Real Weekend Open Thread
Hope y'all are having a good one -- don't forget the Bears play tomorrow -- Go BEARS!!
This is an open thread...
[Update by Tracy]: Happy Birthday to Christy McConville!
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From the Last weekend open thread:
Rogue2,
Could you please define 'fairly'? It is the capitalist' mindset that since they provide the resources for many to maintain a living, no matter how loosely they define 'living', that it is only 'fair' that they (the capitalist') enjoy more benefits from the fruits of their capital. So, what is fair, and whose definition should hold precedence in defining all of societies health care needs?
Posted by davidual on January 20, 2007 at 12:24 PM
...and I will try to proofread better to eliminate the typos!:)
Go Bears!!!!!
Go Bears!!!!!
Now, I have to ask the question of the hour:
Clinton or Obama in '08?
More importantly (Seriously, guys):
What would Bill be called if Hillary wins. Is it first man, first gentleman, first husband..., I don't think "first lady" would be very much appreciated.
Dav, the Capitalist/Bankers and management have/has increased their take of the fruits of labor hugely in the last 30 years. Going back to the days of the robber barons of the 19th and early 20th cen. Labor has no leverage. Too much cheap labor now available in developing countries and transportation and communication very cheap and available. Such is war.
Kristen...I'm afraid when we get the details, it will just be some more on Bush's old shell game....
Tax credit?..How? Against gross income?...pretax income?...If it costs you $4,8oo per year for even marginal coverage for a family of 4 and you get a 10% credit, even dollar for dollar, thats $480 per years....not much help for a family with combined income of $35,000 per year. Doubtful if they could afford it....Of the $4,800 year premium, 25% goes for "administrative costs" including the salaries and bonus of those trained to denigh our claims as well as million dollar bonus for HMO CEOs....The whole system is top heavy with overhead/duplication of expense and fraud in the claims process. The only answer I like is single payor...If its done right, should save money but that will be hard to do if private ibsurance companies are involved....but I respect your opinion.
At the risk of sounding prejudiced I would side with the slave owners of the south in terms of maintaining the health of their human resources (in their case investment). But does that mean that if you don't work, or are between employers that your health is insignificant?
For that matter, for the past 20 years there has been the objective of creating more health care programs for children. These programs are purely political by nature as no politician desires to allow innocent children not having health care. However, how can parents raise healthy children if they cannot maintain ther own health, to maintain employment, to maintain healthy homes for their children?
Henceforth, there have been too many stop gap programs, which are designed for purely political gain, that balance the desires of the insurance portfolios with the politicians ability to stay in office. What we need now, just as much as we needed then, is a comprehensive health system overhaul. One in which will allow every citizen in this country access to health care.
Essie,
I'll bet your chili is great. I made some a couple of weeks ago without the beans and put too much onion in it.
We pour the chili over tamales. It's a great combination.
Of course, then we have the other objective of the empolyers that are providing health care benefits, and I mean good health care benefits, to their employees only to find themselves at a competitive disadvantage in the marketplace. This is just another reason the health care benefit playing field needs to be leveled, so some dubious employers (walmart?) cannot maintain a competitive advantage over the employers that are trying to do it right.
anyone here planning on going to this? I am kicking it around.
Protesters Will Urge Congress to Stand Up to Bush
Peace march expected to be among largest since war began.
New York, New York - Americans angered by Bush's plans to escalate the Iraq war will flood the streets of Washington on Saturday, January 27, in a massive national peace march organized by United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ). Marchers will call on Congress to listen to the voters, not Bush, by using its power to end Bush's war and bring the troops home. The last three national marches organized by UFPJ each attracted between 300,000 and 500,000 people.
John Boy
Yeah, we are still getting pounded alright. We are supposed to have another 1 to 3 inches before noon. WeatherBug.com shows some huge cells over Oklahoma and the Texas Panhandle heading into Missouri and Kansas.
I was wondering where that girl got away. All I heard that it was New Mexico. Do you think it could be one of those repug pedophiles that kidnapped the girl? We have them on the run.
John Boy-
I am furious about the clowns health care proposals. You're correct. Only people earning big bucks can afford health insurance unless it is provided by their employer. Even then it is getting very expensive. People earning minimum wage are screwed.
I'll bet Congress will all have their health coverage including all their aids. If they eliminate our employee health coverage we need to eliminate them at the ballot box.
The clown and the face shooter are trying to do away with employer provided health insurance.
We must have universal health care.
PamB,
I would love to go to this, but as usual if it isn't work schedules that hold me back,then it is the lack of work shedules, and henceforth, no money. I would like to take my son down there, so he can get the feeling of being a little more active than his dad ever was.:\
BREAKING NEWS Updated: 18 minutes agoBAGHDAD, Iraq - A U.S. helicopter crashed Saturday northeast of Baghdad, killing all 13 people on board, the military said.
At the risk of sounding prejudiced I would side with the slave owners of the south in terms of maintaining the health of their human resources (in their case investment). But does that mean that if you don't work, or are between employers that your health is insignificant?Posted by davidual on January 20, 2007 at 12:47 PM
If only slaveholders had done what they claimed.
Often old and infirmed slaves often were given "freedom" and left to fend for themselves.
Jacque, I, too, paid over $40 the other day to fill my tank again. (and I was only down to 1/4 tank). This is a hell of a lot more expensive than we were paying a year or so ago.
Has nothing to do with price per gallon, has to do with how much is available, via OPEC .
How many times does the troll have to be told not to judge what is Reality in the USA, on what is going on in the anal opening of the world---i.e. his little corner of MN! WTF is a Walmart card?
Walmart = Anti-American buying Chinese products, satisfied with poor quality products, anti civil rights, etc, to gain a dollar extra in one's wallet! We will soon be the United States of China! Latest TIME mag has an article on the 'new superpower rising in the East" and describes how fueled by its astonishing economic success, China is flexing its muscles from N. Korea to Africa. Keep helping them achieve superiority over us!
Bill would be "First Groper".
Which is still an improvement over the FIRST DOPER we have now.
DPD,
She's a doper alright. Who in their right mind would stay with that drunken, arrogant, moron SOB
unless they were a moron too.
I see the spokesliar was threatening China yesterday after they launched that satellite killer missile.
cheney will probably order the rest of our battle groups to the sea off Taiwan thereby starting another arms race.
That's nothing. Our current dope has a brother who cheated the American taxpayer out of Billions in the Savings and Loan Scandal.
Our current dope let Enron skate without paying back the Billions they stole from their employees and stockholders.
Salute,
Isn't Bremmer the one that was saying yesterday that we have to "eliminate" Social Security and Medicare before it costs the country too much. The old people are going to cost us too much.
Is he another one of those cheap bastard repugs?
brownback is running. i really hope the wing nuts go with him. he is the darling of the redstate folks. here is one of his brilliant statements:
"Search the record of history. To walk away from the Almighty is to embrace decline for a nation," Brownback said. "To embrace Him leads to renewal, for individuals and for nations."
yes it did wonders for afganistan under the taliban. oh please let this cretin from kansas be the republican candidate. i bet the ideal ticket for them would be brownback/delay.
The Enron chiefs screwed California ratepayers in 2001 after your asshole buddy bush was appointed president. bush didn't do shit about it because California voted for Gore.
California forked out Billions to bail out the PG&E ratepayers. We will never see a dime of our money.
Skilling and the other asshole probably sent much of the money to the Carman Islands in their wife's names.
Furthermore, a repug judge in Texas said the we couldn't touch "skillings" money since he is dead. What a load of crap.
john, i am ignoring the u no what but here are some wonderful new poll numbers from newsweek:
9. On another subject, do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?
Approve 31%
Disapprove 62%
DK 7%
...this is the lowest it has ever been. i hope he can get below 30 before he his term is up or he is arrested and put in chains. for the rest of the poll stuff:
TheRightHonorable*Frosty* on January 20, 2007 at 01:41 PM:
Brainfreeze,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH!!
You are the epitome of a fool that always, and I mean always, skates back to blaming the Clinton Administration for everything that happened from 1/1/1992 - 9/11/2001.
So, brainfreeze, what's going to happen when our current Idiot-in-Chief is out of office? Hmmm? I suppose, especially when we have a Democratic president, that everything that happened from 9/11/2001 - 2/1/2016 you will blame this new administration's negligence. Also, the Democratic Congress for refusing to pour more gasoline on Bush's conflagration in Iraq.
Gregg,
Sorry, I donate my Frosty(R) to Americas Second Harvest, Heat or Eat program.
One can only hold the comment for so long, ya know?
Skilling ain't dead, neither is Kenny boy. He's hiding out in South America on the Bush / Moon compound.
DPD on January 20, 2007 at 02:06 PM,
In which respect, did anybody really ever leave the building?
david, we all weaken on occasion. do 90 meetings in 90 days and get back on the righteous path!
i am looking foward to bush's state of the nation speech this week. it should be hyesterical. pelosi looking over his shoulder, that fat asshole hastert in the bleachers and webb carving the dummie a new asshole when its over!
bbl, probably much later, so I guess in blogoshere that would be bbpml?
TT here is the link to redstate, they want you to join their brownback cheeleaders for the lord team! take that asshole sally with you.
lest we forget:
"The Republicans will hold a 4 seat advantage in both the House and the Senate.
That prediction may change again but one thing is certain - it will not be a blowout year for either side.
Posted by FrostyPumpkins on November 2, 2006 at 03:21 AM"
hahahaha
TsunamiTuesday on January 20, 2007 at 02:15 PM,
Isthis what you're looking for?
Shifting greater responsibility to the Iraqis for their security and transitioning the principal mission of our forces from combat to training, logistics, force protection, and counter terrorism operations;Beginning the phased redeployment of our forces in the next four to six months; and
Implementing an aggressive diplomatic strategy, both within the region and beyond, which reflects the continuing obligation of the international community to help stabilize Iraq and which assists the Iraqis in achieving a sustainable political settlement, including by amending their constitution.
Probably, not!!:/
bbl,pml!!;)
Check out the home pages of Kerry, Murtha, Feingold, Hagel, the ISG, or just Google "Democrats Plan for Iraq".
Just because there are MANY plans put forth over the years doesn't mean as the Pugs like to say that since there are many, there isn't ONE.
The Boston Globe weighs in on this.
Democrats may unite on plan to pull troops
See Iraq withdrawal, deployment in region
Also, NOBODY has the authority to order troop movements except the Sec of Defense and the alcoholic crack head in the White House. PERIOD. So it doesn't matter WHAT the Dems plans are, because Little Prince Georgie won't put down the Jack and Crack long enough to read them.
from the associated baptist press:
Evangelicals join with scientists in fight against global warming
By Robert Marus
Published January 19, 2007
WASHINGTON (ABP) -- A new alliance between prominent evangelical leaders and their secular scientific counterparts to fight global warming is drawing bipartisan support in Washington -- but also has some evangelical detractors.
A coalition of 28 scientists, theologians, ethicists and pastors announced a new collaborative effort on human-caused climate change during a Jan. 16 press conference in Washington. The event marks an escalation in the budding evangelical environmental movement and signals a willingness for some scientists and conservative Christians to put aside their differences over how and when creation came about in order to prevent its premature end.
The group outlined its concerns in a document called “An Urgent Call to Action” and addressed to President Bush, political leaders and evangelical and scientific communities.
"We agree that our home, the earth, which comes to us as that inexpressibly beautiful and mysterious gift that sustains our very lives, is seriously imperiled by human behavior," the statement read. "The harm is seen throughout the natural world, including a cascading set of problems such as climate change, habitat destruction, pollution, and species extinction, as well as the spread of infectious diseases, and other accelerating threats to the health of people and the well-being of societies. Each particular problem could be enumerated, but here it is enough to say that we are gradually destroying the sustaining community of life on which all living things on Earth depend."
The letter's signers include Eric Chivian, Nobel laureate and director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School; Rich Cizik, vice-president for governmental affairs at the National Association of Evangelicals; NASA climatologist James Hansen, and Joel Hunter, the pastor of a megachurch near Orlando. Hunter recently declined to become the president of the Christian Coalition after disputes with the group's board over broadening its focus to include environmentalism, among other things.
Among the signers is Associated Baptist Press columnist David Gushee, who is a Christian ethics professor at Union University...
Here ya go, TT. An entire Dem website dedicated to Prince Georgie's War.
Democrats Focused on Plan for Iraq
Sorry, but I couldn't find a similar resource at GOP dot com.
DPD,
Skilling ain't dead, neither is Kenny boy. He's hiding out in South America on the Bush / Moon compound.
I wonder if Hitler and Goebels are hiding out there too.
Gregg,
Sorry I have just reached the end of my rope with these repugs. bush and cheney can't be arrested and sent to the Hague soon enough for me.
Gregg..re 2:15 PM Post...me to, me to,...it will be a blood letting....thanks for the pitcher of martunis you sent earlier, me and "Buddy" are getting mellow.....did you get rid of the nuts from the nut house or are they still in the root cellar?....
Did anybody see the "OMG!!! Hillary taped her announcement some time ago, so therefore she can't be trusted to start any more wars", (or something like that) histrionics going on in the land of the wingnuts?
From a link @ TBOGG Let's Go to the Video: When and Where Did Hillary Tape 'I'm In' Announcement?
And just where ARE those WMD that the Pugs KNOW the location of? (West, East, South and North of Baghdad, somewhat).
JohnE....Sorry I took so long to get back to you....I don't remember what they said about the cretin that took the girl....if I hear anything,I'll get back with you.....John Boy...
Cheney would require a case of Pork and Beans and a box of ex-lax.
james spann, allworship.com, grew up near druid high school ( which could explain alot ) and king of the cutting edge mid-alabama broadcast universe. give me a break!
gregg, would the Druid HS you mentioned be in Tuscaloosa? There was one there when I attended U of A /Was named after the Brit Druids liked trees
An ahole, evangelical repug from Kansas is going to run for President.
"Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., began a long-shot bid for president on Saturday, hoping his reputation as a favorite son of the religious right can help him outdistance better known rivals".
He will probably get two votes. His vote and his dog's vote.
ABC Falsely Claims Pelosi Opposes Cutting Funds For Iraq Escalation
Boy, the rodent network REALLY needs a slew of License challenges. January is the time for filings. Check your local ABC / Disney station to see if they are up for renewal this year.
FCC License Challenge Database
Print out forms available here:
He will probably get two votes. His vote and his dog's vote.Posted by Johnedwrd on January 20, 2007 at 03:48 PM
Looks like today is "I'm In" for all the fakes.
Hillary. She looked like she was doing a QVC Announcement. I was wondering when she was going to show me a pair of Cubic Zirconia earings.
Hi again, DPD, Gregg, etal
Here's ABC's contact form to send them a correction to their distortions about Pelosi.
http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html
hey gregg,
that redstate.org site was a laugh a minute, especially the night of November 7th, as the Democratic victories were rolling in. Did you see those guys predictions the days before the election? I LMAO! Talk about what planet these guys live on! Couldn't believe how out of touch these people are!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Christy. Go Bears!!! And if the Saints win, well that's not such a bad outcome either.
Posted by FakeDem on January 20, 2007 at 03:57 PM
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Why don't you go ____ _______? Since I'm sure noone else on this planet would dare. Hey, guess what ? The polls show that the American people want a Democratic President in 2008 over a Republican by 25 points.Looks like you're party sucks. That explains why you keep trying to hang out over here.Doesn't it troll?
'p
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 03:57 PM
Good, as long as an obvious Pug finally admitted that THEY are ALL yellow spineless moochers, why don't you end both your and our misery and tie a rope around your neck and jump off a bridge?
I'll bring popcorn. Say around nine-ish?
Posted by dorsano on January 20, 2007 at 04:02 PM
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Hi Dors,
I'm torn between the Saints and the Bears because of NOLA and Obama. Technically, Green Bay is supposed to be utter rivals all the way, but since we're out, I could be nice. I don't know the rules.
HI FOS,
I am just reading the TIME mag which just came in today's mail. There is an article in it on whether Obama can win the Presidency, with what people are claiming is his in-experience. You should read it. Says absolutely he could win. That although Americans like experience, American history proves he probably could win.
There is another one written by William Kristol (yuk), about Hillary Clinton and what will be her Iraq Shuffle. He ends on the note that she may be able to win the nomination, BUT is worrying about Gore! Now personally, I think that is a crock!
Hi, pam & FOS! Since so far it's Hillary, '08ama (cute, huh? I got it from an editorial cartoon somewhere), Richardson, Edwards, etc., etc., etc., and the Pubies have ______?_____ (click for audio list, it's too long) I guess we will be "visited" by the brain dead for the next 20 or so years.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 03:59 PM
Hillary's a tough woman. She survived a nasty hate campaign conducted at tax payer expense and came out stronger at the end. Those who took part against her believed that everything was fair game including her bra size, what side of the bed she sleeps on, and her daughter.
In the end, the country grew disgusted with the attacks. Obama talks about that in his book.
No need to keep changing your username TROLL. Like we don't know it's you tard. I'm so glad I have a home computer now. As of Tuesday, I will be kicking your troll butt all day long.
Bwaaahhaaaahaaaaaa!
Loser!
BTW, Everyone. Go check out Huff Po. They are talking about Obama and Edwards and Martha Stewart, I mean, Hillary Clinton.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 04:09 PM I don't know the rules.
You're free to vote your conscience on this one. :)
boy, these sour grape, sore losers just keep slithering in, don't they? Probably another one of the deadbeats from Red State blog, predicting the Repubs would not lose more than 4 or 5 seats in the election! snicker, snicker..........
I say only send Republicans in this next escalation, and only tax them also, for the cost of their Illegal occupation of a country that was absolutely no threat to us !
Washington - The steadily rising Iraq war price tag will reach about $8.4 billion a month this year, Pentagon spokesmen said on Thursday, as heavy replacement costs for lost, destroyed and aging equipment mount.
The Pentagon has been estimating last year's costs for the increasingly unpopular war at about $8 billion a month, having increased from a monthly "burn rate" of around $4.4 billion during the first year of fighting in fiscal 2003.
Oh, gee. First in his class at Anapolis versus drunk, coked up and AWOL from the Champagne Unit of TANG.
Invented the Nuclear Submarine, versus coming up with new ways to rape minors.
Brokered the Camp David Peace Accords, which are still in effect, versus starting a regional war and trashing over 200 years of alliances and universal good will just because of a refusal to act like an adult. (And drunk at the time, too(.
Yeah, Little Prince Georgie is a REAL winner, versus Carter.
Posted by DPD on January 20, 2007 at 04:14 PM
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The Republicans know they are gonna lose this time. They are runing for 2010 or for re-election to the Senate 2008. Remember, they have 21 Senate seats up in 2008 and ummmm, that's gonna be really fun because we get two treats. We keep the Senate and we get to tell Lieberman to kiss our Liberal ___ because he won't be the deciding vote. We're gonna pick up at least 15/20 more seats.
I LOVE Barack Obama as you can already tell. I'm remaining faithful. Also, as much as I have some issues with the South, I'm pickinh John Edwards over Hillary Clinton. That's how much I hate that fake "pity me" little _____!
Plus, JE doesn't act like he's from the South. The only thing Southern about him is the way he said "and..." . he sirta sounds like Forrest Gump, but in a cute way.
;p
Let them all go and sign up for this one, too!!!!
"Washington - U.S. contingency planning for military action against Iran's nuclear program goes beyond limited strikes and would effectively unleash a war against the country, a former U.S. intelligence analyst said on Friday.
"I've seen some of the planning ... You're not talking about a surgical strike," said Wayne White, who was a top Middle East analyst for the State Department's bureau of intelligence and research until March 2005.
"You're talking about a war against Iran" that likely would destabilize the Middle East for years, White told the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington think
What flavor koolaid was that you were drinking there , Loser ???
There WERE no terrorists nor radical Islamics in Iraq under Hussein ! There WERE no WMDs. There WERE no Al Qaeda nor Taliban connections. There was no 9/11 connection.
The absolute ignorance of these guys just boggles the mind! they don't read a single freaken thing! Limbaugh and Fox are their Bibles!
...DPD- I'm confused
Just Google. Sometimes newspapers change their featured stories, and since I went to the direct paper link, it may have been moved down the list.
Try using their archives or cached pages.
BBL
This latest TIME has another article on China and how sucessful they are. HONG KONG SOARS.
Seems the entire world is turning to Hong Kong for their Financial community. "More and more money will come to Hong Kong to get closer to Chinese assets".
Maybe when Bush is out, and the Dems have control of it all, we can finally bring this country back to the greatness it once had.
$8.4 BILLION a month spent on a useless occupation though is crippling us.
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 04:29 PM The absolute ignorance of these guys just boggles the mind! they don't read a single freaken thing!
Moonbats don't read, Pam. They just bark and poop all over the belfry.
Speaking of sore losers, don't you feel kind of foolish for spending all that time trying "to make a difference" on the Lamont campaign only to have him lose big time and in the end you made no differnce at all?
I told you before. The Alzheimers must be setting in! I am PROUD to have worked on Lamont, and been part of the original move towards the Anti-War movement that carried the Dems into power!!! Lamont helped bring national recognition to the fact that this Invasion must end! I would not take back one single minute, one single dollar I spent on this campaign.
btw, you are so passionate about your Right wing moonbat position, who WAS it you were working with in the election? How much money did YOU spend at the RNC or candidates? oooops, forgot. You don't work !
Oh, I can't wait till 2008. See? When we have 70 Democrats 60 real Dems / 10 Fake ass Dixicrats , coupled with a majority in the House and A Democratic President, do you trolls understand that it will be the political DEATH of the Republican Party? It's over for ya'll. Totally over. We're gonna tax the hell out of you big corporate doners. Fox News ratings will plummet. You will have nothing and nobody. it's over for you all.
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:33 PM I just want someone who will fight the crazy radicals.
I think the best thing to do with Rush, Coulter, Malkin, Hannity and some of the Bush Administration is to send them to Armenia on an intelligence gathering expedition.
Speaking of sore losers, don't you feel kind of foolish for spending all that time trying "to make a difference" on the Lamont campaign only to have him lose big time and in the end you made no differnce at all?
IDIOT!
THE BLOGGERS DID NOT CHOOSE HIM. HE DECIDED TO RUN AND WE BACKED HIM BECAUSE WE HATED JOE LIEBERMAN AND THE DUDE MESSED UP WHEN HE WENT AND TOOK A BREAK. WHEN WE PICK OUR OWN CANDIDATE, HE WILL BE IN IT TO WIN AND WILL KICK SOME SERIOUS AZZ.
21 REPUBLICAN SEATS UP FOR GRABS IN 2008!
YOU GUYS ARE DEAD!
now this one made me LOL. Husband wants to know what is so funny!
Hey Cyn and any other uninsureds out there. Why don't you email the WH (commentsatwhitehouse.gov)and let Bush know how that trying to find individual health insurance is going for you!! The ungodly Price plus acceptance into any plan if you have so much as a hang nail pre-existing!!!
"WASHINGTON - President Bush will propose a tax deduction of $7,500 for individuals and $15,000 for families regardless of whether they buy their own health insurance or receive medical coverage at work.
The proposal, to be announced Tuesday in his State of the Union address, is aimed at giving the uninsured an incentive to purchase a medical plan.
Sorry to leave you ladies. Have fun. Don't worry about cleaning up. We can have the cleaning crew come in and disinfect things. Plus, we can order out dinner.
Where do Bush supporters come up with the intel used to justify our continued involvement in Iraq? They make it up.
It's as simple that. You need a new reason to be in Iraq after the old reason has been disproven so you fabricate one. We've all seen it time time again. Claims are made, the semblance of proof is provided, and those on the Bush team embrace it. There was never the intention to provide damning evidence because you simply didn't need to have to convince these sheep to stand with you.
who were the 18 peope that crashed airplans into building?
duhhhh, there were Saudi Arabians!!! Financed by Bin Laden, Leader of AlQaeda!!!
Now YOU really got to be shitting us that you could POSSIBLY be THAT stupid and out of it!
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 04:43 PM Where do Bush supporters come up with the intel used to justify our continued involvement in Iraq? They make it up.
What's even more puzzling to me is why people who think all Muslims are out to get them wanted to liberate 20 million of them.
So, you are proud to be a loser.
spoken by one who has always been a loser, and will die all alone in the woods , a loser !
My candidate won, by helping 28 Democratic House Reps win, and 6 Senators win! You know you are speaking out your ass, there old man !
What were those off the wall, ridiculous predictions You were making here for weeks before the election? hahahaha ! I would stop right here if I were you. You look foolish enough!
So where do we go from here? First of all we've got to show the American people just how much they have been misled with respect to Iran. Iran was our ally in the War on Terror until Bush decided to force the issue of Iraq. You see France was not the only nation opposed to the invasion, some nations were much closer and their lack of support should have been considered because it would influence the War on Terror itself. Just look at how much worse the problem becomes once you put Iran on the side of terrorists rather than on the side of the United States.
Now all that occured between the United States and Iran in the past five years has been influence by the decision to ignore Iranian rejections to the invasion of Iraq. Here too a story regarding the assumed intensions of Iran concerning nuclear material was manufactured with the intent of destroying Iranian credibility in the region. Destroy Iran's credibility and they are not called in to assist in Iraq and so do not make political and economic inroads there.
No organization with access to Iranian facilities was able to confirm claims made by the Bush administration. Since that time, the Bush administration has destroyed diplomacy concerning that matter and led Iranians to kick out those agencies.
It is important to understand this reality. Bush and company are telling a story about Iran, one that is as believable as the story told about Iraq but no more based in reality than it was. Once again, if the Bush administration actually had solid evidence they would not be telling stories but presenting that evidence.
This is what Dems sound like. what a joke...
Can dems blog about anything else?
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:48 PM
eww, eww, it sure does hurt , doesn't it Repug?
like salt in the wound ! You lost, get over it! And you are going to lose a lot more in 2008, with 21 (count them) more Repugs, (corrupt, Perverts, rubber stampers) coming up for re election.
Ahhhhh, we are still feeling the ectasy, two months after the big WIN!!!
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 04:41 PM
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I'm single, 32 and make under 30,000 a year and guess what they wanted from me to give me Heath Coverage that did not include hardly anything?
$559.00 a MONTH. Now, you know how much the government steals from us single people? I get no tax breaks. I have no children. I get no cuts, I don't qualify for jack smak assistance. I pay medical insurance for someone else out of my checks. I pay Social Secuity for someone else out of my checks. I don't know what the heck FISA is for. I have bills too and I have to pay for everything on my own. I don't have anyone else's income to suplement mine on. I don't "choose' to work. I have to work. I have to get there. I have to eat. I have to pay rent. I have to pay cable , phone, ect. They expect me to pay $ 559.00 a MONTh just in CASE I get hurt? As _______ if!
I would love to tell George Bush that strait to his pasty pink ugly ___ face so I can spit at him and pretend it was an accident.
;p
U.S. helicopter crash near Baghdad kills 13
BAGHDAD -- A U.S. helicopter crashed northeast of Baghdad today, killing all 13 crewmembers and passengers aboard, the military said.
The U.S. military also reported the deaths of three other troops in insurgent violence elsewhere in Iraq.
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The cause of the crash was under investigation and the names of the victims were being withheld pending notification of next of kin. But one Iraqi witness who spoke on condition of anonymity claimed the chopper was felled by ground fire. The U.S. military could not confirm that account.
Posted by dorsano on January 20, 2007 at 04:48 PM
What's even more puzzling to me is why people who think all Muslims are out to get them wanted to liberate 20 million of them.
That's a really good question Dorsano. It almost as though their claims were completely insincere. That couldn't be, could it?
What should we have done after the planes? You gotta be one of the stupidest trolls to ever slither in. We should have gone after BIN LADEN, caught him, attacked AlQaeda!
Instead, we PULL out guys out of Afghanistan, and throw them into Iraq where there is no WMDS, No Al Qaeda, Nothing! Bin Laden sure looks healthy and happy in videos, Taliban stronger than ever in Afghanistan, Poppy Crop biggest in history !
I have wasted enough time on sore loser idiots!
One more before I head out to eat !
Bush is a picture of defeat
January 19, 2007
BY ANDREW GREELEY
The presidential address last week was pathetic enough to make one feel sad for the poor dear man, as they say in the old country. With little emotional affect he read a lecture about his ''new strategy,'' which was in fact nothing more than a new tactic, growled at Iran and Syria, threatened the Iraqi government, and promised that the United States would emerge the winner in Iraq.
The notion that 20,000 more American troops would pacify Baghdad was farcical. If one really intended to stop internecine war between two religious tribes, one would have had to promise a lot more Americans. John Keegan, the famous English military historian and commentator, estimated that pacification would take 50,000 troops. Various American military experts suggested that it would require at least 100,000 soldiers and Marines. If one calculates two American soldiers or Marines for every 1,000 people in a city, as does the Army's counter-insurgency manual, 140,000 fighting men (which excludes the half of the troops in Iraq who are not combat soldiers) would be required
http://www.suntimes.com/news/greeley/217426,CST-EDT-GREEL19.article
"It feels so good to be a Dem. We are going to win in 2008. We are sooo smart and great. You right wingers are sooo dumb. Dems rule again. Wow it feels so good. I cant belive how great I feel. We are winners. We will take over"..This is what Dems sound like. I wish I was smart enough to be one
Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:48 PM
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 20, 2007 at 04:54 PM
It likely doesn't have health care coverage. We'll have to take up a collection. We could try and auction off the Bob Ney and Tom Delay campaign paraphernalia it has in the trunk but I don't think we'll get much for it.
Do you realy think Clinton or Obama will change Helth care for you?Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:00 PM
Clinton can't do jack smak for me. President Obama will sign , into LAW, the Bill that CONGRESS will PASS that will change Health care for me.
'p
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:03 PM
eviscerate him and bury him in pig shit.
Here's a better question. Who failed to put into place procedures we knew were necessary to prevent the attacks of 9/11 from ever occuring?
Here's some reality for you all. We knew that Osama bin Laden was considering using aircraft in an attack on the United States as far back as 1993. (This is as far back as I trace my personal knowledge of this matter, though it may go even further.) This was an evolution of tactics employed by the Palestinian Liberation Organization and other groups who hijacked aircraft with the intension of holding the passengers for ransom. All that was altered is the intension. The planes were now to be hijacked so that the planes themselves might be used as missiles.
Work was done to increase our protection from these plans, but the airlines themselves would not step up to the plate and make the necessary changes to security procedures. Time and time again thier security companies failed inspection.
Do you realy think Clinton or Obama will change Helth care for you?
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:00 PM
I know this question wasn't directed at me, but yes, I think they will find a way to make it more affordable by pushing universal healthcare.
Hi everybody, I'm just dropping by to see if any of you are able to make it to DC next Saturday for the March on Washington?
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 04:56 PM It almost as though their claims were completely insincere. That couldn't be, could it?
I'm actually sort of puzzled by that question too. Did they really think that all Muslims were out to get them and were just played for fools
or do they think that we're fools and will buy into the notion that all Muslims are out to get us. Which would include the Muslims serving in the U.S. Millitary I suppose.
If Bush had been concerned with terrorism when he came to power, then the first thing he would have done is make the necessary changes to prevent these plans from being carried out. Instead he simply increased efforts to destroy the enemy. This was not enough, obviously, and was retarded considering that an attack is more easily prevented at the known source rather than through massive international operations which are more like finding a needle in a haystack than anything.
In the mind of a moonbat when one of something is guilty they all are guilty. Except if the guilty party is a Republican, then he or she is a liberal posing as a Republican.
Bush Administration: Assaulting justice
The government's pursuit of every possible advantage in the prosecution of detainees risks catastrophic consequences for individuals, our concepts of justice and our international standing.Already shocked by Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo detentions and renditions, international public opinion could turn irrevocably unforgiving over further missteps. Traditional U.S. concepts of justice, fair play and restraint of power are fragile, given to breaking rather than bending to rough treatment...
..The meanest recent kick at the concept of fair play came from Charles Stimson, deputy assistant secretary of defense. He said law firms might lose the business of major corporations for providing legal representation to Guantanamo detainees. The pro bono representation by firms such as Seattle's Perkins Coie is commendable, not worthy of attack.
They are just racist, Dorsano. There isn't any logical reason for it because none exists. Notice that these are the same people who blame the violence in Iraq on 1500 year old differences of opinions that until the Bush invasion did not lead to the violence we see now.
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:12 PM If Bush had been concerned with terrorism when he came to power, then the first thing he would have done is make the necessary changes to prevent these plans from being carried out.
The Bush administration was preoccupied with building a missile defense system.
We should have gone after BIN LADEN, caught him, attacked AlQaeda!then after we cought Bin Laden. Then what?
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:03 PM
Send the message to Al Queda that we don't ____ around.
Send the message to Hezzbollah that we will kick their ___ if they think about going near Israel.
Send the message to Afhghanistan ans Pakistan that we didn't need their help finding Usama,so whether they want to cooperate with us in fighting Global Terrorism or not, matters not.
Send the message to Somalia and Drafur that we may have underestimated them once, but they better not make us have to go back.
Send the message to any idiots lurking in our own nation that may want to think they can start some ____ on our own soil that if we can do what we did over seas, imagine what our FBI is gonna do to them when we finf them?
We would send the message that America is badass and not to be ______ with. Unfortunatly, the Chimp N Chief , showed everyone in the world our bare ass and now we look like we don't know what the hell we are doing.
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:15 PM They are just racist, Dorsano. There isn't any logical reason for it because none exists.
But then why liberate 20 million of them? Did they think we we're going to over there and just kill everyone and leave the country empty?
Sleeping on the job and spending too much time at the ranch. Do you remember how many of his first days in office were spent at the ranch? This president wasn't noteworthy until after the attacks of 9/11.
It wasn't a sincere jesture, Dorsano. The liberation idea was only a sales scheme, a selling point to be bought up by those who really do care about such things.
Wow, You have it all figured out. Good for you!! now you get a red star, and stick of gum...Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:08 PM
What can I say? I'm a Progressive.
BTW. I would prefer a BLUE star and an extra credit point. Thank you.
The Dems in office realy don't really want the troops home.Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:20 PM
The Dem posting here calling himself a fellow Democrat really isn't really a Democrat.
Has anyone ever notice that 1/10 of a cent really = billions of dollars?? Excellent viewpoints and ideas at http://positivecfc.blogspot.com/
Hillary Clinton launches White House bid: 'I'm in'
Sen. Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray as a 2008 presidential candidate with the words "I'm in" posted on her Web site.
"And I'm in to win," she added in a statement, announcing she has set up an exploratory committee that can gauge opinions and raise money for a presidential campaign. Full Story & Video:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/20/clinton.announcement/index.html
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:21 PM It wasn't a sincere jesture, Dorsano. The liberation idea was only a sales scheme, a selling point to be bought up by those who really do care about such things.
The whole business with Muslims with purple fingers voting for other Muslims?
Sleeping on the job and spending too much time at the ranch. Do you remember how many of his first days in office were spent at the ranch? This president wasn't noteworthy until after the attacks of 9/11.Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:19 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if this idiot started the war and is keeping it going just so he does'nt have to govern the nation.What chu think?
Actually, Freedom, that Israeli issue needs to be addressed. We are not a part of Israel and it is not in our best interests to support Israel in its attempts to compound problems in the Middle East. This is what Israel does every time that they take major military action without concern for innocent inhabitants as they did in Lebanon and inside the Gaza Strip. Simply supporting Israel and noone else is not how we are going to solve the problem, if it was the problem would be solved already.
We instead must hold all sides to a higher standard. We must demand a cease-fire and hold each party accountable. Those individuals who violate the cease-fire must then be rounded up one by one. There is no reason to force a consolidation of power on the side of Palestinians or Lebanese by applying that sort of pressure. You complicate matters rather than improving them through such methods.
Rocket attack on UK base in Basra
Six British soldiers have been hurt after rockets and mortars struck a military base in southern Iraq, the Ministry of Defence has said.
Full Story:
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 05:28 PM I'm beginning to wonder if this idiot started the war and is keeping it going just so he does'nt have to govern the nation.What chu think?
You gonna share some your gum?
Freedom, I honestly don't think that there is enough activity in that man's skull for a concept such as that ever to have formed. At best he is reactive.
Car bomb wounds 5 NATO soldiers in Afghanistan
Five NATO soldiers were wounded in southern Afghanistan on Friday when a car bomb exploded near a convoy, a spokesman said Saturday.
Full Story:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070120/car_bomb_070120/20070120?hub=TopStories
So, By catching Bin Laden. We would have sent a message around the whole world that America is a bad ass. And,
Then we live happily mofo ever after.
I'd really like to see violence in the Middle East finally subside. When it happens it is not going to be as a result of troop buildup, ultimatums, or ally selection. It is going to happen because all involved are truly sick of fighting, period.
DORS,
(tearing it half and giving you a piece)
:)
MARINE,
I'm talking about Israel being our Ally in the same sense as Mexico/ Canada/ England and if we have any other friends, them too. Since all the shet is going down in the Mid East, I say Isreal. What ? Should I say Canada? Okay we will also send the message not to ____ with Canada either.
;p
For quite a while I wasn't that crazy about Hillary Clinton running for President in 2008 because of her position on the war on Iraq but now I see by the things she saying and doing that she is at last starting to listen to the liberal voices of America. I was also talking about this with my cousin about Hillary running and she made a good point when she said to me if Hillary wins that means we also get Bill Clinton back as part of the package and even though that should've been obvious to me I never really looked at that way before so between that and the fact that she is starting to listen to what us liberals have complained about Hillary in 2008 doesn't sound so bad afterall. If she makes it to the primary like I think she will I will support her. It's too bad Barbara Boxer wasn't running I think she would've made a great President, Nancy Pelosi is great too.
Even Israelis see Israeli military action as a problem. This is why members of the Israeli Airforce went on strike in 2003. They were protesting renewed attacks inside the Gaza Strip which were not only in violation of the cease-fire but were antagonistic in nature because they nearly always resulted in the death of innocent inhabitants in addition to those targetted.
Protests over Chinese missile
China faces condemnation after revelations that it launched a missile attack on an ageing weather satellite. Read more:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1994753,00.html
You're right my enemy , you are so smart .. I am very much a fake azz liar, and im not so proud of it in this day and age. I am a black, UNCLE TOM .(Im Very proud of that) It cracks me up inside how my Republican party is so divided and not United. Our President (My MASSAH) understand radica islam. Its to bad that my fellow dems don't. I did not vote , I do belive in this MADE UP fight against the radical that want us all dead. The aryan Nation and Ku Klux Klan is very real and very true and the dems in office understand this fact. They ( THE KLAN and Plantation Blacks) will let ya'll think WE not behind Mr CHIMP, but we are.Posted by FakeAzzDemAndFakeAzzBrutha on January 20, 2007 at 05:42 PM
Why are you spilling out you're soul to me?
Mexico is our ally? Then why won't they do something to prevent the shipments of drugs and the flow of illegals into this country? They prevent all that they want to prevent along their southern border.
We wouldn't stand by and watch these nations kill innocent inhabitants of another land without offering some constructive criticism either.
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Bush's actions in Iraq have made it difficult for us to approach a nation such as Israel with any sort of authority, but it must still be done. There was a time when we could ignore this need and a time when many more believed in the Bush approach, but those times are gladly behind us now.
We can approach the issue of Israel with some authority now, and in fact must. Bush put a stop to the Israeli/Palestine peace process. It's up to us to put those plans back into motion and to prevent further deterioration by dealing with the Israeli/Lebanonese issue.
I see the sore loser, sour grape, whinny baby trolls are still here.
Wow, if the latest troll is a marine, then it is really true that the Military has lowered Wayyyy down their IQ intelligence requirements! a few good men????/ Bwhahahahahaha. A man of no honor!
Nothing more than a Racist, too! I find racists are nothing more than low class citizens who must find someone to think lowly of, in order to think they are of any use themselves!
Even Israelis see Israeli military action as a problem. This is why members of the Israeli Airforce went on strike in 2003. They were protesting renewed attacks inside the Gaza Strip which were not only in violation of the cease-fire but were antagonistic in nature because they nearly always resulted in the death of innocent inhabitants in addition to those targetted.Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:50 PM
I think Israel can take care of her self more than we give her credit for. The opposite is true for us right now. Israel has an effective anti-missle kind of weaponory that they were trying to get a contract with american so we can keep our soldiers safe but guess what? Some stupid azz fool said "Un No!" I want my friends over at Raydon to get the contract and take several more years to get the same technology that Israel has right now because I'm a stupid racist anti-semectic fooooollll"
Looks like Brownie is out there shinning the light on what really went on with katrina. Too bad that Bush cut out that money for levee repair, and the flooding from those was worse than the actual Hurricane.
"NEW YORK (AP) -- Party politics played a role in decisions over whether to take federal control of Louisiana and other areas affected by Hurricane Katrina, former FEMA director Michael Brown said Friday.
Some in the White House suggested only Louisiana should be federalized because it was run by a Democrat, Gov. Kathleen Blanco, Brown told a group of graduate students at a lecture on politics and emergency management at Metropolitan College of New York.
Brown said he had recommended to President Bush that all 90,000 square miles along the Gulf Coast affected by the hurricane be federalized, making the federal government in charge of all agencies responding to the disaster.
''Unbeknownst to me, certain people in the White House were thinking 'We had to federalize Louisiana because she's a white, female Democratic governor and we have a chance to rub her nose in it,'' he said.
Nothing more than a Racist, too! I find racists are nothing more than low class citizens who must find someone to think lowly of, in order to think they are of any use themselves!Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 06:07 PM
No. That's probally Frosty faking it again. He thinks because I'm Black too, I'm supposed to go "Oh. Well then I better stop being so mean to you"
LOL.
FOS,
you will find this snopes rebuttal of the claim about Obama being a radical ideological muslim of great interest. They go into all the reasons this current email is a lie.
George W. Bush proved that anyone, no matter how dopey or foolish, can be elected the President.
Paraphrasing -- Posted by TheRightHonorable*Frosty* on January 20, 2007 at 04:16 PM --of course!!;)
A really interesting article on global warming:
"We're used to hearing about ice cores and what they reveal about the record of temperatures, but in this case a team of scientists dug down into the mud to see what they could learn about conditions over the last 10,000 years. What they found is that conditions on Baffin Island have been anything but stable, with local temperatures sailing up and down two to six times the global average.
"The magnitude of warmth over the past 100 years seems pretty exceptional in the context of the past 1,000 years. Whereas maybe an average of all of the instrument data from the globe shows just a half a degree increase in this century, in the Arctic, temperatures went up by two to three degrees in the same period," he said.
Earlier this week, news from Baffin Island's northeast neighbor, Greenland, also showed that conditions there were in a rapid state of flux. Glaciers are retreating and sea ice disappearing to the extent that northern sailors have found themselves in the odd position of becoming modern Leif Ericsons, discovering new islands revealed by the retreating ice.
Cartographers can't keep up. Several new islands in Greenland have been recently uncovered, literally. And there's at least one new island in Norway's Svalbard archipelago. And while new land shows up above sea level, what's happening under the waves is equally interesting.
Parts of the North Atlantic are setting winter heat records, allowing species ranging from swordfish to jellyfish to thrive beyond their normal ranges in a shift linked by many scientists to global warming.
href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/20/103945/472">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/20/103945/472
TheRightHonorable*Frosty*
From the ridiculous to the absurd
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 06:15 PM
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(Hugs)
Thank you for this post.
Hillary Rodham Clinton is an evil lying BITCH with coward racists running her campaign and now, it' really on. I'm gonna dig up every single piece of dirt I can on her. She is OFFICIALLY as of right now LOATHED by me. She is now another,
JOE
JUDAS
LEIBERMANN
and I hate her.
FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:23 PM,
Use a little Zen logic, the more we fight radical Islam, militarily, the stronger radical Islam becomes.
Example: After the death of Christ it took over 400 years of persecution before Christianity was recognized as a religion by the Roman government. All the blood shed to squash Christianity in fact only made Christianity stronger.
Now, why do you want to strengthen the resolve of extremist Islamics by continuing our military activity in their holy war?
OH, please , don't embarass yourself with More predictions. I think you got laughed at enough, !!!!!
You are welcome, FOS.
Looks like not just Democrats projecting 2008 will be another Very Good Year !
Departing Chief Warns G.O.P. on Outlook for 2008 Races
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: January 19, 2007
WASHINGTON, Jan. 18 — Ken Mehlman, the departing chairman of the Republican National Committee, warned on Thursday that his party would suffer even more devastating losses in 2008 than it did in 2006 if it did not reach out to minorities and address voter concerns about ethics.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/washington/19repubs.html?_r=2&ref=politics&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:38 PM,
Saudi Arabian!
The minority staff of the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, under the leadership of Congressman John Conyers (D., Mich.) has produced over the past many months a staggering report, just released, which documents the hard evidence of crimes and abuses committed by President Bush and his administration (breaking 26 specific laws). This report, "The Constitution in Crisis," should provide the raw material for numerous news reports and point reporters toward fertile ground for additional investigations.
Please take a look:
As President Bush kicks off his latest PR campaign in an attempt to regain public support for his failed policies in Iraq and the war on terror leading into the midterm elections, a new document from DNC research outlines how the Bush Administration's policies have made America less safe at home and around the world.
Fos, btw, I read an article the other day, which said that it was not Clinton's campaign who had started that rumor about Obama. Appeared that someone wanted to start a Dem fight. I will see if I can find it.
Here's another Snopes article with the Facts, peeps, just the facts:
Bill Clinton has been quietly doing away with those who oppose him.
Status: False.
Origins: A new version of a lengthy list of deaths associated with Bill Clinton began circulating on the Internet in August 1998. According to it,
there have been close to fifty suspicious deaths of colleagues, advisors and citizens who were about to testify against the Clintons, with the unstated implication that Bill Clinton or his henchmen were behind each untimely demise.
We shouldn't have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will anyway. In a frenzied media climate where the Chief Executive couldn't boff a White House intern without the whole world finding out every niggling detail of each encounter and demanding his removal from office, are we seriously to believe the same man had been having double handfuls of detractors and former friends murdered with impunity?
As you know,Hillary Clinton is kicking off her campaign for the 2008 presidential election today. Beginning with three live webcasts, she promises to answer our questions on January 22, 23, and 24 at 7 p.m. EST.
You may be interested in joining at least one of these webcasts. You can learn more here: