Memorial Day Open Thread
Memorial Day was originally known as Decoration Day because it was a time set aside to honor the nation's Civil War dead by decorating their graves. It was first widely observed on May 30, 1868, to commemorate the sacrifices of Civil War soldiers, by proclamation of General John A. Logan of the Grand Army of the Republic, an organization of former sailors and soldiers. On May 5, 1868, Logan declared in General Order No. 11 that:The 30th of May, 1868, is designated for the purpose of strewing with flowers, or otherwise decorating the graves of comrades who died in defense of their country during the late rebellion, and whose bodies now lie in almost every city, village, and hamlet churchyard in the land. In this observance no form of ceremony is prescribed, but posts and comrades will in their own way arrange such fitting services and testimonials of respect as circumstances may permit.
During the first celebration of Decoration Day, General James Garfield made a speech at Arlington National Cemetery, after which 5,000 participants helped to decorate the graves of the more than 20,000 Union and Confederate soldiers buried in the cemetery.
This 1868 celebration was inspired by local observances of the day in several towns throughout America that had taken place in the three years since the Civil War. In fact, several Northern and Southern cities claim to be the birthplace of Memorial Day, including Columbus, Miss.; Macon, Ga.; Richmond, Va.; Boalsburg, Pa.; and Carbondale, Ill.
In 1966, the federal government, under the direction of President Lyndon Johnson, declared Waterloo, N.Y., the official birthplace of Memorial Day. They chose Waterloo—which had first celebrated the day on May 5, 1866—because the town had made Memorial Day an annual, community-wide event during which businesses closed and residents decorated the graves of soldiers with flowers and flags.By the late 1800s, many communities across the country had begun to celebrate Memorial Day and, after World War I, observances also began to honor those who had died in all of America's wars. In 1971, Congress declared Memorial Day a national holiday to be celebrated the last Monday in May. (Veterans Day, a day set aside to honor all veterans, living and dead, is celebrated each year on November 11.)
Today, Memorial Day is celebrated at Arlington National Cemetery with a ceremony in which a small American flag is placed on each grave. Also, it is customary for the president or vice-president to give a speech honoring the contributions of the dead and lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. About 5,000 people attend the ceremony annually.
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Bombs Kill Dozens in Iraq, Including CBS Crew Members
BAGHDAD, Iraq (May 29) - CBS News said Monday that two of its crew members were killed in an attack on a U.S. military unit in Iraq. Correspondent Kimberly Dozier was seriously wounded, the network said.
The network identified the dead as cameraman Paul Douglas and soundman James Brolan.
The three journalists were embedded with a team from the Fourth Infantry Division when the convoy was struck by an improvised explosive device on Monday, CBS said.
That blast was one of many Monday and they came a day after a tribal chief who challenged Iraq's most feared terrorist and sent fighters to help U.S. troops battle al-Qaida in western Iraq was gunned down.
hi benji, it seems to be a particularly horrific day in an iraq that knows so many horrific days. and what do we get from our president? analogys about how
truman:cold war::bush:war on terror.
well i have another analogy to offer...
robert chambers:priviledges of wealth::
bush:presidential powers
Thread keeps moving on me,
I don't believe what I'm reading here. CHENEY BUSH far worse than we all could imagine.We should all be pushing for IMPEACHMENT! I wonder who knew about this before Hayden was confirmed.
Top Secret
Does The U.S. Government Have Too Many 'Secret' Documents?
"That fishing expedition extended to the National Archives in Washington. Quietly, the CIA and other government agencies were pulling public files from the shelves and stamping them secret."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/28/sunday/main1662865.shtml
Vets Fighting for Jobs on Home Front
While the job market may feel like it's starting to pick up for most Americans, veterans between the ages of 20 and 24 are three times as likely to be unemployed on average. While no one questions their bravery or work ethic, some employers may struggle to understand how their military skills will translate.
Oh, I see. Those who are still fighting "the lost cause" are patriotic?
DON'T BELIEVE THE LIE!
I think Momoaizo is correct about repeating a message often. Earlier, I had suggested a phrase that says: "This election is about preserving and protecting the Constitution". It says it all. What do you all think? Do you think that by repeating this often enough that folks will finally understand what's at stake here? By the way, I'm very new here. I'm from Northern California (Humboldt County). I've been reading this blog for about a year before finally posting for the first time on Wednesday.
I think I'll stop for lunch and figure out what thread I left off on later. This is so confusing. I guess I'll go back and finish what I started on the other threads first.
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 01:06 PM
dk2, is this the new White House "Stamp Out Democracy" strategy for the fall?
Why do I get the feeling Gonzales is at the bottom of this one, too? I wish he'd just get mad and take his Top Secret stamp and warrantless searches and go home....and take General NSA/FBI with him.
You do have to admit that they work well together as a secret police tag team for Notorious George and the rest of the crime family. I wonder what South American country they plan to "retire" to when the next administation begins to re-open up those "public" files. Nice that they are letting us know which ones might be of interest to prosecutors.
It's amazing. This administration operates just like a banana republic...right down to the irresponsible economic policy and intimidation of the legislative branch.
Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 12:41 PM
Thanks for the book recommendations, momo. I need to read that one Jen told you about. And I also need to get off my slacker ass and get going with the voter registration work.
tracy, thanks for the new thread to tread upon.
honorable memorial day to all.
this memorial day, we honors ours. we remember their sacrifices. what they gave and did for our country.
tomorrow we remember those, we do dishonor. the likes of george w bush, dick cheney, donald rumsfield... what they didn't sacrifice and what they didn't give nor do for our country.
Does ANYONE really believe that the Nazis in the White House aren't listening in on phone calls?
(snip)
The technical term for it is called "Caller ID spoofing," but it was only available to law enforcement agencies, private detectives and the geeks who knew how to do it.
.....
Whether you decide to use it or not, at least you know of its existence. Now you know to take what you see on your Caller ID's display with a grain of salt
.....
The next option lets you choose to disguise your voice. You can select either male or female, with the male voice having a slightly better quality. You're not going to fool anyone with these voices, as both of them sound electronically processed. They're going to know it's not a real person's voice. Still, either of them will effectively disguise your voice from its actual tonality.
The other option you can choose before the call is placed is to record the conversation. If you choose this option, both sides of the conversation will be recorded.
Everyone should watch this, especially after the post that Benji put at the top of the thread.
It is a an extremely powerful movie about the wounded and the soldiers that lost their lives for a lie by the President of the US.
I believe that the majority of our problems stem from Corporate Welfare/Regulatory Capture/Federal Taxpayers Subsidies to Business:
Corporate welfare corrupts the political process. One perverse, but predictable outcome of a $100 billion-plus corporate welfare state is that industry begins to view Congress, rather than consumers, as their real customers. Moreover, industry has done an all effective job at protecting their subsidies.
This is from a TESTIMONY of Stephen Moore
Director of Fiscal Policy Studies Cato Institute
Washington, D.C. before the Budget Committee
U.S. House of Representatives Corporate Subsidies in the Federal Budget on June 30, 1999
repeat from the top thread:
I want to take this day to give a special {{hug}} to all my fellow soldiers (marines,navy,AF,even the guard and reservists now realizing what it's like to serve FULL time 24/7 for the cause). No more weekend warriors indeed.
I only apologize that SOME of you got caught up in this illegal invasion and brainwashed into thinking it was some kind of holy war for the good of America! And not in fact for the corporate GREED of a small percentage of the top earners in this country.
I pray those of you that wish to return HOME will be able to do so and soon. I have no sympathy for the haters who joined only to "kill some foreigners" and have little patience with the brain dead parents of those good kids who were tricked into serving in this mess!
ALL others who have served with honor and dignity for the REAL causes of protecting this nation........... I salute you!
The BUCK for this SHAM stops at the TOP! We'll be investigating this fraud for years to come. I only hope GW and Chainsaw live long enough to be properly held accountable and driven to the nearest prison in chains!! where they belong! (rummy, condi,gonzalez and the others intimately involved as well)
Posted by Dawnie on May 29, 2006 at 02:09 PM
(msnbc) Blast kills 2 CBS News crew members in Iraq...Cameraman, soundman killed; correspondent Kimberly Dozier injured...Six U.S. soldiers and CBS correspondent Kimberly Dozier were wounded in the attack, the military said.
The attack came as the convoy passed through Tahariyat Square, just across the river from the Green Zone, around 10:30 a.m. Monday (3 a.m. ET).
The convoy victims were among at least 50 people killed in insurgent attacks in Iraq on Monday.
(cnn) KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- A deadly traffic accident Monday involving U.S. troops sparked the worst riot in the Afghan capital since the fall of the Taliban. At least eight people were killed and 107 injured, an official said.
lizzy,
this is a sad memorial day. and i'm sure a lot of people will see today with mixed feelings. honoring those yet wondering where this day with this horrific news out of iraq and now afghan' sliding backwards will all end. george bush reminds me of an arrogant child. warned to not disturb the "pottery (rule)" and he does as any arrogant immature child would do. then, photo ops on the 911 rubble to proclaim he'll get those responsible...dead or alive...to conviently invade iraq.
this question should be posed to this immature child, the cause of 911, where is osama on this memorial day?
Posted by america1st on May 29, 2006 at 02:14 PM
I'm not at all convinced that producing Osama at this point would do SQUAT for W. As a matter of fact, I am not at all convinced that he or his cohorts don't have Osama secretly tucked away somewhere outside the U.S. at one of those gulags (with a dialysis machine plugged in) awaiting for just the perfect moment say in OCT to bring him to some pretent court like where they have Hussein.
I am not at all convinced of that at all. Getting more suspicious every day with every leak and every news article that sees the light of day.
:-\
passin by
PEACE all!
America, I hear ya, Good Buddy! This is truly a sad day, but it has always been, remembering the souls that were lost during war. I cannot remember where I read it but someone commented that they felt the true meaning of Memorial Day was lost.
Lost among the hot dogs and hamburgers and beer all the picniking. I agree. Tell me one barbeque party that takes a moment of silence to remember the fallen before they start drinking and eating. We had a party yesterday, but today we are just remembering the fallen.
Oh America, I wish so much more could be done. I become so impatient. And that is where you will find me....planting the impatience in my garden.
AL GORE LIVE WEBCAST FROM EUROPE IS ON NOW dealing with Global warming.
Posted by cam58 on May 29, 2006 at 12:55 PM
Welcome cam58. Where abouts in Humboldt County do you live?
I was Consruction Engineer for the Six Rivers and lived in Eureka from 1971 to 1978 then moved on to the Stanislaus NF in Sonora.
Posted by cam58 on May 29, 2006 at 01:14 PM
hi cam58m, thanks!
Preserving and Protecting the Constitution is a great campaign cry...imho....
welcome to the blog, continue to contribute, i've seen you here off and on the last week? you have some good ideas...please join us....
Dawnie's idea is for us to become "The Dems of the Round Table"...thats pretty good too. Yea, Camelot, when dreams were dreamed...
welcome cam 58. nice to meet you. gonna go see the da vinci code for spite as the church has been pissing me off the past 50 years or so...but can i make it thru a 2.5 hour flick?? bbl.
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 01:06 PM
I doesn't make sense to classify all these old documents unless they are trying to hide something.
Hey Gregg, di ya read the book? Let us know how the movie is....enjoy!
and Dumpw, who would have thunk you were a Californ-I-A-en. My family is in Sonoma hugging the Buena Vista Winery.
And Greg, wow 50 years? You got a lot of patience, you will make it through the 2 and 1/2 hour flick.
Dems of the round table--Declaring our Independence from Tyranny!
I'm sure Pam has seen THIS, but Joementum walking in a Parade with the REPUBLICANS??? Wassup wi dat?
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 29, 2006 at 03:01 PM
I lived my whole life in California, born and raised in San Francisco. I am retired now and living in New Mexico. California was getting too crowded and expensive. My gg grandfather is buried at the Veterans Home Cemetery in Yountville. Do you live in CA?
dumpw,
Only in the summers for right now. New York is home.
THE SOUTH, POVERTY, AND INCOMPETENCE:
How will we honor the dead?
Funny sign I saw in AR the other day on an entrance to a sideroad of of a state hiway:
No Oilfilled Traffic
precious
Let's meet back here tomorrow and exchange email addresses so we can start getting this letter written....OK?
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 12:34 AM
Afternoon, momo. How do you propose exchanging email addresses?
Boy, howdy. That Gore Is A Smart Guy. And not stiff at all. He should have slapped the schmuck outta his "(mis)handlers".
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 02:58 PM
in the book "Worse Than Watergate" Dean talks about w's passion for hiding papers, to date he still hasn't turned over his from when he was govenor, still has something like 100 pages still refuses to give back, even tho court ordered them back...
here's a link to a blog that took place over a few days, they were talking about a firm called Wackenhut....a company that the shrubs don't want people to know that they were associated with....perhaps because of the ablility on the internet for many heads to get together and think, to bring in back-up for their thoughts and opinions, it is getting harder and harder for them to hide their crimes in the public anymore...perhaps this is why the bush administration wants to classify everything possible along with "privitizing" the internet....
***waving back to Lizzy***
oops forgot the link to that blog...here it is
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 03:23 PM
Bush is probably hiding his cowboy coloring books from when he was governor.
I'll bet they will try to restrict our access to the internet also. This should not be tolerated.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 03:21 PM
Hi DumpW, i propose one of two ways, you tell me what you think would be best....
1) Tracy has given us her email address : russot@dnc.org - we could email her and ask if she would pass the others address on, or
2) I could post my email address here for the world to see and you could email me
you decide...
unless they are PamB's panties
Posted by Coconut on May 29, 2006 at 05:40 AM
Alright now, Steve. You HAVE to stop obsessing about my panties!!!!! I told you before I do not wear any, yet you still fantasize about them. Tell you what to do, go buy a pair of panties at the store, put them on your Blow Up Date, and pretend they are mine!
You have to get past this, Steve! maybe double up on that medicine of your;s, too.
Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 02:22 PM
Afternoon all,
Remember when we used to wonder if Cheney was calling the Shots, and ole dubya was just the puppet! Well wonder no more.
WASHINGTON -- The office of Vice President Dick Cheney routinely reviews pieces of legislation before they reach the president's desk, searching for provisions that Cheney believes would infringe on presidential power, according to former White House and Justice Department officials.
The officials said Cheney's legal adviser and chief of staff, David Addington , is the Bush administration's leading architect of the ``signing statements" the president has appended to more than 750 laws. The statements assert the president's right to ignore the laws because they conflict with his interpretation of the Constitution.
The Bush-Cheney administration has used such statements to claim for itself the option of bypassing a ban on torture, oversight provisions in the USA Patriot Act, and numerous requirements that they provide certain information to Congress, among other laws.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/05/28/cheney_aide_is_screening_legislation/
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 03:31 PM
Thanks, I will send it to Tracy and have her forward it.
See y'all later. I have to go to town to buy some furniture for our new patio. Then I have to put it together, yuk.
Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 03:32 PM
PamB,
This guy has a lot in common with Rove and his obession with Hillary....
That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow himself to be open to the slightest possibility that he is harming another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior.
In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach.
Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice.
(Diane Wilson speaks from her soapbox)
Hi,DPD: No, I am not Martys58. It does seem strange that as soon as I posted, Martys58 popped up! Actually, "58" was the year I was born and "CAM" are my initials.
Dumpw: I live about 40 miles from Eureka off 299. Ever hear of Redwood Valley? It's beautiful and I can see Redwoods from my bedroom window. Anyway, that's where I live.
All the rest - Thanks. Yes, I'll blog away and if I can think of more ideas, I'll post them.
Momo,
Post your email at my site -- Dumpw go there and then I will delete it.
Something to think about:
Don't Let Cheney and His Circle of Madmen Use the World Cup to Launch an Attack on Iran
If you are so inclined, please pass it on... let's let these crazy bastards know we're watching them!
Have a nice day, and may peace be with you.
Blog ya later DumpW, she already has mine but i will email her and let her know what we are doing....
PeeWee - Yes war is hell, but I find this a little unnerving:
Afghans often complain about what they call the aggressive driving tactics of the U.S. military. Convoys often pass through crowded areas at high speed and sometimes disregard road rules. The U.S. military says such tactics are necessary to protect the troops from attack.
It was included in the article regarding the humvees that hit Afghan Civilians and then shot the rioters who reacted to the accident.
Not a good day in Kabul, Afghanistan.
And this is our success story??
Hey Lizzy, thanks, went there, can't figure out where to post it....help
DTree: I heard that the US qualified for the World Cup. So did Iran.
Sounds like treason to me.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 03:37 PM
Sounds like it, reads like it, if this is NOT treason? Nothing is!
But WHO is going to bring them to justice? I do NOT understand the weak kneed Democrats claiming their inability to do anything about this criminal behavior! WHY not BAN together and just WALK the HELL OUT???? Chicken chits!
bawk, bawk, bawk!
BAND not ban
and why doesn't someone KICK LIEBERMAN ON HIS ARSE!! He's the NEW ZELL MILLER!
DTree,
i'm sure shotgun dick has something more sinister. prompt isreal to attack iran...iran counters...shotgun cheney gets his wish and we're helping out isreal...another bushwar. then, they'll rattle north korea, venezuela, and maybe cuba...3 more wars to add. then, on next memorial day, we'll have more of our finest to remember.
Dumpw,
Just leave a comment and I will forward you the address
Posted by DTree on May 29, 2006 at 03:43 PM
Is that LUNATIC former Nazi Party, former Right winger, former Lefter than Leftist perpetual candidate out of prison already? Or are his lackeys using his name and picture. If I was in the least bit interested in what that moron has to say, I'd do some of that Brown Acid that gregg copped at Woodstock and play Dean Martin backwards on my BSR McDonald.
It would make more sense.
He is loonier than W, and I don't doubt for a minute that that assclown in the WH wants to end the world, just to cover up all his crimes.
i can set up a forum, if you register there then confirm your name here (so we know it's really you who has that name) you can get access to the main discussion threads. This will have a few benefits:
-Allows ideas to be categorised for easier organization into a final document
-allows easy searching
-will be troll free.
just a thought..
Interesting. Let me say that we are both right. The Pentagon has not yet learned the difference between a war and an occupation. Those are not good tactics in an occupation.
This guy has a lot in common with Rove and his obession with Hillary
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 03:41 PM
Hi Linda, I have watched this crazed old man in action for 2 years now, and he has not changed a line of his rhethoric. What wasn't funny 2 years ago, still is not funny, but he seems to think he has a sense of humor. Instead, it is the immaturity of a 9 year old boy.
You do have to feel sympathy though, for someone who has not one single solitary person in the world. You wonder when he last had a human touch!
I just laugh AT him now!
BTW, I happened to click onto C-span the other night and they were showing the British Parliament from a week ago.
Funny thing, Tony Blair was ALSO discussing Immigration problems in THEIR country. I wonder if Karl Rove told him to throw that out there, in an effort to try and make his approval rise?
Just like Bush, except for one thing. Bush is calling for Open Borders, Blair was calling for Securing his!
Posted by Tune on May 29, 2006 at 04:08 PM
just an fyi - 2 yrs ago I don't recall one person on here with their own website. Now everyone has one. Somehow we mostly all end up coming back here to meet.
yahoo has free email accounts you can use then delete as well.
May 29, 2006 | A Chicago artist builds a memorial to those killed in Iraq. US military deaths in Iraq total 2,465 to date and in Afghanistan 235, reports the Department of Defense. Ten American soldiers were killed last week.
(Photo: The Chicago Tribune)
Military Deaths
The Los Angeles Times
Sunday 28 May 2006
The Defense Department last week identified the following American military personnel killed in Afghanistan and Iraq or who died at a US hospital of their injuries:
David R. Christoff Jr., 25, of Rossford, Ohio; sergeant, Marine Corps. Christoff was one of two Marines killed Monday when a roadside bomb exploded near them while on patrol in Iraq's Al Anbar province, west of Baghdad. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force in Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii.
Lee Hamilton Deal, 23, of West Monroe, Louisiana; petty officer third class, Navy. Deal was killed in combat May 17 while serving with the Marine Corps' Regimental Combat Team 5, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was permanently assigned to the 2nd Marine Division Fleet, Marine Force Atlantic at Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Steven W. Freund, 20, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; private first class, Marine Corps. Freund was one of two Marines killed Tuesday when a roadside bomb exploded near their Humvee in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.
Michael L. Hermanson, 21, of Fargo, North Dakota; specialist, Army National Guard. Hermanson was killed Tuesday when his mine-protected vehicle was attacked with a rocket-propelled grenade and then came under small-arms fire while his unit was on patrol to clear roadside bombs near Balad, Iraq, north of Baghdad. He was assigned to the 164th Engineer Battalion, Army National Guard in Minot, N.D.
William J. Leusink, 21, of Maurice, Iowa; lance corporal, Marine Corps. Leusink was one of two Marines killed Monday when a roadside bomb exploded near them while on patrol in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force in Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii.
Christian Longsworth, 26, of Newark, New Jersey; staff sergeant, Army. Longsworth was killed May 19 when his convoy was attacked with small-arms fire in central Afghanistan's Oruzgan province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group at Ft. Bragg, N.C.
Kevin A. Lucas, 20, of Greensboro, North Carolina; lance corporal, Marine Corps. Lucas was killed in combat Friday in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marines, 2nd Marine Division, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Caleb A. Lufkin, 24, of Knoxville, Illinois; private first class, Army. Lufkin died during surgery Thursday at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., to treat injuries he suffered May 4 when a roadside bomb exploded near his mine-protected vehicle in Baghdad. Two other soldiers also were killed. He was assigned to the 5th Engineer Battalion at Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo.
Robert G. Posivio III, 22, of Sherburn, Minnesota; private first class, Marine Corps. Posivio was one of two Marines killed Tuesday when a roadside bomb exploded near their Humvee in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.
Benito A. Ramirez, 21, of Edinburg, Texas; lance corporal, Marine Corps. Ramirez was killed May 21 when a roadside bomb exploded near him in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.
War Casualties
Total US Deaths* as of Friday:
* In and Around Iraq: 2,465
* In and Around Afghanistan: 235
* Other Locations: 57
:-(( too many deaths, too many kids, babies, children, unknowing just WHY they are there and WHO they are supposed to shoot at or WHY??
just too sad........ I must go now. bbl.
Dawn,
Did you see Afghanistan is just as screwed up as iraq is? Taliban is right back where they were before, and Bin Laden still laughing his ass off at USA.
Republicans love to start wars, but they don't know how to fight them! bunch of War Mongers!
Yes Pammy I am caught up. :-(
Randi is soooooooo good today! I can't say much more. Except thank GOD for Air America!
L8tr G8tr!
Honor the Fallen
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Casualties in Iraq
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
Thank you again Lizzy for your help, Hey Dawnie, hope you are having another fine day.....
the other nite, Tom Terrific posted a link to the song A Song Of Peace, i tried going back to it to get the lyrics, remember singing that in church...
so I found the lyrics: A Song Of Peace
THIS IS MY SONG
This is my song, O God of all the nations,
A song of peace for lands afar and mine.
This is my home, the country where my heart is;
Here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine;
But other hearts in other lands are beating
With hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.
My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
And sunlight beams on clover-leaf and pine.
But other lands have sunlight too and clover,
And skies are everywhere as blue as mine.
Oh, hear my song, O God of all the nations,
A song of peace for their land and for mine.
My country, 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the pilgrims' pride,
From every mountainside,
A song of peace.
Arranged and performed by Harmonious Combustion
And a link to just the song and a link to the song and a video, put out by Cindy Sheehan....
if anyone wants to truly FEEL what Memorial day is all about, watch this.....
Another FYI, when this site started, there was a link feature to connect e addy to ones name. Because all the trolls (paid by the Heritage Foundation, BTW) spammed, and confiscated people's e-addies, most regulars stopped using that feature.
Some even had kiddie porn sent to their home and work computers.
The Pugs will stop at nothing less than the worst and lowest depths of the bowels of Hell just because they think it's fun.
Right after {{JOAN}} got the news that her son was being sent to Little Georgie's Hormone Spurt, some asswipe posted dozens of pictures and movies of people being beheaded, with a "lock on" feature so that the actual computer owner couldn't even use the ESC. BACK or Refresh keys until that video was done.
I naively clicked on one titled
"Hey Guys, Check THIS Out", which was posted by a hijacked name.
THIS IS WHY THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW WHICH NOBODY SEEMS TO WANT TO TELL "*SOMEONE*" ABOUT.
Name hijacking ain't cool.
The reason that I asked, is because "cam58", and "marty58" could have been the same "Marty in California 58", i.e., caM(arty)58.
K? My name has been hijacked several times, as have others'. With the implosion of the Pubie Party, it will only get more frequent.
"Republicans love to start wars, but they don't know how to fight them! bunch of War Mongers!"
pamb,
i'm also tired about hearing their spins... "militants" and "insurgents" and this "axis of evil" and "war on terrorism"
maybe, just maybe, after the recent news about iraqi civilians being murdered by a marine unit, today CBS reporters dying in iraq, and this now developing uprising in afghanistan americans will realize that maybe the "big-bad-boogie man" does not reside in iran, nor north korea, nor cuba, nor venezuela...it currently resides in the whitehouse.
Someone needs to take both Peter Beinart and Michael Tomasky to task.
These guys are still ignorant. Liberals are against this war, because we can smell a lie a mile away. Iraq has nothing to do with defeating terror. For two guys who seem to be stuck in 1948, they surely fail to learn from the past:
Most "hard" wars are unnecessary.
Korea? Vietnam? 1st Gulf War?
The "cold war" was unnecessary.
Ronald Reagan negotiated. (He also backed Saddam Hussein while "cutting and running" from Lebanon)
Exploding military budgets (most of the money never gets to the troops) criple the domestic economy (resulting in either increased taxes or generational debt).
And you wonder why there was no money to completely fix the New Orleans' levees (or how about any other major domestic need).
So, someone tell Peter Beinart to stop comparing the "war on terror" with the "cold war" (King George's talking points) and remind Michael Tomasky why we are REALLY the target of religious extremists: We stick our nose in EVERYONE'S business just a little too much.
Dawn, Did you see Afghanistan is just as screwed up as iraq is? Taliban is right back where they were before, and Bin Laden still laughing his ass off at USA. Republicans love to start wars, but they don't know how to fight them! Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 04:54 PM
And what gets me is how all the Afgans keep yelling "Death to Karzi! Death to Bush!" and Bush is trying to tell me the Afgans voted for Karzi by over 50%?
Afgans keep yelling "Death to Karzi! Death to Bush!"
I blame the President, he failed to equip the soldiers with the necessary equipment.
domingo,
we are not getting the full story here either. the rove-fox networks are giving us their soundbytes. one could only imagine the americans' rage if they knew what was being edited out. this is an unmemorial weekend for our finest stuck in afghanistan and iraq. and, some experts believe osama is in pakistan. and if that is the case, he'll be around for a lot more memorials. unless, we trade bush for osama.
The Taliban started off with appx 45,000 members. The last figures I saw was 4-5,000 killed or captured. I'd say their recruiting efforts are going better than ours and winters over. They are coming back to town from the hills and hollers and they are not going to be playing.
I blame the President, he failed to equip the soldiers with the necessary equipment.
yep lizzy,
he broke the "pottery rule." unfortunately, we the taxpayers, are stuck paying the price tag both in monetary terms and allowing our sons and daughters to shed their blood for his world-war-crusades.
The soldiers and the Marine were all killed by IED's. There exists such a thing as an IED jammer. For $47,000/vehicle, our children can be saved from most of the IED attacks. The Pentagon has decided that $47,000 is too much to spend to keep our children alive!!! Halliburton steals that much from the Pentagon before the CEO's first cup of morning coffee. For the two vehicles that were destroyed and the 6 of our children killed, it comes to a little over $15,000 per person. Not to be crass, but the government will be handing each family a check for $100, 000.00 soon (the deaths are still "pending") and $400,000.00 in insurance death benefits. I know each family would mortgage their homes, or sell their souls, if they knew it would have cost $15,000.00 to keep their precious family member alive.
What's worse, our troops in Iraq have not been given the equipment they need. According to the Pentagon, one-quarter of our soldiers lack the Kevlar vests and ceramic plating that can stop bullets fired from AK-47s or shrapnel from rocket-propelled grenades. Of the 15,000 Humvees in Iraq, fewer than 2,000 have the armored plating that can protect their occupants from roadside bombs.
I have heard from parents in Memphis who have been forced to buy protective gear to send to their sons and daughters in Iraq. Rushing this equipment to our soldiers should be our highest priority.
ok all, still need to visit family this memorial day, before the sunsets. will return later. honor our finest. trashing dictatorbush is encouraged.
I still haven't forgotten you General Sherman!
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.
(Chorus)
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His truth is marching on
Re: Taliban...
With all the media hype, a fact that was mentioned once or twice then discarded has been since forgotten..
Taliban = student. Thats what taliban means. we are talking about winning a war against students of a culture, an enemy who's forces are replaced with every graduating class, who have been indoctrined (correctly, perhaps) that their religion and the dominance of their own religion in their own country is being warred upon by those who seek profit...
I think we all know the determination of our own students, our own taliban. the 4 dead in ohio only steeled their resolve.
This is the force we fight there.
I got this in an email from a friend, it is worth watching...about 3/4 the way through, it hurts.
At least 40 people have been killed in a series of bomb attacks in and around the Iraqi capital, Baghdad. Full Story:
Posted by Tune on May 29, 2006 at 06:11 PM
Tune: over seven years ago I was reading about the Taliban, religious student fanatics that cut hands off if you steal, I read an article about a dad with several children and they cut his hands off (not one but both)because he had stolen food, with the way work is there it was basically a slow death sentence since he could not provide for his family it was the same for them. They were stoning women and men if they were caught talking to each other from other families, it wasnt allowed at all, marriages were pre arranged.
So call it student if you want, but seven years ago I was wondering why the UN wasnt doing anything and where were all the humanity groups because noone was shouting about the taliban, there was shouting about aparthied and somolia and everywhere else, but not the taliban
War Takes Its Toll on Overburdened Military Families
By Emily Yellin
The San Jose Mercury News
Their clerics teach no tolerance, it is total control or nothing, that is why Osama has enjoyed their company.
I was and am totally against the War Iraq so dont confuse my lamblasting the taliban, I was for cleaning them out of Afghanistan.
I guess we are all students in one fashion or another. I am a student of politics and philosophy.
I doesn't make sense to classify all these old documents unless they are trying to hide something.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 02:58 PM
Dumpw: the only thing seems that they are truly trying to hide something that they dont want the public to connect together. There would be no other reason, and now that the CIA has stamped them classified, I guess noone will be able to connect the dots.
saw the da vinci code. kind of fun and i hadn't read the book. also kinda stupid but then i don't expect much from films, just an escape. the big opus dei bishop was played by a guy who reminded me of that turd scalia so that was a good laugh....and the monk guy was sort of a karl rove type...
How's that new Government Bush was bragging about going??? ooops, not too good, I guess
A correspondent for American network CBS News was critically injured and her two-man British film crew were killed in one of the bloodiest days in Iraq for several weeks.
Evening all fine dems. I copied this from another blog. Its a wake up call to me...I didn't realize that locals really can have cable access. I am sharing in hopes that some of you might look into doing your own programs. My Friend's Post:
On the track of thinking globally but acting locally, consider this:
When (x) and I proposed having a primary candidates' forum sponsored by the grange that happens to be within our Community Planning Organization and the CPO (an advisory committee to the County Commissioners here), we were told nobody'd come. We said we'd get the candidates (23 out of 31 from the Governor's office to the County Clerk - 4 Federal candidates were working in Washington) if the Grange and CPO would get the audience. They had a crisis of confidence and we did better than they!) However, we taped it, (x) edited it, and it was aired locally on two different cable outlets with a potential audience of 200K people. I've had a surprising number of folks who recognized me (I was the MC) tell me they watched it.
The point is this: every place there's cable, there's a public access channel and a facility that will loan equipment and show you how to use it. Clackamas Democrats have a monthly TV show that has good success getting name brand politicos and issue experts. We even get Tom Hartmann of Air America to do a gig every now and then. We have our own set, run a fairly stable 7 man crew that covers a three camera set up. It's line edited and cable cast live and then repeated periodically during the month and on other cable outlets as well. If a show is particularly interesting, we find ways to publicize it. Active Democrats watch it regularly.
Public Access Cable is under used and potentially valuable. It costs absolutely nothing to use. We're in danger of losing it because the cable companies don't like paying for it. If you get your local party, clubs, and issue advocates to use it, and if you tell your reps you want it, we'll be able to keep it. It's the only place I know of that ordinary folks can reach an audience with their unfiltered message.
Find out from your cable company where their facility is; get in touch with your County party chair and promote a regular program; tape special events; tape training sessions - tape a door to door canvassing or telephone canvassing training session and then air it for those who could not attend. Unless it's a political ad, contains obscene material, or is technically deficient (that means that it's on the wrong medium, as garbled sound, or was shot in the dark) they have to air it. You then own the tape and can do with it what you want. If it's good enough, offer it to your State Committee. (x and I shot the Democratic Gubernatorial Debate a couple of months before the primary and gave the tape to the State Committee. It ran in Clackamas county and I understand they edited it further and used it in places outside of Metro Portland. We couldn't believe they hadn't thought of it themselves. We won't have to do it again.)
And there's no reason you can't do PSA's either. They really want material. We're working on a 30 second get out the vote spot; a support your library spot; and a series of short, illustrated readings from diaries kept by settlers who came by wagon to Oregon City (the end of the Oregon trail). We have gotten cooperation from both the Oregon Historical Society and the Oregon Trail Museum for that one. It's fun, with modern equipment, even numb knuckles like me can make good pictures. Even the sound is good - I have a leg up here because I did voice overs for a living in a previous life.
Look into it: your voice can be heard and your message amplified.
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 06:47 PM
you missed my point.. while true that they ruled with juvinile brutality and intollerance, it is also true that they were practicing a form of "islamic law". Saudi isn't much better in that track record. That set aside for the moment, consider these students themselves.
Brought up in a culture where the man rules the home and the mother says not a word in protest, and their religious leaders staunchly defend it, these young men can't help but feel it is the way things SHOULD be.
Now along comes America which previously, because it was advantagious to do so, had not so much as raised an eyebrow.. only now, they want to change things. they want to instill disobediance in women, they want to promote sex, they want the women walking around damn near naked and they want to rape islam for it's oil.
The truth of it is irrelivant. It's what they were weaned on, it's what they believe. Same way we were raised to believe that our government is on our side in the face of historical events which prove otherwise.
This is, and always has been (to them) a religiously motivated war. shrub doesn't help matters with his crap about talking to god. He makes it worse when he goes on television lighting candles for hanukka. and the troops are there to liberate the people from the evil of the religion they were raised on.
They cut off the hands of theives.. ask a muslim the best solution, he will say "don't steal".
when you tell them it isn't a war against islam, they don't believe you. that is the crux of it.
hypothetical reverse: say some jackasses got into the government here and started passing laws that covered women head to toe... the colleges would not stand for it, they would revolt. not because it shot a hole in the constitution, but because it would offend everything they have known from birth.
momo, i liked it. of course at the end after realizing that christ was mortal and had left a family behind the lead characters decide not to tell anyone... and there was great footage of all sorts of wonderful european sites.
Randi Rhodes is great today!
Posted by Dawnie on May 29, 2006 at 04:22 PM
Dawnie, I listened to the first hour. That psychologist (?) hit the nail right head. Chimp has severe mental handicaps. In other words he is nuts and we have to suffer under his warped personality.
We should require an IQ test for any future candidates.
I'm so tired of hearing about that bimbo in Aruba that I am beginning to wish she had never even been murdered.
Posted by Coconut on May 29, 2006 at 07:32 PM
Tracy,
The above comment is offensive.
It should be banned.
This morning on Meet the Press, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, delivered a strong rebuke of Bush’s assessment of what’s going on in the Middle East:
I think you could make a pretty strong case that things are worse off in the Middle East today than they were three years ago. By measurement of Iraq, by Iran, by the Palestinian-Israeli issue, what’s going on in Egypt. And, I think the United States must use its force of diplomacy to engage Iran.
Hagel isn’t alone in making his argument that the Middle East is worse off since the Iraq invasion.
domingo, we are not getting the full story here either. the rove-fox networks are giving us their soundbytes. one could only imagine the americans' rage if they knew what was being edited out. Posted by america1st on May 29, 2006 at 05:39 PM
Tell me about it. I found out they were yelling "Death to Karzai! Death to Bush!" from BBC News. The American news sources are all claiming they're only yelling "Death to American!"
Some liberal media we have, right? We have to get stories of Bush's Lies and Cheating from International sources!
Bush 'planted fake news stories on American TV'
Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products.
Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.
The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article621189.ece
betcha ole Mary Cheney is Soooo happy her book raved about how wonderful Republicans are!!!:)
Religious right using Mary Cheney's name for anti-gay fundraising
One of the lead religious right groups, the Family Research Council, is attacking Mary Cheney by name in a fundraising letter, and accusing the openly-gay daughter of the vice president of "working to undercut the importance of marriage to our survival as a society."
Here's a bit more from the email solicitation they sent out yesterday (full solicitation is below):
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/05/religious-right-using-mary-cheneys.html
is no "War on Terror."
There is, however, a "war" on the U. S. Constitution.
After September 11, 2001, we’ve learned that we can take a punch and move on. We’ve faced far worse threats to our national survival in our history - the Civil War, the War of 1812, World War II to name a few - but we never abandoned our Constitution. Until now.
Terror is an emotion. Emotions are part of human nature and cannot be eradicated. A "War on Terror" is therefore a war on humanity. The Bush administration has exploited the fear and shock of a nation in the wake of a surprising and dramatic act of violence to whip national fear and paranoia into a constant boil. Why?
The evidence suggests the whole point has been to seize power and steal money. We are witnessing a creeping coup in the United States, the overthrow of the idea, promulgated by our founders and by writers like Tom Paine, that the "Law is King:"
The "cold war" was unnecessary.
Ronald Reagan negotiated. (He also backed Saddam Hussein while "cutting and running" from Lebanon)
Posted by pee-wee on May 29, 2006 at 05:14 PM
"Timeline of Terrorism". I noted that after the bombing that killed 200 marines in Lebanon, reagan wanted to kick a** but it was never approved by his handlers. I believe CHENEY was his Secretary of Defense? Click on my name.
These repugs keep bad mouthing Bill Clinton about his lack of response to terrorism. I did note that one of the last time Iran pulled a terrorist act, Clinton apparently gave them and ultimatum of some kind that was immediately classified. He probably told them that if they pulled anymore terrorist acts they would be returned to the stone age.
A video clip of Hagel on "Press the Meat" is over at Crooks and Liars
one to send to all those Repugs who love to send you emails! :)
Anatomy of a Republican:
One of the lead religious right groups, the Family Research Council, is attacking Mary Cheney by name in a fundraising letter, and accusing the openly-gay daughter of the vice president of "working to undercut the importance of marriage to our survival as a society."
Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 08:01 PM
And she supports her a**hole father.
One of the lead religious right groups, the Family Research Council, is attacking Mary Cheney by name
Alan Keyes used to attack Mary Cheney by name too. Then his own daughter told him, "Dad, we have to talk."
Good Luck DumpW and Momoaizo!!
and Momo, check your email!!!
dumpw and William
Makes me laugh at how outraged Dickie Cheney must be-----that as much power has he loves to believe he has, he cannot control all the Republican Sheep!
As my children got older, I would give them a little more freedom coupled with more responsibility. And I told them they go hand in hand. Freedom of speech comes with a responsibility. Those naughty children like Coconuts who scream 'PHUCK' inside Walmart have not learned that lesson, and think they are being cute and clever. This is what we have to overcome, these home-schooled entitled brats that never learned how to behave in public. Much like their leader Dumya, born on third base and thinks he kicked a field goal.
But WHO is going to bring them to justice? I do NOT understand the weak kneed Democrats claiming their inability to do anything about this criminal behavior! WHY not BAN together and just WALK the HELL OUT???? Chicken chits!
bawk, bawk, bawk!
Posted by Dawnie on May 29, 2006 at 04:03 PM
Dawnie- I am really disappointed in the democrats in Congress. They should have walked out en-masse over every issue that violated the Constition and every issue that violated the middle class and the poor. Maybe they could have put a stop to this moronistration.
Repugs passed a anti-gay marriage amendment in secret behind closed doors, remember the one where Russ Fiengold and Alen Specter yelled at each other? The one where Alen Specter said he was against it but was going to vote yes for it anyway? Well that bill is just for "turning out the base" in the coming elections, because an amendment like that needs to be voted on in all fifty states. See, the republicans look upon "queer bashing" as the gift that "keeps on giving" and I'm sure they hope to use "immigrant bashing" in the same way too.
Here is part of the problem, the leader (dump Reid)!
"I'm not Goodie two shoes. I just feel these events are nothing I did wrong," Reid said.
Do these Senators and Reps get any training in what they cant and can do. Why would Reid think this it OK?
Senate Leader Took Free Boxing Tickets
I forgot who it was but there was a great idea posted the other day. Why not make election day a National Holiday. We would probably get a lot more people out to vote.
They could require it to be a paid holiday.
The more I think about it the more I am convinced that we have to get the money out of politics. ALL ELECTIONS SHOULD BE PUBLICLY FUNDED, PERIOD. If it is handled correctly, no rich person or corporation could ever again buy a Congressman, Executive Office appointee or Judiciary appointee. It is just mind boggling that the Walmarts, oil companies, Ace Hardware, etc., etc., etc. donate huge sums (that they saved on their lower income taxes) of money expecting FAVORS that screw the American people. We are being screwed from the back and the front.
This has to stop.
See, the republicans look upon "queer bashing" as the gift that "keeps on giving" and I'm sure they hope to use "immigrant bashing" in the same way too.
Posted by Domingo on May 29, 2006 at 08:33 PM
Another example of a hate crime perpetrated on the American people by the chicken hawk, pseudo religious evangelical a**holes in Congress.
Anyone who votes for the gay amendment should be charge with a hate crime and prosecuted.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 08:35 PM
By golly I think you are right, public funding, with a limited amount.
And One vote - one person.
Hiya Pammie,
I finished my deed for the day, should be some good letters soon from DumpW and Momo.
and I finished my Impatience Garden. My arms are killing me from moving all those rocks.
The Gay Republican: Oxymoron, or Just Moron?
Given that it's spring of an election year, one of the most beloved of all Republican rites is in full bloom: gay bashing. It's not enough that the state republican parties have specifically told gay men and women they are not welcome in the party, or that one by one, they are trying to amend state constitutions to prohibit gay marriage (which in most of these states is already banned by law); U.S. Senate Republicans have announced that they are planning, once more, to argue the need for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
This is a debate more urgent, they suggest, than the war in Iraq, immigration, education, or terrorism.
What's different this year is that it's not just the right-wing Republicans doing the bashing. The latest news is that the most gay-friendly of Republicans, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, is campaigning for arch-homophobes Senator Rick Santorum and Iowa's gubernatorial candidate Jim Nussle. In fact, the few non-right wing Republicans left in the party are all out on the campaign trail, avidly supporting the most extreme anti-gay rhetoric of their fellow party members.
So once more, in response to the new gay bashing, comes the old question: Why would any gay man or woman belong to a party that has stated, over and over, as clearly as can be, without equivocation, that he or she is not welcome?
more at... Huffington Post
Wow Lizzy...beautiful garden.
I posted at 7:23 about how, we, just regular people can be on cable. I am hoping that more dems realize that public access cable is one way to spread our messages.
Coconut:
I hope a big one falls on your head!
and squishes you like a bug on windshield.
I am forgoeing my ice cream tonight! I had an rasberry iced coffee.
{[Lizzy}}}
You're kiddin me that little 90 lb you, lifted those rocks!
I planted 11 flats (48 per flat) of those damn impatience on a hill of dirt I have in front.
Looks nice when finished, but a killer of a job.
This weekend we opened the pool, power washed the house, the outside tables, chairs, swings, benchs, etc. I painted a bunch of stuff,too. I hope to have a Lamont house party, so want to get things in order. I am headed to CA again to stay with my daughter in a couple weeks, so have to get it all done now.
Good evening, everyone.
momo, i liked it. of course at the end after realizing that christ was mortal and had left a family behind the lead characters decide not to tell anyone... and there was great footage of all sorts of wonderful european sites.
Posted by gregg on May 29, 2006 at 07:37 PM
gregg, I thought the albino priest was miscast. He didn't have pink eyes. And he had sort of a Peter Lorre demeanor.
I would have liked a more sinster characterization. Robert Novak is a real life Opus Dei member. I could see him in the part sneaking around and talking on the phone with the forces of evil.
Actually he's played the part in real life...regularly.
Did you figure out who Sophie was before the ending? I thought it was obvious in the book, but then you got a lot more background info about her upbringing.
I thought the background scenes about the early Catholic Church and Crusades were well done. You got a great feel for how political the Christian movement was in Europe....even before the Reformation.
Pammie, You opened the pool?? Oh, you must have a pool House party for Lamont. I will be there!!!
did you see this one, Lizzy? Howard Dean says he can not take sides in Any Primary:
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1362
And there is another race with a Progressive Dem going against an incumbent in CA:
The Winograd vs. Harman Dem house primary race on June 6 in CA is very much like our own Lamont vs. Lieberman primary race -
This link will tell you why; this race has all the same dynamics as our primary, except that Winograd cannot self-finance like Ned can -
and Pam, I hope that hill was in the shade because it was darn hot today.
Pam,
Not surprising that Dean cannot endorse, but he certainly could meet up with the new candidates and find out what their issues are. Great quote over at My Left Nutmeg:
Those footsteps you hear aren't just of Ms. Winograd and Mr. Lamont. They are from the millions of us who are fed up and very much mean to take our party and country back.
no, Lizzy, it is in full sun, but our sprinkler system went twice today.
I was thinking of doing a Pool and BBQ party for Ned as a fund raiser, but my husband thinks the liability would be too much.
I think the fact that Jim Dean and DFA has come out and supports Ned, speaks volumes about what Dean REALLY feels about these Center moving Dems!
I was reading how the Republicans, when their Wealthy backers started to revamp the party 40 years ago, worked to purge all the moderate and liberal Repubs from the party. They executed a take over of all the local politics. This is now what we must do. Go back to our Core Values.
Just do the House Party then, and invite whoever you want to jump in the pool afterwards. I will be the first.
My house party is on June 11th. And we are in the process of re-siding our house...there is no way it is going to be done, so the guests will just have to understand that it is a work in progress.