. That's the way they operate. Whatever they need him for - that's where they send him. I'd be happy as a clam if he was just standing around posin'. Unfortunately not the case.
God willing, he'll soon be home for a few days and I'll fill him up with pie. :)) I hope this finds you healthy. I think of you often.
Steve,
You currently use the optical scan system. I highly recommend it...by voting absentee, if your state allows without an excuse. If you have an excuse, use it. Now all optical scan systems must do a precinct count instead of central count, that is a high dollar cost as well as having a DRE that can be used for handicap voters.
It's called HAVA 2002. Help American Vote Act which was co-sponsored by my current & most notorious congressman, "Representative # 1" aka, Bob Ney here in the 18th of OH. It's a federal mandate that is going to destroy democracy as we know it as well as bankrupt local county government funds due to the costs not included in the billions set aside to pay for the initial costs. I've spent over $20,000 of my county taxpayer dollars the past 2 weeks in hidden costs of this new voting system. What a waste.
Posted by _Joan on March 18, 2006 at 01:50 PM
Give him some icecream as well.
Glad to see you here, it's been so long.
PEACE-
Got a lot to do now
lizzy send me those pictures if you can, I'm, yes beleive it or not, I'm working on a new project.
yay Burnsey's working!! woohoo! that's great news! hooray! what a wonderful day this is!!!
send me those pictures
Robert, I am have been amiss in my emailing...I am downloading them as I write this. Can I post them on NBF??
Posted by jen on March 18, 2006 at 01:59 PM
Awwww, shucks!
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on March 18, 2006 at 02:03 PM
Sure, thanks.
Whooooops! That should have read peppermintlizzy.
Thanks for the song. But thank you anyway jen for being jen.
Ok...here's Burnsey
Isn't he just the nicest man ever??
This pretty much explains it all. Everyone should see this -- DVD available at your local library.
BBB,
I don't remember posting a song...I think it was Jen.
PamB...Get a clue...I guess the leadership page is too confusing for you? However, as I said, either DEAN is a leader or he isn't...So I guess YOU are admitting that DEAN is in fact powerless to make ANY significant change...Then that is a sad state of affairs...
As for alienation, that is nothing new...It's not like this forum has made any difference either? Has DEAN made ANY significant statement to support FEINGOLD??? (Hear the crickets chirping?)
As I said, if they want to say grass roots, then that is a flawwed and wimpish analogy to an confused and misguided party. If one stands strong on principle, then whatdo they ahve to fear...
Bu the way, here's some interesting reading for those who feel that understanding is the best plausible way to deal with the sorry state of affirs that we are in...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/digby/the-dems-are-missing-the-_b_17475.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/three-crazy-things-democr_b_17454.html
But, hey, it's just me commenting about the spinless DEMS who hold a position??? Yeah, right!
Oh Frances...it is great to see you posting here too. Hope all is well with you.
regarding the Corporation...Winner of 24 INTERNATIONAL AWARDS, 10 of them AUDIENCE CHOICE AWARDS including the AUDIENCE AWARD for DOCUMENTARY in WORLD CINEMA at the 2004 SUNDANCE FILM FESTIVAL. The long-awaited DVD, available now in Australia and coming in March to North America, contains over 8 hour of additional footage.
Dean has effected perhaps the single most significant strategic move for the Democratic party we have ever seen- that being the complete decentralization of the outreach effort and organization. Anyone who judges his effectiveness on the basis of single episodes, like Feingold, for example, is mypotic, hysterical, misinformed or deliberately disruptive.
However, as I said, either DEAN is a leader or he isn't...So I guess YOU are admitting that DEAN is in fact powerless to make ANY significant change...Then that is a sad state of affairs...
YES, that is exactly what I am saying, that you are bitching up the wrong tree here ! If you are so naive as to think Howard has ANY power over Hillary clinton, Biden, Schumer, Lieberman, or ANY congress people, then you are truly uninformed !
Those Huffington articles say NOTHING about Howard and the DNC should be doing anything about Feingold and the Censure! They talk about the Senators and Reps who should be!
Howard's job is to gather money, and to help out States and Locals. He is doing just that with his Democracy Bonds and 50 State Strategy. He is not expected to, nor paid to call a meeting of congressmen and demand they back Feingold nor anything else.
Have you spoken to Howard? I HAVE! He expressed his frustration to me, about having this party divided by Centrists and Democrats. And his inability to force change.
You must have missed my 9:16AM, directed to you, and the Huffington types:
"We can only win if we put aside our angry rhetoric
Article after article containing only negatives, however accurate and truthful they may be, and many of them are quite such, leaves folks despairing and
given over to hopelessness. We need folks willing to act, to effect change,whether that be working to save the Democratic party if that is your bent, or working to help create a third party, or just writing letters to your elected officials, whatever as long as we are motivated to do something.
I have long noted that angry people seldom make progress without channeling that emotion into useful effort. Anger destroys, ultimately.
We do not endlessly rant at the horrific (sorry) leadership of the Democratic party that has left us alone in our struggle we continually suggest change and differing strategies to them and work, perhaps, to found a new and better political party. We write , we email, we march, we work and we work and we smile and we remain positive above all. We cannot convince people by depressing them, ultimately we must energise them through a shared vision of a better tomorrow
It is not through anger that we will triumph,it is not rage that will see us through it is enthusiasm and energy, it is a positive vision of a better nation and a peaceful planet that will make our work both easier and inevitable. This , I believe wholeheartedly, is the way to re-engage our uncaring electorate and to end the dictatorship in our political parties that fails to do right. Angry people seldom work together long, we must do this, a world is counting on us.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rick_dub_060317_putting_anger_aside.htm
Protesters wear masks depicting Bush and other political leaders as thousands gathered at Civic Center Plaza in San Francisco, Saturday, March 18, 2006, for a mass march and anti-war rally. Demonstrators rallied on Saturday to mark the third anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, demanding that troops be pulled out.
Howdy Tha_Rule,
I don't know why other Democratic leaders did not come out in support of Feingold's Censure Resolution. However, it is really Dean's job to organize the interested politicians, rather than shape their views. I would guess that none of the politicians expressed interest.
WHy politician are silent, my guesses:
> they feel like Feingold is trying steel the glory, jump the gun for his own gain,
> or certain democrats may have known what was going in Bush's spying program and nobody wants to blow their cover before midterm elections?
> or the democrats were trying to gather more facts to make a more coherent case against Bush.
Remember, Feingold has only been able to say we need answers, and I bet you broke the law.
Now, the DNC does have to listen to us, as do our leaders. So, write all the democrats and even republicans, and let them know you are mad and you think Russ Feingold's initiative is going in the right direction. Give us answers. Dean should hear the anger we feel, and he needs to keep us happy.
the heartland is getting feisty!
Wisconsin Voters Prepare to Weigh In On the War in Iraq
wisconsin is OK
WATERTOWN, Wis. -- In an exercise that one side calls democracy and the other considers a disservice, voters in 30 Wisconsin towns will cast ballots next month on whether the Bush administration should withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.
From Baraboo and Monona to Madison and La Crosse, antiwar activists invoked a 1911 state law to schedule a bring-the-troops-home referendum designed to send a message to Congress and the White House that the war is costing too many lives and too much money.
Watertown, a conservative city of 23,000 on the Rock River, voted strongly for President Bush in the past two elections, yet war opponents had no trouble gathering nearly 1,000 signatures to put the referendum on the April 4 ballot. The City Council objected, but it was overruled by a local court.
Hey Bob,
I wonder how we can do that in Every State and community? I would sure get it going here, if I knew how! I think I will tell Ned lamont about it!
"The Bush administration repeatedly made the presence in Iraq of Abu Musab Zarqawi a pretext for invading the country and overthrowing Saddam Hussein. They implied that he was a client of Saddam and that Saddam had arranged for hospital care for him.
Newly released documents from the captured Iraqi archives show that Saddam had put out an APB for Zarqawi and was trying to have him arrested as a danger to the Baath regime!
http://www.juancole.com/2006/03/saddam-was-trying-to-capture-zarqawi.html
The poodle won't come along on this one!!!
DUBAI: Britain has told the United States that it will not take part in any armed action against Iran’s nuclear sites, according to diplomatic sources in London. Already facing huge public criticism for his participation in the Iraq war, Prime Minister Tony Blair is seeking to distance himself from America’s belligerent rhetoric towards Iran.
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/mar2006-daily/18-03-2006/world/w3.htm
Socialist Worker says 100,000 people march in London against Blair’s, which sounds like an underestimate according to Lenin Tomb's, but certainly closer to the mark than the predictable police estimate of 15,000. And Lenin has real time pictures.
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 18, 2006 at 02:43 PM
get over yourself. Howard Dean as the Party Chair has done more for the Democratic Party than any other Chairman we have ever had. There are now folks WORKING in every state what with the new 50 State Strategy. He has done his job and is NOT a POLICY maker of the Party, he is a Fundraiser and Organizer. The politicians themselves make the rules and set the agenda. If you don't care for the direction of the Party then go to the DSCC and DLCC websites (where they actually make POLICY) and complain to them.
Howards made some mistakes, in my opinion, and has been called on the carpet for those things he actually has control over. Talk to Shillary Clinton if your issue is truly about policy setting.
First, you must understand the roles of each organization, which it appears you do not, before you come out complaining that they are not doing their job. As for your previous claims that you could do better, one would have to question that, as you obviously don't understand the roles of each group and what they can and cannot do.
PamB,
Nice post. It will be interesting to see in 10 and even 50 yrs from just how wrong Bush was. When know he is an idiot liar, but when the facts come our in yrs of detailed investigation, we will see just how much of a liar the Bush-Republican regime is.
I can't get over of funny it is that Bush is now "asking" Iran, his Axis of Evil, to help him stabilize Iraq. Nothing wrong with getting the IRaq's neighbors to tighten their borders, but he had no regard for that reality before going into Iraq and it seems dumb to call Iran names before you ask them to help you. Just a bunch of dumb cowboys leading us to nowhere.
Thanks for the backup, Burnsey! :))
But don't expect him to pay any attention, I have been telling him the same for 2 days, complete with links to where he should be going!
He doesn't know what he is talking about, and continues to look foolish! But we have had worse than him in the past!
Posted by PamB on March 18, 2006 at 05:11 PM
Well, if the complaints were leveled against the DSCC or the DLCC, then I would be right there screaming with him, but I know which Organization does what. I did not, however, know those things prior to 2000. Took me 30 years to figure it out:)
It will be interesting to see in 10 and even 50 yrs from just how wrong Bush was. When know he is an idiot liar, but when the facts come our in yrs of detailed investigation, we will see just how much of a liar the Bush-Republican regime is.
hey coolman,
Bush is hanging his legacy on this Invasion, and even now, the Folly of it all is coming to the surface, and even Republicans are seeing thru it all! Won't be any 10 years before we all march on that White House with our pitchforks!
Right now there are 2317 Dead, plus:
Cost of Iraq war could surpass $1 trillion
but I know which Organization does what. I did not, however, know those things prior to 2000. Took me 30 years to figure it out:)
took me a lot longer than that, Robert.
60srad
If you check Open Secrets.org, you will see that Perot continues to give the majority of his political contributions to Republicans! That tells you he is voting with his Wallet, too!
Posted by PamB on March 18, 2006 at 12:06 PM
Ross Perot was also Nixon's "bagman" who brought brown paper sacks full of cash through the backdoor of the White House for Nixon to buy off the Watergate burglers silence with.
For Jen, I enjoyed Big Blue ball.Did you hear this one.If You Tell A Lie. "On January 20th, 2001, George W. Bush, appointed President of the United States formally took office. I had been asked to sing a song that night at the Bazaar Café in San Francisco where Les, the proprietor was producing a counter-event called “The Night of the Burning Bush”. That afternoon, depressed and restless, I couldn’t make myself practice the song I intended to sing, Bob Dylan’s “Masters of War”. Instead, I sat down and turned on the TV. I had honestly forgotten that I would be subjected to live coverage of the inaugural parade. It was a bleak day in Washington, and I remember experiencing an overwhelming feeling of sadness and fear as I watched the Presidential limousine drive down Pennsylvania Avenue. I turned off the TV, sat down at the piano and wrote this song in about 25 minutes. I performed it for the first time that night. Last spring, I wrote an additional verse that addresses the war in Iraq and we recorded the new version of the song for this video".
— Monica Pasqual, Blame Sallyhttp://www.blamesally.com/video.html
You know, this Tha_rule charactor who keeps howling that Howard Dean needs to "do his job, and whip these Party members into line", should read this article from the New Yorker magazine. They don't listen to him, as a matter of fact, they told him to keep his big mouth shut.
Their mission may have been complicated earlier this year by Howard Dean’s victory in the race for the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee, although Dean, the most stridently antiwar of the major candidates in 2004, has promised to suppress the urge to comment on foreign policy.
Biden could find little to say about Dean, other than this: “No goddam chairman’s ever made a difference in the history of the Democratic Party.” His colleague Joseph Lieberman, who is perhaps the most conservative member of the Democratic caucus, said, “Dean was wrong on the war and what he was talking about was bad for the country. We’ll see what he does as chairman. If he devotes his energies to building a party at the base, as he talked about doing, good for him. If he continues to be a prominent spokesman on defense policy, I would regret it.”
Lieberman is a study in the dangers of steroidal muscularity, becoming an outlier in his own party. (He has edged to the right as his running mate in the 2000 election, Al Gore, has moved leftward.) His fate was sealed with a kiss, planted on his cheek by Bush, just after the President delivered his State of the Union address. “That may have been the last straw for some of the people in Connecticut, the blogger types,” Lieberman told me. But he is unapologetic about his defense of Bush’s Iraq policy, saying, “Bottom line, I think Bush has it right.” When I asked if he was becoming a neoconservative, Lieberman smiled and said, “No, but some of my best friends are neocons.”
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/index.ssf?050321fa_fact
Please tell me if I over reacted.
We were watching Anderson Cooper 360 (whatever that means) last night. One of the guests was the lawyer of this guy who is the plantiff in the men's version of Roe v Wade. I might just have to kill my husband; he agrees with this guy.
Because the woman's birth control method didn't work for some reason and she wouldn't put up the child up for adoption or get an abortion, he thinks he shouldn't have to pay child support?
So now a woman not only has to have a baby whether she wants it or not because the fundies say so, she also must be the sole support of that child if the guy doesn't want to share the financial burden (forget the time and effort involved in acutally parenting the said unwanted child)? Am I missing something here?
I say the guy is a jerk. He didn't take any responsibility for the birth control but wants the freedom to walk away from the whole mess. My husband says she probably wanted to have a kid and tricked him.
I think they both (my husband and this jerk) should either be castrated or abstain from ever having sex again until they grow up. The lawyer is definitely going to hell.
Am I missing something here?
Because the woman's birth control method didn't work for some reason and she wouldn't put up the child up for adoption or get an abortion, he thinks he shouldn't have to pay child support?
Sandy, The court/judge should look at this as, He participated in the ACT, thus he created this life, also. Thus he is responsible for the next 18 years on what his sperm produced !!
How many times have we seen the courts decide in favor of the father, when a woman has given up the kid to adoption, and they come in and take the kid away? They can't have it both ways.
Either they are a part owner of this baby or they are not. And if they are NOT, then do not come back later and think that ANY male has a right to a say in the child created by the sex act.
William,
from the New Yorker article:
Re: Biden.......
His advice to Kerry throughout the campaign—which, he complained, went unheeded much of the time—was to harden his message, to focus, as Bush was doing, on terrorism alone: to sound, in short, more like the President and less like a Democratic senator from Massachusetts.
Did you pick up a copy of Carville/Begala's new book yet? They, Too harped about how Kerry's campaign would NOT go tough enough nor critical of the President enough. Carville said he went to them and discussed it, and ended up crying! They would not go negative! this is why Kerry lost.
no you're not missing anything Sandy, I feel the same exact way you do.
GROUNDSWELL FOR IMPEACHMENT
Wednesday, March 08, 2006
Dave Lindorff
The prevailing "wisdom" of our corporate media is that impeachment of President Bush is a left-wing fantasy. As a result, there is virtually no coverage in the media of either the majority sentiment for removing Bush from office or even of the key issues that make this president a poster child for impeachment.
Take the several polls by Zogby International on the impeachment issue. Last June, Zogby polled Americans across the country and found that some 42 percent favored impeaching the president if it were found that he had lied about the threat posed by Iraq in order to justify an invasion. That is a higher percentage of people in favor of impeachment than there ever was for the impeachment of former president Bill Clinton during his entire impeachment ordeal. Yet the poll was barely mentioned by major media news organizations. In most urban centers it was blacked out completely
In November, Zogby repeated the poll. This time, 53 percent of respondents from all over the nation said they thought the president should be impeached and removed from office if he lied about the war. That poll too was almost totally blacked out.
A third poll early this year found 52 percent of Americans saying Bush should be removed from office if he broke the law and had the National Security Agency spy on American citizens without court warrants. Well, of course he did do that—the president has admitted he did so and says he will continue to do it--so the latest poll was really saying that 52 percent of Americans think he should be sent packing.
That poll too was largely ignored by the major corporate media.
Left-wing fantasy? Are we saying that the majority of Americans are left-wingers?
I don't think so.
But the media are not the only ones who are trying to dismiss popular sentiment for impeachment.
The leadership of the Democratic Party is doing the same thing.
While researching our book on impeachment (The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing George W. Bush from Office, St. Martin's Press, due out in late April), my co-author Barbara Olshanshky and I have found that members of Congress—even firebrands like Maxine Waters (D-CA) and Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)—have been strong-armed behind the scenes by the Democratic National Committee not to introduce an impeachment bill in the House. Rep. John Conyers, the ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, where such a bill would be considered, has submitted three bills that relate to impeachment—a proposal for a special committee to investigate possible impeachable crimes by the administration and bills to censure both the president and the vice president for refusing to answer questions from Congress on impeachment-related issues--but that's as far as the Democratic congressional leadership is willing to go.
As the Wall Streeet Journal reported in a March 6 article on the impeachment issue, Democratic Party leaders fear that party support for impeachment could lead to a backlash as happened to Republicans who supported Clinton's impeachment.
This is of course nonsense. The effort to impeach Clinton over his sexual escapades was always viewed by the majority of Americans, Democratic and Republican alike, as a farce and an embarrassment. As the Wall Street Journal notes, support for Clinton's impeachment never rose much above a quarter of the electorate--the hard right element of the Republican Party.
The issues that are driving popular sentiment for Bush's impeachment are much more serious:
a.. The conspiracy of lies that got the country into a war in Iraq that has already cost some $400 billion and that ultimately may end up costing over $2 trillion, and that has cost the lives of 2300 Americans and over 100,000 Iraqis.
b.. Obstruction of investigations into what the administration knew about the 9-11 attacks before they happened, and why nothing was done to prevent them.
c.. Undermining of basic Constitutional freedoms, from First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech, assembly, press and religion to Fourth Amendment guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure and Sixth Amendment rights to a fair trial, to the even more basic rights of citizenship.
d.. Abuses of power, including the blatant violation of the law in the case of the president's violation of the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act, the use of over 500 "signing statements" to simply ignore laws passed by Congress, and the ignoring of court orders, as well as the use of government power to attack individuals, as in the case of the outing of underecover CIA agent Valerie Plame in order to punish her whistle-blowing husband, ambassador Joe Wilson.
e.. Trampling of international law through the authorization of policies of torture of captives and the rounding up and deporting of law-abiding residents based solely upon their ethnicity and religion, all of which have made America a pariah in the international community and needlessly inflamed hatred of America across the Muslim world.
f.. A criminally negligent attitude towards governing that has brought us the disaster and needless death of hundreds of people in New Orleans, the fiasco of the Medicare drug "program" for seniors, and the chaos of post-war Iraq.
g.. A criminal know-nothing obstructionism with regard to the urgent crisis of global warming, which even the Pentagon has concluded threatens the national security of the United States far more than any rag-tag band of terrorists.
h.. A culture of corruption in Washington that makes earlier epic scandals like Teapot Dome look penny-ante, with over 60 Republican members of Congress (that's better than one in four!) linked to just one bribing lobbyist and with war-profiteering by Republican-linked corporations running rampant.
These are all issues that cry out for action, and for saturation coverage in the nation's media.
The polls showing majority support for impeachment make it clear that the public knows all this intuitively, even though people have to get their information from personal observation, from the Internet, or by reading between the lines, because the media are more focused on the Oscars and the latest dramatic murder or kidnapping, and even though the supposed opposition party, for the most part, is afraid of its own shadow.
The prevailing wisdom is that all such talk about impeachment is fantasy, and yet out in the country, some candidates are finding that calling for impeachment brings down the house.
If those candidacies catch fire, and pro-impeachment candidates backed by groups like ImpeachPAC start winning Democratic primaries in late spring, and if those candidates go on to win seats in Congress in November, I am predicting that their spineless colleagues will realize that the public wants action on all these issues, not just business as usual.
With the American public so on edge about so many issues, it might, in the end, not take that many radical upsets in November to create a whole new mood in Congress.
David Lindorff - 'This Can't Be Happening!'
Am I missing something here
Posted by SandyH on March 18, 2006 at 05:51 PM
well, not yet, but how long are you holding out? (he will be...)
Pam, the sooner they come up with a male bith control pill the better. Women are suppose to take all the responsibility whenever something happens unexpected...and then the rest of the world has the right to tell her how to do it?
Unlike the Iraqis, the Syrians and Iranians have large, well-trained, well-paid, well-motivated armies and will fight back it Bush decides to invade instead of bomb from afar. These are unified countries with strong nationalistic feelings unlike Iraqi or Afganistan.
I hope that our military leaders have taken more steps to insure that our troops have all the equipment they need before staging such an invasion. We are stretched too thin as it is.
Where is Bush going to get the manpower?
Posted by SandyH on March 18, 2006 at 01:46 PM
Junior is a cowardly snake. He told Iraq to "disarm", and after they did, then Junior attacked them. I don't think any other countries he wants to steal oil from will fall for the same "okeey-dok". As far as attacking an armed country vs an un-armed one, it's not going to be as easy for Junior the "next" time around and he can't even handle the one he's got right now. Even all Junior's neo-con supporters (like Bill Kristol, William F. Buckly ect.) are calling his Iraq war a failure. Ever notice how he "whines" like a little boy every time the failure in Iraq is brought up? He keeps whining, "We must complete the mission! We must complete the mission!". He can't complete the mission because he's too much of a moron.
fade, he had a vasectomy after our last child....at his father and brothers' urging. I probably couldn't hold out if I tried....it's the only thing that stops my hot flashes. Ha.
Let's get real about our rigged voting system
By Bev Conover Online Journal Editor & Publisher
With the American public so on edge about so many issues...
Posted by tylinCA on March 18, 2006 at 06:20 PM
tylinCA, I think the Beltway has no idea how true that statement is. All sorts of people from different walks of life are really concerned about so many things going on in this country and administration right now.
Everything seems to be out of control but the MSM acts like it's a game. It's a game a lot of people are sick of having to play.
Jen, I thought my husband was joking at first. He wasn't. You think you understand the men in our life sometimes and then they throw you a curve like this. I just told him the Gods are probably Hindu and he's coming back as a woman someday for believing that sort of BS. Made me feel better.
Where have all the flowers (Democrats)gone???? Frustrated, appalled, angered, disgusted, and embarrassed by a Republican administration and Republican controlled Congress totally out of control and out of touch with the average American, I am looking for STRONG national Democratic leaders - people willing to take the tough stands, willing to push back, willing to be a pit bull when confronted with pit bulls and willing to stay the course instead of collapsing to "political" pressures. Am I naive to believe that our Constitutional freedoms and rights are worth fighting back with those who would "prostitute" the core values and history of this country? Where and what is our cohesive message? Where are the standard bearers? If all we can do is ridicule the "ridiculous" without a plan for "shining the light", I fear for another 4 years of the same cesspool. Just the thoughts of a grandma who worries deeply about the world I am leaving to my children and grandchildren.
Sandy has suggested something: someone could organize republican women. doesn't sound like much fun, but you'll be doing an amazing service.
LYSISTRATA, the third and concluding play of Aristophanes' War and Peace series, was not produced till ten years later than its predecessor, the Peace, viz. in 411 B.C. It is now the twenty-first year of the War and there seems as little prospect of peace as ever. A desperate state of things demands a desperate remedy, and the Poet proceeds to suggest a burlesque solution of the difficulty.
The women of Athens, led by Lysistrata and supported by female delegates from the other states of Hellas, determine to take matters into their own hands and force the men to stop the War. They meet in solemn conclave, and Lysistrata expounds her scheme, the rigorous application to husbands and lovers of a self-denying ordinance--"we must refrain from the male altogether." Every wife and mistress is to refuse all sexual favours whatsoever, till the men have come to terms of peace
sexual politics
tha rule...you don't know jack
for someone new, you sure do have a lot of criticism
what i said before still stands.
Posted by Mcfro on March 18, 2006 at 06:44 PM
Read the agenda at the top of the page. Unplug the t.v. and stop listening to Rush.
There, all better. You sound like you have heard one too many ReThuglican talking points.
Good luck with the state of the world. We agree on that much.
Hi Sandy. Yes, people are frightened, I think. We're so dangerously close to a dictatorship and our world has become eerie and strange, even in the most mundane ways - for example, a phone call to customer service at any large utility has absolutely no relation to servicing consumers. The corporate world doesn't give a damn. They know we don't have a choice. A foretaste of the pure capitalism for which the Neocons yearn.
Selling our ports to Dubai? Oh, yeah. That was a great idea. And what will they attempt to sell off next? Our armed services? Isn't that what countries do when they can't draft soldiers? Just hire some - or outsource the job.
I tell, I'm scared to death of what might happen if we don't win enough seats in this 2006 election year.
Posted by Domingo on March 18, 2006 at 06:24 PM
Will, I read someplace today that Iran has 50% of the known natural gas in the world. I suppose that doesn't have something to do with all this.
Did the neocons get their pipeline through that other dictator's country over by Pakistan...I can't remember the name. I think the Russians were upset about us playing around in their former Republic's backyard.
I really don't see how we could pull off another land war in that area with so few troops and reliable equipment and with nothing settled in either Afganistan or Iraq. Any bombing of Iran is going to piss off the EU who has major plans for investment in Iran and wants to see a negotiated end to this statemate.
Poor Bush is going to be whining for another 2 1/2 years, because this mess isn't going to solve itself...and he's incapable of changing course. I still think Laura should slap him silly. It might unclog something in his head, so he can think straight.
Posted by bb on March 18, 2006 at 06:46 PM
that's the one, bb. if we don't stand up, we'll all be wearing burkas.
thank you
i'm out. anybody working on GOTV for the primaries? i haven't seen any news. we had early voting here, but no reports, yet. seems mighty quiet for the weekend before an election...but then, the primary dates are all different, aren't they?
i'll read {{{ya all}}} later--btw, billy the kid was troll, tha is troll...they're switching names out again...
only do that when it's obvious that their chimpdom is sinking fast
Deranged, Disconnected, and Dangerous
There was an article in the Washington Post ten days ago that was, in no uncertain terms, the most frightening and disturbing report I have seen in months. It wasn't about mass casualties in Iraq, or about a looming civil war there, or about terrorism, or the bursting budget, or spying on Americans. It was about a rug.
"Nothing says power like the Oval Office," begins the article. "The paintings of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. The bust of Dwight D. Eisenhower. The desk used by both Roosevelts. And then there's the rug. Don't forget the rug. President Bush never does. For whatever reason, Bush seems fixated on his rug. Virtually all visitors to the Oval Office find him regaling them about how it was chosen and what it represents. Turns out, he always says, the first decision any president makes is what carpet he wants in his office. As a take-charge leader, he then explains, he of course made a command decision - he delegated the decision to Laura Bush, who chose a yellow sunbeam design."
The article goes on to describe, in writhing detail, how George W. Bush inserts the Oval Office rug into virtually every conversation he has. If a discussion veers away into matters of import, Bush steers it back to the rug. "He loves his rug," said Nicolle Wallace, the White House communications director, in the Post article. "I've heard him describe it countless times."
The article, to be sure, was meant to be lighthearted. It left me, however, in a state of deep disturbance. All he can talk about is his rug? With everything that is going on these days, he wants to focus on the rug. Dead soldiers? Rug. Civil war? Rug. Complete and total failure? Complete and total rug.
The man is deranged, disconnected, dangerous. It appears, finally, that a significant portion of the country now sees this clearly. Only 33% of Americans, according to the latest Pew poll, approve of Mr. Bush and the job he is doing.
"I am looking for STRONG national Democratic leaders - people willing to take the tough stands..."
Stand
In the end you'll still be you
One that's done all the things you set out to do
Stand
There's a cross for you to bear
Things to go through if you're going anywhere
Stand
For the things you know are right
It s the truth that the truth makes them so uptight
Stand
All the things you want are real
You have you to complete and there is no deal
Stand. stand, stand
Stand. stand, stand
Stand
You've been sitting much too long
There's a permanent crease in your right and wrong
Stand
There's a midget standing tall
And the giant beside him about to fall
Stand. stand, stand
Stand. stand, stand
Stand
They will try to make you crawl
And they know what you're saying makes sense and all
Stand
Don't you know that you are free
Well at least in your mind if you want to be
Everybody
Stand, stand, stand
-Sly and the Family Stone
tylin, you are right. It isn't just what the government is doing at the bidding of corporate interests. It's a total disregard for the Bill of Rights by our legislative branch. They are suppose to be a check on the executive. Yet they keep on giving more and more of their power (and our rights) to the Presidency.
The fact that this President is so stupid makes it even more crazy. What are they drinking up there in the Beltway at those lobbyist lunches?
What are they drinking up there in the Beltway at those lobbyist lunches?
Unfortunately, not koolaid.
{{{Mary}}}
It is so good to see your familiar face back here! Always with good articles, too.
a little over 200 days till election. that will go by in a flash. We HAVE to take back seats!
Thank you tylinCA
fade2bluz - you don't know me and your comments reflected that - I spoke from my heart, I am not even aware of "ReThuglican talking points"
I guess this is not the website I thought it was - I am not interested in playing word games or head games, so I will bow out graciously.
Thank you tylinCA
fade2bluz - you don't know me and your comments reflected that - I spoke from my heart, I am not even aware of "ReThuglican talking points"
I guess this is not the website I thought it was - I am not interested in playing word games or head games, so I will bow out graciously.
Anti-War Protesters Rally Around the World
Kudos to all those dedicated brave souls!
bbl
We need a rug doctor. Or maybe we could all chip in and buy him a vacuum cleaner, so he has something else to do but start wars...and maybe he could clean out the space between his ears ocassionally.
It's amazing that with almost 300 million citizens this is the best this country could come up with for a leader. I wonder if he plays marbles with his marbles on that rug?
I have to get dinner started. I was thinking maybe my husband might want to eat crow or have a bowl of hemlock? later.
Posted by tylinCA on March 18, 2006 at 07:03 PM
LMAO!! Good one tylinCA!
Mcfro,
first of all, welcome.
secondly, fade is usually a gracious understanding Dem, it is just that we have had a large number of Posters in here recently, who just want to come in to complain about the Dems.
We are here for discussing ways to combat the Dem's lack of what we think should be Positive actions, and for unity and for exchanging information on our various locations within the country.
Please join in and let us know what kind of things you have been active in, where you are located in the country, etc. Are you Red state or Blue? Are you working with any local candidates?
i'll be the boy in the corduroy pants,
you can be the girl at the high school dance.
evening,gregg,
You watching tournament today? Who you rooting for?
Posted 3/18/2006 2:56 PM Updated 3/18/2006 7:34 PM
Libby trial may be embarrassment for Bush
WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide are signaling they may delve deeply at his criminal trial into infighting among the White House, the CIA and the State Department over pre-Iraq war intelligence failures.
In a prelude to a possible defense, the lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby also are suggesting that the State Department — not Libby — may be to blame for leaking the identity of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame to the media.
Court papers filed late Friday raise the possibility a trial could become politically embarrassing for the Bush administration by focusing on the debate about whether the White House manipulated intelligence to justify the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
The defense team stated that in June and July 2003, Plame's CIA status was at most a peripheral issue to "the finger-pointing that went on within the executive branch about who was to blame" for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
pam, i watched syracuse go down thursday nite. i didn't watch yet today as i was in nyc but i of course will be for conneticut. do they play tonite? i see tennessee lost in an upset.
I LOVE it, gregg. but then, what HASN"T been an embarassment for this White House!!??
Yet between the media and public apathy, they get away with it over and over !
several upsets been going on gregg. UCONN played last night, won and will play tomorrow against Kentucky at 2:30. ALMOST got upset by Albany, the #16 cede.
My ladies play first game at 9:30 tomorrow .
Exciting Illinois vs Washington right now at last 9 seconds.
BC won today.
it was darned close, bob,
That was a good game! Washington will now face winner of the UCONN/KY game tomorrow.
don't let cyn convince you to cheer for UNC, gregg, No matter what she promises you! :))
{{{{DEWEY}}}}
Hot damn. I was just gonna log out, but so happy to see you back with your old friends!!!
Long day at work today but wanted to stop by and say hello....I'll probably take a break and rant about a couple of things on my mind tomorrow...(if I can remember how)
Post A comment voting for Friday's absolute worst political moment here.
One is the most absurd and groundless "conservative" political conspiracy theory ever promoted, and the other is the worst and most wilting and pathetic defense for a Iraq troop proposal ever presented on national television by a congressman.
PROGRESSIVE VALUES
gregg, I are, I are.....quite a beast to navigate through wooded areas but it is rather nice to "camp" in.
I didn't realize the 'furries' weren't with ya, buddy. Glad you will have them back.
anybody notice how many ads the Army and military have on this NCAA tournament????? Your tax dollars paying for recruitment into this Invasion into Hell!! They really think they are going to scare up a few nuts to recruit???
I left them in VA for the past three days while getting settled in and working some pretty long hours. They have to learn to live without perpetual ingress and egress at this point in their lives and that won't be easy but we all have to adjust......
Say, does the fact that the drinking water issue is KBR let halliburton off the hook yet again? They were (are) a subsidiary, right?
KBR is a subsid, yes. But I hadn't heard of any water situation. (not that I am surprised that there is one)
I hear the TV, remote and bed all calling! I think I'll answer.
goodnight all..........
How to tell lies made easy, Republican politics 101.
Bush Using Straw-Man Arguments in Speeches
WASHINGTON - "Some look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude that the war is lost and not worth another dime or another day," President Bush said recently.
Another time he said, "Some say that if you're Muslim you can't be free."
"There are some really decent people," the president said earlier this year, "who believe that the federal government ought to be the decider of health care ... for all people."
Of course, hardly anyone in mainstream political debate has made such assertions.
When the president starts a sentence with "some say" or offers up what "some in Washington" believe, as he is doing more often these days, a rhetorical retort almost assuredly follows.
The device usually is code for Democrats or other White House opponents. In describing what they advocate, Bush often omits an important nuance or substitutes an extreme stance that bears little resemblance to their actual position.
He typically then says he "strongly disagrees" — conveniently knocking down a straw man of his own making.
more at...Yahoo News
Seems as though "someone" buried a report about safe water for the troops not really being safe water.
I'll get the particulars tomorrow.....
gnite
"There are some really un-decent people, who believe that the federal government ought to be the decider of war... for all people."
This is what you're looking for.
Halliburton serves contaminated water to troops
Outrage overflowed on Capitol Hill this summer when members of Congress learned that Halliburton's dining halls in Iraq had repeatedly served spoiled food to unsuspecting troops. "This happened quite a bit," testified Rory Mayberry, a former food manager with Halliburton's KBR subsidiary.
But the outrage apparently doesn't end with spoiled food. Former KBR employees and water quality specialists, Ben Carter and Ken May, told HalliburtonWatch that KBR knowingly exposes troops and civilians to contaminated water from Iraq's Euphrates River. One internal KBR email provided to HalliburtonWatch says that, for "possibly a year," the level of contamination at one camp was two times the normal level for untreated water.
"I discovered the water being delivered from the Euphrates for the military was not being treated properly and thousands were being exposed daily to numerous pathogenic organisms," Carter informed HalliburtonWatch.
Carter worked at Camp Ar Ramadi, located 70 miles west of Baghdad in the notoriously violent Sunni Triangle, but he says water contamination problems exist throughout Iraq's military camps.
nite, Dewey.
Hey william, I stored that article under my "framing ' ones. If this administration did not have a shitload of dirty tricks, they would never have gotten anywhere. just more distortions to try and fool the people!
I am heading out now, too. Too many games on TV to keep track of.
Have a good evening, all.
don't let cyn convince you to cheer for UNC, gregg, No matter what she promises you! :))
Posted by PamB on March 18, 2006 at 08:00 PM
STELLA! SSSTTEELLAAA? (I mean Gregg). DON'T LISTEN TO HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I mean Pam).
Really, gregg, next thing you know, she will be telling you to cheer for the Red Sox. I mean, really, Connecticut (or however the hell one spells it) is not NEW YAWK (Ask Fade, 'cause she would tell ya)
Gregg, have you seen that Sally/Steve/SleezeBag poster around here? That's because of Pam and UConn!
So, gregg, it follows. NY Rocks, we are NY'ers, Yankees Rule, Tar Heels trump UConn. You get it, right? It's only logical.
PPAAAMM! I love you, ya little sneak!
The Bush-Cheney criminal "cabal" will do anything to prevent people from stoping them from getting their hands on the money, by hook, or by crook.
Leahy Anti-War Profiteering Bill
Targets Cheats Who Defraud Taxpayers And Troops
…Bill Would Make It A Crime To Exploit Taxpayer-Funded
War Reconstruction And Disaster Relief Efforts
WASHINGTON (Thursday, March 2) – Senator Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., Thursday joined in introducing a reform bill that would make it a crime to overcharge the government for goods and services in military contracts and other publicly funded relief efforts while intending to excessively profit.
Leahy, a senior member of the Appropriations Committee and its Defense and Foreign Operations Subcommittees, offered the bill as news reports continue to reveal sizable abuses in military contracts awarded by the Bush Administration in connection with the reconstruction efforts in Iraq. News reports earlier this week revealed that the Army has quietly awarded a Halliburton Co. subsidiary, Kellogg, Brown & Root, more than $250 million in reimbursements, profits and bonuses that government auditors had concluded were unreasonable and unsupported, said Leahy, who is also the ranking Democratic member on the Judiciary Committee.
“Recent examples of contract fraud and abuse involving Halliburton make clear that the Bush-Cheney Administration’s approach to reconstruction in Iraq has been a formula for mischief,” said Leahy. “Waste, fraud and abuse in the name of defense is doubly destructive and doubly offensive, and it should never be tolerated. It saps resources needed by our troops and it plays the taxpayers for fools, all the while hiding under the cover of national defense.”
The bill is similar to legislation Leahy introduced in 2003, that was subsequently passed by the Senate as part of an appropriations bill but later torpedoed by the White House and the House Republican leadership, which stripped out the Leahy provision.
more at...
Personally, I do not agreement with the move to censure the President. The Democrats need to stop trying to persecute Bush and let the American people be the judge. He does not need our help, he is shooting himself in the foot. The Bush bashing that we have been leading for the past 6 years must end. Now that the President has lost all credibility we need to focus on what we can do to improve the situations he has messed. Again stop badgering the President. When we do that we make him look like an underdog that people want to root for.
So complaining about crimes in the White House is "Bush bashing" is it? And we should all keep our damn mouths shut you say?
Hello all.
"In this nuclear age, a first-strike policy is a potential threat to all humankind. It is like playing with matches in a dynamite shed."
The London Free Press
Bush doctrine full of perils
OK Ingram, you play nice; W's drowning, i'm gonna throw him an anvil.
Fun March Maddness Commercial Brake game: The Repug Desperation Meter!!!!
just click over to Fox and count the seconds before the name "Hillary Clinton" is mentioned. last three times the average was 8.3 seconds.
I certainly agree with your premise, Ingram. Democrats must always proceed in a sensible manner and not engage in some seemingly marginal, moral victory, or even "fringe" appeal efforts and prove themselves to be a party able to govern the nation once again.
Yesterday, on HANNITY & COLMES, my own Congressman, Earl Blumenauer presented absolutely the very worst defense for his proposal to withdrawal troops from Iraq that I've seen in my lifetime. He was absolutely unable to defend his proposal and resorted to screaming like a little child on the airwaves.
The Bush Administration is able to "cherry pick" a few facts here and there and act so sure of absolutely wrong proposals while Earl Blumenauer offered a major foreign policy proposal that he was completely unknowledgable enough to even defend. Many senators such as Joe Biden are far more experienced on foreign policy matters, yet when some congressman simply not up to effort puts up some poorly reasoned proposal they only hurt Democratic efforts.
The Bush White House certainly hurts themself with every falsehood about Iraq in the face of the stark truth and strains their credibility further and further with the public. The Democrats need to avoid issues that tag them as also with a serious credibility problem, some like Earl Blumenauer should be wise enough to just stay away from public cameras if he doesn't even know what he's talking about or proposing.
When both parties seem terrible in the minds of the voters, then a choice of a "lesser of two evils" is not used, millions of American voters simply refuse to vote for anyone. Democrats could use some of these disaffected voters and should avoid any efforts to further disenchant them.
PROGRESSIVE VALUES
Posted by fade2bluz on March 18, 2006 at 06:53 PM
You know I'm living it. Only 44 days until our Primary...having anxieties...
I didn't get my "work" done today, with the exception of mailing invites...house work is stalled. I ended up with a medical issue instead. Not fun going to the ER.
That's what they make medicine for, Benny. I'm taking it easy right now. I was going past full steam...I was bound to go out of control & crash at some point. Better now than in April. Crunch time on the campaign & work trail.
Weekends are nice on the blog, with the exception of the long ass threads.
I do see one positive trend for Democrats in the coming elections. State Republican organizations are having some real difficulty putting up credible candidates in some states such as Florida where the awful Katherine Harris should be an easy to beat adversary, and in NY all three major Republicans challenging Hillary Clinton have some real weaknesses including a real lack of knowledge, failure to vote in most elections or an out of the mainstream political philosophy. In PA, Rick Santorum should be his own worse opponent.
PROGRESSIVE VALUES
Again stop badgering the President. When we do that we make him look like an underdog that people want to root for.
Posted by Ingram on March 18, 2006 at 08:42 PM
haha, ok, this caused a snicker.
I'll quit slamming GWBush when he starts being the President of the United States. He needs to get his "act" together and do something for the good of the nation. Damn congress & senate need to as well.
Posted by tylinCA on March 18, 2006 at 06:20 PM
Good post, very informative and reasonable. I know that many Republicans, those closest to the center, get really uncomfortable when the issue of impeachment is raised and then you remind them that Clinton lied about a blow job.
Of course some of them say "but we are at war", as a reason to give Bush some slack. However, since the war thing is looking like his first lie, and an endless mess, its seems like all the more reason to throw the SOB out of office.
Posted by bb on March 18, 2006 at 09:05 PM
I'm not afraid of much, but I cringe when I think about turning to fox news.
with the exception of the long ass threads.
Ridiculous Butters isn't it?? I just don't understand it. I may have to fly down to DC and talk to Tim. LOL (I doubt he would even see me)
Maybe we could send Dewey!
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 09:50 PM
She always has great posts, so does SandyH.
Now, the DNC does have to listen to us, as do our leaders. So, write all the democrats and even republicans, and let them know you are mad and you think Russ Feingold's initiative is going in the right direction. Give us answers. Dean should hear the anger we feel, and he needs to keep us happy.
Posted by coolman on March 18, 2006 at 03:54 PM
Coolman,
I have written and called most (if not all of the Democratic Senators, and voiced my opinion in disgust for their reprehensible actions. However, I am more dismayed by the lack of purpose or vision here...
But from what I have learned, DEAN is nothing more than a salvation army colecftor with a bell that goes from state to state to try and get money...
I know about the others, and now all my hopes rest with GORE and FEINGOLD...If there is any other candidate, I will just vote INDEPENDENT or stay home...
I just REFUSE to support WIMPS dude, and supporting an IDIOT like BUSH is just plane suicide...
Now for Sally...
You are a peach...
To jump on a site and rant off unproven and unprincipled diatribes against people who are discriminated against for thei life choices is just plain sick!
It shows the limited mentality of a party that looks to blame others for their mistakkes in judgement...But let's examine DUMBYA for a minute...
He honors Rosa parks and then DISRESPECTS her legacy with Alito...
He causes a war and then DESECRATES the temple og Ghandi by sending dogs into it...
He cannot go ANYWHERE without an army of protection, because the ENTIRE WORLD HATES jim...
But then again, stupid is as stupid does...
What the hell am I thinking, if he is President with a C average, then I know you cannot be above 1.3 or 1.4 GPA...so I'll make it simple...
BUSH LIED, and KILLED PEOPLE! So to be a Christian he broke the commandment and therefore has disavowed himself from the ethics of the book he claims guides him...
It's called a double-dirty...Get used to it!
Benny,
I do hate to complain, but I'm using not feeling well as an excuse to. ;]
Get him, Dewey!
That was a great picture of you & Robert.
Posted by Tha_Rule on March 18, 2006 at 09:52 PM
Please, don't stay home. VOTE! There has to be some local candidate or issue that needs your support. Don't throw away your right...we'll lose them soon enough!
Get him, Dewey!
WAKE UP DEWEY!! WE HAVE A JOB FOR YOU!!
oh thanks re: the pix...I was so tired the day I saw Robert...but we had fun.
FOR BURNSEY (thanks to Cyn)
Bleu, i hope you're well, and soon.
Wish the thread wasn't so long, too. Glad i decided to take a peek in here, before heading out. Take good care of you, please. We need your vision. Wanted to let you know that i voted with the optical scanner machine, new ones...and they print a copy of the ballot. It was harder to use than the one we had last time, you use a little wand...and it sometimes took a few pokes before it registered. HAVA more fun every year the reThugs are in control of the "reform"...
glad i caught you ...bbl
Posted by fade2bluz on March 18, 2006 at 10:11 PM
Bluzy! We went here:
Open Thread resumes HERE
Posted by xdebx on March 18, 2006 at 10:04 PM
I started reading up on Iran last year when the criminals in the white house started talking about attacking them. I was wondering what the real reason was that they were pushing this one. Not too much can be found in the mainstream propaganda press in the US, but the rest of the world is very aware of the Iranian Oil Bourse that is due to open March 20. My friends and I have been watching fascinated while the white house ramps up its misinformation machine about how dangerous Iran is, and how they are trying to get a nuclear weapon (all intelligence experts put a target date of 10 years at the least for the develpment of these weapons, but no matter, they are really scary RIGHT NOW! We must get them NOW. Here is a link that gives a detailed explanation of why the oil bourse is an important development, that could also be disastrous. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11613.htm here is a quote from the article
"The Iranian government has finally developed the ultimate "nuclear" weapon that can swiftly destroy the financial system underpinning the American Empire. That weapon is the Iranian Oil Bourse slated to open in March 2006. It will be based on a euro-oil-trading mechanism that naturally implies payment for oil in Euro. In economic terms, this represents a much greater threat to the hegemony of the dollar than Saddam's, because it will allow anyone willing either to buy or to sell oil for Euro to transact on the exchange, thus circumventing the U.S. dollar altogether. If so, then it is likely that almost everyone will eagerly adopt this euro oil system:"
Oh, by the way, hello PamB! I see there are still a few people here from the old days.. even Sally???? You mean they are still playing Sally the troll? Sure sounds like it to me! How many Repugs do you think they have playing Sally these days? It used to be three different people, on different shifts.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Governor Howard Dean, M.D. was voted in, is in charge and does run the Democratic Party.
Senator Harry Reid handles the minority Democrats in the Senate and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi handles the minority Democrats in the House of Representatives.
There are not enough Democrats in the House or the Senate to keep anything from passing if the Republicans do not want whatever it is to pass, but if Governor Dean can get the voting honest, there will be a remarkable change come November.
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CNN Headline News finally mentioned the masses of people marching against the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY'S War in Iraq. Of course CNN didn't enlighten the people about the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, but it is the RIGHT-WING and the DLC's project and this project is the only reason the United States attacked Iraq. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, the DLC and the Bush Team's PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY is really something red blooded Americans should investigate. Following is the link for those who want to learn more about why the United States is really killing all the Iraqi people and destroying Iraq, why Milosovic was brought down, and much, much more. It is really worth ones time to delve into the why of what is actually happening:
http://www.newamericancentury.org
The media is keeping a pretty tight grip on the news the people need to know; but anyone wanting to know what is really going on in this country and the world can find out by investigating thoroughly the FREE SPEECH website at the following link:
Also, this World Link site is another great site to investigate for democracy's sake. It covers many, many things democratic, like the outsourcing of jobs, etc., very educational:
It is good to find out what is really going on in the real NEWS as opposed to only what the FAR RIGHT and the DLC want the people to think.
PamB and Domingo,
I knew there was something about the guy that didn't sit right with me (besides the fact that he's a libertarian, which is an oppressive right-wing perversion sharing the same root word as liberalism, but with few or no reponsibilities toward others). Of course, as it turned out, Clinton may have stepped to the right of Perot on a number of issues, such as NAFTA, but that's hardly the expectation most of us had when we voted for him, especially with all the right-wing propaganda casting him as a "liberal."
I guess to the reactionary lunatics in charge of the Republican Party and its think tanks and smear machines, even Perot looks like a liberal—hell, even Nixon and Goldwater look like liberals!
The media is keeping a pretty tight grip on the news the people need to know;posted by Martha on March 18, 2006 at 11:55 PM I agree, "The difference between CNN and CNN International, two different networks owned by the same company. And they talked about the difference on that day,three years ago, the day that the statue was pulled down. On CNN, all day we watched that statue pull down and went back up and pulled down again"
AMY GOODMAN: '"On CNN International they also showed the statue pulled down but it was a split screen and on half the screen they showed the casualties of war and on the other half they showed the statue pull down. Now I'm not talking about the difference between CNN and Al Jazeera. I'm talking about the difference between CNN and CNN International. It means that that company knows exactly what it's doing. What they provide for domestic consumption and what they provide to the rest of the world. Now think about what the rest of the world sees and what we see here in the United States".INDEPENDENT MEDIA IN A TIME OF WAR: Running Time: 29:00
Download realplayer: Real Media Player
Watch video online: Dial-Up | Broadband http://www.democracynow.org/static/IMIATOW.shtml
> We need Air America TV.
Excellent idea. At the very least, we need stations with broadcasting power carrying their programming. When I live on Long Island, I got WLIB most of the time, but not very great reception. Now, the closest station is WWRC (Progressive Talk 1260 in DC), and at night, I get nothing but static and interference from distant high-power stations. There was a time when a measly 5000 watts was a lot, but now, even 50,000 watts isn't much to write home about.
> The difference between CNN and CNN International ...
Your SCLM (so-called "liberal" media) at work. The only truly liberal broadcasting of any kind I had heard, at least prior to progressive talk radio, was a feature called CounterSpin, whose archives appear on fair.org (F.A.I.R., or Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting).
We won't get Air America TV. We are lucky we have C-Span and PBS. We won't even hear any anti war songs.. The media is part of the Corporate and Military GWB Administration. They took BBC World News channel off of our cable,and you couldn't get that without the highest tier premium cable. Do you think It's in GWB's best interest to keep us uninformed?
Thank you 60srad,I love that site.. http://www.fair.org/index.php
Call me "troll"
We do need CNN International, Al Gazeer, and every other network available!
More info, more answers!
I thought you might enjoy this from a guy hated by some bloggers on this board.
Alfonse Dubya Bush
Feingold called Dems to task and they failed miserably. No vision. No leadership. No intellecutal base. Here we have the worst President in US history and all the Dems can muster is a few meaningless press conferences and a fractured stew of candidates for 2006.
One, God save us from the neocons. Two, God save us from weenies who have become the Democratic Party.
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