Saturday Open Thread
I spent my Saturday protesting with hundreds of thousands of people from all over the country who want to see the war in Iraq end. It was my first protest on the Mall, and pretty amazing to see the crush of people coming together with a common purpose.
This is an open thread...
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For those of you that might of missed it. Anti-war protest. Bring the troops home from Iraq.
Watch the video in the link below. There's a 30 second commerical then it goes right into the protest. Check it out folks:
http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2007/01/27/vo.dc.anti.war.protest.cnn/content.html
If you want to read more see link below:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/27/iraq.main/index.html
Bombs are the latest in a series of attacks on Baghdad markets. The two bombs went off within minutes of each other. Full story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6305037.stm
Tens of thousands of protesters have demonstrated in Washington to demand the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq. Full Story:
Has the decider decided to end the war, or has he started another one?
We know he won't listen to congress or the American people.
I think they should be mandatory on all new construction, (as well as solar panels).
Posted by DPD on January 27, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 27, 2007 at 01:16 PM
Looking back, I see that dpd & Johnedwrd were discussing options to conserve energy. I've been having a brain tick on the article I posted about Washington urging scientists to develop ways to reflect sunlight as 'insurance'
What in the world is our government doing to the earth & those who inhabit here?
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:15 PM
Did ya ever stop to think that if congress does cut off funding, that w would not only leave those there, but send more in without the means to protect themselves?
Posted by Esmeralda on January 27, 2007 at 06:21 PM
the best way i've heard of to reflect significant amounts of heat back into space is the ice caps. it's called 'albedo'. as the earths temp. rises because of the 'greenhouse' effect, the shrinking ice caps reflect less and less heat and the problem is compounded. i can't imagine any reflective surface humanking could construct that would be large enough to replace the lost ice and snow of the polar caps. the only resonable fix is to reduce as soon as possible the gases preventing heat from escaping back into space.
starting today and until he's back in his out house in crawford, tx.....
BUSH IS IRRELEVANT!
Stop thinking like a politican, think like a human.
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:33 PM
I don't know if that was directed to me or just a general statement. If it was to me, very funny you are.
I do think (as what I have always posted that I am...a simple gal from a tiny hamlet, a hillbilly to boot) w would leave the troops there without protection and he wouldn't lose one wink of sleep if he wanted to send in more than the 21,000 he has decided need to go now.
Your bitching and moaning won't accomplish anything on a blog, but if it gets your rocks off, have at it.
How about putting American Service members on stage
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:40 PM
i think forest gump did that already....
not to be a smart ass about the forest gump reference, but the point of that scene in the movie was more about love conquering all when his 'girl' showed up in the middle of the refelection pool. and that is exactly where this was is most tragic and most vunerable, its devestating and heart breaking consequences to families, the lose of thousands of husbands, fathers, and sons to its undeniable senselessness. we should end it, and we should end it now.
Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Maybe you're eyesight is failing?
Come on. It's the Democrats who are trying to get us out of this mess in Iraq.
Murtha put his head on the block and challenged the president. The rest of the Democrats in Congress fell behind him one by one. Few Republicans have been so bold...and the Bush crime family will ruin their lives for doing it.
That's the difference and you know it.
You just want things to move faster. So do we. But we do not have a veto-proof majority in the Senate. We can't even get enough Republicans willing to vote with us to pass a minimum wage bill.
You'll go right out and vote Green again, won't you? And then come back in here in two years and say there is no difference between the parties.
You are your own worst enemy. I'm done with trying to reason with you. Good luck in trying to convince the Republicans to end the occupation.
Clinton concedes role in authorizing war
By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
DES MOINES, Iowa - New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton blamed President Bush on Saturday for misusing authority given him by Congress to act in
Iraq, but conceded "I take responsibility" for her role in allowing that to happen...
Clinton seems to finally be moving away from the past. Let's see if she is serious about wanting to head the party and lead us away from Iraq.
evening dems
fade- if you wander by again, thanks for that youtube video you posted this afternoon- the tears are welling up in the corners of my eyes- i came up here with my guitar looking for the lyrics to neil young's "the campaigner", and stopped by to scroll through
jen and i started "the deer hunter" late last night (the wee hours) and finished it late this morning/early afternoon- always had a soft spot for the movie as the state-side scenes were largely filmed where i was born (mingo junction- steubenville, ohio)- it was hard, after seeing the movie, not to tear up listening to the speeches at the rally today- the vietnam scenes- of deniro and walken on the road with the throngs of vietnamese on the road to saigon, the archival footage of saigon in '75 with the copters taking the lucky ones away- the scenes of another failed imperial adventure, all those wasted lives for the lies of this country's ignorant/careless/greedy bastards- all strangely similar to our present moment in time- the question is whether the opposition will tell the criminals in the white house that it is over now (and if they persist, impeach/indict) or will the "war party" continue to send young men and women to the middle east to die so that they can continue this imperialistic fantasy for another 8-10 years?
sandy- have to comment on your post and come out now, if i haven't already- i can't stand hilary clinton- i can't stand the clintons, i can't stand the thought of more dynastic politics in this country- and i am willing to be that there are thousands just like me in this party, not to mention the hatred that the republicans have for this family- hilary and bill are a part of everything that is wrong with the democratic party and with this country- they are a part of everything that is wrong with the democratic leadership council- they are a part of everything that is wrong with that rat rahm emanuel, that rat joe lieberman, etc. etc.-
this democrat has made a decision not to support the monied interests and dynastic politics of hilary clinton- can i get an amen?
thank you dka.
time for bush and cheney to go.
Posted by gregg on January 27, 2007 at 06:04 PM
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You're most welcome Gregg. We have to get the word out and demand this congress stop funding this Iraq war and Impeach both Bush and Cheney.
Photo gallery of the protest against the Iraq war. Once you get to the webpage scroll down slowly to see the photos:
Subject: Help
Helping Lara Logan (updated 1/26)
An unusual plea from CBS News Foreign Correspondent Lara Logan highlights the fact that the network television’s coverage of the Iraq war still leaves something to be desired.
By Rory O'Connor and David Olson.
Sometimes it’s hard to swim in the mainstream...
One would assume that Ms. Logan, as CBS chief foreign correspondent, has a fair amount of influence as to what stories she gets to cover, and that most of her important stories, once produced and delivered, will be broadcast.
But when the story comes out of the mean streets of Baghdad, and doesn’t fit the officially-sanctioned narrative of Iraqis and US soldiers working arm in arm to help protect thankful Iraqi citizens, even chief foreign correspondents sometimes need to ask for help in getting it seen.
Imagine our surprise recently when–over the digital transom–we received a copy of an email from a frustrated Lara Logan (see below)
In it, Logan asks for help in getting attention to what she calls “a story that is largely being ignored even though this istakingplace everysingle [sic] day in Baghdad, two blocks from where our office is located.”
The segment in question–”Battle for Haifa Street”–is a piece of first-rate journalism but one that only appears on the CBS News website–and has never been broadcast. It is a gritty, realistic look at life on the very mean streets of Baghdad, and includes interviews with civilians who complain that the US military presence is only making their lives worse and the situation more deadly.
“They told us they would bring democracy, they promised life would be better than it was under Saddam,” one told Logan.
“But they brought us nothing but death and killing. They brought mass destruction to Baghdad.”
Several bodies are shown in the two- minute segment–”some with obvious signs of torture,” as Logan points out. She also notes that her crew had to flee for their lives when they we were warned of an impending attack. While fleeing, another civilian was killed before their eyes.
Logan’s email, with the one-word subject line of ‘help’, was sent to friends and colleagues imploring them to lobby CBS to highlight that people are interested in seeing the piece.
In it, Logan argues that the story is “not too gruesome to air, but rather too important to ignore… It should be seen. And people should know about this.”
Enough is enough of this Iraq war. Since President Bush and Dick Cheney refuse to listen to the American people it's time that we take action. Contact your Representatives and Senators now and tell them to cut off all funding of the Iraq war. America voted for a change and we demand an end to the Iraq war now! Support our troops, bring them home now! You can take action to contact your Representatives and Senators by clicking on the links below:
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"Congress must act to block Bush's escalation in Iraq. We need a responsible end to the war, not an escalation." A compiled petition with your individual comment will be presented to your senators and representative when you click the link below.
sandy- we've come a long way since the days of edward r. murrow, no? it was hard enough on him, but the fact is that the corporate-owned news has sanitized reality in this country so much now that the citizens don't even care to watch the news anymore- why bother? it doesn't take long after reading and watching the news that the rest of the world is getting to know that the so-called news here is on a par with the worst sort of censored news that this country's supporters used to denounce in the soviet union- some are now saying that it might even be worse in its jingoism and misinformation
greetings, gentlebloggers
what a day! hope you all have had a wonderful day of Peace, reflection and remembrance for those who have died in Iraq. i count everyone, too. not just the Americans, but the people of this land whose blood was spilled for the lies this evil misadministration based this violence on...
jef, here's a film clip that moved me. i am a member of the reality based community. i have lost my faith, but i have hope. today was a good day for renewal of that. the mockery of prayer is illustrated in this clip. be warned.
for those of you who have supported this effort, either by being there, by painting signs, sending donations to moveon.org, CodePink or any of the United for Peace and Justice groups...or by keeping those emails and phone calls flowing...or by those good thoughts and positive intentions...
thank you.
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 07:28 PM
jefro,
I don't support her either. I was just reporting on the latest in her journey toward facing the future and reality.
I gave up on the Clintons when they sold out the middle class with NAFTA....I live in former Minority Leader Dick Gephardts's old district. Outsourcing have just about killed the industrial sector in Missouri.
The Clintons stabbed Gephardt and all working people in the back when they "compromised" with the Republicans on those "free trade" bills and by dropping the fight for universal health care.
They live in a world of compromise where nobody else compromises but them. It's comfy living where nobody has to take chances just sit on the "center" fence.
Ask Jack Murtha if that's living or just a slow way of dying.
great discussion, y'all...wish i didn't have to go.
i worked hard today...now, it's time to play hard.
BRING BACK THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE
(jef--it's worse because the people are not aware of the disiinformation, misinformation, propaganda, lies and corporate/government [read facist] control)
keep it lit~
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 07:44 PM
jefro,
You're preaching to the choir. FOS, DPD, and I were talking about this earlier today. The free press is in worse shape than when yellow journalism reigned back during the 1920's. If it wasn't for the bloggers and foreign media, we wouldn't have any idea what is going on in our own country.
A tepid "Amen" maybe, from me. My big sticking point is
BUSH
CLINTON
BUSH
CLINTON
and THAT is a deal killer from the git go. Not withstanding the FACT that this current asswipe is THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER (note that I didn't say "worst in history", but am designating him/it the WORST FOR ALL TIME TO COME), and his father was just a corrupt schlub who will hover around the lower 10% for ETERNITY, most people are tired of the same two names constantly popping up.
Hillary, Secretary of HHS.
Kucinich, Sec of Housing and Urban Affairs
Kerry, Sec of State...
etc.....
Time for somebody new, or at least a new name. the Dems are almost falling into that Kennedy Dynasty trap where no matter HOW much BETTER they would be than ANY Pug, the name will be a vote killer.
I'ts going to be "Give someone else a chance" and the voters will show it no matter who the competition is.
Chimpy the alky crack head basically KILLED any "Family Dynasty" crapola that anyone would want to spew for at least 50 years.
If Hillary gets the nod, I'll back her. Personally I'm sorry that Kerry (who was the best potential President in my lifetime, YES, better than Gore) decided to read the handwriting on the wall. If Gore decides, a GORE / KERRY ticket would REALLY rub the Chimp's nose in it, wouldn't it?
(Especially since KKKARL will most probably be in PRISON by then).
fade,
You're flying higher than a kite. Being part of the change can do that to you. Enjoy the night.
Good Evening,
I'm back. A new thread.
Sweet
To make a dynasty you need some charisma. Hillary doesn't have it. I don't know about Chelsea.
Nobody is going to jail but Scooter. His attorneys have that right. He is the scapegoat. The rest will walk...all the way to Paraguay it appears.
I think Kerry and Gore will be great counselors and maybe cabinet choices. I don't think Gore wants to run. But he might be pursuaded to be drafted.
dpd- i'm so sick of the two party system that i could scream- having said that, i like most everyone else usually bite the bullit and vote for whoever this party offers up in the end- i've had similar thoughts with regard to hilary, but at least right now, i cannot imagine following through on them- if this party offers hilary clinton on the ticket for '08, i'm going to have to find someone else to vote for- and maybe that is a good thing, because i believe that there will be many many people who cannot in good conscience vote for her or anyone else from the dlc- perhaps dennis kucinich will decide to try a third party run with nader in '08- i'm sick of watching the democratic party put up these weak-kneed, corporate shills as if they have anything different to offer americans that the other party isn't already proffering
sandy- you are so right, that hilary has no charisma- she is stiffer than that wooden indian al gore on his worst day- but she is a part of a dynasty- that has nothing to do with the fact that she has no charisma- that is just her and the dlc is not going to help her in anyway with that- they'll probably suggest that she should put a helmet on and ride in a tank or across a stage somewhere on a harley in pursuit of her lost charisma
Well, we did not get to see the march on TV. I was sad about that. They cut it off to go to Hillary. We love to watch the marching. Wonder why they did that?
Hey, a question for Howard Dean.
Dear Howard Dean, What I wanna know...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/27/163156/201
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 08:02 PM
jef,
You might as well vote for Pat Buchanan then. I don't know why there is so much pessimism inside the party when there are so many new faces popping up so full of promise. fade doesn't believe in God but she has hope.
Don't give in to believing that we have to live with what others tell us is all we deserve. We deserve so much more and we are going to get it.
I have to leave for a family visit.
Keep the faith, ok?
Good night, everyone.
"they cut it off to go to hilary"- yeah, i wonder why they did that too!- guess it has something to do with that dynasty thing- it was funny really- cspan claimed that they were going to some "town hall" meeting that hilary was having in iowa and when they cut to it, it didn't look like anything other than a big ol' rally with a bunch of hilaryhonks just honking it up for ol' hilary-
is this party ready for more of this? more of hilary and obama? sorry for you obama supporters too, but he is a relative newcomer that the dem party leadership has put up for our consideration as nothing but a foil for the coronation of hilary- hell, if he plays his cards right, she might even put him on the ticket- woopty f'in do!
SIGN THE PETITION TO CONGRESS! Tell Congress: Use Your Power to Bring the Troops Home Now:
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/ufpj/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=447
We call on you, as our elected representatives in the U.S. Congress, to use your power and take action to end the war in Iraq and bring all the troops home. We call on you to:
Vote for the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq;
Vote for full funding of veterans benefits;
Vote against any funds for military action of any kind in Iraq, except for the safe withdrawal of all our armed forces;
Vote for aid to reconstruct Iraq under Iraqi control;
Vote to redirect our tax dollars for social programs at home.
Posted by sunny on January 27, 2007 at 08:09 PM
He don't know. Ask the members of Congress themselves.
Posted by queencityjefro on January 27, 2007 at 08:07 PM
That might make her look like a drag queen in a military fantasy? She really does need to get some tips from Pelosi on how to look feminine and still act strong.
Bless her soul, Clinton's looks alway become the focus of any discussion about her politically. That should be a real clue to the DLC that her chances of being elected president by a country obsessed with image.
bye.
I need A 20 Year Old.
I have the dumbest computer question in the world.
How do I find out what my URL is?
I know. I know.
;p
i am with fos....what the hell is my url?
Posted by gregg on January 27, 2007 at 08:23 PM
LOL (Huggs) I guess we will sit here and wait for the answer together.
;p
A tepid "Amen" maybe, from me. My big sticking point is
BUSH
CLINTON
BUSH
CLINTON
Posted by DPD on January 27, 2007 at 07:54 PM
{{DPD}} It's funny that you said this. I was just talking to a friend the other day about this. The only "positive" thing would be that kids would have an easier time memorizing the presidents of the United States..
If Gore decides, a GORE / KERRY ticket would REALLY rub the Chimp's nose in it, wouldn't it?
Yes, that would be an awesome ticket!! But it really doesn't matter if they run, they are both already doing an awesome job trying to make this country and our planet a better place.
RSNJ (I hope I have your initials right), I hope you had a great time at the march and will share the details with us.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 27, 2007 at 08:26 PM
I'd love to help out but I'm over 30 and therefore have no clue ;)
In light of the authorization that Bush issued on January 26 about Iran, I was wondering if bloggers would look over the following articles and comment. I do not know if the info on Iran that Bush is feeding us is true or false, but I do think that we must absolutely verify it, and look into the sources.
Los Angeles Times, January 23, 2007 "Scant Evidence found of Iran-Iraq arms link" (Zavis, Miller, Spiegel, and Moore)
Los Angeles Times, January 23, 2007
"Iranian sees border danger" (Daraghahi)
Los Angeles Times editorial, January 22, 2007
"Financing Terrorists is not about speech"
re Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals comments about accused private citizens funding of State Department-designated terrorist organization Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MeK)
Check out the Iran Policy Committee and their White Paper about adding to the "surge"
Look up Alireza Jafarzadeh, connected to terrorist group MeK, and his lobbying efforts of Congress to overthrow the government in Iran using the "Resistance" and US suport.
We cannot let unverified, selective information lead our country into another conflict. It needs to verified by our own Intelligence Agencies, and they must be accountable for their work. We need to know the source of the Bush Administration "evidence" against Iran and whether it is reliable -- or at least Congress must know immediately.
What is the difference between a democratic congressman and a republican congressman? I can't tell the difference. Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Dude, if you can't tell the difference between somebody like a Ted Kennedy and a say, oh I don't know, like a Tom Delay or a Rick Santorum, then I feel sorry for you.
Your URL is your webb site address...do you have a webb site?
This is Bush Jr's foul up. He's been a failure at everything he's ever gotten involved with his entire life.
U.S. military reports the deaths of seven soldiers
I have a webb site but nothing on it...lol...you can click my name and go there...I put the url in the space above the comment box
Okay, I get it folks.
Sorry about the 20's comment.
;p
The "URL" is the name of every webpage address on the internet. It's how the computer knows where to find the page.
Sorry about the 20's comment.;p Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 27, 2007 at 08:55 PM
I thought that comment was too funny and cute. My daughter is 20 and everytime I'm stuck on the computer....take a wild guess who I call for help :)
U.S. may cite Israel over cluster bombs
The Bush administration will notify Congress on Monday that Israel may have violated agreements with Washington when it fired U.S.-supplied cluster munitions into Lebanon in its war with Hezbollah last summer, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.
Posted by GiG on January 27, 2007 at 09:05 PM
See?
;p
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
Threat to the world is greater than terrorism.
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.
The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html
sandy- it isn't about whether hilary is obsessed with her image- you are right, she wouldn't need any help in appearing more hard than she already does so maybe the appearance in a tank or on a harley with jay leno wouldn't quite work for her- but, we can be sure that the image-meisters in the dlc will find something else for her to do that will be equally as damaging and embarassing for her- just think of kerry "reporting for duty" and saluting at the beginning of his speech at the convention- rather than speaking about his courageous actions before congress after coming home from the last great imperialistic failure speaking out against that war, they chose to have him pretend to be something he wasn't, and the country got the message loud and clear
i would never vote for pat buchanon because he is more wishy washy than anyone else that has ever considered running or placed themselves in the public eye- read his stuff at antiwar.com and then try to square it with the sniveling flip-flopper that appears on tv every week (every day?)-
pessimism is not something i aspire to, it is the reason that i think that morris berman's perspective is so galling, but there is no disputing the fact that this party and its leadership has made bad decisions for far longer than any of us would care to imagine- the dems have to tell the corporate puppet-masters that their partnership is long past over or we will continue to get borderline criminals like rahm emanuel telling this party what to do and how to vote in the interests of lining their own pockets with more corporate cash
Even Bush says Global Warming is real
Bush: Global Warming Real
In a striking about-face, the Bush administration has acknowledged that Earth is warming, and that the most likely cause is burning fossil fuels. The "U.S. Climate Action Report" acknowledged that global warming would "most likely" destroy alpine meadows, barrier islands and coral reefs. It may also cause the disintegration of southern forests. In the West, a decline in snow cover is expected to worsen water problems.
There's an anticle from a couple of years ago in the New Yorker titled "The Unbranding" about how DLC Dems like Hillary and Lieberman and others planned to make themselves look tough.
http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/050321fa_fact?fact/050321fa_fact
While growth of farm crops and forests is expected to increase, so will storms. Warming will also increase heat stress, air pollution and diseases transmitted by insects and rodents.
bush said he was a uniter and not a divider, he said that he did not believe in nation building, he said that he was for compassionate conservatism, he told us there were wmd's in iraq, he said that iraq had ties to al quada, he said he would listen to what the iraq study group had to say, he said he was going to do something about our dependence on oil, he said we were going to go to mars
and now he says that he believes in global warming? well, isn't that special
oh, there tough alright, and don't you forget it- so tough that they'll be the first in line to start the next war with iran- nobody has bigger balls than rahm emanuel, and don't you forget it (oh, and hilary and obama, and mushmout too)
and in the immortal words of slim pickens- whooooppeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Now they want to send even more of jobs to China.
Intel seeks to make chips in China
China's government is considering a plan by Intel of the US to build a chipmaking plant in the north-eastern city of Dalian, say local industry officials.
Construction of such a fabrication plant, or fab, by the world's biggest chipmaker would mark a breakthrough for China's nascent semiconductor industry and a major expansion of Intel's presence in the rapidly growing Chinese IT market.
I listened to Bush Jr's State of the Union speech on Mike Malloy's radio show, (and Jim Webb's rebuttle and then the analysis of both the speech and rebuttle on NPR radio), so I didn't get to "see" any of it until the the News later that night. They showed the clip when Junior stated that he, "was going to cut gasoline consumption in our nation by 20%" and as soon as he got done saying that, Cheney sitting behind Bush's right shoulder begain laughing. So it looks to me like even "the real president" thinks chimpy is a baffoon and laughs at him behind his back. Did anyone else see that?
President Bush Discusses Global Climate Change
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. I've just met with senior members of my administration who are working to develop an effective and science-based approach to addressing the important issues of global climate change.
First, we know the surface temperature of the earth is warming. It has risen by .6 degrees Celsius over the past 100 years. There was a warming trend from the 1890s to the 1940s. Cooling from the 1940s to the 1970s. And then sharply rising temperatures from the 1970s to today.
There is a natural greenhouse effect that contributes to warming. Greenhouse gases trap heat, and thus warm the earth because they prevent a significant proportion of infrared radiation from escaping into space. Concentration of greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have increased substantially since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And the National Academy of Sciences indicate that the increase is due in large part to human activity.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010611-2.html
Posted by Domingo on January 27, 2007 at 09:39 PM
I watched the SOTU on and off and the most comical moment to me was when Bush talked about energy independence and Pelosi (and most of congress) stood up and clapped and Cheney remained sitting. You could almost see killer laser beams coming out of his eyes.. talk about if looks could kill.
Bombs at Baghdad market kill 15; 7 U.S. troops die
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Twin car bombs exploded in a busy Baghdad market Saturday morning, killing 15 people, Baghdad police officials said.
Separately, seven U.S. troops were killed in three incidents Saturday.....
And whats up with these protests, who is the strategic brainiac who puts them together. How about putting American Service members on stage, between every other speaker. Put family members of fallen service members (more than just Sec. of State Cindy Sheehan) or ones that are currently serving. Posted by IraqVeteran on January 27, 2007 at 06:40 PM
I don't know how to break it to you, chief, but I was just listening to NPR discuss the protests and they were talking about the OTHER protestors there, who were FOR the war, and they were interviewing a bunch of military guys, one who had his leg taken off in Iraq. If these guys won't open their eyes to the fact that they lost limbs because of lies, that the Iraqis want them out, that they are not doing one single bit of good there, well, how can we ever convince them.
In a striking about-face, the Bush administration has acknowledged that Earth is warming, and that the most likely cause is burning fossil fuels.
Posted by Domingo on January 27, 2007 at 09:23 PM
William, Anybody with an open mind, who watches "An Inconvenient Truth" can never again dispute there is global warming, and that we are in deep shit. That is why he named it an Inconvenient Truth, because for politicians or others to admit to it, means they morally must do something about it.
He did an excellent job on that movie, I hope he wins the Oscar.
Sure Pam. "You know who" keeps saying there's no such thing as global warming, but even his hero Bush has already admitted there is. Troll needs to get his Republican talking points straight.
Americans in action!
Democratic lawmakers threaten to withhold funding for the war in Iraq. Read more >
Okay,
THIS right here is EXACLY why I am NOT going to get Married. This, no way. It's too much for me. This would be me. I so am feeling bad for the Bride right now. I am so not getting Married now.
Check Out This VIDEO.
Blood stains a shattered car in southeastern Baghdad on Saturday. Two car bombs struck a market in quick succession. Check out the photo gallery of the violence today:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0701/gallery.iraq.violence/frameset.exclude.html
I got no idea if that video is for real or a put on, but if it is real, the groom is in trouble.
Washington wakes up to global warming
Maybe it's the weird winter weather, or the newly Democratic Congress.
Maybe it's the news reports about starving polar bears, or the Oscar nomination for
Al Gore's global warming cri de coeur, "An Inconvenient Truth."
Whatever the reason, years of resistance to the reality of climate change are suddenly melting away like the soon-to-be-history snows of Kilimanjaro.
Now even George W. Bush says it's a problem...
I got no idea if that video is for real or a put on, but if it is real, the groom is in trouble.
Posted by Domingo on January 27, 2007 at 11:17 PM
She went off! That was sad.
I'm scared.
:O
SNL is on right now.
New Episode.
:)
Maybe it's not a new episode. Wasn't he already on?
Oh well.
Everyone hit the sak already ?
Okay, Good Night all.
:)
Well hello Miss FOS, if you're still there?
If not, Good night.
FOS
Read your post on your blog about the poll on Hillary or whichever candidate.? Left a comment.
Polls mean nothing unless the information gatherer/ decision maker of the data and variables is reputable and has the credentials to prove such.
Don't sweat it.
the snows of Kilimanjaro are melting due to local agricultural practices (heat rising off of plowed fields)>
Posted by Cowboy on January 27, 2007 at 11:30 PM
and your point being?
Before I go,
Hi there GIG Some gorgeous weather today. Temp running about 74-76. Sunshine/blue skies all day.
with local practices and nothing to do with "human induced global warming". Posted by Cowboy on January 27, 2007 at 11:58 PM
and locals are not human?
looks like frosty or sally or Min tom has another new ID.....
Pretty pathetic.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:04 AM
So you have been out there? You were there in Vietnam and you are in Iraq now?
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Wow, all the way back to 1997! I'm impressed, this means that you are taking global warming seriously.
Posted by GiG on January 28, 2007 at 12:25 AM So you have been out there? You were there in Vietnam and you are in Iraq now?
If he was in Iraq, it would explain why the Muslims there aren't greeting us with rose petals.
Slideshow: Anti-War Protests
Check out the photos:
Some of them did, if you allow yourself to recall.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:39 AM
Well, I know some people don't like you to talk about those things, I know that. Some people don't like you to mention certain things. Some people don't want you to say this, some people don't want you to say that. Some people think if you mention some things, they might happen. Some people are really fucking stupid. -George Carlin-
The soldiers aren't whining about their plight - the whiners are these perpetual anti Americans like Fonda and Kerry.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM
*****
Wrong! The anti-Americans are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld for all the lies they told about leading us into the war in Iraq as a result thousands of innocent people are dead because of this Iraq war! Opps! By the way, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 so if anything it's the right thing to do, to protest this Iraq war before our great nation goes bankrupt!
Suicide bombers strike in Baghdad
The aftermath of the Baghdad market blasts
Watch the video:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/video/75000/nb/75962_16x9_nb.asx
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM
I agree, soldiers do not whine.
Soldiers fight, soldiers protect, soldiers do what they have to, they will put their life on the line without ever asking and they will die fighting for what they are asked to do... and they do it because they love our country.
It is people like Senator Kerry, who had the guts to actually fight in a war, to come home and speak out.
I want our troops home, I don't think that is too much to ask for.
Pretty small turnout in Washington for the "peace rally" today - that's a good sign.
Posted by Cowboy
*****
This is small? You act as if only a couple of hundred people showed up. Get your facts correct.
Tens of thousands protest in Washington. Of those that couldn't make it quite a few others were active emailing petitions and contacting their Representatives/Senators and so on. The Iraq war is a complete waste of money and is getting innocent people killed for nothing. If anything the military could've been used full force to hunt down Osama Bin Laden to bring to justice for all the horrible things he did but Bush took his eye off the real threat and as a result here we are over 5 years later and Osama is still free!
This administration is going to go down as the worst in the history of the country!!!
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:39 AM Some of them did, if you allow yourself to recall.
I think the president messed things up too.
It would have helped if he hadn't begun by conflating 9/11 with Iraq. And hadn't tried to justify his actions with the doctrine of prevention.
Iraq is a sovereign nation. It will one day have a government that is accountable to its people. That day will come sooner - the sooner we leave.
Whether or not it was the right time for US to change the course of their country, they themselves will ultimately render judgement.
It's plain to everyone that we acted not only in the wrong way but in a way that greatly hurt our country.
I didn't know rose petals from Muslims meant so much to you. Do you have a tear in your eye?
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 12:56 AM
If you really believe that, where does it put our current leadership?
Americans must take their country back. Two third of the members in Congress and Senate have dual citizenship: Israel/USA. Russia has stopped this recently from not alowing people into political positions who have such dual citizenship. Very clever! The Jews tried to extend their influence there, too.
All protest will do nothing unless we the American people stop fighting wars for the Jews or for protecting their finance system.
The racist Jews think of US citizens as dumb asses - sorry but that is the unvarnished truth.
Great anti-bush-war turnouts in Washington DC, San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Looking through the pictures, I couldn't help noticing that Reuters called the demonstrators anti-war demonstrators.
The assholes from Associated Press called them anarchists. Piss on them.
Posted by PragmaticAmerican on January 28, 2007 at 01:09 AM C'boyy is like every other "double-wide" redneck from Channelview or Odessa
The "cowboy" in question lives in Minnesota and if he's ever ridden, it was probably on a drugged up trail horse.
If asshole and vice asshole keep up this war bullshit, there will be anarchists and they will regret the day they started this illegal war in Iraq.
IRAQ WAR PROTEST: Interview w/Rep. John Conyers
Watch the Video:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x14434
Posted by gmmonko on January 28, 2007 at 01:07 AM
You and cowboy would get along great. You two should make plans to meet for drink or something.
GiGster, DeLL, DKA, Johnedwrd, PragmaticAmerican
Have a great night.
Posted by gmmonko on January 28, 2007 at 01:07 AM
For the shame!! And they even have blacks in Congress!! You should go eat a bullet now.
Goodnight the rest of you. It's my turn to hit the hay.
Posted by PragmaticAmerican on January 28, 2007 at 01:33 AM
Point well stated.. good night all! {GIG} (seeing as your the only name I recognize)
reminder to self...never drink a pepsi while watching SNL.
Good golly, Steve. Who you typing at? BTW, yes, I do believe they were trying to make their job easier, but it bit them in the ass. We kept all our ballots in locked transfer cases and broke the seal in the presence of the observers, then stacked them according to voted numbers.
cowboy, your thoughts on this, please.
U.S. Government Review of the Second Order Draft of WGIII Contribution
“Climate Change 2007: Mitigation of Climate Change”
The Forgotten American Dead
These deaths are presented another way in the little, black-edged boxes you see in many newspapers. (My hometown ledger, the New York Times, has one of these almost every day, placed wherever the humdrum bad news from Iraq happens to fall inside the paper and labeled, "Names of the Dead.") These, too, are taken from the Pentagon death announcements, which offer the barest of bare bones about those who just died. But they do tell you something that should be better noted in this country.
Take the Pentagon announcements for Iraq "casualties" from January 11th through January 23 - 21 dead in all, 17 from the Army, 2 from the Marines, and 2 from the Navy (one in a "non-combat related incident" in Iraq, the other in Bahrain).
it's from this link:
Posted by Esmeralda on January 27, 2007 at 06:21 PM
With that, I'm going to try to get some sleep.
Clean Burning Woodstoves and Fireplaces
The internal design of woodstoves has changed entirely in the past 16 years as a result of the EPA's regulation established in 1988 . EPA's mandatory smoke emission limit for woodstoves is 7.5 grams of smoke per hour (g/h) for non-catalytic stoves, and 4.1 g/h for catalytic stoves.
Today, all woodstoves and fireplace inserts, and some factory-built fireplaces, sold in the United States must meet this limit. Stove manufacturers have improved their combustion technologies over the years, and now some newer stoves have certified emissions in the 1 to 4 g/h range. The EPA certified emission rate is a reliable number that can be compared from one model to the next, but a one or two gram per hour difference in smoke emissions does not mean much in day-to-day use.
The two general approaches to meeting the EPA smoke emission limits are non-catalytic and catalytic combustion. Both approaches have proved effective, but there are performance differences.
Non-catalytic Stoves
Non-catalytic stoves do not use a catalyst, but have three internal characteristics that create a good environment for complete combustion. These are firebox insulation, a large baffle to produce a longer, hotter gas flow path, and pre-heated combustion air introduced through small holes above the fuel in the firebox.
Non-cats cannot match the even heat output of catalytic stoves, but their owners love watching the beautiful fire they create. The baffle and some other internal parts of a non-catalytic stove will need replacement from time to time as they deteriorate with the high heat of efficient combustion.
Although most of the stoves on the market are non-cats, some of the most popular high-end stoves use catalytic combustion. Because they are slightly more complicated to operate, and the best of them do produce exceptional performance, catalytic stoves are suited to people who like technology and are prepared to maintain the stove properly so it continues to operate at peak performance. Both options have their pros and cons.
Catalytic Stoves
In catalytic combustion the smoky exhaust is passed through a coated ceramic honeycomb inside the stove where the smoke gases and particles ignite and burn. Catalytic stoves are capable of producing a long, even heat output.
All catalytic stoves have a lever-operated catalyst bypass damper, which is opened for starting and reloading. The catalytic honeycomb degrades over time and must be replaced, but its durability is largely in the hands of the stove user. The catalyst can last more than six seasons if the stove is used properly; but if the stove is over-fired, garbage is burned and regular cleaning and maintenance are not done, the catalyst may break down in as little as 2 years. (EPA note: Garbage should never be burned in a woodstove or fireplace.)
For more information, visit The Wood Heat Organization.
Relevant EPA Publications
For a recent list of EPA documents, visit the EPA Library and search using the keywords woodstove and woodstove.
Additional Technical Articles
OMNI-Test Laboratories Publications
OMNI-Test Laboratories, Inc. is a hearth product testing laboratory.
Compilation of Residential Wood Combustion Surveys and Related Studies (PDF, 20 pp, 33 KB)
The authors of this publication are OMNI-Test Laboratories employees. Dr. James E. Houck is a Research Scientist with OMNI Consulting Services and has over 20 years experience with air quality, energy and biomass combustion issues. David R. Broderick is an Environmental Engineer with OMNI Environmental Services with over 10 years experience with air emission and efficiency measurements.
better to burn a little wood a few days a year than alot of bullshit 24/7
Libby trial shows unsealed lips in CIA
Though the agency has sought to protect covert identities, the leak case reveals that the secrecy rules are sometimes ignored.
By Richard B. Schmitt, Times Staff Writer
January 28, 2007
WASHINGTON — From their earliest days, U.S. intelligence agencies have made it an article of faith to protect the identity of their secret agents. And in 1982, following a rash of malicious exposures, the CIA prevailed on Congress to make it a crime to knowingly disclose the identity of such operatives.
So in 2003, when the name of a CIA arms proliferation specialist, Valerie Plame, surfaced in a newspaper column, the agency immediately demanded a Justice Department investigation.
But last week, as former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby went on trial in connection with the leak, it appeared that neither the CIA nor some other intelligence community insiders were all that tight-lipped about such supposedly sensitive matters.
When it came to talking to outsiders, the agent's identity was often treated as not much more than water-cooler dishing or cocktail party chatter.
A high-level CIA official dropped Plame's agency connection into a conversation with a White House aide who did not know Plame existed. Another CIA official confessed that it was only after he had mentioned the agent's name to an official outside the agency that he felt a twinge of regret — a kind of belated "oops" — over what he had done.
And former Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage, a possible witness in the Libby trial, has acknowledged discussing Plame with a reporter. Armitage, an old hand at dealing with sensitive intelligence matters, later told a friend that gabbing about Plame was "the dumbest thing he'd ever done in his life."
The agent's identity wound up being a subject of discussion inside Washington's sprawling national security community after it was unveiled in a syndicated newspaper column. Libby is accused of lying to federal investigators looking into who leaked Plame's name to the columnist.
Plame is the wife of former envoy Joseph C. Wilson IV, who publicly raised questions about the intelligence used to justify the invasion of Iraq.
The revelations thus far in Libby's trial suggest that, though U.S. officials — especially within the Bush administration — have publicly insisted that secrecy is crucial in national security matters, there is a backstage world inside the government where even the most basic rules for protecting sensitive information may be ignored.
In theory, sensitive intelligence is highly compartmentalized and shared only on a need-to-know basis with people who have been cleared to receive it.
That was hardly the case with Plame.
In one instance described last week, the CIA's then-chief public affairs officer, William Harlow, apparently brought her name up almost in passing during a 2003 telephone conversation with his counterpart in Vice President Dick Cheney's office.
The White House official, Catherine J. Martin, then Cheney's director of communications, said, "It was a pleasant conversation. I had never spoken with him before."
Martin was calling about a report in the Washington Post that an unnamed diplomat had turned up evidence contradicting Bush administration claims about Iraq trying to get nuclear material from Niger. The story, and others that followed, said the diplomat had been sent to the African nation because of Cheney.
The vice president was upset over being linked to the venture, which undercut White House arguments about the Iraq threat.
Martin testified that Libby suggested she call Harlow.
"I remember talking about press reports about a former ambassador sent to Niger, and the press reports saying it was because of an inquiry by the vice president," she said.
"So I was saying, 'Who sent him? Who is this guy? And what are you saying to the press? It keeps getting reported that we sent him,' " Martin testified.
"Ultimately, I remember Bill Harlow saying his name was Joe Wilson, he was a charge in Baghdad and his wife works over here."
Harlow, responding to an e-mail request, declined to comment, citing the pending trial.
Libby allegedly learned that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA from the agency's top expert on Iraq, who testified Wednesday that he regretted passing along the tip.
Former CIA official Robert Grenier said he gave Libby the information. He said he had not remembered doing so when he initially spoke with investigators but recalled it later because he had a lingering feeling that he had done something he regretted.
"I recall feeling briefly guilty about it, that I had said too much," Grenier said. "By saying that Joe Wilson's wife was working in CIA, in effect I was revealing the identity of a CIA officer."
The law does not forbid all disclosures. It targets only leaks of identities of covert operatives and incidents where the recipient does not have a security clearance to receive the information. Libby, as Cheney's national security advisor and chief of staff, presumably had high-level security clearances.
But Grenier said he still had qualms about his actions "because it was not absolutely necessary for me to have said that…. Our habit is, if you don't need to say something, you don't."
CIA officials weren't the only ones trafficking in information about Plame. Former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, scheduled to testify Monday, apparently disclosed her identity to several reporters.
Afterward, he was so concerned that he might have broken the law that he refused to cooperate with investigators until he was granted immunity from prosecution.
Plame had worked overseas, posing as a private energy consultant while working for a CIA department tracking weapons proliferation. Although she had been working at CIA headquarters at the time of the leak, the disclosure ended her clandestine career and could have endangered people who had helped her abroad.
In part, the readiness of intelligence officials to bring Plame into conversations with White House officials reflected an unspoken reality of politics and power in Washington: The CIA is an independent agency, but it serves the president and other high officials — who not only use the intelligence it provides but pass judgment on its performance.
"The CIA works both sides of the street, satisfying the political bosses while protecting turf and tradition," said Williams Banks, a professor at Syracuse University law school and a national security expert. "Ironic for sure, but part of the Washington fabric."
The political pressures were especially intense when the Plame case broke in 2003. The CIA was under White House scrutiny because of intelligence failures preceding the Sept. 11 attacks and the Iraq war.
The pressure was clear in Grenier's testimony:
The former CIA official recalled taking a call from Libby, who, with what Grenier described as a "slightly accusatory tone in his voice," wanted to know whether the CIA was involved in sending Wilson to Africa and whether it had done so because of interest expressed by Cheney's office.
"It was pretty clear from the context that he wanted answers as quick as I could get them. It was unusual for him to be calling me in the first place."
Grenier said he called an individual who worked in the CIA counter-proliferation division who informed him about the trip and that Wilson's wife was working in the unit that had sent Wilson there.
Before Grenier could report back to Libby, he said, Libby's office had him called out of a meeting with the CIA director. "I don't think I had ever been called out of a meeting with the director before or since," Grenier said.
"I told him, in fact, it was true that the CIA had sent Ambassador Wilson to Niger. And how much else I said about it I really don't recall. I may have mentioned he was debriefed and a report was written."
Question: "In your conversation with Mr. Libby, did you also talk about information you had learned about Ambassador Wilson's wife?"
Answer: "I believe I did."
Question: "Can you tell us about that?"
Answer: "I mentioned that, only in passing, I said something to the effect, in fact, Ambassador Wilson's wife works here."
Question: "You felt that was a piece of information that was or should be passed on to Mr. Libby?"
Answer: "I'm not sure it should have been passed on to Mr. Libby. The reason why I said it, I wanted to be as forthcoming as I possibly could."
Assessing Grenier's testimony, Larry Johnson, a retired CIA and State Department counter-terrorism expert, said, "They wanted to avoid any unpleasantness with the vice president."
Besides, Johnson said, "If you can't give the vice president and president information with any degree of confidence that it is going to be protected, then you know, the entire game is up."
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rick.schmitt@latimes.com
I'm getting tired of linking to the same article over and over, since it's obvious that sally doesn't deal with reality, but burning wood adds NOT ONE EXTRA MOLECULE of carbon to the environment. Burning wood is what is called a "closed system", in that the carbon is already present in the wood and is released by either decomposition or burning. it then is re-absorbed by other trees through the roots and converted to energy through photosynthesis. It then is re-released through decomposition or burning, and the cycle repeats in perpetuity.
The fairly recent practice of pulling fossil fuels out of the ground in the form of coal, oil and gas, and THEN burning them DOES ADD carbon to the environment, because they were trapped under ground for the past several million years, and NEW, additional carbon is now being introduced to the atmosphere for the first time. It will never convert back to fossil fuels and return underground, so this makes it an open system, where crap is added with nowhere to put it.
Is that simple enough to understand?
hi dpd. sally is really worried about the environment now. that is a good sign because he was the last human fighting the "theory" of global warming and now he is "down" with the earth firsters...i expect to see him living in a redwood with woody woodpecker soon...
sally the tree hugger calls for a mate
Good Morning, gregg!
Woody would be pecking at his skull. Seriously, I have posted SEVERAL articles explaining this, but it's obvious he never opens the links, because he has a block of wood where his Densa chamber should be.
i appreciate your devotion to education of the unwashed and unwashable dpd. how are things out there? it's been pretty cold here the past few weeks so at least the mosquitoes are not biting.
the woodstock station is playing some stuff i haven't heard before. interesting.
It's a balmy 11 degrees on the Prarie. Friday is supposed to be below zero (which oddly enough is the IQ requirement for Densa membership). 21 years ago (Saturday was the anniversary of the Bears first Super Bowl win) it was 27 BELOW that day, but it still didn't stop us from firing up the Webers for the party. (Young, reasonably healthy, and stupid and liquored up did the trick, I guess).
going back to bed dpd. i remember that chicago team. mcmahon on the motorcycle and ditka and the fridge...great stuff! see you in a few hours.
Good Morning Dem's...this is a test to see if I can post....been having some problems with that lately....
Good morning
Ignore something long enough and eventually everyone else will forget it too and mention it only in casual talk. Slow death will creep up and take over the situation and issue.
Just as there are americans dying in Iraq, there are citizens of New Orlenas slowy, but surely ebbing away. Bush didn't even mention Katrina/New Orleans in the SOTU. Didn't give a damn and the recovery efforts are mired in the same attitude.
Poor people - no damn body in this country.
Morning goodfoe and DPD,
goodfoe, your post came through loud and clear.
It is clear and 25 degrees here in Central New Mexico. We are at 5200 feet elevation unlike Phoenix. 25 degrees would be a heatwave for you guys that are at 27 below.
Didn't you hear, New Orleans is bushler's and shooter's new concentration camp for. He will just ignore these good folks and they will just go away.
Mornin all,
Back from protesting the Iraq occupation in DC. My estimate is at least 500,000. The mall was completely filled. I never seen so many buses as this time on the way home.
Of course, the media is downplaying it by saying tens of thousands which is utterly absurd.
Great speeches by Maxine Waters, Dennis Kucinich, Lynn Woolsey and others.
Yes indeed Jane Fonda gave a speech. No doubt the right wing is foaming at the mouth on this one. Jane Fonda said up to now she was afraid that she may hurt the antiwar movement but she can't stay silent any longer. Well, that's her choice.
Were there protests anywhere else?
you got that right j.
and i posted a story yesterday that showed that the attorney general of mississippi is ready to sell out the folks who got wiped out in that state. a federal judge found the agreement the ag was crafting with allstate insurance so vague and unprotective of the people that he blocked it.
wasn't bush going to rebuild new orleans into a wonderful shinning city? yeah and take us to mars to boot!
What astounded me last week was the fact that bushler gave pat robertson the FEMA money intended for N.O. They call pat's outfit a "faith based charity" and it is perfectly legal. The money eventually gets to the christians in N.O. after robertson rakes off his 95% overhead costs.
that is really awful john. great idea to give public funds to a church group that doesn't have to answer to anyone on how it spends its money.
morning rjsnj,
The demonstration looked great. I was looking at the pictures on Yahoo.com. There were LARGE gatherings in LA and San Francisco as well.
The disturbing thing to me was that association puss (press) called some of the demonstrators anarchists. We will show them what an anarchist is if they keep it up.
That is associated press.
Reuter called them Anti-War Demonstrators.
In the pictures they were saying something about the DC police clearing the streets. Is this true? If so, it sounds like the scene from Dr. Zhivago where the Russian Tsar had the Moscow demonstrators run down with horses and shot.
The demonstration looked great. I was looking at the pictures on Yahoo.com. There were LARGE gatherings in LA and San Francisco as well.
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Hi John, it was quite a large group. Glad to hear there were large protests elsewhere.
There were a couple of bone head kids that got out of line toward the end of the march. They have irrelevant to the antiwar movement. No doubt the media would focus on the exception.
We had a few chants of corporate fascist media going right in front of them! They probably had a bone to pick. So do we!
In the pictures they were saying something about the DC police clearing the streets. Is this true?
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John, the DC police arrested one person who got out of line. These sort of hooligans latch on to protests now and then. They have nothing to do with the antiwar movement. We most certainly are not not anarchists. Leave it to feckless media to come up with that.
I'm glad to hear the protests went well. I would love to go to a big protest like that. I watched some of hillary in a town hall meeting in Iowa. she was just glowing. the crowd was eating her up like chocolate cake with icecream. this is what she has been waiting for her entire life.
GOD HELP US.
I'm glad to hear the protests went well.
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Some photos here:
Morning, Dems. Sunday lineup from Al at Kos:
Face the Nation: Jim Webb vs "Single-Bullet" Spector.
Then watch as Mitch McConnell talks outta both sides of his mouth.
CBS Sunday Morning
Iraq War veterans seeking asylum in Canada.
The messier the better: the link btwn messiness and creativity.
How outdoor clothing company Patagonia encourages employee moral.
Oscar nominee Peter O’ Toole
Bob Seger and his new album.
Special Viewing: PBS’ American Experience:
The Berlin Airlift Check for your local time
C-SPAN’s Q/A: Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Cle)
MTP: Chuck Schumer vs David Vitter.
Gooper longshot, Mike Huckabee.
Former WH speechwriter Michael Gerson (who for some reason is very popular with the DC media) vs Ken Pollack. I don’t get this liberal media bias: both Gerson and Pollack (a former CIA analyst, no less) fear mongered the country into this disaster!! Pollack now suffers from amnesia.
O.K. what’s missing? ....the Libby trial. Russert must vacate 'til Libby is sentenced.
This Week: Biden vs Lugar.
Then presidential practical joke, Duncan Hunter. You know this is some sorta money making scam. Mark my words, within weeks he'll be hustling late nite infomercials.
Roundtable: EJ Dionne, Tori Clarke (former Bush spokesperson), Martha Raddatz, and George Will.
60 Minutes: Brain mapping and Savants; Rise of the A/V Techies (think "Steven Carell); An American in North Korea.
CNN: Jay Rockefeller vs Jon Kyl; Michael Steele vs Donna Brazile. And Chris Dodd.
Fox: Sam Brownback vs Joe Escalator
It looks like ABC may spend some time on Libby. Boy, that speaks volumes. On one hand, the outlets are embarrassed, cuz they were played and intimidated; on the other hand, they’ll tryin' to cover their complicitous tracks.
More photos here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/27/104229/881
I concur. Definitely 500,000+ based on filling up the capital mall. I managed to get fairly close to stage for the speeched and was toward of front of the march, waves and waves of people kept coming after I was done.
For this many people, one bonehead getting out of line and starting trouble off the main route as well is nothing. So, the media claims the antiwar protesters are anarchists. What nonsense!
I'm still holding out for GORE.
If he wants to run- he will.
he shouldn't have to be drafted.
he is the strongest candidate with the most experience. he has plenty of money and people know his name. and let's face it- HE ALREADY WON ONCE. do you ever wonder how our world would be different if Gore had won the presidency instead of bush being APPOINTED in 2000? I guarantee you we wouldn't be in a senseless war in Iraq. and I would even venture to say that 9-11 wouldn't have happened. Gore's people would have read their memos. they weren't looking for a reason to attack Iraq.
wasn't bush going to rebuild new orleans into a wonderful shinning city? yeah and take us to mars to boot!
Posted by gregg on January 28, 2007 at 07:32 AM
I think the first crew for the Mars ship should be the bush and cheney families. They would be known as the bush and cheney family robinsons.
sometimes when I see people posting here
(or similiar blogs) and saying that they served in Iraq and they support the chimp- I think they are lying. I mean, you can say anything or be anybody on the internet. and why do they want to hang out here? desperation that the little monkey man is about to go down in flames and that the war is a huge mistake? they are desperate aqnd afraid so they stalk us? I mean, I just don't get it. I blog for the SUPPORT and the unity. I blog to find people who feel like I do (to an extent)and understand the pain that this senseless war has inflicted on so many people. I was getting a lot of hate mail from these types of stalkers too. why come to a Democratic or left wing blog, email me hateful letters and then tell me to go away? THEY FOUND ME. the hate mail has trickled down. I guess they figured out they cannot get to me.
we have one year to narrow down the fields and choose a democratic candidate. one year. can we keep the party unified through this year? I think that's one reason John Kerry decided not to run. He can work toward change and try to keep the party unified. I still have nightmares about how they literally GANG BANGED Howard Dean during the debates. and it turns out Howard was right about SO MANY THINGS. We are not safer because they arrested Saddam. remember gephart saying Dean should crawl back into that spider hole of denial? who's crawled away into a hole now? not Howard Dean. he has lead the Democratic party to victory and they had better not forget it. I am only here because of Howard. I could easily be lead away into a new progressive party which I encouraged him to start a long time ago.
morning sadie,
I see these trolls as malcontents who are trying to swiftboat anyone who doesn't agree with them. They have probably been rejected by the repug sites and are trying to impress them so they will let them back into their culture of corruption.
and to whoever said that
GORE/KERRY would be an awesome payback- I AGREE!
great idea! lots of things can happen in a year. I should know. I have every debate from the 2004 primaries on tape.
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 28, 2007 at 08:20 AM
you're probably right.
I know you think I will change my mind but I REFUSE TO VOTE FOR HILLARY. I won't do it. watching her work that crowd yesterday made me sick. she has been plotting and planning this FOREVER. and there's no way to defend her support of the war at this late date. she has been up bush's ass for the past 6 years so she really cannot knock him now. she will be labeled the next FLIP-FLOPPER. "I voted for it and I stuck by my vote until time for the Democratic primaries but now I'm sorry." F$CK THAT. I will write in Kucinich.
last time Kucinich was one of the few who would speak up and say that NAFTA was a failure. remember ross Perot and the "giant sucking sound"
I allowed queen hillary her day in the sun but now I am ready to bring her down. I will make sure my voice is heard anywhere anyone will listen. she is not going to be president. she is going to ruin it for everyone. the clintons think they run this party but THEY DON'T. if we have a family dynsaty on the left IT IS STILL THE KENNEDYS. you don't think hillary has promised kerry vice if he doesn't run do you?
Sadie,
The repigs don't have a clue about the next election. They have messed up the whole world and have nothing for their platform but "stay the course". What could they possibly say that would be acceptable to the average American.
Of course many morons will always find something good in the repig party no matter what their platform. They vote "pro-life", meaning they don't give a damn who is running they don't like homosexuals, they don't like abortion, they don't like drinking, they don't like swearing. They do want do kill Muslims.
Remember, the repig party brought us Prohibition in 1919 and the country almost descended into anarchy because of it. These Bible thumping freaks won't stop until we all toe the religious line. I liken them to the Taliban. They insist that women be subservient to their husbands and only speak when spoken to. These freaks must be driven back to the dark ages where they belong.
Well, I guess I have ranted enough for a Sunday morning. y'all be careful out there and have a nice day! I'll probably be back later!
Posted by Sadie on January 28, 2007 at 08:26 AM
What bothers me the most about Hillary other than her stand on Iraq, is the fact that she is running her Campaign as if she derserves it. You don't come up on someone like " This Is Mines ". Look, there are two types of people I don't like at all. One is a bold faced liar and another is an arrogant person who thinks they deserve to be served . That's why I won't vote Republican or Hillary.
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 28, 2007 at 08:33 AM
they are already in the dark ages.
and there's no point even attempting to get through to them. I agree with everything you said. but do they really believe that george bush gives a shit about abortion? a tiny unwanted fetus is precious but you can starve the poor, the disabled and the elderly in America. you can kill 1/2 million people in a war of choice but NO ABORTIONS!
Of course many morons will always find something good in the repig party no matter what their platform. They vote "pro-life", meaning they don't give a damn who is running they don't like homosexuals, they don't like abortion, they don't like drinking, they don't like swearing. They do want do kill Muslims.
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 28, 2007 at 08:33 AM
Could this not be hypocrites on a Sunday morning? :)
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 28, 2007 at 08:36 AM
I agree. she was so full of herself yesterday.
she thinks she has it wrapped.
I didn't watch a lot of it but all the questions were designed to make her look marvelous. I know bush only lets certain people into his speaches but I hope a Democrat wouldn't do that. I saw John Kerry In Roanoke just days before we voted in our primary. Jan or feb 2004. when he was speaking someone yelled "LOOSER" really loud and they weren't hauled out in chains like people who appose bush are. my perfect ticket at this point is GORE/OBAMA
I'm off to get first dibs on some News.
bbl
OK I am really going this time.
y'all have a great day!
I'll probably be back later!
but do they really believe that george bush gives a shit about abortion? a tiny unwanted fetus is precious but you can starve the poor, the disabled and the elderly in America. you can kill 1/2 million people in a war of choice but NO ABORTIONS!
Posted by Sadie on January 28, 2007 at 08:39 AM
But then this is the same man/administration/government that feed livestock before rescuing over 100,000 human beings from the ravages of a natural disaster.
Gotta care about yourself before you can care about somebody else.
BRING BACK THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE
If there is one thing that I want the Democrats to do - along with bringing our troops home and impeaching the two thugs in the White House, is to bring back a balance on talk radio!
I started to think about why the Dems don't want to talk about inpeachment - if we impeach and the Repukes put someone in that is somewhat smart - we would only have to battle him in 08' - if Bush stays, it'll be a shoe-in for whoever we put up to run against whoever they put up...I think htta's why the Dems don't want to talk about impeachment - while our men/women are dying for a lie.
Bill and Hillary - some of the top political/legal strtegists today. Gettin' ready to put this campaign in overdrive.
These are not folks on the ordinary political playground. They're goin' for keeps.
LA Times Upgrades Wahington DC Crowd Estimate to 100,000
Submitted by cactuspat on Sun, 2007-01-28 12:55. Activism | Media | Nonviolent Resistance
I've seen some reports, unconfirmed, that event organizers were estimating the turn-out at 600,000...
Thousands join bicoastal war protest - The Washington rally draws about 100,000 people. Marchers also take to the streets in L.A. and San Francisco. WASHINGTON — About 100,000 antiwar protesters from around the country converged Saturday on the National Mall, galvanized by opposition to President Bush's plan to increase the number of troops in Iraq. Protests attended by several thousand people also were held in Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities. But the demonstration in the nation's capital was among the biggest since the war began....
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This is a consistent pattern with the media on reporting the protests. First, they'll say something ridiculously small like tens of thousands. Then, they'll confirm a much larger number but nowhere near the truth. Generally, take the largest number the media reports and multiply it by 5 times and you come close to the truth.
Does anyone have the run down on this mornings talk/tv programs?
rich, cyn posted them up above at 7:52...sources indicate the shows will be frustrating and lame.
Rep. John Conyers: “Congress Can Fire Bush!”
Submitted by davidswanson on Sun, 2007-01-28 04:43. Congress | Impeachment
By William Hughes
“It’s so irresponsible that they can’t be quiet.” - William Kristol, a Neocon, in referring to critics of the Iraqi War. (1)
Washington, D.C. On a sunny day, Saturday, Jan. 27, 2007, with the temperatures in the high-40s, the National Mall, was filled with protesters against the Iraqi War. A Who’s Who list of speakers against the ongoing evildoings of the Bush-Cheney Gang let their voices be heard by the spirited crowd. The massive demonstration’s prime sponsor was the United for Peace & Justice organization. They set the main stage for the event on 3rd St., NW, between Madison and Jefferson Avenues, fronting towards the fabled Lincoln Memorial. After the speakers’ part of the program was finished at 1 PM, a noisy, chant-filled march paraded in an easterly direction, about a block away from the U.S. Capitol, and then circled back to its starting point. Workshops and Teach-Ins are set for this Sunday by organizers, and a “Lobby Day” is slated for Monday, the 29th, on Capitol Hill. (2)
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/17830
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This confirms what I am saying. The national mall was filled. From prior protests in the 60's and 70's, when the media used to report facts not propaganda, we know that means at least 500,000. The rest will spill back into the streets.
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), was one of the four congressional leaders who spoke at the rally. He said: “Our government needs to get the message: Out of Iraq, immediately.” Conyers is the new Chair of the House’s Judiciary Committee. This is the committee which has jurisdiction over any possible impeachment proceedings. In a shot over President George W. Bush’s bow, Conyers said that Bush likes to fire military advisors, who tell him he can’t win the war, but “he can’t fire you [the people]. He can’t fire us [the Congress], but ‘we can fire him.’” With that line a roar went up in the audience. The loud chant began: “Impeach Bush!”
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This really lit the fires. After this speech, everyone was yelling for impeachment.
Impeach Da Chimp
The Chairlady of the House of Representatives’ “Out of Iraq Caucus,” Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), also ripped into Bush. She said: “My name is Maxine Waters and I’m not afraid of George W. Bush. My name is Maxine Waters and I’m not intimidated by Dick Cheney. My name is Maxine Waters and I helped to get [Donald] Rumsfeld fired. My name is Maxine Waters and Connie Rice is nothing but another Neocon and she doesn’t represent me. George W. Bush led us into this immoral war. He tricked the American people...He did not tell the truth...Bush says he is ‘the decider,’ but you know what? He’s not ‘the decider. He’s ‘the liar...’I will not vote one dime for this war...Bring the troops home.” Waters said some Congress people are only paying “lip service” to the antiwar cause. That comment struck home with me.
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Maxine got people going with this one.
hi rj,
welcome home! stoked about the day and delighted with the turnout across the nation. unfortunately, the innumerate "press" reported tens of thousands when it was actually
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
there was an excellent analysis of the news stories on Kos, detailing how much space covered the story, how much covered "celebrities" and how much covered the freeper event.
spot on! i'm continually stunned by the comments, even here, about the right wing noise machine. the focus on celebrity (Chalmers Johnson, Sorrows of the Empire) could be one of the most damaging effects of the television dependancy Americans have developed.
i'm going in for my two and half hours of mind control mania...thanx for the lineup Cyn.
nice linkage to the protests, too rj.
talk to you later!
Richardson4Prez,
Check out Cyn's 7:52am post.
Posted by Cyn_NY on January 28, 2007 at 07:52 AM
Oh, and YEA!!! for Richardson.
As Lynn Woolsey said, when the Puggies say what's your plan for Iraq? The answer is HR 508!
http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/news/2007-01-17-22-20-47-news.php
HR 508 in Lynn Woolsey's (D-CA) words:
"Our plan will also...
Withdraw all U.S. troops and military contractors from Iraq within six months from date of enactment.
Prohibit any further funding to deploy, or continue to deploy U.S. troops in Iraq. The bill does, however, allow for funding to be used, as needed, to ensure a safe withdrawal of all US military personnel and contractors, diplomatic consultations. Funding may also be used for the increased training and equipping of Iraqi and international security forces.
Accelerate, during the six month transition, training of a permanent Iraqi security force.
Authorize, if requested by the Iraqi government, U.S. support for an international stabilization force. Such a force would be funded for no longer than two years, and be combined with economic and humanitarian assistance.
Guarantee full health care funding, including mental health, for U.S. veterans of military operations in Iraq and other conflicts.
Rescind the Congressional Authorization for the War in Iraq.
Prohibit the construction of permanent US military bases in the country.
Finally, we believe that Iraqi oil belongs to the Iraqis. Once the oil is in the international market, the U.S. will certainly have access to our share. That's why our bill ensures that the U.S. has no long-term control over Iraqi oil.
"Our plan, with the exception of Veterans' benefits, will cost the American people pennies on the dollar as compared to continuing the occupation for two more years. It will save lives, bodies, and minds, and it will give Iraq back to the Iraqis. It is an important step in regaining our credibility in the region and throughout the world, and provides the President, and this Congress, with a comprehensive way to respond to the majority of Americans who want our troops to come home."
CBS Sunday Morning
Iraq War veterans seeking asylum in Canada.
The messier the better: the link btwn messiness and creativity.
How outdoor clothing company Patagonia encourages employee moral.
They are finally just now talking about this?
I mentioned this several months ago.
Okay, maybe not several months ago, but they are just now on this?
tsk tsk.
oh gag - Libernutjob is on Fox. Man he has a whinny voice.
Got to run - we're expecting 10" of the white stuff today - I have got to get to the store and buy "snowed in stuff" - you know, 7-up to mix my booze with - cigs - snacks to go with the two just mentioned and maybe something healthy to eat - on second thought - naw - why waste perfectly good money!
Keep on Rockn'
welcome home! stoked about the day and delighted with the turnout across the nation. unfortunately, the innumerate "press" reported tens of thousands when it was actually
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
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hi fade, agreed! The media has been lying about the size of the antiwar movement from the start.
BBL
Isn't this what Barbara Boxer meant when she said to condi rice that she won't pay a price?
More than 3,000 U.S. service members have now died in the Iraq war. At first it was difficult not to feel overwhelmed by the number of deaths. After four years, it is now difficult not to feel numb. In a nation without a draft, the emotional connection between the front and the home front is the weakest it has been in a major conflict in recent memory. There are so many news accounts of troops killed in combat that the details blur. The death of one soldier, or 20, loses its power to shock, except to the families of the fallen.
At some point, the way we talk about the war itself changes. We speak less and less about husbandless wives and parent-less children, and instead obscure the suffering in vaguer, more distant and—guiltily—easier terms. We shake our heads and talk about the "losses."
Keep on Rockn'
Posted by Richardson4Prez on January 28, 2007 at 09:29 AM
On the lite side
Speakin' of rockin, Miami is gettin' ready for the all time party.
Forget the home equity to scalp a ticket. End zone seats goin' for $4,700 on Ebay.
Might join a family (more reunion style) party in Fort Lauderdale. Plenty food, fun relatives and big screen TV. Can't ask for more than that.
Have a good day. Take care
FOS, keep the faith :) Might as well keep hope alive while you're at it.
Peace \/
Not Exactly The Voice Of An Now Angel Is It?
HOT off the Press........
Check it Out!
:p
Nextweek
John Edwards will be on Meet The Press
That will be refeshing after this whole week of crap.
;p
One of the young men interviewed by CBS from Canada this morning, who did combat tours in Iraq, stated that when he was attached to the hospital in Germany, aiding wounded Marines coming back from Iraq, some of them were burned so badly that he couldn't tell their feet from their faces.When they asked him "Why?" he did not have an answer. That's when he decided to go to Canada. It takes courage to desert your unit and go to Canada to protest this war......It is the ultimate protest.......The US media needs to show some of these 17-18 year old kids burned beyond recongnition.....of course, Bush does not visite these vets. does not want photo opps with these vets......
THE HILLARY FAN CLUB IS ON!
aka
The Chris Matthews Show
Todays Topic for discussion?
"Can the Clinton Machine cut Obama off at the Pass?"
I kid you not. That's exactly what Andrea Droopface just said.
So OBVIOUS!
Good morning folks. I woke up late. I was up watching a tape of the history channels Rome. It was about Nero. While Nero was being overthrown he proclaimed "You can't kill me I am a God" "When I did bad, horrible, tragic things, nothing happened to me. No one said anything. There was no divine intervention, so I must be a God" Just thought this was an interesting comment from Nero.
That always ask,
"Tell Me Something I don' know"
on that Chris Matthews Show.
I'll tell them something they don't know.
They are full of it and everyone with a brain knows it!
;p
They always ask
is what I wanted to say.
:P
morning all,
The House Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. John Conyers, threatened to use congressional spending power to try to stop the war. “George Bush has a habit of firing military leaders who tell him the Iraq war is failing,” he said, looking out at the masses. “He can’t fire you.” Referring to Congress, the Michigan Democrat added: “He can’t fire us.
“The founders of our country gave our Congress the power of the purse because they envisioned a scenario exactly like we find ourselves in today. Now only is it in our power, it is our obligation to stop Bush.”
The protests came on a day when the U.S. military reported the deaths of seven more American soldiers, raising to at least 12 the number of service members killed in the past three days.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16841070/
anybody remember what the number of Republican politicians who tried to pretend they were cowboys got knocked out last time? Burns, Allen, who else? The cowboy image has been tarnished forever. Only a fool would use it.
ps, the troll still talking about a ficticious girlfriend, yet is sitting on the blog on a Saturday night ! hmmm, wonder if it is in between her $2 bjs at the local brothel?
Thank goodness some in the military, and Vets and their families are opening their eyes to the Lie our troops are dying for:
"I've got a son who just got out of the military and another still in," said Jackie Smith, 65, from Sunapee, N.H., whose sign read "Bush Bin Lyin." "And I'm here because this is all I can do to try to help them."
Tassi McKee, from Bastrop, La., who said she was a staff sergeant in the Air Force, was among a small contingent of about 20 active-duty service members who turned out. "I believe this has become a civil war, and we are being hurt and making matters worse by staying in the middle of it," Sergeant McKee said.
She said that it was not illegal for active-duty members to attend protests but that it was strongly discouraged.
Veterans were more numerous among the crowd.
Dressed in the olive green, military-issued flight jacket that he said he wore during the invasion of Iraq while serving as a Marine sergeant, Jack Teller, 26, said he joined a caravan from Greenville, N.C., because he felt that it was his duty.
"I don't like wearing the jacket because it reminds me that I participated in an immoral and illegal war," said Mr. Teller, who had "Iraq Veterans Against the War" stenciled on the back of his jacket. "But it's important to make a political statement."
Fernando Braga, a 24-year-old Bronx native who is a member of the Army National Guard, said that he was skeptical of the war before it started. Mr. Braga said his views hardened into opposition while he served in Iraq from March 2004 through January 2005.
Soldier’s boots and a flag-draped coffin on display on the stage at an anti-war rally on the National Mall in Washington today.
(Photo: Jay Westcott / Getty Images)
"My own commander told us when we arrived that if we thought we were there for any reason other than oil then we had another think coming," he said. "I realized even commanding officers were against it but following orders."
Michael McPhearson, executive director of Veterans for Peace, said more than 100 veterans from the Iraq war were participating in the march and several hundred veterans from previous wars were attending as well.
Robert Watada, 67, of Honolulu, a retired executive with the State of Hawaii who said his son, First Lt. Ehren K. Watada, was to be court-martialed next month for refusing to deploy to Iraq, said: "So many thousands of our own have died and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and for what? And still we are having to push Congress to block the president."
Police officials declined to provide crowd estimates, but Hany Khalil, a spokesman for United for Peace and Justice, said the protesters numbered about 400,000.
PamB,
The troll is a sicko like all the rest of the repigs. We must save embryos and fetuses but it's ok to kill poor people in New Orleans, children, the elderly, death row inmates, and muslims.
I see where they had demonstrations all over California. Crowds showed up in Sacramento and Eureka even. Of course there were large demonstrations in LA and SF.
hi y'all
wow, watched John Hagee between Meet the Press and This Week. Jacque, hope you didn't miss it. He was talking about your favorite books in the Holy Bible. His interpretation of the Koran (not holy) and the fundamentalists of the Islamic faith (Iran has nukes, btw, according to fat john) who want to destroy all Christians and Jews was a real eye-opener. I'm hoping to save enough money to attend his Alaskan cruise. What a piece of salvation it was, today.
The Iranians are going to use a satellite to rid us of all electricity. Then we will have spoiled food, no cars and all the refineries will be shut down. Wow, so glad I watched.
Once again, put me in the church of Kurt Vonnegut. And start taxing these crazy muthas.
Hi Johnedward and Pam!
Next year, I'll be there with my kids, if this doesn't change. I sent one of the young women I know who couldn't afford the bus ticket. She has gone two years in a row. This was huge, and underreported in a major way. The forty freepers got almost as much air time, with their filthy hate speech. Just about the same ratio of scientists who agree about global warming and those who don't. Why do they give this equal time?
Bring back the fairness doctrine!!
Gotta go watch George Stuffinupallus....and to think this is how Americans get their "news" on politics/government. Scary.
bbl
Good morning, all.
My husband says Brit Hume's tie doesn't match his shirt this morning. I say his head doesn't match his ape's body...and his Republican arguments don't match reality.
Why hasn't any of the pundits considered the odd fact that all the intellecturals and professionals have now fled Iraq. None of them left while Saddam was still in power. Only the rich embezlers and crocked businessmen like Chalabi went into exile.
With Saddam they stayed and toughed it out, but they refuse to compromise with foreign occupiers. If that doesn't explain why we need to get our troops out of there nothing does.
There will be no political solution that stablizes Iraq until these people return and participate in a government...even if it is the same lopsided arrangement that they had with Saddam. It has to be a Iraqi solution not a Republican one.
bbl
Posted by fade2bluz on January 28, 2007 at 11:00 AM
I know. The Media is a joke....and so transparent with it. I've been serching for some real news all morning and have not come accross anything. Everything has a spin.
Grrrr!
fade.
Next year you should be there with a petition asking people to pledge not to pay their taxes or at least file an extenstion. That is the only way funds are going to be withheld from this Iraqi occupation.
The Republicans and IndependentRepublicans like Lieberman will never withhold their support of the schicopaths in the White House....they identify too much with them.
Pam,
I heard a Republican Senator this morning say that this was the first time there has been an anti-war demonstration since the invasion....and the host let him get by with it.
These liars live in a world that only justifies their means. It's now politically opportunistic to oppose an unpopular president, so now they are acknowledging the anti-war movement that began before this foreign incursion even started? I remember attending a prayer vigil hoping that we would not invade. Was I just dreaming?
Don't let the Republicans lie about the deep seated oppostion by all Americans to empire building and colonial imperialism.
We have a tradition of isolationism. Everytime one of our Presidents drags us into one of these stupid foreign entanglements it ends up a disaster. Iraq is no different.
That's all this phony war was about...even Bush has slipped and said it was always about the oil...and setting up strategic bases in Iraq. (Remember how the Saudis kicked us out when Bin Lauden threatened to strike if we didn't obey is orders to abandon the Saudi bases?)
Let's make the Republicans be honest about their motives now...they sure as hell have been lying about everything else to this point.
And just what deal did the Saudis make with the multinational Devil (Cheney) to make this happen?
Saudi Officials Seek to Temper the Price of Oil
BY JAD MOUAWAD
Published: January 28, 2007
Saudi Arabia, which benefited immensely from record oil prices last year, has sent signals in the past two weeks that it is committed to keeping oil at around $50 a barrel — down $27 a barrel from the summer peak that shook consumers across the developed world.
Ali al-Naimi, minister for petroleum and mineral resources of Saudi Arabia, at a January 17 press conference in India.
The indications came in typically cryptic fashion for the oil-rich kingdom. In Tokyo last week, Ali al-Naimi, the Saudi oil minister, said Saudi Arabia’s policy was to maintain “moderate prices.” The previous week, on a stop in New Delhi, he effectively put his veto on an emergency meeting of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries to prop up prices after oil briefly dropped below $50 a barrel, the lowest level in nearly two years....
//www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/business/28oil.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
Italics mine.
Or the Saudis covering Cheney's ass for when oil skyrockets with the coming Iranian War?
And are the Saudis worried about the Democrats forcing some kind of alternative fuel policy that will put them back to living in tents in the desert in 20 years?
Let's not be suckered into mortgaging the future for our kids because of "cryptic" moves by the Saudis and the multinational oil barons.
I just found me a Progressive Liberal Oasis!
Yeah!
bbl.......
;p
Pam,
Faux Sunday Morning with Chris Wallace. Can't remember who the Republican was.
I hate that program and would much rather watch Charles Osgood's CBS Sunday Morning, but my husband thinks Wallace is an idiot and likes to laugh at him and his guests. (See the comments above about Brit Hume.)
I do remember Lieberman was also on that program today, too.
Mornin' y'all
Can't believe I'm online at sometime other than 4:00 a.m. when things are really frosty.
To any and all who attended protests, thanks for representing me. I was not able to attend, but support you 110%. To those who did not attend, please continue to contact MSM and your congressional reps.
I do remember Lieberman was also on that program today, too.
Posted by SandyH on January 28, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Joe Lieberman stated on that show that he is open to voting for a Republican or an Independent in 2008 if the candidate is good enough.
To everyone who still thinks Joe Judas Lieberman and other DLC Fake Democrats are worth the praise and consideration for offices, I feel sorry for them.
:(
I know. The Media is a joke....and so transparent with it. I've been serching for some real news all morning and have not come accross anything. Everything has a spin.
Grrrr!
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 28, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Hi, FOS,
You should try CBS Sunday Morning. It's not all news but it's the most intelligent news progam you will find on the tube...and really a treat. They do biographic segments on artists, an On the Road in America story, and even a one minute nature piece at the end.
The only problem is that it starts during Russert's Meet the Press, so I usually miss half of it...and my husband tricks me into watching Wallace if I forget.
Don't you have to work tonight? Do you ever sleep?
I guess not until The Chimp is put out of office, right?
The Iranians are going to use a satellite to rid us of all electricity. Then we will have spoiled food, no cars and all the refineries will be shut down. Wow, so glad I watched.
Once again, put me in the church of Kurt Vonnegut. And start taxing these crazy muthas.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 28, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Now bluzy, you know what happens when you watch that darned tv.
I've read posts about 08 candidates. I tend to agree with Gregg, we need to get things done in congress now.
The members of congress who are running (declared or not) for presidency in 08 will impress me more, if they stay in DC and take care of business now. Senators particularly need to use their influence to support and work across the aisle on issues important to the middle class of this country.
I maybe in a minority, but to me this would demonstrate ability to serve as president, more than "glad handing" around the states with early primaries.
Don't you have to work tonight? Do you ever sleep?
I guess not until The Chimp is put out of office, right?
Posted by SandyH on January 28, 2007 at 11:53 AM
LOL,
I was on my regular days off Fri/Sat I slept last night for like six hours. That's pretty average right?
;p
Time For Brunch
bbl............
hi {{{essie}}}
have you seen John Hagee lately? it's been a good ten years since i last saw him, and he's put on a few pounds as well as some political muscle. does the party feed him talking points on foreign policy?
what a nut job with a huge following. anyone who watched this guy on a regular basis would be terrified. nice!
Posted by SandyH on January 28, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Sandy - I think the surge is a result of Cheney's call to report to the Saudis. I also believe all the "Iran" talk is also a result of this visit.
We are their boots on the ground. Our blood is being spilled for them.
my inner sales slut says there are two ways to sell the product: the dream or the fear
Haggee trumps it by selling the dream, the fear, and the dream of the fear...whatta guy...
the dream of the end times, raptcha and heaven without the forty virgins...
happy sunday, dreamers!
foccacia calls...time to punch it down
dixiehen,
It's all about raising funds. They have to do the fund raisers so they can compete in the front-loaded primary season next year.
I'd like to see them spend more time working to get something accomplished, too. But in the Senate we don't have a large enough majority to make it happen...and then there is that IndependentRepublican Lieberman screwing up the works.
I have every faith that Pelosi will continue sending approved legislation to the Senate that will only die on the vine unless someone helps Reid find a way to work around the "polite" Senate traditions that stonewall any Democratic legislation from being passed.
Then there is Spunky sitting on his mountain bike ready to veto any Democratic sponsored bills.
The front runners might as well hit the road. The Beltway will continue to be gridlock until we take the Senate and the White House in 2009. That is the message we need to send to the electorate next year....see what the Democratic House has been doing...
If you want working class people to have medical insurance and a minmum wage hike, kick out the Senate Republicans. If you want to stop the squeeze on the middle class, kick out the Senate Republicans.
There are some Republican weak sisters with targets on their backs in the Senate. We need to be helping the netroots in those states right now to get ready for a major assault to oust them. Let's not wait till next year. Let's get cracking now.
Gov. Dean need set up the apparatus now and give us our marching orders.
Oh, damn, my husband thinks he has to eat, which means - bbl
I don't watch Hagee, but will stop for a quick hear of Perry Stone or Joel Osteen. I know, I know, big mega, but sometimes they feed a morsel to the soul. If the tv's on here, it's news...(MSNBC/CNN) once again, I know, I know...or Emeril/Iron Chef.
I'm glad you made it back home safe & sound. I hope it does some good.
I know. The Media is a joke....and so transparent with it. I've been serching for some real news all morning and have not come accross anything. Everything has a spin.
Grrrr!
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 28, 2007 at 11:05 AM
The Media - slanted versions, fiction, untruths, full blown lies.
Hmm.........sounds familiar.
Reliable information has to be searched for. any info handed with ease to digest usually has an agenda tied to it.
Never leave a stone unturned for question.
Neocon democracy in Lebanon is beginning to look more and more like democracy in Iraq:
Hamas-Fatah violence continues; 25 dead
By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Hamas and
Fatah gunmen battled each other in the streets Sunday, having sent civilians fleeing from their homes in an increasingly bloody power struggle that left more than two dozen Palestinians dead over the weekend.
An explosion early in the morning rocked the Gaza City home of a bodyguard to Fatah strongman Mohammed Dahlan, but the guard was not in the building and no casualties were reported. At least eight people were wounded in exchanges of fire between the sides overnight, Palestinian security officials said.
The latest round of fighting began late Thursday after a Hamas activist was killed in a bombing. By Saturday night, 25 Palestinians — including a 2-year-old and a 12-year-old — had been killed and at least 76 were wounded, bringing to a standstill fitful efforts to unite the two rival factions in a coalition government.
A threat by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah to call early elections fueled the tensions that provoked the violence.
Residents of areas where the fighting was fiercest left to take refuge with relatives, and bullet holes pocked many of the buildings there...
//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070128/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_fighting
All they need now are 20,000 more American or Israeli troops and decapitated bodies piling up on the streets.
Is this the vision of democracy that Cheney has for Iran?
Posted by dixiehen on January 28, 2007 at 11:55 AM
Candidates have to capture and maintain the early money. They aren't hiding the fact.
It's all about raising funds. They have to do the fund raisers so they can compete in the front-loaded primary season next year.
Posted by SandyH on January 28, 2007 at 12:13 PM
I owe you a coke. (or whatever your soft drink choice is...just don't drink one with caffeine at bedtime)
Perry Stone or Joel Osteen
Essie,
Are these performers in the Disney's High School Musical?
I'm sorry. I come from a Catholic bingo background and now only attend annonomosly at a Lutheran service or Cathlic mass on occasion. I prefer live ministers/priests versus TV preachers.
I get the feeling you don't buy many of their self help books and DVD's?
I really should be so glib about other peoples's s
I think I'll take my smart ass away before the true believers wish my soul to the nether regions.
later.
Perry Stone or Joel Osteen
Essie,
Are these performers in the Disney's High School Musical? Or did I see them on American Idol last year?
I'm sorry. I come from a Catholic bingo background and now only attend anonymously at a Lutheran service or Catholic mass on occasion. I prefer live ministers/priests versus TV preachers.
OK. I'm sorry if I insulted those who only seek their own peace in other ways than mine. I'll take my smart ass away before some wish my soul to the nether regions.
later.
It wasn't very good the first time I typed it. I'm surely damned.
Speaking of religion...I think I've found a church that fade and I may feel comfortable in; and guess what? It's Southern Baptist.
Beer and the Bible
By Tim Townsend
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
01/27/2007
In a back room at Schlafly Bottleworks in Maplewood, about 50 people gathered on a recent Wednesday night to talk rock 'n' roll.
Why are Bob Marley and Kurt Cobain considered by some to be messiahs? When did rock music lose its edge and become another product manufactured and marketed by huge conglomerates such as Viacom?
It was a conversation perfectly suited to the setting. Beer-stained wooden tables and the smell of hops complemented a free-flowing, spirited debate among hip young people in scruffy beards and T-shirts.
In 2007, this is church.
Theology at the Bottleworks is run by a wildly successful congregation of young St. Louisans called The Journey. The Schlafly program is part of the church's outreach ministry. And it works...
The Journey defines itself as an interdenominational church, but it has a working relationship with the Missouri Baptist Convention. That confederation of Baptist churches is the state arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the country, the theologically and socially conservative Southern Baptist Convention...
//www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/nation/story/1FDE58A96F4DFD38862572700022CCCA?OpenDocument
Can you say stealth religion? Why at least this new mega box church allows you to drink and talk about stem cell research before they try to talk you out of it.
Rosie calls for the impeachment of President Bush.
Watch the short video clip:
http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=TheView&clip=120448
Pupils killed as Iraq schools hit
At least seven Iraqi children have died after their schools were caught up in a day of sustained violence across Baghdad and other parts of Iraq. Full Story:
Hey cowboy sally frosty Mc cowpie..Why don't you go bury yourself then you could be of some use mushrooms like to gromwon piles of manure...
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 02:27 AM Rose petals from moslems mean nothing to me
Neither does the Muslim government in Iraq. Your idea of "success" is to see more killing. No matter the cost to us or them. It's part of your hobby I guess.
afternoon folks- anyone see this from fox this morning? lieberman vs. brownback- why is lieberman still pretending to be a democrat? there was another story noting that he is now making plans to support a republican for the white house in '08- and now we see that dems are being outdone by extreme conservatives like brownback on the issue of the war- don't care for brownback one iota but at least he pulled his head out long enough to realize most of the rhetoric in favor of further esclation is just garbage
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 02:15 PM If you think we have too much carbon in the atmosphere than the thing to do is to plant a lot of trees
That's a start - plus more forests for carbon sequestration would likely mean more deer to hunt - whether by wolves or by us. We'll make a tree hugger of you yet cowboy.
here's the list again of how each one of us can save carbon dioxide from filling up the atmosphere. (sorry, not at single solitary word that wood burning stoves do any damage whatsoever. Seems electricity usuage is the bigger problem
http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/whatyoucando/index.html
yep you can grow them the same place you pulled your congressional election predictions from...Tee Hee Hee
you know biden might just win me over if he continues to speak with this kind of clarity:
MSNBC
WASHINGTON - The Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman on Sunday dismissed criticism a resolution opposing a troop buildup in Iraq would embolden the enemy and estimated perhaps only 20 senators believe President Bush “is headed in the right direction.”
“It’s not the American people or the U.S. Congress who are emboldening the enemy,” said Biden, D-Del., and White House hopeful in 2008. “It’s the failed policy of this president — going to war without a strategy, going to war prematurely.”
hey on the woodstove fandango we can lighten up and move on to the rest of sally's really smart stuff. forget about the big environmental picture, wood stoves make a smoke that is irritating to alot of people in particular those who have asthma or emphysema. the wood ash is a pain in the ass around the house, is a vector for carpenter ants and so on...i live out in the country and don't use it very often and plan to spend at least an additional ten thousand years in purgatory for my sins...this will provide adequate time to beat dors in the celestial pinochle game that saint pete runs.
i am most pleased that sally is taking up the environmental cause after years of being a global warming/evolution/scietific method denier. he is joining the swelling ranks of the enlightened which includes exxon, general electric and a shit load of republican cretins who know that to try to hold the line against creeping environmentalism is like trying to hold on to the third rail of the 8th avenue subway line....you can do it but your ass is smoked when yer done....
Posted by gregg on January 28, 2007 at 03:14 PM this will provide adequate time to beat dors in the celestial pinochle game that saint pete runs.
That's about how long it will take me to learn the rules.
Raging Grannies against Bush and the Iraq war:
from salon. just like sally:
Washington Wakes Up to Global Warming
By MATT CRENSON AP National Writer
January 28,2007 | NEW YORK -- Maybe it's the weird winter weather, or the newly Democratic Congress. Maybe it's the news reports about starving polar bears, or the Oscar nomination for Al Gore's global warming cri de coeur, "An Inconvenient Truth." Whatever the reason, years of resistance to the reality of climate change are suddenly melting away like the soon-to-be-history snows of Kilimanjaro...
...Environmentalists and scientists who study the problem say the nostrums Bush proposed Tuesday night will do little to prevent the serious environmental effects that the globe faces in coming decades.
Environmentalists favor imposing a mandatory cap on greenhouse gas emissions tied to a market-based emissions trading system. Several of the global warming bills that have been introduced to the new Democrat-controlled Congress would do exactly that. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has proposed creating a new global warming committee to consider the legislation.
"We want the pressure on. The pressure will drive the development of new technologies," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who introduced one of the global warming bills.
Many industry leaders have come to realize that such measures may be more an opportunity than a hindrance. The day before Bush's speech the chief executives of 10 corporations, including Alcoa Inc., BP America Inc., DuPont Co., Caterpillar Inc., General Electric Co. and Duke Energy Corp., called for mandatory limits on greenhouse gas emissions.
"It must be mandatory, so there is no doubt about our actions," said Jim Rogers, chairman of Duke Energy. "The science of global warming is clear. We know enough to act now. We must act now."
And a week before the State of the Union address a dozen evangelicals called action against global warming a "moral imperative" in a joint statement with scientists from the Centers for Disease Control, NASA, Harvard and other institutions...
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 02:27 AM The President only connected 9/11 with Iraq in the sense that we have to take down these roque regimes who harbor and support terrorists before the become an imminent threat. And that is the correct strategy.
9/11 -> al Qaeda -> Muslims --> Iraq --> Muslims --> terrorists --> imminent threat --> Muslims --> Invade --> correct strategy.
If you and the president think alike, it's no wonder he hasn't done anything right in Iraq.
gotv, good tip on the cspan2 piece. sally you really should tune in.
Posted by DPD on January 28, 2007 at 03:41 PM Good Afternoon, All!
hey, DPD. Lazy day here. Hope you're enjoying your Sunday. I'm gonna crack open a book I think and try and remember where I put my reading glasses.
--> Mohammad Atta met with Iraqi secret agents in Prague...
--> a top leader of al qeada went to an Iraq hospital for a broken leg...
Yeah, the crack head and his minions NEVER tried to link Iraq to 9/11, right?
He said Jim Webb gets whats going on!
I think it's time to go buy some more home protection from that Blackwater Group.
"GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LIUCK".
Crack Head and his Clown Posse were a virtual Greek Chorus of lies about the "multiple connections" LINKING IRAQ AND AL QEADA, AND THEREFORE 9-11.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 03:51 PM he said that we have to deal with them BEFORE they become an imminent threat.
As you said Saddam had been around for a generation and hadn't become an imminent threat.
A foreign policy based on an all knowing, omnipotent president who can predict without error that another country will someday become an imminent threat contains enough hubris to collapase under into a heap of incompetence.
Which it has.
Posted by GOTV on January 28, 2007 at 03:47 PM
the audacity of hope. :)
cya later, aligators.
aww come on sally are we gonna argue about the reasons bush told us he was invading iraq? those are yesterdays lies....he and cheney have told so many more since then those are almost quaint....hey when do we blast off for mars? is new orleans a shinning city on a hill yet?? did the twins get those jobs teaching in an inner city???
and as long as we are looking at disinformation how about:
"The Republicans will hold a 4 seat advantage in both the House and the Senate.
That prediction may change again but one thing is certain - it will not be a blowout year for either side.
Posted by FrostyPumpkins on November 2, 2006 at 03:21 AM"
say goodnite sally
Posted by GOTV on January 28, 2007 at 04:02 PM
I hope it's a steel and asbestos lead lined door. Blackwater is getting an evil torture ray.
Coming to a Blackwater Merc in Baghdad Soon….
[T]he weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010, but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it, officials said.
Note that the military is interested in its use in Iraq and Afghanistan despite the fact it will not go into production for another 3 years. That's no Friedman unit we're talking about.
But, he said that we have to deal with them BEFORE they become an imminent threat.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 03:51 PM
and he was counting on gullible, easily swayed, people like you to believe him! As has been PROVEN, they couldn't have become a threat if they had wanted to.!
ahhh, if only they had let the inspections continue and prove it, we would have 3000 US troops alive today.
Bush never said Iraq was an imminent threat. He said the opposite that Iraq was not an imminent threat. But, he said that we have to deal with them BEFORE they become an imminent threat.
Posted by Cowboy
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Maybe next we will also be told that pigs can grow wings and fly. Both Bush and Cheney several times tried to link Iraq with the horrible events that took place on September 11, 2001 , they used fear to lie and lie and lie to start that war in Iraq! Bush's job was to deal with the real threat was and still is Osama Bin Laden NOT Iraq! Osama was the sick person who helped made the plans to attack us on 9/11 which had NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ! 9/11 was the largest assault on American soil and the job of the President was to go after Osama and his crazy friends to bring them to justice! If we had as many troops in Afghanistan as we do in Iraq Osama would've been brought to justice a long time ago but instead the blood of nearly 3,000 innocent people who died on 9/11 are still crying for justice!
Dem kicking ass, We STILL hear Republicans out there trying to link Iraq and our presence there with 9/11! And Bush and cheney still try to distort what they are saying, in order to make it look like their 'war on terror' somehow has to do with their Illegal Invasion into Iraq.
I wonder what part of 'THERE WERE NO TERRORISTS IN IRAQ BEFORE THEY INVADED" they do not get?
Oh well, there are still 30% of the American population who are so dense and close minded they think we are there to make sure those Shias who are fighting the Sunnis don't come over here!
At least Jane Fonda WENT to Viet Nam, which is more than the alcoholic crack head AWOL assclown, and his pussy-boy VEEP can say.
Posted by fredz on January 28, 2007 at 04:26 PM
see, I told you there was one born every minute!
another one of the 28% who think Bush is a great leader! hahahahaha
Posted by fredz on January 28, 2007 at 04:26 PM tracy your a communist
Communists believed that using war to spread their ideology was justified.
Citizens of a democracy believe that the benefits of liberty and democratic rule are self evident and do not need a force of arms to advance around the world. Only to defend.
I'm not sure where that puts the president.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 04:36 PM 3000 troops alive and Saddam still a threat.
Saddam was pain who kept al qaeda from operating in Iraq. al qaeda attacked us and this president turned his attention and our resources elsewhere.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 04:40 PM same thing Kerry did.
Kerry killed the people who were shooting at him. Nixon made peace with the Communists and then went to China.
Reagan kissed Gorbachev and the shock brought down the wall.
And Bush sat his ass on a bar stool while he was AWOL. Who is the criminal now? We never declared a war, so she could do whatever she wanted. Meanwhile back in the world the alky crack head was raping minors and turning his liver into granite.
Getting the actual perspective from the (inoperable) gun is important so as to gauge the actual feeling of just how easy it would be for either side to shoot down aircraft which WERE NOT THERE, so how could she possibly be "aiming at our planes"?
Have you joined Little Prince Georgie's "Jack and Crack for Breakfast" club, or what?
3000 troops alive and Saddam still a threat.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 04:36 PM
A threat? Like what kind of threat? WE NOW KNOW he had nothing to use to threaten us with! And 10,000 miles away, couldn't hurt us if he did have. WAKE UP NUMB ONES!
You think 3000 of our boys were worth hanging Saddam for? 7 more yesterday. Helicopter shot down today. You show your ignorance every single time you say this! Why won't you support our troops and bring them back alive?
And for a yellow bellied cowardly chickenhawk, who would not go to Vietnam, (which is now some Glorious fight in your imagination,) to be talking about Kerry who DID, is the epitomy of hypocrisy! better just sit back there with your cigar store Indian and shut your mouth!
Never leave a stone unturned for question.
Posted by J on January 28, 2007 at 12:17 PM
I know huh? Today, there doesn't seem to be any stones to turn. It's really slow. It's so slow , that there doing stories about some "Huckleberry" dude running for the Reoublican nod. I don't even know if he's worth posting about.
;p
betcha that's what ole freddy said right before the last election, too! Bwhahahahaha!
His spelling and English say all there is to know about him. His IQ is lower than his belt size!
Oh Jeezus Croyst,
So we have two trolls idiots now ? As slow of a news day as this is , what the heck could they possible be annoying us about?
Gimmie a Break!
The only thing W(orst) ever killed were brain cells, and it shows.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 04:48 PM We are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq right now. Better there than here. The Iraqi's are fighting among themselves. that is there problem. bbl if you are lucky.
No need to hurry back.
The Iraqis don't need our help to kill Al Qaeda. They're better at spotting the bad guys than you are. All Muslims don't look alike to them.
Posted by Cowboy on January 28, 2007 at 04:53 PM Saddams nuclear program was more advanced than we had feared prior to the invasion. Didn't you even read the Kay report?
YEa. I posted the link for you last time you mentioned it.
It says his nuclear program was non existant.
FOS,
Sour Grape, Sour losers. Can't get past it!
wonder how many Republicans cut their wrists on November 7th, 2006? hehehehe
heading out for Chinese. bbl.
If Bush was AWOL, how come CBS News had to forge documents to prove it?
The Story was backed up and confirmed to be true, only the source was incorrect. The guy happened to be dead. Didn't you see the guy's secretary the next week say every single thing was correct - i.e. Bush was no where around?
Saddams nuclear program was more advanced than we had feared prior to the invasion. Didn't you even read the Kay report?
there Was NOTHING there! Nada, Zero, Zilch! Like I said, only naive, gullible, people who WANT to believe this shit, do! You better do some reading, and less Chinese checkers with your rubber girlfriend.
Those weren't proven to be forgeries. And that General's secretary verified everything in the docs, but only said she didn't remember typing them. If he wasn't AWOL, why is there a 2 year gap on his duty roster and attendance sheets, and even alky the crack head can't say who his CO was, nor can he name ANYONE who was in his unit, nor has anybody from that unit come forth to claim the quarter million dollar prize for providing proof that King Assh*le wasn't passed out under a bar somewhere, and actually showed up for more than ONE dental appointment?
Posted by fredz on January 28, 2007 at 04:56 PM
God bless bush
Never has a Republican done so much to help elect Democrats. If it weren't for the harm done to the country, we'd most certainly thank him.
heading out for Chinese. bbl.
Posted by PamB on January 28, 2007 at 04:55 PM
That sounds good. TTYL
:)
Daily Kos has an excellent run down of the situation on the ground TODAY and references to what has happened since the Chimp did his SOTU lie fest last Tuesday.
Major Combat Operations Have Ended
It's falling apart at the seams by the minute over there, and Little Lord Effitup wants to send more meat into HIS grinder.
dpd- it would seem that he ran out of ideas/options the day he stood on the carrier proclaiming "mission accomplished"- unless one believes, as some do, that creating chaos in the whole region was the real mission in the first place- it would be hard not to draw that conclusion given the mess that this administration's "diplomacy" has created throughout the middle east- how's that "democracy" workin' for ya there chimpy?
Howdy, jefro. Say to the little missus for me. Bush and that odd 28% are delusional; even the Green Zone isn't safe any more. He needs a good sit down smack down from Congress and the Pentagon in a joint hearing as to WHAT is this new "glorious plan" and what the objectives are with which to gauge success.
Without that, it's just what everyone has always suspected, eternal war for profit.
Congress should freeze ALL profits from Haliburton and we'll see how fast Cheney ends this fiasco.
hey, say what to the missus? hi, i presume? just kidding- you left that out above- just floating in and out as usual- have to get some dinner started soon and other usual chores around here on a sunday night
it's misguided foreign and domestic policies brought to us by corporate cronies who have no sense of scale, no sense of what is best for this country other than what drives their continued quest for more and more profit and power- i guess the question is whether the dems are going to speak against those like lieberman, emanuel, clinton(s), biden, et al who would sooner sell us down the river for their masters than actually look the truth in the eye when it comes to our failed imperialistic project
I have been thinking about the list of possible Democratic candidates, and I have the following thoughts about them:
1. The way that the first 10 (and especially the first 4) primary and caucus states are set up, John Edwards seems to have the advantage, because he will probably get 2 of the first 4 (Iowa and South Carolina).
2. If Democrats want someone who they think can bring a lot of the different factions of the country together under the banner of trying to obtain commonly shared goals, then Barack Obama would seem to have the advantage here.
3. If the Democrats want to relive what a lot of Democrats considered the good Clinton years of the 90s, with the good economy and the hope and optimism that it brought, then Hillary Clinton would probably have the advantage here.
4. If the Democrats want to go with someone who has a lot of national and international experience, and who is not an extreme liberal, then Joseph Biden would seem to have the advantage here.
5. If the Democrats wants to go with someone who has a lot of military experience, then if he decides to get into this thing, 4-Star General Wesley Clark would probably have the advantage in this case.
6. If the Democrats wants to go with someone who has been a Governor of a state, then Bill Richardson would probably have a shot.
Those are the only 6 that I think would truly have a good chance of getting the nomination, because I don't think that Dennis Kucinich, Tom Vilsack, or Christopher Dodd would have that much of a chance, because they don't bring anything different than the other 6 to the table, and Vilsack and Dodd would probably seem too uninspiring.
Good afternoon, all.
Now here is a bold, new approach (sarcasm):
Clinton: U.S. out of Iraq by January '09
By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer
DAVENPORT, Iowa - Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday that President Bush should withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq before he leaves office, asserting it would be "the height of irresponsibility" to pass the war along to the next commander in chief....
I've heard of baby steps but this beat all. Clinton is obvious a decisive and opinionated leader (sarcasm again)
I don't have any problem with those who take their time and don't jump to conclusions, but the times and problems we confront call for a "little" more action than..."lets wait two years to do something about the safety of our troos and the suffering of the Iraqi people."
I can only assume that we will here more from Senator Clinton in the coming months about speeding this up a bit. (sarcasm yet again)
Posted by LavoniaW on January 28, 2007 at 05:49 PM
LavoniaW,
I think you summed it up pretty well...as of the current moment. I think there will be more people on that list very shortly. This thing is wide open as far as I'm concerned.
I like all of these people to some degree. But I want to see what happens in the next year. Circumstances could change. We may be facing a lot different climate as the Iraq debacle plays out.
I don't think anybody will have this wrapped up when the primaries start. I don't think it would be healthy for the party or the nation if they did.
And there is the fact that political decisions are rarely made logically. You have to please a lot of people for a lot of reasons.
Afternoon all,
My wife saved Oprah shows from late December. The first was with Barak Obama and the second was with Al Gore.
Obama is just as charismatic as a person can get. I really like what he has to say.
Al Gore surely makes sense when it comes to global warming. The whole show was about Al Gore's documentary. Near the end, Oprah had a brief statement from a repig asshole from some "think tank (more like a bury-your-head-in-the-sand tank)". He was poo-pooing the timeframe of Al Gore's documentary. What an asshole. I hope his family and the family of all the repigs are the first to die a horrible death from the effects of global warming. It would serve them right.
At any rate, I saved these two shows so I can watch them again and again.
jefro,
The only one's I've heard recently talking about the profit motive are Chuck Hagel and Webb....and they are or were both Republicans.
Anti-War Marches Draw Hundreds of Thousands
It's time for a new day," the Reverend Jesse Jackson told what organisers estimated as a crowd of 500,000 demonstrators gathered outside the halls of Congress on the National Mall.
"We do not need more troops in Iraq, we need more money at home," Jackson said. "We need a vision of hope over fear, of preparing smart children not smart bombs. A vision realising that right makes might; might does not make right."
Full Story:
Posted by Johnedwrd on January 28, 2007 at 06:01 PM
John,
It's a shame you don't have a copy of that show from 2000 where Oprah gave Bush her "seal of approval" and a kiss on the lips...or he gave it to her (I forget who was the aggressor.). Boy, that would be a collector's piece today.
I tend to think of that kiss as a Bush crime family pledge of loyalty. I guess that relationship is not as close as it once was. Don’t look under the covers; there maybe a dead horse’s head or Scooter’s.
What is it with Bush and black women?
(Listen to me. I sound like Frosty.)
sandy- and we all (dems certainly) might ask ourselves why that is (that webb and hagel are the only ones talking about the profit motive)- actually, i'm sure that dennis has mentioned it a time or two, no?
to the above on the democratic presidential wannabes- one can only hope that one of the dems, perhaps edwards, will have the courage to talk about the terrible failures of the clinton years when it came to further selling out the soul of american democracy and the middle class- nafta comes to mind right off the top of my head- again, another reason why it is not hard to imagine that there are elements on the so-called right that are ripe for the picking when it comes to an economic populism that truly speaks for the citizens of this country against those corporate interests that are hardly part of this country anymore (with their overseas tax shelters and their slave labor that they exploit at the expense of the taxpayers here who continue to subsidize their asses)
this is an interesting read from bob moser- i have posted his stuff here before because i really like what he has to say- and i think it relates to so much that is wrong with the democratic party- he notes in this article that the dlc candidates and their strategy failed miserable in the south (harold ford the most obvious example)- those candidates that the dlc did their best not to support are the ones that won in the south (like webb in virginia), because they ran on an economic populist theme that has the potential to overturn the corporate cronies in both parties because they are saying what americans can understand and identify with
Sorry about all the typos. My cats are fighting me for the keyboard again.
jefro,
Yes, we all keep forgetting about Dennis. Maybe we shouldn't?
Economic populism was spawned by those outsourcing lizards but it runs deeper than that. There is a growing skeptism among everyone from the $200,000 electricans to the $12,000 waitress that the rich in this country don't consider themselves Americans...but men of the world with vision and a plan to set up some new sort of nobility.
Not being stupid, Rove and the conservative think tanks decided to turn the subject on its head and blame it all on the wetbacks aka "people of color."
Look for a full out assault on anyone who dares to speak anything but American English according to the Yale School of privileged dickheads. (maybe Kerry will have a second chance?)
We need to make sure that the GOP doesn't wedge the public's discontent over this occupation and class warfare with the immigration issue.
jefro....We have to have a populist candidate, one who will represent the people...therwise it's just more of the same...we need to take care of our own, the ederly, the poor, we need real reform in health care and we need our troops home now. I may be wrong about this, but as far as I know, at this point, Edwards is the only one who has flat out called to cut the funding and bring the troops home now. I'm not saying that he should be president, what I am saying is that it appears that the other canidates are tiptoeing around the issue....
Iran Must Get Ready to Repel a Nuclear Attack
by General Leonid Ivashov
In the flow of information from the Middle East, there are frequent reports indicating that the US will deliver nuclear strikes on Iran.
Read the full story:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=IVA20070124&articleId=4581
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There is a new Sunday Open Thread.
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jefro,
I posted something for you there and will reply later after I read the entire article you posted above.
DKA,
Very interesting article. Those arrogant SOB's better not attack Iran. I wrote my Senator and Congressperson some time back and told them that an attack would be the end of the fascist bush administration and that I wouldn't stand for it and neither should they.
Those SOB repigs are going to put us in the same position as Hitler was in after his attack on Soviet Union. bush and cheney and their friends and families will live in their bunkers and we will take the consequences.
Those two assholes must be stopped NOW!!!!!!!
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By now people should know what this means, especially since it was posted above.
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