Saturday Open Thread
Your challenge this weekend:
Write a Letter to the Editor of your local papers. The DNC tool has some suggested subjects, or you can also write on one of your choosing.
Have a candidate you want to support? A cause? An issue? Don't forget to make your voice heard offline too!
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Let's fight for better wages.
..........As more states proceed with minimum wage increases on their own, a new study shows that small businesses grow faster in states with minimum wages above the federal level, which has remained at $5.15 since 1997.........
Surprise! Surprise!
What caught my attention was the fact that small businesses were the beneficiaries. It's simple: raising the minimum wage increases demand for goods. The regressives in Washington are bought and paid for by multi-national corporations so why would they pass laws that would benefit small businesses or poor folks?
THE ENEMY OF SMALL BUSINESS IS BIG BUSINESS!
Thanks Tracy for another weekend open thread.
Why aren't you home enjoying the weekend w/family and friends?
Oh yea, thanks for the LTE tools, they ARE very helpful, forgot about them earlier, glad you keep pointing out all the tools the dnc provide.
Have a great weekend!
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
IMPEACH ARBUSTO NEXT!
My letter to the editor will be addressed to the attack on Senator Obama's opposition to the "Defense of Marraige" bill. I am taking a break, but this will be the topic on my mind while I continue redoing my mom's room. It's lookin' good, but lots more to do.
Burnsey, marsh: anything you'd like me to say for you as I address the folks here in Obama country?
Nationalize: Big Oil, Big Pharmaceuticals, Big Healthcare, & Big Airlines. We subsidize them so we may as well own them.
Burnsey
Being the devil I want you to know I had nothing to do with the 6-6-6 date. Those who worship my Arch Nemesis are trying to drop the blame on me.
Anyway, glad to see you sticking around.
I was curious as to who the 15 Senators are who voted against Hayden. Also, someone asked me to come up with ideas for the election campaign. How about the following: "This election is about preserving and protecting the Constitution." This is simple and could resonate with everyone. Just a thought.
fade,
My number one issue is the investigation into why we are at war with Iraq. Nothing is more solemn or serious than warring with another country, and to do so by pre-emptively sending the sons and daughters of America into a foreign country.
Clearly all reasons given, (9/11, WMD, nukes) were either massive intelligence failures or bogus contrivances for nefarious purposes. To insure that this never happens again a thorough and complete investigation must occur. If individuals are found to have deliberately misled a country into war, causing the death of thousands and the financial loss of billions, appropriate sentences should be meted out as a discouragement against this type of behavior.
So when Tweety throws out the question of investigations, remind him of the overlook Republican rubber stamp congress, and the Democrats must investigate because reporters really suck at it.
Posted by momoaizo on May 27, 2006 at 03:37 PM
No rest for the wicked?
Actually, I am heading out this afternoon for some shopping (still moving into my apartment and it's quite empty! I have hardly any furniture except a bed and a couch I got from Craig's list!) and later I am meeting a few friends from high school for dinner.
I also had a nice chat with my parents this morning. So it's a little bit of work and a little bit of play.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 03:38 PM
know you didn't ask me, but thought i'd throw in some thoughts...
the republican attack on gays seems to do nothing more than give permission to be intolerant, biased and bigoted.
most refer to the biblical verse in Liviticus 19:22 which says , "do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable
read on and in Leviticus 19 the next few chapters tell us not to cut our hair, or trim our beards or put tattoos on our body.
then we get to chapter 33: When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 the alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. love him as yourself for you were aliens in egypt.
Tracy,
i'm glad you know how to balance work and play. work is important, and your work VERY IMPORTANT. but play is very important too.
thanks again for coming in and opening up another thread. hope you have more fun and less work this weekend.
The regressives in Washington are bought and paid for by multi-national corporations so why would they pass laws that would benefit small businesses or poor folks?
***
The Corporatists are the problem. Get the corporations out of politics before it's too late. No corporation should be allowed to contribute money to a political candidate.
I pledge allegiance to the flags of global corporatism and to no republic for which they stand. All nations, under any God, divisible for quick profit, with liberty and justice for major shareholders only.
Is this where we're headed?
Up to your eyeballs in ethics investigations? Try this...
Desperate, scandal-ridden Ney's homophobic robocall
we the people
in order to form
a more perfect union
establish justice
ensure domestic tranquility
provide for the common defense
promote the general welfare and
secure the blessings of liberty
to ourselves and our prosperity
do ordain and establish this constitution
for the united states of america
This is what I will promote and defend, with my every last ounce of strength, bruno.
It is pleasant to see some small improvement in the DNC web log.
This is my first posting in quite a few months. I wasn't sure I would ever make another comment, but a friend kept prompting me to check it out . . .
Paul in McLean Virginia
Bruno I sure hope not. If we can get as many rubber-stampers out as possible, there is hope. I really think that getting people registered to vote and then making sure they do is also important. If you have to use electronic voting machines with no paper trail, mark your choices on the sample ballot you get. If there is hanky-panky, then you can say, "I know I voted this way". Just a thought.
oops, posterity, not prosperity - guess I got all corporatized, too ;p
Paul - I'm glad you did. I'm new here, myself. I'm an Independent who has voted straight Democratic since 1986. I know I'll never vote Republican again. I just don't trust them. I have to go now for a while. Be back later.
So, while everyone is sitting on their decks drinking that HORRIBLE "NEW" Bud Light (YUCK!!!!! If I wanted Coor's Lite, I'd BUY IT!!!), and waiting for the Snausages to grill, (the) White House Wants NSA Lawsuits Nixed.
Daily Kos has a well reasoned response to this rape of the Constitution.
Nice way to avoid the 'News" cycle.
BTW, since this is Memorial Day weekend, it should be noted that in the 83,950 ish days since 7-4-'76 until today, 240,000+ PEOPLE have been buried in Arlington. W has already killed over 2,400 with his little ego trip.
dpd, whats with the light beer anyhow old boy? if i am gonna drink beer i like a dark one.
I never really liked "Lite" beer, but it's a compromise thing for the constant whiners and professional complainers who always follow up their Lasagna Dinners with a chocolate torte, but complain about REAL beer being "too heavy".
Next time I ask these monotonous moaners over I'll tell them to buy their OWN damn beer and keep driving.
BTW, the "NEW" Bud Light is REALLY HORRIBLE, and the tip of my tongue is numb.
I think the Feds should look into this sleight of hand.
DPD
I'll be going out Monday to visit and pay tribute to some old friends and veterans alike at the Dallas/Ft. Worth National Cemetery.
If you want to see where vereans are buried in national cemeteries click this link to search for you friends or family.
Burial Site Locator
Bruno, don't cry for them. Honor them. Weep for the families and those currently stuck in Little Georgie's clusterf**ck.
Well, marty. That's what is GREAT about A DEMOCRACY (if you can keep it.)
(Ben the Weird Guy, sometime before TV)
DPD
You know what I fear the most is the Bush wars will drag on and my son will answer the call as did his father (me -Vietnam), grandfather (WWII), uncles (WWII & Korea), and our kinfolk all the back from WWI to the revolutionary war.
bruno thanks for that i need to get down to long island and visit my best friend's grave at the military cemetary there.
Martys go to this website dlc.org. If you want to know what's wrong with the democrats this is the group you should complain about.
And i don't wanna hear this i bid the party adieu crap,that's what Karl Rove peopl leaivng the party so that his party remains the majority forever.
Don't give up marty the real progressive democrats are starting to charge back and we are doing it now.
BBIAB, Mrs. Whiner is complaining about something. Maybe she wants some "LITE" Mayo on her 3rd Brat.
Posted by martys58 on May 27, 2006 at 05:55 PM
Marty,
you have the dnc confused with the dlc...
good luck with that position, the rest of us are here to discuss ways of disabling the stronghold the republican criminals have on our government.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 06:03 PM
as wars go, some are for reasons that are worth fighting and dieing for...
then there are the big business/big oil wars....to the people that benefit from these ...these wars are worth your sons and daughters fighting and dieing for...
Did anyone see this story about the bushies trying to stop NSA lawsuits in New York and Michigan.
So this is what they want,keep us in the dark so that the truth doesn't get out. The bushies are scared now folks.
This is what Bush, Cheney, Rummy and the rest of the Republicans want our nation to be like. And Junior "smerks" about it.
Photos Indicate Civilians Slain Execution-StyleLA Times
Anybody Know Zack Space's position on choice and gays? He's the Dem running against Bob Ney in Ohio. I went to his website, but couldn't learn anything about these two positions, which is not good.
momo
Let me start off by saying I think the invasion into Iraq was a colossal mistake.
However, most democrats in congress voted to give Bush the power to invade Iraq and expand that to fight terrorism wherever it may be. Under the constitution this power resides in Congress. If they implement a draft, and the war expands because of additional attacks on our soil, then the line between right and wrong becomes more blurred by our vision of what we want our country to be.
In the case of a draft, the issue becomes a legal one as to serve or not serve. The right answer to that question is more than difficult. Just ask most of those who served in Vietnam.
If radical Islam fascism continues in its objective of total destruction of western democracies, to be replaced with a strict global Islamic Republic, our choices will become more difficult and our options will have to include a draft.
Tracy, did my LTE to the Daily Oklahoman. It's getting to be a better paper since old man Gaylord died. Junior wants to play cowboy with his horsees at the rodeo, so the paper fell into the hands of the womenfolk. The editorials are coming in 50/50 liberal/ignorant. Hopefully we can turn Oklahoma back to the democrats.
I knew it wouldn't take you long to go from dumb, dirty, diseased Mexicans to "radical Islam fascists" bent on the "total destruction of western democracies" and taking over the world.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Bruno,
I am a vietnam era veteran, my hubby served in vietnam in 1975.
i understand the difficulty of the choices if a draft is put back into affect.
but this war on/by radical islam fascism is in effect a catch 22....
because we are there, they declare war on the infadels. because we don't understand or value any religion but christianity and judaism, we don't understand how offensive we are.
yet by simply educating and understanding, we could start on the road to avoiding a "religious world war"...
Strong Signs of Rift Among Democrats
Support for a challenger to longtime Sen. Joe Lieberman indicates tensions over Iraq war.
The liberal challenge to Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) escalated Friday when the political arm of MoveOn.org, an influential online advocacy group, endorsed the political newcomer opposing his bid for renomination.
Gaining the support of MoveOn's political action committee was Ned Lamont, a businessman who wants to unseat Lieberman largely because of the veteran lawmaker's staunch support for the war in Iraq.
Lamont's candidacy also has become a priority for many liberal websites, such as Daily Kos — whose founder, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, recently appeared in one of Lamont's television advertisements.
With the involvement of these groups, the face-off between Lieberman and Lamont in Connecticut's Aug. 8 primary has emerged as the focal point of tensions between Democratic liberals and centrists over the party's direction.
"This is a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party," said Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. "It will have repercussions for the 2008 presidential campaign and whether centrists will feel comfortable within the Democratic Party."
LA Times
Now here's one that I find quite disturbing.. currently, the internet provides the only real way for us to get both sides of any story... congress is currently trying to put a stop to that "leak" in the name of protecting and enhancing the profits of big business..
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/05/25/the.web.toll/index.html
Jeez, you'd think this was a holiday weekend...
it is slooooowwwww today......
momoaizo, last week Randi Rhodes was talking about when she went on Larry King's show with three Repubs and one of them kept trying to get her to agree that the Iraqis "are evil". She wouldn't do it. On her show the next monday when she was talking about it, she told the story of Jessica Lynch whom the Bush administration tried to make into this big war fighting hero that emptied her weapon before she was captured. The truth was she passed out in the car wreck and never fired a shot. And the way the US military found her was by an Iraqi "Good Samaritan" who worked in the hospital she was being treated at telling them where she was. So Randi asked, "Are these the people I'm supposed to think of as evil?"
most democrats in congress voted to give Bush the power to invade Iraq
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Bruno, actually this is wtong. It is important that everyone know that this is wrong. 58% of the democrats voted against the war in Iraq. And the 42% that did should never believe another word of this administration.
just you and me domingo?
the spin the spin...where are they taking us?
gotta go get some kfc, bbl....
Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border, take the dirt and raise the
levees in New Orleans and put the Florida alligators in the moat.
Any other problems you want me to solve?
^5 to OFG and his bringing the TRUTH to the "most times" ignorant PUGS who only seem to like to watch FAUX news and read RED news papers.
They don't HEAR the truth so to them it doesn't exist.
Bruno, etc please take that bit of TRUTH back to your dark den of shame and tack it on the cave wall OR ROVE'S shiney bald head and READ IT!!! (will ya?)
I get so damn tired hearing all the DEMS voted for this gdm war!!! HOG WASH!
And Hillary better hope she gets re-elected to the senate cuz her days are numbered too... now that she's lying down with DOGS named Rupert!
ARGH!
Oilfield Guy
It is important that everyone know that this is wrong. 58% of the democrats voted against the war in Iraq
I don't know where you get your numbers but here is the Senate and House vote totals.
The Senate voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.
Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
This vote opened the door for the president to invade Iraq.
Domingo
Do you ever get tired of just being silly? By your posts you seem to indicate that you don't have the slighest idea how legislation is passed or what processes are required to gain control of congress.
I have also read MANY places many times since this MESS that MOST of those that voted for it NOW regret doing so.
Silly? What part of my objecting to your bashing of Gays, Mexicans, Muslims and who knows what group it will be next week, and your defending of slavery and the old Confederacy have to do with, "how legislation is passed or what processes are required to gain control of congress"?
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 07:18 PM
I have seen Randi on MSNBC and CNN recently and she LEADS the show every time she's on. Her recall of the important issues and facts is phenomenal! IMO!
and PAULIE if you're still reading.... THANKS for all the email info :-)
OK, I think I know what your caned answer will be. "If we don't persecute those groups, the Democrats can't win", right?
lets please keep in mind that the vote for war was made based on "evidence" that was only later proved to be false.
Not to dismiss failures to ask more questions or observe logic.. but one must keep in mind the climate of the day, where the threat of imminant nuclear attack was implied by the same president who, only a short time previous to that, stated an attack by anthrax was about to happen. And he was correct. The real debate on this topic should revolve around this government keeping the facts surrounding it's most suspicious failures secret. For example, the way they refuse to this day to release all info related to the anthrax when high government involement is highly suspected.. or FAA reports on 9/11 failures to respond according to established policy, when what they have released has been proven bogus.. or the redacted pages of the 9/11 commission report... or... I am sure i could find a couple hundred other things to list here.
So here we sit, arguing over who voted for this war of lies and profit, when any congress that was actually on the ball would be demanding hand cuffs and criminal investigations for treason rather than perpetuating the lie in an effort to save political face...
I expect it to be on Chris Matthews next. He's such a right ARM pundUNCE! That garbage he couldn't stop chatting about Hillary and Bill's marriage when never once mentioning the demise of W's marriage as well???? And that he's been drinking again??? According the the SAME article!!
And when did these lackies start copy and pasting from RAG Magazines? Is that some kind of thing Rupert taught them to do (being he owns a few RAGS himself?)
I hate those basTURDS! I really do! I only hope their day will come (soon) and they will pay SOME price in blood or money for the way they've ruined this country for decades!!!
maybe that's harsh but they've driven us ALL to the brink!!! They will surely REAP WHAT THEY SOW
Noam Chomsky on Book TV (C-SPAN 2)
Addressing Naval Acadamy, I think.
Topic: JUST WARS
If anyone is interested in looking at the lobbyist filing disclosures go to
http://sopr.senate.gov/cgi-win/m_opr_viewer.exe?DoFn=0
you can choose how you want to look up, I did Government Entity Contacted and year (if you hold down the ctrl button you can choose more than one search item)
click the drop down button at the end of SENATE (then you can choose White house it is at the bottom of the list) I choose year 2005 (because 2006 isnt filed yet)
the results are here:
http://sopr.senate.gov/cgi-win/m_opr_viewer.exe?DoFn=3
you can click on the mid year or year end report, some are hard to read but you can scroll down the report and see their $ amount for the year (for example - Alcoa has $660,000
very interesting to see which companies are list with the white house
And now that I'm good and angry.......... I think I'll sign off for a while. Slow day anyway looks like.
Karma do your stuff!! SOON!
Peace
It was the U.S. Military Academy.
He responded to some questions about the Mid-east area "wars".
I knew we had armed Saddam but he detailed some things like.....Iraq was on one of the "evil" lists but Reagan "took him off" in 1982 so he could supply him with weapons.
Thankyou dk2(if you are out there)for the instructions. I wondered off and just now came back.
Dawnie
Without a doubt many democrats and probably some republicans regret their vote. Because of 9/11 they were trying to project unity. I doubt many members of congress believed the president would actually lie to take us to war.
Domingo
What part of my objecting to your bashing of Gays, Mexicans, Muslims and who knows what group it will be next week, and your defending of slavery and the old Confederacy
That statement by you is so outrageous it can't be called anything but a lie.
I have never bashed gays. I have never supported slavery and I don’t see how you equate expecting immigrants to respect our law when they come here to bashing.
Are you really so naive that you don't see the major conflict brewing between Christianity and Islam?
Thank goosness you are someone who just plays with politics. With your skillset you make Bush look smart.
With your skillset you make Bush look smart.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 08:16 PM
well that was kinda below the belt.
here's a quote from some french guy named Voltaire:
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Posted by dk2 on May 27, 2006 at 07:57 PM
my second link doesnt work right, but if you use the steps I listed, you can look up any of the companies lobbying and who they are lobbying.
Posted by hoipolloi on May 27, 2006 at 08:11 PM
your welcome, I hope it helped.
ps: that quote was not aimed at Bruno, but put out as a reminder of what we fight to defend, and what the current administration seems determined to take away..
Here is another quote for your consideration:
Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned; that until there are no longer first class and second class citizens of any nation; that until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes; that until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all, without regard to race; that until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but fleeting illusions, to be pursued but never attained.
Haile Selassie
Tune
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
And I do. Domingo has it in for me Tom, Driftwood, and ----------- (matthew) because we opposed blanket legalization for illegal immigrants.
That's his right and it's my right to correct him when he accuses me of being racist or a bigot.
Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border, take the dirt and raise the
levees in New Orleans and put the Florida alligators in the moat....
So, Who digs the moat?
Dawnie i agree Matthews is an idiot that interview he did with dean was so waisted. The Clinton Marriage? Not Gossip? Who the hell cares about that topic.
I'll never understand why Matthews still has a job on the air maybe it's because he's part of "The MSM".
Oh and Chris keep your mouth shut and don't interrupt the next time you ask someone a question.
Tune
The way I understand it the Ethiopian Emperor Haile Selassie (I) was to Rastafarians a philosophical guru type. Sometimes out of touch with his own realities.
Reality sometimes must take precedent based on pramatic factors that exceed the philosophical
the concept of "blanket legalization" is a bit confusing and confused.
First, I don't think it was proposed by anyone here or in congress to grant such immunity to prosecution in perpetuity.. eg those here today are not mentioned in the same breath as those who come tomorrow..
Second, I think anyone wanting discuss the topic should first think long and hard on the implications - and consequences - of making legal targets of many millions of people. The concept of bringing them to justice, while noble in the context of the law, is simply beyond the ability of the system to carry out. We have already seen a small sample of the demonstrations and anger the line of reasoning has generated, and this just from talking about it. Trying to actually do it would quickly become a civil war. This has to be, and has been, concidered by congress.
Granted many parts of their alternative seem to be utter bullshit, and seem targeted to give further favor to the corporate. I postulate the theory that the entire immigration issue is a red herring, a distraction, and also a symptom of the real illness which shows itself as a common thread in every issue facing the nation today - the power of the corporate to ammend the constitution and dictate policy in the name of profit.
Tune
Try following the legalization leaders like Navito Lopex. Even Senator Feinstien (sp) proposed an amendment, which was voted down, to grant a path to citizenship to 11-12 million illegal immigrants.
is simply beyond the ability of the system to carry out. We have already seen a small sample of the demonstrations and anger the line of reasoning has generated, and this just from talking about it. Trying to actually do it would quickly become a civil war.
I don't believe that is a reality even though most aren't seeking it. By your thoughtful statements I guess you missed much of the debate here.
If the criteria for avoiding civil war is open borders then it will not be avoided. The issues of sustainability have to be factored in. Water systems, public schools, county hostpital costs, landfills, housing etc.etc.
By examining the process for bringing family members in after receiving a greencard the totals according to several studies commissioned by congress would put the total at 93-100 million, nearly one-third of the total population in the next 20 years.
Tune
I need to step out for a while. I'll leave you two sources, one conservative and one liberal, that explore the numbers in great detail. If you have time I think you'll find the research worthwhile.
Conservative Source
Liberal Source
Who said anything about opening the borders for free immigration?
It seems to me they are looking to streamline the legal variety, while attempting to stem the illegal type. the two are vastly different, unlike the old west "homesteading" concept legal immigration works towards placing the person where the benefit is a two way street as opposed to having them drop anchor first place they can generate some coin.
As for the civil war bit, I stand by it. finding and deporting millions who have become adept at flying under the radar is a daunting task. You cant do it without infuriating millions more who are here legally, and who came here to escape the same oppression as most of those not here legally.
In the past two months we have seen violence in schools and massive demonstrations and rallies in the streets just from TALKING about it. Making it law will antagonize that situation. such is human nature, especially when fueled by something called "culture clash".
Yes there is a percentage that are here as part of a crime system. A small percentage of the total. the rest are here because to survive one needs to eat.
And that said, I am moving off this topic because I have had my say and am now just repeating myself.
I don't know where you get your numbers but here is the Senate and House vote totals.
The Senate voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.
Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
Posted by Bruno on May 27, 2006 at 07:32 PM
I can see someone is confused here. I get my numbers from the roll call vote and I will walk you through this. Focus only on the Democratic legislators votes.
In the House 81Y 126N
In the Senate 29Y 21N
That's 110 Democratic votes for the war in Iraq
And 147 Democratic votes against the war in Iraq
For a total of 257 votes or...dang Bruno, you busted me gettin all fast and loose with my figgers, 57% of Democrats voting against the war in Iraq.
Anyone care to do the math on the rubber stamp Republicans?
Focus only on the Democratic legislators votes.
In the Senate 29Y 21N
Correct me if I'm wrong but 29+21 = 50.
When did the democrats get 50 Senators?
I'm baaaaaaaaack!
I WISH we had 50 DEM Senators! Could you be including our one Independent? WE still don't have even 49 Dem senators do we?
OFG give us a linkie will ya? If you can?
I hate math! All I know for sure is MOST regret it now except for a few stray DINOS. Even a gaggle of Rinos are feeling the same regrets.
I wish Hagel would just change parties and make me get really excited! He seems so reasonable sometimes. Gives me hope. Small but it's something! I love when they switch to DEM. Speaking of X pugs that switched where is our sweet mascot DELL been?
(I'm NOT calling you out btw, just missin ya)
We used to have a lot more Senators than just half, but the Republicans can lie better than we can tell the truth.
But you can click here and count them yourself.
Posted by ap215 on May 27, 2006 at 08:35 PM
Oh oh and CreepyChris just HATESSSSS it when Howard sounds so smart about the realities of everything political! He's got this job nailed. I couldn't be prouder of him even if I had been for him for Prezeldent in the first place.
Had I spent as much time listening to him speak as I have SINCE the election I think even Clark would have lost my vote. Well maybe not but he'd be up there with him.
He's quick! I like that. I hate when they do the UM and ugh and all that as they try to process their practiced answer. Like Ken MELMAN as example. He's hideous!
That's to the Iraq vote of the 107th congress, second session in October 2002.
Posted by Dawnie on May 27, 2006 at 10:03 PM
Hey, you musta channelled me or something, lol. I've been a lurking machine here at home, but the internet has been taken away from us while we're at work. I work in like an hour, yeech.
Posted by Oilfieldguy on May 27, 2006 at 10:06 PM
Thanks! Very Interesting! That dingbat Byrd at least had his marble right for that vote. His votes lately have been very ZELL like!!! Have you noticed?
Posted by Dawnie on May 27, 2006 at 10:08 PM
I think Coulter is pretty awful at the umms and aghs too. She gets schooled everytime I've seen her on TV lately.
Posted by DeLLBerto on May 27, 2006 at 10:10 PM
{{{DELLB}}}} Hola Amigo!!! been missin ya! How's life? Family? etc? :-D
I remember a few years ago, they were touting Coulter as the "Prettiest Republican Voice" or some such nonesense. I'm sorry, but I'd have to have at least a keg's worth of VODKA in me before I'd even debate hittin' on her.
Posted by DeLLBerto on May 27, 2006 at 10:12 PM
COULTER??????? (let me find my cross)
you're gonna jinx this thread dude! She's wretched to the core!! Spawn of the underworld! ewwwwwwwwww!
Posted by Dawnie on May 27, 2006 at 10:15 PM
Yeah, jeesh. My bad, she just bugged the crap outta me last time I seen her on TV. She made my stomach churn.
We better hope to hell we can get this election won in 2006. Otherwise I fear we will soon find ourselves in some sick police state style society. CrooksandLiars.com has some more information on this.
We have to keep our energy levels up so we can write the inspired letters to the editor and walk the streets of our neighborhoods with the necessary literature to get this job done.
Amen to that and to those stupid and misguided religious right heads who think their ass is going to heaven when the global warming comes...
lol i just remembered I don't OWN a cross!
Dell it was a gorgeous day here and aside from some sneezing from all the bloomage I'm well.
danke! Hey when are you guys gonna get rid of that sicko named sessions? He is from Wisc. right?
Hate to be a "driveby" poster but I've gotta get going now... put the kids to bed and all that fun stuff... I will try to post later, maybe find a proxy server from work tonight and see what happens.
Altering the reality of failure
by Mark Mellman
~snip~
Only one other action the president could take before November has any possibility of producing a meaningful upturn in Bush’s ratings — a major troop withdrawal from Iraq. Many have been speculating about this possibility for months. With the increasing violence there, from the perspective of the president’s policy arguments, a withdrawal seems even less likely than it did a few months ago. But the political dynamics may be more compelling than the policy ramifications.
The logic is simple, if cynical. No president with approval ratings under 50 percent has lost fewer than the 15 seats Democrats need to retake the House. A Democratic House would make life more difficult for the president by setting a different agenda, one more in tune with public preferences. The only way to raise those approval ratings and help prevent a Democratic takeover is to withdraw troops from Iraq. It is hard to imagine any other policy change or scheduled event in the next six months that is capable of producing a meaningful increase in the president’s ratings — which brings them back to withdrawal.
[October Surprise?]
Coulter needs some serious counseling to get under that fierce face of anger she possesses. She's one of the meanest and most insecure people I've ever seen. It's too bad because someone must have messed her up bad, and she thinks she is coming on so strong and righteous. My God.
Posted by Orangutan on May 27, 2006 at 10:19 PM
Hey LTNS you either Orangutan! Well I can't do the walking part much but sure write a LOT of letters (mostly to the MSM) Our local papers are all BLUE here I've found so aside from writing them letters of appreciation occasionally I haven't had reason to complain and they are mostly ahead of even ME on what's up. Sooooooo glad!
Dell - my TV would explode if I left it on for more than a minute with her ooogly peroxide mug on the screen! ooooooogly! And I'm being nice. ;-]
Posted by fade2bluz on May 27, 2006 at 10:21 PM
ooooo {{fade}} good to read you! :-)
GNITE DELLB!! I'll cya when I cya! Hugs to the wife and kids too!
Very cool Dawnie. Letters to the Editor are going to get the job done as far as I'm concerned.
I just saw The Da Vinci Code tonight and that was a good movie too. More and more people I think are finally starting to question the official versions of some old stories.
The Iraq war is getting me sick. The official 9/11 story has me perplexed. And these elections coming up have me hopeful. Other than that I'm tired as hell and ready for bed.
Lots of Love to everyone!!! We'll get the job done.
Posted by Orangutan on May 27, 2006 at 10:28 PM
They banned the DaVinci movie in Waynesville. Luckily I don't like there anymore. I think Deb and I are going to see it in Asheville soon. At least that was the plan. Her hubby is home this weekend so I won't bug her about it. If we see it we see it. If not it's not biggy! I do want to see the Al Gore movie. Wait I'm wrong. Deb and I are seeing AL's movie. I'm confused. LOL
I don't LIVE there!! I don't LIKE them for banning movies! It's so damn UN AMERICAN!!!!
Has anybody read this over at Media Matters?
It's really long rant about the Republicans kewl, Democrats icky meme rampantly running through the corporate media. On point is the NYT front page pantysniffing article on HillBill. This is seen as okiedokie to do to Democrats.
But Maverick, straight talker McCain is an authentic Murkin. It's not worth mentioning his several affairs before he divorced his first wife only to marry a rich socialite a month later to catapault him into his career as a political insider.
Not worth mentioning these days McCain must've drifted away from his current wife, as he was unaware she has turned into a degenerate drug abuser, who bought her dope by stealing from a charity she had set up.
I hadn't heard about it either, but I'm not married to the junkie. These petty one-way cheap shots against dems have got to stop. If sex lives are okay to air on the front pages, and then drool over on the talking head shows, then let's be fair about it. The Republicans are the party of abstinence, right?
So let's check out Cindasleezy Rice shall we? Is she really the master of her domain, or is that shetland pony rumor true? I don't believe a word about the pony stories I keep hearing, but there out there, right Cokie Roberts? Does Harriet Miers have the some exotic tastes?
Whenever you come across this stuff, through it back in their faces. We have to let the corporate media know we are not going to tolerate this anymore. End of rant.
Mathews has got to be the WORST talk host ever.
Big suck-up, he takes 1/2 hr. to ask a question, gives 10 seconds for the answer and interrupts twice.
It's all about Chris, the "in" guy, and consider yourself lucky if you can even hear anyone else speak.
I feel like I am eavesdropping on a private conversation. I try to avoid it cause I just end up yelling at the TV.
The Project for a New American Century.
www.newamericancentury.org
Rebuilding America's Defenses.
P. 51 of actual document. (63 of 90 on Acrobat)
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
OFG I'm ROFLOL at the PONY reference!!!!
reallllly! LOL!
Yes the mediamatters story was emailed to me earlier tonight by Paulie!! He's right on top of it! Too bad the MSM isn't!
Hi, everyone.
I have to be a drive by poster tonight, too.
I found this passage from Bob Herbert's column to dynamic. It sums up a situation that no one in the media or political circles wants to face. It could be the defining issue of our time. Social unrest and revolutions have been started for a lot less. Are the Republicans sitting on a time bomb?
"A chapter in "The Disposable American" details the plight of exquisitely trained airline mechanics who found themselves laid off from jobs that had paid up to $31 an hour. Mr. Uchitelle writes: "Not enough jobs exist at $31 an hour — or at $16 an hour, for that matter — to meet the demand for them. Jobs just don't materialize at cost-conscious companies to absorb all the qualified people who want them."
The most provocative question raised by Mr. Uchitelle is whether the private sector is capable of generating enough good jobs at good pay to meet the demand of everyone who is qualified and wants to work.
If it cannot (and so far it has not), then what? If education and training are not the building blocks to solid employment, what is? These are public policy questions of the highest importance, and so far they are being ignored.
Oil Field Guy.
What the rumor with Condi Rice? I haven't heard jack about her lately. And about Harriet Myers. I always wonder how these family first people view the fact that these girls aren't married etc.
Posted by hoipolloi on May 27, 2006 at 10:38 PM
and he absolutely LOVESSSSSS RUDY AND MCCAIN!!
what's THAT tell you? He interviews sleeze all the time and treats them like gold. Same with TIM RUSSERT!!! but with TIM its all about his DAD!!
I love Keith O, Jack Cafferty and that's about it for on TV anchors. I love David Schuster when he reports in to Keith or others as well. Can't think of any others right now.
then there is Stewart and Colbert of course
"We have to let the corporate media know we are not going to tolerate this anymore."
hello all...joining for awhile ... looks like this place is alive. not any lack of (bad) news no thanks to kingbush and his corrupt court.
yep, oilfieldguy, america's corporate media aka corrupt soundbytes.
HI and BYE {{Sandy}}
Hey AM1 welcome aboard the Democrat Saturday Night SOUL Train baby!! ;-)
So let's check out Cindasleezy Rice shall we? Is she really the master of her domain, or is that shetland pony rumor true? I don't believe a word about the pony stories I keep hearing, but there out there, right Cokie Roberts? Does Harriet Miers have the some exotic tastes?
Explanation please.
Posted by Orangutan on May 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Keep digging through all that manure. There has got to be a pony in there somewhere.
thanks for the welcome dawnie.
listening to news ... kingbush talking to the west point cadets. the soundbytes that the war on terrorism started on his watch and will end on theirs? what a spinning lier. the war on terrorism didn't start on his watch. his war in iraq started on his watch. does he have a memory lapse. the same photo op bullhorn guy on the 911 rubble saying we'd go after those responsible...dead or alive...maybe a selective memory.
"let's check out Cindasleezy Rice" connivingcondie is an opportunist. mastering the paino to mastering the media spin.
AM1
he's apparently totally convinced that if he says it OFTEN enough over and over it will magically become truth. He's even said as much.
Ya know......... he's pretty much dead weight now but the PUGS in Congress and the Senate are really starting to annoy me with their obstinence and sudden need to prove how much they are RACISTS it seems.
Remember when that jerk turned the lights and mic off on Sen. Conyers a while back? He's a hideous excuse for a man. He and DUNCAN HUNTER and JOHN ROBERTS are really really standing out for me lately as ones that NEED to be removed before they do any more damage!!!
anyone have any stats on when their terms are UP and if they have adequate DEMS to fight for their positions?
I can't remember that jerks name. He's also the one I think LOU Dobbs has annointed the Second Coming of (david duke if you ask me) SOMEbody special! the PUKE
OFG thanks for the link earlier! and the laughs! Have a nice weekend!! Peace!
"(msnbc) Alleged killings by Marines could enflame Iraqis Scandal brewing over civilian deaths in town sympathetic to insurgents
Updated: 2 hours ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military is bracing for a major scandal over the alleged slaying of Iraqi civilians by Marines in Haditha — charges so serious they could threaten President Bush’s effort to rally support at home for an increasingly unpopular war."
yikes, bush not only broke the "pottery rule" he smashed it...arrogant and drunk on political capital.
Posted by america1st on May 27, 2006 at 11:09 PM
:-(( that's gonna be really sad. I hate that people will turn on OUR troops when this was a more a BAD company with an even WORSE company commander!
Not (thank GOD) something the whole battalion or division or military as a whole is doing........ won't matter. Only takes a few.
It'a not the republicans fault if people are dumb
People registering to vote or signing petitions at Orange County shopping centers are entrusting their personal information to unregulated signature gatherers, some with rap sheets for child molestation, prostitution, methamphetamine use and immigrant smuggling, an Orange County Register investigation found.
"Half the (petitioners) are crack- or meth-heads. It's to get cash for their next fix," said Lynn Litheredge, a petition and voter registration circulator from Las Vegas who has worked on and off in Orange County for two years.
In a world where new Republican registrations pay up to $8 apiece and each name on a petition brings at least $1, signature gatherers have grown creative in chasing down the ka-ching. The industry is especially hot in California, where petition drives tripled in recent years in an effort to take democracy to the streets.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1158949.php
dawnie,
yep, our finest will be raked over the coals...i always blame kingbush for putting them in harms ways. the fallout is going to overwhelming. overseas journalists will make this a major story while fox-rove media here gives it soundbytes. i'm afraid we and once proud military are tarnished. and, still no osama.
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 11:17 PM
:-O jaw on floor
fade is never out. she's like a shade...there and not there. hello fade?
apparently the marines in question were returned to california after the investigation began. there defense will rest their case on that they were pushed over the edge. they were mentally and physically stressed. the military will need to appease the world and come down hard. of course, this will then look like the higher ups get off and rank and file get the screws. like after the prison flap and lying rummie. yep, this is now creeping into the news...and it will replace karl rove's diversion...immmigration.
AM1 - no matter I just liked that hopeful article she posted earlier. I'm gonna try to keep that at the top of my mind when I try to sleep later.
I can't believe I am so consummed with this garbage that I'm wasting a Saturday night discussing it yet again. LOL
no hope for me
We just had a bunch of these crooks register people as Republicans after the people told them they wanted to register as Democrats. Now they can't vote in the Deomcratic primary.
Ricker said it's OK to hire ex-criminals to collect sensitive information, as long as they no longer break any laws.
"People pay their debt to society. (They) make mistakes, and they pay for their mistakes," he said. "I don't think I have any murderers in my crew."
Ricker's crew does include 23-year-old Jessica Sundell, a former methamphetamine addict and ex-prostitute who went by the street name "Cupcake."
Eight people registered by Sundell complained to local election officials or the Register, including Tamara Vravis, 37, of Anaheim. Vravis said she was switched from the Democratic Party to Republican without her consent.
Vravis learned from a reporter that she had also given her personal information to someone once saddled with a $50-a-day meth habit.
"I'm not happy right now," Vravis said. "I will never sign another petition."
Sundell, who said she tried prostitution only once, denied flipping Vravis, or anyone else.
"The reason they switched (parties) was they wanted to help me get money," said Sundell, who lives in a Fullerton motel. "I'd say, 'I get a bonus for marking this as Republican. You don't have to vote that way and you can always change it later.'"
"Maybe the work pool we had to pull from aren't the best people you want out there," said Randall, who fired two signature gatherers because they "weren't the quality of the people that I felt should be out there representing the Republican Party."
Randall's standards come despite his own past: He pleaded guilty in 2002 to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1158949.php
wdst is really good tonite:
http://wdstvip.com/streaming.php
or:
go ride the music
“America in the view of many Iraqis has no credibility. We do not believe what they say is correct,” said Sheik Sattar al-Aasaf, a tribal leader in Anbar province, which includes Haditha. “U.S. troops are a very well-trained and when they shoot, it isn’t random but due to an order to kill Iraqis. People say they are the killers.”
yep, forget the flowers and candy at our finest's feet.
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 11:28 PM
I bet you a thousand dollars that you'll never see Matthews reporting on THAT one!!! Are you from Orange County? I didn't look but is that the Orange Cty in Fla? or Calif?
KEWL {{greggy}} drat I just missed johnny winter!
Thanks! Maybe they'll play werewolves of london next? (ribrib)
Dawnie,
yep, please keep positive...demos will not to need to do anything except watch as the repubs turn more negative...heck, i'm thrillin' to see kingbush below 20% ... approaching shotgun dick at an 18%?
ohhhhhhh wow this is totally awesome gregg!!!!
and I don't have my stereo up here so now that I've bookmarked this link I am SET!!!
nor i...fade raised the shade and the light is back in. hi fade!
Heck, I'm mad that nobody in the media will mention the over 20 years of business conections between Ken Lay, Enron, and Junior. You know darn well that if it was a Democrat president they'd never shup-up about it.
dpd i figure you are out there taking a meat ax to the remaining snausages and embers on the bbq grill before they rise up and devour you...so back to beer. had a young relative --25--come by with her boyfriend who was said to be a beer drinker...so i get a six pack of beck's dark and one of light....he says "gotta bud?" i offer the beck's and he chooses not to have anything.
another similar situation. in this one the guy uses his cell phone to call someone else on their way over to pick up coors silver bullets...i was offering heineken...
go figure, kids today, can't buy em a drink, can't drink what they're buyin....
and that would be my contribution for tonite...oh and nice punk out by bush...when staff threaten to quit one usually tells them not to let the door hit them in the ass...etc.
but bush is on bended knees,
saying stay with me,
stay with me,
please?
gregggggg awesommmeeee... opened a separate window to read while i rock.
gregg
that is just wrongggggg about the Heineys! I don't even drink beer and even I know that's about as good as it gets in the U.S.
I think I remember St. Paulie Girl also being a good dark beer?
or was that only in the 70's? LOL
Heck, I'm mad that nobody in the media will mention the over 20 years of business conections between Ken Lay, Enron, and Junior. You know darn well that if it was a Democrat president they'd never shup-up about it...
domingo, to sound repititious...the fox-rove corrupt media controls those soundbytes...they played the kennedy prescription drug episode like it was a choir.
america, yeah sometimes they are just great. glad you like em. they broadcast from the town of woodstock up in the catskill mountains.
Posted by Domingo on May 27, 2006 at 11:42 PM
exactly! I've not heard a word about it. I also don't understand why they are not at ALL suspicious of the sudden rally of PUGS around Jefferson?
Even Pelosi says he needs to resign! How OBVIOUS can they get? If it were reversed??????? HA! It would be every channel 24/7!!!
here is the kerry story. it is in sunday's ny times:
By KATE ZERNIKE
Published: May 28, 2006
John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia."
Graphic: Kerry's New Evidence He moves on to the photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam; the harbor; the mountains fading frame by frame as the boat heads north; the special operations team the boat was ferrying across the border; the men reading maps and setting off flares.
"They gave me a hat," Mr. Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it from his briefcase. "I have the hat."
Three decades after the Vietnam War and nearly two years after Mr. Kerry's failed presidential bid, most Americans have probably forgotten why it ever mattered whether he went to Cambodia or that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth accused him of making it all up, saying he was dishonest and lacked patriotism.
But among those who were on the front lines of the 2004 campaign, the battle over Mr. Kerry's wartime service continues, out of the limelight but in some ways more heatedly — because unlike then, Mr. Kerry has fully engaged in the fight. Only those on Mr. Kerry's side, however, have gathered new evidence to support their case.
kerry and swiftsmear
"but bush is on bended knees,
saying stay with me,
stay with me,
please?"
gregg my friend, this is what'cha get when political capital is loose change. i'd suppose he's already been refused a political credit card. guys like delay can't help much either. yep, maybe, just maybe, america will soon be calling in their loans.
here is some information on what some illegal aliens are doing stateside:
With Illegal Immigrants Fighting Wildfires, West Faces a Dilemma
By KIRK JOHNSON
Published: May 28, 2006
SALEM, Ore. — The debate over immigration, which has filtered into almost every corner of American life in recent months, is now sweeping through the woods, and the implications could be immense for the coming fire season in the West.
As many as half of the roughly 5,000 private firefighters based in the Pacific Northwest and contracted by state and federal governments to fight forest fires are immigrants, mostly from Mexico. And an untold number of them are working here illegally.
fire
gregg, i like...i like...btw...i was 20 when woodstock happened and living on the opposite coast.
Forgot to paste in the link for the article that I snipped, above. Sorry. Phone rang and prematurely posted.
Paul sent this out and it's an awesome story for those Kerry fans who were waiting for this. Count me among that group. How many lies before you're liars, Swifties?
gregg...just bookmarked this music site. thanks again buddie!
yes, gregg...indeed it is. you were posting while i was fiddling.
goodnight y'all...i'm way tired.
Dawnie
I have a knock knock joke for you. Will you please start it?
he wrote alot of checks with other people's asses didn't he america? maybe folks are beginning to get pissed off....i sure hope.
in case anyone missed this bit of news:
Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 26, 2006; Page A03
The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
i guess gracie slick was right---"science is mankind's brother"
gregg,
never to late...kerry needs to expose this rove-cult. i shook my head in disgust after 2004... how could america ever buy an absentee-national-doggin'-bar-stool-drunk as strong on terrorism vs someone who actually saw combat and witnessed carnage and weak on terrorism? i still am perplexed. i guess middle america is that stupid.
america, i was twenty one and being a new yawker was able to attend woodstock. we walked in saturday morning by coming up from the barryville area and leaving the car on a back road. we stayed till late that night and walked out...back to the car and home...i couldn't get my mind into sleeping in the mud.
did do the fish cheer with country joe and hundreds of thousands of others!
Greg what year was woodstock? 196? I forget. Just curious. Did you go? I bet that was a GREAT concert!
TOM - usually if someone says please I obligue. I am really having a great time so far tonight and can't quite make myself walk into a trap. Tom you are a card carrying PUG right? I just can't trust PUGS. Sorry.
yeah america i could not believe that the swift bullshit stuck and after they had done it to mccain and cleland....but once again i underestimated...saw a two hour thing on pbs recently that was about goebels and his media machine for hitler...very enlightening.
must rest take care all.
My fellow trolls unite!
If you are being paid what you are worth
If the only way to stop Bin Laden is to invade Iran
If you have great healthcare
If Bush is right
If Dems pose a threat to our way of life
If you agree with these statements, i urge you to follow my link, and see the truth!
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.php
Hmmm. my mistake then. Ok here goes.........
sigh
knock knock
gnite Gregg!! (again MUCH thanks for that link)
ok I was still a punk kid in 69. I remember my older brother (16) wanted to go and my dad just laughed!
ya lost me Tom
but it's late so I'll use that as an excuse (lol)
It was 1969 and i was sweet 16...still have my woodstock sweatshirt...allowed my daughter to wear it to school once, real torn, but still wearable...light blue, white guitar handle with dove sitting on it....
didn't get it by going, mom wouldn't let me drive up from miami, girlfriend went with her brother and his friends, she got it for me....
how i wish....
Posted by america1st on May 28, 2006 at 12:01 AM
I think I read John Kerry got MORE votes than any other Dem EVER! So he didn't do too bad. He was just cheated in OHIO.
Like GORE was cheated in FLORIDA! (different reasons but still cheated)
I hope someone is ON the black box voting thing. And making sure we have plenty of places with plenty of machines this time around!! IN DEM PRECINTS!!!
gregg,
i guess gracie slick was right---"science is mankind's brother"
Posted by gregg at May 27, 2006 11:58 PM
that's another war kingbush is wagin'...amazin' how he always selects the weak and feeble...medical marijuana patients...at this point, i'm so disgusted with kingbush i'd be willing to trade him for the leader of iran. the point i was trying to make last nite, the leader of iran was at least seeing reaching out...this plays well...kingbush invading iraq, shaking down cuba and venezuela, and north korea has already imprinted him as the boogie man. ok, enough said. back to this marijuana issue. a non-issue. the majority of americans are for medical marijuana. we've spent billions on this failed "drug" war. why does he continue "his drug war?" the same reason he continues "his iraq" war," he likes insanity.
and grace slick, beautiful woman and voice...jefferson airplane were awesome live.
precincts? how do you spell that anyway? LOL
I'm fazing out. Where are my toothpiks?
Bruno, Billy Bob, and Driftwood were all still in the military when Woodstock hit. They did tell me some wild stories from the Atlanta pop festival in 1970. They met people with strange names like Sandoz, Purple Micro Dot, and Orange Sunshine.
They said the night started off with the Allman Brothers Band, Johnny Winters, then Winters jammed with the Allmans, followed by Canned Heat and 10 Years After, then Hendrix on the 4th of July doing the national Anthem.
sounds like you got pretty close momo...sounds like you got the spirit of the thing.
nite friends. for real this time.
FEED YOU HEEEEAAAADDDD, FEED YOUR HEEEAAADDD
nobody sings it like grace....
nite gregg, peace to you
Tom - make new friends, but keep the old, one is silver and the other gold.....
Posted by Tom_Terrific on May 28, 2006 at 12:20 AM
is your real name sybil? I have a hard time believing those are all different people
if so - why do they support PUGS? Or why do they ACT like they do?
hey Dawnie, been lurking....
we were suppose to go camping and rafting this weekend, but hubby hurt his back and has been bed-ridden...
The only reason i haven't gone crazy is because i can come here and get lost.....
Nantahala?? (Sp)
bummerrrrrrrrr! sorry to hear it! So which service were you again? and where did you serve? I totally GET what you mean about coming here! When it's a troll free night like tonight!
gregg,
you were the lucky soul to be on the east coast. saw country joe at concerts here on the west. what a foot stomper..."vietnam rag" echos in my mind. when i think about the iraqmire the song replays.
oopsss falling behind ... maybe missed, but if not, good nite and thanks gregg! peace...gosh, haven't said that in over 30 years.
Nolichucky
USAF - Patrick, AFB, Cocoa Beach, FL
the worst of it is even tho this is considered a resort base, I was from FL and joined to see the world!
worked in Base Ops - where pilots filed their flight plans...so was able to catch hops and go just about anywhere, but really wanted to be based out of FL.
Don't cry for me Argentina...
awww
I love saying PEACE!!
we all should say it more.......... maybe SOMEONE will be brainwashed in a GOOD way from it?
ya think? lol
Well it's one two three, what are we fightin' for
well, i don't give a damn,
next stop is Iraq-nam,
well, it's five, six, seven,
open up the pearly gates,
well there ain't no time to wonder why,
whoopee, we're all goin' ta die
Posted by momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 12:36 AM
doh where's my mind!! I remember you saying that before! Love Cocoa Bch! My brother went 2yrs of college there. Mostly surfed (from what I heard) LOL
Good Evening Guys,
Could you read this and let me know what you think?
For What It's Worth
america and Momoaizo - you know this song, don't you?
aHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh I love this song!!
Lawyers GUNS and MONEY!!! GREgggggggg!
come on all ya strong young men
uncle sam needs your help again
way down yonder in iraqi-nam
so put down your books and pick up a gun
we're all going to have a lots of fun
and it's one, two, three, four
what are we fightin' for?
don't know and don't give a damm
next stop is iraqi-nam...
Dawnie
I work for Driftwood and I do HDTV editing. Bruno & Billy Bob are cousins and they grew up from elementary school through HS with Driftwood. They all enlisted under the buddy system.
They have all been Democrats since the early 70's including Driftwood who was McGovern delegate. About the only subject I can tell you guys disagree on is illegal immigration.
One subject doesn't make a person a troll from a different party.
Can you OBJECTIVELY think of anything other than illegal immigration where their opinion is different from most on this board.
very good Lizzy imo! and I only saw one typo! That's really good!
Americans civilians today know nothing about war,
for quite a few years now, have been reading Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series....
in it there is a nation of people made up of different kingdoms, called "Borderlanders". They use the phrase "peace" in regular conversation.
when asked why they use "Peace" in this way the reply was that when all you know is battle against the shadow (what they call evil), the word also becomes a talisman - a wish for the future...
Thanks Dawn...I just saw that too, and I am too tired to go back republish, but I should.
Glad to hear it TOM
Stay here long enough and you will feel the same about immigration too. I bettcha! ;-)
Progressives always moving forward!! ya know?
I apologize for slamming you the other day. You apparently are not the evil of the other side. I am often wrong. But I like my buddy Domingo so don't mess with him cuz that will make me MAD! He's a good guy! He's just more suspicious than I am. And probably not as gullible.
I am really getting tired too. You all have a great night! I've had a blast!!!!
Merci, HUGS and PEACE!!!
lizzy,
i remember the My Lai in the papers. it was a big embarrassment to the united states. the reports later said the stress those soldiers faced was uphill and increasing on every patrol. we lost a lot of world goodwill. in Habitha it's being repeated. watching an interview last nite, and a comment made by an ex-military guy that kingbush has learned nothing, planned nothing, and was surrounded by soundbytes he wanted to hear with the full intent to go to iraq. so history repeats itself. we'll take a big hit with world opinion as this develops. even if it proves to be an isolated incident, the damage is done.
lizzy,
i posted this earlier (msnbc)
“America in the view of many Iraqis has no credibility. We do not believe what they say is correct,” said Sheik Sattar al-Aasaf, a tribal leader in Anbar province, which includes Haditha. “U.S. troops are a very well-trained and when they shoot, it isn’t random but due to an order to kill Iraqis. People say they are the killers.”
Could you read this and let me know what you think?
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 28, 2006 at 12:42 AM
I think of the clip from Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911 where the "gung ho" military guys had hated in their eyes and voices. It was apocalyptic.
I'm heading out tonight so I'll leave you with a song.
A Song of Peace
ok lizzy and all,
the nite is late...i'm ready to retire...really enjoyed being here tonite and dawnie ... stay positive as the repubs turn more negative.
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD
Peace to all that are leaving. Dawnie, I fixed it.
America, I read your comment earlier too.
WildBill = it is absolute insanity, Sir. And btw, thanks your comment about Woodstock brought a smile to my face.
I just had to post the best most touching speech,I have ever heard.John Kerry spoke at American University on Thursday, May 11 about patriotism and dissent at a time of war and the assault on free speech in America today. Video; http://www.johnkerry.com/video/flash/051106_speech.html "I know that some active duty service members, some veterans, and certainly some politicians scorned those of us who spoke out, suggesting our actions failed to "support the troops"--which to them meant continuing to support the war, or at least keeping our mouths shut. Indeed, some of those critics said the same thing just two years ago during the presidential campaign.
I have come here today to reaffirm that it was right to dissent in 1971 from a war that was wrong. And to affirm that it is both a right and an obligation for Americans today to disagree with a President who is wrong today, policies that are wrong today, and a war in Iraq that weakens the nation.
I believed then, just as I believe now, that the best way to support the troops is to oppose a course that squanders their lives, dishonors their sacrifice, and disserves our people and our principles.
I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country overseas and fighting for your country's ideals at home are contradictory or even separate duties. They are, in fact, two sides of the very same patriotic coin. And that's certainly what I felt when I came home from Vietnam convinced that our political leaders were waging war simply to avoid responsibility for the mistakes that doomed our mission in the first place." http://www.johnkerry.com/
I saw a report earlier (Saturday evening) that there wasn't much of a reaction from Iraqis, at least not yet, to the Habitha incident......last fall right?......because they think Americans do this all the time so nothing's new.
As fun as this is, I'm falling aleep.
goodnight
Peace
Momo, I put the You Tube link in the title of the Buffalo Springfield song.
Thank you Tom,
What a nice way to end an evening....
Good Nite Dawnie - PEACE!!!!
Good Nite Tom - PEACE!!!
Are there many/any people that post here that came over from the Kerry Blog?
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 28, 2006 at 12:42 AM Thanks,I love that song. Here's Ohio;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvg4n8Txgdc&search=neil%20young
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 28, 2006 at 01:11 AM
Lizzy,
Huh?
After watching the kerry Speech. I'm in the peace music from the 60's mood,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpdwXNHoORo&search=peace%20train%20cat%20stevens Where have all the Flowers Gone'When Will We Ever Learn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYv0O43PrPk&search=%20kingston%20trio
Just before the Kent State incident, my sister Robin ran away. I was in my senior year of high school and we would go out and drive around at night looking for her.
After the Kent State shootings, the Miami Herald had on it's front page the picture of the girl laying face down, dead. The girl on her knees behind her with her arms raised in the air, caught for eternity in a cry of rage....was also a runaway from Miami (not my sister)...
I remember how scared that made us. There had already been scenes of police beating and gasing kids protesting in chicago...in our nations capital...it seemed as if civilization were on the edge of breaking down and blowing away....
Well it's one two three, what are we fightin' for
The President must be smoking Crack
next stop is Middle East Iraq
Sorry Momo,
I am tired and I don't think I explained that comment to coherently. The title of my post "For What It's Worth" is the title of the Buffalo Springfield song. I put the "YOU TUBE" video up at my post on my blog. It is linked in the title.
Diana,
I do like your choice of music, indeed.
Don't know how to link the music yet, but here's the lyrics....
Chicago/We Can Change the World
Graham Nash 1971
Though your brother's bound and gagged
And they've chained him to a chair
Won't you please come to Chicago
Just to sing
In a land that's known as freedom
How can such a thing be fair
Won't you plaese come to Chicago
For the help we can bring
We can change the world -
Re-arrange the world
It's dying - to get better
Politicians sit yourself down,
There's nothing for you here
Won't you please come to Chicago
For a ride
Don't ask Jack to help you
Cause he'll turn the other ear
Won't you please come to Chicago
Or else join the other side
We can change the world -
Re-arrange the world It's dying - if you believe in justice
It's dying - and if you believe in freedom
It's dying - let a man live it's own life
It's dying - rules and regulations, who needs them
Open up the door
Somehow people must be free
I hope the day comes soon
Won't you please come to Chicago
Show your face
From the bottom to the ocean
To the mountains of the moon
Won't you please come to Chicago
No one else can take your place
We can change the world -
Re-arrange the world
It's dying - if you believe in justice
It's dying - and if you believe in freedom
It's dying - let a man live it's own life
It's dying - rules and regulations, who needs them
Open up the door
We can change the world
isn't it amazing, how life just keeps repeating itself?
Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Iraq-nam.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
" Liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform
promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the
experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men
the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves."... John Kennedy
Canada pledges aid as Indonesian death toll reaches 3,500. Canada has pledged assistance to Indonesia's victims after a massive earthquake left more than 3,500 people dead and injured thousands more in the region's worst disaster since the tsunami struck in 2004. Full story:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/05/27/indo-quake-sat.html
I like the theme of old lyrics showing how we have come full circle.. Here's my contribution:
Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot distruction,
sorcerers of deaths construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning...
death and hatred to man kind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds.
oh lord ya...
Politicians hide them selves away...
they only started the war..
why should they go out to fight,
they leave peril to the poor...
oh lord ya...
War Pigs - Black Sabbath
And this one..
I think your atmosphere is hurting my eyes,
and your concrete mountains are blocking out the skies..
Now i don't say that you've been telling me lies,
But why do i hear those children's cries?
I'm a stranger here, i'm just looking around...
I see the aeroplane thats carrying the bombs
while you dig to find people to drop them on
you know you cant keep what you take by force,
but it's only my first impression of course....
A Stranger here - Five Man Electrical Band
Morning Good Dems! For any of you that know Lizzy, there's a cyber cake for her daughter Bea's 12th birthday at Night Bird's Fountain. Feel free to drop in with Birthday wishes.
I'm at the lake in the mountains on dial-up. Since patience was never my strong suit, I'll catch up with you all on Tuesday.
Have a great Memorial Day weekend!!
Good Morning, everyone!
Perfect weekend here in SE OH! The lake is awesome & these hills are beautiful!
Clinton to Show Emotional Campaign Video
good morning cyn and jacq...two ladies of the lake i guess.
http://www.progressiveart.com/gonsalves/ladies_of_the_lake.htm
Good Morning, ALL
It looks like little Georgie's Theocracy in Bloom is going swimmingly.
(snip)
The fresh violence came amid rising fears in the Iraqi capital that extremists seeking to force Baghdad residents to follow strict Islamic practices were now targeting men in shorts, liquor stores and even barbers. Gunmen in recent months have even killed people drinking beer along the banks of the Tigris river.
Last week, gunmen in Baghdad stopped a car carrying a Sunni Arab tennis coach and two of his Shiite players, asked them to step out and then shot them.
Extremists have been distributing leaflets warning people in the mostly Sunni neighborhoods of Saidiyah and Ghazaliyah not to wear shorts, police said.
Heck of a Job, ya Putz
I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country overseas and fighting for your country's ideals at home are contradictory or even separate duties. They are, in fact, two sides of the very same patriotic coin. And that's certainly what I felt when I came home from Vietnam convinced that our political leaders were waging war simply to avoid responsibility for the mistakes that doomed our mission in the first place." http://www.johnkerry.com/
Posted by diana on May 28, 2006 at 01:09 AM
It seems that in 1972 Kissinger was kissing China's ass. He told the Chinese leader that we wanted to pull out of South Vietnam but that China should give us a little slack so that we don't lose face. In the meantime, between 1972 and 1975, about 2000 Americans died while they were fiddling. Click on my name for the full story. The repugs were really backpeddling.
Good Morning Democrat Supporters and ...."idiot trolls,"
It's a lovely day yeah?
:D
I suppose noone's here.I'm going to Huff Po.
:D
Excellent interview of David Sirota (author of Hostile Takeover) on CSPAN-2:
rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/wj051006_sirota.rm
OLYMPIA, Washington — Nine more people were arrested in protests against the delivery of Iraq-bound military vehicles to the Port of Olympia, bringing the total arrested to 16 in three days, police said.
Demonstrators blocked a street to prevent a convoy from reaching the port Wednesday. In contrast to the quiet arrests of six people Tuesday and one Monday, scuffling, shouting and screaming arose as some protesters were carried to a van.
GOP Heavy Hitters Pressuring White House to Talk With Iran
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2006-05-27 22:45. Iran
By Laura Rozen, Los Angeles Times
Washington - Amid concern that the US is drifting toward eventual confrontation with Iran, a growing number of influential statesmen, Republican senators and foreign policy experts are stepping up pressure on the Bush administration to consider doing what no US administration has done in 27 years: talk directly with Iran.
In recent congressional hearings, think-tank conferences, op-ed essays and media appearances, Republican heavyweights - including former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) and Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) - have publicly urged the administration to leave the current path of escalation and join European allies in direct talks with Tehran.
The public campaign parallels private efforts by GOP insiders, foreign policy specialists and US allies abroad to influence the thinking of key administration officials, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Elliott Abrams, who oversees Iran policy at the National Security Council. Both have met recently with foreign diplomats and outside experts and have discussed US diplomacy with Iran.
War widows find that everything is "just gone"
It is, they say, a unique position to be in: left behind in the longest conflict America has ever fought with an all-volunteer army.
For about 2 weeks I have been getting e-mails from Wells Fargo and PayPal saying that my accounts may have been improperly accessed.
I HAVE NEVER HAD PayPal OR WELLS FARGO ACCOUNTS.
I sent an e-mail to WF, and just got THIS:
Dear *********
Thank you for writing to us about the suspicious email you received. It
is a fraudulent email. Wells Fargo did not provide your email address
to anyone and is in no way involved in publishing the email. Wells
Fargo's systems have not been compromised in any way.
Please delete the fraudulent message without clicking on any links or
opening any attachments and do not provide any information through the
link included in the email.
There's more, but you get the idea. I know that some people on here use PayPal, so, BEWARE!
Contact them BY PHONE only, or directly without using the links contained in the e-mail sent.
I never opened the e-mails, (luckily).
The following is my Rant for the Day!
In reading Crashing the Gate, I now understand that one of the Main REasons for the Republican's sucess has been that each Special Interest Republican (for instance, Conservative Christians), have been willing to set aside their individual interest for the Common Goad and sucess of the Party. The know that the Party's Ultimate Sucess, is their sucess.
the Democrats on the other hand, refuse to get past their own Individual Interests. NARAL, GLBT, Sierra, etc, all demand that their issues take top priority. So in the End, the party does not win, and they don't win.
I, from this day on, shall put my own Individual Interest on the sidebar, work to get this party into office, and then put pressure on getting my Interests accomplished.
If we could all only do that, what a Strong United, unbeatable party this would be!!!
DPD, the emails are phishing and have nothing to do with the companies they mention.
You should report the mails to your ISP so they can put those domains on the 'block' lists.
Thanks Kristen. I'll do that. I got my first "enhancement" e-mail this week too. Usually all I get are about 30 "reffinance your mortggagee" spams. (Yeah, I'll do online banking with a company that can't even spell what they are selling).
Good Morning rj, Kristen, PamB,
Hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Weekend. Please take a moment during this weekend to remember all the brave soldiers who have given their all so that we can enjoy such wonderful days.
Howdy All! A fine weekend in full swing. Golf yesterday; Sprinsteen doing Seeger last night; gardening for mom today; planing my tomoatoes tomorrow with the new moon.
Hate to disturb this bliss, but two articles in today's Globe give abundant testimony to Bush's twisted notion of what democracy is all about; here at home and abroad where he believes he has the right to install it:
why veto?
Cheney aide is screening legislation
Adviser seeks to protect Bush power
WASHINGTON -- The office of Vice President Dick Cheney routinely reviews pieces of legislation before they reach the president's desk, searching for provisions that Cheney believes would infringe on presidential power, according to former White House and Justice Department officials.
The officials said Cheney's legal adviser and chief of staff, David Addington , is the Bush a dministration's leading architect of the ``signing statements" the president has appended to more than 750 laws. The statements assert the president's right to ignore the laws because they conflict with his interpretation of the Constitution.
Gunmen kill coach, 2 tennis players
Slain for wearing shorts, officials say
BAGHDAD -- An Iraqi tennis coach and two of his players were killed because they were wearing shorts, apparently in violation of a warning by Islamic extremists.
Better under Bush's democracy?
Will Your Vote Count in 2006?'When you're using a paperless voting system, there is no security,' says Stanford's David Dill.
May 29, 2006 issue - Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the voting booth, here comes more disturbing news about the trustworthiness of electronic touchscreen ballot machines. Earlier this month a report by Finnish security expert Harri Hursti analyzed Diebold voting machines for an organization called Black Box Voting. Hursti found unheralded vulnerabilities in the machines that are currently entrusted to faithfully record the votes of millions of Americans.
"If we could all only do that, what a Strong United, unbeatable party this would be!!!"
morning all and politically astute thought for the day pamb!
yep, and this means in CT ol' joe and lamant are going to put away the gloves and unite after the primary? i hope so. eventhough on the west coast i'm hoping for lamant.
I, from this day on, shall put my own Individual Interest on the sidebar, work to get this party into office, and then put pressure on getting my Interests accomplished. If we could all only do that, what a Strong United, unbeatable party this would be!!!
Posted by PamB on May 28, 2006 at 10:01 AM
PamB, our recent party departees would do well to read and heed your post. This is the thinking that will be necessary to regain control of the Country. Those who pout and "take their ball and go home" are not doing themselves or the party any good. Strength comes from standing together and achieving control...then working for our personal agendas. It is hurtful to see people you love and admire be hurt to the point they feel their only alternative is to leave.
GOP Heavy Hitters Pressuring White House to Talk With Iran
rjsnj,
finally there's some sanity and understanding for diplomacy vs the insanity that reigns in kingbush's warhouse. appears everyone is getting sick of this arrogant let's go to war attitude. afterall, the leader of iran extends a diplomatic letter (eventhough critical) to kingbush, and what does kingbush do, rejects. shucks, even the iraqi leadership is talking w/iran...is that a bite in the lap to kingbush ... he invades iraq and the iraqis talk with iran. that my friend illustrates the insanity of the current king of the warhouse.
Good morning fine Dems....
Can we get Dubya impeached already?!
Chuck Schumer is on FtN, go Chuck!
Posted by PamB on May 28, 2006 at 10:01 AM
Right on.
The American Voter must make a statement to Congress this November.
Do the American Voters believe in the Republican agenda?
or do the American Voters want change?
Electing Democrats into Congress will tell Congress that their jobs aren't safe.
Electing Democrats into Congress will tell Congress that they are not above the law.
Electing Democrats will tell Congress that the Republicans cannot cut taxes for the wealthy and spend, spend, spend and spend some more.
Electing Democrats will tell Congress that if the Republicans can't do the job the American Voters elected them to do than they will be replaced.
It is hurtful to see people you love and admire be hurt to the point they feel their only alternative is to leave.
letshelpdean,
that my friend is extremely important to repeat. after all is said and done = primary, this party must unite. the alternative is more of the same = war, trashed world credibility, less civil rights... and i nor this america i love, could not tolerate another insane warhouse nor another kingbush and his courtlike corrupt jesters.
morning benji,
benji for blog's cheerleader and rally spokesperson! go benji...uh benji, did you eventually post every demo race in the united states?
Can we get Dubya impeached already?!
BlueInRedCincy, we would by the most unlikely americans if the overseas news here provided the facts the rove-fox soundbytes leaves out here. overseas he'd be in the same situation as sadam.
DPD
Paypal wants you to send those phoney paypal alerts to them, so they can dig into where they are coming from. I get them frequently.
Send it to: fraud@paypal.com
Hi Larry,
The problem is that those who get angry here over an issue important to them not getting full attention, is that they do not realize yet, that if they help get this party, from local level right on up, into power, they can only win from it.
For instance, this book goes into what happened in RI when the Dems had a really good shot at getting Chaffee out. The Dem candidate was strong, only thing was he was anti-abortion. NOW and NARAL would not back him. They put money and ads into Chafee instead. What happened was Chaffee got back in and has been voting Party line right along, for Far-Right judges who are out to get rid of Abortion! Where the Dem candidate, would never have had the chance to vote against Roe v Wade, because it will not come up in the Senate, and would have almost assuredly voted party line on things like these Judges that the Republicans are furiously trying to get placed!
So when you look at issues from this line, it puts a different slant on it.
Now does that mean I will sit back and help Lieberman? NO, because the Democrat up against him is Far more Democratic than Joe is. I have watched Joe for all the years he has been in office here. I have talked to his aides on the phone. Joe is stubbornly out for his own interests, at whatever cost to our party, our State, our Country, the World! Joe is not a Democrat.
Heading outside where I have a ton of yard work to do. The rain and cold have disappeared for this weekend, and the mildew, mold, moss, etc are almost catastrophic this year.
bbl,
Thanks, Pam. I'll do it. I don't know how these sites got my e addy, but they just started showing up about 2 weeks ago.
So let's check out Cindasleezy Rice shall we? Is she really the master of her domain, or is that shetland pony rumor true? I don't believe a word about the pony stories I keep hearing, but there out there, right Cokie Roberts? Does Harriet Miers have the some exotic tastes?
Posted by Oilfieldguy on May 27, 2006 at 10:35 PM
How dare you! Everyone knows that Harriet Miers is a VIRGIN!
PamB,
Everytime I read a post that says something to the effect...
"I am a lifelong democrat and because the Democrats will not support my one-issue agenda (i.e. immigration) I will vote for the Republicans. That'll show those Democrats who's boss."
I can't help but laugh.
Len Hart: 'The method and the madness of King George'
Like Ashcroft, Gonzales favors greater executive branch secrecy. Like Ashcroft, Gonzales favors the centralization of presidential power -- as well as its expansion. Indeed, Gonzales provided the legal arguments used to claim that the president has the power, under the Constitution, to order torture, despite the fact that torture violates the Geneva Conventions and other international agreements the United States has ratified and implemented.
According to Gonzales -- and to Ashcroft before him -- even judicial review to determine whether the facts support the "enemy combatant" designation should not occur. Gonzales, like Ashcroft, believes that the president's -- and attorney general's -- kingly power trumps even some of the most prized of American's basic rights, the rights to physical liberty, and to due process of law.
Benji,
I like the new and improved Benji post....turn that mind and outrage to the benefit of the party...good one.
(not that i thought the candidates commercials aren't important or informative)
If the republicans are so screwed up in Iraq...
if the republicans are have their top Congressional leader indicted on corruption charges...
if the republicans are so fiscally irresponsible for cutting taxes for the wealthy...
if the republicans are so fiscally irresponsible for the continuous big government spending...
if the republcans are so fiscally irresponsible for the skyrocketing national debt...
what makes anyone think the republicans know what they're doing on immigration.
momoaizo.
i agree. benji is a better rallier. the political ads i'm seeing on tv and stuffed into my mailbox are not issues as much as slanted attacks. if even half of that campaign monies were spent on giving to charities and public tv/radio stations we'd all be better off. the only groups that benefits now are the media companies and the printers/recyclers.
benji,
you've exposed kingbush's repubs. they don't know what they're doing on immigration. they had no plan. it was a ploy by rove to divert from the other heat to the feet of his beloved king. only problem, is this flap about our marines and those murdered iraqi civilians. that my friend, when the investigation becomes public, will knock every ploy karl can deploy sideways. unless, they have some time of slaughter at the border with the national guard involved. and, we don't need that.
The republican political strategists are trying to turn the November election into a referendum on immigration.
The republican policy strategists are trying to defend their reasons for going into Iraq.
The republican policy strategists lost Karl Rove, who was promoted to political strategist.
It seems the republicans care more about their politics than their policies.
It seems the republicans care more about their politics than their policies.
almost agree. i having moderate repub friends, they have the party's ideals, yet cannot stand kingbush's arrogance and more-war-attitude, nor corruption that trashed their party, nor the erosion of civil rights. not going to jump ship to demos, but, on election day may not turn out. that my friend would be rove's worst nitemare.
The republicans brought the issue of immigration to the table.
The republicans aren't going to be able to pass immigration legislation before November because the country is worried about Iraq.
The only thing the republicans can do now is to try and blame it on the Democrats.
Good morning, all.
Our message this fall should be empowerment and revenge...just like what the networks have been selling with their "reality" shows for the last few seasons.
So we tell the electorate that they, too, can now be one of the rich and powerful like Donald Trump or Simon Cowell. You can cast your vote to "fire" someone and knock them off the program. Doesn't matter if you're as dizzy as Paula or as hip as Randy, you are in control.
And if there ever was a program that needs people voted off, it's this Repubican-controlled Congress. This show should have been cancelled in '04, but the corporate geniuses keep it going. Now it's time for "the fans" to set it all right.
Don't underestimate the power of pop culture.
Eric Boehlert, author of the excellent new book Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush (Free Press, May 2006), has offered one example of the obsessive coverage the media gave Whitewater:
In the 24 months between Jan. 1994 and Jan. 1996, long before Monica Lewinsky entered the picture and back when Whitewater was about an alleged crooked land deal, Nightline devoted 19 programs to the then-unfolding scandal and investigation, for which no Clinton White House official was ever indicted.
And that's how it was for eight years: obsessive media coverage and hype of made-up Clinton "scandals" that never went anywhere because they never existed anywhere other than the fevered imaginations of a few far-right Clinton-haters and the credulous news media that took them seriously.
Hey Benji,
is that part of the new you too? post and run? come on, how about a little interaction..
benji,
if you meant blame immigration on the demos, then the demos can counter by saying here's "our plan" which conviently keeps the repubs divided.
to then quickly refocus to iraq...keep iraq in the headlines...the loss of our finest, the countless iraqi civilians obliterated, and the billions spent...and throw in osama...demos ask what happened to the hunt by the bullhorn guy on the 911 rubble saying we'll get those responsible, dead or alive.
unfortunately, as i mentioned, this marine flap will do just that and a lot more i suspect than the prison issue ever did.
besides, king's low poll numbers reflect the unfavorable war. play that song over and over. leave immigration to the side and off the front headlines.
and, iraqmire belongs exclusively to kingbush and his english lap poodle...they broke the pottery rule.
Posted by america1st on May 28, 2006 at 11:50 AM
I'm not spinning anything.
i just calls it the ways i sees it.
benji my friend,
uh what are you saying, spinning, i never ever implied that. i agree with you. i say demos need to make iraq the focus. immigration is important, but designed to be a front line diversion to take the heat of of the iraqi mess where the king's poll numbers are worse than his immigration numbers. great political ploy. yikes, benji...i like your opinions and posts...benji for the rally person...ya..ya..ya!
just want to thank jen, dawnie, lizzy and dk2, finally got it! can now put link into dialogue in post. thanks guys.
The Hundredth Monkey
But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness,
a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!
Just who exactly owns state secrets in a republic?
Why is the attorney general and other Bush lawyers professing that "we the people" have no right to know why the federal government is failing so miserably in Iraq or energy policy?
We pay for these flunkies' limos and private jet flights. We pay for their retreats to golf resorts and "the ranch". Where do they get off saying they can keep their failures secret from us?
In a world gone amuck with hubbas and tabliod journalism, Democrats should fan the fires of "enquiring minds" and ask voters why they are being left out of the loop by the Republicans.
Rove created this world of fake pop democracy. Let's make him defend it from the masses?
Posted by Benji on May 28, 2006 at 11:40 AM
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(NOT);D
ok benji and all you fine folks,
have errands to see, family to visit. return later...keep the honest info flowin' and like that kingbush's poll numbers keep lowerin'
Hey Benji,
well, i finally learned how to do this amazing thing, to link the url to a word or phrase in my post....so been trying it out.
wassup with you?
have to agree w/A1 tho, think that the pugs own the immigration issue right now and eventho it is something that needs to be attended to, it's too devisive to use it as a campaign issue.
heck, we've got pure silence, sit back and watch with the rest of america as the pugs pull each other apart...
Benji,
I'll let you fix it.;D
wassup with you?
wassup with me?
momo,
three day weekend, chillin, sun is shining, people are laughing.
On the Liberation of Iraq
But there I go again
dreaming of a new paradigm,
an alternative universe
expecting miracles
like Moses and Aaron in Egypt
and Tom Paine in America
and Gandhi in India,
like the creation itself
and the consciousness
that imagines these visions.
Next Year - in a new transfigured world.
Senator Feingold
Biography of U.S. Senator Russ Feingold
Russ Feingold is an independent voice in the United States Senate. Best known for leading the fight for campaign finance reform in the Senate with Republican Senator John McCain, Feingold has been a tireless leader in bipartisan efforts to restore fiscal discipline in Congress and reduce the federal deficit. Senator Feingold also cast the lone vote against the USA PATRIOT Act in 2001 and has continued to be a leader in the bipartisan effort to protect our rights and freedoms and fix the flawed provisions of the Act.
When he first ran for the U.S. Senate in 1992, Senator Feingold pledged to hold town hall style listening sessions in every one of Wisconsin’s 72 counties every year. To date he has held over 900 listening sessions. These listening sessions provide the people of Wisconsin an opportunity to discuss issues directly with Senator Feingold without an appointment, without making a political contribution, and without having to go to Washington, DC. These town hall meetings have been the foundation and driving force behind Feingold’s legislative agenda, and in the last year he has brought his signature listening sessions outside of Wisconsin to states such as Alabama, Pennsylvania, Vermont and New Hampshire.
Time to counter immigration with the real labor issue: Why are we educating and training Americans for jobs that no longer being created in this country?
How many graduates in the last five years have found work in their chosen fields? How many are aced out of entry level jobs by foreign workers with visas? How many have been forced to accept underemployment?
Doesn't it bother anyone that the President mandated in his No Child Left Behind bill that our children be proficient in math and science skills that they will never ever have a chance to practice in the low-paying service economy he created?
It isn't where are the the good-paying jobs of the future are....we all know the multinationals have moved them overseas. The qestion now is why the Republicans betrayed us.
It wasn't incompetence. It is and remains treason.
Any involved should be hunted down like the Enron twins and prosecuted. Let the Republican Witch Trials begin.
Let's put a real Democrat in the White House people.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Russell_Feingold_Civil_Rights.htm
Yea, chillin here too, suns out, nice weekend.
very slow here, hubby hurt back yesterday morning working in the yard and has been bed bound ever since. so i've been doing chores,attending my poor hubby and enjoying my new found miracle...uh miracle for me anyway...i amuse easily...
Posted by america1st on May 28, 2006 at 10:44 AM
almost but i still had a long way to go.
Sen Feingold for president!!!!
Sandy, this administration and his lappack congress have succumbed to their only god, Greed.
Thank You Benji.
:D
Okay,now tell me how to do that.I'm missing something.(Connecting the URL/Link)
Benji i have a request,could you find me a list of numbers of republican registration voters and democrat registration voters in the red states,cause i have a link i'm gonna post up later on that might give us a chance to take our country back in November. Thanks.
ARE YOU MAD AT THE RISING GAS PRICES?
Here is a great site.
Honda has its eye on a new hybrid
Honda said Wednesday that it plans to introduce a small, inexpensive gas-electric hybrid car and new diesel-powered vehicles by 2009 in the latest indication of how automakers are responding to high gasoline prices… Through its moves toward more-fuel-efficient cars, Honda hopes to raise its U.S. corporate average fuel economy to 30.6 miles per gallon by 2010. The company averaged 29.2 miles per gallon in 2005.
I LOVE JOHN MURTHA
AL GORE
RUSS FEINGOLD
WES CLARK
I'm even starting to LIKE George WILL!
Talking heads today were pretty damn good! McLaughlin Group was especially delicious! George Stephanopolous (dang thats too long and probably wrong) LOL also good!
Now that I feel entirely purified from the TRUTH coming out in the MSM today I wanted to thank everyone again for a great night last night! {{HUGS}}
Now I feel safe to go play some mindless entertaining game elsewhere! As the world may have FINALLY been shown the LIGHT!
Congrats to Angelina and Brad too for the birth of their baby girl with the long name...... Shylo, Shilo, something jolie-pitt (sigh) I don't really care, do I? hehe.
HEY LINDA you are welcome. But I don't think I had much to do with your instruction on the finer points of making LINKIES! ;-)
PEACE COMRADES! YOU ROCK DA HOUZEEEE!!
The children of Guantanamo Bay
"The row will again focus attention on the Bush administration's repeated claims that normal rules of war and human rights conventions do not apply to "enemy combatants" who were al-Qa'ida or Taliban fighters and supporters. The US insists these fighters did not have the same legal status as soldiers in uniform."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article620704.ece
Its too bad that we couldn't have come up with a defense against the swift boater to help Kerry win.
"Kerry Pressing Swift Boat Case Long After Loss"
ALERT
Democrats, We're next.
Blogger Asks NSA For A Copy Of His Records, NSA Says "The Existence Or Non-Existence Of [Them] Is...Classified"...
For More on this:
Posted by ap215 on May 28, 2006 at 12:42 PM
Open Records Policy
Texas law gives you the right to access government records and government officials may not ask why you want them. All government information is presumed to be available to the public. Certain exceptions may apply to the disclosure of the information. Governmental bodies shall promptly release requested information that is not confidential by law or information for which an exception to disclosure has been sought.
Rights of Requestors
You have the right to:
Prompt access to information that is not confidential or otherwise protected;
Receive treatment equal to all other requestors, including accommodation in accordance with ADA requirements;
Receive certain kinds of information without exceptions, like the voting record of public officials or information related to the receipt, expenditure or estimated need for public funds, and other items;
Receive a statement of estimated charges, when charges exceed $40, in advance of work being started and opportunity to renegotiate the request if charges are too high;
Choose whether to inspect the requested information (most often at no charge), receive copies of the information or both;
A waiver or reduction of charges if the governmental body determines that access to the information primarily benefits the general public;
Notice when the governmental body asks the Office of the Attorney General for a ruling on whether the information can be withheld under one of the accepted exceptions;
Lodge a complaint about charges for public records with the General Services Commission and a complaint related to other possible violations with the county attorney, criminal district attorney, or Office of the Attorney General.
...................................
is that red enough for you?
when you type a post and add a "cut and paste" from an article your are using to back it up, or for more info...you can then, in this "comments box" highlight and copy a word or phrase in your post or in the "cut and paste" you put in
you would need the article open in another...i guess it's called window...
then you click on the "chain link" button above the comments box to the right, when it opens, you delete the http;// thats in it, leave it blank and go to the other window that has that article in it and highlight the url (it's address at the top in the drop down bar)and copy it.
now go back to your post in the Democrat Party window and paste the url in the chain link box and hit ok.
When you hit post and what you typed appears, the link will be the word or phrase you choose, it will be blue and underlined and now anyone who clicks on it will go to the article you were referring to.
Ultra-regressive house leader still denying corruption investigation.
"Democrats must gain six seats in the Senate and 15 in the House of Representatives to reclaim control, a task strategists in both parties say is tough but possible."
now i've got to learn how to link to music,
Posted by Tom_Terrific on May 28, 2006 at 01:01 AM
check out this post from early this morning, Tom left us with this beautiful song of peace...this is what i need to do, how to link music
A CHOICE BETWEEN BAD OR WORSE
Fox News Channel chooses worse!
It doesn't work on Company Computers,I guess.
LOL
Posted by martys58 on May 28, 2006 at 01:50 PM
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Very touching.
Posted by martys58 on May 28, 2006 at 01:50 PM
hey marty, glad to see you decided to come back and interact with us instead of giving up on the party as a whole.
you sure have done a lot in your life...
i think that everyone here has problems with illegals, but for the life of us, can't see any other choice but to give some sort of path to citizenship, what most people call amnesty.
rounding all illegals up would require just about every law enforcement agency out there...
impounding them while we process them, unrealistic
sending them back, on who's dime?
why don't we insist that our lawmakers enforce the employer side of this problem. self=deportation thru attrition. Basically, no job waiting, no illegal problem.
combined with a wage in line with what any American citizen could expect for that job, we could cut into the REAL problem.
corporate America is exporting our jobs for cheaper labor....those jobs not deportable are being filled by illegal/cheaper labor immigrants.
not only does this hurt the middle class, but it establishes another "slave" class....
Marty, sounds like you've been around long enough to remember stories of the "gilded" age when "Robber Barons" profited from the hard times most American experienced.
This is what the Big Business/Corporate types are trying again....let's get behind real solutions, if you think i'm wrong, i'm more than willing to listen to your suggestions.
I would even suggest that as a two part program, that we work with the countries like Mexico, Cuba, India in ways that would improve the living and wage earning conditions in that country. I believe more illegals would rather stay with their family in the country of their birth if they could make a living there....
In the end, although this is an important topic, i blieve that it is too decisive to make it part of the dem platform and that we should move on to other more important matters....what say you?
NOT SURPRISED!
(since he only got 34% of 51%- hey, that's about 18%)
hit and run posters
malicious and deviant trolls
disgruntled republicans
lefty loonies
swinging independents
and loyal dems
what an an eclectic group
(oops...don't forget the princiPAL)
Marty, are you a hit and run poster?
Posted by momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 02:17 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Obviously, he is.That's why I have no patience with them.They just show up with some bs story and leave.It's as if,the trolls are looking for an argument they can win,so they post something and sit back to look at the responses.If they get a good rebuttal, they know not to use that line of bs.Then,they move to another "touching" story.
LOL
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForProgressiveDemocraticMajority on May 28, 2006 at 02:32 PM
i don't know...
...you tell me
Just an FYI, at the time of the vote for the Iraq war Tom Daschle was the Majority leader and we had a technicality of 50 votes as Jeffords was an Independent and was counted as a Democrat. So when Oil Field Guy talked about the 50 Senators total in the Democratic Vote at that time, he was in fact correct. The Leadership did not go to Frist until 2003, that's just for clarification. Daschel was Leader before Bush was elected, then Lott became Leader when Bush was sworn in, but when Jeffords became Independent, the Leadership swung back to Daschel. At the time of the vote for the Iraq War Resolution the Senate was controlled by Democrats.
And Oilfield Guy, here is an exce;llent link to an article Pam B sent me in regards to Lamonts stance on Gay Lesbian Bi-Sexual Transgendered Equality, you asked about it last night and I did not see any one give you this information. LAMONT LOOKS BETTER EVERY DAY
hey Benji and FOS, what do you think about Tracy's "challenge" above? personally, i like the idea, and think that maybe it should be taken even further...taken from the pug playbook, we should be given a subject to write a LTE and given talking points...all candidates and elected should be given same.
i would be from the "if they hear it repeated enough, it must be true" chapter.
fos,
fine:
pissed "off" progressives
hit and run posters
malicious and deviant trolls
disgruntled republicans
lefty loonies
swinging independents
and loyal dems
what an an eclectic group
(oops...don't forget the princiPAL)
I just don't understand what the Democrats are doing.What part of Illegal do they not understand? I am a hard working American and I have ALWAYS voted Democrat.I am ashamed of my party.
Posted by Ifeelbetrayedbymyparty on May 28, 2006 at 02:52 PM
Well hello to you too....
are ya here to declare and run (add that to your list)
or are you here to find other like minded dems and discuss?
I do not understand what my Republican party is doing. I have voted Republican since Harding. But today, I am ashamed of my party.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForProgressiveDemocraticMajority on May 28, 2006 at 02:56 PM
Me too, but imagine how much more powerful if we could get out a message, speaking with one voice.
did you read my 11:59 am post about the 100th Monkey?
It is easy to be anybody with any postition on the net...i've wondered sometimes if some of these that come in here and get us really wound up do it truly thinking that they could sway us.
i've often wondered if what people like gregg and kristen and lizzy infer when they accuse the trolls of getting paid.
are there really organizations that pay people to mislead their fellow Americans? Ok, sounds very niave on my part, but still, don't they have a conscience?
Why won't the RNC blog go public?
Posted by pee-wee on May 28, 2006 at 03:05 PM
Thats a no brainer... if they made their blog public, one of two things would happen:
a) their own site would suddenly have a good 90% of it's content used to call them traitors, theives, war mongers, etc... in other words, it would ruin the "pink fuzzy slippers" facade they like to show.
or
b) they would have to hire a staff to police the board and remove all the nasty posts. Which would be like all of them.. and get them into all kinds of first ammemdment trouble
Posted by momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 02:48 PM
I've been doing it. I've even been published.
I just didn't know the official name of it was "letter to the editor".
in other words, at this point in their rule, allowing real public input would amount to suicide.
so they lock it down tighter than camp gitmo, and throw a bullshit spin on the parts they actually let you see.
Good afternoon t'all!!:)
FreedomOfSpeechForProgressiveDemocraticMajority on May 28, 2006 at 03:28 PM:
Have you tried milk w/acidophilus and bifidus cultures? These cultures (bacteria actually) are naturally present in milk, but are removed by the pasteurization process. They help us to digbest the lactose in milk. Very popular yogurt ingredient and finding the way into all sorts of dairy products.
You can also buy acidophilus/bifidus in supplement form. Just sayin'!!:)
PamB – states, “I, from this day on, shall put my own Individual Interest on the sidebar, work to get this party into office, and then put pressure on getting my Interests accomplished. If we could all only do that, what a Strong United, unbeatable party this would be!!!”
Benji – uses a made up statement, "I am a lifelong democrat and because the Democrats will not support my one-issue agenda (i.e. immigration) I will vote for the Republicans. That'll show those Democrats who's boss."
These two statements are contridictory. Pam’s is a call to unity while Benji uses a “made up” quote. The Benji statement is kinda like Bush saying saying I will compromise as long as you accept my position and don’t talk about yours. Then to suggest opponents to illegal immigration, who support legal immigration, have only a “one-issue” agenda is ludicrous, offensive, and not in the spirit of PamB’s doctrine.
Which is going to be?
digbest???? I think I meant digest, but that is one interesting typo!
hello all,
just in for a short time...
(msnbc) "Murtha fears Iraqi reaction to civilian killings... Lawmaker believes fallout will be worse than Abu Ghraib prison scandal
Updated: 35 minutes ago"
my hope is that kingbush is given the most heat. i'm convinced he has sunk from an arrogant war monger to an arrogant war criminal. if any of our soldiers are charged, then the guy who forgot about osama was the reason to pursue terroristst in iraq, and who broke the "pottery rule," should be charged as well.
Ya know this immigratuion issue could be the achilles heal that kicks democrats in the butt. Suppose that democrats are too tough on the immigration issue, but as usual the republican congress pushes bush's agenda through and bush signs it into law.
We will then have 12 million newly legal and voting immigrants that have an axe to grind for the democratic party; you know the party that voted against them!
That is why I say we must, whenever possible, reframe this issue as an exploitation issue, and economic issue for which the immigrants are coming to america in droves in the first place. We must communicate that we understand the plight of the immigrants.
hey A1,
how's your weekend been goin"?
i have heard that term used a lot lately, what is/was the "pottery rule"?
FreedomOfSpeechForProgressiveDemocraticMajority on May 28, 2006 at 03:43 PM,
Naw!! Not like I should, but when I lived in Maine I used to drink milk [no more expensive] with the cultures already added it was called Nutrish A/B. It worked, ya know, no bloating or loaded down feeling from eating my sugar frosted wheaties ;).
momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 03:55 PM,
Advise offered to bush from Colin Powell, "If you break it, you own it." Talking of the after invasion Iraq before the assault took place.
Webmaster, will you guys ever be able to corral this migrating vertical maroon-colored band? It's so annoying....
Posted by Bruno on May 28, 2006 at 03:41 PM
The Benji statement is kinda like Bush saying saying I will compromise as long as you accept my position and don’t talk about yours.
My statement isn't like Bush saying anything.
Your statement is saying that not mine.
Then to suggest opponents to illegal immigration, who support legal immigration, have only a “one-issue” agenda is ludicrous, offensive, and not in the spirit of PamB’s doctrine.
When did I suggest that?
I only said I thought it was laughable.
If life-long Democrats vote republican for other reasons than immigration...
but forgot to mention the other reasons...
then I guess my hypothetical statement doesn't apply to them.
Which is going to be?
Considering the supporting comments that question is too open ended for me to give an adequate answer.
hey momoaizo,
weekend here on the westcoast is going very well. stopped to see daughter, son-in-law, and two grandkids...what a great family. memorial weekend is very special for us, like many, miss very much my dad that passed last sept. interesting man. WWII navy veteran who saw everything no one would want to imagine in the pacific aboard carriers. long time moderate repub, despised bush as a coward and lier. felt cheney and rum were worse. yep, shortly going to take a nature walk to reflect on what is still right in america. thanks for asking, and how's your going?
"pottery rule" was the warning powel gave kingbush about if you break it, you own it. this king invaded iraq and owns the mess...not to blame the media nor the iraqis nor our finest.
NewKewlur Bommmer Bush thinks he's Truman?
Isn't that schizophrenia????
I mean the classic in the past was somebody who thought he was Napoleon! [And, oh, that character in "Arsenic and Old Lace" who thinks he's Teddy Roosevelt (and the family even calls him Teddy!).]
Usurper Bush was tootin' his own horn in front of West Point Cadets on Memorial Day weekend. But when he compared himself to Harry Truman, 33rd U.S. president, Bush's little horn really hit a false and sour note.
TootAAOOGHAAABLAUGLoooootph!!!!
Bush again proved he lives in a sociopath's fantasy world, where everything is just a tool for his manipulation. All around him is gauged on its usefulness TO HIM ALONE. Today it is Harry Truman. Or is it Bush thinks somehow he IS Truman, so Bush may be proving he is also having schizophrenic delusions! (In addition to those about God talking to him!) Does it matter if it's either, or, or both sociopathy and schizophrenia? He's a sick creep.
The most worrisome thing about Bush's comparing himself to Truman, however, is Bush's recent threats to use nuclear warheads on Iran.
Can't you just hear Bush's fake Texas drawl brag "I'm just like Truman: I'm man enough to drop newkewlur bombs! And Iran rhymes with Japan! So it's meant to happen! Dontcha know, God speaks to me in rhymes!"
IMPEACH this maniac NOW!
REVOKE his war powers by revoking the 9/11 War Powers Authorization!
STOP the Nevada fuel oil blast!
IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH this dangerous madman!!!
Democrats and Republicans, it's your duty!
Posted by davidual on May 28, 2006 at 03:54 PM
Davidual ( is that like...David you all?)
plese refer to my 2:03 PM and 2:16 PM posts.
what do you think of this as a position?
then perhaps as in my 2:48PM post we could do something about it. Or not...
Maybe, if we decide we want to write LTE's with one message/voice, we could decide the message instead of countering the pugs message...let them be on the defense for a while.....
I believe in this phenomenon....
Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means
that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the
conscious property of these people.
But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness,
a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!
momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 04:07 PM,
Actually, it's like individual, or davidual for short, David in which happens to be my first name. Just a play on words!
Concerning your posts, this is why democrats must work to reframe this issue to make this exploitation known; to
Americans as well as immigrants.
just a drive by:
Rumor is the RNC DID try an open blog one time like our's, but all they had on it was DITTOs,
Bruno, Benji was making a sarcastic statement about people who come in here and say they are mad about the Dems and going to vote Republican.
Posted by Ifeelbetrayedbymyparty on May 28, 2006 at 02:52 PM
Hey, "troll" don't forget the "E" on the end of "life long DemocratE", and this is called the "Democrat Party". Do it right, or I'll report you to Roverer and Muleman.
:(=
Congress for sale cartoon by Bill Mitchell
(be sure and roll your mouse over the red box at the bottom for ethics and lobbyist reform)
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2006/03/29/mitchell/index.html
Look up Lobbyist, here: very interesting to look at their year end report with dollar amounts spent,
http://sopr.senate.gov/cgi-win/m_opr_viewer.exe?DoFn=0
If the Dems ran on a platform of hanging bush, they would be slagged 9 ways from sunday in the media..
yet if the repugs ran on a platform demanding Bush's head on a platter, they would likely make a clean sweep of congress...
funny how that works...
Second try for cartoon: (link didnt work again)
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2006/03/29/mitchell/index.html
Posted by davidual on May 28, 2006 at 04:26 PM
I agree with you.
The Democrats need to define their own stance on immigration.
They need to define a position that isn't reactionary to what the republicans are doing or not doing.
They need to define a position that is current with the times and the logistics of what is going on around them.
They need to define a position that takes into account all sides of the issue. From what harsh penalties may be incurred to "just" and yet "humane" treatment of "illegal immigrants" already here.
The Democrats as a whole should come to a consensus on the immigration issue before the republicans do first.
And the republicans are divided on the issue as well.
Ok i couldn't any numbers of registered voters (Republican & Democrat) in the red states but here's the site as promised and this goes out to the unaffiliated voters,soon to be new voters,unknown voters and across the globe.
Everyone has been screaming for change and accountability well here's your chance to take part of the process,you want to see real change and to see the end of the republican leadership well this is your chance to bring real change back to america again.
Your goal is to outnumber republican voters in the red states and elect real,serious progressive candidates for the upcoming midterm elections.
Good luck and this is the site for you to check out.
FreedomOfSpeech
Thanks for calling me stupid. Maybe one day I can become the bright and brilliant intellect you are.
I believe PamB’s statement was one of "could you imagine."
I believe Benji’s was the same old you must be a repug because you disagree with me BS.
And FOS, try looking in the mirror before you call someone stupid. You may find the label fits the proclaimer better than the target.
Posted by Bruno on May 28, 2006 at 04:37 PM
sorry to see you post that
Benji
I'd like to see the spate between you, Domingo, Tom, and me come to an end.
yikes,
spat time here, time for a walk here...see ya all later. don't burn the blog down.
Posted by Bruno on May 28, 2006 at 04:44 PM
Bruno,
I don't remember having any spate with you and Domingo is not my ally.
As far as Tom is concerned,
Tom,
I publicly apologize for my participation in the last dispute I had with you. I am embarrassed about it because I value civil discourse and the exchange of thought on this blog. I said a lot of mean things out of anger and I would rather just say that I regret those things. It is obvious there are bloggers here who will stick up for you because they believe in your character.
Sincerely,
Benji
P.S. Have a pleasant day.
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master.
Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."....George Washington
"the world is not respectable: it is mortal,
tormented, confused, deluded forever;
but it is shot through with beauty,
with love, with glints of courage and laughter;
and in these, the Spirit blooms."
The young man who has not wept is a savage,
and the old man who will not laugh is a fool.
George Santayana
The problem is that those who get angry here over an issue important to them not getting full attention, is that they do not realize yet, that if they help get this party, from local level right on up, into power, they can only win from it. Posted by PamB on May 28, 2006 at 10:47 AM
There's even more to it than that Pam. If they're 'not in the party', they can't change what it is they don't like about the party, kindda like what you're doing about 'Old Joe'. The primary is where we decide what kind of a Party we want this to be, pro-working class progressive, or anti-working class repug-lite.
Thanks Benji
I too apologize for rudeness on my part. I'll make sure Tom sees your post.
As for now, the Driftwood will ride off into the sun set of the west as Driftwood flys us to Phoenix for the game tonight.
Happy Trails unbtil we return.
PS. FOS, I rather not fight with you too?
Thanks Benji
I too apologize for rudeness on my part. I'll make sure Tom sees your post.
As for now, the Driftwood will ride off into the sun set of the west as Driftwood flys us to Phoenix for the game tonight.
Happy Trails until we return.
PS. FOS, I rather not fight with you too?
"We cannot live only for ourselves. A thousand fibers connect us with our fellow-men;
along those fibers, as sympathetic threads, our actions run as causes,
and they come back to us as effects."
... Herman Melville
That should have read.
As for now, the Driftwood gang will ride off into the sunset
There are strongly held opinions on both sides of all issues currently facing the nation. Many opinions are held in complete disregard for fact, logic, or plain common sense that proves them wrong. The matter is compounded when a stated opinion is intended, or interpreted, as a blanket statement covering all aspects of the topic.
here's an example:
The case for Controlled Demolition of the Twin Towers. This is a highly developed theory, presented with photo and video evidence that seems to back it up with little room for debate. The strongest evidence supporting the theory is the completely unexplained (and uninvestigated, by order of President Bush) of WTC7. Using history, science, and video evidence, it is very likely the building was deliberately demolished rather than the official "fire made it fall" story.
The problem, as i see it, is those who embrace demolition extend that to the towers as well, and shout down any (rather obvious) evidence that doesn't fit their otherwise sound premis..
The main bit of evidence being that, as seen in photos and videos, the core is still standing to a height of roughly 500 feet as the dust is settling, and only collapses after. Which is why so many of the column pieces are on TOP of the rubble pile; they fell last. The demolition theory would demand they be destroyed first, ergo demolition does not fit the evidence for the towers. It does still fit the evidence for WTC7 though. a real explaination cannot be forwarded until the possibility is accepted that WTC7 was demolished and the towers fell from some other cause.
In the case of immigration, concensus will be unlikely until all sides accept the possibility that, regardless of legalities, the locating/prosecuting/deporting of 11+ million people (who do not want to be located or deported and obviously have a method of avoiding just that) might be more work and effort than it's worth.. and that such targetting could entail yet another black eye for the nation.. and that demonstrators against it could/would number in the millions..
I guess what i'm trying to say is, for this party to succeed fantasyland must be abandoned and we all have to start reading from the same textbook.
--end rant--
"A human being is part of the whole, called by us the 'universe',
a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself,
his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest
-a kind of optical delusion of consciousness.
This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to
our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us.
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening
our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures
and the whole of nature in its beauty."
"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity."
"With all my heart I believe the present system of sovereign nations
can lead only to war, barbarism, inhumanity, and
only through world law can we assure progress toward civilization."
" The ideals that lighted my way, and time after time have given me new courage
to face life cheerfully have been Kindness, Beauty and Truth."
...Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Bruno, I don't remember having any spate with you and Domingo is not my ally. Posted by Benji on May 28, 2006 at 04:53 PM
I wouldn't sweat it Benji if I were you. Bruno tells lies as a matter of course. And one thing you'll find if you pay close enough attention is when you say something to one of these names, later another name will insist you said it to him. You probably did.
"I have learnt through bitter experience
the one supreme lesson to conserve my anger,
and as heat conserved is transmuted into energy,
even so our anger controlled can be transmuted into a
power which can move the world."
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
"An Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind."
...Mahatma Gandhi
Nobody agrees with Bush Jr, not his hand-picked "lap-dogs" in Iraq.
Iraqi Minister Backs Iran on Nuclear Research
BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 26 — Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari of Iraq today endorsed the right of Iran to pursue the "technological and scientific capabilities" needed to create nuclear power for peaceful purposes, in the first high-level meeting between officials from the new Iraqi government and its eastern neighbor.
NY Times
The two world leaders who plotted the original invasion have, at least, come a long way in realizing how many things have gone wrong. Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair, who have always been the cheerleaders for the Iraq initiative, seemed positively downbeat, even as they insisted that democratization would make everything right in the end.
Right now armed gangs of thugs, many of them wearing government uniforms, are spreading terror throughout the country. Some were trained by American forces to work for the Interior Ministry, but actually do the bidding of Shiite political and religious leaders. They harass, kidnap and murder people who follow different religious practices or support competing politicians, often with the help of weapons and equipment provided by an American government that had very different objectives in mind. The Times reported last week that Sunni forces working for the Ministry of Defense who were supposed to be guarding Iraq's oil pipeline were instead freelancing as death squads, assassinating people who cooperated with the same government that paid the gunmen's salaries.
Of all of George Bush's many arguments for the invasion, the only one that has survived exposure to reality is that Iraqis deserve something better than a brutal dictatorship. But right now the country appears on the way to a civil war
NY Times
Just last week CNN had this guy on as an expert about immigration or some such issue...on their reliable sources segment.
More Problems For NYC's Ex-Top Cop
Former Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik Still Facing Corruption Probe
NEW YORK, May 26, 2006
A grand jury in the Bronx has been hearing testimony about a possible corruption case against former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik. (CBS)
(AP) Bernard Kerik once enjoyed a national reputation as a brash, self-made law enforcer. As New York's police commissioner, he was at Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's side during the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. By late 2004, President Bush wanted him for homeland security chief.
Kerik's fame faded after allegations of ethical lapses doomed his nomination. His troubles, however, have endured.
A grand jury in the Bronx has been hearing testimony about a possible corruption case against Kerik involving reputed mob associates, alleged influence peddling and a questionable home-renovation project...
//www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/26/national
/main1662787.shtml
Why is it that whenever one of these Republicans is about to be indicted they are welcomed with open arms by the MSM?
General Hayden is the fool that got the intercepts of the hi-jackers saying on 9/10, "tommorow is zero hour" and "the match is set". He didn't translate them until 9/12. What I want to know is why Junior only wants "failures" working in his adminisration, and why do all the Republicans and half the Democrats let him.
Will, how did we get to the point that we are actually training terrorists in Iraq? If this occupation isn't madness, then I suppose nothing is.
I have a question that no one will answer, how does Mexico treat its illegal immigrants? Are they treated better or worse than those in the United States?
Are new vehicle installed with devices recording the owners movements without their knowledge? Are the corporations bypassing the privacy pledge given to customers, customer info that is given to government agencies without checks and balances of civil liberties?
Exactly how do we as citizens question our government anymore? What agency serves the civil liberties of the Constitution?
Hi bloggers!
deja vu all over again. Neocon's at work Globally.
The Political Culture of Fascism
Colonialism, Fascism and 'Uncle Shylock'
If you have an answer, where we as citizens can ask civilian questions freely without fear, email me at davelyoung1@hotmail.com. I hope the email will get to me, I loved it better when the Post Office handled mail, you had a gaurantee with them. I would love the Post Office to have its own email service with Constitutional rights of checks and balances. I trust them better than a corporation intimidated by executive privilege.
Email me about places with open air discussions needing no tickets, so I moderate into what America needs to be doing, debating the issues before them.
Posted by Domingo on May 28, 2006 at 05:45 PM
Of course he translated it.. thats how everyone who should have been on the job suddenly knew it was time to be anywhere except where they were supposed to be. Kinda hard to get a blank check for war when all you have is evidence you can already stop any attack they launch... the "not till later" bit was just another example of the NSA "we're not going to tell you" bullshit.
Posted by dlesterpoet on May 28, 2006 at 05:46 PM
Vehicles with GPS can work in two ways... one way is locator, where you send the request and it positions the vehicle. The "real time" tracking, which is more popular, is a system where the vehicle drops a bread crumb every minute. in such a case, all movements of the car are tracked. Since the NSA is all about datastream (signal) monitoring (phone/cell/internet/satellite/etc) it is somewhat niave to assume they don't collect these records as well.. especially since the government most likely owns the satellites. Many cars are also now equipped with "onstar", a voice system.
Jump from there to the newest rage in home alarm systems, the live 2-way systems where the monitor station can talk directly to anyone in the house through a dedicated connection. In the more advanced systems, you can actually listen in on your own house, eg when kids get home from school and you are still at work.
Remember NSA? Datastream (signal) monitoring?
The difference between this and the Orwellian "big brother is watching" scenario is, in this situation we not only pay a subscription but consider it hip to have our homes and cars wired for sound...
Of course he translated it.. thats how everyone who should have been on the job suddenly knew it was time to be anywhere except where they were supposed to be. Posted by Tune
You got a point there. Last week Randi Rhodes played a audio clip of one of the news network correspondents on "Hardball" telling Chris he was at the Pentagon that day and after the New York Towers were hit, a Pentagon guy told him, "Stay out of the E-ring, we're next."
Posted by Domingo on May 28, 2006 at 06:13 PM
to add to that, the only ones who seemed to be forgotten when those warnings went out were the Naval Investigators.. their office and staff were decimated in the attack... too bad too, since that department (by nature of it's reason for existance) would have otherwise been the main investigative force into the astounding failure of the air defences...
A number of researchers express doubt about the common account of events surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks. Some propose alternative theories and explanations, the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Others seek to prove that the government's story has too many inconsistencies to be true, and some seek to demonstrate that the U.S. government is complicit in the attacks. Assertions include the involvement of the government and private sector agents; that the government had foreknowledge of the attacks and consciously failed to prevent them; the existence of a cover-up in the investigation, and criticisms of the 9/11 Commission Report. Many of these claims have been dismissed by many journalists and scientists[7][8]. However, some of these claims are supported by a minority of scientists, military experts, government officials, computer experts, journalists, some in the intelligence community, and some family members of 9/11 victims.[9]
As far as the failure of the air defences go, the plane heading for the Pentagon was an hour late. Within minutes of the planes hitting the towers NORAD asked to be allowed to put fighter jets up and they were ordered by command and control to remain grounded, for exactly one hour. Then they were allowed to fly.
Of all the conspiracy theories, i think the most unbelievable one is the one claiming that the entire defensive network of the world's only superpower, which had multiple warnings given to it's multiple branches, was completely thwarted and made useless by some guy living in a cave 5 miles east of where bush and buddies at enron wanted to drive a pipeline to back up a multi-billion dollar investment.
oops, sorry.. thats the official story, not a "conspiracy theory". My bad.
I love this bit of media spin...
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a rare intervention into a criminal investigation, President Bush decided to seal documents that the FBI had seized from the office of U.S. Rep. William Jefferson, a White House official said Friday.
Rare? like, WTF???
Bush has repeatedly and constantly intervened and interfered with every investigation of pug action since he became president! What a pile of shit, a real headline would be "Feds investigate suspected government corruption, Bush cooperating completely".
correction to my last post.. i meant a headline worthy of the news would be etc.. to make thier actual headline true, the "rare" claim would have to be replaced with "same shit, different out..err..white house."
Posted by momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 06:27 PM
Posted by Domingo on May 28, 2006 at 06:27 PM
Posted by Tune on May 28, 2006 at 06:34 PM
Watching the video released last week, the thing that hit the Pentagon was, in my opinion was not an airplane. It had no tail and wings. The Pentagon refuses to release other videos in their possession. It appears to me that it was a cruise missile.
Why else would they hold off shooting it down being that they knew airplanes were used to hit the world trade centers.
Posted by Tune on May 28, 2006 at 06:44 PM
Chimp, vice chimp and Rove are doing a CYA and it really pisses me off. If they allowed the FBI to look into other Congressmen, they might find a hell of a lot of evidence as to their complicity in the destruction of our Country.
Could this be way Junior sealed those records? Cheney must have told him, "Junior, you've got to do something!
Oh my! Cheney and Jefferson both tied to Nigerian bribery scandals.
Watching the video released last week, the thing that hit the Pentagon was, in my opinion was not an airplane. It had no tail and wings. Posted by dumpw
Not only did it not have a tail and wings, in a plane the fuel is in the wings. With this thing, the fireball came from the nosecone.
Maybe the governors of all 50
States should pull back all National Guardsmen and station them in their respective states until this 9/11 conspiracy is resolved.
great song.....
Loretta Lynn's song Dear Uncle Sam.
It is still appropriate
John Kerry Pressing Swift Boat Case
Long After Loss
By Kate Zernike
The New York Times
New assignment for all us "kewl kidz." The fourth of July is coming up pretty soon and I think it's important to declare our independence from tyranny. Let's make a list and check it twice. Compare notes and who knows where this can go? At least some LTE's and perhaps a shift in dialogue. I'll start:
Freedom from Tyranny
Freedom from warrantless searches
Freedom from GWOT means calling opponents traitors
Freedom to prosecute war profiteers
This is gonna be fun! Help! Suggestions! Somebody collect and consolidate our Fourth of July, 2006 Declaration of Independence!
Posted by Domingo on May 28, 2006 at 07:04 PM
The pentagon has video footage that would settle it once and for all. they withhold it not for reasons of national security, but to keep up the debate on the plane/no plane theories. This serves to make anyone who doubts the official story look like they belong to the tin-foil-hat-club.
Could it have been a plane? Certainly. And most likely was. Things to consider:
- The vid footage they released is about 1 frame per second. Capturing an image of an aircraft doing 400+ mph in the narrow frame of view would be a damn lucky shot, since it would take the plane less than a 10th of a second to cross the distance.
- careful examination of pictures show the damage to the building (prior to collaps) is consistant with the size and shape of a 767. it shows more than adequate openings for fuel (which was travelling at the same speed of the plane, obviously) to travel far inside the structure ahead of the combustion wave.
- these planes are made out of very thin aluminum stretched over a frame... while a low angle hit on the ground can cause debris to tumble and leave large pieces behind, a right angle hit into a steel-reinforced brick wall will reduce it to confetti.
The ONLY thing that will resolve these questions are the videos from the traffic cam, the hotel, and gas stations which were each of the type to capture it in fluid motion.
The DoD has no legal "secrecy" leg to stand on in withholding the tapes. They will conclusively show a plane or a missile.
Congress and/or the senate should demand, in no uncertain terms, and on the threat of treason charges being the alternative, that these tapes be released unedited and at once.
Three bomb attacks on markets in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, have killed 13 people and wounded at least 60 others. Full Story:
Bush Administration Seeks to Block Suits on Spying. Full story:
Hillary isn't listening to the voters about Iraq.
Ned Lamont, a real Democrat standing up for what the voters really want:
Electing a Congress to Impeach Bush and Cheney because they lied . . .
Iraq Body Count: War dead figures. The campaign group Iraq Body Count has been recording the number of civilians reported to have been killed during the Iraq war and subsequent military presence. Full story:
What is the worst case senario with the Iraq, Iran, and Isreali/Palestinian situations? If we walked away from all of them and stopped any funding, what would happen?
Would they just keep on fighting centuries' old feuds? Nuke each other? Finally be forced to negociate? Russia would step in? Oil prices would skyrocket?
Perhaps we better start facing reality. If we can't get our trade and national deficits knocked down soon, we will not have the luxury of continuting these foreign entanglements. We might be forced to leave quickly by our creditors.
Wouldn't it be better plan our withdrawal and set up an orderly transition? What can we live with as a solution?
Unlikely Center of Latest Political Storm
Recent disputes have turned House Speaker Hastert from Bush loyalist to critic, and reflect growing GOP dissent.
Hastert surprised many when he criticized the FBI raid on Jefferson's office, because in doing so, he seemed to be siding with a Democrat accused of corruption. Hastert argued that it was his job to defend Congress' institutional prerogatives, and said that the search violated the constitutional separation of powers for the executive branch to be rifling through legislative files. He took his case directly to Bush in at least two conversations last week, according to a Hastert aide.
The issue prompted Hastert's staff to make a rare effort to reach out to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco), with whom Republicans have been locked in partisan combat for years. The adversaries worked together in Hastert's Capitol office Wednesday to craft a joint statement asking the FBI to return the materials seized from Jefferson's office.
But Hastert's drama for the day did not end with his rare appearance, almost hand-in-hand, with Pelosi as they announced their joint statement.
That evening, ABC reported that Hastert was under investigation as part of the Abramoff inquiry because of a letter he had signed urging the Interior Department to block an Indian casino opposed by one of Abramoff's clients.
Political Reform
People are disgusted with corrupt politicians who side with Special Interest groups that can “buy” a voice in Congress with large campaign contributions. We can fix our system, but only under the leadership of elected officials dedicated to protecting our democracy.
Reducing the influence of Special Interest Groups by adopting and enforcing more stringent campaign finance laws – placing the will of the people before the wants of Wall Street
Ensure that all Americans are able to vote by implementing a national Election Day Holiday by giving people the time they need to fulfill their patriotic duty
Avoid the inevitable lawsuits filed over allegations of voter disenfranchisement by implementing Universal Voter Registration for every American on their 18th birthday
JOHN LAESCH FOR CONGRESS
I wrote a book in reply to Sandy's post... it presented a very bleak fatalistic forcast. So i deleted it in favor of yet unseen optimism.
Posted by Tune on May 28, 2006 at 08:44 PM
I do that a lot too...plus there is usually a lot of colorful language in my first draft. By the time I finally get my thoughts together and family-friendly (about a week later), the conversation has moved on.
Posted by DemocratKickingAss on May 28, 2006 at 07:39 PM
Oh come on, no Congress would EVER impeach a President for LYING about something...errr....ummm...ok, no Congress would EVER impeach a President for just LYING about something other than sex.
Posted by GregL on May 28, 2006 at 08:52 PM
Language wasn't the issue with the post.. it was a matter of seeing no solution. the picture painted was one of America rolling down the hill of self-destruction, picking up speed, and having every indication that the brakes are shot...
a quick hello all...sorta a post and run. wasn't sure if everyone had seen trudea's cartoon memorial to americans lost in iraq. if ya did, sorry for the double post.
I wouldn't worry about the language or the optimism.
I don't believe in waiting for nature to take it's course. If there is a real possibility of a flooding rain, I move to high ground or better yet build up stream to begin with.
We should be looking for strategies that offer some degree of success in the Middle East5 instead of waiting to see if the neocon's philosophy will play out in a few decades.
Posted by SandyH on May 28, 2006 at 09:37 PM
the way i see it, there is only one strategy left..
It is known the war was bogus from the start, that it was a war to increase profit for some while disgracing the nation in the eyes of the world. The Iraq war was never about terrorism, and only the most stubborn and uninformed can fail to see that.
There is only one way that i see for America to redeem herself.. even if it's just to herself.
We claim the love of freedom, the respect of law, and the equality of mankind under the law.
We need to prove it.
2008 is too late to deal with the treason that infests our nation. At the current rate, there will be no America to govern by 2008.
We need an uprising of our own, we need to oust the traitors and we need to do it NOW. We need to show the world, and more importantly, ourselves, that true justice knows no class distinction and that it really is WE THE PEOPLE who run this country.
We have been hijacked.
We need to take our country back from the traitors, and let our actions - rather than the language of corrupt politics - speak in our defence.
(msnbc)Investigated Marines held at Camp Pendleton
Troops awaiting outcome of inquiry held in pretrial confinement...“Like the commandant of the Marine Corps, Marines aboard Camp Pendleton are concerned regarding allegations emanating from Iraq,”
if the marines are charged, then kingbush and the lap poodle should be charged as accessories or something similar. the marines did not break the pottery rule.
Posted by Tune on May 28, 2006 at 09:54 PM
Tune,
Good, passionate speach, how?
Posted by momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 10:13 PM
letters to the editor in local papers. call MSM offices, email the talking heads, the reporters, etc.. also members of congress, etc..
don't waste bandwith pleading your case or telling them that which THEY ALREADY KNOW.
Ask them, instead, if they are really ok with being party to treason.
Because by remaining idle and silent, they make themselves accessories after the fact. (with at least some before and during)
Organize. We are seated at the center of a nation-wide campaign system. Use these systems to take a vote to washington. You want a campaign platform? here it is. This is, in the true sense of the words, a national emergency and a matter of national security. America is in greater danger for every minute the traitors commit murder for profit in our name.
Knights of the Democrat Round Table
I raise my cup in your honor tonight!
(yes I just watched King Arthur)
But your posts this evening have been spectacular and I would gladly march with any of you alongside the banner of TRUTH any day!! I am proud to know you all!
MAGNA EST VERITAS ET PRAEVALEBIT
Mighty is the truth, and it will prevail
and
Tun Sie es mit reinem Gewissen
- do it with a clear conscience
SLainte`
Cheers
(a little latin, a little german, a little gaelic, just because)
evenin' dawnie,
all are welcome to the knights of the democratic round table... a knight displays honesty, possesses integrity, exhibits tolerance.
well, that leaves out the trolls, kingbush, lapdog...shotgun dick ... rummy the lier ... conninvingcondi ... delay ... rove(r) ...
"The War Began On My Watch, But It Will End On Your Watch"
paulsh'n,
translation:
"i broke the pottery rule and you fix it"
Hey {{AmericaFirst}}
Here's a favorite of mine from Einstein!
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Hey Dawnie, been having a good weekend? how's the weather up there? been warm and sunny here...
Tune,
you are very correct, this is what i have been advocating all day, we need to organize ourselves and speak with one voice, one message pounded over and over again.
using a chapter right out the the pug playbook, saying something over and over eventually makes it ring true in the minds of the masses.
so, our first assignment is to write a letter to the editor decrying this war?
although we have big problems in iraq, without a stated position by all dems, what are we to offer as a solution?
may i suggest that we instead start with what seems to be making headlines all over: the search and siezure in congressional offices by the FBI, sent in by the Executive Branch.
as most are noting, this bipartisian outcry would have more merit if they haven't been the lappack congress so far.
however, no one points out how this administration, on it's high and mighty horse has ignored the law....
what do you think? lets discuss this....
we do need to organize ourselves. after all, Tracy did give us a challenge to write LTEs this weekend....
WOW I agree excellent posts tonight. Count me in on the round table. If we get dems in and they seek truth and justice the country might actually regain the lost trust from the rest of the world and PEACE could be possible.
Hi...Dawn...yep, up for air;)
Hey Paul H! At least Gilligan was sweet!
W is ANYTHING but sweet! And definitely not profound if that's what you meant. :-)
Posted by xdebx on May 28, 2006 at 10:46 PM
{{{buddy}}} I was wondering! hehe!
I am glad your honey gave you a breather! Even more glad you showed up here!!! :-)
I came across this paragraph about Memorial Day on the Veterans for Peace web site. I share Mr. McPhearson's sentiments.
Veterans For Peace National Executive Director Michael McPhearson stated, “It is not enough to simply remember and mourn. If we are able, we must also act. As we remember and mourn, we should use this occasion to motivate ourselves to work towards ending the madness and horror of war. We have a responsibility to educate the public on the human cost of war, the lives shattered, broken and lost. We stand as witnesses to this terrible cost and we say to our fellow citizens that there is a better way. Join us as we walk the path of peace.”
...copied from Detroit Free Press Blog... http://freep.typepad.com/opinion/
Posted by momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 10:46 PM
Hey {{Linda}} it's HAMMER TIME!!!! LOL
ok we have 5 months left (not long at all) but still long enough to MAKE OUR CASE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR TO THE MSM THAT WE WON'T TAKE THEIR BS AND LIES ANY LONGER!!
Tomorrow I start emails, calls, what ever and hopefully if we all do that THEN the brown nosers of the BIG CEOS OF TV will realize their days in power are numbered!
Time to stop preaching to the converted and debate somewhere that matters. Midterm Elections are coming.
You know Rove has got more than a few dirty tricks left up his sleeve.
Do something!
Everybody on this site except for a few trolls already agrees with you. Go to the politics boards at Yahoo, e.g. http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&action=t&board=37138469&sid=37138469 or ivillage at http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-elpoliticsto/?ctx=128 or find a board in Ohio or a swing district.
Get out there and debate in no person’s land. And link link link to boards like thinkprogress.org and crooksandliars.com as well as mainstream media like the NYT, CNN, ABC etc.! Help wake America up to the crooked, incompetent Republican failures that have seized control of our government.
Posted by ModerateDemocrat on May 28, 2006 at 10:58 PM
excuse me? I just got here! I'm not done. Too late to GO anywhere! hmmm wonder who's preaching now?
THREE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT:
1. COWS
2. THE CONSTITUTION
3. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. COWS
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing
that our government can track a cow born in Canada
almost three years ago, right to the stall where she
sleeps in the state of Washington? And, they tracked
her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate
11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country.
Maybe we should give them all a cow.
2. THE CONSTITUTION
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for
Iraq. Why don't we just give them ours? It was written
by a lot of really smart guys, it's worked for over 200 years
and we're not using it anymore.
3. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
The real reason that we can't have the Ten
Commandments in a courthouse........
You cannot post ! "Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Thou
Shalt Not Commit Adultery" and "Thou Shall Not Lie" in
a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians --
it creates a hostile work environment.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it..."
the latter we all know as kingbush who is actually three bolts and two screws and one nail shy of being within the range of "mediocrities."
{{{DAWNIE}}}}
CAN'T TOUCH THIS,UH UH UH UH, UH UH.....
Tune, ModDem, everyone...we all agree that we need to have our voices heard..
what is our message? we should have started this a week ago so we could have something submitted by this Memorial Weekend...
this however will be good practice, get all the bugs out kinda thing. However, by July 4th, we should have a HUGE MESSAGE! One voice, one message, we can do this guys!
Posted by momoaizo on May 28, 2006 at 11:08 PM
How about ...... CAN'T STOP THIS instead of can't touch this? lol
This tread is really long...any objections to going HERE?
FOR THE NEW THREAD
The TRUTH TRAIN - Can't STOP THIS!! with the Hammertime song blaring in the background!!
hehe
guess ol' mod dem was just another post and runners....
hey, anyone read Benji's list ? Look at his 2:49 PM post from earlier today. btw, Freedom of Speech took dibs on the "pissed" off progressive and I took Lefty Loonie....
Deb a couple nights ago I asked "the Principal" if we could migrate if it gets long and she "didn't recommend it"
but then I told her we'd all still be Neanderthals if we didn't learn to MIGRATE so I'll be glad to follow the Truth and Peace Train where ever it shall go! :-)
neander??? is that spelled correctly?
Looks good to me Deb, meet you behind the Democracy Bonds....at the peace train station....woooo hooooo!!!!
Drat! I need to get some sleep tonight. We are up early (for me) tomorrow. And last night I was up wayyyyy too late in here but really had a blast!
Sorry to only stay an hour but I got all caught up in that King Arthur movie. One I've never seen.
I'll be back after we get back tomorrow and try to catch up with all you fine KNIGHTS of the TRUTH and PEACE TRAIN BABY!!
be well and be strong!
Hugs!
AWWWWW, Dawnieeee,
ya gotta do what ya gotta do, but hate to see you leaving....
You cannot post ! "Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Thou
Shalt Not Commit Adultery" and "Thou Shall Not Lie" in
a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians --
it creates a hostile work environment.
Posted by xdebx on May 28, 2006 at 11:00 PM
Priceless, Deb
just stopping by to wish everyone a nice holiday weekend. some holiday-right? our brave troops sent to die needlessly by that LITTLE CHIMP BUSH. what a disgrace. I will be thinking of all the brave men and women who have given their lives to protect our freedom. I will also be praying for those who died in this unjust bush family feud. may we honer them by impeaching the lying sack of shit who sent them there. he has no shame and no remorse for this horrible deception. I'm sure he would do it all over again including letting 9-11 happen so he had an excuse to go after Iraq. sometimes it still doesn't seem real. also I need to re-emphasize what a horribly bad idea hillary running for president is. she has kissed the ass of the little chimp man with this war and I will never forgive her for that. she also knows the 2004 election was rigged but she doesn't care because she is only looking out for herself. I would slice my own arm off with a dull butcher knife before I will ever vote for her. I would vote for jeb bush before hillary. you probably think that people like me are going to suck it up and go vote for the queen in 2008 but YOU ARE WRONG. she is not going to be president. I have been hard on al gore in the past but I will get behind him. howard would probably get a good cabinet position. maybe hillary should try going home and baking some cookies or something. it ain't going to happen people. and the sooner we all agree on this- the better.
HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY!!!
Posted by Tom_Terrific on May 28, 2006 at 12:45 AM Can you OBJECTIVELY think of anything other than illegal immigration where their opinion is different from most on this board.
I'd say that while we agree on illegal employment - we disagree on who should pay how much of the fine.
The Left Coaster: Bush Admin Crimes Archives
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/cat_bush_admin_crimes.php
Nine dead in Iraqi bus explosion. At least nine people have been killed in an explosion on or near a bus north-east of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, police say. Full story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5026318.stm
(Bush/Blair call this progress?)
GOP Heavy Hitters Pressuring White House to Talk With Iran
By Laura Rozen
The Los Angeles Times
Iran's foreign minister Manourchehr Mottaki says world should not fear its nuclear programme?
http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=interview&article=345017&lng=1
WE ARE OVER AT THE DEMOCRACY BONDS CONFERENCE CALL THREAD. IT IS LOCATED RIGHT UNDER THE SERIES OF COLOR PHOTOS OF THE MAYORS GET TOGETHER.
does anyone have a copy of diplomacy for dummies they can loan to condolisa?
The Senate Bill:
No penalty for employers who hire illegals.
Illegals can draw social security for illegally earned wages.
Consultation with MEXICO before securing our borders.
Legalize millions who broke our laws entering the country. They have to produce proof of how many years they have been here, which is a joke. If they can forge documents to work they can forge other documents also.
Illegals granted amnesty can then bring in their families. Wonder how many per person that would be?
Babies born to Illegal immigrants automatically become citizens, and of course who will deport the mother?
If our immigration laws had been enforced after the last amnesty, as was promised, we would not now be facing the problem of what to do with 10-12 million marching in our streets, calling us WHITEY, GRINGO, AND TELLING US TO GO BACK TO EUROPE!! We would not see our Flag flying upside down while the Mexican Flag is flying high. We would not have Spanish as a second language and we would not be accused of STEALING THEIR LAND, or seeing placards reading "THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, NOT YOURS"!! Haven't any of you actually taken a look at the videos of the marches on the Internet?
Haven't any of you listened to the LA RAZA speeches on the Internet? Because if you would do that you would see what the Liberal News leaves out of the News broadcasts.
These are the immigrants that the Senate wants to give citizenship to. Immigrants who only want to be "MEXICANS IN AMERICA", not Americans.
Secure the border first. Not only Hispanics are coming over, along with the drugs and the diseases for which they have never been vaccinated. The makings of bombs have been confiscated along with firearms!!
I don't understand what's wrong with enforcing our laws. There is a big difference between a LEGAL immigrant and an ILLEGAL one. Why is everyone ignoring the difference between those two words? "A Path to Citizenship" is the buzz word for AMNESTY! America has always had a path to citizenship. A legal path, so why are we trying to encourage ILLEGAL entry to the USA?
I'm sorry, the logic behind the Senate bill, the Liberal and the Democratic Parties stand on Immigration and even some of the misguided Republicans, who are supposed to be Conservatives, totally escapes me.
What on earth is wrong with legally entering the country, and what is right about illegally entering our country?
What is wrong with securing our border, and what is wrong with enforcing our immigration laws? If we do not enforce them why do we even have them?
Our Government once had a reason for passing immigration laws, but saw no reason to enforce them.
This whole situation boggles my mind and screams of some hidden agenda, like OPEN BORDERS BETWEEN CANADA, THE US, AND MEXICO.
It's really too bad that American citizens will never know the truth behind our Politicians reasons for anything they do.
One thing I do know, they do not have the best interests of the American citizens who voted and elected them to office, or they would not now be siding with illegal immigrants who should not be here in the first place. They are here because our Government chose to ignore immigration laws they themselves promised to enforce.
Posted by NOAMNESTY on May 29, 2006 at 11:43 AM
So, have you written any letters to the Editors? have you encouraged your friends and family to do the same? have you written or called you senator? your congressman? don't just be outraged...turn that energy into action!
What an awful story. Kimberly Dozier of CBS was injured and 2 of her crew members were killed after a bomb went off when their military unit they followed was attacked.
My thoughts and prayers go out to Kimberly and my deepest condolences go out to the families of the 2 crew members.
I can not get my hotmail account to receive email, I sent it to myself from a different account and never received it.
Anyway, why can we not have the Post Office offer an email service that uses there guaranteed delivery pledge? They can also offer certified email that the email was delivered unfiltered, unaltered, and on time. This may help keep government intrusion legal that they will require court ordered warrants, and that other countries would be kept from spying on free speech in them. I wonder though if regular mail is being opened “At Will” of the White House without warrants. Therefore, maybe Senators and Congressmen can use Post Office email without fear of domestic spying, I think so anyway.
Second of all, can Congress come up with a bill making it unlawful for any organization to filter and/or alter email without consent of the receiver, that a warrant must be issued with checks and balances of due process of Constitutional law? That it will outlaw foreign intelligence and others from impeding the free speech of our Freedom and Democracy to speak out freely in email.
Can Congress find out who are on these secret domestic lists of citizens being monitored and check for abuse? Can Congress have a dozen people (Not a few chosen by a White House but by Congress) qualified on national security matters with the highest clearance possible, so they may look at all the data of the White House secrecy? Every time the White House get in trouble they say it is a matter of national security. It is a matter of national security that Congress and the Supreme Court have the highest credentials to oversee the Constitution from executive privileged abuse.
If you want try davelyoung1@hotmail.com and if I receive your email I will email you back. Maybe it is paranoia from being in a Bush empire. It would be something to check if email is being corporately filtered, also give me places on the Internet where things are being openly discussed in free speech philosophy.
I did finally get some of my email after waiting an hour, while at Yahoo it is instantaneous, maake you wonder, still I would like certfied email from the Post Office.
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I don't believe what I'm reading here. CHENEY BUSH far worse than we all could imagine.We should all be pushing for IMPEACHMENT!
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"That fishing expedition extended to the National Archives in Washington. Quietly, the CIA and other government agencies were pulling public files from the shelves and stamping them secret."
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"I am a lifelong Democrat and because the Democrats won't support my one-issue agenda (i.e. immigration) I'm going to vote republcan. That'll show those Democrats whose boss."
Left Wing Democrats are fools if they think the Immigration issue is going away. The Democrats has been a minority in both the House and Senate for ten years. The Democrats lost the Presidential election in 2000. The Democrats didn’t even win the Presidential election in 2004 against the pitiful excuse for a president, GWB. And now they think they can take back the Senate and House in November. The Democrat’s base is now made up of only the Gays and a group of women who were stupid enough to have sex with out protection (those who support the Right to Abortion Issue). This is because the Left Wing Democrats will not listen to those who are concerned about a “Peasant Work Force in the United States”. The Left Wing Democrats are calling this Racism (which it is not) and won’t even listen to those Democrats who are concerned about it. Well CLOSE only counts in House Shoes and Hangernaids. WE have put up with the whining from the Gays and that group of women who were stupid enough to have sex with out protection (those who support the Right to Abortion Issue) about their issues but now when Labor has an issue that they are concerned about, the DNC alienates every individual who wants to discuss it. I ask you, why should we continue to support the Gay Movement and the Pro-Abortion issues when you and the DNC won’t even listen to us about our side of the Immigration Issue.
For those of you on this Blog who refuse to listen to us, then turn off your computers and get a real life.
This issue is not going away, only the would be Democratic Voters are going away and going to vote for candidates who listens to them (those 75% of Republicans who have enough guts to stand up against GWB’s desire for a Peasant Work Force in the United states).
I am tired of listening to the Left Wing Democrats blaming GWB for the War when it was the Democrats who voted for the War in the first place. I am ashamed of the Democratic Party’s “Lets start a War but I don’t want to fight” attitude. Yes I have been a Democrat all my life along with all of my family but we are all ashamed of the DNC now. You and the DNC refuse to listen about our and millions of other U.S. Citizens’ concerns about a “Peasant Work Force in the United States”. The DNC may gain the 11 million votes of the Peasants but you are going to loose 22 million votes from U.S. Citizens. The Democratic Politicians should represent the citizens of the United States and not citizens from other countries. We are the ones who voted for the Democratic Politicians last time but if they continue not listening to us, don’t count on use voting for them the next time.
Remember: “Every Vote Counts”, and as quoted from:
“Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the head of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, agreed that Democrats have not sealed the deal. "I think if the election were held today, there is a 50-50 chance of taking the House and the Senate and a very high percentage of gaining a significant number of seats," Schumer said.”
So, if I were you, I wouldn’t be turning away voters.
I am a lifelong Democrat and because the Democrats will not support my one-issue agenda (i.e. immigration) I'm going to start a third party or vote republican. That'll show those Democrats whose boss.
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