Real Weekend Open Thread
Hope y'all are having a good one -- don't forget the Bears play tomorrow -- Go BEARS!!
This is an open thread...
[Update by Tracy]: Happy Birthday to Christy McConville!
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From the Last weekend open thread:
Rogue2,
Could you please define 'fairly'? It is the capitalist' mindset that since they provide the resources for many to maintain a living, no matter how loosely they define 'living', that it is only 'fair' that they (the capitalist') enjoy more benefits from the fruits of their capital. So, what is fair, and whose definition should hold precedence in defining all of societies health care needs?
Posted by davidual on January 20, 2007 at 12:24 PM
...and I will try to proofread better to eliminate the typos!:)
Go Bears!!!!!
Go Bears!!!!!
Now, I have to ask the question of the hour:
Clinton or Obama in '08?
More importantly (Seriously, guys):
What would Bill be called if Hillary wins. Is it first man, first gentleman, first husband..., I don't think "first lady" would be very much appreciated.
Dav, the Capitalist/Bankers and management have/has increased their take of the fruits of labor hugely in the last 30 years. Going back to the days of the robber barons of the 19th and early 20th cen. Labor has no leverage. Too much cheap labor now available in developing countries and transportation and communication very cheap and available. Such is war.
Kristen...I'm afraid when we get the details, it will just be some more on Bush's old shell game....
Tax credit?..How? Against gross income?...pretax income?...If it costs you $4,8oo per year for even marginal coverage for a family of 4 and you get a 10% credit, even dollar for dollar, thats $480 per years....not much help for a family with combined income of $35,000 per year. Doubtful if they could afford it....Of the $4,800 year premium, 25% goes for "administrative costs" including the salaries and bonus of those trained to denigh our claims as well as million dollar bonus for HMO CEOs....The whole system is top heavy with overhead/duplication of expense and fraud in the claims process. The only answer I like is single payor...If its done right, should save money but that will be hard to do if private ibsurance companies are involved....but I respect your opinion.
At the risk of sounding prejudiced I would side with the slave owners of the south in terms of maintaining the health of their human resources (in their case investment). But does that mean that if you don't work, or are between employers that your health is insignificant?
For that matter, for the past 20 years there has been the objective of creating more health care programs for children. These programs are purely political by nature as no politician desires to allow innocent children not having health care. However, how can parents raise healthy children if they cannot maintain ther own health, to maintain employment, to maintain healthy homes for their children?
Henceforth, there have been too many stop gap programs, which are designed for purely political gain, that balance the desires of the insurance portfolios with the politicians ability to stay in office. What we need now, just as much as we needed then, is a comprehensive health system overhaul. One in which will allow every citizen in this country access to health care.
Essie,
I'll bet your chili is great. I made some a couple of weeks ago without the beans and put too much onion in it.
We pour the chili over tamales. It's a great combination.
Of course, then we have the other objective of the empolyers that are providing health care benefits, and I mean good health care benefits, to their employees only to find themselves at a competitive disadvantage in the marketplace. This is just another reason the health care benefit playing field needs to be leveled, so some dubious employers (walmart?) cannot maintain a competitive advantage over the employers that are trying to do it right.
anyone here planning on going to this? I am kicking it around.
Protesters Will Urge Congress to Stand Up to Bush
Peace march expected to be among largest since war began.
New York, New York - Americans angered by Bush's plans to escalate the Iraq war will flood the streets of Washington on Saturday, January 27, in a massive national peace march organized by United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ). Marchers will call on Congress to listen to the voters, not Bush, by using its power to end Bush's war and bring the troops home. The last three national marches organized by UFPJ each attracted between 300,000 and 500,000 people.
John Boy
Yeah, we are still getting pounded alright. We are supposed to have another 1 to 3 inches before noon. WeatherBug.com shows some huge cells over Oklahoma and the Texas Panhandle heading into Missouri and Kansas.
I was wondering where that girl got away. All I heard that it was New Mexico. Do you think it could be one of those repug pedophiles that kidnapped the girl? We have them on the run.
John Boy-
I am furious about the clowns health care proposals. You're correct. Only people earning big bucks can afford health insurance unless it is provided by their employer. Even then it is getting very expensive. People earning minimum wage are screwed.
I'll bet Congress will all have their health coverage including all their aids. If they eliminate our employee health coverage we need to eliminate them at the ballot box.
The clown and the face shooter are trying to do away with employer provided health insurance.
We must have universal health care.
PamB,
I would love to go to this, but as usual if it isn't work schedules that hold me back,then it is the lack of work shedules, and henceforth, no money. I would like to take my son down there, so he can get the feeling of being a little more active than his dad ever was.:\
BREAKING NEWS
Updated: 18 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A U.S. helicopter crashed Saturday northeast of Baghdad, killing all 13 people on board, the military said.
At the risk of sounding prejudiced I would side with the slave owners of the south in terms of maintaining the health of their human resources (in their case investment). But does that mean that if you don't work, or are between employers that your health is insignificant? Posted by davidual on January 20, 2007 at 12:47 PM
If only slaveholders had done what they claimed.
Often old and infirmed slaves often were given "freedom" and left to fend for themselves.
Jacque, I, too, paid over $40 the other day to fill my tank again. (and I was only down to 1/4 tank). This is a hell of a lot more expensive than we were paying a year or so ago.
Has nothing to do with price per gallon, has to do with how much is available, via OPEC .
How many times does the troll have to be told not to judge what is Reality in the USA, on what is going on in the anal opening of the world---i.e. his little corner of MN! WTF is a Walmart card?
Walmart = Anti-American buying Chinese products, satisfied with poor quality products, anti civil rights, etc, to gain a dollar extra in one's wallet! We will soon be the United States of China! Latest TIME mag has an article on the 'new superpower rising in the East" and describes how fueled by its astonishing economic success, China is flexing its muscles from N. Korea to Africa. Keep helping them achieve superiority over us!
Bill would be "First Groper".
Which is still an improvement over the FIRST DOPER we have now.
DPD,
She's a doper alright. Who in their right mind would stay with that drunken, arrogant, moron SOB
unless they were a moron too.
I see the spokesliar was threatening China yesterday after they launched that satellite killer missile.
cheney will probably order the rest of our battle groups to the sea off Taiwan thereby starting another arms race.
That's nothing. Our current dope has a brother who cheated the American taxpayer out of Billions in the Savings and Loan Scandal.
Our current dope let Enron skate without paying back the Billions they stole from their employees and stockholders.
Salute,
Isn't Bremmer the one that was saying yesterday that we have to "eliminate" Social Security and Medicare before it costs the country too much. The old people are going to cost us too much.
Is he another one of those cheap bastard repugs?
brownback is running. i really hope the wing nuts go with him. he is the darling of the redstate folks. here is one of his brilliant statements:
"Search the record of history. To walk away from the Almighty is to embrace decline for a nation," Brownback said. "To embrace Him leads to renewal, for individuals and for nations."
yes it did wonders for afganistan under the taliban. oh please let this cretin from kansas be the republican candidate. i bet the ideal ticket for them would be brownback/delay.
The Enron chiefs screwed California ratepayers in 2001 after your asshole buddy bush was appointed president. bush didn't do shit about it because California voted for Gore.
California forked out Billions to bail out the PG&E ratepayers. We will never see a dime of our money.
Skilling and the other asshole probably sent much of the money to the Carman Islands in their wife's names.
Furthermore, a repug judge in Texas said the we couldn't touch "skillings" money since he is dead. What a load of crap.
john, i am ignoring the u no what but here are some wonderful new poll numbers from newsweek:
9. On another subject, do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?
Approve 31%
Disapprove 62%
DK 7%
...this is the lowest it has ever been. i hope he can get below 30 before he his term is up or he is arrested and put in chains. for the rest of the poll stuff:
Dirge for a ‘Surge’In the latest NEWSWEEK poll Bush’s approval rating remains at its all-time low as his plan to increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq is met with widespread disapproval.
TheRightHonorable*Frosty* on January 20, 2007 at 01:41 PM:
Brainfreeze,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH!!
You are the epitome of a fool that always, and I mean always, skates back to blaming the Clinton Administration for everything that happened from 1/1/1992 - 9/11/2001.
So, brainfreeze, what's going to happen when our current Idiot-in-Chief is out of office? Hmmm? I suppose, especially when we have a Democratic president, that everything that happened from 9/11/2001 - 2/1/2016 you will blame this new administration's negligence. Also, the Democratic Congress for refusing to pour more gasoline on Bush's conflagration in Iraq.
Gregg,
Sorry, I donate my Frosty(R) to Americas Second Harvest, Heat or Eat program.
One can only hold the comment for so long, ya know?
Skilling ain't dead, neither is Kenny boy. He's hiding out in South America on the Bush / Moon compound.
DPD on January 20, 2007 at 02:06 PM,
In which respect, did anybody really ever leave the building?
david, we all weaken on occasion. do 90 meetings in 90 days and get back on the righteous path!
i am looking foward to bush's state of the nation speech this week. it should be hyesterical. pelosi looking over his shoulder, that fat asshole hastert in the bleachers and webb carving the dummie a new asshole when its over!
bbl, probably much later, so I guess in blogoshere that would be bbpml?
TT here is the link to redstate, they want you to join their brownback cheeleaders for the lord team! take that asshole sally with you.
home, home on the stange
lest we forget:
"The Republicans will hold a 4 seat advantage in both the House and the Senate.
That prediction may change again but one thing is certain - it will not be a blowout year for either side.
Posted by FrostyPumpkins on November 2, 2006 at 03:21 AM"
hahahaha
TsunamiTuesday on January 20, 2007 at 02:15 PM,
Isthis what you're looking for?
Shifting greater responsibility to the Iraqis for their security and transitioning the principal mission of our forces from combat to training, logistics, force protection, and counter terrorism operations;
Beginning the phased redeployment of our forces in the next four to six months; and
Implementing an aggressive diplomatic strategy, both within the region and beyond, which reflects the continuing obligation of the international community to help stabilize Iraq and which assists the Iraqis in achieving a sustainable political settlement, including by amending their constitution.
Probably, not!!:/
bbl,pml!!;)
Check out the home pages of Kerry, Murtha, Feingold, Hagel, the ISG, or just Google "Democrats Plan for Iraq".
Just because there are MANY plans put forth over the years doesn't mean as the Pugs like to say that since there are many, there isn't ONE.
The Boston Globe weighs in on this.
Democrats may unite on plan to pull troops
See Iraq withdrawal, deployment in region
Also, NOBODY has the authority to order troop movements except the Sec of Defense and the alcoholic crack head in the White House. PERIOD. So it doesn't matter WHAT the Dems plans are, because Little Prince Georgie won't put down the Jack and Crack long enough to read them.
from the associated baptist press:
Evangelicals join with scientists in fight against global warming
By Robert Marus
Published January 19, 2007
WASHINGTON (ABP) -- A new alliance between prominent evangelical leaders and their secular scientific counterparts to fight global warming is drawing bipartisan support in Washington -- but also has some evangelical detractors.
A coalition of 28 scientists, theologians, ethicists and pastors announced a new collaborative effort on human-caused climate change during a Jan. 16 press conference in Washington. The event marks an escalation in the budding evangelical environmental movement and signals a willingness for some scientists and conservative Christians to put aside their differences over how and when creation came about in order to prevent its premature end.
The group outlined its concerns in a document called “An Urgent Call to Action” and addressed to President Bush, political leaders and evangelical and scientific communities.
"We agree that our home, the earth, which comes to us as that inexpressibly beautiful and mysterious gift that sustains our very lives, is seriously imperiled by human behavior," the statement read. "The harm is seen throughout the natural world, including a cascading set of problems such as climate change, habitat destruction, pollution, and species extinction, as well as the spread of infectious diseases, and other accelerating threats to the health of people and the well-being of societies. Each particular problem could be enumerated, but here it is enough to say that we are gradually destroying the sustaining community of life on which all living things on Earth depend."
The letter's signers include Eric Chivian, Nobel laureate and director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School; Rich Cizik, vice-president for governmental affairs at the National Association of Evangelicals; NASA climatologist James Hansen, and Joel Hunter, the pastor of a megachurch near Orlando. Hunter recently declined to become the president of the Christian Coalition after disputes with the group's board over broadening its focus to include environmentalism, among other things.
Among the signers is Associated Baptist Press columnist David Gushee, who is a Christian ethics professor at Union University...
Here ya go, TT. An entire Dem website dedicated to Prince Georgie's War.
Democrats Focused on Plan for Iraq
Sorry, but I couldn't find a similar resource at GOP dot com.
DPD,
Skilling ain't dead, neither is Kenny boy. He's hiding out in South America on the Bush / Moon compound.
I wonder if Hitler and Goebels are hiding out there too.
Gregg,
Sorry I have just reached the end of my rope with these repugs. bush and cheney can't be arrested and sent to the Hague soon enough for me.
Gregg..re 2:15 PM Post...me to, me to,...it will be a blood letting....thanks for the pitcher of martunis you sent earlier, me and "Buddy" are getting mellow.....did you get rid of the nuts from the nut house or are they still in the root cellar?....
Did anybody see the "OMG!!! Hillary taped her announcement some time ago, so therefore she can't be trusted to start any more wars", (or something like that) histrionics going on in the land of the wingnuts?
From a link @ TBOGG Let's Go to the Video: When and Where Did Hillary Tape 'I'm In' Announcement?
And just where ARE those WMD that the Pugs KNOW the location of? (West, East, South and North of Baghdad, somewhat).
JohnE....Sorry I took so long to get back to you....I don't remember what they said about the cretin that took the girl....if I hear anything,I'll get back with you.....John Boy...
Cheney would require a case of Pork and Beans and a box of ex-lax.
james spann, allworship.com, grew up near druid high school ( which could explain alot ) and king of the cutting edge mid-alabama broadcast universe. give me a break!
gregg, would the Druid HS you mentioned be in Tuscaloosa? There was one there when I attended U of A /Was named after the Brit Druids liked trees
An ahole, evangelical repug from Kansas is going to run for President.
"Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., began a long-shot bid for president on Saturday, hoping his reputation as a favorite son of the religious right can help him outdistance better known rivals".
He will probably get two votes. His vote and his dog's vote.
ABC Falsely Claims Pelosi Opposes Cutting Funds For Iraq Escalation
Boy, the rodent network REALLY needs a slew of License challenges. January is the time for filings. Check your local ABC / Disney station to see if they are up for renewal this year.
FCC License Challenge Database
Print out forms available here:
Filing a Complaint with the FCC is Easy
He will probably get two votes. His vote and his dog's vote.
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 20, 2007 at 03:48 PM
Looks like today is "I'm In" for all the fakes.
Hillary. She looked like she was doing a QVC Announcement. I was wondering when she was going to show me a pair of Cubic Zirconia earings.
Hi again, DPD, Gregg, etal
Here's ABC's contact form to send them a correction to their distortions about Pelosi.
http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html
hey gregg,
that redstate.org site was a laugh a minute, especially the night of November 7th, as the Democratic victories were rolling in. Did you see those guys predictions the days before the election? I LMAO! Talk about what planet these guys live on! Couldn't believe how out of touch these people are!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Christy. Go Bears!!! And if the Saints win, well that's not such a bad outcome either.
Posted by FakeDem on January 20, 2007 at 03:57 PM
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Why don't you go ____ _______? Since I'm sure noone else on this planet would dare. Hey, guess what ? The polls show that the American people want a Democratic President in 2008 over a Republican by 25 points.Looks like you're party sucks. That explains why you keep trying to hang out over here.Doesn't it troll?
'p
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 03:57 PM
Good, as long as an obvious Pug finally admitted that THEY are ALL yellow spineless moochers, why don't you end both your and our misery and tie a rope around your neck and jump off a bridge?
I'll bring popcorn. Say around nine-ish?
Posted by dorsano on January 20, 2007 at 04:02 PM
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Hi Dors,
I'm torn between the Saints and the Bears because of NOLA and Obama. Technically, Green Bay is supposed to be utter rivals all the way, but since we're out, I could be nice. I don't know the rules.
HI FOS,
I am just reading the TIME mag which just came in today's mail. There is an article in it on whether Obama can win the Presidency, with what people are claiming is his in-experience. You should read it. Says absolutely he could win. That although Americans like experience, American history proves he probably could win.
There is another one written by William Kristol (yuk), about Hillary Clinton and what will be her Iraq Shuffle. He ends on the note that she may be able to win the nomination, BUT is worrying about Gore! Now personally, I think that is a crock!
Hi, pam & FOS! Since so far it's Hillary, '08ama (cute, huh? I got it from an editorial cartoon somewhere), Richardson, Edwards, etc., etc., etc., and the Pubies have ______?_____ (click for audio list, it's too long) I guess we will be "visited" by the brain dead for the next 20 or so years.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 03:59 PM
Hillary's a tough woman. She survived a nasty hate campaign conducted at tax payer expense and came out stronger at the end. Those who took part against her believed that everything was fair game including her bra size, what side of the bed she sleeps on, and her daughter.
In the end, the country grew disgusted with the attacks. Obama talks about that in his book.
No need to keep changing your username TROLL. Like we don't know it's you tard. I'm so glad I have a home computer now. As of Tuesday, I will be kicking your troll butt all day long.
Bwaaahhaaaahaaaaaa!
Loser!
BTW, Everyone. Go check out Huff Po. They are talking about Obama and Edwards and Martha Stewart, I mean, Hillary Clinton.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 04:09 PM I don't know the rules.
You're free to vote your conscience on this one. :)
boy, these sour grape, sore losers just keep slithering in, don't they? Probably another one of the deadbeats from Red State blog, predicting the Repubs would not lose more than 4 or 5 seats in the election! snicker, snicker..........
I say only send Republicans in this next escalation, and only tax them also, for the cost of their Illegal occupation of a country that was absolutely no threat to us !
Washington - The steadily rising Iraq war price tag will reach about $8.4 billion a month this year, Pentagon spokesmen said on Thursday, as heavy replacement costs for lost, destroyed and aging equipment mount.
The Pentagon has been estimating last year's costs for the increasingly unpopular war at about $8 billion a month, having increased from a monthly "burn rate" of around $4.4 billion during the first year of fighting in fiscal 2003.
Oh, gee. First in his class at Anapolis versus drunk, coked up and AWOL from the Champagne Unit of TANG.
Invented the Nuclear Submarine, versus coming up with new ways to rape minors.
Brokered the Camp David Peace Accords, which are still in effect, versus starting a regional war and trashing over 200 years of alliances and universal good will just because of a refusal to act like an adult. (And drunk at the time, too(.
Yeah, Little Prince Georgie is a REAL winner, versus Carter.
Posted by DPD on January 20, 2007 at 04:14 PM
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The Republicans know they are gonna lose this time. They are runing for 2010 or for re-election to the Senate 2008. Remember, they have 21 Senate seats up in 2008 and ummmm, that's gonna be really fun because we get two treats. We keep the Senate and we get to tell Lieberman to kiss our Liberal ___ because he won't be the deciding vote. We're gonna pick up at least 15/20 more seats.
I LOVE Barack Obama as you can already tell. I'm remaining faithful. Also, as much as I have some issues with the South, I'm pickinh John Edwards over Hillary Clinton. That's how much I hate that fake "pity me" little _____!
Plus, JE doesn't act like he's from the South. The only thing Southern about him is the way he said "and..." . he sirta sounds like Forrest Gump, but in a cute way.
;p
Let them all go and sign up for this one, too!!!!
"Washington - U.S. contingency planning for military action against Iran's nuclear program goes beyond limited strikes and would effectively unleash a war against the country, a former U.S. intelligence analyst said on Friday.
"I've seen some of the planning ... You're not talking about a surgical strike," said Wayne White, who was a top Middle East analyst for the State Department's bureau of intelligence and research until March 2005.
"You're talking about a war against Iran" that likely would destabilize the Middle East for years, White told the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington think
What flavor koolaid was that you were drinking there , Loser ???
There WERE no terrorists nor radical Islamics in Iraq under Hussein ! There WERE no WMDs. There WERE no Al Qaeda nor Taliban connections. There was no 9/11 connection.
The absolute ignorance of these guys just boggles the mind! they don't read a single freaken thing! Limbaugh and Fox are their Bibles!
...DPD- I'm confused
Just Google. Sometimes newspapers change their featured stories, and since I went to the direct paper link, it may have been moved down the list.
Try using their archives or cached pages.
BBL
This latest TIME has another article on China and how sucessful they are. HONG KONG SOARS.
Seems the entire world is turning to Hong Kong for their Financial community. "More and more money will come to Hong Kong to get closer to Chinese assets".
Maybe when Bush is out, and the Dems have control of it all, we can finally bring this country back to the greatness it once had.
$8.4 BILLION a month spent on a useless occupation though is crippling us.
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 04:29 PM The absolute ignorance of these guys just boggles the mind! they don't read a single freaken thing!
Moonbats don't read, Pam. They just bark and poop all over the belfry.
Speaking of sore losers, don't you feel kind of foolish for spending all that time trying "to make a difference" on the Lamont campaign only to have him lose big time and in the end you made no differnce at all?
I told you before. The Alzheimers must be setting in! I am PROUD to have worked on Lamont, and been part of the original move towards the Anti-War movement that carried the Dems into power!!! Lamont helped bring national recognition to the fact that this Invasion must end! I would not take back one single minute, one single dollar I spent on this campaign.
btw, you are so passionate about your Right wing moonbat position, who WAS it you were working with in the election? How much money did YOU spend at the RNC or candidates? oooops, forgot. You don't work !
Oh, I can't wait till 2008. See? When we have 70 Democrats 60 real Dems / 10 Fake ass Dixicrats , coupled with a majority in the House and A Democratic President, do you trolls understand that it will be the political DEATH of the Republican Party? It's over for ya'll. Totally over. We're gonna tax the hell out of you big corporate doners. Fox News ratings will plummet. You will have nothing and nobody. it's over for you all.
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:33 PM I just want someone who will fight the crazy radicals.
I think the best thing to do with Rush, Coulter, Malkin, Hannity and some of the Bush Administration is to send them to Armenia on an intelligence gathering expedition.
Speaking of sore losers, don't you feel kind of foolish for spending all that time trying "to make a difference" on the Lamont campaign only to have him lose big time and in the end you made no differnce at all?
IDIOT!
THE BLOGGERS DID NOT CHOOSE HIM. HE DECIDED TO RUN AND WE BACKED HIM BECAUSE WE HATED JOE LIEBERMAN AND THE DUDE MESSED UP WHEN HE WENT AND TOOK A BREAK. WHEN WE PICK OUR OWN CANDIDATE, HE WILL BE IN IT TO WIN AND WILL KICK SOME SERIOUS AZZ.
21 REPUBLICAN SEATS UP FOR GRABS IN 2008!
YOU GUYS ARE DEAD!
now this one made me LOL. Husband wants to know what is so funny!
Hey Cyn and any other uninsureds out there. Why don't you email the WH (commentsatwhitehouse.gov)and let Bush know how that trying to find individual health insurance is going for you!! The ungodly Price plus acceptance into any plan if you have so much as a hang nail pre-existing!!!
"WASHINGTON - President Bush will propose a tax deduction of $7,500 for individuals and $15,000 for families regardless of whether they buy their own health insurance or receive medical coverage at work.
The proposal, to be announced Tuesday in his State of the Union address, is aimed at giving the uninsured an incentive to purchase a medical plan.
Sorry to leave you ladies. Have fun. Don't worry about cleaning up. We can have the cleaning crew come in and disinfect things. Plus, we can order out dinner.
Where do Bush supporters come up with the intel used to justify our continued involvement in Iraq? They make it up.
It's as simple that. You need a new reason to be in Iraq after the old reason has been disproven so you fabricate one. We've all seen it time time again. Claims are made, the semblance of proof is provided, and those on the Bush team embrace it. There was never the intention to provide damning evidence because you simply didn't need to have to convince these sheep to stand with you.
who were the 18 peope that crashed airplans into building?
duhhhh, there were Saudi Arabians!!! Financed by Bin Laden, Leader of AlQaeda!!!
Now YOU really got to be shitting us that you could POSSIBLY be THAT stupid and out of it!
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 04:43 PM Where do Bush supporters come up with the intel used to justify our continued involvement in Iraq? They make it up.
What's even more puzzling to me is why people who think all Muslims are out to get them wanted to liberate 20 million of them.
So, you are proud to be a loser.
spoken by one who has always been a loser, and will die all alone in the woods , a loser !
My candidate won, by helping 28 Democratic House Reps win, and 6 Senators win! You know you are speaking out your ass, there old man !
What were those off the wall, ridiculous predictions You were making here for weeks before the election? hahahaha ! I would stop right here if I were you. You look foolish enough!
So where do we go from here? First of all we've got to show the American people just how much they have been misled with respect to Iran. Iran was our ally in the War on Terror until Bush decided to force the issue of Iraq. You see France was not the only nation opposed to the invasion, some nations were much closer and their lack of support should have been considered because it would influence the War on Terror itself. Just look at how much worse the problem becomes once you put Iran on the side of terrorists rather than on the side of the United States.
Now all that occured between the United States and Iran in the past five years has been influence by the decision to ignore Iranian rejections to the invasion of Iraq. Here too a story regarding the assumed intensions of Iran concerning nuclear material was manufactured with the intent of destroying Iranian credibility in the region. Destroy Iran's credibility and they are not called in to assist in Iraq and so do not make political and economic inroads there.
No organization with access to Iranian facilities was able to confirm claims made by the Bush administration. Since that time, the Bush administration has destroyed diplomacy concerning that matter and led Iranians to kick out those agencies.
It is important to understand this reality. Bush and company are telling a story about Iran, one that is as believable as the story told about Iraq but no more based in reality than it was. Once again, if the Bush administration actually had solid evidence they would not be telling stories but presenting that evidence.
This is what Dems sound like. what a joke...
Can dems blog about anything else?
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:48 PM
eww, eww, it sure does hurt , doesn't it Repug?
like salt in the wound ! You lost, get over it! And you are going to lose a lot more in 2008, with 21 (count them) more Repugs, (corrupt, Perverts, rubber stampers) coming up for re election.
Ahhhhh, we are still feeling the ectasy, two months after the big WIN!!!
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 04:41 PM
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I'm single, 32 and make under 30,000 a year and guess what they wanted from me to give me Heath Coverage that did not include hardly anything?
$559.00 a MONTH. Now, you know how much the government steals from us single people? I get no tax breaks. I have no children. I get no cuts, I don't qualify for jack smak assistance. I pay medical insurance for someone else out of my checks. I pay Social Secuity for someone else out of my checks. I don't know what the heck FISA is for. I have bills too and I have to pay for everything on my own. I don't have anyone else's income to suplement mine on. I don't "choose' to work. I have to work. I have to get there. I have to eat. I have to pay rent. I have to pay cable , phone, ect. They expect me to pay $ 559.00 a MONTh just in CASE I get hurt? As _______ if!
I would love to tell George Bush that strait to his pasty pink ugly ___ face so I can spit at him and pretend it was an accident.
;p
U.S. helicopter crash near Baghdad kills 13
BAGHDAD -- A U.S. helicopter crashed northeast of Baghdad today, killing all 13 crewmembers and passengers aboard, the military said.
The U.S. military also reported the deaths of three other troops in insurgent violence elsewhere in Iraq.
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The cause of the crash was under investigation and the names of the victims were being withheld pending notification of next of kin. But one Iraqi witness who spoke on condition of anonymity claimed the chopper was felled by ground fire. The U.S. military could not confirm that account.
Posted by dorsano on January 20, 2007 at 04:48 PM
What's even more puzzling to me is why people who think all Muslims are out to get them wanted to liberate 20 million of them.
That's a really good question Dorsano. It almost as though their claims were completely insincere. That couldn't be, could it?
What should we have done after the planes? You gotta be one of the stupidest trolls to ever slither in. We should have gone after BIN LADEN, caught him, attacked AlQaeda!
Instead, we PULL out guys out of Afghanistan, and throw them into Iraq where there is no WMDS, No Al Qaeda, Nothing! Bin Laden sure looks healthy and happy in videos, Taliban stronger than ever in Afghanistan, Poppy Crop biggest in history !
I have wasted enough time on sore loser idiots!
One more before I head out to eat !
Bush is a picture of defeat
January 19, 2007
BY ANDREW GREELEY
The presidential address last week was pathetic enough to make one feel sad for the poor dear man, as they say in the old country. With little emotional affect he read a lecture about his ''new strategy,'' which was in fact nothing more than a new tactic, growled at Iran and Syria, threatened the Iraqi government, and promised that the United States would emerge the winner in Iraq.
The notion that 20,000 more American troops would pacify Baghdad was farcical. If one really intended to stop internecine war between two religious tribes, one would have had to promise a lot more Americans. John Keegan, the famous English military historian and commentator, estimated that pacification would take 50,000 troops. Various American military experts suggested that it would require at least 100,000 soldiers and Marines. If one calculates two American soldiers or Marines for every 1,000 people in a city, as does the Army's counter-insurgency manual, 140,000 fighting men (which excludes the half of the troops in Iraq who are not combat soldiers) would be required
http://www.suntimes.com/news/greeley/217426,CST-EDT-GREEL19.article
"It feels so good to be a Dem. We are going to win in 2008. We are sooo smart and great. You right wingers are sooo dumb. Dems rule again. Wow it feels so good. I cant belive how great I feel. We are winners. We will take over"..
This is what Dems sound like. I wish I was smart enough to be one
Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:48 PM
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 20, 2007 at 04:54 PM
It likely doesn't have health care coverage. We'll have to take up a collection. We could try and auction off the Bob Ney and Tom Delay campaign paraphernalia it has in the trunk but I don't think we'll get much for it.
Do you realy think Clinton or Obama will change Helth care for you?
Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:00 PM
Clinton can't do jack smak for me. President Obama will sign , into LAW, the Bill that CONGRESS will PASS that will change Health care for me.
'p
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:03 PM
eviscerate him and bury him in pig shit.
Here's a better question. Who failed to put into place procedures we knew were necessary to prevent the attacks of 9/11 from ever occuring?
Here's some reality for you all. We knew that Osama bin Laden was considering using aircraft in an attack on the United States as far back as 1993. (This is as far back as I trace my personal knowledge of this matter, though it may go even further.) This was an evolution of tactics employed by the Palestinian Liberation Organization and other groups who hijacked aircraft with the intension of holding the passengers for ransom. All that was altered is the intension. The planes were now to be hijacked so that the planes themselves might be used as missiles.
Work was done to increase our protection from these plans, but the airlines themselves would not step up to the plate and make the necessary changes to security procedures. Time and time again thier security companies failed inspection.
Do you realy think Clinton or Obama will change Helth care for you?
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:00 PM
I know this question wasn't directed at me, but yes, I think they will find a way to make it more affordable by pushing universal healthcare.
Hi everybody, I'm just dropping by to see if any of you are able to make it to DC next Saturday for the March on Washington?
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 04:56 PM It almost as though their claims were completely insincere. That couldn't be, could it?
I'm actually sort of puzzled by that question too. Did they really think that all Muslims were out to get them and were just played for fools
or do they think that we're fools and will buy into the notion that all Muslims are out to get us. Which would include the Muslims serving in the U.S. Millitary I suppose.
Congress' top 10 list to shape a new visionThe thumping taken by the Republican Congress on Election Day was not just a rejection of K Street corruption and the catastrophe in Iraq. It was a call to action on issues more immediately relevant to people's lives.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi began to answer that call by pushing a "100 Hours" agenda -- including common-sense legislation to increase the minimum wage, cut interest rates on student loans and open the way for Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices.
That's a good beginning, but it's only a down payment on a broader agenda. Progressives now have the opportunity to develop a new vision that returns power to the people for the first time in generations. To-do lists don't add up to a vision. But Democrats must show they are serious by passing bold measures that define a new "people's agenda."
If Bush had been concerned with terrorism when he came to power, then the first thing he would have done is make the necessary changes to prevent these plans from being carried out. Instead he simply increased efforts to destroy the enemy. This was not enough, obviously, and was retarded considering that an attack is more easily prevented at the known source rather than through massive international operations which are more like finding a needle in a haystack than anything.
In the mind of a moonbat when one of something is guilty they all are guilty. Except if the guilty party is a Republican, then he or she is a liberal posing as a Republican.
Bush Administration: Assaulting justice
The government's pursuit of every possible advantage in the prosecution of detainees risks catastrophic consequences for individuals, our concepts of justice and our international standing.
Already shocked by Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo detentions and renditions, international public opinion could turn irrevocably unforgiving over further missteps. Traditional U.S. concepts of justice, fair play and restraint of power are fragile, given to breaking rather than bending to rough treatment...
..The meanest recent kick at the concept of fair play came from Charles Stimson, deputy assistant secretary of defense. He said law firms might lose the business of major corporations for providing legal representation to Guantanamo detainees. The pro bono representation by firms such as Seattle's Perkins Coie is commendable, not worthy of attack.
They are just racist, Dorsano. There isn't any logical reason for it because none exists. Notice that these are the same people who blame the violence in Iraq on 1500 year old differences of opinions that until the Bush invasion did not lead to the violence we see now.
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:12 PM If Bush had been concerned with terrorism when he came to power, then the first thing he would have done is make the necessary changes to prevent these plans from being carried out.
The Bush administration was preoccupied with building a missile defense system.
We should have gone after BIN LADEN, caught him, attacked AlQaeda!
then after we cought Bin Laden. Then what?
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:03 PM
Send the message to Al Queda that we don't ____ around.
Send the message to Hezzbollah that we will kick their ___ if they think about going near Israel.
Send the message to Afhghanistan ans Pakistan that we didn't need their help finding Usama,so whether they want to cooperate with us in fighting Global Terrorism or not, matters not.
Send the message to Somalia and Drafur that we may have underestimated them once, but they better not make us have to go back.
Send the message to any idiots lurking in our own nation that may want to think they can start some ____ on our own soil that if we can do what we did over seas, imagine what our FBI is gonna do to them when we finf them?
We would send the message that America is badass and not to be ______ with. Unfortunatly, the Chimp N Chief , showed everyone in the world our bare ass and now we look like we don't know what the hell we are doing.
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:15 PM They are just racist, Dorsano. There isn't any logical reason for it because none exists.
But then why liberate 20 million of them? Did they think we we're going to over there and just kill everyone and leave the country empty?
Sleeping on the job and spending too much time at the ranch. Do you remember how many of his first days in office were spent at the ranch? This president wasn't noteworthy until after the attacks of 9/11.
It wasn't a sincere jesture, Dorsano. The liberation idea was only a sales scheme, a selling point to be bought up by those who really do care about such things.
Wow, You have it all figured out. Good for you!! now you get a red star, and stick of gum...
Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:08 PM
What can I say? I'm a Progressive.
BTW. I would prefer a BLUE star and an extra credit point. Thank you.
The Dems in office realy don't really want the troops home.
Posted by FakeAzzDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:20 PM
The Dem posting here calling himself a fellow Democrat really isn't really a Democrat.
Has anyone ever notice that 1/10 of a cent really = billions of dollars?? Excellent viewpoints and ideas at http://positivecfc.blogspot.com/
Hillary Clinton launches White House bid: 'I'm in'
Sen. Hillary Clinton jumped into the fray as a 2008 presidential candidate with the words "I'm in" posted on her Web site.
"And I'm in to win," she added in a statement, announcing she has set up an exploratory committee that can gauge opinions and raise money for a presidential campaign. Full Story & Video:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/20/clinton.announcement/index.html
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:21 PM It wasn't a sincere jesture, Dorsano. The liberation idea was only a sales scheme, a selling point to be bought up by those who really do care about such things.
The whole business with Muslims with purple fingers voting for other Muslims?
Sleeping on the job and spending too much time at the ranch. Do you remember how many of his first days in office were spent at the ranch? This president wasn't noteworthy until after the attacks of 9/11.
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:19 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if this idiot started the war and is keeping it going just so he does'nt have to govern the nation.What chu think?
Actually, Freedom, that Israeli issue needs to be addressed. We are not a part of Israel and it is not in our best interests to support Israel in its attempts to compound problems in the Middle East. This is what Israel does every time that they take major military action without concern for innocent inhabitants as they did in Lebanon and inside the Gaza Strip. Simply supporting Israel and noone else is not how we are going to solve the problem, if it was the problem would be solved already.
We instead must hold all sides to a higher standard. We must demand a cease-fire and hold each party accountable. Those individuals who violate the cease-fire must then be rounded up one by one. There is no reason to force a consolidation of power on the side of Palestinians or Lebanese by applying that sort of pressure. You complicate matters rather than improving them through such methods.
Rocket attack on UK base in Basra
Six British soldiers have been hurt after rockets and mortars struck a military base in southern Iraq, the Ministry of Defence has said.
Full Story:
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 05:28 PM I'm beginning to wonder if this idiot started the war and is keeping it going just so he does'nt have to govern the nation.What chu think?
You gonna share some your gum?
Freedom, I honestly don't think that there is enough activity in that man's skull for a concept such as that ever to have formed. At best he is reactive.
Car bomb wounds 5 NATO soldiers in Afghanistan
Five NATO soldiers were wounded in southern Afghanistan on Friday when a car bomb exploded near a convoy, a spokesman said Saturday.
Full Story:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070120/car_bomb_070120/20070120?hub=TopStories
So, By catching Bin Laden. We would have sent a message around the whole world that America is a bad ass. And,
Then we live happily mofo ever after.
I'd really like to see violence in the Middle East finally subside. When it happens it is not going to be as a result of troop buildup, ultimatums, or ally selection. It is going to happen because all involved are truly sick of fighting, period.
DORS,
(tearing it half and giving you a piece)
:)
MARINE,
I'm talking about Israel being our Ally in the same sense as Mexico/ Canada/ England and if we have any other friends, them too. Since all the shet is going down in the Mid East, I say Isreal. What ? Should I say Canada? Okay we will also send the message not to ____ with Canada either.
;p
For quite a while I wasn't that crazy about Hillary Clinton running for President in 2008 because of her position on the war on Iraq but now I see by the things she saying and doing that she is at last starting to listen to the liberal voices of America. I was also talking about this with my cousin about Hillary running and she made a good point when she said to me if Hillary wins that means we also get Bill Clinton back as part of the package and even though that should've been obvious to me I never really looked at that way before so between that and the fact that she is starting to listen to what us liberals have complained about Hillary in 2008 doesn't sound so bad afterall. If she makes it to the primary like I think she will I will support her. It's too bad Barbara Boxer wasn't running I think she would've made a great President, Nancy Pelosi is great too.
Even Israelis see Israeli military action as a problem. This is why members of the Israeli Airforce went on strike in 2003. They were protesting renewed attacks inside the Gaza Strip which were not only in violation of the cease-fire but were antagonistic in nature because they nearly always resulted in the death of innocent inhabitants in addition to those targetted.
Protests over Chinese missile
China faces condemnation after revelations that it launched a missile attack on an ageing weather satellite. Read more:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1994753,00.html
You're right my enemy , you are so smart .. I am very much a fake azz liar, and im not so proud of it in this day and age. I am a black, UNCLE TOM .(Im Very proud of that) It cracks me up inside how my Republican party is so divided and not United. Our President (My MASSAH) understand radica islam. Its to bad that my fellow dems don't. I did not vote , I do belive in this MADE UP fight against the radical that want us all dead. The aryan Nation and Ku Klux Klan is very real and very true and the dems in office understand this fact. They ( THE KLAN and Plantation Blacks) will let ya'll think WE not behind Mr CHIMP, but we are.
Posted by FakeAzzDemAndFakeAzzBrutha on January 20, 2007 at 05:42 PM
Why are you spilling out you're soul to me?
Mexico is our ally? Then why won't they do something to prevent the shipments of drugs and the flow of illegals into this country? They prevent all that they want to prevent along their southern border.
We wouldn't stand by and watch these nations kill innocent inhabitants of another land without offering some constructive criticism either.
*****Reminder For Next Week*****
Be sure to pass the word around, we need to let our voices be heard. Bring the Peace Mandate to D.C. on J27! On Election Day voters delivered an unmistakable mandate for peace. Now it's time for action. Join CODEPINK in a national march to D.C. on January 27-29, to send a strong, clear message to Congress and the Bush Administration: The people of this country want the war and occupation in Iraq to end and we want the troops home now! Click on link below for details:
http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?list=type&type=182
Bush's actions in Iraq have made it difficult for us to approach a nation such as Israel with any sort of authority, but it must still be done. There was a time when we could ignore this need and a time when many more believed in the Bush approach, but those times are gladly behind us now.
We can approach the issue of Israel with some authority now, and in fact must. Bush put a stop to the Israeli/Palestine peace process. It's up to us to put those plans back into motion and to prevent further deterioration by dealing with the Israeli/Lebanonese issue.
I see the sore loser, sour grape, whinny baby trolls are still here.
Wow, if the latest troll is a marine, then it is really true that the Military has lowered Wayyyy down their IQ intelligence requirements! a few good men????/ Bwhahahahahaha. A man of no honor!
Nothing more than a Racist, too! I find racists are nothing more than low class citizens who must find someone to think lowly of, in order to think they are of any use themselves!
Even Israelis see Israeli military action as a problem. This is why members of the Israeli Airforce went on strike in 2003. They were protesting renewed attacks inside the Gaza Strip which were not only in violation of the cease-fire but were antagonistic in nature because they nearly always resulted in the death of innocent inhabitants in addition to those targetted.
Posted by Marine on January 20, 2007 at 05:50 PM
I think Israel can take care of her self more than we give her credit for. The opposite is true for us right now. Israel has an effective anti-missle kind of weaponory that they were trying to get a contract with american so we can keep our soldiers safe but guess what? Some stupid azz fool said "Un No!" I want my friends over at Raydon to get the contract and take several more years to get the same technology that Israel has right now because I'm a stupid racist anti-semectic fooooollll"
Looks like Brownie is out there shinning the light on what really went on with katrina. Too bad that Bush cut out that money for levee repair, and the flooding from those was worse than the actual Hurricane.
"NEW YORK (AP) -- Party politics played a role in decisions over whether to take federal control of Louisiana and other areas affected by Hurricane Katrina, former FEMA director Michael Brown said Friday.
Some in the White House suggested only Louisiana should be federalized because it was run by a Democrat, Gov. Kathleen Blanco, Brown told a group of graduate students at a lecture on politics and emergency management at Metropolitan College of New York.
Brown said he had recommended to President Bush that all 90,000 square miles along the Gulf Coast affected by the hurricane be federalized, making the federal government in charge of all agencies responding to the disaster.
''Unbeknownst to me, certain people in the White House were thinking 'We had to federalize Louisiana because she's a white, female Democratic governor and we have a chance to rub her nose in it,'' he said.
Nothing more than a Racist, too! I find racists are nothing more than low class citizens who must find someone to think lowly of, in order to think they are of any use themselves!
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 06:07 PM
No. That's probally Frosty faking it again. He thinks because I'm Black too, I'm supposed to go "Oh. Well then I better stop being so mean to you"
LOL.
FOS,
you will find this snopes rebuttal of the claim about Obama being a radical ideological muslim of great interest. They go into all the reasons this current email is a lie.
George W. Bush proved that anyone, no matter how dopey or foolish, can be elected the President.
Paraphrasing -- Posted by TheRightHonorable*Frosty* on January 20, 2007 at 04:16 PM --of course!!;)
A really interesting article on global warming:
"We're used to hearing about ice cores and what they reveal about the record of temperatures, but in this case a team of scientists dug down into the mud to see what they could learn about conditions over the last 10,000 years. What they found is that conditions on Baffin Island have been anything but stable, with local temperatures sailing up and down two to six times the global average.
"The magnitude of warmth over the past 100 years seems pretty exceptional in the context of the past 1,000 years. Whereas maybe an average of all of the instrument data from the globe shows just a half a degree increase in this century, in the Arctic, temperatures went up by two to three degrees in the same period," he said.
Earlier this week, news from Baffin Island's northeast neighbor, Greenland, also showed that conditions there were in a rapid state of flux. Glaciers are retreating and sea ice disappearing to the extent that northern sailors have found themselves in the odd position of becoming modern Leif Ericsons, discovering new islands revealed by the retreating ice.
Cartographers can't keep up. Several new islands in Greenland have been recently uncovered, literally. And there's at least one new island in Norway's Svalbard archipelago. And while new land shows up above sea level, what's happening under the waves is equally interesting.
Parts of the North Atlantic are setting winter heat records, allowing species ranging from swordfish to jellyfish to thrive beyond their normal ranges in a shift linked by many scientists to global warming.
href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/20/103945/472">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/20/103945/472
TheRightHonorable*Frosty*
From the ridiculous to the absurd
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 06:15 PM
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(Hugs)
Thank you for this post.
Hillary Rodham Clinton is an evil lying BITCH with coward racists running her campaign and now, it' really on. I'm gonna dig up every single piece of dirt I can on her. She is OFFICIALLY as of right now LOATHED by me. She is now another,
JOE
JUDAS
LEIBERMANN
and I hate her.
FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:23 PM,
Use a little Zen logic, the more we fight radical Islam, militarily, the stronger radical Islam becomes.
Example: After the death of Christ it took over 400 years of persecution before Christianity was recognized as a religion by the Roman government. All the blood shed to squash Christianity in fact only made Christianity stronger.
Now, why do you want to strengthen the resolve of extremist Islamics by continuing our military activity in their holy war?
OH, please , don't embarass yourself with More predictions. I think you got laughed at enough, !!!!!
You are welcome, FOS.
Looks like not just Democrats projecting 2008 will be another Very Good Year !
Departing Chief Warns G.O.P. on Outlook for 2008 Races
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: January 19, 2007
WASHINGTON, Jan. 18 — Ken Mehlman, the departing chairman of the Republican National Committee, warned on Thursday that his party would suffer even more devastating losses in 2008 than it did in 2006 if it did not reach out to minorities and address voter concerns about ethics.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/19/washington/19repubs.html?_r=2&ref=politics&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:38 PM,
Saudi Arabian!
The minority staff of the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, under the leadership of Congressman John Conyers (D., Mich.) has produced over the past many months a staggering report, just released, which documents the hard evidence of crimes and abuses committed by President Bush and his administration (breaking 26 specific laws). This report, "The Constitution in Crisis," should provide the raw material for numerous news reports and point reporters toward fertile ground for additional investigations.
Please take a look:
As President Bush kicks off his latest PR campaign in an attempt to regain public support for his failed policies in Iraq and the war on terror leading into the midterm elections, a new document from DNC research outlines how the Bush Administration's policies have made America less safe at home and around the world.
Fos, btw, I read an article the other day, which said that it was not Clinton's campaign who had started that rumor about Obama. Appeared that someone wanted to start a Dem fight. I will see if I can find it.
Here's another Snopes article with the Facts, peeps, just the facts:
Bill Clinton has been quietly doing away with those who oppose him.
Status: False.
Origins: A new version of a lengthy list of deaths associated with Bill Clinton began circulating on the Internet in August 1998. According to it,
there have been close to fifty suspicious deaths of colleagues, advisors and citizens who were about to testify against the Clintons, with the unstated implication that Bill Clinton or his henchmen were behind each untimely demise.
We shouldn't have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will anyway. In a frenzied media climate where the Chief Executive couldn't boff a White House intern without the whole world finding out every niggling detail of each encounter and demanding his removal from office, are we seriously to believe the same man had been having double handfuls of detractors and former friends murdered with impunity?
As you know,Hillary Clinton is kicking off her campaign for the 2008 presidential election today. Beginning with three live webcasts, she promises to answer our questions on January 22, 23, and 24 at 7 p.m. EST.
You may be interested in joining at least one of these webcasts. You can learn more here:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com:80/action/conversation/?sc=x100
And, before anyone jumps on me for being a blue dog dem, I am simply trying to learn as much as I can about the 08 candidates. Arm yourselves.
PamB,
I am so disgusted at what Hillary is trying to do.
Check this out.
THE LINK THAT HILLARY CLINTON DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE
here's one, FOS, although this is not the same one i had read:
http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/is-hillary-clinton-really-going-after-obama/
Im sorry my friend, you are wrong.. I am very much a Democrat, and im not so proud of it in this day and age.
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 05:42 PM
Well, I'm not a Democrat! But I come in here trying to relate my subjective ideas hoping to find some semblance of objectivity.
I do not come in here trying to be arrogant to see if I can pick a fight, and then start putting people down because their views are different.
Yeah, that's right everybody, I'm not a Democrat. Did you notice? Actually I'm a member of the Working Families Party, which mostly aligns itself with the Democratic party. Oh well, I'll go stand in the corner, but I refuse to wear the hat of our Presidunce!;)
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 10:25 a.m. CT Jan 20, 2007
Jan. 20, 2007 - When President George W. Bush declared earlier this month that the only way to quell sectarian violence in Iraq was to send more than 20,000 additional American troops, he probably knew the move would be unpopular. Indeed, the latest NEWSWEEK poll finds that Bush’s call for a “surge” in troops is opposed by two-thirds (68 percent) of Americans and supported by only a quarter (26 percent). Almost half of all respondents (46 percent) want to see American troops pulled out “as soon as possible.”
Story continues below ↓
*****
Impeach the chimp.
There is still more bad news for the president in the poll: Sixty-two percent of Americans are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the country. For the first time, more than half of the respondents (53 percent) disapprove of his approach to deterring terrorism. More than half of the public thinks he is not “honest and ethical” (54 percent) and lacks “strong leadership qualities” (57 percent). Just before the last election, 55 percent said Bush was honest and 63 percent saw him as a strong leader.
*****
Bush's approval is falling like a rock. He is on his way to Nixon like numbers.
Freedom, I love you to pieces, but you are buying into the right wing bullshit.
And, Esme posted a great piece earlier from The Guardian. It's here and it mentions Obama:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1994748,00.html
Fos, I don't see any evidence in your link that it was Hillary's campaign. I would like to find out she would not stoop to something like that. I will continue to try and find another article that said it was someone trying to make it look like Hillary, in order to disgrace them both.
btw, there are lots of blogs out there devoted to nothing more than killing Hillary's nomination. the repubs are afraid she will win it, and she and Bill will waltz back down PA avenue, and back into the WH ! Talk about sour grape losers, we still have those that could not stand the 8 years the Clintons were in and are still bitching about it.
Poll Of The Day
What grade would you give House Democrats on their "100-hour" agenda?
Go vote and give them an A!
And THIS just pisses me off! HOW MANY MORE???
BAGHDAD, Iraq - At least 20 American service personnel were killed in military operations Saturday in one of the deadliest days for U.S. forces since the Iraq war began, and authorities also announced two U.S. combat deaths from the previous day.
The day's worst loss came from the crash of a U.S. Army helicopter northeast of Baghdad that killed 13 service members. An attack Saturday night blamed on militiamen in the city of Karbala killed five soldiers. Roadside bombs killed another soldier in the capital and one in Nineveh province north of Baghdad.
George W Bush proved that anyone, no matter how dopey or foolish, can be elected the President.
Be careful about this right wing bull that Fox news created concerning Obama. It wouldn't surprise if they are also spinning lies that Hillary Clinton's people made the story up. The right wing will try very hard to distract us with 2008 presidential race intrigues. Ignore it! The best candidate will emerge.
In the meantime, we have issues to concentrate on. The protest on January 27th is coming up. We are just starting to run real investigations. We are calling people like Abu Gonzalez on the carpet for violating their oath of office to defend the constitution. Lots going on. Don't get trapped by silly right wing propaganda created by Sludge Drudge, Freepers and floated on Faux News.
BAGHDAD, Iraq - At least 20 American service personnel were killed in military operations Saturday in one of the deadliest days for U.S. forces since the Iraq war began, and authorities also announced two U.S. combat deaths from the previous day.
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Hi pam, yes this is just the beginning of the higher death tolls from the GOP's escalation.
The voters will not forget that they sent a message on ending this occupation and what they got from the GOP was an escalation. I am blaming the GOP in general and they will pay a price in 2008. Lieberman is finished in politics. This is his last hurray. He lied his way into office and now the voters see that he was full of it when he said he wanted to get the US out of Iraq. They won't be fooled again.
david,
one of my best friends I made in the Lamont campaign fight, was a working Families member, who had run for office on that party for a town position at one time.. I never WAS able to figure out exactly where he differed from Democrats. He believed everything I did.
I see that because, Reagan, Bush I, Rummy, and Cheney gave Osama guns and money, gave Saddam guns and money (and poison gas), sold Iran guns under the table on the sly, and sold North Korea nuclear tecnology, it's all the Democrats fault, according to "Fakedem".
Schweitzer Hammers Bush on Iraq in Nat’l Dem Radio Address
by davidsirota
Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 03:11:37 PM PST
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D), who declared his opposition to the Iraq War way back before it ever began, delivered Democrats' national radio address in advance of President Bush's State of the Union address on Tuesday. Listen to the full radio address here, read the address here, or check out the AP story on it. I have also pasted the address in full in the extended entry.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/20/18959/3438
In case you missed it. David Sirota ran Schweitzer's campaign.
DemocratKickingAss on January 20, 2007 at 07:18 PM
The envelope please...
What grade would you give House Democrats on their "100-hour" agenda?
A 78%
B 14%
C 3%
D 2%
F 4%
Total Votes: 12461
...we have a winner!
David, I'm a registered Dem, but did vote the Working Party line in the last election to give them some clout! :-)
It's good to remind people of the sleaze and corruption of the first Bush administration and how much they love Bill Clinton and call him "son" in case they are thinking about doing it again.
Posted by Cyn_NY on January 20, 2007 at 07:13 PM
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I love you too but you know I have always hated Hillary Rotton Clinton and I have no choice but to rip her to shreads or at the very least draw blood.
;p
PamB,
That's what I got out of it so I'm spinning it. (LOL) Here. In a minuet I will have one that will be UNDISPUTABLE. Gimmie a minuet okay?
;p
PamB on January 20, 2007 at 07:23 PM,
Did he believe as Lieberman, or other "Reagan Democrats" that have sold out the Democratic party?
steve, you get more ridiculous, the older you get! A member of this current party of Corruption, immoral, Perversion, has enough balls to even bring up Clinton and anything he might have been blamed for (NEVER PROVEN), is the height of ignornance!
FOS,
here is where I saw the story about Obama being blamed on Hillary. Please read it:
"The right-wing magazine Insight features a "report" that Hillary's people are digging up info that Obama attended an Islamic school as a child.
The report reads like typical right-wing propaganda bullshit. I doubt the right has great sources inside the campaign of the person they've most trashed the past 15 years.
But no smear is too ridiculous for Fox News to amplify.
Impeach Alberto Gonzales
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2007-01-20 04:51. Activism | Impeachment
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, the nation's top law enforcement official, has authorized war crimes, dismissed the Geneva Conventions, redefined torture to allow most types of torture, helped establish military commissions that deny defendants the right to a fair trial, claimed the U.S. Constitution does not provide the right to habeas corpus, and defended violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Sign the petition and contact your Congress Member and Senators.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/17498
Leahy really let Abu Gonzalez have it.
Pentagon Sees US War Cost in Iraq Rising
By Richard Cowan
Reuters
Friday 19 January 2007
Washington - The steadily rising Iraq war price tag will reach about $8.4 billion a month this year, Pentagon spokesmen said on Thursday, as heavy replacement costs for lost, destroyed and aging equipment mount.
The Pentagon has been estimating last year's costs for the increasingly unpopular war at about $8 billion a month, having increased from a monthly "burn rate" of around $4.4 billion during the first year of fighting in fiscal 2003.
During testimony at a House Budget Committee hearing, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England said that nearly four years into the war, the Pentagon's war costs were rising because it was having to replace big-ticket items such as helicopters, airplanes and armored vehicles that are wearing out or were lost in combat.
"We have a backlog and are seeing an increase," England told the panel.
When factoring in U.S. combat costs in Afghanistan, the Pentagon will spend about $9.7 billion a month during the fiscal year that ends on Sept. 30, according to Pentagon spokesmen.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012007A.shtml
This is simply unaffordable. Bush and the neocon puppet masters that control him are bleeding this nation dry.
IS HILLARY ROTTEN CLINTON BI-POLAR?
Hillary Rotten Clinton has decided to copy Barack Obama’s announcement of a Presidential Exploratory Committee. The only problem is the audience she was targeting is already in love with Barack Obama and John Edwards. Grand ma is 60 years old. You know how she looks, right? She looks like that old pervert at the club trying to dress young and dance all modern but looks like a creep? That’s how she looks on the Blogosphere. Hillary thinks Obama’s star power it’s because he got on the internet and that was all it took. She is mistaken. Obama is compared to JFK and Abraham Lincoln. Hillary is being compared to friggen Ronald Reagan and she’s stupid enough to try to reach out to the Blogosphere? Is she friggen crazy? Or, is she Bi-Polar?
Anyone who watched the News this week seen that piece on the Today Show about ten times now where Mommy Dearest totally went MENSTRAL on poor Matt Lauer when all he was doing was asking her a question about Barack Obama. Then, today, in that Announcement/ Infomercial, she looked all sweet and buttery like Sally Field talking about that once a month pill for old people. Then, she invites people to talk to her? You know who’s gonna show up on line? People like me. How friggen stupid is she? “Let’s chat. Let’s talk. I have a feeling it’s going to be very interesting?” Only 3 % of the American people are interested in having a “talk and a chat” with this phony.
Who is she trying to fool with that announcement on her website? If I didn’t recognize her, I would have thought I was watching a QVC Shopping commercial. The only pundits who like her are Pat Buchanan the racist, sexist bigot who stated she looked feminine and that was why he liked it. News Flash! When a SEXIST says a woman looks feminine, it means she looks SUBMISSIVE and IN HER PLACE baking cookies. That’s why all the Republican guys were complimenting her little “Betty Crocker Bull Crap.” Joe Scarborough and all the other Republicans thought that Martha Stewart, I mean Hillary Clinton‘s “Ask your doctor if Clinton is right for you” Ad was just great! I obviously, thought it was bull. This woman is clearly Bi-Polar and anyone who watched the news this week and compared her behavior to what we saw on the Today Show can easily come to that conclusion.
She’s a nut case.
Obama / Edwards 2008!
Posted by davidual on January 20, 2007 at 07:29 PM
Well, he HATED Lie-berman, same as the rest of us Lamont supporters. But he did not mention Reagan Dems .
We Dems in CT were affectionate for the Working Party, because they came out and put Chris Murphy, Dem who ran against Nancy Johnson (evil Republican architect of the Medicare mess) on their ticket, too, so he was listed two times on the ballot! He won in a landslide !
I told my friend, Dan that if he decides to run again, Working family or not, to call me.
The Next 100 Hours
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Columnist
Friday 19 January 2006
Something really weird is going on here. All of a sudden, the folks in Congress are behaving as if they actually represent ... well ... the people. Aren't they supposed to be hauling water for President Bush? What happened to all those arm-twisting, rule-changing, ethics-shredding shows on C-SPAN?
Oh, wait. That's right. November happened.
The "100 Hours" legislative push commemorating the Democratic takeover of the House concluded yesterday. In what actually amounted to 87 hours of bill-passing, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her newly empowered crew passed a slew of bills that accomplished two signal goals: They helped actual people, and they simultaneously served up a walloping dose of Listerine to get the taste of the last twelve years out of our mouths.
Among the bills passed this week was a boost to the federal minimum wage, an expansion of embryonic stem-cell research, a law allowing Medicare to negotiate with drug companies, a cut in student-loan interest rates, an implementation of port security rules, a move to recoup billions of dollars in lost royalties from oil and gas companies, and a rollback of tax breaks for that industry.
Translation: They helped poor people, sick people, old people, students and national security, while getting back some of the taxpayer cash frittered away by the loose-handed oil boys in Washington.
rjsnj on January 20, 2007 at 07:31 PM,
But that's all legal now, since September, thanks to the rubber-stamp of the 109th.
Gonzales Questions Habeas Corpus
By Robert Parry
Consortium News
Friday 19 January 2007
In one of the most chilling public statements ever made by a U.S. Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales questioned whether the U.S. Constitution grants habeas corpus rights of a fair trial to every American.
Responding to questions from Sen. Arlen Specter at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Jan. 18, Gonzales argued that the Constitution doesn't explicitly bestow habeas corpus rights; it merely says when the so-called Great Writ can be suspended.
"There is no expressed grant of habeas in the Constitution; there's a prohibition against taking it away," Gonzales said.
Gonzales's remark left Specter, the committee's ranking Republican, stammering.
"Wait a minute," Specter interjected. "The Constitution says you can't take it away except in case of rebellion or invasion. Doesn't that mean you have the right of habeas corpus unless there's a rebellion or invasion?"
Gonzales continued, "The Constitution doesn't say every individual in the United States or citizen is hereby granted or assured the right of habeas corpus. It doesn't say that. It simply says the right shall not be suspended" except in cases of rebellion or invasion.
"You may be treading on your interdiction of violating common sense," Specter said.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011907D.shtml
No Mr. Spectre Abu Gonzalez and the Bush crime familty are threading on treson. The entire rotten bunch merit impeachment. In Gonzalez's case, he displays such criminal malpractise of the law that he should be disbarred.
the repubs are afraid she will win it, and she and Bill will waltz back down PA avenue, and back into the WH ! Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 07:16 PM
Pam, that's only the "flying monkeys" like this "Frosty" moron. Dick Cheney already endorsed her on one of the Sunday morning talk shows a couple of months ago. When asked who he'd like to see become the Democratic nominee, he said he'd like to see Hillary get it. It does stand to reason, after all, her "old man" has been friends with the Bush crime family for twenty years now.
But that's all legal now, since September, thanks to the rubber-stamp of the 109th.
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david, not exactly! Remember that in our system, the President/Congress can not make laws that violate the constitution. To change the constitution is a legal process. They have not followed that process. The Habeuas Corpus provision in the MCA can be found unconstitional.
sheesh, ya think with a Republican majority house and senate behind him, that the WH has gotten away with murder, literally over the last 6 years? Let's see how Conyors, and the rest of them do, presenting the crimes of this administration to the country!
FOS, I too, love ya madly, but keep your passion POSITIVE for your candidate, instead of Negative against another.
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 04:23 PM I am a Black, US Marine That understand the Real Threat of our Country, and it's not Global Warming, or George Bush, it's Radical Islam..."
Islam isn't radical, radicals are.
PamB on January 20, 2007 at 07:35 PM,
That is the objective of the working families party, to get credible candidates that truly favor workers/womans/civil rights to sign up on WFP and DEM platforms. It is a way of getting rid of the "reagan dems" or "southern dems" what ever you desire to call these sell-outs.
I agree with the idea.
It does stand to reason, after all, her "old man" has been friends with the Bush crime family for twenty years now.
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Actually, there are other reasons. The Puggies believe they will absolutely beat Hillary but are uncertain about other candidates. They'll beat her by sliming her to death with Whitewater, Vince Foster even Monica. That's one reason why she is not a good candidate.
That's all I gave to say about 2008. I refuse to debate it right now. It's mainly a distraction right now.
This is ESPECIALLY for FOS!:
So far there is ZERO evidence that "nameless" Clinton 'associates' are involved in this 08ama smear.
Shut up, y'all, and chill out!
DON'T ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE "SWIFT BOATED"!!!!
Within 2 weeks the slime machine will begin to swirl down the toilet of their own poop, and end up in the sewer from whence they came.
The ONLY response should be "O.K. Let's see how this REALLY plays out".
So far NONE, ZERO, NADA, NYET, ZILCH, ZIPPO, (etc.) has been verified, and just by "talking" about unfounded FOX "News", and ONE other house organ site, funded by Richard Mellon Scaife means less than nothing.
As Think Progress and Kos have researched, in the words of Dorothy Parker, "There is NO there there".
(I have ASKED many times to "chill" but internal LAZINESS trumps a good "fist in the air" moment EVERY time, I guess.)
Let's not forget, this is MEDIA DRIVEN and has Nothing, .....(see above) to do with the NOW~!!!!!
The ONLY reason that people are "declaring" (which THEY ARE NOT) is because if papers are filed before 2-10-07 they can start funding "exploratory committees", any, (sorry, I forgot yo use the capital letters) ANY announcement will come later.
Get it? It's just like when I had to explain why Dean wasn't running around pushing "your" Candidates during the Primaries. The DNC doesn't choose sides in a contested Primary, but YOU are willing to jump ship on ANY Dem who isn't YOUR "Ideal" candidate. You are no different than that 08ama hater who decided HIS OWN that there should be a pecking order because Bobby Rush actually HAD to explain why he WASN'T part of the problem of a fat assed tax payer supported lazy jerkwad.
But that must mean that 08ama is REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
Long rant, time foe grub.
I'm being paged. Parenting duties call. Part of the problem is the computer is way away from the livingroom.
bbl
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 07:34 PM
FOS, I think before you do any more campaigning for Obama, you should read his book. His second book.
priorities
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fade, as I posted a couple of weeks, 70% of the casualities in Iraq are women and children. This is an obscene immoral occupation that was based on neocon lies. In addition, the neocons are robbing the taxpayer's dollars by continuing this debacle - even escalating it.
PamB,
Okay. I believe you. I'm just so Anti-Hillary right now that I jumped allover that one, but I don't need that one report. It will come out what she's really about and how dirty of a campaign she runs. She likes to do stuff and then pretend that the Republicans are the ones who set her up. Because she was once a victim, she can get away with it more than anyone else. I'm not buying it. I don't like her. She's a fake Democrat.
She is JOE JUDAS LIEBERMANN.
;p
Goodness, but I miss Bill Clinton. The world was never closer to Peace, our jobs were secure, our savings and pensions were at all time highs, Unemployement was true unemployment not this 4.5% which merely shows those who are still on unemployement , not all of those millions who lost their jobs and ran out of benefits.
"But that was just a cheap little affair (our allies never understood all the fuss anyway). This was never the attitude toward Clinton's politics, his capacity to understand complex issues, his astounding political savvy. No one anywhere doubted he made the country richer, more environmentally conscious, more stable, more respected and admired. Clinton was globally adored not only for his charisma but for his contributions to world peace. Plus he could actually point to Afghanistan on a map.
What a difference a handful of years makes. Now, overseas, we are a joke. A threat. A toxin. We are considered reckless and arrogant and ignorant, dangerous not just to the rest of the world but to the overall health of the planet. No one anywhere understands how a man like Bush can be the leader of the Free World, stolen election or no.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/archive/2006/07/07/notes070706.DTL&nl=fix
Under President Clinton's leadership, almost 6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration -- an average of 250,000 new jobs every month.
In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.
As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers.
President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history, resulting in over $600 billion in deficit reduction. The deficit is going down for 3 years in a row for the first time since Harry Truman was president.
FOS, I think before you do any more campaigning for Obama, you should read his book. His second book.
Posted by dorsano on January 20, 2007 at 07:47 PM
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Why? Because he did some things that EVERY SINGLE American has done in one form or another before?
Actually, there are other reasons. The Puggies believe they will absolutely beat Hillary but are uncertain about other candidates. They'll beat her by sliming her to death with Whitewater, Vince Foster even Monica. That's one reason why she is not a good candidate.
That's all I gave to say about 2008. I refuse to debate it right now. It's mainly a distraction right now.
Posted by rjsnj on January 20, 2007 at 07:43 PM
Actually, no one has been vetted like Hillary has. There is nothing else they can throw at her. She is probably the only candidate that there will be no surprises with.
Good grief, I am a Gore/Edwards/Obama/Kerry girl, but I am sick of seeing Democrats "eat their own". As Pam said, support your candidate to the rafters, but don't go negative on others. We get enough of that from repugs. The subject of your wrath today may be the person you vote for in 08.
Fade, great links.
Ex-Ohio Rep. Ney Sentenced to 30 Months
By Matt Apuzzo
The Associated Press
Friday 19 January 2007
Former Rep. Bob Ney was sentenced Friday to 2 1/2 years in federal prison for trading political favors for gifts and campaign donations from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
Ney, the first congressman ensnared in the lobbying scandal, pleaded guilty in October to conspiracy and making false statements. He admitted being corrupted by golf trips, tickets, meals and campaign donations from Abramoff.
"You violated a host of laws that you as a congressman are sworn to enforce and uphold," said U.S. District Judge Ellen Segal Huvelle, who recommended that Ney serve his time at a federal prison in Morgantown, W.Va.
Ney will also serve two years probation and must pay a $6,000 fine. Huvelle recommended he enter a prison alcohol rehabilitation program for treatment of a drinking problem he has acknowledged in recent months. Completing the program could knock about a year off his sentence.
Huvelle did not set a date for Ney to report to prison.
rj,
i'm sickened and disgusted by this horror and to do anything except try to rebuild is immoral...which describes pretty well what the whole debacle that is Operation Iraqi Freedom
Cheney's Dead-Enders
By Laura Rozen
The Washington Monthly
January/February 2007
Rumsfeld is gone, but the veep's other loyalists remain.
With the departure of his longtime friend Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton's resignation as U.N. ambassador, and Democrats taking over Congress, times seem grim for the Dick Cheney wing of the Bush administration. The vice president's vision of a "unitary executive"-otherwise known as the imperial presidency-will almost certainly be challenged by congressional oversight committees, and perhaps by the courts. But Cheney-former aide to Rumsfeld in the Nixon administration, chief of staff in the Ford administration, defense secretary in the first Bush administration, and House intelligence committee chairman during the Iran-Contra scandal (in which he backed the Reagan White House)-is no novice in the art of bureaucratic warfare. He has long surrounded himself with impeccably loyal aides who both share his worldview of a powerful presidency unchecked by the legislative branch, and who have also installed like-minded allies throughout the government. Such allies provide crucial intelligence of inter-departmental debates, enabling Cheney to make end-runs around the bureaucracy and head off opposing views at key meetings. Call it Cheney's state within the state. Herewith a brief guide to the Cheney network, dwindling and beleaguered, but by no means to be underestimated:
Big Money, Small Money: The War and Student Loans
By Dean Baker
t r u t h o u t | Columnist
Thursday 18 January 2007
As President Bush prepares for his "surge" in Iraq, it is worth thinking about the growing cost of the war. While finances should never come first when talking about a war that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, it is reasonable to ask about the tab that Bush is running up.
This is especially worth doing because Congress feels constrained in other spending by its desire to reduce the budget deficit. That is why the legislation passed by the House reducing the interest rates charged on student loans phases in lower rates over five years. Congress felt it would be too costly to reduce the interest rate more quickly. The legislation ends the subsidy at the start of 2012, also out of a desire to save money.
According to the Congressional Budget Office, the cost of the student loan subsidy will be $8.1 billion over five years. This is $1.6 billion annually, or an average of about 0.05 percent of federal spending over this period.
Now let's consider the cost of the Iraq War. At current appropriation levels, the war is costing the government close to $100 billion a year. But, the direct appropriation is only part of the story. As a result of the war, the government must pay more money to attract people to enlist in the military and reserves. It will also incur additional expenses in future years, paying for medical care for veterans and disability benefits for those who are permanently injured. In addition, there will also be costs for replacing equipment that is damaged, destroyed, or simply worn out. A recent estimate put the total of these costs at close to $200 billion a year, and this is real money.
Hello All. I am new to your group and am trying to get the grass roots campaign up and running in the state of KS. Someone was wondering how to donate to the campain here is a website that will allow you to pledge.
http://www.draftobama.org/hopechest/
I have also started a yahoo group called KSforBarackObama it's address is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KSforBarackObama/ Keep up the good work the fun is just starting..
FOS,
NOBODY is like Joe Lieberman, trust me. We are keeping track of his little Republican tricks.
david, I have seriously been considering re-registering back to unaffiliated like I was for 40 years, just so I am not labeled. It will mean that I cannot go to local Dem meetings though, where I hope to CHANGE the mentality, not leave it.
Cyn, the sternum joke was so funny! i need to laugh sometimes.
Pam, isn't it a pity that the minute Hilary announced the right wing conspiracy kicks back into high gear.
FOS--love you, honey. don't take the bait, please.
immoral...which describes pretty well what the whole debacle that is Operation Iraqi Freedom
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fade, that's the part that the fix the broken pottery types forget. When something is wrong, it's even more wrong to perpetuate it. Out of Iraq now!
Good for you, Kansas for Barack! and Welcome to Kickin' Ass--great to see you working already.
Senator Obama is my representative, he's got a great voting record and I support him 100%.
Thank you for all that you do and keep checkin' in.
Pelosi: US Not Obliged to Stay in Iraq
By Lolita C. Baldor
The Associated Press
Friday 19 January 2007
Washington - In a critique the White House labeled as "poisonous," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi charged Friday that President Bush is wading too deeply into Iraq and said it should not be "an obligation of the American people in perpetuity."
Pelosi said Bush "has dug a hole so deep he can't even see the light on this. It's a tragedy. It's a stark blunder."
QUESTION:
Where was all this "CAUTION" when Barack Obama was being slandered and drag through the mud on this very website? Where was it? I did'nt see it. I did'nt see it much at all.Everyone knows I hate fake Democrats. Everyone knows I have called this old hag out many times as being a fake and a phony. I am not about to shut up about it especially when Brack Obama and John Edwards had all kinds of mess posted about them on this very website, where EVERYONE here read it, and noone really posted anything unless the comment was made by a troll. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking those who WE all know damn well are Democrats just like US who were bashnig Obama and Edwards. I read not a single post of "CAUTION" to them. That's fine if people here like that lying two faced Joe Lieberman Clinton and want to stick up for her, but the next time a regular bashes Obama and Edwards and I see not a single post of "CAUTION" about it, I'm calling it out!
Obama/Edwards 2008!
Actually, no one has been vetted like Hillary has. There is nothing else they can throw at her. She is probably the only candidate that there will be no surprises with. Posted by Cyn_NY
I think Repubs are gonna use Bill against her more than anything else. Expect to hear non-stop talking about sex and lying. I've heard that theory before about there being "nothing" that the Repubs have left to smear the Clintons with. They can smear anyone, even a saint.
rj, did you hear mike malloy this week? that is exactly how i feel about this whole thing. he needs to be removed from office, peacefully and legally...
looks like Jay Rockerfeller might have a little more "insight" with a Democratic majority. as the truth begins to trickle out, we'll see more like Hagel and Snow...
Woolsey takes up President Bush's Challenge on Iraq
January 17, 2007, Washington , DC
Introduces H. R. 508 -- comprehensive alternative to escalation: plan would bring all US troops home within 6-months
Joined by Congresswoman Barbara Lee (D-CA), and Maxine Waters (D-CA), Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey (D-Petaluma) today introduced the Bring Our Troops Home and Sovereignty of Iraq Restoration Act of 2007, sweeping legislation, which would establish a 6-month timeframe for withdrawal for all US military forces from Iraq, provide a framework for bringing stability back to Iraq, and fully fund the VA health care system. The proposal is a direct response to President Bush's challenge over the weekend for those who oppose his planed escalation to put forth a plan of their own. Woolsey introduced the bill during a press conference held this afternoon in the Capitol. Below are her remarks, as prepared for delivery:
"Today Congresswomen Waters and Lee and I are introducing a bill that would bring our troops home from Iraq within a six month timeframe.
"The Bring Our Troops Home and Sovereignty of Iraq Restoration Act is the first comprehensive legislative proposal to end the occupation and provide a framework to help bring stability back to Iraq.
http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/news/2007-01-17-22-20-47-news.php
Okay moron Bush, Lieberman and McWindvane, here's the opposing plan for Iraq.
Pam, isn't it a pity that the minute Hilary announced the right wing conspiracy kicks back into high gear.
evening fade,
Hitting a couple of Red blog sites, you should see the circus they are making of this. Plus dug out the worst pictures of Hillary they can find. They are taking out their sour grapes loss from November, on Clinton! They don't realize the American public has been there, done that and their attempts to continue the same ole, same ole tirade will be met with deaf ears!
rj, did you hear mike malloy this week? that is exactly how i feel about this whole thing. he needs to be removed from office, peacefully and legally...
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fade, I sure did. Time to impeach the Chimp.
Posted by rjsnj on January 20, 2007 at 07:56 PM
priorities
FOS, I too, love ya madly, but keep your passion POSITIVE for your candidate, instead of Negative against another.
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 07:40 PM
That's what I'm going to tell Hillary on Tuesday when I particpate in her online bull ---- session. I'm already set up with an alias.
;p
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 08:04 PM
yeah, me too...gregg left a link for one and
golly gee, what a sale on those right wing books...4 for a dollar, was it? to join their little book club?
nothing gets them wound up like the Clinton...LmAo
That's what I'm going to tell Hillary on Tuesday
I hope every single Dem candidate this time around, does not pull what they did in 2003 smearing each other! THAT was bulls**T!
Actually, no one has been vetted like Hillary has. There is nothing else they can throw at her. She is probably the only candidate that there will be no surprises with. Posted by Cyn_NY
The surprise for Hillary is not gonna come from the Republicans because she won't make it that far. The real surprise is going to come from the Primaries.The fact that she will lose despite all the cash and the sympathy support , is what's gonna be the surprise.
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I hope every single Dem candidate this time around, does not pull what they did in 2003 smearing each other! THAT was bulls**T!
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pam, I agree and you can bet that the right wing GOP will feed the smears and attempt to hang them on opposing candidates. Let's tune their noise machine out.
George Bush's Crusading Scorecard (2001-2007)
The Look of a War Against Islam
By Tom Engelhardt
TomDispatch.com
Thursday 18 January 2007
Just five days after the September 11th attacks in 2001, in a Q and A with reporters on the South Lawn of the White House, a President with a new mission, a new cause, and a new purpose in life told the American people that, though they had to "go back to work tomorrow," they should now know that they were facing a "new kind of evil." He added, "And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."
This crusade, this war on terrorism. It had such a ring to it; in the Arab world, of course, it was a ring many centuries old and deeply disturbing. And it came so naturally, so easily off the President's tongue (though it took days of backtracking by his spokesmen and prominent presidential references to "the peaceful teachings of Islam" perverted by "a fringe form of Islamic extremism" to begin to make up for it). But that little "slip" of the tongue spoke volumes. It signaled that George W. Bush was already in his own heroic dream world and, only those few days after the 9/11 attacks, had both a "crusade" on the brain and "victory" in that crusade firmly in mind. As a result, he made this promise to the American people: "It is time for us to win the first war of the 21st century decisively, so that our children and our grandchildren can live peacefully into the 21st century."
Now, here we are, just over five years further into the 21st century, and the President, who only nine months ago was still proudly (if a little desperately) trumpeting his "strategy for victory" in Iraq, now speaks vaguely about "success," or about a "victory," no longer decisive, that "will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved… [with a] surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship." And when it comes to our "children and grandchildren living peacefully into the 21st century," tell that to the 21,500 Americans about to be "surged" into the murderous streets and alleys of Baghdad.
Posted by PamB on January 20, 2007 at 08:13 PM
They will get all along very well.Much better than the base for certain. Obama , Edwards and Bill Clintons wife will have no choice but to get along with each other because they don't know who's going to come in second because that's going to be the Veep Candidate.
Evening Dem's,good evening Fade, hope all is well with you....just got up from my nap....looks like a good discussion....John Boy....
The surprise for Hillary is not gonna come from the Republicans because she won't make it that far. Posted by FreedomOfSpeech
Nope, that's wrong too. "The surprise" IS gonna come from the Republicans when they "make us" take whether we want her or not, just like they did to us with Lieberman. Many states have "open" primaries.
Another Question:
Is the Huffington Post a right wing Blog? Because right now, hundreds of comments are coming in and Bill Clintons wife is being slaughtered. Is'nt the Huffington Post an Aggressive Progressive far left wing Democratic Blog? Yes, that's right. It is. Where's my pick and shovel at? (LOL)
Okay. I'm done being snarky and bitchie..........
............over here. I'm going to Huff Po and get my post on.
They even have links and TRUE fun facts about her too.
BBL,
hello, my good friend and author...finished your book and have to say that it wasn't easy to understand a lot of the technical things.
clearly, i needed to read it. thank you for sharing your story and helping us to understand how mucked up the system is.
Montgomery County Texas is one of the fastest growing counties in the country...how about that? Still going strong...that's right next to you, isn't it?
"Bill Clintons wife"
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 08:19 PM
That's beneath you, Freedom. She is a woman and a candidate in her own right. I think you know I have never been racist or bigoted on this blog. If I had a concern or question, I did not slander or knock anyone. You are crossing a line that you yourself have put there. You need to seriously look at what you are posting.
See ya'all tomorrow. I can't take any more of this.
Is the Huffington Post a right wing Blog?
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fos, you'll see a mixture of posts on there. I don't know if it is controlled very well. This is the Freepers kicking up a storm over lies. They have nothing else to do. Nothing positive to contribute about anything. A sad bunch of losers.
Posted by Domingo on January 20, 2007 at 08:25 PM
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She is currently LOSING all the Primaries in the polls. Am I the only one who watches the news? Did anyone watch the news this morning? I watched it from 8:00 am till I got ready for work. That would be about 1:30 pm. Was I the only one? Did anyone not see the brand new breaking news polls that came out today?
BBL
Okay. I'm done being snarky and bitchie........
{{{Fos}}} don't make promises you can't keep
you'll never hear me say that, gf
I can only wonder if stuffing the government with utter incompetent and corrupt political appointees is an impeachable offense. Perhaps, more important than trying to prove nefarious motives behind policies on the part of Bush Administration officials, the Democrats would do well calling before the various committees of Congress as many as possible policy making officials that came in with the Bush Administration, thus exposing their utter incompetence, insolence and corruption. For example, Condi Rice-- whom I long liked and whose rise to the status of Secretary of State I applauded-- proved that she can fool some in the Congress some of the time but certainly not all all of the time. As a result, she has been turned into a reckless babbler and fabricator of nonsense in the eyes of all who share her learned study of US foreign policy. To watch her grilled by the Senate is tres penible!
But there is nothing else to do. For the President hides his criminal negligence and reckless abandon of reality behind these people; he makes utterly idiotic babble-statements followed by an even more idiotic grin and then leaves it to Cabinet officials to clean up his piddling mess. This only Congress can aggressively expose. Nevertheless, it is the general impression amongst polled Americans that, in the words of EJ Dionne, this administration," has taken a long holiday from complexity"-- and complexity is what we, their employers, pay them to understand, hence the "expert" G-grade in salaries.
But since Hurricane Katrina, Americans have come to realize that, besides the lies blowing at us, there are outright imbeciles in power. And, where there are imbeciles there are always lots crooks!
Bush can always declare as "classified" all evidence that he is yet to be "House-broken," referring to the power of "oversight" on the part of Congress. But he can neither hide the stink that comes from the material out of which his Administration is made, nor the slips by which they expose the inevitable catastrophe if they are not all cleaned out and soon.
Congressional Committees can become a public impeachment court where the criminal incompetence of the Bush Administration is laid out. Forced to testify under oath, tangled between fear of perjury and attempts to hide the truth, these low caliber of intellect individuals will inevitably, as the old saying goes, "hang themselves."
Soooo, leave it to Congressional investigative committees staff to slowly and quietly uncover the evidence for crimes and misdemeanors by Bush and Cheney & Co. In the meantime, the Senators and Congressmen and ladies ought to focus on putting Bush's political appointees under the limelight for merciless grilling until they crack and sound as idiotic as did Senator Santorum in the waning days of his hapless warmongering campaign.
Earn your keep, Congress, with well sharpened questions that poke, cut and lay bare these officials prone to reckless endangerment or face unemployment, ironically, at the same time as Messrs Bush and Cheney and all their minions in 2008.
Daniel E. Teodoru
deteodoru@yahoo.com
Okay. I'm done being snarky and bitchie........
{{{Fos}}} don't make promises you can't keep
you'll never hear me say that, gf
Posted by fade2bluz on January 20, 2007 at 08:30 PM
LOL.
Oh, alright then. " Whaaaa! Hillary . Whaaa!"
;p
bbl
Arianna Huffington:
I've just gotten back from visiting Jane Hamsher in the ICU unit at St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica. For those of you that don't know, Jane has been diagnosed with breast cancer — her third go-around with it — and underwent 8 hours of surgery yesterday.—
Knowing Jane, she'll be there — in a low-cut dress — ready for bear. And for Dick Cheney. According to Jane's close friend Tom Swan, when Jane was being wheeled into surgery, in her anesthetized twilight state, she muttered to the doctors: "I have to be back in DC in two weeks to watch Dick Cheney sweat on the stand." Good thing Jane's surgeon, Armando Giuliano, is not among the deluded few who still approve of the VP.
Jane, we love you, we miss your voice online, and can't wait to read your Libby takes
Ministers Launch Petition to Stop Bush Library
The Associated Press
Thursday 18 January 2007
Dallas - A group of Methodist ministers from across the nation launched an online petition drive Thursday urging Southern Methodist University to stop trying to land George W. Bush's presidential library.
The petition, on a newly created Web site, http://www.protectsmu.org, says that "as United Methodists, we believe that the linking of his presidency with a university bearing the Methodist name is utterly inappropriate."
"Methodists have a long history of social conscience, so questions about the conduct of this president are very concerning," said one of the petition's organizers, the Rev. Andrew J. Weaver of New York, who graduated from SMU's Perkins School of Theology.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011807T.shtml
Tee, Hee, Hee! Who would want to be associated with Dumbya's legacy? Without a doubt, the worst prez ever.
Posted by rjsnj on January 20, 2007 at 08:29 PM
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Not a regular at Huff Po ey?
I am.I can tell who's legit and who's full of shiii.
How do you think I'm so good at picking out trolls here when others just be sittin there posting back and forth to them and don't even realize they talkin to Frosty. (LOL). Huff Po is like being in the Field.
;p
She is currently LOSING all the Primaries in the polls. Am I the only one who watches the news? Posted by FreedomOfSpeech
Well, there was an article in the LA Times a month or so ago the said the majority of Americans want a Democratic president next time, unless it's Hillary, then they'll vote for the Republican instead.
rj,
from the Pepe Escobar piece at Asia Times:
The US military base in Djibouti - home of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Special Forces who helped to design the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia - will be the headquarters of the African Command.
i didn't know this
Bets could be made on how many CIA/Pentagon analysts understand what's actually going on in the black void of the Horn of Africa. It's basically a vicious war of all against all - which in a sinister tragicomedy of errors happens to have been fueled by the Pentagon itself.
or this
Somalia is 100% Muslim and is populated by only one ethnic group, speaking a single, unified language. Like all over the Arab world, this is a clannish society - six major clans, hundreds of sub-clans. When dictator Siad Barre was deposed in 1991, the inevitable result was clannish-based civil war.
it's a good piece, Escobar is excellent...
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 07:50 PM Why? Because he did some things that EVERY SINGLE American has done in one form or another before?
No, because he talks about what is important to him and why he's in politics and how he likes to conduct his campaign. I don't think he'd like how you're representing him.
Posted by rjsnj on January 20, 2007 at 08:35 PM
that's interesting, isn't it? i cannot recall any situation similar to that in my fifty plus years...
Not a regular at Huff Po ey?
I am.I can tell who's legit and who's full of shiii.
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fos, nope. The articles posted on huffington post are good though. I haven't followed their blog. I tend to follow Kos.
I agree that it's easy to recognize the frosted trolls on this blog. I choose to ignore them.
Fade...thx for the kind words,,,means a lot coming from you...I have a lot of respect for you and your hard work and contibution to try to make America return to the greatness we once knew....the tech. stuff is complicated but that is the reason it needed to be exposed...that's how the ins.industry and HMOs rape the American public....Montgomery County is a stones throw north of us,,,we live just south of Old Town Spring........Love and Peace to you...I'm prob. just going to lurk for a while, you folks are doing a good job airing out the issues.....John Boy
just like they did to us with Lieberman.
William, I have been getting my kicks recently going into red blogs, reading up on Election day and night. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED how many of these Republicans were rooting for Lieberman! I thought it was just our CT Repubs who were stupid! I think it is very VERY telling, that Lieberman was being cheered by Republicans. What does that tell you? And now he is rewarding them all, by backing off Katrina, supporting Bush and his escalation, only New England politician who will not vote for 9/11 recommendations , etc.
it's a good piece, Escobar is excellent...
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fade, very similar to Engelhardt's piece. Good article. The Bushies have gone completely nuts ... that's their response to the 2006 electioo, escalate everything even taking a bunch of bloody actions that are completely ineffective and in many downright wrong. And they said that Clinton "wagged the dog". This creep Bush can write the book on "wagging the dog".
i am heading out. maybe back, maybe not.
Try to work on Income tax stuff, and getting tears all in my keyboard ! :)
Talk later,
I thought it was just our CT Repubs who were stupid! I think it is very VERY telling, that Lieberman was being cheered by Republicans.
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pam, you tried to make the case that he is a creep. You succeeded at getting him booted from the dem party now CT voters will learn just how much they were lied to by Holy Joe. Sad!
LMAO {{{pam}}}
rj,
have you seen anything recent from Sy Hersch?
Posted by Domingo on January 20, 2007 at 08:37 PM
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Hillary has name recognition and everyone who keeps praising her and standing up for her does so because they either lov Bill Clinton or because they feel sorry for her having to go through the Monica Lewinsky mess.If I don't buy into feling sorry for John Mc Cain trying to pull the "I'm a former POW" Card, why would I care about Bill Clintons wife pulling the "He Cheated" card? Find me someone who's husband NEVER cheated on her and ......well, I guess I'll show you one lucky little lady there.
;p
I know Pam. In the begining neither you nor I saw that coming ahead of time how strongly they were going to back him. I don't want to keep thowing "that book" in your face, but it tells how Lieberman and the Clintons are on the same team, Bush's team.
John Boy,
thank you, and i hope you're comfortable. are you going for one of your "special" breakfasts in the morning?
i've got to get busy and finish frosting this cake i made for my nephew's birthday.
bbl
have you seen anything recent from Sy Hersch?
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fade, nope - he's been quiet of late at least in terms of articles.
Fade...I forgot to mention,...had more responses to my email program on "PURGE THE SURGE"...I didn't mention it before but I also did a smaller email on Bush's moving "his" attack fleet off the coast of Iran trying to provoke Iran into attacking our ships so that he would have "justification" to counter attack...had some response on that as well...thanks for your encouragement on the emails...I prob. would have given up on that when initially there was no response......John Boy
WEB EXCLUSIVE
Extraordinary Rendition Victim Maher Arar
http://www.archive.org/stream/dn-arar-2006-1018/Arar2006-1018_256kb.mp4
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This was the Canadian citizen that was rendered to Syria for over a year.
Editorials and Information on
How to Impeach Bush & Cheney
Electing a Congress to Impeach Bush and Cheney
Deadly Day in Iraq
by MissLaura
Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 05:28:45 PM PST
Spread the word IRAQ NAM has a recommended diary on what lies behind today's helicopter crash killing 13 service members in Iraq. That crash was not all for the day: the AP is reporting a total of 20 American troops killed in Iraq today.
The day's worst loss came from the crash of a U.S. Army helicopter northeast of Baghdad that killed 13 service members. An attack Saturday night blamed on militiamen in the city of Karbala killed five soldiers. Roadside bombs killed another soldier in the capital and one in Nineveh province north of Baghdad.
No, because he talks about what is important to him and why he's in politics and how he likes to conduct his campaign. I don't think he'd like how you're representing him.
Posted by dorsano on January 20, 2007 at 08:43 PM
Oh Jesus Christ Dors, pleeeze. I don't like how half the people here claim to represent the Democratic Party as a whole but I'm still here. I don't give a rats hoot. What is he gonna do?
"Please don't send me that $100.00 a month because you are posting mean things about the little witch who wants to beat me in the primaries"
(ROFLMAO)
I guess I better stop there then ey?
NOT!
;p
Countdown To No Confidence: T-60 Days
by eOz
Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 05:35:53 PM PST
The Powell Doctrines (Lewis & Colin)
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/20/203553/478
Very interesting journal. Highly recommended.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 09:03 PM I don't give a rats hoot. What is he gonna do?
It's not what he's going to do. It's what are the people who's vote you ask for are going to.
You represent Obama in their minds when you ask them to support him. Maybe they'll ignore you and support him anyways, maybe they won't.
Just let me know if you want him to win or not so I know how to respond to your posts.
My mother I always told me I was a pretentious bore. I guess she was right. I suppose I'll go paint some more since it's unlikely that anyone is gonna share their gum with me any more.
Hillary Clinton launches trailblazing presidential bid
"Obama, who launched his own presidential committee on Tuesday, praised Clinton as a friend and colleague.
"I welcome her and all the candidates, not as competitors, but as allies in the work of getting our country back on track," he said in a statement."
I think this little statement says it all.
FOS, A couple of points: 1) This is not a syllogism; all Muslims arn't radical, all blacks are not drug dealers and all Southerners are not bigots. 2) While we may have differences with Hillery she IS a Democrat. I remember how hard she tried to get us ALL health care during the early years of Bill's tenure. She had good ideas that would have worked if given the chance. She does not deserve the diss you are giving her. Like others have mentioned: plus for your guy but no negitive for others.
PS: JE is my guy. Luv ya
Personally, I think we have a great field of potential candidates seeking the nomination.. now if only Al Gore would come out of hiding! ;)
Personally, I think we have a great field of potential candidates seeking the nomination.. now if only Al Gore would come out of hiding! ;)
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gig, Gore is out there working on Global Warming. I understand that people would love to see him run again but I think he's found his calling and it's not in politics. Just my opinion of course.
Federal Workers Owe Billions in Unpaid Taxes
Mark Segraves
WTOP Radio
Wednesday 17 January 2007
Washington - As the 2006 tax season approaches, the federal government is still trying to recover nearly $3 billion from its own employees who failed to file income tax returns for 2005.
More than 450,000 active and retired federal employees did not voluntarily comply with federal income tax requirements for the 2005 tax year, according to documents obtained by WTOP through the Freedom of Information Act.
The total balance owed is $2,799,950,165.
The documents show that every federal agency has employees who failed to comply with federal tax laws.
Seventy-one employees in the Executive Office of the President, which includes the White House, owe $664,527 in taxes for 2005. About 20 of those employees have entered into an IRS payment plan, bringing the EOP balance down to $455,881owed by 50 employees.
The White House did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011807M.shtml
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I guess the Bushies really do hate taxes.
PS: JE is my guy. Luv ya
Posted by salutetheDems on January 20, 2007 at 09:37 PM
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That's fine. I'm just saying. Let's make sure not to be hypocrites either when we are making sure to be nice to Hillary. I can't wait till a regular starts poppin off at the key board against Obama and Edwards and I'm going to prove the hypocrisy when noone rebutts them. All this "Let's be possitive" was nowhere when it was against Obama and Edwards and Feingold. That's my beef. Let's also not be HYPOCRITES and pretend we want to take the high road when it's a candidate we like. That's all. We have all told each other how much we love each other so I know we don't have any hard feelings. They want me to be causious. I want them to be causious..........of making sure they don't come off as a hypocrite. It's all good. I know may have pissed some New Yorkers off. I would be pissed too. That's my Senator. But noone understood how pissed off Russ Feingold was being dogged. Hmmmm . Interesting.
;p
rjsnj on January 20, 2007 at 09:43 PM
I know, and of course you are right (it's just wishful thinking), I admire him for what he is doing.
He's a wonderful person and this country missed out on the chance of having a great president. Let's hope the next election is not rigged again.
Undermining Israel-Syria Peace Talks listed in Israel-Palestine
Air America's Sam Seder today pointed to a blockbuster piece in Ha'aretz, "Israeli, Syrian Representatives Reach Secret Understandings," which reports;
In a series of secret meetings in Europe between September 2004 and July 2006, Syrians and Israelis formulated understandings for a peace agreement between Israel and Syria...
...The document is described as a "non-paper," a document of understandings that is not signed and lacks legal standing - its nature is political. It was prepared in August 2005 and has been updated during a number of meetings in Europe.
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The contacts ended after the Syrians demanded an end to meetings on an unofficial level and called for a secret meeting at the level of deputy minister, on the Syrian side, with an Israeli official at the rank of a ministry's director general, including the participation of a senior American official. Israel did not agree to this Syrian request.
http://www.liberaloasis.com/2007/01/undermining_israelsyria_peace.php
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Interesting.
More from the same article:
It appears Dubya has a hand in preventing these talks from moving from unofficial and secret status, to official status.
As flagged by LiberalOasis in August '06, a Lebanese political analyst told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that:
In September 2004, a common friend of yours and mine, Wolf -- and I won't say his name now -- came to Lebanon and Damascus.
And he is a very close friend to Israel, believe me. Nobody more than this guy love Israel's interest. [sic]
He came to see whether there is a possibility for a certain peace talk in the future.
A week later, President Bush made a presidential statement forbidding any peace talks to go between Israel, Lebanon and Syria.
And today, the right-wing Cybercast News Service reports:
Israel officially has rejected the Syrian overtures, apparently because Washington doesn't want Israel to engage Syria at this time
More at War and Piece and American Footprints.
He's a wonderful person and this country missed out on the chance of having a great president. Let's hope the next election is not rigged again.
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I agree on all counts. I am glad he found a way to get an important message out. I think he was in Japan this week meeting with officials on global warming.
I meant to say noone cared how pissed off I was when Russ Feingolds Presidential aspirations were dogged out because he was Jewish but we're giving the special treatment to Joe Liebermans long lost twin?
Getta Outtta here!
"I welcome her and all the candidates, not as competitors, but as allies in the work of getting our country back on track," he said in a statement."
I think this little statement says it all.
Posted by GiG on January 20, 2007 at 09:36 PM
It says. "We have to be nice and let our constituents brawl it out"
FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 10:00 PM
I disagree. And I have never bashed any potential candidate here or in real life.
A little lesson learned here in Georgia in '06, we had a shot at putting a Democrat back into the Governor's mansion but the nasty primary, between two decent (not great, since nobody down here is as progressive as I'd like) candidates, caused us to not even stand a chance against the jerk that was re-elected.. people were just fed up with the negativity and tuned out and didn't go to the polls...
But noone understood how pissed off Russ Feingold was being dogged. Hmmmm . Interesting.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 20, 2007 at 09:52 PM
actually, not to me. and i did understand. you are presumptuous if you think we did not. some of us have been deeply committed to political action since before you were born.
i've read Hilary's autobiography. have you?
try to keep in mind that each and every one of these candidates is on our team. my dad has said, repeatedly, that he is pissed at how the Democrats fight during the primaries. he's the only Democrat in his little "blue haired" circle in Florida.
i'm not suggesting that we walk in lock step. sometimes we all get angry. it is unbecoming to hold grudges, and it's not at all informative to keep it on an emotional level.
you are among friends here.
Posted by rjsnj on January 20, 2007 at 09:53 PM
thanks, rj. nice digging. i heard malloy talking about Wolf and his status with the right wing in Israel. who is this Monica Crowley?
these times are worse than the McCarthy days, only we're so "entertained" that most people don't notice.
Posted by FellowDem on January 20, 2007 at 09:45 PM
That was DEBUNKED within 2 hours, asswipe. It's OLD smears.
Go suck Rush's limp dick some more. All the ILLEGAL Viagra he can smuggle after his 12 year old BOY "sex-capade" off shore can't make up for the YEARS of Oxycontin abuse that fat asshole has been doing.
you are among friends here.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 20, 2007 at 10:27 PM
I know I am so why can't I say how much I hate her guts then?
;p
Besides. For all the little babies and bratattacks, I had to go and adjust my PB Blog to be all nice and respectful to Joe Liebermans long lost cousin.
:(
But noone understood how pissed off Russ Feingold was being dogged. Hmmmm . Interesting.
And just WHEN did Feingold "DROP OUT"?? He was NEVER IN, it was just yet ANOTHER Media Manipulation to get the focus ANY-FREAKIN'- WHERE BUT Iraq and Prince Georgie's absolute failure as a human being!!
Feingold DID NOT even "hint" that he was considering a run, yet all anybody heard on the TEE and VEE was "possible Democrat candidate, Russ Fei....." until he HAD to say he ain't running which was announced on NOVEMBER 12th.
Get over your attack mode. When Edwards announced via a video from the 9th Ward of NOLA all you had to say was "is it me or does this look like a plantation..." and when I pointed out that within THE FIRST 30 SECONDS Edwards said he was in the 9th Ward and working with former residents and "kids" (THAT is the term that pissed ME off)) to help rebuild the area. YOU agreed, but decided to ask J the same thing.
Face it, ANYBODY has the RIGHT to run. As I said to that 08ama hater, "If you don't like him, don't vote for him". The same applies to Hillary, and anybody else.
That's why there is a Primary system. If we were going to use the Lieberman system for the Super Bowl. Seattle would declare themselves the (rightful) winners and just show up to the "Big Game".
It don't work that way, so take a chill pill.
Implementing an aggressive diplomatic strategy, both within the region and beyond, which reflects the continuing obligation of the international community to help stabilize Iraq and which assists the Iraqis in achieving a sustainable political settlement, including by amending their constitution."
"To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces.... We will help the Iraqis build a larger and better-equipped army, and we will accelerate the training of Iraqi forces."
"We will use America's full diplomatic resources ...
TsunamiTuesday on January 20, 2007 at 08:21 PM,
Instead of crying in your coffee why don't you wake up and smell it!!
aggressive diplomatic strategy and full diplomatic resources are not the same thing. They are two totally different contexts.
DPD,
Whenever I'm wrong and it's pointed out. I apologize. I know of hardly anyone else who does that as much as I do here; and many times, people are dead wrong. dead vulgar and utterly digraceful and yet noone posts a single thing about their nasty yuk mouth and how that makes the Democratic Party look. However. I remeber the posts and I remember the "selective silence" as well. I feel sorry for Hillary lovers because if they can't handle a Democrat saying anything about her, they need to seriously stay away from the television untill the day after the 2008 Election because it's going to become extremly ugly for her every ehere and from every angle. From the Left, the Right, the Media, long lost friends that want to tell everytone a big secret. Photos of new affairs. More books. At least two or three. It's going to be ugly. Very ugly.
Ohhh, so ugly.
But anyway. I better call it a night because I'm almost done here.
TTYL
I'm chill.
Hi, Marine. I think your comments are very insightful. I'd like to add to the one about the necessity for solid evidence regarding Iran, and that the Administration needs to share it if they have it.
So far, all I have heard are accusations by the Bush Administration and neocons that are preceded by "We have reason to believe", "We think", "It is quite possible that", "We suspect", etc. The White House is flooding the airwaves with its talking points against Iran, and with repeated accusations of Iran's imminent danger. I fear that the accusations will subtly become facts to the listeners, and the disclaimers we be ignored as insignificant.
I have searched the Internet for any solid evidence that Iran is supplying IED's to insurgents, or is supplying the information or technology to insurgents, and also, just who are the "insurgents". Admittedly, info on the Internet is limited, but the closest I could find is a news report by the BBC that the shapes of some pieces inside an IED that exploded and killed an English soldier in Iraq were similar to the shapes inside an IED found in Lebanon (or it might have been Palestine.) The military has also said that a shipment of similar IED's was found in northern Iraq, and that it traversed a corner of Iran, though the origin of the shipment was not known.
The BBC gives the reader the information, but it does not extract from those separate facts a definite conclusion that Iran is the source of IED's in Iraq, but neither does it discard the information. On the other hand, the Bush Administration would fabricate an elaborate scenario to inflame Americans' attitudes against Iran and to build a case to justify military action.
In Congressional hearings, with so many lawyers in the House and Senate, why don't our representatives jump all over White House witnesses who continually offer heresay as solid evidence to prove what they want to prove? If it makes their case, they will even distort the heresay, as in the Curveball information that provided great traction for the invasion of Iraq. Apparently, some of the biggest contributors of "intel" against Iran is a group of Iranian exiles living just outside Baghdad whom we have had on our list of known terrorists. Saddam Hussein accepted them and provided them with security. The United States' military is continuing that protection. This group has always wanted to overthrow Iran. Wouldn't you think we would proceed with caution when they give us inside information about Iran, especially when it contradicts what our own intelligence officials say? Think how different things would have been if Bush and Cheney had not propped up the "intel" from Chalabi and Curveball, while rejecting information gathered by the CIA on Iraq.
The Bush Administration's willingness to manipulate information and deceive Americans, Congress, and our allies has compromised our national and world security as much as any terrorist attack. We do not know the truth about the government of Iran -- whether it is friend, foe, or in-between -- because we cannot trust the accuracy of information coming from the White House. We do not know if Iran can be of assistance to help prevent the loss of more lives in Iraq because the hubris of the Bush-Cheney Administration will not allow for directly engaging Iran in dialog unless it jumps through our hoops, a condition designed to show who is on top (Establishing who is the "pack leader" seems to be more important to Bush and Cheney than the lives of our soldiers and stability in Iraq.)
The Bush Administration has cried wolf too many times to get what it wants, and the repercusions have been literally grave. Perhaps they are thinking that we would not believe them to be so audacious as to try that again. Unfortunately, I think that is exactly what we should believe, especially knowing their PNAC goals, which are shared by all their advisors, especially the Kagan brothers.
Congress must waste no time to preempt this executive branch that claims full authority to launch a military strike without Congressional approval, from attempting to provoke and strike Iran. Shame on us if we do not learn from the documented patterns of irrational, impulsive, and compulsive behavior of the Bush-Cheney Administration. Half-hearted protestations by Congress -- Republicans and Democrats -- will not be enough. There is too much at stake.
TheRightHonorable*Frosty*
from the absurd to the delusional
Koooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllll
(As Chilly Willy used to say)
We Kool
;)
just driving by this evening but i thought i'd say hi to gig...
...and oh yeah, tell sally to fuck himself.
That Kool, was for FOS. Sally can still drop dead, for all I care. Foul language, indeed, coming from the racist homophobic anti American anti Jewish hate mongering Pug mouthpiece, and he's "offended" by a "nasty" 4 letter word after he talked IN GLOWING AND LAUGHING TERMS about beheadings and hangings.
Hypocrite, thy name is asswipe!
Sorry about the typos.
I'm chill but that don't mean I'm not still pissed off at the double standard.I'm done stating what I know is right.
PS. When people do watch the News, I hope they pop off a letter to the editor when she/he says exactly everything about Hillary that I did.
:)
In the freezer behind your pretend MENSA certificate, which is next to your pretend brain.
I demonstrates a lack of vocabulary and profound dumbness.
Posted by TheRightHonorable*Frosty* on January 20, 2007 at 11:41 PM
Now, THAT'S a "Keeper".
Awww, changing the rules in the middle of the game? CHEATER'S PROOF!!
L-7
{{Gregg}}...It's good to catch you in real time.. I hope that you and the family and the pooch are keeping warm. One of these days we all have to hook up at Joe's place for real.
Good night, and sweet dreams everybody.
Now, THAT'S a "Keeper".
Posted by DPD on January 20, 2007 at 11:44 PM,
Unfortunately, DPD, it appears that signor brainfreeze is ours to keep. Oh well, maybe one day he'll thaw out, and won't be such an idiot. Maybe that's why he's such an advocate of global warming because he see's it as self-help for his frozen brain cells.
fakeAZZmarine thinks that Saddam was the embodiment of radical islam. LOL!
Although I have demonstrated your lack of vocabulary and profound dumbness too by siting examples.
'C' what happens when you try to be superior to the superior Party? You start spllieelngign wreieried!
Lot of good discussion tonight, sorry I missed most of it, all have a goud sundae!!;)
DPD on January 20, 2007 at 11:59 PM,
It's a republican thing. They also think that incite means the same as insight.
well time for bed. speaking of pretend how about " let's pretend we know something about reality"?
"The Republicans will hold a 4 seat advantage in both the House and the Senate.
That prediction may change again but one thing is certain - it will not be a blowout year for either side.
Posted by FrostyPumpkins on November 2, 2006 at 03:21 AM"
nite prediction boy. hahahaha
I NKWO, (tee-hee), that's why they have been plastering the web with ONE "article" that Hillary sent out Ops to scout out 08ama's school when he was SIX EFFIN'YEARS OLD. It's all a bunch of FOX "News" invented "controversy" until they can either find or kill a 19 year old drunk chick, because the Islands are really nice this time of year.
It's called a "working vacation" and is written off on the tax forms.
Really, was the Scott Petersen case anything other than a way to send some NYC shills to Malibu for a month, or the 27 FOX people sent to Aruba to "cover" a "missing" (probably dead) drunk chick on College Break anything other than a tax write-off for those pricks at the Pug Pravda on the Potomac?
One of the FOX "perks" seems to be manufactured stories in Cancun, or Monte Carlo, or some other warm classy locale.
AND THEY WRITE IT OFF, as do the "employees".
Lesseee, WHICH Pug "works" for FOX, and did ANY of them hitch a ride on one of their "NEWS" STORIES?
I'll bet a lot that it was A LOT!
Give me a break. It's ALL tax write offs, and they are going away now that the adults are in charge of the credit card.
The best thing about having President Hillary Clinton address the nation on a regular basis, is knowing that some people on the far right fringes of reality will go berserk every time they her and start banging their heads against the wall.
what a nice surprise so late at night on a Saturday - I see some old buddies.
So, the inevitable has happened and Hillary has tossed her hat into the ring. PLEASE tell me that this '08 battle will NOT cause a disruption in the Democratic unity in Congress!?
Posted by dorsano on January 21, 2007 at 01:03 AM
Or, if they prefer, I'll buy the rope! (Since they have been jumping off a cliff for 6 years, it's up to THEM what to do with it.)
If I had my 'druthers...
Posted by DPD on January 21, 2007 at 12:21 AM I NKWO, (tee-hee), that's why they have been plastering the web with ONE "article" that Hillary sent out Ops to scout out 08ama's school when he was SIX EFFIN'YEARS OLD.
Insight Mag is the "conservative" voice that helped fund the sexual harrassment suit against B. Clinton. They're publishing an "article" about H. Clinton trashing Obama about his "Muslimness" which some people are linking too.
This is more of the GOP surrogate's time honored sport of "Let's get Democrats to Shoot Eachother" while they pop open a bud to watch and giggle.
Posted by MIKaren on January 21, 2007 at 01:09 AM what a nice surprise so late at night on a Saturday - I see some old buddies.
Karen!!! Karen, babaren, fofaren, babaroony, Karen!!!
Posted by gregg on January 20, 2007 at 11:26 PM just driving by this evening but i thought i'd say hi to gig...
Yeah sure. Say hi to a German and forget to say hi to a fellow Italian. OK. I know how I rate.
Hey!!, K!!!!
How's things? Have you gotten to the "Irish Hills" yet?" That freaky Christ on the Cross thing shouldn't really be on a Public Park, but it's still a nice area, and only a hop, skip, and a jump from HELL, MICHIGAN, 48169!!
HOWDY, Dorsano. I was actually thinking about you just the other day, wondering how MN politics was working these days.
Howdy, DPD. I work next to the Irish Hills, down in Clinton, MI, now. It's a beautiful area, and the fall leaves were breathtaking. This last week's winter ice storm embraced trees in an icy tomb and it was heart-stopping gorgeous when the sun hit them just so. I nearly drove off the road admiring the view!
How's the ticker, friend?
"Congress must act to block Bush's escalation in Iraq. We need a responsible end to the war, not an escalation." A compiled petition with your individual comment will be presented to your senators and representative when you click the link below.
I did run over a family of raccoons a couple months ago in that area, though :( and it was fairly devastating for our little VW. Since our van was stolen, it's the only car we have, but still I was mostly horrified by the raccoons..
Posted by MIKaren on January 21, 2007 at 01:20 AM wondering how MN politics was working these days.
The state is almost as blue as it was in the 70's. One of the Dem congressional pickups came from MN CD1, Tim Waltz who is a great guy. That district has be Republican for quite awhile. He'll do a great job making the people there comfortable with voting Democratic.
We lost the governor's race and a congressional race in MN CD6 just north of me. CD6 is a tough district to win and it was a long shot.
Our Republican governor should not be underestimated. He's going to help run McCain's campaign.
Thanks, DKA! Will sign meself right up for that, esp. in light of losing another 20 soldiers Saturday!
Posted by MIKaren on January 21, 2007 at 01:25 AM Since our van was stolen, it's the only car we have
Did that happen at home? Was it covered by your home owner's insurance?
Good job! well, except for the Governorship. Yeah, heard he's thick with the thieves. My little ol' district nearly went blue, and on a mostly unknown (and even more, crazy as a hatter to those who do know her) Democrat just to dump the Republicans. Unfortunately, the Republican was given a chunk of change the last month by the national level folks and his media blitz sealed the deal. We were still within 15pts, and this is a district of either rich or redneck folks who usually take 40+pts, so there's hope for '08!! Trying to convince my state Rep to run since she's term limited outta her job in '08, but so far no go.
The van - hilarious story - stolen in front of the juvenile courthouse in downtown Detroit. I only had state's minimum insurance (it was a stupid '91 Dodge Caravan - who the hell would want THAT, we thought), and my job can't help out, either. So we're waiting for our tax return.
Ok, my friend, off to slumber... and perhaps to dream of frogs, princes, and lily pads... heh heh.
Posted by MIKaren on January 21, 2007 at 01:37 AM The van - hilarious story
Jeez, Karen. You've always seemed to hold close an optimistic view of things and to enjoy your kids and life in general - I hope everything else is going well.
G'Nite, {{Karen}}, I didn't know there were enough people driving in Downtown Detroit for a moving car to get lost in "the crowd"! You could drive down the sidewalk of Woodward and not hit anyone if you were trying!
Ticker is O.K. so far, had a roto-rooter done on Christmas day. All the clogs were rodded out, then when I got home I had one of the BESTEST Christmasssesss EVAH!! A WHOLE set of 'Williams Sonoma' cookware, a new electric piano. and a buncha other great stuff!
I musta been a good boy!!
;)
Sleep well, my wolverine-ish friend. (I'm a Spitoon).
Posted by MIKaren on January 21, 2007 at 01:40 AM Ok, my friend, off to slumber... and perhaps to dream of frogs, princes, and lily pads... heh heh.
Sweet dreams, Karen.
Judiciary Committee presses Gonzales on security
WASHINGTON - Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee, joined by Republican Sen. Arlen Specter, pressed Attorney General Alberto Gonzales today to explain why it took years to give a special national security court control over the government's domestic spying program.
Committee members pummeled Gonzales, in his first congressional appearance since Democrats seized control of Capitol Hill, with allegations that the administration has damaged the country by trampling on federal civil rights laws and the Constitution in its hunt for terrorists.
dorsano is still up! Let's do a road trip and look at Bobby Zimmerman's ice skates! I gots lotsa extra "miles" on my card! (Next year it's gonna be Philly!"
Posted by DPD on January 21, 2007 at 02:29 AM Let's do a road trip and look at Bobby Zimmerman's ice skates!
You're on. Sounds like the Never Ending Tour to me.
Speaking of ice skates, I stopped by at the The U.S. Pond Hockey Championships today at Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis. The link above isn't updated with the 2007 results yet. And since all but one of my kids have flown the coup I couldn't field a team. But it was grand sight none the less.
I've always believed that Indiana loves basketball only because they don't have pond hockey.
Posted by DPD on January 21, 2007 at 02:29 AM dorsano is still up!
But I'm off to bed. Take care, friend.
I heard today from an authoritative source that global warming is real. It's because of the sun - which seems sort of true it seems to me since the sun has warmed our planet for, well, for as long as our planet has been around.
It seems that the sun's ability to heat the planet is directly related to the planet's ability to trap the heat.
Go figure.
Posted by TheRightHonorable*Frosty* on January 21, 2007 at 02:45 AM
Fuck YOU Sally. That cross was put up way back when, and during the Ray-Gun (mis)admistration the land was up for sale. The CITIZENS of Michigan wanted it to remain a park, so the CITIZENS BOUGHT IT!!.
That's when the nut cases (pseudo Christians)) demanded that the cross remain. I used to camp there a LOT and that creepy cross always gave me the heebie-jeebies, ESPECIALLY when MY tax dollars were involved.
Shut the fuck up unless you know what YOU are talking about. I'll bet actual money that YOU have NEVER been to the Irish Hills. (Now the 12 year old 68 year old "man" will 'Google Earth" the name and become an instant "expert".)
And, BTW, asswipe...since HELL MICHIGAN has a ZIP CODE (48169) that means that the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT recognizes its existence!
Just like "Miracle on 34th Street".
Idiot.
G'Nte, dorsano. I guess there is NO intelligent life in this Universe anymore tonight.
Carry on, maintain, fight the good fight, screw the Pugs, be a REAL American and NOT a Bush ass-kisser....
You know the drill.
Sally is an idiot.
'Nuff said.
I hope someone stabs a cross through your heart, and puts it on You Tube.
I'll bring popcorn.
I forgot to mention, DPD. The guy that told me that the planet was warming, has said for the longest time that it wasn't warming.
So I guess he's warming up to global warming.
But it's all just a hobby for him. And he doesn't care much about anything except trying to tweak "liberals".
The "right" has trashed environmental stewardship for so long, that he's gonna really flip when the "right" adopts environmental stewardship in a big way - as it becomes big business.
It's all "just a hobby" for him as he's said on more than ocassion. Which is another way of saying: "There's no integrity involved."
cya
Posted by Kathleen on January 20, 2007 at 11:20PM
Excellent post, well thought out, solid comment...good job Kathleen!!
Fade..Good morning...yes Mamasan, the Lab and I will be going out for the "old folks" cheapie breakfast shortly. It's a quiet time for us to have a few minutes together before the day starts and the grands start demanding all of her time. We have been together 40 some odd years now and she's still the best thing to ever happen to me....Love and Peace....Later....John Boy.....
i see our highly spiritual, creationist, racist, homophobic, scientific method denying troll was thrashing about last night. makes me realize i need to get some brownback/delay bumper stickers made up....
Swordfish and jellyfish thrive in warm N. Atlantic
Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:38am ET
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent
OSLO (Reuters) - Parts of the North Atlantic are setting winter heat records, allowing species ranging from swordfish to jellyfish to thrive beyond their normal ranges in a shift linked by many scientists to global warming.
Temperatures in Arctic waters off northern Europe at the tail end of the Gulf Stream, for example, are about 6.7 Celsius (44.06 Fahrenheit), the highest for early January since records began in the 1930s, according to Norway's Institute of Marine Research.
The world's oceans are already in a warming trend that could alter fish stocks, perhaps damaging coral reefs that are vital nurseries for tropical species while boosting northern stocks of cod or herring.
"The global oceans have been warming since the middle 1970s and several studies have shown that the warming can be attributed to a human-produced signal," said James Hurrell of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research.
save the oceans
bushworld, god help us:
Last Updated: Sunday, 21 January 2007, 08:25 GMT
Troops in as bombs strike Baghdad
Iraqi forces are struggling to stem the violence in Baghdad
More than 3,000 US troops have arrived in Baghdad, the first deployment of extra forces promised for the Iraqi capital by US President George W Bush.
The US military confirmed the troops' arrival, as seven people were killed in Baghdad by two bombings.
A bomb on a minibus killed six people in Karrada, a mostly Shia district. The second bomb hit central Baghdad.
Those bombs came a day after one of the US' deadliest days in recent months, with 17 soldiers killed on Saturday.
Elsewhere, a British soldier in southern Iraq was killed by a roadside bomb near Basra, commanders in the region said.
The soldier was travelling on a Warrior armoured vehicle when he was killed early on Sunday.
Grim toll
The Associated Press said the bombed minibus in Baghdad was ferrying passengers to Karrada when the explosion occurred at 0815 (0515 GMT), shattering the windows of nearby shops.
We pulled out three charred bodies, and badly injured people were taken to the hospital by a pickup car
Karrada eyewitness
The bomb may have been left in a bag by a passenger getting off the bus, police said, although there were reports that it was a suicide bombing.
Faris Mahdi, who works in a nearby shop, told AP: "We had just arrived to open our shop when we heard the sound of a big explosion and saw a fire in a small bus.
"We pulled out three charred bodies, and badly injured people were taken to the hospital by a pickup car."
New push
The 3,200 extra troops sent to Baghdad are the advance guard of a 21,500-strong deployment ordered by President Bush earlier this month.
Baghdad remains plagued by bombings, killings and sectarian violence.
The US deployment is aimed at augmenting the efforts of Iraqi security forces to combat violence in the city.
Mr Bush has admitted that the battle for Baghdad will prove crucial to the outcome of the conflict in Iraq, but his plans are opposed by political rivals in the US.
Sunday's violence came one day after the US suffered some of its heaviest military losses in recent months.
A military helicopter came down outside Baghdad, killing all 12 people on board.
In a separate incident, the US military said five of its soldiers were killed in a clash with militants in the Shia holy city of Karbala as pilgrims began gathering for a holy ceremony.
The 10-day Ashura commemoration, one of the holiest occasions in the Shia calendar, begins on Sunday.
now here is a lighter story that makes me think two things:
Shot duck survives 2 days in fridge
Posted 1/20/2007 5:13 PM ET
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — The duck wouldn't die.
Wildlife officials said the feathered Lazarus had been shot by a hunter and put into his refrigerator for two days. That's when the hunter's wife opened the door and the duck lifted his head, giving her a scare.
1. how is harry the face?
2. did i see cheney's balding dome behind the brussel sprouts last night when i opened the freezer to reach for the stoli?
Morning, Dems! Sunday line-up from Kos:
MTP: Today’s Sam Ervin, Senator Ted Kennedy. One month shy of his 75th birthday, and still sharp as a tack.
McNeoCain. He’ll lick Bush’s boots. He was just on the weekend after the election – are the neocons down to their last puppet ??
This Week: Sam Brownback. Also, Gov Richardson will announce his 2008 candidacy (boy, did he pick the wrong weekend to give up cigarettes and rotisserie baseball).
Ya know, they’ve both have been working on Darfur, but I betcha that'll go unnoticed.
Roundtable HELL - Sam Donaldson, Cokie Roberts and George Will.
And somebody actually wrote a book on the Harriet Miers nomination – it tentatively titled, "The Best Justice, EVER!"
Face the Nation: Chuck Hagel continues his smackdown.
MSM elitists John Harris and Jim Vandehei roll out their silly DC Blog, "Defunct.com." Just kiddin', actually, its formerly known as "Whitehouse.gov" - Hahahhahahhahhahaha,! This stock is rated a SELL.
Philosophical question: if you publish a story and NOBODY reads it, was it actually published ??
I’ve seen their line-up, its the worse of the worst: not only Harris (an outright liar and Clenisphile) but also Mike Allen (Rove’s cutout) and Roger Simon. Roger is way past his prime, he spends half the day filing his story, via Morse code.
60 Minutes: pre-empted by the playoffs.
CNN: First off, Baaadaasss Pat Leahy vs Lindsey Graham. Give’m HELL, Pat !!
Then this is really weird: winger Mike Pence, Iraq’s US Ambassador, and Rumsfeld’s parrot, General Richard Liars vs Maxine Waters. Liburel media bias in action !!
Surely, they’ll add another Democrat to balance the lineup – WON’T they ???
Fox: Little Charlie McCarthy asks Biden and Levin "for the Democratic alternative" to Bush’s ESCALATION.
LOL!
Fox - what a bunch a freakin’ turds. Ya know, its one thing for Fox and their fellow stooges to repeat White House propaganda, but this has been popping up in the MSM.
I swear, these lazy, stupid, corrupt MSM morons should be fired for stealing from their employers. They’re not even reading their own papers. I betcha they're simply filing WhiteHouse copy.
The Democrats have been pushing alternatives since Oct 2005, beginning with Murtha’s redeployment, and most recently, the Baker-Hamilton report. HELLO!
Evil Newt Gingrich will also appear, representn’ the Wicked wing of the Rpublican party. It’s a pretty BIG wing.
Special Viewing: CBS Sunday Morning
Singer-songwriter, Regina Spektor.
Eileen Fisher: style, self-determination, and women.
Picasso's influence on American artists Stuart Davis, Willem de Kooning, Roy Lichtenstein and Jasper Johns.
How walking improves the mental condition.
Famous feuds: move over, Rosie/Donald.
And Nancy Giles !!
this is an excerpt from salon about a big repub pow-wow:
The GOP hides from Iraq
At the party's winter meeting Tony Snow reassured worried Republicans that the president "is not in the fetal position." But pep talks couldn't chase the fear that an unpopular war could doom the party in '08.
By Michael Scherer
Jan. 21, 2007 | WASHINGTON -- Even the White House's chief spin doctor had to acknowledge the obvious. "I look around right now," said Tony Snow on Saturday morning. "A lot of people are dispirited."
Before him sat several hundred Republican Party officials, committee chairmen and chairwomen and executive directors from all 50 states, who had just endured the three-day winter meeting of the Grand Old Party. Snow had shown up for what he called a "pep talk" over a breakfast of eggs and waffles. He spoke of President Bush as an "aerobic" president and a "force of nature," who stretches his quads during meetings at the Oval Office and whose spirit has not been dimmed by the 2006 elections. But at points, the pep resembled a postmortem. "The election shook up a lot of people, as you know," Snow told the crowd. "The Republican Party does not need to remake itself. It needs to recover its soul."...
ok, let's analyze this piece:
"bush is an aerobic president"...i guess he is getting a nice aerobic workout trying to chase his former supporters as they run away from him..."a force of nature"...not unlike a good morning dump..."who stretches his quads during meetings"...as yes those exhibitionistic morons in meetings who roam about stretching, flexing, scratching and usually having no idea what the hell is actually being discussed....in fact if you watch bush he walks as if he has these huge lats muscles, this is the kind of thing junior high school boys do as they wait for their pubic hair to appear on the scene and keep an eye open for snapping towels in the locker room.
in fact that is exactly who has been misusing the country for the past six years, an arrogant, self centered, immature junior high school moron.
good morning cyn. ten outside. the pooch wants me to take her out so i guess its layers time.
Morning, gg. 7 degrees here and 3 out to the Lake, but it's bright and sunny!
Morning, Dems! Sunday line-up from Kos:
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Good mornin Cyn and others, cold here in central NJ but sounds like it's way colder in NY.
Al Rogers is right on target. What a stinky, biased media lineup. That's why I limit my viewing to one show at most and many times to NO shows.
You would think that there never was an election in 2006. The voters resoundingly rejected the neocons and theocons yet the MSM is still dominated by them. I say let's not watch them and let their ratings continue to plummet. Eventually, the money grubbers will figure out that the neocons and theocons are not popular.
The 3,200 extra troops sent to Baghdad are the advance guard of a 21,500-strong deployment ordered by President Bush earlier this month.
Baghdad remains plagued by bombings, killings and sectarian violence.
The US deployment is aimed at augmenting the efforts of Iraqi security forces to combat violence in the city.
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More troops won't help - it will probably get way worst. The only people who can stop the violence in Iraq are the Iraqi people. They must feel it's their country and that their government is not a puppet of the United States. That's why we must redeploy in 6 months instead of escalate. But with neocons and theocons in the WH plus jerks such as McNeoCon and Weaselman, it's hard to do anything about it short of cutting the money.
Posted by rjsnj on January 21, 2007 at 08:42 AM
Morning, rj. Although I always post the lineup, I usually end up watching Charles Osgood or C-Span.
Good morning Cyn and Gregg...back from breakfast...yumie!....I just sent an email to Gov Vilsack about Bush and "his" attack fleet off the coast of Iran....the gov had some good remarks yesterday at the Granite State Independent Living Group .........
Morning, rj. Although I always post the lineup, I usually end up watching Charles Osgood or C-Span.
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cyn, I like Al Rogers summary! It always brings a chuckle. It used to be front paged on KOS but for some reason dropped off ... Thx for posting it.
I sure wish we had a balanced media. I don't think we will get there until the fairness doctrine is restored. In the meantime, all that talks to the media is money. Hopefully, a fall off in ratings will translate to some sort of action.
What a shame that Maxine Waters has to go up against three Puggie militarists! It's people like Maxine and Dennis Kucinich that we need to hear from. Not Weaselman, McNeoCain and the parade of neocon and theocon pundits.
You are so right, rj
Morning, goodfoe! Lucky you going out for breakfast. I am cooking breakfast sausage and getting the egs and toast ready now.
"The tax code unfairly penalizes people who do not get health insurance through their job," Bush said. "It unwisely encourages workers to choose overly expensive, gold-plated plans. The result is that insurance premiums rise, and many Americans cannot afford the coverage they need."
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The crack head Bush wants to tax workers just because they get health care insurance at work?
Let me inform the crack head:
1) No employer gives away gold plated plans. At best you may have a choice between a PPO and HMO. In many cases, no choice at all.
2) No employer plan is free. You pay up to 300 per month from your paycheck. It's standard to pay way over 33% of the premium and in some cases now 50% of the premium.
3) You pay all of the usual deductibles and co-pays as if you purchased a plan outside of work.
In short, it's a benefit but not a great one. In many cases, it's a very small benefit where the employee is paying most of the premium.
So, why is the crack head taxing the middle class even more? How does this help people with no insurance? A tax cut for them is unlikely to help much.
How about a single payer system? How about a multi payer system with strict price controls? These are the systems that are in place in every country in the industrialized world except this one.
I hope that Dems reject this outright as rubbish and propose at least a multi payer system with strict price controls.
Good morning rj...
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good morning goodfoe. I posted a snippet of Bush's SOTU address that the WH leaked to the media (as is their customary practise). Can you believe what the crack head is proposing to do to fix health care? This man is clueless. I have never seen a prez that is as wrong as this one is about EVERYTHING!
rj.....you said it well....anything Bush proposes will enrich the criminal insurance companies and HMO's. It is not intended to help the American people..If Congress does not want to reform the existing situation, an easy solution is to just put the other 300 million of us on their plan!!!I think either Cyn or Salute first proposed this...Sounds good to me!!!!
If Congress does not want to reform the existing situation, an easy solution is to just put the other 300 million of us on their plan!
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goodfoe, I like that answer. It's the one that John Kerry came up with in 2004! I also like the solution of putting all government workers on social security (including and especially the politicians). In general, systems of shared value and risk are the most just for any society.
As I see it there are four systems of health care in the world:
1) Chaos. That's what we have right now. No system at all, just a bunch of bandaids.
2) Socialized medicine where health care professionals (doctors, etc...) work for the government and everyone has coverage. This is
the system in the UK.
3) Single payer where health care professionals are privatized but insurance is provided by a single entity - government/ appointed agency.
This is the health care system in Canada.
4) Multi payer where health care professionals and insurance are privatized. Prices are strictly regulated by the government. Everyone has insurance which may be subsidized by the government according to a person's means. This is the system in the Netherlands.
Examine the rest of the industrialized world and they fall into 2 - 3. The United States falls in with the rest of the 3rd world. Nice eh!
rj....I wish we sould trans. these posts starting with your post at9:11 but I have not a clue on how to do that...health care is an important issue...
rj....I wish we sould trans. these posts starting with your post at9:11 but I have not a clue on how to do that...health care is an important issue...
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goodfoe, I copied and pasted the last one into the new thread. I am in the new thread now.
rj....I wish we sould trans. these posts starting with your post at9:11 but I have not a clue on how to do that...health care is an important issue...
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goodfoe, I copied and pasted the last one into the new thread. I am in the new thread now.
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