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Holiday Open Thread

Posted by on December 23, 2006 at 08:07 PM

Chat away...

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Happy holidays to everyone.
Have fun and stay safe.
Enjoy your family and friends.

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dk2 on December 23, 2006 at 08:36 PM

Good Evening Fighting Dem's..Sat. nitr and all is still....

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goodfoe on December 23, 2006 at 08:37 PM

Merry Christmas to my Christian friends on the DNC blog. As a member of the Jewish community, I wish you the blessings of your sacred season.

Your friend,

pear

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pear on December 23, 2006 at 09:15 PM

new thread. good idea. thank you. skys real clear here in hudson valley.

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gregg on December 23, 2006 at 09:15 PM

good evening, everyone

pear, that was a beautiful greeting. Happy Hanukkah to you

just peeking in to wish you all the best the season brings...good company, good food and drinks and some beautiful music...

i'm thankful to each of you for giving me a place to go, where everybody knows your name...

but wondering why it's taken so long to get everything ready...perhaps i should have started earlier...this is going to be a late one...

bbl

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fade2bluz on December 23, 2006 at 09:56 PM

Merry Christms, everyone. And Happy Holidays to all others.

Japan reads into 'Letters From Iwo Jima'

The film is stirring debate as the nation mulls rewriting its pacifist constitution.

By Jason Miks | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

TOKYO – About halfway through a showing of "Letters From Iwo Jima" - Clint Eastwood's epic about Japan's futile stand during the World War II battle - a 30-something Japanese salaryman takes off his glasses to wipe away the tears from his eyes. He does this several times during the movie, the first time after a young American soldier dies.

Told from a Japanese perspective, the film recounts the 36-day struggle for an island the soldiers were led to believe was essential for the survival of their homeland, but which ended up costing more than 20,000 Japanese lives...

"Japan needs to have a discussion with its people about what sort of nationalism it wants," says Steven Clemons, founder of the Japan Policy Research Institute. He believes this discussion must include the younger generation of Japanese.

The decision to cast Kazunari Ninomiya, better known for his role in the pop band Arashi, may have been with a view to broadening the movie's appeal to a younger audience in what is the second-largest movie market in the world.

"I thought the movie was very good," says Kenji Tanigaki, a young viewer. "But it was sad to see so many people dying for no reason. I don't think I could do what they did."

//www.csmonitor.com/2006/1222/p11s02-almo.html

There is a good question being posed by the Japanese about what direction they want their country to go in. The movie, "Letters from Iwo Jima," is invoking a public debate that should be happening in our country, too.

We were forced into a nationalistic frenzy after 9/11 and now we are stuck with an Iraqi occupation that leaves 70% of us angered that Bush stole our patriotism and made it into something ugly.

The media now acknowledges it, but Bush does not. Yet the media will not explore the question any further. I don't think sending more troops to Iraq without debating what their deployment is suppose to accomplish makes any sense. And what does this country now represent and is it what we all want it to be?

The Japanese are facing their demons. When will we do the same? What kind of nationalism do we want?

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SandyH on December 23, 2006 at 10:07 PM

Holiday greetings to all...

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salutetheDems on December 23, 2006 at 10:07 PM

but wondering why it's taken so long to get everything ready...perhaps i should have started earlier...this is going to be a late one...

bbl

Posted by fade2bluz on December 23, 2006 at 09:56 PM

fade,

How many women have said that through the years? There is never enough time especially when you want to enjoy the season a little as you go along.

I'm just peeking in, too. Back to baking and decorating the tree with the kids. My husband is snug in his bed battling off the flu. Please let him feel better tomorrow.

later.

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SandyH on December 23, 2006 at 10:12 PM

SandyH: Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" is in the DVD stores. I also saw it on Amazon.com for $19.99. You've still got time to get this for a gift!

Posted by cam58 on December 23, 2006 at 05:54 PM

Thank you. You've made my day, cam58. I'll have to brave the hordes tomorrow and get that last perfect gift. I had no idea it was released already.

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SandyH on December 23, 2006 at 10:20 PM

Too bad that Nancy Pelosi has already demonstrated that she prefers the same ole, same ole, status quo as opposed to reform, when it comes to the C-SPAN request for their own cameras in Congress. Those roving TV cameras would do the same for Congress that it does for kids on a school bus...it keeps them on their toes and best behavior.

Does anyone truly believe that Congress doesn't owe the public much more maturity and professionalism than they are now afforded and provide?

http://www.elpasotimes.com/election/ci_4887745

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Robson on December 23, 2006 at 10:46 PM

Too bad that Nancy Pelosi has already demonstrated that she prefers the same ole, same ole, status quo as opposed to reform, when it comes to the C-SPAN request for their own cameras in Congress. Those roving TV cameras would do the same for Congress that it does for kids on a school bus...it keeps them on their toes and best behavior.

Does anyone truly believe that Congress doesn't owe the public much more maturity and professionalism than they are now afforded and provide?

http://www.elpasotimes.com/election/ci_4887745

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Robson on December 23, 2006 at 10:49 PM

fade2bluz on December 23, 2006 at 09:56 PM,

Cheers!!

...and to all a Goodnight!

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davidual on December 23, 2006 at 11:04 PM

Merry Christmas

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dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 12:07 AM

and to you dixie. be back in the a.m.

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gregg on December 24, 2006 at 12:20 AM

Best of the holidays to all at DNC and to Howard and Judy Dean and kids. Howard Dean did a good job for the DNC and for our party this year.

Here are some very kind words some Canadian bloggers said about him when he spoke in Montreal. They were impressed, even though some did not want an American speaking. He should be proud of the impression he made. The video of the speech is at the end of the post.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/832

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sunny on December 24, 2006 at 12:56 AM

Next year I'm going to get all my Christmas presents before summer is over. Put them in a nice bag somewhere - safe and sound where I won't forget where they are - so they're all ready to go.

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 12:59 AM

Posted by sunny on December 24, 2006 at 12:56 AM Here are some very kind words some Canadian bloggers said about him when he spoke in Montreal.

Hey, Sunny. Thanks for posting that. I wish the portions of speech that he gave in French weren't voiced over. But you're right, he did an awesome job representing the United States. I hope someone puts the complete speech, without voice over, up at uTube.

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 01:22 AM

dorsano
Every year I promise myself to buy gifts early, and every year I run around at the last minute.

I agree it has been a good year from Dems!!

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dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 01:37 AM

John Kerry When Resolve Turns Reckless via EZ writer at dkos.

No one should be looking for vindication in what is happening in Iraq today. The lesson here is not that some of us were right about Iraq or that some of us were wrong. The lesson is simply that we need to change course rapidly rather than perversely use mistakes already made and lives already given as an excuse to make more mistakes and lose even more lives.

....

When Churchill urged, "Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never -- in nothing, great or small, large or petty, never give in," he added: "except to convictions of honour and good sense."

This is a time for such convictions.

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 01:50 AM

Posted by dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 01:37 AM I agree it has been a good year from Dems!!

Yea. It's been interesting watching all this close up for the last 1/2 decade. Watching people become so concerned that they get up and out and become engaged in the political process, watching elected's change their posture, watching the mainstream media respond to events, and watching voters vote in new leadership in a big way.

To see it all come together in a significant way in one election cycle was great.

It was a great year for the country.

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 02:01 AM

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani is a "Moderate"

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A U.S.-backed plan to form a political coalition of Iraq's Shiites, Sunni Arabs and Kurds - a glimmer of hope in a nation torn by sectarian violence - failed to win the crucial support of the top Shiite cleric Saturday.

Lawmakers who presented the plan to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in the holy city of Najaf said they were told the unity of Shiites, who have the largest bloc in parliament, had to come first.

From Juan Cole

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 02:31 AM

BooMan's getting pissed at progressive politics -- conducted Ann Coulter style.

I am not much of an admirer of Hillary Clinton and I certainly am an opponent of her campaign for the 2008 nomination. But that has to do with my distaste for the Democratic Leadership Council and their brand of politics. I am beginning to get pissed off at the crap people are spewing about her. Howard Kurtz has noticed too.

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 02:39 AM

America the Beautiful Employees of Wisconsin firm get fat checks from founder

MILWAUKEE - George Plehn and a number of fellow workers at Generac Power Systems Inc. expressed shock this week after getting checks for thousands of dollars from the founder of the company and his wife as the year-end holidays approached.

"My jaw dropped when I saw'' a check for $31,000 in the mail, Plehn, who has worked for the firm in nearby Waukesha for 19 years, said Thursday.

"This was a huge amount of money for something that wasn't really necessary.

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 02:46 AM

Merry Christmas,..Happy Hanukkah...It is my wish that all of you enjoy your holiday with friends and family and that we have Peace....

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 06:58 AM

"Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those who have His good will!"

Luke 2:14

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Esmeralda on December 24, 2006 at 07:12 AM

Sale Ending Voting Machine Probe

A major voting machine company owned by Venezuelan investors said Friday it plans to sell its U.S. subsidiary, ending a federal investigation into questions of possible ties between the company and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

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Esmeralda on December 24, 2006 at 07:15 AM

Good morning, goodfoe. Thank you for the well wishes.

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Esmeralda on December 24, 2006 at 07:19 AM

good morning esmeralda and goodfoe and dorsano and dixie hen...there is a spectacular sunrise happening here right now. lots of pink and purple and yellow green light coming thru intermittent cloud cover...gotta decat the house today as guests are coming that are allergic...so the "boys" will be living out back in the little studio while the big black pooch gets to clean up anything that drops here in the house christmas eve and day.

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gregg on December 24, 2006 at 07:20 AM

Sen. Byrd Leads 'Senior' Democrats

Forget all that talk about 40 being the new 30. Democratic members of Congress seem intent on demonstrating that 80 is the new 70 _ or perhaps even 60.

The senior Democrats ready to take power when the new Congress comes to order in January are nothing if not, well, senior.

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Esmeralda on December 24, 2006 at 07:21 AM

A Holiday Greeting to All of our troops around the world....thank you for your service to our country

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 07:24 AM

Good morning to you too, gg. Sounds like you have a day of fun planned as well.

Due to mother's illness, we are having our family Christmas at my sister's home. (having 4 children, she has a huge house!) Dinner is at 4 p.m. today. The carpenter will get to meet my younger brother & his family, as well as 3 nieces. The rest of the family are getting to know him. Since he's from the big city, nobody around here knows him. No past to ruin the goods, so to speak. ;)

I need only take a few prepared dishes, a couple of tables and help with the clean up. Tomorrow I will have my parents and daughters w/ their bfs (I'm an instant grandmother now...the one bf has a 4 year old daughter) over for dinner.

I think I'll go wake the carpenter up so we can enjoy that spectacular sunrise you are experiencing.

BBL

Peace & Love to all!

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Esmeralda on December 24, 2006 at 07:31 AM

Good norning Esmeralda and Gregg...you guys are up early this am...ess thanks for the quote...Gregg...so the cats get put out but the pooch stays in the house?...sounds like my house...

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 07:31 AM

Mornin' y'all

Don't know why but sometimes my posts get blocked - says I'm not authorized to post?

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dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 07:39 AM

Well, now it seems to be working alright

Greg - sounds like a wonderful day is coming your way. Sure hope your cats take to decatting better than mine.

Goodfoe - good wishes back to you.

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dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 07:42 AM

Two more soldiers died yesterday, at the recent pace we will see 3,000 American deaths just after the first of the year. Bush's solution is to delay any announcement about policy. The talking heads have condemned the Iraq Study Groups effort and we are hearing more and more of a "surge" in tropps. This is not a strategy, policy or even a new way forward it's a recipe for more American deaths in Iraq. Bush is treating Iraq like a game where winning is the only goal the only problem with this is war is not a game. Bush has so screwed up in Iraq winning is not an option anymore no matter how much he may will it to be.

Bush has never had any intention of leaving Iraq he is building a fortified Embassy the size of a small city and permanent military bases. That's the true reality of Bush's new way forward it's "stay the course" with a new title.

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wldj on December 24, 2006 at 07:50 AM

best to you all. the studio is heated dixie and we keep going back bringing them tidbits and petting them and so on. they act quite insulted as cats often so but they sleep together and after a few days the company leaves but the cats keep going back there thinking it's home and who knows, maybe happy they don't have to put up with our television watching....then they move back into the house and we go back to in and out, in and out, not this food, not that, not now later....you know...they get bossy.

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gregg on December 24, 2006 at 07:51 AM

wldj, the american people let a self centered, arrogant, nasty clown take over their country and my only hope is that it will be an experience that gets burned into the nations collective memory and we never impose such a disaster on oursleves or the rest of the world again.

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gregg on December 24, 2006 at 07:54 AM

I would be very surprised if GW's big new plan, does not include more troops to Baghdad. It seems MSM has forgotten we already tried this plan and only created more violence. Additional troops will have to come from National Guard and extended duty, repeat tours. Why doesn't he just come out announce his new "stay-the-course" plan?

Possibly he doesn't want to be the Grinch who stole Christmas, but it doesn't bother him that he's the Grinch who created the d**n mess

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dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 08:08 AM

gregg the new Congress has to find a way to reign in the Bush Administration. If they don't do it soon the next 2 years will just be a continuation of our national nightmare Bush has inflicted on us. Placing more troops in Iraq is like throwing gasoline on a fire and I'm afraid that is what will happen. Bush is more concerned with his so-called "legacy" than he is in protecting the country and our armed forces. Bush, Cheney, Rice and others in the Administration refuse to accept the reality that they have failed and continue to say we will win despite the facts on the ground. We need real leaders not idealogues who make up their own reality to suit their vision of the world.

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wldj on December 24, 2006 at 08:08 AM

Good morning dixiehen and wldj..."The Boss" and ny big black dog want to go out now ...Later..

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 08:10 AM

wldj - I agree we need leaders not idealogues. I am hoping all these senior dems will still have plenty of spitfire in them and come out with investigations and demand accountings.

I'm afraid our military leaders are not going to go against this folly. Resignation seems to be their only way out. I sure wish they had the balls to stand up and speak out against "stay-the-course" because we are not winning, but we are not losing - so what the hell, let's call it a tie and come home.

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dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 08:18 AM

bbl

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dixiehen on December 24, 2006 at 08:33 AM

good morning, {{{gentlebloggers}}}

from New Orleans, o Holy Night

for those who mourn

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fade2bluz on December 24, 2006 at 08:44 AM

Sale Ending Voting Machine Probe

A major voting machine company owned by Venezuelan investors said Friday it plans to sell its U.S. subsidiary, ending a federal investigation into questions of possible ties between the company and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Posted by Esmeralda on December 24, 2006 at 07:15 AM

Good morning all

Lord, who else are our voting machines tied to?

Gotta run, having fun. Harry Connick blasting away "This Christmas" and gotta get ribs ready for grill (ethnic thing along with Turkey/Ham) and of course Sweet Potato Pie. We'll get to Nancy Wilson doin' gospel of Silent Night/Holy Night - Praise the Lord!

check ya tonight.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 08:47 AM

Good morning and Season's Greetings to you all.

I have become more cautious at using Merry Christmas now, since 3 Buddists moved in across the street from me, and the gal 2 houses down just got the best Christmas present, her husband and 2 children finally were given clearance to join her in the USA from Africa, (which she has been trying to accomplish for years.) They celebrate Kwanzaa, but my husband is going to stop tonight anyways once he gets in his Santa outfit!

I have my huge Open House this evening, and am pretty well organized. Cooked all day yesterday, and today have the 60 baked stuff shrimp to make, and cook a 16.60 lb Rib roast and ham. (please don't let me overcook that roast!)

To all of you I wish nothing but the Merriest of Holidays, and a Happy Healthy New Year.

Back to the battle of the 2008 elections next week!

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PamB on December 24, 2006 at 09:21 AM

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave

I love these words because they remind me that we Americans may be both free to practice whatever religion, faith or culture we desire and because they remind me that we are brave enough to allow all these freedoms regardless of what irrational fears may lay beneath the surface.

In recent years I have been appauled by the racism and attempted denial of freedoms in the United States. There has also been a marked lack of bravery on the part of media as it gives into racist demands made against Muslims of all backgrounds and for a while against Frenchmen simply because France would not be fooled by propaganda on the eve of the Iraq invasion.

Racism is alive and well in this country and we will smash it along with those who practice it. The next time we hear a politician make some racist comment regarding what book or what freedom a member of our community should be allowed to practice, I expect him or her to be silenced. It ends now.

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Marine on December 24, 2006 at 09:36 AM

Happy Holidays.

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Marine on December 24, 2006 at 09:36 AM

Good morning Fade...I hope every thing is well with you this am....
Pam...thx for thee good wishes....a 16.6 rib roast....WOW!!!

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 09:37 AM

Marine...Good morning ...good post...hope you are well and doing ok...Happy Holidays to you.....

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 09:42 AM

To all you Good boys and girls out there in DNC-land. Don't forget your letter to Santa. New to Santa's site this year (to us anyway) is a time line of when Santa will be in your "neck of the woods", as well as a nosecam. Check it out! Merry Christmas to all, and a very Happy Hew Year!

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davidual on December 24, 2006 at 10:22 AM

Rib Roast, hm ....sounds delicious. Could never get anyone in my houselhold to appreciate good beef. Have to go to my parents for that. Course maybe it can be attributed to living in the rural deep south. Ethnic dishes still rule and traditions die hard (like chitterlings for Christmas).

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J on December 24, 2006 at 10:31 AM

Wishing ALL a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

While I may no longer be posting, many of you mean a great deal to me, and for that I wish to say "THANK YOU".

PEACE AND JOY to you and yours.

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Robert_Burnsey_Koenig on December 24, 2006 at 12:07 PM

Merry Christmas to one and all fellow dems.

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ap215 on December 24, 2006 at 12:14 PM

I'm reading 1776 by David McCullough right now and I find the paralells between Britain in that time and the United States in this time both stunning and sickening. Britain basically lost that war, not because it lacked the ability to win but because British society at the time suffered from a major superiority complex which prevented those who considered defeat possible and therefore planned to prevent it from ever being heard. Never underestimate your oponent, it's the cardinal rule of war that Britain violated in 1776 and it's one the Bush administration violates daily.

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Marine on December 24, 2006 at 12:41 PM

and the same to you burnsey.

john kerry writes about iraq and puts things in their proper perspective. i still say he is the most qualified candidate for president we have:

kerry on iraq

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gregg on December 24, 2006 at 12:59 PM

Being social animals we humans tend to promote people to positions of power who appear to be best suited to handling those leading societies similar to our own. Both Iran and Palestine have raised to power individuals and organizations who appear to be as aggressive in their approach to diplomacy and warfare. This, however, only occured after the United States chose war in Iraq over continued diplomacy and after President Bush failed to uphold our promise to assist Israel and Palestine in maintaining peaceful relations.

Iran was with us in Afghanistan and never should have been put into a position in which they would feel threatened and so justified in their decision to raise such a radical individual as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to power. Our conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq just happen to border on opposite sides of Iran. Being squeezed as they are between these two conflicts most certainly frightens the nation of Iran.

We've seen Bush make absolutely no attempt to bring Israeli and Palestinian leaders together for continued talks. Instead Bush takes sides with Israel and refuses to talk with Palestine due to a political decision not made until January 2006. Between 2003, when the cease-fire was first violated, and January 2006 Bush did nothing to encourage peace between the two nations.

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Marine on December 24, 2006 at 01:00 PM

Prisoners Denied Spiritual Gifts At Christmas From Churches In Clear Violation Of Some Past Court Rulings

One legal outrage is that some prisoners are not allowed to receive Bibles, books or other spiritual items this Christmas from churches because of unconstitutional "mail restrictions" at some jails and prisons. Prisoners have clearly been given the constitutional right to seek and receive both spiritual and legal help. Yet unconstitutional restrictions violate their rights in some areas this Christmas.

Some churches offer special free programs for prisoners including free self help programs, books, Bibles or educational study programs, and other rehabilitation programs, yet their efforts are unconstitutionally blocked in some areas. For many prisoners the only educational programs available are from churches or religious programs, as no prison funded educational programs exist in some areas for those who cannot read or write or want to learn skills for a job on the outside.

PROGRESSIVE VALUES

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PaulSHooson on December 24, 2006 at 01:37 PM

I'm reading 1776 by David McCullough right now and I find the paralells between Britain in that time and the United States in this time both stunning and sickening. Britain basically lost that war, not because it lacked the ability to win but because British society at the time suffered from a major superiority complex which prevented those who considered defeat possible and therefore planned to prevent it from ever being heard. Never underestimate your oponent, it's the cardinal rule of war that Britain violated in 1776 and it's one the Bush administration violates daily.

Posted by Marine on December 24, 2006 at 12:41 PM

Awesome read isn't it. And yes it so aptly applies today.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 01:48 PM

Marine

The class system has always been the Achilles heel of the British. They just cannot get past slotting/pegging folks into categories. The higher up the food chain one's station is, the more inset is the attitude of superiority. It is just amazing how this nation kept their thumb on countries like Africa and India for over a century.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 01:52 PM

A quick flyby to wish all past and present Dem KA bloggers a very happy, merry celebration. I am going to my sister's tonight for the traditional Italian fish, mushroom stew and rice balls and tomorrow it's prime rib, scalloped oysters, creamed onions and spicy greens and about 4 other side dishes with mashed garlic potatos at our house. Off to soak in the tub. I just hope my oven will hold it all.

Stay safe.

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Cyn_NY on December 24, 2006 at 02:05 PM

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave

Posted by Marine on December 24, 2006 at 09:36 AM

Thank You so much from those of us that preach the virtues of tolerance. I pray that 2007 brings a different attitude and bigger tolerance to this country when it comes to race, religion, sex and gender. This year of 2006 has been appalling and atrocious as to how the citizens of this country have behaved toward their fellow man.

There are some on this blog that would rather not see discourse and discussion on the racism, bigotry and discrimination that is so infested into this country, BUT it will always have a firm grip on society as long as it is not openly and bluntly discussed.

Bottom line: This is the United States of America not Disneyland/Disney World. Fantasy just ain't gonna cut it.

Never liked Disney anyway.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 02:06 PM

Sounds good Cyn. Have fun

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J on December 24, 2006 at 02:08 PM


"Hurry! Hurry!” the pug reich said.
We got to pay the spuds to prank.
Tell them to broadcast stealing x-mas
And herald our fund drive to our goal,
to our goal!

Oh what fun it is to lie and con the parixh lemmings tonight!
Scare them to thinking some grench is,
Stealing Christmas all over again!!
All over again!!

Ha, ha, ha, the pug riech sang!
Counting Millions today!
Our X-tian church is rich today
to pull another prank next day!


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HybridFuel on December 24, 2006 at 03:32 PM

Posted by Cyn_NY on December 24, 2006 at 02:05 PM the traditional Italian fish, mushroom stew and rice balls and tomorrow it's prime rib, scalloped oysters, creamed onions and spicy greens and about 4 other side dishes with mashed garlic potatos at our house.

Boy that sounds good. Merry Christmas, Cyn.

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dorsano on December 24, 2006 at 03:34 PM

Merry Christams Eve and Happy Holidays, everyone.

Just stopping by to say hi. Hope you all have a wonderful time with family and friends at home and celebrating here with friends, as well.

I can't believe that January 4 is just around the corner. Just think of our first 100 hour agenda. The will of the people will not be denied by any vetos by a lame duck president...or surge in Iraq. We have the GOP right where we want them for the 2008 election.

Party on, folks. later.

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SandyH on December 24, 2006 at 04:38 PM

Posted by Cyn_NY on December 24, 2006 at 02:05 PM the traditional Italian fish, mushroom stew and rice balls and tomorrow it's prime rib, scalloped oysters, creamed onions and spicy greens and about 4 other side dishes with mashed garlic potatos at our house.

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Oooohh, wow!! I'm doing the usual cornish hens (apple stuffed), with baked potatoes, stuffing (side dish), and probably carrots or green beans. D'oh, don't forget the cranberry sauce!
Do you have room for say one and a half more? My son doesn't eat that much! No, only kidding, enjoy Christmas for sure!!!

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davidual on December 24, 2006 at 04:49 PM

Readin' all these good dinners, I need to get on either I-75 or I-95 and head out of Florida to some of these feasts

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J on December 24, 2006 at 05:38 PM

Merry Christmas everyone! Wishing you all the peace and blessings. Democrats rock!

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DemocratKickingAss on December 24, 2006 at 06:17 PM

Iraqi suicide bomber kills 7 police officers
Two doctors kidnapped in Baghdad
• Four attacks wound 21 in Baghdad, including soccer players during match
• Suicide bomber kills at least seven officers in police station
• Six U.S. soldiers killed by roadside bombs
FulL Story:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/24/iraq.main/index.html

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DemocratKickingAss on December 24, 2006 at 06:18 PM

On Election Day the voters delivered a dramatic, unmistakable mandate for peace. Now it's time for action. Join CODEPINK and many others in a national march to D.C. on January 27-29, to send a strong, clear message to Congress and the Bush Administration: The people of this country want the war and occupation in Iraq to end and we want the troops home now! Click on link below for complete details and spread the word:

http://www.codepink4peace.org

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DemocratKickingAss on December 24, 2006 at 06:20 PM

Merry Holidays to ALL! I sure hope that all are well.

DemocratKA: I do like that post about Peace, we sure did deliver a mandate for Peace and we will make sure that the folks that were elected stay on track in working to end this effing war caused by bush.

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LizzyBeth on December 24, 2006 at 06:37 PM

Posted by J on December 24, 2006 at 05:38 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi J,

I actually get a break this weekend. I work from now till 3pm tomorrow. I guess, I could go to my sisters house around 6pm or 7pm and then, it's back to work for me till 7am. You know, in the Hotel Industry they say a Supervisor is just a glorified Front Desk Agent...........

There may be something to that. Oh, but the Over Time and Holiday Pay on top of Regular Pay is just too irresistable. (Cha Ching!)

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 06:53 PM

Hey, J.

If you get a chance, come over here to MyDD We're talking about Edwards. They think he's a Progressive just because he likes Black People. It takes more than that.He cares about ending Poverty. He did'nt nothing about ending Racism and Social Equality at all.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 06:57 PM

bbl, I just now noticed you were here an hour ago.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 07:01 PM

You know, in the Hotel Industry they say a Supervisor is just a glorified Front Desk Agent...........

There may be something to that. Oh, but the Over Time and Holiday Pay on top of Regular Pay is just too irresistable. (Cha Ching!)

;p


Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 06:53 PM

Gloried whatever! Just let the ducks roll in.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 07:13 PM

Gloried whatever! Just let the ducks roll in.

Posted by J on December 24, 2006 at 07:13 PM


Dude. I'm gettin a Dell!

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 07:16 PM

Ran over to MyDD and posted. So! How's it going?

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J on December 24, 2006 at 07:26 PM

Oh yeah girl, get a Dell. I did about 4 years ago and haven't regretted. As a matter of fact, jsut waiting for some ducks in 2007 and I'll be getting some razor techno so I can really zip through everything. Really need the massive info storage to begin a publication.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 07:29 PM

DemocratKA: I do like that post about Peace, we sure did deliver a mandate for Peace and we will make sure that the folks that were elected stay on track in working to end this effing war caused by bush.

Posted by LizzyBeth on December 24, 2006 at 06:37 PM

************************
Thank you for the kind words. I sure hope they will end this Iraq soon. It's costing so much money but more important too many innocent people have been killed. Anyway, hope you're having a nice evening. I'm about to sign off now.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Peace :-)

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DemocratKickingAss on December 24, 2006 at 07:30 PM

FOS

Gone to pop some more things into the oven. If you're not gone to your sis, I'll check back in about an hour.

bbl

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J on December 24, 2006 at 07:40 PM

As American dead approach 3000, I would like to share a post from the website "May8th"
http://ralphlopezwworld.com

Phone Call Campaign: There's No Christmas Break From Dying in Iraq

I'm trying to get into the spirit but this choral music is only annoying me knowing that three more families are going to have a real shitty Christmas. Air America reports 3 American dead in Iraq yesterday. I'm sitting in the Harvard Coop and the singers are really good, but I'm sorely tempted to start shouting "Jesus wants us to bomb Iran!" at the top of my lungs and scream at all these people Christmas shopping to wake the fuck up. Then I sink a little thinking that it's not their fault. In these parts nearly everyone hates George Bush. I'd be preaching to the choir and some little old lady would pipe up and start going off on him even louder than me. It's happened. Something about the Shrub sets people off on tantrums either way. For or against. The Uniter not Divider.

The Defeat-o-crats are letting themselves be set up to be blamed. These guys are professional punching bags. The Bush surge strategy is nothing more than a closing gambit to keep Iraq together just long enough to get out of office and make sure someone else is in office when it falls apart. Then they write history that the Democrats lost Iraq. That's the whole plan, and it's going to cost how many guys their lives?

Those families of the ones killed today will be getting the news right about now that they are going to be having a real shitty Christmas too. And there's still six days to go until Christmas.

Harry Reid just announced that he's not going to walk and chew gum at the same time, that the number one issue in the new term is ethics. Nothing about Iraq. Nothing about the Military Commissions Act, or Jose Padilla, which amounts to an override of the Bill of Rights. Nothing to start blunting the set-up to be the Defeat-o-crats, such as redrawing the War Resolution to get out of Iraq, surround the Pakistani tribal areas where the Pakistani government is having a love-fest with the Taliban, and going on the political offensive to "stop making terrorists faster than we can kill them," in the words of a Delta Forces soldier quoted by Air America's Laura Flanders. Those Delta Force liberals.

The problem is that our own safety depends on throwing George Bush on the tender mercies of all the people he hurt. Nothing less than charges as a war criminal may be able to bring outraged Muslims back to the fold of moderation. And now what does he want to do? He wants to bomb Iran. Yesterday's Air America interview of Scott Ritter is a must-listen, on how the Iranian people actually still LIKE Americans, after all we have done to them, even if they don't like George Bush. That could change real fast with fresh footage flooding Al Jazeera of Iranian women and children with their faces blown off. I'll post the MP3 of the interview as soon as AAR archives it.

The phone numbers (free calls) to your congressmen are still on the front page of the main website. Make your Christmas present to the troops a couple of phone calls to your congress-people telling them to cut the shit and get them the hell out of there. As many calls as we can manage between now and Christmas.

Toll-free numbers for congressmen, connecting all
offices: 1-800-839-5276 or 1-877-762-8762

from May8th
http://ralphlopezwworld.com

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Polis on December 24, 2006 at 07:42 PM

FOS

Gone to pop some more things into the oven. If you're not gone to your sis, I'll check back in about an hour.

bbl

Posted by J on December 24, 2006 at 07:40 PM

I go to my sisters tomorrow on Christmas Day.

;p

I'll check back for you though.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 07:51 PM

MERRY CHRISTMAS, LIBERAL CHRISTIANS!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 08:05 PM

Silent Night

h/t c&l

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fade2bluz on December 24, 2006 at 08:07 PM

Posted by fade2bluz on December 24, 2006 at 08:07 PM

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I can't look at that photo. That little girl looks exactly like my niece.


Exactly. That's wierd.

That totally freaked me out right there.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 08:16 PM

Of course, without the tears and the head thing.

Other than that,she could be my niece.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 08:17 PM

hi {{dk}}

tonight, it's the people who are not celebrating that i remember, for a little while. it's not a contest to see who wins, but rather, it is a way to end this war...to bring justice and equality...

what we do here matters. our voices will end this war. we must stop it.

be blessed, dk...i read your post and thought it was beautiful

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fade2bluz on December 24, 2006 at 08:25 PM

FOS

Back. Thought that you went to your sis tonight.

You know there are quite a few posts about Peace for the season. We all want that worldwide, but I think before we can get to that we need to strive for it here at home.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 08:34 PM

Jaxter....thx for your great post....I needed to be reminded....just another reason why I have such contempt for the Bush Criminal Empire..........

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 08:43 PM

Posted by J on December 24, 2006 at 08:34 PM
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That's true.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 08:59 PM

Still around FOS?

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J on December 24, 2006 at 09:16 PM

cheney and his thugs have been busting knee caps to get more troops sent to Iraq. let us follow the example of Jesus and PRAY FOR OUR ENEMIES. let's pray that these blood thirsty jackals will find just one ounce of compassion and try to end this war and work toward peace. if I can pray for these thugs, I know you can too. what do we have to loose? MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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Sadie on December 24, 2006 at 09:30 PM

Sadie

There is prayer for everyone that is walking the face of this earth. I personally pray for each and every human being. There will be peace just as there is peace now within all of us. We must bring it forth and let it shine as a star did centuries ago announcing the birth of the Prince of Peace.

We must all give of ourselves as our Heavenly Father did when He gave His ONLY begotten Son for our sins. His birth is the herald of our having everlasting life if we follow his teachings and live as he as described for us to do.

There is a quiet now with the birth of the Prince of Peace, Emanuel, Jesus the Son of God.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 09:37 PM

I'm back, J.

I'm at MyDD, Huffington Post and here.

;p

Sup?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 09:50 PM

Sadie,

This is for you.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 09:51 PM

Cold and crystal clear night here in the Hudson Valley. The moon has set and the stars are bright. Got a hemlock tree outside wrapped in those big red, blue, orange, green and white outdoor christmas lights like the one's I remember from when I was a kid....should make it easy for Santa to find the house.

All the best to J and Fos and Fade and whoever is lurking on this lovely Christmas Eve.

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gregg on December 24, 2006 at 10:05 PM

Posted by gregg on December 24, 2006 at 10:05 PM
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Merry Christmas gregg and a


Big

Ole


((((((cyber hug))))))

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 10:10 PM

Good evening, all.

The Defeat-o-crats are letting themselves be set up to be blamed.

I don't see how. Democrats are only allowing the Republicans to dig a deeper hole for themselves to get out of later. Reid was giving them some rope to see just how far they are willing to back Bush and hang themselves in the process in 2008.

Bush suggested "The Surge" just as he suggested there were WMD. Both were ploys. But unlike 2002, the public now knows a losing strategy when they hear one. It's just more of the same lame excuses by the White House for keeping our troops in harm's half way around the world for nothing.

Bush is trying to put off the inevitable as long as he can, but it’s so obvious that the Shiites are gaining on him, and he can't control them like Clinton corralled Saddam and the Sunnis.

This weekend Al Sistani jinxed the formation of another new government giving Sunnis any real power. And Al Sadr has now consolidated control of all the Shiite militias, as well as the "new" Iraqi army and police. The Sunnis must either leave or be executed.

Thirty thousand more Americans aren't going to turn off 2,000 years of religious stifle or make everyone play nicely...especially when it’s a fate accompli.

No, Democrats aren't going to be blamed for a dysfunctional, delusional Commander-in-Chief. The American public will blame his own party for not reigning Nero in. The Baker group was their last best chance...and now Cheney even ruined that.

And Rove made sure he elected just the right mix of Conservative Right numbskulls and arrogant racists to keep the Bush war machine running at top speed right over the edge and into the abyss. They will back him no matter how desperate the situation gets.

Give Poppy some more tissues. He's going to need them.

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SandyH on December 24, 2006 at 10:25 PM

A little something for your holiday viewing pleasure.

Christmas Lights

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Domingo on December 24, 2006 at 10:31 PM

gregg,

Hemlock tree? Why don't you make a dish of tea and offer it to the appropriate people?

Anyway, I love lights on a tree. Not those all white variety but the multi-colored ones. I must have gotten the wrong pack of replacement bulbs, because some of mine in the front yard are blinking...like Rudolph's nose. I know Santa can see my house now. Its looks sort of neon, psychedelic

I read somewhere that the Romans used to decorate trees with shiny metal ornaments. So it's not really just a German tradition.

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SandyH on December 24, 2006 at 10:32 PM

Posted by Domingo on December 24, 2006 at 10:31 PM

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I knew it was going to be that one.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 10:33 PM

Will,

That was great. It reminds me of the Nightmare Before Christmas, which I watched last night for the first time...while I was baking cookies. It was so imaginative and demented. All that light display needs is Michael Flannery and his Celtic dancers with Yo Yo Ma feverously playing the cello. The peace sign really stood out among all the rest.

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SandyH on December 24, 2006 at 10:44 PM

I leave you all with this on Christmas Eve. It seems a likely answer to the concerns of those who fear for the worst. Merry Christmas.


A Parable For Our Times
Bill Moyers
December 22, 2006

//www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/12/22/a_parable_for_our_times.php

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SandyH on December 24, 2006 at 10:54 PM

Question....Why can't Congress revoke the War Resolution and freeze funding to stop Mr. bus?

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 10:55 PM

bus should read Bush...not that it makes much difference.......

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 10:59 PM

Question....Why can't Congress revoke the War Resolution and freeze funding to stop Mr. bus?

Posted by goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 10:55 PM


No Balls.

We , the Constitents , have to force them to do it. They are nothing without us.Whatever it takes, threats of no more cash. Threats to kick them out of the party so they have to run as loser Independents. Whatever it takes.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 11:10 PM

FOS...Right again you are!! I think I'll write another letter or two tomorrow...not too sune to get started...I like your canidate...I got a nice letter back from Senator Obama

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 11:18 PM

Reindeer pee

FLYING REINDEER

At first, the line in the poem concerning the miniature sleigh and tiny reindeer puzzled me. What was the meaning of the mini reindeer sled? Then, as I was researching the Saami shaman drum, it became crystal clear. The shaman beats his drum until he reaches the specific rhythm and tone that sends him into a trancelike state of ecstasy. The rhythmic beats affect the central nervous system, producing a hypnotic condition. In this altered state called gievvot, his soul travels in extra-corporeal form to the spirit world to converse with the dead.

But first, the drum must be granted “life” by means of a particular ritual, and possessed by a guardian spirit – most commonly a reindeer. The shaman, with the help of his reindeer guide (or basseváresarves), can make his spiritual journey. On the drum skin are painted (in alder bark mixed with spit) various blood-red symbols that help guide the shaman on his “reindeer vision” across the cosmic road (Milky Way) to Jábmeájmoo, the Land of the Dead.

One symbol on the drum is a miniature sleigh pulled by a tiny reindeer. This image is used by the shaman to “ride into the sky”, calling to mind Santa’s Christmas Eve flight. On the other hand, Siberian shamans feed psychedelic mushrooms (Amanita muscaria) to their reindeer. The animal’s metabolism removes the toxins from the mushrooms but leaves the hallucinogenic properties intact in the urine. The shamans then drink the reindeer pee to “fly high”. In the drug subculture, the slang term “sleigh riding” refers to a drugged-out state, while “reindeer dust” is another term for cocaine.

FLYING SANTA

How did Santa get the power to fly like the wind? In An Account of a Visit from St Nicholas, his aerial acrobatics are described thus: “He sprang to his sleigh, to the team gave a whistle, / And away they all flew like the down from a thistle.” In Lapland, the Saami shaman (called the Magi of the North) is believed to have the power to raise the wind and storms. In olden times, Lapp sorcerers sold “wind-knots” to sailors in the form of three knots tied in a handkerchief. As the knots are untied the winds would increase. Sailors beware – the loosening of the third knot can cause an accursed mælstrom.

http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/192_lapp3.shtml

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Domingo on December 24, 2006 at 11:18 PM

DemocratKA: I do like that post about Peace, we sure did deliver a mandate for Peace and we will make sure that the folks that were elected stay on track in working to end this effing war caused by bush. Posted by LizzyBeth on December 24, 2006 at 06:37

Polls show 80% of Americans want us out of Iraq, and 70% want Bush impeached out of office. The DLC "Leadership" of our Party say they're going to back Bush's expansion of the war in Iraq, and impeachment is off the table. So much for our "Peace mandate".

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Domingo on December 24, 2006 at 11:25 PM

FOS I'm here.

Domingo, I saw tht light show on TV last week and it's awesome. I mean those lights on that house got it goin' on.

gregg, the best to you and your family on this clear quiet night in the beautiful Hudson.

SandyH, we're all comin' to your house in just a litte while because I've been reading about you bakin' cookies all this week.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 11:28 PM

FOS...Right again you are!! I think I'll write another letter or two tomorrow...not too sune to get started...I like your canidate...I got a nice letter back from Senator Obama

Posted by goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 11:18 PM

Is he your Senator?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 11:29 PM

Hi J,

:)

Suuuuuup!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 11:32 PM

DLC backing expansion in Iraq? Will these folks never learn. They just didn't get it in November. My prelimenary research has shown that the American public were voting out conservatism, period. They feel it has been the culprit in the majority of the major blunders and mistakes that have crippled this nation.

They have seen that it just hasn't been working in any form of government or in the daily lives of this country for that matter.

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J on December 24, 2006 at 11:37 PM

Still hangin'

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J on December 24, 2006 at 11:38 PM

Me too, but I'm doing nightly paperwork now.

;(

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 11:44 PM

FOS...No, I live in Texas....

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 11:47 PM

I know everyone is in the holiday spirit, but for those that are here tonight. Please do not forget Christine Jennings (D) that is challenging FL-13.

This woman is now petitioning the House to ask for a new election along with asking the Florida courts for a new election. Let us try to put our emotion and passion in the place of how this woman might feel. When one KNOWS something was stolen from them, it hurts, it goes against every fiber in our being especially when we KNOW that we are right. The winner, Vern Buchanan (R) is saying she needs to just concede and go home who by the way owns several car dealerships (car salesman-speaks volumes).

Let us put all of our help behind her. Whether it be letters, e-mails, petitions or whatever. this woman was robbed.

Bottom line: Christine Jennings was mugged for 18,000 votes.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122406G.shtml

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J on December 24, 2006 at 11:48 PM

J...I agree...it was outright theft of an election...The Rats will stop at nothing...the cancer of this mis-administration is every where......

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goodfoe on December 24, 2006 at 11:56 PM

J,

You have to tell me when you send me a message okay?

(LOL)

I just now saw all those when I could have responded earlier.


BTW. I am in love with TJ Holmes and Don Lemon.

OMG! If they looked like that out here in Wisconsin,that would make me start dating Bruthas.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 11:57 PM

Don Lemons is my future husband.......


..............unless he's already married.

:(

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:00 AM

Helping others without fanfare Every day, people make good things happen. They work with little fanfare, but their efforts change lives.

The Memory Project In this program, advanced high school and university-level art students create original portraits for children living in orphanages around the world. Given that children who have been abandoned, neglected, abused, or orphaned usually have few personal keepsakes, the purpose of the portraits is to provide them with a special memory of their youth and to help honor their heritage and identity.

Here are some examples of portraits that have been produced by students in this project (click photos for larger images). The portraits were sent as gifts to the children shown in them, intending to provide a permanent reminder of their immeasurable importance to the world.

What the teacher's think I think when you combine goodwill with an art project, amazing things begin to happen. The 'Memory Project' is incredible. Thanks for letting us be a part of it. - Monique Dobbelaere, SC

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM

bbl.....

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:08 AM

Posted by J on December 24, 2006 at 11:28 PM

J,

There's not much left. Both of my sons friends descended out of nowhere around dinner time and pretty much picked us dry. Teenagers amaze me with how much they can eat.

But it was nice seeing these kids all together again. And it was quite a fun time. I watched most of them grow up. But now they are all so busy with school and jobs...and chasing after girls. They pretty much keep themselves scarce...except when they are hungry.

I won't offer you the crumbs as the critters pretty much got those, when they weren't climbing up the middle of the Xmas tree. My two kittens think they are in cat heaven.

My husband is sleeping so soundly tonight...a combination of too much overtime, cold medicine, and a little too much spiked eggnog. It was fun watching him tonight with the boys...he was right in the thick of things. Makes me remember how he when I first met him.

We are getting too old and too chubby, but we still have a good time. I better turn in, so I'm fresh for the family gathering tomorrow. I only have to bring a covered dish, so I plan to sleep in.

Good night, all. Merry Christmas.

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SandyH on December 25, 2006 at 12:17 AM

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 24, 2006 at 11:57 PM BTW. I am in love with TJ Holmes and Don Lemon.

They're good lookin, FOS. But make sure they can cook. And I mean cook something in the kitchen over the stove or at least outside on the grill.

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:20 AM

Posted by SandyH on December 25, 2006 at 12:17 AM Good night, all. Merry Christmas.

Same here, Sandy - on just about every count. Good night, all. And Merry Chrismas.

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:23 AM

Merry Christmas to you and your family SandyH.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 12:23 AM

FOS

Further discussion of TJ Holmes and Don Lemon at the hangout.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 12:25 AM

Posted by dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:20 AM
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Naw.All they need to know how to do is find a great resturant. As far as meals, I can take care of Breakfast.

Bagel
Cream Cheese
Orange Juice
Coffee
"Have a nice Day at work. I'll see you next week. We'll meet for dinner at the Bla Bla Bla"

That's the perfect Marriage.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:25 AM

I don't see it, J.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:27 AM

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at Naw. All they need to know how to do is find a great resturant.

Looks are over-rated, FOS. Just ask any old guy.

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:31 AM

Looks are over-rated, FOS. Just ask any old guy.

Posted by dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:31 AM


Not when you don't age though. The more Melanan(sp) we have , the less we age. Those two are gonna look great 45 years fron now. Hey, I'm 32 and I still get carded.(Agressively too)

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:38 AM

Look at Barck Obama. He's what? 46 years old and looks like a cute little spring chicken.

(ahem) In a respectful way, Michelle. I don't like him or anything.(gulp)

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:41 AM

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:38 AM Hey, I'm 32 and I still get carded.(Agressively too)

I get carded too, so phffftt. The people working at McDonalds have somehow got in their heads that I'm eligible for the senior discount.

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:46 AM

J, where are you?

Okay. I need to go take a break. Good Night everyone. (I might come back down). I will talk to you all in the morning.

Merry Christmas if you're not here. If you are,then, I'll see ya.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:47 AM

I get carded too, so phffftt. The people working at McDonalds have somehow got in their heads that I'm eligible for the senior discount.

Posted by dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:46 AM

ROFLMAO!

No you did not. I meant for smokes.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:48 AM

I have grand kids and the other day I HAD to go into Walmart during the morning and took my 3 month old grandson and tons of folks oooo and aahh over him and in the same breath asked was he my baby?

My baby? I don't think so. I'm a member of the 5-0 club.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 12:52 AM

Come back when you're leaving. Okay see ya in the morning.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 12:53 AM

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 12:48 AM I meant for smokes.

Well, you better stop smoking or the people at McDonalds are going to start carding you too to see if you're eligible for the senior discount.

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:55 AM

J, FOS - have a good night. I'm gonna go get some beauty sleep.

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 12:58 AM

Dorsano,

Ha Ha. I'm quitting January 1st. No really. I am. Seriously. No, for reals, dude.I'm quitting.No more ciggs after the 1st of January. Unless, there's a Catastrophic event that takes place. Other than that. I'm done. No more. Cold Turkey.That's it.

;p


J,

My mom had me when she was 39 and my only younger sister , her 10th child , at 40.

She's in her 70's now and still kicking.

Okay, I'm gonna take a long break. I will talk to you all in a few hours.....

Lots of Holiday Wishes.


:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 01:02 AM

Good Morning Dem's...

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goodfoe on December 25, 2006 at 06:10 AM

Good morning FOS and anyone else out there

Merry Christmas to the World

And to Us a Child is Born - Gloria Hallelujah!!!!

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J on December 25, 2006 at 06:32 AM

All my prayers to the Family of the Godfather of Soul late great James Brown.

I cut my teen age years on James Brown, Aretha Franklin, The Temps, Four Tops, Smokey, etc. these folks made music, the classics that last. You know he came from the generation of good music because the rappers of sampled him to another degree.

The Godfather of Soul - James Brown

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J on December 25, 2006 at 06:39 AM

MERRY CHRISTMAS all !!

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 07:05 AM

yes j i read about james brown. he must be riding home with santa this morning.

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 07:06 AM

I hope he is gregg and Merry Christmas to you.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 07:10 AM

Crisp cold weather in the valley?

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J on December 25, 2006 at 07:12 AM

i hope you and yours have a wonderful day j. there is a thick layer of frost outside but santa must have used his sled with wheels instead of runners this year. let's shoot for next year's thanksgiving day parade. or maybe we should skate in rockefellar center??

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 07:14 AM

Oh gregg, I am steadily working on that though I forgot about Rockefeller Center. The tree isn't usually up by Thanksgiving is it? Don't think so.

We're going to have a quiet day. Will check out the 80 plus year old parents who have enjoyed the holiday season because my Dad is now able to go places since he has had his pacemaker.

Hope you have a beautiful and blessed day too, gregg.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 07:24 AM

FOS

Gotta bake a cake for someone girl so I gotta go. Get some rest and check ya tonight.

Keep the faith

Peace \/ :)

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J on December 25, 2006 at 07:25 AM

Blessed Christmas morning, one and all!

While Santa has come and gone. (I was a very good girl all year) Christ has been better, because even though I have been good, there were times when I was really bad. He gives everyday!Nothing cleanses like the power of the Living Among Us God!

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Esmeralda on December 25, 2006 at 07:36 AM

FOS WANT COFFEE!

Good Morning.

:)

Merry Christmas again.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 07:44 AM

The Rise of 'Revolving-Door' Consultants

It may not be "evil," but it pays well.

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Esmeralda on December 25, 2006 at 07:45 AM

Merry Christmas, FOS!

I'm on my 2nd cup.

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Esmeralda on December 25, 2006 at 07:46 AM

Merry Christmas Esse and a Starbucks New Year!

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 07:48 AM

Just decided to check back and see if you had come up.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 07:59 AM

hey fos, cup of kona coming up! and how about a bagel and cream cheese and lox?

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 07:59 AM

Happy Christmas Morn, Dems! Sipping my first cup of coffee and getting the stove pre-heated. Let the cooking begin!

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Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 08:07 AM

merry christmas cyn and esmeralda...every twig and branch and blade of grass outside is covered with a frost. a pretty good substitute for snow and you don't have to shovel it! enjoy the day.

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 08:16 AM

hey fos, cup of kona coming up! and how about a bagel and cream cheese and lox?

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 07:59 AM

I had a Ham & Cheese Croissant and an Orange Juice earlier. Now, I'm enjoying a large coffee.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 08:20 AM

Good Morning J, and Cyn.

Merry Christmas!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 08:21 AM

FOS

I quit smoking 11 years ago when my 59 year old (then) father in law died from lung cancer. I remember begging my parents to quit so that they would not go through the same sufferage. 11 years later, my 63 & 64 year old parents look like they are in their 90's...my mother, who fashioned her life around "work is where it's at" can barely move after her 1st chemo treatment she had last Monday, and my dad barely moves without assistance, carting around his oxygen tank. What is killing them, still keeps them addicted. They both still smoke.

And now I'm watching my daughters continue the "tradition". Last night when they were going outside to puff, I stood in their way and said, "go look what that has done to your grandparents." They didn't get mad at me for saying it, and they hung their heads, but they still went outside. They are addicts.

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Esmeralda on December 25, 2006 at 08:22 AM

They are addicts.

Posted by Esmeralda on December 25, 2006 at 08:22 AM

Woah.I'm sorry.I used to be adamatly anti-smoking untill I was about 28. I went through a very traumatic experience and sought help. I tried group therapy and picked up the habit from the people there.

Go figure.

It's sort of funny now that I look back at it. Well, at least I got over the assault.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 08:27 AM

Guests arrive at noon! Time to get to cooking. I told the carpenter he's not getting a hot breakfast this morning, he can have homemade banana nut bread & juice! and as many cookies as he wants. haha

Love & Peace to everyone!

Here's a Christmas tidbit for you all:

Longing to Join in Christmas


Christmas is the season when you are most likely to find yourself on a street of beautiful homes with twinkling lights, warm fireplaces and happy families outfitted in festive holiday sweaters, only to be filled with a yearning to possess not just the house but the lifestyle inside.


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Esmeralda on December 25, 2006 at 08:29 AM

Thank You Essy,

Have fun today and don't forget to take some "Esse Time".

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 08:33 AM

My late Father, a Preacher, told us there was no Santa Claus as well. It was also for religious reasons. He said that when we got older, and found out there was no Santa, we would question whether or not Jesus Christ was real as well. So, he made it a point to tell us that Santa was fake. We had the tree and a million gifts, but we knew there was no Santa. Plus, my Dad hated the idea of spendnig all that money so that a White Man could take credit.He wasn't racist, because almost all my In-Laws are White, it's just that he grew up in the 50's and ya know.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 08:43 AM

sounds like a real pissa of a guy fos!

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 08:50 AM

sounds like a real pissa of a guy fos!

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 08:50 AM

He was annoying in many ways, but I still loved him. Smart, Sassy, Cynical, but he was almost always right abut everything. You could never win an argument with Daddy.You ended up saying, "Okay Daddy. Whatever!" and go away knowing you were wrong.

Too bad I'm NOTHING like my Daddy.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 08:55 AM

ok if it doesn't lighten up here a bit i am going over to red state and start ranting about the goddam war on christmas that you commies are fomenting.

as for smoking. cold turkey is the way to go. just tell everyone you will be a complete lunatic for three days and then just a mild maniac for a month or so and do it! i carried around a peanut butter jar filled with old cigarette butts and some water that i would open and smell and it helped. i like fos's point that often support groups are all about smoking and drinking coffee. essie i would rant at your kids about the butts until they either quit or bought you a bmw 700 series to shut up. that their grandparents plight doesn't do it for them is too bad. as for me i have been off the cigs for 19 years and wouldn't mind having one right now but i won't because quiting is a mother f_ _ _ er but it is doable and must be done.

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 08:58 AM

fos, hope i wasn't offensive but i like to keep the reality of parents and family in mind instead of the fantasy. i shouldn't impose that on you. i had uncles tying kids to beds and beating them with belts and so on and while they were often great guys and lots of laughs sometimes not so much. so i try to keep an open mind but also when i thought about telling kids there was no santa claus so they would not reject another entity the existence of which also depends on blind faith i just got a bit wacky...

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 09:03 AM

FOS and Es

The nicotine in cigerettes as you know is the addictive agent. I pray for everyone that smokes because it is not something that one can drop at a dime.

As a cancer survivor I can tell you that 10 years after my last treatment, the longing to pull on a smoke and inhale was still there. The reason I put the smokes down was because as I preparing to take my third chemo, as my Doc checked me he asked, "Are you still smoking?" and before I could answer he said, "Because I don't have as much success with lung cancer as I do the lymphomas". Never smoked from that day forward.

It is hard to watch loved ones who smoke and it is steadily tearing down their health. My Dad smokes and is a cardiac patient. Everyone know those two don't go together.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 09:05 AM

Gregg,

Thank you for your halarious encouragement. I know I have to go on and quit. I had promised myself that I would quit if the Democrats took back the Senate and I still smoke.I have cut back signifigantly though. I had it really bad before. Now, it's not as often. I just want to get healthy and I know I'm defeating the purpose if I exercise and have a smoke break after.That's just retarded.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 09:06 AM

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 09:03 AM
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You were not offensive at all. I can tell the difference between honesty and personality as opposed to someone just being a jerk. It's all good. I did'nt take offense.


:)


Hi J, your back.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 09:09 AM

hey fos i promised to go to mid night mass if we took the house and make confession if we took the senate...was raised as a catholic and haven't been to church in.....44 years! so now i am trying to find one of those churches i heard about where you don't have to go in the booth with the priest but can sort of phone the confession in between you and god....funny how that training you get as a kid never quite goes away....

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 09:15 AM

Word of the Day for Monday, December 25, 2006

irenic \eye-REN-ik; -REE-nik\, adjective:
Tending to promote peace; conciliatory

George, you there?

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salutetheDems on December 25, 2006 at 09:16 AM

Thanks J.

I will quit.

Okay, let's be all happy now,

C'Mon!


HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY !

Fa la la la la ,


la la la la !


:)


When I was a little girl, my sisters and I (the youngest four) got tons of gifts. From my parents, then all my older siblings. It was a wonderful thing. Funny story. Back then, in the 80's there was only one Black Barbie Doll.(Christie) was her name. She was Barbie's Black Friend. Well, all four of us wanted the Black Barbie so, we each all got her and had to carve our initials onto each of the four dolls because it was the same Black Barbie. We would just pretend they were Quadruplets when we played together.

Thank Gawd for Bratz Dolls!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 09:17 AM

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 09:15 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You know.You can always just close your eyes and the Lord........................................


Oh, wait. never mind.


;p


I'm just teasing ya!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 09:20 AM

Where did everyone go?

(sign)

Probally with their families or in the kicten cooking and baking while children ooh and aww over their toys.

Okay well. I'll just sit here and wait.


Yep. I'll just wait.


I'm patient.


I can wait.


Okay, I'm going to Huff Po. I'll be back later.

LOL


;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 09:39 AM

santa's helpers?

merry christmas

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 09:42 AM

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 09:42 AM

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That's awesome! And beautiful huh?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 09:49 AM

To help you quit smoking. It's the only way I could do it. My daughter's cat died of lung cancer and she was beside herself. I had to quit as I could only imagine what she would be like if her mother died of the same disease.

http://www.commitlozenge.com/

By the way, went to my republican sister's house for Christmas Eve. Ended up walking out early, probably pissing a lot of people off. My bullshit meter just could not take it anymore, listening to talk of the wonderful economy and all - mostly from her in-laws, which has now filtered down to my nephews.

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Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 09:56 AM

cyn, love ya when you're like that!

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 09:58 AM

Posted by Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 09:56 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for the advice. I'll look into the lozenge. I just don't want to end up having a smoke while sucking on one. (LOL)

Anyways, you go girl. Walk out of there. You don't need to listen to that mess. I know I wouldn't. Well, actually, I would stay and end up in a huge fight. I would'nt leave till I got in the last word and someone's crying.(jk)

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:10 AM

fos, now that is the christmas spirit i was talking about!

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 10:12 AM

here is a not christmas song but i like it:

mad world

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 10:16 AM

Freedom, don't think I didn't think of that. I am very sure I got my point across, if you know what I mean. ;-) One of "them" even chased me down the driveway apologizing.

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Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 10:18 AM

good morning, gang

you're in great form this morning...great to see you and i'm LMAO!

go {{{CYN}}}!!

{{{FOS}}}--rock on!!

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fade2bluz on December 25, 2006 at 10:19 AM

fos, now that is the christmas spirit i was talking about!

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 10:12 AM

LOL. I got into it via e-mail with one of my sisters who now lives in Texas with her husband ( A Minister) and her new baby. I was Bashing George Bush in one of my e-mails and joked about him being the Anti-Christ. She went off on me and we didn't talk for like two months. We're cool now.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:20 AM

Posted by Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 10:18 AM
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Dayem! What was the subject de jour?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:21 AM

Fade! Great to see you here. I'm just hanging out in the kitchen, trying to figure out how I am going to keep the beef warm while cooking other things in the oven. I think I need a bigger kitchen or a smaller family .....

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Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 10:23 AM

Merry Christmas {{{{Fade}}}}}

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:23 AM

Merry Christmas Fade...I hope you have a really nice holiday

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goodfoe on December 25, 2006 at 10:33 AM

Freedom, it started with the fact that my boss was downsizing. Now, I didn't bring the subject up, but my husband must have been blabbing. One man wanted to know why and I mentioned the bankruptcy legislation had effected the practice, the economy - not preaching or anything, just saying. Immediately, one of them got started on a recent case where we represented a business man that sold pre-buy oil and went under. They were livid, saying that the economy was wonderful, where was I coming from? And, the businessman should go to prison for taking the pre-buy money. Now, mind you, the man is broke, the father of 5 children, had been in business for 17 years and sold pre-buy every year, his wife has left him and he doesn't have a dime to his name. I countered by saying I didn't think a failing business was a criminal matter, but a civil one. They went ballistic and started screaming - one guy was made that he was out $31.00, another said he would "get even" with the man, etc. To my sister's defense, she told them to cease and desist (because she knows me). They continued, I turned to my husband and said I have to leave now, and walked home. Some other stuff was said about my boss, which was not very flattering. He's a very liberal democrat and doesn't have a hoot about what people think of him. However, I wasn't about to listen to it.

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Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 10:34 AM

Great to see you all this morning.

{{{gregg}}} mad world is excellent

Merry Christmas to you all

Peace

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fade2bluz on December 25, 2006 at 10:37 AM

Quick! Check this out before they change the picture again. I think it's sort of cute.

Remember the troops ya'll.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:37 AM

Posted by Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 10:34 AM

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Good for you then. People can be so self-righteous and........I won't speak ill of your family because I respect you, but that's not cool what they said.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:41 AM

Off to do the oysters. Have a wonderful Christmas, FOS, Fade, J, Esme, Goodfoe, Gregg and all the rest of you great bloggers.

Peace.

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Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 10:44 AM

Cyn...Sorry you had to go through that....some people just don't think about anything other than thier own warped little vison of the world....Merry Christmas, I hope things look up for you and your family....

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goodfoe on December 25, 2006 at 10:46 AM

Bye Cyn.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:46 AM

Back. I'm still gettin' a kick from that pic of Christmas lights that Domingo posted last night that was off the chain.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 10:47 AM

There you are.

Are you making me some cornbread dressing and sweet potatoe pie?

Take the 41 N to ........


:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 10:49 AM

FOS

I know you're kind of young, but James Brown passed. That's like an era in my life that's gone.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 10:49 AM

Now you know I am girl. Got that cornbread dressing smellin' good and of course those potato pies are already coolin'

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J on December 25, 2006 at 10:52 AM

And you're nothing like your Daddy? Uh huh, yeah okay if you say so. Now I know where you got that firm train of thought and delivery.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 10:58 AM

FOS

I know you're kind of young, but James Brown passed. That's like an era in my life that's gone.

Posted by J on December 25, 2006 at 10:49 AM

What? ! No ! Good Gawd! Huh! (jk)

I know who James Brown was (RIP). I saw it this earlier this morning on CNN Beaking News I have older siblings who made sure I knew who he was. Along with Rick James (Mary Jane)

As far as my Dad goes, yeah. This apple did'nt fall far from the tree no matter how much I tried.


LOL!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 11:02 AM

Cyn_NY on December 25, 2006 at 09:56 AM,

The thing I like most about visiting those Republican relatives is when they talk about the economy as being in "full employment". I feel like asking how many people are unemployed, but stopped looking; does that include work from home people; what is their definition of a good job, $5.75/hr at McD. world, or the convenient store?


Merry Chistmas to everyone!!

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davidual on December 25, 2006 at 11:06 AM

J on December 25, 2006 at 10:49 AM,

Remember: I Feel Good he will be missed, but not forgotten...so how can that be all bad?

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davidual on December 25, 2006 at 11:25 AM

Merry Christmas all!!

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davidual on December 25, 2006 at 11:26 AM

OMG!

I just got off the phone with my sister that lives here locally. Her kids believe in Santa Clause (I know) Anyways, she just told me that her kids, after seeing all the huge and expensive gifts this time around, they ran into my sisters bedroom and woke her up saying,

" We must have been better this year !"

ROFLMAO!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 11:38 AM

Just a few thoughts of James Brown:

So much energy, love for humanity, an inward spirit, that reflected outwards, leaving all encountered, with a subtle feeling of peace.

Yes, he shall be remembered...


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davidual on December 25, 2006 at 11:43 AM

I'm out for the day!! See ya.

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davidual on December 25, 2006 at 11:45 AM

bbl

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 11:56 AM

Christmas greetings,

PRINCE OF PEACE
(Leon Russell-Greg Dempsey)

Try and judge me by my time and changes
And not mistaken words, for I say many.
Listen closely to my song and watch my eyes;
There's not much time to speak, there's hardly any.

Never treat a brother like a passing stranger -
Always try to keep the love light burning -
Listen only to his song and watch his eyes
For he might be the prince of peace returning.
Yes, he might be the prince of peace returning.

Love the blind and wounded as you would yourself.
And the businessmen in cells collecting pennies -
Judge their wealth by the coins that they give away
And not the one they keep themselves from spending.

Never be impatient with the ones who love you;
It might be your own self that you're burning.
Listen only to their songs and watch their eyes,
For he might be the prince of peace returning.


Peace on Earth, Shalom

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TomN on December 25, 2006 at 12:42 PM

What'cha gonna call him
the pretty little baby
born in Bethlehem?

From the Quran

Remember when the angels said, "O Mary! truly God has chosen thee, and purified thee, and chosen thee above all the women of the worlds!"

Remember when the angel said, "O Mary! Verily God announces to thee the Word from Him: The child's name shall be, Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, illustrious in this world, and in the next, and one of those who have near access to God; And He shall speak to men alike when in the cradle and when grown up; And he shall be one of the just."

She said, "How, O my Lord! shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?"

The angel said, "God will create what He will; When He decrees a thing, He need only say, 'Be,' and it is.

And God will teach your child the Book, and the Wisdom, and the Law, and the Evangel; and he shall be an apostle to the children of Israel. "Now have I come," he will say, "to you with a sign from your Lord: Out of clay will I make for you, as it were, the figure of a bird: and I will breathe into it, and it shall become, by God's leave, a bird. And I will heal the blind, and the leper; and by God's leave will I quicken the dead; and I will tell you what ye eat, and what ye store up in your houses! Truly in this will be a sign for you, if ye are believers.

...

And Mary conceived the child, and retired with him to a far-off place

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 01:26 PM

I think Santa got stuck in the Hudson Valley somewhere because I have coal in my stocking this morning. Or maybe it's a bunch of meatballs. I'm gonna go check again.

Merry Christmas everyone. Time for me to do more Christmasy stuff.

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dorsano on December 25, 2006 at 01:32 PM

Out of clay will I make for you, as it were, the figure of a bird: and I will breathe into it, and it shall become, by God's leave, a bird.

That's not in the Bible. Where did that part come from?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 02:12 PM

Nevermind, I read back and saw where it came from.

These were all old antiend books, there are many different interpretations oof it.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 02:18 PM

we are having a few folks here for dinner. one is a guy i have known for 42 years since we were 17. he walks in and his once silver hair is now died a weird orange color. i am trying to pretend i don't notice. must not look directly at him or i will lose it, gonna be a long weird holiday dinner...again!

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 02:52 PM

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 02:52 PM

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ROFLMAO!

greggg! Be Nice!

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 03:06 PM

Out of clay will I make for you, as it were, the figure of a bird: and I will breathe into it, and it shall become, by God's leave, a bird.
That's not in the Bible. Where did that part come from?

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 02:12 PM

Back. Never saw that in the Bible. Maybe it's from one of those new interpretations of versions? I dunno, never saw that.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 03:07 PM

well it looks like i peeked in just at the right time to notice gregg's dilemma. is this a case of Grecian Formula gone bad, or a serious "mid-life" punk thing, i wonder?

holiday dinner at gregg's wierd? hard to imagaine that...

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fade2bluz on December 25, 2006 at 03:10 PM

Well FOS guess you're out right now. check back later.

Oh yeah gregg, just hold those laughs until your guest leaves then fall all over the floor.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 03:16 PM

These were all old antiend books, there are many different interpretations oof it.
:)

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 02:18 PM

Didn't read up far enough.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 03:19 PM

I'm here, J.

That's an interpretation from the Quoran.


I was off posting on the Party Builder Blog about the full blown war in Africa taking place right now that noone seems to notice.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 03:20 PM

I see that J.

LOL.

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I long ago came to the conclusion that if the continent of Africa just fell off into the Atlantic or the Indian Ocean not much would be said other than probably a CNN report stating that it's gone. Nobody cares and the legislators that do are too few to gather enough voice for enactment of some action, any action.

A beautiful continent that has been plundered, raped and destroyed all in the name of greed. People of color are the predominent residents and always have been which seems to make some folks conclude that it's also a land of profit and gain for one's self.

Oh let me stop. I'll have gone through tons of thread.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 03:28 PM

My Holiday:WorkAThon is almost over. In 30 minuets, I go back to regular Schedule. Can I make it?

Sure.

:O (Yawn) ZZZzzz

I can do this!

Just a half hour and then I go to my sisters for a little. Take a short nap and (yawn)

Yep. I can do this!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 03:30 PM

Take a break girl and get something to eat too.

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J on December 25, 2006 at 03:34 PM

J,

I know Sen Russ Feingold was just over there for a whole week. He was trying to stop this before it happened. He warned about it but as usual, noone seems to want to listen to him for whatever reason. Maybe they don't like his accent or something, but it's just mind boggling how he's always right about stuff, but idiots don't want to listen.


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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 03:38 PM

Take a break girl and get something to eat too.

Posted by J on December 25, 2006 at 03:34 PM

I will.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 03:41 PM

Here's the proof that Russ was trying to stop this very thing from happening.

Right here!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 03:43 PM

Okay, I'm rambling now.


(It's a sign I'm tired)

Let me close my shift so I can just clock out.

I'll talk to you later, J.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 25, 2006 at 03:46 PM

Posted by gregg on December 25, 2006 at 08:58 AM

21 days to form a habit, 21 days to reform?

Christmas day family dinner was wonderful. My daughters looked beautiful as ever and left laughter in my home. Even though they are grown, my parents enjoyed watching them open their gifts.

Now I think I'll go find some of that Essie time that FOS was talking about.

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Esmeralda on December 25, 2006 at 03:46 PM

Check ya later FOS

I'm kinda blown too. Need to get off these feet now. Nice glass of Chardonnay will do just fine.

Peace \/

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J on December 25, 2006 at 03:56 PM

Merry Christmas everyone!

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that I felt really got to the point. It said:

A Renewable Energy Source IS Homeland Security

Something to think about.

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Kotsunega on December 25, 2006 at 07:31 PM

so after dinner and desert my buddies wife said " so i can't believe no one mentioned danny's hair.

and we were off to the races...turns out it was supposed to be brown but came out red. he explained that he had seen bill clinton speak in albany before the election and his hair was all white and some other clown we know pointed out it looked like danny's and so he thought he should dye it?? i pointed out that bill clinton is doing pretty well with his white hair and why did he think a hair style like the one red buttons had would help....anyway tomorrow he visits his four big loud irish brothers and my guess is he will take a severe beating.

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gregg on December 25, 2006 at 08:08 PM

Stopped by to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. May the new year bring peace on earth and good will to ALL people on this earth.

If you haven't checked this video out......The Pogues

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lavndrblue on December 25, 2006 at 08:42 PM

FOS...how about Edwards_Obama_2008?

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lavndrblue on December 25, 2006 at 08:43 PM

British troops raid Iraq police station
British forces stormed a police station in Basra in southern Iraq on Monday, rescuing prisoners on death row and killing seven Iraqi gunmen during the pre-dawn raid. More than 1,000 British troops backed by tanks then demolished the building with explosives. Full Story:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/25/uk-raid-061225.html

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DemocratKickingAss on December 25, 2006 at 08:52 PM

Ten killed in Baghdad car blast
Ten civilians have been killed in a car bombing in a shopping area in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.
At least 11 others are said to have been injured in the blast. Full Story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6208943.stm

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DemocratKickingAss on December 25, 2006 at 08:53 PM

{{{lavendar}}} Nollaig Shona Duit

great clip, thanx

gregg, thanx for clearing up the great mystery of the holiday. poor guy will, indeed, probably get a well-deserved ass kickin'

DemocratKickingAss, you always find the latest bad news from Iraq. thankless job it is, so i thank you. while i seldom comment, i do appreciate your diligence

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fade2bluz on December 25, 2006 at 09:21 PM

Good evening and Merry Christmas, everyone.

I have grand kids and the other day I HAD to go into Walmart during the morning and took my 3 month old grandson and tons of folks oooo and aahh over him and in the same breath asked was he my baby?

My baby? I don't think so. I'm a member of the 5-0 club.

Posted by J on December 25, 2006 at 12:52 AM

Now there was a true compliment. You must look as young as your fun-loving attitude.

But as any of us over 50 know, only a fool would want to start that over again at our age. I am, however, jealous about your grandbabies. But I can wait till the kids get through school.

I know Christmas is more for children, but it was fun watching my mother-in-law open her presents earlier tonight.

She just giggled and gushed over the most practical things. A new set of track lighting for her kitchen brought an exclamation of joy....she fell down and broke her hip earlier this fall, because she doesn't see as well as she used to.

And she was positively enraptured with her new copy of "An Inconvenient Truth" (thank you again, cam, for the info).

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SandyH on December 25, 2006 at 11:22 PM

DemocratKickingAss, you always find the latest bad news from Iraq. thankless job it is, so i thank you. while i seldom comment, i do appreciate your diligence

Posted by fade2bluz on December 25, 2006 at 09:21 PM

DKA,

I second fade. I don't have the stomach to post those articles anymore. You read them and it just makes you despair at the stupidity of all these "democracy-building" deaths. Thanks for doing the necessary.

Just how many millions of Shiites are their in Baghdad and the South of Iraq? Just how many deployments of 30,000 Amerian troops will it take before the odds are in our favor?

The killings will end when the Shiites decide they will stop. And they aren't going to be in any mood to make peace as long as Bush keeps sending in more soliders to force the issue. This man is like a bull in a china shop. Powell had him pegged with that pottery quotation.

How about Edwards/Powell in 2008? Only the fundies and overt racists (and there seems to be more and more GOP office holders with that MO proudly stepping forward these days) would vote for Romney or Newt with that kind of ticket in place.

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SandyH on December 25, 2006 at 11:38 PM

Syria seems to be the key to a lot of things in the Middle East right now. It is primarily Sunni but deals well with Iran and Hezballah and al Sadr. It's strategic location with regards to Lebanon and Iraq make them natural diplomatic envoys.

One cannot ignore the fact that Syria has a natural interest in stablizing both Iraq and Lebanon...unless you are a neocon who looks at all the countries in the region as ignorant clients that must be led not consulted.

I wonder how many of these Arab League nations are sitting there just like we are waiting out the end of the Bush era, so issues can be finally addressed and solutions found? What a waste of time.

I think the new Democratic Congress should throw themselves completely into alternative fuels legislation and funding. If we have to wait two more years to address peace in Iraq, at least we can be working on something that can be used in negotiations when the time comes.

Our military deserves better than this, but we really don't have much choice unless Bush divorces Laura and decided to marry Jeff Gannon. Then the GOP would back impeachment. Cheney's robotic heart would break and they both would be gone.

Two years actually isn't that long of time in the great scheme of things. We can pass some major legislation in that time even though Bush will veto it all. But it will give the nation some hope and encourage a good turn out in 2008.

It just may be the best of times and worst of times. I say let's look on the bright side.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 12:11 AM

Well, everybody seems to have slipped into an eggnog stupor. So I'll bid you all a good night.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 12:13 AM

another christmas is past. next weekend new years eve and then the democratic congress gets seated. things should get interesting.

raining here in the hudson valley. started around six or so. makes the light coming thru the windows into the house from the tree outside i decorated with lights even prettier as it passes thru the drops of water on the storm window. the pooch got to play with her sister today and they go at it really hard as two, two year old mostly labs can...she is snoring over in the corner as is most everyone else in the house so i guess i will join them...be well.

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gregg on December 26, 2006 at 12:13 AM

I was going to post a heartwarming story about a rich CEO person giving to the needy...then I realized there is no need to on this blog.

I'm just a lurker, therefore, I feel extra fortunate to have crossed path with many of you... and to read all of the new posters.

J., the weather was gloomy and wet here today, the perfect day to spend hanging out with my daughter, watching old movies.

I hope everybody is enjoying the holiday, and Gregg, give the pooch an extra milk bone from me.

Sweet dreams everybody.

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GiG on December 26, 2006 at 12:27 AM

nite gig. sweet dreams.

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gregg on December 26, 2006 at 12:29 AM

BlueMoon,

I'm talking presidential not congressional candidates. But I do find those statistics interesting. Where did you get them from? Is it true in all regions? How about Hispanic and Native American or bi-racial candidates?

I think there is a definite shift in racial attitudes along generational lines. I really don't have anything to back that claim up, however. But it just seems that the attitude toward bi-racial couples in the last 30 years has changed so much.

It's very common among young people to date whomever they want. No one is shocked anymore to find out that blacks and whites are married. Hispanics routinely mark themselves as white on government forms unless they are offered a different choice. I think the times are changing and so are preceptions.

But there is still a lingering, deep-seated prejudice that rears its head when you least expect it. The die hards have been operating below the surface to undermine these perceptions. But by coming out in the open through GOP initiatives like trying to kill affirmative action, they are calling their own behavior into question among these younger people.

While they may have been pretty apatheic about voting to this point, these young people are now getting married and having kids. They will make up a large voting block in the very near future. I don't think they are going to necessarily vote the way their grandparents or parents did.

I'm pushing off for the night, but please leave any links you have on this subject. Thanks.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 12:38 AM

Sweet dreams, GiG.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 12:46 AM

One last post for the night which relates to what I t I said above:

Camaraderie key for U.S. blacks fighting in Iraq

By Matthew Bigg Mon Dec 25

ATLANTA (Reuters) - When people ask Tracy Smith to describe the year she spent in
Iraq with the Georgia Army National Guard, she bluntly responds, "It sucked. ... What do you want me to say?"

The 48th Brigade lost 26 soldiers during a tour south of Baghdad that ended in May.

But Smith said the camaraderie she experienced with her unit was a high point of her life. It transcended racial barriers in a way she'd never seen before as a black American.

"You have to muster every ounce of strength you can muster for that situation. Any differences go out of the window -- white, black, male, female, Jew, Muslim," she told Reuters.

"You get shot at. You're in the same uniform. You're going to have to employ every ounce of that training to get back to your camp ... in one piece and not in that nasty little bag that you have in your Humvee to put body parts in."...

//news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061225/ts_nm/iraq_usa_blacks_dc

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 12:50 AM

Hey ho,

It's still Christmas on the left coast.
I think real musicians are sent here, or come here, to help to connect us to some higher awareness of reality/mind. I noticed this about my friend Brian Ray when we used to play in a band when we were 12-14 years old - there was something odd and different about him. He was so naturally talented that it discouraged me to somewhat struggle at what he was capable of doing seemingly effortlessly.

Brian came through here last year and what a trip it was for me to see him, like 20 feet away, playing Beatles stuff next to Paul McCartney.

I guess McCartney is like that too; just can't help himself; plays music all day long.

-------
81% of Americans believe in angels, poll says
There's no single definition for one, however, and believers include many people of no religious affiliation

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
*****
An overwhelming majority - almost regardless of backgrounds and religious convictions - think that angels are real, according to an AP-AOL News poll exploring attitudes about Santa Claus, angels and more.

Belief in angels, however people define them, is highest - almost universal - among white evangelical Christians, 97 percent of whom trust in their existence, the poll indicates. But even among people with no religious affiliation, well more than half said that angels are for real.

• Protestants, women, Southerners, Midwesterners and Republicans were the most likely to believe in angels, although strong majorities in other groups also shared that faith.

Belief in angels declined slightly with advanced education, from 87 percent of those with high-school education or less to 73 percent of those with college degrees. Overall, 81 percent believed in angels.

www.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ/MGArticle/WSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149192331254

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TomN on December 26, 2006 at 01:05 AM

Interestingly, when a Congressional candidate is black and a Democrat, 36% of Democrats do not vote for him/her. When a Congressional candidate is black and a Republican, 21% of Republicans do not vote for him/her.

Posted by BlueMoon on December 26, 2006 at 12:11 AM

That is the most retarded line of bull crap I have heard in a while. DNC Moderators must have just taken a quick bathroom break cuz I don't know how you slipped in with that bold faced lie. Christmas hasn't be over 10 minuets and there you go with this.

Liar!

Fact: Black Congressional Republicans can't win even in a Black DISTRICT (Micheal Uncle Tom Steele R-MD)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 01:13 AM

Oh, By the way 93% of Democrats voted for Harold Ford.

Fight Fiction With Facts!

2007 is going to be a wonderful year for Democrats!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 01:25 AM

Oooops, I forgot to post the link to the FACTS!

Here ya Go!


;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 01:36 AM

BBL,

Huff Po's talking about Joseph Biden.


He's an interesting guy.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 02:05 AM

It's even worse than that. Clink on my username. Did you know we, the Tax Payer are funding the killing of innocent Iraqi people and those who are killing our Troops ?

Seriously, check it out.

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Did Anyone happen to see this movie?


Crying Wolf.

:O

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 03:35 AM

Posted by BlueMoon on December 26, 2006 at 04:17 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Whatever.

Washington Post is a RIGHT-WING publication and everyone knows that so to quote them as some reputable news source is insanly anti-progressive.

I read this stupid little article and saw so many things that were wrong with it,I was laughing.

1.) All this according to a study during 1982 till 2000? Are you friggen kidding me? Like we're supposed to really pay attention to the flippen "Reagan Years" ? That little study excludes the two most srongest components to the Democratic Party electorate today;

The Latch Keys and Generation X and the Majority Race within their Democraphic that has literally changed the face of the Party as a whole.

Try posting some updated stuff next time like I did for you.Talk about me not seeing the world the way it is as opposed to how I wish.Look at the LEMON calling the BANANA Sour. Sorry, we are no longer living in the Reagan Years.It's 2006.

2.) If you look at todays numbers, you will see that there are not even enough Whites in the Democratic Party for the Constituency as a whole to give a rats poop about how a few Southern Dixicratic Bigots vote based on the race of the candidate.

3.) Most of the Bigots today are in the Republican Party. After Pat Buchanan, Bill Frist, Trent Lott, Tom De Lay and George Bush turned the Party into the All New and Improved Ku Klux Klan with a little fake White Blond/Blue Jesus on the side, there really are'nt a lot of Dixicrats and Jim Crows hanging out under our Progressive tent these days. Why they feel mighty welcome over there on the Right.

4.)As far as Ms. Ebonyna Washington, a mere "Teachers Aid" goes, she just recently graduated and she's an Anti-Liberal Conservative who has her own ideas and uses her little diploma as some sort of fodder to get them out. The opinion of one Teachers Aide who still lives on Campus might be worth something to Washington Post, but that doesn't mean a hill of beans to the rest of us.

She is certainly not one who should be esteemed as an expert on Race Relations and Politics. As a matter of fact, she her self is still , what's the word, oh "expressing an interest in Race and Politics". Just because you are interested doesn't mean your opinions automatically become fact. She's a Conservative who thinks what she says has some great signifigance because she went to Yale.

So did George Bush.

Nuff said.

Save it!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 05:36 AM

Good Morning Dem's....Prior to the invasion of Iraq, critical intell was withheld, other intell was spun, the net result of which was to deceive both the American people and Congress. Therefore, the Resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq was fraudulently obtained. Congress should revoke this authorization and should freeze funding to the money that is already in the pipeline to allow for an orderly and safe withdrawal of our troops from Iraq. Saudi Arabia is backing the Sunni's and Iran is backing the Shia and our troops are caught in between. The idea that through a "surge" of troops we can somehow stabilize Baghdad is a pipe dream. It is being proposed that these additional troops stay in the areas at night. Doing that would make them easy prey for Iraqi snipers and for triangulated ambushes. How many more American lives are to be sacrificed? Another 3000, another 5000? It is time for us to negotiate with all the interested parties in the areas to obtain a cease fire and bring our troops home. WE need to live up to the promises we made to our volunteer military and not extend them for 3 and 4 tours of duty and we need to take better care of those who have been maimed in "Bush's Folly."

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 05:56 AM

Amen! goodfoe!


I agree 100%.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 06:02 AM

Thx FOS...there are those who will say that we can't get the votes to revoke the war resolution, but we won't know that until we try. Putting such legislation on the floor of both the House and the Senate will give those Democrats who voted for the war reolution the chance to get back on the right side of this issue and it will force the Republicans to take a position. It might be that we can pick up some votes from Republicans who want to distance themselves from Mr. Bush prior to the "08 elections. If we come up with the votes and Mr. Bush veto's the legislation, he will be digging the Republicans an even deeper hole to crawl out of. If we don't come up with the votes, nothing is lost, the focus will still be on Iraq. The only way Bush can win on this is if a "surge" of troops worked. The cances of that happening is about 10'000 to 1

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 06:37 AM

Posted by goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 06:37 AM
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Your exactly right. The Democrats must hold the Bush Administration accountable by keeping the ball in Georgie Boys court. Everyone is looking at the dems right now.


"What are they gonna do?"


The Democrats do not have a choice. They must answer this question and put the ball back in the Presidents court.The Democrats must end the funding for this mess and revoke the War Resolution. They must take charge. The fear of what might happen to them politically if they do is starting to get old. I'd rather take a chance on the "What if" than on the reality of "what will" happen to the Democrats if they attempt to sit on their butts for the next two years. They will be out of the Democratic Party or they will be forced to run as loser Independents.This time, we will get better candidates than Lamont too.


They better realize the American people are not playing games anymore with them and we Democratic Constituents will be even harder on them than everyone else.

This aint a game and I feel sorry for what's gonna happen to any Democratic Congressman who thinks it is.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 06:49 AM

Good morning FOS and goodfoe

Debating the war so early?

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J on December 26, 2006 at 06:51 AM

And Happy Kwanzaa to anyone that celebraes!

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J on December 26, 2006 at 06:54 AM

Interestingly, when a Congressional candidate is black and a Democrat, 36% of Democrats do not vote for him/her. When a Congressional candidate is black and a Republican, 21% of Republicans do not vote for him/her.

Posted by BlueMoon on December 26, 2006 at 12:11 AM

BlueMoon that eggnog must have had a "buzz" to it. Did you just pull this out of thin air?

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:01 AM

4.)As far as Ms. Ebonyna Washington, a mere "Teachers Aid" goes, she just recently graduated and she's an Anti-Liberal Conservative who has her own ideas and uses her little diploma as some sort of fodder to get them out. The opinion of one Teachers Aide who still lives on Campus might be worth something to Washington Post, but that doesn't mean a hill of beans to the rest of us.

She is certainly not one who should be esteemed as an expert on Race Relations and Politics. As a matter of fact, she her self is still , what's the word, oh "expressing an interest in Race and Politics". Just because you are interested doesn't mean your opinions automatically become fact. She's a Conservative who thinks what she says has some great signifigance because she went to Yale.

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 05:36 AM

So you've been digging in the trash again FOS, huh?

To begin with the reason the Reagan years are always toted around like something precious and dear is because for all the segregationists/conservatives, Reagan ushered in the beginning of the effort to destroy or turn back every piece of legislation/law designed to give blacks a footup. Oh honey they love this man. Just do some reading and see where he announced his candidacy for President, Philedelphia, Mississippi. Does that not speak volumes to all the racists and bigots. It was like gettin' out a blowhorn.

Many like to argue that Reagan wasn't a bigot, but was just led around by a pack of bigots. Yeah, yeah, uh huh. Even so remember, the man foremost and always was an actor.

And this Miss Ebonya or whatever? Another black conservative that has bought into that stupid conservative mindthink for black folks. Self-help, faith based, blah, blah,..... Oh Lord save me from these folks! Just because Miss thing got paper from Yale now she's a race relations expert? Yeah well I am too. I carry just as much paper as she does and guess what? I blog on a major political party site. So! Tell me something else.

Too early in the morning...... these folks make my, oh never mind.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:20 AM

good morning, everyone

John, did a little reading this weekend...very moving book you've written...and your 5:56 is spot on...well said

TomN is asleep, but i so agree with your comments about musicians (and artists)! and i read that piece on belief in angels earlier, too. i'm in the minority...

FOS, how i wish your characterization of the people were accurage. mostly, they sit on their seats and do nothing...know next to nothing and are intellectually lazy. the well-informed and active are a minority...and that is where there is hope. i thought Lamont was an excellent candidate and that campaign was incredible. more evidence of that minority...i do hope your scenario plays out. the last couple of months have been a disappointment, though.

good morning, J...it wasn't "thin air" that BlueMoon pulled that stuff out of, it was something to do with it's moonie side.

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 07:30 AM

Hi J,

Yeah. The Holidays are over. I am ready to go. It's time to get back to work. I'm giving the Democratic Leadership one more week to party and play, then that's it.

Petitions

E-Mails

HeartFelt Letters

Concerns

Rants

Political Threats

Feingold and Kagan are gonna want to shoot me by Months End!

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 07:31 AM

Hi Fade.

I have high hopes for the Democratic Consituency this time around.

;p

Just watch.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 07:33 AM

Good morning Fade

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:34 AM

It's not to early for me J, we buried two more young Marines this week in the Houston area...we need to bring our troops home as soon as we can do that with any degree of safety for the troops. We need to rebuild our forces, take care of our wounded and repair and replace the equipt that has been distroyed in Iraq so as to be in position to protect this country from a real threat.This is going to take big money in addition to all the money we have already wasted in Iraq. We will have spent 1/2 a trillion dollars bwfore we get out of Iraq. This money could have be better spent here in our own country for all sorts of needs such as education and health care, just to mention two. The city of New Orleans is another area where our federal government not only should have responded quicker, it is an area where the government should have DONE MORE. It is my feeling that more was not done is because most of the people effected are poor and blck and Democratic voters. It's almost as if this administration said, "To hell with them. Let them die, that's fewer democratic votes we'll have to overcome" To me, pure racism practiced by our own government which is supposed to represent all the people.

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 07:34 AM

The leaker of the Plame--now this:

Obama running in 2008

In the same column, Novak reports that Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) has made up his mind and will be running for president and that his strength is, in part, responsible for potential rival Senator Hillary Clinton's (D-NY) recent statements that she would have opposed the resolution approving the invasion of Iraq, if she had full knowledge of the information which came to light afterwards.

According to Novak, gossip regarding security fears based on the senator's race isn't a factor anymore.

"The word has spread through political circles that Obama's wife, Michelle, is resisting the campaign out of fear for her husband's physical safety as an African-American candidate for president," Novak writes. "But an Obama insider dismissed that as a problem."

The insider allegedly said, "We took care of that last summer."

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 07:39 AM

For the American people, I don't think they are expecting the DEMs to snap their fingers and make all the bad legislative and terrible issues to disappear, BUT we are expecting to see them work toward getting SOME things passed and hard work done on others. And legislation that doesn't have a thousand tailflyers tagged on that virtually negate the legislation itself.

I hope Harry Reid means what he said about folks earning their salary and having to put in long hours. Everyone else has to do it, so what makes Congressional members exempt?

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:39 AM

Sorry about the typos, etc, I hit the "post" by mistake before I was ready to post.

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 07:39 AM

J,

No they don't expect Dems to make it all go away......................................


today.


However, YES . The American people expect the Democrats to do what they said they were going to do which was,

"Together, We can do better"


I just want to make sure that I do my part to assist my Democratic Leadership in keeping that promise. Sitting on our asses is not Doing Better.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 07:45 AM

As I have stated before the first 100 hours should be divided into two segments, one for foreign policy/War in Iraq and the other to deal with domestic issues. It's time to burn the midninght oil in DC. I have sat up until the wee hours for clients and I was gettin' paid a hell of a lot less than Congress is or even the staffers. It's called "work" and it's time to start doing it. Maybe I need to get a job description for these folks.

There has got to be a consensous on that flippin' war and it was time long ago to stop an idiot who really has no clue as to what to do, to stop running the show unchallenged.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:46 AM

There has got to be a consensous on that flippin' war and it was time long ago to stop an idiot who really has no clue as to what to do, to stop running the show unchallenged.

Posted by J on December 26, 2006 at 07:46 AM

Ditto!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 07:48 AM

FOS: i hope you're correct~more than words can say.

now where are CYN and gregg? Sandy, hope your hubby is feeling better...Essie must be visiting with the carpenter, not slackin' off...

GiG, it was nice to see you


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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 07:48 AM

I just want to make sure that I do my part to assist my Democratic Leadership in keeping that promise. Sitting on our asses is not Doing Better.

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 07:45 AM

Think I need to step back into a supervisory role here? :)

It's time to get down to work. I'm all for some fun and slackin' off as Es says, BUT ......

Time for some productivity.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:49 AM

Fade...Top of the mornin' to you!...I hope our book was not too graphic for you. I felt it had to be that way. 130,000 men die from prostate cancer and another 80,000 Americans die from bladder cancer every year. I was trying to motivate people to get the cancer screening that they need. Most people procratinate on this even when they have insurance. On the issue of criminal fruad by private health ins. companies in this country, it is the norm, not the exception. One thing that Congress could do on this is a low or no cost situation: standardise, simplify policy provisions in all private health insurance policies and enact sever penalities for those who cheat patients out of coverage they are entitled to. I'm sending out emails and letters on this now...Have a great day!!!

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 07:51 AM

Gotta get GIG some good weather. Not much down here. Just rain and tornadoes.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:51 AM

See. After January, Steve Kagen's website better be updated. This right here is rediculous.

Russ Feingold needs to update his website too.This looks old.

I want it looking flashy, shiney and pretty.


;p


I;m just playin ya'll. I have to go. Have a good one.

(Smak)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 07:54 AM

Posted by goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 07:51 AM

Good morning

Being a 16 year cancer survivor, I'm always highlighting screenings for the different cancers.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:54 AM

Yeah me too. Need some coffee

Everybody hang in there for the day

FOS, keep the faith

Peace \/

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:56 AM

goodfoe, it's graphic but, then, the truth often is. your work on showing us what the consequences of health systems that are for profits and not the patients is incredibly important. thank you for telling the truth...

it's like those slideshows on the war that show the grief, the children dying, the parents screaming out in pain...if we saw more of that, this war would be over.

it's not by denial that we learn to find truth.

hope you have a great day, too!!

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 07:59 AM

Good morning gregg and Cyn. Catch you later.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 07:59 AM

Good morning everyone!

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Kristen on December 26, 2006 at 08:05 AM

Christmas at Camp David

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Kristen on December 26, 2006 at 08:09 AM

{{{Kristen}}}

Happy Holiday greetings to you, my friend! Wow--you're up early today. Wish I didn't have to leave for work yet...read ya later!

Thanks for the Horsey...which is so true~

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 08:14 AM

Have a great day {{{Fade!}}}

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Kristen on December 26, 2006 at 08:31 AM

Good morning, everyone.

Forget Polls, Long Shots Say It's About the Message

For two people from opposing sides of the ideological spectrum, Reps. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) have quite a bit in common.

Both have announced they are running for president. Both believe that their views on the Iraq war will be crucial to their campaigns. And both are given virtually no chance to succeed.

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 08:35 AM

morning neighbors.

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gregg on December 26, 2006 at 08:37 AM

Me? Slacking? It's a day off work...I'm slacking big time. A few calls about Z's reception next week and driving up to T County for meeting with the committee later this afternoon is the only "work" I plan on doing.

I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and are enjoying the holiday season.

Sharing more news I'm reading this morning:

Senate Committee Staff Directors Set Session Agenda

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 08:39 AM

Good mornin Dems. This may be my last post before being washed into the sea. We had 3 inches of rain yesterday...and that was after breakfast. The family wondered why the dingy was inflated in the garage.

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salutetheDems on December 26, 2006 at 08:41 AM

Good morning Es, Greg & Salute! Today is thankfully a day off for me as well, except it doesn't hold the luster of holiday cheer that yesterday did. My oldest returns to Las Vegas this afternoon and the last week just seemed to go too fast.

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Kristen on December 26, 2006 at 08:50 AM

Morning, fabulous Dems! Hope everyone had a great holiday weekend...whichever weekend it happend to be.

Wife and I finally got a chance last night to watch "Iraq For Sale" last night. One of the special features, in case someone hasn't seen the DVD, is a piece on important votes in the Senate and House on the contracts in Iraq. Now, if ya still get people asking "But what did the Democrats do?" why don't you direct their attention to the numerous amendments they brought to the defense authorization bills that were voted down COMPLETELY along party lines.


I'll tell you, after seeing that, my wife was PISSED at the MSM. "Why don't they ever tell us about this stuff?" she asks me. I immediately pointed to the next film to go on our Netflix list...."Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism"

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 08:54 AM

Here I am! Still trying to pick up the place after the celebration. That little 2 year old granddaughter can certainly "redecorate". Hope everyone had a dazzling day. I took today off as past experience tells me it takes 24 hours to get my place back to normal and distribute left-overs to relatives.

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Cyn_NY on December 26, 2006 at 09:08 AM

Begin withdrawing, redeploying troops now

The time has come for the United States to begin the process of getting our troops out of Iraq.

In Baghdad last week, I joined in a conversation with a West Point graduate who is serving in Iraq. He said, "Senator, it is nuts over here. Soldiers are being asked to do work we're not trained to do. I'm doing work that State Department people are far more prepared to do in fostering democracy, but they're not allowed to come off the bases because it's too dangerous here. It doesn't make any sense."

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 09:49 AM

Chris Dodd has it right. We must bring our troopes home, circle the wagons and fight this "war" with the radical Islamist with intelligence. The horn of Africa needs attention.

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salutetheDems on December 26, 2006 at 10:08 AM

Good morning from a soggy central NC! Hope y'all's Christmases and Hannukahs were wonderful, and that Kwanzaa brings love and fellowship.

We had a mostly-quiet long weekend and got a little more packing done. It's amazing how much "just plain crap" accumulates. Stuff you don't dare put in a trash can for fear of identity theft is becoming rather handy packing material. Unfortunately, we've managed to kill a shredder already and have to get another one this week. So much for the paperless society (HAH!). Nobody told the bulk-mail people or our pug senators. My Dem Congressman has begun answering email with email -- smart man that he is!! Our idiot senators just have their boiler-rooms print out continuously unimaginative boilerplate.

As I said, the only value in their mindless repetitions of Rove-spew is to shred for packing plates and tschatchkes.

Great day and have a great week, kiddos.

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HillWilliam on December 26, 2006 at 10:14 AM

HillWilliam...Have fun moving into your "new Diggs"....Later....

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 10:52 AM

Good morning, everyone.

Glad to see so many of you are up and running this morning for a new change in direction in Washington comes January 4.

* * *

When in the love of God is this corporate BS going to stop? If diabetes II is a threat in the workplace, then I suppose anyone with high blood pressure or severe acme are the next threats. Why in the world are the American people allowing this health care crisis to continue with multinationals determining who gets coverage?

Costs of a Crisis
Diabetics Confront a Tangle of Workplace Laws

A Complicated Process Stephen A. Bokat, general counsel for the United States Chamber of Commerce, says businesses are torn...

By N. R. KLEINFIELD
Published: December 26, 2006

MINNEAPOLIS — John Steigauf spent more than a decade fiddling with the innards of those huge United Parcel Service trucks until an icy day two years ago when the company put him on leave from his mechanic’s job. A supervisor escorted him off the premises.

His work was good. He hadn’t socked the boss or embezzled money. It had to do with what was inside him: diabetes.

U.P.S. framed it as a safety issue: Mr. Steigauf’s blood sugar might suddenly plummet while he tested a truck, causing him to slam into someone...
//www.nytimes.com/2006/12/26/health/26workplace.html?_r=1&ei=5094&en=de6a52faec8a6305&hp=&ex=1167109200&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1167149439-+lLKAbcAqZwOziKjrQ+rNw


We need universal health insurance NOW. This has to be a top priority for our next presidential candidate. No more fudging and talking about taking one step at a time.

It's finally become politically expedient among Americans from all walks of life to get rid of Paris Hilton's tax cut and start tending to the sick. It's like saying we are for redeploying our troops from Iraq. It needs to be done and the public wants it done.

We don't have to be afraid of stating the obvious anymore.....more troops have died in Iraq than on 9/11. The watershed has been reached.

As FOS said earlier today...we no longer have to stand idle. January 4 ushers in a new day unless Reid, Pelosi, and the rest of our Congressional delegation wimp out on us. It’s time for tough talk.

We can no longer afford any more neocon and corporate welfare. Our citizens (not multinationals and their oil interests) come first...and those that are in trouble come before any of the rest of us. We must help out the sick, our broken military, the ailing environment, and our national security at home with bold new alternative energy legislation.

Our nation and democracy are in worse shape than many Middle Eastern nations at this point. It's time to tend to our own problems. The world and its economy will keep on turning without Bush/Cheney's expert globalization incompetence.

later.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 11:53 AM

Sandy,

Remember back, not terribly long ago, diabetes was fairly rare. Autism was exceedingly rare. So was Alzheimers and many other disorders that seem to be mass-plaguing Americans.

Since the pugs came to power, they've opined that "a little mercury is good for you", that calls for clean air and safe food are just librul whining.

Wake up, America! Corporate greed gone amok is what's killing us. When the worth of a bottom line exceeds the worth of the individuals who work themselves (quite literally) to death for it (and receive none of the benefit or bounty thereof), then true reform isn't just needed -- it has become absolutely vital to the survival of America and Americans.

Remember when you could see miles and miles of green countryside? Now we have shitbox condo-minimums everywhere, cities are filthy and in an embarrassing state of disrepair, mountaintops are being scraped down into golf courses atop cesspools of unthinkably toxic waste. No city in the Union is any longer than 48 hours away from complete shutdown. To wit: New Orleans and a good chunk of the Gulf Coast.

SCOTUS long ago ruled that corporations are "individuals" under the law, but the pugs have taken that opinion to mean that their corporate cronies can do as they damn well please, with no regard for the impacts they bring on our health, our land, and our resources.

That's enough of this mess, right there. Until we get all-for-profit corporations under control, reign in the zillion-dollar-salary CEOs who rule autocratically and without regard to law or plain human decency, put a lid on the nutcase right-wing cults who buy into every manner of fantasy (but disregard real threats like mercury, lead, corn syrup as "made up"), things will only get worse.

It's WAAAYYYY PAST time for the grownups to step up to the plate in WDC. The Bushes, the Doles and Burrs, the Pombos and Delays must be made to serve some hard time out in the real world. Personally, I believe they ought to start out where they belong, some place like Draper Maximum Security to open their eyes to the messes they have made, the lives they have cut short and the real people they have hurt.

One parting shot... yeah, you can call Bush and Cheney (and their cronies) "experts" alright. "Ex" as in "former" and "spurt" as in "a drip under pressure".

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HillWilliam on December 26, 2006 at 12:33 PM

Culture: Out of many, one

Next month, Keith Ellison, a 42-year-old lawyer elected to Congress from Minnesota, will take his oath of office with a Quran instead of a Bible.

We cannot think of a more inspiring application of the First Amendment because this demonstrates, in a practical way, how this country truly reflects what a congressional committee pegged in 1776 as "E Pluribus Unum" or "Out of many, one."

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Kristen on December 26, 2006 at 12:42 PM

SandyH...HillWilliam....Kristen, Bravo! You folks are on the money this am...I'm going to just sit back and enjoy the rest of your posts....Ya'll have a great day!!!

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 12:55 PM

So the Saddam ruling has been upheld and the court took a step further stating that the execution should be carried out within 30 days. Anyone have an opinion on what this will do to a region already in chaos?

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Kristen on December 26, 2006 at 01:44 PM

Interestingly, when a Congressional candidate is black and a Democrat, 36% of Democrats do not vote for him/her. When a Congressional candidate is black and a Republican, 21% of Republicans do not vote for him/her.

Posted by BlueMoon on December 26, 2006 at 12:11 AM

BlueMoon,

Have you come up with that link for me?

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 01:54 PM

4.)As far as Ms. Ebonyna Washington, a mere "Teachers Aid" goes, she just recently graduated and she's an Anti-Liberal Conservative who has her own ideas and uses her little diploma as some sort of fodder to get them out. The opinion of one Teachers Aide who still lives on Campus might be worth something to Washington Post, but that doesn't mean a hill of beans to the rest of us.

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 05:36 AM

And so what is it YOU have that YOUR opinions should mean ANYTHING to ANYONE else?

I find it interesting you are jumping all over someone whose research indicates whites of EITHER party will jump party lines if their party's candidate is black. I find it interesting that instead of being concerned that this might be a problem within the Democratic party and trying to find out that if it is, how best to handle it, you just immediately dismiss it out of hand. If you really think that in the last six years, discrimination has just *POOF* disappeared from everyone who isn't a Republican, *I* think you need to get some different colored glasses.

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 02:05 PM

SandyH,

BlueMoon posted the link to the article above somewhere, but here it is again:

Whites Take Flight on Election Day

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 02:08 PM

Kristen,

I assume that the passing on one sadistic bastard won't make much difference with all those mutilated bodies piling up in the streets each morning. There is an ethnic cleansing going on in Baghdad.

Saddam's execution can only escalate the violence in the whole country. The Sunnis in neighboring countries are aready sharpening their sabers with thoughts of revenge...not for Saddam but for the innocent deaths of the children caught up in this neocon charade.

If this is Cheney's idea of how to keep the oil fields safe and Muslim's off Israeal's back, he's wrong again. It only makes sense that at some point to end the violence against each other that the two warring factions will join togehter and go after their favorite scapegoat within the region.

We best hope that they can hold their hand till after the next president takes office.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 02:09 PM

I actually don't have a strong opinion on Obama and really not happy with the idea of having to vote for Clinton but given the topic I thought this was worth sharing.

Clinton and Obama: Don't count them out

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Kristen on December 26, 2006 at 02:41 PM

Thanks, GregL and Black Moon.

I still don't see how comparing a Maryland Senate race with congressional races equals what would happen in a presidential race with a black on the ticket. It's comparing apples, oranges, and grapefruit. It's also assuming that all candidates are the same.

I would think a military hero like Powell would have a much different appeal than Harold Ford. Obama is married and has a conservative background versus a single Ford with a family political machine background.

Saying people in some regions may not vote for a black purely because of the color of their skin might be true to some extent with one faction of voters, but I can't see how you can apply this to the country as a whole.

But it was interesting to see how this worked in Maryland with Michael S. Steele. Yet Maryland is not the typical situation either. A lot of those border states are in a flux with populations and demographics changing rapidly.

I don't think much of studies that make generalized conclusions about complicated issues. There are too many other variables that enter into a decision about voting, especialy in a presidential race.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 03:26 PM

I don't think much of studies that make generalized conclusions about complicated issues. There are too many other variables that enter into a decision about voting, especialy in a presidential race.

Posted by SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 03:26 PM

:snort:

Like there are studies that DON'T make generalized conclusions? That's all that polls are, yet people here seem to make so much of them. My major complaint is the fact that someone was throwing out the results of a mathematically based study simply because of their belief (not backed by ANY evidence) that the person conducting the study was a conservative. I have not been able to find one shred of evidence that DR. Ebonya Washington is either liberal OR conservative in her political beliefs.

However, I do agree that a presidential race is different than a Congressional race.

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:35 PM

Kristen,

Edwards has been working those grassroots for four years now. I don't see how anyone could rule him out in the primaries. Clinton may have the money/fund raising advantage and Obama the vibe, but Edwards has a little of both.

And it really does't matter who has the lead now. What Bush does in the next two years may influence the process more than any of the candidates themselves.

But I do like it that there are lots of candidates still in the chase. Obama needs to test the waters. I'm glad he contemplating a run.

But a dark horse could come out of no where with as many problems as this nation faces. All anyone needs when the primary starts is to be on top of the right issue at the right time. Time will tell.

However, I would be depressed to be a Republican. All thei top contenders have been torpedoed in some way with those remaining looking sort of like second tier.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 03:36 PM

Posted by GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:35 PM

GregL,

People here make so much of polls?

You haven't been reading here long. Most of us have never taken any stock in polls and feel they are always slanted by the questions asked and how they are asked.

Who cares if the good PHD is a conservative or liberal? She obviously doesn't think much of the chances of any black running. Most political junkies love the not too exact science of horse racing not statistics.

To each his or her own.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 03:42 PM

I like Edwards. I'm not sure why I like him, but I do.

Hey, you know what would be nice in 2008? If we could make the Democratic primary about who is best for the job, not who can kiss ass better. I'm sick of candidates making it to the top because their tongues are longer.

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:48 PM

Oh, and that last post was directed at our political leaders, not at the good folks here at the blog. Bloggers have more sense than politicians.

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:52 PM

The number of bad ideas being ramped up by this White House just continues to grow:

Military considers recruiting foreigners

By Bryan Bender, The BostonGlobe Staff | December 26, 2006

WASHINGTON -- The armed forces, already struggling to meet recruiting goals, are considering expanding the number of noncitizens in the ranks -- including disputed proposals to open recruiting stations overseas and putting more immigrants on a faster track to US citizenship if they volunteer -- according to Pentagon officials.

Foreign citizens serving in the US military is a highly charged issue, which could expose the Pentagon to criticism that it is essentially using mercenaries to defend the country. Other analysts voice concern that a large contingent of noncitizens under arms could jeopardize national security or reflect badly on Americans' willingness to serve in uniform...

//www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/12/26/military_considers_recruiting_foreigners/


Are we going to train them how to fly planes into buildings or nuclear silos?

We are already draining the military budget with "privatizede contractors" who hire foreign mercenaries and poor laborers ripe for recruitment...by terrorist organizations. Why not amp up the process and recruit al Queada's brightest and most dedicated...and give them citizenship?

No wonder Bush insisted that all American citizens must be candidates for unwarranted surveillance, imprisoned, and tortured. Gonzales most have calculated the odds with this recruitment policy and figured we would be at extreme risk.

But what the hell, nothing else seems to be working in the war on terror. Let's try this, too.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 03:59 PM

Posted by GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:48 PM

Are you suggesting that Dr. Dean run again?

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 04:03 PM

Sandy,

Maybe there's not much mention of polls right now, but that seems to fluctuate from day to day and depending on what the hot topic of the day is. And I've been reading this blog for the past 2 years now. Just haven't posted much in the past year.

As to who cares if Ebonya Washington is conservative or liberal....


4.)As far as Ms. Ebonyna Washington, a mere "Teachers Aid" goes, she just recently graduated and she's an Anti-Liberal Conservative who has her own ideas and uses her little diploma as some sort of fodder to get them out. The opinion of one Teachers Aide who still lives on Campus might be worth something to Washington Post, but that doesn't mean a hill of beans to the rest of us.

She is certainly not one who should be esteemed as an expert on Race Relations and Politics. As a matter of fact, she her self is still , what's the word, oh "expressing an interest in Race and Politics". Just because you are interested doesn't mean your opinions automatically become fact. She's a Conservative who thinks what she says has some great signifigance because she went to Yale.

So did George Bush.


Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 05:36 AM

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 04:03 PM

I think their is a definite bias against academic among most Americans. The ivy tower intellectuals tend to come up unworkable policies that anger those of us who have to clean up after their pie in the sky policy initiatives.

FOS obviously doesn't like the Yale variety. I suppose because that's where George Bush got his credentials.

I still don't see how he graduated and then was granted a masters from Harvard's business school. There must have been a lot of money exchanging hands at the alumni level....how many Bush family outhouses did that build on campus?

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 04:11 PM

Posted by GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:48 PM

Are you suggesting that Dr. Dean run again?

Posted by SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 04:03 PM

Possibly. Actually what I want is a primary where the winner isn't friggin decided by two or three states. What I want is a primary where I can easily find out what each and every candidate stands for. Ok, not actually me, but the masses who don't know how to find the information on their own.

Course, I'm also the guy who thinks the nightly news should have a 10-15 minute segment highlighting what went on in Congress that day.

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 04:11 PM

Course, I'm also the guy who thinks the nightly news should have a 10-15 minute segment highlighting what went on in Congress that day.

Posted by GregL on December 26, 2006 at 04:11 PM

I like that idea.

But it would probably lead to another Russian Revolution. The public is ticked off already with the Beltway mentality.

Gotta run. later.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 04:19 PM

If they knew they'd be on the nightly news every night, you don't think it might entice them to behave better? CSpan doesn't count, cuz they know no one watches it...cept Randi Rhodes.

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GregL on December 26, 2006 at 04:24 PM

hey we need a new thread!

please?

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gregg on December 26, 2006 at 04:52 PM

I find it interesting you are jumping all over someone whose research indicates whites of EITHER party will jump party lines if their party's candidate is black.

Posted by GregL on December 26, 2006 at 02:05 PM

My major complaint is the fact that someone was throwing out the results of a mathematically based study simply because of their belief (not backed by ANY evidence) that the person conducting the study was a conservative. I have not been able to find one shred of evidence that DR. Ebonya Washington is either liberal OR conservative in her political beliefs.

Posted by GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:35 PM

First of all GregL, the fact that this woman would use strict mathematical evidence to base a hypothesis/conclusion that overwhelmingly has many, many influencing factors and criteria tells me that 1. Her research skills are questionable 2. She predetermined what she wanted her conclusion to be 3. The study is therefore flawed and not reliable.

Now I can't speak for FOS, but I can do so for J and it's this: Ms. Washington didn't HAVE to announce her conservative/liberal stance. She did that with one her study choice and two her conclusion.

Oh yeah, this isn't a mathematical or conclusion based on precision, but I can "vibe" those conservatives out in a heart beat.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 05:03 PM

So Bush has gone to Texas to "rethink" Iraq course.

Hmm ........don't you need a brain for that?

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J on December 26, 2006 at 05:07 PM

Good evening fellow Democrats. I hope everyone's holiday(s) went well.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Obama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 05:27 PM

DES MOINES, Iowa -- The Tom Vilsack campaign said it will get out the message that he is the best nominee for the party. But an exclusive new poll by KCCI-TV shows he has some work to do in his own state.

KCCI released on Thursday the results of The Research 2000 Iowa Poll, which was conducted from Dec. 18-20.

The poll consisted of telephone interviews of 600 likely Iowa voters and has a margin of error of no more than plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Caucus Outlook
The poll asked Iowa Democrats which candidates they would vote for if the 2008 Democratic caucus were held today.

The top three candidates were Sen. John Edwards at 22 percent, Democratic U.S. Sen. Barack Obama at 22 percent and Vilsack at 12 percent. U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton of New York came in fourth at 10 percent.

KCCI political analyst Dennis Goldford said that Edwards left himself well-positioned from the caucuses.

"Barack Obama is the rock star of the moment. What's interesting is Vilsack is ahead of Hillary Clinton in Iowa," he said.

If the 2008 Republican Caucus were held today, Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain would be the top vote-getter, with 27 percent of Iowa Republicans polled saying they would pick him. Republican Rudy Guiliani was second with 26 percent, and Republican Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was third with only 9 percent of votes overall.

All of those polled were asked if the 2008 presidential election were today, would they vote for Vilsack or McCain, and 41 percent said they would vote for Vilsack, with 72 percent of Democrats saying they would choose the Iowa governor, but only 9 percent of Republicans saying they would choose him.

http://www.kcci.com/politics/10585392/detail.html

I know it's still way too early for this but, wow, Sen. Clinton is in fourth and Sen. Obama is tied for the lead? My candidate, VP Gore, is fifth and he hasn't even announced. However, Sen. Obama has got to be thinking about what happened to Gov. Dean and Ned Lamont after being bestowed with this so-called "rock star" status. I sincerely hopes he fares better than "President" Dean or "Senator" Lamont.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Obama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 05:41 PM

J,

I don't believe Bush went back to the ranch to "rethink" Iraq or cut back any brush either.

He just wants to hide from Uncle Baker and the conclusions from the Iraq study group. Or maybe he needs some drug therapy?

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 05:46 PM

SandyH

Well doesn't take much to hide I guess.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 05:57 PM

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Gore-Obama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 05:41 PM

Bob,

I hope Obama hangs in there for the long haul. It would be so easy to ride the wave into shore and fall off at the last minute. I personally wouldn't want to be watched closely 24/7 for two years by Rove and his dirty tricks machine.

The good news is that the best they have running on their side are two "liberal" Republicans and a born-again Mitt Romney...."I'm more liberal than Teddy Kennedy."

The Right must feel like they have been abandoned by the GOP. And the Rockefeller wing of the party don't trust any of them either.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 06:02 PM

Dozens killed by Baghdad blasts
More than 30 people have been killed and scores hurt in a wave of car blasts in Baghdad, Iraqi officials say. Full Story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6209591.stm

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DemocratKickingAss on December 26, 2006 at 06:05 PM

The aftermath of the car bombing in Iraq.
Watch the video:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/video/71000/nb/71560_16x9_nb.asx

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DemocratKickingAss on December 26, 2006 at 06:07 PM

I still don't see how he graduated and then was granted a masters from Harvard's business school. There must have been a lot of money exchanging hands at the alumni level....how many Bush family outhouses did that build on campus?

Posted by SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 04:11 PM

Yeah SandyH, I remember when Fade told me in a post that George W had an MBA and the first thought that crossed my mind was how much money changed hands to get him this piece of paper?

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J on December 26, 2006 at 06:27 PM

Posted by SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 06:02 PM

I agree with you, Sandy. Their front runners are Sen. McCain, Mayor Guiliani, and Gov. Romney. All three are moderates. Sen. McCain is courting the far right "wackelogicals" with no conviction, the mayor may as well be a Democrat except for his positions on crime and punishment, and the "wackelogicals" are going to freak over Gov. Romney being a Mormon. After all, it is written that no one should add or subtract anything to the Bible especially, a third testament. With Sen. Allen self-destructing and Sen. Brownback having no name recognition, the Republicans have yet to field anyone with bona fide conservative credentials. However, their tactics are transparent. They are going to try to do what we did this year; win the independents and moderates. By the time this President get finished with his second term, I doubt any Republican will want to hear his name ever again. Talk about being promoted to your highest level of incompetency...

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Obama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 06:29 PM

just driving through, not going to stay long, wanted to wish all of you a great evening

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 06:29 PM

J,

He's hiding alright. The strain is showing. Bush definitely doesn't have what it takes to make it through the long haul. Those vacations are going to come more often and last longer.

Just look at the last news conference. The strain is begining to take a toll. While Bush can BS with the best of them;, when the press smells fear, they go straight for the jugular.

The sweet scent of desperation with this new "surge" talk was whipping them into a frenzy, and it's not going to go away till the killings stop in Baghdad. Fat chance of that happening.

Two years of self-imposed hell is a big price for Spunky to pay for Cheney and Poppy's war profiteering and multinational globalization scam. The Bush crime family should have gone with a less "fragile" frontman.

Start watching for more cracks in the veneer. He's starting to leak. When the Godfather is crying in public, you wonder what form the implosion will take when Junior finally blows.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 06:31 PM

Posted by SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 06:31 PM

Don't be surprised to see a resignation due to "health reasons" from either the President or the Vice-President before Inaguration Day 2009.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Obama2008 on December 26, 2006 at 06:43 PM

It's hard "to chat" when the thread gets this long and the dial up folks can't post.

Bob,

When you're abandoning your standards faster than you can lower them, its time to go.

The Republicans are seen by the American public as so corrupt and inept that there's no way for them to redeem themselves by 2008...especially with Bush continuing to fuel the fire for the next two years.

And there is no Republican coalition left. They sold out everyone they roped in during the '80s and '90s. It was one of the greatest con jobs of all times. Everybody got screwed including the top 5% who will have to pay for it all.

We are going to get universal health care and alternative fuels. The American people want it and they are going to get it....and they don't care what multinational bastards, Arab shieks, or greedy corporate crooks they have to mow down to get them. The gloves are off.

The ghosts of Katrina, Abu Graibe, Foley, and Ground Zero hang over this nation. The Republicans turned their backs on the suffering of their own countrymen. It’s pathetic how little empathy they have of others.

They sold out our jobs, our military strength, and the environment for the greed of the few. They used the Patriot Act to destroy the Bill of Rights and legalize torture. They aren’t fit to serve in any capacity.

They don’t think or act like Americans. And they are no longer welcome in other parts of the world either. They are cretons without a country or a soul. No one will miss them when they are gone.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 07:10 PM

Bloggers have more sense than politicians.

Posted by GregL on December 26, 2006 at 03:52 PM

Bloggers should become the politicians.

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 07:14 PM

Posted by SandtH on December 26, 2006 at 7:10 PM
That was such a great post, so good, I wish I could express my feelings about "Bush's Folly" as well as you just did SandyH...
I was trying to rest, watching a little T.V....story came on local T.V. about Stephen Morris, a really good looking young man, handsome,warm smile,pictured with his family, Stephen was a Marine on his second tour of duty in Iraq and was killed on Christmas Eve...next shot was off his father...old...tired...sad..."I just wish I could see my son walking up the walk to come into our house," The next thing on T.V. was a shot of Mr. Bush getting off Air Force 1 here in Texas. Very expensive dark top coat holding "Barney". His dog gets better treatment than our troops. Mr. Bush is coming down to his "ranch" to meet with his "advisors" to "think" about the Iraq situation. It's alittle late for Stephen Morris and 3200 plus other Americans

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goodfoe on December 26, 2006 at 07:43 PM

I got a digital camera, a new mixer, cash, and time with my whole family. I'm glad I got the camera. I'm sure to appreciate the pix of what might very well be my parents last Christmas. (I just downloaded them all to my computer) They were very generous with us kids and our kids.

Bush gives earrings, gets biking shoes as gifts

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 07:56 PM

Biden Vows to Fight Any Iraq Troop Boost

Incoming Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden, a potential Democratic presidential candidate, said Tuesday he would oppose any effort by President Bush to increase U.S troops in Iraq as part of a new war strategy.

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 08:00 PM

goodfoe,

It's never too late to make things right. Rebuilding our military would be the greatest tribute we could make. But it won't mean a thing if we are still pouring our resources down a hole in Iraq. It's time to come home.

Stephen Morris didn't die in vain. He died so my sons didn't have to go to Iraq, and I will be eternally grateful for his sacrifice. He did his best to help the people of Iraq. It's a shame the Commander-in-Chief was not up to the same standards as the men who serve under him.

My heart goes out to his father and all the rest of his family.

I wonder what Barney thinks about the "surge"? He probably gets a vote at this meeting of the minds in Crawford. I'd trust his judgement more than Condi's.

The new Secretary of Defense is a complete sell out. He's already demonstated that he will compromise his own integrity by participating in a White House-staged photo op with the troops. I wish he cared more about the future health of the military and less about pleasing his new boss. Well, I suppose that can be my New Year's wish.

Why do all these President's "yes men" even bother to pretend they exercise any independent thought over the wishes of the neocons? Rumsfeld might as well have stayed in place. The more they change, the more they stay the same.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 08:08 PM

Posted by Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 07:56 PM

Essie,

They will always be in your heart. I'm glad you got the camera, too.

I hope you're a better photographer than I. I have lots of videos of my feet when I forgot to turn off the the danged thing. My husband likes to torture me with a viewing from time to time. But he knows I have other talents.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 08:17 PM

My husband likes to torture me with a viewing from time to time. But he knows I have other talents.

Posted by SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 08:17 PM

haha Thanks for the chuckle. I needed it. As I'm sure you and davidual need some laughter this holiday season too.

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 08:39 PM

Inside TV News: We Were Silenced by the Drums of War


September 11th made 2001 a defining year in our country's history. But 2002 may have been the strangest. It began with all eyes on Osama bin Laden and ended with Osama bin Forgotten - as the White House turned its attention to Iraq. Bush's January 2003 State of the Union speech mentioned Saddam Hussein 17 times, but bin Laden not once.

Everything about my nine-month stint at cable news channel MSNBC occurred in the context of the ever-intensifying war drums over Iraq. The drums grew louder as D-Day approached, until the din became so deafening that rational journalistic thinking could not occur. Three weeks before the invasion, MSNBC Suits terminated "Donahue," their most-watched program.

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Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 08:42 PM

greetings, good democrats

finished an excellent book on propaganda by chomsky a few days ago...we really are pacifists at heart, who don't particularly like to blow other humans up into shreds, stumps and other assorted body parts.

it takes an effort on the part of the whole machine, and we will come around...

there was no good reason to go to Iraq or Afghanistan

why did we go? see the latest reports that indicate a lack of relationship between the events of September 11th and Osama?

if we aren't brainwashed, why don't they report the events of the Congress to the American people on the nightly news?

why do we feel like we know O.J., Brittany, Paris and Donald?

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 08:57 PM

Chomsky is mentioned in Essie's link, and this is an excerpt of the book i mentioned @8:57.

some of you are too young to remember Nicaragua and the Reagan years and his war on terror, but Bush's handlers do.

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 09:05 PM

some of you are too young to remember Nicaragua and the Reagan years and his war on terror, but Bush's handlers do.

Posted by fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 09:05 PM

Nope fade, I remember very well. I've got "vintage" age, but youthful thought. Remember Reagan, Nicaragua and whole Contra mess along with that lying Oliver North.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 09:10 PM

Good Evening, ALL!!

As for Iran/Contra and the Chimp's "handlers"...

Meet Robert M. Gates, Iran-Contra Crook and Bush 41 CIA Chief

Our NEW (and "Improved" Sec of Def).

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DPD on December 26, 2006 at 09:15 PM

To continue memories of James Brown, hey the man was truly the Godfather of Soul.

I can remember dancing those teenage years along with the young adult twenties to his hits. He has influenced so many in the music industry. It is my prayer and hope that much of his music he obtained the publishing rights because this is where the true money lies and this man had many Top 10 hits.

James Brown started reaching his pinnacle to cross over into mainstream charts just as the Civil rights era was getting crunk good and he made us feel good and proud of ourselves. He made us feel it was alright to be black because we had "soul". With his music we could hold our heads high and proudly show our color and at that time our Afros. To dance and show other areas of our culture was a part of our "soul" and not something to be ridiculed.

He gave us an opening to show and express our culture while holding our heads high.

Godfather, take your rest. You deserve it.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 09:23 PM

The media seems to want to pick the democratic candidate for us since before the last election and now they are spinning their wants every hour.

Well I have looked at the field and know what I would like to see in the candidate we pick for the presidential election in 08.

A person with some common sense!

A person who will represent the majority of average Americans!

A person who will work hard for we the people and not special interest and definately not for big business.

A person who posseses the knowledge of how most of us live in our day to day lives.

A person who respects our planet and wants to preserve it for the generations that follow us.

A person who is open to inovation and who wants the working class joe like me to have a opportunity to get ahead in what ever field I chose. Who will promote the American ingenuity to build our own products, manufacture our own products and do so in a manner that is not distructive to our fellow citizens.

I want someone that considers the health of our people is more important than the financial sheet of some mega corporation. That we as a country are more important than the horrific trade pacts that we have signed giving away our benefits and not helping the other countries people only the rich and wealthy. Taking care of our elderly and poor and cooperating with other countries instead of insulting them at every move.

I want someone who will put back into place tariffs on imports to our country and eliminate off shore corporations raping out country and make them pay their fair share of taxes or get out of our country with their products. Will back alternative fuel and make a mandate out of conservation of our globe a priority.

Of all the people I see that are being touted on the boob tube etc... John Edwards stands out as the most qualified for the ideals I want. He has a charisma that appeals to all in its simplicity yet he is definately a smart savvy guy too. His family life seems a good example and he comes across as a straight shooter.

I like Obama but think he is too new and too young to the world of politics at this point, I like Hillary but she will be torn to shreds by the media and the far right will have a field day with her unfortunately as she would be good but she is just too hated by the right wing nuts to be able to function. There may be others come along but for my books it looks like Edwards has the persona at this point that would heal the countries wounds that the bushnit administation has wreaked on our country.

So I will work for John Edwards as my choice.

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madfuq on December 26, 2006 at 09:30 PM

I STILL say that Kerry was THE BEST candidate from ANY party since FDR.

BAR NONE!

If he doesn't run, or look "kewl" enough to be "ya know, Presidential-like-ish" , he'd be the BEST Secratary of State EVER!

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DPD on December 26, 2006 at 09:36 PM

Back to Reagan

The man ushered in an era that totally focused and worked against people of color in particular black folk. And all of this done in the name of making the country and economy better.

That "trickle down" economics crap was one of the biggest hoaxes of all time. Imagine anyone in their right mind advocating giving the wealthy tax breaks and in return they will invest the savings they get back into the economy which in turn will stimulate growth and provide jobs and whatever else to those earning less. It is amazing how Presidential administrations think folks have "stupid" written across their foreheads. What did the wealthy do? Hell, they kept their money in their pockets and the economy floundered.

With the Reagan administration, the southern DEMS that gone REP after Johnson backed Civil Rights were in heaven. They begin the process of tearing down every piece of legislation or laws that was designed to help African-Americans overcome the decades of racism, bigotry and discrimination in the public arena that is continuing today. Example: it was at this time that the beginning of the term "reverse discrimination" surfaced in the case of Bakke vs. University of California. Bakke, a white man said that he was discriminated against because the med school had a certain amount class slots for minorities and he didn't get in because of this (Bakke tried 3 times). With this case a biracial man by the name of Ward Connerly who was a University Regent came into prominence. This man was to go on to eventually get the State of California to accept Propsition 209 which has devastated the state as a whole in hiring and educational areas. Today this man continues to wreck havoc with lies and distortions on Affirmative Action that not only helps minorities, but women as well.

Reagan era enabled the segregationists to have walking room to continue their devastation. Both Bush adminsitrations let them entirely off their leashes to run wild like a pack of rabid dogs.

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J on December 26, 2006 at 09:47 PM

why do we feel like we know O.J., Brittany, Paris and Donald?

Posted by fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 08:57 PM

fade,

I could have shown they sent me Xmas cards this year. Are you sure I'm not personal friends with these people? Actually, they are more like irritating relatives.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 09:55 PM

J, said well! and wasn't he the one who unleashed the "welfare queen" image with a black woman and cadillac...when in reality, the majority of welfare recipients were white?

but that hateful stereotype sold. it makes me furious, still!! there are few human beings that i despise more than bush...ronnie raygun is one...he ridiculed democrats...i was reading through his speeches tonight.

Sandy, you should hear some of the people at work talk like they know them...it's downright scary...the one lady talks about how Jenifer had that spark in her eyes, and that Angelina just don't have it...Brad made a big mistake...

i cannot relate...

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 10:05 PM

Posted by Esmeralda on December 26, 2006 at 08:42 PM

Essie,

Thanks for the link. OMG. How dumb I was to believe any of it.

I had always thought those military "experts" sounded more like cheerleaders. It's nice to have your suspicions confirmed.

The Karen Hughes propoganda operation was so slick only Donohue, Dennis K, and Dean guessed what they were really up to? (And to think the Republicans had enough nerve to call Bill Clinton a Slick Willy.) I've always believed their lies that Donohue's show had low ratings...till tonight. I bought into that lie hook, line, and sinker.

We were all suckered into this sham war. I didn't think it made sense, but they got me to shut up about it. I did attend a candlelight vigil. At least I was worrying about those that were going to die.

Somebody needs to be tar and feathered...not just impeached. Maybe there is an extra noose available next to Saddam's just waiting for the traitors who implemented this affront on the American public.

None of them deserve a governmental pension much less medical coverage.

Boy, I'm pissed....all over again. They put Donohue out to dry, framed Dan Rather, and Swiftboated Kerry. There is a place in Purgatory where I'm going to do time with this bunch of "publicity" experts. They have no idea how appealing hell will look like when I get done with them. How dare they damn my profession.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 10:19 PM

Posted by J on December 26, 2006 at 09:23 PM

J,

We always had black lead singers in our all white suburban bands at high school dances. It was a testament and acknowledgment to a culture we were only beginning to get a glimpse of because of greats like Chuck Berry and James Brown.

May he rest in peace or maybe he's still singing.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 10:25 PM

"welfare queen" image with a black woman and cadillac...

Now, Be SPECIFIC!!

It was a "Welfare Queen driving a Cadillac to the Liquor store to buy some cheap Vodka with food stamps..."

When Ronnie was asked if he KNEW that to be true he said "one of my aids said it happens".

When asked "Why, if one of your aids saw a FEDERAL CRIME didn't he report it?"

Ronny said "(paraphrased, here)...Youze a Wassist!!!"

Really. Ronny comes up with this unsubstantiated B.S., and when HE is called on it the questioner is suddenly "playing the RACE card".

The Pugs are mind-boggling.

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DPD on December 26, 2006 at 10:25 PM

Angelina just don't have it..

Oh, I think she does and so do the tabloids.

Was journalism this yellow back in the 1920's? They say it was, but I can't imagine it being this sorry.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 10:28 PM

We were all suckered into this sham war.

ahem...excuse me, but my mother and i were screaming when the bombs hit Afghanistan...literally.

that's when all those flags were planted all over the yards...the grass, the windows, the garage doors were painted with them.

i hate this

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 10:30 PM

they can't find osama but:

Court documents are ambiguous and don't reveal how the FBI discovered his search terms. That could have happened in one of three ways: an analysis of his browser's history and cache; an Alpha employee monitoring the company's wireless connection; or a subpoena to Google from the police for search terms tied to his Internet address or cookie.

Google has confirmed that it can provide search terms if given an Internet address or Web cookie, but has steadfastly refused to say how often such requests arrive. (Microsoft, on the other hand, told us that it has never received such queries for MSN Search, and AOL says it could not provide the information if asked.)

This isn't the first time that Google search terms popped up in a criminal case: Last year, prosecutors in a North Carolina murder case introduced as evidence phrases culled from a seized hard drive. The defendant was found guilty in part because he searched for the words "neck," "snap," "break" and "hold" before his wife was killed.

Google's fight with the Justice Department over a subpoena highlighted how sensitive search terms can be, and AOL's disclosure in August reinforced this point. (Advice to "Police Blotter" readers: Consider configuring your browser to refuse cookies from search engines.)

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 10:33 PM

So I will work for John Edwards as my choice.

Posted by madfuq on December 26, 2006 at 09:30 PM

And so will I

Damn, I feel the energy building...How would James say it?..."I feel good"!!!

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salutetheDems on December 26, 2006 at 10:34 PM

The man ushered in an era that totally focused and worked against people of color in particular black folk. And all of this done in the name of making the country and economy better.

They are trying to do the same things to Hispanics now with their illegal alien sterotypes and 700 mile fences. The Republicans would have nothing without their racism and scapgoats.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 10:34 PM

Posted by fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 10:30 PM

fade,

They may not have fooled you and your mother, but they scared the rest of us into accepting what we all knew didn't sound right. It's so frustrating to realize how easy it is for any government to manipulate its people.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 10:38 PM

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has signed orders that will send the 82nd Airborne Division's 2nd Brigade to Kuwait shortly after the new year, senior defense officials said Tuesday.

The decision to send the unit was first reported earlier this month. The soldiers, who are based at Fort Bragg, N.C., are expected to be deployed into Iraq early next year, and the move could be part of a short-term surge of troops to the battlefront to quell the ongoing violence.

The 82nd Airborne unit -- which would include as many as 3,300 soldiers -- will replace the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which had served as the reserve force based in Kuwait but has been deployed into Iraq.

Army officials said Tuesday that they were not aware a final decision had been made on sending the unit to Kuwait. But two senior defense officials, who requested anonymity because the announcement had not yet been made public, said Gates had signed the order Tuesday -- the first of his week-old tenure as Pentagon chief.

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 10:40 PM

Posted by fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 10:40 PM

So nobody is "rethinking" down at the ranch this week at all? They are sitting around smoking crack and congratulating themselves for fooling the media into doing their heavy work again? Remarkable.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 10:44 PM

I can't wait to see how they explain the continued violence once "the surge" gets underway. I guess we just can't take it personally; but instead, we should keep ourselves focused on winning in 2008. It all comes into play at the grassroots. We will build on what we started.

I'm off to bed. Good night, everyone.

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SandyH on December 26, 2006 at 10:52 PM

Wal-Mart said it was expecting sales to be flat to up 1% in December, after posting a 0.1% decline in November sales, its first drop in 10 years. The downturn came despite some of Wal-Mart's deepest discounts in toys, home appliances, and electronics, and it countered retailers' preseason optimism for a thriving shopping season (see BusinessWeek.com, 11/2/06, "Forecast: A Very Happy Consumer Holiday").

Many economists see Wal-Mart's sluggishness as a sign that the low-income spectrum of the economy is hurting because recent jobs and income growth have favored the middle- and upper-income segments of the population. A report released this month by the National Low Income Housing Coalition found that the increase in the cost of modest rental housing in recent years has far outpaced that of the wages of minimum-wage earners. "Wal-Mart's core shopper is clearly under strain right now and will remain vulnerable as we go into the coming year," says Frank Badillo, vice-president and senior economist with Retail Forward, a retail strategy consulting firm based in Columbus, Ohio.

(duh)

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 11:18 PM

oh geez, you have to see this to believe it...the NRA "graphic novel"

okay, i'm done.


'nite all...

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fade2bluz on December 26, 2006 at 11:24 PM

"Let me go home"

'nuff said....

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lavndrblue on December 27, 2006 at 12:04 AM

Good Evening,

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:15 AM

Night Fade,

I'll bbl.......

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:17 AM

We, the mob.

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Joseph on December 27, 2006 at 12:19 AM

GERRY FORD JUST DIED

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:20 AM

LATE NIXON SUCCESSOR FMR.PRESIDENT GERALD FORD DEAD AT AGE 93!

The Associated press reported that Gerald R. Ford, who picked up the pieces of
Richard Nixon's scandal-shattered White House as the 38th and only unelected president in America's history, has died, his wife said. He was 93.

Okay. So,ummm. I guess, I could say that officially, he was my first President? I was born in 1974, the week after Nixon resigned so, yeah, I guess that's the only nice thing I can come up with.


Any Baby Boomers out there care to share something?

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:22 AM

Hi DPD,

I see you had your coffee too.


;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:24 AM

So, now we will NEVER know the REAL explaination of just WHY GERRY FORD HIMSELF, PERSONALLY moved the so called bullet hole in JFK's shirt in order to "prove" the "magic bullet" theory of Kennedy's assisination.

He was the LAST of the Warren Commission.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:24 AM

He was the LAST of the Warren Commission.

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:24 AM

Oh NO!

Okay, now I'm a little sad.

:(


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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:28 AM

Here's ONE of MANY

Or you could just Google Ford Moved Bullet Hole, and do the old research thing at your leisure.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:31 AM

There goes the old bar bet..."Who was the only King to ever become President of the USA?"

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:36 AM

Thank you.

G. Ford

"I'm not a crook either"

;p

Okay, Dudes body isn't even in the ground yet. Let's stop for a minuet.

I'll be back in a minuet.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:36 AM

There goes the old bar bet..."Who was the only King to ever become President of the USA?"

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:36 AM

Who?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:41 AM

You'll be back in a MINUET?!

Are you dancing a French dance, per chance?
/

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:41 AM

Aw, Geez... Chimpy HAS to make a "Statement" at 7 AAAAAAA MMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

There is a quick vitamin B drip going in order to sober the crackhead up enough, and then it's time for the Jack Daniels breakfast.

Poor Chimpy, EVERY time he runs away to his booze stash in Texas something "bad" happens and he can't stay perpetually inebriated.

Damn Free World!!

Chimpy MAD!

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:48 AM

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:41 AM

Gerald Ford was originally named "Rudoplh King", and his adpotive parents changed his name to Gerald Rudolph Ford.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:55 AM

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:48 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why at 7 am? I guess he knows that's when the Baby Boomers will be awake bacause the rest of us don't really give a hoot.

;p

People I don't/Won't Mourn......(Top Ten)

1. Strom Thurman
2. Richard Nixon
3. Dick Cheney
4. George Bush Jr.
5. Pat Buchannanananananan
6. Byrd, Yeah that's right. I said it.
7. George Allen
8. Bill Frist
9. Trent Lott
10.Bill O' Reilly

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 12:57 AM

ONLY 10?????

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:59 AM

Now MSNBC is saying that his name was originaaally "Leslie Rudolph King".

My bad.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 01:02 AM

DPD,

Okay. Now I understand the King reference.

You know what? Call me crazy but I have been reading comments on the Blogs about this news and it's literally, facinating. The Baby Boomers are literally having the conversation they had back when Nixon was President and they are fussing about stuff that I did'nt even know because I was just a new born. This is absolutly awesome from a historical perspective. There are those who love him, those who hate him, those who hate him but love his wife.It's amazing to watch.

I gotta go read some more. I feel like I'm watching an episoed of Cold Case.

BBL..........

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 01:04 AM

What a PUFF piece for this guy!

They aren't even talking about Ford's insistence that "Eastern Europe isn't under Communist control".

HUH?

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 01:06 AM

FOS, Ford is THE ONE who let Rummy and Cheney take over the Pug Party beltway crowd!!

FORD allowed EVERY FRIGGING THING that Eisenhower warned about, times 10.

We are STILL getting Americans killed because FORD didn't reign in those 2 lunatics.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 01:10 AM

ONLY 10?????

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 12:59 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

(((TOP)) 10. There's more of course, but those are the ones who have reached a point of no return for me no matter what they do from here on out. That's just my own personal opinion though.

;p

Dude. I swear. I'm reading tons of comments like yours on Huff Po. It's like I'm getting a sense of the attitudes and feelings that people from that era felt. This kind of stuff, you don't get from the History books. I'm getting real live first hand feelings and opinions from the people who were there. It's facinating.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 01:19 AM

And, AS ALWAYS, George HW BUSH was hanging out in the wings holding peoples coats and opening doors for his "BETTERS"...

As Nixon said "George Bush will never be President...He's too weak", and THAT was about the old man!!!

These cretins have been around FOREVER and it's time to send them ALL to one of THEIR torture prisons.

And DO NOT think that the rush to "off" Saddam is anything other than covering one's butt as far as Cheney and Rummy goes. If Saddam starts spilling the beans, well......

They gotta get a whole lotta rope!

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 01:21 AM

So far, on the Blogs , there's only one kid (A 20 year old Gen X) who want's us all to forgive and forget what Ford did.


Is'nt that cute? He don't know what happened.


;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 02:00 AM

So, 2 years ago he / she voted for WHO???

And...WHEN WILL HE (or she) be RUNNING to the nearest recruitment Office?

Today, or tomorrow? Ask him or her.

My guess is NEVER.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:12 AM

My guess is NEVER.

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:12 AM

Now now. He's just a baby. Be nice. At least he was being honest. I think it's cute that they talk.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 02:25 AM

Does anybody know that (heh, heh, heh, ) Barbra Streisand song that goes something like Memories...Like the Gas You Gave To Meeeeeeeee, misty deadly gassy Memories... Of the Death of Kurds....Scattered Bodies, in the Corners of Iraq, Poisoned water anthrax MEMORIES.. Of the way We Were.....?

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:26 AM

Tell that PUNK to SIGN UP OR SHUT UP!!

Cute is for Barney, and even HE has to be carried around because even Barney is smart enough NOT to follow the Chimp ANYWHERE.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:29 AM

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:29 AM
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In his defense DPD, he doesn't know about Kent State 1970. He doesn't know what happened to people his same age when they protested the Vietnam War. He doesn't know that students his age were shot dead on their campus.

He does'nt understand what the United States Government is capeable of doing if given the opportunity.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 02:42 AM

So, HERE'S a thing from the COMMENTS section on KOS...

I don't have much luck with that "block quote" crapola, I used it once or twice but figured it would be MUCH easier to do my own HTML, so without further ado... FROM THE COMMENTS @ KOS...

~~~~~~~~~~

<> "Decent" Ford tried to impeach Justice Douglas (11+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
hhex65, vcmvo2, Elise, asskicking annie, LNK, EdlinUser, soyinkafan, Major Danby, Easterling, atrexler, Hedwig

While he was in Congress, Gerald Ford was involved in repeated -- some might say obsessive -- attempts to impeach liberal Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas.

Ford famously said that the House could impeach whomever they wanted to impeach, whether the person in question broke any laws or not:

http://www.senate.gov/...

In an unsuccessful attempt to impeach Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas in 1960, Representative Gerald Ford declared: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

That was in 1960.

In 1970, Ford was still at it, with yet another attempt to impeach Justice Douglas.

Even the reliably right-wing Time magazine slammed Ford for this ridiculous effort, and called it a nake attempt at political retaliation for the Senate rejection of two Nixon SCOTUS nominees:

http://www.time.com/...

With the air of Carry Nation axing a saloon, House Republican Leader Gerald Ford last week launched a crusade to expel Justice William O. Douglas from the Supreme Court. Most observers assume that Ford wants to impeach Douglas as a reprisal for Richard Nixon's two Senate defeats in the Haynsworth and Carswell cases. Legal scholars doubt that Douglas' unconventional views and behavior come remotely close to grounds for impeachment.

So consider that when deciding whether you think Ford was a decent guy, or just a decent guy for a GOP political hack.

So this is how liberty dies -- with thunderous applause.

by MJB on Tue Dec 26, 2006 at 09:25:18 PM PST

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:43 AM

OOPS! Link with LINKS!

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:45 AM

Thanks DPD.

I'm reading now.


bbl

'p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 02:49 AM

It's odd that you would mention Kent State, where 4 white kids were gunned down, and not Jackson State (Mississippi) where the SAME Damn Thing happened!

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:52 AM

Man -O- Mannnnnnnnn!!!!

They got Tweety on the phone to talk about Ford, but OLBERMANN is IN THE STUDIO LIVE doing HIS JOB!!!!!

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 03:01 AM

The Congressional Democrats would do well to heed the lessons of the past and defund the War in Iraq unless they want a repeat of History.

Check this out......

snip:

Now the Guard took on a face. To the students the Guardsmen became Governor Rhodes, became President Nixon, became President Johnson, became the establishment, became the war in Vietnam, became the Cambodian incursion, became the opponents of free speech and open housing and civil rights, became all the frustrations and forces the students deemed as wrong in America over the past eight years.
They would now take it all on, but how? There were no brick walks to tear apart and turn into weapons. The hard clay of the oval could not be easily clumped into something fit to throw in anger. But there were words to toss and these came blasting out:
"Pigs off campus!"
"Off the pigs!"
"F--king pigs go home!"


Kent State 1970

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 03:07 AM

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 03:01 AM
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Okay. I'm like totally reading all this right now. I did'nt see the one about Mississippi till after my post.


Let me finish reading so I can grasp it all.

Please. Thank you. Sheeeze.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 03:10 AM

Forgive Ford? Ford never did anything to forgive. Ford was an ineffective President in a brief period of ineffective Presidents culminating with Carter.

Posted by BlueMoon on December 27, 2006 at 03:10 AM

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Ahem, Carter was "ineffective"???

Is that a joke?

HIS Peace Accords are STILL in place, despite EVERY FRIGGING EFFORT that the Chimp and his puppet Master Cheney can come up with. The ONLY reason that he didn't get a Nobel Peace Prize that year is because HE withdrew HIS OWN NAME and let the 2 warring leaders share the glory. Carter eventually won one later. The alcoholic coke snorter will have to beg Dadddy to BUY one for him, and at that, it would be the Nobel Prize for "WORST PIECE OF CRAP TO EVER LIVE THROUGH THE BIRTHING PROCESS" (And considering what demon seed his mother has spawned, that's saying a LOT)!

Just WHAT is your point or purpose? Do you want to spew Pubie "talking points" or do you want to back up your BS claims once in a while?

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 03:34 AM

Our Soldiers today could be saying the exact same thing about Iraq as this man said about Vietnam.

Another snip from above link about Kent State 1970. The camera man, a Vietnam Vet, that was there that day.

I had been a part of the manipulation of news to make it seem that there was a new, revitalized, South Vietnamese army doing the bulk of the fighting. That was, I knew, a myth.

I wanted to see us out of Vietnam. I wanted the soldiers back home. But part of me opposed the students. I had seen first hand what happened when draft deferments were passed out like candy to anyone with money, a kindly doctor, a shrewd lawyer, a place in college or grad school. As a direct result our army in the field was made up of poor blacks and whites

Those who do not learn from History are destined to repeat it


Looks like we learned absolutly NOTHING!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 04:07 AM

Oh, I didn't relize that some Pubie "Talking Point" Spewing hacktacular poster can diagnose me over the intertubes, ala "Dr." Frist.

Forgive me for calling BS when I see it.

I'm not "consumed" with, by,or of, HATE.

(Common term for "concern trolls", BTW).

However, if you met an untimely demise, I wouldn't give a rat's ass, because I don't know you, and if I did, it would be a VERY short acquaintance, because, as I said, the afore mentioned BS meter is ALWAYS on, and you have pinned the needle several times.

Thanks for the diagnosis. In the next life maybe you can be a bartender at the LOOKOUT hotel, and give enough "advice" that keeps people coming back forever..and forever...and forever....

I don't deal with self smug know it alls who spew Pug BS and consider it "deep thought".

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 04:09 AM

And, BTW I don't "hate" Ford. YOU made that up.

I HATE what HE did to this Country.

That's his legacy; Ray-Gun, Cheney, Rummy BOOOOOOOOOOOSH ! & (most importantly)

LITTLE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH THE LESSER. (Biggest asshole to EVER walk the face of this Earth!)

O.K., Pubie...PROVE that Hitler is worse than Little Georgie.

C'Mon, compare and contrast.....

Clock starts ...NOW!

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 04:17 AM

You need to go back to your Bund and report that YOU HAVE FAILED (as usual).

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 04:36 AM

Now I can't speak for FOS, but I can do so for J and it's this: Ms. Washington didn't HAVE to announce her conservative/liberal stance. She did that with one her study choice and two her conclusion.

Oh yeah, this isn't a mathematical or conclusion based on precision, but I can "vibe" those conservatives out in a heart beat.

Posted by J on December 26, 2006 at 05:03 PM

I'm taking a quick break to address some BS that my eyes happened to catch a glimsp of. First of all to J.

Thank you for posting this to GregL in defense of my rebuttal to that BS story. The dude apparently doesn't know jack smack about me which is why his rebuttal and generalization of me made him look retarded. If he has been around for two years like he claimed in his post, he would not have come at me with those generalizations.Second , the fact that he defended this opinion based on a 20 YEAR OLD STUDY like it's hot off the press, tells me a lot about him. I think he deliberatly ignored that tiny little fact about the mathimatical information being two damn decades old and that I pointed out this little fact and countered it with UP-TO-DATE facts.Also, the fact that he stated he was unable to find anything about Ms Ebonya that's says "Conservative" suggests to me that he has never heard of GOOGLE or he never did the research he claimed he did. Lastly, the fact that he says Washington Post is NOT a Right Wing publication and that it's LIBERAL, tells me alot about his true political leanings.

I'm done.

I will go back to my reading up on Kent State.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 04:39 AM

Ummmm...The clock is STILL ticking.

Prove that Hitler is worse than George W. Bush; or that Bush isn't as "bad" as Hitler.

Tick......

Tock......

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 04:42 AM

What the hell is a "Rank & File Democrat"?

I know you're not talking about a member of Congress.

No Congressional Democrat is above their Constituents. Their Constituents are above them so, I don't know you mean by "Rank & file Democrat"

Ha Ha Ha.

Can you say "Fake"?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 04:46 AM

Ooooooh, DPD.

You're in trouble now. That was a "Rank & File" Democrat . He said so and I believe him .Oooooohhhhhhhh, He has work to do because the Sun is coming up.Ooooooooh, you disrepected a "Rank & file" Democrat.

ROMFFLMMFAO!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 04:49 AM

YO! FOS, GregL, didn't cite that 20 year old crapola, it was the Junior Nazi who is posting RIGHT NOW!! (BlowMoon).

Keep kewl, my baby!

(And, BTW, the use of the term "retarded" is VERY hurtful to some on this blog, and to the general population at large, and you have been asked several times to not use that word as a pejorative. Please respect their wishes, OK? People can't decide how they are made, and if you believe in SOME Deity, you will know that they are better people than ANY Republican could EVER be.)

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 04:53 AM

Ha Ha Ha !

Look DPD!

We've got another little poser. Who just qouted some crappy talking point he stole from Wikipedia. Awww, isn't he cute? He outta change his name to RED SUN. I think it's most appropiate.

Ha Ha Ha!

Bite Me! rookie troll.Still wet behind the ears.

You know what's really not good for a person?

To be a decietful liar. Yeah. The constant battle between a liar and his conscience is'nt good for the brain or the heart. Seek some help with your disorders.I believe they are called "Compulsive Lying" and " Narcissistic Personality Disorder "

There's hope for you yet. (BLUE)


;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 05:01 AM

"RANK & FILE" was the name of my band when I was a Punk Rocker.

Don't steal it. We are known in several Cities.

TICK....

TOCK....

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 05:01 AM

Oh, Ya...

Don't use "Rude Awakening" west of the Mississippi. I think we still owe a bar tab somewhere.

(I just realised that today is the first time I typed Mississippi, in YEARS, and I did it TWICE in 24-ish hours!. YAY, ME!!)

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 05:09 AM

A rank and file Democrat is an average Democrat who is not a left winger. 70% of Democrats are rank and file. No Democratic candidate can win without the rank and file.

Posted by BlueMoon on December 27, 2006 at 04:56 AM

OMG! You make up your own definitions too? Wow. you even make up your own percentages. Aren't you amazing? like I said before. There's treatment available for you.

Anyways, back to the topic you tried to disrupt which was the whole purpose of you posting tonight ,


GERALD FORD, THE SUCESSOR AND ENABLER TO THE CROOK-IN-CHIEF, WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO GIVE INTERVIEWS AND SPEW RIGHT-WING TALKING POINTS AS HE HAS LEFT THE PLANET TO JOIN STROM THURMAN AND RICHARD NIXON WHICH EVER PLACE THEY ENDED UP.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 05:10 AM

FMR. PRESIDENT GERALD FORD.

Rest in ...........


.....something.


;p

By the way, DPD. Sure I forgot about the "retarded" thing. I meant to say,

TARD.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 05:15 AM

LAST SNIP FROM THE MASSACRE AT "KENT STATE" UNIVERSITY.

I belonged to all the sides in the argument and to none of them. As soon as I saw one way clear, another thought made it cloudy. I could not bring order to my mind or find peace in the resolution of the spiritual conflicts. Above it all was the rotting of my own soul. I had gone to war and knew a soldier's heart.
I stood there, lost in my thoughts, no longer able to take photographs, turned every which way by the civil war going on in my own head. What did I believe? The questions, with and without answers, came at me faster and faster, the confusion rising in me like the choking clouds of tear gas on the now trampled electric green grass of the oval.
My chest sagged and my throat began to burn. Though I wanted to, I could not even cry. I stood, unnoticed by the mob or the Guard, amidst noise, smoke, screamed obscenities, bayonets, hidden bullets, tear gas, olive drab and tie-dyed warriors, the chaos that engulfed the campus I loved so much, the walk I remembered so vividly and fondly, my head spinning and unable to reach a decision. I stood lost in my private frustration, alone, unable to join and stand with either group, yet longing to be accepted.
The Orton Hall chimes announced noon. My last roll of film was shot, my throat and heart were aching. Exhausted by the inner turmoil, I slumped back toward Iuka and the long walk home. The tears I had been able to contain on the oval now burst through. Hot, wet and salty, they streamed down my cheeks, slid into the corners of my mouth, dropped to the front of my shirt.
What was going to happen? When was some idiot going to throw a rock, when was some pissed off tin soldier going to pull a trigger, when was this whole thing going to blow up? Would it be here, or some other campus?
That night I heard the answer in the evening news from Kent State, 100 miles north east of Ohio State University, "Four dead in Ohio."


BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW! STOP FUNDING THIS WAR!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 05:19 AM

Now, it's onto my research of the many other atrocites that were committed by our own Government against the Baby Boomers when they were just little innocent students.On to Mississippi!


BBL..............

..............or sooner.


;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 05:23 AM

Tard is the SAME thing. It's NO different than "Nig".

(And, for your own personal edification, the Black Labrador puppy who was the mascot on the the site while they were building the Boulder Dam (Now called "Hoover Dam") was called "Nig", and she was run over by a truck on one of the last days of construction, and is permanantly entombed in the Dam and her grave-site is marked with a guy's hand scrawled memorial to her which says "NIG", and the date on which she died.

RIP, "NIG". You saved a LOT of lives

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 05:27 AM

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 05:27 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I disagree, but I have to say. That story about NIG the dog is halarious. (Not about him dying and all) but OMG!

Fine, I will indulge in your sensitivity because I like you and also because the troll made a snide remark about it. So, no more Tards or whatever. I'll go back to;

IDIOT

STUPID

DUMBAZZ

There's so many other words out there for me to describe Republicans.

(sign)


;p


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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 05:43 AM

And on THAT note, Here's Political Correctness run amok

This is INSANE! THIS is like taking Mark Twain out of the schools!

It's HISTORY! What's next? White kids can't read "Uncle Tom's Cabin" because it's too "inflamatory?

What about "To Kill A Mockingbird"?

How about "A Raisin In The Sun", or "Black Boy", or "Black Like Me", or ANY number of GREAT books that I read in High School?

I grew up in one of the (MLK called it THE) most racist towns in America (Cicero, IL), and this was REQUIRED reading before we got out of grade school!

I'm PISSED!! I'll just BET that the White Fundies are behind this.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 05:49 AM

Does anyone know why when I click on comments on Atrios I get "Blogger Not Found" message? It only happens on my home computer, not at work. thx

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Melissa on December 27, 2006 at 05:56 AM

"To Kill A Mockingbird" is my all time favorite movie ever. I watched it in American Lit Class and I love that movie. They better not touch that movie!


"Uncle Tom's Cabin" should be requiered reading for all Conservative Families. After all, they need to know which Blacks they can vote for. (LOL)


I don't know about the rest of those.


"Black Like Me" is a poem. There's nothing wrong with it.


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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 05:59 AM

Posted by Melissa on December 27, 2006 at 05:56 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hang on. I'll check.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 06:00 AM

Melissa,

I don't see anyone with that username. What are you talking about?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 06:10 AM

Melissa, Atrios is (I think, therefore I am) switching to a new Blogger Server, and he was down completely for a few hours 2 or 3 days ago, and this may have something to do with the switchover of the archives. KOS and C & L and others (FDL, POORMAN,Sadly No!, and others), etc.)have been running links to his temp server. Keep trying. Duncan is too good to go!

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 06:16 AM

I'm confused. Are you talking about this?

I clicked on it and it's fine.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 06:23 AM

Good morning FOS and anyone else out there

Well we have lost a former President - Gerald Ford.

Yes I remember him too. He was what is termed as a moderate by today's terms. Man came into office at a time when the country was in a upheaval from Richard Nixon and Watergate. By pardoning Nixon he did close the door on Watergate. At the time many people were upset and angry, but in the long run it worked for the best so that the nation could begin to move forward again because everything had ground to a halt as we all sat glued to our TVs watching each day develop into a new revelation.

Gerald Ford - served his country with honor and distinction.

Something the Bushes have not a clue to what these characterizations are.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 06:37 AM
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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 06:38 AM

Oh yeah FOS, that GregL posted yesterday something about your post on that Ebonya Washington and your labeling her political stance when there was nothing said about it.

Had to inform him that her study was flawed for one and two we both knew what she was without it being said outright. :)

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J on December 27, 2006 at 06:42 AM

Thanks, DPD and FOS. This has been happening for a while. I get this when I click on comments:

Push-Button Publishing

Not Found

The requested URL was not found on this server. Please visit the Blogger homepage or the Blogger Knowledge Base for further assistance.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Home | About | Knowledge | Help | Developers | Gear | Privacy | Copyright © 1999 - 2005 Google

Anyway, it just happens on my home computer and not at work so I'm guessing it's some setting or something. I have one of the first computers ever made....

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Melissa on December 27, 2006 at 06:43 AM

Fmr. President (according to paper) Gerald Ford's most intellegent comment was this:

"There is no Soviet Domination of Eastern Europe" (duuuooooyyyy!)

That should tell you everything you need to know about the man.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 06:43 AM

I don't know why that link did not post correctly. It is the front cover of Esquire Mag...It shows an Iraqi vet, "I used to have 9 tatoos, now I only have 6 1/2" holding his purple heart....I hope Bush sees the cover of this mag...sorry for the poor link...I messed it up..

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 06:44 AM

Hi J,

So he was Moderate?

WOW!

Then that means todays Republican Party must be deciples of Jim Jones or Warren Jeffs or something.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 06:48 AM

Here, goodfoe.


The Link you Posted.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 06:50 AM

And what's this about banning Uncle Tom's Cabin because it's too inflammatory for white kids??

Now the truth is inflammatory? I guess so when folks don't want it heard. Black folk better start doing what the Jewish have doing for decades and that is start keeping our own history and recording oral versions. The anti-Sematics having been saying for years that the Holocaust never occurred. I swear before it's all over the segregationists/conservatives will be saying that slavery never occurred and that we just came over to the New World looking on our own volition looking for "freedom".

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J on December 27, 2006 at 06:50 AM

FOS

Gerald Ford came from an era of REP that were moderate, but more importantly could work in a bipartisan fashion. Not that stupid crap that these conservatives like Frist and some others in Congress subscribe to.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 06:52 AM

Sorry, goodfoe, but Ford gave Nixon a PARDON for "crimes he May have committed, or may commit". He basically exonerated that scumbag for ANY crime for LIFE!

Healing the Country? Me no think so. Ford just put IN STONE the FACT that Pugs can do as they please, and the LAW be DAMNED!

After Nixon got off scott-free, Bob Barr and Henry Hyde decided to go after Clinton in order to hound him out of Office.

(snip)

The veteran republican is also admitting for the first time that the impeachment of Clinton may have been in part political revenge against the democrats for the impeachment proceedings against GOP President Richard Nixon 25 years earlier. *

"Was this pay back?" asked Andy Shaw.

"I can't say it wasn't. But I also thought that the Republican Party should stand for something, and if we walked away from this, no matter how difficult, we could be accused of shirking our duty," said Hyde.

For "some" reason, the WLS-TV (ABC7CHICAGO.COM) website no longer has that video clip available.

Fortunately, intrepid bloggers kept THE TRANSCRIPT.

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 07:00 AM

J,

Ford is in the same bunch as Rumsey, Cheney, Big Bush and the Neo-Cons. He was the enabler that caused the mess we are in right now.

As far as Uncle Toms Cabin, DPD was making a joke about how stupid we've gotten with Political Correctness and how far we can take it if we are'nt careful.

Like I posted before. White Conservative Pepublicans (as if there are any other type) need to read it so they know which Blacks they are allowed to vote for.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 07:01 AM

Yhanks FOS...I'll try it again...it is worth seeing if I can get it to workhttp://tinyurl.com/yasdgx

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 07:03 AM

DPD,

Nice work posting that link. Very interesting and telling of how the Republicans really think.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 07:04 AM

FOS...got it that time...go take a look...Please! and then your comment...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 07:07 AM

FOS

Will discuss the REP of the Ford time frame and those now at the hangout and in detail. Believe me there is a HUGE difference.

I'll tell you something I sensed when Frist and his pack wee running all over that Senate like a pack of wolves - there were many REPs that wanted to go down a more reasonable stream so to speak, but were just plain afraid because of the vicious ultra conservative special interest groups out there that would launch funding to get one out of office if they didn't tow the insane conservative line.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 07:07 AM

The REPs have the Christian Right and the backwoods militia that cleaned up and came into the mainstream to infiltrate and take over their party. Consequently you have the vicious, racist extremism carried in the name of religion.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 07:11 AM

good morning. this is a ridiculously long thread. what is up with that?

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gregg on December 27, 2006 at 07:14 AM

Morning, Dems!

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Cyn_NY on December 27, 2006 at 07:15 AM

Oh for crying out loud!

Gerry is getting one of those big Ol' Pug send-offs!

6 Effing days! For WHAT, Exactly?

It's ANOTHER RONNIE-FEST all over again!

"ALL HAIL THE CADAVER THAT WAS ONCE A PUG!!!"

Plant his ass in the nearest golf course and be done with it.

BBL

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DPD on December 27, 2006 at 07:15 AM

Posted by goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 07:03 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I didn't get it untill I scrolled down a tad and saw why his tatoos were missing. Oh My GOD!

We need to get out of Iraq. This is my generation we're talking about. This is bull.


I'm totally pissed!

;[

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 07:17 AM

I want to save that corp of Esquire Mag so I can e-mail my members of Congress and a few other people's members of Congress on January 4th.

;[

STOP FUNDING THIS WAR!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 07:21 AM

Now DPD, you know how it goes with those Presidential funerals.

I can bear Ford, but I just couldn't stomach the sendoff they gave Reagan when he was responsible for this country going backwards.

Besides Frod's claim to fame was pardoning Richard Nixon who also is now dead. Yeah that sealed the Watergate case, but at this point who cares. What Geroge W. and his administration have done his way beyond Watergate stuff.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 07:22 AM

Please forgive me if this has been posted. I've been busy with the holidays, but the gall of this administration never ceases to amaze me.

Intelligence sources say President Bush -- along with Israel's Ehud Olmert and the UK's Tony Blair -- are weighing the possibility of Israeli-led attacks on Syria and Iran in early 2007, with the United States providing logistical back-up.

http://www.alternet.org/story/45852/

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Cyn_NY on December 27, 2006 at 07:26 AM

The fact that New Orleans is still devastated is proof that this 110th Congress will have to address the situation. The federal government just can't crap out and do nothing as to rebuilding that city of which much is still in ruins.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122606S.shtml

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J on December 27, 2006 at 07:26 AM

Posted by gregg on December 27, 2006 at 07:14 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's the Holiday Thread.

:)

Hi, CYN!


:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 07:26 AM

a new job for the donald? from internet weekly report:

quack quack goes the donald duck

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gregg on December 27, 2006 at 07:27 AM

CYN-Are you ready for something tough this am? Scroll back to my 7:03 AM post and tell me what you think...Please..(Click on the link)

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 07:35 AM

Morning, Freedom!

50 Things We Know Now (That We Didn't Know This Time Last Year) 2006 Edition

http://www.tbo.com/life/MGBUFCRF5WE.html

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Cyn_NY on December 27, 2006 at 07:40 AM

Posted by Cyn_NY on December 27, 2006 at 07:26 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks for posting. If it was already posted, I never saw it.

Why are we going to Iran now? I thought we were fighting Al Queada ? Right now, they are in Africa fighting the Ethiopians. Why are'nt we over there helping?

I can't stand George Bush and the same way everyone is talking about the Disgraced Gerald Ford is NOTHING compared to how we will be judging him.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 07:41 AM

i see the ford funeral will not include a reading of any robert frost poems by dpd or fos....

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gregg on December 27, 2006 at 07:41 AM

Goodfoe, that is tough to see. It's just awful.

Too bad we don't see more brave veterans on the covers of magazines, in newspapers, interviewed on nightly news, speaking out and showing what this war has done to them. And, what about the scars we can't see?

Bush should be dealt with now, before he has a chance to kill and maim more people.

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Cyn_NY on December 27, 2006 at 07:45 AM

bush needs to think about things in iraq a bit faster:

7 U.S. Troops Added To Rising Toll in Iraq

By Nancy Trejos
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 27, 2006; Page A01

BAGHDAD, Dec. 26 -- Seven more American service members have been killed in Iraq, the U.S. military reported Tuesday. It is the second deadliest month of the year for troops.

carnage

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gregg on December 27, 2006 at 07:47 AM

Cyn,

Nice List.

As a new Wisconsinite, I would just like to say regarding ;

6. Cheese consumption in the United States is expected to grow by 50 percent between now and 2013


CHA CHING!

;)

Oh shoot! It's time to go.Talk to everyone later.

Have a nice Day!

Bye!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 07:49 AM

CYN...That cover of Esquire might help us to get the funding cut off...I wish everyone in America could see it and read that vet's story...Thx for caring...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 07:51 AM

Hey, goodfoe, maybe we should post a link to that cover all over the internet. The more people that see it the better.


Freedom, I thought you would like this one:
3. Blue light fends off drowsiness in the middle of the night, which could be useful to people who work at night.

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Cyn_NY on December 27, 2006 at 08:00 AM

CYN...I agree....What we need is some help...
What this vet said is, " I used to have 9 tatoos, now I only have 6 1/2 left"....http://tinyurl.com/yasdg
x......Pass it on.....

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 08:08 AM

goodfoe,

I sent the link from DU showing the cover of the vet to my newly elected congressman. (and a few other close friends)

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Esmeralda on December 27, 2006 at 08:11 AM

I'm having trouble posting that link again....anyone whi is interested can scroll back to my 7:03 AM post...Sorry about that...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 08:11 AM

good morning, y'all...

generallissimo the ford king is still dead...this is going to be a long six days for the t.v. crazies. keep it to yourselves, please...that golfer buried the truth many times. no love lost here.

as to bravery...that is the fodder that keeps them going in...let's stop glorifying it. it is what it is. i have friends from Viet Nam missing body parts. they do no delude themselves into thinking that they were "brave"...they were used, as they are today. it's all based on LIES!

let's stop this ridiculous killing. it makes no difference to me whatsoever if the bloody stumps are on Americans or Iraqis or Kurds...and so on.

why do we tolerate this? why don't we tell the kids DON'T GO? it's on us. the blood is on us, for not taking to the streets and going nuts until it stops.

oh wait, we're going to Iran...whoooohooooo!!

bread and circuses and there's a big one comin' up soon.

praise the lord and pass the ammunition. ka boooom!

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fade2bluz on December 27, 2006 at 08:16 AM

I don't think that congress will cut off funding.

When I viewed the cover of esquire, I thought, I wonder if w and his administration has a bunch of stock in companies that make electronic body parts?

Borg me baby.

~~~~~~~~~~

Oh Crud! I'm running late!
Here's a tidbit for you all. (when will the USA join the EU?)

Will EU and US be tougher now on Iran?


The United Nations Security Council resolution targeting Iran's nuclear program may not impede Tehran from moving closer to building a bomb, but it does guarantee one thing: Iran will remain the focus of international diplomacy in 2007.

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Esmeralda on December 27, 2006 at 08:16 AM

I'm having trouble posting that link again....anyone whi is interested can scroll back to my 7:03 AM post...Sorry about that... http://tinyurl.com/yasdgx

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 08:16 AM

Good morning, all.

Just a reminder to working folks: your home is not your castle; it's belongs to Medicaid if you die in a nursing home.

Instead of allowing the working poor to die with dignity, the Republicans are more concerned about seizing their life savings. After all, we all know those paltry assets are needed to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy and multinationals.

I suppose the GOP will next be lurking around hospices like vultures making sure no one from the family leaves with Grandma's wedding ring.

A flap over recouping costs of Medicaid

By Amy Green, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

Tue Dec 26, 3:00 AM ET

ORLANDO, FLA. - Ever since Judy Clifford's parents died, she had planned to move with her husband into their Nashville, Tenn., home, which she knew so well.

"I felt like they were still there," says Ms. Clifford, who is retired. "I could see my mother standing at the sink washing dishes and my daddy watching TV, and I wanted to stay in the house because of that."

Instead, the two-bedroom ranch-style home is for sale for $122,000, the subject of a bitter tug-of-war between the Cliffords and TennCare, Tennessee's healthcare program for the poor and uninsured. TennCare has laid claim to the home to recoup the cost of caring for Clifford's mother, who was on TennCare when she died three years ago.

In the face of soaring Medicaid costs, Tennessee and every other state are required to set up a Medicaid estate-recovery program. Many have been launched only recently, and some - like Tennessee's - are becoming more aggressive. Often, they target the home because it's all that's left after beneficiaries have spent their assets to pay for nursing-home care....

States base their programs on a 1993 federal law mandating that they recover what Medicaid spends on a beneficiary's long-term care. Congress approved the law to prevent states from forcing the sale of beneficiaries' homes while they were still living, in case their conditions improve and they can return home, says Mary Kahn, spokeswoman for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services...

//news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20061226/ts_csm/amedicaid

Why don't we just wheel the old and sick out to the curb at the first signs of decline, so it will be that much easier for the state real estate folks to get the For Sale signs up...before they die?

The conservatives operate from an interesting logic. They will move mountains and spend millions of tax payer dollars to keep the brain dead and unformed fetuses on life support. But it you are old and poor, you better pay up as you check out.

I wonder if they will be selling off the assets of the Gerald Ford Presidential Library to pay for his final care.


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SandyH on December 27, 2006 at 08:19 AM

Good morning Fade...hope all is well with you...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 08:23 AM

Ambassadors from the 15 countries on the council were briefed first by Secretary General Kofi Annan's special representative for Somalia, Francois Lonseny Fall, and then began debating the text of a statement calling for the withdrawal of Ethiopian forces from Somalia.

But U.S. diplomats said they would seek changes to the draft.

"We don't want to single out Ethiopia in that way and believe they have legitimate security concerns," a U.S diplomat said. "Our position is that we need all parties to return to dialogue."

The diplomat, who agreed to discuss aspects of the U.S. position in exchange for anonymity, said the United States would also push for a condemnation of the Islamic Courts' use of child soldiers in the conflict.

Pol Pot demonstrated the effectiveness of training 'em when they're young. brilliant! how hypocritical we are, the weapons manufacturers, to condemn the most effective way to win a guerrilla war. of course, we can't win those with fire power...

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fade2bluz on December 27, 2006 at 08:23 AM

They're lawyering up; and if that doesn't work, they're going to invoke provisions of the Patriot Act.

Bush is bracing for new scrutiny

White House hiring lawyers in expectation of Democratic probes

By Julie Hirschfeld Davis
Sun reporter
Originally published December 26, 2006

WASHINGTON // President Bush is bracing for what could be an onslaught of investigations by the new Democratic-led Congress by hiring lawyers to fill key White House posts and preparing to play defense on countless document requests and possible subpoenas.

Bush is moving quickly to fill vacancies within his stable of lawyers, though White House officials say there are no plans to drastically expand the legal staff to deal with a flood of oversight.

"No, at this point, no," Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, said recently. "We'll have to see what happens."

Snow rebutted the notion that Bush is casting about for legal advice in the wake of his party's loss of control of the Congress.

"We don't have a war room set up where we're ... dialing the 800 numbers of law firms," he said...

//www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.investigate26dec26,0,7071390.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

Is this the real "surge" they are "rethinking" down at the ranch this week?

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SandyH on December 27, 2006 at 08:30 AM

Ten Top Myths about Iraq

Juan Cole

and one final disgusting piece of filth before i go...i hate these pigs!

The FBI is missing nearly a quarter of its files relating to investigations of recent leaks of classified information, according to a court filing the bureau made last week.

In response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the FBI said it identified 94 leak investigations since 2001, but that the investigative files in 22 of those cases "are missing" and cannot be located. "There is no physical slip of paper on the shelf which indicates that the file has been charged out to a particular FBI employee, so therefore there is no way of knowing where the file may actually be," an official in the bureau's records division, Peggy Bellando, wrote in a December 22 declaration.

"That's an amazing number," an academic who has studied the FBI's record-keeping procedures, Athan Theoharis of Marquette University, said in an interview yesterday. "These are very sensitive investigations. ... They could be called to account for whether they are monitoring reporters. These are records that should be handled very well."

Over the past decade, the FBI has waged an epic struggle to computerize and automate its records systems. The agency abandoned a $170 million "Virtual Case File" project last year after years of Congressional hearings and critical evaluations led to the conclusion that the system would never be implemented successfully.

One frequent critic of government database programs, Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union, said that record makes it understandable that a substantial proportion of the leak files would be mislaid.

keep it lit~

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fade2bluz on December 27, 2006 at 08:31 AM

OK, folks. Let's get the count up to 500 posts and see if anyone notices.

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SandyH on December 27, 2006 at 08:33 AM

hi goodfoe, good morning to you!

sandy, that's the other half of the shell game. can't win in court without the paper trail...they're shredding with one hand and dialing with the other.

Tony Snow is a pair liar. if he says it, the opposite is true.

good grab. btw, that's why Gates is in there. he will prove to be much worse than Rummy.

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fade2bluz on December 27, 2006 at 08:34 AM

that's paid liar...not pair...

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fade2bluz on December 27, 2006 at 08:36 AM

fade,

I wonder if those quarter of the missing files are the ones concerning the 9/11 highjackers' activities within the country leading up to the attack.

I'm shoving off, too. I'll be back later if we get a new thread.

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SandyH on December 27, 2006 at 08:41 AM

SandyH...My personal solution is to give the house back to the mortgage company and commit suacide....Medicare can't recover from that!...that is the solution that is being forced on many people..."don't you dare to live too long...if you can't pay big taxes to support our system, then go off in a corner and die,...we don't want to give you anything back for all of your years of hard work supporting this country".....The other solution is to sell the house and give the money to the kids, but you better not die too soon otherwise its a gift in contemplation of death and the gov. will sue the kids to try to recover....another solution might be to get a"reverse" annuity mortage where the title to the house goes to the ins. co.or mortgage co. selling the annuity. You get monthly income as long as you're alive and you get to continue to live in the house until death, then the house belongs to the ins co. Of course, if that happened that way, Medicare wouldn't have a clainm on the house to start with......it's one hell of amess!

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 08:46 AM

In an unsuccessful attempt to impeach Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas in 1960, Representative Gerald Ford declared: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:43 AM

Ack! That sounds suspiciously like "It's not a crime if the President does it"....and more recently "It's not a crime if the commander-in-chief does it"....and my personal favorite "Words mean what I say they mean"

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 08:52 AM

goodfoe,

Or you could take out a home equity loan and have one hell of a last family reunion in Vail before checking into the the nursing home.

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SandyH on December 27, 2006 at 08:52 AM

It's odd that you would mention Kent State, where 4 white kids were gunned down, and not Jackson State (Mississippi) where the SAME Damn Thing happened!

Posted by DPD on December 27, 2006 at 02:52 AM

Probably because Kent State is more well known to more people, DPD. I myself have never heard about it happening at Jackson State. But since you so kindly provided a link, I will now educate myself on the matter.

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 08:55 AM

SandyH.......You are so brilliant!...I guess that is why you still get the big bux and I don't.....Lets stop this insane war and have peace!!!

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 08:59 AM

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 27, 2006 at 04:39 AM

LMAO!! Quote me where I said that The Washington Post is LIBERAL...I never said one thing about the Washington post, tongue-wagger.

But I will go on the record saying that The Washington POST, as opposed to the Washington TIMES, is not a RIGHT-WING publication. True, they are not a LIBERAL organization, but then, not every paper is The Nation. It's kind of funny, actually...you hear the right-wing complaining about the "liberal media" and you hear the left complaining about the "right-wing media", and most of the time, they're talking about the SAME publications!

As for Ms. Ebonya Washington, as opposed to you and J, I actually READ her paper that analyzed historical data over the past 20 years. She never claimed it to be a predictor of how the race in Maryland would turn out, that was the work of the stupid-ass reporter who based his conclusions on her research of voting trends. Her paper is a hypothesis, and one she herself concludes needs more analysisin her final paragraph:

What explains this increased turnout? Candidate experience does not. Nor do voter attitudes. Nor does increased media, party or voter attention. Perhaps a perception of an extreme liberalness on the part of Black candidates is a factor. This is consistent with the increased turnout in response to Black Democratic but not Black Republican candidates. To further test this validity of this explanation, data on candidate ideology and on voters’ perception thereof are needed. The collection and analysis of such data is the subject of future work.

I might also add, Dr. Washington is the author of another paper I found interesting, How Daughters Affect Their Legislator Fathers' Voting on Women's Issues, in which she found that it seems the more daughters a legislator has, the more liberal he becomes in his voting and attitudes toward women's issues.

She nevers makes any judgements on whether this is a good or bad trend, she is simply reporting her observations based on the available data, period. What use a stupid ass reporter with no idea how to interpret a paper written by a scientist might make of it is not her fault, you anti-intellectual SNOB!!

The ONLY problem you have with this person is the fact YOU do not like the end result of her reasearch showing that for those elections covered, white Democrats were MORE likely to cross party lines to vote for a white candidate than white Republicans. Well, that and the fact that it was brought up by BlueMoon, who I can see is not very popular with some here. Shje presents evidence from many different races over a twenty year period, you bring up ONE race in ONE year and think that is a refutation of her work? Give me a break.

Oh, and if you have evidence, other than the fact she went to Yale and so did Bush, that she is a conservative, please post some links. And remember, Yale has nothing to do with being conservative, or are you saying Kerry is a conservative too?

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 09:39 AM

Good mornine Gregl....seems that everyone is waiting for a new thread

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 09:46 AM

good morning. this is a ridiculously long thread. what is up with that?

Posted by gregg on December 27, 2006 at 07:14 AM

I'm thinking our good hosts are takin' the week off?

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 09:52 AM

Posted by J on December 27, 2006 at 07:07 AM

So you think maybe they'll be a little more reasonable in the next session of Congress, then?

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 09:55 AM

Gregl....I don't know, some of us thought that if we went over 500 we might get a new thread....Have you seen the cover of this month's Esquire Mag? The vet on the front said, "I used to have 9 tatoos, now I only have 6 1/2" If you have not seen it, you can scroll back to my 7:03am post and click on the link there, and give me your feed back, if you want to....

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 10:00 AM

Good morning everyone! Anyone know if the DNC is taking a normal holiday or is more like a GWB holiday and we will get a new thread after the 1st. :)

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 10:14 AM

Good morning Kristen,...I sure don't know...just hanging around for awhile...how are you doing?

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 10:20 AM

Yeah, I saw the cover...not sure what kind of feedback I can give. He's not the first, nor will he be the last to lose a limb in service to his country. Cept he really didn't lose it in service to his country, but instead to the maniac who lives (occassionally) in the White House.

The war sucks, and I want our guys home. But I've said that since the beginning. It's not much use for me to write or call my Senators and Representative, rubber stamps for Bush that they are. I've stumped for candidates who wanted that, I've voted for candidates that want that, I've written, I've called, I've donated, etc. The Dem candidate, Barabara Ann Radnofsky, got creamed, more than likely because no one knew who she was because she didn't have enough money to advertise. Well, I shouldn't say NO money, she did advertise on Air America. Talk about preaching to the choir. Silly.

Now I'm just waiting to see what, if anything, the Democratic Congress will do.

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 10:26 AM

Hiya Goodfoe, back to work today but thinking it will be just a one day show as I have a huge mess left behind from Santa's visit on Monday and could use the extra time to get the house organized for the new year.

I have a couple things I want to post but don't want them lost at the bottom of this long thread so I guess I'll sit and wait a bit with you.

Hope you are doing well!

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 10:26 AM

Gregl....I have done a lot of writing to Congressmen and some emails....Often no response of any kind...I often feel like I'm on the beach screaming into the wind...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 10:34 AM

I love good company!!!

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 10:37 AM

Oh, I always get a response from Hutchison...the letter that says "Thank you, your opinion has been noted, and here's why you're wrong and George Bush is God"

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 10:38 AM

Gregl...I'm from Texas...are you talking about our Ms Kay B. Hutchison?...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 10:47 AM

Good morning {{Dems}}

Kristen, if ya wanna see a mess, just come on over. I'm arse-deep in packing boxes. It looks like Mayflower threw up in my den. Can't wait to get it all shifted to the new place!

Mornin' GoodFoe. Still fighting the good fight!

GregL -- tell me about non-responses from useless rubber-stamping reich-wingers. I get the same boilerplate from Dole and Burr. Useless and major league treasonous, pocket-padding crooks. If I *had* hair, I'd be tearing out. To think I traded life under Jebbie for all this (sigh)

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HillWilliam on December 27, 2006 at 10:49 AM

goodfoe,

Yup, that would be the one...Cornyn is the one that doesn't bother to answer at all. Of course, he's also the one (I think) that doesn't even have an email address. Guess he's afraid of the tubes accidentally sucking his pea-brain out.

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 10:52 AM

HillWilliam...Can I assume that since you are packing that you have closed on your new place and that everything went ok?

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 10:55 AM

Greggl....I have never written to either one of them, too much water under the bridge for me to waste the time and effort....Cornyn was the a/g here in Texas when I filed major complaints with his office asking for sanctions against a group life insurance company doing business hewre in Texas. Next to nothing happened. Insurance companies are big contibuterd to Rat canidates...I hope the Dem's can come up with a good canidate and kick his ass out of office! I hate his hair!!!!

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 11:03 AM

HW, we have talked about buying a new house but the idea of packing is enough for me to decide never to move again, even if we outgrow the space.

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 11:05 AM

GoodFoe,

Closing is the 15th. We ran into a little snag during inspection. Everything was fine until we went to turn on the water to test the pump. Well, the pump worked just fine, but the pressure tank has a hole in it. Lovely :-P The seller has agreed to replace the tank... but try and find a plumber over the holidays. Y'know how it is. I've made the requisite calls for bids and am waiting on the faxes. Then we should be good to close on the 15th (or before, if possible).

That far out in the sticks, it'll have to be satellite for "internets", so it may be a little while before I get back online when we finally do start moving. I'll keep y'all posted until then!

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HillWilliam on December 27, 2006 at 11:06 AM

Oooh, I hates dat satellite internet! Dang stuff was almost as slow as dial-up and less reliable. Not that AT&T wireless is much better on the reliability factor, but at least they're much faster. AND, since their reliability has been so bad, we haven't been charged a cent yet.

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 11:09 AM

I've given up on writing my senator's or at least given up on expecting anything back but a form letter telling me why the sun rises and sets over either of their backsides.

I pick up the phone and call and give my rant directly to one of their staff members. Not sure it does any good, but I was quite impressed that the sales tax deduction made it out of committee in three days (which Cantwell's staff member didn't think would happen) and up for a vote on the last day of session. (This was one of the things I called and ranted about)

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 11:09 AM

HillWilliam....I hope it goes well for you the rest of the way,...it should,...that should not be too large a problem to correct...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 11:12 AM

Kristen....We sent quite a package to Cantwell, copy of our book, doc's on health care....she was one of several Dem's we recieved no response from, not even an acknowledgement of having recieved the book.....
Well, she's a busy gal!

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 11:20 AM

Goodfoe, Cantwell is a PITA. Honestly if gaining control of the Senate wasn't so important this last election cycle I probably would have voted for her Republican challenger and hoped for a better Democrat in 6 years.

The only thing Cantwell is good for is environmental issues, she is not personable and really doesn't give crud about people.

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 11:27 AM

Kristen...I believe that...the package we sent her with our book etc., was expensive to mail out. I was disapointed not to even get an acknowledgement from someone on her staff....hell, Nancy Peosi is very busy and even she took the time to respond...so I believe you...Cantwell does not care about people...wasn't her election close?...Maybe that is the reason why...

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 11:37 AM

no, she actually won with a rather large margin which was a surprise and I think we really expected McGavick to at least give her a run for her money.

I think the surprise was that she had two Democrat challengers and an independent challenger, all of which were very much against Iraq. It took Cantwell months before she would even suggest a change in course. It took her paying off one of her challengers to get him out of the race and even tried with the second.

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 11:52 AM

No new thread yet. Enjoying the holiday I guess. Can't blame them.

Good afternoon goodfoe, Kristen, GregL, HillW.

GregL, reasonable? Hmm..... well I'll say this, that Senate is not going to run around like the world is theirs and f**k everyone else in this 110th Congress.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 11:54 AM

Kristen....thx for the info...its a beautiful day down here in Spring, Texas. ...I'm going to take my youngest grandson for a ride and feed him. He's a tank! I hope all of you have a great day...Later...Maybe...New Thread?....Maybe....

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goodfoe on December 27, 2006 at 12:00 PM

Hi J! I thought of you as I read this today. I was hoping for a new thread to post it on but what the heck, it doesn't look that will happen.

Wage war on hunger, not the hungry

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 12:03 PM

True, J, but will they be able to stop the runaway train in the White House?

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 12:14 PM

LEONARDTOWN, Maryland (AP) -- An Army Reservist despondent about being sent to Iraq was killed by police during a 14-hour standoff that began Christmas night when family members told authorities he was armed and threatening to kill himself.

James Emerick Dean, 28, had barricaded himself inside his father's house with several weapons Monday night, family members told police. He later told officers he would shoot anyone who entered the house. His father was not home at the time.

Around noon Tuesday, while police were preparing to use tear gas to force Dean out of the home, Dean came to the front door and pointed his weapon at an officer, St. Mary's County Sheriff Tim Cameron said. Another deputy shot Dean once, killing him.

Dean had already served 18 months in Afghanistan and was despondent after learning recently that he would be deployed to Iraq, family members told police.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/27/reservist.shot.ap/index.html

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BlueinIdaho on December 27, 2006 at 12:20 PM

True, J, but will they be able to stop the runaway train in the White House?

Posted by GregL on December 27, 2006 at 12:14 PM

Right now the White House train is on a sidetrack because it hasn't regrouped from November. these folks don't really know what to do and that can be a problem in itself. By not knowing they can very well make terrible mistakes (yes worse than ones they have made) or try to stand tall with the John Wayne thing and dig in their heels which can cause an uproar.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 01:15 PM

Long ass thread continues. No big deal, unless you are dial up. (guess the DNC never had to live like that. ok, I'll suck up my own less fortunate state of lifestyle of not being on a T-1 at home)

Antarctic ozone layer 90 to 99 per cent gone


A STUDY released today shows just how dramatic the ozone loss in the Antarctic has been over the past 20 years compared to the same phenomenon in the Arctic.

The study found "massive" and "widespread" localised ozone depletion in the heart of Antartica's ozone hole region, beginning in the late 1970s, but becoming more pronounced in the 1980s and `90s.

The US government scientists who conducted the study said that there was an almost complete absence of ozone in certain atmospheric air samples taken after 1980, compared to earlier decades.

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Esmeralda on December 27, 2006 at 01:18 PM

Hi J! I thought of you as I read this today. I was hoping for a new thread to post it on but what the heck, it doesn't look that will happen.

Wage war on hunger, not the hungry

Posted by Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 12:03 PM

Thanks Kristen. I'll be writing a piece on my party builder blog about hunger within the coming weeks. Will let you know when it's up.

One would be surprised at who in this country has "low food security". Hunger does not discriminate. The Bush administrtion thinks that between Soup Kitchens and faith based organizations they can take care of the hungry in this country. I won't even give a reply to that thought because of the extreme profanity involved.

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J on December 27, 2006 at 01:26 PM

The Bush administrtion thinks that between Soup Kitchens and faith based organizations they can take care of the hungry in this country.

Posted by J on December 27, 2006 at 01:26 PM

"And would you prefer a side of Thessalonians or Revelation with your meal?"

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GregL on December 27, 2006 at 01:40 PM

Consultant Helps Democrats Embrace Faith, and Some in Party Are Not Pleased

As Democrats turn toward the 2008 presidential race, a novice evangelical political operative is emerging as a rising star in the party, drawing both applause and alarm for her courtship of theological conservatives in the midterm elections.


More Politics NewsParty strategists and nonpartisan pollsters credit the operative, Mara Vanderslice, and her 2-year-old consulting firm, Common Good Strategies, with helping a handful of Democratic candidates make deep inroads among white evangelical and churchgoing Roman Catholic voters in Kansas, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

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Esmeralda on December 27, 2006 at 01:53 PM

Where Are the Christians?

It's not rocket science to understand why Republicans have gone into hibernation on the issue of Rep. Virgil Goode's outrageous rant against his fellow Congressman, Keith Ellison - the first Muslim ever elected to either legislative house - who wants to take his oath on the Quran.

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Esmeralda on December 27, 2006 at 01:56 PM

Announcing the P.U.-litzer Prizes for 2006


Competition has been fierce this year for the fifteenth annual P.U.-litzer Prizes.

Many can plausibly lay claim to stinky media performances, but only a few can win a P.U.-litzer. As the judges for this uncoveted award, Jeff Cohen and I have deliberated with due care. (Jeff is the founder of the media watch group FAIR and author of the superb new book Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media.)

And now, the winners of the P.U.-litzer Prizes for 2006

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Esmeralda on December 27, 2006 at 02:02 PM

Obama intern linked to fundraiser

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Esmeralda on December 27, 2006 at 02:05 PM

Saddam letter urges Iraqis not to hate

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 02:12 PM

New open thread!

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Kristen on December 27, 2006 at 02:43 PM

Okay, this one's for GregL.

I will try to keep this short and to the point.

1. I have not, nor have I ever been a SNOB!So don't you ever call me that again!

2. It's impossible for me to be anti-intellectual because I have such an uncontrolable disdain for IDIOTS.

3. I have no problem with anyone from Yale University or any other University for that matter.I just have a problem with people who think they deserve a free platform because of where they went to school. I only made one comment about her and Yale and you are the one who went off.(What's really going on?)

4. As far as Washington Post/Times goes. It's easy to argue that they are "neutral" when the whole nation hates their Republican President and his Republican Congress, hell even Fox News has leaned a little to the center in the wake of their pathetic Loser in Chief and his Congressional Cronies , but watch what hapenes as soon as we get the 2008 Election going. Wait till after everyone has thrown in their ticket to run and then, we'll talk about the bias WaPo has in favor of the Republicans.I'll bet you today. John Mc Cain and Guilianni will become their GODs!

That's all. Have a nice day.


:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on December 28, 2006 at 01:18 AM


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