Wednesday Open Thread
What I'm Reading This Morning:
- Blow the Whistle, Loudly
- Former Ney Aide Testifies
- More Splits in House GOP Ranks
- They "Really Wanted Laura"
Comments (331) «
al gore calls bushco..." a renegade band of right wing extremists"....right the f_ _ _ on al!
sock it to me al
WELL, here is what you are reading this morning.
You probably don't give a shit what happens to me, But I'm the one that fuel prices put out of business. So now there repo'ing my truck this week and today their cutting off my phone. At 61 years old it is hard to find a job no one wants a old man working for them. Just think one day this could happen to YOU
Fred
www.fredwilkes.blogspot.com
Why can't we mind our own business?
Posted by SandyH on May 31, 2006 at 10:05 AM
GOOD question Sandy!! Thank Goodness SOME of us can!! I think it may be catching on too!
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Greg, I was glad to read that about the Chicks being #1
They deserve it for being HONEST and speaking TRUTH to POWER!!! I hope the redpukes actually LISTEN to the words from their music! And maybe take those damn nasty flags off the backs of their gas hogs & suv windows!
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 10:20 AM
Posted by dogbroke on May 31, 2006 at 10:17 AM
Sorry to hear that and I'm sure it may not matter to you that you are not alone.
if our marines are charged in haditha massacre, charge george bush, dick cheney, and donald rumsfield with war crimes! the buck stops at the top. they obliterated the pottery rule. impeachment is too light a sentence. if america doesn't have the guts to try these 3 whacos occupying the whitehouse, then relinguish them to an international court...and too a trial held in a court in haditha...haditha doesn't have a viable court? no problem, hold the trial in the open street.
"a renegade band of rightwing extremists"
It appears that Sennenbrener agrees with Al Gore for maybe the first time?
I just love this picture of Bob & Friends...this in a paper out of the 18th Congressional District here in OH. HAVA more fun all the time. (pos! ruined democracy!!!)
The 'champion': Ex-aide Volz takes stand at Safavian trial, describes Ney as a lobbyist's best friend
“We had a champion in Congress who had already agreed to attach other provisions to that bill, and it was moving,” Volz said, referring to an election-reform bill that Ney sponsored.
“Who was that champion?” asked federal prosecutor Nathaniel Edmonds.
“Congressman Ney,” Volz responded.
dogbroke,
sorry to hear. and, yes i do care. it hurts reading your post. america should be taking care of its own. americans 1st. my sugggestion would help, but will not happen. leave iraq or sieze the wealthy repubs assets for their debacle, starting with the assets of kingbush, shotgun-dick, and rum-the-lier, and rove-the-spinner...they are the benefactors. the taxpayers are the losers, including the blood and flesh of our finest.
Posted by SandyH on May 31, 2006 at 10:33 AM
I'll still never forgive Senselessbrenner for turning the mic off (and house lights) on John Conyers!!
He's a hideous man who's as smug as they get over this latest breach of the constitution (all for show no doubt as Cheney is hiding much via his pawn Jefferson)
I can't wait to see if Gonzalez will uncover the truth after he reads all that info on the hard drive of Jefferson's computer. The parts where it says Halliburton got some big contract in Africa thanks to Cheney and Jefferson's help.
Oh wait didn't Cheney make GW halt all that investigation (while they supposedly cool down) or in otherwords while the breach is repaired and the info disappears into some back room in cheney's office? While Jefferson being a pawn goes to jail?
Yea that sounds about right.
I care what happens to a 61-year-old whose business got screwed by the high fuel prices. I'm not far behind you, Fred. I know 30 somethings facing layoff who now say their 5-year career plans now include becoming a greeter at a Walmart someday.
What do we do when bankrupcies gets to be an epidemic? Are they going to throw all the baby boomers in debtors prisons? Send all the younger ones off to Syria or Iran with radiation suits? When do we join the Vietnam vets on skid row?
It's time to Restore America not the Middle East.
Time to bring home the troops and get serious about alternative fuels....make the rich pay for their little experiement in outsourcing American jobs and importing cheap foreign laborers and Asian creditors.
gotta run...while I still can afford using my car.
later.
20 bux and it only gave me 3/4 of a tank!!!
I hear you Sandy and I'm back out myself.
6am was wayyyyy too early for this night owl to open her lids! Maybe a nappy later.
Peace ALL!
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 10:37 AM
I'll never forgive Ty Cobb for being such a bigoted bastard...but he did his job on the field. We need to preserve this republic until we can get back control of Congress. If we have to rely on the likes of Sennenbrener, well, we have to.
I don't think any of us understand how close we are to the edge of a dictatorship in the country. Domingo said that last night and he's right.
I love Conyers, too. He reminds me on one of my uncles. But he doesn't have the power to stop them right now.
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Fred, I hate like anything to hear what's going on in your life, man. My better half and I are just now coming out of 3 years of un-/under-employment. Sleeping in a pickup with 3 dogs is not the most pleasant accommodations Ive ever had :(
I'll be 49 in a couple of weeks and know what you mean about nobody wanting mature workers. American companies either want "interns" who will work like dogs for free or to pay you half of what you're worth. I'm making less than half what I was 6 years ago, myself.
Wish we were closer, man. Our hearts ache for your troubles. You've given us one more good reason to kick elephant arse.
dogbroke,
i know that humor will not help. but in the light of your situtation, this is what i posted last night. i coudn't have made this up.
"stopped at my station yesterday to fill up...then only put in $25. i'll drive less. while looking at the pump, someone had written using a permanent marker scrolled on the pump "f...you bush." i mentioned that to the attendant inside and he said, yep, he's been getting a lot of heat and he has nothing to do with it. nor, did he go out and clean off the pump. says something about the person who wrote it and the attendant...tells me they think the same way."
We need to get stickers/banners/flyers at every gas station "thanking King George". The $50 I put in last night will last only a week for me. Get it into the people's heads that when they checked the Bush box on the ballot in 2000 and 2004, they were voting for outrageous gas prices.
America1st, we had a piece on the local news the other night about the flack that station attendents are taking for the high gas prices. One local station started flying the Jolly Rodger in protest of being ripped off by the big oil companies and another station posted on one of their signs
Unleaded - arm
Premium Unlead - leg
Last summer Shell put the squeeze on one of the local stations because they wanted to force her to break her contract and take over her station so they spread out her fuel deliveries to the point they eventually put her completely out of business.
These are the FOB's (Friend's of Bush) that continue to sky rocket to the top on the backs of those that have fallen under their weight.
Fred,
As a 59 yr old, I understand where you're coming from. My husband was out of work three years ago for 6 months before he found a job. He is making 1/2 of what he was before he lost his other job due to downsizing. I blame all of this on the greed that has taken over this country and the Republicans who control that greed. I live in an area where the median wage is well over $100,000/yr and they ALL vote Republican thus, a very red county.
They have no compassion, they think if you're not rich, you didn't try hard enough. They are the epitome of the Republican State of the Have More's - Bush's base.
I'm sick of it!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki declared Wednesday a month-long state of emergency in Basra, where violence has erupted in recent weeks among rival Shiite factions fighting for control of its rich oil resources, and sectarian tensions remain high.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/31/iraq.main/index.html
Blue, it is now close to $75.00 to fill up our large family car, thankfully we drive it only close to home and to run errands that require the kids come with so a tank of gas will last a little over two weeks.
This has definitely stopped many of the things we would have done like trips to see the family in Cd'A and even short day trips to the city. All fun family activities are weighed against the expense of driving and I have actually turned down job interviews because it would require I drive to work rather than having mass transit options.
No wonder Bush refuses to do anything to get ready for nature diasters...it's far more profitable to clean up than protect. While they are busy doling out cash to their no bid contractors they refuse to help those with homes there rebuild.
Contractors rake it in as they clean it up
Unleaded - arm
Premium Unlead - leg
Kristen,
yes, i'm sure we'll be seeing more of this. i guess i wasn't surprised by the attendant's attitude that someone had scrolled "f... you bush" on his pump. the scary part is if we pasted pictures of bush thanking us on behalf of his oil cronies on pumps, we'd have a consumers clobbering the pictures and the pumps... not good for the stations or the fire depts.
Posted by america1st on May 31, 2006 at 12:05 PM
So few to do the clobbering now, I'm not worried. Even those that claim to support him are pissed.
Carry a "sharpie"..."HAD ENOUGH?" scrawled on everything people can see ... add "Vote Democrat" if there's room.
AP) - OLYMPIA, Wash.-Police fired pepper spray as about 150 anti-war protesters tried to enter the Port of Olympia amid demonstrations against the shipment of Army equipment to Iraq. Twenty-two people were arrested Tuesday, officials said.
All of those arrested were taken to Thurston County Jail for investigation of criminal trespassing. No one was seriously injured, sheriff's Capt. Brad Watkins said.
http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/632/05-31-2006/5e83000f6435d6be.html
it is now close to $75.00 to fill up our large family car
kristen,
that's why i only put in $25 and vowed to drive less. it is no concidence that the price of gas has skyrocketed as the oil profits rise while the situation with oil producing countries vs the unted states becomes more strained by kingbush. keep in mind, our kingbush distanced us from cuba also...then china does an oil deal w/cuba. kingbush threatens iran, and iraq meets one-on-one w/iran, then the issue of iraqi oil...paying it's own way? what a sham ... and we taxpayers pay the price for all kingbush's motorcade of gas hogs on their way to another bushphoto op.
america1st, I've decided to fill it up and drive it less, that way I'm only going once every 2 weeks, we haven't found away for my husband to get around driving since he works construction and is constantly changing job sites but we do carpool as much as possible with him even taking me to the morning train on his way to work.
As for Bush's motorcades, the foolish would be King is coming to our state soon to fund raise for Reichert. This absolutely kills me since we pay for these fundraising junkets (heavy on the workd JUNK). It is time the campaign's pick up the tab for these things, but I'm sure they would realize he costs them more than he gives them, but then we already knew that!
kristen.
i'd suspect that if kingbush's motorcades had to pay their own gas, they'd do a squeeze on the independent stations to cut them a deal or else the companies that supply the independents would cut off the supplies or raise the costs on the independents. there is nothing this corrupt adm wouldn't do.
Unraveling ‘Team Abramoff’s’ strategy
The Abramoff team sent Ney partially filled out draft financial disclosure forms for him to use in filing disclosures with Congress that falsely understated the total cost of the trip at $3,200, Volz testified.
“I thought that number passed the smell test,” Volz said, explaining that he hoped that reporters searching public records for travel abuses would pass right over it without asking questions.
In a statement, Ney’s spokesman, Brian J. Walsh, said, “Congressman Ney filed exactly what his office was told to be the cost of the trip ... what every other member who has taken a privately funded trip has done for years.”
The better way is Z TEAM!
No gifts from lobbyist!!!
A pledge
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 13 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Wednesday he was troubled by allegations that U.S. Marines had killed unarmed Iraqi civilians and that, “if in fact laws were broken, there will be punishment.”
does this include a war tribunal for mr bush, mr. cheney, and mr. rumsfield as accessories for this massacre? mr bush did in fact break laws...besides the colin powel's pottery principle...correction, he obliterated it.
ok all, have to leave this enlightened place for now. return later. keep the spotlight on kingbush and the corrupt court of jesters.
This is insane!
I know this seems unimportant in light of bring the troops home, and everything else and the human suffering and the gas prices, but this just makes my insides hurt on top of everything else (the ducks arent even safe) I love to watch ducks.
Do we really need Duck Liver?
call all the congress now - lets get this over with - Call Gov Pataki's office
Force feeding ducks for 10 times the normal size livers that sell gourmet for $110.00 for 2 pounds. I'm sorry but that is too painful to think about even for a Duck.
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=66659
When Governer George Pataki awarded a $420,000 grant of taxpayer money to Hudson Valley Foie Gras http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DCWM0/102-3479448-6289720?v=glance&n=3370831
Domingo
everything in The Turner Diaries is all the same stuff the "Driftwood boys" keep saying in here.
At first I was going to just ignore your post and chalk it up as misguided. But on second thought, Driftwood and I need to call it what it is.
You Domingo, are a BOLD FACE LIAR. Driftwood nor I have read the Turner Diaries, even though we did hear them discussed in the McVeigh trial. For you to drop this unjustified label on us is not only ignorant, racist, and self serving, but a disgrace to the 1st Amendment, and an attempt to remove pragmatic considerations from the debate on illegal immigration.
Once again I will state, we support legal immigration while opposing illegal immigration. The cost for your agenda will remove badly needed funding for elderly and poor Americans and give it to illegal immigrants. You support amnesty for SS fraud and could seem to care less about whether your agenda is sustainable.
I don’t see any value in you keeping this a “hot button” topic until the US House starts its reconciliation with the Senate bill.
Sorry Momo! I know you like Domingo, but he is more than just wrong here.
Bruce Schneier: We're giving up privacy and getting little in return.Better to put people, not computers, in charge of investigating potential plots.
Bruce Schneier
Published: May 31, 2006
(snip).......Just in the United States, there are trillions of connections between people and events -- things that the data-mining system will have to "look at" -- and very few plots. This rarity makes even accurate identification systems useless.
Let's look at some numbers. We'll be optimistic -- we'll assume the system has a one in 100 false-positive rate (99 percent accurate), and a one in 1,000 false-negative rate (99.9 percent accurate). Assume 1 trillion possible indicators to sift through: that's about 10 events -- e-mails, phone calls, purchases, Web destinations, whatever -- per person in the United States per day. Also assume that 10 of them actually indicate terrorists plotting.
This unrealistically accurate system will generate 1 billion false alarms for every real terrorist plot it uncovers. Every day, the police will have to investigate 27 million potential plots in order to find the one real terrorist plot per month. Clearly ridiculous
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So, we give up our privacy for what? If I believed inconspiracies....
Once again I will state, we support legal immigration while opposing illegal immigration. The cost for your agenda will remove badly needed funding for elderly and poor Americans and give it to illegal immigrants. You support amnesty for SS fraud and could seem to care less about whether your agenda is sustainable.
Posted by Bruno on May 31, 2006 at 12:57 PM
I whole heartedly agree with you here.
(This will be an interesting dialog to read, too bad I'm headed to the big city and won't catch up until tomorrow night. yes, I do have a big wooden spoon)
;p
move our troops to protect our own borders.
Posted by theo on May 31, 2006 at 01:16 PM
Inertia happened.
Common sense would have been to bomb the hell out of Afghanistan/binladen, and protect the mother land.
Let the Iraqis fight for their own freedom.
For anyone interested, New York's Court of Appeals, the end of the road for all New York cases, is having a hearing on the Same Sex Marriage Lawsuits and will be broadcasting a live Webcast at 2 pm Eastern time. You can view it here if you wish to see it.
Let the Iraqis fight for their own freedom.
Posted by Esmeralda on May 31, 2006 at 01:22 PM
They wouldn't be fighting if we hadn't destroyed the fragile balance that was there.
Don't ya feel bad for him? It just breaks my heart.
Treasury Nominee Faces a Change in Pay and Control
If confirmed, Henry M. Paulson Jr.'s salary would drop by about $29.8 million and he would lose authority over $700 million in Goldman stock.
Posted by theo on May 31, 2006 at 01:16 PM
If you still "don't know", then maybe this will help you make up your mind:
http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/wwjd.html
Posted by Kristen on May 31, 2006 at 01:27 PM
No they wouldn't be. I'm sure they were surpressed...they could have uprisen on their own if they wanted out from under Saddam Hussein.
And if "we the people" vote repug/corrupt dems this fall, we might as well be in the same boat.
Time to take a nap. I've a long drive ahead of me.
Enjoy the afternoon, everyone.
Posted by Bruno on May 31, 2006 at 12:57 PM
Why do you call Domingo a bald faced liar? I went back to see what post you were refering to and nowhere in the post did Domingo say that you actually read these Turner Diaries, but he simply stated that the diaries were similar to the same thing you and your crew keep repeating. I know that you may feel it was inferred that you had read it, but it doesn't say anything of the sort. Or is it that you are embarrassed that some of your rhetoric is highly revered by hate groups? I am just asking because to call someone a liar for saying something that was true is odd. It would be different if Domingo had actually said that you lifted your views from those documents, but he didn't. He simply stated the fact that the views in those Diaries was similar to those views that you express.
This email is to alert you to a new project: The Alachua Project - which
seeks to bring democracy to the City of Alachua and to expose and remove
the corrupt practices plaguing that city.
There is a website where you can find out what is going on and participate:
Please stop by.
Also of note - the Alachua County Republican Party, with the official
sanction of the Republican Executive Committee, has now launched its own
registraton-based site. It openly admits that it is behind this site and
endorses and sponsors it. This was confirmed this morning by Republican
Chairman Stafford Jones.
This site can be found at http://thetruthabouttheala.blogspot.com
What is clear is who has been authoring the numerous "anonymous" attacks
on other local sites in recent months - as it is the same tone and style
(as well as content) as has been seen there.
Stafford Jones explicitly stated to State Candidate Charlie Grapski this
morning that the Alachua County Republican Party has decided to "draw a
line in the sand" on the issue of the City of Alachua. Alachua, according
to the GOP official, is a "model" city which should be followed throughout
Alachua County. What the ALA and the Alachua Project, as well as Grapski
and others, have challenged as being inappropriate, unethical, and illegal
are instead portrayed by the local Republican Party as "pro-job,
pro-family" governance.
They have drawn the line in the sand - and declared that all should take
sides on that line. Its another "You're either with us or against us"
moment. And they have clearly defined which side of that line the
Republican Party stands on. Where do you stand?
Sandy H-
If you are out there, I have a book for you to add to your list:
WHAT GOD WANTS by Neale Donald Walsch
It's a very dangerous piece of writing and has the possibility to change the world. It has changed my life.
PEACE
Burnsey
I went back to see what post you were refering to and nowhere in the post did Domingo say that you actually read these Turner Diaries,
I didn't say that Domingo said we read them, I was pointing that out by declaring we have never read the diaries.
Let me point it out more clearly for you.
everything in The Turner Diaries is all the same stuff the "Driftwood boys" keep saying in here.
Turner Diaries author William Pierce tried to promote his vision of a whites-only homeland and a government free of "non-Aryan influence.
To insinuate that Driftwood, Billy Bob, Tom, and I are advocating or saying this position is a Bold Face Lie. Pierce never supported legal immigration, we do.
rebuilding the American Dream
Posted by Thomas_Paine1776 on May 31, 2006 at 02:14 PM
And there in print is one great Democratic Party slogan....
It reminds me of "daybreak in America", if I remember it correctly, that was used for Reagan.
Posted by Burnsey on May 31, 2006 at 01:56 PM
Thanks, Burnsey.
That's what I was looking for...a book that could change all of our lives...even the ones's who think they have all the answers.
I'm tired of re-hashing the past. I want to work toward something again...not just drive out the barbarians.
Bruno,
We have all been stoned from time to time on this blog. I was driven away for making (I can now admit to myself was a pretty unfeeling, smug remark) off-hand comment about Paul Wellstone. I was lynched, burned at the stake...and then I realized I didn't care. And neither should you.
I knew I didn't do anything wrong. You know you are right with yourself. So let it go.
We all come here from different perspectives. That's what I find interesting. I'm surprised every day by how strongly some people feel about some things I take for granted. You can broaden your horizons or limit them.
Here's a secret: I sometimes say things that aren't true. Don't bother to check my facts on purpose. Just want to make my point. I just can't help myself when I'm on a roll. I'm not perfect and I like it that way.
Posted by Bruno on May 31, 2006 at 02:53 PM
Too wordy IMO. FWIW, I don't believe anyone else on this blog would compare your rants to the Turner Diaries. They would be wrong.
Budget reprise reveals how fiscal times have changed
Democrats have talked for a couple of years about unveiling their own version of the “Contract With America” before Election Day, mimicking the strategy Republicans used in 1994 to capture the House.
But Republicans seem largely to have renounced the Contract. Many conservatives believe the party’s evolution of beliefs has led to the GOP’s political troubles today: low poll numbers and growing fear that Democrats may regain power.
I sometimes say things that aren't true. Don't bother to check my facts on purpose. Just want to make my point. I just can't help myself when I'm on a roll. I'm not perfect and I like it that way.
Posted by SandyH on May 31, 2006 at 02:53 PM
You mean that you tell stories? ;)
Posted by Bruno on May 31, 2006 at 02:19 PM
That makes a better argument than just saying someone is a bald faced liar, IMO. Saying what the Diaries (which I had never heard of) say and how you do not agree with them makes your argument for you better than just calling someone a liar. I agree that you have not stated the opinions as laid out in the Turner Diaries, and thank you for the clarification. I appreciate that. As you know, I agree with you on many of the issues surrounding Illegal Immigration, I just don't talk about it here so much because it causes such consternation. But that's just me. THANKS.
Big issues before the court
Here are nine of the most important questions the Supreme Court will confront in June, the last month of its term.
The truth out? ok, so I'm laughing over this article.
Monkey Business 2008
On Wednesday we were treated to a jaw-dropping Bill Frist puff piece by Washington Post writer Laura Blumenfield, who followed the politician and heart surgeon into a National Zoo operating room as he performed an operation on a gorilla named Kuja. Her breathless reporting describes the surgeon's "hairy arms" and the odor of gorilla testosterone. She fantasizes about the stanky hormone clinging to the Senate majority leader as he presides over the Senate later in the day as its top "silverback" gorilla.
I wish these air conditioning guys would get the job done, I want to head north.
Looking on the bright side, I'll keep reading news.
U.S. Sets Conditions for Talks With Iran
New Orleans Sinking Faster Than Expected
Parts of New Orleans are sinking far more rapidly than scientists first thought, more than an inch a year, new research suggests.
Posted by martys58 on May 31, 2006 at 03:36 PM
Back away from Bill O'Leily and Faux News and pick up a book, preferrably a dictionary.
change that to preferably
serves me right for my catty comment to marty...
Posted by Kristen on May 31, 2006 at 03:46 PM
Do you think he knows that there is a "war" in Iraq? Oh never mind, probably not.
U.S. Sets Conditions for Talks With Iran
hey Esmeralda,
this is the problem...setting conditions before talks. remember recently the iranian leader extended a diplomatic letter and our arrogant hell bent on war kingbush rejected it. that, was an opening, eventhough the letter was critical...diplomatic courtesy, which is lacking with the bush nuthouse in washington, should have accepted the letter as an opening to dialogue. kingbush already, not the iranian leader, overseas is perceived as the boggie man. add to this, the other day iraq met with iran one-on-one to discuss just this issue. the same iraq (mission accomplished) that we are still quagmired in over are heads in blood and money. so, this extension to talk w/conditions is another way for conniving rice to say...see we tried, but they were not interested...another spin, another sham, and another potential war that we can ill afford, nor would the world support. come on folks, we're already isolated no thanks to kingbush and his court of arrogant jesters. i'd sense that real diplomacy and world peace is not in america's immediate future.
Hey Blue, I was just reading that it looks like the 'stolen' VA data encompasses more than was first thought and includes including phone numbers and addresses. What is really strange to me is that while there was a 'burglar' there has been no mention of anything else being taken from his home.
While I'm not a big tin foil hat person, I can't help but wonder if this guy had told the burglar where to look.
Posted by Kristen on May 31, 2006 at 03:56 PM
There are some interesting facts to this case. Interesting that one of the people involved was a former chair of the republican party, iirc.
Hmmmm. Makes me want to shake a vet and say "wake up!. You swift boated the wrong guy!"
No wonder Bush refuses to do anything to get ready for nature diasters...it's far more profitable to clean up than protect. While they are busy doling out cash to their no bid contractors they refuse to help those with homes there rebuild.
Contractors rake it in as they clean it up
Posted by Kristen on May 31, 2006 at 11:57 AM
I'll bet that that a**hole Trent Lott got his house fixed up at taxpayer expense in record time. I emailed him and asked him that question when it was reported that people in Mississippi were not getting their houses repaired. I don't even live in Mississippi. No response of course.
I find it curious that the DNC Blog is not reading:
US probe finds unprovoked killings in Haditha
Posted by Kristen on May 31, 2006 at 03:56 PM
Did you know that the person who took home the computer that was stolen was a former head of the RNC either nationally or at a state level, I can't recall which. Just another bit of info I found interesting in that case.
If Nancy Pelosi wants to be Speaker for the new majority, and she wants good jobs in California, then focus on good jobs in Michigan Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The Democrats need the Midwest to be the new Majority.
Start talking about an E85 mandate and the size based CAFE rule. These are issues that matter to Midwestern voters.
Posted by Thomas_Paine1776 on May 31, 2006 at 03:58 PM
My older brother is working to clean up the mess from Katrina. He said he has years of work, and that it stinks down there. I've seen the pictures he sent home. Not a pretty site. I don't know how much he is getting paid, but it sure beats having no work here in OH.
Good afternoon, everyone.
Posted by Thomas_Paine1776 on May 31, 2006 at 02:14 PM
Posted by BlueinIdaho on May 31, 2006 at 02:29 PM
Thomas Paine/Blue,
I like that "rebuilding"/"restoring" language. It's like saying let's create something great again.
I also think reminding people that America was once an Impossible Dream sort-of-place...and could be again...doesn't hurt. It's been a long time since we've had any good news.
The Republicans have mandated that we can only be successful as a country by adopting unrealistic goals and ideals of perfection.
It's a bunch of malarkey. Perfection? No wonder they have fallen on their faces so badly.
Now that their strategy has failed in every conceivable way (domestically and overseas), we're left with a pretty battered and bruised national image that we don't really deserve. People need some encouragement that isn't just another publicity stunt or propaganda.
So let's not do it. Instead, let's ask Americans to start acting like Americans again.
Ask them to quit blaming scapetgoats for all their troubles. Face the future with God at our side not at our back. Start taking those baby steps necessary to solve our problems instead of praying for an answer.
That is what made America great. Not a lot of fictional models of propriety and piety. We work hard and we play hard as a people. We have never been saints.
Let's regain that rough, tough, and tumble attitude toward life. That's the American way...the American spirit. That's where our good ole yankee ingenuity and confederate pride comes from. We can move mountains when we are challenged.
Why have the Republicans tried to make us ashamed of our heritage and culture? It's that unpolished, unappologetic spirit that got our ancesters across the oceans, over the Rockies, and all the way to the moon.
But that national spirit had been muzzled by the Repubicans. They want us to be afraid and divided. There is something really unnatural about it all...sick in some way.
Why would any American political party knowingly cripple their own country? Why have did they make us fail?
So this is our message:
America doesn't wait.
Americans make their own destiny. And that destiny is to achieve everything we set out to do. No more Republican excuses or failures.
Americans aren't waiting for another president in '09 to solve our problems. We begin fixing them now...by electing a Democratic Congress this fall.
that is sugar cane, supposedly burns cleaner and less affect on the atmosphere,
Posted by Kristen on May 31, 2006 at 03:46 PM
Kristen may I borrow your dictionary, (I cant seem to spell,)(not good at typing either)
Posted by Esmeralda on May 31, 2006 at 03:06 PM
I been known to tell whoppers. Best stories come from the heart not the mind.
Get ready for a shakier ride for the enconomy
How did this company get in bed with the government? Interest question for research.
Everyone thinks Fannie Mae is the Govt.
"Facts on Fannie's fraud"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060531/cm_usatoday/factsonfanniesfraud
Strip him of all assets, go to prison, (no get out free pass) for a long, long, long, long time.
Theo, I'll try and find some articles on it, I have read that the corn ethanol is more harmful to the atmosphere, true better than fossil fuel.
Did you know that the person who took home the computer that was stolen was a former head of the RNC either nationally or at a state level, I can't recall which. Just another bit of info I found interesting in that case.
Posted by Burnsey on May 31, 2006 at 04:21 PM
Hey Blue, I was just reading that it looks like the 'stolen' VA data encompasses more than was first thought and includes including phone numbers and addresses. What is really strange to me is that while there was a 'burglar' there has been no mention of anything else being taken from his home.
While I'm not a big tin foil hat person, I can't help but wonder if this guy had told the burglar where to look.
Posted by Kristen on May 31, 2006 at 03:56 PM
This case sounds like a Watergate moment. The repugs are great at breaking in and stealing things. I'll bet Rove is at the bottom of it.
Posted by Esmeralda on May 31, 2006 at 03:22 PM
And this is why the MSM and the Republicans deserve each other. I've often wondered why many of them act like people wearing gorrila suits intead of rationale human beings. It's apparently a common fantasy in the Beltway.
Next time I see one of them on the tube, I'll close my eyes and imagine.
Actually, I always loved those Three Stooge comedies where they are being chased around by a guy in a gorrila suit. I also like the haunted house segments. Real high-brow entertainment.
Parliament demanded prosecution of U.S. soldiers involved in a deadly road crash that sparked Kabul's worst unrest since the Taliban's downfall, and President Bush spoke Wednesday with the Afghan leader and pledged a full investigation.
Accidents usually occurred when the driver is not focused on the driving. When a person is under enormous stress, their driving ability is decreased.
Iran's official news agency says U.S. offer on talks was "a propaganda move."
"Given the insistence by Iranian authorities on continuing uranium enrichment, Rice's comments can be considered a propaganda move," IRNA said.
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 04:46 PM
Check out the Apollo Alliance.
This case sounds like a Watergate moment. The repugs are great at breaking in and stealing things. I'll bet Rove is at the bottom of it.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 04:46 PM
I think that Gonzales raid at the Hill qualifies as a Watergate moment, too. They already had enough evidence against Jefferson. What did they really want to get from the Congressional computers?
Actually, I always loved those Three Stooge comedies where they are being chased around by a guy in a gorrila suit. I also like the haunted house segments. Real high-brow entertainment.
Posted by SandyH on May 31, 2006 at 04:47 PM
Do you think they poke at the eyes and bop each other on the head in Congressional hearings?
Rice's comments can be considered a propaganda move," IRNA said.
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 31, 2006 at 04:49 PM
Takes one to know one.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 04:55 PM
Only in closed sessions...or when they go over to the White House for a meeting with the Chimp.
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 04:46 PM
Here is another energy independence site that has a petition to be signed.
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 04:28 PM
dk2, The following is part of a letter I sent to my Senator, Bingaman some time ago.
"By using Ethanol and Methanol, we can put our farmers to work instead of paying them not to farm and we can spread the wealth by putting Hawaii and Puerto Rico to work growing sugar cane again. We can also put Central America and Mexico to work growing sugar cane instead of Opium and whatever other drugs they produce. It's a win win situation. This could also help the illegal immigration problem we are currently facing."
I understand that sugar cane can also be grown in the southeast.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 04:14 PM
I think he was having the same trouble as everyone else on the Gulf. The insurance company didn't want to pay. Said he had flood damage not storm damage. How could anyone tell the difference after a Category 4/5?
Posted by theo on May 31, 2006 at 04:34 PM
Brazil's ethanol yields nearly eight times as much energy as corn-based options, according to scientific data.
"Our energy balance is so favorable not just because we have high yields, but also because we don't use any fossil fuels to process the cane, which is not the case with corn."
"In the past, the residue left when cane stalks are compressed to squeeze out juice was discarded. Today, Brazilian sugar mills use that residue to generate the electricity to process cane into ethanol, and use other byproducts to fertilize the fields where cane is planted."
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 05:10 PM
good letter,
thanks for your help.
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 05:11 PM
Thanks for the research. Sugar cane looks very promising what with all the spinoffs. I think we use petroleum to produce some fertilizers. If we can use the sugar cane byproducts instead that would be great. During WWI the Germans developed a process to extract Nitrogen from the air.
All we need to do now is prod our congresspersons to do something about it.
Forget china worry about walmart!
Bill Katovsky: Meet Moses of the Anti-Wal-Mart Movement: Al Norman, a.k.a. "Mr. Sprawl-Busters"
Close to 7.5 cents of every retail dollar spent in this country is funneled into Wal-Mart's coffers. Its revenues constitute 2.5 percent of America's GNP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060531/cm_huffpost/021890
dumpw: Brazil is even putting it to use for home heat by putting electricity in to their grids.
dk2: We need to email our congresspersons and demand that the US drop their $0.54 tariff on imported Ethanol. Lobbying by oil companies probably resulted in the tariff. This has to change. Congress needs to stimulate the installation of Ethanol fuel pumps at all gas stations nationwide. Currently we have only one station in New Mexico that carries E85 Ethanol.
Robert Scheer: Bush Links Energized Enron
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060531/cm_huffpost/021916
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060530_robert_scheer_enron_bush_lay/
Robert Scheer: Bush Links Energized Enron
(click on enron)
and click on: Ken Lay
Sorry dont know what happened above.
(NSA doesnt like me.)
dumpw
We need to email our congresspersons and demand that the US drop their $0.54 tariff on imported Ethan
I believe the idea here is not to import anything.
You can help and buy stock in the future at the same time. Earth Biofuels
Coin dealer admits illegal donations
"A coin dealer and prominent GOP fundraiser at the center of an Ohio political scandal pleaded guilty Wednesday to federal charges he illegally funneled donations to President Bush's re-election campaign"
In Ohio
How do I know the pugs are lying?
Their lips are moving and their nose is getting longer!
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 05:42 PM
I didn't realize that the whole bush crime family and administrations were involved in raping California. I sensed it at the time when king bush, jr. did nothing for us.
Senator Barbara Boxer Wants Troops Out of Iraq By Year's End . . .
The latest reporting by the pugs on faux, Carter got money from Bin Ladin Group. Therefore why should Bush get slammed from helping the Bin Ladin Group.
Here is why Bush should get slammed for aiding and abeding the Bin Ladin Group.
1) The Bin Ladin Group were associated with the Ford administration, Paul woof, rummy, xheney were all part of Ford Administration. They catered to Bin Ladin to help curb the Islamic fundamentalist in Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iran!!
2) During the Carter Administration the Bin Labin Groups relationship and foriegn policy towards keeping an open channel with the people in the region ment keeping a relationship with the Bin Ladin Group. During the Carter adminstration the Osama Bin Ladin was not identified as a terrorist.
3) The Bush administration continue to support he Bin Ladin group when it was known that Osama Bin Ladin was "The Terrorist" responsible for multiple bombings of american installations around the world and was getting support from the Bin Ladin Group.
That's the difference between Bush and Carter. Carter inherited a policy from Ford administration with woof, xheney, rummy. Carter kept a channel open and negotiated some good pieces treaties in the middle east. Bush continue to do business with the Bin Ladin Group even after he knew they funneled money to Osama Bin Ladin and Bush administration knew Osama Bin Ladin bombed US installations around the world but continue to do business with Osama's money source. That is a tresonous act!
That's the difference and the Lie the pugs are attempting to portray!!!
Before I "cared" about politics I can remember coming home from school and my Dad would be sitting in front of the tube watching at least 3 different versions to get what he called "all the views" (cbs, nbc, abc usually, no faux news back then)
All I remember is being so sick of news!! I would turn it off or leave the house and go ride my horse or what ever.
This is what I think a large part of the nation is doing. Turning it off. As long as their lives are some what stable all they've got to complain about is the gas prices. (I remember that from the 70's as well)
That is really bothering me. Thinking about that. How many are only tuning in for a short time to hear something horrible and turning it back off. OR hearing ONLY someone like Chris Matthews tonight again on the HILLARY in 08 band wagon and his "is it for real" marriage.
If this is all the GP is getting then we are totally screwed!
How do you get someone to care about politics? Maybe that's like asking how do you get someone to quit smoking? You DON'T! They've got to come to that realization on their own.
It's a scary thought. Just sharing. I know most of you have been avid lovers of the game of politics for eons. I was not. Not that I shouldn't have been. I'm honest though and admit to missing a LOT of the strife.
Someone please tell me. Was it EVER EVER EVER this BAD???? (if so then I'm glad I missed it)
Evening
MSNBC Question of the Day (doh)
Do you think Sen. Clinton should run for President in '08? * 10634 responses
Yes
37%
No
63%
CSPAN's Poll Today
Will the appointment of a new Treasury Secretary improve public perception of the economy?
Yes 19%
No 81%
sigh
Someone please tell me. Was it EVER EVER EVER this BAD???? (if so then I'm glad I missed it)
Evening
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 06:38 PM
It started gettig bad when ronnie became governor of California. Then he became presidunce and it got worse. Remember we had woof, xheney, and rummy as part of all repug administrations starting with ronnie. No wonder we are in trouble It's going to continue to get worse until we vote these b******d repugs out of office.
Check posted by HybridFuel on May 31, 2006 at 06:08 PM
Check out military update - where we are around the world. (very lengthy)
May 31
DoD News Briefing with Brig. Gen. Ham
Presenter: Deputy Director for Regional Operations, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Brig. Gen. Carter Ham
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2006/tr20060531-13150.html
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 07:01 PM
I agree, Reagan started a major downfall.
He was not anyway near one of the best presidents as was label during his funeral, I couldnt even watch any of it on TV - made me sick to hear how he had been declared so wonderful. Yuck, yuck, yuck, gag, gag, gag, and then you can imagine the rest.
Remember, with the exception of king george the first, they were and are all chickenhawks. The only veteran was king george the first. He supposedly was a fighter pilot in WWII.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 07:01 PM
I think with the internet now we should have mid term evaluations of all of our politicians whether state or federal!
VOTE them out EARLY if they are corrupt! No matter what!
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 07:08 PM
I couldn't stand to watch ronnies funeral either. chimp put it on like a coronation. He pissed away a lot of our money on this pompous funeral. What a horrible spectacle.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 07:08 PM
I am sure (as I served) there are as many corrupt military as there are civilians. With the exception of the memory of WAR, a rat is still a rat no matter if they have stripes or NONE at all.
Actually I knew more criminal types while I served than I ever met after. Just saying.
But I understand the lack of service thing and that they really have no right sending others to war w/out serving themselves first.
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 07:09 PM
Midterm evaluations might be a valuable tool. How about IQ tests for all candidates.
Oh, that reminds me, I wonder if chimp has sent his coloring books to his library yet. I am curious to know if he colors within the lines or he just scribbles.
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 07:08 PM
chuckle @ yuckyuckgaggaggag chuckle
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 07:16 PM\
oh HAIL yes I agree on the aptitude testing! As LONG as you can make sure they are not cheating in order to pass!
Liars, Crooks and Cheats know no other way to take a test!
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 07:13 PM
I was in the Army in Germany when the Russians built the Berlin wall. I joined the Army after college even though I had a deferrment and served a full three years. At that time (1959) we still had the draft. I received my discharge in 1965.
He supposedly was a fighter pilot in WWII.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 07:08 PM
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...Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft. However, the other man's parachute did not open, and he fell to his death. It was never determined which man bailed out with Bush. Both Delaney and White were killed in action. While Bush waited four hours in his inflated raft, several fighters circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard submarine U.S.S. Finback. For this action Bush received the Distinguished Flying Cross. During the month he remained on Finback, Bush helped rescue other pilots.
However, some people have expressed skepticism of the official story, asking if Bush bailed-out unnecessarily, causing the needless deaths of his crewmates. The primary witness against the official story are Charles Bynum and Chester Mierzejewski.[1][2]
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And some speculate that GHW shot the guy on the way down, in order to cover up for his personal cowardice.
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 06:38 PM
It was pretty bad during the Vietnam War. The military draft made everyone get involved in politics.
I think the bleak jobs picture in the U.S. could be just as galvanizing. As middle class Americans start realizing their standard of living is dropping (or their children or grandchildren's) and is not going to recover, things could get pretty dicey.
I think a lot of the anger generated around illegal immigration is really middle class frustration with corporate America and the Republicans who have been allowing them to outsource and insource cheap labor at their expense. Those that voted for these bums can't yet admit they made a mistake.
But when they started going after Social Security you saw what happened. The middle class baby boomers drew a line. The Republicans are going to be forced to go after it again. By outsoucing good paying jobs, the fund is shrinking.
They young and old will come together like they did with Vietnam. Something ugly is developing. I wouldn't want to be an affluent American when it surfaces.
I guess it all comes down to shame. Some people just have NO shame!
Nothing bothers them. They never feel embarrassed by their actions. Some of it is generational I am aware of that. (like cussing)
But to not feel guilty for cheating on either a mate or a test or the extra 25 cents the clerk gave you that was too much...... and have no shame?
They are souL- Less. Plain as that I guess.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 07:22 PM
I was officially out in 83 (i think) lol
Gregg
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OH hEY DPD, Sandy, dk, dumpw, hybrid,
Nice reading you this evening! Thanks for joining me. :-}
dumpw
what were your thoughts back when the wall went up? And did they change after you grew up some?
My impressions are much different in many respects then from when I served. Having a past has a lot to do with it. Of course!
In our 20's we had barely a recollection of the night before. lol
An update on an oldie but a goodie.
Caution, Adult Language
Wear your headphones.
Posted by DPD on May 31, 2006 at 07:39 PM
LOL thanks I needed a good laugh!
I wish they'd add Tucker, Scarborough, Matthews, Hughes, Kudlow, Blankley, Buchanan, Hitchens and a few more on that list though.........
The power of money.
Clean Air Watch: Bush EPA Ignores Science - and Recent Developments - in Reaffirming Pro-Industry Mercury Rule
"This is a classic case of the Bush administration harming the environment by currying favor with a powerful special interest - the coal-burning electric power industry. This decision means power companies can continue to pump this poison into the air for many extra years, unless states take swifter cleanup action," O'Donnell noted."
...Pauline Robinson Bush (December 20, 1949 Compton, California – October 11, 1953 New York City) (known as Robin Bush) was the second child of George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush. Named after her maternal grandmother, she died of leukemia at the age of three. She was initially buried in Connecticut, but was reburied in 2000 at the Texas A&M University site which is intended for her parents.
One writer has argued that her death left a profound impact on her older brother, the future president George W. Bush.
Could this be a case of sibling rivalry, and Little Georgie murdered his own sister?
I think an autopsy is in order. There was ALWAYS something fishy about the ever changing stories about the #2 kid's sudden death.
We ALL know about Little Georgie's penchant for torturing pets, and shoving firecrackers down the mouths of frogs.
I really think that Little Georgie's little sister should be exhumed.
We have a mad man walking around loose.
Posted by DPD on May 31, 2006 at 07:52 PM
lol um I hear Randi say he's MAD all the time!
and not the angry kind of mad
my MOM always refers to the scary Bush on the COUCH book! Anything is possible (it is quite clear) but dayum!
I have to say I think CHAINSAW is twice as evil as W. But that's just my impression. Double the Trouble. I'm not sure I want to know for sure though.
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 07:38 PM
I was stationed in Kassel in the British zone as part of an Army Security Agency unit. We were fairly close to the East German border and were ordered to be ready to head west if the Russians crossed the border since we were a non-combat battalion and right in the path of historical invasion route through Kassel.
I didn't think to much about the wall going up to tell you the truth. I am a history buff and have been reading the history of WWI and WWII including the events leading up to the wars. I didn't really get interested in the history until the late 1960's.
One night when I was on shift at our work center we received reports that the Russians lined up their tanks in a long line right at the border facing west with their lights on. We were, to say the least, a little alarmed.
I think at about the same time, Kennedy became President and extended everyone's enlistment several months. The draftees were very upset about being extended especially the lifers as we called them. At the time, they weren't allowed to bring their families over because of the crisis with Russia.
I just loved Germany, of course I found out the reason in 1989, most of my mother's family came from Germany.
Birds of a Feather must also work for BELLY crawling REPTILES and the SCALES they share.
considering the hannity's, coulters, O'liely's, Lush's, jez the list is endless!
It's a damn demon ARMY of HATE and CRUELTY!!
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 08:01 PM
Kewl! :-) thanks for sharing! I'm 3/4 German myself. Not that it matters really.
I am curious about a bumper sticker I saw today
I didn't like it but that's because I was taught Pride goes before a fall.
What do you think of this guys sticker (on his big honkin pickem up truck) that said American Pride on it?
Is that the replacement for his W sticker? I wonder?
Pride can be over done. It just read a little unnerving to me.
Anyone know about these new bumper stickers?
In our 20's we had barely a recollection of the night before. lol
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 07:38 PM
Tell me about it. I think I drank too much German beer and it affected my memory. I always managed to make it back to base though. I wasn't too interested in German ladies because they never shaved their legs. Ugh. The French ladies though were oohlala as they say.
Restore America!
In America we truly believe that each day brings us a new opportunity to do better than we did the day before. We threw off tyranny in our own land, halted a worldwide threat of oppression, misery and death and saw daybreak over the long, cold war.
We have seen political scoundrels in our midst cause great damage to our treasury, institutions and even global standing in times past and even today. They campaign on hate and fear to shout down the better angels of the American ideal, where all men are created equal and fear is moderated with prudence and wisdom.
The spell of these prejudice peddlers and false prophet trampy little Jesus pimps, who get fat from the carrion of their deceit, is a short lived spell, save for only a few. The newly awakened realize they have been duped and are of little humor. America is the strongest nation on the face of the earth. She gets her power from the people who vote.
Restore America!
Dawnie
It hasn't been this bad since Herbert Hoover.
Hoover and the Great Depression
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 08:10 PM
I get lazy sometimes but ewwwwwww! I don't think the French shave under their arms tho do they?
LOL @ oolala
mon dieu!
considering the hannity's, coulters, O'liely's, Lush's, jez the list is endless!
It's a damn demon ARMY of HATE and CRUELTY!!
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 08:02 PM
They would fit right in with Hitler's SS running concentration camps. Remember Schindler's List where that head SS guy (Armon?)in the camp would just pick up a rifle and shoot at Jews in the yard at random and for no apparent reason. Of course, he was hanged after the war. Maybe these creeps will suffer the same fate after being tried for treason.
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 08:13 PM
I guess that's part of my memory I left in the NCO club. You are right the armpit thing was pretty gross.
Posted by Bruno on May 31, 2006 at 08:13 PM
I don't even think back then it could equate with all the public broadcast station LIARS AND FRAUDS like some of those I mentioned.
At least the public was given a relatively balanced version of the truth? or not I don't know for sure as I was not around. And was the whole PUG congress in bed with criminals like they are now?
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 08:14 PM
In the last decade I've missed a LOT of movies for various reasons. That was one.
It took me years to finally sit down and cry through the Titanic movie. I am not really a fan of depressing movies although they may be quite informative. I'm a wuss that way. :-{
I will stop hogging the blog and go eat din din and catch the last half hour of Keith (even though he's been GONE) grr!
BBL
thanks for the chit chat Friends :-) {{hugs}}
It hasn't been this bad since Herbert Hoover.
Hoover and the Great Depression
Posted by Bruno on May 31, 2006 at 08:13 PM
Hoover surely sounded like a wacco repug didn't he. I remember my father talking about working for WPA in San Francisco, probably in 1934. He couldn't find work so WPA gave him the job of drilling holes in Eucalyptus acorns. I think at the time people used hanging beads or acorns for room dividers in doorways. Things were really bad. He finally got a job as a postman in 1937.
When Roosevelt took office he started all kinds of recovery programs such as the Conservation Corp where young men worked in the National Forests and Parks thinning trees, building trails and fighting fires. An interesting note. A large number of these kids made their careers with the Forest Service and were retiring in the 70's. They made a great backbone for the Service. Roosevelt also electrified (Rural Electrification Administration) the mid-west. Prior to his administration much of the midwest did not have electricity. Part of their work included the dams in the Tennessee Valley and Grand Coulee Dam in Washington.
During the 30's some very large skyscrapers were built including the Empire State Building. All these projects provided jobs for the everyday American. The repukes couldn't care less. They were afraid that the average American would be come dependent on government and that would be a sin.
The repugs did not believe in helping anyone and they still don't. They thought big business would help but they were too cheap to open their moth-eaten purese.
It took me years to finally sit down and cry through the Titanic movie. I am not really a fan of depressing movies although they may be quite informative. I'm a wuss that way. :-{
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 08:25 PM
My favorite movies are Young Doctor Frankenstein, and the Police Academy series. Schindler's list was a tear jerker. Another great movie was Three Wishes. I was even in tears (of joy) over that one. Check it out it's really moving.
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 08:47 PM
Don't I wish. "You're doing a great job rummie".
Hah. Bush should also take the blame for the massacre and resign along with cheney, rummie and rice.
I was in the Army in Germany when the Russians built the Berlin wall.
Posted by dumpw on May 31, 2006 at 07:22 PM
evening dumpw,
this was the same time my brother was in the Army in Germany. ( He came home Christmas 1964 and was killed in an auto crash . ) He had re-enlisted and was headed to a Pentagon job after his leave, which he never made.
I suppose the bases were very large there, though, to know everyone. My brother was Ron Carney. Didn't know him, did you?
Posted by PamB on May 31, 2006 at 09:18 PM
I am sorry for the loss of your brother. I don't recognize the name. Was he part of the Army Security Agency?
The Army had a huge force in Germany at the time. Most of the American forces were in southwest Germany south of Frankfurt. I was stationed at a small base called Rothwesten just outside Kassel in east central Germany which was in the British Zone.
THE republicans KNOW THAT THEY WERE IDIOTS TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY TO WAR WITH IRAQ.
THE republicans HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TRY TO EXCERCISE DIPLOMACY BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT SUPPORT THE OIL INDUSTRY OWNED republican WAR AGAINST THE NATION OF ISLAM.
NO ONE IS GOING TO FORGET THE 2400+ SOLDIERS THAT DIED FOR THE republican's oil industry sanctioned WAR IN IRAQ.
THE republicans, WHO ARE OWNED BY THE OIL INDUSTRY, NEVER LEARNED TO UTILIZE DIPLOMACY.
THAT IS WHY THE COUNTRY IS A MESS.
CONDALEEZA RICE IS TALKING THE TALK.
BUT NONE OF HER TALK MATTERS BECAUSE SHE IS CLUELESS ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.
CONDALEEZA RICE HAS NEVER MADE A POSITIVE DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
SHE ONLY KNOWS HOW TO DEFEND THE PRESIDENT.
CONDALEEZA RICE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT MAKING PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THE CORRUPT AND INCOMPETENT REPUBLICAN WHITE HOUSE CAN ONLY PRETEND THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DIPLOMATIC BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER HAVE THAT ARROGANT SWAGGER THAT YOU GET WHEN THE MISSION IS ACCOMPLISHED.
THE CORRUPT AND INCOMPETENT REPUBLICANS...
THEY THOUGHT THAT THE FREE MARKET WOULD SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS.
YET THEY HAVE A SKYROCKETING DEFICIT.
GAS PRICES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.
THE STOCK MARKET IS STEADILY GOING DOWN.
OUR SOLDIERS ARE FIGHTING A WAR FOR OIL INDUSTRY.
THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED SENATE CAN'T PASS AN IMMIGRATION BILL.
THE REPUBLICANS CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT.
Posted by Benji on May 31, 2006 at 09:34 PM
It appears to me that chimp is only posturing by saying that we will talk if they stop Uranium enrichment. It's propaganda. He knows they will tell us to go to hell. Then he thinks he can gain some leverage with the UN.
If all else fails he will trump up some excuse to go to war. He has already made up his mind. Rumor has it that vice chimp will call for an attack in June. I don't think the American people will stand for it. I have already told my Congresspersons and Senators that this is exactly what I think chimp is planning and he should be stopped.
Our "strategery" should be to just flat out tell them that if they ever shoot a rocket with an atomic warhead at any nation other than their own they will immediately, and without fail, be returned to the stone age and no human habitation will be possible throughout Iran for 1,000 years. I think that would be a clear statement. I think Clinton gave them a similar ultimatum after they were behind the blowing up of an embassy in Africa. They immediately classified his ultimatum. I like to think that it was similar to my suggested ultimatum because we did not have another peep out of them until chimp started calling them the axis of evil.
aw geez benji, you're going to be called back into the principal's office, again.
why are you shouting, honey? are you upset?
from Tom Toles cartoons:
"Well, maybe it would have been better if I hadn't said certain thangs...
"Bring it on".... "compassionate"
"conservative" ........ "the surplus is tooooo big"
"Dick Cheney, will you be my Vice President?"
"vote for me"
the consequences were misunderestimated......
THE CORRUPT AND ARROGANT REPUBLICANS...
ALWAYS BLAME THE DEMOCRATS...
FOR THE ECONOMY...
FOR THE SPENDING...
FOR THE TAXES...
FOR BIG GOVERNMENT...
FOR NATION BUILDING...
BUT THE CORRUPT AND INCOMPETENT REPUBLICANS...
HAVE CREATED AN ECONOMY ON THE VERGE OF INFLATION...
A CULTURE OF CORRUPTION IN WASHINGTON...
ALL PAID FOR BY THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATIONS SURPLUS AND THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER...
WHILE CUTTING TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY...
AND ENRICHING THE OIL INDUSTRY WITH RECORD PROFITS...
WHILE OUR SOLDIERS ARE DYING IN A WAR THAT WAS BUILT ON A LIE AND FAULTY INTELLIGENCE.
THE REPUBLICANS MUST HATE AMERICA.
Posted by dogbroke on May 31, 2006 at 10:17 AM
Get to your state's employment and training center, ASAP! Keep your head up, buddy. Maybe you can get some help. At the very least, go find out if there is any available through WIA. Also, try indeed.com to see what kind of jobs are around. You type in your zip code.
My heart goes out to you, Fred. Don't give up!!
THE REPUBLICANS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR SUPPORTING SUCH AN IDIOTIC GROUP OF CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS AND PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATIONS.
THIS REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT IS A SHAMBLES.
THE REPUBLICANS SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO MANIPULATE THE MARKET FORCES FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL GAIN...
THEY NEVER SPEND ANY TIME UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING OF GOVERNANCE.
Someone please tell me. Was it EVER EVER EVER this BAD???? (if so then I'm glad I missed it)
Evening
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 06:38 PM
NO, NOT IN MY LIFETIME------>It was NEVER this bad!
BUSH IS AN ARROGANT, BIG MOUTH, WANNA BE TOUGH GUY, WITH A SILVER SPOON IN HIS MOUTH, BOOB.
WHY IS CONDOLEEZA RICE TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO DO ABOUT IRAN?
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAS A HISTORY OF DOING WHAT EVER IT WANTS, EVEN IF IT MAKES EVERYTHING WORSE THAN IT WAS IF THEY HADN'T DONE ANYTHING AT ALL.
IS CONDALEEZA RICE ASKING FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR IS SHE JUST TRYING TO TELL US HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO BE LIKE IT OR NOT?
Hey Benji, DumpW,dk2, Dawnie, all good Dems,
You know Benji, i heard he was born with a silver foot in his mouth....just like his "read my lips" dad....
SINCE THE FIRST DAY CONDALEEZA RICE WAS IN OFFICE...
SHE HAS NOT SAID ONE THING ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST THAT EVER TURNED OUT RIGHT.
EVERYTHING SHE HAS SUPPORTED ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST HAS BEEN A DISASTER.
They say music can soothe the savage soul. With Republicans a brick upside the head is much quicker.
I think I'm just kidding. :)
And Condi with her team of "Vulcans" taught w foreign policy....
IT WILL TAKE GENERATIONS OF AMERICANS FOR THE REPUBLICANS TO EVER LIVE DOWN THE IDIOTIC DECISIONS THIS REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION AND ITS REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WITH ITS REPUBLICAN SUPREME COURT HAS MADE IN THE PAST SIX YEARS.
FWIW, I don't believe anyone else on this blog would compare your rants to the Turner Diaries. They would be wrong. Posted by BlueinIdaho on May 31, 2006 at 03:01 PM
Sometime back "Driftwood" stated "Down here in Texas we kicked the Mexican's ass's once, and we'll do it again!" I took that as a subtle call for an "Ethnic cleansing war" just like the one advocated in the Turner Diaries" Now in addition to that, we got these guys talking about "A coming 'showdown' between Christianity and Islam". I call 'em as I see 'em.
ANYONE EITHER BRAVE ENOUGH OR STUPID ENOUGH TO CALL HIMSELF/HERSELF A REPUBLICAN IS A...
...............SUCKER.................
Good Evening Friends and Neighbors,
What is more damaging to the security of Americans, American Veterans and families?
1) Bush administration telling US the people at the VA lost almost 30 million personal information and will not do anything to secure the welfare of these people. The policy is to have American that became victims of identity thieft check their own accounts for improper use and report it to the Bush administration. Basically the bush administration is going to victimize the American Veterans for the secound time.
2) Bush administrations boarder security policy or lack of.
3) Whore and hookers at Defense department and CIA contract negotiations.
4) Bush administrations National Pandemic Flu policy, "America you are screwed and on your own!"
5) Bush administrations coordinated lie about shortage of gas and oil supply is causing price hikes at the pump the same week the government released data to show there is excess gas in inventory.
6) Republican support to cut spending on security this week at the same time this administration support tax cut to the top 5% of americans and a bridge to no where.
7) FEMA mobile home was a $280 million dollar junk yard. These will go on fire sale for those religious nut cases who claimed it was promised to them by bush and not for victims of Katrina and Rita.
8) FEMA driving around with ice on the highway to no where. This used up the inventory of truck drivers and supplies of ice in the country and cost the American public $200 million.
9) $46 trillion dollar debt
Trillions dollar debt in social security up 20-30% since bush is in office, increase in Medicare deficit spending and unfunded mandates, foriegn debt. All of these are up 20-30-40% since bush got into office.
10) Export of jobs out of this country by the bush administration and pug congress.
So, how do these issue compare with lying about President Carter and Clinton? Is this the national agenda for the republican party to slam former presidents and not do the work the public is demanding?
Is this the national agenda for the republican party to slam former presidents and not do the work the public is demanding?
Posted by HybridFuel on May 31, 2006 at 10:16 PM
uhhh, yes?
I love Conyers, too. He reminds me on one of my uncles. But he doesn't have the power to stop them right now.
Posted by SandyH on May 31, 2006 at 10:49 AM
Senselessbrainer has not permitted the minority caucus of the Senate Judiciary committee to bring one thing to the floor. He just unplugs the mike and turns out the lights. FYI, putting ANY faith in that fat pig is worse than trusting Hastart.
The librarians spoke out. That is how we knew what they were doing in the first place. NO ONE paid a bit of attention to the story last night. I made that point once and I'll make it again. We lost our freedom a long time ago, Sandy.
As for when the sh*t comes down, which it probably will, who do you think the POLICE will protect? The poor?
This election is critical. I will wait until November to unravel. I will hope and continue to work my tail off to GOTV and organize. We have another club and another fundraiser coming up.
If they vote for reThugs again, I don't know what I'll do.
Domingo
Try seeing with your eyes open. Texas did defeat the Mexican army (Gen. Santa Anna) at San Jacinto in 1835. After the outright murder of civilians, Santa Anna, in exchange for his life, signed over Texas and it became a republic.
The quote you reference was if the La Reconquista movement moved ahead with their agenda of repatriating Texas, NM, Arizona, California, Nevada, and Colorado back into the country of Mexico. After all, if such a large percentage of Mexican nationals are coming here because of repression by the government then why would we wish to become part of Mexico?
Once again I will state, we support legal immigration while opposing illegal immigration. The cost for your agenda will remove badly needed funding for elderly and poor Americans and give it to illegal immigrants. You support amnesty for SS fraud and could seem to care less about whether your agenda is sustainable.
It was not Driftwood or the gang who started the talk about "A coming 'showdown' between Christianity and Islam"
It was Osmama bin Laden, Al-Queeda, and the religious right who proclaimed the coming show down.
And quite frankly, I could care less whether you like my opinion or not. At least I look at the issue from a pragmatic viewpoint while you choose blind emotion void of reality.
THE REPUBLICANS THINK THEY CAN GET AMERICA TO FORGET ABOUT HOW PHUCKED UP THE MIDDLE EAST BY SELLING THE IMMIGRATION CARD.
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TRIED TO REFOCUS AMERICA ON THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE.
ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE IN A TIME OF WAR MUST BE RETARDED.
WHO CARES WHO GETS MARRIED TO WHO WHEN THERE IS A WAR THAT THE REPUBLICANS STARTED IN IRAQ AND THERE ARE DAILY OCCURENCES OF TERRORIST KILLINGS.
THE REASON WHY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS AGREEING TO TALKS WITH IRAN IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
THEY PUT AMERICA IN THIS POSITION AND AMERICA'S CHILDREN ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
o for the love of Pete...Bruno and Domingo
give your freakin' ragin' hormones a rest and fight the other guys and not each other! this is a very unpleasant and pointless exercise.
we lost the A-team a long time ago because of the crapfest such as this developing here tonight.
this looks more like Freeper village than our beloved blog.
take a moment, a deep breath and redirect, please.
you are all much too intelligent...
I saw DeeDee on with Chris M.. I think it was wrong for Chris to express his opinion the democrats do not have a policy on Iraq.
Chris,
Do you remember who you voted into office?
Do you know who is running the white house?
Do you know who is running the senate?
Do you know who is running the house?
Do you know who is running the justice?
And you say Democrat have no effective policy?
The most rediculus argument by the republican is to suggest the democrats do not have a plan.
That's like suggesting the pedestrians on the side walk two blocks away had anything to do with a drunk on the freeway speeding and causing an accident.
Well, mister pedestrian, you have no idea on how to stop the car from getting into an accident!
No kidding, dumb idiot, we were two blocks away and not driving the car!!!
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 10:24 PM
alright no more caps.
Benji,
Just so you know--I have never complained to the moderator and I've been here a long time. Not from the beginning, but almost as long as Jen.
I'm going to give it a few, and then I'm going to email Tracy. Stop the shouting. Take your meds. Whatever.
Thank you, Benji. I appreciate it.
We have a purpose here. I like it when you focus on that--very much!
Hi, everyone.
Dawn,
I've been thinking about your earlier question. I think it couldn't get any worse than the civil war.
We visited the Lincoln Library and Museum last week. There was this map that showed the progress of the war and the number of dead mounting. It went on and on; battle after battle. One side would gain ground and then lose it. It was horrible to see graphicly the futility of all that killing...the numbers growing into the hundreds of thousands.
Sherman's push to the sea almost made me cry. The Confedertes didn't have a chance as you saw the South cut in half. You could almost feel their heart break.
I come from a border state, Missouri. We had a few battles but nothing like what went on over and over again along that dividing line. No wonder there is still resentment in some places....and pride. The South didn't lose; they just couldn't take it any longer. It could have just as easily been the North that surrendered. No wonder Lincoln almost went mad.
We all lost something when that war ended. You'd think after such a brutal lesson in man's inhumanity towards man, all future American presidents would have more respect for the lives and fortunes of their troops.
To start a war knowing full well that it is for some other reason than abject survival after an attack by a distinct agressor is a sin that no god will easily forgive. Bush could have at least attacked the right country and spared the civilians this continuing occupation.
Why can't we let this thing go and let those people decide their own fate? Just to save face after being proven wrong about the WMD, we continue to make a bad situation worse?
Einstein said it best: Stupidity is making the same mistake over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
Elective wars? What next? Elective suicide in Iran? We already did that once...on our own soil.
About that post of the anti-Bush writing on a gas pump and that post by dogbroke this morning, here's an article I read in the paper yesterday. The part that made me hesitate was were it said San Diego had the Highest Gas Prices in the country. I'm going down there in a few weeks. BTW, Bush is causing these high gas prices with all this sabre rattling against Iran. He freaking out the oil traders, and I think he knows it.
As gas prices rise, so do tempers.
Gas station clerks may be bearing the brunt of drivers' frustrations.
LOS ANGELES – Tempers are rising along with gas prices. Gas stations across the country report that drivers are taking out their gas rage against big oil by yelling at clerks and cashiers and sometimes driving off without paying.
"Everyone is suffering at the same time," said Sam Shirazie, a clerk at a Chevron station east of downtown Los Angeles.
Steve Grosse is trying humor to defuse tempers. At his Shell station in Manhattan Beach, he replaced the price of gas with the words "arm," "leg" and "first born."
In Los Angeles, Chevron station co-owner Anthony Sinai has started giving free sodas to customers who pump $20 worth of gas. He wants to avoid a repeat of an incident last year when an upset customer threw a cup of coffee at a female clerk and knocked over display items.
Police in Los Angeles and San Diego - the city with the highest gas prices in the nation - haven't noticed any violent trends toward gas station workers.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/state/article_1160897.php
WHO CARES WHO GETS MARRIED TO WHO WHEN THERE IS A WAR THAT THE REPUBLICANS STARTED IN IRAQ AND THERE ARE DAILY OCCURENCES OF TERRORIST KILLINGS.
Posted by Benji on May 31, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Who cares who marries who anyway?
the republicans have no policy on iraq.
the republicans are incompetent about the middle east in general, with the least amount of competence regarding iraq.
Hey Ya'll,
I'm sorry you may have missed Larry King earlier. The Dixie Chicks were on! They said it was a live show but I'm not sure if it was a rerun of a LIVE show or not. It was Grrrrrreat!
It must have been new cuz they were talking about their latest album being number ONE!! And aside from the BOOB Toby (wussy) Keith and Reba Macncheese the rest of the country is behind the Chicks in a big old way!!!
It almost had me in tears with all the positive call ins. My MOM even stayed up and watched it. I had to give her a quick run down of what exactly happened with Natalie but I couldn't pull myself away to alert you all to watch it. I'm really sorry! Maybe it will be on a rerun later?
Anyway it was really inspiring! I love the CHICKS!! I'm gonna buy the CD! And I haven't bought a CD in a decade!! (or close) I usually do MP3s or radio. That's got to mean something!
:-D
Righteous Dudettes!
I think it was wrong for Chris to express his opinion the democrats do not have a policy on Iraq.
Posted by HybridFuel on May 31, 2006 at 10:28 PM
I'm pretty sure most of us think it's wrong for Chris Matthews to express any opinion whatsoever, given his penchant for being a hardballless wonder.
Okay, now I have a proposal for the creative among us. The reThugs have been sending bricks to their congressional representatives to let them know they want border security.
Anyone want to brainstorm on what we could do to make a statement? Do you remember when MyDD asked people to send Helen Thomas roses? or when we sent roses to Barbara Boxer?
Just something to consider, as a way to show unity. There's a concept for Democrats, huh--UNITY! Only not roses...something else. Something, something....
any ideas?
Yeah, Dawnie...saw the Chicks. Speaking of marriage....can I please marry them? Pretty please? I really mean all three of them. :D
the republicans are complete losers when it comes to iraq.
they are just too proud and arrogant to admit to their mistakes.
now that they have completely lost all crediblity throughout the planet...
the republicans are saying they will talk with iran because they have used up all of their political clout...
and the swagger never lived up to the hype.
So chris,
You are telling me the rich educated republicans are in trouble because they are incompetent in running the nation and you want to ask a bunch of blue collar labor working democrats how to solve the nations problems because the republicans are bankrupt of ideas? Is this effectively what you are asking of the democrats?
The richest, most well educated, previlaged republicans are bankrupt of ideas and chris wants ideas from blue collar democrats on how to solve the international crisis, Iraq, Mexico, Iran, North Korea, etc..
Chris Mathews, please vote "Democrat" if you want blue collar workers ideas on how to fix these issues. We are the true americans and will always put the nation before private interest.
i can't believe how many stupid republicans there really are.
republicans can't figure it out.
they need a texas snake oil salesman with a bible in one hand and an m-16 in the other to convince them that voting republican is in some way not synonomous with ignorant and brainwashed.
Posted by SandyH on May 31, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Sandy,
Good post. What we have effectively done is to create a civil war in Iraq. I remember telling my brother and my dad that it was inevitable. Now Afghanistan is headed for the same thing. The Taliban is back and mad as hell. Jihad is something we cannot comprehend. Our culture, our lifestyle make us totally unprepared to face the consequences and meet their level of commitment.
And you're right. I lived in the deep south for over twenty years. It is not forgiven.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 10:22 PM
I can't argue with you on that one. I'd take Conyers any day over Sennenbrener. Let's make sure he gets control of that committee when we take back Congress.
fade, I've come to the conclusion that life is just a battle for most men. They don't even care who wins. Better a war of words than the actual deed?
Snap out of it, guys. Give it a rest. I'm sick of thinking about war and rumors of war and talking about war. Make peace and be done with it.
Good night.
Righteous Dudettes!
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 10:32 PM
Indeed. They played a Vote for Change concert at the Fox Theatre in St. Louis with James Taylor. It was breathtakingly beautiful.
Have you seen the Time magazine piece on them. He writes that Natalie was born with her middle finger up--@sshole! I am so glad they're number one!!
o for the love of Pete...Bruno and Domingo, give your freakin' ragin' hormones a rest and fight the other guys and not each other! this is a very unpleasant and pointless exercise. Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 10:27 PM
Sorry fade2bluz, a fellow's got to answer the lies.
The cost for your agenda will remove badly needed funding for elderly and poor Americans and give it to illegal immigrants. You support amnesty for SS fraud and could seem to care less about whether your agenda is sustainable. Posted by Bruno
Want to explain to me how you "know" so much about what "my agenda" is and what "I support". You some kind of a mind reader or something?
Speaking of unity, fade...does this look like a list of issues you think we should be more concerned with than gun control, gay marriage, etc.?
In our opinion, Crucial Issues include: Global terrorism, our national debt, our dependence on foreign oil, the emergence of India and China as strategic competitors and/or allies, nuclear proliferation, global climate change, the corruption of Washington’s lobbying system, the education of our young, the health care of all, and the disappearance of the American Dream for so many of our people.
Posted by HybridFuel on May 31, 2006 at 10:28 PM
agree
Sandy - I thought for quite a while that this country might split down the middle over this RED BLUE thing. Soooo glad it's finally changing!
Benji - I SCREAM SOMETIMES TOO!!!!! :-]
Domingo - I understand what you are talking about. I appreciate your posts. Regardless of what others may say. I LIKE a passionate believer in all things. Even though I guess you can get rough. Bruno calls you names. That always infuriates me. It's childish. You may infer something but so freaking what????
at least you don't go grab some FAKE name and come back here to badger and harass! (like some do) and you don't act all prissy either. Which I personally appreciate.
I don't always agree with you but I don't have to. And you've never asked me to. Thanks.
Everyone,
I think it is time to turn that statement into an asset,
When republicans ask democrats for ideas on how to solve the Iraq or National Security issue;
Ask them if this is an admission the weathest, most well educated, privilaged religious right is completely bankrupt of ideas and need the blue collar democrats to solve the problems.
Just ask them to vote "Democrat", we have historically solve all the problems and we will solve them again. Our ideas are our ideas, vote us into office and we will fix it.
It's nice of the republicans to admit they cannot met the expectations of their bragging; as a blue collar democrat, we are not as well educated, we are not as wealthy; but we solve problems. It's very comforting the republicans admitting to over bragging and is bankrupt of ideas and incompetent to run the government.
Thank you for your admission and vote of confidence, VOTE DEMOCRAT"!
Posted by Domingo on May 31, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Thanx, Domingo. Amazing that there will be a new category of "gas price rage" and what is very scary--people don't realize who gets rich off these prices.
I'm an old woman and I've always preferred non-fiction, did without television most of my life. My choice. Therefore, I am never fully prepared to accept how little folks know about the things that really matter.
We had discussions about politics at the dinner table when I was a kid. I never knew how fortunate I was. I do, now.
evenin' all...was busy readin' the "Dear Mr President" thread and postin'
great to be here in the blog of the free...hey fade, ya sound up beat! yahooooooo.
Posted by Domingo on May 31, 2006 at 10:43 PM
It's okay, honey. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. You know I love ya!
LMAO
Okay, now I have a proposal for the creative among us. The reThugs have been sending bricks to their congressional representatives to let them know they want border security.
Anyone want to brainstorm on what we could do to make a statement?
Maybe Pork Barrels or send them birth certificates with a bill attached. Write on the Bill (indicating the massive debts they rang up) STOP THE INSANITY
My advice to anyone who encounter a pug question on how to solve....
Just tell them, "Thank you for admitting the wealthest, well educated, religious right republicans are bankrupt of ideas and are incompetent in running the government. Thank you for your confidence in me to ask for a solution. Please vote Democrat and we will solve the problem."
As the pugs will tell you time and again,"The president do not have to explain his decisions. He is the "Decider."
Stop asking for the blue collared democrat's answers to your problem. Crying on our shoulders is not a leadership skill.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 10:42 PM
I saw them on MTV I think with James Taylor.
They have a haunting harmony together. I've always felt that way but now that they are standing up politically, can't help but love them more.
the republicans are saying they will talk with iran because they have used up all of their political clout...
Benji,
they'll need a credit card. and, conniving condi is a real fraud too. she knew that an offer to iran with conditions would be rejected. there was no diplomacy there. this is a diversion to keep the crap from iraq from spilling from the front pages onto the back pages, including the editorials. and overseas, the iranian leader is not the perceived boogie man...you get one guess who it is.
Dawnie, to tell you the truth, I really don't give a rat's @$$ what names he calls me, I don't like him passing himself off as an expert on what "my agenda" is and what "I support" and all the while everything he accuses me of is lies he just made up out of thin air. And you know, I remember when Sally/Steve under one of his names told you to "go spread your legs and screw some wetback like your mother did nine months before you were born", and people bitched because I stuck up for you and exchanged words with him over that. I think a few folks around here have their priorities mixed up.
Everyone should review what the president "The Apologizer" was apologizing about.
1) as bush, “I should not have used words like “Wanted Dead or Alive!” and “Mission Accomplished”
That’s not an apology! That an admission of using the wrong propaganda message and it was a bragging rights that you could not live up to.
So what does everyone think of this Bobby Kennedy article that will be in Rolling Stone tomorrow?
Posted by GregL on May 31, 2006 at 10:35 PM
as soon as I get me one of those internet diplomas that lets me marry folks, I'll call em up and see if they wanna get hitched (wait they're already married) oops!
seriously? The M word scares me S&^tless.
The people they call ministers these days is really sad. Internet notaries, Internet Preachers, Diplomas from the Internet College of what EVER!!!
I worked for a few Priests in my day. They got their collars the hard way. Years of seminary and building up their "flock" so to speak.
Of which I was never one. Only worked for them. Learned a lot though.
sorry ramblin here........ lateeee!
Dawn,
James Taylor invited them to tour with him after they said the bad thing. It was very political and has been going on for about four years now, I think. Maybe more.
I loved it when Taylor said, "I'm voting for the smart one."
Just something to consider, as a way to show unity.
Curious thing to read, Unity. You looking for unity here at the DNC blog. Are you suggesting that we unite? In what regard?
Murtha speaks from the heart and I certainly did not see any unity from the Democratic Leadership. They left him alone. They fled for the hills, guarding their precious elections.
Hi A1
How are you doin'? I'm about to cash in, but it's always nice to see you.
Posted by Domingo on May 31, 2006 at 11:00 PM
omg I remember that. Thanks again for the defense. The chicks talked a bit about some of the hate mail and threats they got. It seems the hard core right wingers are loose marble NUTS!!
They need to be locked up for the protection of us ALL!! Take away their hoods and capes and roy roger jammies man! LOL
Posted by america1st on May 31, 2006 at 10:57 PM
Yes, let's tell Iran "Hey, we'll negotiate, just as soon as you give us everything we want...What do you mean there would be nothing left to negotiate about then? There's still which shades of red, white and blue to use to redo your flag!"
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 31, 2006 at 11:06 PM
very true!!! They don't seem to want to support X service men or women when push comes to shove.
Lizzy,
I should think you know full well that the roots grow in the ground. Under the ground. I don't need any leader to tell me what's important to me. They have their priorities and I understand why they are reluctant to speak out. I don't agree, but nothing I say here will change that.
Are you saying the war is the issue that is most important to you? For Fred, it was the price of gas. Survival, now. The immigration bricks can certainly be trumped by the creative Democratic underground of the blogosphere.
Then again, maybe not. Maybe I'll just do another freeway blogger sign.
Bruno has left the building for tonight. That leaves just little ole me to defend the integrity of the Driftwood gang (I like that title).
Dawnie – Bruno has the right to set the record straight. Domingo has called us many names (racist, bigot, etc.) yet you critize Bruno and pretend Domingo did nothing to provoke. Where’s the justice in that?
I would like to change the course for now.
Pledge to Resist
fade,
cashing out while you're upbeat...sounds like sum winnin' hand... ok, well let me ante up to this blog...what'cha all playing? 21? 21 more wars before kingbush is impeached? 5 card stud (bush, cheney, rum, rove, and wanna be condi)...
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 11:12 PM
I agree there's nothing you personally can probably do about it but the way you just give IN TO THEM sounds dreadfully like you are pandering
please tell me you are not?
there's not any excuse for not being TRUE to your beliefs! Which is probably why W won twice. Cuz at the very very least he stuck up for himself.
AS evil as he is. HE wasn't afraid to say - touch chit!
too bad his agenda and intelligence was OFF the mark (way off)
They don't seem to want to support X service men or women when push comes to shove.
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 11:12 PM
The Veterans Report from Bureau of Labor Statistics came out today, detailing employment statistics on vets. Interestingly, all vets except 18-24 year olds have lower unemployment rates than the population at large. It's an intersting report. I read it for work, but I'll link it if you're interested.
Dawn,
W did not get "elected" because he was honest, true or noble. He is a puppet with words piped in through a wire into his ear. He is an idiot.
While we would love to see our Democrats kick ass (and mine--Durbin and Obama do!) it is sheer foolhardiness to think that there is anything more important than getting our majority in the Congress.
Then, we fight. Then, we clean house and get the DINOs outta there. But there has never been a time in my over fifty years when we needed party unity the way we do now. Never.
Posted by ---------------------- on May 31, 2006 at 11:14 PM
I am not at all used to conversations that are held in TRIO! Are your ideas so weak that you need constant back up? I think that's (forget it I won't call names)
When you come here to be a speaker for you SELF w/out needing company .. we'll talk.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 11:20 PM
Fade I know what he IS
but the way he presented himself to the public was (of course a lie) but he was ....... ok call it stubborn then........ it just appeared that he was positive in what he SAID he felt.
I never bought it but the GP did. That's all I was saying. THE DLC panders and coddles......... that's my impression of them. ONly my impression. I think they are all rich power junkies playing some big old game of chance and not often concerned with us little guys.
but of course they do care 100 times more than ANY pug. Still I'm not giving them any awards. They don't KNOW how to defend their OWN like they should.
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 31, 2006 at 11:06 PM
Only Murtha can do what he is doing. He is the most Hawkish Democrat on the Hill. He is an old, experienced statesman. He is a Marine.
Know the enemy.
FOR CALIFORNIA, POETIC JUSTICE
POWER FAILURE:
Enron bosses convicted but still off the hook for fleecing state.
Enron's well-documented rigging of California electricity prices during the worst of the energy crisis was never a factor during Lay's and Skilling's trial, which resulted Thursday in a raft of convictions on fraud and conspiracy charges.
Instead, prosecutors focused exclusively on the financial misdeeds -- the offshore accounts and cooked books -- that caused the collapse of what was once the nation's seventh-largest company. Thousands of employees lost their life's savings and creditors were left scrambling to collect pennies for every dollar owed.
"I would vastly prefer that they were convicted for their crimes in California," said former Gov. Gray Davis, who was handed his hat by California voters in the 2003 recall election largely because of the energy crisis. "But I take solace that they'll be going to jail for a long time."
Remember "Death Star"? That was Enron's name for a program in which the company billed Californians to relieve congestion on the power grid during threats of blackouts. In reality, there wasn't any congestion, and Enron wasn't providing any relief.
Another memo outlined Enron's "Fat Boy" strategy, by which the company's traders bought electricity in California during the worst of the state's shortages and sold it elsewhere for more than they could have under California's price caps.
And who could forget "Ricochet"? That was the name Enron gave to its system of buying juice in California, selling it outside the state, buying it back and then reselling it to California at huge markups to the original price.
escort Lay to an 8-by-10 cell that he could share with a tattooed dude who says, 'Hi, my name is Spike, honey.' "
Somebody let Spike know. His cellmate's on the way.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/05/26/MNGETJ2Q151.DTL
Are you saying the war is the issue that is most important to you?
YES!
We got boys dying over their and for what? Lies and oil.
We got boys shooting innocent civilians and why? Because they are doing 2 or 3 tours and they have seen their buddies killed by IED's.
DawnieI am not at all used to conversations that are held in TRIO! Are your ideas so weak that you need constant back up? I think that's (forget it I won't call names) When you come here to be a speaker for you SELF w/out needing company .. we'll talk.
I'm not sure what you mean. Wouldn't you consider your defense of Domingo (right or wrong) a "conversation held in trio?" As for "weak" I will respectfully disagree.
I guess you didn't like the Pledge to Resist as a way to move past this.
The Veterans Report from Bureau of Labor Statistics came out today, detailing employment statistics on vets. Interestingly, all vets except 18-24 year olds have lower unemployment rates than the population at large. It's an intersting report. I read it for work, but I'll link it if you're interested.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 11:16 PM
young veterans who get out of the armed forces have a hard time adjusting because...
...there is no one around to give them orders and to tell them what they are supposed to do next.
Only Murtha can do what he is doing. He is the most Hawkish Democrat on the Hill. He is an old, experienced statesman. He is a Marine.
all the more reason to stand beside him.
Does anyone want to discuss, Treasury Sec. Snow leaving his office?
Is bush going to get someone as truthful or is bush policy to lie about,
1) using cash based accounting rather than accural based accounting; therefore the interest on the government borrowing is not taken into account and the deficit spending look smaller. Please not cash based accounting is illegal for corporation in USA that issue bonds or purchase bonds and securities.
2) how are the bushie going to hide $46+ trillion dollars of debt?
Dawnie,
I couldn't agree with you more! The DLC is not what I embrace about the party. The party is the people, and that is what matters to me. We have a lot more power than we exercise.
YOU will be great on the phones. And don't think you need money to make those calls, because you have a sponsor. It's some of the most rewarding work you'll ever do. I talked to some of the most astounding human beings, well into their eighties, using walkers to get to the polls on foot.
They've been Democrats all their lives. So have I. And one minute before I die, I want to switch parties so there will be one less reThuglican left.
Dawnie – Bruno has the right to set the record straight. Domingo has called us many names (racist, bigot, etc.) yet you critize Bruno and pretend Domingo did nothing to provoke. Where’s the justice in that? Posted by ---------------------- on May 31, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Alright, here we go again. Where has "Domingo" called any of you many names like (racist, bigot, etc.)? Prove it, Bub!
He is a Marine.
all the more reason to stand beside him.
liz,
i'm confused here. an absentee-national guard bar stool drunk is conducting this war. and, america is ignoring a marine who experienced war. ever heard of the mirror image? look in the mirro and what should be is the opposite.
all the more reason to stand beside him.
Posted by PeppermintLizzy on May 31, 2006 at 11:28 PM
Have you contacted your represenatives to let them know your views?
Posted by ---------------------- on May 31, 2006 at 11:27 PM
I have not caught up to the blog ......... it's late
I meannnnnnnnnn Domingo and I don't call each other ahead of time and go over what people say and make plans to continue the "agenda" later. I will defend him and vice versa when / if we choose for no other reasons.
I think YOU 2/3 or maybe only ONE in the end have a REAL agenda. Perhaps not. Regardless I'm only stating my point that I don't do a TAG TEAM routine! It's WEAK!
FADE - I meant they don't support X vets running for or standing UP for our side.
It seems to me HOWARD and his crew are the only ones doing that.
I don't get into the money thing. That's always changing.
there has never been a time in my over fifty years when we needed party unity the way we do now. Never.
I absolutely and entirely agree. We must work together or there may be no viable future.
Have you contacted your represenatives to let them know your views?
You bet I have. And Fade, I don't pose the question as an attack on YOU. I just ask it to the blog. Over the weekend there was a great post about what the best strategy would be for the Democrats. I cannot find it right now, but I will and post it.
It stated that the Democrats, mean Senatorial and Congressional needed to focus strictly on the failures both in Iraq and now in Afghanistan.
Domingo
Go back and search you own posts. For starters, attempting to link us to the dogma of the Turner Diaries. During the debates on amnesty you more than once called Driftwood and Tom racist. The list goes on.
I guess when you are void of substance it's hard to remember what you post. But don't worry, everyday Driftwood prints out this blog for a book he's writing to go with a documentary we'll shoot when the election gets closer. You can read and see your own words then.
Dawn,
Military service doesn't make one more qualified to lead--or less. Each case should be judged on its own merit.
Howard hasn't made a lot of antiwar statements lately, has he?
Politics.
Hi Dawn,
I think these guys are working in the same room. Their were times when one guy would state he need to go get the phone and the other replied he did not hear the phone. My thoughts are they are in the same room.
benji,
murtha now! this is not my statement, but a post made a few days ago... a little serious humor wouldn't hurt...maybe monica can be sent to the oval office...then we impeach the king?
Hi tylin--good to see you. I remember when you and A1 were here in the Kerry days, before the thieves did their stuff.
I hope your health is improving.
a "conversation held in trio?"
You Domingo, are a BOLD FACE LIAR. At first I was going to just ignore your post and chalk it up as misguided. But on second thought, Driftwood and I need to call it what it is. Posted by Bruno
Bruno has left the building for tonight. That leaves just little ole me to defend the integrity of the Driftwood gang (I like that title). Posted by ---------------------- on May 31, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Bruno speaks for "Driftwood". --------- speaks for Bruno. "Driftwood" speaks for Tom. And they like to call the rest of us on the blog here "nuts"?
sorry FADE although I appreciate your thinking I'd be great talking to perfect strangers on the phone..... that's absolutely not me.
I love to debate here. I love to read the news here. I have a differing opinion about intrusive calls to people. Same with door knocking.
I would stand up at some demonstration or meeting and talk for hours about a specific democrat or issue I have no fear of public speaking but I don't do intrusive things at doors or on phones and i hate when it happens to me. That's probably why I don't do it to others.
I know I'm a traitor for saying that. Sorry. I know myself, is all. I'd not get past dialing the first number. :-\
Hybrid,
I think they're hackers, too. My machine takes a lot of malicious hits when they're around.
Don't click on any of their links.
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 11:44 PM
You call registered Democrats. They are delighted to hear from you. I have worked phone banks for twenty years and NEVER had anyone get mad and hang up.
You gave up before you even tried? hmmmm
we'll see.
Posted by Domingo on May 31, 2006 at 11:44 PM
exactly and if in fact they ARE at work they (IMO) need to get the heck OFF the net and DO SOME WORK! Unless of course like the one said this IS their work and they are in fact copying everything we say to use LATER!
THEN they should just be SHOT! (that's my opinion on stalkers and predators)
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 11:48 PM
it would depend I guess
You can read and see your own words then.
Can't show 'em to me now, huh? That's what I thought.
I'm being facetious - I'd never literally shoot anyone (I'd have to buy a gun first)
lol kidding
The FCC is going to allow more deregulation of the media. NOT good.
The librarians... is the second headline on Raw Story:
"We could not speak to Congress until after the renewal of the Patriot Act," Said Barbara Bailey, President of Library Connection and one of four plaintiffs in the case.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 11:48 PM
it would depend I guess
Posted by Dawnie on May 31, 2006 at 11:50 PM
oh, once Deb has a little more time to soften you up, you'll be one of the most powerful assets on the team, gurl! i see your abilities. you're a fast learner and you are passionate. we are the party!
tylinCA,
Well, if this does not work politically, I've been told by many friends that US dollar goes a long way in Mexico. I noticed couple of people I knew make the trip to sunny Mexico. The bought a 2600-2800 square ft home made of reinforced adobe for $150,000.00, with 10 ft ceilings, tiled floor, iron gates, modern kitchen and bathroom all custom fitted with ornate tiles. They tell me a $1000.00 for all expenses a month can get you two maids to help with cleaning and cooking around the house, plus everything you ever needed or could eat!
If things gets worse here politically than it might be better to move south onto a gated estate for much less cost of living!
People struggle to live on $1000.00 per month in cities of USA. In Mexico you can live like a king.
I had an engineer who was sent $500.00 to $600.00 a month to Columbian in-laws. They needed the money to build a house needed living expenses some 15 years ago. When he went visited, his in-laws had built two houses, 2500 and 3000 sq ft fully furnished with tiled court yard, fountains and a completely enclosed adobe fenced compound!!!
I'm truly trying to figure out what is it that we are fighting for? The American Way has turned into a bastardized version of "Rip Off American Middle Class!" It a free-for-all!
They may not have the best medical care; but for the kind of money that barely scrape by in the cities for a living can get you people employed to help one around the house, cook, clean, do yard work and remodel around the house. The internet and TV can keep one posted on the bad news. It might be a better way to live and die. Among friends, family and people who truly adores ones presence.
I am tempted!
I'll give you the last word tonight Domingo. Whatever makes you fell good doesn't cause me to feel bad.
Dawnie
We are doing the same on the Repub blog. Three of our staff were hard core Repugs who are seriously disenchanted with the Bush doctrine of promoting global insanity. As Repugs, they too are attacked by their own party for taking Bush to task.
As for work. Production is what we do. Sometimes the ground work is slow and tedious and challenges our own perspectives. The fun part comes when it all starts to come together for the finished product.
We don't bait bloggers for the sake of argument but to to understand how well a position is thoughtout. Having said that, I think I can speak for the Driftwood gang that we appreciate bloggers fighting relentlessly to improve the world for all of us.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 31, 2006 at 11:57 PM
Deb's the best! WE've done lunch twice now. Our 3rd is coming up. That girl is passionate too! We sat for hours dissing W and PUGS at a local Thai place the other day.
It was hilarious! She did most of the talking while I kept putting the fire out in my mouth from the spicey "something" I tried!! OUCH! LOL
Yea she could probably talk me in to something "trouble" lol I think I'm heading to her place in Hot Springs too. That should be interesting but you know FADE I have a bad heart. My passion on line doesn't translate well to real life anymore unfortunately I have to behave.
yea it's hell to get old (never thought that meant 50) but for me it does.
NOT wanting a pity party just saying
Dawnie
Bruno told us he visited your website. According to him you're not old just a spring chicken.
BTW - He said that some of your images were forced size and that if you need help with your images he'll format them as a favor to you.
I understand, Dawnie. You don't have to overdo...just pace yourself and enjoy.
Ask gregg...really. He had fun!
I'm headed for the sack, now. It's been a good one, tonight.
Peaceful rest, y'all.
WillieD: Don't let the twits getcha down, buddy. You have seniority here.
Posted by ---------------------- on June 1, 2006 at 12:07 AM
ok no matter - I'm too tired to debate it any more tonight
I must sleep. I was up way too early and never caught a nap.
Hugs to you all and Have a GREAT night!!!
Peace!
{{Lizzy}} thanks for your defense of Murtha! I personally LOVE THE MAN! regardless!!! some people just get me with hello! heh
This business of claiming that "colored people" are stealing all the Whites folks tax money is a lie started by Ronald Reagan in the early sixties when JFK and LBJ passed the voting rights act and the civil rights act. That's when the Republican backlash started with Goldwater's run in 1964 and Reagan's campaigning on his behalf. Man, they just hated seeing Blacks be given any rights so ever. They've been repeating that line for over forty years now. The truth is Blacks, Hispanics and whatever other group they want to accuse of this are paying their damn money into the system. They're not taking any White folks money, no matter how much they squak about it. They say Hispanics don't pay any taxes (a lie) and cost the govenment a fortune. The fact is, the government takes in 100 times more from them than it spends on them. Do you know what the government do when it gets money that doesn't match up with a valid ID? It keeps it. They say the government took in six billion that way last year. How much do "the Driftwood boys" keep saying they cost in unpaid medical bills? 300 million? They may tell you how they're costing, but they'll never tell you how much they're paying in.
You're right but don't bring it out in the open. They'll call you a racist for calling them racists.LOL
Yep, that's what they're trained to do. When they get called racist, they yell, "No! you're the racist! You are! It's you who's the racist! Not me!", ten times louder. Here an article about how the minute men operate.
For two consecutive Fridays in March, Burciaga says the Minutemen picketed her business, carrying signs calling her a "racist" and "Nazi," shouting at clients, and harassing people by shining flashlights in their faces.
"We're not going to tolerate racists running for political office without them accounting for their racism," says Gilchrist. "More than that, it was her stand against the rule of law. Who wants an anarchist running for City Council where laws are neither respected nor encouraged?"
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/atoz/article_1086349.php
Dixie Chicks Back At Number 1 On Charts(May 31, 2006)--The Dixie Chicks appear to be more popular than the president these days.
President Bush's approval rating has plummeted, but the Chicks are on top of the pop and country charts with their first album since publicly criticizing Bush three years ago.
They did it without the support of country radio, which largely ignored the Dixie Chicks after lead singer Natalie Maines told a London audience in 2003 that the group was ashamed Mr. Bush was from their home state of Texas.
The new album, "Taking the Long Way," took the Number One spot Wednesday on the country albums chart and the Billboard 200 overall chart, which are based on sales rather than radio airplay.
There were 526,000 units sold in its first week.
The new album hit stores May 23. Keith Olbermann found out that O'Reilly sucked up to the Dixie Chicks after he trashed them previously.http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/05/24.html#a8411 In Defense Of The Dixie Chicks - And Responses
posted May 31, 2006 http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_86778.asp
"Due to the local radio stations not playing the Dixie Chicks music, I went out and bought the CD and I plan to never listen to 107.9 and 100.7 or 92.3. again.
I have lived in the South all my life (49 years) and I have never been ashamed of southern folks as I am today. What happened to freedom of speech? How come some people can say whatever they want, but if someone else speaks the truth or what is in their heart they get blacklisted and their life threatened?
So, my solution is to buy CDs and not listen to the one-sided radio stations, which means I won't buy products advertised by their sponsors". I totally agree with that last statement!My all time favorite,Dixie Chicks song, 'Travlin Soldier; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACLxD-LTsUQ&search=dixie%20chicks%20soldier
When Ronald Reagan signed the amnesty bill in 1987, there were over 30 some previsions in the bill, one of which was “employer sanctions”. None of the previsions other than the amnesty was ever put into place. So now, when Junior got up on TV last week he says, “You can’t blame the employers, the immigrants have too good of fake IDs”. He just won’t touch the “poor” employers. “Driftwood” calls the immigrants “dirty, un-educated, and dumb. Now how do people so damn “dumb” fool the greatest technology on earth? The answer is “they don’t”. So now Junior says we need bio-metric IDs to foil the crafty wetbacks, but you know in the end, it’s “really” for us, and the Repug trolls know it. Divide and conquer, that’s how they work. One group at a time. Some years back in California they passed a smog test law, but only for the big city areas of over a certain population size. The small towns and the rural areas have always been jealous of the big cities and were more than happy to “stick it to them”. A year later the “govmit” decided the small towns needed to have smog tests too, and the rural people said “Sure, get those guys too. What do I care? It don’t affect me.” And the big cities said, “Hey! You made us go through this crap, let’s see how you like it”. Then a year later the “govmit” said “OK, time to spread it to the rest of the state”, and the big cities and the small towns said, “Sure, why should it just be us?” See how they played “two against one” each time until they got ‘em all? That’s just what they’re doing now.
BTW, FOS, did you figure out how to do the "hot links" yet? I can try to explain it for you if not. I try to make the explaination shorter than that smog law post. :D
Domingo
Do you know what the government do when it gets money that doesn't match up with a valid ID? It keeps it. They say the government took in six billion that way last year. How much do "the Driftwood boys" keep saying they cost in unpaid medical bills? 300 million? They may tell you how they're costing, but they'll never tell you how much they're paying in.
Do you just make up whatever suits your misimformation campaign?
Maybe you should examine the facts before you spew your misinformed BS.
Center for Immigration Studies
Washington Post
Ilegal Immigration Costs
Standard & Poors
I know you probably won't bother to research the numbers because that's not your style.
Wasn't sure if I should say anything, but ""cutie pie Beinard" is big time DLC. He was the editor for The New Republic magazine, a very DLC mag, very pro-Iraq war, and wanted Joe Lieberman for president in 2004.
Posted by Domingo on June 1, 2006 at 02:42 AM
IMO,
Employers know what they are doing and they know they have a friend in the Whitehouse,who is aiding and abetting the illegal employers!I think there would be very few illegal workers with illegal employers in jail... We don't need to build a wall to stop illegal immigration. Just enforce the law.
"The illegals are here for the jobs. Make it a felony to hire an illegal and start throwing employers behind bars for 5 or 10 years and the practice will stop immediately. The illegal worker can't get hired, they'll go back home.
Once the government starts enforcing the law against illegal employing,the practice will stop. Illegal Immigrants are here for the jobs. Once that practice stops, and they can't get jobs, the illegals will go home"
FOS
Past Due Medical Bills from American Citizens will file them as Illegals to get reimbursed.The high cost of Heath Care makes people lie.I'm origionally from Southern California and I know this for a fact.Seriously, I could get a lot of people in trouble too.
If this is true why do allow cheats to steal your tax money? You have a moral obligation to be a whistleblower. Besides, the government will pay you a percentage of what they collect from cheats. And you are protected from retaliation by federal law.
OK, here's what you do. There's two ways to go about it. After you copy the URL for that web-page, you can just post it by itself by putting the curser where you want to put the link in the comments box, then click on that little chain icon, press control-V, then hit the "enter key". Now, if you really want to get fancy, you can link the web-page to some words or a title, you jusk run the curser over the text you want to link to and high-light it first, then follow all the rest of the steps above.
dianaOnce the government starts enforcing the law against illegal employing,the practice will stop.
Careful diana, Domingo will call you a racist for supporting a strategy that starves illegal immigrants back to the country they came from.
Just a quick drive by. Those Hospitals are actually MAKING money off that so called "free" care.
Chicago area not-for-profit hospitals get three times as much money in tax breaks compared with what they dole out in free health care to poor and uninsured people, an analysis to be unveiled today shows.
As a nationwide debate rages over whether nonprofit hospitals do enough to justify their tax-exempt status, the study by the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability quantifies for the first time what most Cook County hospitals would pay if they were on the tax rolls.
Their finding -- an estimated $326 million in tax breaks -- is too out of whack with the $105 million in free or deeply discounted "charity care" provided by the 21 hospital networks studied, Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan said.
Hospitals fall short on charity: study
diana, it's already a felony to hire an illegal but they won't do anything to the companies that do. And if they do "build a wall to stop illegal immigration", pay for it with fines they collect from the employers caught hiring them illegaly. Why should you are I pay for it? --------- won't ever tell you that, because he just wants to badmouth the "Brown People".
Domingo
--------- won't ever tell you that, because he just wants to badmouth the "Brown People".
You use quotes like this because your debate points won't hold water. I realize it is easier for you to fantize than research the points you try to make.
I have absolutely nothing against any race whatsoever. This is not about race. It is about sustainablity.
DPD, and just think of how much the "slum lords" are making renting them crappy places to live. ------- won't ever mention that either.
Careful diana, Domingo will call you a racist for supporting a strategy that starves illegal immigrants back to the country they came from.
Posted by ---------------------- on June 1, 2006 at 03:30 AM
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I think we should fine the country they came from.They are benefitting the most by pimping their citizens.That should be a crime just like sending drugs here.They are using us.As far as the poor immigrants go.We should charge their government for their citizens room and board.I believe they are one of the richest economies in the world.That is what is most crimminal! They should be held accountable for their citizens starving! How much charity do they give their own citizens?I think it should be an international law not to use and abuse one's own citizens. They are a corporate state with the wealthiest people in the world as the CEOs,while most of their citizens are starving. Do you want this country to be just like them? That's what we are headed for without a middle class.
FOSHell, everyone with a real username.LOl!
- is a key on your keyboard just like other alpha/numeric characters. You should not discriminate against keys that are often overlooked. :)
diana, Mexican President Vicente Fox says "walls" will never work. At the rate we're building one, it'll take a hundred years to finish it anyway. Cheap-labor Republicans don't really want it completed anyhow.
SACRAMENTO — Mexican President Vicente Fox said Thursday that border walls and aggressive policing by themselves won't stop illegal immigration, while pledging that his government would create enough jobs that people won't want to flee to the United States.
Speaking at a joint session of the California Legislature at a time when immigration issues have riveted much of the U.S., Fox said the two nations need to enact "comprehensive reform" and work cooperatively to gain better control of the border.
LA Times
Domingo
I see you haven't bothered to review the links to actual costs I posted a few minutes ago. I don't fully understand your reluctance to be objective, but I guess you have your reasons.
Anyway, I've finished my work for the night so I'm going home. Now you have a free rein to diss the Driftwood Gang behind our backs.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForProgressiveDemocraticMajority on June 1, 2006 at 03:48 AM
Link worked!
FOS - I'll answer your questions before I go.
Q. What do you think will happen to you "personally" if these people become citizens?
A. Not a whole lot. I'm fairly well off with a good paying job. Who will be hurt are the elderly and poor citizens as the insufficent Tax revenues going to their care will be split among millions more.
q. What is your age?
35
q. What is your race?
Mixed - Lipan Apache & Scottish
4.) What is your Political Party affiliation?
Democrat my whole adult life.
provide the illegals that are already here with a path to citizenship,and deport any illegals that sneaks into the country after the date that borders are were secure.
That's what they said they were going to do twenty years ago. They said, "OK, that's it. We'll let the ones already here stay, no more by golly!" Now twenty years later they're doing the same thing, and they'll repeat it again twenty years from now, and again twenty years after that. The big money "powers that be" don't ever want it to stop, so it never will. As long as guys like ------- won't call for the fines and arrests of the employers, nothing will change.
Vicente Fox while pledging that his government would create enough jobs that people won't want to flee to the United States.Posted by Domingo on June 1, 2006 at 03:57 AM
oh yeah,his government makes a fortune from pimping his own citizens to the US.
Vicente Faux should start to take care of his own citizens and patrolling his own border. This issue is just a BIG smokesreen,I can't post any more.When I have a Migraine spelling and my brain go,I usually just try amd read your posts which I think are very thoughtful and intelligent.I'm here a lot sometimes cheering DNCers on. 'Immigration's Fifteen Minutes: Why Now? http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=051806H
Mixed - Lipan Apache & Scottish
Now I KNOW this is the same guy. Every one of these names says he's "Mixed - Lipan Apache & Scottish". The only thing I want to know is, how the hell is this fool able to spend 18 hours a day blogging here? Of course Sall/Steve used to do that by taking "cat-naps" and getting up every couple of hours to get sassy with people all night long.
Mixed - Lipan Apache & Scottish
Now I KNOW this is the same guy. Every one of these names says he's "Mixed - Lipan Apache & Scottish". The only thing I want to know is, how the hell is this fool able to spend 18 hours a day blogging here? Of course Sally/Steve used to do that by taking "cat-naps" and getting up every couple of hours to get sassy with people all night long.
Posted by diana on June 1, 2006 at 04:22 AM
diana, yeah, that's some more BS they told us about NAFTA, that it "would make so many jobs in Mexico that they won't come here anymore". It just made the rich, richer, and made thing worse. Everything they tell us is going to stop it never does. But they still keep lying.
See, one thing the guy with all these "Driftwood" related names does not understand is, if you take away all "The Brown people's" rights away, all that does is make the employers want to hire them all the more. It makes the problem worse, not better, because believe me, those employers will get 'em, by hook or by crook, even if they have to ship 'em all the way from China. Take the profit motive away by not letting the employers exploit them, threaten them with fines (and jail time if they keep doing it) and that and ONLY that will end it.
FOS, I saw this show on PBS called American Experience about "the Freedmen" after the civil war, and what they said was the free non-slave owning Irish and Scottish didn't like the idea of these new workers competing with them in the work place and "taking away their jobs". See, a lot of the slaves had skills, like barber, tailor, butcher, cooks and so on and when they were freed they went out and got jobs "in the real world". Well these white trash didn't like that at all and they were the main ones who joined the Klu Klux Klan. They went through a lot of work to "terrorize" the "freedmen" back to the plantation.
Domingo I see you haven't bothered to review the links to actual costs I posted a few minutes ago. I don't fully understand your reluctance to be objective, but I guess you have your reasons.
Yeah, I got my reasons. Every link you (or you guys) put up comes from a Right Wing site. Now why is that "Democrat since 1972"?
The Seminoles didn’t start out as an original tribe. It was created by Indian renegades from various tribes and runaway slaves who hid out in the Florida swamps.
{{FOS}}
Woke up with a nasty headache but glad to catch you online. Are you familiar with the Melungeons? I've been doing some genealogy the last few years and have made some wonderful discoveries. (We might be distant cousins, you and me ;-)
There are many of us who's ancestors were made citizens of this nation "BEFORE" the racist English drafted the 14th Ammendment.
And then you've got suckers like this San Alito who's parents only got here 70 - 80 years ago wanting to jump in front of people like you, (who's people have been here two, three, as many as four hundred years) joining outfits like CAP, Concerned Alumni of Princeton, to "keep out Woman and Blacks". Ain't that a bitch?
Morning RedLetter_Rev. Never heard of the Melungeons before myself. I know about Western tribes the most.
That's almost as bad as the "life long" democrat who kept telling everyone to listen to Lou Dobbs, a "stauch" Republican.
And "They" keep saying they go over to RNC blog "for trolling". I think here is where they're doing the trolling.
Another show I saw on PBS one time was how slavery got started in the English colonies, they didn't have it at first, well they got ahold of some blacks from Spanish and Portugese ships they raided, and when they got back with them they put into "indentured servitude" just like a lot of the poor Whites had to sign themselves up for to work off their debts. It was usually for seven years. One day, two white guys together with one black, they were all friends who worked at the same place, decided to run away. Well, they got caught, and when they went before the judge, the judge gave the two white guys another seven years apiece, and then he gave the black dude "servitude for life". True story. It's the first know case of slavery in the English colonies. A brother couldn't catch a break even then.
Hey William, LTNS,
I'm just finding out about them, myself. The Melungeons are a group of people, now largely Appalachian, that were brought to America by Spain before the English got here. Spain went around gathering up "undesirables" like Jews, Africans, non-Catholics and put them in boats bound for the new world to establish colonies to get the jump on the British. This would have been the early 1500's.
In short, Spain plunked these people in the new world with short supplies and said, "Live, damn you, somehow. We don't much care; you're not among us now."
They intermarried with the Natives some and have passed down a list of common traits... like I've got the big front teeth, head-bump and a rather olive complexion for someone whose ancestry is largely Dutch/German/Scot/Irish. (I'm a tapestry of Americana LOL). The terms "Black Irish" and "Black Cherokee" were used to describe these people when they may not have had a whole lot of either black, Cherokee, or Irish in them.
I think if more folks studied their genealogy, they'd find out that they (and most Americans) aren't as "white" as they'd like to think they are. Me, I prefer to think that I contain a rainbow :-)
Alright, I’m going to make like geese and get the flock outta here. I made the trolls “work for it” to put their hate on the blog tonight.
Posted by Domingo on June 1, 2006 at 06:17 AM
It actually goes back to a single Dutch judge who had the option of declaring that the people aboard ship in a particular case were to be considered indentured (path to freedom) or slaves (no hope). One incorrect or imprudent decision and here we are still discussing and living with the ripples.
That's what scares me about the current crop in Congress. With all the hype and distraction, few people are discussing the ramifications. Now, there's a group in Congress who want to abrogate the XIV Amendment. The implications are that anyone could be declared a non-citizen at any point in time for any or no reason. Once the corporate elite have divided everyone else out of citizenship, they'll be the only citizens left.
Just look at the last 3 Congress' legislation. It all points that direction.
I think,we should secure the borders,shut down the companies that hire illegals,provide the illegals that are already here with a path to citizenship,and deport any illegals that sneaks into the country after the date that borders are were secure.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForProgressiveDemocraticMajority on June 1, 2006 at 04:00 AM I agree! In other words inforce the laws that were already on the books. This issue is getting way out of hand, they are talking about making babies born HERE illegal,that would change the Constitution. This issue has turned into discrimination and it is getting very hurtful to some very decent people who want to live in a country that stands for freedom and is meant to be fair and decent. My family came to this country as immigrants and so did most of the rest of us,so why not treat the Illegal Immigrants with decency and respect "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," reads the inscription on New York's Statue of Liberty. We should demand that other countries follow similar ethics.Our anger should not be at the poor immigrants,but the countries that neglected them and the employers that exploit foreign workers at the expense of paying fair wages.Immigrant workers should be paid the same as comparable American workers or the "prevailing wage" for that job, whichever is higher. Everyone should stop making Immigrants the scapegoats of GWB's failed policies. We only have an immigration problem because of GWB's buddies demand for cheap labor. IMO, GWBs idea of supply and demand,is whatever his corporate buddies both domestic and foreign' demand!
I think if more folks studied their genealogy, they'd find out that they (and most Americans) aren't as "white" as they'd like to think they are. Me, I prefer to think that I contain a rainbow :-)
Posted by RedLetter_Rev on June 1, 2006 at 06:25 AM
Thank You, HeeHee, I really like that thought.
Diana,
Not to forget that Congress wants to remove 31 laws that currently make it a crime for corporations to hire illegals. That's how they operate -- hold the super-citizen corporations blameless and put all the pain on the most defenseless. It's not just racist; it's arrogant and unAmerican. They've made it quite clear that whatever citizenship ANY of us thought we had is tenuous at best.
It is so sad! I hope we can change things, by electing someone who is fair,righteous and peace loving.What a difference that would make!
a very funny and true concept from internet weekly report. and good morning neighbors.
monkey buisness
Good morning, y'all. Today Robert Kennedy's article in Rolling Stone should be available. Have fun and maybe give the FCC a jingle, to let them know we think this is a bad idea, again:
FCC plans relaxation of media ownership rules, watchdogs say
John Byrne
Move to allow more consolidation could come as soon as June 15
[Now they have their majority on the FCC.] Keep on truckin', except for our friend who lost his truck. (You're on my mind, buddy.)
G'morning, everyone.
Noe guilty in federal case; ex-coin dealer admits laundering Bush contributions
Posted by dk2 on May 31, 2006 at 05:49 PM
Please forgive!
(that's what I get for going out of town)
I have exciting news I want to share with everyone, but I don't want to put it up on this old thread.
I'll share this instead:
Go speed racer!
Good morning.
My computer is acting strange. It's either a new thread or an earthquake. Catch you all later.
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