Good evening, Democrats

Christine Jennings and her pursuit for the FL-13 moves on in the courts. Now the Orlando Sentinel is saying that their experts are saying that those 18,000 votes would have weighed in favor of Jennings and given her the election.

I always forget the link!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112206S.shtml

Here's a special thanks to all the batty "right wing" shills who weren't afraid to stand up and show people in the country just how batty you really are.

May you have a joyous Christmas also.

nice to have a new thread. thanks.

Another open thread...

But not just another open thread...rather another democratic, people have the power, grassroots rules, 50 state strategy, Howard Dean OPEN THREAD!!

***waving to Dors, Greg, GiG, J, Renee, and the other fine Progressives***

I am in a good tonight and I am going to see "Bobby" in an hour.

did you finally get some rest lizzy?

LizzyBeth, how about a review after you see the movie?

hey not that it matters much but for the first time this year and maybe for the past six years the rasmussen poll has bush approval below 40 and disapproval above 59...that would be 39/60. no big deal but it did warm me up a bit on this chilly night.

Rest I did, Greg!

michmark - Sure I will write a review it might be late night review though.

Good evening Dem's

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Both deals with various theories.Evolution states only theories though with abosolutly no evidence to prove it.Bible creation on the other hand is sriptually based and God's word has no mistakes.Also though some creationists believe is the long day and short day theory.But who knows if they are correct assumptions.I do believe God created the universe.But for the biblical theories I am still doing some reasearch.

To see why radioactive dates are so drastically reduced, consider a simple example of a rock thought by modern calculations to be four billion years old. The four-billion-year figure assumes, however, that the speed of light was the same in the past as it is now and thus that the rate of radioactive decay was the same in the past as it is today. When scientists infer from certain measurements that a considerable amount of radioactive decay has occurred in a rock, they assume that the decay process has always proceeded at today's rate and therefore that billions of years were required for the rock to reach its present condition.

Now we introduce the finding that light traveled much faster in the past—and if light traveled faster in the past, the radioactive-decay process in the rock sample was also proceeding more rapidly in the past. Thus the amount of decay that scientists thought would take four billion years to accomplish is now seen to take only six thousand years.

final proof that man did not evolve from apes:

from the archives of biblical science

Bipartisan Cooperation????????

Bipartisanship" Hides the Real Power Equation That No One Talks About

By David Sirota

Here’s a very simple question to ponder with full stomachs after our Thanksgiving meal: is the real problem afflicting our political system a lack of so-called “bipartisanship” or is it actually too much bipartisanship?

I ask this question honestly, because it seems to me that congressional Democrats believe that, above all, their mandate is to be more “bipartisan.” Out of all the messages coming from them and the professional political elite in Washington (the Serious People as many call them), the call for more “bipartisanship” seems the most crisp. Summing up this call from other Democrats quite succinctly, Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi said, “The American people voted for a new direction to restore stability and bipartisanship to Washington, D.C.”

I’ll admit, that feels soothing for a few minutes. Yes, yes, wouldn’t we all like to go back to that era that actually never occurred to frolick happily through the fields of bipartisanship that never existed. But like the cheap massage chairs you can test out at the mall, the soothing quickly becomes a painful digging and scratching, which is why you don’t buy the chair, why we shouldn’t buy all this rhetoric about a need for more “bipartisanship,” and why only a fool whose brain has rotted from Potomac Fever would actually believe that a country under severe economic distress in a never ending quagmire in Iraq walked into the ballot box and voted primarily on a desire to see Mitch McConnell hug Harry Reid.

Anyone who spends 5 minutes around the halls of power in the nation’s capital knows that Washington is dominated by one party: The Money Party, and that the People Party is far outnumbered - even after this election. Look no further than votes on the bankruptcy bill, the energy bill, the class action bill, China PNTR and NAFTA to figure out which politicians who call themselves Republicans and Democrats actually belong to the Money Party and which politicians actually belong to the People Party. The Establishment pretends this paradigm doesn’t exist - they need the drama of Democrats vs. Republicans to sell newspapers, and more importantly, hiding the existence of the real power equation is in the interest of all the major for-profit corporations that own the media.

Let’s also be honest - this Kabuki Theater is sometimes reinforced by the Netroots and by self-described “progressive” institutions in Washington. There are various reasons for this. Sometimes its just easier to pretend that life is a cartoonish struggle between Blue and Red, with Blue always being Moral and Just, and Red always being Evil. Other times, it is a matter of financial pressures - some of the self-anointed progressive leaders and institutions in Washington are actually very much a part of the Money Party, both in terms of their funding and their ideology.

What this election really was was a surge for the People Party, because so many candidates were elected on anti-Money Party themes (opposition to pay-to-play corruption, opposition to lobbyist-written trade pacts, etc.). This explains why in the election’s aftermath we hear such repetitive calls for “bipartisanship”: they are really repetitive and not-so-hidden attempts to make sure the Money Party that includes both Republicans and Democrats remains dominant and that the election’s mandate is ignored. The thing they really do not want is for the People Party to assert itself against the Money Party.

I hope when Pelosi and other Democrats talk about “bipartisanship” they understand the real partisan divide in Washington, and will use their power to build coalitions of Republicans and Democrats to push the People Party’s agenda. Because doing the opposite - solidifying coalitions of Republicans and Democrats to continue pushing the Money Party’s agenda - is not the “bipartisanship” this country wants or deserves.

To paraphrase Barry Goldwater, I would remind progressives that partisanship in the defense of regular people is no vice, and Washington’s faux bipartisanship in the pursuit of selling out is no virtue.

MarthaA, thanks for the Sirota posting. He "gets it" and passes it on. He is one hard working young man.

Judge after judge was brought in because the ones in court were seen as too fair. They didn’t instantly condemn the defendants (even if only for the sake of the media). The piece de resistance was the final judge they brought in. His reputation vies only that of Chalabi- a well-known thief and murderer who ran away to Iran to escape not political condemnation, but his father’s wrath after he stole from the restaurant his father ran.

I’m more than a little worried. This is Bush’s final card. The elections came and went and a group of extremists and thieves were put into power (no, no- I meant in Baghdad, not Washington). The constitution which seems to have drowned in the river of Iraqi blood since its elections has been forgotten. It is only dug up when one of the Puppets wants to break apart the country. Reconstruction is an aspiration from another lifetime: I swear we no longer want buildings and bridges, security and an undivided Iraq are more than enough. Things must be deteriorating beyond imagination if Bush needs to use the ‘Execute the Dictator’ card.

Iraq has not been this bad in decades. The occupation is a failure. The various pro-American, pro-Iranian Iraqi governments are failures. The new Iraqi army is a deadly joke. Is it really time to turn Saddam into a martyr? Things are so bad that even pro-occupation Iraqis are going back on their initial ‘WE LOVE AMERICA’ frenzy. Laith Kubba (a.k.a. Mr. Catfish for his big mouth and constant look of stupidity) was recently on the BBC saying that this was just the beginning of justice, that people responsible for the taking of lives today should also be brought to justice. He seems to have forgotten he was one of the supporters of the war and occupation, and an important member of one of the murderous pro-American governments. But history shall not forget Mr. Kubba.

Iraq saw demonstrations against and for the verdict. The pro-Saddam demonstrators were attacked by the Iraqi army. This is how free our media is today: the channels that were showing the pro-Saddam demonstrations have been shut down. Iraqi security forces promptly raided them.Welcome to the new Iraq. Here are some images from the Salahiddin and Zawra channels:

Baghdad Burning

is democracy still breaking out in the middle east?

is it like iowa now?

boy bush is a genius.

Greggy;

On the computer all day long....do your parents know?

The Lancet Study.

This has been the longest time I have been away from blogging. There were several reasons for my disappearance the major one being the fact that every time I felt the urge to write about Iraq, about the situation, I'd be filled with a certain hopelessness that can't be put into words and that I suspect other Iraqis feel also.

It's very difficult at this point to connect to the internet and try to read the articles written by so-called specialists and analysts and politicians. They write about and discuss Iraq as I might write about the Ivory Coast or Cambodia- with a detachment and lack of sentiment that- I suppose- is meant to be impartial. Hearing American politicians is even worse. They fall between idiots like Bush- constantly and totally in denial, and opportunists who want to use the war and ensuing chaos to promote themselves.

The latest horror is the study published in the Lancet Journal concluding that over 600,000 Iraqis have been killed since the war. Reading about it left me with mixed feelings. On the one hand, it sounded like a reasonable figure. It wasn't at all surprising. On the other hand, I so wanted it to be wrong. But... who to believe? Who to believe....? American politicians... or highly reputable scientists using a reliable scientific survey technique?

The responses were typical- war supporters said the number was nonsense because, of course, who would want to admit that an action they so heartily supported led to the deaths of 600,000 people (even if they were just crazy Iraqis…)? Admitting a number like that would be the equivalent of admitting they had endorsed, say, a tsunami, or an earthquake with a magnitude of 9 on the Richter scale, or the occupation of a developing country by a ruthless superpower… oh wait- that one actually happened. Is the number really that preposterous? Thousands of Iraqis are dying every month- that is undeniable. And yes, they are dying as a direct result of the war and occupation (very few of them are actually dying of bliss, as war-supporters and Puppets would have you believe).

And it's the deaths. The thousands of dead and dying, with Bush sitting there smirking and lying about progress and winning in a country where every single Iraqi outside of the Green Zone is losing.

Baghdad Burning

Via PoliticalWire, we get SurveyUSA's newest Senator approval ratings:

Of current Republican-held seats up for re-election in 2008, five senators have approval ratings below 50%:

* Sen. Wayne Allard (R-CO), 44%
* Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), 45%
* Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), 46%
* Sen. John Sununu (R-NH), 47%
* Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN), 48%

There are 13 Democrats in the top 20, 5 in the bottom 20.

domingo, i think in 08 we are going to get fat in a good way. as i have written the repukes defend 21 senate seats, we defend 12. i like those odds given that we were at a 15 to 18 disadvantage this year and we picked up 6.

by the way sally=pamurtha in case you weren't hip to the latest dip. funny to see sally all serious and heavy about the big war his moron leader started for no good reason that even he can come up with. oh yeah i'll read whatever sally suggests first thing, i always grant creationists all kinds of credibility, yup them and snake oil salsemen get my full attention...give me a break.

Speaking of reviews, I forgot to review Shut Up and Sing about the Dixie Chicks for fade. There's more to say here's some random thoughts ...

* Despite the fact that the documentary has its roots in a "political" event (Natalie's 10 words about the President during a performance at the Shepherd’s Bush Theatre in London), it's not much about "politics" really. It's much more about the singers, their families, and how the group dealt with adversity.

* Their Music has benefited from the events of the last three years in my opinion. I was fan before I knew Natalie's views on the President's performance in office, but I think their music and lyrics have grown in depth and emotion as a result of the adversity. I do wish the documentary had shown them perform at least one complete song.

* I find it interesting that such a staunch, public defiance at being called traitors and un-American comes from the same American "sub-culture" that took offense to Natalie's statement and branded them traitors. Emily and Martie (sisters) were born in New England but raised in TX. Natalie was born in Lubbock.

I'd say Toby Keith, who put photoshoped pictures on his website of Saddam cuddling Natalie, is lucky he didn't get one Natalie's boots planted in his ass (to paraphrase a song of his).

And I can understand why they're Not Ready to Make Nice

* It's a step up from a Michael Moore documentary, well paced, interesting, inspirational and with a bit more work could have been a great, general release film.

* It's also and example of how the White House has empowered the moonbats on FreeRepublic.

* Buy the DVD and the latest CD. They make great Christmas presents.

Good evening, everyone.

Just passing by after getting the latest news from Iraq. Grim and gory.

I'm not too sure about the theory of evolution at this point either. What do you think of a species that allows a chimp to become the world's most powerful man? Intelligent design run amuck?

So this chimp invades a country with no plan as to what to do when he gets there. He dissolves its security force, leaves the ammo dumps unprotected, and watches as the looters run off with the history museum.

The place naturally breaks down into chaos with innocent people being beheaded, dragged through the streets and hung from bridges, and some being burned alive. This is natural selection and survival of the fittest? I'd rather have the insects running things over in Iraq instead of this chimp.

And it looks like the carnivores are fanning out in the region this weekend with Cheney in Saudi Arabia, Bush in Jordan, al Sadr taking over in Baghdad, and Bin Lauden still vacationing in Pakistan. I don't even want to know where Condi is hanging her hat.

If it wasn't for the innocent lives of 160,000 American troops and the entire civilian population of the region which is being held ransom to Christian, Hebrew, and Islamic jihads, I'd say that it just may be the perfect time for Iran to test their first atomic bomb in the vicinity.

Just think. So many bottom feeders in one place at one time....how could Nature resist such a temptation to right the natural order?

Martha, the Dems will not sell us out. Give them a chance. We don't even get control of Congress till the end of January. Be thankful that someone is talking about getting along with others. Would you like us to break down into chaos, too? Wasn't losing habeus corpus a big enough wake up call?

While Black Friday may be an apt name for the situation we find ourselves in today, I refuse to lose hope. We get back Congress in January. There are enough Homo sapiens still interested in saving the species...and now we will be in a better position to do it and maybe save the Bill of Rights, too.

later.

I agree with you, gregg. If the moron ain't out Iraq by Nov 2008, besides those five senate seats above, we'll pick up 30 more congressional seats and the White House too.

Posted by Frosty-the-Moron on November 24, 2006 at 10:43 PM

Thank you for your, as per usual, useless opinion.

and another 9/11 type event occurs.

See, this is what Republicans are reduced to folks, hoping and praying for another 9/11 attack. They are some really sick bastards.

"Keep fear alive!" That's all the Republicans got. Without a new attack, they got "nada". They'll even tell you so, in so many words.

Bush is the one who won't "take the war on terror seriously". With lies he sends us to Iraq that had nothing to do with it, and tells us he "doesn't care about catching Osama", his old business buddy who did.

Google

In the Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on September 23rd, 2002, the generals called into question a war against Iraq. Committee senators heard testimony from General Joseph P. Hoar, former Commandant of the Marine Corps and the successor to Norman Schwartzkopf as Commander-in-Chief, Central Command. Also testifying were Army General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander, Europe (and now a CNN consultant), Air Force Lieutenant General Thomas McInerny, a Fox news consultant, and Army General John Shalikashvili, former Supreme Allied Commander, Europe and former Chair, Joint Chiefs of Staff.

General Clark cut to the chase and said that Iraq is a distraction from terrorism.....

.....General Clark added that if we were so concerned with going after nation-states with ties to terrorism, why not go after Iran? That country has more links to terrorism than Iraq. He asked the senators to consider this: if we were to attack Iraq, what would be Iran’s response? The answer is not clear, he said. In any case, overthrowing the Baath party in Iraq could create a more intractable problem. He laid out several outcomes. We might see a secular police state replaced by a radical Muslim republic that would be just as inimical to the United States. It is not clear that Iraq would hold together as a single state since its borders were drawn by imperial Western powers at the end of the First World War. And, in that sense, it is an artificial state. A post-Saddam Iraq might see competition between the Sunni, Shi’a, and Wahabi factions of Islam, as well as a struggle by the Kurds in the North for autonomy, and perhaps independence....

http://pweb.jps.net/~gangale/opsa/ir/generals2.htm

domingo, i went outside and checked out the stars which are pretty spectacular tonite.

i come back and the troll is giving the democrats heart felt advice. the troll reminds me of that pointy headed creature with a sealed mouth that the guy sees watching tv in another room while he is trying to convince the evil kid that he didn't mean to offend him in that remake of the twilight zone episode about the kid who put people in the corn field when they were bad. an obscure reference for sure but it was one of those images that stayed with me and the troll is becoming more and more like a cartoon character for me.

the republicans may be eating iraqi pie for a long, long time...this is shaping up as one of the greatest geo-political blunders of all time! bush is gonna finally make it to number one at something!

man south america is overun with collectivizing commies...

S American 12 cut travel red tape
The governments of 12 countries in South America have signed an agreement to allow their citizens to travel between them without passports.
The measure, designed to boost tourism and business activity, allows travellers to cross borders for up to 90 days, with only an identity card.

It was agreed at a meeting of the South American Community of Nations in the Chilean capital, Santiago.

Cooperation will also be extended on other social and political issues.

Visa-free travel "represents a step in our efforts to eliminate our traditional divisions," said Chilean Foreign Minister Alejandro Foxley.

Mr Foxley said that three basic areas were important to boost regional integration - transport, energy, and the reduction of social inequalities.

The countries covered by the new agreement are Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Surinam, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

astoundng good fortune for the meat company that this problem was not discovered until TWO GODDAM DAYS AFTER THANKSGIVING!!...never mind, move along, nothing to see here:

Ohio firm recalls 47,000 pounds of turkey, ham
Updated 11/24/2006 5:47 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) — An Ohio-based company is recalling 46,941 pounds of turkey and ham products that officials fear could cause listeriosis, a potentially fatal disease, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said Friday.
HoneyBaked Foods Inc. is voluntarily recalling the meat, which includes cooked, glazed and sliced ham and turkey, the agriculture department said in a statement.

The meat, produced between Sept. 5 and Nov. 13, may be contaminated with listeria monocytogenes, which can bring about high fever, headaches, neck stiffness and nausea, the USDA said.

Healthy individuals are not usually susceptible to the illness, but it can cause infections to infants, the elderly, or people with HIV or cancer. It can also cause miscarriages.

The meat was sold at the company's retail stores and kiosks around Toledo, Ohio, and to customers across the country over the Internet and through the company's catalogue.

Federal officials consider the situation a high risk to human health, but have not received any reports so far of illness related to the meat products.

well that advice still stands sally.

tomorrow i am demanding that the administrators find us a brighter, more engaging troll. this one is tired, used up goods. it either needs to be reprogrammed or rebuilt or sold off to an automated custodial service...

i mean shit the best the democratic party can do is find us a f_ _ _ ing troll that is a creationist! what's next a militant rosicrucian?

I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving. We have a lot be thankful for. Just the fact that we have food on our table and roof over our heads alone is so much to be thankful. Our great nation also allows us to freely speak our minds, I'm thankful we have freedom of speech. I don't have a lot of money, things are a little rough but I also know they can be much worse. I'm thankful that I have a place to live and food to eat, there are too many people right here at home and around the world that don't know where their next meal is coming from, no place to live, no clean water to drink, no money to see a doctor. We should be thankful that Democrats won this recent election because they reach out to the poor in need. Too many Americans forget this, we have many poor in need right here at home and over the years it has been Democrats who showed compassion by doing things to reach out. Together we can all make a difference. No person should have to go without food, clean water, healthcare, or a place to live. When we stop to think about things like this it's then that we understand how much we are blessed and really have so much to be thankful for. America took a step in the right direction by electing Democrats because they will fight to get things done to benefit everyone and help those in need, something you don't see much of with Republicans. Be thankful Democrats took back congress otherwise things would've got worse if they didn't. God bless and peace to all.

Evening,

This is an historical perspective you ought not to miss:

Howard Zinn on The Uses of History and the War on Terrorism
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But terrorism has supplanted communism as an attempt to get people to do things against their own interests, to do things that will send their own young people to war, to do things that will cause the depletion of the country’s wealth for the purposes of war and for the enrichment of the super-rich. It doesn’t take much thought about terrorism to realize that when somebody talks about a war on terrorism, they’re dealing with a contradiction in terms. How can you make war on terrorism, if war itself is terrorism? Because -- so you respond to terrorism with terrorism, and you multiply the terrorism in the world.

And, of course, the terrorism that governments are capable of by going to war is on a far, far greater scale than the terrorism of al-Qaeda or this group or that group or another group. Governments are terrorists on an enormously large scale. The United States has been engaging in terrorism against Afghanistan, against Iraq, and now they’re threatening to extend their terrorism to other places in the Middle East.

And some history of the use of fear and hysteria and some history of the Cold War and of the anti-communist hysteria would be very useful in alerting people to what we are going through today. I mean, with Iran, for instance, it’s shameful, and the media have played such a part in this, of the Iran nuclear weapon. They want a nuclear weapon. They don’t say they have a nuclear weapon. They want a nuclear weapon. So do I. Yeah, it’s easy to want a nuclear weapon. And small countries that face enormous military powers and who cannot possibly match the military power of these enormous countries, they are following what was the strategy of the United States: the United States said, “We must have a deterrent.” How many times have you heard, when you ask, “Why do we have 10,000 nuclear weapons?” “We must have a deterrent.” Well, they want a deterrent: one nuclear weapon. You know.

www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/24/1442258

Yeah gregg, he's telling me, "Democrats are sure going to be in trouble if there's another 9/11, yes in dee-dee!". It's all this moron's fault we had the first 9/11, because he wanted to lay on his lazy ass at his "ranch" instead of doing his job. If Osama hits us again, who's fault will it be for not catching him this time? Bush already said he doesn't want to "spend time on Osama". It's "hard work" you know, and we all know how much Junior hates "hard work".

hey dpd the woodstock station is pretty good tonite.

I am saying that the Democrats better start to take the war on terror seriously or they will be on the outside looking in faster than you can make a taco.

Posted by FrostyMcCarrots on November 24, 2006 at 11:01 PM

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Democrats do take the war on terror serious, the problem is that Republicans had to lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and lie about trying to link Iraq to 9/11 not to mention Republicans have failed to secure our borders and ports. It's because of all these failed Republican actions we are now less safe and less able to deal with real threats such as Iran and North Korea because many of our troops are in Iraq in the middle of a civil war. It's also because of Iraq why Osama Bin Laden is still free when he should've been captured and brought to justice for all the horrible things he has done a long time ago.

Nancy Pelosi: likely to give Beijing headache

The new Speaker of Congress is known as a critic of China’s human rights record. Chinese media have described her as “very prejudiced”. Taiwan is thrilled.

Beijing (AsiaNews/SCMP) – Chinese media did not go out of its way to cover the American elections, but many agencies are embarrassed by the rise of Nancy Pelosi, known to be passionate about human rights in China. Such is her fervour that some analysts predict friction between Beijing and Washington.

Pelosi, new Speaker of the US House of Representatives, has a long history of open criticism of China over its human rights record. In 1991, in Tiananmen Square, where a student massacre took place in 1989, she managed to unfurl a banner that read "To those who died for democracy in China”. She opposed awarding China “favourite-nation” status (a series of easing up on imports and tariffs. These conditions ended with China’s entry into the WTO). She has consistently demanded the release of political prisoners and opposed Beijing's bid for the 2008 Olympics.

www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7718

ah a nice crowd has assembled with the exception of the troll and its librarianish alter ego--pamurtha...

yup domingo one thing the elections demonstrated this month very clearly is that the voters blame the democrats for the state of the nation...haha

tom, i yearn for the days when we all knew nuclear war would be the end of the humanity and therefore unthinkable and were making some head way towards nuclear non-proliferation. now the biggest kid on the block is encouraging half the world to build a bomb ( india, pakistan...try it you'll like it ) and telling the other half it may bomb them if they try to build one. moral leadership is no longer our strong suit which is a real shame.

China poor worse off but the rich get richer

By Richard McGregor in Beijing

China's poor grew poorer at a time when the country was growing wealthier, an analysis by World Bank economists has found.

The real income of the poorest 10 per cent of China's 1.3bn people fell by 2.4 per cent in the two years to 2003, the analysis showed, a period when the economy was growing by almost 10 per cent a year.

Over the same period, the income of China's richest 10 per cent rose by more than 16 per cent.

Bert Hofman, the bank's lead economist in China, said: "Preliminary analysis on Chinese data indicates that average income of the bottom decile went down slightly between 2001 and 2003, whereas all other income categories saw significant increases.

Yasheng Huang of the MIT Sloan School of Management said that although the bank's finding did not surprise him, he believed that poverty in China could be even worse.

The Chinese defined poverty at a level that understated the size of the problem, at about Rmb650 (€64.40, $82.50, £43.50) a year in income, equal to about 5 per cent of average per capita income, compared to the US benchmark of 12 per cent, he said. "The Chinese definition of the income threshold for poverty is set extremely low," he said.

Rural people are also forced to buy services, such as health and education, in the cities where they are far more expensive, he added.

www.ft.com/cms/s/886583be-7a00-11db-8d70-0000779e2340.html

ahhh, the good news just keeps rolling in now that the republican myth of a dynasty is dead and buried.

good night. see you in the moring:

Energy Firms Come to Terms With Climate Change

By Steven Mufson and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, November 25, 2006; Page A01

While the political debate over global warming continues, top executives at many of the nation's largest energy companies have accepted the scientific consensus about climate change and see federal regulation to cut greenhouse gas emissions as inevitable.

The Democratic takeover of Congress makes it more likely that the federal government will attempt to regulate emissions. The companies have been hiring new lobbyists who they hope can help fashion a national approach that would avert a patchwork of state plans now in the works. They are also working to change some company practices in anticipation of the regulation.

"We have to deal with greenhouse gases," John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil Co., said in a recent speech at the National Press Club. "From Shell's point of view, the debate is over. When 98 percent of scientists agree, who is Shell to say, 'Let's debate the science'?"

time to try smart, dumb didn't work out

moral leadership is no longer our strong suit which is a real shame.

Posted by gregg on November 24, 2006 at 11:54 PM

You said a mouthful brother. Our leader selection process mostly turns up sell-outs. We might do better with public financed elections, with less business involvement.

Nancy Pelosi: likely to give Beijing headache

See, that's the difference between Democrats and Bush. Democrats will stand up to our country's enemies. The Bush crime family sells this country out to anyone who gives them money. They are business partners with the Arabs who attacked us on 9/11. They kiss commie butt in China and Viet Nam, his grand pappy even traded with the Nazis. If you want to be safe, you got to elect Democrats. They're the only ones who won't deliver us to the enemy for 60 pieces of silver.

Posted by Frosty-the-Moron on November 24, 2006 at 12:01 AM

Thank you for your, as per usual, useless opinion.

Gazprom buys Russian tabloid

By Arkady Ostrovsky in Moscow

Published: November 22 2006 02:00 | Last updated: November 22 2006 02:00

Gazprom, the state-controlled gas monopoly, is to buy Russia's biggest circulation newspaper in a move that further extends the group's activities in non-core areas.

The purchase of Komsomolskaya Pravda by Gazprom-Media further tightens the Kremlin's grip on the Russian media. The journalists' union in Moscow said the deal would put more than 90 per cent of media assets in the country into the hands of the state and its affiliated structures. The move attracted strong criticism from a senior government minister who said the company should not waste money on fringe activities.

www.ft.com/home/us

It is a war against a very dangerous enemy, probably the most dangerous this country has ever faced because the enemy has no morals, they honor no treaties and have no homeland to defend. They are interested in killing people and it doesn't matter if they are soldiers or not. Get a clue.

FrostyMcCarrots on November 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM,

Congratulations, frosty, you've finally identified why so many people turned against this republican onslaught to humanity on 7 November 2006. Right on brother. You are the clue!!

FrostyMcCarrots on November 25, 2006 at 12:20 AM,

oooo-ooooo-woooo-woooo! Call me names now! You're pathetic!!! Oh, and that's not a name!!

Posted by Frosty-the-Moron on November 24, 2006 at 12:20 AM

Thank you for your, as per usual, useless opinion.

OK, Russia, China, USA, etc. - the state-business hybrids- get media control and legal control to favor international business over labor. The corporations are moving businesses around between these countries such that they can maximize profit. The labor is thus kept in an economic, suberviant slave position.

Just as businesses can move from state to state in the US to optimize conditions, so the world's states are now cooperatiing to accomodate international big business.

Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaa. Cheney cries for Rummy.

Cheney’s all busted up over Rummy’s sacking

The latest Evans-Novak Political Report suggests the way President Bush fired Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld caused considerable friction in the White House. "Even Vice President Dick Cheney is said to be profoundly disturbed by Rumsfeld's treatment."

"On the day after the election, Rumsfeld had seemed devastated — the familiar confident grin gone and his voice breaking. According to Bush Administration officials, only three or four people knew he would be fired — and Rumsfeld was not one of them."

Posted by DemocratKickingAss on November 24, 2006 at 11:46 PM Democrats do take the war on terror serious

It's been almost a year now since the majority of people in the country seperated the war in Iraq with the war against global extremist organizations. And the number increases every day.

They also realize that Osama Bin Laden represents Islam as much as Timothy McVeigh respresents Christianity.

And when it comes to Iraq itself, they now give this administration it's lowest marks ever

and believe that invading was a mistake in the first place.

Those are only a few of the reasons why they voted Democrats into the majority

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We should be grateful to any Republican who continues to try to link Iraq to 9/11 and to the war on global extremist organizations.

They are doing Democrats a favor.

Posted by TomN on November 24, 2006 at 11:54 PM China's poor grew poorer at a time when the country was growing wealthier, an analysis by World Bank economists has found.

From Communism to laissez-faire capitalism in one generation. Impressive turn around.

They'll settle on something somewhere in the middle though, I think, eventually.

To the Brink

Mr. Rumsfeld said yesterday that he had made the point on several occasions that the war against terrorism "is not a war against a religion."

So did the President.

Number of Muslims in the United States = 2 million

Number of attacks by U.S. Muslims on the U.S. = Zero.

That's a good thing, because we just liberated 20 million Muslims in Iraq.

Ok, Frosty I read the essay.
I agree it is the most important battle the world will probably ever face, but I agree with Domingo 100 percent,Bush has fucked up royally. Iraq was probably the most non religous muslim country in the region and no threat to anyone. Now they are facing the same choice as anyone else under Islamic rule, which is no choice, either their citizens accept Islamic rule or else.
Most of the extremism is born and bred in Saudi Arabia and Bush is still kissing their ass.
And now we have no resources or resolve to deal with the real threat which is Iran.
And if you think that Democrats don't understand this threat you are mistaken. If we do get out of Iraq it will be to face the real threat which Bush has ignored for the last five years.

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

From the United States Department of Defense

Muslim Troops Highlight Nation's Diversity

Uqdah and Al-Mubarak converted to Islam and while on active duty often found themselves with nowhere to turn for religious guidance. For the most part, Muslim chaplains were unheard of in the armed forces. When the two service members left the enlisted ranks, they set out to help their religious brethren in uniform.

Uqdah, a 21-year Marine Corps veteran, today heads the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council, based in Arlington, Va. Al-Mubarak is now an Air Force Reserve second lieutenant and attending the School of Islamic and Social Sciences in Leesburg, Va. Upon completing seminary training in May, he will become the Air Force's first Muslim chaplain.

Muslims in the U.S. military

FORT LEWIS -- Each Friday, soldiers in battle-dress camouflage here remove their boots, face Mecca and prostrate themselves, heads bowed to the carpet in obedience to Allah.

The number of Muslims in the U.S. military is hard to estimate. Estimates vary from 4,000 to more than 12,000. Armywide, Yee knows of at least seven other posts with Muslim chaplains.

Qaseem Uqdah, a former Marine Corps gunnery sergeant who heads the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council in Washington, D.C., counts upwards of 15,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and Coast Guard members.

The average age of U.S. Muslim troops is 21, Uqdah said. Most are married, with one child.

....

Several months ago Abdul-Rasheed Muhammad, asked Islamic scholars to issue a "fatwa," or religions opinion, on the question. The supportive opinion said Muslims have a duty to fight terrorism.

...

"President Bush set the tempo, and each commander sets zero tolerance," Uqdah said. "Religious bias, just like racial and sex discrimination, is not tolerated in the military."

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 01:35 AM

Bernadette, some Christians: some evangelical Christians, some Christian fundamentalists, even some Catholics fear the growing acceptance of Islam in both the U.S. and Europe. To them, it represents a threat to their faith and so they misrepresent Islam.

I would not look for any understanding of Islam in something Doug Grauman has written.

I'd talk to Muslim scholars or some Muslim friends.

Religion has been used a recruiting tool for millenia.

Dorsano, I am not talking about Muslims I am talking about extremism which is just as much of threat to Muslims as it is to anyone else, just like fundmentalists in this country (who believe that homosexuals should be stoned to death) are a threat to Christianity.
Although I will say I do take it personally when the extemists threaten to blow up churches that represent my faith, which they have done.
And I would urge you to read Oriana Fallaci who is not a nut.

Now, after winning the elections of 2006, if Democrats hope to achieve victory in 2008 their next task will be to expose the flaws and weaknesses in Kissingerian political philosophy and the failure of his version of geopolitics and realism. If Democrats can't neutralize him as a viable political force in this country (and it shouldn't be too hard since he is the brainchild of everything that's wrong with America's global strategy right now and there are weaknesses and flaws in his thinking) then Democrats won't win, nothing will change, and the country and the world will continue to get worse.

This is the first step in building the new agenda. Bush's radical neo-conservatism has failed, which leaves Republicans with Kissinger's philosophy. Discredit him and the damage of Nixon and Reagan begins to be undone and newness, vitality, and hope begins to be restored to America.

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 02:12 AM I am not talking about Muslims I am talking about extremism which is just as much of threat to Muslims as it is to anyone else

I figured as much Bernadette, and I apologize if I came off harshly.

When this administration conflated 9/11 with the invasion of Iraq, it legitimized a xenophopia and a dehumanization of Arabs specifically and Muslims in General. In the U.S. Senate, Rick Santorum juxtoposed the words "Islam" and "Fascism" into "Islamofascism" and made it official.

The administration went right to the brink and finally realized that if they declared war on a billion + people around the world, we'd lose. And they called off Hanity, Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, et. al. and told them stop.

Some people haven't. They are still fighting the "past war". They still think Islamophopia can help them win the last election. Or they don't want to admit they were wrong. Or just simply want to stir things up. Or they are simply batty. Who knows?

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But as far as Oriana goes ...

Oriana Fallaci

Oriana was a journalist. Not a Muslim and not an Islamic scholar. Here's what Cathy Young said of Oriana:

Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci’s 2002 book The Rage and the Pride makes hardly any distinction between radical Islamic terrorists and Somali street vendors who supposedly urinate on the corners of Italy’s great cities. Christopher Hitchens, who described the book in The Atlantic as “a sort of primer in how not to write about Islam,” notes that Fallaci’s diatribes have all the marks of other infamous screeds about filthy, disease-ridden, sexually threatening aliens.

Posted by steviethornburg on November 25, 2006 at 02:18 AM Most of you know me as FrostyMcCarrots. I am a troll and I like to disrupt this blog.

Honesty. I guess hell's frozen over.

No wait! This is the evildoer in a James Bond movie who fesses up right when he's about to kill Bond.

He usually gets wacked right after that though.

I agree Oriana does not make any distinctions between the two but some of her assertions are right on.
Extemists in France are petitioning the French govt. to allow them to disregard French rule and allow them to live under Islamic rule alone.
In Italy they funnel their money through Milan, they practice their religion freely and demand to do so but threaten to blow up Catholic churches.
They do not assimilate.
I lived there for a while, it is true, for the most part they don't.
And the Europeans are so afraid of being politically incorrect that they do nothing while their countries are being hijacked.

How to Lose the War on Terror

The American Conservative

One of the striking things about the Iraq War is the extent to which American foreign-affairs professionals—intelligence analysts, diplomats, and high-ranking military officers—recognize it is a tragically misguided venture. Among the most recent to speak out is the CIA officer formerly charged with analyzing Osama bin Laden. Known only as “Anonymous,” he is the author of the new book Imperial Hubris —a scathing look at the way the United States has conducted the War on Terror thus far. TAC editors Philip Giraldi (a CIA veteran with extensive Mideast experience), Kara Hopkins, and Scott McConnell recently visited with the author. Here are excerpts of the conversation.

...

Bin Laden’s genius has been to focus the Muslim world on specific U.S. policies. He’s not, as the Ayatollah did, ranting about women who wear knee-length dresses. He’s not against Budweiser or democracy. The shibboleth that he opposes our freedoms is completely false, and it leads us into a situation where we will never perceive the threat.

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 03:01 AM Extemists in France are petitioning the French govt. to allow them to disregard French rule and allow them to live under Islamic rule alone.

I know. I lived in France for a couple of years myself and we still have friends there. Plus we have friends in Germany.

Those issues though, are different than global terrorism. The violence in France is being conflated with problems in assimilation and with economic issues. The actual cultural assimilation issues are not too far removed from those faced by Jewish and Catholic immigrants here a generation or two ago.

It is true that we have had greater success at assimilating diverse cultures than nations in Europe and they may have a tougher time of it.

No one comes here to live under Sharia law.

Here's something on Islamophobia

And Islamofascism itself.

The use of the term "Islamofascist" by proponents of the War on Terror has prompted some critics to argue that the term is a typical example of wartime propaganda.

"Islamofascism is nothing but an empty propaganda term. And wartime propaganda is usually, if not always, crafted to produce hysteria, the destruction of any sense of proportion. Such words, undefined and unmeasured, are used by people more interested in making us lose our heads than in keeping their own." —Joseph Sobran, syndicated columnist.

The troll is a case in point. I still laughing at his "Imprison the bastards" :)

Posted by FrostyMcCarrots on November 25, 2006 at 03:15 AM There are liberals in the CIA

Yea, and 1/2 the U.S. Army is liberal too. That must scare the poop out of you at night. :)

OK, Frosty. I've kept you company long enough. Time for bed now. Sweet dreams.

Oh, and sweety pie ...

Posted by FrostyMcCarrots on November 25, 2006 at 03:03 AM if you don't think there are American Moslems who are fixing to pull off some great Jehad

You said that, not me. And you seem to think that all 1 billion + of them around the world intend to "pull off some great Jihad".

So I can understand why you have trouble sleeping at night. Have you ever contemplated suicide? We do have a number in MN that you can call if you have.

Posted by dorsano on November 25, 2006 at 03:45 AM Have you ever contemplated suicide? We do have a number in MN that you can call if you have.

And it's most likely staffed by a liberal. :)

It's all sort of like a Twilight Zone episode for you I suppose. :)

I read the link Dorsano, both of them.
It is true that assimilation is probably harder in Europe.
Osama is a genius, I do believe he is making radicals out of Muslims who would not be otherwise.
And that in turn fuels Islamophobia.

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 03:52 AM

Yea, that's how I see it.

Most people in the country have figured out that the invasion of Iraq has not only not helped but made things worse.

What ever disagreement remains is how best to repair the damage and move forward.

Well I don't want to keep you awake, I just looked at the time, it is late but it does worry me because of Iran.
Israel will attack them, they will defend themselves before Iran gets a nuke and then what choice will we have if we are still mired in Iraq.
Good night.

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 03:52 AM I read the link Dorsano, both of them.

Thanks for that, Bernadette. If you're still here, I'm sorry to leave alone. If you've already gone to bed. Good for you. :)

And if you haven't gone to bed yet Dorsano, I am wondering if you are Catholic?
I am taking RCIA classes and there was an interesting comment in my last class.
Someone brought up the point that Catholicism has evolved. That we have done terrible things in the name of religion in the past but the church has evolved.
Maybe there is some of the same thing going on in Islam. Some want to evolve and some don't.
Anyway it sure is different than when I was a kid.

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 04:16 AM And if you haven't gone to bed yet Dorsano, I am wondering if you are Catholic?

Yes I am. And yes I think there are some similarities in that regards. And yes, I think it has to do with the separation of church and state - and by that I'm refering to the rise of the nation state which distanced the Catholic hierarchy from the roles of law maker and law enforcer.

Well I am glad that it has evolved.
I don't want to be religious zombie. Good night, see you tomorrow.

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 04:28 AM Good night, see you tomorrow.

Good night, Bernadette. History doesn't really repeat itself - it does rhyme though. Islam's "evolution" is likely to be different than Catholicism's, but it's reasonable to expect that it can be harmonious.

Also, since Galileo, the Catholic church has produced some excellent scientists: biologists and astronmers - and the Vatican's observatory is first rate.

The Catholic catechism (CCC 390) teaches a topical reading of Genisis not a literal one.

The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents".

So you will hardly be a "religious zombie".

By religious zombie I meant that it seems you are now free to think, to question whereas when I was younger it didn't seem that way at all.
And that it is a free choice given by God, to worship God or not. I will read that in my CCC tomorrow.

Posted by Bernadette on November 25, 2006 at 04:49 AM By religious zombie I meant that it seems you are now free to think, to question whereas when I was younger it didn't seem that way at all.

I know. I just put it in quotes for anyone else reading.

There's been a tension in Catholicism for as long as I've been around - namely that the Pope is infallible in matters of doctrine but that in the end we are alone held accountable by God for our actions (not the Pope or anyone else) - an accountability which requires us to think on our own.

The "infallible" rulings on doctrine by the Papacy are only part of the story about what the Catholic church teaches.

For example, the Church's teaching on contraception have not been "infallibly proclaimed" and there are theologians in the Church who argue that they are wrong.

For my wife and I it wasn't an issue as we used Natural Family Planning (taught by Planned Parenthood) who also taught us how we might increase the odds conceiving a girl or boy if we were so inclined.

Good morning dor

Late night or early morning for you or have you already gone?

goodnight all.

It is all headed for Armegeddon.

And that is as it should be.

FrostyMcCarrots on November 25, 2006 at 04:16 AM,

...which is what Bush meant by, "Bring it on!"

The Koran

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The Elephant
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

[105.1] Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with the possessors of the elephant?
[105.2] Did He not cause their war to end in confusion,
[105.3] And send down (to prey) upon them birds in flocks,
[105.4] Casting against them stones of baked clay,
[105.5] So He rendered them like straw eaten up?

good morning. i see dors has become permanent at that 7/11 on the mid night shift. this will give him time to really build up his paper route. sally not only is a creationist but is now looking foward to the end of times,could sally be reverand haggard?...as i said i will be writing to the administrators requesting that if they can't keep the troll out of here they at least get us one that is not from the 14th century.

Cheney arrives in Saudi Arabia for talks
Vice president meeting with King Abdullah, with Iraq at top of agenda

Updated: 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Vice President Dick Cheney arrived Saturday in Saudi Arabia for talks with King Abdullah, apparently seeking the Sunni royal family’s influence and tribal connections to calm Iraq after an especially violent week.

Cheney’s one-day visit comes at a time of upheaval across the region and as regional diplomatic efforts to calm several potentially explosive situations have foundered.

The Vice President was required to wear a burka as the King found his grimace a bit horrifying and the Royal Dog Sled Team wouldn't stop barking whenever he snarled at them.

cheney takes a stroll at dusk in search of beggars who might trade their heart valves for a few missle launchers

yup, the kind of the zombies is going to lay the groundwork for the dummies visit. this should all yield really big fruit!

The Koran

Abraham

[14.10] Their apostles said: Is there doubt about Allah, the Maker of the heavens and the earth? He invites you to forgive you your faults and to respite you till an appointed term. They said: You are nothing but mortals like us; you wish to turn us away from what our fathers used to worship; bring us therefore some clear authority.
[14.11] Their apostles said to them: We are nothing but mortals like yourselves, but Allah bestows (His) favors on whom He pleases of His servants, and it is not for us that we should bring you an authority except by Allah's permission; and on Allah should the believers rely.[14.12] And what reason have we that we should not rely on Allah? And He has indeed guided us in our ways; and certainly we would bear with patience your persecution of us; and on Allah should the reliant rely.
[14.13] And those who disbelieved said to their apostles: We will most certainly drive you forth from our land, or else you shall come back into our religion. So their Lord revealed to them: Most certainly We will destroy the unjust.[14.14] And most certainly We will settle you in the land after them; this is for him who fears standing in My presence and who fears My threat.
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From The Koran:

These four passages show the disparity of the extremist islamic jihadist, they are not truely voicing Allah's word. By definitiveness, Allah will "destroy the unjust." One cannot come to any other conclusion than that He will have His way with the Islamic extremist, as well as, Christian extremist, because neither is truely representing His just words.

from a wonderful and disturbing piece from the 12/26/06 issue of the new york review of books and reprinted at salon:

...Nearly four years into the Iraq war, as we enter the Time of Proposed Solutions, the consequences of those early decisions define the bloody landscape. By dismissing and humiliating the soldiers and officers of the Iraqi army our leaders, in effect, did much to recruit the insurgency. By bringing far too few troops to secure Saddam's enormous arms depots they armed it. By bringing too few to keep order they presided over the looting and overwhelming violence and social disintegration that provided the insurgency such fertile soil. By blithely purging tens of thousands of the country's Baathist elite, whatever their deeds, and by establishing a muscle-bound and inept American occupation without an "Iraqi face," they created an increasing resentment among Iraqis that fostered the insurgency and encouraged people to shelter it. And by providing too few troops to secure Iraq's borders they helped supply its forces with an unending number of Sunni Islamic extremists from neighboring states. It was the foreign Islamists' strategy above all to promote their jihadist cause by provoking a sectarian civil war in Iraq; by failing to prevent their attacks and to protect the Shia who became their targets, the U.S. leaders have allowed them to succeed.

To Americans now, the hour appears very late in Iraq. Deeply weary of a war that early on lost its reason for being, most Americans want nothing more than to be shown a way out. The President and his counselors, even in the weeks before the election, had begun redefining the idea of victory, dramatically downgrading the goals that were set out in the National Security Presidential Directive of August 2002. Thus Vice President Cheney, asked the week before the election about an "exit strategy" from Iraq, declared that "we're not looking for an exit strategy. We're looking for victory" but then went on to offer a rather modest definition:

"Victory will be the day when the Iraqis solve their political problems and are up and running with respect to their own government, and when they're able to provide for their own security."

This was before Americans had gone to the polls and overwhelmingly condemned the administration's Iraq policies -- with the result that, as one comedian put it, "on Tuesday night, in an ironic turnaround, Iraq brought regime change to the U.S."

good morning david.

the troll has outed itself as a creationist and says it is wishing for the "end of times"...a true bush voter.

Good morning, gregg!!

I couldn't sleep, but maybe with the content of my last two posts, I should have tried harder to sleep? I was so distraught that frosty has begun calling me names (Davie Dumfuq?). Whoa!! HaHaHaHa!! No, not really (distraught that is)!!

what a difference a month makes,

The handwriting on the greenhouse wall
Energy firms coming to accept regulation of warming gases as inevitable
By Steven Mufson and Juliet Eilperin

Updated: 2:25 a.m. ET Nov 25, 2006
While the political debate over global warming continues, top executives at many of the nation's largest energy companies have accepted the scientific consensus about climate change and see federal regulation to cut greenhouse gas emissions as inevitable.

The Democratic takeover of Congress makes it more likely that the federal government will attempt to regulate emissions. The companies have been hiring new lobbyists who they hope can help fashion a national approach that would avert a patchwork of state plans now in the works. They are also working to change some company practices in anticipation of the regulation.

"We have to deal with greenhouse gases," John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil Co., said in a recent speech at the National Press Club. "From Shell's point of view, the debate is over. When 98 percent of scientists agree, who is Shell to say, 'Let's debate the science'?"

so the point of this piece is corporations care not for facts, they do things that are in the people's interest only if there are sanctions for not doing so. i say more regulation all the time for all of them!

gregg on November 25, 2006 at 08:13 AM,

Yep, and then they cry and whine when they are hit in the faceless face with regulations. They say the regulations will cause higher prices for their goods, inflation, stagnant wages, loss of jobs, etc. Fear, fear, fear, that's how the bourgeois class controls the masses.

hey david the troll is getting battier and battier. i am now imagining it ( i mean given that most of us have never met in person one creates images of people of some sort even if it is just a mental picture of the location they are from ) anyhow the troll has become a cartoon character for me. its stuff is so extreme and caracitured this is a natural progression. it is pathetic that the dnc can't get rid of it but then with the election results we got this month trolls seem funnier for some reason...

capatilism is a great tool but unregulated it will destroy the planet and everything on it...kind of like:

out of control

gotta check on the pooch david. it's deer season here and she was trying on a pair of antlers last night which has me concerned.

BELFAST, Northern Ireland(AP) The Protestant extremist who triggered a dramatic evacuation of the Northern Ireland Assembly was charged Saturday with attempting to murder five people, including Sinn Fein leaders Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness.

Michael Stone, who was tackled by security officers Friday at the entrance to Stormont Parliamentary Building, was arraigned in Belfast Magistrates Court on five charges of attempted murder. He also was charged with possession of weapons for terrorist purposes, including several nail bombs and an ax. Detectives pressed the attempted murder charges against him after interrogating him overnight at the police's main interrogation facility in Antrim, west of Belfast. He was ordered held without bail until his next scheduled court appearance Dec. 22.

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Extremum Et extremum!! Islamic, Christian, Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, the name does not matter. It is the act of such that is against the just words of God or Allah, and that is where religion should be helping to put out the fires, not fan them.

gregg on November 25, 2006 at 08:24 AM,

I think it's called vindication. Twelve years of being extrapolated by these wing nuts I now find a sense of ease in my mental abilities.

Trying on a set of antlers? Oh, no, not in the woods in NY. At least until January!!

Sorry, gregg, I just reread your post again about the pooch. Just lookin' for a little doe, huh?

so david you are job hunting soon? what do you do?

Have a goodmorning gregg, et al!! Time now to SSS, that is shit, shower, and shave. Then maybe something to eat. See ya.

It is a war against a very dangerous enemy, probably the most dangerous this country has ever faced because the enemy has no morals, they honor no treaties and have no homeland to defend. They are interested in killing people and it doesn't matter if they are soldiers or not. Get a clue.

Posted by FrostyMcCarrots on November 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM

I get the clue. It's a religious war. The PNAC with it's help of our clueless, power hungry president & his clan, has amplified it. w is merely a pawn in the big scheme of things.

We better secure our borders. That expensive fence ain't gonna do it.

take care david.

When Votes Disappear

As far as I can tell, the reason Florida-13 hasn't become a major national story is that neither control of Congress nor control of the White House is on the line. But do we have to wait for a constitutional crisis to realize that we're in danger of becoming a digital-age banana republic?

jauq, you have the best concept...interact with the troll when it is not here. this is a method i have useful in alot of relationships.

Dems want to see citizen-monitoring database

gregg on November 25, 2006 at 08:53 AM,

I'm searching for that entry-level marketing position that will allow me to utilize some of the skills I learned from my BA degree, as well as my transferable skills from 24 years of employment in retail and manufacturing environs.
Specifically, I need employment with more traditional hours than the employment that I have (had). Being a single parent is not an easy task. But it is even more difficult when my child has had to be woke up from a warm bed at three or four in the AM and brought home to finish his slumber and prepare for school. Thanks for asking. I need a shower. See ya.

good luck david. you are covering alot of bases.

Hiya, gg.

I've not been online for a day. ;P He reads when he comes on.

As far as relationships go, the carpenter is upstairs cooking breakfast, then taking me tree shopping, and while I'm singing Christmas carols decorating, he will go stake out the woods for some deer. He brought 4 sets of horns & 3 skulls to decorate the breezeway & G-d's Acre out back. Between the two of us, my gardening & his hunting, we shouldn't go hungry.

ummm, yummy

USDA approves genetically engineered rice found last summer

David,

Best of luck finding employment.

no but you could get hurt falling into a set of antlers.

Posted by gregg on November 24, 2006 at 11:28 PM

Oh Great!

I'm off for the day.

Everyone, enjoy yours.

In the news at Yahoo:

Shadow Company Part II. Will the world privatize peace? Or, has it already done so?

Why should I care?

did eisenhower ride a bike?

Bush transforms into avid mountain biker By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Nov 23, 2:37 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Swapping his running shoes for bicycle pedals,
Even with elections looming, the cyclist-in-chief made time earlier this month for his ritual mountain biking on weekends. He changed into biking clothes and muddied up his newest ultra-pricey mountain bike given him by a manufacturer, a $5,000 Cannondale with a custom red, white and blue paint job. The 2007 model was put in his hands even before it had been shipped to stores.

Such a passion it is: he also went biking Thursday while spending the Thanksgiving holiday at his mountaintop retreat in Camp David, Md.

...this is a great comfort to us all...what a douchebag!

Good morning, all.

It is a war against a very dangerous enemy, probably the most dangerous this country has ever faced because the enemy has no morals, they honor no treaties and have no homeland to defend. They are interested in killing people and it doesn't matter if they are soldiers or not. Get a clue.

Posted by FrostyMcCarrots on November 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM

Boy, do you have those neocon Republicans pegged. I'm glad you finally came to your senses.

Those multinationals don't believe in borders only the ruling class. Was it the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) signed last year by Canada, Mexico and The United States (without Congressional knowledge or approval) that made you see the light?

Or was it the failed and humiliating occupation? Or the NSA spying, domestic torture bill, or the loss of habeus corpus (and probably gun control next)? I know you never believed they were moral to begin with, so it couldn't have been the Foley scandal. But then there's a lot of other conservative Republicans fed up with the domestic and foreign policy agendas of the GOP these days...they only address the needs of the super-rich who aren't even Americans.

But you've come to the right place for political and reality-based rehab. Now if we could only do something about your bigotry and sexism. I have hope for you yet, Frosty. Welcome. It's taken three years, but you're finally on the right track.

Keep reading our links. Reality and the truth are the best remedy for what ails you.

Posted by gregg on November 25, 2006 at 09:49 AM

When are they going to take off his training wheels?

Posted by Denimblue on November 25, 2006 at 09:43 AM

Denimblue,

Whenever superpowers resort to mercenaries they are already on the decline.

The first time I heard we were using them was at the start of the current fiasco in Iraq. A troll came on line late one night and explained how the whole thing works. He had no illusions about who he actually worked for and what they wanted to accomplish...and it wasn't victory in Iraq.

Most American still think they are privatized companies, if they know about them at all.

sandy, not white he is president. laura keeps taking him to these big hills and telling him she will hold on to the back of the bike but she never does, she just pops the tab of a 40 and laughs as he goes screaming downhill in panic.

the good news here is that something will happen with regard to global warming. the thing that pisses me off is that shell wouldn't be doing this if the republicans had held congress. so let's not have any bullshit about corporate social responsibility and regulate their asses till the cows come home.

...The Democratic takeover of Congress makes it more likely that the federal government will attempt to regulate emissions. The companies have been hiring new lobbyists who they hope can help fashion a national approach that would avert a patchwork of state plans now in the works. They are also working to change some company practices in anticipation of the regulation.

"We have to deal with greenhouse gases," John Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil Co., said in a recent speech at the National Press Club. "From Shell's point of view, the debate is over. When 98 percent of scientists agree, who is Shell to say, 'Let's debate the science'?"...

Posted by SandyH on November 25, 2006 at 10:02 AM

SandyH,

Sure would like to see that troll's post. Would it be in the archives?

denimblue ...it was late last night. these folks seem to have forgotten about hitler and the nazi's. they have also forgotten the scientific method, the bill of rights and the ten commandments....but then that is why we call them trolls....

SandyH,

I would ask anyone who thinks they favor privatizing government functions this:

Do you really want your boss to run the jail?
Do you really think your boss is smart enough to defend you freedoms from enemies?
Did you vote for your boss to do that?

Posted by gregg on November 25, 2006 at 07:50 AM

gregg,

You get the feeling that push has come to shove. Why else would all the top bananas be in the Middle East at the same time? I hope they haven't decided to bomb Iran. I don't see any way for them to get out of the fiasco in Iraq, so a diversionary war in Iran seems to be their only move at this point.

Posted by SandyH on November 25, 2006 at 10:34 AM

SandyH,

I disagree. There is no shortage of chutzpah in the current bunch of top bannanas. They only need to declare the Iraqi's are fully trained and leave.
Chutzpah enough?

Posted by Denimblue on November 25, 2006 at 10:12 AM

Yes, Demimblue. The posts would be in the archives. One night he talked to several of us for hours. It was right after the invasion. I was surprised that so much was being privatized. I don't think he ever came back. Sorry I can't remember the date or the name he used.

RE: Here's a special thanks to all the batty "right wi