Good morning, Dems and Happy Thanksgiving.

Peace

James Carvill is history; Howard Dean is the future!...Happy Thanksgiving!!

we won, they lost. those years fearing that
the nightmare of right-wing-nut dominance of
the national power bases would never end are over.

Happy Thanksgiving indeedy-do!

Mornin' {{Y'all}} and have a blessed holiday!

Heya, Salute! I didn't know that hod was a visual arts term, either. See how much of a prole I am :-D I forgot what county you're in -- with a little bit of luck I'll be moving from Guilford to Stokes. A bit of a drive to work as opposed to the 1 mile I travel now, but I've wanted to get back to rural living for years. We'll have enough space to put up solar panels, wean ourselves from the grid and do some gardening besides.

Now, them packin' boxes... I better get moving!

Happy Thanksgiving, {{ALL}}!!

18 eggs boiled for the 34 Devilled eggs to be consumed during football. (O.K., I usually cheat and eat 2).

Happy Thanksgiving. I am new to the blog and was struck by yesterday's post of JFK's undelivered speech from 11/22/63. Did that last sentence make anyone's neck hairs stand up? "In a world of complex and continuing problems, in a world full of frustrations and irritations, America's leadership must be guided by the lights of learning and reason or else those who confuse rhetoric with reality and the plausible with the possible will gain the popular ascendancy with their seemingly swift and simple solutions to every world problem." Eerily prophetic words for the new millenium. At least the recent election outcome gives us a glimmer of hope that Americans are awakening from their collective coma.

I am currently reading Obama's "The Audacity of Hope" and find his views well-grounded in "the lights of learning and reason". Every appearance, every television and magazine interview, every written word of his I have read all have given me renewed hope. The deep cynicism that has pervaded my attitude toward politics of late is disappearing. If this blog an appropriate forum to begin discourse on the '08 presidential election, I submit that Barack Obama appears to be the most electable potential candidate the Democratic Party could ever hope to woo.

There are obviously other highly intelligent and experienced contenders for the ticket. But, can you imagine the Republican spin machine at work against Hillary? Talk about get ugly. I'm afraid that even Senator Biden would afford too much fodder- real or imagined- to the politics of vitriol perfected by Karl Rove. In my view, Obama has the poise, composure, and saavy not to be drawn out to respond in kind by negative attacks. His persona exudes grace and dignity and inspires confidence and trust. In the Deep South where I make my home, he would get a lot of support from independents and moderate Republicans, as well as Democrats like myself. I hope the party will take a deep breath of fresh air and support a bid by Barack Obama for the Democratic candidate in 2008.

magpi, interesting name. it was the nickname of one of my closest childhood friends who is no longer with us. for short we called him mag.

anyhow yeah those kennedy words are strong and resonate today even more than they did when jfk spoke them.

as for obama. i will work for whoever the party selects but i think this guy would take a beating. racism in this country is very deeply ingrained. i read somewhere that in the south about 0% of whites vote for black candidates and near 100% of blacks do but they are outnumbered. in the rest of the country this problem exists in varying degrees. i agree that hillary is carrying alot of baggage, biden has been on many sides or each issue and so on. i can't figure who a great candidate would be. of course with the republicans having lost allen as a viable candidate we are in better shape then they are...i mean can we get so lucky that they would run that sack of shit newt?? so our best candidate may the the one they pick who as far as i can see will have to be loaded down with bush's legacy and that of the right wing.

for some long shots for the democrats there is the governor of montana-shweitzer, kerry again who with all his problems is in my opinion the most qualified, the governor of arizona napolitano, and bill richardson. but what do i know?

dpd, my giants are sinking in the sun son. have to hope dallas blows it today.

It was nice seeing the troops giving thanks this morning. How proud they have been of what they have accomplished with freeing the Iraqi people and giving the children of Iraq a chance. God bless the troops

Will Manning be benched?

meanwhile things in iraq ( is it a civil war yet? are we supposed to believe that 20,000 more american troops will do the trick? ) are absolutely horrific. can we lock up bush and cheney and rummy yet for going to war with no plan for the occupation and with a demonstration of total arrogance and incompetence every step of the way ( just wrap your mind around the fact that not enough soldiers were provided to guard the enormous amount of munitions saddam had collected--buying them from us and the russians and so on with his oil treasur--and so they ALL WALKED AWAY while rummy was playing bob hope at briefings ) to where we find things today?. they really should not be out on bail:

Bombs, mortars in Shiite slum kill at least 133
More than 200 others wounded, many of them seriously, in Baghdad

BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 10 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Up to six car bombs killed at least 133 people in a Shiite militia stronghold in Baghdad on Thursday, in one of most devastating such attacks since the U.S. invasion.

A further 201 people were wounded, police said. The Interior Ministry earlier put the toll at 115 dead and 125 wounded. Other reports suggested as many as 144 people were killed and another 236 wounded.

The blasts, which were followed by a mortar barrage aimed at a nearby Sunni enclave, came at the same time as gunmen mounted a bold daylight raid on the Shiite-run Health Ministry.

Angry residents and armed militiamen flooded the streets, hurling curses at Sunni Muslims.

Six parked vehicles each packed with as much as half a ton of explosives, as well as mortars landing in the area, devastated streets and a crowded market in the sprawling Sadr City slum in east Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Jihad al-Jabori of the Interior Ministry told Iraqiya state television.

the horror escalates

pamurtha, please return to the non-reality based community, too many illegal immigrants from that land that bush and cheney and dobson created are flooding over the borders and trying to pollute the world of rationality. soon we will build a big fence and send you all back to the other side.

happy thanksgiving fine dems- gregg- the stories out of iraq just keep getting worse, don't they?

kudos to vic wulsin for taking on the truly dreadful schmidt- and kudos to her for not ignoring the counting of thousands of absentee and provisional ballots- the press has not been kind to mean jean and with good reason as many here in hamilton county's solidly republican majority know a lousy candidate when they see one- sadly, i'm afraid that when what is left of the ballots are counted (as they always should be, not withstanding the schmidt campaign's attempt to shut it down) schmidt will be declared the winner

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061123/NEWS01/611230324/1077/COL02

jefro, happy thanksgiving. if we try to hit all the targets we will win some of these type races and as it is hard to know which will pay off ( pombo and sweeney!!) we all need to take credit for all the wins and share the sadness for all the loses. but as we check the total scorecard for 11/7 our team won big.

gregg- we did indeed- it has been comical watching the right in conjunction with the msm trying to spin this thing in every conceivable way to try to minimize their loss and paint the significance of the dems win to their favor- i have found the "tester must be conservative, he has a flattop" particularly amusing as i just had mine refreshed yesterday (i must say i was a little jealous that he's getting one for $9 and only goes in every 3 weeks- mine costs me $16 with tip and i typically see the barber every two)

gregg...it just gets worse by the day...we blew it early on...not enough troops to secure the borders or the ammo dumps....and we should have delt with cleric Sadr before he got so much representation in government and before the Madi army got so well entrenched...I wish Bush, Cheney and Rumdum had to lead a Marine foot patrol into Sadr city. Of course a Marine noncom would have to be in charge to make sure the three stoodges went the right way.

yes we'll take all the conservative organic farmers we can find. as for the flatops...they didn't renew their leases in new york in 1956 and i guess bought their own spreads out in the west and mid-west where they live today.

goodfoe, there was no reason to go in the first place. saddam offered to go into exile to save his own ass and an international force could have attempted to use the existing infrastructure to move the decrepit nation toward some sort of more inclusive, sane reality...but bush had to play shoot em up like some dumb fucking rich kid with a new bb gun and then the ideologues ran the show for him, trying to wage war and occupation with some weird take on economics lifted from a cult newsletter at dartmouth college or god knows what. i hope the democrats do an excrutiatingly slow, thorough review of every stupid decision made for the past three years including the ones they were party to...the nation will whine about not wanting to hear it but we need to hear it over and over before someone comes up with the next such bit of madness.

jefro, i am making a lasagna today. we aren't having company till tomorrow and like revenge, its a dish best taken cold.

"talkleft" on jon tester:

The verdict is in - Obama is wrong. Tester is right. Right for Democrats all over the country. We want and need proud fighting Dems like Jon Tester, not accomodating ones like Barack Obama.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/11/8/183016/891

so you will eat the lasagna today and have turkey et al tomorrow? we are going to jen's younger brother's for trad dinner today- everyone is bringing a little somethin- i hope her nephew is bringing the fryer for the bird (man, that is good stuff)- my dad and wife and niece are coming in tomorrow for the weekend

what kind of lasagna?

supposed to be cleaning house here until having to get ready to leave later- just too lazy to get roused to do anything at this point

well, need to head off now- maybe stop by in a bit

bob moser from the nation- "a complicated blessing":

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20061204/moser

Gregg- Thanks for your response to my post. As a child of the South I acknowledge that racism is ingrained in certain parts of the population (including some family I have in Mississippi, God-love-'em). I do, however, question the source of your quoted statistic on Southern white and black voting for black candidates. It is simply wrong. Barack Obama is colorless in my own way of thinking, and from disussions with diverse groups of people I know he would have support from many Southern whites who wouldn't be caught dead voting for Hillary. Somehow I think being female could be a larger impediment for presidential candidacy with conservative middle America than being African American would be. Kerry will have absolutely no support from the South if he attempts a ressurection. (And what the hell was he thinking with that joke about Bush? Even if he hadn't stepped on his own tongue, it reads just like school boy bitterness.)

My mind is open to other candidates and I'll be listening for sparks of brilliance from any hopefuls throwing their hats in the ring. From where I sit, nominating Hillary would return our party back to our status of a couple of of months ago- powerless losers embroiled in ugly, polarizing rhetoric.

i think we will skip turkey this year. we made one last weekend. shrimp today and lasagna tomorrow.

i make a sauce with my own meatballs and sausage and so on. then i make the lasanga. for the filling i brown chop meat. i put that, ricotta cheese, parsely,grated romano cheese, and egg, grated mozarella cheese, in a bowl and mix it together. i put that in the fridge and let it cool. then i take the lasagna pan, put some ( also cooled---by cooling everything you reduce the tendency for the lasagna to be watery ) sauce in the bottom and then a layer of pasta, then sauce, then filling, then sauce, then pasta, then sauce, then filling etc. until the pan is filled to the top, then i sprinkle some grated mozarella on top and another thin coat of sauce.

i would love to stuff myself with a deep fried turkey someday. don't know anyone around here who makes it that way.

Gregg:

It's a shame you can't even wish our troops well and thank them for what they have done.

I'm having Louisiana shrimp and redfish.

queencityjefro-I appreciate the link to talkleft's article promoting Tester. The manner in which the article attempts to dismiss Obama is very indirect. Obama is not Harold Ford and did not, to my knowledge, advise Harold Ford on his campaign advertising.

gregg- sounds delicious- i have a recipe from good housekeeping cookbook for a northern style lasagna which i have doctored to our liking by starting with a variation on my dark and spicy red sauce which should get a good simmer before assembly (ground beef and ital sausage in the mix)- the recipe then calls for a bechamel sauce with some nutmeg as well as the standard cheese/egg misture with parsley- your idea of cooling everything is a good one- i am typically assembling everything hot so it does have some tendency to get a little loose, but we like it that way

thanks, magpi- i agree with you- some of the commenters said similar things- what i do believe is true is that obama appears to be preening himself with the dlc crowd in much the same way that ford seems to have done- the dlc crowd don't seem to have a "southern strategy" while i don't suppose tester feels that he needs one as he doesn't seem to be someone who is trying to prove anything to the dlc establishment who cater to the so-called "middle of the road" crowd

Posted by gregg on November 23, 2006 at 11:39 AM there was no reason to go in the first place. saddam offered to go into exile to save his own ass

It gave Toby Keith a chance to write another bad song.

Justice will be served
And the battle will rage
This big dog will fight
When you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way

pamurtha, it's a shame you are a manipulative asshole trying to play with people whose history you know nothing about as you make accusations of their lack of patriotism. i have all the respect in the world for our soldiers but none for our leaders or the lackys like yourself who make excuses for them. your lack of being grounded in reality is evidenced by your praising all the great benefits our leaders have brought to the iraqi people on the day that sees the poor there suffering more violence than on any day so far...you are a complete and cowardly asshole as i suspected when i saw you trying to bait paul yesterday and i am done with you. fuck off.

Posted by magpi on November 23, 2006 at 12:01 PM It is simply wrong. Barack Obama is colorless in my own way of thinking, and from disussions with diverse groups of people I know he would have support from many Southern whites who wouldn't be caught dead voting for Hillary.

I like Obama and I also think he'd win. He is very much of a uniter in my opinion.

Like GregG, I'm hoping someone from the Western states emerges as that's were the party has the chance to make it's biggest gains - though the Midwest would be my second choice.

I'll work for any Democrat in 2008 including Evan Bayh - something I didn't think I would say a couple of years ago.

If Hillary's nominated I don't think she'll need my help because in my opinion she's likely to beat, hands down, anyone the GOP puts up in 2008 with the possible exception of the current Governor of MN.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Up to six car bombs killed at least 133 people in a Shiite militia stronghold in Baghdad on Thursday, in one of most devastating such attacks since the U.S. invasion.
A further 201 people were wounded, police said. The Interior Ministry earlier put the toll at 115 dead and 125 wounded. Other reports suggested as many as 144 people were killed and another 236 wounded. Posted by gregg

Sometimes you gotta wonder who's planting all these "car bombs".

Iraq: Brit Soldiers Dressed As Arabs In car Packed With Explosives

Sometimes you gotta wonder who's dumping all these tortured dead bodies all over the streets of Iraq. Could it be "the torture kings"?

Is Bush emptying out the torture prisons?

We have been seeing this at least since late August of this year. The bodies are turning up 60 to 80 at a time, this report being the largest number I've seen so far in one day. All of them bound, sometimes blindfolded or gagged, and all of them showing signs of having been tortured.

And we are told, these are victims of Iraq's sectarian violence.

Are they?

Imagine a scenario in which the Bush Administration is caught red-handed holding thousands of prisoners who have been held in illegal detention for no evident reason, and who have been tortured.

Inconvenient, eh?

Why not execute them and drop them into the middle of an escalating sectarian war? Point the finger elsewhere. Problem solved, right?

Meanwhile, Bush pretends that he can't figure out what is fueling the escalating violence.

Dailykos

Posted by gregg on November 23, 2006 at 12:04 PM i make a sauce with my own meatballs and sausage and so on.

The great thing about homemade spaghetti or lasagna gravy is that I've never tasted a bad one - and each is unique.

dors, this will not get you that appointment to the united nations...the sons of garibaldi maybe...

Give a Power Thank You for Thanksgiving. To make the people who are special to you, feel special, give them a "Power Thank You." It has three parts:

Part 1: Thank them for something specific that they did for you (it can also be something they refrained from doing that would have hurt you).

Part 2: Acknowledge to them the effort it took for them to do it (by saying something like: "I know you didn't have to do ----" or "I know you went out of your way to do ----").

Part 3: Tell them the difference it personally made to you.

To read more go to: http://markgoulston.com/insights/20051118564170478648.shtml

Posted by gregg on November 23, 2006 at 01:07 PM dors, this will not get you that appointment to the united nations...the sons of garibaldi maybe...

Well, I always wanted to learn the card game the old foggies there used to play.

And while Toby Keith can't turn a good verse, Emerson Drive can.

Enjoy the day, Democrats.

I don’t need a whole lot of money
But I wouldn’t turn a lottery down
I just need a little green in my pocket
So I can buy my buddies a round
All I want is a place to lay my head with the woman I love lyin’ in my bed
Kind of understated
My dreams aren’t that complicated…

And we know if "the White House says it", it has to be true, right? Because after all, they never lie, do they?

White House denies Cheney is visiting Iraq

TV reports had reported VP was celebrating Thanksgiving with troops.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The White House denied Iraqi television reports that Vice President Dick Cheney made an unannounced visit to Baghdad on Thursday.

David Almacy, a White House spokesman in Washington, said Cheney was not in Iraq and that his only currently planned travel to the region is the previously announced trip he will make to Saudi Arabia on Friday to meet the next day with King Abdullah to discuss developments in the Middle East, including Iraq.

State-run Iraqiya TV and the private Al-Arabiya TV station reported that Cheney had arrived in the Iraqi capital on Thursday morning, apparently to visit American troops for the Thanksgiving holiday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15863222/

Usable Insight of the Week:

Don't settle for giving a "thank you"
when you can give a POWER THANK YOU?

If you want to make the people who are special to you, feel special, try a Power Thank You. It has 3 parts:

Part 1: Thank them for something specific that they did for you (it can also be something they refrained from doing that would have hurt you).

Part 2: Acknowledge to them the effort it took for them to do it (by saying something like: "I know you didn't have to do ----" or "I know you went out of your way to do ----").

Part 3: Tell them the difference it personally made to you.

I still get choked up when I think of the power thank you a CEO client gave me a couple years ago.

He told me: "1. I think you might have saved my life; 2. I can be very tough and hard headed but you took me on. You told me very firmly and in no uncertain terms about the incredible pain my 15 year old, underachieving son was in by having a high IQ and not being able to use it because he couldn't focus. I just kept treating him like he was lazy; 3. And what did it mean to me? I remember when I asked him (as you suggested), how bad it got for him (that he couldn't concentrate), and he broke and started crying and let me in instead of blowing me off like he usually did. And then I'll never forget when I asked him, why he hadn't told me it was so bad and he looked right back at and through me and said (correctly), 'Dad, you didn't want to know!'

I told my son I was sorry for not knowing and for not caring enough to find out. He looked back at me at said, 'I'm sorry for all the self-destructive things I did, when I didn't give a damn because you didn't either.' That's when I knew I had to go from hurting my boy to helping (the guy was choked up as he said this) him."* **

* This CEO started keeping his son company every night as the boy struggled through his homework, because as his dad said to him: "I can't allow you to be alone feeling so awful." This change in attitude turned everything around at home. That CEO then realized how he was doing the same thing at his company to his board and management team and turned those situations around as well.

** If this scenario speaks to you with regard to the challenge of juggling work and home without shortchanging either, you might like my column at FAST COMPANY entitled: Why I Wouldn't Want My Sister to Marry You, Part 2

Subscribe to Usable Insight of the Week at: http://www.markgoulston.com/list.

Aahh, break time. The bird has landed (in the oven), the mimosas and highballs are being enjoyed, the Dolphins are losing, and for your dining conversation:

5 things to know about that bird you're about to eat

Happy Thanksgiving Howard and to my fellow dems everywhere.

Well, the message disappeared before I had a chance to finish it and post it. Just want to wish all a happy thanksgiving.

I was searching for some rational post to respond to my personal events of tbhe past week, but just not tere yet.

Yeah, gregg, nice mess to wake up to in Iraq this morning, huh? "It's the legacy, stupid!!!"

I am amazed at the neocon statements about the past election. They just cannot admit that there ideology will always be rejected by the masses because it is against the people. "It's the legacy, stupid!!!"

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!! Did I forget to say, "It's the legacy, stupid!!!"

Christian Coalition Continues to Implode: President-Elect Resigns

A key example of evangelicals' waning political influence is the current implosion of the Christian Coalition of America, which was once the most powerful socially conservative political group in the country. Four states have recently decided to split from the group, and today we learn that The Rev. Joel Hunter, who was recently picked to take over leadership of the group, has announced he will no longer take the job. The reason? Hunter wanted to move the organization's agenda beyond opposing abortion and gay marriage to focus on issues such as poverty and the environment, and the group would have none of it.

Dailykos

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Especially to those in the armed services.

Getting the better of 'Black Friday'.
The Monitor's View. The day after Thanksgiving marks much-hyped "Black Friday," which fires the starting gun on the frantic holiday gift-buying season. But beware if you decide to jump in. Consider some alternatives, perhaps celebrating "Buy Nothing Day," as opposed to piling up plunder.

...Black Friday sounds ominous, but it actually has earned that title because it's considered the day that retailers begin to make a profit for the year, or "go into the black".

Gregg:

All I asked you to do was thank the troops, wow. And I was not baiting Paul, I was correcting Paul. Yound very frustrated, try anger management.

Happy Thanksgiving Gregg

At least you do not judge people as you accuse me of doing.

Gregg,

Is that the type of language that your parents used when you grew up?

pamasite, so you wanna talk about families on thanksgiving day? fine.

the language,
i picked it up from your mom.

Gregg:

God Bless you

The other day there was a poll that asked who was a better leader, George H.W. Bush or George W. Bush, and 61% chose the dad. But then again think about it, the dad was elected in 1988 with 54% of the vote but was such a poor president that he only garnered 38% in 1992 when he lost to Bill Clinton. I think the poll should have compared George W. Bush to a longer list of leaders. For example:

Who was a better leader? FDR or George W. Bush?

Who was a better leader? JFK or George W. Bush?

Maybe the poll could make it easier for Bush.

Who was a better leader? Mayor McCheese or George W. Bush?

It's pretty hard for Bush to come up very good in this poll. He's about as much of a failed lame duck as ever. Deeply sad our country has to suffer through two more ineffective years of this when some other countries have more effective ways to allowing the party that controls parliament to choose the new leader. At least the public is hopeful of the new Democratic Congress.

PROGRESSIVE VALUES

Gregg:

I apologize I thought you where an adult.

have a nice holiday.

paul, i know chucky cheese would beat him.

Yikes!! It's 60 degrees, I may move this shingig outside. Thanksgiving "al fresco".

My fellow Democrats:

This is not a day for celebration, it is the National Day of Mourning.

Today, I mourn the millions of Indians who lost their lives with the coming of the White Man.

Today, I mourn the lands - once home to peaceful Indian settlements - which were destroyed and despoiled by the "Pilgrims", the very first illegal aliens.

Today, I mourn also for the millions of peaceful Turkey birds which will have been slaughtered to feed fat American children. Do not let a corpse be the centerpiece of your meal. If you must celebrate this awful day, do so vegetarianly.

RE: Carville's latest remarks

Without Governor Dean, the Democrats wouldn't be where they are today. We need to cut our ties to the past and begin building this country from the ground up: move out of Iraq; education reform on an enormous scale, including massive funding for new schools, all with computers for every child; a New Deal scale program on energy; universal health care; and transparency in government. The Clinton people don't have the guts to try to do these things without compromising.

way to go biff! just let me crack this cyanide capsule i have been keeping inside my gum since my cia days....

Posted by DPD on November 23, 2006 at 03:39 PM Yikes!! It's 60 degrees, I may move this shingig outside. Thanksgiving "al fresco".

Same here. A fitting ending to a great month.

well its dreary and cold and raining here in the hudson valley boys. the way its supposed to be just before the big chill sets in. is it martini time yet?

yes dors a great month indeedy-do. remember when rove and the republicans were gonna rule for a thousand years? hahahaha

As we give thanks on this day of plenty, let us be thankful we don't have to suffer from "Skid Row cooties".

The Scourge of Skid Row

A staph infection threatens the lives of cops, firefighters and homeless people. But don’t expect any help from county health officials.

Detective Tricia Hauck finished a burglary investigation at Pete’s Café and returned to the Central Division station near Skid Row. Her left foot started to feel uncomfortably warm. She wondered if it had anything to do with an ankle fracture she suffered on vacation in Mexico a few months earlier. Within a half hour, the warm feeling turned into pain so excruciating that her leg went numb. Unable to walk, the 39-year-old burglary-investigations supervisor was carried to a patrol car and rushed by her partner to an emergency room.

An MRI detected fluid around her bone. Later that day, a surgeon cut into her foot and removed an abscess. The diagnosis: Skid Row staph, or, more technically, a strain of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus that is sickening dozens of police officers, firefighters, health-care workers and homeless people. These cases pose a new challenge to county health officials, who so far have refused appeals by Skid Row care providers to step up help to the city’s most down-and-out population. Cops are so accustomed to seeing people with oozing boils that they call them Skid Row cooties.

LA Weekly

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Just stopping by to wish you all a great weekend.

Here's the word from the world's biggest turkey regarding his sons, Chicken Little and the next GOP candidate for President:

Elder Bush takes on son's Arab critics

By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer
Tue Nov 21

ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates - Former President George H.W. Bush took on Arab critics of his son Tuesday during a testy exchange at a leadership conference in the capital of this U.S. ally.

"My son is an honest man," Bush told members of the audience harshly criticized the current U.S. leader's foreign policy.

The oil-rich Persian Gulf used to be safe territory for former President Bush, who brought Arab leaders together in a coalition that drove
Saddam Hussein's troops from Kuwait in 1991. But gratitude for the elder Bush, who served as president from 1989-93, was overshadowed at the conference by hostility toward his son, whose invasion of Iraq and support for Israel are deeply unpopular in the region.

"We do not respect your son. We do not respect what he's doing all over the world," a woman in the audience bluntly told Bush after his speech.

Bush, 82, appeared stunned as others in the audience whooped and whistled in approval.

A college student told Bush his belief that U.S. wars were aimed at opening markets for American companies and said globalization was contrived for America's benefit at the expense of the rest of the world. Bush was having none of it.

"I think that's weird and it's nuts," Bush said. "To suggest that everything we do is because we're hungry for money, I think that's crazy. I think you need to go back to school."

The hostile comments came during a question-and-answer session after Bush finished a folksy address on leadership by telling the audience how deeply hurt he feels when his presidential son is criticized.

"This son is not going to back away," Bush said, his voice quivering. "He's not going to change his view because some poll says this or some poll says that, or some heartfelt comments from the lady who feels deeply in her heart about something. You can't be president of the United States and conduct yourself if you're going to cut and run. This is going to work out in Iraq. I understand the anxiety. It's not easy."

Bush also told the audience its derisive hoots were mild compared to the reaction he got in Germany in the 1980s, after persuading the country to deploy U.S. nuclear missiles.

He told the audience — including dozens of women in black robes and head scarves — he was extremely proud of his sons, President George W. Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

He said the happiest day of his life was election day in 1998 when George and Jeb were elected to the governorships of Texas and Florida, but he also described the pain he feels when his sons are attacked...

It seems like the Bush family spends more time out of the country than in it...and they get a nasty reception wherever they go.

I'm so glad that Poppy was proud that his sons conspired with Katherine Harris to steal the election in 2000....the head of all crime families must set standards for their sons.

the head of all crime families must set standards for their sons. Posted by SandyH

You are so right about that, Sandy.

Posted by gregg on November 23, 2006 at 04:07 PM well its dreary and cold and raining here in the hudson valley boys.

Yummy, yummy, yummy I got turkey in my tummy
And it tasted really, really, really good.
Yummy, yummy, yummy I got turkey in my tummy
And it tasted like I knew it would.

(wiggle your butt here to burn off some calories)

Yummy, yummy, yummy we've a Democratic Congress
Just like we knew we should
Yummy, yummy, yummy we've a Democratic Congress
And the President can go sell wood.

(wiggle your butt some more here and make your spouse laugh)

Yummy, yummy, yummy ....

5 + years with no domestic terror attacks, for that I am thankful.

Posted by gregg on November 23, 2006 at 04:07 PM is it martini time yet?

The kitchen's clean. I've tuned out the splash and swish of the dish washer. All but one of the kids are home and we'll be heading out to a movie in a few hours.

I just cracked open a beer and they drew lots to choose who's going to be the designated driver.

AAhhh, the Pomegranet Martinis are chillin' in the shaker in the freezer (THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION, BlueinIdaho!), the bird and the stuffed acorn squash will be ready to pull out in 45 minutes, at which time the rolls go in, and ONLY 1 broken glass, and spilled drink!! A new record.

Paramecium, what about those Anthrax attacks to so called "libbrullzz" which resulted in several deaths?

How about the simulated Anthrax attacks against MORE "libbrullzz", in the past few weeks.

I say THANK GOD THE PUGS will GO TO HELL, snd the sooner the better.

5 + years with no domestic terror attacks, for that I am thankful.

I'd be thankful if only there were no domestic terror attacks, too. You're not very well informed, are ya?

Anthrax attacks

Tried To Kill The Entire Supreme Court With Rat Poison Cookies In '05

Didn't Republicans like Anthrax Coulter, and members of Congress like Tom DeLay and John Cornyn call for the death of judges, and then right after that there were a rash of shootings to death of judges? If that's not domestic terrorism, I don't know what is.

I didn't realize people died fron Anthrax, where can I read about those?

In what he hopes will be an example for voters in the 2008 presidential election, President Bush Pardoned Two White House Turkeys today.

Bush announced that the birds would be sent off to Disneyland in California to be the honorary grand marshals of a Thanksgiving Day Parade, just like their predecessors a year ago.

When asked what he thought about the pardons, Frank Lerner, a steel worker in Indiana said, Well, there are plenty of turkeys in the White House, that's for sure, and if we're going to pardon any of them, I'm glad we pardoned these two and some others.

Amy Lou Preston, a meat packer in Omaha said, The turkeys in the White House are already living in their own Disney Land so the move won't come as a shock to them.

If we pardon any more White House turkeys, said Paul Greiger, a rancher in Western Montana we damn well better make them pay for their own bus ticket.

Everything Bush does is a failure. He's "the worst Resident" is U.S. history.

Lebanon crisis reflects fading U.S. clout

The White House saw the nation as a model in its bid to spread democracy in the Middle East.

WASHINGTON — When elections lifted reformers to power in Lebanon early last year, Bush administration officials hailed it as a showcase example of the "Arab spring" they saw sweeping through the region.

Now, with the Lebanese government teetering on collapse, U.S. officials are braced for another — and some say final — blow to the administration's campaign for its vision of reform in the Middle East.

"You're now seeing the last strand" of failed U.S. policy endeavors, said Nathan Brown, a specialist in Arab politics at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a former United Nations consultant.

Lebanon's "Cedar Revolution," which gave power to anti-Syria forces, was heralded along with the 2005 elections in Iraq, Egypt and the Palestinian territories as part of a new movement that was going to be "as important as the fall of the Berlin Wall," Brown said.

But the changes that followed have dashed U.S. hopes in country after country, he said.

LA Times

Frank Rich

Every country Junior has meddled in has become a failed state. How much more of the world can we afford to allow this moron to screw up? Our kids will be paying the price of his messes for generations to come.

January 2001 over 100 pardons

I'm just back from Thanksgiving on the Reservation.

It is not true what they say about Indians drinking a lot. They only drink til they pass out or fall down the stairs and knock themselves out. They are just like everyone else.

We owe Rumsfeld no sympathy, contrary to what my old friend Novak, the conservative journalist trying to stqy ethical, is trying to suggest. Rumsfeld came to the Bush Administration on false pretenses. Playing on
Rummy's cannibalistic Republicanism and his obsession at becoming president, the neocons promised him in 2000 that Bush would be a one term president and that he would then be fully supported by them as the 2004 Republican presidential candidate. In the meantime, they urged Rumsfeld, accept the Defense post, get the
Iraq War going with help from his troll, Cheney, and a bevy of neocons at DoD to make him the Iraq hero who wins the war cheap and fast. Well, he failed miserably and 2004 seemed catastrophic to all military with lapel stars at the Pentagon. But Bush won a second term in 2004 with the help of a phony binLaden tape (dead men don't speak). After the Inauguration, Bush
cleaned out all the neocons from positions of
authority, though in 2006 Bush still hoped to use
Israel and its US lobby and allied mass Christian
Zionist bloc to promote war on Iran if he can't scare Tehran into accepting his nuclear and Iraq term. Olmert, who last Spring came begging desperately for another $10 billion supplemental aid, had no choice but to accept his assigned role as starter; and so we had Bush's Lebanon War made to look like an Olmert decision. Bush demanded that from Lebanon it expand:
Lebanon-->Syria-->Iran. Only then could we feel
"forced" to jump in "in order to save an ally!"
Unfortunately, to paraphrase Rumsfeld, Olmert did not go to war with the army he wanted and so had to pull out before even reaching Beirut. Since 2004, Cheney hung on in silence and Rumsfeld used his possession of all military service record, 1970s National Guard included, to remain in his post, "at the pleasure of
the President" (sic!).

In the meantime, through Bush's first term, the
neocons urged Rummy to hold his DoD post in order to keep the Iraq War going with help from his troll, Cheney, and become the Iraq hero who wins the war. To insure exclusive credit for the war, Rummy listened to no one. He bullied pitiful Bush and cut all Dos/CIA expertise from HIS, Rummy's, war. For Rummy from 2003, it was not the Iraq Campaign alone but the presidential campaign. In the face of electoral disaster in 2006, GW Bush finally decided in desperation to listen to Poppy and dump the dad's arch-enemy.

Rumsfeld is a shark. Such eating machines feel no
sentiments, no fear, no moral tinge....just insatiable hunger. Dems or Republicans, all were meat for Rummy to devour. But his willingness to run a war on cheap so he could feather his cap is sheer moral depravity, given the thousands of needless deaths.

To my mind, to be an American, as I am by choice not chance, one must, in these times of exclusively voluntary forces, consider every soldier in harm way as his/her son/daughter and not allow to be done to these sons and daughters what one would not allow to be done to one's biologic son/daughter. By these standards, Rummy was a depraved climber on their corpses. Our silence makes us all accomplices and makes those who tirelessly protested real heroes and truly America's moms and dads!

Let us give thanks this Thanksgiving to all the truths that will be extracted like molars from the Bush Administration by the dental pliers of myriads of House and Senate Committees; for, as the saying goes, only extraction of truth shall set us free of our
excruciating Iraq toothache. Rummy will never be allowed to leave Wash DC with all his whoppers, fangs and chompers in his mouth. The dead will be avenged by truth!

As a good Catholic, Novak, I am sure, believes that only the truth shall cleanse the souls of us sinners all. The confessions will not be long in coming and will be many, so Happy Thanksgiving to my beautiful adopted home, America!

Daniel E. Teodoru

Support our troops

two trolls. the only downside of the republican wipeout this month is the increased squealing of the trolls. like stuck little piglets they are.

Gregg:

How old are you? Is your next post "I know you are but what am I"

Wipe out? That's laughable

What are the "wipe out" numbers in the Senate?

Mention supporting our troops and Gregg goes crazy

george w. bush, this is his war. the one that he told falwell would have no casualties:

Bombs, mortars in Shiite slum kill at least 161
Diplomats, politicians, clerics scramble for ideas to quell sectarian war

Updated: 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sunni Muslim insurgents blew up five car bombs and fired mortars into Baghdad's largest Shiite district Thursday, killing at least 161 people and wounding 257 in a dramatic attack that sent the U.S. ambassador racing to meet with Iraqi leaders in an effort to contain the growing sectarian war.

Shiite mortar teams quickly retaliated, firing 10 shells at Sunni Islam's most important shrine in Baghdad, badly damaging the Abu Hanifa mosque and killing one person. Eight more rounds slammed down near the offices of the Association of Muslim Scholars, the top Sunni Muslim organization in Iraq, setting nearby houses on fire.

Two other mortar barrages on Sunni neighborhoods in west Baghdad killed nine and wounded 21, police said late Thursday.

The bloodshed underlined the impotence of the Iraqi army and police to quell determined sectarian extremists at a time when the Bush administration appears to be considering a move to accelerate the handover of security responsibilities. President Bush plans to visit the region next week to discuss the security situation with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

"We condemn such acts of senseless violence that are clearly aimed at undermining the Iraqi people's hopes for a peaceful and stable Iraq," said Jeanie Mamo, a White House spokeswoman.

Curfew imposed, airport closed
Iraq's government imposed a curfew in the capital and also closed the international airport. The transport ministry then took the highly unusual step of closing the airport and docks in the southern city of Basra, the country's main outlet to the vital shipping lanes in the Persian Gulf.

Leaders from Iraq's Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish communities issued a televised appeal for calm after a hastily organized meeting with U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad. The U.S. Embassy said it had nothing to report about the session.

Al-Maliki, a Shiite, also went on state TV and blamed Sunni radicals and followers of Saddam Hussein for the attacks on Sadr City — the deadliest on a sectarian enclave since the war began.

The coordinated car bombings — three by suicide drivers and two of parked cars — billowed black smoke up into clouds hanging low over blood-smeared streets jammed with twisted and charred cars and buses.

Hospital corridors and waiting rooms were awash in blood and mangled survivors of bombs that struck at 15-minute intervals in the sprawling Shiite slum, which is a stronghold of the Mahdi Army militia of radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, a key al-Maliki backer.

The militia and associated death squads are believed responsible for the slayings of hundreds of Sunnis since suspected al-Qaida in Iraq militants bombed a revered Shiite shrine in the city of Samarra last February...

carnage

Today, I mourn also for the millions of peaceful Turkey birds which will have been slaughtered to feed fat American children. Do not let a corpse be the centerpiece of your meal. If you must celebrate this awful day, do so vegetarianly.

Posted by biff on November 23, 2006 at 03:59 PM

Why is ist always about the children, fat American adults like turkey too.

Gregg can not say anything positive about our troops and sound happy over the bloodshed, there is something sick about that

the smiles have been wiped off of sanatorium and allen's faces haven't they? and kkkarl who said they would hold the house and senate and bush and cheney who said the same...where ever the presidunce went that smell of sulfur drove the independents away from his candidate. hope he campaigns for the democrats again in 08.

Gregg:

Whipe out numbers in the Senate please...try not to curse in your answer

Gregg:

Donate some money to a worthy cause and support our soldiers.

Checkmate Douggggggggggggggggggggggg

the smiles have been wiped off of sanatorium and allen's faces haven't they? and kkkarl who said they would hold the house and senate and bush and cheney who said the same...where ever the presidunce went that smell of sulfur drove the independents away from his candidate. hope he campaigns for the democrats again in 08.

Posted by gregg on November 23, 2006 at 08:27 PM

Santorum or Allen might be selected for some plum job in the administration - maybe even V.P. should Cheney decide to quit for health reasons. A plum job would put them right back in the Presidential race.

Nobody controls the Senate right now except Lieberman.

the permanent republican majority---bye, bye... the superduper, superior 72 hour ground game---dust to dust, the violence is increasing in iraq to influence the american elections---wrong, rummy will stay on the job till 08---oops!, pombo writing environmental legislation---not anymore, drilling in anwar---fugetaboutit, investigations---coming to a theater near you 24/7.....hahahahaha

so dumb and dumber might get plum jobs in the white house...great! more like they will be pulling big plum like hemeroids out of cheney's butt after bush palpates them to the surface of the rectal lining. gee is lieberman a republican yet? oh that's right he is caucausing with the democrats and will do so for the rest of his sorry career. remember trolls in 08 you defend 21 seats, we defend 12.....yeah this election worked out great for you...

love to stay but i need to consume more pie. play nice, the trolls are a gift from the higher power to keep us in touch with the degree to which they got their asses kicked three weeks ago or so.

Posted by gregg on November 23, 2006 at 08:47 PM

Geez, your posts make no sense, are you drunk or what?

Yet this year seems different. Not only are the new Democratic lawmakers distinctly more protectionist than the politicians they replaced, but their trade-scepticism was important to voters. An analysis of voters in 50 competitive districts by Stanley Greenberg, a pollster, showed that Republicans' support of trade was one of the main factors that put off swing voters. Almost 70% of voters want the government to “protect jobs and ensure that trade is fair” rather than promote free trade.[more]

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This, from the economist, is for those that still choose to think that the november victory for democrats was about consevative democrats replacing conservative republicans.

I am thankful to Dr. Dean for giving me my country back, and to all the many Democrats all over the country whose work and hope made the impossible happen last Election Day.

Thank you all.

Pigs:

By Irwin Arieff

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - United Nations negotiators failed to agree on Thursday on a measure banning a fishing practice known as high-seas bottom trawling that environmentalists say chews up the ocean floor and depletes fish stocks.

Days of negotiations in a General Assembly committee on the world body's annual resolution on ocean fisheries ended in the early morning hours of Thursday with no deal on a bottom trawling ban in the face of strong opposition from a handful of fishing nations led by Iceland, conservation groups said.

'US troops kill four' on Iraq bus
US troops have killed four passengers on a minibus in Baghdad's Sadr City district, say security sources in Iraq. Survivors said there was no warning when troops opened fire.
Full story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6175948.stm

NATO soldier killed in Afghan rocket attack
An insurgent rocket attack killed a NATO soldier and injured another while they were on patrol in central Afghanistan on Thursday, the Western alliance said. Full story:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/11/23/nato-death.html

Sunni targets hit after at least 157 Shias killed in Baghdad. Baghdad was placed under a curfew Thursday after five car bombings and two mortar attacks in a Shia Muslim slum killed at least 157 people and wounded 247 others.
Full story:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/11/23/sadr-attacks.html

Iraq now evokes that old Jimmy Durante song that goes, "Did you ever have the feeling that you wanted to go and still have the feeling that you wanted to stay?"

It's hard to remember when America has been so stuck. We can't win and we can't leave.

The good news is that the election finished what Katrina started. It dismantled the president's fake reality about Iraq, causing opinions to come gushing forth from all quarters about where to go from here.

The bad news is that no one, and I mean no one, really knows where to go from here. The White House and the Pentagon are ready to shift to Plan B. But Plan B is their empty term for miraculous salvation.

(Dick Cheney and his wormy aides, of course, are still babbling about total victory and completing the mission by raising the stakes and knocking off the mullahs in Tehran. His tombstone will probably say, "Here lies Dick Cheney, still winning.")

Even Henry Kissinger has defected from the Plan A gang. Once he thought the war could work, but now he thinks military victory is out of the question. When he turns against a war, you know the war's in trouble. He also believes leaving quickly would risk a civil war so big it could destabilize the Middle East.

Kofi Annan, who thought the war was crazy, now says that the United States is "trapped in Iraq" and can't leave until the Iraqis can create a "secure environment" - even though the Iraqis evince not the slightest interest in a secure environment. (The death squads even assassinated a popular comedian this week.)

The retired Gen. Anthony Zinni, who thought Mr. Bush's crusade to depose Saddam was foolish and did not want to send in any troops, now thinks we may have to send in more troops so we can eventually get out.

Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, whose soldiers pulled Saddam out of his spider hole and who is returning to Iraq to take charge of the day-to-day fight, has given up talking about a Jeffersonian democracy and now wishes only for a government in Iraq that's viewed as legitimate. He has gone from "can do" to "don't know." He talked to The Times's Thom Shanker about his curtailed goals of reducing sectarian violence and restoring civil authority, acknowledging: "Will we attain those? I don't know."

At a Senate hearing last week, Gen. John Abizaid sounded like Goldilocks meets Guernica, asserting two propositions about the war that are logically at war with each other. He said we can't have fewer troops because the Iraqis need us, but we can't have more because we don't want the Iraqis to become dependent on us.

more at...

Some 55,000 Brazilians died of homicide in 2005 -- a few thousand more civilians than in three years of war in Iraq, according to leading estimates.

Happy Thanksgiving again.

OMG! My sister called and asked me over.So, I went and now I fee like a 1,000 pound log because I ate so much.It was good though.I'm fasting tomorrow..........

.......maybe.

;p

evening fos. heading for bed. take some alka seltzer. makes room for more.

remember when the conventional wisdom was that the corruption scandals of abramoff and delay and the rest of the republican crooks wouldn't effect the elections? boy that was a real bad call. hahahaha. cost them big time as big time would say.

a bit of data from the reality based community. and nite, nite:

Global warming already killing species, analysis says
POSTED: 8:25 a.m. EST, November 21, 2006
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Animal and plant species have begun dying off or changing sooner than predicted because of global warming, a review of hundreds of research studies contends.

These fast-moving adaptations come as a surprise even to biologists and ecologists because they are occurring so rapidly.

At least 70 species of frogs, mostly mountain-dwellers that had nowhere to go to escape the creeping heat, have gone extinct because of climate change, the analysis says. It also reports that between 100 and 200 other cold-dependent animal species, such as penguins and polar bears are in deep trouble.

"We are finally seeing species going extinct," said University of Texas biologist Camille Parmesan, author of the study. "Now we've got the evidence. It's here. It's real. This is not just biologists' intuition. It's what's happening."

Her review of 866 scientific studies is summed up in the journal Annual Review of Ecology, Evolution and Systematics.

Parmesan reports seeing trends of animal populations moving northward if they can, of species adapting slightly because of climate change, of plants blooming earlier, and of an increase in pests and parasites.

Parmesan and others have been predicting such changes for years, but even she was surprised to find evidence that it's already happening; she figured it would be another decade away.

Just five years ago biologists, though not complacent, figured the harmful biological effects of global warming were much farther down the road, said Douglas Futuyma, professor of ecology and evolution at the State University of New York in Stony Brook.

"I feel as though we are staring crisis in the face," Futuyma said. "It's not just down the road somewhere. It is just hurtling toward us. Anyone who is 10 years old right now is going to be facing a very different and frightening world by the time that they are 50 or 60."

While over the past several years studies have shown problems with certain species, animal populations or geographic areas, Parmesan's is the first comprehensive analysis showing the big picture of global-warming induced changes, said Chris Thomas, a professor of conservation biology at the University of York in England.

While it's impossible to prove conclusively the changes are the result of global warming, the evidence is so strong and other supportable explanations are lacking, Thomas said, so it is "statistically virtually impossible that these are just chance observations."

The most noticeable changes in plants and animals have to do with earlier springs, Parmesan said. The best example can be seen in earlier cherry blossoms and grape harvests and in 65 British bird species that in general are laying their first eggs nearly nine days earlier than 35 years ago.

Parmesan said she worries most about the cold-adapted species, such as emperor penguins that have dropped from 300 breeding pairs to just nine in the western Antarctic Peninsula, or polar bears, which are dropping in numbers and weight in the Arctic.

The cold-dependent species on mountaintops have nowhere to go, which is why two-thirds of a certain grouping of frog species have already gone extinct, Parmesan said.

Populations of animals that adapt better to warmth or can move and live farther north are adapting better than other populations in the same species, Parmesan said.

"We are seeing a lot of evolution now," Parmesan said. However, no new gene mutations have shown themselves, not surprising because that could take millions of years, she said.

When pilgrims and Native Americans gathered for the first Thanksgiving four centuries ago, their joint celebration represented the great diversity that would become the foundation of America's strength. America has always been at its best when we are united and work together for the common good.

Oh,is that what that was all about? We have been trying to figure that out for years.(LOL) I'm just kidding. Shot out to my fellow Cherokee Native Americans Thank you for helping the Africans by sharing your land, culture, lives and freedom and giving me such a rich, beautiful and diverse heritage that I am very proud of today.

:)

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForWeThePeople on November 24, 2006 at 12:15 AM I'm fasting tomorrow.

You're a better person than I am, FOS. :)

Leave it to Gregg to find an article that ties the nutty global warming theory in with the nutty theory of evolution.

Good evening, all.

Will,

Dowd is on the right track, but she still doesn't see where the story is leading. We aren't lost in the desert; Bush and the GOP are.

The American people had nothing to do with this Iraqi invasion or occupation. They were tricked. Some of us were on to them from the start, but most were swindled into accepting something before getting all the facts. Cheney and the PNAC gang had their plan in place and half way executed before anyone was the wiser.

Under the circumstances, we owe this elected chief executive nothing but scorn. He deserves to be humiliated. Making our military pay for "his" mistakes and blunder is not prudent. It is beginning to risk our future national security. The longer this situation is allowed to continue, the worse conditions are going to get for our military. The forces have to know this by now.

We cannot negotiate our way out of this either. It's long past the point where anyone in the region is willing to work with Bush and Condi. They have been completely discredited.

So we must cut our loses and move on. This election was a referendum on the occupation. The message was loud and clear. Either Bush starts pulling out troops after the new Congress goes into session or the Republicans will lose the White House in 2008.

While Congress can investigate the White House abuse of power, take steps against Halliburton, and stop any new neocon aggression, it cannot cut funds in Iraq while Bush keeps them hostage there...and that is exactly is what is going on here. Bush is holding our troops hostage.

We might as well realize that nothing will happen till the next president takes office. That's two long years. But I suppose that's just a drop in the bucket in the conflict in the Middle East. People there have been dealing with a lot worse for a very long time.

So it's really up to the families of the troops and the military establishment to decide what happens next. If they are willing to wait, then we must respect their sacrifice. But if they finally break ranks with this President, we must be prepared to back them with civil disobedience...in large numbers in a very public forum.

One thing is for certain. If we are still in Iraq in two years, it will make it much easier for Democrats to take the White House and both Houses of Congresses in 2008. I really don't see any way out for the Republicans. They better hope for the military to turn on their own leader.

The only thing good I can see coming from all this is that we should be able to move much easier on our domestic agenda, because the GOP does not want to be seen as obstructionists on that, too. They have been on the wrong side of every populist issue that is emerging into the next big social movement in this country.

So I think we are going to have to sit tight and let the social conservatives, neocons, and multinationals die a slow and torturous death of their own making. Our party is going to ride the tide of a new populist movement that will reestablish our reputation as the champion of the middle class. Exciting things are about to happen.

And our troops are going to come home one way or another. I hope it's sooner than later for their sake and their families...and for the welfare of the country.

Sorry for the long post. I'm signing off. Good night.

You're a better person than I am, FOS. :)

Posted by dorsano on November 24, 2006 at 12:25 AM
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Your too kind. I said "maybe". LOL . My sister sent me home with about four servings of leftovers. (all dishes) too.

;)

Good Night gregg,

Thanks for the advice.I won't eat at all during my shift onight and then when I get home........

......Oh, baby.

;p

Posted by gregg on November 24, 2006 at 12:18 AM heading for bed.

Goodnight, Greg. If you send the left over lasagna up here you won't have to work off the extra calories next week.

Just a suggestion.

I'm headed to Huff Po to see what they're up to.

Good Night, friends. I'll be back later.

This election was a referendum on the occupation.

Posted by SandyH on November 24, 2006 at 12:35 AM

No it wasn't, if it had been Lieberman would have lost in a liberal state. It was a referendum on Republicans behaving like Democrats by; spending too much on social programs, becoming as corrupt as the Democrats, and putting queers into high positions.

is it possible that sally is really a liberal that just wants to keep showing us how crazy the right wing nuts are?

what else could explain this primitive view of reality?
sally: "...the nutty theory of evolution".

so much sally, so little time.

nite now for real.

i'll ship you a slab of lasanga dors. it has the same specific gravity as lead. be careful don't drop a forkfull on your toe.

you know what's funny, coming out of the northeast the democrats had already picked up eleven house seats in the elections...all pretty much anti bush agenda and anti war...

reality is not always kind. but it is what it is.

Posted by gregg on November 24, 2006 at 12:53 AM you know what's funny, coming out of the northeast the democrats had already picked up eleven house seats in the elections...all pretty much anti bush agenda and anti war

The state house and state senate in MN looks as blue as it did the 70's and all the suburban mom Democrats in the House that were elected in 2004 won relection.

I think the GOP made a mistake by pretending that they were moderates. Next time around they should talk more like the people on FreeRepublic.

I think the GOP made a mistake by pretending that they were moderates. Next time around they should talk more like the people on FreeRepublic.

Posted by dorsano on November 24, 2006 at 01:00 AM

Absolutely! When the Republicans behave like Democrats, the voters take a look at them and vote for the real thing.

But the MN Dems will do something stupid and it will bounce back the other way again.

The goofey Governor is starting to behave like a Democrat too. That will be the end of him. I held my nose and voted for him - the alternative was to leave that category blank which I considered.

what else could explain this primitive view of reality?
sally: "...the nutty theory of evolution".

Posted by gregg on November 24, 2006 at 12:50 AM

If someone would show me some evidence, I would be happy to consider the theory. But there is no evidence.

There should be fossils of all kinds of intermediate species - missing links - but there are no missing links. Not just in humans but in any species. There are no half fish half frog fossils.

So without any evidence, and they have been looking for it for a 150 years, if you are to believe in evoulution you have to believe fish evovled in frogs or monkeys evolved into people in one generation. But, we still have fish and monkeys so that didn't happen.

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForWeThePeople on November 24, 2006 at 12:40 AM Good Night, friends. I'll be back later.

Goodnight, FOS. I'm off to bed.

We went to see the new James Bond movie tonight. I thought it was the best one ever though you'd think after all these movies women would be smart enough not to encourage Bond to fall in love with them.

As soon as that happens they get killed because otherwise the next Bond movie would be about them raising kids together, trying to figure out how to pay for health care and saving up for college tuition.

What's even worse is that they'd have to drive around in a minivan.

Today, I mourn the lands - once home to peaceful Indian settlements - which were destroyed and despoiled by the "Pilgrims", the very first illegal aliens.

Today, I mourn also for the millions of peaceful Turkey birds which will have been slaughtered to feed fat American children. Do not let a corpse be the centerpiece of your meal. If you must celebrate this awful day, do so vegetarianly.

Posted by biff on November 23, 2006 at 03:59 PM

It sounds like Biff fits right in around here, but I think it would be more effective to call the turkey a cadaver rather than a corpse.

Yeah those peace loving Indians. Not 20 miles from here there is a site noted by roadside sign, where the peace loving Chippewas killed 500 Sioux women and children at the village of Izatys. The Chippewas had been following the French around as fur trappers. They came here from Michigan where they had to leave because they had killed all of the animals.

Later, after the Chippewas had run the Sioux out, about 700 Chippewas went down to Fort Snelling to get their government handouts, A large band of peace loving Sioux (who in the mean time had gotten rifles and horses) rode in and killed every single man woman and child on the grounds of the Fort. Apparently the Army didn't want to take sides as they didn't interfere.

That is they killed every Chippewa man woman and child. They didn't kill any white folks.

Headlines from the future:

US Airways Stock Prices At All-Time High After Muslim Boycott

US Airways Flights Completely Sold Out: Muslim Boycott Cited

US Airways Announces New "Bring Whatever The Hell You Want On The Plane" Policy In Wake Of Muslim Boycott

US Airways Begins "No More Waiting In Line For Security Checks" Initiative Following Muslim Boycott

Delta, United, American, Cry Foul Over Muslim Boycott Of US Airways

US Airways Announces New Slogan: "We Don't CAIR, And It Shows"

Headlines from the future:

US Airways Stock Prices At All-Time High After Muslim Boycott

US Airways Flights Completely Sold Out: Muslim Boycott Cited

US Airways Announces New "Bring Whatever The Hell You Want On The Plane" Policy In Wake Of Muslim Boycott

US Airways Begins "No More Waiting In Line For Security Checks" Initiative Following Muslim Boycott

Delta, United, American, Cry Foul Over Muslim Boycott Of US Airways

US Airways Announces New Slogan: "We Don't CAIR, And It Shows"

Frosty.......You seem to have really gone down hill ever since Foley went away.....Sorry for your loss....But I have to admit, the airline thing was very creative....there are a lot of Moslems in the US who will not think it is funny....Thwy may put a Fatwah on you....better start watching your back...

Frosty.......You seem to have really gone down hill ever since Foley went away.....Sorry for your loss....But I have to admit, the airline thing was very creative....there are a lot of Moslems in the US who will not think it is funny....Thwy may put a Fatwah on you....better start watching your back...