THROW THESE BUMS OUT OF OFFICE!!!!

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST!

IMPEACH MONKEY BOY NEXT! HE HE HE

NO TROLLS ALLOWED!! It will be a LOOOOOOOONG weekend, and trolls will be rampant.

BEWARE OF NAME HIJACKING AGAIN!!!

Those who seem to be posting aren't actually the ones who are doing it.

WATCH OUT FOR SUBTLE DIFFERENCES IN SPELLING OR PUNCTUATION OF THE BLOGGER'S NAME.

The trolls are out of "rehab" or "school" or "Prison", or...

LUCK!

Culture of Corruption is an anchor around the Pubes' neck!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Mike Malloy mentions there IS NO OPPOSITION PARTY only some opposing Democrats.

(I don't know how I functioned as a citizen before Air America)

25 "democrats" proved their inability to STAND up today and OPPOSE this REGIME that is trying to turn this into another NAZI GERMANY!!

With that many lambs willing to follow to the slaughter is there any hope at all?????

Message to Skilling and Lay,

If you drop the soap in the shower...

Don't bend down to pick it up.

the four cards of a stacked whitehouse deck, kingbush, jokerdickshoutgun, rummiethelyingjack, and connivingqueencondi. the power brokers. i wish i had a magic wand.

JOHN MURTHA FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

my wagic wand would put two war criminals in an iraqi cell with sadam, kingbush and lap poodle.

good evening. looks like there are more porcupine needles to pull out of the presidunce's ass:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iran has a right to develop nuclear technology and the international community should drop its demands that Tehran prove it's not trying to build a nuclear weapon, Iraq's foreign minister said Friday.

"Iran doesn't claim that they want to obtain a nuclear weapon or a nuclear bomb, so there is no need that we ask them for any guarantee now," Hoshyar Zebari said after meeting with his Iranian counterpart, Manouchehr Mottaki.

Iran's nuclear ambitions are "an international issue," Zebari said. "In our beliefs, it is a matter of principle. Every country has the right to have its nuclear technology, every country like the Islamic Republic or any other country, since it is for peaceful purposes."

that supports our position nicely...hahahahaha...

schmucks

..(ahem)...

So....Benj....are you gonna tell us all about being called in to the PRINCIPLED office?

Hmmmm? Hmmmm?

(Let's ditch these squares and go smoke behind the Pastor's garage).

Oh, but Dawnie, he was going to be confirmed anyway, so they might as well vote for him. Because Democratic politicians really don't stand for anything. Period. They're only Democrats because the Republican party was full when they wanted to run.

By Russ Bynum
Associated Press Writer
Updated: 2 hours, 58 minutes ago

SAVANNAH, Ga. - It’s been 10 months since a roadside bomb in Iraq killed Cathy Brunson’s son and three fellow Georgia National Guardsmen — not long enough to heal, she says, and too late to take much comfort in President George W. Bush’s admission he’s made mistakes in conducting the war.

kingbush and lap poodle, from the war lords to war criminals.

“No matter what is said or done now, it’s not going to bring back the 2,000-plus soldiers that were killed,” Brunson of Sylvester, Ga., said Friday, a day after Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair offered sobering acknowledgments of missteps in their handling of Iraq.

rummie the lier included

LOOK AT THIS INCREDIBLE LIST OF HAPPENINGS THIS WEEK IN WASHINGTON.........
(pick which one you think was of the most importance and vote)

What was the week's most important story in Washington?
Theft of Veterans Affairs Data
16%
Pres. Bush Admits "Missteps" in Iraq
4%
Senate Passes Immigration, Border Security Bill
27%
Guilty Verdicts in Enron Trial
21%
Senate Confirms Gen. Hayden as CIA Director
5%
Dispute Over FBI Raid on Rep. Jefferson's Office
12%
House Votes to Ban Direct Aid to Palestinians
2%
House Votes for Oil, Gas Drilling in Arctic Refuge
9%
Other
2%

Total Votes: 577

UnREAL all this happened in only one week!!!

Iran has a right to develop nuclear technology and the international community should drop its demands that Tehran prove it's not trying to build a nuclear weapon, Iraq's foreign minister said Friday.

How can they prove they're not going to do something anyway? Has anyone ever told these idiots that ya can't prove a negative?

Posted by GregL on May 26, 2006 at 11:08 PM

YAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

I was just refferrencing YOU earlier, (about old Bloggers who have stopped blogging).

I have powers of conjecture.

C'MON TIMCEE!!!!!

Nite John Clarke

Hey Benji, where have you been? no....do not go off with DPD, you share with all....!!!?

Iran's nuclear ambitions are "an international issue," ...hahahahaha...

schmucks

Posted by gregg on May 26, 2006 at 11:07 PM

greg,

reminder overseas reporting is not like the soundbytes here. said before, and repeat, overseas leader of iran is not perceived as the boogie man... it's kingbush and i'm sure we now could include his english poodle...rollover, jump, lie down, good poochie...smoochie for poochie.

Posted by DPD on May 26, 2006 at 11:07 PM

Tracy Joan gave me a whipping.

She said if I don't stop spamming...

and if I don't stop engaging with the trolls...

and if I don't start watching my P's and Q's...

She was going to take my meal card and stamp it NO DESERT.

She told me that...

she knows when I've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake.

So I'm going have to straighten up and fly right from now on.

come on Benjiiiiii, we're all waiting....

Wow BOTH Greg's in one place!!! Been years!!

Hola guys! (and gals) are any of you listening to Mike! He gets me so excited to know there are others OUT there with the same worrys.

Of course then sometimes I think.......... yep we are just lazy slobs who would rather just LET them do what they will and ruin everything we hold dear!

If NOV vote is not a serious Democrat take over then I suggest we ALL buy motor homes and head NORTH (or SOUTH) cuz THIS country won't be worth living in anymore!!

(a real fear)

Posted by gregg on May 26, 2006 at 11:07 PM

it was pure arrogance on the part of the US Administration to assume they could replace saddam with a government made from the fuedal tribes that would be sympethetic to them. Having them side with another Islamic nation right out of the box was a bit of a no-brainer, any such government that sided with someone thought of in the region as a war criminal would have no hope of legitimacy to those they presume to govern.
ol condilingus shoulda seen that one coming, being the secretary of state and all... since she was previously the national security advisor, it should have been even more obvious since it is kinda the duty of that position to know how the enemy might think.

The trolls are out of the Wehrmacht training school.

nice piece at the village voice about gore's presentation to a packed crowd of i imagine a few thousand at town hall, times square, manhattan:

Al Gore and the Moral Imperative
By Anya Kamenetz | May 26, 2006

"Our political system has something in common with the earth's climate," Al Gore is saying to wild applause. "It is non-linear. Change can seem to be happening slowly, and then it can shift to a completely new path." The former vice president and current star of the documentary An Inconvenient Truth (official site: climatecrisis.net) was describing, to a packed house at Town Hall in Times Square yesterday, why he feels more hopeful than the most pessimistic scientists that the most serious consequences of global warming can be averted.

The event was full of hope, much of it taking a decidedly partisan shape and residing in the figure of Mr. Gore himself. "I wanted to get this chance to see the next president of the United States," said Bryan Snyder, waiting in line with his 17-year-old son Spencer. "I wouldn't be surprised if people looked at him with fresh eyes after this movie." Neither would the New York Times, New York Magazine, or liberal bloggers.

gore plays town hall

Posted by Benji on May 26, 2006 at 11:16 PM

YOU ARE FULL OF IT! if you don't want to tell us because they have assigned you a secret mission, ok, i accept that....but you spammmin'? engaging w/ trolls?

no worse - no better than some.....

come on benji,,,,,we'll keep your secret.....

Posted by Benji on May 26, 2006 at 11:16 PM

well I for ONE appreciated you defense of me the other night!!! Deb and I had lunch the other day and she even mentioned your passion!! (were your ears burning?) LOL

Posted by momoaizo on May 26, 2006 at 11:16 PM

refer to:

Posted by Benji on May 26, 2006 at 11:16 PM

I took a time out.

dang that was "YOUR defense"

I hate typos (I hate wasting a post) so I'll promote Air America ONE more time!!! hehehe!

Mike says the DU has a Malloy thread that runs every night. I may go look over there as well. This guy is a righteous dude! Serious tin foil hat wearer! :-)

america1, i have been mindful of your recent theme of what does reality look like from outside of the usa and have found it instructive. in this case however i do find the iranian president as well as our dear leader to both be flaming assholes...

Posted by momoaizo on May 26, 2006 at 11:20 PM

I told you.

People are getting fed up with me posting too much non related stuff.

People are getting fed up with me arguing with the trolls.

I must excercise honest debate like Dr. Howard Dean.

I must set an example to everyone that we can share our thoughts, debate about current issues and still have fun at the same time.

Don't mess with Principal Tracy Joan or your gonna get your hide tanned old school.

Posted by gregg on May 26, 2006 at 11:19 PM

Ok if GORE is President he has to have Murtha for a VP otherwise I am seriously falling for that man!

He was right on about those Marines, about Iraq about everything he's been asked. I love his honest passionate responses! He's not memorizing some freaking talking points like I hear biden, schumer and the rest of that dlc gang continue to do.......... is it their MONEY that makes them turn into so many sheep?

Are they hooked on the money? They don't HAVE any power so it can't be that.

http://www.barnonedrinks.com/recipes/shooters/f/flamingasshole.htmlIngredients:
Flaming Asshole
* 1/3 oz. Blackberry Brandy
* 1/3 oz. Bacardi 151 Proof Rum
* 1/3 oz. Tequila

Interesting word that, troll. I think it is an attempt to ostracize people who do not agree with you. Thank God we live in a Democratic society.

Posted by Benji on May 26, 2006 at 11:24 PM

ok nuff said about it as far as I'm concerned

glad you are not banned! That would have just been WRONG!!! Don't let them take your passion though!! I guess a tighter grip on the reins can't hurt..... but dayum...... be who you are!!

Posted by Benji on May 26, 2006 at 11:24 PM

SHOCK AND AWE - BIG TIME!!!!

glad you're back tho.....

It is time for a change from Twentieth Century Capitalism to Twenty-First Century Capitalism that will provide equitable benefit from the U. S. Economy to both the Working and Poor Class Workers and Consumers as well as the Elite Capitalist Class Owners and Managers of the Means of Production and Distribution. For more details see the following link:

http://reformdemocraticparty.blogspot.com

ThomasG

Howard Dean is the BEST thing the DNC has probably EVER DONE for themselves!

SHAME on the jealous insiders who tried to keep him out!!! And shame on their forgetting what this is all about!!

The LITTLE guy!! Not the BIG MONEY PUNKS!

in this case however i do find the iranian president as well as our dear leader to both be flaming assholes...

Posted by gregg on May 26, 2006 at 11:22 PM

gregg, allow me to add, very "inflaming" and they having the oil can make a larger fire. and, i'd love to wave a wand and send iran the four whitehouse birds mentioned above to roast.

Posted by Marine on May 26, 2006 at 11:28 PM

in the chat/blog circles, "troll" is not actually meant to mean a creature of the ogre variety.. it's centered around "troll fishing" where you cast a baited hook and putz around waiting for a bite...

I've been kinda busy the past few months trying to recover from the "prosperity" of the country. I got "prosperitied" right out of my job in December, and just got a new one last month. But yay! I'm now a real developer, instead of just playing one on my computer. Now all I need is something that doesn't eat as much gas as my pick-em-up truck (yes, I know, I'm a BAD progressive...but heck, I do live in Texas).

But it is such a joy to listen to Air America during the LOOOOOONG drive time...I always enjoy yelling at Randi on my way home when she doesn't quite have her facts straight...but it's more fun when I drive along singing "I'm the Decider", lol!

I am so looking forward to next Friday, when "An Inconvenient Truth" opens at the Angelika down here.

http://www.firelily.com/support/depression/trolls.html

About Trolls and Flamers

AM1 if I still drank I'd take that blackberry brandy off your hands mate!! hehe!

Basically it is making a statement that you hope someone will respond to?

uh, i guessed i looked the other way too long. benji's roll call of candidates...benji, ya went thru the entire united states?

Interesting word that, troll.

It means trying to 'bait' someone into responding, like fishing.

Posted by Marine on May 26, 2006 at 11:36 PM
yes, only with the respondant considered "prey" rather than a fellow conversationalist

Posted by GregL on May 26, 2006 at 11:34 PM

sorry about the job loss but CONGRATS on finding a better one????

I'll be in line to see that one at the cinema myself! Can't wait!

If you USE the truck I see nothing wrong with it until they make a GOOD alternative. I miss my jeep wrangler almost every day!! It didn't eat much gas tho but was a 4wheel drive.

Posted by Marine on May 26, 2006 at 11:28 PM

Marine,

I define trolls as individuals who attack other bloggers but never state their own views or stay on topic.

I don't agree with you on many occasions but I never get into heated debates with you because you never aggressively attack anyone to get your point across.

So I just read your posts so I know what you're thinking, I respect your diverse views and move on.

I have never had reason to define you as a troll.

As a matter of fact, I remember when I first started blogging here. You were one of the first blogger I remember reading.

Tune, that describes everyone and anyone who has a conversation online.

tune, i never heard such a clear definition of troll as used in the two dimensional world.

We have two people here (at the moment, anyway) who have certain basic troll characteristics:

They are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their words or behavior.

They are unable or unwilling to consider the possibility that they have brought a great deal of dislike upon themselves.

I don't know for certain, but my feeling is that each of them is filled with self-hate, and is unable to face that issue.

from Trolls and Flamers

"I wouldn't be surprised if people looked at him with fresh eyes after this movie." Neither would the New York Times, New York Magazine, or liberal bloggers.

gore plays town hall

Posted by gregg on May 26, 2006 at 11:19 PM

I'm certainly looking at him with fresh eyes...eyes that say he could do it right in 2008.

well marine and i disagree on the clarity of tune's definition...kinda funny...

Okay, I don't consider anyone prey. I disagree often, but I don't plan on eating anyone.

Posted by WD on May 26, 2006 at 11:37 PM

indeed!! (waving) hey WD!

I don't know why would wouldn't name those people momo.

Posted by momoaizo on May 26, 2006 at 11:39 PM

this is "according to Linda" right?

gregl, yeah but i think he is evolved past wanting to be president. like the way bush has devolved from a chimp to a mud puppy.

glad you found a job. if your in texas and your vehicle weighs less than three tons and has wheels with a diameter of six feet or less you are a greenie...

Momo, sometimes you just have to confront your fears. Not trying to start anything with you really, although I think that you believe that I am something I am not.

since i've trashed enough on kingbush and the english lap poodle, what's up with ol' joe vs lamant? on the west coast don't get east coast scoop. it has perked a lot of interest, this maverick trying to tread on bush's favorite demo lap pooch's territory.

marine, i am glad you are ruling out cannablism...creatures roaming the small praire towns moaning "brainssss,brainssss) are way more trouble than trolls...

Indifference, is a dangerous thing because it causes us to unknowingly misunderstand where others are coming from.

Posted by Dawnie on May 26, 2006 at 11:43 PM

this is from Trolls & Flamer by Diane Wilson, thought it fit here, except there is only one and not two people here that it fits at the moment imo

Posted by gregg on May 26, 2006 at 11:43 PM

LOL @ all that

Well, Benji,

I LIKE your "Candidate's Synopses" for the various long shots. Your John Leasch blurb probably did a lot for his Campaign especially in light of Coach Hastert sweating like a pig (as per usual) lately.

The rest is between you and the Principal.

I have to agree with you there, Gregg.

I don't feel anyone here presently is coming remotely close to troll behavior!

I don't want to get them started either (if they're lurking)

so far the night is quite pleasant. I'd rather not test my luck.

Come on, Momo, who's the troll?

I like straight forward people. I just consider beating around the bush to be a serious character flaw. These people might suspect that I am picking on them when all I'm doing is asking for an honest answer.

Posted by Dawnie on May 26, 2006 at 11:38 PM

Definitely a better job, if not better paying. And yeah, the pickup comes in handy for home projects, and hauling the riding mower to the shop when I forget to put oil in it and need a new engine. Hmmm....wonder if anyone is making ethanol or bio-diesel engines for mowers? They really are bigger polluters than cars. Unfortunately, practicality is going to win out over conscience for me in that regard. I am not mowing an acre with a manual mower.

Talking to evasive people is like running in circles. You can tire yourself out and still never get anywhere.

Interesting word that, troll.

It means trying to 'bait' someone into responding, like fishing.

Posted by WD on May 26, 2006 at 11:37 PM

I agree with this definition (and I've been the baiter and the bait and the lunch at the bottom of the river)

just not tonight! I want to celebrate the fact we are so much less corrupt than the PUGS!!! something like 15 to 1!!!

You know Dawnie, you're right, no troll behavior here.....

Gregg,

did you read on the earlier thread where kos had that online vote and lamont got something like 76%?

Posted by momoaizo on May 26, 2006 at 11:53 PM

yes and I read the news tape at the bottom of msnbc earlier and it said (lmao) K Harris is falling way way behind the X astronaut! like 30 points behind!!

I'm so happy for Florida even though I'm not there anymore!

good nite folks. stay civilized with each other, it is the right thing to do!

Posted by GregL on May 26, 2006 at 11:50 PM

I remember my DAD (the popular science and popular mechanics freak) buying one of the first electric lawn mowers! He loved it and it was so quiet!! It would go on its own too. I mean you pulled up the lever and it started moving by itself you just had to guide it!

Of course we had a suburban yard! You'd need a BIG long extention cord for what you have!! LOL

gregg gnite! and I'll try. :-]

I'm going to have to assume that Momo was talking about me since she sees fit to ignore my questioning.

Hey guys -

Hope you all have a great weekend.

Remember one thing: Your principal is your PAL!

:)

Seriously - good to see everyone having a real debate around these parts. I think it's one of the great things about our side of the aisle - that we respect and encourage good debate and honest exchanges.

Only then do we grow our Party and expand our perspectives.

I'm watching Good Night and Good Luck tonight.

"We can not defend freedom abroad by deserting it here at home..."

Genius.

Here's a diary about rating trolls over at Dailykos.

Posted by Dawnie on May 26, 2006 at 11:59 PM

Hmmm...maybe solar cells? I mean, it's not like I mow in the rain....Maybe it's time for a little research....or I could get in touch with Willie Nelson.

Posted by Dawnie on May 26, 2006 at 11:48 PM

After the name hi-jacking of HyBridFuel earlier today, and the fact that I mentioned GregL's name, and THEN he shows up within 12 hours...

I thought that the resident troll hi-jacked an old name that was mentioned in the earlier thread.

We'll see who s/he hi-jacks next. Tracy is wise to the rise in his Levi's. (Being an assh*le is what gets him/her off, and we have a LONG WEEKEND).

Posted by TracyJoan on May 27, 2006 at 12:01 AM

oooo I haven't seen that one yet either!! Give us a Siskel and Ebert run down later ok?

thanks Tracy J

Hey will you be able to give us a Saturday and Sunday open thread too or should we just migrate? Like we do sometimes?

Goodnight gregg, sleep in peace

Goodnight Fair Dems,{{{Dawnie}}} blog ya tomorrow

night Benji, glad to see you back

Simplicity, it is what occurs when an individuals judges your entire character based upon the stance you take on one issue.

We'll do our best. We do have lives. Or we try to you know.

Migrating really isn't something I suggest.

yikes!

looks like things are "flaming across the pond"

UK lawmaker says assassinating Blair would be justifiable...Friday, May 26, 2006; Posted: 11:30 p.m. EDT (03:30 GMT)

LONDON, England (AP) -- Maverick Member of Parliament George Galloway has said it would be "morally justified" for an assassin to target Prime Minister Tony Blair...he would like to go a few rounds with both Blair and Bush.

"I'd take them both at once," Galloway said.

"That's what really upsets me. They are the sort of men who are ready to fight to the last drop of other people's blood. They couldn't personally punch their way out of a paper bag. They send other mothers' sons to their death, and I find them both deeply repugnant," he said."

This is what I disliked about the atmosphere that's existed since Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq and I am sad to see that it has yet to leave.

Posted by DPD on May 27, 2006 at 12:04 AM

but you're such a GREAT bouncer type! If you're here I'm not too worried. Just the BIG threads become a PAIN!!

hijacking others names is a total infringement on SOMETHING I would think!

Like opening someones MAIL or something

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

HEY TRACY,

Hope you have a great holiday weekend, will you get to have a weekend or is it more work?

Aww you leaving Linda?

(waving) gnite then!! Peace!

momo -

I definitely have projects I have been working on in the evenings and on weekends that I don't seem to be able to get to at the office.

No rest for the weary, or the wicked for that matter!

I am trying to do a little but of both this weekend.

Posted by TracyJoan on May 27, 2006 at 12:06 AM

but if we didn't learn to MIGRATE we'd all still be neanderthals (sp) LOL

ok - I'll try to post LESS (I'm heading to bed pretty soon myself so that should help)

Hay Marine,

You switched over hear on this thread. I changed my name from MexicoSupporter to one I usually use, I like it better.

What mind challenging topic do you want to discuss?

you know Tracy, if there is anything i can do to help...

****she says as she wipes the brown stuff off her nose****

Tracy, stop by for a Bratwurst if you are around this weekend. So far, so good. By November we will have roast Hastert, if all goes well.

(Hmmmm, I gotta get a bigger grill).

Posted by AlbuquerqueNo1 on May 27, 2006 at 12:12 AM

I have fond memories of Albuquerque (in Nov 2000) or was it Feb? anyway just wanted to mention it

Thanks :) Momo!

If you, or anyone, have time and interest in helping with some research I am working on, e-mail me. russot at dnc dot org

Ok, really going this time,

good night hugs and smooches to all, of course except any trolls that are out there....

Have you seen the NSA kids' page? I don't find it creepy at all. Really.

I just want the kids (and cartoon animals)who are spying on me to know that.

Posted by WD on May 27, 2006 at 12:02 AM

HEY!! that was really an informative description! KOS is something else man! I'm glad I checked it out!

By November we will have roast Hastert, if all goes well.

(Hmmmm, I gotta get a bigger grill).

Posted by DPD on May 27, 2006 at 12:15 AM

Ewww, no thanks...I like meat, not crap-on-a-stick.

yikes twice...

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iran has a right to develop nuclear technology and the international community should drop its demands that Tehran prove it's not trying to build a nuclear weapon, Iraq's foreign minister said Friday.

kingbush just got bit by his iraqi pooch.

After the name hi-jacking...I thought that the resident troll hi-jacked Posted by DPD

He didn't even change the line he used from back when he highjacked names two years ago.

Posted by GregL on May 27, 2006 at 12:19 AM

ROFLOL at both of you!! OH jez my neighbors I hope are NOT home!!

Okey Dokey, TJ. I have nothing else to do. (And I LOVE research. It keeps my mind sharp, except for today when I couldn't figure out the patternless crossword puzzle).

Well, Albuquerque, I don't think these nice people fully comprehend the immigration issue yet. You mentioned a flaw with the arguement concerning employers taking their business elsewhere if they are not allowed access to cheap immigrant labor, mind elaborating for us?

Posted by TracyJoan on May 27, 2006 at 12:15 AM

I think dpd and wd are about the best researchers we have around here (at night anyway) but that's just my opinion and they might not be interested.

ok all, getting late...keep the blog alive...one thing for sure, there's a lot of bad news out there...no thanks to kingbush with his court of jesters, and now include lap poodle of england.

nite all.

Posted by america1st on May 27, 2006 at 12:07 AM

I *LOVE* that Galloway! Too bad we can't have the Supreme Court select him as commander-in-chimp, him being a furriner and all

dpd

jinx i guess you are interested! You are seriously one of the best! (and I don't pander)

not intentionally anyway!

gnite AM1!! Have a great weekend!!

GregL I used to really like Galloway until he went a little nuts and joined some drama troupe.........

or is that some other Galloway?

Marine,

I think you got me confused with others. I agree with you. The large companies who can afford to move to another county can. The ones that can't like in construction stay here and are able to hire cheep labor.

Posted by Renee_in_Ohio on May 27, 2006 at 12:19 AM

holy crap Renee........ is that some REAL cartoon for kids??? No no I don't like that either. Creeeeeeeeeeps me out!

Posted by WD on May 27, 2006 at 12:20 AM

That fact was related to the proper authorities and the DNC. I multi-tasked it since it has been a FEDERAL LAW since last January.

These new candidates need to be putting their movies for advertising on the DISH Satellite on Channel 9410 and Channel 9415. Here are the links:

LINK TV Channel 9410

http://www.linktv.net/

FREE SPEECH TV or FSTV Channel 9415

http://www.freespeechtv.org/

RIGHT-WING Owned Corporate TV will never allow anyone on the LEFT enough time to get their points across. The only media the LEFT has is these two Channels on Satellite and a little on C-Span. I thought I would be seeing some ads on these channels, but I have seen none. Time is getting short. One of the best way to make yourself known in through television and I think these two Satellite Channels will be very obliging.

These new candidates need to be putting their movies for advertising on the DISH Satellite on Channel 9410 and Channel 9415. Here are the links:

LINK TV Channel 9410

http://www.linktv.net/

FREE SPEECH TV or FSTV Channel 9415

http://www.freespeechtv.org/

RIGHT-WING Owned Corporate TV will never allow anyone on the LEFT enough time to get their points across. The only media the LEFT has is these two Channels on Satellite and a little on C-Span. I thought I would be seeing some ads on these channels, but I have seen none. Time is getting short. One of the best way to make yourself known is through television and I think these two Satellite Channels will be very obliging.

Marine,

For this being a Blog on the Democratic Party web site, there sure are a lot of people on here talking about things other than Politics.
I guess they just don't care about what is going on in this world.

Good evening, all you fine progressive peeps!

Drinks are on the house tonight!!!

From the NSA site:

Americans expect NSA to conduct its missions within the law. But given the inherently secret nature of those missions, how can Americans be sure that the Agency does not invade their privacy?

The 4th Amendment of the Constitution demands it... oversight committees within all three branches of the U.S. government ensure it... and NSA employees, as U.S. citizens, have a vested interest in upholding it. Respecting the law is only a part of gaining Americans' trust.

*********
This, from an agency that just finished refusing the DoJ and FCC to investigate what appears to be clear violations of the constitution...

Remind me later to send these guys an email saying thanks for the laff... oh never mind, they can just read it here. bastards.

Love the kid bit, nice recruiting stunt there. I bet if you dig hard enough you will find a "snitch on your folks" program in there somewhere

Heya, tonito! I'll take a pint of Guiness if ya got it! And stuff something in Albuquerque's mouth, willya? Preferably a dirty sock.

Albuquerque, I think that there were three of us who realize just how much garbage the whole arguement "Businesses will just leave if they can't get cheap immigrant labor" is. We understand that most of these jobs are hopelessly connected to resources here in the United States, but most don't appear to. Heck, they don't even realize how giving business access to an enormous immigrant labor force might affect the livelihoods of Americans who seek to shrink the gap between the wealthy and the poor not expand it further.

Looks like its been a fun day here in never never land.

At least the Mavericks pulled it off tonight.

Oh, nice to see ya, Martha....never heard of these channels before. Thanks for the info

Posted by tonitobandito on May 27, 2006 at 12:36 AM

Hey YOU! Loved your candy tonight! Don't you have company coming in?

Hey New Mexico........ don't start telling us how to blog now. Some of us have been here a long time and like to catch up with the regulars. WE are all HUMAN after all not blog BOTS! K?

oh shhiaaaaateeeeee

JohnClarke - Seems like a well rounded guy. Not to start or contribute to a fight I think John may have missed the delicate difference between legal and illegal immigration.

GregL,

MarthaA was just talking about FREE SPEECH and you want me to put a soak in it. Are you any better than the republicans?

Dawnie

Don't worry, Bruno told me to be nice tonight. Besides, I kinda like you.

Is this the Tom and Martha tag team from way back when?? (I was a lurker since the git go, but never logged on until I thought I HAD TO because of the troll infestation).

HI, Martha and Tom. Please don't copy and paste thousands of pages from some irrelevant book which has no context, nor LINK.

It is a Holiday (WHY???? It is a DAY TO REMEMBER THE DECORATED SOLDIERS! ((Originally called "Decoration Day")).....
AND A WEEKEND TO GET A GREAT DEAL on a flat screen TV.

Ok I'm reposting this LIST of all the CRAP that happened just THIS week in Washington so the ONE trick ponies who feel the NEED to argue that immigration debate is NOT all there is happening in this country. Just so they'll perhaps have ANY other opinions on ANY thing else. Then I'm heading to lala land to cop some Zzzzzzzzzzz's as Mike is about over! Peace my "FRIENDS"

What was the week's most important story in Washington?
Theft of Veterans Affairs Data
16%
Pres. Bush Admits "Missteps" in Iraq
4%
Senate Passes Immigration, Border Security Bill
27%
Guilty Verdicts in Enron Trial
21%
Senate Confirms Gen. Hayden as CIA Director
5%
Dispute Over FBI Raid on Rep. Jefferson's Office
12%
House Votes to Ban Direct Aid to Palestinians
2%
House Votes for Oil, Gas Drilling in Arctic Refuge
9%
Other
2%

DPD

I hear you. That long post of the 1993 Reid speech was an angry reaction on my part. As you know, I try not to be a blog hog. Hey, did I just capture a new term?

Posted by Marine on May 27, 2006 at 12:44 AM

I think they are aware of the issues, most of them at least. enough of them that understanding the finer points is not all that important.
Issues are:
-border is too open.
-illegal immigration is not good for anyone except businesses here that are forced to sell in a market with little or no disposable income.
-new immigration quotas are disproportional to the job creation curve.

Defining and redefining the issues, over and over ad nausem, does not cause solutions. You have repeatedly stated your view of the problem, so what say we moveon.org and you present some of your ideas to resolve the issues at hand?

Life in the U.S. changed after Regan took office. I met Regan and talked with him for about 10 minutes. He was a nice guy, but I disagree with his economic policies.
Before Regan, people were concerned about each other and their country. Ever since Regan came to office people changed to "It's all about Me". And that is the way U.S. Businesses are now.

Being a veteran I contacted the VA on the stolen data. It only affects veterans from 1975 to the present. You can keep track of what's going on at Veterans Info

Posted by Tom_Terrific on May 27, 2006 at 12:50 AM

You can tell Bruno I appreciate his changing his name. It really was a horrid thing to keep reading. Other than that I'm not that gullible...... but way too tired to argue.

gnite all! {{{hugs to all you hunkie man types especially my tonito ;-) }}}

{{TONITO!!!}}

I want a Mojito!!!

When you're being insulting, AlbuquerqueNo1, I will tell you to put a SOCK in it.

As to being better than the Republicans....I don't consider myself better than any group of people. Better than most Replublicans?...maybe. Better than certain Republicans?...definitely. You'll notice you haven't been detained and questioned without benefit of counsel.

Oh Tune, I've presented my solution. It involves using physical barriers, that aren't affected by a lack of interest or those who would assist those who illegally entered or remained in the United States, and extremely tought penalties for all those who violate our immigration laws.

Posted by Tom_Terrific on May 27, 2006 at 12:55 AM

Sorry, TT. That was in ref to a Husband and Wife tag team who would come on here and post ACRES and ACRES and screen YARDAGE of some weird Sci-Fi crapola, (which I guess they thought was relevent) and it would have NO context, nor POINT.

Maybe it is just a co-inky dinky that YOU (who ain't the same "Tom" ) and "Martha" (who so far ain't Tom's wife) showed up.

OK?

MARTHA... THE BOLD HURTS THE KIDS' EYES!! YOU ARE SCARING THE PETS!!!!

Posted by AlbuquerqueNo1 on May 27, 2006 at 12:57 AM

People are still concerned about each other and their country... Reagan didn't change much there.. his policy was however a major turning point, as that was the first time the economic policy for the entire nation was discarded and replaced with one to placate the masses while entrenching the rich into their position of being able to own the government.

Legalizing illegal immigration, what's next making drug dealers honorary pharmacists?

Posted by Marine on May 27, 2006 at 01:07 AM

multipart solution, so one part at a time to avoid confusion... by physical barrier do you mean a wall, or personell, both? something different?

I'm just not feeling the whole "give up and accept the fact that people will do things we don't want them to do" mentality. You either enforce your laws or your helping people break them. It's that simple.

Posted by Marine on May 27, 2006 at 01:09 AM

Works for me.

A wall and personel.

nice distraction. almost rovian. My question stands..

This of course would not be a problem if the Mexican government had not already achieved the sort of division of wealth that more and more Americans now seem willing to adopt.

So tell me, do you want to emulate Mexico?

I'll stop there. Have a nice night all. And do try and hang onto your dignity.

ok, wall and personel...

A wall is wishful thinking. show me a 50 foot wall, i'll show you a 51 foot ladder. it will cost billions upon billions for a 2000+ mile wall that will have the effect of adding about 5 minutes to a borderjumper's travel time.

Personel should be utilized most certainly. for the cost of 100 miles of wall they can have 10 years of effective border patrol.
Electronic surveilance should be added, initial cost investment with little in the way of upkeep expenses

Or whatever you kids are calling it these days, ;)

Posted by Marine on May 27, 2006 at 01:15 AM
most certainly... so we can add to your plan pressure on the mexican government to balance their books and fix the standards of living?

Goodnight Dawnie and DPD, sorry I missed ya leaving... ciao!!

No need to worry about my dignity....It's a part of me that no one can ever take away :)

because the greatest love of all

is happening to me

hi GregL--LTNS

Tune,

Clark AB put up an eight foot concrete fence around its 30 mile perimeter and it didn't stop the intruders. We need more than what we had, but true you can't rely on a fence.

nice distraction. almost rovian. My question stands..

Posted by Tune on May 27, 2006 at 01:14 AM

how about that creepy little item that happened today? (almost?) the head of the CIA with his tongue in the mouth of the beast. sexy, isn't it?

they don't need a bed. they've got the whole planet as their playground. and we're sucked into the void of the immigration playground.

hows tricks kids?

marine 12:44
If a business can't survive without slave labor,
......then it shouln't.

Nays ---15

Bayh (D-IN)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Obama (D-IL)
Specter (R-PA)
Wyden (D-OR)

most certainly... so we can add to your plan pressure on the mexican government to balance their books and fix the standards of living?

Posted by Tune on May 27, 2006 at 01:21 AM

Mexicans, Mexicans, Mexicans....will you all please stop it? Jeez, you'd at least think people here would know that of the 12-15 million economic refugees in this country, only about 20% are from friggin Mexico!

But yes, I agree that these countries that have people that are so desperate to escape need our help and influence to raise the standard of living. If only so the pressure on our borders will ease.

Heya, fade! I expect I'll be around more now..I've got my second wind (only took a few months)

Specter (R-PA)?

Not Voting - 7

Boxer (D-CA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dole (R-NC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Thune (R-SD)

Cept not any more tonight...time for bed here. Night all :)

fade2bluz,

Are you refering to the Senate Confirmation of Gen. Hayden as CIA Director?

As for the border, my husband says why don't they guard it like they guard area 54? Apparenty no one gets in there.

i keep getting my second wind and breaking it.

hows the political scene in my old stompin' grounds, GregL? deLay has a few more problems, yes?

how i want to see that trick in orange, treating us to some just desserts.

tonito, I didn't leave, and in fact I went onto your blog to leave you a message.

I couldn't figure out HOW to post there, so I didn't.

HEY----WHERE'S MY MOJITA??? Don't make me drink another one of those NEW BUD LIGHT'S OF WHICH THEY CHANGED THE RECIPE AND TRIED TO FOIST SOME FOUL TASTING CRAPOLA ON ME.

I am going to e-mail AB and ask them "WHAT...Ya T'ink I'm Stoopid????

I AM CALLING YOU OUT, AB, CHANGE IT BACK OR CHANGE THE NAME!!!

( If I wanted to drink crapola, I would drink Coors Lite, which I DON'T!!!)

P.S. Nice Ball Park, SHI**Y new recipe for what was ONCE a palatable brew.

CHANGE IT BACK!!!!!! (And right before the Summer you Republican JERKS!!!).

why, yes Alb.#1

The link isn't as obvious as i thought it might be. That's exactly to what I refer.

Interesting topic, doncha think?

they don't need a bed. they've got the whole planet as their playground. and we're sucked into the void of the immigration playground.

Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 01:30 AM

Oooh, I've missed statements like that! :)

{{{DPD}}}

hi honey, nice to see you in a cheerful mood!

Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 01:43 AM

The only thing I regret is that it's not Arizona, so he could be in pink, lol!

Ok, really going to bed now.

hoipolloi,

Because of the large area and the cost of man power. I worked in an area with a 10 mile perimeter that called for a minimum of 100 fully armed personnel for every shift. Not to mention the four fences with one wired with 10,000 volts.
The cost would be too much.

Posted by GregL on May 27, 2006 at 01:34 AM

aside from the odd batch of cubans that come in on floating trucks, the mexicans are the only ones who can (and do) sprint across the border. Yes they are a small percentage of refugees and/or immigrants. However, unless people overseas have suddenly learned to walk on water, the only ones in a position to stream across the border illegally are the canadians and the mexicans.
the canadians don't bother, because they hate american beer.
so, what are you left with? political correctness does not trump logic or fact.

goodnight {{{GregL}}}

peaceful rest and glad you're back!

Here's an interesting site many in the Sierra Club use for examining immigration and its cause and effect on urban sprawl, landfills, public education, county hospitals, and public schools among other things.

It is primarily a non-party affiliated Democrat site which questions the sustainability of our current immigration policies. Its conclusions are not racist just factual analysis.

http://numbersusa.com/index

fade2bluz

I agree, I thought alot of the republicans was against confirming him. Did you e-mail your Senator with your opinion? For some reason, he was confirmed quickly.

At any rate, i was attempting to draw marine out on his actual ideas. I'm sure he has stated them before, but they are usually mixed so thoroughly with statements saying everything we do and think is wrong that the points are entirely missed. He has some very good points, and he understands the problem. I give him that. So far, tho, no one has been able to understand his solutions.

Albuquerque
I thot it was mostly electronic gadgetry.
(whispering) he watches a lot of TV.

GregL
I heard the % from Mexico is 40.

News from the Hill:

FBI beefs up staff to probe pols
By Alexander Bolton

Federal law-enforcement officials say they witnessed a dramatic jump in campaign-finance and other election-related crimes in the 2004 presidential election year and are determined to beef up their policing of candidates running for federal and local office around the country this year.

Treat those who employ or otherwise aid persons here illegally to the absolute worst torture one could imagine. Give them to the governments from which those individuals fled. Ask that those governments imprison them for two months and then release them in the toughest area of their country from which they may make their way back to the United States. We'll call it sensativity training.

HEY, {{fade}} AVOID BUD AND BUD LIGHT!! They changed the recipes and tried to deny it, just like the typical PUG LIARS ALWAYS DO!..

NOW I'm stuck with an entire weekends worth of this crapola which "tastes" like (fill in the blank)

Clysedale P**S and they LIE about it

But, on a personal note, I was trying to get some tickets for the Cardinals (on line) and I tried to do it through the Cubs web site and I discovered that the CUBS WEB SITE IS CLOSED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON!!

(Just KIDDING!!)

As it turns out, the Cubs just can't put 3 "W"'s in a row.

Posted by AlbuquerqueNo1 on May 27, 2006 at 02:00 AM

I emailed my Senator this morning, thanking him. Senator Durbin is the best! Senator Obama is learning and he's been doing a lot better. Wish there were more like ours, here in the great state of Illinois. Our governor is awesome, too.

Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 02:02 AM

uh oh.. that can be good, that can be bad.. watch for imbalances in which party is targetted for investigation, but more importantly, on how their campaigns are interfered with.

For those of you discussing just what percentage of our criminal immigrants are Mexican I'll say this: The U.S. Government asks one question regarding race now, Hispanic or non-Hispanic. Oh and we get to push 2 for Spanish. Yes, I'm sure that much of this is the result of legal immigration, but don't forget we had an influx of illegal immigrants prior to '86 who must be considered when one looks to determine the total number of criminal immigrants we might expect to enter the country over a period of time. We might also compare these numbers in our attempts to determine just how much Reagan's Amnesty gift helped or hurt us in our attempts to regulate immigration since.

Tune, do you REALLY think the immigration debate was the only thing worth discussing tonight.

we have a freakin' GENERAL heading up the CIA, with the cojones to not retire. no one sees a problem here?

i'm too tired for the shell game, but it's the classic "lookie-heah" distraction.

enjoy, y'all...and sweet dreams.

fade & albuquerque
One of my Senators, Levin said he voted yea because the guy promised to act independently of the administration - something like that.
I usually like Levin. (He really grills them at the hearings.) I didn't like him this week tho cause of his vote Thursday but my gal, Stabenow, came through.
Anyway, when I heard his 'splaination I said "whaa??"
Goodnite everyone.

It is clearly not a solution to hide the number of individuals illegally entering or staying in the United States each year by increasing the number of immigrants allowed in to outrageously high numbers as appears to be the best solution that the Senate could come up with. My son use to think that all you had to do if you ran out of money was to right a check. Now, this isn't exactly righting a check as my son would have suggested but it amounts to pretty much the same thing. Hide the numbers daddy.

Nite, nite.

Posted by Tom_Terrific on May 27, 2006 at 01:59 AM

The Sierra Club is "primarily a non-party affiliated Democrat ..."

The contradiction in that statement almost makes sense in a nonsensical sort of way.

Are you talking about the same Sierra Club which was started by John Muir?

Wasn't Teddy R a Pug?

Posted by Marine on May 27, 2006 at 02:04 AM

looks good on paper, and enforces the concept that law breaking is not to be accepted..

however.... what chance is there that the USA could deport 11 million people, all of whom would undoubtedly lay claim to refugee status and would demand a hearing? by law they would have to get their hearing. Would cost many billions, and take many decades.

Also, the idea of having them jailed there is a total non-starter. first, that would justify their refugee claim, since one of the base claims for that status is the threat of imprisonment for political or other unjust reasons. They left cuz they thought the government sucked. leaving the country is not illegal, the way they entered the USA is but only in USA. So they broke no law there, jail is off the table.

I actully wrote a couple fairly long posts in this morning's open thread on just this topic, the possible options and the results of each.. rather than repost, read here and here

Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 02:11 AM

actually the CIA thing is a huge issue too.. however it is a potentially short-lived one, congress can out him first time he screws up.. and if the pugs lose 2008, as we expect them to, he will be replaced unless he is in fact doing what he's supposed to do.

DPD

The Sierra Club is primarily an environmental protector of this planet. From forests to rivers, to lakes to clean air thay fight to protect the environment from polluters.

DPD

The Sierra Club's members are more than 750,000 of your friends and neighbors. Inspired by nature, we work together to protect our communities and the planet. The Club is America's oldest, largest and most influential grassroots environmental organization.

The Sierra Club is a nonpartisan organization that works to support pro-environmental candidates for elected office. Our efforts range from voter education and grassroots action to candidate endorsements and direct candidate support.

And yes, Teddy R was a repug, but not like the repugs of today. Muir helped form an environmental organization called the Sierra Club on May 28, 1892 and was elected as its first president (a position he held until his death 22 years later).

TT, I KNOW what the Sierra Club is all about (I almost joined when I lived in Michigan, but the chicks were all vegetarians, HAHAHA) my comment was THIS (C & P):

It is primarily a non-party affiliated Democrat site which questions the....

How can it be "non-Party" affiliated Democrat" (WHERE IS THE I and the C?)

Internalized pejorative learned from the MSM.

That's all.