Saturday Open Thread
I spent my Saturday protesting with hundreds of thousands of people from all over the country who want to see the war in Iraq end. It was my first protest on the Mall, and pretty amazing to see the crush of people coming together with a common purpose.
This is an open thread...
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For those of you that might of missed it. Anti-war protest. Bring the troops home from Iraq.
Watch the video in the link below. There's a 30 second commerical then it goes right into the protest. Check it out folks:
http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2007/01/27/vo.dc.anti.war.protest.cnn/content.html
If you want to read more see link below:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/27/iraq.main/index.html
Bombs are the latest in a series of attacks on Baghdad markets. The two bombs went off within minutes of each other. Full story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6305037.stm
Tens of thousands of protesters have demonstrated in Washington to demand the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. Full Story:
Has the decider decided to end the war, or has he started another one?
We know he won't listen to congress or the American people.
I think they should be mandatory on all new construction, (as well as solar panels).
Posted by DPD on January 27, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 27, 2007 at 01:16 PM
Looking back, I see that dpd & Johnedwrd were discussing options to conserve energy. I've been having a brain tick on the article I posted about Washington urging scientists to develop ways to reflect sunlight as 'insurance'
What in the world is our government doing to the earth & those who inhabit here?
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:15 PM
Did ya ever stop to think that if congress does cut off funding, that w would not only leave those there, but send more in without the means to protect themselves?
Posted by Esmeralda on January 27, 2007 at 06:21 PM
the best way i've heard of to reflect significant amounts of heat back into space is the ice caps. it's called 'albedo'. as the earths temp. rises because of the 'greenhouse' effect, the shrinking ice caps reflect less and less heat and the problem is compounded. i can't imagine any reflective surface humanking could construct that would be large enough to replace the lost ice and snow of the polar caps. the only resonable fix is to reduce as soon as possible the gases preventing heat from escaping back into space.
starting today and until he's back in his out house in crawford, tx.....
BUSH IS IRRELEVANT!
Stop thinking like a politican, think like a human.
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:33 PM
I don't know if that was directed to me or just a general statement. If it was to me, very funny you are.
I do think (as what I have always posted that I am...a simple gal from a tiny hamlet, a hillbilly to boot) w would leave the troops there without protection and he wouldn't lose one wink of sleep if he wanted to send in more than the 21,000 he has decided need to go now.
Your bitching and moaning won't accomplish anything on a blog, but if it gets your rocks off, have at it.
How about putting American Service members on stage
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:40 PM
i think forest gump did that already....
not to be a smart ass about the forest gump reference, but the point of that scene in the movie was more about love conquering all when his 'girl' showed up in the middle of the refelection pool. and that is exactly where this was is most tragic and most vunerable, its devestating and heart breaking consequences to families, the lose of thousands of husbands, fathers, and sons to its undeniable senselessness. we should end it, and we should end it now.
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Maybe you're eyesight is failing?
Come on. It's the Democrats who are trying to get us out of this mess in Iraq.
Murtha put his head on the block and challenged the president. The rest of the Democrats in Congress fell behind him one by one. Few Republicans have been so bold...and the Bush crime family will ruin their lives for doing it.
That's the difference and you know it.
You just want things to move faster. So do we. But we do not have a veto-proof majority in the Senate. We can't even get enough Republicans willing to vote with us to pass a minimum wage bill.
You'll go right out and vote Green again, won't you? And then come back in here in two years and say there is no difference between the parties.
You are your own worst enemy. I'm done with trying to reason with you. Good luck in trying to convince the Republicans to end the occupation.
Clinton concedes role in authorizing warBy MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
DES MOINES, Iowa - New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton blamed President Bush on Saturday for misusing authority given him by Congress to act in
Iraq, but conceded "I take responsibility" for her role in allowing that to happen...
Clinton seems to finally be moving away from the past. Let's see if she is serious about wanting to head the party and lead us away from Iraq.
evening dems
fade- if you wander by again, thanks for that youtube video you posted this afternoon- the tears are welling up in the corners of my eyes- i came up here with my guitar looking for the lyrics to neil young's "the campaigner", and stopped by to scroll through
jen and i started "the deer hunter" late last night (the wee hours) and finished it late this morning/early afternoon- always had a soft spot for the movie as the state-side scenes were largely filmed where i was born (mingo junction- steubenville, ohio)- it was hard, after seeing the movie, not to tear up listening to the speeches at the rally today- the vietnam scenes- of deniro and walken on the road with the throngs of vietnamese on the road to saigon, the archival footage of saigon in '75 with the copters taking the lucky ones away- the scenes of another failed imperial adventure, all those wasted lives for the lies of this country's ignorant/careless/greedy bastards- all strangely similar to our present moment in time- the question is whether the opposition will tell the criminals in the white house that it is over now (and if they persist, impeach/indict) or will the "war party" continue to send young men and women to the middle east to die so that they can continue this imperialistic fantasy for another 8-10 years?
sandy- have to comment on your post and come out now, if i haven't already- i can't stand hilary clinton- i can't stand the clintons, i can't stand the thought of more dynastic politics in this country- and i am willing to be that there are thousands just like me in this party, not to mention the hatred that the republicans have for this family- hilary and bill are a part of everything that is wrong with the democratic party and with this country- they are a part of everything that is wrong with the democratic leadership council- they are a part of everything that is wrong with that rat rahm emanuel, that rat joe lieberman, etc. etc.-
this democrat has made a decision not to support the monied interests and dynastic politics of hilary clinton- can i get an amen?
thank you dka.
time for bush and cheney to go.
Posted by gregg on January 27, 2007 at 06:04 PM
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You're most welcome Gregg. We have to get the word out and demand this congress stop funding this Iraq war and Impeach both Bush and Cheney.
Photo gallery of the protest against the Iraq war. Once you get to the webpage scroll down slowly to see the photos:
Subject: Help
Helping Lara Logan (updated 1/26)
An unusual plea from CBS News Foreign Correspondent Lara Logan highlights the fact that the network television’s coverage of the Iraq war still leaves something to be desired.
By Rory O'Connor and David Olson.
Sometimes it’s hard to swim in the mainstream...
One would assume that Ms. Logan, as CBS chief foreign correspondent, has a fair amount of influence as to what stories she gets to cover, and that most of her important stories, once produced and delivered, will be broadcast.
But when the story comes out of the mean streets of Baghdad, and doesn’t fit the officially-sanctioned narrative of Iraqis and US soldiers working arm in arm to help protect thankful Iraqi citizens, even chief foreign correspondents sometimes need to ask for help in getting it seen.
Imagine our surprise recently when–over the digital transom–we received a copy of an email from a frustrated Lara Logan (see below)
In it, Logan asks for help in getting attention to what she calls “a story that is largely being ignored even though this istakingplace everysingle [sic] day in Baghdad, two blocks from where our office is located.”
The segment in question–”Battle for Haifa Street”–is a piece of first-rate journalism but one that only appears on the CBS News website–and has never been broadcast. It is a gritty, realistic look at life on the very mean streets of Baghdad, and includes interviews with civilians who complain that the US military presence is only making their lives worse and the situation more deadly.
“They told us they would bring democracy, they promised life would be better than it was under Saddam,” one told Logan.
“But they brought us nothing but death and killing. They brought mass destruction to Baghdad.”
Several bodies are shown in the two- minute segment–”some with obvious signs of torture,” as Logan points out. She also notes that her crew had to flee for their lives when they we were warned of an impending attack. While fleeing, another civilian was killed before their eyes.
Logan’s email, with the one-word subject line of ‘help’, was sent to friends and colleagues imploring them to lobby CBS to highlight that people are interested in seeing the piece.
In it, Logan argues that the story is “not too gruesome to air, but rather too important to ignore… It should be seen. And people should know about this.”
Enough is enough of this Iraq war. Since President Bush and Dick Cheney refuse to listen to the American people it's time that we take action. Contact your Representatives and Senators now and tell them to cut off all funding of the Iraq war. America voted for a change and we demand an end to the Iraq war now! Support our troops, bring them home now! You can take action to contact your Representatives and Senators by clicking on the links below:
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"Congress must act to block Bush's escalation in Iraq. We need a responsible end to the war, not an escalation." A compiled petition with your individual comment will be presented to your senators and representative when you click the link below.
sandy- we've come a long way since the days of edward r. murrow, no? it was hard enough on him, but the fact is that the corporate-owned news has sanitized reality in this country so much now that the citizens don't even care to watch the news anymore- why bother? it doesn't take long after reading and watching the news that the rest of the world is getting to know that the so-called news here is on a par with the worst sort of censored news that this country's supporters used to denounce in the soviet union- some are now saying that it might even be worse in its jingoism and misinformation
greetings, gentlebloggers
what a day! hope you all have had a wonderful day of Peace, reflection and remembrance for those who have died in Iraq. i count everyone, too. not just the Americans, but the people of this land whose blood was spilled for the lies this evil misadministration based this violence on...
jef, here's a film clip that moved me. i am a member of the reality based community. i have lost my faith, but i have hope. today was a good day for renewal of that. the mockery of prayer is illustrated in this clip. be warned.
for those of you who have supported this effort, either by being there, by painting signs, sending donations to moveon.org, CodePink or any of the United for Peace and Justice groups...or by keeping those emails and phone calls flowing...or by those good thoughts and positive intentions...
thank you.
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 07:28 PM
jefro,
I don't support her either. I was just reporting on the latest in her journey toward facing the future and reality.
I gave up on the Clintons when they sold out the middle class with NAFTA....I live in former Minority Leader Dick Gephardts's old district. Outsourcing have just about killed the industrial sector in Missouri.
The Clintons stabbed Gephardt and all working people in the back when they "compromised" with the Republicans on those "free trade" bills and by dropping the fight for universal health care.
They live in a world of compromise where nobody else compromises but them. It's comfy living where nobody has to take chances just sit on the "center" fence.
Ask Jack Murtha if that's living or just a slow way of dying.
great discussion, y'all...wish i didn't have to go.
i worked hard today...now, it's time to play hard.
BRING BACK THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE
(jef--it's worse because the people are not aware of the disiinformation, misinformation, propaganda, lies and corporate/government [read facist] control)
keep it lit~
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 07:44 PM
jefro,
You're preaching to the choir. FOS, DPD, and I were talking about this earlier today. The free press is in worse shape than when yellow journalism reigned back during the 1920's. If it wasn't for the bloggers and foreign media, we wouldn't have any idea what is going on in our own country.
A tepid "Amen" maybe, from me. My big sticking point is
BUSH
CLINTON
BUSH
CLINTON
and THAT is a deal killer from the git go. Not withstanding the FACT that this current asswipe is THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER (note that I didn't say "worst in history", but am designating him/it the WORST FOR ALL TIME TO COME), and his father was just a corrupt schlub who will hover around the lower 10% for ETERNITY, most people are tired of the same two names constantly popping up.
Hillary, Secretary of HHS.
Kucinich, Sec of Housing and Urban Affairs
Kerry, Sec of State...
etc.....
Time for somebody new, or at least a new name. the Dems are almost falling into that Kennedy Dynasty trap where no matter HOW much BETTER they would be than ANY Pug, the name will be a vote killer.
I'ts going to be "Give someone else a chance" and the voters will show it no matter who the competition is.
Chimpy the alky crack head basically KILLED any "Family Dynasty" crapola that anyone would want to spew for at least 50 years.
If Hillary gets the nod, I'll back her. Personally I'm sorry that Kerry (who was the best potential President in my lifetime, YES, better than Gore) decided to read the handwriting on the wall. If Gore decides, a GORE / KERRY ticket would REALLY rub the Chimp's nose in it, wouldn't it?
(Especially since KKKARL will most probably be in PRISON by then).
fade,
You're flying higher than a kite. Being part of the change can do that to you. Enjoy the night.
Good Evening,
I'm back. A new thread.
Sweet
To make a dynasty you need some charisma. Hillary doesn't have it. I don't know about Chelsea.
Nobody is going to jail but Scooter. His attorneys have that right. He is the scapegoat. The rest will walk...all the way to Paraguay it appears.
I think Kerry and Gore will be great counselors and maybe cabinet choices. I don't think Gore wants to run. But he might be pursuaded to be drafted.
dpd- i'm so sick of the two party system that i could scream- having said that, i like most everyone else usually bite the bullit and vote for whoever this party offers up in the end- i've had similar thoughts with regard to hilary, but at least right now, i cannot imagine following through on them- if this party offers hilary clinton on the ticket for '08, i'm going to have to find someone else to vote for- and maybe that is a good thing, because i believe that there will be many many people who cannot in good conscience vote for her or anyone else from the dlc- perhaps dennis kucinich will decide to try a third party run with nader in '08- i'm sick of watching the democratic party put up these weak-kneed, corporate shills as if they have anything different to offer americans that the other party isn't already proffering
sandy- you are so right, that hilary has no charisma- she is stiffer than that wooden indian al gore on his worst day- but she is a part of a dynasty- that has nothing to do with the fact that she has no charisma- that is just her and the dlc is not going to help her in anyway with that- they'll probably suggest that she should put a helmet on and ride in a tank or across a stage somewhere on a harley in pursuit of her lost charisma
Well, we did not get to see the march on TV. I was sad about that. They cut it off to go to Hillary. We love to watch the marching. Wonder why they did that?
Hey, a question for Howard Dean.
Dear Howard Dean, What I wanna know...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/27/163156/201
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 08:02 PM
jef,
You might as well vote for Pat Buchanan then. I don't know why there is so much pessimism inside the party when there are so many new faces popping up so full of promise. fade doesn't believe in God but she has hope.
Don't give in to believing that we have to live with what others tell us is all we deserve. We deserve so much more and we are going to get it.
I have to leave for a family visit.
Keep the faith, ok?
Good night, everyone.
"they cut it off to go to hilary"- yeah, i wonder why they did that too!- guess it has something to do with that dynasty thing- it was funny really- cspan claimed that they were going to some "town hall" meeting that hilary was having in iowa and when they cut to it, it didn't look like anything other than a big ol' rally with a bunch of hilaryhonks just honking it up for ol' hilary-
is this party ready for more of this? more of hilary and obama? sorry for you obama supporters too, but he is a relative newcomer that the dem party leadership has put up for our consideration as nothing but a foil for the coronation of hilary- hell, if he plays his cards right, she might even put him on the ticket- woopty f'in do!
SIGN THE PETITION TO CONGRESS! Tell Congress: Use Your Power to Bring the Troops Home Now:
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/ufpj/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=447
We call on you, as our elected representatives in the U.S. Congress, to use your power and take action to end the war in Iraq and bring all the troops home. We call on you to:
Vote for the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq;
Vote for full funding of veterans benefits;
Vote against any funds for military action of any kind in Iraq, except for the safe withdrawal of all our armed forces;
Vote for aid to reconstruct Iraq under Iraqi control;
Vote to redirect our tax dollars for social programs at home.
Posted by sunny on January 27, 2007 at 08:09 PM
He don't know. Ask the members of Congress themselves.
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 08:07 PM
That might make her look like a drag queen in a military fantasy? She really does need to get some tips from Pelosi on how to look feminine and still act strong.
Bless her soul, Clinton's looks alway become the focus of any discussion about her politically. That should be a real clue to the DLC that her chances of being elected president by a country obsessed with image.
bye.
I need A 20 Year Old.
I have the dumbest computer question in the world.
How do I find out what my URL is?
I know. I know.
;p
i am with fos....what the hell is my url?Posted by gregg on January 27, 2007 at 08:23 PM
LOL (Huggs) I guess we will sit here and wait for the answer together.
;p
A tepid "Amen" maybe, from me. My big sticking point is
BUSH
CLINTON
BUSH
CLINTON
Posted by DPD on January 27, 2007 at 07:54 PM
{{DPD}} It's funny that you said this. I was just talking to a friend the other day about this. The only "positive" thing would be that kids would have an easier time memorizing the presidents of the United States..
If Gore decides, a GORE / KERRY ticket would REALLY rub the Chimp's nose in it, wouldn't it?
Yes, that would be an awesome ticket!! But it really doesn't matter if they run, they are both already doing an awesome job trying to make this country and our planet a better place.
RSNJ (I hope I have your initials right), I hope you had a great time at the march and will share the details with us.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 27, 2007 at 08:26 PM
I'd love to help out but I'm over 30 and therefore have no clue ;)
In light of the authorization that Bush issued on January 26 about Iran, I was wondering if bloggers would look over the following articles and comment. I do not know if the info on Iran that Bush is feeding us is true or false, but I do think that we must absolutely verify it, and look into the sources.
Los Angeles Times, January 23, 2007 "Scant Evidence found of Iran-Iraq arms link" (Zavis, Miller, Spiegel, and Moore)
Los Angeles Times, January 23, 2007
"Iranian sees border danger" (Daraghahi)
Los Angeles Times editorial, January 22, 2007
"Financing Terrorists is not about speech"
re Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals comments about accused private citizens funding of State Department-designated terrorist organization Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MeK)
Check out the Iran Policy Committee and their White Paper about adding to the "surge"
Look up Alireza Jafarzadeh, connected to terrorist group MeK, and his lobbying efforts of Congress to overthrow the government in Iran using the "Resistance" and US suport.
We cannot let unverified, selective information lead our country into another conflict. It needs to verified by our own Intelligence Agencies, and they must be accountable for their work. We need to know the source of the Bush Administration "evidence" against Iran and whether it is reliable -- or at least Congress must know immediately.
What is the difference between a democratic congressman and a republican congressman? I can't tell the difference. Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Dude, if you can't tell the difference between somebody like a Ted Kennedy and a say, oh I don't know, like a Tom Delay or a Rick Santorum, then I feel sorry for you.
Your URL is your webb site address...do you have a webb site?
This is Bush Jr's foul up. He's been a failure at everything he's ever gotten involved with his entire life.
I have a webb site but nothing on it...lol...you can click my name and go there...I put the url in the space above the comment box
Okay, I get it folks.
Sorry about the 20's comment.
;p
The "URL" is the name of every webpage address on the internet. It's how the computer knows where to find the page.
Sorry about the 20's comment.;p Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 27, 2007 at 08:55 PM
I thought that comment was too funny and cute. My daughter is 20 and everytime I'm stuck on the computer....take a wild guess who I call for help :)
U.S. may cite Israel over cluster bombs
The Bush administration will notify Congress on Monday that Israel may have violated agreements with Washington when it fired U.S.-supplied cluster munitions into Lebanon in its war with Hezbollah last summer, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.
Posted by GiG on January 27, 2007 at 09:05 PM
See?
;p
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
Threat to the world is greater than terrorism.
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.
The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html
sandy- it isn't about whether hilary is obsessed with her image- you are right, she wouldn't need any help in appearing more hard than she already does so maybe the appearance in a tank or on a harley with jay leno wouldn't quite work for her- but, we can be sure that the image-meisters in the dlc will find something else for her to do that will be equally as damaging and embarassing for her- just think of kerry "reporting for duty" and saluting at the beginning of his speech at the convention- rather than speaking about his courageous actions before congress after coming home from the last great imperialistic failure speaking out against that war, they chose to have him pretend to be something he wasn't, and the country got the message loud and clear
i would never vote for pat buchanon because he is more wishy washy than anyone else that has ever considered running or placed themselves in the public eye- read his stuff at antiwar.com and then try to square it with the sniveling flip-flopper that appears on tv every week (every day?)-
pessimism is not something i aspire to, it is the reason that i think that morris berman's perspective is so galling, but there is no disputing the fact that this party and its leadership has made bad decisions for far longer than any of us would care to imagine- the dems have to tell the corporate puppet-masters that their partnership is long past over or we will continue to get borderline criminals like rahm emanuel telling this party what to do and how to vote in the interests of lining their own pockets with more corporate cash
Even Bush says Global Warming is real
Bush: Global Warming Real
In a striking about-face, the Bush administration has acknowledged that Earth is warming, and that the most likely cause is burning fossil fuels. The "U.S. Climate Action Report" acknowledged that global warming would "most likely" destroy alpine meadows, barrier islands and coral reefs. It may also cause the disintegration of southern forests. In the West, a decline in snow cover is expected to worsen water problems.
There's an anticle from a couple of years ago in the New Yorker titled "The Unbranding" about how DLC Dems like Hillary and Lieberman and others planned to make themselves look tough.
http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/050321fa_fact?fact/050321fa_fact
While growth of farm crops and forests is expected to increase, so will storms. Warming will also increase heat stress, air pollution and diseases transmitted by insects and rodents.
bush said he was a uniter and not a divider, he said that he did not believe in nation building, he said that he was for compassionate conservatism, he told us there were wmd's in iraq, he said that iraq had ties to al quada, he said he would listen to what the iraq study group had to say, he said he was going to do something about our dependence on oil, he said we were going to go to mars
and now he says that he believes in global warming? well, isn't that special
oh, there tough alright, and don't you forget it- so tough that they'll be the first in line to start the next war with iran- nobody has bigger balls than rahm emanuel, and don't you forget it (oh, and hilary and obama, and mushmout too)
and in the immortal words of slim pickens- whooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Now they want to send even more of jobs to China.
Intel seeks to make chips in China
China's government is considering a plan by Intel of the US to build a chipmaking plant in the north-eastern city of Dalian, say local industry officials.
Construction of such a fabrication plant, or fab, by the world's biggest chipmaker would mark a breakthrough for China's nascent semiconductor industry and a major expansion of Intel's presence in the rapidly growing Chinese IT market.
I listened to Bush Jr's State of the Union speech on Mike Malloy's radio show, (and Jim Webb's rebuttle and then the analysis of both the speech and rebuttle on NPR radio), so I didn't get to "see" any of it until the the News later that night. They showed the clip when Junior stated that he, "was going to cut gasoline consumption in our nation by 20%" and as soon as he got done saying that, Cheney sitting behind Bush's right shoulder begain laughing. So it looks to me like even "the real president" thinks chimpy is a baffoon and laughs at him behind his back. Did anyone else see that?
President Bush Discusses Global Climate Change
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. I've just met with senior members of my administration who are working to develop an effective and science-based approach to addressing the important issues of global climate change.
First, we know the surface temperature of the earth is warming. It has risen by .6 degrees Celsius over the past 100 years. There was a warming trend from the 1890s to the 1940s. Cooling from the 1940s to the 1970s. And then sharply rising temperatures from the 1970s to today.
There is a natural greenhouse effect that contributes to warming. Greenhouse gases trap heat, and thus warm the earth because they prevent a significant proportion of infrared radiation from escaping into space. Concentration of greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have increased substantially since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And the National Academy of Sciences indicate that the increase is due in large part to human activity.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010611-2.html
Posted by Domingo on January 27, 2007 at 09:39 PM
I watched the SOTU on and off and the most comical moment to me was when Bush talked about energy independence and Pelosi (and most of congress) stood up and clapped and Cheney remained sitting. You could almost see killer laser beams coming out of his eyes.. talk about if looks could kill.
Bombs at Baghdad market kill 15; 7 U.S. troops die
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Twin car bombs exploded in a busy Baghdad market Saturday morning, killing 15 people, Baghdad police officials said.
Separately, seven U.S. troops were killed in three incidents Saturday.....
And whats up with these protests, who is the strategic brainiac who puts them together. How about putting American Service members on stage, between every other speaker. Put family members of fallen service members (more than just Sec. of State Cindy Sheehan) or ones that are currently serving. Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:40 PM
I don't know how to break it to you, chief, but I was just listening to NPR discuss the protests and they were talking about the OTHER protestors there, who were FOR the war, and they were interviewing a bunch of military guys, one who had his leg taken off in Iraq. If these guys won't open their eyes to the fact that they lost limbs because of lies, that the Iraqis want them out, that they are not doing one single bit of good there, well, how can we ever convince them.
In a striking about-face, the Bush administration has acknowledged that Earth is warming, and that the most likely cause is burning fossil fuels.
Posted by Domingo on January 27, 2007 at 09:23 PM
William, Anybody with an open mind, who watches "An Inconvenient Truth" can never again dispute there is global warming, and that we are in deep shit. That is why he named it an Inconvenient Truth, because for politicians or others to admit to it, means they morally must do something about it.
He did an excellent job on that movie, I hope he wins the Oscar.
Sure Pam. "You know who" keeps saying there's no such thing as global warming, but even his hero Bush has already admitted there is. Troll needs to get his Republican talking points straight.
Americans in action!
Democratic lawmakers threaten to withhold funding for the war in Iraq. Read more >
Okay,
THIS right here is EXACLY why I am NOT going to get Married. This, no way. It's too much for me. This would be me. I so am feeling bad for the Bride right now. I am so not getting Married now.
Check Out This VIDEO.
Blood stains a shattered car in southeastern Baghdad on Saturday. Two car bombs struck a market in quick succession. Check out the photo gallery of the violence today:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0701/gallery.iraq.violence/frameset.exclude.html
I got no idea if that video is for real or a put on, but if it is real, the groom is in trouble.
Washington wakes up to global warming
Maybe it's the weird winter weather, or the newly Democratic Congress.
Maybe it's the news reports about starving polar bears, or the Oscar nomination for
Al Gore's global warming cri de coeur, "An Inconvenient Truth."
Whatever the reason, years of resistance to the reality of climate change are suddenly melting away like the soon-to-be-history snows of Kilimanjaro.
Now even George W. Bush says it's a problem...
I got no idea if that video is for real or a put on, but if it is real, the groom is in trouble.Posted by Domingo on January 27, 2007 at 11:17 PM
She went off! That was sad.
I'm scared.
:O
SNL is on right now.
New Episode.
:)
Maybe it's not a new episode. Wasn't he already on?
Oh well.
Everyone hit the sak already ?
Okay, Good Night all.
:)
Well hello Miss FOS, if you're still there?
If not, Good night.
FOS
Read your post on your blog about the poll on Hillary or whichever candidate.? Left a comment.
Polls mean nothing unless the information gatherer/ decision maker of the data and variables is reputable and has the credentials to prove such.
Don't sweat it.
the snows of Kilimanjaro are melting due to local agricultural practices (heat rising off of plowed fields)>
Posted by Cowboy on January 27, 2007 at 11:30 PM
and your point being?
Before I go,
Hi there GIG Some gorgeous weather today. Temp running about 74-76. Sunshine/blue skies all day.
with local practices and nothing to do with "human induced global warming". Posted by Cowboy on January 27, 2007 at 11:58 PM
and locals are not human?
looks like frosty or sally or Min tom has another new ID.....
Pretty pathetic.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:04 AM
So you have been out there? You were there in Vietnam and you are in Iraq now?
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Wow, all the way back to 1997! I'm impressed, this means that you are taking global warming seriously.
Posted by GiG on January 28, 2007 at 12:25 AM So you have been out there? You were there in Vietnam and you are in Iraq now?
If he was in Iraq, it would explain why the Muslims there aren't greeting us with rose petals.
Slideshow: Anti-War Protests
Check out the photos:
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/031806antiwar/im:/070128/photos_ts/2007_01_27t164728_303x450_us_iraq_usa_protests;_ylt=AnN3_VUygm6kt3pIsUXvV7rmWMcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--
Some of them did, if you allow yourself to recall.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:39 AM
Well, I know some people don't like you to talk about those things, I know that. Some people don't like you to mention certain things. Some people don't want you to say this, some people don't want you to say that. Some people think if you mention some things, they might happen. Some people are really fucking stupid. -George Carlin-
The soldiers aren't whining about their plight - the whiners are these perpetual anti Americans like Fonda and Kerry.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM
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Wrong! The anti-Americans are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld for all the lies they told about leading us into the war in Iraq as a result thousands of innocent people are dead because of this Iraq war! Opps! By the way, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 so if anything it's the right thing to do, to protest this Iraq war before our great nation goes bankrupt!
Suicide bombers strike in Baghdad
The aftermath of the Baghdad market blasts
Watch the video:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/video/75000/nb/75962_16x9_nb.asx
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM
I agree, soldiers do not whine.
Soldiers fight, soldiers protect, soldiers do what they have to, they will put their life on the line without ever asking and they will die fighting for what they are asked to do... and they do it because they love our country.
It is people like Senator Kerry, who had the guts to actually fight in a war, to come home and speak out.
I want our troops home, I don't think that is too much to ask for.
Pretty small turnout in Washington for the "peace rally" today - that's a good sign.
Posted by Cowboy
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This is small? You act as if only a couple of hundred people showed up. Get your facts correct.
Tens of thousands protest in Washington. Of those that couldn't make it quite a few others were active emailing petitions and contacting their Representatives/Senators and so on. The Iraq war is a complete waste of money and is getting innocent people killed for nothing. If anything the military could've been used full force to hunt down Osama Bin Laden to bring to justice for all the horrible things he did but Bush took his eye off the real threat and as a result here we are over 5 years later and Osama is still free!
This administration is going to go down as the worst in the history of the country!!!
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:39 AM Some of them did, if you allow yourself to recall.
I think the president messed things up too.
It would have helped if he hadn't begun by conflating 9/11 with Iraq. And hadn't tried to justify his actions with the doctrine of prevention.
Iraq is a sovereign nation. It will one day have a government that is accountable to its people. That day will come sooner - the sooner we leave.
Whether or not it was the right time for US to change the course of their country, they themselves will ultimately render judgement.
It's plain to everyone that we acted not only in the wrong way but in a way that greatly hurt our country.
I didn't know rose petals from Muslims meant so much to you. Do you have a tear in your eye?
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:56 AM
If you really believe that, where does it put our current leadership?
Americans must take their country back. Two third of the members in Congress and Senate have dual citizenship: Israel/USA. Russia has stopped this recently from not alowing people into political positions who have such dual citizenship. Very clever! The Jews tried to extend their influence there, too.
All protest will do nothing unless we the American people stop fighting wars for the Jews or for protecting their finance system.
The racist Jews think of US citizens as dumb asses - sorry but that is the unvarnished truth.
Great anti-bush-war turnouts in Washington DC, San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Looking through the pictures, I couldn't help noticing that Reuters called the demonstrators anti-war demonstrators.
The assholes from Associated Press called them anarchists. Piss on them.
Posted by PragmaticAmerican on January 28, 2007 at 01:09 AM C'boyy is like every other "double-wide" redneck from Channelview or Odessa
The "cowboy" in question lives in Minnesota and if he's ever ridden, it was probably on a drugged up trail horse.
If asshole and vice asshole keep up this war bullshit, there will be anarchists and they will regret the day they started this illegal war in Iraq.
IRAQ WAR PROTEST: Interview w/Rep. John Conyers
Watch the Video:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x14434
Posted by gmmonko on January 28, 2007 at 01:07 AM
You and cowboy would get along great. You two should make plans to meet for drink or something.
GiGster, DeLL, DKA, Johnedwrd, PragmaticAmerican
Have a great night.
Posted by gmmonko on January 28, 2007 at 01:07 AM
For the shame!! And they even have blacks in Congress!! You should go eat a bullet now.
Goodnight the rest of you. It's my turn to hit the hay.
Posted by PragmaticAmerican on January 28, 2007 at 01:33 AM
Point well stated.. good night all! {GIG} (seeing as your the only name I recognize)
reminder to self...never drink a pepsi while watching SNL.
Good golly, Steve. Who you typing at? BTW, yes, I do believe they were trying to make their job easier, but it bit them in the ass. We kept all our ballots in locked transfer cases and broke the seal in the presence of the observers, then stacked them according to voted numbers.
These deaths are presented another way in the little, black-edged boxes you see in many newspapers. (My hometown ledger, the New York Times, has one of these almost every day, placed wherever the humdrum bad news from Iraq happens to fall inside the paper and labeled, "Names of the Dead.") These, too, are taken from the Pentagon death announcements, which offer the barest of bare bones about those who just died. But they do tell you something that should be better noted in this country.
Take the Pentagon announcements for Iraq "casualties" from January 11th through January 23 - 21 dead in all, 17 from the Army, 2 from the Marines, and 2 from the Navy (one in a "non-combat related incident" in Iraq, the other in Bahrain).
it's from this link:
Posted by Esmeralda on January 27, 2007 at 06:21 PM
With that, I'm going to try to get some sleep.
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Today, all woodstoves and fireplace inserts, and some factory-built fireplaces, sold in the United States must meet this limit. Stove manufacturers have improved their combustion technologies over the years, and now some newer stoves have certified emissions in the 1 to 4 g/h range. The EPA certified emission rate is a reliable number that can be compared from one model to the next, but a one or two gram per hour difference in smoke emissions does not mean much in day-to-day use.
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better to burn a little wood a few days a year than alot of bullshit 24/7
Libby trial shows unsealed lips in CIA
Though the agency has sought to protect covert identities, the leak case reveals that the secrecy rules are sometimes ignored.
By Richard B. Schmitt, Times Staff Writer
January 28, 2007
WASHINGTON — From their earliest days, U.S. intelligence agencies have made it an article of faith to protect the identity of their secret agents. And in 1982, following a rash of malicious exposures, the CIA prevailed on Congress to make it a crime to knowingly disclose the identity of such operatives.
So in 2003, when the name of a CIA arms proliferation specialist, Valerie Plame, surfaced in a newspaper column, the agency immediately demanded a Justice Department investigation.
But last week, as former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby went on trial in connection with the leak, it appeared that neither the CIA nor some other intelligence community insiders were all that tight-lipped about such supposedly sensitive matters.
When it came to talking to outsiders, the agent's identity was often treated as not much more than water-cooler dishing or cocktail party chatter.
A high-level CIA official dropped Plame's agency connection into a conversation with a White House aide who did not know Plame existed. Another CIA official confessed that it was only after he had mentioned the agent's name to an official outside the agency that he felt a twinge of regret — a kind of belated "oops" — over what he had done.
And former Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage, a possible witness in the Libby trial, has acknowledged discussing Plame with a reporter. Armitage, an old hand at dealing with sensitive intelligence matters, later told a friend that gabbing about Plame was "the dumbest thing he'd ever done in his life."
The agent's identity wound up being a subject of discussion inside Washington's sprawling national security community after it was unveiled in a syndicated newspaper column. Libby is accused of lying to federal investigators looking into who leaked Plame's name to the columnist.
Plame is the wife of former envoy Joseph C. Wilson IV, who publicly raised questions about the intelligence used to justify the invasion of Iraq.
The revelations thus far in Libby's trial suggest that, though U.S. officials — especially within the Bush administration — have publicly insisted that secrecy is crucial in national security matters, there is a backstage world inside the government where even the most basic rules for protecting sensitive information may be ignored.
In theory, sensitive intelligence is highly compartmentalized and shared only on a need-to-know basis with people who have been cleared to receive it.
That was hardly the case with Plame.
In one instance described last week, the CIA's then-chief public affairs officer, William Harlow, apparently brought her name up almost in passing during a 2003 telephone conversation with his counterpart in Vice President Dick Cheney's office.
The White House official, Catherine J. Martin, then Cheney's director of communications, said, "It was a pleasant conversation. I had never spoken with him before."
Martin was calling about a report in the Washington Post that an unnamed diplomat had turned up evidence contradicting Bush administration claims about Iraq trying to get nuclear material from Niger. The story, and others that followed, said the diplomat had been sent to the African nation because of Cheney.
The vice president was upset over being linked to the venture, which undercut White House arguments about the Iraq threat.
Martin testified that Libby suggested she call Harlow.
"I remember talking about press reports about a former ambassador sent to Niger, and the press reports saying it was because of an inquiry by the vice president," she said.
"So I was saying, 'Who sent him? Who is this guy? And what are you saying to the press? It keeps getting reported that we sent him,' " Martin testified.
"Ultimately, I remember Bill Harlow saying his name was Joe Wilson, he was a charge in Baghdad and his wife works over here."
Harlow, responding to an e-mail request, declined to comment, citing the pending trial.
Libby allegedly learned that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA from the agency's top expert on Iraq, who testified Wednesday that he regretted passing along the tip.
Former CIA official Robert Grenier said he gave Libby the information. He said he had not remembered doing so when he initially spoke with investigators but recalled it later because he had a lingering feeling that he had done something he regretted.
"I recall feeling briefly guilty about it, that I had said too much," Grenier said. "By saying that Joe Wilson's wife was working in CIA, in effect I was revealing the identity of a CIA officer."
The law does not forbid all disclosures. It targets only leaks of identities of covert operatives and incidents where the recipient does not have a security clearance to receive the information. Libby, as Cheney's national security advisor and chief of staff, presumably had high-level security clearances.
But Grenier said he still had qualms about his actions "because it was not absolutely necessary for me to have said that…. Our habit is, if you don't need to say something, you don't."
CIA officials weren't the only ones trafficking in information about Plame. Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, scheduled to testify Monday, apparently disclosed her identity to several reporters.
Afterward, he was so concerned that he might have broken the law that he refused to cooperate with investigators until he was granted immunity from prosecution.
Plame had worked overseas, posing as a private energy consultant while working for a CIA department tracking weapons proliferation. Although she had been working at CIA headquarters at the time of the leak, the disclosure ended her clandestine career and could have endangered people who had helped her abroad.
In part, the readiness of intelligence officials to bring Plame into conversations with White House officials reflected an unspoken reality of politics and power in Washington: The CIA is an independent agency, but it serves the president and other high officials — who not only use the intelligence it provides but pass judgment on its performance.
"The CIA works both sides of the street, satisfying the political bosses while protecting turf and tradition," said Williams Banks, a professor at Syracuse University law school and a national security expert. "Ironic for sure, but part of the Washington fabric."
The political pressures were especially intense when the Plame case broke in 2003. The CIA was under White House scrutiny because of intelligence failures preceding the Sept. 11 attacks and the Iraq war.
The pressure was clear in Grenier's testimony:
The former CIA official recalled taking a call from Libby, who, with what Grenier described as a "slightly accusatory tone in his voice," wanted to know whether the CIA was involved in sending Wilson to Africa and whether it had done so because of interest expressed by Cheney's office.
"It was pretty clear from the context that he wanted answers as quick as I could get them. It was unusual for him to be calling me in the first place."
Grenier said he called an individual who worked in the CIA counter-proliferation division who informed him about the trip and that Wilson's wife was working in the unit that had sent Wilson there.
Before Grenier could report back to Libby, he said, Libby's office had him called out of a meeting with the CIA director. "I don't think I had ever been called out of a meeting with the director before or since," Grenier said.
"I told him, in fact, it was true that the CIA had sent Ambassador Wilson to Niger. And how much else I said about it I really don't recall. I may have mentioned he was debriefed and a report was written."
Question: "In your conversation with Mr. Libby, did you also talk about information you had learned about Ambassador Wilson's wife?"
Answer: "I believe I did."
Question: "Can you tell us about that?"
Answer: "I mentioned that, only in passing, I said something to the effect, in fact, Ambassador Wilson's wife works here."
Question: "You felt that was a piece of information that was or should be passed on to Mr. Libby?"
Answer: "I'm not sure it should have been passed on to Mr. Libby. The reason why I said it, I wanted to be as forthcoming as I possibly could."
Assessing Grenier's testimony, Larry Johnson, a retired CIA and State Department counter-terrorism expert, said, "They wanted to avoid any unpleasantness with the vice president."
Besides, Johnson said, "If you can't give the vice president and president information with any degree of confidence that it is going to be protected, then you know, the entire game is up."
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rick.schmitt@latimes.com
I'm getting tired of linking to the same article over and over, since it's obvious that sally doesn't deal with reality, but burning wood adds NOT ONE EXTRA MOLECULE of carbon to the environment. Burning wood is what is called a "closed system", in that the carbon is already present in the wood and is released by either decomposition or burning. it then is re-absorbed by other trees through the roots and converted to energy through photosynthesis. It then is re-released through decomposition or burning, and the cycle repeats in perpetuity.
The fairly recent practice of pulling fossil fuels out of the ground in the form of coal, oil and gas, and THEN burning them DOES ADD carbon to the environment, because they were trapped under ground for the past several million years, and NEW, additional carbon is now being introduced to the atmosphere for the first time. It will never convert back to fossil fuels and return underground, so this makes it an open system, where crap is added with nowhere to put it.
Is that simple enough to understand?
hi dpd. sally is really worried about the environment now. that is a good sign because he was the last human fighting the "theory" of global warming and now he is "down" with the earth firsters...i expect to see him living in a redwood with woody woodpecker soon...
Good Morning, gregg!
Woody would be pecking at his skull. Seriously, I have posted SEVERAL articles explaining this, but it's obvious he never opens the links, because he has a block of wood where his Densa chamber should be.
i appreciate your devotion to education of the unwashed and unwashable dpd. how are things out there? it's been pretty cold here the past few weeks so at least the mosquitoes are not biting.
the woodstock station is playing some stuff i haven't heard before. interesting.
It's a balmy 11 degrees on the Prarie. Friday is supposed to be below zero (which oddly enough is the IQ requirement for Densa membership). 21 years ago (Saturday was the anniversary of the Bears first Super Bowl win) it was 27 BELOW that day, but it still didn't stop us from firing up the Webers for the party. (Young, reasonably healthy, and stupid and liquored up did the trick, I guess).
going back to bed dpd. i remember that chicago team. mcmahon on the motorcycle and ditka and the fridge...great stuff! see you in a few hours.
Good Morning Dem's...this is a test to see if I can post....been having some problems with that lately....
Good morning
Ignore something long enough and eventually everyone else will forget it too and mention it only in casual talk. Slow death will creep up and take over the situation and issue.
Just as there are americans dying in Iraq, there are citizens of New Orlenas slowy, but surely ebbing away. Bush didn't even mention Katrina/New Orleans in the SOTU. Didn't give a damn and the recovery efforts are mired in the same attitude.
Poor people - no damn body in this country.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20070126/cm_usatoday/isthegulfcoastnotpartofourunion;_ylt=AhnXImbf59aRo9e5ptJeB8PMWM0F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3YWFzYnA2BHNlYwM3NDI-
Morning goodfoe and DPD,
goodfoe, your post came through loud and clear.
It is clear and 25 degrees here in Central New Mexico. We are at 5200 feet elevation unlike Phoenix. 25 degrees would be a heatwave for you guys that are at 27 below.
Didn't you hear, New Orleans is bushler's and shooter's new concentration camp for. He will just ignore these good folks and they will just go away.
Mornin all,
Back from protesting the Iraq occupation in DC. My estimate is at least 500,000. The mall was completely filled. I never seen so many buses as this time on the way home.
Of course, the media is downplaying it by saying tens of thousands which is utterly absurd.
Great speeches by Maxine Waters, Dennis Kucinich, Lynn Woolsey and others.
Yes indeed Jane Fonda gave a speech. No doubt the right wing is foaming at the mouth on this one. Jane Fonda said up to now she was afraid that she may hurt the antiwar movement but she can't stay silent any longer. Well, that's her choice.
Were there protests anywhere else?
you got that right j.
and i posted a story yesterday that showed that the attorney general of mississippi is ready to sell out the folks who got wiped out in that state. a federal judge found the agreement the ag was crafting with allstate insurance so vague and unprotective of the people that he blocked it.
wasn't bush going to rebuild new orleans into a wonderful shinning city? yeah and take us to mars to boot!
What astounded me last week was the fact that bushler gave pat robertson the FEMA money intended for N.O. They call pat's outfit a "faith based charity" and it is perfectly legal. The money eventually gets to the christians in N.O. after robertson rakes off his 95% overhead costs.
that is really awful john. great idea to give public funds to a church group that doesn't have to answer to anyone on how it spends its money.
morning rjsnj,
The demonstration looked great. I was looking at the pictures on Yahoo.com. There were LARGE gatherings in LA and San Francisco as well.
The disturbing thing to me was that association puss (press) called some of the demonstrators anarchists. We will show them what an anarchist is if they keep it up.
That is associated press.
Reuter called them Anti-War Demonstrators.
In the pictures they were saying something about the DC police clearing the streets. Is this true? If so, it sounds like the scene from Dr. Zhivago where the Russian Tsar had the Moscow demonstrators run down with horses and shot.
The demonstration looked great. I was looking at the pictures on Yahoo.com. There were LARGE gatherings in LA and San Francisco as well.
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Hi John, it was quite a large group. Glad to hear there were large protests elsewhere.
There were a couple of bone head kids that got out of line toward the end of the march. They have irrelevant to the antiwar movement. No doubt the media would focus on the exception.
We had a few chants of corporate fascist media going right in front of them! They probably had a bone to pick. So do we!
In the pictures they were saying something about the DC police clearing the streets. Is this true?
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John, the DC police arrested one person who got out of line. These sort of hooligans latch on to protests now and then. They have nothing to do with the antiwar movement. We most certainly are not not anarchists. Leave it to feckless media to come up with that.
I'm glad to hear the protests went well. I would love to go to a big protest like that. I watched some of hillary in a town hall meeting in Iowa. she was just glowing. the crowd was eating her up like chocolate cake with icecream. this is what she has been waiting for her entire life.
GOD HELP US.
I'm glad to hear the protests went well.
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Some photos here:
Morning, Dems. Sunday lineup from Al at Kos:
Face the Nation: Jim Webb vs "Single-Bullet" Spector. Then watch as Mitch McConnell talks outta both sides of his mouth.CBS Sunday Morning
Iraq War veterans seeking asylum in Canada.
The messier the better: the link btwn messiness and creativity.
How outdoor clothing company Patagonia encourages employee moral.
Oscar nominee Peter O’ Toole
Bob Seger and his new album.Special Viewing: PBS’ American Experience:
The Berlin Airlift Check for your local timeC-SPAN’s Q/A: Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Cle)
MTP: Chuck Schumer vs David Vitter.
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