I appreciate the tone of this, Gov Dean. Thank you. With the messianic tenor of hizonortheprez re Iran, it is well past time for what he calls (to other nations) transparency...*keeping snarky comments to self*.
Granica

Is impeachment a possibility?

I hope so.

I hope that impeachment can also include the Vice-President.

I hope it would include Frist also.

What Did The President Know and When Did He Know It?

Also from Wapo:

The three-page field report and a 122-page final report three weeks later were stamped "secret" and shelved. Meanwhile, for nearly a year, administration and intelligence officials continued to publicly assert that the trailers were weapons factories.

Ezra like Dean states:

[...]

This is big, and coming at precisely the wrong time for the administration. They've declassified incorrect reports to kneecap the case against war, ignored classified documents that discredit their own rhetoric, and now Americans are trapped in an imploding war that they accepted on false premises. The danger for the Bushies is that at exactly the moment voters are searching for a reason to turn against a conflict they nominally supported, they're being given both a reason and villains who purposefully tricked them into ignoring their better judgment. Revelations about the administration's actions are lifting culpability from the American people, and once they lose their investment in this conflict, the crew sullying the White House is finished.

I can see that Howard Dean has far more composure over this then I do!I`m steamed to think he looks at such a treasonous act as an option to so called get his view out there?His whole presidency is nothing more then a trail of ruined careers and lives of anyone who doesn`t offer up what he wants to hear!I truthfully can`t see how anyone could support this president.I`m deeply concerned that the Democratic Party is going to let this die off like so many other things he has done.The law,the Constitution,nothing seems to be held in esteem to this administration.They are dragging our country down with them.How can we possibly go through almost another 3 years of this?

Bush is burnt toast. He is last week's news.

Who do we have to run against McCain? Frist is effete, he is desperation's candidate. Kerry is almost as burned a Bush. Who wants another Yale guy, another Skull and Bones mysogynist from the tea cup crowd. Edwards is fresh and from the middle class. Can he appear tough on Osama's crowd? What will he do about the border and illegal immigration? It ain't going to go away...too bad for you wannabe Mexicans. Does he have an issue that resonates? How many songs does he have in his playlist? Feingold ain't married? Why? Is he Jewish? Smart guy, may get a serious look from some serious money...you think? What's he all about?

John Edward would be my choice.

Bush sent American kids to die for his lies and to die for his political gain!

Bush's offenses against the public trust and against the Constitution are beyond censure; they are crimes.

Bring Bush, the worst president ever, to justice!

Think-about-it, Your name made me think.
How many people would have to be "impeached" before we got to a Democrat? Do you know how the system works?
I realize that you are angry and bitter.
Please take the time to educate me on the chain of command so that I know who has to be removed to put a Democrat in the White House.
I am sure you have thought about it, Think-about-it.
Also, who would that Democrat be?

Impeachment isn't about getting rid of however many republicans we need to, to get to a democrat. It's about removing people who've committed "high crimes and misdemeanors" while in the executive office.

Cheney goes "hand in hand" with Bush, they're both gone, having committed the crimes together which adds conspiracy to the counts.

Any repug that then takes office on down the line is subject to intense scrutiny and will have his career destroyed by it. The "republican agenda" juggernaut is effectively destroyed, and the party's acquiescence to these monsters for the last 6 years destroys the republicans' chances for winning in 2008.

In the meantime the dems talk huge reform talk, get the voting machine travesty corrected, and take power even if not in number (although if the voting machines didn't mess with us we'd take a majority in both houses in November).

Even McCain would not survive an impeachment hearing unscathed, as he would be repeatedly called upon, as a frontrunner for the nom in 2008, to fish or cut bait on the question of whether the bush cabal are slimebags or not. If he says yes, the party dumps him and he has to answer for why he supported them for so long (since every other slimy thing they've done comes out, even the stuff he was silent about). If he says no, he looks like he's either stupid, a toady, or as corrupt as they are.

Impeachment is a process, not an outcome. The process is like lifting a rock and seeing the slugs scurry.

Patty
Bush in charge should go
Chenny really in charge should go
Frist is under investigation also sould go.

Did I say a Democrat had to take office from impeachment, No.
But surely there is more honest Republicans, or are you in agreement that they are hard to come by.

Think-about-it, thank you for the reply.
Frist is not next on the list. Do some homework.
I do believe you are correct when you mention finding an honest politician in Washington is hard to do. ON BOTH SIDES.

Patti
I know Frist may not be next on the list, didn't say whether he was or wasn't.

I added him because I am in Tennessee and want him gone also.

Hi everyone!I just came back from a lovely lunch with my wife.I really shouldn`t be reading about Bush as nothing about him digests well these days.Except of course,if he said that he fired both himself and Cheney to get ready for their high crimes trial soon to follow.It may be one of the few times I could deal with Capital punishment! It`s a joke and not a joke when I think of all the good people who have died because of his decisions.The only mass destruction in Iraq is our troops & the Iraqi people!(Needless)What devious garbage these Republican think tanks seem to drudge up in their self-destuctive meetings?I`m sure they`re thinking we should have been in Iran Almost 2 years by now,and looking at Syria next.It`s obvious to me that world dominance is the only meal on their menu.

The question that needs to be asked is why were they so sure that evidence of WMD would be found? And why weren't they more suspicious when the "evidence" turned up in the Kurdish area? Could the answer be that the find was expected because it had been ordered up?
If so, then we need to ask what happened? Was the planned planting of evidence foiled, perhaps by someone working within the CIA?
Could it be that Wilson's wife was the real target of the disinformation campaign and that's why they were discussing her in the White House?
Can you imagine what it's been like waiting for the other shoe to drop?

Keep it up Howard you're doing great.

The chickens have come home to roost for the shrub. Sometimes you don't get what you paid for.

So what are the Dems going to do? Hillary hasn't shown much leadership or communicated any kind of vision that I can discern. Kerry reacts, doesn't seem proactive in any way, a real politician. Pelosi just doesn't have it. How did she get elected? Maybe Feingold. Maybe Edwards. Time for them to start speaking out, getting some ideas out there. Hope they are more positive then I am. Hope they come across as real people, not the politically correct doublespeak that we hear all the time. Hope they get outside and meet the people, all the people, not prearranged focus groups. Get some real insight it they ask their own questions and really listen. Many Americans don't know or care about anything but their small little closed in world. A real leader has to be able to open their eyes to what is going on. Man, do we need a leader!

Posted by monicasmith on April 12, 2006 at 04:53 PM

It does make you wonder.

We do know a lot of generals retired rather than participate in the invasion. We do know that intelligence agents knew that Cheney was cherry picking info. Who knows?

What is more likely is that the neocons conned themselves into believing that they were there. They had been pushing for this invasion for so long, they just didn't care if their evidence was less than kosher. In their minds, victory was so close. All they had to do is execute.

Best laid plans of mice and men....

Think-about-it, thanks again for the reply.
You see I want Clinton, Reed, Feingold, Kennedy, and others gone.
However I know that is why we have ELECTIONS.
Think about it.

Patty:

I could have guessed your position. If you want to discuss any issues just let me know.

I do have to say that it is to bad that we have not moved to a real democratic govt, and have one citizen for one vote instead of the electoral vote.

Its time that Democrats throughout the land take charge and join in a voice of union and stop the possiblity of getting attacked by Iran. If we attack Iran we will get attacked in retaliation. There is a clear path for military action to take place against us. We must not ignore this true threat to our own safety. We cannot allow bombs to fall upon Iran.
Lets join together and be the wiser, write your congressman immediately.

Why didn't these generals speak up before we went to war!!!

Just goes to show you how much importance men place on their careers.

Sacrifice family, friends, honor, justice, and truth for the career. Pretty scary.

Osama and GWB...an unlikely odd couple?

Read the blog: http://musingsfromthelonelyprofessor.blogspot.com/

Wes Clark is the most electable Democrat in the next presidential race. He is out of the DC loop of boneheads and is campaigning for Democrats across the country daily. The main thing about him is his leadership abilities and he is not afraid of these Republican bas####s as most of the others seem to be. He is moderate but understands the needs of our people and he can get the votes of independents and disgruntled Republicans. He has already done more for congressional candidates than all the others put together so he is a team player. A different Liberal with the same message that Kerry had who will set back and be beaten over the head every day and not fight back, will loose. America does not want people perceived to be weak. Hilary Clinton is out of it.America wants a person who will stand up the the Republican machine and Clark is that person.You can see his views on everything on the Wespac site.

Tug:

John Edward/ Maybe Clark for VP.

No career military man will ever get elected again as President.

We saw how Powell sold his soul for his bosses. It's pretty sickening to see. Clark didn't seem to be any different when it came to *ss kissing the higher ups. How else did he get promoted?

Whoever asked if impeachment is a possibility is crazy! I love president Bush! Why are you all so wierd?!

I love President Bush!!!

OK. FORGET THE REPORT THAT WAS CLASSIFIED AND THAT THEY KEPT SECRET. YOU DON'T NEED IT.

The same information is in the declassified Duelfer report, in an annex. That annex is a thorough, professional, honest examination of the trailers and it concludes that the trailers were not for WMD culture. The still-classified report will say the same thing, probably contain some of the same sentences and figures. You do not need to have the suppressed report to know almost exactly what it does say: that's reproduced in the Duelfer report annex.

OK? You'll let it go for now?

Fine. Now look at the "evidence" that Bush and Cheney relied on: the CIA/DIA white paper. I'm a chemist, I have made hydrogen using the same reaction as was used on the trailers, I could tell from the information in the white paper itself that the trailers were for manufacture of hydrogen. I could also tell that no fact about the trailers was accurately cited to support the conclusion of the white paper, I could tell that the white paper was "cooked" to reach the biological WMD conclusion. As did John Prados, in his book "Hoodwinked."

This is not a case of a report being classified and tucked away to favor the administration's viewpoint, it is a case of the CIA being misused by the administration to promulgate a politically-motivated lie. The white paper is not a mistake, not an error that occurred through honest analysis of the best information available at the time, it's a lie. The white paper was intended to conclude that the trailers were for WMD culture, the white paper did conclude that, in a bogus fashion. The white paper contains outright ridiculous fabrications about two components of the trailers: the cooling unit and the compressor and gas bottles. These are fabrications because they are not based even on the totally-rejected so-called "defector intelligence" provided by "curveball," not based on any evidence from anywhere. They are pure flights of fancy, pure fables, pure fiction. And very stupid fiction at that. Rather than clamor to see the honst report you can do far more of actual use by examining the totally available false report. That's where the crime is visible. C R I M E.

You will not find anywhere any evidence based on what was found on the trailers that supports the conclusion of the white paper. Despite the US having the trailers in hand the white paper was based almost entirely on pre-war claims. The actual trailer intelligence was mostly ignored. As it is clear that when that evidence was considered the conclusion reached was that the trailers were not for WMD culture it is not hard to see why the actual evidence was disregarded: it is in opposition to the desired conclusion. You can't reach the conclusion politically favorable to the Bush claims if you actually consider the evidence.

The CIA should never be used as the conduit for a political lie. It was. That's grounds for impeachment of any elected official who took part in that misuse of the CIA. Who might that be?

As to who the Democrats should run in 2008, this is easy: Mark Warner!

http://www.draftmarkwarner.com/

I spoke to Mark a couple of weeks ago and wished him luck on his presidential aspirations. He has been spending a lot of time in New Hampshire and Iowa lately. If Virginia would allow Governors to serve more than one term, he could have been Governor forever in our red state.

KimE

Fred,

You are lost... No amount of evidence can prove to you that your president is a liar and a crook. When Clinton lied about his sex life it didn't affect you at all did it? This war affects all of us, affects all the troops, and has drained our country of it's wealth to enrich those who least deserve it. He must be removed from office before he does more damage.

...and you need to grow a brain...

I realize some say it's premature to push for impeachment, but I think we need to continue building the case for that goal.

There was a LOT of talk before the war expressing serious doubts about President Bush's motives and sincerity. Now he's been caught being either willfully disingenuous, or dangerously ill-informed about WMD.

As a consequence we are now in an unprovoked war unjustly started under false pretenses, while the enemy that actually attacked us fell out of focus. As a born-again Christian, President Bush should be genuinely ashamed of the false witness he has borne.

The information-leaking he's admitting to is equall disturbing. President Bush told the nation that he was not aware of any leaking of classified information with a cavalier insincerity that starkly opposes his campaign pledge to return honor to the office of the President.

I believe the pattern of his behavior suggests a man who does not habitually tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If lying to the Amreican people about extramarital affairs rises to a level where the House should formally consider it to meet the standard for "high crimes and misdimeanors" then surely habitually lying to the American people about non-existant foreign threats while ignoring the real threats also meets that standard.

How about "Anke" for president. He seems to know everything.

Hi Brian111:
there are other topics covered on some of the other blogs on this site, you may find what you are looking for there.

As for impeaching, there are many Republicans that are turning on the President. Time will tell.

I wasn't for Iraq to begin with, I said it would be like another Viet Nam. Many who were for Bush now see that that was a pretty close prediction.

Impeachment is not stupid, it is a toll for the American people. I would suggest you value it.

As for being a soldier, they do what they are told it doesn't mean they like it. But then again it was rampant in Viet Nam to shoot a new Lt to the field that was all mouth and no action when they sent their people in to ambush after ambush, such as Hamburger hill. It may not of ever showed on record that it was done but talk to any who were in Viet Nam and I think they will set you straight.

Brian 111, as for hating Bush, I try not to use that word, it is most often to strong for me.

But I will say that he was unqualifed to be President, he was saved from the S & L failures by being protected by his Daddy and their family connections. He was an Ivy League who thinks he knows how to lead the Best country on the planet by the same way he may have run a football/baseball or any other sports team( and he didn't do that good either).
I am sorry if you can't see beyond the end of your nose to look into the history of George W. Bush.

Brian I got alittle carried away and forgot to tell you:
In other words the soldiers may be sitting in Iraq saying where are the american people? How come they can't get us out of here? Have they forgotten us, this administration is letting us die, Where is my mom, where is my dad, my brothers, sisters, anuts, uncle, cousins? How come they are leaving us here to die?

Did you ever think of that?

Amazing!!! George Bush is like Nixon but more arrogant and less intelligent.

The “Religicans” had Ken Starr following Clinton for years. They started with the “White Water land deal” but they settled for an oral sex scandal. The investigation and impeachment trial cost us millions. We don’t need a “Ken Starr” to dig up dirt on these guys. They are slinging the mud directly on the American people.

I am also VERY curious to know how much Dick Chaney’s 2005 $8.8 million is from his Halaburton “no conflict of interest” trust? Lying about the WMD’s seems to have been very profitable this year for Dick Chaney.

I like Edwards but he has the problems that come with being on the ticket with Kerry and will be perceived as a looser and weak by a lot of people. Voters do not like weak and will vote for the other guy no matter who he is if you are perceived that way. He also has the baggage that goes along with having voted on a lot issues during his time as Senator. That always comes back to haunt you when your opponent plays like these Republicans play. I just think Wes Clark is the strong candidate who is unafraid and he has less baggage than the rest of them. He is also very smart and very middle American which is something that has been missing for a long time.

Tug,
I dont agree that people think Edwards is weak by being on the ticket with Kerry, I think Kerry was fine until all the hubbub about Viet Nam.

John Edwards can bring back alot of the Southern voters, I went to both Edwards and Clarks appearances in TN.

Edwards was way ahead in the crowd count.
People like him, with CLarke and the General flap right now he wouldnt be the best choice, I could maybe see him as VP.

I really don't know at which point is it permissible
in academic-speak to use the term "imbecilic." But it
seems clear to me that America has set itself on a
past-practice clause of allowing itself to take out
its manufactured political anxieties on nations that
it could find precedence or neo-reasons for deeming
complicit in the generation of the anxiety.

Our Iran policy is a case in point. The recent article
by Seymour Hersh-- a journalist I loved to hate but
came to hate to love but can't help it because he's
been so good-- wrote in NEWYORKER an article, the
second, that intimates prospects for US attack of
Iran.

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/060417fa_fact

Before commenting on the above article, let me recall
a previous article in NEWYORKER in which Hersh was
used by the Pentagon to scare Tehran: he predicted an
attack, based on "inside" sources, but it never
happened. In both articles Hersh-- whom I hated since
Vietnam War days but came to totally respect, even
love, since 9/11-- is a leftist who became Wash. DC's
most respected journalist. Keep in mind that a Hersh
journalist is like an FBI agent: all he can do is ask
and ask and ask.... But Hersh had this way of coming
back at you, of double checking and then returning,
etc-- he was not just a detective but an intelligence
genius. And, he had a feel for what American democracy
is all about (something we East Euros obsessed with
Commies kept forgetting about). Sure he was a scoop
hound, very competitive, but he had a mission and
TRUTH was to be his weapon for the press, for America,
for the world and for freedom.

Now he despairs over how the press has capitulated in
fear of "access" cut-off since the 2004 re-election of
Mr. Bush. And so, he has widened his net inevitably
sacrificing the depth through revisiting and
double-checking of sources that made him so famous.
Now he is a known entity and people who talk to him
talk to him more deliberately to transmit a message
and/or work a cause. Also, Hersh cannot believe that
the larceny of this regime is as shallow and
"imbecilic" as it really is. So here he is putting
together dozens of one-pad interviews into a cogent
picture. So to him it looks like we have to go after
Iran but he misses what's driving us there.

Anyone who knew Cheney and Rumsfeld over the last
several decades knew that they thought leadership
depended more on what you seem to have below the
umbilicus more than what you seem to have above it
(ie. balls matter more than brains!). And so, many
deemed them both the Fix-it Keystone Cops of
Republican Administrations in that they took total
control and totally screwed up. Just look *carefully*
at their accomplishments. As for the presidency, I can
only avoid being bleeped by quoting EJ Dionne who
expressed it better than anyone: this Administration
is on a long holiday from complexity. What has this
wrought?

First of all, it has made real admission of error
impossible since the errors have been so massive and
so devoid of any rationale that no one can admit to
them for fear of the consequences. Bush was honest at
least when he said that he always follows his gut. As
a result, we are up against foreign policy by
speechwriters trying to make gut-reaction seem cogent.
So Bush is stuck with the speechwriters' words; it is
reminiscent of how the Soviet speechwriters, editors
at Pravda all, described the "Brezhnev Doctrine":
What's this "doctrine," with my name on it comrades?--
asked Brezhnev. Well, O.K., comrades, since you wrote
it, I hope it goes over well because I just don't
understand it. And so, when next faced with a
decision, Brezhnev was stuck with the "Brezhnev
Doctrine" because, after all, he himself enunciated
it!

The Bush doctrine is much the same. But rather than
explain and debate it with newsmen, as is expected in
a democracy, Bush protects himself by expressing
himself as only acting from his gut. And, the only
explanation his gut can offer is an odoriferous thing
most would rather skip.

Hersh's problem is that he got exclusive access to a
lot of bureaucratic ladder "climbers" or off the
ladder retired "fallers." They are Pentagon
practitioners of the art of sycophancy who are being
rewarded by Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld (Mr. Cheney only
appears as the "terminator" to those who fail to
comply) or victims of mis-steps who had been visited
by what Bush calls the "Vice," hence recently retired.
Then, Hersh tries to give all these little vignettes a
cogent string of beads arty necklace-like unity,
spiced by the "juicy" quotes in order to make it
appealing to the editor of NEWYORKER.

In truth, there is no Iran policy, just a "Bush
Doctrine" derivative that insists on: when in doubt
hit and hit and hit again. It's called "preemption";
but most miss the second part of its definition: "from
the gut." This means that a careful reading of Bush's
last 20 speeches will give you a clear picture of what
the precedent created by the words-smiths will cause
him to do (as he said). However, don't forget that
there's also Rove who speaks for what's "politically"
good for the Republican Party and Cheneny who tries to
force on Bush the promises he made to the Israeli
lobby, AIPAC.

My fear is that when the Republicans are swept from
power in Congress this Fall 2006, the Christian Right
will look for someone to blame. Because of the
neocons' obsession with their geriatric surge of
testosterone through their incestuous "think-tank" and
publication outlets, "the Jews" will be a very
convenient outlet for blame. After all, didn't they
crucify Jesus? Sounds dumb, but be ready to hear it a
lot!

Don't ask for too much reason or realism in this
reaction. It is only a cover-up by the leaders to
cover their incompetence. After all, the Bush
phenomenon is a phenomenal lowering of the bar for
smarts. This is what is reminiscent of Germany circa
1930s: "Triumph of the Will" and the 2004 Scripted
Republican Convention are similar cases of showmanship
(purple band-aids and all that) showcasing homogeneity
for the Fatherland under attack-- substituting, not
light, but glitz and blinding glare for brains. Since
then, our government has known little serious debate,
just the "imbecility" of polarized screeching. But
with an AIPAC front supporting an anti-Arab blare from
Congress, the neocons managed to make Likudnik and
Republican seem synonymous, according to the JERUSALEM
POST. In fact, the MASS MAJORITY of Jews are as
frightened of this phenomenon as any one else in
America. But they kept quiet for fear of making things
worse, according to the FORWARD, the Jewish newspaper
I always read for its sheer genius and prescience. For
insight, I offer the following Meirsheimer and Wald
academic paper on the AIPAC LOBBY:

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011

For those not so much into academic reading with
endnotes, I offer the shorter version from the LONDON
REVIEW OF BOOKS:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

Below is an attempted retort from David Gergen, a
White House aide for several presidents:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/articles/060403/3edit.htm

The Likud perspective goes so far as to shadow US
polices with a suggestion that America adopt Israeli
ones. In that way, how can the US complain about
Israel doing the same thing that America is doing?

I offer two examples:

(1) Daniel Byman's collaborative argumentation with
ex-Mossad (Israeli Secret Service) Chief, Dichter, on
"TARGETED KILLINGS":

http://www.brookings.edu/printme.wbs?page=/fp/saban/analysis/byman20060324.htm

(2)The Center for Immigration Studies argued in a
Congressional "hearing" it set up that the problems in
Paris are attributable to Islamic "false loyalty" to
West as immigrants:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/frenchriotstranscript.html

As Anne Norton in her study of the Neocons suggests,
there is an "anti-Semitic" campaign by A FEW Jews--
the neocons-- directed at Arabs and their access to
political influence in the US for fear that they might
balance off AIPAC. Somehow it is "kosher" to make that
an issue but not to discuss Zionist-right influence.

In the end, the mix of "imbecility" at the top and
censorship at the bottom suggests a possible repeat of
the worst-- anti-Semitism-- of the 20th Century as
backlash to the testosterone surge of a few
irresponsible advocates of "WW IV." That all this is a
testosterone geriatrics (prostatitis, if you will) of
a few old guys who, contrary to their claim, speak
only for their belated hormonal surge has been more
that documented by the famous words quoted in the
media from a leading neocon, Norman Podhoretz, upon
the start of the Iraq War: Now I no longer feel like
the scrawny Jewish kid in the schoolyard always beat
up by the black kids. Whatever he may feel, he speaks
only for himself, not as the Jewish leader he pretends
to be; but as a self-avowed leader he has the
obligation to responsibly consider the backlash from
the Fundamentalist Christians when they lose power and
the Mideast goes from bad to worse for the US thanks
to neocon influence through Cheney and Rumsfeld on
Bush. The so-called "Christian Zionist Coalition"
should have been seen for what it is: a momentary tool
of political convenience that could easily backfire on
the innocent Jewish population in America, all at the
hands of the Christian Right leadership looking for a
scapegoat for their bad predictions.

Daniel E. Teodoru

No career military man will ever get elected again as President.

We saw how Powell sold his soul for his bosses. It's pretty sickening to see. Clark didn't seem to be any different when it came to *ss kissing the higher ups. How else did he get promoted?

Posted by anke on April 13, 2006 at 02:40 PM

Anke:

You couldn't be more wrong about Wes Clark. He was the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the Clinton Administration. If anything, he antagonized his bosses at the Pentagon.

The Chairman of the JCS was Hugh Shelton, who hated Clark, because Clark circumvented his chain of command by talking directly to the State Department and the White House because he saw first-hand the results of ethnic cleansing by the Serbs against the Croats and the Muslims.

The Pentagon bosses did not want to be involved in Central Europe, but because he went above Shelton's head, the White House ordered the Pentagon to cooperate with NATO in implementing a battle plan that would stop the ethnic cleansing.

After the mission was accomplished, Clark got his ass reamed by Shelton, and was forced to retire early from his NATO post. Clark could have cared less. His decision to launch attacks against the Serbs saved hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of lives. Clark fully understood that the last two times we failed to intervene in Central Europe, we wound up in two world wars.

Clark, a kiss ass? I doubt it. Ask the Croats and the Muslims in Yugoslavia and Bosnia what they think of General Clark.

Needless to say this shows how full of bullshit Georgie is. We're talking about the first President with an IQ under 100. Not to mention also, he's a lying sack of shit.

Oh yeah, if it's war the Repooplicans want, it is war they shall have. I have declared WAR on the Repooplican Party. They are the REAL enemy of this country. Georgie is our country's version of Hitler and the Repooplicans are the Nazis. Let's defeat this enemy.

We need to take over the House and the Senate after these midterms so we can put Georgie on a leash. In 2008, get ready for the "Modern Day George Washington" to make the ultimate victory over the enemy. JOHN KERRY WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT. Russ Feingold would make an excellent VP choice.

As for Georgie and Cheney, they deserve IMPEACHMENT. It's time the enemy goes down.

Needless to say this shows how full of bullshit Georgie is. We're talking about the first President with an IQ under 100. Not to mention also, he's a lying sack of shit.

Oh yeah, if it's war the Repooplicans want, it is war they shall have. I have declared WAR on the Repooplican Party. They are the REAL enemy of this country. Georgie is our country's version of Hitler and the Repooplicans are the Nazis. Let's defeat this enemy.

We need to take over the House and the Senate after these midterms so we can put Georgie on a leash. In 2008, get ready for the "Modern Day George Washington" to make the ultimate victory over the enemy. JOHN KERRY WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT. Russ Feingold would make an excellent VP choice.

As for Georgie and Cheney, they deserve IMPEACHMENT. It's time the enemy goes down.

There is no doubt in any sane americans mind that G.W. is inadequate and its time for a change.

What I want to know is when the Democratic Party is going to abandon their wallflower, let the rich boys bully us stance and grow a spine.

All Ive seen on this site is the propaganda Tim Targis wants to post to lead opinions the way the party wants, with an occaisional "open" post for generic comments.

Let me open a post like "For Democratic opinion on immigration see "JohnMcCain.com" or "VoterOpinionDontCount.com"

Im sick of politicians from both parties falsely claiming the people support a "guest worker" program, just because they know most haven't checked opinions beyond the bogus media polls.

LOOK AT OPINIONS ON THIS SITE AND GET THE REAL OPINION OF THE PEOPLE!!!!!

Hey brian111,

I take it you're dumbass Neo-con f**k. You got ONLY ONE THING RIGHT. YES I AM ANGRY. Brian you are the one who's STUPID. Especially if you believe in Georgie and the Repooplicans. It sounds like to me that you need to get your head out of your f&&king ass. I tell it like it is. If you don't like it, TOUGH SHIT!

Hey Brian111,

Just to let you know you misspelled different. Yes, I already have an open mind. I just believe in supporting honest people. Georgie isn't honest. Neither are the Repooplicans.

I have not been able to get a full list of the email addresses of Senators & Congresspeople...some have emails, but most give you a form to fill out and if your address is not in their state, they don't give a youknowwhat...So, I fax them..but that's tedious...is there a list of all emails..so we can send them the "outrage of the day" email?

Denver

As I am assured others are, for over six years I have been continuously confronted with the futility of everyone involved in the stopping of the fake President of our country and all of his and his lawless henchmen's actions. Is all of this futility an indication of the decline and fall of the USA?

Sunday, April 16, 2006

Fred-Smith-1313
Brian111
Rene

Don’t republicans have their own website blog to spout their propaganda on? This guy fred smith 1313, brian 111, and poor rene are clearly republicans, so why are you here?

Fred and Brian, Clinton is not the president anymore, so talking about what he DID to try and justify what bush is DOING, does not work. So why do it?

For your info, the Congress was only given the intel, bush sent them, nothing more. Maybe they could have asked for more, they may, or may not have gotten it. At that point they were like me, they had no reason to doubt the president. Through all the arguments if he lied or not, the one thing that came to mind with me is, why. Why would bush and cheney lie like that. I was a police officer most of my life. To convince prosecutors to file my charges I had to get three things clear in my reports, a motive, the means to commit the crime, and the opportunity to commit the crime. It took about a year and a half for the info to emerge from all the spin, at least for me. The last two of this three prong requirement is, or at least should be obvious to anyone. The first, Motive, had me stumped for a long time, I there for did not listen to all of the bush propaganda. This was when the motive came to make sense to me. The motive for bush I always figured was because he hated Saddam for trying to have his father killed. I mean he has said it in public lots of times. He has also said, lots of times, “the world would be a better place without Saddam in it.” I just did not know about cheney, he pushed harder than anyone for this war. See, at the time I had never heard of halliburton, and cheney’s direct ties to this company. Just look at all the things the halliburton company has gotten away with in Iraq. And KBR is halliburton, so don’t go off on that kick. If you deny that halliburton and KBR have NOT gotten away with murder in Iraq, then you are even more nieve and gullible than it appears. Now the picture was complete, and every single piece of evidence that has come out since, has supported this idea. Chris Matthews of hardball, not exactly a liberal has said, the only thing cheney and bush wanted to be briefed on after the supreme court appointed him president, was Iraq. They wanted no other world info, pointing directly to the fact they wanted to invade before they had a reason, 9-11 gave them that opportunity. If we were invading countries who supported terrorists, why didn’t we invade Saudi-Arabia? If just counties who attack their citizens, dam, half the world, need I go on, you do get the picture, don’t you? And before you go calling me a liberal left wing nut, I am a life long republican, who can not in good conscience ever vote republican again. The whole Party has been hijacked by corporate America. There is nothing conservative about bush and cheney.

Another thing fred, if you want your elected officials to follow congress’s laws, tell bush to stop bugging people without a warrant. Tell bush to stop torturing people, or turning people over to countries who torture people. Tell him to let people they arrest have due process, as per the thing called the constitution. Tell cheney to stop lying, and shooting people in the face after he has been drinking. And to all of you, Please, do not even TRY to compare Clinton’s crimes to bush and cheney’s, especially on this website. It just makes you look all the more gullible!

D.W. McKinney
Mesa, Arizona
Dwolfaz@netzero.com

No Longer a life long republican, I am ashamed of what my old party has become, you should be too brian.....

PS: I forgot to mention, the war is going exactly as planned. The first gulf war was fought with half a million men. I did not understand why they would have go in to do a much much bigger job with so many fewer men, and women, sorry. Then, AGAIN, the halliburton thing came into play, the longer the war lasted, the more it would cost, there for the more halliburton would make. The general in charge of central command before the war, Zinni, told rumsfeld it would take about the same number of troops as the first gulf war. This was too many for the bush regime, the war would be over to fast. cheney and rumsfeld knew they had to pay halliburton more money than a quick war, so they designed a long drawn out war, the longer the better. Zinni then quit, and rumsfeld went off shopping for a new general, he finally discovered, franks, a two star at this point, but he agreed to come up with a plan for a lot fewer troops, He was promoted to 4 star, skipping one, and placed in charge of central command. Now look where we are, everything that has been done has been to drag out the war, even bush says it’s up to the next President. He has always intended to keep paying halliburton, this is the plan, no one should be surprised. As pointed out, as long as bush is president, he will stay in Iraq, he has said so many many times. Please people do not think bush is doing this for his health, the Iraqi people, or hi idea’s. He can not think that high, cheney can, but not bush. I say again, and watch and see, the war is going exactly as planned, rumsfeld is doing what he was told, and doing it well.

DW McKinney

Cynthia Mckinney has an honorable history in the Democratic Party, untainted by voting in lockstep with the neocons, so let's support her as candidate for Pres in 2008. She won't make it past the primary of course due to the moneyed interests controlling the two-party system, but at least she is one of the few leaders who could capture the attention and support of the people. She would generate the respect for Demos that the Demos lack so that a non-leader like Dean or Edwards could have a chance at gaining the White House.

Cynthia Mckinney has an honorable history in the Democratic Party, untainted by voting in lockstep with the neocons, so let's support her as candidate for Pres in 2008. She won't make it past the primary of course due to the moneyed interests controlling the two-party system, but at least she is one of the few leaders that could capture the attention and support of the people. She would generate the respect for Demos that the Demos lack so that a non-leader like Dean or Edwards could have a chance at gaining the White House.

Denver;

There is a way to email the congress folks who want a zip code in there districts. When you find their name, go to their website, find their local office, the address in their own district, use that zip code, and the numbers 2455 usually work, if you need the extra four. At least that is how I cheat, to get around their safe guards. I do not look at it as cheating, they need to know our concerns, idea's, and problems. So that is how I do it, but there are a lot of reps in congress. I have picked out a list of 40, and use their address all the time. I send my email to all the Democratic senators, and that is a lot of work on it's own. Have Fun, Go Get'em!!!

DW Mac

Oh my God!!! I just read the washington post artical on this incident. All that comes to mind, is Oh My GOD!!!

Everyone involved in the bush regime needs to be indicted for conspiracy. What a dam lie for them to say no one was pressured to change their reports..... It sounds like everyone in the CIA, DIA, NSA, and Pentagon was pressured to chang their reports before the war, and afterwards. If the artical is at all true, we are going to be finding things like this for years on the bush regime. Just most proof they wanted a war at any ocst and want it to go on as long as possible.

Again, all I can think to say is, Oh My GOD!!! And that bush supporter brian wants to call me a liar???? OH MY GOD!

Yes, this puts to lie that the legislative election years are "off-years" because it isn't a presidential election. Without strong imput in this year's election, we will have not only more rubber-stamp Republican and Republi-lite crap in the Congress, we will miss an excellent opportunity to get Bush and Cheney impeached, and their cronies, if not themselves, indicted, and this mess cleaned up instead of swept under the rug.
This is probably one of the most important election years in US history.
Everybody needs to get out and vote the primaries against the Republi-lite sell-outs in the Democrat party, and the general election to get the Republicans out of power in the Congress so we can get some truth and justice.
Then we can IMPEACH BUSH!!! Hoooah!!!
MAKE LEAVENWORTH KANSAS THE NEW WEST WING!!! Yeah!!!

This is a good step. There is a multitude of information out there being manipulated by the new Hitler, leader of the white power movement called Republicans. Sometimes I think it's not his fault he has to take orders just like the rest. Anyway, remember when we saw these pictures of mobile labs and Mr. Powell explained what they were. Notice how it's an ARTIST RENDITION, because there's no proof of any such thing existing. It was all a lie from the beginning, a million excuses to kill millions of innocents. Simple question for the NEW WORLD ORDER what is the justification for burning other peoples children? Oil? Money? Territory? what's the real target? Iran? Syria? North Korea? Is Iraq so much worse than China, or is it that China is a capitalistic economic competitor, whom I'm sure is involved in the illegal drug trade sponsored by the CIA and such. I really don't tend to trust any politicians on any side due to corruption and corporate sponsorship. However, it's plain to see that Governor Dean is a good man with a solid agenda, and the right attitude concerning the evil empire of the Republic. I would have to say if it means not being a republican than I am definately a democrat.

Kerry and Bush probably had sexual relations in college in their little secret club, Kerry is not the answer. We need an all new party of the people, or someone who really is trustworthy. Someone who has no ties to the empire or the New World Order. It's so hard to tell these days with all the corruption and Fox news, and the other demons of the media propaganda peddlers leaching off the teat of corruption. 17 to 25 presidents were related for a reason. Read between the lies. Buildings don't collapse due to fire, fuel burns at 800 degrees, steel melts at 3000 degrees. Think about it, no wreckage on the lawn of the pentagon? What does it take to awaken the sheep? When will the rest of the country see the true evil?

RepubliKKKans
RepubliKKKans
RepubliKKKans

Bow down to your master, give up your rights, and spy on your neighbors. Be very afraid at all times. Sell your children for oil. Believe the media. Get plenty of vaccinations(experimental) and stock up on cell phones(tracking devices). Try to forget that there's a whole world around you, your special your AmeriKKKan. That means your better than everyone else. Who cares if we knew the attacks were coming, we needed to go and destroy lives, that's what we do. Iraq, oh I thought we were talking about how we intercepted transmission of attack on pearl harbor 11 days before it happened. Whoops my bad!

Maybe there are no totally honest politicians, but I doubt if you can find any who are more dishonest than the elected officials currently in the administrative branch of our Federal Government.
Taft could have taken lessons from this bunch.
As for the legislative branch, there are a lot of them that I would not trust with a red-hot stove in the middle of August. If you look into their little piggy eyes you can see the bar codes.
We need to take back our government.

In patriotic succession, six of America's best military generals have resigned, all reiterating a single objective: SOD Donald Rumsfeld must immediately be removed from his office.

We, The People, must listen, and act in a legal, peaceful manner in order to achieve this objective, and our political leaders need to do their duty to their nation and it's military leaders, and move Heaven and Earth to assure that this objective (the removal of Rumsfeld) is achieved as quickly as possible.

Okay, my democratic leaders, you wanted to lead your constituents and govern this nation? Well, here's your chance--

Achieve The Objective.

fred 1313: There are various definitions of terrorism floating around, I checked Wikipedia and found ample evidence that many of the unconventional warfare tactics taught at The Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHISC), formerly School of the Americas (SOA), a US Army facility at Fort Benning in Columbus, Georgia, USA, clearly fall within the definitions of “terrorism”. You know, like assassination of schoolteachers, health workers, rape and murder of Maryknoll nuns, etc. So if you communicate by phone or email with any Washington politician who supports or has supported funding that institution, you have communicated with a known terrorist or at least a known terrorist supporter. And, perhaps, merit having ALL your correspondence monitored according to the Bush-Gonzalez “the-Constitution-is-just-a-piece-of-paper” logic.

Lead, follow, or get run over.
Vote the primaries, let's fire some of these Republi-lites. Then in November we can go after the Republicans.
Things aren't going to get any better until there is a grass roots rebellion and we clean House and Senate.
This is the most important election in the history of the United States.
We need to get everybody and their cousin out for the primaries as well as the general election.
Get back to the true base of the Democrat party. Hoooah!!!

Hey fred_smith_1313,

You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Georgie has his head so far up his f**king ass it's not f&&king funny. Don't you know that Georgie is the first President with an IQ UNDER 100. I'm sorry I'm from Boston. You may be selling BULLSHIT. I'm sorry I'm not f**king buying your BULLSHIT.

Oh yeah, Fred, you need to get a serious reality check. I guess you're like Georgie. Your IQ must be UNDER 100.

You can give IQ tests postumously now? Gee, the marvels of modern day science.
Maybe they can start giving politicians truth shots next so they'll stop lying to us. Maybe an ankle bracelet lie detector?
One can only hope.

No I don't know who coined the phrase "the politics of personal destruction". It fits the Bushiato though. They are really shooting themselves in the foot, multiple times, maybe they're masochistic.
The problem is they seem to think that the American people like pain too.
The first solution is to eliminate as many Republicans and Republi-lites as possible. This will remove the blanket of protection that is hiding many of the facts of both the Bush administration and corporate involvement in all this mess, from the American people.
We need to get enough people in both houses of Congress to get an impeachment started, and also to look at re-negotiating the so-called "Free" trade agreements which have caused job loss in this country and the destruction of the economies of many third-world nations, including the problems we are having with Mexico.
We must take into consideration that this is an inter-linked WORLD economy.
Face it, the corporations which are pushing these "Free" trade agreements are American companies in name only, they are multi-national corporations who owe alliegance to NO country and are only out for their own short-sighted self-interests.
The impeachment of both Bush and Cheney will bring a lot of things to light. Exactly what, we've only had glimpses of.
Our course, once the truths come to light, will depend on what exactly is going on that we haven't been informed of and what will be the best way to correct the problems that this administration has caused.
Right now, the obvious problems are, our loss of credibility as a world leader, our recession/depression among our own working people, the maltreatment of the military with their own eroding pay scales for lower enlisted and the continued attack on the Veteran's administration, the attacks on the public lands which are held by the government in trust for the People of the United States, the immigration problems caused by NAFTA's destruction of the Mexican farm economy. Shall I go on? There is much more.
We need to work in concert to correct these problems. We need to listen to the experts both in and out of government who have had their reports changed or supressed because they didn't fit into the Bushiato agenda.
We need to find out more information, and determine our best course, because we have not been given all the facts, and uninformed action has the potential for disaster. Iraq is a case in point because the uninformed administration refused to listen to the advice of military experts and went their own pie-in-the-sky way to disaster. Those six generals are right. So was Shinseki.
We have to remember no op-plan survives first contact with the enemy (aka reality). We have to keep our objectives in mind and stay flexible enough to react to whatever surprises the Bushies have been hiding from the American people.
We need to clean house and fix the multiple messes that the lock-step Republicans and the influence of corporation caused corruption has caused.
We need to get people informed and get as many as possible to vote the primaries, both Democrat and Republican to break up the influence of Bushiato Republicans and the Republi-lite sell-outs in the legislature.
That's the first step. It needs to happen.