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This guy has got to be one of the least qualified gubernatorial candidates *ever*.
Thanks Josh!
And congrats to Jen at Donkey O.D. for hitting 100,000 views. All her hard work shows.
We have an appreciation post up for Jen.
DEMOCRATS TAKE BACK THE HOUSE AND SENATE IN NOVEMBER!!!
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS TO FOLLOW!!
Repost from end of last thread and thanks to Jen for the heads up
AND, HELLO DAWN!!!!!!!!!!
OK, sorry for the length of this post (Tim/Josh, get the new threads going), but this is ridiculous!!
Fox News anchor/pundit Tony Snow has been named the new White House Press Secretary. Snow has been a rather outspoken critic of the president -a trait that is likely to disappear soon as he takes his new job. Our columnist, Bill Steigerwald, recently did an interview with Snow, before Snow was approached about the Press Secretary job; the interview suddenly makes much more interesting reading.
TALKING TO TONY SNOW
Pundit and commentator Tony Snow hasn't been the host of "Fox News Sunday" since 2003. But the former director of speechwriting for the first President Bush is keeping busy hosting "The Tony Snow Show," his 9 a.m.-to-noon morning talk show on Fox News Radio, and "Weekend Live With Tony Snow" on the Fox News Channel. (Snow was recently chosen to be the new White House Press Secretary.)
Q: First, how is your health?
A: My health is doing great. I had surgery in February to remove the colon. I had chemotherapy from April through September. I had a follow-up operation to finish everything off. The good news for me is that I'm done with surgery. I'm done with chemotherapy. The CAT-scans have come back completely clean. The blood tests are encouraging. But as anybody who's had cancer knows, what you do is you keep doing your CAT scans. I'll do that every three months just to make sure we're still on track.
Q: A few years ago when I talked to you, you called yourself more libertarian than Republican. Is that still true?
A: Yeah, I think so. I learned a long time ago that if you sit around and pledge your fealty to politicians, you're going to get burnt. So what I like to do is maintain my independence. I'm clearly conservative. But this week I've been bashing conservatives on various forms of corruption, including spending money on stuff that's completely idiotic, like, oh, the fact that they are now going to have subsidies for people to have digital signals on their TVs. It's unbelievable. They are actually setting up a subsidy for people who still have analog televisions as of 2009 or something. They'll give them $40 or $60 per TV to digitize them. Give me a break!
Q: You recently wrote that Republicans are cowards because they have forsaken their core beliefs and betrayed the Republican Revolution of 1994. How so?
A: What happened is when Republicans came in in 1994, what did they say? They said we're going to make government smaller and we're going to make it more responsive. Instead, what has happened -- and it's typical, it's natural, it's something that happens all the time -- is that they decided, "You know what, I'd rather just stay in office." So they decided to worship incumbency rather than principle. Well, what happens over time is that you end up with a government that spends like crazy on stuff that is not of vital national importance. You find members of Congress suddenly fudging on things that they had promised to do. And over time, what happens is that they lose their credibility with voters. It's exactly the same thing that happened to Democrats in the run-up to the 1994 congressional elections.
Q: Is there anything that President Bush has done that you are completely jazzed about -- happy about?
A: Completely jazzed about? I get jazzed when my son brings home a report card full of A's. I don't get jazzed when presidents do their jobs, so the answer would be "no."
Q: What's the worst or most egregious mistake the president has made?
A: The lack of spending discipline on the part of Republicans has been disappointing and frankly so has George W. Bush's inability to understand the importance of using a veto. Washington is like a dog pound. You have to have an alpha male. You've got a scent, mark your territory -- and the way you do that is using the veto. I know the war is important, but being the lead dog in Washington is also important and I don't think the president has quite figured that out yet and I don't think the people closest to him have either.
Q: What gives you the slightest hope that conservatives will return to their core principles -- and is there anyone you think might make that happen?
A: Oh yeah. Actually, I think voters are making it happen. If you take a look at what's going on on Capitol Hill, I think Republicans were stunned when voters started calling them and really going crazy when they were going to spend a quarter of a billion dollars on a "Bridge to Nowhere" in Alaska. In that transportation bill they had more than 6,000 local pork-barrel projects. Mark Pence of Indiana, a former radio talk show host himself, has been one of the guys who has really been out there raising hell about the abandonment of principles. I think you're seeing clustering around Mark and some other young Republicans -- something that reminds me a great deal of Newt Gingrich and something they called the Conservative Opportunity Society in the late '70s and early '80s, where they were getting together and talking about big ideas and core principles. I think the Republicans are realizing that to be principled and visionary in the long run is good politics. Doing the pork-barrel stuff might get you re-elected once or twice -- you do that. But you do that at the expense of the soul of a party. In the long run, it's the ideas, it's the great figures, it's the inspirational figures who define a political party and shape in people's mind an image of what that party is and what it stands for. If any political party is the party of payoffs, it's going to lose.
Q: What about the Democrats?
A: The Democrats have a problem right now, because they seem to be a "cut-and-run" party that is also being run by a handful of billionaires who are supplying all the money for them. (ok, my bold. WTF? Where are the billionaires? I thought they were all working for Halliburton or trying to get the gov't to do away with the estate tax?) That's not a winning proposition in the long run. Similarly, if Republicans are a bunch of deal-makers who are simply trying to hold on to political office, sooner or later somebody's going to say, "You know what? We can do better than that." Both political parties are on notice that they are really not doing very well with this visionary business, and whoever gets there first is going to win.
Q: Who'd you like to see win the Republican nomination in 2008?
A: I really don't know. I'm old school. I like to see how these people do when they have to go to horrid places like northern New Hampshire or when they have to brave the winters in Iowa to go around, hat in hand, begging for votes. There's something good about a primary process that makes you work hard and become humble. Those who have the stamina and desire and organizational ability those are the ones who make the cut as potential presidential timber. I really don't know. There are a lot of people who are thinking about running. We'll just have to wait to see who does well.
I hope all of you don't mind my rebuttle to "Y". I want to give him a change to prove how unamerican and unpatriotic he is by calling his president and the republican congress a bunch of liars.
Y,
You un-American unpatriotic fool, can you not be honest one time and review your own statement regarding the budget deficit; which indicate you called your president and the republican congress a bunch of liars by refuting the budget report from the CBO!!!!
Your support for enemies of United States by calling your president and the republican congress a bunch of liars is on record.
I just want you to confirm your own statement!!
For once can you be honest about your unpatriotic un-American tendency to call your president and the republican congress a bunch of liars!!!
Posted by HybridFuel on April 26, 2006 at 07:17 PM
{{{CYN}}} FINALLY! :-)
the news tonight has been over dosing on Tony Snow! Well except for Lou Dobbs of course. He's still stuck in his broken record on broken borders.
too bad GOD didn't just put a deep gorge between each country and state just the way we would draw them out billions of years after the earth's creation........ yea that would save a lot of money.
I am sooooooooooo sick of this border crapola. If Arizona is having trouble Arizona should deal with it. Same goes for Calif, NM or any other state that is having trouble. I don't get the sudden RUSH to fix something that no one thought was broken until 911 and even THOSE terrorists had LEGAL (supposedly) ID's and passports......... so NONE of that would have mattered would it? Ooo the border guards are a coming!! Yea watch out folks. We've armed and legalized a few racist bigots and they will no doubt take their shot at it.
dumb butt racists
Y,
I just want you to confirm you called the president of united states and the republican congress a bunch of liars!!
Where are you Y!
Hi everybody! I'll be a bit hit and miss tonight...good to "see" y'all.
Take the Nuclear Option Off of the Table This is a pdf file. It is a letter to the president written by some of the most distinguished physicists in the nation.
Dawn, do you love Asheville? How is your Mom?
I've missed your posts and wondered how you all are doing. Is your daughter coping with her Mom so far away?
Posted by HybridFuel on April 26, 2006 at 07:24 PM
Rebuttal is theraputic, but won't get thru Sally/Steve's (Yimminy Krickit's) lopsided brain.
Dawn, do you love Asheville?YES VERY MUCH How is your Mom?WELL thank YOU!
I've missed your posts and wondered how you all are doing. Is your daughter coping with her Mom so far away? she's coping better than I am, LOL
Posted by Cyn_NY on April 26, 2006 at 07:31 PM
Thanks Sweetie for caring ;-)
DEB - again I loved your pictures! thanks for sending them! E me when you know what time you'll be through Saturday and if you plan to drive back or what? Maybe we can find a way to hook up. I'd love to hear how it goes!
Top physicists discussing nuclear war is a non issue, but Tom Cruise shopping for baby clothes in Paris..wow...sure glad the media didn't let that one slip by;))
I know Cyn,
I am just trying to have a little fun after trapping the idiot in his own lie!
Hybridfuel, I would suggest rebutting the facts but not actually talking to the trolls. Don't waste your breath calling them what they are. :)
{{{Lizzy}}} thank you and {{{Barbi, Cyn, Dell}}}. You're very kind. I have to run an errand, bbl.
Thank All,
I think I've had too much fun for one day.
Have a nice evening.
Hi dems,
I don't think the Snow guy will last very long as spokesman. Having worked at Fox news, he must have used up a considerable number of his lies already. Considering how quickly Mc-what's-his-name's bag of lies ran out with this administration, Snow may only last a month.
Posted by xdebx on April 26, 2006 at 07:35 PM
blechhhhhh I'm sick of hearing about the SURI with the fringe on top too! That couch jumping fool TOM had one heck of a mid life crisis didn't he?
Had to go out and get him a child bride then quickly implant his alien dna into her nostrils (they do it that way I hear) and Voila! We have little alien cruise! wooHOO!
I feel especially sorry for Nicole's kids she adopted with Tom. They are apparently the last thing he cares about these days. SADLY!
cya Hybrid
bye {{jen}} congratulations on being well read! ;-)
I hope Karl Rove can be kept busy by the leak investigation. Ken Blackwell is *so* awful as a candidate, there is no way he should be able to beat Strickland.
Blackwell's Legal & Cultural Screw-ups: National TV This Weekend
Posted by Cyn_NY on April 26, 2006 at 07:41 PM
after while crocodile!! (teehee)
WHERE's DELLB? Fall Out good soldier!! :-)
Posted by Dawnie on April 26, 2006 at 07:28 PM
Dawnie, i don't understand your opinion on immigration. I agree that it's not something that just popped up, but don't you agree that illegals are contributing to the reduction of wages in certain job fields? That illegals are straining our resources in the education and medical areas.
I read a really good article on the Center for Immigration Studies website http://www.cis.org about just enforcing the laws on the books and that this way illegals would deport thru attrition. However, i do agree that the illegals that are here now, the ones with homes and families should have some sort of "pay to play" option....
To HybredFuel, I'm not 'y' (whoever he/she is) but let me make a point for you to digest. The fact is that the President lied. Not once, but several times. In fact, he continues to lie about certain subjects. It's no secret, it's not how one interperts his remarks, he just flat out lied. About the WMD in Iraq, about the cost of the Medicare Drug Program to name two. That is not unpatriotic, it's just a fact. Live with it.
I'm here, lurking. Just readin' drinkin' coffee, wishin' this mess would be over before Jan 2009. Boy I hope Nov brings us impeachment.
LOL, AaronM. Hybrid's a cool person. Earlier Hybrid presented some factoids to a "troll" and the "troll" called him a liar. The facts were from a government source, the GAO I think, so hybrid just wants to know if the "troll" is willing to call his Pretzeldunce and Congress a buncha liars, seeing as that's were Hybrid's facts had come from.
I should add, Hybrid knows that bUSH's nose is longer then the average elevator to space.
Posted by momoaizo on April 26, 2006 at 07:47 PM
actually - my opinion on this (as most know) has changed a LOT in the last year! The more I read the LESS I think it's as DIRE as they say.
We should protect our borders for sure but I'm less worried about the mexico border than I am even Canada. AND, I think there are a HUNDRED more important issues that W had screwed up since he's been in office.
I want the STATES to take some of that on themselves personally. We (taxpayers) are paying ENOUGH!!!
I go to the health dept and have for years. I RARELY see immigrants there (to be honest) Granted I've only been to the health depts of FLA, NC and WV. Those seeking help I've seen are not foreign but mostly YOUNG, ignorant and usually pregnant cuz of it! We need to EDUCATE OUR OWN people ........
I've become much more educated since coming and reading here. That's how I've changed. The more I read the MORE liberal I become. I didn't plan this. It just happened.
Even my death penalty stance has changed. Although I still think DNA is a great GREAT help with that now days. Very sad to think of all that were put to death before we had DNA as evidence.
It must be me but being blamed for something I did NOT do is probably the worse thing someone can do to me. I will call a spade a spade and if I'm wrong and someone debates me on it I usually admit it if I'm wrong. But someone dying for a lie would be the worse to me.
jmo and off the topic sorry
Posted by DeLLBerto on April 26, 2006 at 07:59 PM
how come everyone always says that? LOL
sillies - I'd not call for you than leave ever! How ru? And your adorable babies? and sweetheart wife?
It's not that immigration isn't an issue, but how about we prioritize all of the important issues in the country and see where it falls on the list. i'd say that nuking Iran belongs at the top, very quickly followed by the war in Iraq, of course the pugs sucking money out of our pockets to fill their own with little to show for it comes in at three for me.
Immigration would be around 10 or 15 in my book and why all of the sudden this urgency?
What is different from an oil company executive and our national politician? Oil companies CEO’s have bigger pick-pockets for their American civilians customers.
While they both enjoy Five Star Treats system one side receiving them for country club golf outings and the other side writing it off in triplicate, then claiming they need welfare for there research. Talk about being screwed from the gas coming out of both ends.
Posted by Dawnie on April 26, 2006 at 08:07 PM
I'm great, the fam's great, other then being at work. It's my wife's birthday today and I haven't seen her yet :(. How's your daughter and ma doing?
Bush's claims about his one successful venture with the Texas Rangers are well known. He used it to run for governor and featured it prominently in his 1999 campaign biography, in which he recounts how he was working on his father's 1988 presidential campaign when he had a call from Bill DeWitt, Jr., a Cincinnati businessman.
He leaves out the part about how four years earlier, DeWitt (a Yale and Harvard graduate like himself) bailed him out of his first business venture -- Arbusto (Spanish for "bush"), later renamed Bush Exploration. After going through millions, in 1984 the Arbusto/Bush Exploration operation had one asset left -- the unsuccessful son of the vice president of the United States.
Bill DeWitt merged Bush's company into specturm 7. With Bush serving as chairman and CEO, Spectrum 7 quickly failed. But another oil - exploration company, Harken Oil, was eager to have George W. Bush's name on its board. George Soros, a part owner of Harden, who was not active in the management of the company but was aware of its activities, later told Washington journalist David Corn, "We were buying political influence. That was it. [Bush] was not much of a businessman."
David Rubenstein, the cofounder and managing director of the Carlyle Group, a goup of top-level former Washington officials shared an account of Bush as a director.
In 2001, Rubenstein gave a public speech to the Los Angeles County Employees Retirement Association, not aware the event was being recorded.
He explained that in 1991 one of Bush's friends told him that Bush would like to be on the board of Carterair, an airline catering company just acquired by the Carlyle Group. So we put Bush on the board and he spent 3 years. Came to all the meetings, told a lot of jokes - not that many clean ones.
And after a while I kind of said to him, after about three years, you know, I'm not sure this is really for you. Maybe you should do something else. Because I don't think you're adding that much value to the board.
Posted by xdebx on April 26, 2006 at 08:07 PMj
I would put the rhetoric about IRAN as the first that needs to be shut down! It's not a problem except for the fact W has his finger on the trigger (ok its a problem, lol)
2nd would be tied with Iraq and the PORTS deal!!!!
(if it happens it will be there) just my opinion
3rd would be the gdm tax break to the top 2 percent of the greedy PUG nation! I want that BACK!!!
ALL the problems are THIS administrations doings.............. HE caused them all! He and his cronies! from Iraq to Katrina to Dubai to Iran and back again across ALL borders!
Democrats need to be running on this and start running on it now to head off an invasion of Iran and to benefit from high gas prices. A representative of Halliburton in Texas said this on last year (August 2005, Houston Chronicle):
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"I love these prices. The higher, the better,'' said Frank Gafke, of Galveston, a senior service leader for Halliburton on the Texas Gulf Coast.
Gafke said Halliburton's profits - and his savings account - had increased markedly since fuel prices began rising. He predicted that prices soon will reach $3 per gallon for automobile drivers, as well as for recreational boaters.
And, he said, relief at the pump probably won't come anytime soon.
"Oil just hit $66 per barrel and gas jumped up 6 cents,'' Gafke said.
"And if we take any action against Iran, that's only going to cause more price increases. But if you can afford the boat, it doesn't matter what gas costs.''
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Two things:
1) The connection of this to Bush and Cheney. Gafke works for HALLIBURTON (Cheney's company) in TEXAS (Bush's state).
2) "If we take any action against Iran, that's only going to cause more price increases"??? Well, there you have your opening to head off an invasion of Iran. Just say that the oil industry is hoping that we will.
Posted by momoaizo on April 26, 2006 at 08:10 PM
I don't think bUSH can offer anything to any board, except a dirty joke or too. In fact I believe his Presidency will be remembered as a dirty joke and not in the way of Bill Clinton's. His dirty joke(s) have cost low, middle and upper middle class Americans a lot of money, American lives lost daily to the Iraq War, New Orleans and credibility with not only our allies but pretty much every other nation on the planet. He's done a heckuva job.
How about the secrecy in this WH? And this India giveaway Bush is trying to push thru, he is trying to get congress to give up their congressional oversight!
Keep watching he may be able to convince them that thats what the voters want too....yeah...that's the ticket!!
Ooo Keith is on
be back soon
Dell we are all well thanks hon and HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY to your sweet wife! :-)
Peace everyone!
What do you have mixing oil with politicians? Gluttony, Washington style!.
You know, that would be a great campaign slogan for the repugs....We've Done A Hekckuva Job!
ST, the dems in office are speaking up (a little late, IMO)but the media isn't showing it. Media refuses to give dems a voice and it spins for all of the mistakes of pugs.
If we fix the media, we won't have any problems...because everyone will know and not just the people like us seeking out info on the net.
Restore the Fairness Doctrine, fill the loopholes, and add legislation for cable and new forms of technology.
One solution to the immigration problem would be to allow us to buy them as indentured servents. The government would get the money and we would pay $500 for a good worker and maybe up to $5000 for a babe (I haven't seen any of those). Then you would be required to feed them and keep them fairly warm in the winter and see to it that they learn to speak English without an accent. In return, they would have to do whatever work or other activities you have for them. And then after 10 years, if they have done what they are told and have stayed out of trouble you would let them go and they would be free to become citizens. What do you all think?
And this India giveaway
Posted by momoaizo on April 26, 2006 at 08:17 PM
We gave India away? When did that happen?? - YumpenYimminy!!
xdebx,
I know what the Dems are doing, and the corporate-owned media for the most part is showing them standing in front of gas pumps talking about gas prices.
What I posted just then was the "sealer." It was the final nail in the GOP coffin, if the Democrats are smart enough to use it. If they do like you and think they are doing "enough," then they will miss a great opportunity here.
For someone from Halliburton (Dick Cheney's company) in Texas (GWB's state) to come out and brag about these increasing gas prices talking about how much he and the energy companies love these high prices, and then to tell you directly that he, an oilman, hopes that we attack Iran because of oil (it will make prices go up) is more than the Democrats could have asked for. He didn't end there though, he went on to brag about the fact that he could afford it, and showed no sympathy for people who cannot, which is exactly how the GOP can be painted for supporting people like him.
If the Democrats don't use that quote to their advantage, they are morons.
Posted by strategic_thinker on April 26, 2006 at 08:36 PM
you are right thinker, have you tried emailing to some of them? just go to www.senate.gov or www.house.gov and you can do everyone. if you'd like, i'll help, we just copy and paste...whacha think?
El huevon Yumpen is a bigot and a racist. And that is all I am ever going to post referencing him.
Important issue, but with so *many* important issues these days, it's hard not to get overshadowed...
"Break bread somewhere else"...the politics of eminent domain. by floridagal
Posted by strategic_thinker on April 26, 2006 at 08:36 PM
The next election won't be about gas prices, it will be about queer marriage, abortion and terrorist rights.
YumpenYimminy,
If gas prices and health insurance keep going up, and wages keep dropping, social issues will lose their importance. After all, people won't be seeing "gay people" because they won't be able to afford cable or an electric bill, lol.
Either way, if gas keeps going up, not even gay marriage and abortion will be able to work for the Cons, but there's always Diebold and ES&S.
thinker,
i know i'll look uninformed for this, but what is DCCC?
I see that bug buzzing around your head Thinker, if you ignore it, it will go annoy someone else. However, if you need the practice, bugs don't have much of a brain, so have some pity for the devil....
momoaizo,
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
It's these idiot commodity speculators who set the price of oil. If they would stop bidding up the price everytime something happens in Venezuala or the middle east - we would be fine.
Posted by Renee_in_Ohio on April 26, 2006 at 08:42 PM Good link...thanks
ST, post the link or address. I scour the web for several dem candidates and send them info. The guys that I am working for don't have big pug think tanks to give them talking points, so I've volunteered to help.
ST Yumper is a self admitted gay basher...he tied up and beat a guy because he was gay, later he tried to justify that the guy was a pediaphile and not gay...but I know what i read. And I know that he's a pug liar because of the cover-up post. And he's a sicko. He's not worth your responses...I just scroll down to see who wrote the post and if it's him I skip reading it.
Know I posted this before, but very enlightening:
Note the source! Army Times !
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has come under fire in recent weeks from a variety of retired generals, who say he should resign for his performance in managing the war in Iraq. Do you think the U.S. war effort is grounds for Secretary Rumsfleld to resign?
Yes 64.52 % (2,322)
No 32.15 % (1,157)
Don't know / no opinion 3.33 % (120)
Total votes: 3599
Never said he was gay - never said he was a pedophile. I said he was a child molester because he wanted us to get him some 15 year old mollatos and he would get us some beer. When the beer arrived we slugged him and tied him to the chair.
For your info Pedophiles like pre pubescent children. 15 y.o is not pre pubescent. What difference does it make if he was queer or not, he was still a pervert.
personally, I think the Democrats are going to have way too much work to do fixing this country when they take back the majority to bother :
Impeaching Bush, State by State
It must drive you nuts that Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere and there is nothing you can do about it.
deb, this one is the committee for House members
this is the committee for Senators:
evening folks!
Another thing I think that should be high on our list is Darfur. People are dying at the rate of 500 a day. 400,000 have died so far. That's more than in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have a responsibility to help.
It must drive you nuts that Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere and there is nothing you can do about it
Quite the contrary, numb ones!
I WANT every single failure and disaster there reminding Republicans and Democrats right up to November 7th! Let him stay, PLEASE! Along with Cheney and his 20% approval, and the rest of them all.
xdebx,
I posted the only link available. It's the "google cache". The Houston Chronicle has taken the page down since it's almost a year old, so you can't go to the page, just the google search result.
I scour the web for several dem candidates and send them info. The guys that I am working for don't have big pug think tanks to give them talking points, so I've volunteered to help.
Posted by xdebx on April 26, 2006 at 08:53 PM
deb,
btw, you are on a good place to get links to info, but you should also go to, and sign up for daily subscriptions to:
www.buzzflash.com
www.truthout.org
www.informationclearinghouse.com
www.pwaw.org
and if you have the time, go to international news sites, where you see what is really happening in the world, and even in the US, that our media does not print.
www.bbc.co.uk
www.atimes.com
www.guardian.co.uk
www.scotsman.com
How can this be? I thought the Bush economy sucks.
Dow ends at 6-year high
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=businessNews&storyid=2006-04-26T220821Z_01_N21323349_RTRUKOC_0_US-MARKETS-STOCKS.xml
Well, well, well,...
...if it isn't humping chimpanzees,
"Ms. Goldberg can I have your autograph on this potatoe? My friend Clarence, the Viet Nam War Reject, is going to peel it for supper."
Yumper can bash whoever he/she pleases. I really don't get caught up those who likes who types of conversations, just the "these are the facts and this is what needs to be done about it" types of conversations.
Lots more to the economy than stock market, old man.
People's wages have not kept up with inflation and cost of goods ! Jobs have been downgraded. THAT is what people judge an economy by.
But then you wouldn't know about jobs and wages, would you?
So are we going to win this thing in November? Does anyone know the date of the vote?
heading out. When the smell gets this bad, that it can right over the net, well you know it is time to close.
blog ya tomorrow, good dems.
We have to gear up for the big win. Prepare ourselves mentally for victory. Assume the top post. So to say.
Well, very old woman who is senile, keep looking for gloom and doom in whatever news that's good for the country you can find.
I wonder if Diebold and the Karl Rove Machine have anything up their sleeves for the upcoming election? Hope the polls are far far apart.
heading out. When the smell gets this bad, that it can right over the net, well you know it is time to close.
blog ya tomorrow, good dems.
Posted by PamB on April 26, 2006 at 09:27 PM
Nope, that smell is not coming over the net - Better check your underpants.
YumpenYimminy,
Why? Because the Wall Street economy of the investor class is doing excellent under this corporatist President, as I have been saying for the past 3 years. It's the Main Street economy of working Americans that's in the tank.
Savings are in the red. Americans are refinancing their homes and getting into debt with credit cards. And you know what? Everytime they charge something on a credit card and fall into debt, some company's stock increase.
When a company cuts jobs and ships them overseas, their stock still goes up, although their workers are out of a job.
Gas prices go through the roof and Exxon-Mobil has record prices, and regular Americans have to sell old coins, antique watches, and prized family hand-me-downs just to afford gas.
Yeah, the stock market is a valid indicator of the economic conditions in the country. NOT!!!
yeah pamb, great list!
informationclearinghouse ends with .info i think
i like these too
tompaine.com
thinkprogress.org
juancole.com
progressive.org
americanprogress.org
mediamatters.org
alternet.org
i learned them all from you!
not going to let yahoo run me off, ignore the bore.
israel lobby nutjobs on the loose molly ivins
Tim,
It seems this blog of ideas has suddenly turned into a wall of meaningless grafitti. It was nice when it lasted. And in time it will come back.
nevertheless,
The work was long...
now the day is done,
as I retire...
to the set of sun.
Goodnight fair Democrats.
2 phone calls in a row...didn't mean to ignore. Thanks so much Pam and Jen, I didn't have many of those links, and thanks ST for the link to the "we LIKE high oil prices"
heard this on Lou Dobbs earlier, wondered if you caught this:
KITTY PILGRIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Bush administration hailed the deal as a major foreign policy victory. But many in Congress see it as a complete giveaway to India. The U.S. has agreed to provide assistance for India's civilian nuclear program without holding it to the same standards as other countries.
SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-CA), FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: India could make about six bombs a year. But once this deal goes into effect and they're able to buy all kinds of components for their weapons in the open market, which they can't do now, they'll be up to 50 bombs a year.
PILGRIM: By law, Congress has the power to block the deal. But the Bush administration wants to change the rules.
GARY MILHOLLIN, THE WISCONSIN PROJECT: What the administration is trying to do is, in effect, get rid of congressional oversight. Under the present rules, Congress has to affirmatively vote yes before an agreement for cooperation with India can go into effect. But the administration is afraid that they can't get that vote. So what they want to do is have the agreement go into effect automatically after 90 days.
PILGRIM: The march signing was only a joint statement of understanding. The Bush administration is trying to force Congress to give up its oversight.
HENRY SOKOLSKI, NPEC: All of those questions seem to be pushed aside by a mad rush to try to get to "yes" and get this thing off -- off the plate. I would hope that people who are concerned about selling our security quickly would say, we really owe it to ourselves to demand that Congress get this right. Right now, most Americans don't know much about this.
PILGRIM: India is anxious to have the deal done. Its reactors are expected to run out of fuel next year.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
PILGRIM: Now, even those opposed to the deal say India is valuable as an ally in the region. They just don't want to see that region become any more volatile than it already is with this deal, which appears to give away the farm -- Lou.
DOBBS: Well, let's -- first, the deal on its face, nearly every foreign policy expert, nearly every nuclear proliferation expert with whom we've talked, say this is idiotic, so let's just get that on the table. The second part, is this administration trying to avoid congressional oversight because it can't win approval?
PILGRIM: Yes, there's a certain amount of monkeying with the rules. They should have a simple majority "yes" or "no" in Congress. They are trying to move that to a two-third vote.
DOBBS: Who is?
PILGRIM: The Bush administration is.
DOBBS: And we have just about had a belly full of that kind of thing in Washington, haven't we?
PILGRIM: Many people were quite upset with this posture today.
DOBBS: Yes. Well, it's about time for people to just say, it's time to look at your thoughts.
What the administration is trying to do is, in effect, get rid of congressional oversight.
Did you catch that, get rid of congressional oversight. This bs about supreme presidency or whatever he and cheney and gonzales are trying to pull is frightening.
Geez what can the neocon team be thinking? They WANT WWIII?
Thanks momo...got the link?
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children....This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from an iron cross".
Dwight D. Eisenhower (R), 1953
love that one deb!
hi Cin!
“Until we go through it ourselves, until our people cower in the shelters of New York, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles and elsewhere while the buildings collapse overhead and burst into flames, and dead bodies hurtle about and, when it is over for the day or the night, emerge in the rubble to find some of their dear ones mangled, their homes gone, their hospitals, churches, schools demolished — only after that gruesome experience will we realize what we are inflicting on the people of Indochina...” : William Shirer
[or Iraq]
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"The civility of no race can be perfect whilst another race is degraded. It is a doctrine alike of the oldest and of the newest philosophy, that man is one, and that you cannot injure any member, without a sympathetic injury to all the members": Ralph Waldo Emerson. 1844
Jez i wonder which way the wind blows across the country from Nevada?
All that testing back in the 50's blew than dumped all kinds of toxic waste on the midwestern states and many cases of cancer and thyroid disease were the end result! My thyroid being one.
being in NC now - maybe the mountains will be some kind of buffer
I am very worried about this all of a sudden. I heard Randi talking about it on Lou's show the other night and Mike Malloy talking about it tonight.
He's right when he asks "how come we're not out in the streets yelling about this one?"
talk about a country of "walking (brain) dead"
oh I'm bak for a bit - DEB - that's crrrrrazy you were right in my back yard yesterday and I didn't know it. Next time we will definitely plan something. Salads and banter at Shoneys maybe?
I miss Will Schubert. He'd listen to Mike with me. We'd yell on the blog about it. LOL he also turned me on to Stephanie Miller.
dpd where ru?
Hey CIN, JEN, DEB, LINDA, and all lurkersssssssss!
hi dawnie - oh yes, I miss schube - you guys turned me on to Air America - now if I'm in the car and I don't have Air America on, I feel as if I'm cheating on it - except for the weekends, not great on the weekends I have to say
Yeah, the blog is slow tonight.
I'm about at that point where I can't absorb much more of what the administration is dishing out, myself. I saw "Independent Media In A Time Of War" with Amy Goodman yesterday and can't get the images of killed, maimed, crippled children out of my head, injured and killed by our bombs, btw.
The test bomb so we can attack Iran, the genocide in Darfur.
And tonight finding out that we are going to provide assistance to india's nuclear program without Congressional oversight.
If a future exists, it will be "where were you when life as we knew it was destroyed?"
But Cin...I'll be happy to say that I was blogging with you;))
Dawnie, i was hollering about it last night. I want to go out there and chain myself to the place.
i miss schubie too.
Cin :-)
Laura Flanders is on the weekends right? She's pretty tame. But doesn't the environmental guys have their show? The Kennedy boy? They can be ok. But I agree......... no one beats AL, Randi or Mike (and that's in reverse order for my love)
Steph I listen to mostly to laugh hysterically! Her team is a hoot! I am sad she lost her baby (saint bernard) the other day! sad.
Hi Dawnie,
sorry Deb, no link, just go to transcripts on cnn.com.
Posted by xdebx on April 26, 2006 at 10:26 PM
never fear we're all still HERE!!!! heheheh!
JEN- I wish you'd come visit me GF!! But if you did I think you'd be crushed from the huge ass hug I'd be giving you sista! I'm much closer now, please think about it?
Iraq Black Hole
War is messy, and putting a price tag on a war that stretches over years, with consequences lasting decades longer, is a staggering task. Yet in a democratic society whose citizens expect to know what they are paying for, someone has to do it. Linda Bilmes, lecturer in public policy, began the task of toting up the fiscal outlay on the Iraq war when students in her class at the Kennedy School of Government asked about its cost and Bilmes could not find any meaningful data. “I did this because I just wanted to know,” says Bilmes, a public-finance specialist who served as assistant secretary of commerce under President Clinton. “It is very distressing that nobody came up with a good estimate. How can you weigh the benefits against costs if you don’t know what the costs are?”
[Lawrence Lindsey estimated billions and the white house fired him for it]
deb - I feel the same way. It's too much. It can be overwhelming. Yet, we go on and some as if everything is ok .- except for their gas prices I want to scream sometimes. I keep waiting for the masses to wake up. What happened to people caring "outside of their own little box"? I fear that when the rest wake up, it will be too late. sigh - I'm glad to be blogging with u 2 - just figured out xdebx is deb! duh
Thanks momo:)
I'm guessing y'all are already watching Liberty news...but I don't remember seeing links, so in case...here it is!
Air America, is that a radio station? Anything like the NPR? Listen to that all day at work. In an office at a horse farm, by myself all day long, need to hear another human voice.....
I saw the honorable Jimmy Carter and Mia Angelou on Larry King tonight talking about that sweet (now dead) child poet Mattie Stepanek (sp) the one that was promoting PEACE!!!
It made me cry. Two such honorable and renown Americans were giving pause and tribute to a child! It was inspiring. His mother should give classes on "how to be a good parent" because she obviously did more than a FEW things right raising that child.
Good evening. Congrats, Jen, on 100,000 blog hits. I cannot even fathom that. But if anyone can do it, you can. You are THE SOURCE for liberal news, notes, and neato cartoons.
Even though I don't post everyday here, I read everyday and I enjoy reading all your posts. They are usually most eye-opening, some border on paranoia, some are shocking. It really is sad what bUSH has done to a great nation. I believe we can be great again, we just need better leadership.
dawnie - I didn't know about the doggy. I've only heard Mario Solich Marich (sp?) and some other guy, also a Preacher type guy. none of which I'm crazy about. I haven't heard Laura or the others you mentioned. Steph is on too early for me but sometimes I catch her. Mostly, she is funny
thx deb, forgot, we love crooksandliars.com too
momo air america is liberal talk radio! al franken, randi rhodes, mike malloy-- ya gotta listen, you can stream it online! airamericaradio.com
thom hartmann! janeane garafalo
Linda
I stream air america from my computer
AL Franken is on from noon to 3
Randi is 3-7
Mike comes on at 10pm
inbetween are janine garafalo, etc (sp)
momo - some of us nuts like Air America - you can stream it live from your computer. It's airamericaradio.com
momo - yes, I like to say we are all a little off our bean! I know I am.
yes Air America is the radio station. NPR? I've never listend to it. Couldn't say
I really love Ed Schultz, Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes. Those are the 3 I listen to the most.
Posted by Cin on April 26, 2006 at 10:39 PM'
Steph just came back from vacation........
HEY DELLB - I remember you LOVEEEEEEE Janeane!! (thanks for the correction Jen)
Dawnie, she hasn't been on lately :( At least when I've tuned in. I've been on a baseball game kick lately, so I haven't listened to anybody.
thx karen! 100k visitors is crazy. i give credit to the nytimes for making people pay for opeds ;)
momo...I *used* to be a horse person...don't have anything that needs fed and taken care of right now:))
(psst...whispering...don't tell...I've convinced my hubby that he is an awesome/creative chef, with true artistic talent)
Anyway, Momo...what kind of horses?
ok, I'm catching up, backwards. Schubert isn't gonna post anymore? What happened? Very sad :( He's so smaaaaaarrrrrrrt
Hey Karen
gez I feel I've blabbed too much in the last few days about my move but here goes again - lol
Moved up here Apr 1 (to NC) but it took 3 WEEKS to get hooked back up to the net, get phone svc and get cable TV.
If it were not so gorgeous here I'd have gone bonkers Im sure! Blabbing like a fool the last two days (I guess I'm catching up)
Talk City pals used to call me the power poster (a nice way of saying I talk too much) lmao.
what correction?
ed schulz is at http://www.bigeddieradio.com/
Posted by DeLLBerto on April 26, 2006 at 10:45 PM
all american boy - lol J was on earlier with sam sedar (she was pretty snarky)
Karen - I don't know about Schube - I just haven't seen him on line since I've been back nore before I left really.
Jen;
I am actually surprised that you had the courage to even put the link here.
Of course, there is an Israeli Lobby in the USA.
The problem is that it is the only Taboo left in this country.
I have never understood why whenever anyone points the obvious they are immediately accused of anti-Semitism.
Ah, I love NC - very pretty. Doesn't take you outta hurricane zone, but a bit better than the bowling alley that has become Florida. So to make you talk about it some more - I'm typically a hit-or-miss blogger, and too lazy to go back through and read what I missed, unless I'm tracking a particular conversation. make any sense? Anyway, congrats on the move and it being over and you getting set up someplace different.
HI CIN!! Hey everyone!
deb
remember
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always.
Mohandas Gandhi
I got Malloy on now, because the Dodgers suck. Damn it I missed it, trying to listen to the Dodgers, which I should've learned is a waste of time due to the suckiness factor. Oh well, I will listen tomorrow night.
Posted by xdebx on April 26, 2006 at 10:46 PM
hey I had a horse!!!! and I HATE To cook!!! are you sure you are not related? lol
Evening from "The troll"
Been slow here for a few days. Just wanted to say hi. Anyone know where I can find a Sazuki Blvd. C-50?
i have posted much more controversial stuff Julio. i know what you're saying. Well, it's convenient to use the anti-Semitism threat that way you can do whatever you want and no one can question you.
schube didn't say he wouldn't be back but he has just been busy we think buying a new house.
I believe we can be great again, we just need better leadership.
Posted by DeLLBerto on April 26, 2006 at 10:39 PM
I needed some optimism tonight Dell, appreciate it.
hi bobby -no help here sorry
i love horses but never had one. Mack/Rick who used to post here has horses.
Posted by jen on April 26, 2006 at 10:49 PM
you spelled Janeane the right way I'm sure
and I'm a typo queen tonight
I can't do Schultz - he really really really reminds me of RUSH (his tone of voice) and I just can't sit thru it. But I applaude him for being a fighter for truth!
Posted by kjfindlay on April 26, 2006 at 10:51 PM
Im in the mountains. Hurricanes don't hit the mountains like they hit the coast. I'm safe. Opal followed me up to Waynesville years ago. It was pretty nasty but not destructive to my trailer (at the time)
Dawnie, Don't know how this might work, but have a dear friend from here (So, Cal.) recently moved to Ashville, NC. She is an active Dem. I would be happy to put you two together but don't want to post it for the world. Any ideas?
Deb,
they're quarter horses and warm bloods, beautiful area, horse country. one long road of nothing but horse-mcmansions. if you know that pinehurst is the golf capital, so far two US OPENS!!, southern pines is horse country....beautiful down here in the sandhills, land of the long leaf pine.
argh
can't type and listen tonight at the same time and MIKE is on a RANT!! He cracks me up!
why can't I meet a man like that!!!??? what FUN!! LOL
del - is your dad a Repub? Just asking, cuz you used to be right? What does he think of Big Eddie?
Jen what time was your link re lobby? I missed it and I'd like to read it.
Posted by xdebx on April 26, 2006 at 10:56 PM
My own optimism wanes at times. I think it's my cluelessness that keeps me optimistic, lol.
well, maybe, but i posted it before you {{Dawn}}, so I was not correcting you ;)
Hey Jen nice to speak again,
I need a bike to save on the gas. My mom would die if she knew I was looking at a bike.
aaron, you can email me at donkeyod at gmaildotcom and i'll forward your email to dawnie if you like
Aaron,
Ashville is the most beautiful area of this great country. Lucky you.
jen on April 26, 2006 at 10:46 PM
{{Jen}} Don't be silly!!! I think Dors said it well on NBF, I know that is what makes your blog so special to me.
Good night and sweet dreams everybody :)
karen, it took me some getting used to Ed Schultz and Randi for that matter. My hubby didn't like Ed Schultz either b/c he sounds too much like rush but now we are both Big Eddie fans even though we don't agree with him on everything - give him another try - he gets some great guests
Posted by AaronM on April 26, 2006 at 10:57 PM
if she's on line tell her to come here first - lets get to meet her on even turf. I'm straight but I'd be willing to know her if she's a good democrat for sure.
I am disabled aaron so I'm not the typical big mouth democrat........ I don't canvass cuz I can't.
Posted by Cin on April 26, 2006 at 10:57 PM
Before last election the last time he voted was for Jimmy Carter. This time he wouldn't tell me who he voted for. I know he researched his ass off to find the best candidate. He likes Eddie Schultz a lot, so I don't know what he is.
I was a pug mostly because of apathy and I liked to argue with my grandparents, even though I didn't know what I was talking about. I also think the military had something to do with my former pugness. Thank goodness I decided to delve deeper then the MSM, to really understand politics, America and the lies from bUSH, the Republican Party and most of all the neocons.
i'm still waiting for that big discovery that usually comes aroung the turn of the century that takes civilization off into a life-changing direction......
thx {{Gig}} i consider it asuccess that you and my friends like it. and that my formerly republican brother does too. ;)
I LOVE Ed Schultz - that wasn't me. I think there has ever been just one thing I haven't agreed with him on, and I can't now remember what it was. Of all of them, for me it goes: Ed, Randi, Al, Springer
momo I think that big discovery might just be Reaganomics didn't work.
Had to buy gas today. Whoa! Paid 3.26.9 for regular in my old Ford Taurus. That hurts. The real problem, of course, is that it permiates through the entire economy. Everything costs more as a result. The chief schmuck in the oval hasn't got a clue as to what to do about it.
Most of what could be done, should have done years ago. It's a lot tougher now that the crisis is upon us. Poluting the the environment won't help. Skipping the last few gallons at the Stratigic Reserve is not likely to make much difference. I know, how about a good old fashioned resession. How is he gonna avoid that now that interest rates are up, building is down and nobody can afford to drive to work?
if i were your mother bobby, i'd be mad too, very dangerous. my brother is a paramedic and no longer has a motorcycle. why? saw too many accidents.
chellie pingree from common cause is great on tds!
Thanks Del. I was just curiuos. Yes, the fact that you were in the military probably influenced you lots.
that my formerly republican brother does too. ;)
Posted by jen on April 26, 2006 at 11:04 PM
There you go, you are making a difference!!! I remember you posting about him a while back :)
Hier zurückgekommen
Posted by Dawnie on April 26, 2006 at 11:05 PM
{{Dawn}} I never left :) I just realized I'm a much better lurker than blogger. And I do plan to crash your place some time this summer :)
But I really need to get to bed... g'nite all.
momo - it's gonna be energy related, and it's gonna be geothermal energy - you stick a pipe into the earth's mantle and use the heat from that to provide inexhaustable, cheap energy for all. Check out the Iceland Deep Drilling Project (IDDP) on Google.
"turn of the century" change frequently is in the first quarter of the century, and planning began the latter half of the last quarter of the previous century. Time will tell the wonders or horrors we will discover/create/invent this century/millenium
karen, sorry oops - well, for me, I can't agree with him on Hillary
Posted by Cin on April 26, 2006 at 11:01 PM
but he's on during Randi Rhodes - no can do but I promise if she's ever sick I will listen to Ed
LOL MIKE is seriously making me have to use the bathroom........then there is his music! a LOT of Pink Floyd (i'm not worthy) LOL
Dawnie, So is she and I know you will like her. She is a nut case (in the good sense) I'll e-mail her to join us.
Bush hiring Snow from Fox... isn't that kind of like out-sourcing the spokesperson job to Fox News? Why didn't he just give Fox a contract. They already act as his spokesperson anyway.
GIG
gute Nacht mein Freund
and I can't wait to see you! :-)
nite GIG - jen, did I hear you correctly? "formerly" Repub brother? That's great! I remember you posting a bit about him. Has he crossed over awaw from the dark side?
i disagree with ed sometimes sometimes he is too moderate for me. hehe. randi i agree with on most, except her love for lou dobbs. but sometimes she is rude to her callers but nobody's perfect. don't get to listen to malloy much but always agree with him.
and on the way out...
I am disabled aaron so I'm not the typical big mouth democrat........ I don't canvass cuz I can't.
Posted by Dawnie on April 26, 2006 at 11:02 PM
YIKES, we have to be big mouthed now?? I thoug