Saturday Open Thread
Your challenge this weekend:
Write a Letter to the Editor of your local papers. The DNC tool has some suggested subjects, or you can also write on one of your choosing.
Have a candidate you want to support? A cause? An issue? Don't forget to make your voice heard offline too!
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..........As more states proceed with minimum wage increases on their own, a new study shows that small businesses grow faster in states with minimum wages above the federal level, which has remained at $5.15 since 1997.........
Surprise! Surprise!
What caught my attention was the fact that small businesses were the beneficiaries. It's simple: raising the minimum wage increases demand for goods. The regressives in Washington are bought and paid for by multi-national corporations so why would they pass laws that would benefit small businesses or poor folks?
THE ENEMY OF SMALL BUSINESS IS BIG BUSINESS!
Thanks Tracy for another weekend open thread.
Why aren't you home enjoying the weekend w/family and friends?
Oh yea, thanks for the LTE tools, they ARE very helpful, forgot about them earlier, glad you keep pointing out all the tools the dnc provide.
Have a great weekend!
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
IMPEACH ARBUSTO NEXT!
My letter to the editor will be addressed to the attack on Senator Obama's opposition to the "Defense of Marraige" bill. I am taking a break, but this will be the topic on my mind while I continue redoing my mom's room. It's lookin' good, but lots more to do.
Burnsey, marsh: anything you'd like me to say for you as I address the folks here in Obama country?
Nationalize: Big Oil, Big Pharmaceuticals, Big Healthcare, & Big Airlines. We subsidize them so we may as well own them.
Burnsey
Being the devil I want you to know I had nothing to do with the 6-6-6 date. Those who worship my Arch Nemesis are trying to drop the blame on me.
Anyway, glad to see you sticking around.
I was curious as to who the 15 Senators are who voted against Hayden. Also, someone asked me to come up with ideas for the election campaign. How about the following: "This election is about preserving and protecting the Constitution." This is simple and could resonate with everyone. Just a thought.
fade,
My number one issue is the investigation into why we are at war with Iraq. Nothing is more solemn or serious than warring with another country, and to do so by pre-emptively sending the sons and daughters of America into a foreign country.
Clearly all reasons given, (9/11, WMD, nukes) were either massive intelligence failures or bogus contrivances for nefarious purposes. To insure that this never happens again a thorough and complete investigation must occur. If individuals are found to have deliberately misled a country into war, causing the death of thousands and the financial loss of billions, appropriate sentences should be meted out as a discouragement against this type of behavior.
So when Tweety throws out the question of investigations, remind him of the overlook Republican rubber stamp congress, and the Democrats must investigate because reporters really suck at it.
Posted by momoaizo on May 27, 2006 at 03:37 PM
No rest for the wicked?
Actually, I am heading out this afternoon for some shopping (still moving into my apartment and it's quite empty! I have hardly any furniture except a bed and a couch I got from Craig's list!) and later I am meeting a few friends from high school for dinner.
I also had a nice chat with my parents this morning. So it's a little bit of work and a little bit of play.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 03:38 PM
know you didn't ask me, but thought i'd throw in some thoughts...
the republican attack on gays seems to do nothing more than give permission to be intolerant, biased and bigoted.
most refer to the biblical verse in Liviticus 19:22 which says , "do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable
read on and in Leviticus 19 the next few chapters tell us not to cut our hair, or trim our beards or put tattoos on our body.
then we get to chapter 33: When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 the alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. love him as yourself for you were aliens in egypt.
Tracy,
i'm glad you know how to balance work and play. work is important, and your work VERY IMPORTANT. but play is very important too.
thanks again for coming in and opening up another thread. hope you have more fun and less work this weekend.
The regressives in Washington are bought and paid for by multi-national corporations so why would they pass laws that would benefit small businesses or poor folks?
***
The Corporatists are the problem. Get the corporations out of politics before it's too late. No corporation should be allowed to contribute money to a political candidate.
I pledge allegiance to the flags of global corporatism and to no republic for which they stand. All nations, under any God, divisible for quick profit, with liberty and justice for major shareholders only.
Is this where we're headed?
Up to your eyeballs in ethics investigations? Try this...
we the people
in order to form
a more perfect union
establish justice
ensure domestic tranquility
provide for the common defense
promote the general welfare and
secure the blessings of liberty
to ourselves and our prosperity
do ordain and establish this constitution
for the united states of america
This is what I will promote and defend, with my every last ounce of strength, bruno.
It is pleasant to see some small improvement in the DNC web log.
This is my first posting in quite a few months. I wasn't sure I would ever make another comment, but a friend kept prompting me to check it out . . .
Paul in McLean Virginia
Bruno I sure hope not. If we can get as many rubber-stampers out as possible, there is hope. I really think that getting people registered to vote and then making sure they do is also important. If you have to use electronic voting machines with no paper trail, mark your choices on the sample ballot you get. If there is hanky-panky, then you can say, "I know I voted this way". Just a thought.
oops, posterity, not prosperity - guess I got all corporatized, too ;p
Paul - I'm glad you did. I'm new here, myself. I'm an Independent who has voted straight Democratic since 1986. I know I'll never vote Republican again. I just don't trust them. I have to go now for a while. Be back later.
So, while everyone is sitting on their decks drinking that HORRIBLE "NEW" Bud Light (YUCK!!!!! If I wanted Coor's Lite, I'd BUY IT!!!), and waiting for the Snausages to grill, (the) White House Wants NSA Lawsuits Nixed.
Daily Kos has a well reasoned response to this rape of the Constitution.
Nice way to avoid the 'News" cycle.
BTW, since this is Memorial Day weekend, it should be noted that in the 83,950 ish days since 7-4-'76 until today, 240,000+ PEOPLE have been buried in Arlington. W has already killed over 2,400 with his little ego trip.
dpd, whats with the light beer anyhow old boy? if i am gonna drink beer i like a dark one.
I never really liked "Lite" beer, but it's a compromise thing for the constant whiners and professional complainers who always follow up their Lasagna Dinners with a chocolate torte, but complain about REAL beer being "too heavy".
Next time I ask these monotonous moaners over I'll tell them to buy their OWN damn beer and keep driving.
BTW, the "NEW" Bud Light is REALLY HORRIBLE, and the tip of my tongue is numb.
I think the Feds should look into this sleight of hand.
DPD
I'll be going out Monday to visit and pay tribute to some old friends and veterans alike at the Dallas/Ft. Worth National Cemetery.
If you want to see where vereans are buried in national cemeteries click this link to search for you friends or family.
Bruno, don't cry for them. Honor them. Weep for the families and those currently stuck in Little Georgie's clusterf**ck.
Well, marty. That's what is GREAT about A DEMOCRACY (if you can keep it.)
(Ben the Weird Guy, sometime before TV)
DPD
You know what I fear the most is the Bush wars will drag on and my son will answer the call as did his father (me -Vietnam), grandfather (WWII), uncles (WWII & Korea), and our kinfolk all the back from WWI to the revolutionary war.
bruno thanks for that i need to get down to long island and visit my best friend's grave at the military cemetary there.
Martys go to this website dlc.org. If you want to know what's wrong with the democrats this is the group you should complain about.
And i don't wanna hear this i bid the party adieu crap,that's what Karl Rove peopl leaivng the party so that his party remains the majority forever.
Don't give up marty the real progressive democrats are starting to charge back and we are doing it now.
BBIAB, Mrs. Whiner is complaining about something. Maybe she wants some "LITE" Mayo on her 3rd Brat.
Posted by martys58 on May 27, 2006 at 05:55 PM
Marty,
you have the dnc confused with the dlc...
good luck with that position, the rest of us are here to discuss ways of disabling the stronghold the republican criminals have on our government.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 06:03 PM
as wars go, some are for reasons that are worth fighting and dieing for...
then there are the big business/big oil wars....to the people that benefit from these ...these wars are worth your sons and daughters fighting and dieing for...
Did anyone see this story about the bushies trying to stop NSA lawsuits in New York and Michigan.
So this is what they want,keep us in the dark so that the truth doesn't get out. The bushies are scared now folks.
This is what Bush, Cheney, Rummy and the rest of the Republicans want our nation to be like. And Junior "smerks" about it.
Photos Indicate Civilians Slain Execution-Style
An official involved in an investigation of Camp Pendleton Marines' actions in an Iraqi town cites `a total breakdown in morality.'
Photographs taken by a Marine intelligence team have convinced investigators that a Marine unit killed as many as 24 unarmed Iraqis, some of them "execution-style," in the insurgent stronghold of Haditha after a roadside bomb killed an American in November, officials close to the investigation said Friday.
The pictures are said to show wounds to the upper bodies of the victims, who included several women and six children. Some were shot in the head and some in the back, congressional and defense officials said.
Anybody Know Zack Space's position on choice and gays? He's the Dem running against Bob Ney in Ohio. I went to his website, but couldn't learn anything about these two positions, which is not good.
momo
Let me start off by saying I think the invasion into Iraq was a colossal mistake.
However, most democrats in congress voted to give Bush the power to invade Iraq and expand that to fight terrorism wherever it may be. Under the constitution this power resides in Congress. If they implement a draft, and the war expands because of additional attacks on our soil, then the line between right and wrong becomes more blurred by our vision of what we want our country to be.
In the case of a draft, the issue becomes a legal one as to serve or not serve. The right answer to that question is more than difficult. Just ask most of those who served in Vietnam.
If radical Islam fascism continues in its objective of total destruction of western democracies, to be replaced with a strict global Islamic Republic, our choices will become more difficult and our options will have to include a draft.
Tracy, did my LTE to the Daily Oklahoman. It's getting to be a better paper since old man Gaylord died. Junior wants to play cowboy with his horsees at the rodeo, so the paper fell into the hands of the womenfolk. The editorials are coming in 50/50 liberal/ignorant. Hopefully we can turn Oklahoma back to the democrats.
I knew it wouldn't take you long to go from dumb, dirty, diseased Mexicans to "radical Islam fascists" bent on the "total destruction of western democracies" and taking over the world.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Bruno,
I am a vietnam era veteran, my hubby served in vietnam in 1975.
i understand the difficulty of the choices if a draft is put back into affect.
but this war on/by radical islam fascism is in effect a catch 22....
because we are there, they declare war on the infadels. because we don't understand or value any religion but christianity and judaism, we don't understand how offensive we are.
yet by simply educating and understanding, we could start on the road to avoiding a "religious world war"...
Strong Signs of Rift Among Democrats
Support for a challenger to longtime Sen. Joe Lieberman indicates tensions over Iraq war.
The liberal challenge to Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) escalated Friday when the political arm of MoveOn.org, an influential online advocacy group, endorsed the political newcomer opposing his bid for renomination.
Gaining the support of MoveOn's political action committee was Ned Lamont, a businessman who wants to unseat Lieberman largely because of the veteran lawmaker's staunch support for the war in Iraq.
Lamont's candidacy also has become a priority for many liberal websites, such as Daily Kos — whose founder, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, recently appeared in one of Lamont's television advertisements.
With the involvement of these groups, the face-off between Lieberman and Lamont in Connecticut's Aug. 8 primary has emerged as the focal point of tensions between Democratic liberals and centrists over the party's direction.
"This is a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party," said Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. "It will have repercussions for the 2008 presidential campaign and whether centrists will feel comfortable within the Democratic Party."
Now here's one that I find quite disturbing.. currently, the internet provides the only real way for us to get both sides of any story... congress is currently trying to put a stop to that "leak" in the name of protecting and enhancing the profits of big business..
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/05/25/the.web.toll/index.html
Jeez, you'd think this was a holiday weekend...
it is slooooowwwww today......
momoaizo, last week Randi Rhodes was talking about when she went on Larry King's show with three Repubs and one of them kept trying to get her to agree that the Iraqis "are evil". She wouldn't do it. On her show the next monday when she was talking about it, she told the story of Jessica Lynch whom the Bush administration tried to make into this big war fighting hero that emptied her weapon before she was captured. The truth was she passed out in the car wreck and never fired a shot. And the way the US military found her was by an Iraqi "Good Samaritan" who worked in the hospital she was being treated at telling them where she was. So Randi asked, "Are these the people I'm supposed to think of as evil?"
most democrats in congress voted to give Bush the power to invade IraqPosted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Bruno, actually this is wtong. It is important that everyone know that this is wrong. 58% of the democrats voted against the war in Iraq. And the 42% that did should never believe another word of this administration.
just you and me domingo?
the spin the spin...where are they taking us?
gotta go get some kfc, bbl....
Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border, take the dirt and raise the
levees in New Orleans and put the Florida alligators in the moat.
Any other problems you want me to solve?
^5 to OFG and his bringing the TRUTH to the "most times" ignorant PUGS who only seem to like to watch FAUX news and read RED news papers.
They don't HEAR the truth so to them it doesn't exist.
Bruno, etc please take that bit of TRUTH back to your dark den of shame and tack it on the cave wall OR ROVE'S shiney bald head and READ IT!!! (will ya?)
I get so damn tired hearing all the DEMS voted for this gdm war!!! HOG WASH!
And Hillary better hope she gets re-elected to the senate cuz her days are numbered too... now that she's lying down with DOGS named Rupert!
ARGH!
Oilfield Guy
It is important that everyone know that this is wrong. 58% of the democrats voted against the war in Iraq
I don't know where you get your numbers but here is the Senate and House vote totals.
The Senate voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.
Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
This vote opened the door for the president to invade Iraq.
Domingo
Do you ever get tired of just being silly? By your posts you seem to indicate that you don't have the slighest idea how legislation is passed or what processes are required to gain control of congress.
I have also read MANY places many times since this MESS that MOST of those that voted for it NOW regret doing so.
Silly? What part of my objecting to your bashing of Gays, Mexicans, Muslims and who knows what group it will be next week, and your defending of slavery and the old Confederacy have to do with, "how legislation is passed or what processes are required to gain control of congress"?
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 07:18 PM
I have seen Randi on MSNBC and CNN recently and she LEADS the show every time she's on. Her recall of the important issues and facts is phenomenal! IMO!
and PAULIE if you're still reading.... THANKS for all the email info :-)
OK, I think I know what your caned answer will be. "If we don't persecute those groups, the Democrats can't win", right?
lets please keep in mind that the vote for war was made based on "evidence" that was only later proved to be false.
Not to dismiss failures to ask more questions or observe logic.. but one must keep in mind the climate of the day, where the threat of imminant nuclear attack was implied by the same president who, only a short time previous to that, stated an attack by anthrax was about to happen. And he was correct. The real debate on this topic should revolve around this government keeping the facts surrounding it's most suspicious failures secret. For example, the way they refuse to this day to release all info related to the anthrax when high government involement is highly suspected.. or FAA reports on 9/11 failures to respond according to established policy, when what they have released has been proven bogus.. or the redacted pages of the 9/11 commission report... or... I am sure i could find a couple hundred other things to list here.
So here we sit, arguing over who voted for this war of lies and profit, when any congress that was actually on the ball would be demanding hand cuffs and criminal investigations for treason rather than perpetuating the lie in an effort to save political face...
I expect it to be on Chris Matthews next. He's such a right ARM pundUNCE! That garbage he couldn't stop chatting about Hillary and Bill's marriage when never once mentioning the demise of W's marriage as well???? And that he's been drinking again??? According the the SAME article!!
And when did these lackies start copy and pasting from RAG Magazines? Is that some kind of thing Rupert taught them to do (being he owns a few RAGS himself?)
I hate those basTURDS! I really do! I only hope their day will come (soon) and they will pay SOME price in blood or money for the way they've ruined this country for decades!!!
maybe that's harsh but they've driven us ALL to the brink!!! They will surely REAP WHAT THEY SOW
Noam Chomsky on Book TV (C-SPAN 2)
Addressing Naval Acadamy, I think.
Topic: JUST WARS
If anyone is interested in looking at the lobbyist filing disclosures go to
http://sopr.senate.gov/cgi-win/m_opr_viewer.exe?DoFn=0
you can choose how you want to look up, I did Government Entity Contacted and year (if you hold down the ctrl button you can choose more than one search item)
click the drop down button at the end of SENATE (then you can choose White house it is at the bottom of the list) I choose year 2005 (because 2006 isnt filed yet)
the results are here:
http://sopr.senate.gov/cgi-win/m_opr_viewer.exe?DoFn=3
you can click on the mid year or year end report, some are hard to read but you can scroll down the report and see their $ amount for the year (for example - Alcoa has $660,000
very interesting to see which companies are list with the white house
And now that I'm good and angry.......... I think I'll sign off for a while. Slow day anyway looks like.
Karma do your stuff!! SOON!
Peace
It was the U.S. Military Academy.
He responded to some questions about the Mid-east area "wars".
I knew we had armed Saddam but he detailed some things like.....Iraq was on one of the "evil" lists but Reagan "took him off" in 1982 so he could supply him with weapons.
Thankyou dk2(if you are out there)for the instructions. I wondered off and just now came back.
Dawnie
Without a doubt many democrats and probably some republicans regret their vote. Because of 9/11 they were trying to project unity. I doubt many members of congress believed the president would actually lie to take us to war.
Domingo
What part of my objecting to your bashing of Gays, Mexicans, Muslims and who knows what group it will be next week, and your defending of slavery and the old Confederacy
That statement by you is so outrageous it can't be called anything but a lie.
I have never bashed gays. I have never supported slavery and I don’t see how you equate expecting immigrants to respect our law when they come here to bashing.
Are you really so naive that you don't see the major conflict brewing between Christianity and Islam?
Thank goosness you are someone who just plays with politics. With your skillset you make Bush look smart.
With your skillset you make Bush look smart.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 08:16 PM
well that was kinda below the belt.
here's a quote from some french guy named Voltaire:
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Posted by dk2 on May 27, 2006 at 07:57 PM
my second link doesnt work right, but if you use the steps I listed, you can look up any of the companies lobbying and who they are lobbying.
Posted by hoipolloi on May 27, 2006 at 08:11 PM
your welcome, I hope it helped.
ps: that quote was not aimed at Bruno, but put out as a reminder of what we fight to defend, and what the current administration seems determined to take away..
Here is another quote for your consideration:
Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned; that until there are no longer first class and second class citizens of any nation; that until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes; that until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all, without regard to race; that until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but fleeting illusions, to be pursued but never attained.
Haile Selassie
Tune
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
And I do. Domingo has it in for me Tom, Driftwood, and ----------- (matthew) because we opposed blanket legalization for illegal immigrants.
That's his right and it's my right to correct him when he accuses me of being racist or a bigot.
Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border, take the dirt and raise the
levees in New Orleans and put the Florida alligators in the moat....
So, Who digs the moat?
Dawnie i agree Matthews is an idiot that interview he did with dean was so waisted. The Clinton Marriage? Not Gossip? Who the hell cares about that topic.
I'll never understand why Matthews still has a job on the air maybe it's because he's part of "The MSM".
Oh and Chris keep your mouth shut and don't interrupt the next time you ask someone a question.
Tune
The way I understand it the Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie (I) was to Rastafarians a philosophical guru type. Sometimes out of touch with his own realities.
Reality sometimes must take precedent based on pramatic factors that exceed the philosophical
the concept of "blanket legalization" is a bit confusing and confused.
First, I don't think it was proposed by anyone here or in congress to grant such immunity to prosecution in perpetuity.. eg those here today are not mentioned in the same breath as those who come tomorrow..
Second, I think anyone wanting discuss the topic should first think long and hard on the implications - and consequences - of making legal targets of many millions of people. The concept of bringing them to justice, while noble in the context of the law, is simply beyond the ability of the system to carry out. We have already seen a small sample of the demonstrations and anger the line of reasoning has generated, and this just from talking about it. Trying to actually do it would quickly become a civil war. This has to be, and has been, concidered by congress.
Granted many parts of their alternative seem to be utter bullshit, and seem targeted to give further favor to the corporate. I postulate the theory that the entire immigration issue is a red herring, a distraction, and also a symptom of the real illness which shows itself as a common thread in every issue facing the nation today - the power of the corporate to ammend the constitution and dictate policy in the name of profit.
Tune
Try following the legalization leaders like Navito Lopex. Even Senator Feinstien (sp) proposed an amendment, which was voted down, to grant a path to citizenship to 11-12 million illegal immigrants.
is simply beyond the ability of the system to carry out. We have already seen a small sample of the demonstrations and anger the line of reasoning has generated, and this just from talking about it. Trying to actually do it would quickly become a civil war.
I don't believe that is a reality even though most aren't seeking it. By your thoughtful statements I guess you missed much of the debate here.
If the criteria for avoiding civil war is open borders then it will not be avoided. The issues of sustainability have to be factored in. Water systems, public schools, county hostpital costs, landfills, housing etc.etc.
By examining the process for bringing family members in after receiving a greencard the totals according to several studies commissioned by congress would put the total at 93-100 million, nearly one-third of the total population in the next 20 years.
Tune
I need to step out for a while. I'll leave you two sources, one conservative and one liberal, that explore the numbers in great detail. If you have time I think you'll find the research worthwhile.
Who said anything about opening the borders for free immigration?
It seems to me they are looking to streamline the legal variety, while attempting to stem the illegal type. the two are vastly different, unlike the old west "homesteading" concept legal immigration works towards placing the person where the benefit is a two way street as opposed to having them drop anchor first place they can generate some coin.
As for the civil war bit, I stand by it. finding and deporting millions who have become adept at flying under the radar is a daunting task. You cant do it without infuriating millions more who are here legally, and who came here to escape the same oppression as most of those not here legally.
In the past two months we have seen violence in schools and massive demonstrations and rallies in the streets just from TALKING about it. Making it law will antagonize that situation. such is human nature, especially when fueled by something called "culture clash".
Yes there is a percentage that are here as part of a crime system. A small percentage of the total. the rest are here because to survive one needs to eat.
And that said, I am moving off this topic because I have had my say and am now just repeating myself.
I don't know where you get your numbers but here is the Senate and House vote totals.
The Senate voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.
Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 07:32 PM
I can see someone is confused here. I get my numbers from the roll call vote and I will walk you through this. Focus only on the Democratic legislators votes.
In the House 81Y 126N
In the Senate 29Y 21N
That's 110 Democratic votes for the war in Iraq
And 147 Democratic votes against the war in Iraq
For a total of 257 votes or...dang Bruno, you busted me gettin all fast and loose with my figgers, 57% of Democrats voting against the war in Iraq.
Anyone care to do the math on the rubber stamp Republicans?
Focus only on the Democratic legislators votes.
In the Senate 29Y 21N
Correct me if I'm wrong but 29+21 = 50.
When did the democrats get 50 Senators?
I'm baaaaaaaaack!
I WISH we had 50 DEM Senators! Could you be including our one Independent? WE still don't have even 49 Dem senators do we?
OFG give us a linkie will ya? If you can?
I hate math! All I know for sure is MOST regret it now except for a few stray DINOS. Even a gaggle of Rinos are feeling the same regrets.
I wish Hagel would just change parties and make me get really excited! He seems so reasonable sometimes. Gives me hope. Small but it's something! I love when they switch to DEM. Speaking of X pugs that switched where is our sweet mascot DELL been?
(I'm NOT calling you out btw, just missin ya)
We used to have a lot more Senators than just half, but the Republicans can lie better than we can tell the truth.
But you can click here and count them yourself.
Posted by ap215 on May 27, 2006 at 08:35 PM
Oh oh and CreepyChris just HATESSSSS it when Howard sounds so smart about the realities of everything political! He's got this job nailed. I couldn't be prouder of him even if I had been for him for Prezeldent in the first place.
Had I spent as much time listening to him speak as I have SINCE the election I think even Clark would have lost my vote. Well maybe not but he'd be up there with him.
He's quick! I like that. I hate when they do the UM and ugh and all that as they try to process their practiced answer. Like Ken MELMAN as example. He's hideous!
That's to the Iraq vote of the 107th congress, second session in October 2002.
Posted by Dawnie on May 27, 2006 at 10:03 PM
Hey, you musta channelled me or something, lol. I've been a lurking machine here at home, but the internet has been taken away from us while we're at work. I work in like an hour, yeech.
Posted by Oilfieldguy on May 27, 2006 at 10:06 PM
Thanks! Very Interesting! That dingbat Byrd at least had his marble right for that vote. His votes lately have been very ZELL like!!! Have you noticed?
Posted by Dawnie on May 27, 2006 at 10:08 PM
I think Coulter is pretty awful at the umms and aghs too. She gets schooled everytime I've seen her on TV lately.
Posted by DeLLBerto on May 27, 2006 at 10:10 PM
{{{DELLB}}}} Hola Amigo!!! been missin ya! How's life? Family? etc? :-D
I remember a few years ago, they were touting Coulter as the "Prettiest Republican Voice" or some such nonesense. I'm sorry, but I'd have to have at least a keg's worth of VODKA in me before I'd even debate hittin' on her.
Posted by DeLLBerto on May 27, 2006 at 10:12 PM
COULTER??????? (let me find my cross)
you're gonna jinx this thread dude! She's wretched to the core!! Spawn of the underworld! ewwwwwwwwww!
Posted by Dawnie on May 27, 2006 at 10:15 PM
Yeah, jeesh. My bad, she just bugged the crap outta me last time I seen her on TV. She made my stomach churn.
We better hope to hell we can get this election won in 2006. Otherwise I fear we will soon find ourselves in some sick police state style society. CrooksandLiars.com has some more information on this.
We have to keep our energy levels up so we can write the inspired letters to the editor and walk the streets of our neighborhoods with the necessary literature to get this job done.
Amen to that and to those stupid and misguided religious right heads who think their ass is going to heaven when the global warming comes...
lol i just remembered I don't OWN a cross!
Dell it was a gorgeous day here and aside from some sneezing from all the bloomage I'm well.
danke! Hey when are you guys gonna get rid of that sicko named sessions? He is from Wisc. right?
Hate to be a "driveby" poster but I've gotta get going now... put the kids to bed and all that fun stuff... I will try to post later, maybe find a proxy server from work tonight and see what happens.
Altering the reality of failure
by Mark Mellman
~snip~
Only one other action the president could take before November has any possibility of producing a meaningful upturn in Bush’s ratings — a major troop withdrawal from Iraq. Many have been speculating about this possibility for months. With the increasing violence there, from the perspective of the president’s policy arguments, a withdrawal seems even less likely than it did a few months ago. But the political dynamics may be more compelling than the policy ramifications.
The logic is simple, if cynical. No president with approval ratings under 50 percent has lost fewer than the 15 seats Democrats need to retake the House. A Democratic House would make life more difficult for the president by setting a different agenda, one more in tune with public preferences. The only way to raise those approval ratings and help prevent a Democratic takeover is to withdraw troops from Iraq. It is hard to imagine any other policy change or scheduled event in the next six months that is capable of producing a meaningful increase in the president’s ratings — which brings them back to withdrawal.
[October Surprise?]
Coulter needs some serious counseling to get under that fierce face of anger she possesses. She's one of the meanest and most insecure people I've ever seen. It's too bad because someone must have messed her up bad, and she thinks she is coming on so strong and righteous. My God.
Posted by Orangutan on May 27, 2006 at 10:19 PM
Hey LTNS you either Orangutan! Well I can't do the walking part much but sure write a LOT of letters (mostly to the MSM) Our local papers are all BLUE here I've found so aside from writing them letters of appreciation occasionally I haven't had reason to complain and they are mostly ahead of even ME on what's up. Sooooooo glad!
Dell - my TV would explode if I left it on for more than a minute with her ooogly peroxide mug on the screen! ooooooogly! And I'm being nice. ;-]
Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 10:21 PM
ooooo {{fade}} good to read you! :-)
GNITE DELLB!! I'll cya when I cya! Hugs to the wife and kids too!
Very cool Dawnie. Letters to the Editor are going to get the job done as far as I'm concerned.
I just saw The Da Vinci Code tonight and that was a good movie too. More and more people I think are finally starting to question the official versions of some old stories.
The Iraq war is getting me sick. The official 9/11 story has me perplexed. And these elections coming up have me hopeful. Other than that I'm tired as hell and ready for bed.
Lots of Love to everyone!!! We'll get the job done.
Posted by Orangutan on May 27, 2006 at 10:28 PM
They banned the DaVinci movie in Waynesville. Luckily I don't like there anymore. I think Deb and I are going to see it in Asheville soon. At least that was the plan. Her hubby is home this weekend so I won't bug her about it. If we see it we see it. If not it's not biggy! I do want to see the Al Gore movie. Wait I'm wrong. Deb and I are seeing AL's movie. I'm confused. LOL
I don't LIVE there!! I don't LIKE them for banning movies! It's so damn UN AMERICAN!!!!
Has anybody read this over at Media Matters?
It's really long rant about the Republicans kewl, Democrats icky meme rampantly running through the corporate media. On point is the NYT front page pantysniffing article on HillBill. This is seen as okiedokie to do to Democrats.
But Maverick, straight talker McCain is an authentic Murkin. It's not worth mentioning his several affairs before he divorced his first wife only to marry a rich socialite a month later to catapault him into his career as a political insider.
Not worth mentioning these days McCain must've drifted away from his current wife, as he was unaware she has turned into a degenerate drug abuser, who bought her dope by stealing from a charity she had set up.
I hadn't heard about it either, but I'm not married to the junkie. These petty one-way cheap shots against dems have got to stop. If sex lives are okay to air on the front pages, and then drool over on the talking head shows, then let's be fair about it. The Republicans are the party of abstinence, right?
So let's check out Cindasleezy Rice shall we? Is she really the master of her domain, or is that shetland pony rumor true? I don't believe a word about the pony stories I keep hearing, but there out there, right Cokie Roberts? Does Harriet Miers have the some exotic tastes?
Whenever you come across this stuff, through it back in their faces. We have to let the corporate media know we are not going to tolerate this anymore. End of rant.
Mathews has got to be the WORST talk host ever.
Big suck-up, he takes 1/2 hr. to ask a question, gives 10 seconds for the answer and interrupts twice.
It's all about Chris, the "in" guy, and consider yourself lucky if you can even hear anyone else speak.
I feel like I am eavesdropping on a private conversation. I try to avoid it cause I just end up yelling at the TV.
The Project for a New American Century.
Rebuilding America's Defenses.
P. 51 of actual document. (63 of 90 on Acrobat)
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
OFG I'm ROFLOL at the PONY reference!!!!
reallllly! LOL!
Yes the mediamatters story was emailed to me earlier tonight by Paulie!! He's right on top of it! Too bad the MSM isn't!
Hi, everyone.
I have to be a drive by poster tonight, too.
I found this passage from Bob Herbert's column to dynamic. It sums up a situation that no one in the media or political circles wants to face. It could be the defining issue of our time. Social unrest and revolutions have been started for a lot less. Are the Republicans sitting on a time bomb?
"A chapter in "The Disposable American" details the plight of exquisitely trained airline mechanics who found themselves laid off from jobs that had paid up to $31 an hour. Mr. Uchitelle writes: "Not enough jobs exist at $31 an hour — or at $16 an hour, for that matter — to meet the demand for them. Jobs just don't materialize at cost-conscious companies to absorb all the qualified people who want them."
The most provocative question raised by Mr. Uchitelle is whether the private sector is capable of generating enough good jobs at good pay to meet the demand of everyone who is qualified and wants to work.
If it cannot (and so far it has not), then what? If education and training are not the building blocks to solid employment, what is? These are public policy questions of the highest importance, and so far they are being ignored.
Oil Field Guy.
What the rumor with Condi Rice? I haven't heard jack about her lately. And about Harriet Myers. I always wonder how these family first people view the fact that these girls aren't married etc.
Posted by hoipolloi on May 27, 2006 at 10:38 PM
and he absolutely LOVESSSSSS RUDY AND MCCAIN!!
what's THAT tell you? He interviews sleeze all the time and treats them like gold. Same with TIM RUSSERT!!! but with TIM its all about his DAD!!
I love Keith O, Jack Cafferty and that's about it for on TV anchors. I love David Schuster when he reports in to Keith or others as well. Can't think of any others right now.
then there is Stewart and Colbert of course
"We have to let the corporate media know we are not going to tolerate this anymore."
hello all...joining for awhile ... looks like this place is alive. not any lack of (bad) news no thanks to kingbush and his corrupt court.
yep, oilfieldguy, america's corporate media aka corrupt soundbytes.
HI and BYE {{Sandy}}
Hey AM1 welcome aboard the Democrat Saturday Night SOUL Train baby!! ;-)
So let's check out Cindasleezy Rice shall we? Is she really the master of her domain, or is that shetland pony rumor true? I don't believe a word about the pony stories I keep hearing, but there out there, right Cokie Roberts? Does Harriet Miers have the some exotic tastes?
Explanation please.
Posted by Orangutan on May 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Keep digging through all that manure. There has got to be a pony in there somewhere.
thanks for the welcome dawnie.
listening to news ... kingbush talking to the west point cadets. the soundbytes that the war on terrorism started on his watch and will end on theirs? what a spinning lier. the war on terrorism didn't start on his watch. his war in iraq started on his watch. does he have a memory lapse. the same photo op bullhorn guy on the 911 rubble saying we'd go after those responsible...dead or alive...maybe a selective memory.
"let's check out Cindasleezy Rice" connivingcondie is an opportunist. mastering the paino to mastering the media spin.
AM1
he's apparently totally convinced that if he says it OFTEN enough over and over it will magically become truth. He's even said as much.
Ya know......... he's pretty much dead weight now but the PUGS in Congress and the Senate are really starting to annoy me with their obstinence and sudden need to prove how much they are RACISTS it seems.
Remember when that jerk turned the lights and mic off on Sen. Conyers a while back? He's a hideous excuse for a man. He and DUNCAN HUNTER and JOHN ROBERTS are really really standing out for me lately as ones that NEED to be removed before they do any more damage!!!
anyone have any stats on when their terms are UP and if they have adequate DEMS to fight for their positions?
I can't remember that jerks name. He's also the one I think LOU Dobbs has annointed the Second Coming of (david duke if you ask me) SOMEbody special! the PUKE
OFG thanks for the link earlier! and the laughs! Have a nice weekend!! Peace!
"(msnbc) Alleged killings by Marines could enflame Iraqis Scandal brewing over civilian deaths in town sympathetic to insurgents
Updated: 2 hours ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military is bracing for a major scandal over the alleged slaying of Iraqi civilians by Marines in Haditha — charges so serious they could threaten President Bush’s effort to rally support at home for an increasingly unpopular war."
yikes, bush not only broke the "pottery rule" he smashed it...arrogant and drunk on political capital.
Posted by america1st on May 27, 2006 at 11:09 PM
:-(( that's gonna be really sad. I hate that people will turn on OUR troops when this was a more a BAD company with an even WORSE company commander!
Not (thank GOD) something the whole battalion or division or military as a whole is doing........ won't matter. Only takes a few.
It'a not the republicans fault if people are dumb
People registering to vote or signing petitions at Orange County shopping centers are entrusting their personal information to unregulated signature gatherers, some with rap sheets for child molestation, prostitution, methamphetamine use and immigrant smuggling, an Orange County Register investigation found.
"Half the (petitioners) are crack- or meth-heads. It's to get cash for their next fix," said Lynn Litheredge, a petition and voter registration circulator from Las Vegas who has worked on and off in Orange County for two years.
In a world where new Republican registrations pay up to $8 apiece and each name on a petition brings at least $1, signature gatherers have grown creative in chasing down the ka-ching. The industry is especially hot in California, where petition drives tripled in recent years in an effort to take democracy to the streets.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1158949.php
dawnie,
yep, our finest will be raked over the coals...i always blame kingbush for putting them in harms ways. the fallout is going to overwhelming. overseas journalists will make this a major story while fox-rove media here gives it soundbytes. i'm afraid we and once proud military are tarnished. and, still no osama.
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 11:17 PM
:-O jaw on floor
fade is never out. she's like a shade...there and not there. hello fade?
apparently the marines in question were returned to california after the investigation began. there defense will rest their case on that they were pushed over the edge. they were mentally and physically stressed. the military will need to appease the world and come down hard. of course, this will then look like the higher ups get off and rank and file get the screws. like after the prison flap and lying rummie. yep, this is now creeping into the news...and it will replace karl rove's diversion...immmigration.
AM1 - no matter I just liked that hopeful article she posted earlier. I'm gonna try to keep that at the top of my mind when I try to sleep later.
I can't believe I am so consummed with this garbage that I'm wasting a Saturday night discussing it yet again. LOL
no hope for me
We just had a bunch of these crooks register people as Republicans after the people told them they wanted to register as Democrats. Now they can't vote in the Deomcratic primary.
Ricker said it's OK to hire ex-criminals to collect sensitive information, as long as they no longer break any laws.
"People pay their debt to society. (They) make mistakes, and they pay for their mistakes," he said. "I don't think I have any murderers in my crew."
Ricker's crew does include 23-year-old Jessica Sundell, a former methamphetamine addict and ex-prostitute who went by the street name "Cupcake."
Eight people registered by Sundell complained to local election officials or the Register, including Tamara Vravis, 37, of Anaheim. Vravis said she was switched from the Democratic Party to Republican without her consent.
Vravis learned from a reporter that she had also given her personal information to someone once saddled with a $50-a-day meth habit.
"I'm not happy right now," Vravis said. "I will never sign another petition."
Sundell, who said she tried prostitution only once, denied flipping Vravis, or anyone else.
"The reason they switched (parties) was they wanted to help me get money," said Sundell, who lives in a Fullerton motel. "I'd say, 'I get a bonus for marking this as Republican. You don't have to vote that way and you can always change it later.'"
"Maybe the work pool we had to pull from aren't the best people you want out there," said Randall, who fired two signature gatherers because they "weren't the quality of the people that I felt should be out there representing the Republican Party."
Randall's standards come despite his own past: He pleaded guilty in 2002 to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1158949.php
wdst is really good tonite:
http://wdstvip.com/streaming.php
or:
“America in the view of many Iraqis has no credibility. We do not believe what they say is correct,” said Sheik Sattar al-Aasaf, a tribal leader in Anbar province, which includes Haditha. “U.S. troops are a very well-trained and when they shoot, it isn’t random but due to an order to kill Iraqis. People say they are the killers.”
yep, forget the flowers and candy at our finest's feet.
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 11:28 PM
I bet you a thousand dollars that you'll never see Matthews reporting on THAT one!!! Are you from Orange County? I didn't look but is that the Orange Cty in Fla? or Calif?
KEWL {{greggy}} drat I just missed johnny winter!
Thanks! Maybe they'll play werewolves of london next? (ribrib)
Dawnie,
yep, please keep positive...demos will not to need to do anything except watch as the repubs turn more negative...heck, i'm thrillin' to see kingbush below 20% ... approaching shotgun dick at an 18%?
ohhhhhhh wow this is totally awesome gregg!!!!
and I don't have my stereo up here so now that I've bookmarked this link I am SET!!!
nor i...fade raised the shade and the light is back in. hi fade!
Heck, I'm mad that nobody in the media will mention the over 20 years of business conections between Ken Lay, Enron, and Junior. You know darn well that if it was a Democrat president they'd never shup-up about it.
dpd i figure you are out there taking a meat ax to the remaining snausages and embers on the bbq grill before they rise up and devour you...so back to beer. had a young relative --25--come by with her boyfriend who was said to be a beer drinker...so i get a six pack of beck's dark and one of light....he says "gotta bud?" i offer the beck's and he chooses not to have anything.
another similar situation. in this one the guy uses his cell phone to call someone else on their way over to pick up coors silver bullets...i was offering heineken...
go figure, kids today, can't buy em a drink, can't drink what they're buyin....
and that would be my contribution for tonite...oh and nice punk out by bush...when staff threaten to quit one usually tells them not to let the door hit them in the ass...etc.
but bush is on bended knees,
saying stay with me,
stay with me,
please?
gregggggg awesommmeeee... opened a separate window to read while i rock.
gregg
that is just wrongggggg about the Heineys! I don't even drink beer and even I know that's about as good as it gets in the U.S.
I think I remember St. Paulie Girl also being a good dark beer?
or was that only in the 70's? LOL
Heck, I'm mad that nobody in the media will mention the over 20 years of business conections between Ken Lay, Enron, and Junior. You know darn well that if it was a Democrat president they'd never shup-up about it...
domingo, to sound repititious...the fox-rove corrupt media controls those soundbytes...they played the kennedy prescription drug episode like it was a choir.
america, yeah sometimes they are just great. glad you like em. they broadcast from the town of woodstock up in the catskill mountains.
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 11:42 PM
exactly! I've not heard a word about it. I also don't understand why they are not at ALL suspicious of the sudden rally of PUGS around Jefferson?
Even Pelosi says he needs to resign! How OBVIOUS can they get? If it were reversed??????? HA! It would be every channel 24/7!!!
here is the kerry story. it is in sunday's ny times:
By KATE ZERNIKE
Published: May 28, 2006
John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia."
Graphic: Kerry's New Evidence He moves on to the photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam; the harbor; the mountains fading frame by frame as the boat heads north; the special operations team the boat was ferrying across the border; the men reading maps and setting off flares.
"They gave me a hat," Mr. Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it from his briefcase. "I have the hat."
Three decades after the Vietnam War and nearly two years after Mr. Kerry's failed presidential bid, most Americans have probably forgotten why it ever mattered whether he went to Cambodia or that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth accused him of making it all up, saying he was dishonest and lacked patriotism.
But among those who were on the front lines of the 2004 campaign, the battle over Mr. Kerry's wartime service continues, out of the limelight but in some ways more heatedly — because unlike then, Mr. Kerry has fully engaged in the fight. Only those on Mr. Kerry's side, however, have gathered new evidence to support their case.
"but bush is on bended knees,
saying stay with me,
stay with me,
please?"
gregg my friend, this is what'cha get when political capital is loose change. i'd suppose he's already been refused a political credit card. guys like delay can't help much either. yep, maybe, just maybe, america will soon be calling in their loans.
here is some information on what some illegal aliens are doing stateside:
With Illegal Immigrants Fighting Wildfires, West Faces a Dilemma
By KIRK JOHNSON
Published: May 28, 2006
SALEM, Ore. — The debate over immigration, which has filtered into almost every corner of American life in recent months, is now sweeping through the woods, and the implications could be immense for the coming fire season in the West.
As many as half of the roughly 5,000 private firefighters based in the Pacific Northwest and contracted by state and federal governments to fight forest fires are immigrants, mostly from Mexico. And an untold number of them are working here illegally.
gregg, i like...i like...btw...i was 20 when woodstock happened and living on the opposite coast.
Forgot to paste in the link for the article that I snipped, above. Sorry. Phone rang and prematurely posted.
Paul sent this out and it's an awesome story for those Kerry fans who were waiting for this. Count me among that group. How many lies before you're liars, Swifties?
gregg...just bookmarked this music site. thanks again buddie!
yes, gregg...indeed it is. you were posting while i was fiddling.
goodnight y'all...i'm way tired.
Dawnie
I have a knock knock joke for you. Will you please start it?
he wrote alot of checks with other people's asses didn't he america? maybe folks are beginning to get pissed off....i sure hope.
in case anyone missed this bit of news:
Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 26, 2006; Page A03
The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
i guess gracie slick was right---"science is mankind's brother"
gregg,
never to late...kerry needs to expose this rove-cult. i shook my head in disgust after 2004... how could america ever buy an absentee-national-doggin'-bar-stool-drunk as strong on terrorism vs someone who actually saw combat and witnessed carnage and weak on terrorism? i still am perplexed. i guess middle america is that stupid.
america, i was twenty one and being a new yawker was able to attend woodstock. we walked in saturday morning by coming up from the barryville area and leaving the car on a back road. we stayed till late that night and walked out...back to the car and home...i couldn't get my mind into sleeping in the mud.
did do the fish cheer with country joe and hundreds of thousands of others!
Greg what year was woodstock? 196? I forget. Just curious. Did you go? I bet that was a GREAT concert!
TOM - usually if someone says please I obligue. I am really having a great time so far tonight and can't quite make myself walk into a trap. Tom you are a card carrying PUG right? I just can't trust PUGS. Sorry.
yeah america i could not believe that the swift bullshit stuck and after they had done it to mccain and cleland....but once again i underestimated...saw a two hour thing on pbs recently that was about goebels and his media machine for hitler...very enlightening.
must rest take care all.
My fellow trolls unite!
If you are being paid what you are worth
If the only way to stop Bin Laden is to invade Iran
If you have great healthcare
If Bush is right
If Dems pose a threat to our way of life
If you agree with these statements, i urge you to follow my link, and see the truth!
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.php
Hmmm. my mistake then. Ok here goes.........
sigh
knock knock
Who's there?