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What did you miss this week?
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Good evening, everyone. I hope this is the open thread.
I've missed all the news, but did spend an exciting week being educated on election matters. Off time was spend with my fellow Democrats!
The reception for our new Sec. of State, Atty. Gen., & Treasurer was very well attended. Congressman Space dropped by the OAEO recection, as did St. Rep. Allan Sayre. It was wonderful to see them both.
A big highlight was hearing our new Governor, Ted Strickland, speak at the Ohio Democratic Chairs meeting! I'm a political groupie, so you all know I got my picture taken with him. ;)
The new Sec. of State is looking forward to listening to the state's election officials. I plan on sending her my ideas. You all want me to forward comments to her?
I do hope all are well.
Let the weekend begin! Enjoy it!
I don't know what you missed but I set up my personal blog that is focused on the nature of the debate in politics today and what we as Democrats need to do to regain control of the framework of the debate.
I need feedback and want to know if people out there think it is a discussion worth having.
Hi, Essie.
Glad to hear you had a good conference. Tell your Secretary of State that voting by mail is the way to go.
So those Ohio election employees who were in court last week...were they Republican or Democrat? sally* and I would like to know.
I can wait for your answer next week. Have a great weekend.
Good Evening,
Countdown with Keith Olberman is on.
Hello?
Dayem,
How long was I asleep?
I's only 7 where is everyone?
;p
>>>>Breaking News!
Rove and Dan Bartlett have been SUBPOENAED in the Plame trial according to Newsweek via Countdown with phone confirmation from Isikoff.
(I guess that KKKarl's "sealed indictment" was violated sometime during the days testimony, and KKKarl has some 'splainin' to do, like 'WHY ARE YOU SUCH A LIAR??).
Posted by DPD on January 26, 2007 at 08:27 PM
That must heve beeen why I saw the bewaking News bar on MSNBC earlier.
So they haven't actually testified yet? I hope it's going to be on camera
;p
FOS: I found this for you, younster. This is what was happening in my youtte. You must learn about these people, their tricks, and be aware of one of the principles in the art of war: know your enemy. Does any of this sound familiar?
Segretti was McCain's campaign manager? wow--that part i didn't know...
quite a revelation, DPD...we are only two indictments away from the first female president of the United States...
OMG i love rickie lee!
This Sunday instead of our regular Book Salon, Howie Klein and I are going to be hosting a live chat with Rickie Lee Jones to talk about her upcoming CD, The Sermon On Exposition Blvd . Rickie Lee has been a great friend to Blue America, recording Have You Had Enough with the Maxwell/Mosher band that gave so much support to progressive candidates all over the country in the 2006 election. She'll also be giving us a song that will be available for download, so you won't want to miss what should be a really fun Sunday afternoon.
We'll be here at 2pm PT/5pm ET just yaking away, so stop by for the chat, stay for the music.
fade2bluz
Woah!
Thank you for that information. That is very interesting and helpful. These shady campaihn managers are something else.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 26, 2007
OMG!
That post looked tawded.
Sorry about that.I just woke up.I meant,
"Breaking News"
They have at the top of HuffPo too.
fade, I remember when that Rove dirty trick went down. Dixon was holding a "Thank You for your Support" grab & greet at the Palmer House (which is STILL the oldest continuously operating Hotel in the Western Hemisphere), and all these hookers and winos and street gangs showed up.
Dixon said, "Give 'em a drink! I'll talk to them." and the scheme "almost" worked when pictures of Dixon talking to "those types" hit the papers. He still won, but was always associated with the idea that he was the "candidate who parties with winos and hookers".
DPD ,
You would think that with modern technology and a more savvey group of American voters, they know these old fashioned tactics wont work.
It's sad and yet funny at the same time.
Posted by DPD on January 26, 2007 at 08:46 PM
it's a grand hotel, and i stay there twice a year on business.
i saw the Milwaukee smear first hand. they were worried about Coretta, as she was very beloved by people of all races and creeds.
anything or any one that is a threat to their power is taken out, two by two if they can
THAT is exactly what the moonie attack on Barack and Hilary was about. we need to pull together and chill. goodnight. it's a long way from the finish line. i agree with Pam, too. they will share the ticket.
wanna bet?
From DPD's Post;
Karl Rove and the Dixon campaign incident
In the fall of 1970, Karl Rove, current Bush Administration Deputy Chief of Staff, used a false identity to enter the campaign office of Alan J. Dixon, who was running for Illinois State Treasurer, and stole 1000 sheets of paper with campaign letterhead. Rove then printed fake campaign rally fliers promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing," and distributed them at rock concerts and homeless shelters, with the effect of disrupting Dixon's rally (Dixon eventually won the election). Rove's role would not become publicly known until August 1973. Rove told the Dallas Morning News in 1999, "It was a youthful prank at the age of 19 and I regret it."[1]
Sheeeze!
Freedom,
technology doesn't make us smarter or less emotional. these campaigns are DESIGNED to do exactly what they do.
so does TV, but that's another story
we have lost our focus and our memory, and we are running on raw emotion! CELEBRITY is the current cult.
Chalmers Johnson wrote a magnificent trilogy about that passage...it's sad but true.
well, let's focus on Rove changing his Depends...Ari got immunity without a lawyer...hmmmmm
what could that mean. Scottie is probably fighting a mean diahreahhhh...kaopectate TURBO
Sheeeze!
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 26, 2007 at 08:59 PM
that was in my link, too...
cya later
Malloy is on...keep it lit~
Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 08:56 PM
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What about Johhny?
;p
Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 09:01 PM
I know, but it sort of backfires when the electorate is privy to it. Negative Ads don't work on all demographics.
FOS, the Pugs got NUTTIN!!!! Never did, never will. That's why they have to start the smear at least 2 election cycles early. If if works, Oh, Well! If it doesn't work "Oh, Well, but at least (we) reached about 15% of their base". the third time it's "SEE!! I TOLD you!!! We WINNNNN".
Look at Rove's ACTUAL "successes". he needed a 'Lesbian" smear campaign for W to win in TX, and he needed W's daddy to pull strings for the 2000 hi-jacking of Democracy.
Since then, EVERY election has relied on voter fraud and intimidation, up until 2006 where Rove confidently proclaimed 'You guys (reporters) have some numbers, I have THE numbers".
Rove didn't expect the groundswell of HATE for W to overtake his pre planned 6 % vote stealing.
He tried, and (once again) FAILED. Now he is faced with the dilemma of "Talk" or "Frog Walk".
I like what Kerry said right before the 2006 election when it was OBVIOUS that the Dems would take the House, and MAYBE take the Senate too.
(Paraphrased) "The Senate will be tough, but I can't wait to see the Democrats rip that gavel from Denny Hastert's fist, and smack that smirk off George Bush's face".
MADAM PRESIDENT..... (Sounds good).
Posted by DPD on January 26, 2007 at 09:11 PM
I think the Republicans know full well they will lose in 08. It must be frustrating to fight to win the hearts of the only small group left in the Party. Republicans like to brag about being organized and always on the same page.........
That's exactly what has become their defeat. They can try (Hagel) to stand out as an individual, but it is too late. They have successfully drilled into the American peoples mind that they are one.
That's why they will all lose ........
....as one.
ROFLMAO!
DPD,
Do you know how to take a photo from another website and create a link for reposting ?
I'm trying buy I can't figure it out.
Where's a 21 year old when you need them?
;p
It depends on the site. Link the url and I'll let you know.
NO KKKARL ROVE AND JEFF GANNON / GUCKERT PHOTOS Puh-LEEZE!!
I've got something to say and its going to be blunt. This nation had better get tough with its incompetent leaders and they'd better do it soon. The only option is to accept that we will be endlessly dragged into conflicts like that we now face in Iraq.
There's one damn excuse I've heard a few too many times and that is that we should stop looking back and simply decide a way forward. This is said by those who wish to ignore the past because they know that we are partly responsible for what happened in Iraq and throughout the Middle East, where terrorism is concerned. Too many Americans have ignored this past for too long and it has only gotten us deeper into shit.
America's policies concerning the Middle East were and are nearly identical to those failed policies of the French and English who once attempted to involve themselves too deeply into Middle Eastern affairs. For us, the same approach failed in Iran (1979) and in Lebanon(1983). President Bush and his advisors know this history and yet have never taken it into account when making foreign policy decisions with regard to the Middle East. It appears as though they believe that persistance alone prevented this strategy from working for everyone who came before them.
This is just stupid. They know that this exact strategy has failed countless times before and yet they are willing to try it again? Their recent call for a surge of troops does nothing but illustrate how badly lost they really are. Are you honestly telling me that these people can think of no better solution than to throw more of the same at the problem? They are obviously not thinking.
President Bush has created our trouble with Iran. He allienated this nation the same day that he allienated most of the world. That day was March 20, 2003, the day he orded US troops into Iraq based on intelligence that he and the Vice President knew was false, care of Ambassador Wilson who visited Niger nearly six months earlier and debunked reports suggesting that Saddam Hussein had made a deal to acquire uranium.
Up until this invasion, which Iran opposed because it would obviously affect them significantly, they had supported us in our efforts to break up terror cells in the Middle East. This is the sort of past that Bush supporters would like you to forget. These are shallow people we are talking about, people who care more about their image than about what is right for America. You see, if these individuals were to even attempt to resolve our present conflict with Iran, then they would have to admit fault and they refuse to do that. These are a disgraceful group of people who will never admit fault for anything, no matter how obvious that fault is to the rest of us. They can, however, be held accountable.
We begin to correct this problem by holding these men and women accountable for what we know to be true. We try them on the streets and in the media. Obviously this won't see justice served itself, nor change foreign policy for the better, but it will set these things into motion. We must do this for the future of our country as well as for the future of the world which would be devastated were we to allow this administration to instigate further conflict.
Posted by DPD on January 26, 2007 at 09:27 PM
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I want Obama and Michelles photo.
Posted by Marine on January 26, 2007 at 08:58 PM
That was a thoughtful post. I agree that something has got to be done and soon for the good of the country and the world.
So the defense is calling Rove and Bartlett? Would they call Bush, too, if they think it would help get Scooter off?
The more they can make this seem like a conspiracy of the top brain trust with Scooter following orders the more the jury may feel he is a fall guy. Smart strategy.
Call Bush to the stand. He'll get ehm all indicted.
Re: Hillary Rodham Clinton
Key Bloggers express Doubt in her ability to win by pointing out the fact that she's stale.
It looks like that is a COPYRIGHTED photo owned by the AP. I would only be available through them. Wait a few days, and it'll be in enough papers to be covered by "fair use" laws.
Posted by DPD on January 26, 2007 at 09:41 PM
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Oh.Okay.
Thanks.
:)
Posted by SandyH on January 26, 2007 at 07:14 PM
I don't know, but I do believe they were a mixed bunch. The board is comprised of 2 dems, 2 repugs, with the director being the opposite of the chairman, and the deputy director opposite of the director. In my office we have equal representation of our hired staff. (one dem clerk, one repug clerk) Cuyhoga Co. has about 100 employees in their election board. I know the dep. director & director and a few staffers, not everyone. We had about 700 election officials at our conference. That's my guess.
I doubt their politics matters. To me, I don't see where politics come into play when doing one's day to day job. I know JKenneth was playing from a different propective though. (it is refreshing that Sec. of State Brunner stated she would not use her position to further partisan or issues causes) I don't do my job as a democrat, but that doesn't take away the fact that I am one.
It was a case of "selecting a precinct" that equaled the same number of ballots in the pollbook so that there would not be a manual recount of all ballots. I know you all think, good! count them all by hand. It's more complicated than it seems.
During one of the classes, a speaker stated that Denver CO had the same problems that FL 13th congressional had. It happens everywhere. It's just that the media has put FL & OH on the election map, so to speak. Matthews said on Hardball this evening that the west is going to be the new FL & OH. I can't wait!
Please forgive that I don't know the answer to your question. I have statewide voter query here, it only shows registration, not voting history. (your question is like when people stop me in the grocery store and want to know where a certain precinct is...like I'm a walking street indicator. haha)
Enjoy the evening, Sandy.
Petition to Al Gore...
run for president
wow, did y'all hear Kennedy today?
FOS,
email him. his staffer will mail you a signed one.
Sandy, I've been working on this issue since I became personally involved with it in 1990. At first I did not understand fully the situation, like most Americans, but I took an interest in the subject and learned all that I could because it felt as though my life depended upon it. I developed, over a considerable amount of time and through considerable research, my own understanding of our Middle East crisis.
I know now that when I see an individual glossing over any part of the history of that region, that an ideological view is at work and not a well designed plan of attack. I've watched the Bush administration do this from day one. If you'll remember the run up to the 2000 elections, Bush supporters were content to trash Clinton for creating problems in Iraq but were unwilling to accept that others before him had been equally responsible. Again, they will blame but never accept responsibility and for this reason are a detrimental to America.
FOS,email him. his staffer will mail you a signed one.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 09:46 PM
I just want to post it on a Blog.
;p
i still believe in fitzmas:
Will Rove Testify?
The president's political guru—and counselor Dan Bartlett—have been subpoenaed by Scooter Libby's lawyers. What it means for the most-watched trial in Washington—and who's next on the witness stand.
By Michael Isikoff
Newsweek
Updated: 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
Jan. 26, 2007 - White House anxiety is mounting over the prospect that top officials—including deputy chief of staff Karl Rove and counselor Dan Bartlett-may be forced to provide potentially awkward testimony in the perjury and obstruction trial of Lewis (Scooter) Libby.
Both Rove and Bartlett have already received trial subpoenas from Libby’s defense lawyers, according to lawyers close to the case who asked not to be identified talking about sensitive matters. While that is no guarantee they will be called, the odds increased this week after Libby’s lawyer, Ted Wells, laid out a defense resting on the idea that his client, Vice President Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, had been made a “scapegoat” to protect Rove. Cheney is expected to provide the most crucial testimony to back up Wells’s assertion, one of the lawyers close to the case said. The vice president personally penned an October 2003 note in which he wrote, “Not going to protect one staffer and sacrifice the other.” The note, read aloud in court by Wells, implied that Libby was the one being sacrificed in an effort to clear Rove of any role in leaking the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame, wife of Iraq war critic Joe Wilson. “Wow, for all the talk about this being a White House that prides itself on loyalty and discipline, you’re not seeing much of it,” the lawyer said.
Too many are looking at our involvement in the Middle East as though it were a ballgame to be won. These people have lost sight of the objective, which is to maintain good foreign relations, relations that promote free trade and prevent those conflicts which interupt progress. These people have blinders on.
the money trail...big donors flipping from Kerry to whom?
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 26, 2007 at 09:52 PM
either way, they'll be happy to send you a photograph.
Posted by gregg on January 26, 2007 at 09:55 PM
while you were snoring with the pooch in front of the wood stove, DPD posted that...were there visions of sugarplums dancing in your head?
Ari was granted immunity without a lawyer...will we get to the bottom of who was Jeff's bottom?
i feel giddy!
it will be nice when we get an administration in the white house that makes agencies do their jobs instead of appointing assholes to lead them who believe the opposite of the objective the people intended to achieve by creating such agencies in the first place. from salon:
Federal Court Rules Against EPA
By LARRY NEUMEISTER Associated Press Writer
January 26,2007 | NEW YORK -- The Environmental Protection Agency must force power plants to protect fish and other aquatic life even if it's expensive, a federal appeals court said in a ruling favoring states and environmental groups.
The decision late Thursday by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals concluded that it was improper for the EPA to let power plants circumvent environmental laws -- for instance, restocking polluted water with new fish instead of paying to upgrade their technology.
It said the EPA's decisions must "be driven by technology, not cost," unless two technologies produce essentially the same benefits but have much different costs.
"EPA's goal is to protect fish and the ecosystem while meeting the nation's need for reliable energy sources," said Benjamin H. Grumbles, the agency's assistant administrator for water. The agency was reviewing the decision, he said.
The ruling drew praise from environmental groups and six states that had sued.
"This decision is a strong and stinging rebuke of the Bush administration's underhanded practice of issuing rule changes to undercut environmental laws," Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said in a statement Friday.
The other states involved are Rhode Island, Delaware, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York.
They sued after the EPA published regulations in July 2004 describing how power plants must protect aquatic life when they use water from bays, rivers, lakes, oceans and other waterways for cooling.
Scientists say fish, larvae and eggs are killed in the water-cooling process, which is used heavily in states with many older, mostly fossil-fuel plants.
The appeals court previously rejected arguments that some species are nuisances and require eradication. The court had also dismissed the claim that other species respond to population losses by increasing their reproduction.
Honestly, someone needs to explain how $505 billion dollars spent on war is better than $505 million dollars spent on negotiations. Someone also needs to explain why our President has never involved himself, even once, in a diplomatic attempt to prevent conflict. I don't mean by making statements either, I mean by sitting down with those who we disagree and attempting to work something out. Is this president not mature enough to be entrusted with such a task and if not should he really be president?
That doesn't sound like a well rounded individual does it?
either way, they'll be happy to send you a photograph.Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 09:57 PM
I'll be happy to have one too.
:)
Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 09:56 PM
See? I'm not the only one who likes Obama.
;p
Too many are looking at our involvement in the Middle East as though it were a ballgame to be won. These people have lost sight of the objective, which is to maintain good foreign relations, relations that promote free trade and prevent those conflicts which interupt progress. These people have blinders on.
Posted by Marine on January 26, 2007 at 09:56 PM
Marine, when you say "these people (view the war) as a ball game to be won" Who are "these people" you are speaking of? Government or Citizens? Or who? And who's "objective" is it to promote free trade and prevent conflict? I see a whold different scenario.
Hollywood giving Obama movie star treatment
POSTED: 3:56 p.m. EST, January 26, 2007
(AP) -- Star quality: It's what Hollywood was built on. And there's no question that to the many powerful Democrats in the entertainment community, Sen. Barack Obama has loads of it.George Clooney calls him a friend. Halle Berry has said she'd "collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear." Oprah Winfrey says he's her man.
And three of the most powerful men in Hollywood -- Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen -- have just invited Democrats to a truly high-profile fundraiser: a February 20 reception for Obama at the Beverly Hilton Hotel, with a dinner later at Geffen's home for top donors
Question: I know Hillary, Obama and Edwards are all getting some of that California Love, but can anyone name one person in Hollywood supporting Hillary that's under the age of 60?
It's just a question. I'm not being snarky.
;p
LMAO
Huckabee's hat is in the ring...better than Brownbeck? McCain looks too tired (and pale, FOS) to make it to the finish line.
Arkansas' Ethics Commission has admonished Huckabee for violations five times in 14 years, once for taking money from an organization whose donors have never been listed. He jokingly attributed his weight loss to a "concentration camp" diet and once called his state a "banana republic."
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 26, 2007 at 10:18 PM
three little words: do the math
will da yout get da vote out?
how many boomers vs. gennexters?
Posted by Esmeralda on January 26, 2007 at 09:45 PM
Essie,
Thanks for giving us the background. sally* was trying to say they had to be Democrats, because the Cleveland newspaper didn't state their party affliation. I thought there had to be more to it than that.
I'm taking it easy this weekend. We will be visiting with relatives. Glad you had a chance to get those photo opps.
will da yout get da vote out?how many boomers vs. gennexters?
Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 10:20 PM
;P
Turnout trumps Demographic size.
fos, hillary won the senate race here with 73% of the 18 to 29 year old vote and 63% of the 60 and older vote. that is out of about 4.5 million votes cast.
Is this president not mature enough to be entrusted with such a task and if not should he really be president?
Posted by Marine on January 26, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Marine,
I think it's pretty obvious to everyone what the answer is to that question. He's usless for anything put public appearances.
Do you remember that video tape of him at the pre-landfall Katrina briefing? He didn't ask one question, and this was the first potential Category 5 hurricane to hit the United States in history.
Incredible but true.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 10:18 PM
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As far as the RED's go, the more rabid right wing they are, the easier it will be for us to win the White House in 2008 and snatch up all their 21 seats in the Senate so we can tell Joe Judas Lieberman to go ____ _______ . This time, we will force THEM in a corner and paint them the crazies like they tried to do to us.
;p
And three of the most powerful men in Hollywood -- Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen -- have just invited Democrats to a truly high-profile fundraiser: a February 20 reception for Obama at the Beverly Hilton Hotel, with a dinner later at Geffen's home for top donors
Aren't these the same group who support Arnold?
fos, hillary won the senate race here with 73% of the 18 to 29 year old vote and 63% of the 60 and older vote. that is out of about 4.5 million votes cast.Posted by gregg on January 26, 2007 at 10:25 PM
To bad for her that the great state of New York doesn't exactly mirror the nation as a whole now does it? Besides, look who she ran against? Republicans. She's gotta be able to beat a Real Democrat. Also, the Youth vote Democrat regardless of who it is. That's how they voted all accross the nation in 2006.
;p
(CBS/AP) Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Friday an effort in Congress to pass a resolution opposing President Bush's troop buildup undercuts U.S. commanders in Iraq and "emboldens the enemy."
...a rummy by any name is a rummy just the same. what emboldens the enemy can be found in the book the assasin's gate....not by listening to this reagan iran-contra retread gates.
A compounding of problems makes our Middle East crisis appear more complex than it really is. This is something that we've been doing since 1946 when the Israeli state was created by the United Nations despite objections from all Arab nations and despite the fact that many Israeli organizations were mere years earlier considered by British authorities to be terrorist organizations. How many Americans do you think know that the British expected that these Israelis would ignore the United Nations the way that they had ignored British authorities in the Palestine Mandate?
This is the beginning of todays crisis. Yes they have fought for many reasons in this part of the world since the beginning of time, but no more so than people all over the world. We're not trying to understand the cause of all conflict here, just the history of that conflict currently under way.
The militarization of the Middle East did not begin with the creation of an Israeli state, but it most certainly focused that effort. Up until that point European immigrants and native inhabitants clashed due to their vast cultural differences. These European immigrants just happened to be Jewish and those natives Arab, which obviously does not indicate that this conflict began as a racial disagreement.
This is how the conflict is categorized these days, as a racial disagreement between Jews and Arabs. It's not exactly reality however, for in reality the majority of individuals on either side of the conflict have no personal involvement and desire an end to it. Those who want the conflict to continue ensure that it does and in doing so intentionally subject their brethren to further trauma.
As this conflict grew these ideals began to infect people throughout the Middle East. Soon we began to see tensions escalating to the point at which allies of Israel also became the enemy. This is when Middle Eastern attacks on Americans and American interests began.
Since that time we have seen American relations with Iran go from one of military alliance to one of bitter enemies. This was a result of a grass roots effort that we saw coming well in advance and attempted, unsuccessfully, to thwart through increased military support of the Shah. That approach was heavyhanded as have been all failed attempts to establish long term alliances inside the Middle East.
in a bid to reestablish an ancient and outmoded society?
Posted by Skeet_Shooter on January 26, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Skeet_Shooter,
Says who? It's that kind of thinking that makes it difficult if not impossible for any dialogue to be established. Just because it's ancient doesn't necessarily makes it outmoded.
The same forms of governance have cropped up over and over again during history. Some seem to be favored more in different parts of the world than others. There must be a reason why they are adopted by these cultures...it works for them?
Sandy:
It was the videotaped evidence by Kathleen Wynne that allowed this case to come to trial, and it was the videotape that convicted two Cuyahoga County elections workers.
CONVICTED ELECTION WORKERS CHOSE NOT TO IMPLICATE HIGHER-UPS
According to sources interviewed by Black Box Voting, the women were offered plea bargains but declined, and their supervisors were never publicly required to account for the illegal manipulation of Cuyahoga County ballots during the 2004 recount of the presidential election.
Three Cuyahoga County elections workers were indicted; two (Kathleen Dreamer and Jacqui Maiden) were convicted today. The third, Rosie Grier, was acquitted. Neither Cuyahoga Elections Director Michael Vu nor Cuyahoga County Board of Elections chair Bob Bennett have publicly answered questions on this matter.
WHO WAS SUPERVISING AND WHO TRAINED THEM?
At the very least, questions should be asked about the training and management of the employees who rigged the recount. And more questions need to be answered about who ordered it.
Commentary on some left-leaning Web sites attempts to pin the blame for the loss of the 2004 presidential election on Dreamer and Maiden. In fact, no evidence has been presented alleging that they rigged the election -- what they did was to follow procedures to stack the deck on the recount. They say these recount-selection procedures have been in place for 20 years, and their conviction confirms that this violates the law.
HACK AND STACK
The illegal techniques used in the Cuyahoga County recount do enable jurisdictions to rig elections, through a tactic called "hack and stack." Citizen election watchdogs in Arizona report catching election workers stacking the deck this way.
Hack and stack works like this: Some recounts and audits rely on so-called "random" manual counts of a small percentage of the ballots, which are then compared against the voting computer counts for those precincts. The safeguard can be defeated by manipulating the precinct selection process, or by manipulating the ballots in the selected precincts to make sure they match before counting them. This "stacks" the recount or audit so that only subsets of data that match machine counts are examined.
In Cuyahoga County, citizens noticed that the ballots arrived for the public recount already sorted into sets for Bush and sets for Kerry. Kathleen Wynne videotaped the sorted piles and videotaped as she asked Kathleen Dreamer and Jacqui Maiden to explain the sorting and pre-selected piles. She captured them on videotape admitting that they had not chosen randomly.
Stacking the deck by manipulating the selection of so-called "random" recount or audit precincts will allow hacking the election in the other precincts to succeed.
When alert citizens in Arizona caught election workers in a similar kind of clandestine "stack" activity in a recent election, the prosecutor did not file charges. One possible reason: Without videotape, it's very difficult to make charges stick.
The question is how does either of these established societies confront and contain threats from extremists who are bent on overthrowing them in a bid to reestablish an ancient and outmoded society?
Posted by Skeet_Shooter on January 26, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Through limited response. The best way to ensure an increased threat is to make the decision that all who consider such a thing must be wiped off the face of the Earth. Britian no longer takes this approach with respect to the IRA and as a result the conflict has died down. It takes two armies to fight a war and it takes conflict to encourage further conflict. Infrequent attacks, though traumatic to many, do not ensure that an immense movement will immerge. What does ensure that that movement immerges is opposition.
Watch the Jane Flemming vs Ann CULTer interview again. Look at her actions when asked about Hillary's position in Iraq. It's quite telling that the Youth are paying more attention to what comes out of the mouth of the Democratic candidate as opposed to what comes out of the T.V Screen. That's one of the main differences. Gone are the days of,
"My Parents told me to vote for them"
The Youth make their own decisions and if you don't match their passions and beliefs, they won't vote for you no matter how popular you are. The Youth have a different definition for Star Power Qualities than old schoolers. Today, what makes you a Star is not only the good looks, popular and rich, but WHO you are as well. Many of their "friends" are a photo on a website. They pay attention to words far more than any other demographic in the nation. They have the ability to not be distrated by the face and color and gender. That's just a plus. Look at all the hottest stars. Tell me why they are all in some kind of Peace Movement or are doing something that involves Charity?
;p
fos, i hope you get your wish and obama becomes president. i just think it is a bit early to count chickens. i am not particularly enthused about hillary but you kid yourself if you don't think she has alot of support across all demographics along with alot of folks who despise her. i am not particularly enthused by any of these folks at this point. my attitude is show me some results in 07, then we can talk about 08.
Aren't these the same group who support Arnold?Posted by SandyH on January 26, 2007 at 10:30 PM
As a native Califonian, I can tell you that Arnold is NOT a Republican. He's a bonafied RINO. He's not even a Gulianni Closet Democrat. He's a RINO. He's married into the Kennedy Family and believe you me, they have all the influence over him. Any time he tries to be a Republican,the people of the state of California grabs him by the ____ and forces him to behave. California Democrats OWN that state and Arnold knows it.
Posted by gregg on January 26, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Hi, gregg.
I was about to post that link.
I don't know how much more embolden you can get than to grab our troops right off the street and executie them.
I believe this administration hasn't listened to the commanders in the field up till now (even thought the said they did) and just this week said they would no longer. Just how many generals have resigned or been told to resign by Cheney?
Did you catch that story the other day about Rummie still operating out of the Pentegon as an unofficial paid consultant till he "gets his papers in order." They are giving him a staff of eight for as long as it takes.
I guess we can expect that to be about two more years?
Sandy,
this is a graphic representation of the county in Ohio where Kerry "lost"...have a look
show me some results in 07 then we can talk about 08.Posted by gregg on January 26, 2007 at 10:44 PM
I hear ya. Some of us like to get in the game early though. We're junkies. We can't help it.
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fos well as an older politico junkie i have learned to just skin pop until the good shit arrives.
sandy, it is amazing to me that the clowns in the white house are still trying to blame those who were against the war for its outcomes. but they are cowardly liars and thieves...
idiot
Bush says aggressive Iran stance 'makes sense'
By Paul Richter, Times Staff Writer
6:03 PM PST, January 26, 2007
WASHINGTON -- President Bush staunchly defended a new administration policy on Iran that is drawing criticism at home and anxiety abroad, insisting Friday that it is only sensible for U.S. troops to move aggressively against Iranians who endanger them in Iraq.
Bush, appearing with military advisers at the White House, said the policy is not meant to spread U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan into Iran but asserted that U.S. troops have the right to seek out agents from Tehran, which he has accused of supporting Iraqi militants.
fade,
Looks like graphic evidence of voter swiftboating to me. I still can't believe our side didn't fight for those black voters. Reid was saying again today that Kerry did the right thing by stepping aside. What is wrong with these people?
If it was me, I would have bitched until at least the March deadline in Constitution which says the Electors have to meet. You never know what might have surfaced. It was worth a try.
At this point in my life, I believe in causing a scene whenever I can. I never made too many waves when I was young....not being a model or professional athlete. So now that I'm older, I figure life owes me a little attention.
Oh, my. Could that be Bush's problem, too.
I'm cutting out. Everyone have a good weekend. Good night.
I wonder if they would have fought for the voters in a densely Jewish district? There
FCC to Feel Unfamiliar Heat From Democrats
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 26, 2007
As congressional Democrats prepare to give the Federal Communications Commission its toughest scrutiny in years, a rivalry between the powerful agency's two most prominent Republicans is raising questions about its readiness to handle barbed questions and stiff challenges.
The Republican-controlled FCC -- which makes far-reaching decisions on telephone, television, radio, Internet and other services that people use daily -- has sparred infrequently with Republican-controlled congresses. But the Democratic-run 110th Congress is about to heat up the grill, starting with a Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee hearing on Thursday.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 26, 2007 at 10:49 PM
FOS,
Didn't Arnold meet with Enron execs back in its heyday in California? I don't trust him. And I don't think anyone controls him. He's a libetarian married to a Kennedy and a bonified sexual pervert.
He probably broke that leg trying to grab the wrong woman's breast.
We here many Americans suggest that we should not begin to withdraw from Iraq but instead should increase our involvement in conflicts there. Do these people know how little involvement we now have in Iraq? Do they realize that nearly all conflict in that nation happens to be centered around the few locations where American forces remain? Do they realize that in areas outside Baghdad Shia fight Shia and Sunni fight Sunni for control of regions left equally unstable by the initial invasion?
We talk about this as though all of it were good because it was in some way connected to the removal from power of Saddam Hussein. In reality, the removal from power of Saddam Hussein and his top supporters was enough to give Iraq an opportunity for improvement. Most of the damage we see today was not a result of the decision to remove these men from power but is instead the result of a decision to remove all structure from Iraqi society.
Today Iraqis fight one another because they see an opportunity to gain power over others. Everyone wants to be on the winning team and it doesn't matter to them if they are fighting members of their own sect or those of another. This struggle for power is about improving ones personal life.
Iraqis are going to reestablish this order. That's what some say the goal was to begin with, to create a democratic society inside Iraq. Well democracies see conflict, even civil war, our own certainly did. Perhaps the problem exists in how we define democracy. Some appear to believe that it and a Utopian society are one and the same.
Has it not always been a deep-seated belief among the Jews that someday they would returned to “The promised Land”, a promise not given to them as a people from mere governments or a world organization, but instead by their God? And if one were to dismiss this belief as a religious myth then the same dismissal would be required of beliefs held by Islamic peoples as to the destiny of their future.
Jews and Arabs lived there in peace at the time. These were the native inhabitants. Don't confuse them with European immigrants who also happened to be Jewish. They brought an altogether different culture to the region, that's why the conflict began not because they were Jewish.
So Skeet, you'd be okay with Native Americans taking back the land that was taken from them? Their Gods did after all give it to them.
fos well as an older politico junkie i have learned to just skin pop until the good shit arrives.Posted by gregg on January 26, 2007 at 10:54 PM
LOL. You're too cute gregg .
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hi larry...good eye.
goodnight, to you and to all
keep it lit~
peace day tomorrow
The cultural differences you refer to are those that have existed for millenniums; tribal differences between branches of the same people. There was a time when Arabs and Jews co-existed in peace in these lands.
Posted by Skeet_Shooter on January 26, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Wrong Skeet, those cultural differences to which I refer are not related to religion. This is something else all together. The culture of the region was the same whether practiced by Jew or Arab. Europeans practiced a different culture and this was brought into the Palestine Mandate by immigrants. This cultural conflict began the entire conflict, not differences between peoples who had cohabitated there for millenia.
Skeet fails to mention that Iraqi women were free and full members of society. They had more freedom under Saddam than they do now. Not because Saddam was so great, but because under Saddam widespread violence did not force them to stay indoors.
There are also those extremists who have moved into the region since we invaded who were not able to set up shop there under Saddam but are able to in today's chaotic environment. Extremists are extreme, but this is not to say that all Muslims believe as extremists do just because these extremists happen to be Muslim. This would be like saying that we are all like the Ku Klux Klan because we are Christian.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 26, 2007 at 11:19 PM
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Good Night Fade,
I'm gonna go catch Leno/Letterman
I might be back later. Even when I'm on Days Off, I'm still on that 3rd Shift Time Clock. So, I might be back later.
Peace.
:)
Skeet, how's the present strategy worked over the past 50 years?
Let's take a look at Britian's efforts to regain control of the United States. Many of their political and military leaders assumed that it would be simple to force us to obey. They too underestimated the resolve of their opponent and as a result encouraged the revolution. That's right, colonials were not determined to form their own nation until it became obvious that Britian would accept nothing but total control.
In fact, colonials only wanted equal representation and were protesting to get it because it was already the right of every other British citizen in Britian. Had the British government given in to this understandable request, the revolution would not have occured at that time and perhaps not ever.
Let's say that the international community is Britain and the Arab community is America in 1775. Clearly the international community has decided that it is better to demand the acceptance of a culture foreign to the Middle East than it is to understand the culture in place. Here we see a power as far removed as Britain was removed from America making similar demands of people who they believe should be forced to listen.
Since the stituations appear the same is it not reasonable to assume that the same results will be found through a similar approach? We are after all attempting to force our cultural beliefs upon a people who have never known our culture and who still do not see enough of it to adopt it. It is as though we were hoping that they might learn our culture through osmosis.
You don't expect them to learn our ways through osmosis do you Skeet?
You know who could teach them our ways? All those cultural conversion supporters. They could immigrate to the region, if they were concerned enough, and spend a few years educating Muslims. What do you think Skeet, are you up for the challenge?
Well, I'm going to have to leave it at that. Have a nice night everyone. Don't let your imaginations get the better of you.
good morning. i see that turd sally is still around. poor sally was praying that senator johnson would die ( sally the creationist, racist, homophobic chickenhawk is VERY religious and committed to the ALMIGHTY ) but senator johnson is doing quite well thank you so as senator schumer said....there aren't going to be anymore conservative judges....
oh and old sally's predicitions on the libby trial seem to have been a bit off ( SURPRISE!!! ) looks like it will digress into a cheney team versus dummie team smack down followed by no pardons for the old libsteroo....hmmm is that ANOTHER prediction down the tubes???
Posted by gregg on January 27, 2007 at 07:40 AM
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Good Morning Gregg,
Yes the idiot was here all by himself himself for what looks like two hours.
I just don't think I'm gonna engage in that tart anymore.
How are you?
i'm good fos. good morning to you. one does come away from exchanges with sally feeling liked one had just cleaned up a grease trap in the hotel kitchen...no?
its pretty cold here this morning...around 20 but i guess out there where you are this is small potatoes.
it will be 52 and sunny in washinton dc today so there should be a nice turnout for the demonstration.
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
1 hour, 50 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - A congressional rebuke of President Bush's troop buildup in Iraq would undercut American commanders in a way that "emboldens the enemy," Defense Secretary Robert Gates says.
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At his first Pentagon news conference since taking office Dec. 18, Gates was asked whether a congressional resolution criticizing Bush's plan would offer the insurgents new hope.
"It's pretty clear that a resolution that in effect says that the general going out to take command of the arena shouldn't have the resources he thinks he needs to be successful certainly emboldens the enemy and our adversaries," Gates said Friday.
... I am so sick of these bastards accusing Americans who dissent of being either traitors or enablers of terrorists! It's total bullSh.t and we need to shout these assh...s down. This Gates character was supposed to be different but instead he just spouts all the same crap we've been fed since 9-11. American soldiers were kidnapped and killed last week by Iraqis disguised as American Security forces, mortars and rockets are targeting the Green Zone and this Gates fool wants more troops sent to the meat grinder called Iraq! If one more politician or Administration official calls another American a traitor for disagreeing with these idiots they should be removed from office.
We've been lied to and illegally spied on for the last 5 years and enough is enough. Bush may not care about the American Public's opinion, which is evident, but the public cares and I can see the end of the failed Bush Presidency. Impeach these immoral liars as soon as possible.
peace
Good morning, all. I've not read back blog, and don't plan on it, so if this has been posted, here it is again.
Democrats' new leader embraces faith
Harold Ford Jr. is back in national politics. The young former congressman from Tennessee, who came close last fall to becoming the first African- American elected to the Senate from the South since Reconstruction, was named chair of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) Thursday.
i find this interesting. it seems that a few years after the fact state farm insurance in cahoots with the attorney general of mississippi is trying to low ball the pay out to folks who got blasted in the various hurricane disasters down there...let's remember that the governor of mississippi is that sack of republican shit haley barbour--
**In 1998, Fortune Magazine named Barbour Griffith & Rogers the second-most-powerful lobbying firm in America. [2] In 2001, after the inauguration of George W. Bush, Fortune named it the most powerful. [3] The firm has made millions of dollars lobbying on behalf of the tobacco industry.[4]
**During the campaign a controversy arose when Barbour chose to speak at the Blackhawk Rally, a fundraiser for the Blackhawk "council school" in Blackhawk, Mississippi. Such "council schools," also referred to in Mississippi lexicon as "academies," were established by the White Citizens' Council movement in reaction to the demands for racial integration by the American Civil Rights movement. The Blackhawk rally was hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens (abbreviated CCC or CofCC). The lynchpin of Citizens' Councils has traditionally been opposition to racial integration in public schools.
and so it is no surprise that the rip off of those suffering continues:
GULFPORT, Mississippi (CNN) -- A federal judge Friday rejected a proposed settlement agreement involving nearly 35,000 homeowners affected by Hurricane Katrina.
U.S. District Judge L. T. Senter Jr. said the bargain between State Farm Fire & Casualty Co. and the Mississippi attorney general did not establish "a procedure that is fair, just, balanced or reasonable."...
..."It appears to me that a lay person confronted with this claims procedure will likely be unable to participate effectively without the assistance of counsel," he wrote...
...Senter also disagreed with the binding arbitration portion of the settlement. Under the agreement, the arbitrator's decision would be final -- even if it is lower than State Farm's offer -- with no appeal process.
The judge pointed out that under binding arbitration, property owners would give up a variety of rights, including that of due process, and potential legal action...
Posted by Esmeralda on January 27, 2007 at 08:05 AM
You may not like what I have to say. I could care less how "religious" Ford may or may not be. It's all the religious posturing that is causing so many problems all over the world today. If the worlds problems are looked at realistically instead of blaming some "god" for the mess we are in the sooner we can make some real progress in stabilising the world. It's the people who wear their irrational "beliefs" on their sleeves that are causing the most problems whether you agree or not! The christain right is just as radical as the muslim radicals, they both want their female population muzzled, pregnant and locked in their homes to keep them from exercising their rights as fellow human beings. They both "believe" that their view is the only true view despite how obvios it is that they are wrong.
sorry..peace
wldj, yes gates was nice as a little church mouse when going for confirmation and now turns into a right wing nut accusing honest citizens of being enemy collaborators...but then the senate in its comity decided to overlook his little irancontra dance didn't they?
esmeralda, i find the bible thumping quite offensive. no matter which public figure succombs to its temptation....clinton, bush, obama, delay, ford, brownback....they should all keep it at home and in their place of worship and focus on the people's bizznezz which is secular in nature....ya know roads, wars, health care, schools, equal rights....all these things exist outside the supernatural world...
gregg,
Yep. It's freezing out side, but toasty in here.
I still have not adjusted the heating. I have it set on a timer, but I think I have it up too high. (My Landlord Probally Hates Me) because I don't know how to adjust it based on the temp outside. It's not my fault. I'm sick of setting it everytime it get's in the 30's. Reset when it hits the teens. I'm just gonna leave it at 75.
;p
Note To Presidential Contenders! (We Are NOT For Sale)
FOS Latest Release!
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IMO only it seems most people claim belief in christainty so they won't be deminized by their friends and neighbors. Organized religions use fear to keep the flock in line because they can't prove any of their tenents and beliefs. Believe or burn is one of their favorites and I find it pathetic.
fos, your home! good for you. yeah go with the nice temperature...you deserve it.
esmeralda, sorry i did not proceed my usual rant with a good morning and i hope your team is doing better than can be expected. my manners need coffee to drive them.
Morning all,
I swear, if bush says "i'm the decider" one more time, I am going to scream.
These people have to be yelled and beaten down. That gates asshole is just a raygun retread deeply involved in the iran/contra scandal.
Impeach (indict), convict and sentence the entire Executive Branch for treason, crimes against humanity, and lying. Then go after their biggest funders and enablers, plus their expert "pundits."
And while we are at it slap in jail all the supreme court justices that appointed all these assholes in 2000.
Furthermore slap all election cheats in florida and ohio to prison for life.
Gregg,
It's so toasty in here, I think I'll make myself a frozen smoothie. Wisconsin doesn't have a Jamba Juice. God I miss that place. I would get a Razzmataz with a Femme Boost. I've been trying to recreate it using Dole Mixed Berries and Cranberry juice, but it aint the same. (sigh)
LOL
gregg I am just so tired of politicians using their personal belifs in the unknown to promote themselves for political gain. It's no ones business what other people believe or reject yet these politicans use it to divide our country. Supposedly we not only have freedom of religion but freedom from religion, at least that seems to be the original intent. People like Ford, Bush and others too many to list want to change the Constitution to reflect their narrow, divisive and intolerant views as national policy. Hypocrits who call themselves pro-life scream for the blood of the living through war and death peneltys and then claim moral supremecy in the abortion debate. Bush has claimed publicly that "god" works through him, well not for nothing but if this is "gods" voice I'm glad I don't believe because this vioce has been wrong from the beginning.
wldj,
These people can't think for themselves and they are total hypocrites. The evangelicals have the highest divorce rate in the country. And have you seen the long list of repug pedophiles?
In the meantime they pass legislation that screws the little guy. These people are evil to the bone.
Posted by wldj on January 27, 2007 at 08:25 AM
I think most of us here in America really are Christians. We all believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Except for Mormons which is why we don't consider them Christians) That's about the only thing we agree on because after that, it's completly different. We have all interpreted the Message of Christ in totally different ways.
john, i guess you got the kona beans this morning? way to take us to an excellent level of outrage on this demonstration morning...
speaking of outrage could the msm be any more a bunch of pimp shits than i imagined? i guess so. looking at this headline from msnbc:
"Bush’s climate remarks weighed for shift
Analysts debate significance of State of the Union reference to warming"
...i am struck by two things:
1. they are reading slight alterations in what the dummie says the same way they used to read who was in what position on the reviewing stand during the soviet union's may day parade to determine who was in or out with the party leaders and...
2. so what if bush makes a tiny shift in what he says about global warming, he has refused to acknowledge this life threatening issue for the past six years, encouraging pollution and putting future generations in more jeapordy than they need to be in. for these crimes alone he should be in chains.
Bush has claimed publicly that "god" works through him, well not for nothing but if this is "gods" voice I'm glad I don't believe because this vioce has been wrong from the beginning.
Posted by wldj on January 27, 2007 at 08:34 AM
Could it be the same voice these wingnuts in the middle east are hearing? These people are delusional and need to be locked up.
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 27, 2007 at 08:34 AM
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'Not everyone who says "Lord Lord" will enter the Kingdom'
'They have a FORM of Godliness, but deny the Pwoer there of....'
'These are Clouds without rain'.....
'They have a name that liveth and are dead'.......
These Rabid Right Wing Evangelical Republicans are in the Bible alright, just not in the role they think they are in.
fos, razzmataz? i googled it and it is some sort of cordial. this drink you used to get was in s. california?
gregg,
The MSM sucks and needs to be slapped down. Unfortunately the FCC is being run by a repug extremist appointed by asshole bush. It appears that every asshole he appoints is a total loser who works against the American people. I remember President Kennedy. When he took office, he appointed the most qualified people to run the Government.
The damage done to our Government by these clowns may never be corrected.
fos, razzmataz? i googled it and it is some sort of cordial. this drink you used to get was in s. california?Posted by gregg on January 27, 2007 at 08:43 AM
It's a flavor of one of the smoothies they have.
YUMMY!
and a word from christie "the air is so clean you can pee right in the stream at the world trade attack site" whiteman on the dummie's big shift in position:
"Every word is crafted in that speech and every word has meaning behind it," said Christine Todd Whitman, Bush's former Environmental Protection Agency director. "So the fact that he mentioned climate change in that context, that was a step forward, that was a change."
if we continue with such steps foward we will all be picking scorpians out of our watercress sandwiches while bush discovers electricity...let's put both bush and cheney and chrissy in chains....
By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jan 26, 8:58 PM ET
WASHINGTON - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record)'s visit to Iraq is a clear sign the newly empowered Democratic Congress is not going to abide by the notion that foreign policy is the sole province of the White House.
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While President Bush met with military leaders in the Oval Office Friday, she and anti-war Rep. Jack Murtha turned up in Baghdad.
The timing of the trip, from the Bush administration's point of view, couldn't have been worse. It came just days after the president asked Congress in his State of the Union address to give his revised Iraq strategy a chance to work.
It also provided for dueling photo ops: Bush at the White House with his commanders and Pelosi and her congressional delegation in the heavily fortified Green Zone with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. The lawmakers also visited U.S. troops on what they billed as a fact-finding mission and one to "thank our troops."
While the administration did not take issue with the visit by Pelosi and Murtha, Bush on Friday had a message for congressional opponents who want to stop his plan to increase U.S. troop strength in Iraq. "I'm the decision-maker" on the war effort, he said.
An increasingly assertive Congress is signaling that it, too, wants a part in those decisions.
...I just hope Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Murtha make it home safely so they can get to work on investigating and then impeaching ALL of the Bush Misadministration. Whether Bush calls himself The Decider or the latest, The Decision-Maker is irrevelent since he has not made any correct or good decisions ever! The Decision-Maker has started an illegal war, illegally tortured civilians, illegally wiretapped American citizens and worst of all given himself and his staff retroactive immunity from the War Crimes Act. A more apt title would be The Wrong Decision-Maker.
fos, i could get with one of those frosties. here is what i found on razzmataz:
Could it be the same voice these wingnuts in the middle east are hearing? These people are delusional and need to be locked up.Posted by Johnedwrd on January 27, 2007 at 08:37 AM
I don't care how much George Bush says that God speaks/works through him. If his actions are contrary to the Message of Jesus Christ, he is a heritic and a false prophet. I am so glad my Daddy made us all learn the Bible for ourselves and not just rely on someone else to teach us because there are so many things that I'm hearing from the Republican Christians that is in stark contradiction to the Message of Jesus Christ (Words In Red For Those Who Don't Know What The Msg. of Christ means) Just because they call themselves Christian does not mean that they are following Christ. You cannot cherry pick the Bible and use the Old Testament to enact Foreign Policy and call yourself following Christ.
gregg,
Tsk Tsk,
Naughty Naughty Now.
;p
I figured out why my recipie wasn't working. I now know what's in my favorite smoothie.
The christain right is just as radical as the muslim radicals, they both want their female population muzzled, pregnant and locked in their homes to keep them from exercising their rights as fellow human beings. They both "believe" that their view is the only true view despite how obvios it is that they are wrong.*********
Posted by wldj on January 27, 2007 at 08:19 AM
You are so right. These creeps believe that a woman must be subservient to man and only speak when spoken to.
I tuned into my local religious station the other day to see what bullcrap they were spreading that day. This evangelical sack of puss janet parschall should be locked up. she wants to stay in Iraq and kick muslim butt because bush is running this country. She thinks bush is God's gift to the planet. She is a total loser and I can't stand the bitch. She was complaining about the fact the bush didn't mention in his SOU message family values, the marriage amendment, abortion and all the other religious wedge issues they are clubbing us with. She is probably behind the "no swearing" amendment. I am glad they are bringing back the Fairness Doctrine.
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 27, 2007 at 08:37 AM
Religious beliefs is a subject that raises my blood pressure especially by the the far right who want to control not just women's rights but all American's rights. I wouldn't have a problem with these people if they would actually practice their beliefs but that is apparently too much to ask of these "believers". These moral christains in our government don't even want to raise the minimum wage for our neediest workers unless they can give their corporate sponsors another tax break! If people want to belive and participate in organised religion it's fine with me as long as they leave me the hell alone instead of claiming I'm going to hell. I don't care who the hell anyone sleeps with as long as no one is getting hurt and they don't try to include me in their activities. You can't legislate love any more than you can legislate morality so the religious right should mind their own business and lead by example instead of leading with hypocrisy.
FOS.
Right on, The words of Christ are in red in my New Testament. These pseudo-christians ignore these words and preach the superstition from the old testament. That explains why senator hatch from Utah always votes against issues that are against Christ's teachings. The Mormons have their own "bible" which is probably the old testament.
These pseudo-christians vote against every issue that helps the poor and the oppressed.
Sorry, hatch always votes against the little guy and the poor.
You can't legislate love any more than you can legislate morality so the religious right should mind their own business and lead by example instead of leading with hypocrisy.Posted by wldj on January 27, 2007 at 08:59 AM
Exactly. Jesus had nothing to do with Politics. When he said "Let your light so shine before men that they see your good works and glorify God in Heaven," That means,
YOUR light.Not legislated Light.
Example:
If I'm driving in the SNOW home from work and I see a little old lady trying to walk down the street with snow hurling all around her. I stop and ask if she needs assistance. I take her to her destination and she's happy. She tries to give me a few dollars and I say "No No No" it's cool. She smiles and says "God Bless you child"
That's giving God the Glory.
NOT This,
Standing next to the casket of a fallen US Soldier chanting
" God hates the Faggots and Baby Killers. He has judged you and your son is dead! Hallelujah!"
God does NOT get the Glory.
The Mormons have their own "bible" which is probably the old testament.
No. The Mormons do not use the Old Testament. They use a book called
"The Book of Mormon" (Another Made Up Testement of Jesus Christ)
Look at it and you will instantly see that it contradicts the very Message of Jesus Christ. To say that the Book of Mormon is of Christ, is to say that he has split personalities and that he is a racist.
I loved the way Senator Ted Kennedy laid it on the line this week. He as much called the repugs that voted against the minimum wage a bunch of greedy bastards. He pointed out the 90 amendments they wanted to tag onto the bill. One was a $240 Million tax break for big business, another was a $36 Million tax break for small business. I have never heard Ted raise his voice like he did. Some of the others need to do the same thing and shame these people and shout them down.
These people ARE EVIL, GREEDY bastards.
I'm just an average working class American without health insurance trying to get by without getting hurt. I work in construction so it's a valid worry in my case. I don't tell any one how to live or how to think and just want my "beliefs" to be accepted not condemned. I love being outdoors and try my best to conserve and protect the natural environment I love and wish everyone would feel and do the same. I'm not anti-hunting, although I don't hunt, I fish, but very few hunters I know use automatic hand guns to hunt with so I am in favor of more restrictive hand gun laws. This does not make me un-American. I don't belong to any organised religion and this also does not make me un-American. Our current leadership doesn't care about any of those things unless it makes them obscene amounts of money. Unless I win the lottery I am probably going to have to work until the day I die just to get by and that IS Un-American!
peace
FOS,
I wouldn't even want to look or touch their cruddy book. I think they acknowledge Christ but they ignore him.
The Book Of Mormon
21 And he had caused the acursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and bdelightsome, that they might not be centicing unto my people the Lord God did cause a dskin of eblackness to come upon them.
The Words of Jesus Christ
"Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light" (Matt. 11:28-30).
fos, sorry i didn't realize the drinks i looked up would be highlighted in the thing i posted. it does seem that the liquor razzmataz is going down a whole different road than the health drink! didn't mean to be offensive.