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Monday Morning Open Thread

Posted by on January 22, 2007 at 09:52 AM

Hope everyone saw the Bears win on Sunday! This is an open thread, talk amongst yourselves...

[Update by Tracy]: I knew Christy was going to hijack the open thread for sports stuff, and ignore the truly important news of the week, which is that Tuesday is a big day! Huge! One we've been waiting all year for! Something way better than the SOTU - Oscar nominations will be announced tomorrow morning bright and early! Discuss...

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HillWilliam on January 22, 2007 at 09:59 AM

Good morning again

Oh yeah, Super Bowl/Soul Bowl in awesome Miami!!!

Bears and Colts!

Still dancing

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J on January 22, 2007 at 10:02 AM

Hope your birthday was fun, Christy and Tracy.

Thanks for cleaning the troll droppings, too. What a nice clean blog ! :)


Morning all.

sorry to say I am not a football fan, was enough for me that my UCONN ladies played in Madison Sq. Garden and beat St. John's!

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 10:05 AM

Good mornin Dems. Looking forward to seeing Fitz in action. How intent is he? What sleezy tricks do the Repugs have in their ammo box?

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salutetheDems on January 22, 2007 at 10:12 AM

Good morning, everyone.

Emerging Grievances Within Party Likely to Test Pelosi

Beneath the resounding Democratic victories of the past two weeks, tensions have been growing between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and many new committee chairmen and other members over her aggressive management style and her approach to the war, according to lawmakers and advisers.

Powerful committee chairmen have bridled at the California Democrat's decision to impose six-year term limits on them. Liberal Democrats say she is being too cautious in confronting President Bush on the war in Iraq. Rank-and-file Democrats say she erred in denying Republicans more say in the early legislation, making the speaker appear autocratic.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 10:14 AM

Good morning everyone! I was just watching Hilary's campaign chairman on the Today Show. I was already disappointed by her announcement this weekend, listening to that used car salesman surely didn't help.

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Kristen on January 22, 2007 at 10:16 AM

Lobbyists find new Congress is open for business

Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi terrified the oil industry late last year when she outlined her priorities for the new Democratic majorities in Congress. Within the first 100 hours, she promised, they would "roll back the multibillion-dollar subsidies for Big Oil."

Last week, however, when Pelosi (D-San Francisco) won House approval of the much-touted bill socking it to the oil companies, it turned out to be considerably less drastic than many in the industry originally feared. Out of an estimated $32 billion in subsidies and tax breaks that the oil companies are scheduled to receive over the next five years, the final House bill cut $5.5 billion.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 10:17 AM

Iran Plans to Conduct Missile War Games

Iran plans three days of military maneuvers, including short-range missile tests, beginning Sunday - its first since the U.N. Security Council imposed sanctions against it in late December, state-run television said.

"The elite Revolutionary Guards plans to begin a three-day missile maneuver on Sunday near Garmsar city,"
said the broadcast. The city is located in northern Iran on the edge of Kavir desert, about 60 miles southeast of Tehran.
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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 10:19 AM

Carter, Clinton Seek To Bring Together Moderate Baptists

Former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are leading an effort to forge dozens of small and medium-size, black and white Baptist organizations into a robust coalition that would serve as a counterweight to the conservative Southern Baptist Convention.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 10:26 AM

IF YOU LIVE IN FLORIDA GO HERE AND SIGN THIS PETITION SO WE CAN GET A PRO-CHOICE LICENSE PLATE.

http://www.ppaction.org/ct/F11oY6910SMt/

"GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK".

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GOTV on January 22, 2007 at 11:40 AM

Attributes and Issues

On a personal level, majorities now say Bush is not a strong leader (once his claim to fame), 56 percent say he can't be trusted in a crisis (another onetime mainstay), most don't see him as honest, two-thirds don't think he understands their problems and nearly as many don't think he listens to others' views. Fifty-five percent say he has not made the country more secure, his focus since 9/11.


Bush's Personal Attributes
Today Career High Today Career High
Is a strong leader 45 % 75 %
Has made the country safer 44 65
Can be trusted in a crisis 42 65
Is honest and trustworthy 40 71
Listens to different viewpoints 36 49
Understands your problems 32 61

...40% of Americans think Pres. Bush is honest and only 32% thinks he understands our problems! It's about time people are waking up to all the lies and corruption of the Bush Administration. If ever there was a President who deserves to be impeached more than Bush I'd like to know who it was,it certainly wasn't Bill Clinton.

Since 9-11 Bush has broken Federal and International Laws non-stop. The Libby trial and the releasing of selected classified material which started it, is small stuff compared to intentionally torturing people and conducting warrantless searches. Abu Grahib and Guantanamo Bay are terrible blacks marks on American History and the Bush Administration should be ashamed of what they have done to America's standing in the world.

If the only way to stop Bush from screwing up our country any more is impeachment I say "Bring it on!".

peace

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wldj on January 22, 2007 at 12:07 PM

I wasn't able to get tickets but am still basking in the glow that Gore brings to Idaho today...

Al Gore returns to Idaho today with a different message, and he's not holding back. His widely talked-about slide show presentation is the heart of the 2006 documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" and is making waves around the world.

Gore's message must be resonating. More than 10,000 people snapped up every available seat in Boise State's Taco Bell Arena for tonight's talk about global warming, the keynote address for the Frank Church Institute's annual conference.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/273/story/68387.html

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 12:32 PM

Good Morning, ALL!

Sen. John Warner (R-VA) will introduce a resolution today “making clear that he does not support the President on increasing the troop levels in Iraq” and calling escalation “a mistake,” CNN’s Dana Bash reports. Warner’s resolution will be cosponsored by Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Ben Nelson (D-NE).

BREAKING: Sen. John Warner To Introduce Resolution Opposing Iraq Escalation

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DPD on January 22, 2007 at 12:48 PM

Bill Millers thoughts on the State of the Union

As we prepare for President Bush to make the State of the Union address we must take time to consider some of the topics he will most likely address.
The first and most important topic should be the “surge” in troops to Iraq. Our Democratic leaders need to emphasize that this increase will only bring our troop levels back to where they were TWO YEARS ago. It was not a winning plan then, and it still is not today. Increased troop levels will only help to increase the hatred for our country and our troops.
The second issue is health care. As one of the forty million plus without health insurance, I can tell you, not all the tax incentives in the world will help if one cannot afford the insurance in the first place. Our congress needs to work on a comprehensive health plan that is affordable to all. Many of the uninsured are hard working self-employed small business owners and the millions who no longer have insurance through their employment. However, when it comes to paying to keep oil in the furnace, or food on the table we have to cut somewhere. For me personally my medical insurance bill was the second largest cost in my household. With the rising cost of energy over the last few years, something had to be cut. My choices were to cut out my insurance or lose my home, or not be able to heat it during winter months. As I said, “A TAX INCENTIVE DOES NOT HELP IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.” If the majority of industrialized nations in the world can provide healthcare for their citizens, why can’t the greatest country in history do so?
On oil independence, it is time that we put forth some real legislation demanding that the auto industry change mileage standards. Many of us have been reading and hearing about alternative engines and fuels for decades. We have to ask the hard question, why is advancement in these fields so slow?
Our Democratic leaders need to address the issues with a sincere conviction to help the millions of hard working American citizens in the middle class. As I speak with many people, we all seem to have one thing in common. We are all getting an ever-sinking feeling. Likewise, most do not believe that our congress will find the answers. I am asking our Democratic leaders to prove them wrong.

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BillMiller07 on January 22, 2007 at 12:48 PM

The chief executives of 10 major corporations, on the eve of the State of the Union address, urged President Bush on Monday to support mandatory reductions in climate-changing pollution and establish reductions targets.
Full Story:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/22/ceos.climate.ap/index.html

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DemocratKickingAss on January 22, 2007 at 12:50 PM

Bomb attacks kill 100 in Iraq
At least 100 people die in attacks on Baghdad and Baquba in one of Iraq's bloodiest days this year. Full Story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6286459.stm

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DemocratKickingAss on January 22, 2007 at 12:53 PM

upstate new york congressman to get in rush's shit:

Rep. believes Democratic media reform bill may prevent possible 'fascist' takeover of US media

Miriam Raftery
Published: Sunday January 21, 2007

Rep. Hinchey: New bill would break up media monopolies and restore fairness doctrine

Warns media reform critical to prevent 'end of democratic republic'

Concerns about monopolies and fears of a possible "fascist" takeover of the US media have prompted a Democratic congressman to push to restore the Fairness Doctrine, RAW STORY has learned.

"Media reform is the most important issue confronting our democratic republic and the people of our country," Representative Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) said at the Free Press National Media Reform Conference held in Memphis, Tennessee last weekend. "This is a critical moment in history that may determine the future of our country…maybe forever."

Hinchey told RAW STORY he plans to reintroduce the Media Ownership Reform Act (MORA) that would break up media monopolies and restore the Fairness Doctrine, which was eliminated by the Federal Communications Commission under the Reagan administration.

“If Rush shoots his mouth off, he must give equal access to our side,” Hinchey said. “The American public will begin to get both sides or all sides of an issue. That is basic – fundamental to a democracy.”

time has come today

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gregg on January 22, 2007 at 01:16 PM

I see Bush's Gestapo is still active:

BETHLEHEM, Pa. - An elderly man who wrote in a letter to the editor about Saddam Hussein's execution that "they hanged the wrong man" got a visit from Secret Service agents concerned he was threatening President Bush.

The letter by Dan Tilli, 81, was published in Monday's edition of The Express-Times of Easton, Pa. It ended with the line, "I still believe they hanged the wrong man."

Tilli said the statement was not a threat. "I didn't say who — I could've meant (Osama) bin Laden," he said Friday.

Two Secret Service agents questioned Tilli at his Bethlehem apartment Thursday, briefly searching the place and taking pictures of him, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070121/ap_on_re_us/letter_writer_threat

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 01:19 PM

The educational system is in dis-array. The university system is financially out of reach for most Americans. A large percent of the population is without health care. ER's are closing down all over the country. The health care system is a failure. The rich get richer, and the middle and lower classes can't afford to own their own homes. You can't trust politicians, or the police. There is an overwhelming sense of hopelessness in the population; we all feel like we are living on the edge. But lets feed Iraq 1 trillion dollars instead of fixing our infrastructure, our healthcare and educational system. Let's let the president tread all over the constitution and steal our civil rights. Cower in your homes; like the scared little children you are, and maybe daddy bush will cuddle with you, and tell you everything will be all right. But for me, I want America to be great again, I want the rest of the world to look to America as a model of a nation of love and understanding for it's citizens and rest of the world. Not as the cultural elitist it has become.
It's time for a change, we need to show the president that we do not stand behind him, that he is not our dictator, that we put him in office (actually he stole the office) and we can take him out if we choose too. So I'm suggesting a protest; that on February 20th the day after we celebrate all the great presidents, for one hour, 4p.m. eastern time, we all lay down in the streets and "die" in protest to what this president is doing to our civil liberties, and to our great country.

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xyoungblood on January 22, 2007 at 01:36 PM

I hear Governor Dean will be on the Bill Press show tomorrow, but I don't see anything at the site.

http://www.billpressshow.com/

Also hear he was on Stephanie Miller recently.

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sunny on January 22, 2007 at 02:08 PM

Posted by sunny on January 22, 2007 at 02:08 PM

It wouldn't surprise me, he was on Ed Shultz last week. For the audio clip scroll down to 1-19-07.

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DPD on January 22, 2007 at 02:15 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 01:06 PM

Here's a better way to reach Speaker Pelosi with your questions:


If you are a resident of the 8th district in CA, call 202-225-4965,

If you are not, email: americanvoices@mail.house.gov

Nancy doesn't blog here.

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 02:20 PM


"Today--on the 34th anniversary of Roe v Wade--I have a request. Instead of writing about the legislation, the rhetoric, or the politics surrounding reproductive rights and justice, let's keep it simple. Let's just trust women.

Seems easy enough, I know. But given that over 30 years after Roe women are still fighting the same battles, maybe we need a remedial course.


Trust women to know what's best for themselves and their families

It's time to put to bed the bullshit stereotypes of women having abortions out of "convenience" or selfishness.


While waxing political about Roe is important, let's not forget that today is about women's lives--and no one is more of an expert in that than women themselves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica-valenti/a-roe-resolution-_b_39252.html

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 02:42 PM

Test

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goodfoe on January 22, 2007 at 03:09 PM

{{Pam}}

I was listening to an NPR piece on the way back to work from lunch. What is it about right-wingers, I wonder, that they WILL NOT listen to anything like fact. If they have "facts", it's an absolutely safe bet they made them up.

I don't even want to know what kind of acid someone has to be on to believe that they can be simultaneously pro-war, pro-death-penalty, and still call themselves "pro-life". The terms are even at face-value mutually exclusive; at best, philosophically irreconcilable.

No sense trying to make sense of what crazy people do (where've I heard that before, heh)

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HillWilliam on January 22, 2007 at 03:12 PM

Good Afternoon Dem's....a good day to carry the fight forward....

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goodfoe on January 22, 2007 at 03:13 PM
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PaulSHooson on January 22, 2007 at 03:14 PM

Hill William...did you close on your new place yet?

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goodfoe on January 22, 2007 at 03:15 PM

Senetor Robert C Bird holding forth on the floor of the Senate for the last 30 mins on the line item veto...C-span2...a real treat

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salutetheDems on January 22, 2007 at 03:34 PM

The disappointment of seeing the Saints' impossible dream season was followed up by a real kick in the pants when my Pats ran out of steam and blew an 18-point lead to the Colts.

I was inconsolable until I saw the news that Bill Richardson announced this morning.

Please ignore the media. There are more than two candidates in the race this year.

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BR08 on January 22, 2007 at 03:37 PM

Escalation Forces Bush to Resort to Recruiting Convicts

Brace yourself. Bush's Iraq escalation, euphemized as "surge," sends just over 20,000 more troops into that bottomless pit, and flirts with an invasion of Iran. But because Iraq has depleted our armed forces -- and recruitment levels plummet as our population wises up -- Bush's plan requires still more: the entire Army active-duty force must swell to 547,000 over the next five years (an increase of 39,000), and the Marine Corps grow by 23,000 (to 202,000).

Constitutionally, Congress must approve or disapprove the expansion -- but one never knows whether this particular executive branch recognizes that the legislative (or judicial) branches exist.

Meanwhile, Bush simply changes the rules to suit his mad plans, raising the enlistment age to 42, and removing the cumulative limit -- 24 months active duty in any five-year period -- for National Guard Reserve units.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 03:53 PM

Posted by BR08 on January 22, 2007 at 03:37 PM

Absolutely. The MSM trying to create a feeding frenzy over one candidate or another, or pit two candidates against each other is just idiotic and a complete waste of time. I'm ignoring all of it...cept for the smears of the swiftboaters and their ilk, they must be responded to.

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 03:55 PM

US and EU making progress on WTO talks: official

US and European trade negotiators are making progress on a deal that could unblock troubled global trade talks, a US official said.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 04:01 PM

Big names in US journalism launch Politico web site

Several big names in US journalism are part of a new Internet-focused news organization being launched that will focus exclusively on politics as the 2008 elections approach.


The new venture formed by Allbritton Communications has a newspaper, The Politico, and a website, Politico.com, that have become the hot place to be for political reporters.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 04:03 PM

CHRIS WALLACE: "Sen. Biden, I know this is not your intent, but in fact, wouldn't your resolution send a message that would embolden our enemies and discourage our troops in the field?"

BIDEN: "Absolutely not. And not only does Carl Levin and Joe Biden and Senator Hagel and Senator Snowe but the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Iraqi Study Group, every single person out there that is of any consequence thinks, knows the Vice President doesn't know what he's talking about. I can't be more blunt than that. He is yet to be right one single time on Iraq. Name me one single time he's been correct. It's about time we stop listening to that ideological rhetoric and Bin Laden and the rest. Bin Laden isn't the issue here, but Bin Laden will become the issue. The issue is there's a civil war, Chris…"

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 04:03 PM

Your MasterCard or Your Life

Americans are increasingly living in a house of cards - credit cards

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 04:04 PM

So I have to live in the 8th District of California before she'll actually listen to me, that will never happen.

NOOOO, I gave you the other email address for her, at the american voices, which is the contact for her as Speaker of the House position.


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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 04:10 PM

Pentagon Linked to Illegal Military Sales to Iran
Military Surplus Parts Illegally Find Their Way to Iran, US Officials Say
By Sharon Theimer
The Associated Press

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012207M.shtml

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DemocratKickingAss on January 22, 2007 at 04:11 PM

Good evening fellow Democrats.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 22, 2007 at 04:13 PM

Russia sees threat from US plan for missiles in eastern Europe

A top Russian general warned that a missile defense system that the United States wants to deploy in eastern Europe would pose a "clear threat" to his country.

The United States confirmed it would soon begin formal talks on deploying the system in the Czech Republic and Poland, aimed at warding off rocket attacks from North Korea or Iran

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 04:14 PM

Posted by Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 10:26 AM

"Carter, Clinton Seek To Bring Together Moderate Baptists

Former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are leading an effort to forge dozens of small and medium size, black and white Baptists organizations into a robust coalition that would serve as a counterweight to the conservative Southern Baptist Convention."

I say thank goodness that someone is considering something like this, as I find ultra-conservative religions to be very negative. And, it is a shame that when most people of the other 4 regions think of the south, they think about the south's ultra-conservative Baptist religion, and all the negative things that that implys, such as being against gay marriage (or civil unions too, for that matter), a woman's right to choose, believing that the man is the head of (superior) the woman and the woman has to do everything that he says, they are against legal foriegners (those that are here legally), against embrionic stem research, against a person's right to choose doctor assisted suicide, against much of the sexuality of today, beliving in the white man's dominance of the black man (and all minorities), have a strong desire to turn back the clock to at least the 1950s into the past (some may even want to go back further than that), believes that their religion is the only true one, believes in the literal biblical version of hell (and takes the bible totally literally, except the passages about helping the poor, being forgiving, etc.), and are just against almost anykind of progress.

I sure hope that with the help of some of the younger generations (starting with the one under-30 right now), that the south will one day realize that it is the most backward region of the U.S. and try to change and come up to the 21st century.

They should try to be more like Clinton, Carter, and John Edwards.

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LavoniaW on January 22, 2007 at 04:21 PM

Posted by LavoniaW on January 22, 2007 at 04:21 PM

Well said!

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 22, 2007 at 04:34 PM
So I have to live in the 8th District of California before she'll actually listen to me, that will never happen.

NOOOO, I gave you the other email address for her, at the american voices, which is the contact for her as Speaker of the House position.

Posted by PamB on January 22, 2007 at 04:10 PM

Pam, give it up. You should realize by now IWV's only purpose here is to bitch and moan about how his special interest is being ignored. And no matter how much attention is focused upon his special interest, and no matter how much is done FOR that special interest, it will never be enough for IWV.

Wow, sounds like a LOT of people here.

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GregL on January 22, 2007 at 04:40 PM

I am getting A LOT of hate mail lately. 20% of the population still support bush and they are all finding ME. but where? I don't lurk around right wing blogs trying to get people stirred up. they have found me here or somewhere similiar. and why? WHY don't they try to hang out with people that feel like they do? I guess it's easier to find and harrass me than find another uptight right wing fanatic. one woman says I sound "stupid, uncouth and illiterate" do you think it was that rant a few days ago about how I'd like to puke all over Bush? was that it?

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Sadie on January 22, 2007 at 04:49 PM

LavoniaW, you and FOS have some very broad brushes when it comes to painting the "South". Granted there are many (a small majority) in the South who could use some reoreintation please remember that there are many (a large minority) who are progressive and in the mainstream. We are trying to turn the proportions around here so please offer some support and encouragement rather than universal condemnation. Thank you for your consideration.

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salutetheDems on January 22, 2007 at 04:49 PM

Posted by Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 04:14 PM

And now the $64 question; why do you need a missile defense system in Poland to stop attackes from N. Korea and Iran?

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 22, 2007 at 04:51 PM

Posted by LavoniaW January 22, 2007 at 4:21.... I don't think you know anything about the South...What are "the other four regions of the country"...not everyone in the south is a member of the Southern Bapitist Convention.....Your broad strokes of painting everyone in the South as some sort of feeble minded, narrow minded racist are highly offensive to me...you need to go take the "mirror test".....and see who the bigot really is......

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goodfoe on January 22, 2007 at 04:52 PM

ha! I enjoyed the rant. but even if I did vomit on him, he would never get the point that HE MAKES AMERICANS SICK WITH HIS VIOLENCE! he only sees what he wants to see. he doesn't even realize or care that people like me exist.

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Sadie on January 22, 2007 at 04:52 PM

one writer suggests thast I have no respect for the "office" of the president. correct. I don't automatically respect the "office". and she refers to bush as "OUR PRESIDENT". no gaian. he is not my president.

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Sadie on January 22, 2007 at 04:54 PM

Sadie,

Chalk them all up to Sour Grape, Sore Loser Repugs! Gawd, it galls them that Dems are now in control! So they take it out on you.

anonymously, of course. these types do not have the guts to face someone and spit out their hatred! You want to listen to stupid, illiterate, uncouth, just tune into C-Span Washington Journal mornings, and listen to the calls that come in on the Republican line! Most of them with Southern or Texan accents. All of them dumber than dirt. Uninformed, unintelligent, naive, easily swayed, closed minds!

They would rather see another 3000 of our boys Dead, than admit they made a mistake voting for Bush!

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 04:56 PM

goodfoe, I guess us southern folks who don't fit the mold that PamB, LavoniaW and FOS are casting us in will just have to make a tent for ourselves. Or, like ducks, let their crap run off.

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salutetheDems on January 22, 2007 at 05:00 PM

so why are these people contacting me now? I've had the art work and the website for over 4 years. and I took down some of the more obnoxious stuff.is it because they know their ruler's days in our white house are numbered? is it because they are in a panic and attacking anyone or anything that threatens to shatter their little bush bubble? I mean seriously folks....how many of you have gone to some right wing blog and tried to disturb the peace? it seems we have a lot of trolls here lately. WHY IS THAT? that is a whole new topic. when I go online, I am looking for peole who have similiar viewpoints. are they all angry and afraid now like many of us have been for 4 years of war?
PAM B-WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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Sadie on January 22, 2007 at 05:01 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 04:50 PM

Not all of us are so quick to dismiss your cause. I've noticed that civilians are usually skewed in their priorities and don't understand the military life or lifestyle. Being former military myself, I understand your plight though I must admit, I never saw combat. Throwing a few tax breaks to college kids is a far easier than the major overhauling needed at the VA and DOD. I have confidence in Speaker Pelosi and I'm quite sure that the needs of all of this great nation's veterans will be addressed well before this historic congress concludes. Please use every contact method you can for Speaker Pelosi and I'll be more than happy to sign any online petition you point me to.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 22, 2007 at 05:03 PM

Posted by PamB on January 22, 2007 at 04:56 PM


Don't forget 1/2 million Iraqis dead. mostly women and children. 34,000 just this year. but these people who have been contacting me probably aren't the type to worry over a little Muslim blood.

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Sadie on January 22, 2007 at 05:04 PM


Your party, which failed to read the intellegence reports about Iraq because their lazy is now choosing to use Veterans as part of an acceptance speech

uHHHH, which intelligence report about Iraq would you be talking about????? Maybe the one Bush said had WMDS? (LIE), Maybe the one that said there was an alQaeda connection?(LIE), maybe the one that said they had something to do with 9/11? (LIE).

You are a very, very uninformed, person, coming in here and making yourself look dumb.

Listen! Pelosi and the Dems have been in office exactly 100 hours! WTF do you want? Everybody to drop everything and concentrate just on one issue? Your issue? The Democrats will get around to helping the Veterans far more than they have been!

I can only assume you were this Vehement and angy and calling and blasting all the Republicans while they were in the majority! Or is it just Democrats you don't like?

Personally, you turn me off on veterans and their needs, with the way you come in here and rant and rave. Maybe some of us would give some support, if you shut your mouth and made your case in a civil way! We all have relatives or friends, or neighbors who have had to hit Iraq! Or who are Veterans from other eras! If you want to help, then get positive, instead of negative!

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 05:06 PM

I have no response to them. we are not speaking the same language. we are not even on the same planet. I have no reply for them. nothing.

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Sadie on January 22, 2007 at 05:07 PM

well, Pam it looks like you have things under control here. watch out for the crazy people.
catch you later maybe!

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Sadie on January 22, 2007 at 05:10 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 04:50 PM

NO, it is the rupublicans under this president who failed to read the intelligence reports regarding al quaida. Clinton developed the agency and left the top man in charge to brief the new administration. What did they do? Fire him and clear brush away from a fake ranch.

No one is dismissing your issue, many of those on here ARE veterans. But no matter how important the issue, being malicious and untruthful in your rants will get you less than favorable replies here. You want something done? Get off of your computer and knock on the door of your congressmen and women.

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 05:11 PM

Not dismissing IWV's cause. Dismissing IWV's tactics.

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GregL on January 22, 2007 at 05:14 PM

SalutetheDem's....and I guess all of us "are dumber than dirt,uninformed,unintelligent,naive,easily swayed,closed minded"....

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goodfoe on January 22, 2007 at 05:15 PM

There are over 50 bills being presented in Congress at this point that assist or support veterans in some aspect. Check out Thomas.

Can you imagine if you had someone come on a blog and criticize you after you've been at your job only a couple weeks? This is crazy.

IraqWarVeteran, I'm sorry that you cannot snap your fingers and get Pelosi to bring the bill you desire to the floor (actually, I don't believe she brings any bills in her role). But, mostly I'm sorry that this president caused you to take on the monikker that you have chosen. I believe that your anger is very misplaced.

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 05:21 PM

Way to make friends, IVW. Now that you have exposed yourself for the ignorant fool that you are, go back to the GOP.

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 05:24 PM

I don't know about you, Blue, but I am through reading or paying any attention to this guy's post. Have a feeling he is no more of a vet than I am, just thinks he is showing up Dems as uncaring.

the only wussie here, is him. If he cares so much about the Vets, get back into the surge and go and take someone's place over there.

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 05:30 PM

http://www.democrats.org/stateoftheunion

This link to give Webb your comments for his rebuttle to the Chimps talk.

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GOTV on January 22, 2007 at 05:37 PM

Rebuttal-oops

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GOTV on January 22, 2007 at 05:45 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 05:12 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 05:39 PM


I recommend rather than visit blogs and make calls and write letters, that you run for public office yourself.

Strong passion toward any objective, if used in the correct outlet, produces positive results.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 05:48 PM

This in my Business & Professional Women's updates:

On January 19th, the Congressional Caucus for Women’s Issues completed its election of co-chairs and vice-chairs for the 110th Congress. Representatives Lois Capps (D-CA) and Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) will serve as the co-chairs, and Representatives Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) and Mary Fallin (R-OK) will serve as vice-chairs.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 05:49 PM

Let's HOPE the Dems are giving him a hard time on this! Besides the Group Insurance danger, anyone who has tried to buy Individual insurance will tell you---the cost is prohibitive, there are pre-existing condition clauses which prevent a lot of people from getting coverage.

"WASHINGTON - President Bush's proposed tax deduction for health insurance appears to be shaping up as a tough sell in the Democratic Congress.


Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., said Monday that the tax changes, which Bush is expected to promote in Tuesday night's State of the Union address, would encourage employers to stop providing health insurance.

"Under the guise of tax breaks, the president is pursuing a policy designed to destroy the employer-based health care system through which 160 million people receive coverage," the lawmaker said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070122/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_health_taxes

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 05:54 PM

IRW

I spoke about some unjustifiable thing that happened to me.

I listened to people on this site give me intelligible and thoughtful insight.

They also directed me to people who could help me.

That was 2 years ago and I never had a problem with that situation again. In fact I was surprised with a big Bonus in $.

So state your case politely and don't attack us for what the Repugs did to you with there actions in starting this war.

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GOTV on January 22, 2007 at 05:56 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 05:50 PM

I look in the mirror every day.

Now, would you please use the information to contact Speaker Pelosi that PamB has provided for you? In addition to using that link, please contact all those on the Veteran's Affairs Committee with your concerns.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 05:56 PM

IWV,

If you use the link to the Veteran's Affairs, there is a freshman Congressman by the name of Zack Space. Tell him Jacqueline sent you.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 05:57 PM

IWV
Posted by GOTV on January 22, 2007 at 05:56 PM

OOPS

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GOTV on January 22, 2007 at 06:02 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 05:07 PM

Again, I think it was far easier to throw a few tax breaks to college kids that to overhaul the VA and DOD. Having said that, to do what you are requesting would take more than the first 100 hours of this Congress. Unfortunately, while it would be quite easy to get virtually anything out of the House, to get it through the 49-49-2 Senate is a horse of another color. Sen. Levin (D-MI), I believe, is in charge of the Senate Armed Services Committee now. www.house.gov and www.senate.gov will have all the contact information you need including comittee assignments. Start or continue your petitions and letter/e-mail writing. Pay no attention to the shrill "civis". We'll be right here with you. Let me know when you've got a petition for me to sign.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 22, 2007 at 06:07 PM

How about my Department of the Army Photo?

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 05:35 PM

Are you cute? ;)

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 06:14 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 06:18 PM

It's the uniform, that always get them.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 22, 2007 at 06:22 PM

I can only assume you were this Vehement and angy and calling and blasting all the Republicans while they were in the majority! Or is it just Democrats you don't like? Posted by PamB

Bingo! Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 06:24 PM

I will bet Joe Lieberman is not happy with his sweetheart, Collins over turning against this ill fated escalation. 3000 more troops landed this weekend, and 25 died this weekend!

"WASHINGTON - Congressional Republicans pushed back Monday against President Bush's decision to increase troop strength in Iraq, some voicing opposition while others urged holding the administration and Iraqi government more accountable for the war effort.

"We've had four other surges since we first went into Iraq," said Sen. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record), referring to the administration's plan for an additional 21,500 troops. "None of them produced a long-lasting change in the situation on the ground.

"So I am very skeptical that this surge would produce the desired outcome," said the Maine Republican.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070122/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 06:24 PM

China tells senior US official not to worry about anti-satellite test

The Chinese, who had not previously confirmed carrying out the test earlier this month, told Hill "this was not a threat against anybody and was not meant to spark a race to militarize space," McCormack told reporters.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 06:25 PM

Posted by IraqWarVeteran on January 22, 2007 at 06:18 PM

It's the uniform, that always get them.

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 22, 2007 at 06:22 PM

Where's the post? Cleansing?

How ya doing, Bob? Poland! Why not? We need stations everywhere, don't we?

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 06:29 PM

Even the major corporations are now saying there is climate change due to Greenhouse Gases!

"WASHINGTON - Chief executives of 10 major corporations urged Congress on Monday to require limits on greenhouse gases this year, contending voluntary efforts to combat climate change are inadequate.


The call for immediate action came on the eve of President Bush's State of the Union address in which he is expected to reiterate that the industry on its own is making progress in curtailing the growth of heat-trapping emissions without the need of government intervention.

But the executives and leaders of four major environmental organizations said in a letter to Bush that mandatory emissions caps are needed to reduce the flow of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070122/ap_on_bi_ge/ceos_climate

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 06:32 PM

Poland! Why not? We need stations everywhere, don't we? Posted by Esmeralda

So we need to "run the world" then? Where's the money gonna come from to do all that?

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 06:35 PM

"Shrill Civis"? No 'civi' here was being 'shrill'. But I'll be damned if I will let someone take people here to task for not doing what they can do themselves. And, IWV said something interesting in his post that I agreed with: that it will take the military saying no before this president will stop. A large majority of us "lazy Americans" have told this administration that they oppose this invasion....but mostly silence from the vets of this nation. They stood by and let them degrade the purple heart; degrade those that fought in Vietnam; degrade a former POW; degrade fellow veterans who lost limbs. Other than IWV and his issue, when will these vets speak up for their own?

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 06:35 PM

Too late. Because of the swiftboaters, Joe Nascar will forever believe that Barack is a terrorist.

JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 06:40 PM

Ensconsed in his safe Fox "News" channel seat, snugly tucked in as Hannity's hag, Alan Colmes has spoken. The Fairness Doctrine is just not something we Democrats should support. Must be nice to have all of your bills paid by TV and radio shows all supported by Fox "News." I smell a rat.

So, with the latest "Hannity & Colmes" in the can, the most recent member to the Lieberman wing of political no man's land can return home to know that his mortgage is paid, his heat and electricity secured, while dealing a blow against the competitors, which amount to all those progressives battling for equal time in a world run by conservative corporate conglomerates supporting only the mouth pieces that tow the big money line.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=25062

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 06:45 PM

The Decider Gets Snippy

During an interview with USA Today, Bush gave his standard answers...we have a plan to succeed in Iraq, Maliki is a great guy, Iran is bad, no new taxes...and then he was asked about his legacy:

Q: Did you see The Washington Post historical forum on your legacy, because one of the historians, Eric Foner, called you the worst president ever.

A: No, I didn't see it.

Q: Is that something that bothers you?

A: My legacy will be written long after I'm president.

Q: I know you're a fan of history, though. Do you see yourself as a possible Truman?

A: I've got two years to be president. I guess people with idle time like yourself can think about this. I've got a job to do, and I'm going to do it.

Well, we've always known that he does his job without thinking.

Dailykos

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 06:46 PM

"My legacy will be written long after I'm president."

I don't know if I agree with that. Just how long will it take to write the words "Miserable Failure"?

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BlueinIdaho on January 22, 2007 at 06:50 PM

More Republicans oppose Iraq troop increase

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Republicans pushed back Monday against President Bush's decision to deploy additional troops in Iraq, some voicing opposition while others called for the administration and Iraqi government to be held accountable.

USA Today

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 06:51 PM

The Decider Gets Snippy
by BarbinMD
Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 02:51:33 PM PST

It seems that the pressure is getting to the Decider on the eve of his State of the Union speech. During an interview with USA Today, Bush gave his standard answers...we have a plan to succeed in Iraq, Maliki is a great guy, Iran is bad, no new taxes...and then he was asked about his legacy:

Q: Did you see The Washington Post historical forum on your legacy, because one of the historians, Eric Foner, called you the worst president ever.

A: No, I didn't see it.

Q: Is that something that bothers you?

A: My legacy will be written long after I'm president.

Q: I know you're a fan of history, though. Do you see yourself as a possible Truman?

A: I've got two years to be president. I guess people with idle time like yourself can think about this. I've got a job to do, and I'm going to do it.

Well, we've always known that he does his job without thinking.
****

Boo, Hoo, Hoo ... The Decider is getting snippy.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 06:53 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Republicans pushed back Monday against President Bush's decision to deploy additional troops in Iraq, some voicing opposition while others called for the administration and Iraqi government to be held accountable.
****

Yeah, Warner, Collins and Ben Nelson are now floating a bill to get The Chief Dunce to consider the ISG recommendations. But, it's hardly a withdraw the troops now resolution.

Warner doesn't agree with the escalation at any rate.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 06:55 PM

"My legacy will be written long after I'm president."

He keeps saying "the world will figure out how smart I am long after we're 'all dead'". I'm sure that's what his neo-con handlers keep telling him.

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 06:59 PM

So we need to "run the world" then? Where's the money gonna come from to do all that?

Posted by Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 06:35 PM

I was being snarky about the bases. But yeah, w wants to run the world, and I figure he's going to get if off our (americans) backs, or try to.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 07:04 PM

cbs just put up their newest poll. BUSH APPROVAL AT 28%!!!!!! CONGRADULATIONS MR. BOZO WE KNEW YOU COULD BREAK 30!!!!!!

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gregg on January 22, 2007 at 07:05 PM


Posted by Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 06:42 PM


hehehehe,

William, he is going to go into his SOTU address tomorrow night, not only in the toilet in approval, with CEO's coming out today saying that their own greenhouse gases must be capped, his health insurance proposal already dissed, I can't imagine what he possibly can say that will be positive or factual. I just pray that the Dems stay seated. I still remember Clinton's last couple of SOTU speechs, while the Repubs sat on their hands, with their fingers up their butts! AND HE WAS A SUCESSFUL PRESIDENT!

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:05 PM

But, but, but, I thought he said "No new taxes!". Oh, he meant "No new taxes!" only for his rich cronies.

Bush to Tax Health Care Plans!!!

If your health care plan is "too good," Bush is going to propose that you get taxed for it. He's proposing a tax increase!

Oh, this is going to be so much fun this week. Count the Republicans who line up behind Bush's tax increase. Just count 'em.

NY Times

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 07:05 PM

**Updated**
At least 130 killed in Iraq bloodshed
More than 130 people die on Iraq's bloodiest day this year, with bomb attacks in Baghdad and Baquba and 160 were injured in a double car bombing at a second-hand clothes market in Baghdad. Full Story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6286459.stm

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DemocratKickingAss on January 22, 2007 at 07:07 PM

Great news, gregg ! Now I think he is the lowest in History, isn't he????

did you read the post above about CEOs criticizing Bush about greenhouse emissions? Read it, you will like it!


This didn't take long, did it? Good, let them get their venom out of the way nice and early.


RNC unleashes first attack against candidate Clinton

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Hours_after_announcement_RNC_attacks_Hilary_0122.html

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:08 PM

Send a message to congress this weekend!
Join CODEPINK and many others in a national march to D.C. on January 27-29, to send a strong, clear message to Congress and the Bush Administration: The people of this country want the war and occupation in Iraq to end and we want the troops home now! Click on link below for details:

http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?list=type&type=185

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DemocratKickingAss on January 22, 2007 at 07:10 PM

cbs just put up their newest poll. BUSH APPROVAL AT 28%!!!!!! CONGRADULATIONS MR. BOZO WE KNEW YOU COULD BREAK 30!!!!!!
****

Chimpy has Nixon's record lows in mind. Nixon got down to 19% by the time he left. Only 9% more to go King George!

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:10 PM

pam, yes the world is just leaving bush and the sallys of the world behind and going ahead in trying to do something to stem the tide of environmental destruction. this is gonna be a great state of the nation speech...it will be like the high school teacher who kicks off the holiday assembly as they are cuffing him and taking him off to jail for dealing crack....

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gregg on January 22, 2007 at 07:11 PM

Wonder if IWV knows about this??

"A drug-resistant bacteria that is infecting wounded US soldiers in Iraq -- and has spread to civilian hospitals in parts of Europe -- accidentally evolved in US military hospitals in Iraq, Wired Magazine will report in a massive expose on Monday, RAW STORY has learned.

The full story is now available here


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Wired_to_report_US_unwittingly_evolved_0121.html

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:11 PM

Impeach The Chimp and Darth Cheney too.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:11 PM

ABC News/Washington Post Poll: State Of The Nation Is "Unhappy With Bush"
by Erin13
Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 01:57:29 PM PST

ABC News and The Washington Post released results today of its latest phone survey among a random sampling of Americans age 18+. It was conducted by third-party TNS Research, with 1,000 completed responses collected from Tuesday Jan. 16 through Friday, Jan. 19, 2007.

Surveys of 1,000+ completed responses are considered statistically significant and reliable for reporting purposes.

The .pdf of the questions asked, response results and methodology are in weblink, below, along with a link to the news release from ABC News.

Take a look at the buzzword in this news: Iraq. Maybe if the president reads it he'll get a clue.

Title of the report: "The State Of The Nation: Is Unhappy With Bush." News excerpts are attached from Gary Langer at ABC News.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/22/165029/211

More luv for Da Chimp.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:12 PM

Send a message to congress this weekend!
Join CODEPINK and many others in a national march to D.C. on January 27-29,
****

Be there or be square. Protest the illegal Iraq occupation.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:15 PM

This infuriates me! If Bush Co had left the troops in Afghanistan, Maybe , just maybe there would no longer be any such group as AlQaeda, and bin Laden would be rotting in a jail! But oh, no, they HAD to get into Iraq and leave AlQaeda and Bin laden alone!

Al-Qaeda claims it shot down US helicopter in Iraq

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070122/ts_afp/usiraqmilitary_070122195704

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:17 PM

Posted by PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:11 PM

Pam,

Bluzy had posted that on a previous thread. I looked up the bacteria. My brain had a hard time comprehending the medical terms, but the gist of it put me in a state of confusion just thinking that when we do bring them home, they are bringing back more than just an altered mind, body and soul that they will have to live with.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 07:17 PM

Bush & Health Insurers Play Tag Team to Block Real Reform
by DrSteveB
Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 01:49:25 PM PST

Over the past week we have seen the once again the brilliance of the Bush White House "Mayberry Machiavallians" as domestic politics operators in pursuit of narrow corporate special interests. Incompetent at actual policy, administration or management, they are once again brilliant at political gamesmanship. They have in effect played a classic tag-team of bad-cop/good-cop with the health insurance industry and others to promomte bad and worse plans, in order to try and block real reform from getting on the agenda.

Meanwhile, Families USA and other organizations (APHA, AARP, AAFP ) that might like to think of themselves as progressive, got taken to the cleaners in a classic tag-team bad-cop/worse-cop scenario. I explain what this is about and a real immediate action step we can take!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/22/14575/1989

It's real simply. Don't give the chimp's garbage the time of day. We now have the power to prevent any bill based on Chimp's ravings to be blocked from coming up in committee. Puggies did it to us for years so the heck with them. Let's debate HR676, Wyden Bill, Kennedy's Health care for all ... any bill other than one that is geared to harm the middle class.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:18 PM

From Krugman:

Going without health insurance isn’t like deciding to rent an apartment instead of buying a house.

The uninsured don’t need an "incentive" to buy insurance; they need something that makes getting insurance possible.

Most people without health insurance have low incomes, and just can’t afford the premiums.

And making premiums tax-deductible is almost worthless to workers whose income puts them in a low tax bracket.

Of those uninsured who aren’t low-income, many can’t get coverage because of pre-existing conditions... Again, tax deductions won’t solve their problem.

The only people the Bush plan might move out of the ranks of the uninsured are the people we’re least concerned about — affluent, healthy Americans who choose voluntarily not to be insured.

At most, the Bush plan might induce some of those people to buy insurance, while in the process — whaddya know — giving many other high-income individuals yet another tax break.

While proposing this high-end tax break, Mr. Bush is also proposing a tax increase — not on the wealthy, but on workers who, he thinks, have too much health insurance.

The tax code, he said, "unwisely encourages workers to choose overly expensive, gold-plated plans. The result is that insurance premiums rise, and many Americans cannot afford the coverage they need."

No economic analysis I’m aware of says that when Peter chooses a good health plan, he raises Paul’s premiums.

And look at the condescension. Will all those who think they have "gold plated" health coverage please raise their hands?

According to press reports, the actual plan is to penalize workers with relatively generous insurance coverage. Just to be clear, we’re not talking about the wealthy; we’re talking about ordinary workers who have managed to negotiate better-than-average health plans.

****

The hell with the chomp, I oppose this idea 100%. I suppose that's why he is raising the issue - to throw health care activists off by getting them to fight against a harmful bill that won't help anyone that doesn't have insurance.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:21 PM

It ain't easy, being cheesy.

$50K jump in board of elections ’07 budget

“One of the big things we’re going to be looking at is minimizing ballot costs, by getting other bids,” Binegar said. “We’re going to be scrutinizing every penny that goes out of this office and making sure we get the best price for every service that has to be bid out of this office.”

The office will also be getting about $50,000 in charge backs from last year’s three elections and putting that money into the county’s general fund. Charge backs come from any community that puts a special issue or ordinance on the ballot, or holds a special election.

“That money doesn’t go back into our budget, it goes into the general fund,” Binegar said.

Last year, charge backs that came in from 2005 elections totaled about $73,000.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 07:23 PM

Krugman continues:

What’s driving all this is the theory, popular in conservative circles but utterly at odds with the evidence, that the big problem with U.S. health care is that people have too much insurance — that there would be large cost savings if people were forced to pay more of their medical expenses out of pocket.

The administration also believes, for some reason, that people should be pushed out of employment-based health insurance — admittedly a deeply flawed system — into the individual insurance market, which is a disaster on all fronts. Insurance companies try to avoid selling policies to people who are likely to use them, so a large fraction of premiums in the individual market goes not to paying medical bills but to bureaucracies dedicated to weeding out "high risk" applicants — and keeping them uninsured.

Mr. Bush, on the other hand, is still peddling the fantasy that the free market, with a little help from tax cuts, solves all problems.

****

This garbage is dead on arrival as are all Bush proposals. He might as well start quacking like the lame duck he is.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:24 PM

Jacque, I feel such sickness when I read stories like that bacteria one ! I keep waiting for my nephew in law to get killed or lose his eyes or limbs. to then get this on top of it, is frightening ! What has Bush done to our kids?


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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:24 PM

Just think of going to Iraq and getting bit by one of these things.

http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/camelspider.htm

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 07:25 PM

Fat chicks? haha The latest one, as posted by FOS, looks like a hottie.

So your honorable frostbite, who is your pick for President...one that has announced, that is? And which team is your pick for the Super Bowl?

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 07:27 PM

hahahaha, Those sore loser, sour grape Repgs make me laugh! Clinton did more in 8 years, than Reagan and Bush I did in 12, yet they will not admit it. Kills them that he was so much better than anything they could spawn!

Gregg, Another good one on Global Warming !

Global Warming: The Final Verdict
By Robin McKie
The Observer UK

Sunday 21 January 2007

A study by the world's leading experts says global warming will happen faster and be more devastating than previously thought.


Global warming is destined to have a far more destructive and earlier impact than previously estimated, the most authoritative report yet produced on climate change will warn next week

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/012207EB.shtml

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PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:28 PM

This infuriates me! If Bush Co had left the troops in Afghanistan, Maybe , just maybe there would no longer be any such group as AlQaeda
****

Pam, Bush doesn't think about Bin Laden much ...

Then again, he doesn't think very much at all.

He still has that evil POS Rove though who keeps coming up with rubbish to throw us all off.

My prediction - Bush hits Nixon's lows and the GOOPIES lose way more seats in 2008.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:28 PM

sally! wow i never realized how good things would go for your president once he lost congress. will you be sitting with laura tomorrow night? hope to see you there.

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gregg on January 22, 2007 at 07:28 PM

Obama smear debunked and destroyed by CNN
by MisterOpus1
Mon Jan 22, 2007 at 03:36:49 PM PST

It's nice to see CNN do their job and investigate rather than spread the joy of smearing politicians and candidates with unsupported assertions, rumors, and innuendos. I just saw Wolf give a low down on this about 1/2 ago on the Obama's education smear.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/22/181225/419

cnn smacks down both smears - about Obama and that Clinton started the rumor. Hey, we all know this came from the likes of Sludge Drudge, the Freepers and their idiotic frosted trolls.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:30 PM

Posted by PamB on January 22, 2007 at 07:24 PM

w has started a world wide epidemic. He has given globalization a new meaning.

It breaks my heart when I read about everyone else who has family in Iraq/Afghanistan. My cousin has both her sons there. Both boys got married this past summer. sigh...

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 07:31 PM

"Frosty" nutjobs
by algebrateacher
Sat Jan 13, 2007 at 02:24:58 PM PST

Is there something about the name "Frosty" that makes someone unhinged? Frosty Hardison is an activist in Federal Way, WA, trying to ban use of Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" in the classroom. He's the one who has said that "condoms don't belong in the classroom and neither does Al Gore." His wife, an unsuccessful candidate for the school board, said she thinks the film is anti-America. Then there is Frosty Wooldridge, an anti-immigration activist whose first bugaboo (first of many; the fellow is anti-immigration the way Representative Goode, R-VA, is) is the 1965 Act of Congress legalizing the presence of Cuban refugees from Fidel. Links below

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:32 PM

To: Goodfoe and SalutetheDems

I was not intending to portray the whole south in a negative way, because most of the southern states vote consistently 40% Democratic during elections. Which means that a large minority of southerners are not the way that I described those of the ultra-conservative organizations. But, let's be honest, most of the southern states also votes consistently about 60% ultra-conservative Republican and a lot of them are members of the ultra-conservative organizations.

I obviously was not talking about you, who I imagine are not ultra-conservative, because if you were, you more than likely would not be on this forum supporting the Dems. I wasn't referring to you in that post. So, stop being so defensive.

I too, am from the south (born and raised in South Carolina), and here we have a lot of people who probably would support the Dems if they would start voting (minorities, women, young people, and even some white men), but they don't vote. The people who are most likely to vote here are the ones who are ultra-conservative Republican so that they can try to force their ultra-conservative views down people's throats.

I do have hope for the south. And, with the help of the state Democratic Party and the National Democratic Party, I think that enough progress in the south can be made in order to turn things around, and turn a lot of the south, if not blue, at least purple, so that the Democratic Party will at least be truly competitive here.

I was just agreeing with Esmeralda that it was a good thing that Clinton and Carter were trying to put together a more moderate version of the Baptist faith in the south, (something that is way overdue in the south).

I didn't mean to offend southern Dems on this blog, as I am one myself.

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LavoniaW on January 22, 2007 at 07:33 PM

Rep. Waters Encourages Members of Congress to March Against the Iraq War
Submitted by davidswanson on Mon, 2007-01-22 22:50. Activism | Congress

Washington, DC - U.S. Representative Maxine Waters (CA-35) today sent a letter to her Congressional colleagues urging them to participate in the anti-war rally planned for Saturday, January 27, 2007.

The text of the letter is below:

January 22, 2007

Dear Colleague:

By now, you should have received an invitation from United for Peace and Justice to participate in the anti-Iraq war rally planned for January 27th. I encourage you to march with me and thousands of other individuals from around the country who want to bring our troops home. Members of Congress who participate in the march will be given a prime spot at the head of the march to highlight their opposition to the war.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/17610

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:34 PM

BRINGING HOME THE TROOPS: THE NEXT STEP
Submitted by davidswanson on Mon, 2007-01-22 22:32. Media

By Janie Sheppard, UKIAH DAILY JOURNAL

In November, Americans voted against the policies of the President, specifically with respect to Iraq. Rather than heed the wishes of the electorate, the president is defiant, congratulating himself for his “thick hide” and going directly against the will of the people by sending more troops to Iraq. The Iraqi Government does not want the troops to be in Baghdad, where the President plans to send them; the Iraqi Prime Minister has said he wanted American troops moved outside the city. Never mind, the President is going to follow the beat of his own drum.

Finally, timidly, Congress has begun to consider limiting the President’s powers. In the past, when presidents have claimed powers to which they were not entitled, the federal courts have reminded them that the only powers they have are those enumerated in the Constitution. Now, we cannot depend on the courts to do that; too many judges owe their appointments to President Bush. Furthermore, now the President can even influence which corruption cases, if any, are brought in federal courts. In the January 15th New York Times, we read that an amendment in the Patriot Act allows him to appoint United States Attorneys without Senate confirmation. Recently, at least seven U.S. Attorneys have been forced to resign for no good reason, but presumably to allow the President to appoint his friends. A Bush-appointed U.S. Attorney would not be likely to bring cases against members of his administration

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/17609

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:35 PM

DON'T LET TORTURE BECOME THE NORM
Submitted by danielifearn on Mon, 2007-01-22 21:50. General Discussion

By PHILLIP BUTLER
Guest commentary

Many peace and justice organizations have been promoting and demonstrating lately for awareness of torture and related issues. I'm amazed and profoundly disappointed that this has apparently become necessary in our country.

I spent eight years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, from 1965 to 1973. During that time, I and more than 90 percent of my fellow POWs were repeatedly tortured for the extortion of political propaganda and sometimes just for retribution. We were not recognized by Vietnam as POWs, but as criminals, because the Vietnamese had not signed the 1949 "Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War."

Later, in 1975, the United Nations created the "Convention Against Torture." Both of these were ratified by Congress and became laws of our land. Unfortunately Vietnam, along with numerous other countries who are still partially stuck in the 15th century, had institutionalized torture to punish and extract information from prisoners.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:36 PM

"Frosty" nutjobs
by algebrateacher
Sat Jan 13, 2007 at 02:24:58 PM PST

Is there something about the name "Frosty" that makes someone unhinged? Frosty Hardison is an activist in Federal Way, WA, trying to ban use of Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" in the classroom. He's the one who has said that "condoms don't belong in the classroom and neither does Al Gore." His wife, an unsuccessful candidate for the school board, said she thinks the film is anti-America. Then there is Frosty Wooldridge, an anti-immigration activist whose first bugaboo (first of many; the fellow is anti-immigration the way Representative Goode, R-VA, is) is the 1965 Act of Congress legalizing the presence of Cuban refugees from Fidel.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:37 PM

Hey, Bill Richardson is going to be on Lardball.

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:38 PM

Frosty-the-moron-ignoramus hates it someone "boinks" woman instead of under-age children like so many of his Republican heros do.

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Domingo on January 22, 2007 at 07:38 PM

sally! wow i never realized how good things would go for your president once he lost congress. will you be sitting with laura tomorrow night? hope to see you there.
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Is Laura sitting next to a box of frosted flakes?

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rjsnj on January 22, 2007 at 07:40 PM

Posted by LavoniaW on January 22, 2007 at 07:33 PM

I hope that the fellows who were offended and other southerners who read/post here read your apology & accept it.

Even though I disagree with you about a draft, (I don't want my beautiful daughters to have to go) I do respectfully thank you for your service.

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Esmeralda on January 22, 2007 at 07:41 PM

Hi all,

I have been pissed off all day. I heard the other day that bush and cheney are firing U.S. Government Prosecutors and replacing them with repug extremist operative assholes.

This was confirmed today by Stephanie Miller. She said the latest is the prosecutor that brought the criminal Cunningham from San Diego to justice. They replaced him with one of rove's extremist repug operatives.

There hasn't been a word of this atrocity in the MSM or the newspapers.

Are you as outrage as I am. The whole pack of them need to be arrested, put in chains, frog-marched to the Hague and tried for treason against the American people and while they are at it they need to be tried for crimes against humanity.

bush and cheney must be removed from office NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Johnedwrd on January 22, 2007 at 07:42 PM

the only person i would rather see the repubs run than delay is gingrich. hope sally is right for once.

tomorrow the libby trial starts, a nice little warm up for bush's big flop.

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gregg on January 22, 2007 at 07:42 PM

Good evening

I stated this morning no politics today and I'm finishing the night off with a bang.

Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith you have definitely earned your props. You did it your way and look at where you are!

Chicago Bears/Indianapolis Colts

Super Bowl/Soul Bowl # 41

In our own Miami!!!!! Oh yeaaahhh !!!!

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J on January 22, 2007 at 07:43 PM

I have been pissed off all day. I heard the other day that bush and cheney are firing U.S. Government Prosecutors and replacing them with repug extremist operative assholes.
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John, the Times did have a story on this. Also, attorneys representing detainees in