Go get 'em, tiger!

While I agree that this movie should be historically accurate I find it amazing that Democrats.com and .org didn't ask the same of Michael Moore when releasing his "Documentary". Seems hipocritical. And then to label my posts as being from a troll because I question your actions. I am certainly NOT a Repub. I would just like to hear other's un-biased opinions about this.

I didnt care for MM's movie
but would you care to point out the historical inaccuracies you allude to?
As for hypocracy
A Disney exec on MM's movie
"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle."

To turn around and then push this mini series which lies about certain Democrats and makes up things that didnt happen is a diservice to the public, victims of 911 and our soldiers who are dying in Iraq

unbiased opinion? not gonna happen
Im not a member of any party,thats about as close to unbiased as your gonna get.

Hmmm any proof?
All i could find is hearsay
this article goes into the lies

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406220008

This just more diversion from the Fascist Pig Bushite Republicans, to get us off message. Our Target is to lable bush for what he is and what propaganda he is selling to the American people, his power must be smashed, and the only way to do it is to Vote OUT the Bushite, Rubberstamp republicans.
Roosevelt said in 1933,
The only thing we have to FEAR, is Fear it's self.

The only real TERROR we have to fear, is the BUSHIT, That is coming out of the Whitehouse this Fall. We got to take his word Terror, and shove it down his throat, and out his ASS.

It is your choice America!
BUSHIT TERRORISM
OR
DEMOCRAT AMERICANISM

From the Washington post in 2001

The Clinton administration struggled to find a way to accept the offer in secret contacts that stretched from a meeting at a Rosslyn hotel on March 3, 1996, to a fax that closed the door on the effort 10 weeks later. Unable to persuade the Saudis to accept bin Laden, and lacking a case to indict him in U.S. courts at the time, the Clinton administration finally gave up on the capture.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A61251-2001Oct2

Kinda hard to take someone if you have no case or legal reason to.

One more lie that persists.
This is why lying for politcal gain shouldnt be tolerated.

Funny post about Governor Dean's trip to Ohio. It shows how pathetic the media can be, and how they are just looking for something to go after him for.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2817299

How can we ask ABC to stand with the truth when we have convicted felons (Berger...what was he trying to hide), maniacs (Dean...believe me, I met him several times in VT...he's a kook), incompetents (Albright...do I have to cite specifics) all striving to protect the rapist pedophile (Clinton). Believe me, this furor we have created, whether ABC shows the show or not, will hurt Dems significantly more than Republicans. We should have kept our mouth shut.

"The American people deserve to know who funded this $40 million dollar slanderous propaganda."

my gut says none other than a nod from karl rove aka an "evil from hell" set this in motion.

Go get em Tiger is right. Show them whose boss Dean. Grrrr.

I find this action to be very disturbing. The over reaction to a film that has yet to be releasled is beyound the pale. Please explain to me the reason that so many dems are raising so much fuss about this and vieling threats. Seems obvious there is such a double standard it's sick. I was raised dem and changed during the Carter years, my grandfather would change at this point and that means turning over in his grave. Please get this organization together, if you can!!!

Good job, Gov. Dean. Go after the money trail.

Put pressure on Scholastic. They were bankrolled by the same people. Bet it leads to a K Street connection.

Wouldn't be surprised if some familiar names pop up....from previous Congressional scandals. Look into Republican "consultants" who worked on the project and their relatives. Former Republican politicans who are current lobbyists are prime suspects. Give their names to the media and watch the zoo begin.

And by all means, call the Disney and Scholastic legal departments. Coporate lawyers do not allow corporate interests to be jeopardized by reckless executives.

Have your lawyers call on a few of those serving on the Boards of Directors of each organization. These people do not want to become household names. They do not want their corporations drug into this.

By the time the President makes his prime time speech Monday, there's going to be a lot of nervous "important" people dodging cameras crews. Let's see how clear the president's message gets across with that media frenzy in high pitch.

To think it took a Mickey Mouse political trick to unite the DLC and the DNC....right before an important election. They aren't use to us fighting back in lock step.

I realize that the sensitivity of the subject is fueling this political furor, but do we,as democrats, want to show an outrage that borders on looking like fear, about a movie? This movie wasn't even screened in its entirety. The 1st half was shown. I don't see how this is different from any other movie, politically based or otherwise, that is "inspired by actual events". Do we have so little faith in our fellow Americans ability to watch a movie and understand that it is just that- a movie? It is not a documentary. Also, as the half that deals with Bush's tenure has not been shown widely, aren't we painting ourselves in a corner if the DNC agrees and applauds that half?
The reality of this tragedy is that , in general, neither the people nor most of our leaders had a real fear of an attack on our own soil. We have had the luxury of the world's violence always being somewhere else. If we continue to fight over all the "coulda, shoulda, would've" from our past, we won't be totally focused on what lies ahead.
As a democrat who prefers to find solutions to our nation's challenges, I am not afraid of a movie. The best thing that could happen is a panel discussion following the movie. Then we could really offer an alternative to the strategy we are stuck with now.

sandyh,

ol' walt must be twitching and jerking in his grave...and i don't blame mikey mouse as he is my childhood hero...this tarnish to disney has the trace of an ok by rove from hell. one can only imagine what ol' walt would do to karl.

Posted by SandyH on September 8, 2006 at 11:46 PM

Hi Sandy,

There's another church group ponied up on this one...and a twist on the McCarthy era where the reds are now so regressive that the John Birch Society looks moderate and infiltrating Hollywood from within is, in the bushwellian doublespeak world, free speech...at the bargain price of $four million.

Why worry? Forty percent of these freakin' morons still believe the bushit about WMD.

Disinformation? Psychological operation?

Hello, is there anybody in there? Forty percent!!!

and right on cue one of the freaky forty comes in and soils the clean pages of the blog.

Hi A1: Walt was no liberal--from Wikipedia

Testimony before Congress

After the 1941 strike of Disney Studio employees, Walt Disney deeply distrusted organized labor. In 1947, during the early years of the Cold War,[1] he testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee, where he branded Herbert Sorrell, David Hilberman and William Pomerance, former animators and labor union organizers, as Communist agitators. (All three men denied the allegations.) Disney implicated the Screen Actors Guild as a Communist front, and charged that the 1941 strike was part of an organized Communist effort to gain influence in Hollywood. Documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that from 1941 until his death, he spied for the FBI on union activity in Hollywood, and illegally intimidated union activists.[3] Since Jews were prominent in the labor movement, some employees felt that Disney's actions were motivated by anti-semitism.[4][5]

A1--Disney on Disney

Asked late in life what he was proudest of, he did not mention smiling children or the promulgation of family values. "The whole damn thing," he snapped, "the fact that I was able to build an organization and hold it." These were not the sentiments of anyone's uncle — except perhaps Scrooge McDuck. And their consequences — many of them unintended and often enough unexplored — persist, subtly but surely affecting the ways we all live, think and dream.

god help me, they're freakin' everywhere...evangelical freaks...did the rethugs learn to do this with the Jim Jones koolaid experiment? it's downright puzzling where they all came from...like mushrooms...

"Path to 9/11" Maker Has Evangelical Ties
By Justin Rood - September 8, 2006, 2:39 PM

The director of ABC's controversial "Path to 9/11" docudrama has ties to an evangelical Christian group whose goals include "transform[ing] Hollywood from the inside out," according to research by readers of prominent blogs.

and

There's no evidence Saddam Hussein had a relationship with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his Al-Qaida associates, according to a Senate report on prewar intelligence on Iraq. Democrats said the report undercuts President Bush's justification for going to war.

The declassified document being released Friday by the Senate Intelligence Committee also explores the role that inaccurate information supplied by the anti-Saddam exile group the Iraqi National Congress had in the march to war.

fade,

ol' walt was no angel...yet rove is worst. ol' walt was an outfront right wing nut... rove is an evil from hell.

fade,

saddam and osama were never one in the same. saddam was caught alone in a rat hole., while osama is still probably hiding in some cave. i never bought they were one in the same. never made sense. they had complete different agendas. we didn't need a senate report to tell us. it only confirms that this faith based divider decider moron president is either very stupid or a bigger lier than first imagined, or both.

Discover the Secret Right-Wing Network Behind ABC's 9/11 Deception

Background info on Horowitz:

Undermining Civil Society
David Horowitz's Corrosive Projects

Remember the name Richard Mellon Scaife. Connect the dots.

Is a "spooky" CULT behind "The Path to 9/11"?

The impetus -- and perhaps the cash -- seems to have come from a bizarre Christian cult called Youth With a Mission (YWAM), founded in the 1960 by Loren Cunningham, father to David Cunningham, the film's director. A fine researcher over at Democratic Underground found a page linked to YWAM which inlcuded a very revealing paragraph:

Starting in July, along with our 'normal' discipleship efforts in YWAM, we will officially join The Film Institute - a new auxiliary branch of Youth With A Mission focused on tranforming film and television from the inside out. TFI's first project is a doozy: simply being referred to as: The Untitled History Project, it is already being called the television event of the decade and not one second has been put to film yet. Talk about great expectations!

The miniseries was called Untitled History Project during production; the production company was called UHP Productions. Tellingly, the web site containing this information went missing the moment "outsiders" discovered it.

YWAM has many of the attributes of a dangerous mind control cult. Not only that: Preliminary web research indicates that YWAM has long had both far-right political ambitions and "spooky" links... more at Cannonfire.

You still dont get it do you?
Had Clinton tried to take Bin Laden the Republican party would of been all over him for violating laws.
Look what they did to him for just lying in court.
We are a nation of laws, you cannot just arrest or detain ANYONE with no just cause.
Sudan offered Bin Laden to Saudia Arabia who had reason/just cause not to the US
Again he was not offered to the US but to Saudi Arabia why because only the Saudi's had a legal right to hold him. Bill tried his best to convince the Saudi's but failed.

Now cut the crap with trying to smear Bill with old lies that even the Bi-Partisan 911 commision found no evidence of.

Why do democrats here on this board seem to spew so much hatred? You're worse than the Rebublicans. Spewing this hatred doesn't get you any converts. All we hear is "Rove,Plame,War, EVIL FROM HELL.. Blahhh". Give us a clear message. Tell us what you will do. Don't just say," Don't vote for that guy because he's evil". Tell us what YOU will do. I realized that I'm no longer a republican. But I don't think I'm a Dem either. You all don't see any faults in your organization. It's just Bush's fault. Wake UP! There are just as many criminals in the Democratic Party as in any other. William Jefferson. Supreme Court Liberals voting to forfeit property for the betterment of towns? Let's not forget what the employees of moveon.org wanted to do with those 30,000 ballots found in the trunk of their cars. Politicians suck! All of them. Dems are no better than the Repubs.

CENSORSHIP IS CENSORSHIP IS CENSORSHIP!

How many of the KKKs views agree with the RepubliKlans? They don't care what you talk about, as long as it isn't Iraq!!!

KARL ROVE IS SMART... IMMITATE HIM BY SPEAKING THE REPUBLIKLANS LANGUAGE!!! AND EVERYONE STAY ON TOPIC!!!

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID: IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ!!!

*WHEN THE DEMOCRATS ARE ELECTED, AMERICA WILL LEAVE IRAQ BECAUSE..

1)IT WILL DECREASE TAXES - by leaving Iraq, America will spend less money, PERIOD!
2)IT WILL STRENTHEN THE DOLLAR - less debt equals more purchasing power for everyone (both the millionaire and for minimum wage!)!
3)IT WILL DECREASE THE DEBT - Spending nothing is better than spending something.
4)WE NEED OUR TROOPS HOME - To help rebuild the Southern Disaster States and Put the National Guard back to guarding our soil.

If the Democrats keep spending precious time defending Clinton against Disney, you will loose. It is time to attack! Who cares if it was Clintons fault. The World Trade Center was destroyed on George W. Bush's watch.

That's not a very good argument " THe WTC was destroyed on Bush's watch". Because they tried to destroy it before on Clinton's watch, Tim McVeigh was on Clinton's watch, So were the USS Cole and 2 Embassies. None of them were Clinton's fault. And neither was 9-11. Nor was it Bush's fault. I agree. Stay focused on Iraq.

To fmrvtdem: Do you know the difference between slander and libel? You might check that out.

So...whoever paid for the ABC/Disney mini-series is a political contributor and subject to limits on political contributions? Is this correct? Plus, they have to register as a lobbying group? Is this correct too? Do they also have to register as a PAC?

To those who find fault with the intense preliminary shouting about this mini-series --- if we hadn't done anything about it, that would have meant that we condoned it. If something is blantantly wrong and no one objects, then we are party to approving it. If we object, then something is wrong. The worst part was that ABC was trying to pass it off as the truth and trying to re-write history in their corporate office.

And, we must remember that the Republican Party at this point in time is a one-issue party: terror. It is the Terror Party.

And the Democratic Party should be the NO-IRAQ Party! You win on one major issue. When the Dems learn that, maybe they can take back Congress and the White House.

And the persons paying for the mini-series would NOT need to register as a political contributor for the monies on the series. Nor be registered as a lobbyist. No register as a PAC. That's just stupid. Does Michael Moore? Of course not. Show me the law on that one RALLY.

As for Clinton... maybe in hindsight (which is always 20/20) he could have done more than to lob a few missiles at the training camps. But he didn't. And nobody objected to it.

OK, so the Disney Co, et al is putting out lying propaganda about 9/11. So what's new? I did the protest thing,sent the message, and I think it's a dirty deal, but this kind of crap has been going on for the last how many years?
Ever since the Republicans got Rush Limbaugh to start badmouthing Democrats in a sucessful attempt to take over the Congress.
Three discussions on the same subject? Come on. Let's get on with the campaign, and the other things that are going on in this country.
In relation to 9/11 and the aftermath, why aren't some other questions being asked/brought out?
Why did Bush stop a sucessful attempt to control the Taliban, and capture Bin Laden to go adventuring off into Iraq for yet to be revealed reasons. Why is Bin Laden no longer on the Bushiato' radar? Why is Afghanistan being allowed to return to violence and terror? What are the real reasons for going into Iraq?
As for that, maybe we need to do a documentary on the lies the Bushiato have told to the first responders at the Twin Towers, and their subsequent denial of and help for the rescue workers health problems? What about the nit-picky goat-rope you have to go through to get on an airplane, but then the Bushies turn around and want to sell out our ports to a questionable Arab company? What about the big fuss over our southern border, but no mention of the northern one where the 9/11 terrorists entered? What about all the no-bid contracts for the war profiteering cronies of the Bushies which are sucking up our tax dollars, and leaving our military personnel with poor support? As for that why are the Bushies destroying our military with their promotion of yes-men, disrespecting the kids who are fighting and dying for this mess with "targeted pay raises", and cutting funding for brain trauma research which has become a number one problem in this war of bombings?
And what on God's green earth are the Republicans doing for the Katrina victims, especially now that they are facing yet another hurricaine season?
This sounds to me like the Republicans are using a red herring for controlling the discussion of the issues in this campaign and the DNC has fallen for it.

Dear Dr. Dean,
You must be kidding... with all the crap that we put out against the republicians... we should not make comments. Please think before you speak... your comments only push us further to the left and hurt our chances of ever becoming in true power again. Most of America will favor a moderate... not some far off leftest.

Just to reply to some out of touch left nut case...

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID: IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ!!!
Do you really believe that that this country and leader was a friend of the US.. Clinton or Bush? Do you really believe not given the chance they would bring harm or aid those who could?
*WHEN THE DEMOCRATS ARE ELECTED, AMERICA WILL LEAVE IRAQ BECAUSE..

1)IT WILL DECREASE TAXES - by leaving Iraq, America will spend less money, PERIOD!
Sure it will... I agree... less spending... or will we replace it with more useless programs?

2)IT WILL STRENTHEN THE DOLLAR - less debt equals more purchasing power for everyone (both the millionaire and for minimum wage!)!
I assume your not a wiz on economics... the debt doesn't weaken or streghnthen the dollar by itself ... it's the overall market conditions of other countries. Look at the EU with "Euro"... can't blame this on bush!

3)IT WILL DECREASE THE DEBT - Spending nothing is better than spending something.
Once again it will be replaced with political BS programs like a bridge in Alaska... going no where!

4)WE NEED OUR TROOPS HOME - To help rebuild the Southern Disaster States and Put the National Guard back to guarding our soil. The only thing that hurt the rebuilding and maybe the actual cause of so much mismangement... was the Democratic governor.

As a moderate Democrat... we must take a serious look and stop with the BS spins. Dean and company is leading us down the tubes. Not all the GOP programs are bad or good... but let's really look at what we can do make this country good again.

In the back of my mind I do believe that the Bush administration doesn't want Osama captured because the "war" would be over and what would they have left? Create up new enemies?

I find it very suspicious that Saddam was found hiding in a "spider hole" and when removed appeared drugged. Makes me feel like he was put there to be "captured."

Keep in mind, W's dad George HW Bush created both these maniacs: Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.

I would also like to say the following:

The Democratic party doesn't appear to have a message other than Iraq at the moment.

This morning I read an article that Of the 50 chemical factories being built world wide this year, only ONE is being built in the US... the other 49 in China.

Also, in a few years colleges will be 60% female and 40% male students.

I believe the current administration is advocating, between the lines, that edumacation is not valuable and that staying home and watching Nascar or concentrating on going for sports is all that matters. We're building a nation of Honchos during an amazing technology revolution. And the US is beginning to lose its edge.

Let's bring this country into the 21st Century and concentrate on EDUCATION. Bring home the troops and take 50% of the savings and put it into education, intelligently. There are studies out there that show what really works on students regarding grades and actual learning. Create a culture of intellect.

And let's have a SMART president again. God almighty... the last time I heard Clinton speak I almost cried. Bush drives me crazy!!!

We need to pick the topics, there are certainly enough out there. If the DNC can't come up with a topic, the rest of us can readily come up with several dozen. Why is the Democrat leadership not doing anything but sitting there with their thumbs up their butts?
Surely to God they can't all be sellouts! Come on DNC, kick some butt!!!

mik_in_montague:

Sooner or later the Working and Poor Class is going to have to accept that the DLC's 20% Professional Class has usurped control of the Democratic Party, that the DLC's Professional Managerial Class for the Elite control education and have no intention of allowing education to be easy to achieve for the Working and Poor Class because education is the only way for the DLC's 20% Professional Class to hold power, and to the DLC's 20% Professional Class, all that matters is holding power. The rise of the 70% Working and Poor Class is a threat to the DLC's 20% Professional Class and as long as the Democratic Party is allowed to be separated into two classes there will never be unity.

Democrat Loosership Comittee's professional class? Yeah, professional butt-kissers for big business lobbyists with lots of money. Professional sell-outs. Professional preachers of bad advice to Democrat candidates.
There needs to be a shake up in the DNC, and the DLC needs to be fired.
We need to support the real Democrats, and keep pressure on the sell-outs to toe the line.
Bush's Katrina-like mess he's made of this country needs to be fixed, like yesterday. Republicans AND Republi-lites are not wanted or needed.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way!

I agree 100%.This kind of biased depiction has nothing to do with the truth,and we should know the truth about who actually is behind this distortion.Personally I have been to disneyworld 8 to 10 times.I was planning on bringing my 3 grand children there and my wife & I have all ready cancelled plans.I will never go there again!I`ve also stopped watching ABC television. Maybe the religious right will support them unless they decide to not attend because of their movies again.

Well Folks I hate to say it but both powers on the watch dropped the ball.I have looked at 9-11 from many perspectives and the puzzle pieces do not fit.I do not and will not watch any movie on the subject.There are and have been outside influences leading and pushing our country in what I may say is the wrong direction.There is and was a major amount of wealth gained from 9-11 and all the dominos that fell after 9-11.This goverment weather Dems Or rep are not telling the entire story.That is the Movie I am waiting to see.