Memorial Day Open Thread
Memorial Day was originally known as Decoration Day because it was a time set aside to honor the nation's Civil War dead by decorating their graves. It was first widely observed on May 30, 1868, to commemorate the sacrifices of Civil War soldiers, by proclamation of General John A. Logan of the Grand Army of the Republic, an organization of former sailors and soldiers. On May 5, 1868, Logan declared in General Order No. 11 that:The 30th of May, 1868, is designated for the purpose of strewing with flowers, or otherwise decorating the graves of comrades who died in defense of their country during the late rebellion, and whose bodies now lie in almost every city, village, and hamlet churchyard in the land. In this observance no form of ceremony is prescribed, but posts and comrades will in their own way arrange such fitting services and testimonials of respect as circumstances may permit.
During the first celebration of Decoration Day, General James Garfield made a speech at Arlington National Cemetery, after which 5,000 participants helped to decorate the graves of the more than 20,000 Union and Confederate soldiers buried in the cemetery.
This 1868 celebration was inspired by local observances of the day in several towns throughout America that had taken place in the three years since the Civil War. In fact, several Northern and Southern cities claim to be the birthplace of Memorial Day, including Columbus, Miss.; Macon, Ga.; Richmond, Va.; Boalsburg, Pa.; and Carbondale, Ill.
In 1966, the federal government, under the direction of President Lyndon Johnson, declared Waterloo, N.Y., the official birthplace of Memorial Day. They chose Waterloo—which had first celebrated the day on May 5, 1866—because the town had made Memorial Day an annual, community-wide event during which businesses closed and residents decorated the graves of soldiers with flowers and flags.By the late 1800s, many communities across the country had begun to celebrate Memorial Day and, after World War I, observances also began to honor those who had died in all of America's wars. In 1971, Congress declared Memorial Day a national holiday to be celebrated the last Monday in May. (Veterans Day, a day set aside to honor all veterans, living and dead, is celebrated each year on November 11.)
Today, Memorial Day is celebrated at Arlington National Cemetery with a ceremony in which a small American flag is placed on each grave. Also, it is customary for the president or vice-president to give a speech honoring the contributions of the dead and lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. About 5,000 people attend the ceremony annually.
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Bombs Kill Dozens in Iraq, Including CBS Crew Members
BAGHDAD, Iraq (May 29) - CBS News said Monday that two of its crew members were killed in an attack on a U.S. military unit in Iraq. Correspondent Kimberly Dozier was seriously wounded, the network said.
The network identified the dead as cameraman Paul Douglas and soundman James Brolan.
The three journalists were embedded with a team from the Fourth Infantry Division when the convoy was struck by an improvised explosive device on Monday, CBS said.
That blast was one of many Monday and they came a day after a tribal chief who challenged Iraq's most feared terrorist and sent fighters to help U.S. troops battle al-Qaida in western Iraq was gunned down.
hi benji, it seems to be a particularly horrific day in an iraq that knows so many horrific days. and what do we get from our president? analogys about how
truman:cold war::bush:war on terror.
well i have another analogy to offer...
robert chambers:priviledges of wealth::
bush:presidential powers
Thread keeps moving on me,
I don't believe what I'm reading here. CHENEY BUSH far worse than we all could imagine.We should all be pushing for IMPEACHMENT! I wonder who knew about this before Hayden was confirmed.
Top Secret
Does The U.S. Government Have Too Many 'Secret' Documents?
"That fishing expedition extended to the National Archives in Washington. Quietly, the CIA and other government agencies were pulling public files from the shelves and stamping them secret."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/28/sunday/main1662865.shtml
Vets Fighting for Jobs on Home Front
While the job market may feel like it's starting to pick up for most Americans, veterans between the ages of 20 and 24 are three times as likely to be unemployed on average. While no one questions their bravery or work ethic, some employers may struggle to understand how their military skills will translate.
Oh, I see. Those who are still fighting "the lost cause" are patriotic?
DON'T BELIEVE THE LIE!
I think Momoaizo is correct about repeating a message often. Earlier, I had suggested a phrase that says: "This election is about preserving and protecting the Constitution". It says it all. What do you all think? Do you think that by repeating this often enough that folks will finally understand what's at stake here? By the way, I'm very new here. I'm from Northern California (Humboldt County). I've been reading this blog for about a year before finally posting for the first time on Wednesday.
I think I'll stop for lunch and figure out what thread I left off on later. This is so confusing. I guess I'll go back and finish what I started on the other threads first.
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 01:06 PM
dk2, is this the new White House "Stamp Out Democracy" strategy for the fall?
Why do I get the feeling Gonzales is at the bottom of this one, too? I wish he'd just get mad and take his Top Secret stamp and warrantless searches and go home....and take General NSA/FBI with him.
You do have to admit that they work well together as a secret police tag team for Notorious George and the rest of the crime family. I wonder what South American country they plan to "retire" to when the next administation begins to re-open up those "public" files. Nice that they are letting us know which ones might be of interest to prosecutors.
It's amazing. This administration operates just like a banana republic...right down to the irresponsible economic policy and intimidation of the legislative branch.
Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 12:41 PM
Thanks for the book recommendations, momo. I need to read that one Jen told you about. And I also need to get off my slacker ass and get going with the voter registration work.
tracy, thanks for the new thread to tread upon.
honorable memorial day to all.
this memorial day, we honors ours. we remember their sacrifices. what they gave and did for our country.
tomorrow we remember those, we do dishonor. the likes of george w bush, dick cheney, donald rumsfield... what they didn't sacrifice and what they didn't give nor do for our country.
Does ANYONE really believe that the Nazis in the White House aren't listening in on phone calls?
An answer for Caller ID
(snip)
The technical term for it is called "Caller ID spoofing," but it was only available to law enforcement agencies, private detectives and the geeks who knew how to do it.
.....
Whether you decide to use it or not, at least you know of its existence. Now you know to take what you see on your Caller ID's display with a grain of salt
.....
The next option lets you choose to disguise your voice. You can select either male or female, with the male voice having a slightly better quality. You're not going to fool anyone with these voices, as both of them sound electronically processed. They're going to know it's not a real person's voice. Still, either of them will effectively disguise your voice from its actual tonality.
The other option you can choose before the call is placed is to record the conversation. If you choose this option, both sides of the conversation will be recorded.
Baghdad ER
Everyone should watch this, especially after the post that Benji put at the top of the thread.
It is a an extremely powerful movie about the wounded and the soldiers that lost their lives for a lie by the President of the US.
I believe that the majority of our problems stem from Corporate Welfare/Regulatory Capture/Federal Taxpayers Subsidies to Business:
Corporate welfare corrupts the political process. One perverse, but predictable outcome of a $100 billion-plus corporate welfare state is that industry begins to view Congress, rather than consumers, as their real customers. Moreover, industry has done an all effective job at protecting their subsidies.
This is from a TESTIMONY of Stephen Moore
Director of Fiscal Policy Studies Cato Institute
Washington, D.C. before the Budget Committee
U.S. House of Representatives Corporate Subsidies in the Federal Budget on June 30, 1999
repeat from the top thread:
I want to take this day to give a special {{hug}} to all my fellow soldiers (marines,navy,AF,even the guard and reservists now realizing what it's like to serve FULL time 24/7 for the cause). No more weekend warriors indeed.
I only apologize that SOME of you got caught up in this illegal invasion and brainwashed into thinking it was some kind of holy war for the good of America! And not in fact for the corporate GREED of a small percentage of the top earners in this country.
I pray those of you that wish to return HOME will be able to do so and soon. I have no sympathy for the haters who joined only to "kill some foreigners" and have little patience with the brain dead parents of those good kids who were tricked into serving in this mess!
ALL others who have served with honor and dignity for the REAL causes of protecting this nation........... I salute you!
The BUCK for this SHAM stops at the TOP! We'll be investigating this fraud for years to come. I only hope GW and Chainsaw live long enough to be properly held accountable and driven to the nearest prison in chains!! where they belong! (rummy, condi,gonzalez and the others intimately involved as well)
Posted by Dawnie on May 29, 2006 at 02:09 PM
(msnbc) Blast kills 2 CBS News crew members in Iraq...Cameraman, soundman killed; correspondent Kimberly Dozier injured...Six U.S. soldiers and CBS correspondent Kimberly Dozier were wounded in the attack, the military said.
The attack came as the convoy passed through Tahariyat Square, just across the river from the Green Zone, around 10:30 a.m. Monday (3 a.m. ET).
The convoy victims were among at least 50 people killed in insurgent attacks in Iraq on Monday.
(cnn) KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- A deadly traffic accident Monday involving U.S. troops sparked the worst riot in the Afghan capital since the fall of the Taliban. At least eight people were killed and 107 injured, an official said.
lizzy,
this is a sad memorial day. and i'm sure a lot of people will see today with mixed feelings. honoring those yet wondering where this day with this horrific news out of iraq and now afghan' sliding backwards will all end. george bush reminds me of an arrogant child. warned to not disturb the "pottery (rule)" and he does as any arrogant immature child would do. then, photo ops on the 911 rubble to proclaim he'll get those responsible...dead or alive...to conviently invade iraq.
this question should be posed to this immature child, the cause of 911, where is osama on this memorial day?
Posted by america1st on May 29, 2006 at 02:14 PM
I'm not at all convinced that producing Osama at this point would do SQUAT for W. As a matter of fact, I am not at all convinced that he or his cohorts don't have Osama secretly tucked away somewhere outside the U.S. at one of those gulags (with a dialysis machine plugged in) awaiting for just the perfect moment say in OCT to bring him to some pretent court like where they have Hussein.
I am not at all convinced of that at all. Getting more suspicious every day with every leak and every news article that sees the light of day.
:-\
passin by
PEACE all!
Ralph Reed back in the news.
And here's my take on this asshat.
America, I hear ya, Good Buddy! This is truly a sad day, but it has always been, remembering the souls that were lost during war. I cannot remember where I read it but someone commented that they felt the true meaning of Memorial Day was lost.
Lost among the hot dogs and hamburgers and beer all the picniking. I agree. Tell me one barbeque party that takes a moment of silence to remember the fallen before they start drinking and eating. We had a party yesterday, but today we are just remembering the fallen.
Oh America, I wish so much more could be done. I become so impatient. And that is where you will find me....planting the impatience in my garden.
AL GORE LIVE WEBCAST FROM EUROPE IS ON NOW dealing with Global warming.
Posted by cam58 on May 29, 2006 at 12:55 PM
Welcome cam58. Where abouts in Humboldt County do you live?
I was Consruction Engineer for the Six Rivers and lived in Eureka from 1971 to 1978 then moved on to the Stanislaus NF in Sonora.
Posted by cam58 on May 29, 2006 at 01:14 PM
hi cam58m, thanks!
Preserving and Protecting the Constitution is a great campaign cry...imho....
welcome to the blog, continue to contribute, i've seen you here off and on the last week? you have some good ideas...please join us....
Dawnie's idea is for us to become "The Dems of the Round Table"...thats pretty good too. Yea, Camelot, when dreams were dreamed...
welcome cam 58. nice to meet you. gonna go see the da vinci code for spite as the church has been pissing me off the past 50 years or so...but can i make it thru a 2.5 hour flick?? bbl.
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 01:06 PM
I doesn't make sense to classify all these old documents unless they are trying to hide something.
Hey Gregg, di ya read the book? Let us know how the movie is....enjoy!
and Dumpw, who would have thunk you were a Californ-I-A-en. My family is in Sonoma hugging the Buena Vista Winery.
And Greg, wow 50 years? You got a lot of patience, you will make it through the 2 and 1/2 hour flick.
Dems of the round table--Declaring our Independence from Tyranny!
I'm sure Pam has seen THIS, but Joementum walking in a Parade with the REPUBLICANS??? Wassup wi dat?
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 29, 2006 at 03:01 PM
I lived my whole life in California, born and raised in San Francisco. I am retired now and living in New Mexico. California was getting too crowded and expensive. My gg grandfather is buried at the Veterans Home Cemetery in Yountville. Do you live in CA?
dumpw,
Only in the summers for right now. New York is home.
THE SOUTH, POVERTY, AND INCOMPETENCE:
How will we honor the dead?
Funny sign I saw in AR the other day on an entrance to a sideroad of of a state hiway:
No Oilfilled Traffic
precious
Let's meet back here tomorrow and exchange email addresses so we can start getting this letter written....OK?
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 12:34 AM
Afternoon, momo. How do you propose exchanging email addresses?
Boy, howdy. That Gore Is A Smart Guy. And not stiff at all. He should have slapped the schmuck outta his "(mis)handlers".
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 02:58 PM
in the book "Worse Than Watergate" Dean talks about w's passion for hiding papers, to date he still hasn't turned over his from when he was govenor, still has something like 100 pages still refuses to give back, even tho court ordered them back...
here's a link to a blog that took place over a few days, they were talking about a firm called Wackenhut....a company that the shrubs don't want people to know that they were associated with....perhaps because of the ablility on the internet for many heads to get together and think, to bring in back-up for their thoughts and opinions, it is getting harder and harder for them to hide their crimes in the public anymore...perhaps this is why the bush administration wants to classify everything possible along with "privitizing" the internet....
***waving back to Lizzy***
oops forgot the link to that blog...here it is
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 03:23 PM
Bush is probably hiding his cowboy coloring books from when he was governor.
I'll bet they will try to restrict our access to the internet also. This should not be tolerated.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 03:21 PM
Hi DumpW, i propose one of two ways, you tell me what you think would be best....
1) Tracy has given us her email address : russot@dnc.org - we could email her and ask if she would pass the others address on, or
2) I could post my email address here for the world to see and you could email me
you decide...
unless they are PamB's panties
Posted by Coconut on May 29, 2006 at 05:40 AM
Alright now, Steve. You HAVE to stop obsessing about my panties!!!!! I told you before I do not wear any, yet you still fantasize about them. Tell you what to do, go buy a pair of panties at the store, put them on your Blow Up Date, and pretend they are mine!
You have to get past this, Steve! maybe double up on that medicine of your;s, too.
Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 02:22 PM
Afternoon all,
Remember when we used to wonder if Cheney was calling the Shots, and ole dubya was just the puppet! Well wonder no more.
WASHINGTON -- The office of Vice President Dick Cheney routinely reviews pieces of legislation before they reach the president's desk, searching for provisions that Cheney believes would infringe on presidential power, according to former White House and Justice Department officials.
The officials said Cheney's legal adviser and chief of staff, David Addington , is the Bush administration's leading architect of the ``signing statements" the president has appended to more than 750 laws. The statements assert the president's right to ignore the laws because they conflict with his interpretation of the Constitution.
The Bush-Cheney administration has used such statements to claim for itself the option of bypassing a ban on torture, oversight provisions in the USA Patriot Act, and numerous requirements that they provide certain information to Congress, among other laws.
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 03:31 PM
Thanks, I will send it to Tracy and have her forward it.
See y'all later. I have to go to town to buy some furniture for our new patio. Then I have to put it together, yuk.
Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 03:32 PM
PamB,
This guy has a lot in common with Rove and his obession with Hillary....
That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive. Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow himself to be open to the slightest possibility that he is harming another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility for their behavior.
In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective, the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach.
Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is truly a disservice.
(Diane Wilson speaks from her soapbox)
Hi,DPD: No, I am not Martys58. It does seem strange that as soon as I posted, Martys58 popped up! Actually, "58" was the year I was born and "CAM" are my initials.
Dumpw: I live about 40 miles from Eureka off 299. Ever hear of Redwood Valley? It's beautiful and I can see Redwoods from my bedroom window. Anyway, that's where I live.
All the rest - Thanks. Yes, I'll blog away and if I can think of more ideas, I'll post them.
Momo,
Post your email at my site -- Dumpw go there and then I will delete it.
Something to think about:
Don't Let Cheney and His Circle of Madmen Use the World Cup to Launch an Attack on Iran
If you are so inclined, please pass it on... let's let these crazy bastards know we're watching them!
Have a nice day, and may peace be with you.
Blog ya later DumpW, she already has mine but i will email her and let her know what we are doing....
PeeWee - Yes war is hell, but I find this a little unnerving:
Afghans often complain about what they call the aggressive driving tactics of the U.S. military. Convoys often pass through crowded areas at high speed and sometimes disregard road rules. The U.S. military says such tactics are necessary to protect the troops from attack.
It was included in the article regarding the humvees that hit Afghan Civilians and then shot the rioters who reacted to the accident.
Not a good day in Kabul, Afghanistan.
And this is our success story??
Hey Lizzy, thanks, went there, can't figure out where to post it....help
DTree: I heard that the US qualified for the World Cup. So did Iran.
Sounds like treason to me.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 03:37 PM
Sounds like it, reads like it, if this is NOT treason? Nothing is!
But WHO is going to bring them to justice? I do NOT understand the weak kneed Democrats claiming their inability to do anything about this criminal behavior! WHY not BAN together and just WALK the HELL OUT???? Chicken chits!
bawk, bawk, bawk!
BAND not ban
and why doesn't someone KICK LIEBERMAN ON HIS ARSE!! He's the NEW ZELL MILLER!
DTree,
i'm sure shotgun dick has something more sinister. prompt isreal to attack iran...iran counters...shotgun cheney gets his wish and we're helping out isreal...another bushwar. then, they'll rattle north korea, venezuela, and maybe cuba...3 more wars to add. then, on next memorial day, we'll have more of our finest to remember.
Dumpw,
Just leave a comment and I will forward you the address
Posted by DTree on May 29, 2006 at 03:43 PM
Is that LUNATIC former Nazi Party, former Right winger, former Lefter than Leftist perpetual candidate out of prison already? Or are his lackeys using his name and picture. If I was in the least bit interested in what that moron has to say, I'd do some of that Brown Acid that gregg copped at Woodstock and play Dean Martin backwards on my BSR McDonald.
It would make more sense.
He is loonier than W, and I don't doubt for a minute that that assclown in the WH wants to end the world, just to cover up all his crimes.
i can set up a forum, if you register there then confirm your name here (so we know it's really you who has that name) you can get access to the main discussion threads. This will have a few benefits:
-Allows ideas to be categorised for easier organization into a final document
-allows easy searching
-will be troll free.
just a thought..
Interesting. Let me say that we are both right. The Pentagon has not yet learned the difference between a war and an occupation. Those are not good tactics in an occupation.
This guy has a lot in common with Rove and his obession with Hillary
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 03:41 PM
Hi Linda, I have watched this crazed old man in action for 2 years now, and he has not changed a line of his rhethoric. What wasn't funny 2 years ago, still is not funny, but he seems to think he has a sense of humor. Instead, it is the immaturity of a 9 year old boy.
You do have to feel sympathy though, for someone who has not one single solitary person in the world. You wonder when he last had a human touch!
I just laugh AT him now!
BTW, I happened to click onto C-span the other night and they were showing the British Parliament from a week ago.
Funny thing, Tony Blair was ALSO discussing Immigration problems in THEIR country. I wonder if Karl Rove told him to throw that out there, in an effort to try and make his approval rise?
Just like Bush, except for one thing. Bush is calling for Open Borders, Blair was calling for Securing his!
Posted by Tune on May 29, 2006 at 04:08 PM
just an fyi - 2 yrs ago I don't recall one person on here with their own website. Now everyone has one. Somehow we mostly all end up coming back here to meet.
yahoo has free email accounts you can use then delete as well.
The BIG Picture
May 29, 2006 | A Chicago artist builds a memorial to those killed in Iraq. US military deaths in Iraq total 2,465 to date and in Afghanistan 235, reports the Department of Defense. Ten American soldiers were killed last week.
(Photo: The Chicago Tribune)
Military Deaths
The Los Angeles Times
Sunday 28 May 2006
The Defense Department last week identified the following American military personnel killed in Afghanistan and Iraq or who died at a US hospital of their injuries:
David R. Christoff Jr., 25, of Rossford, Ohio; sergeant, Marine Corps. Christoff was one of two Marines killed Monday when a roadside bomb exploded near them while on patrol in Iraq's Al Anbar province, west of Baghdad. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force in Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii.
Lee Hamilton Deal, 23, of West Monroe, Louisiana; petty officer third class, Navy. Deal was killed in combat May 17 while serving with the Marine Corps' Regimental Combat Team 5, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was permanently assigned to the 2nd Marine Division Fleet, Marine Force Atlantic at Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Steven W. Freund, 20, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; private first class, Marine Corps. Freund was one of two Marines killed Tuesday when a roadside bomb exploded near their Humvee in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.
Michael L. Hermanson, 21, of Fargo, North Dakota; specialist, Army National Guard. Hermanson was killed Tuesday when his mine-protected vehicle was attacked with a rocket-propelled grenade and then came under small-arms fire while his unit was on patrol to clear roadside bombs near Balad, Iraq, north of Baghdad. He was assigned to the 164th Engineer Battalion, Army National Guard in Minot, N.D.
William J. Leusink, 21, of Maurice, Iowa; lance corporal, Marine Corps. Leusink was one of two Marines killed Monday when a roadside bomb exploded near them while on patrol in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force in Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii.
Christian Longsworth, 26, of Newark, New Jersey; staff sergeant, Army. Longsworth was killed May 19 when his convoy was attacked with small-arms fire in central Afghanistan's Oruzgan province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group at Ft. Bragg, N.C.
Kevin A. Lucas, 20, of Greensboro, North Carolina; lance corporal, Marine Corps. Lucas was killed in combat Friday in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marines, 2nd Marine Division, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Caleb A. Lufkin, 24, of Knoxville, Illinois; private first class, Army. Lufkin died during surgery Thursday at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., to treat injuries he suffered May 4 when a roadside bomb exploded near his mine-protected vehicle in Baghdad. Two other soldiers also were killed. He was assigned to the 5th Engineer Battalion at Ft. Leonard Wood, Mo.
Robert G. Posivio III, 22, of Sherburn, Minnesota; private first class, Marine Corps. Posivio was one of two Marines killed Tuesday when a roadside bomb exploded near their Humvee in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.
Benito A. Ramirez, 21, of Edinburg, Texas; lance corporal, Marine Corps. Ramirez was killed May 21 when a roadside bomb exploded near him in Iraq's Al Anbar province. He was assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.
War Casualties
Total US Deaths* as of Friday:
* In and Around Iraq: 2,465
* In and Around Afghanistan: 235
* Other Locations: 57
:-(( too many deaths, too many kids, babies, children, unknowing just WHY they are there and WHO they are supposed to shoot at or WHY??
just too sad........ I must go now. bbl.
Dawn,
Did you see Afghanistan is just as screwed up as iraq is? Taliban is right back where they were before, and Bin Laden still laughing his ass off at USA.
Republicans love to start wars, but they don't know how to fight them! bunch of War Mongers!
Yes Pammy I am caught up. :-(
Randi is soooooooo good today! I can't say much more. Except thank GOD for Air America!
L8tr G8tr!
Honor the Fallen
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
Casualties in Iraq
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
Thank you again Lizzy for your help, Hey Dawnie, hope you are having another fine day.....
the other nite, Tom Terrific posted a link to the song A Song Of Peace, i tried going back to it to get the lyrics, remember singing that in church...
so I found the lyrics: A Song Of Peace
THIS IS MY SONG
This is my song, O God of all the nations,
A song of peace for lands afar and mine.
This is my home, the country where my heart is;
Here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine;
But other hearts in other lands are beating
With hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.
My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
And sunlight beams on clover-leaf and pine.
But other lands have sunlight too and clover,
And skies are everywhere as blue as mine.
Oh, hear my song, O God of all the nations,
A song of peace for their land and for mine.
My country, 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the pilgrims' pride,
From every mountainside,
A song of peace.
Arranged and performed by Harmonious Combustion
And a link to just the song and a link to the song and a video, put out by Cindy Sheehan....
if anyone wants to truly FEEL what Memorial day is all about, watch this.....
Another FYI, when this site started, there was a link feature to connect e addy to ones name. Because all the trolls (paid by the Heritage Foundation, BTW) spammed, and confiscated people's e-addies, most regulars stopped using that feature.
Some even had kiddie porn sent to their home and work computers.
The Pugs will stop at nothing less than the worst and lowest depths of the bowels of Hell just because they think it's fun.
Right after {{JOAN}} got the news that her son was being sent to Little Georgie's Hormone Spurt, some asswipe posted dozens of pictures and movies of people being beheaded, with a "lock on" feature so that the actual computer owner couldn't even use the ESC. BACK or Refresh keys until that video was done.
I naively clicked on one titled
"Hey Guys, Check THIS Out", which was posted by a hijacked name.
THIS IS WHY THERE IS A FEDERAL LAW WHICH NOBODY SEEMS TO WANT TO TELL "*SOMEONE*" ABOUT.
Name hijacking ain't cool.
The reason that I asked, is because "cam58", and "marty58" could have been the same "Marty in California 58", i.e., caM(arty)58.
K? My name has been hijacked several times, as have others'. With the implosion of the Pubie Party, it will only get more frequent.
"Republicans love to start wars, but they don't know how to fight them! bunch of War Mongers!"
pamb,
i'm also tired about hearing their spins... "militants" and "insurgents" and this "axis of evil" and "war on terrorism"
maybe, just maybe, after the recent news about iraqi civilians being murdered by a marine unit, today CBS reporters dying in iraq, and this now developing uprising in afghanistan americans will realize that maybe the "big-bad-boogie man" does not reside in iran, nor north korea, nor cuba, nor venezuela...it currently resides in the whitehouse.
Someone needs to take both Peter Beinart and Michael Tomasky to task.
These guys are still ignorant. Liberals are against this war, because we can smell a lie a mile away. Iraq has nothing to do with defeating terror. For two guys who seem to be stuck in 1948, they surely fail to learn from the past:
Most "hard" wars are unnecessary.
Korea? Vietnam? 1st Gulf War?
The "cold war" was unnecessary.
Ronald Reagan negotiated. (He also backed Saddam Hussein while "cutting and running" from Lebanon)
Exploding military budgets (most of the money never gets to the troops) criple the domestic economy (resulting in either increased taxes or generational debt).
And you wonder why there was no money to completely fix the New Orleans' levees (or how about any other major domestic need).
So, someone tell Peter Beinart to stop comparing the "war on terror" with the "cold war" (King George's talking points) and remind Michael Tomasky why we are REALLY the target of religious extremists: We stick our nose in EVERYONE'S business just a little too much.
Dawn, Did you see Afghanistan is just as screwed up as iraq is? Taliban is right back where they were before, and Bin Laden still laughing his ass off at USA. Republicans love to start wars, but they don't know how to fight them! Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 04:54 PM
And what gets me is how all the Afgans keep yelling "Death to Karzi! Death to Bush!" and Bush is trying to tell me the Afgans voted for Karzi by over 50%?
Afgans keep yelling "Death to Karzi! Death to Bush!"
Domingo,
AFP has the story. The trouble began when a US vehicle appeared to lose control and smashed into other vehicles, according to an AFP photographer who was on the scene.
The military coalition said the accident, which may have been caused by faulty brakes, killed one person and injured several. People angered by the carnage started protesting and pelting the military vehicle with stones.
US troops then opened fire and killed at least four people, the photographer said. He said two men were shot dead next to him, and two other bodies were found after the burst of gunfire. Several people were wounded.
I blame the President, he failed to equip the soldiers with the necessary equipment.
domingo,
we are not getting the full story here either. the rove-fox networks are giving us their soundbytes. one could only imagine the americans' rage if they knew what was being edited out. this is an unmemorial weekend for our finest stuck in afghanistan and iraq. and, some experts believe osama is in pakistan. and if that is the case, he'll be around for a lot more memorials. unless, we trade bush for osama.
The Taliban started off with appx 45,000 members. The last figures I saw was 4-5,000 killed or captured. I'd say their recruiting efforts are going better than ours and winters over. They are coming back to town from the hills and hollers and they are not going to be playing.
I blame the President, he failed to equip the soldiers with the necessary equipment.
yep lizzy,
he broke the "pottery rule." unfortunately, we the taxpayers, are stuck paying the price tag both in monetary terms and allowing our sons and daughters to shed their blood for his world-war-crusades.
The soldiers and the Marine were all killed by IED's. There exists such a thing as an IED jammer. For $47,000/vehicle, our children can be saved from most of the IED attacks. The Pentagon has decided that $47,000 is too much to spend to keep our children alive!!! Halliburton steals that much from the Pentagon before the CEO's first cup of morning coffee. For the two vehicles that were destroyed and the 6 of our children killed, it comes to a little over $15,000 per person. Not to be crass, but the government will be handing each family a check for $100, 000.00 soon (the deaths are still "pending") and $400,000.00 in insurance death benefits. I know each family would mortgage their homes, or sell their souls, if they knew it would have cost $15,000.00 to keep their precious family member alive.
What's worse, our troops in Iraq have not been given the equipment they need. According to the Pentagon, one-quarter of our soldiers lack the Kevlar vests and ceramic plating that can stop bullets fired from AK-47s or shrapnel from rocket-propelled grenades. Of the 15,000 Humvees in Iraq, fewer than 2,000 have the armored plating that can protect their occupants from roadside bombs.
I have heard from parents in Memphis who have been forced to buy protective gear to send to their sons and daughters in Iraq. Rushing this equipment to our soldiers should be our highest priority.
ok all, still need to visit family this memorial day, before the sunsets. will return later. honor our finest. trashing dictatorbush is encouraged.
I still haven't forgotten you General Sherman!
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.
(Chorus)
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His truth is marching on
Re: Taliban...
With all the media hype, a fact that was mentioned once or twice then discarded has been since forgotten..
Taliban = student. Thats what taliban means. we are talking about winning a war against students of a culture, an enemy who's forces are replaced with every graduating class, who have been indoctrined (correctly, perhaps) that their religion and the dominance of their own religion in their own country is being warred upon by those who seek profit...
I think we all know the determination of our own students, our own taliban. the 4 dead in ohio only steeled their resolve.
This is the force we fight there.
Memorial Day Tribute
I got this in an email from a friend, it is worth watching...about 3/4 the way through, it hurts.
At least 40 people have been killed in a series of bomb attacks in and around the Iraqi capital, Baghdad. Full Story:
Posted by Tune on May 29, 2006 at 06:11 PM
Tune: over seven years ago I was reading about the Taliban, religious student fanatics that cut hands off if you steal, I read an article about a dad with several children and they cut his hands off (not one but both)because he had stolen food, with the way work is there it was basically a slow death sentence since he could not provide for his family it was the same for them. They were stoning women and men if they were caught talking to each other from other families, it wasnt allowed at all, marriages were pre arranged.
So call it student if you want, but seven years ago I was wondering why the UN wasnt doing anything and where were all the humanity groups because noone was shouting about the taliban, there was shouting about aparthied and somolia and everywhere else, but not the taliban
War Takes Its Toll on Overburdened Military Families
By Emily Yellin
The San Jose Mercury News
Their clerics teach no tolerance, it is total control or nothing, that is why Osama has enjoyed their company.
I was and am totally against the War Iraq so dont confuse my lamblasting the taliban, I was for cleaning them out of Afghanistan.
I guess we are all students in one fashion or another. I am a student of politics and philosophy.
I doesn't make sense to classify all these old documents unless they are trying to hide something.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 02:58 PM
Dumpw: the only thing seems that they are truly trying to hide something that they dont want the public to connect together. There would be no other reason, and now that the CIA has stamped them classified, I guess noone will be able to connect the dots.
saw the da vinci code. kind of fun and i hadn't read the book. also kinda stupid but then i don't expect much from films, just an escape. the big opus dei bishop was played by a guy who reminded me of that turd scalia so that was a good laugh....and the monk guy was sort of a karl rove type...
How's that new Government Bush was bragging about going??? ooops, not too good, I guess
A correspondent for American network CBS News was critically injured and her two-man British film crew were killed in one of the bloodiest days in Iraq for several weeks.
Evening all fine dems. I copied this from another blog. Its a wake up call to me...I didn't realize that locals really can have cable access. I am sharing in hopes that some of you might look into doing your own programs. My Friend's Post:
On the track of thinking globally but acting locally, consider this:
When (x) and I proposed having a primary candidates' forum sponsored by the grange that happens to be within our Community Planning Organization and the CPO (an advisory committee to the County Commissioners here), we were told nobody'd come. We said we'd get the candidates (23 out of 31 from the Governor's office to the County Clerk - 4 Federal candidates were working in Washington) if the Grange and CPO would get the audience. They had a crisis of confidence and we did better than they!) However, we taped it, (x) edited it, and it was aired locally on two different cable outlets with a potential audience of 200K people. I've had a surprising number of folks who recognized me (I was the MC) tell me they watched it.
The point is this: every place there's cable, there's a public access channel and a facility that will loan equipment and show you how to use it. Clackamas Democrats have a monthly TV show that has good success getting name brand politicos and issue experts. We even get Tom Hartmann of Air America to do a gig every now and then. We have our own set, run a fairly stable 7 man crew that covers a three camera set up. It's line edited and cable cast live and then repeated periodically during the month and on other cable outlets as well. If a show is particularly interesting, we find ways to publicize it. Active Democrats watch it regularly.
Public Access Cable is under used and potentially valuable. It costs absolutely nothing to use. We're in danger of losing it because the cable companies don't like paying for it. If you get your local party, clubs, and issue advocates to use it, and if you tell your reps you want it, we'll be able to keep it. It's the only place I know of that ordinary folks can reach an audience with their unfiltered message.
Find out from your cable company where their facility is; get in touch with your County party chair and promote a regular program; tape special events; tape training sessions - tape a door to door canvassing or telephone canvassing training session and then air it for those who could not attend. Unless it's a political ad, contains obscene material, or is technically deficient (that means that it's on the wrong medium, as garbled sound, or was shot in the dark) they have to air it. You then own the tape and can do with it what you want. If it's good enough, offer it to your State Committee. (x and I shot the Democratic Gubernatorial Debate a couple of months before the primary and gave the tape to the State Committee. It ran in Clackamas county and I understand they edited it further and used it in places outside of Metro Portland. We couldn't believe they hadn't thought of it themselves. We won't have to do it again.)
And there's no reason you can't do PSA's either. They really want material. We're working on a 30 second get out the vote spot; a support your library spot; and a series of short, illustrated readings from diaries kept by settlers who came by wagon to Oregon City (the end of the Oregon trail). We have gotten cooperation from both the Oregon Historical Society and the Oregon Trail Museum for that one. It's fun, with modern equipment, even numb knuckles like me can make good pictures. Even the sound is good - I have a leg up here because I did voice overs for a living in a previous life.
Look into it: your voice can be heard and your message amplified.
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 06:47 PM
you missed my point.. while true that they ruled with juvinile brutality and intollerance, it is also true that they were practicing a form of "islamic law". Saudi isn't much better in that track record. That set aside for the moment, consider these students themselves.
Brought up in a culture where the man rules the home and the mother says not a word in protest, and their religious leaders staunchly defend it, these young men can't help but feel it is the way things SHOULD be.
Now along comes America which previously, because it was advantagious to do so, had not so much as raised an eyebrow.. only now, they want to change things. they want to instill disobediance in women, they want to promote sex, they want the women walking around damn near naked and they want to rape islam for it's oil.
The truth of it is irrelivant. It's what they were weaned on, it's what they believe. Same way we were raised to believe that our government is on our side in the face of historical events which prove otherwise.
This is, and always has been (to them) a religiously motivated war. shrub doesn't help matters with his crap about talking to god. He makes it worse when he goes on television lighting candles for hanukka. and the troops are there to liberate the people from the evil of the religion they were raised on.
They cut off the hands of theives.. ask a muslim the best solution, he will say "don't steal".
when you tell them it isn't a war against islam, they don't believe you. that is the crux of it.
hypothetical reverse: say some jackasses got into the government here and started passing laws that covered women head to toe... the colleges would not stand for it, they would revolt. not because it shot a hole in the constitution, but because it would offend everything they have known from birth.
momo, i liked it. of course at the end after realizing that christ was mortal and had left a family behind the lead characters decide not to tell anyone... and there was great footage of all sorts of wonderful european sites.
Randi Rhodes is great today!
Posted by Dawnie on May 29, 2006 at 04:22 PM
Dawnie, I listened to the first hour. That psychologist (?) hit the nail right head. Chimp has severe mental handicaps. In other words he is nuts and we have to suffer under his warped personality.
We should require an IQ test for any future candidates.
I'm so tired of hearing about that bimbo in Aruba that I am beginning to wish she had never even been murdered.
Posted by Coconut on May 29, 2006 at 07:32 PM
Tracy,
The above comment is offensive.
It should be banned.
This morning on Meet the Press, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, delivered a strong rebuke of Bush’s assessment of what’s going on in the Middle East:
I think you could make a pretty strong case that things are worse off in the Middle East today than they were three years ago. By measurement of Iraq, by Iran, by the Palestinian-Israeli issue, what’s going on in Egypt. And, I think the United States must use its force of diplomacy to engage Iran.
Hagel isn’t alone in making his argument that the Middle East is worse off since the Iraq invasion.
domingo, we are not getting the full story here either. the rove-fox networks are giving us their soundbytes. one could only imagine the americans' rage if they knew what was being edited out. Posted by america1st on May 29, 2006 at 05:39 PM
Tell me about it. I found out they were yelling "Death to Karzai! Death to Bush!" from BBC News. The American news sources are all claiming they're only yelling "Death to American!"
Some liberal media we have, right? We have to get stories of Bush's Lies and Cheating from International sources!
Bush 'planted fake news stories on American TV'
Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products.
Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items.
The report, by the non-profit group Centre for Media and Democracy, found that over a 10-month period at least 77 television stations were making use of the faux news broadcasts, known as Video News Releases (VNRs). Not one told viewers who had produced the items.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article621189.ece
betcha ole Mary Cheney is Soooo happy her book raved about how wonderful Republicans are!!!:)
Religious right using Mary Cheney's name for anti-gay fundraising
One of the lead religious right groups, the Family Research Council, is attacking Mary Cheney by name in a fundraising letter, and accusing the openly-gay daughter of the vice president of "working to undercut the importance of marriage to our survival as a society."
Here's a bit more from the email solicitation they sent out yesterday (full solicitation is below):
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/05/religious-right-using-mary-cheneys.html
is no "War on Terror."
There is, however, a "war" on the U. S. Constitution.
After September 11, 2001, we’ve learned that we can take a punch and move on. We’ve faced far worse threats to our national survival in our history - the Civil War, the War of 1812, World War II to name a few - but we never abandoned our Constitution. Until now.
Terror is an emotion. Emotions are part of human nature and cannot be eradicated. A "War on Terror" is therefore a war on humanity. The Bush administration has exploited the fear and shock of a nation in the wake of a surprising and dramatic act of violence to whip national fear and paranoia into a constant boil. Why?
The evidence suggests the whole point has been to seize power and steal money. We are witnessing a creeping coup in the United States, the overthrow of the idea, promulgated by our founders and by writers like Tom Paine, that the "Law is King:"
The "cold war" was unnecessary.
Ronald Reagan negotiated. (He also backed Saddam Hussein while "cutting and running" from Lebanon)
Posted by pee-wee on May 29, 2006 at 05:14 PM
"Timeline of Terrorism". I noted that after the bombing that killed 200 marines in Lebanon, reagan wanted to kick a** but it was never approved by his handlers. I believe CHENEY was his Secretary of Defense? Click on my name.
These repugs keep bad mouthing Bill Clinton about his lack of response to terrorism. I did note that one of the last time Iran pulled a terrorist act, Clinton apparently gave them and ultimatum of some kind that was immediately classified. He probably told them that if they pulled anymore terrorist acts they would be returned to the stone age.
A video clip of Hagel on "Press the Meat" is over at Crooks and Liars
one to send to all those Repugs who love to send you emails! :)
Anatomy of a Republican:
One of the lead religious right groups, the Family Research Council, is attacking Mary Cheney by name in a fundraising letter, and accusing the openly-gay daughter of the vice president of "working to undercut the importance of marriage to our survival as a society."
Posted by PamB on May 29, 2006 at 08:01 PM
And she supports her a**hole father.
One of the lead religious right groups, the Family Research Council, is attacking Mary Cheney by name
Alan Keyes used to attack Mary Cheney by name too. Then his own daughter told him, "Dad, we have to talk."
Good Luck DumpW and Momoaizo!!
and Momo, check your email!!!
dumpw and William
Makes me laugh at how outraged Dickie Cheney must be-----that as much power has he loves to believe he has, he cannot control all the Republican Sheep!
As my children got older, I would give them a little more freedom coupled with more responsibility. And I told them they go hand in hand. Freedom of speech comes with a responsibility. Those naughty children like Coconuts who scream 'PHUCK' inside Walmart have not learned that lesson, and think they are being cute and clever. This is what we have to overcome, these home-schooled entitled brats that never learned how to behave in public. Much like their leader Dumya, born on third base and thinks he kicked a field goal.
But WHO is going to bring them to justice? I do NOT understand the weak kneed Democrats claiming their inability to do anything about this criminal behavior! WHY not BAN together and just WALK the HELL OUT???? Chicken chits!
bawk, bawk, bawk!
Posted by Dawnie on May 29, 2006 at 04:03 PM
Dawnie- I am really disappointed in the democrats in Congress. They should have walked out en-masse over every issue that violated the Constition and every issue that violated the middle class and the poor. Maybe they could have put a stop to this moronistration.
Repugs passed a anti-gay marriage amendment in secret behind closed doors, remember the one where Russ Fiengold and Alen Specter yelled at each other? The one where Alen Specter said he was against it but was going to vote yes for it anyway? Well that bill is just for "turning out the base" in the coming elections, because an amendment like that needs to be voted on in all fifty states. See, the republicans look upon "queer bashing" as the gift that "keeps on giving" and I'm sure they hope to use "immigrant bashing" in the same way too.
Here is part of the problem, the leader (dump Reid)!
"I'm not Goodie two shoes. I just feel these events are nothing I did wrong," Reid said.
Do these Senators and Reps get any training in what they cant and can do. Why would Reid think this it OK?
Senate Leader Took Free Boxing Tickets
I forgot who it was but there was a great idea posted the other day. Why not make election day a National Holiday. We would probably get a lot more people out to vote.
They could require it to be a paid holiday.
The more I think about it the more I am convinced that we have to get the money out of politics. ALL ELECTIONS SHOULD BE PUBLICLY FUNDED, PERIOD. If it is handled correctly, no rich person or corporation could ever again buy a Congressman, Executive Office appointee or Judiciary appointee. It is just mind boggling that the Walmarts, oil companies, Ace Hardware, etc., etc., etc. donate huge sums (that they saved on their lower income taxes) of money expecting FAVORS that screw the American people. We are being screwed from the back and the front.
This has to stop.
See, the republicans look upon "queer bashing" as the gift that "keeps on giving" and I'm sure they hope to use "immigrant bashing" in the same way too.
Posted by Domingo on May 29, 2006 at 08:33 PM
Another example of a hate crime perpetrated on the American people by the chicken hawk, pseudo religious evangelical a**holes in Congress.
Anyone who votes for the gay amendment should be charge with a hate crime and prosecuted.
Posted by dumpw on May 29, 2006 at 08:35 PM
By golly I think you are right, public funding, with a limited amount.
And One vote - one person.
Hiya Pammie,
I finished my deed for the day, should be some good letters soon from DumpW and Momo.
and I finished my Impatience Garden. My arms are killing me from moving all those rocks.
The Gay Republican: Oxymoron, or Just Moron?
Given that it's spring of an election year, one of the most beloved of all Republican rites is in full bloom: gay bashing. It's not enough that the state republican parties have specifically told gay men and women they are not welcome in the party, or that one by one, they are trying to amend state constitutions to prohibit gay marriage (which in most of these states is already banned by law); U.S. Senate Republicans have announced that they are planning, once more, to argue the need for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
This is a debate more urgent, they suggest, than the war in Iraq, immigration, education, or terrorism.
What's different this year is that it's not just the right-wing Republicans doing the bashing. The latest news is that the most gay-friendly of Republicans, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, is campaigning for arch-homophobes Senator Rick Santorum and Iowa's gubernatorial candidate Jim Nussle. In fact, the few non-right wing Republicans left in the party are all out on the campaign trail, avidly supporting the most extreme anti-gay rhetoric of their fellow party members.
So once more, in response to the new gay bashing, comes the old question: Why would any gay man or woman belong to a party that has stated, over and over, as clearly as can be, without equivocation, that he or she is not welcome?
more at... Huffington Post
Wow Lizzy...beautiful garden.
I posted at 7:23 about how, we, just regular people can be on cable. I am hoping that more dems realize that public access cable is one way to spread our messages.
Coconut:
I hope a big one falls on your head!
and squishes you like a bug on windshield.
I am forgoeing my ice cream tonight! I had an rasberry iced coffee.
{[Lizzy}}}
You're kiddin me that little 90 lb you, lifted those rocks!
I planted 11 flats (48 per flat) of those damn impatience on a hill of dirt I have in front.
Looks nice when finished, but a killer of a job.
This weekend we opened the pool, power washed the house, the outside tables, chairs, swings, benchs, etc. I painted a bunch of stuff,too. I hope to have a Lamont house party, so want to get things in order. I am headed to CA again to stay with my daughter in a couple weeks, so have to get it all done now.
Good evening, everyone.
momo, i liked it. of course at the end after realizing that christ was mortal and had left a family behind the lead characters decide not to tell anyone... and there was great footage of all sorts of wonderful european sites.
Posted by gregg on May 29, 2006 at 07:37 PM
gregg, I thought the albino priest was miscast. He didn't have pink eyes. And he had sort of a Peter Lorre demeanor.
I would have liked a more sinster characterization. Robert Novak is a real life Opus Dei member. I could see him in the part sneaking around and talking on the phone with the forces of evil.
Actually he's played the part in real life...regularly.
Did you figure out who Sophie was before the ending? I thought it was obvious in the book, but then you got a lot more background info about her upbringing.
I thought the background scenes about the early Catholic Church and Crusades were well done. You got a great feel for how political the Christian movement was in Europe....even before the Reformation.
Pammie, You opened the pool?? Oh, you must have a pool House party for Lamont. I will be there!!!
did you see this one, Lizzy? Howard Dean says he can not take sides in Any Primary:
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1362
And there is another race with a Progressive Dem going against an incumbent in CA:
The Winograd vs. Harman Dem house primary race on June 6 in CA is very much like our own Lamont vs. Lieberman primary race -
This link will tell you why; this race has all the same dynamics as our primary, except that Winograd cannot self-finance like Ned can -
and Pam, I hope that hill was in the shade because it was darn hot today.
Pam,
Not surprising that Dean cannot endorse, but he certainly could meet up with the new candidates and find out what their issues are. Great quote over at My Left Nutmeg:
Those footsteps you hear aren't just of Ms. Winograd and Mr. Lamont. They are from the millions of us who are fed up and very much mean to take our party and country back.
no, Lizzy, it is in full sun, but our sprinkler system went twice today.
I was thinking of doing a Pool and BBQ party for Ned as a fund raiser, but my husband thinks the liability would be too much.
I think the fact that Jim Dean and DFA has come out and supports Ned, speaks volumes about what Dean REALLY feels about these Center moving Dems!
I was reading how the Republicans, when their Wealthy backers started to revamp the party 40 years ago, worked to purge all the moderate and liberal Repubs from the party. They executed a take over of all the local politics. This is now what we must do. Go back to our Core Values.
Just do the House Party then, and invite whoever you want to jump in the pool afterwards. I will be the first.
My house party is on June 11th. And we are in the process of re-siding our house...there is no way it is going to be done, so the guests will just have to understand that it is a work in progress.
Lizzy,
do you still have my email address? i got dumpw's and sent him a copy of what i have written so far, but would love to have more input from people here. please contact me.
thanks!
Left Wing Democrats are fools if they think the Immigration issue is going away. The Democrats has been a minority in both the House and Senate for ten years. The Democrats lost the Presidential election in 2000. The Democrats didn’t even win the Presidential election in 2004 against the pitiful excuse for a president, GWB. And now they think they can take back the Senate and House in November. The Democrat’s base is now made up of only the Gays and a group of women who were stupid enough to have sex with out protection (those who support the Right to Abortion Issue). This is because the Left Wing Democrats will not listen to those who are concerned about a “Peasant Work Force in the United States”. The Left Wing Democrats are calling this Racism (which it is not) and won’t even listen to those Democrats who are concerned about it. Well CLOSE only counts in House Shoes and Hangranaids. WE have put up with the whining from the Gays and that group of women who were stupid enough to have sex with out protection (those who support the Right to Abortion Issue) about their issues but now when Labor has an issue that they are concerned about, the DNC alienates every individual who wants to discuss it. I ask you, why should we continue to support the Gay Movement and the Pro-Abortion issues when you and the DNC won’t even listen to us about our side of the Immigration Issue.
For those of you on this Blog who refuse to listen to us, then turn off your computers and get a real life.
This issue is not going away, only the would be Democratic Voters are going away and going to vote for candidates who listens to them (those 75% of Republicans who have enough guts to stand up against GWB’s desire for a Peasant Work Force in the United states).
I am tired of listening to the Left Wing Democrats blaming GWB for the War when it was the Democrats who voted for the War in the first place. I am ashamed of the Democratic Party’s “Lets start a War but I don’t want to fight” attitude. Yes I have been a Democrat all my life along with all of my family but we are all ashamed of the DNC now. You and the DNC refuse to listen about our and millions of other U.S. Citizens’ concerns about a “Peasant Work Force in the United States”. The DNC may gain the 11 million votes of the Peasants but you are going to loose 22 million votes from U.S. Citizens. The Democratic Politicians should represent the citizens of the United States and not citizens from other countries. We are the ones who voted for the Democratic Politicians last time but if they continue not listening to us, don’t count on use voting for them the next time.
Remember: “Every Vote Counts”, and as quoted from:
“Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the head of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, agreed that Democrats have not sealed the deal. "I think if the election were held today, there is a 50-50 chance of taking the House and the Senate and a very high percentage of gaining a significant number of seats," Schumer said.”
So, if I were you, I wouldn’t be turning away voters.
This is just another post and run blogger, he was in here the other day and posted almost the same thing, but never stayed around to discuss....don't bother....
Speaking of preferring a dem candidate doesn't get the nomination...I posted this on another thread where we were discussing the dem nomination for President:
On Sen. Clinton:
I believe that any dem nominee would make alternative energy a priority.
I read "Living History" by H Clinton. It is a fabulous book.
Sen. Clinton has many good ideas for the country, yet she is less likely to make the sweeping changes in the corporate systems, that I wish for. However, I do not know of any potential candidate that would do this.
The problem that I see for the country if Clinton runs is that I am POSITIVE that people will turn out in droves to vote against her. The media has turned her into a horrible monster in so many people's opinion. I believe that the Rep. party is well aware of this and is helping to promote her candidacy.
Naturally I would do whatever I could to help get her elected if she wins the dem nomination. I am very much hoping that she does not.
Deb,
I agree whole heartedly on that one, Mrs. Clinton may have made a good candidate, but the pugs have vilified her to the extent that she would be a negative at this point.
Feingold on the other hand....would make a FINE candidate!
Oh and Hi Momo and Lizzy. I've been short on time lately and try to catch a bit of this fabulous blog when I can. My hat is off to those of you who are doing the work of keeping progressive thoughts and links flowing out into cyberspace. Thank you and all of the great dems who post here regularly!!!!!
The blog is visited and links and ideas are shared!!!
Deb, I am sorry, I meant to answer you before. Thanks for your kind words. I hope that all this pays off in the voting booths in November or our country is doomed!
and Pam, I hope that hill was in the shade because it was darn hot today.
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 29, 2006 at 09:04 PM
WE had our A/C on for the first time today! It's still on. Even though I should be used to it being from FLA..... it was very weird anyway. I have gotten used to listening to all the wildlife out in the woods behind us. Birds of every kind almost noisey at times. I'm already missing it. But, who wants to sweat? Oh well. Summer is much shorter in the mountains. It won't be long.
I've not worked on my website really in a while but I did put up some pics of my area if you all want to see. I didn't take them myself. I found someone else who did and linked to it.
Evening Knights!! How goes the ROUND TABLE? :-)
Senator Clinton running for president sounds too much like George Jr. running for president for me to even consider the thought. We need new blood, period.
Posted by Marine on May 29, 2006 at 10:02 PM
it was Bush then Clinton then Bush and I don't WANT ANOTHER CLINTON either!
so we agree!
I have been on Wes Clarks mailing list since before he became a candidate for 04. He is so brilliant and does not have the ego problem that so many pols have. I believe that he would search for the "ultimate solution" to all of the issues that arise. He is my first choice. I would still love to see Howard get the nomination. He, also, is brilliant and seeks what is right. I would be pleased to see Edwards, Gore or Feingold.
If we wanted to pull a rabbit out of the hat for a sure win, I think Oprah would be extremely progressive and guaranteed to win.
Posted by xdebx on May 29, 2006 at 10:07 PM
U had me until the Oprah bit.
hehe Deb she has a PUG for a BF.
I just don't trust that
Times plans frontpage story on Democratic leader
RAW STORY
Published: Monday May 29, 2006
The New York Times Mark Leibovich plans a frontpage story on a "confident" Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Tuesday, RAW STORY has learned.
[Madame Speaker of the House?]
"Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., teeters on a fine line between the need to say what Democrats plan to do if they win the House and the danger of speaking too soon," Leibovich writes.
"I don't want to appear overconfident," Pelosi, the House minority leader, who nonetheless can appear quite confident, tells the Times. 'She is sitting in an office that, she often notes, belonged to Tip O'Neill "when he was speaker." After November, she hopes -- or expects -- to assume that mantle. The notion of Democrats winning a congressional majority is hardly the pipedream it was 18 months ago.
Hey Albequerque, tell me what you think about this. I use to support the right to abortion, without question. Then it occured to me that our society might take the thought of abortion much more lightly than any society of humans who ever walked the face of the Earth.
I considered its previous uses and available, concluded that it was available for use when necessary but was rarely used outside those instances. I like this idea of responsible use.
Then it came to me. Abortion is a service provided to young women for a price. What if some particularly deviant individuals were to use the women's right movement to sell not only their service but even the mindset required to make it easily attainable? At this point the true reason for men's absence from this discussion occured to me. The right of the father was not included in the discussion because it simply would have made selling abortion more difficult.
Today I am truly sickened by those who provide the service when there is no need. I still respect the women who choose to have this service performed. It is also obvious that men should be a part of this decision whenever possible as they stand to lose as much as women.
Hi Dawnie and Deb.
Oprah's Steadman represented Armstrong Williams when he was lying his @ss off about No Child Left Behind, shilling for Bush (and a couple thousand dollars).
How many of you could sleep with a reThug? ew
Oprah's boyfriend is a pug?
One night several of us were blogging here and tried to think of someone who would be guaranteed to win. Somebody famous who has shown true progressive values and her name came up. But I have wondered why she has completely stayed off of the "hot button" topics instead of using her show to educate people about them.
Can you think of someone who would be a guaranteed win?
you MEN need to stay the HELL out of ANY decisions for OUR bodies ya hear???????
just never you mind! OH I'm gonna start a drive to Neuter all men who commit abuse against ANY and ALL women!
snip snip
Oprah is so darn commercial she makes me ill. Most of her shows nowadays are about celebrities or something else foolish. I'm not sure that her human interest pieces are there to promote her show yet or not, but they seem to do the trick even though they are infrequent.
That's retarded Dawn. Obviously you see something wrong with a man being protective of his offspring. You can't possibly confuse that with abuse though can you?
Speaking of fake news, "Media Matters"; by Jamison Foser is a long, excellent look at why "framing" is only a drop in the bucket.
If you have time, please make it a point to read this one. We must be the media--and this piece will remind you of what we've all forgotten.
Deb
there is no ONE candidate that would speak to everyone obviously as MOST men think they have some damn right to judge and choose what women will do with their own bodies still to this day 2006!!
They are so afraid of losing control over women. I think we need to take the OVERLY hormonal ones and equalize their sperm counts to calm them the heck down! Turn them back to the sweet boys their mothers once loved!
Your bodies? I hardly think that something created by a man and a woman can be confused with something that is simply a woman's issue, or solely of her body.
And resorting to abusive language. You should know better than that.
Hey Fade...was it you that likes the video clips?
This has zero to do with politics...but I found it quite cute...Sobriety test
Posted by Marine on May 29, 2006 at 10:22 PM
you prove your ignorance with your first calling names then equating a ZYGOTE with someones already born offspring
who's the MORON???????? Jar HEAD!!!
Deb, there is no guaranteed win until we take back the Congress and then take back the media. Remember the Swift Boat liars? Lie after lie, and repeated by the Attack Poodles on the "news" shows.
We need publicly funded elections. The press whores are the only ones profiting from the t.v. campaigns. The lobbyists are pimping it.
hey, did this happen to anyone else? when i refreshed just now, i had to sign back in....
suppose it's change of shift time at the NSA?
I'd see the point to your tantrum if you have been abused. But it still does not account for the fact that the beginings of life that you seek to erase was not placed there mearly through the actions of the female and then should not be confused as an issue for the female alone to consider.
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 10:24 PM
ouch!
{{{Dawnie}}} and {{{dk2}}}
men fear powerful women, in some cases. perhaps they know, all too well, what they deserve. or maybe they know that women talk about everything!
Calm yourself and be serious for a change Dawn. You're considering only your side of the issue and that my dear is simply selfish. Decisions made in selfishness simply aren't good.
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 10:28 PM
that used to happen more than I've noticed lately
something to do with your cookies
Get used to the fact that a man does play a part in the creation of life and thus has say in issues concerning that life. Your reign is at an end.
Fade: That's why I post the RESTORE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE every chance I get. It is the very first thing that must be done. The neocons were quite clever when they rescinded it in 87 and were thereby able to rake both of the Clinton's over the coals during that administration...and avoid mentioning any important truths now.
It needs restored and shored up so that the media has a legal obligation to educate people. If a poll says that 35% of the country believes that Hussien helped orchestrate 9/11 the media is brainwashing the public...and that is criminal in my opinion.
Posted by Marine on May 29, 2006 at 10:30 PM
if you are gonna try to get all religious on me than forget it .............. I don't buy it!
I am sick of MEN who think they have any rights to tell a woman diddly about what SHE will do with her own body!!!
Now if she's got a heart beat other than her own ..... that to me is a different story! I'm not a believer of late term abortions unless the health of the mother is at risk.
Other than that? It's nada, zip, zilch, zygote!
That is well known. I don't appreciate intrusive men. AT all! Yes I will GO OFF! I"m passionate about that subject. We all have our pet peeves! That's one of my biggies!! Maybe cuz I am a WOMAN!! it's personal that way.
lol
Talk about possessive. Those two feel so confident that women own this issue that they are willing to threaten castration simply because one man mentioned that a man might have a say in the issue.
Deb, thanx for the movie!
hi momo!
Dawnie, do you subscribe to Air America? I'm thinkin' about signing up for premium...do you get to hear music instead of that techno music and gawd-awful commercials?
Posted by Marine on May 29, 2006 at 10:31 PM
poppy cock!!
ok you've called me retarded and selfish........ that's about enough. I'm ignoring you as you can NOT talk w/out throwing stones! You are now dead to me. Good luck JERKOFF! (ya it was my turn)
You think so lowly of the gift of life. I can't relate to that.
LOL Dawn go look at what you said before I ever got into calling you anything.
Hey dk2,
got part of that LTE written, mind if i email to you for any input?
you too lizzy....would you send me your email address or should i send it to your website?
how about you Deb, would you be interested in contributing?
Keep your laws off my body was printed on my favorite t-shirt in the eighties. I got it at the Democratic National Convention in 1984. That was right about the time Negroponte and these evil bastids were wreaking havoc in Nicaragua and el Salvador.
FADE yes I listen to AA but don't pay for it nor would I.
SHOOT Mike is on right? Turning it on now! Randi was great today!
simply because one man mentioned that a man might have a say in the issue.
Posted by Marine on May 29, 2006 at 10:37 PM
um, might be the "man" sayin' it, too. should we think highly of that same deposit if it's in a used hanky, too?
The trouble for the trolls is that their immigration issue is such a non-issue with most Americans.
The Republicans want to fan the fires of bigotry and fear some other way since the War of Terror is now a bust.
But at the same time they need the cheap labor to keep their profit margins up. So they are fighting with themselves....and the two conflicting bills in Congress prove it. And when that happens in the Beltway, average Americans say to themselves this is all political hype...who cares?
So the trolls come here screaming about ostercizing people they actually need to make their dreams of superiority and financial success come true....and then wonder why no one is impressed.
Even the media has moved on to the next issue. It's all about Katie Couric leaving the Today Show this week, the CBS news crew being blown up in Iraq (don't the trolls hate it when people seem to care more about the mess in Iraq than the threat of aliens), and of course the biggest news story of our time --- Brad and Agelina's new baby.
The trolls should just return to Rush and O'Reilly and complain. The rest of America is anxiously awaiting baby photos....even Faux News.
Don't like the Aruba story? Tough luck, we are all stuck with it. That poor girl has taken on the persona of Chandra Levy aka O.J.'s dead wife aka Tanya Harding aka Who shot J.R.
Most Americans don't give a damn about politics unless they lose their jobs (Democrats) or the stock market goes down (Republicans). But the one thing both groups are sick of is this stupid occupation in Iraq.
The war overshadows everything except maybe Katrina.
IMHO, the ONLY time a man can have a say about what can be done with what is in a woman's womb is if he put it there to begin with and will be there if it is born!
momo, I received your draft. I will try to come up with some wording and an ending. Tomorrow I have a preconstruction meeting for a street rehab project in my nearby town.
I'm not looking for law either, by the way, I'm simply looking for a simple atmosphere in which women and men are encouraged to discuss these things together without the interfearance of outside influence. If you think that the two immediately involved should not take this opportunity to think things through, well then I think that your thoughts are not in the proper place.
This is a very centrist, but logical post from another blog:
I don't believe that a mother and the child should die from a tubal pregnancy. I don't believe that a raped woman should be forced to carry the child. I also know (from studying personality traits of identical twins raised apart, that genetics plays a role in behavior) a rapist may well produce a child that has the same propensity for rape as an adult. Victims of rape frequently do not report the crime, especially date rape and rape committed by relatives. Pregnancy is difficult and a woman's body is never the same afterward, I cannot support laws that would require that a girl/woman have to have a child in the case of rape. If we demand that a raped person get permission from a judge to have an abortion then it will always be the word of the male against the word of the female. Juries are very hesitant to convict a rapist. So many rape victims will be accused of being a lying promiscuous girl/woman and not be allowed an abortion and many girls/women who really are lying will be allowed the abortion. Courts don't have a crystal ball, they are just people who believe the most convincing person. It is a no win situation.
Laws against abortion will not work anyway. Abortion was illegal when I was a teen. It did not stop abortions. Abortions did not increase after Roe v. Wade and it stands to reason that they will not decrease if R v. W is overturned. I, also, knew of girls who said that they would have an abortion if they became pregnant...abortion being illegal won't stop it. Abortions occur in every country in the world. Tribal peoples have abortion tools in their medicine kits. Ancient societies had abortion. If R v. W is overturned many states will continue to have legal abortions. Middle class and rich girls who believe that abortion is their only choice will fly to where it is legal, poor girls/women will be the ones at risk of dying from self induced (or unsafe provider) abortions, even if they were raped. It is something that will never be stopped.
DumpW,
Have made some changes and have a "sorta" ending check your email...let me know....
Bravo, SandyH!!!
(bowing out of respect)
You sure damn well hit the nail on the head!
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 10:46 PM
he still has no say imo
men lie (more often than women)
it's real easy for them to spit some sperm!
Women that choose to LET the man impregnate them have already decided to KEEP the baby and were probably not raped or abuse in the first place! That's a generic statement but usually the case!
of course married couples CHOOSE to have babies!! off course! Happy married couples do NOT choose abortion!!
Your reign is at an end.
Posted by Marine on May 29, 2006 at 10:33 PM
so it's time for the avenging angel to bring in the "Kreschun Taliban", eh rush? feel like you've lost your edge now that women are so uppity we claim rights to our own reproductive system?
you poor thing, feeling so impotent and marginalized...you know, women actually have children without men...and provide for them quite nicely.
It sickens me that all these ugly issues associated with abortion come up whenever the word is mentioned. I have news for you, the people who talk about these things are not the same ones running around doing those cruel things, because they would have to care enough to even consider the issue and they obviously don't or else they wouldn't be doing the things they are doing.
Hey there Dawnie!! (wink, wink)
And xdeb, WAR EAGLE!!
Personally, I don't think a man has a right to decide anything for a woman that deals with her own health and well being.... unless she was my wife and everybody here on the blog knows that ain't happening anytime soon!!! LOL
You have a problem fade? Maybe you should see a therapist, because I can't help you with this hate of all mankind you've got going on.
I see deeply hurt women taking something out on the only man who bothers talking about an issue that concerns them. Once again, those men you fear would not bother talking about it.
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 10:40 PM
Hey momo: sure send it to me, do you still have my e address?
Posted by fade2bluz on May 29, 2006 at 10:51 PM
yea did you hear about the young teenage wife who's body was found mutilated recently by her marine husband who just got home from Iraq (3 tours I think?)
yea I bet she was all excited about that (before the first cut) makes me SICK!! They need medication upon return from war immediately!! Then years and years of sessions with a shrink!
Women be warned! Don't try to wake them up while they sleep. You may end up dead!
Marine, honey...actually it's directed only at you.
We've already been down this road. YOU said you'd go away. I wish you were a man of your word.
You, sir, lie.
Jesus you just keep getting more and more discusting and hurtful. So who hurt you and how badly Dawnie?
Can you think of someone who would be a guaranteed win?
Posted by xdebx on May 29, 2006 at 10:19 PM
We need a president with a brain and who cares about the American people as a whole. I also think Feingold would make an excellent candidate. It sounds like he would stand up and tell the repugs to stuff it up their a** if they gave him any s**t. Hopefully he will run in 2008. I am anxiously awaiting more news and actions.
Posted by tonitobandito on May 29, 2006 at 10:54 PM
Aw schucks! I was kinda hoping for a Will and Grace Fall Extravaganza!!
What with Iraq, Katrina, widespread Republican corruption and cronyism, skyrocketing gasoline prices with no relief or coherent energy plan in sight, massive deficits as far as the eye can see to fund tax cuts for the super-rich and, maybe most importantly, Osama, Zarqawi and their partners in crime in al Qaeda still running amok plotting against us despite our government desperately conducting rampant illegal warrantless spying and torture – your eyes are probably blurry by now – any Republican who still thinks Bush and the Republicans are doing a “heckuva job” is either lying or deluding him or herself.
Let’s face it, Bush and Republican leadership have “jumped the shark.”
The only real Big White Elephant question left for Republicans is this: are Bush and his Republican buddies in Congress the worst in American history?
For those who would like some food for thought or disagree with this premise, please read:
A comprehensive analysis by distinguished historian Sean Wilentz, in which he states that Bush & crew are “headed for colossal historical disgrace. . . . Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history . . . . George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." . . . . Calamitous presidents, faced with enormous difficulties -- Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Hoover and now Bush -- have divided the nation, governed erratically and left the nation worse off.” http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/9961300
Many conservatives agree.
Conservative Doug “Mac in the Morning” McIntyre in his recent “Apology from a Bush Voter” doesn’t bother to ask the question whether Bush & crew are the worst in history, but just gets right to it and explains at length how they are, in fact, the worst in history: http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning
Joe Scarborough – appropriately disgusted with the Republicans’ massive and desperate illegal warrantless spying program -- observes that America rightfully doesn't trust Bush & crew anymore: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Scarborough-Country-BigBrother.mov
And for the more cerebral Republicans, even the normally dependable David Brooks threw up his hands and said on PBS recently that it would be good for America if the Democrats in midterm elections won one or both Houses of Congress. Brooks also writes, "For God's sake, Republicans, show a little moral revulsion. Back in the dim recesses of my mind, I remember a party that thought of itself as a reform, or even a revolutionary, movement. That party used to be known as the Republican Party. I wonder if it still exists." http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F20810F63A540C768CDDA80894DE404482
In addition to Mac in the Morning, Joe Scarborough and David Brooks, here are some more conservatives or ex-conservatives (those got so fed up with conservative shenanigans that they quit the party) that also know the Republicans have failed badly: Brent Scrowcroft, Jim Jeffords, David Brock, Bruce Bartlett, Tom Clancy, George Will, Andrew Sullivan, Arianna Huffington, Paul O’Neill, Tom Friedman, Richard Clarke, Rand Beers, Paul Pillar, Colin Powell, Larry Wilkerson, John DiIulio, Tony Snow (and somehow that was before he joined the White House), Arlen Specter, Alfonse D’Amato (calls Republicans “the gang that can’t shoot straight), Newt Gingrich (suggests that Democrats campaign by simply asking, “Had enough?”), an unprecedented number of ex-Generals, and even Michael Brown (blaming White House for Katrina) and Jack Abramoff (turned State’s evidence).
So please, let us know if you think Bush and his Republicans buddies in Congress are the very worst in history, or just really really bad. (Or feel free to let us know if you are still dreaming the dream that Republicans are doing a heckuva job).
And get out to other boards to help those in America who are still dreaming that our Republican leadership is not a complete catastrophe!
Posted by fade2bluz on May 29, 2006 at 11:01 PM
BINGO! I can attest to reading that myself! Lies lies!
Dawnie, sometimes even married couples chose not to continue a pregnancy...
SandyH, sad but true, too many good Americans are just down right lazy when it comes to their civil responsibilities...i use to think that would change if they were taken away, but again, i'm wrong...
Dawnie, it is that type of abusive behavior from you that frightens me. You don't seem to consider it bad to hurt another, in fact, you look for ways to be more painful.
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 10:46 PM
Posted by xdebx on May 29, 2006 at 10:48 PM
great post to both of you,
However, I think a man even involved has to play second fiddle to the womens decision.
After 3 kids, 10 month carrier, and 25 hours of labor, I think I have right to say that.
All the regulars here know my story. I don't need to repeat any of it. Point is...... it's the truth, I lived it. Anyone that wants to challenge those facts can byte me! I don't call people names (I save that for the PUGS and for GROUPS in general)
(mostly)
I hate liars worse than anything but I think I hate ignorant fools almost as much!
Dawn,
Hope you do better with the ignore thing than I have. I'm taking myself to the "time out" corner.
Have a nice evening, everyone!
This is the first Memorial Day we've had to remember one of our cousins' kids. John, thank you for your service. He was a marine. I think that's why the faux one here ticks me off so much.
Peace.
Posted by momoaizo on May 29, 2006 at 11:03 PM
true and I think I said I was being general.. but true, sadly.
I hated this sort of behavior when it was coming from supporters of the war and I dislike it just as much now that it is coming from those who did not support it. When you actually do more than talk about that, let me know.
Marine the point is that in a loving relationship where 2 people created a baby they do talk about what they should do. I have found that among my friends that had babies out of wedlock that the male was more likely to want an abortion. I had a girlfriend in college whose exboyfriend testified that he believed that he shouldn't have to pay child support because he wanted for her to have an abortion.
Poverty is cited for the reason for 35% of all abortions.
Rape is cited in 15%, but that number is actually higher because there are required legal papers when a girl/woman says she was raped and she often recounts due to not wanting to be further involved.
The real answer to reducing abortions is free and easy access to birth control and sex education. Societies that provide these things have the fewest number of abortions and their children also wait longer before their first sexual encounter. Waiting longer geatly reduces the likelyhood of the girl ever having an abortion and reduces the likelyhood that either the male or female will ever contract sexually transmitted diseases.
You're grasping at straws, Dawnie. The fact is that you set out to insult me the moment I said something that you did not agree with. It was not the other way around as you wish it had been.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 29, 2006 at 11:07 PM
same here I'm done with that topic! It makes my blood boil! Its so personal to start with anyway. Like when the PUGS butted in on the SHiavo thing! How insulting to that family!
Have a more peaceful night Fade!
Honestly, deb, I think that I'm just wishing that all men and women were mature enough to accept responsability for their actions. Abortion when rape or risk of serious bodily harm I agree with. In fact, women have traditionally used abortion in times of need such as these. It is merely the unnecessary use the I would like to see go.
This Friends is why I have said over and over I would NEVER try to run for office!
There are just certain personality types that I have zero tolerance for so I avoid them like the plague!
I don't set out to destroy them like the PUGS seem to do with their intolerance but I do steer clear of them and their evil chat! (Yes it's EVIL to me which is all that matters when I'm in the middle of it I'm not thinking, "gee am I being fair to this moron?")
so politics is OUT for me! I don't pander!!
never said I was perfect or even close but I am honest!
Hey TONITO!!! Blog moved pretty fast for a few, took me a while to catch up.
Hey Dawn, I signed your guest book, but didn't see it when I looked at the book...leave it to me to do it wrong. Totally needing pc education!
I'm sorry for whatever it is that you endured at the hand of a man, Dawnie. I can't do a damn thing about it, but I'm sorry that he ever existed. We would most certainly have had a better discussion tonight if he had not.
I have to ok it first DEB!! Thanks Sweetie!! I'll go right now and release it! I was getting some spam and a few trolls....... ya know? They are like mold!
lol
When the immigration issue won't take traction, there is always abortion or gay marriage to kick around? We've all been there and done that before.
In fact, these issues have been around as long as God gave us sex. Why are they so important all of a sudden? Has something suddenly changed in the last few years that has altered 10,000 years of human sexual history?
"The gift of life"? Somebody's spent waaay too long at their conservative think tank. That slogan has been used by the Red Cross for decades. (Never given blood?) Go back to the drawing board. You could be sued for trademark infringement.
Get a grip SandyH. You're as paranoid as the politicians who sent us into Iraq were.
Goodnight anyway, I think that I have endured enough for one night.
dk2, dumpw, xdebx, check your emails...peace to you tonite
Dawnie, SandyH, Fade and Tune and Benji (if you are lurking) everyone have pleasant dreams....blog you all tomorrow....
again, something to listen to before going to bed...A Song of Peace
Marine, please reread my 10:48 post:
The truth is that abortion cannot be regulated. By regulation we would require a court to decide.
Believe it or not, most people see the issue as killing a human, albeit tiny. But, people who are at least 45 years old remember the debate that lead to R v. W. It is much like tic tac toe...no matter how it is analyzed it is a stale mate. Except for the religious right, who believe that killing an unborn child is never right and they would let a woman die from a tubal pregnancy.
From the previous post:
"So many rape victims will be accused of being a lying promiscuous girl/woman and not be allowed an abortion and many girls/women who really are lying will be allowed the abortion. Courts don't have a crystal ball, they are just people who believe the most convincing person. It is a no win situation."
Back atcha xdeb, would love to hook up with ya in person sometime.....
Maybe at a football game in the fall, we are trying to get plans underway for the first game against Kristen's Washington State Cougars over Labor Day Weekend... how much fun would that be???
Posted by ModerateDemocrat on May 29, 2006 at 11:03 PM
Moderate, thanks for summing up the situation. Add William F. Buckley to the list of the fed up.
Forget the worst president distinction. How about the worst world leader of the 21st century...and we haven't even gotten very far into it yet?
Posted by xdebx on May 29, 2006 at 11:25 PM
I can't imagine ever being raped in the first place but ending up pregnant or even worse with aids from it would be horrific!
I can always think of someone that had it worse than myself. Of course I can always find women that had it better too! It's a draw! So I avoid those whose common beliefs end up being diametrically opposed to my own!
Sometimes it may only be ONE issue (like hard core drunks) but usually there is more. And intolerance is a biggy as well. I find I'm better off avoiding all communications for my OWN sake.
Tonito: AU's playing WSU...what is up with that? But sure I'd love it!
They asked Bush for his opinion on Roe v. Wade, he said he didn't give a shit HOW they got out of New Orleans..
Forget the worst president distinction. How about the worst world leader of the 21st century...and we haven't even gotten very far into it yet?
Posted by SandyH on May 29, 2006 at 11:32 PM
He will probably be seen as the worst World leader since the beginning of time.
Posted by Tune on May 29, 2006 at 11:37 PM
Hahahha! gooood one!
Yeah, xdeb!
They upgraded the non conference schedule this year because of the 12th game and also play Tulane too..... Should make for an interesting football season.. I can't wait.... early pre season polls should have the Tigers in the Top 5....
hmmm Tony did you get on to bravenet? mine says the server is full try later.......... LOL
that's a first
Posted by Marine on May 29, 2006 at 11:24 PM
You really never have given blood, have you? It's not so bad of an experience and it does save lives.
Don't leave on my account. I didn't mean to offend. I thought you'd like to know about the slogan. You can discuss anything you want here.
I'll bite on the abortion topic. Ever have a mischarge, Marine? It's a natural form of abortion. Most sexually active women have at least one a year....most never even know it. But God performs this operation regularly. It doesn't seem to bother Him/Her.
It's another one of those things that have been going on from the beginning and it just keeps on happening.
Would you condemn the Almighty for purposely denying all those sweet unborns the light of day?
Posted by dk2 on May 29, 2006 at 11:24 PM
you mean will Fitzgerald come back with an indictment this week? (fingers crossed)
I read recently where it isn't enough to win in the elections. We MUST tear down their talking points or they will be able to continually use them and drum up support for them again for the next election.
Posted by SandyH on May 29, 2006 at 11:49 PM
it is a very giving experience! They call my daughter regularly and she is proud to do it being she is O+.
I can't give it anymore unfortunately due to my disability and the coumadin. I'm A+ so they were not always calling me like they do my daughter. But I do regret not still being able to give.
We did it regularly in the military as well, of course!
Tonito...I LOVE it when we win. November is going to be a GREAT month!!!
Posted by Tune on May 29, 2006 at 11:37 PM
That is so clever.
This would be a good place for me to make my exit. I need to get a grip on a warm glass of milk and say my prayers of contrition for offending those who would never offend me.
I'm sorry, Marine. I've seen too many trolls strolling by here lately.
Good night, all.
Dawnie, I tried to get there but it made me update some files, so still trying.....hmmmm?
Yeah, xdeb, me too!!!
Gnite {{Sandy}}
you have nothing to repent for imo. Standing up for women and their rights is just as important as any other issue!
Now it is saying requesting access??? over and over and over.... NSA maybe think we are targets.....or terriss??
Posted by tonitobandito on May 30, 2006 at 12:07 AM
a lot of people had the day off today and it's a free service............ probably overloaded servers
I'll check again tomorrow after I get back and if it's still giving me trouble I will "give em hail" lol
or request service (depending on my mood)
Deb
Payday is coming soon! I think I owe you a lunch!
How about something more home grown? I'll call ya. E me (oh wait, hubby is home for a few weeks)
ok I'll hang on to some denaros for later in June. lol
If we wanted to pull a rabbit out of the hat for a sure win, I think Oprah would be extremely progressive and guaranteed to win.
Posted by xdebx on May 29, 2006 at 10:07 PM
'Scuse me while I lean in on my righthand and look as if I am actually SEEMING to care, but....
PUKE!!!
Maybe her running mate cold be Jesse, and they can BOTH kiss their asses goodbye. OPRAH?? Seriously, FOR PRESIDENT!!!!???
JEEZE LOUISE, although she couldn't be any worse than the assclwn we have now, her constant phoniness is just the same as the phony Texan we have now.
Double UGH to that Oprah thought. Run a piece of barbed wire through youe ears and call it "Mental Floss" and see a head doctor in the morning.
(As if nobody knows my opinion of Jesse and Oprah).
YIKES!!!! It's like I channelled her. ANOTHER "SPECIAL" OPRAH IS ON RIGHT NOW!!
Headphone w/ WDST time..
Oprah = UGH, UGH, UGH, and Larry King Ugh-ish.
Posted by DPD on May 30, 2006 at 12:19 AM
LOL see we all do have our own issues don't we?
I've also become more tolerant of smokers as my two bestest friends have not yet given it UP!!
:-{
(and as we blog more than we are in person it makes it much easier) heh
cough cough
I need to sleep but can't turn off Malloy until he's finished! It's like once I'm listening I feel like a traitor if I turn him off before he's finished.
How silly is that? He's a righteous dude! I must support the streaming audio! Keep his ratings high! (and yet I'm talking to myself)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
This is worse than Abu Ghraib’
Murtha says civilian killings hurt the U.S.
The Associated Press
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/14691136.htm
Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq,
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForProgressiveDemocraticMajority on May 30, 2006 at 01:52 AM
Government-written propoganda (read that "spin and billshit") in the news??
naw, cant be. who would believe such a thing possible from a constitution-kissing prez like bush??
I swear americans don't read history at all anymore. It just repeats and repeats. It's been going on longer than we all thought too, I was doing some research and picked up this book called bible or something like that, and it seems that the FIRST time people listened to a bush they ended up wandering in the desert for 40 years..
I am a lifelong Democrat (I've never voted for anyone but a Democrat) but because the Democrats won't support my one-issue agenda (i.e. immigration) I'm going to vote republican. That'll show those Democrats whose boss. :b
stirrin' it up already, eh Benji? that is hilarious, though.
gregg, have you seen this article in Salon, Going Beyond God?
saw it fade but didn't get to read it yet. watched baghdad er last night. reality based reality...
"No House member, no senator, nobody in government should be above the law of the land, period," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said.
i guess this only applies to democrats?????
i guess this only applies to democrats?????Posted by toosmart4cons on May 30, 2006 at 08:56 AM
You can bet on it, if that had been Hastert, Sessions, specter, Roberts, etal, Frist would be out there screaming like a Girl! :)
Posted by martys58 on May 31, 2006 at 12:49 PM
For someone who claims to be a Democrat,
you sound like a republican.
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