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Gotta go get my son a birthday gift. His birthday is Monday. He's lucky sharing his birthday with M.L. King Jr. he gets a three day weekend for his birthday every year. See ya. Think Peace.
From the cynic (a faultfinding captious critic; especially : one who believes that human conduct is motivated wholly by self-interest): Bush knows his "surge" won't work. He expects the Democrats in congress to stop it. He is then home free. Failier not his fault. Catch 22 for Dems. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. We should! Take the heat and save our guys. Then put on our thinking cap and do what is right and smart.
This deserves posting on the new thread:
Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 09:34 AM,
No, Minnesota_Thomas, you're missing the point!! When you come in here and post a comment abdicating A huge list of "terrorist attacks" and try to associate all of them to Democratic presidents. Like there were no attacks Reagan/Bush/Bush/Quayle? For that matter, what in the hell did these three administrations (12 years) before Clinton do? Iran Contra? You, Sir or Madam, are nothing but a sniveling little hypocrit that thinks, in all your assininity, that being inciteful makes you appear insightful; somehow. Even though we know it's not a fair world that does not mean it's okay to post your misinformation and then expect to not get rebuked.
In summary, let me add, go to hell!!
Posted by davidual on January 12, 2007 at 10:02 AM
I think this is what Minn. Th. was trying to do:
2001
1. Israel Terrorism against Israel in 2001.
2. Russia February 5: A bomb blast in Moscow's Byelorusskaya metro station injures 15 people.
3. Kosovo February 18: Podujevo bus bombing, 13 Serbian civilians are killed by a bomb attack on a bus in Northern Kosovo.
4. United Kingdom March 4: A car bomb exploded outside the BBC's main news centre in London. One London Underground worker suffered deep cuts to his eye from flying glass and some damage was caused to the front of the building.[41] (See 4 March 2001 BBC bombing)
5. Russia March 24: Twenty people die and 93 are injured in three bomb attacks on Russian towns near the border of Chechnya.
6. Israel March 26: 10 months old Israeli infant Shalhevet Pass is intentionally and fatally shot in the head by a Palestinian sniper in Hebron.
7. United Kingdom May 6: The real IRA detonate a bomb in a London postal sorting office. One person was injured.[42]
8. Israel June 1: 21 civilians, mostly teenagers from the former Soviet Union, are killed by a Hamas suicide bomber in the Dolphinarium massacre in Tel Aviv, Israel
9. Sri Lanka July 24 A suicide squad of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) staged an attack on Sri Lanka's Bandaranaike International Airport and the adjoining air force base at Katunayake. The 14 man-squad destroyed or damaged about 20 aircraft and killed seven Sri Lankan workers and soldiers.
10. United Kingdom August 3: The last (at time of writing) IRA bomb on mainland Britain explodes in Ealing, West London, injuring seven people.[43] (See 3 August 2001 Ealing bombing)
11. Israel August 9: A suicide bomber in Jerusalem kills seven and wounds 130 in the Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing; Hamas and Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.
12. United States September 11: Attacks killed 2,997 in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane, originally intended to hit an unknown, but likely prominent, Washington, D.C. target, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, after an apparent revolt against the hijackers by the plane's passengers; by Al-Qaeda.
13. France Paris embassy attack plot foiled.
14. India October 1: A car bomb explodes near the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly in Srinagar, India killing 35 people and injuring 40 more.
15. Israel October 17: Israeli tourism minister Rehavam Zeevi is assassinated by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
16. United States Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloid.
17. United States December 12: Jewish Defense League plot by Chairman Irv Rubin and follower Earl Krugel to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California and the office of Lebanese-American Rep. Darrell Issa, foiled.
18. India December 13: Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.
19. United States December 22: Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.
2002
1. Israel Terrorism against Israel in 2002.
2. Singapore Singapore embassies attack plot foiled.
3. Pakistan January: Kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl.
4. Israel March 27: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya, Israel in the Passover massacre.
5. Israel March 31: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa, Israel, in the Matza restaurant massacre.
6. Tunisia April 11: A natural gas truck fitted with explosives is driven into a synagogue in Tunisia by an al-Qaeda member, killing 21 and wounding more than 30 in the Ghriba Synagogue Attack.
7. Pakistan May 8: May 8 Bus Attack in Karachi kills eleven Frenchmen and two Pakistanis.
8. Russia May 9: A bomb explosion in Kaspiisk in Dagestan kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.
9. India May 13: Twelve people are killed in the Jaunpur train crash in India, caused when Islamic extremists cut the rails.
10. Pakistan June 14: Car bomb at US Consulate in Karachi kills twelve.
11. Israel June 18: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a bus in Jerusalem in the Patt junction massacre. The attack kills 19 people and wounds over 74.
12. United States July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
13. India September 10: A train derailment in India kills 130 people in the Rafiganj rail disaster. Naxalite terrorism is suspected.
14. India September 25: Two terrorists belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammed group raid the Akshardham temple complex in Ahmedabad, India killing 30 people and injuring many more.
15. United States October: John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
16. Yemen October 6: Limburg tanker bombing in Yemen.
17. Indonesia October 12: Bali bombing of holidaymakers kills 202 people, mostly Western tourists and local Balinese hospitality staff.
18. Philippines October 17: Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines kill six and wounds about 150.
19. Philippines October 18: A bus bomb in Manila kills three people and wounds 22.
20. Russia October 19: A car bomb explodes outside a McDonald's Corp. restaurant in Moscow, killing one person and wounding five.
21. Russia October 23: Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue three days later.
22. Israel November 21: Hamas orchestrates the Jerusalem bus 20 massacre. Eleven people were killed and over 50 wounded when a suicide bomber detonated on a crowded bus in central Jerusalem.
23. Kenya November 28: Kenyan hotel bombing.
24. India December 21: Kurnool train crash, Islamic extremists derail a train and kill 20 people in India.
25. Russia December 27: The truck bombing of the Chechen parliament in Grozny kills 83 people.
2003
1. Israel Terrorism against Israel in 2003.
2. Iraq Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2003.
3. Colombia February 7: Car bomb kills 36 and injures 150 at the El Nogal social club in Bogotá, Colombia; FARC rebels are blamed.
4. Philippines March 4: Bomb attack in an airport in Davao kills 21.
5. Israel March 5: A Hamas suicide bomber kills 17 people and wounds 53 when he detonates a bomb hidden under his clothing in the Haifa bus 37 massacre.
6. Iraq March 23: SGT Hasan Akbar, USA, murdered two officers and wounded 14 soldiers in a grenade attack at an Army base in Iraq.
7. Saudi Arabia May 12: Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160 in the Riyadh Compound Bombings. Al-Qaeda blamed.
8. Russia May 12: A truck bomb attack on a government building in the Chechen town of Znamenskoye kills 59.
9. Russia May 14: As many as 16 die in a suicide bombing at a religious festival in southeastern Chechnya.
10. Morocco May 16: Casablanca Attacks by twelve bombers on five "Western and Jewish" targets in Casablanca, Morocco leaves 41 dead and over 100 injured. Attack attributed to a Moroccan al-Qaeda-linked group.
11. Russia July 5: 15 people die and 40 are injured in bomb attacks at a rock festival in Moscow.
12. Russia August 1: An explosion at the Russian hospital in Mozdok in North Ossetia kills at least 50 people and injures 76.
13. Iraq August 19: Canal Hotel Bombing in Baghdad, Iraq, kills 22 people (including the top UN representative Sergio Vieira de Mello) and wounds over 100.
14. Israel August 19: Jerusalem bus 2 massacre: A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a crowded bus carrying mostly Orthodox Jewish Israelis, including many children returning from the Western Wall. 23 people are killed and over 130 wounded.
15. India August 25: At least 48 people were killed and 150 injured in two blasts in south Mumbai - one near the Gateway of India at the other at the Zaveri Bazaar.
16. Russia September 3: A bomb blast on a passenger train near Kislovodsk in southern Russia kills seven people and injures 90.
17. Israel October 4: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 21 and wounds 51 in a Haifa restaurant in the Maxim restaurant massacre.
18. Palestinian National Authority October 15: A bomb is detonated by Palestinians against a US diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip, killing three Americans.
19. Turkey November 15 and November 20: Truck bombs go off at two synagogues, the British Consulate, and the HSBC Bank in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 57 and wounding 700 in the 2003 Istanbul Bombings.
20. Russia December 5: Suicide bombers kill at least 46 people in an attack on a train in southern Russia
21. Russia December 9: A blast in the center of Moscow kills six people and wounds at least eleven. (See Red Square Bombing)
2004
1. Israel Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004.
2. Iraq Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2004.
3. Israel January 29: Jerusalem bus 19 massacre: Hamas and Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades orchestrate a suicide bombing on a bus in Jerusalem, Israel killing eleven people and wounding more than 50.
4. Russia February 6: Bomb on Moscow Metro kills 41.
5. Philippines February 27: Superferry 14 is bombed in the Philippines by Abu Sayyaf, killing 116.
6. Iraq March 2: Ashoura Massacre: Suicide bombings at Shia holy sites in Iraq kill 181 and wound more than 500 during the Ashura.
7. Pakistan March 2: Attack on procession of Shia Muslims in Pakistan kills 43 and wounds 160. (See also: Ashoura Massacre in Iraq.)
8. Turkey March 9: Attack of Istanbul restaurant in Turkey.
9. Spain March 11: Coordinated bombing of commuter trains in Madrid, Spain, kills 191 people and injures more than 1,500. Suspected Al-Qaeda authorship.
10. Israel March 24: Israeli soldiers arrest Hussam Abdo, a 15 year-old Palestinian boy with explosives strapped to his chest at the Hawara Checkpoint. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades sent Abdo on a suicide mission to bomb the checkpoint.
11. Saudi Arabia April 21: Bombing of a security building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills five.
12. Saudi Arabia May 1: 2004 Yanbu attack kills six Westerners and a Saudi in Saudi Arabia.
13. Israel May 2: Pregnant Israeli commuter Tali Hatuel and her four young children are gunned down at close range by militants from the Popular Resistance Committees and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
14. Saudi Arabia May 29: Al-Khobar massacres, in which Islamic militants kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.
15. Russia August 24: Russian aircraft bombings kill 90.
16. Russia August 31: A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills ten people and injures 33.
17. Russia September 1 – 3: Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia, results in 344 dead.
18. Indonesia September 9: Jakarta embassy bombing, in which the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed, killing eight people.
19. Egypt October 7: Sinai bombings: Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 34 and wounding 171, many of them Israeli and other foreign tourists.
20. Thailand October 28: Two people killed, 38 injured by two explosions in southern Thailand.[44]
21. Saudi Arabia December 6: Suspected al Qaeda-linked group attacks U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing five local employees.
22. Philippines December 12: A bombing at the Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines, kills 15.
2005
1. Iraq Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2005.
2. Thailand January 7: Explosion at a railroad crossing - no casualties. One Buddhist shot dead in southern Thailand.[44]
3. Thailand January 16: One person dead, over 50 others injured in an explosion in a commercial area in southern Thailand.[44]
4. Lebanon February 14: A car bomb kills former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri and 20 others in Beirut. See also: 2005 Lebanon bombings.
5. Thailand February 17: Seven people dead, 40 injured by a car bomb outside a hotel in southern Thailand.[44]
6. Israel February 25: A suicide bomber in Tel Aviv kills five Israelis and undermines a weeks-old truce between the two sides.
7. Thailand March 6: A Buddhist monk was killed by gunmen in southern Thailand.[44]
8. Thailand March 7: Two policemen and three unknown attackers were killed in a shootout with five gunmen disguised as veiled Muslim women at a police station in southern Thailand.[44]
9. Thailand March 15: One policeman was killed, three injured by bomb in southern Thailand.[44]
10. Qatar March 19: Car bomb attack on theatre in Doha, Qatar, kills one Briton and wounds twelve others.
11. Thailand March 19: 15 people, ten of them policemen, injured in two explosions. One of the bombs was detonated via a cellphone.[44]
12. Thailand March 26: One Buddhist dead, two injured, in two attacks by gunmen in southern Thailand.[44]
13. Thailand March 27: Two bombs used to stop an armoured train patrolling in southern Thailand, terrorists then fired on the policemen on the train. Approximately 20 policemen and some other passengers were wounded.[44]
14. Thailand April 3: 2005 Songkhla bombings: Two people killed (possibly five), 54 injured, by three explosions in Hat Yai -one at the airport, one at a hotel, and another at a department store.[44]
15. Egypt April: April 2005 terrorist attacks in Cairo – On April 7 a suicide bomber blows himself up in Cairo's Khan al Khalili market, killing three foreign tourists and wounding 17 others. In two further attacks on April 30, suspected accomplices detonate a bomb and spray a tourist coach with gunfire.
16. Myanmar May 7: Multiple bomb explosions across Myanmar's capital Yangon kill 19 and injures 160.
17. Afghanistan June 1: A suicide bomber blows up in a mosque in Kandahar, Afghanistan, killing 20 people.
18. Iran June 12: Bombs explode in the Iranian cities of Ahvaz and Tehran, leaving ten dead and 80 wounded days before the Iranian presidential election.
19. India July 5: 2005 Terrorist attack on Ayodhya – Six terrorists belonging to Lashkar-e-Toiba storm the Ayodhya Ram Janmbhomi complex in India. Before the terrorists could reach the main disputed site, they were shot down by Indian security forces. One devotee and two policemen were injured.
20. United Kingdom July 7: London bombings – Bombs explode on one double-decker bus and three London Underground trains, killing 56 people and injuring over 700, occurring on the first day of the 31st G8 Conference. The attacks are believed by many to be the first suicide bombings in Western Europe.
21. Israel July 12: Islamic Jihad takes responsibility for a suicide bombing in Netanya, Israel, which kills five people at a shopping mall.
22. United Kingdom July 21: Attempted London bombings - Small explosions in three London Underground stations and one double-decker bus. This was pronounced as a "major incident" rather than an attack, and only minor injuries were reported. These four bombs were designed to cause as much damage as the 7 July 2005 London bombings, but the explosives had deteriorated and failed to detonate.
23. Egypt July 23: Sharm el-Sheikh bombings – Car bombs explode at tourist sites in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, killing at least 88 and wounding more than 100.
24. India July 28: Jaunpur train bombing: 13 are killed when militants detonate a bomb on a commuter train in India.
25. Israel August 4: Jewish settler in an IDF uniform opens fire on a bus in Shfaram, Israel, killing four Israeli Arabs and wounding five.
26. Bangladesh August 17: 17 August 2005 Bangladesh bombings: Around 100 homemade bombs explode in 58 different locations in Bangladesh, killing two and wounding 100.
27. Indonesia October 1: A series of explosions occurs in resort areas of Jimabaran Beach and Kuta in Bali, Indonesia.
28. Russia October 13: A large group of Chechen rebels launched coordinated attacks on Russian federal buildings, local police stations, and the airport in Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria. At least 137 people, including 92 rebels, were killed.
29. Iran October 15: Two bombs exploded at a shopping mall in Ahvaz, Khuzestan in Iran. Six people died and over 100 were injured.
30. Iraq October 24: Multiple car bombs explode outside the Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq, killing at least 20. It is thought that the attacks were targeting journalists inside the Palestine Hotel and the Sheraton Ishtar.[45]
31. Israel October 26: A Palestinian suicide bomber detonates a bomb near a falafel stand in Hadera, Israel that kills himself and six others. Twenty-six people were also wounded.[46]
32. India October 29: Multiple bomb blasts hit markets in Delhi, India, leaving at least 61 dead and more than 200 injured.
33. Indonesia October 29: In Poso, Central Sulawesi, four Christian schoolgirls aged 15 to 17 years on their way home from school were assaulted by six masked muslim men who beheaded three of them, Theresia Morangke, Alfita Poliwo, and Yarni Sambue, with machetes and placed their severed heads in front of a church and a police station. The fourth girl, Noviana Malewa, survived but suffered serious machete wounds. The terrorists belong to the group Tanah Runtuh whose leader Hasanuddin confessed at his trial that the well-planned assault was inspired and financed by Guru Sanusi, a former Muslim rebel (Moro Islamic Liberation Front) from Mindanao.[47] [48]
34. Jordan November 9: Three explosions at hotels in Amman, Jordan, leave at least 60 dead and 120 wounded.
35. Israel December 5: A suicide bomb attack kills at least five people in Netanya in north-western Israel.
36. India December 28: Two or more unidentified gunmen open fire at the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, India, killing a retired professor of mathematics and wounding four others.
2006
1. Israel 2006: Qassam rockets fired by Hamas into Israel, especially the cities of Ashkelon and Sderot, injures many citizens.
2. Iraq Suicide attacks in Iraq in 2006.
3. Iraq February 22: Al Askari Mosque bombing ignites sectarian strife in Iraq.
4. Pakistan March 2: Bombing in Karachi, Pakistan kills four, including a U.S. diplomat.[49]
5. United States March 3: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
6. India March 7: Bombings in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi, India kill 28 and injures more than 100.
7. Israel March 30: Palestinian suicide bomber kills himself and four others at Kedumim Junction in the West Bank.[50][51]
8. Pakistan April 11: A suicide bomber explodes himself in Karachi, Pakistan, and kills 57 Sunni worshippers.[52]
9. Israel April 17: Sami Hammad, a Palestinian suicide bomber, detonates an explosive device in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing eleven people and injuring 70.
10. Egypt April 24: Bombings at three locations in Dahab, Egypt kill 20 Egyptians and three foreigners, and injure 62 others.
11. Pakistan May 11: Six policemen die and twelve are injured when five bombs go off in a police academy in Quetta, Pakistan.[53]
12. Sri Lanka June 15 : The LTTE detonate two claymore mines targeting a bus carrying 140 civilians in Sri Lanka. 68 civilians, including ten children, three pregnant women and their unborns, are killed. Approximately 60 civilians are injured.
13. Israel June 25: Eliyahu Asheri, an Israeli citizen, was kidnapped and murdered by the Palestinian terrorist group, the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC).
14. Iraq July 9: 40 Sunni civilians are massacred by Shia militants in Baghdad, Iraq.
15. India July 11: A series of explosions rock commuter trains in Mumbai, India, killing 209 and wounding another 714 civilians.
16. Pakistan July 14: Suicide bomber in Karachi, Pakistan kills a Shiite Islamic cleric Allama Hasan Turabi and his nephew.
17. Iraq July 17: Explosions and gunmen kill 48 people in a market in Mahmoudiya, Iraq.[54]
18. Iraq July 18: Car bombing near a Shiite shrine in Kufa, Iraq kills 53 and injures 103.[55]
19. Germany July 31: Two suitcase bombs are discovered in trains near the German towns of Dortmund and Koblenz, undetonated due to an assembly error. Video footage from Cologne train station, where the bombs were put on the trains, led to the arrest of two Lebanese students in Germany, Youssef al-Hajdib and Jihad Hamad, and subsequently of three suspected co-conspirators in Lebanon.[56] On 1 September 2006, Jörg Ziercke, head of the Bundeskriminalamt (Federal Police), reports that the suspects saw the Muhammad cartoons as an "assault by the West on Islam" and the "initial spark" for the attack, originally planned to coincide with the 2006 Football World Cup in Germany.[57][58]
20. Afghanistan August 4: A suicide car bomber struck a market in Kandahar, Afghanistan killing 21 people.
21. United Kingdom United States August 10: A major anti-terrorist operation disrupts an alleged bomb plot targeting multiple airplanes bound for the United States flying through Heathrow Airport, near London, UK.
22. Moldova August 13: Two grenades explode on a trolleybus in Tiraspol, Moldova, killing two people and injuring ten.[59]
23. India August 16: A bomb exploded in a Hindu temple near Imphal, India, killing five and injuring nearly 50 other.[60]
24. Iraq August 20: Gunmen spray bullets on Shiites in Baghdad, killing 20 people and wounding more than 300.[61]
25. India September 8: At least two bomb blasts target a Muslim cemetery in the western town of Malegaon. The blasts kill 37 people and leave 125 others wounded.
26. Syria September 12: Four attackers armed with grenades and machine guns attempt to storm the U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria. Three of the gunmen and one Syrian guard are killed during a battle between the attackers and Syrian security forces. One Syrian employee of the embassy and at least ten bystanders are wounded, among them, seven Syrian telephone company workers and a senior Chinese diplomat. Police recover a car laden with explosives and other IEDs. Syrian Ambassador to the United States Imad Moustapha announces that his government suspects a group called Jund al-Sham is responsible.[62] See Damascus terrorist attacks.
27. Yemen September 15: Four suicide bombers and a security guard are killed in early-morning attacks on the Safer refinery in Marib and the al-Dhabba terminal in Hadramout, Yemen. Although no group has claimed responsibility Islamic extremists are suspected. See the September 15th Yemen attacks page.
28. Thailand September 16: 2006 Hat Yai bombings: four people killed, 82 injured, by six bombs along the main commercial street of Hat Yai. The devices were placed approximately 500 meters apart, and were remotely set off every five minutes.[63]
29. Somalia September 18: Eleven people, including the presidents brother and six attackers, are killed in an assassination attempt on the Somalian president.[64] See 2006 Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed assassination attempt.
30. Afghanistan September 30: A suicide bomber detonates his explosives outside the interior ministry in Kabul. The attack kills twelve and wounds over 40.[65]
31. Sri Lanka September 18: An LTTE suicide bomber rams a truck packed with explosives into convoy carrying unarmed Sri Lankan Navy personal going on leave, killing at least 92 sailors.[66]
32. Northern Ireland November 1: The Real IRA detonates a series of firebombs in a large hardware retailers, a sports store and toy shop all in Belfast, the hardware retailers and sports store were completely destroyed. No fatalities.[67]
33. India November 20: A suspected terrorist bomb explodes on a train in India. See 2006 West Bengal train disaster
34. Lebanon November 21: Assassination of Pierre Amine Gemayel, an anti-Syrian politician and scion of Lebanon’s most prominent Christian family blamed on Syria, Iran and Hezbollah despite their denials.[68]
35. Iraq November 23: A series of car bombs and motar attacks in Sadr City, Iraq kills at least 215 people and wounds a further 257. See Sadr City bombings for details.
36. Northern Ireland November 24 Michael Stone, prevented from murdering members of the Sinn Fein political party.[69][70]
37. Spain December 30: A bomb explodes at the Madrid airport, killing two Ecuadorians and injuring 26 people. The ETA a Basque terrorist group has claimed responsibility.
38. ThailandDecember 31: Eight bomb explosions in seven areas of Bangkok, Thailand's capital city, three people died, nearly 40 injured.
2007
1. Palestinian National Authority As of January 9th since December 2006 forty seven attacks in the Gaza Strip by pipe bomb and rocket lauched granades by the Swords of Islamic Righteousness on individuals and business it considers immoral.[71]
2. Philippines January 10 Three bombs kill six and injure twenty seven in the southern part of the country. Muslim militants trying to disrupt Asian Summit suspected.[72]
3. Greece January 12: Explosion at the US Embassy in central Athens; police suspect rocket. No injuries reported; at least one window blown out.[73]
If the current pace continues there will be 36 attacks by year’s end.
I think that makes his point, don't you?
{{{Veneita}}}
it's almost like Bush's phoney 'war on terror' is not really working at all, isn't it?
ps, did you see the Republicans out arguing that the Democrat's idea of checking everything coming into our ports now is going to cost billions of dollars? hmmmm, maybe we can take a week off from the Iraqi occupation and use that money for it, instead, so that at long last, we start some REAL efforts to stop terrorism from getting into this country! Hopefully, the next step will be to raise the border agents and patrols to levels where they were before Bush got in. Maybe as they start getting back our troops from Iraq, we can give them jobs really fighting terrorism, instead of sitting ducks in a Civil war !~
Posted by Veneita on January 12, 2007 at 10:40 AM
Great post. That will be reposted again and again.
The trouble with Hitler's and the Chimp wimp's Mesianic view of the World is that there is no Mesiah to back them up. That's why there plans can never work!!!
"GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK".
If a complete time line of radical Islamic activity was what M-T wanted to do why would he/she preface the post with: Terrorist Attacks 1992 - 2000 during President Clinton's years of office?
McCain out there today defending and applauding Bush's escalation to send more boys into this quagmire of a Civil War.
You go, John. Keep it up. Your chances of getting any American's votes for Pres are getting slimmer and slimmer! Makes you appear as senile as you really are!
The U.S. Military may have officially signed off on President Bush's new Iraq plan, but there is still a healthy dose of skepticism about the so-called surge strategy. Many officers have taken to using the acronym "JEL" to characterize the number of troops dedicated to the new effort. It stands for “Just Enough to Lose." "Look, is this a national effort, or more of the same mid-level one" asked a senior officer who has served in Iraq. "What I heard last night is more of the same. We either needed to go big — and that means 100,000 soldiers to fight, take on the nastiest elements like Moqtada Al Sadr, and police that country alongside Iraqis — or we should have found a way out."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1576676,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner
lINK TV had a program called TIME-BOMB WHICH SHOWS HOW the Chimp Wimp's deficit spending can lead to a complete callapse of our economy. The program also talked about the Repug's using deficit spending in order to cut entitlement programs, food stamps, veterans benefits, medicare, etc.
TIME-BOMB.ORG
"GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK".
The best thing about the Chimp Wimp's and his followers Strategy's are what is helping us take control of Congres and the Senate for a long time.
He's the best thing we have hurting his own party!!!
"GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK".
The Arsenal of Tools Congressional Democrats Can Use To Force the Bush Administration To Cooperate with Their Efforts To Undertake Oversight
Was not the increasing rise in terrorism inevitable? These terrorist attacks are occurring not only against US interests but against countries all over the world.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 12:00 PM
It certaining was. It will continue to get worse by the actions of this administration.
thomas
what you are missing as the point here is, YES, the plot for 9/11 was in the works prior to bush coming into office, BUT the Bush administration, in a determination to not use anything Clinton passed on to them, IGNORED the Richard Clarke Al Qaeda report, and the IGNORED the report " Al Qaeda to strike within the USA" which outlined planes being used to crash into buildings!
This is what we rail against. No one here professes Terrorist attacks only started when Bush took office, only that he refused to give them the proper attention that was necessary.
BUT YES, Bush HAS increased muslim anger and hatred towards us. His unwarranted, illegal, deceitful attack on Iraq has made the entire world, but especially the Middle East countries, hate us all the more. His Iraqi deaths spawn more and more enemies towards us. Countries which used to respect and ally with us, now view us negatively.
Posted by PamB on January 12, 2007 at 09:03 AM
Are ALL people in the State of MN simple, or are we just unfortunate enough to have them drawn to this blog????
I hope you do not consider me simple just because I live in MN. There are pockets of the unenlightened. I live in the district that elected (R)Michele Bachmann, now lovingly referred to as 'Baghdad Bachmann' in reference to an interview she gave last week. Read this column by Nick Coleman today concerning that interview it is hilarious!
Interesting tidbits. I wish the text was posted.
Library of congress
6. H.J.RES.12 : Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States authorizing the Congress to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.
Sponsor: Rep Murtha, John P. [PA-12] (introduced 1/11/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 1/11/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
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7. H.J.RES.13 : Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to school prayer.
Sponsor: Rep Murtha, John P. [PA-12] (introduced 1/11/2007) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: House Judiciary
Latest Major Action: 1/11/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
An authoritative US intelligence report pooling the views of 16 government agencies concludes America's campaign in Iraq has increased the threat of terrorism.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1880275,00.html
I know it's old news to most of us here...
Olbermann's special comment on the SOTU:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/13477/1/Countdown-SC-Surge.wmv/
{{lav}}
not at all, in fact you and Dors remain the voices of sanity from there.
I threw that out, because of the trolls.
Coleman's article is hilarious. I watched a Rep from MN on C-Span this morning talking about those MN guards who thought they would be home in March, now on hold through the summer! Those poor families .
Gotta love this:
"This is diplomacy by skimming; it is internationalism by drawing pictures of Superman in the margins of the text books; it is a presidency of Cliff Notes.
And to Iran and Syria — and, yes, also to the insurgents in Iraq — we must look like a country, run by the equivalent of the drunken pest, who gets battered to the floor of the saloon by one punch, then staggers to his feet, and shouts at the other guy's friends, "ok, which one of you is next?"
Mr. Bush, the question is no longer "what are you thinking?," but rather "are you thinking at all?""
Would he have attacked the training camps in Afghanistan and if so, would not have those actions enraged the Muslims? I think so.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 12:16 PM
One this question, I agree with you. Yes & yes.
had to have made some respoLet’s say Gore won in 2000 and the 9/11 attacks occurred on his watch (remembering these were originally intended to happen while Clinton was in office so keep in mind Bin Laden has no party affiliation); “President Gore” would have
thomas, most of us here believe that 9/11 would not have happened at all, or as catastrophically had Gore been elected!
He was with Clinton while the investigation of Al Qaeda was being drawn up. They were very, very aware of the increasing danger of them.
Do you really imagine Gore would have gotten a report "Al Qaeda to Strike in the US" a few weeks before it happened, and not done anything?
Posted by SalutetheDems on January 12, 2007 at 10:11 AM
You wrote, "Bush knows his "surge" won't work. He expects the Democrats in Congress to stop it. He is then home free. Failure is not his fault. Catch 22 for the Dems. Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
Bush is going to have to answer to the American people for what he has already done, and not just what may happen in the future. He started this war, it unpopular now, and most Americans blame his administration for the predicament that we are now in concerning Iraq. All the Dems have to do is to be seen by the American people as being for doing whatever it takes to try to bring this situation to an end. For example, they will have to be seen as trying to compromise with this Administration as much as possible while holding this President's feet to the fire, and not letting him get us deeper into this predicament. They can stick to their guns about rejecting this
Administration's plan that was put out on Wednesday. They can come up with solutions of their own that they try to persuade the Administration to adopt. They can also go ahead and plan to use the Constitutional authority of "the power of the purse" if Bush does go ahead and implement his newest strategy and it hasn't started to work well in 6 months time. And, they can also hold hearings to get this Administration to give an account of how he has been conducting this war.
If they do all of these things, and the situation is still not what it should be in another 6 months to a year, then I think that the Dems will be in the clear, and this Administration will have to take most of the blame for the situation.
Bush may also try to get the Iraqui government to share in any blame that may befall him. And, although it will probably be true that they will be to blame also, that will not absolve Bush from his part in the blunder, and he will have to answer to the American people for it.
Also, if we are still in this situation come 2008, that may also hinder the asperations of the Republicans that seek the Presidency in 2008, which would almost guarantee that a Dem will be our next President in January of 2009.
Belive me, this situation is Bush's to lose and not the Dem's!
Of course, in a way, it is all of ours to lose because we keep losing some of the brave young men and women of our armed services, not to mention 2 billion dollars a week!
Posted by PamB on January 12, 2007 at 12:23 PM
Of course Pam, ol Al would have gone off to his phony cowpoke ranch to clear brush. Waitaminute! He doesn't have a phony cowpoke ranch! Doh!
You have a bit of a short fuse David. I restrain for personal attacks, try it yourself. Really helps with general discussions.
Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 11:38 AM,
OOhhoh, I'm sorry Mr. Cool! Of course, you are correct. Maybe I should check into Rush Limbaugh's clinic and get something for that anger. Not!!
What a twit! You know the purpose of your post, you associated anything that happened from 1992, which was before Clinton took office, to 2000. I'm not backing up Clinton, but when you go back to Carter and not mention the 12 years of Reagan/Bush/Bush/Quayle your post loses relativity to what you say you are saying.
In terms of me having a short fuse I totally detest lies and misinformation. Maybe if the 104th - 109th Congress' felt the same then our country would not be in the mess that it is in. If there is one thing (one and the same) that will set me off it is lies and misinformation. I guess that's why I'm not a Republican!
Condi might want to think about putting those shoes out on consignment....
Republicans in Congress who do not want to be quoted tell me that the State Department under Condoleezza Rice is a mess. This comes at a time when the U.S. global position is precarious. While attention is focused on Iraq, American diplomacy is being tested worldwide -- in Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, Korea and Sudan. The judgment by thoughtful Republicans is that Rice has failed to manage that endeavor.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011002021.html
Gates Urges Increase in Army, Marines
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates yesterday proposed adding 92,000 troops to the Army and Marine Corps, initiating the biggest increase in U.S. ground forces since the 1960s to shore up a military that top officers warn is on the verge of breaking from prolonged fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The permanent increase of 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines would cost more than $10 billion annually and take five years to achieve, underscoring the Pentagon's conviction that today's wars and anti-terrorism operations will endure for many years. "We call those 'long war' forces," a senior military official said.
John Stewart on the eerie similarities between Prince George and Lincoln:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/13464/1/TDS-Bush-Lincoln.wmv/
Would he have attacked the training camps in Afghanistan and if so, would not have those actions enraged the Muslims? I think so.
Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 12:16 PM,
All Muslims are not extremists!! By attacking the training camps, yes, we would have angered extremist Muslims. However, we would not alienated ourselves the way we are now. Mr. Bush seems intent assisting bin Ladens Jihad, in reigniting the Crusades, of pitting Christians against Islamics. Nobody wins a holy war. But who has more to lose? We do, and that is exactly what we are doing, losing more. Furthermore, the longer we stay, the more embroiled we become, the more the extremist Muslims win. Death means nothing to them. The more we kill, the more we lose because we become like the ones that we persue.
Can't you see the contrast? The more we lose, the more they win; and it's not a horse race, it's not a football game. We lose by expending all of resources, including human, in trying to defeat an invisible enemy. They can keep us fighting over there for the rest of this century, and they will if we are stupid enough to do it.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 12:49 PM
Do you support the increased troops in Iraq as decided by the current president?
Minnesota_Thomas,
This is how we lose! ...initiating the biggest increase in U.S. ground forces since the 1960s to shore up a military that top officers warn is on the verge of breaking from prolonged fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Esmeralda, thanks for the link.
The Bush Legacy.
What George Bush has done is to expose in clear ways, Foreign Policies of the US Government of decades of implementation by all Administrations.
Yes, Bush will go down in history as the "worst" President ever, responsible for the lowest level in history, regarding US reputation abroad. He has precipitated a National and Foreign economic crisis by acting so boldly and in such imperialistic way with no regard for diplomacy or any other International Law.
He's legacy: "exposing in clear terms to the rest of the world, the policies of those dark forces who got him into power and keep supporting him today"__ The cat is out of the bag and the whole world knows now and are taking steps to protect themselves...
If there existed any doubt, those doubts have been made very clear.
This has long term negative consequences into the future for all Americans.
Minnesota_Thomas,
Do you favor hitting Iran with low-level Nuclear weapons? If so, How is that going to help stop this holy war?
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 12:16 PM
You wrote, "Let's say Gore won in 2000 and the 9/11 attacks occured on his watch (remembering these were originally intended to happen while Clinton was in office so keep in mind Bin Laden has no party affiliation); "President Gore" would have had to have made some response to al Qaeda.
Would he have attacked the training camps in Afghanistan and if so, would not have those actions enraged the Muslims? I think so."
First of all, we don't know that 9/11 would have occured on "President Gore's" watch. And, even if it had, I say yes, the extreme Muslims would have been enraged by "President Gore" attacking their training camps. But, "President Gore" would have been justified in doing so, and we would have had most of the world on our side in fighting al Qaeda, and we would probably have found Bin Laden and the rest of the terrorist that attacked us on that terrible day.
But, that kind of thing would be vastly different from what happened with President Bush. He lost track of his mission to find Bin Laden and the other terrorists that attacked us. He has made enemies of countries around the world that used to be our allies, has gotten us into an unjustified, seeminly unending War in Iraq, has brought more terrorists into Iraq than were there prior, and have even turned a lot of moderate Muslims against us.
And, that is the real difference, Minnesota_Thomas, we now have moderate Muslims (and people who were moderate before Bush's invasion) against us. There is no way that "President Gore" would have done that!
Sure, there were always going to be some extreme Muslims against us, but when we lost the good will of some of the moderate Muslims, that is what people mean when they say that, "Bush has made the Muslims hate us more." They are talking about the moderate ones (or previously moderate ones before Bush's unwarrented attack in Iraq)!
Posted by PamB on January 12, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Yeah I knew it was for the trolls but I just had to...;)
I must have missed the MN rep, I watched all morning until around 10 CST. Darn! One thing I do know it wasn't 'Baghdad Bachmann'. She could care less.
We just stand still and take their best shots and keep muttering through broken teeth... we win, we win, we win?
Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:06 PM,
Of course, you're being irrational, but probably with the intent of inciting me so you can accuse me of going off easiy.
No, we don't just do what you said, we work through global intelligence agencies to bring the perpetrators to justice. Has this so-called "War on Terror" brought bin Laden to justice? No, but it sure has aided and abetted the splintering of bin Laden's organization making them ever more difficult to stop, and henceforth, destabilized the globe in the process.
Al Gore Q and A on the approproate response and action re: Global War on Terror.I'm guessing 9/11 would not have happened had Al Gore been the president of the United States.
http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/02/02-09gore-qa.htmlQ: Your administration did little to evict Osama Bin Laden from Afghanistan after the terrorist attacks in the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Why?
A: We took many steps to try to eliminate him and his terrorist network. The support here at home, much less overseas, for a land invasion of Afghanistan by the armies of the United States was not present in any way prior to the attack on September 11. We did attack with our military forces from the air. We did use many of the assets that we have available to us, covert as well as overt, in an effort to dismantle his network. And we did not succeed in that. I think that the proposal now pending to have an independent investigation of what went wrong in the intelligence community during the last year and a half and before ought to be put in place. You know, having spent eight years reading the intelligence briefings every morning at the start of the day, six mornings a week, and knowing what was in those reports for the final two years I was there, I was amazed to read just a few days ago that on September 11 the FBI had one agent assigned to monitor Al Qaeda and to protect us against Osama Bin Laden. I found that absolutely incredible. Well, I bite my tongue about the rest of it.
'No timetable' for Iraq progress
The US defence secretary says there is no timetable for Iraq to comply with President Bush's new strategy. Full Story:
Hi to LavoniaW, PamB, BlueinIdayo, Michigan_Dave,Olivia, Lavndrblue, and any I may have missed answering the beckoning of Minnesota_Thomas.
US soldier jailed for Iraq deaths
A US soldier has been sentenced to 18 years in jail after pleading guilty to murdering three Iraqis. Full Story:
Blast at U.S. embassy in Athens called 'terrorism'
Read more >
Bush faces rebellion over Iraq
Congress and public opposed.
Isolated Bush faces rebellion over Iraq
Congress to reject plan
Public against extra troops
Full Story:
US Activists Campaign to Block Iraq Troop Increase
By Andy Sullivan
Rule no. 1: always default to "death to America" for any issue. Clear-thinkers.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:06 PM
Ever stop for a minute and ask, Why??
Ever stop and think "Man, I wonder what that Shite or Sunni Muslim felt when we blew his effin' house up in front of his face??"
Ever stop and wonder what it feels like to hold your dying Muslim child with half their body burnt to a crisp from a misguided american bunker buster??
Ten years ( and we're only talking about Iraq here) under UN Sanctions and miserable lives under a dictator, starvation and "Hooorray, here come the Yanks to bomb the rest away".
I suppose regardless of whether I was Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish or Gnostic, I'd probably be tempted to be real effin' extreme.
We can sit here and speculate all day long about what President Gore would have done before and after 911.
The one thing is for certain. With the Democrats in control, we will find out who was at fault for 911, one way or the other. And we will find out just what George did or didn’t do leading up to 911.
And that my friends will be very interesting! It should once and for all set the Republicans back 20 years in this country. I think things will start to heat up in just a few weeks. Then as we say in Indianer – poop will hit the fan!
Keep on Rockn'
Contact your Senators and Representatives now, tell them you're against sending more troops into Iraq and demand that all funding of the war be cut off and end the war now. Click on links below to take action. Do it now!
DKA thanks for the link...
New militant groups like the Revolutionary Struggle are opposed to the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq.
The same group claimed responsibility for a May 2006 bomb attack on Culture Minister Giorgos Voulgarakis, in which nobody was injured
Bush's policies are breeding terrorists all over the world, not stopping them. I heard on Air America that this terrorist group hasn't been active since the 70's(?) I believe and have now resurrected because of Bush's policies.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:27 PM
How about Option #3??
Diplomacy. An example of where to begin below. Start there, develop allies in the region and use them and their influence on "The Global War on Terror"
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6366
The Iranian regime is undoubtedly odious. But one of the requirements of an effective foreign policy is to engage with unpleasant regimes when America's national interest requires that step. This is one of those cases.
Moreover, do hawks genuinely believe that the alternative to a grand bargain -- preventive military strikes, perhaps involving up to 400 targets, some of them beneath densely populated urban centers -- is sensitive to the plight of Iranians?
Are we to believe that such a policy, which would involve thousands of civilian deaths, is the policy that best serves the interests of the Iranian people?
Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:27 PM,
I have two exceptions with your theories:
1. Many retired and current military commanders say that we would need 300 - 500 thousand troops to secure Iraq. Even Mr. Bush's additional 20,000 will not be enough.
2. It is our presence in Iraq that is driving the force behind the Jihad. We could put a million troops in Iraq. Kill 'em all, until "the blood flows bridle deep" to take a phrase from Revelations, all we'll end up doing killing is ourselves.
To take another phrase from the Bible, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I do believe you know who said this. I also believe you know that the speaker, who was definitely without sin, did not cast the first stone, henceforth no stone was cast.
Violence begets violence, and is not in keeping with God's word no matter what religion you may choose for worship.
Oh, yeah, notice that worship is spelled with an "o" not an "a"! Do you know what I mean?
Posted by davidual on January 12, 2007 at 01:30 PM
Dude :):):)
Well, I guess I've had enough rational irrationality for this afternoon. It's been real, it's been fun, so I guess that means it's been real fun.:)
Take five to strive and avert the dive!!
PURGE THE SURGE!!!
See ya!
"conventional bombs would do that but I think Israel would do that long before we would. They are the intended target"
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:40 PM
IAEA: Iran Nuclear Report 'Outrageous'
U.N. Blasts House Committee Claims On Tehran's Weapon-Making Capability
The letter, obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday outside a 35-nation board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency, says the report is false in saying Iran is making weapons-grade uranium at an experimental enrichment site, when it has in fact produced material only in small quantities that is far below the level that can be used in nuclear arms.
The dispute was reminiscent of the clashes between the IAEA and Washington over whether Saddam Hussein was trying to make weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear arms. American arguments that Saddam had such covert arms programs were given as the chief reason for invading Iraq and toppling Saddam.
Ya Buddy, let's go blow those f***er's up. Horses ass. That's exactly the mindset that got us in to this mess in the first place.
The solution is dialogue and diplomacy. Period. We need to start making friends over there and plenty of them.
The solution is not Bunker Busters, Patriot's or M-1's and certainly not anything remotely resembling pre-emptive or unilateral action.
Political Nightmares 2006
They call themselves servants of America,
Employees of American Independent voters.
“We the PEOPLE” Constitutional guarantees,
Give us Liberty motto, serving US proud.
Oh, how you have failed US dearly!
You failed to walk the talk of the streets,
Instead you prostate yourself in shame,
Adorned on rich mirrors of country clubs.
Fraternity of extreme political abuse,
Dismantling Constitutional protections,
Executive Privilege of one divine Party
Aborting check and balanced power!
Political Creative Corporate Accounting,
Enron of Republican fraternal cronyism,
Absorbent Medicare Halliburton favoritism,
Right wing green blooded wealthy nepotism.
America needing Freedom and Democracy,
Needing a patriotism act for civilian people.
Not a Bush Patriot Act of private invasion,
Guantanamo Presidential White House justice.
People Constitutional Liberty Bell Party,
Statue of Liberty singing a patriotic verse,
Country united together upon a diverse love
That will never divide for special interests.
David L. Young 01/12/07
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:54 PM
Brahahahah. ROTFLMAO
Surely you jest, Dude.
"If this was the rule, you and I would be speaking German,( You must be referring to Hitler I guess and then assuming after he conquered France and Great Britain, He would aspire to swim the Atlantic with his troops and take over the United States) "unless of course your were Jewish then you would be silienced forever." (This one is killing me. Do you mean the same Jew's in Israel that just carpet bombed Lebanon?? Those silent Jewish people?)
Veneita,
Most of the junk you listed have nothing to do with USA.
Wasn't it the pug reich that kept repeating USA is not the world police man!!!???!!
Now were you lying for them for their past actions or are you lying today regarding your position?
Or are you a flip-flopper?
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:54 PM
"Sanctions only work if all countries who signed onto them followed them and were not going around secretly selling arms to the sactioned or trading oil for cash like Kojo Annan."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090701646_2.html
It also accused U.S. officials of approving "the single largest episode of oil smuggling" out of Iraq, by Jordan, in the weeks before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003. The United States and Jordan declined Volcker's requests for interviews and documents, the report said, saying his panel had no authority to investigate oil smuggling outside the oil-for-food program.
You are so right!! Look at these bastards. Oooops, it was us.
Michigan_Dave at 2:06Pm...Right on the money...nice to "see" you again, Dave...you may not have seen this...it's an email I sent out to every Democratic Senator who has an email address in DC....if you have seen it...disreguard it and scroll past........
..................“PURGE THE SURGE”
I have just read an extensive explanation on the proposed details of Mr. Bush’s proposed troop increase and economic incentives for Iraq. We have lost over 3000 of our children to Mr. Bush’s miss-administration of the war in Iraq. If we do an about face and start bringing our troops home right now, we will have still wasted ½ a trillion dollars of the tax payers’ money on “Bush’s Folly” in Iraq. Billions of dollars have been lost and stolen with no accountability by either the Iraqi government or Mr. Bush’s administration.
The Iraqi government has failed to even attempt to bring peace and stability to Iraq. They have not tried. They are more interested in killing each other off in an attempt by the various factions to gain total control. While we have been spending money and lives in attempting to build schools in Iraq, 20% of our own children live in poverty.
While we have been attempting to rebuild hospitals in Iraq, our own people have one of the poorest health care systems of any industrialized nation.
While we have been attempting to rebuild the electrical grid in Iraq, our own electrical grid is obsolete and easily vulnerable to terrorist attack.
We can not be the world’s policeman and should not try. That’s what the UN is for.
And we should not be the charity blank check for the world. We can not afford that either. Economics should determine what a country attempts to do. We never could afford Mr. Bush’s Folly and we sure can’t afford to go forward with it.
Mr. Bush claims to be “a man of faith,”…I don’t think so, for it is written, "But if any provide not for his own and ‘specially for those of his own house (nation), he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel”… 1 Timothy...5-8
To follow Mr. Bush’s proposed course of action would be to throw more lives and money after that which has already been lost…..
If Mr. Bush wants “a troop surge,” he should go to Iraq and lead it himself.
Signed …John Harris
Co-Author of ‘”Journey Through Cancer Land”
I was told by Mercedes Benz Human Resources a few years back that I could not write Poetry in my own home. I was also denied the right to post any kind of Poetry on the Internet. Can Congress have a Bill to restore the right of American Corporate employees to use the Artmosphere and culture inside their own homes of Freedom and Democracy.
I was 'Terminated for Poetry', but I want Congress to give civilians the right of Constitutional guaranttes of Free Speech, especially while in their own Home Sweet Home. That they cannot terminate someone for something done inside one's home, without a trial. That they cannot use Guantanamo corporate justice with this Executive Privilege of passing over Constitutional rights.
They also got upset that I was supporting Kerry, over Bush, said it was unpatriotic to be a Liberal. It seems one has to have a conservative skin to have employment rights of self expression.
QUOTE OF THE YEAR
(and one that should be engraved on the walls of Congress!)
Out of the mouth of a hard core Republican caller on the Washington Journal, expressing her anger at the Right and Lefts failure to say good things about Iraq and picking on poor Condi during the Foreign Relations hearing yesterday:
Them Republicans have turned into Democrats.
The only real Republican left is Joe Lieberman.
PUG REICH DEMAND ATTACK OF IRAN FOR GREEK REVOLUTIONARY GROUP ACTIONS OF BOMBING AN EMPTY BUILDING!!!
Gee this seems too much like the Gulf of Tonkin to me!!?!?
It seems the pug reich is wrong again. These attackers were part of the Greek Revolutionary group, they were not Arabs, were not Iraqi, were not Iran, were not Al Qaeda, were not Hezbollah.
Another Gulf of Tonkin 2007!?!?
The Greek Revolutionary group is a group upset about not being able to participate in the 2004 Olympic, they support the street peoples rights to sell stuff on the roads.
Someone took something I wrote on my own time to work.
Poet,
What kinds or poems? XXX lymrics are certainly going to raise an alarm!
""I was told by Mercedes Benz Human Resources a few years back that I could not write Poetry in my own home.""
"How would they even know?"
I date all my poetry with a date. So I could not write any verse against Bush, nor have any public opinion that might conflict with any puvblic official.
XXX lyrics are Free Speech, but I find them offensive for one must use reason over four letter obsenity. You could take all my poems combined and find maybe a few that have strong words. The language of the workers on the floor was so bad at times I had to ask women not to use the F word.
Poet,
Take an advice from Robert Kiyosaki, Rich Dad Poor Dad. If you run around waving hundred dollar bills yelling what can I do with this money. Someone will tell you what you can do with it and you will no longer have it.
Please take a little personnel reponsibilty for your own stuff. The world is not your mother or guardian.
I noticed the reich wing pugs are pushing freedom of speech to it edge. Just like the ultra-left that is funded by the right too. Hum? All the idiots who do not have any self control profess their freedom of speech is getting robbed.
Best method to deal with these abuse of freedom of speech is to not play with them.
So, you're saying Bin Laden would have backed down completely, not changing his plans to accommodate discovery of his plans? He would have said, "Oh well, they caught me, I'll just give up my intended desire to eradicate western civilization and go back to tending goats"? I think not.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 12:30 PM
you don't pay attention! but then, you and Martha never did!
I said over and over, Gore would have been paying attention to the reports and done things to catch those Saudis before they had a chance to do what they had planned! Or at least have caught most of them.
I am taking responsibility of my poetry, and living the dream of writing my roller coaster. The dollar bills I wave around is my retirement account dream that one cane be a Free Spirit.
All I want is to be, somewhere in America not on compasny time, de-terminated to succeed on this impossible path.
So in failing, I may succeed, but Corporate America cannot ban Poetry in the home "At Will". So I will lose everything to have lived in Free Verse of Constitutional Freedom and Democracy.
2. Leave. Yes, this will cut our losses but then the massacre will begin. The Sunnis and Shiites will go after each other in a massive power struggle and soon no only Iran but other surrounding countries will get in to support their chosen side. Meanwhile, the streets will run red with the blood of men, women and children who could care less what religious sect is bigger/better/holier/stricter. These people only wish to live, worship and mind their own business. In addition, the Kurds lose huge as they are on neither side
hmmmmm, sounds exactly like what is going on right now, right down to iran and Syria sending in help. Does our being in the middle of it help? Nope!
Our presence there merely FUELS them into attempt to get rid of us.
some GOOD news:
Convicted lawmakers to lose pensions
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/4466445.html
and for those who wonder why I despise Lieberman SO much:
Bush’s Best Democratic BuddyJoe Lieberman gives the president a pass on Katrina.
I'll be watching HOWARD!!!
MURTHA! WAY TO GO!! you're so right.
THE SURGE IS UNACCPETABLE!
STICK TO YOUR GUNS DEMS
AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 01:27 PM
I agree with your assessment to a degree. However, I question your lack of conclusion to the first option loosely titled, "fighting to the end". End of what? A general that basically wrote the book on winning a war such as this estimates that to "end" or win a war under these circumstances would require an increase of over 300,000 troops. Ready to sign up?
Leaving will embolden the terrorists to make even more horrific attacks against the US, here and abroad.
How do you come to this conclusion? First and foremost, our invasion of Iraq was not in response to an attack from Iraq. IMO, staying will cause more attacks, leaving will save more American soldier. The choice for me then is easy.
Poet...most of the large corporations have inhouse legal staff or law firms on retainer to advise them as to what they can and can not do reguarding terminations. In some states an employee can be terminated "without cause" or for "no cause'. Thats state law which most corporations rely on. However, being the mean spirited, vindictive person that I am, I would have tried to file under federal law with the EEOC. I might have lost but I might have had the satisfaction of forcing them to spend their time and money to defend themselves......and off course, there is always the ACLU.......
Promising Troops Where They Aren’t Really Wanted
BAGHDAD, Jan. 10 — As President Bush challenges public opinion at home by committing more American troops, he is confronted by a paradox: an Iraqi government that does not really want them. Full Story:
Britain Signals Plans to Reduce, Not Increase, Troop Levels in Iraq
By ALAN COWELL
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/world/europe/12britain.html?_r=1&ref=worldspecial&oref=slogin
So much for Bush's fake promise when he said that if the Iraqis want us to leave we will leave. Damn liar!
Bomber Attacks Foreign Convoy Near Kabul
A suicide bomber rammed his explosives-filled car into a two-vehicle convoy carrying foreigners south of Kabul on Friday, wounding at least one Afghan civilian, police said.
Full Story:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-asia/2007/jan/12/011203047.html
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Not a damned thing? From which Fox news station did you get that false rhetoric? Clinton tried everything and was strongly rebuked for it everytime by the same rightwingers that are dripping blood from their lips today.
You cannot rewrite history, no matter how hard you try.
CLINTON: No, no. I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him.
The CIA, which was run by George Tenet, that President Bush gave the Medal of Freedom to, he said, "He did a good job setting up all these counterterrorism things."
The country never had a comprehensive anti-terror operation until I came there.
Now, if you want to criticize me for one thing, you can criticize me for this: After the Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden.
But we needed basing rights in Uzbekistan, which we got after 9/11.
The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible while I was there. They refused to certify. So that meant I would've had to send a few hundred Special Forces in helicopters and refuel at night.
Even the 9/11 Commission didn't do that. Now, the 9/11 Commission was a political document, too. All I'm asking is, anybody who wants to say I didn't do enough, you read Richard Clarke's book.
CHRIS WALLACE: Do you think you did enough, sir?
CLINTON: No, because I didn't get him.
WALLACE: Right.
CLINTON: But at least I tried. That's the difference in me and some, including all the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try. They did not try. I tried.
So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke, who got demoted.
American patience is limited, and obviously if the Iraqis fail to maintain their commitments we'll have to revisit our strategy,” said Gates.
At one point Gates, just three weeks on the job, told lawmakers, “I would confess I'm no expert on Iraq.” Later, asked about reaching the right balance between American and Iraqi forces, he told the panel he was “no expert on military matters.”
Committee members pressed Gates, who replaced Donald H. Rumsfeld at the Pentagon, on an exit strategy for the U.S.
“At the outset of the strategy, it's a mistake to talk about an exit strategy,” he said.
OooooKaaaaay....now I get it, in order to be Secretary of Defense in the Bush Administration you don't need to be an expert on Iraq or.....unbelievably.....know anything at all about military matters. Good Grief Give Me a Fu....g Break!! If this man is so stupid that he admits publicly and under oath that he is unqualified for the job than by Golly Give the dude a chance.........This is our New Sec. of Defense??? Knows nothing about Iraq and less about the military and Bush gives him this job?? Am I missing something or am I as stupid and uninformed as Bush believes me to be???
peace
Impeach this President!!!!!!!!!!
Condi Rice filed Richard Clarke's report in "file 13"....Donald Rumsfeld did the same thing with Gen Zinney's repot "Desert Crossing"....anything that did not agree with the contrived intell they were feeding the American people and Congress was hidden....
Thomas,
Then what? Bin Laden would've stopped? Not likely PamB. All Gore would have caught was a 19-man squad on one mission. Surely you don't believe that would have been the end of it?
You don't think stopping the death of 3000 people and a plot that was 3 years in the making would have been a victory ??
Of course Bin laden is STILL plotting out there, and hates the USA more than ever. PLUS, if Gore had been President, he would not have halted the search for Bin Laden like Bush did. For Bush to catch Bin laden, is to signal to the country that that is the end of the war on Terror, and he sure does not want that------not while there is still all that oil to be obtained!
PamB at 4:o6PM...Right on!!!...one of the reasons Iraqi oil was so enticing to Bush and Cheney is that the cost of extraction on Iraqi oil is much lower than oil from other areas, about $5 per barrel vrs as high as $15 to $20 per barrel in other areas. Too rich a prise to not go after when all you have to do is fabricate the intell to justify the invasion...who needed bin Laudin?....
Going back at the start of the Iraq war President Bush said that the war would be paid for by oil revenues in Iraq yet the United States has spent over half a trillion dollars on this war. Why isn't anyone questioning this in public? It appears that the American people have been lied again! Why isn't anyone demanding any answers about this? Where is the accountability? The American people deserve to know the truth and it's time to stop funding this failed Iraq policy. Bring the troops home now. It's time to draw the line and end this war.
Posted by Esmeralda on January 12, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Why is Murtha sponsoring flag-desecration and school prayer amendments right now? Why is he even screwing around with amendments? What is up with that?
Hi People,
Yesterday MoveOn.org staged an impromptu rally across the states standing against the escalation in Iraq.
My brother and I decided to go, made a huge sign reading, "Iraq Escalation? Wrong Way!", and planted ourselves at the designated corner of 47th & Broadway at The Plaza of Kansas City, MO.
What amazed me was the fact that about 175 people showed up for that rally on less than a day's notice. There were young kids from a local school, former Vietnam protesters, average folks of all income levels, a wide mixture of people!
Almost every car that drove by (and that was a constant bumper-to-bumper flow in all directions for hours) honked in support. Clearly, it appeared about 80%-90% agreed with our stand.
I took lots of pictures. The local ABC news channel came to shoot and interview. Even the Dos Mundos news publication shot photos and interviewed many of us. It was very encouraging for me to see it all.
Once home, I turned on the ABC local news station and waited and waited for them to play the piece on the rally. Finally, they showed maybe 5-10 seconds of the rally and used it as a lead-in to show 30+ seconds of Bush and soldiers getting ready for the surge. I was really pissed... and disappointed. Clearly, ABC is a right-wing demigod. Having spent most of my career in advertising, it don't take much to know their agenda.
Hello again!
House passes prescription drug reform.
HOW THEY VOTED
Posted by DPD on January 12, 2007 at 05:05 PM
Anyone else think that the rules in Congress need to be changed a bit? Instead of just Yeas and Nays (or Ayes and Noes) they need to give a short reason for their vote also. I mean, they do have reasons for the way they vote, right?
get your popcorn makers tuned up for this one:
Libby perjury and obstruction trial set to begin
Case comes to court as public concern over Iraq war heightens
By Joel Seidman
Producer
NBC News
Updated: 18 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Trial is set to begin in the perjury and obstruction trial of former top White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Libby is the only person to be charged in the three-year probe into who leaked the name of C.I.A. agent Valerie Plame.
It's a trial that may have little or nothing to do with the Iraq War, but still it may go to the heart of the war debate that is consuming America - involving allegations of forged documents, covert operations, the machinations of political operatives, and a spy's cover blown - events that eventually led to a U.S. invasion of Iraq.
do you believe in fitzmas?
Doomsday clock ticks
Nuke programs push world to 'perilous period'
Warning that the world has entered "the most perilous period since Hiroshima," the keepers of the famed nuclear Doomsday Clock plan to move it closer to midnight.
The symbolic clock now stands at 7 minutes to midnight, with midnight representing global catastrophe.
(more at link)
now I wonder if this was planned or not.........
Baghdad Suffered Total Power Outage During Bush Speech. Talk about a "Surge!"
American troops may not only be responsible actually carrying out the Bush "surge" plan. As reported in an AP story today, "Soldiers found themselves explaining the new U.S. strategy to Iraqis, many of whom said they hadn't seen Bush's speech on television because they had no electricity."
A match made in heaven! Lies, spin, deceit, distortions, will be their vows!
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice let slip her news media preferences Thursday, saying, "I love every single one" of Fox News network's correspondents and also favors CBS anchor Harry Smith.
In comments overheard on an open microphone between morning television interviews, including one with Fox, the top U.S. diplomat said: "My Fox guys, I love every single one of them."
"President Bush has said it.
A lot of government scientists have said it.
But until yesterday, it appeared that no news release on annual climate trends out of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration under the Bush White House had said unequivocally that a buildup of greenhouse gases was helping warm the climate.
The statement came in a release that said 2006 was the warmest year for the 48 contiguous states since regular temperature records began in 1895. It surpassed the previous champion, 1998, a year heated up by a powerful episode of the periodic warming of the tropical Pacific Ocean by El Niño. Last year, another El Niño developed, but this time a long-term warming trend from human activities was said to be involved as well.
“A contributing factor to the unusually warm temperatures throughout 2006 also is the long-term warming trend, which has been linked to increases in greenhouse gases,” the release said, emphasizing that the relative contributions of El Niño and the human influence were not known.
A link between greenhouse gases and climate change was also made in a December news conference by Dirk Kempthorne, the secretary of the interior, as that agency proposed listing polar bears as threatened under the Endangered Species Act.
While opposition to the Bush escalation speech policy is indeed strong in the U.S., many parts of the world community could not disagree more with those who oppose this surge for some interesting reasons. Many nations of the world contribute soldiers and other peacekeepers to UN peacekeeping efforts throughout the world and expect that Iraq is the United States peacekeeping and humanitarian problem to solve.
Current UN Peacekeeping missions include: Sudan(10,123 UN peacekeepers), Ivory Coast(9,036 UN peacekeepers), Liberia(15,038 UN peacekeepers), Democratic Republic Of The Congo(18,473 UN peacekeepers), Ethiopia and Eritrea(2,285 UN peacekeepers), Western Sahara(206 UN peacekeepers), Haiti((8,360 UN peacekeepers), Timor-Leste(981 UN peacekeepers), India-Pakistan(43 UN peacekeepers), Golan Heights(1,048 UN peacekeepers), Lebanon(11,512 UN peacekeepers), Middle East(150 UN peacekeepers), Cyprus(918 UN peacekeepers), Georgia(135 UN peacekeepers) and Kosovo(16,300 UN peacekeepers).
The U.S. does contibute members to UN Peacekeeping missions in the Middle East, Georgia, Kosovo, Liberia and Ethiopia-Eritrea. But China, France, Germany, Ireland, Denmark, El Salvadore, Japan and other nations provide most of the manpower for these risky missions around the world, which have involved many deaths in most of these troublespots. France and other nations also provide individual peacekeeping efforts in dangerous areas such as Ivory Coast as well, providing thousands of soldiers in this important cocoa producer state, otherwise chocolate products would disappear from the store shelves of the world.
Certainly the world community including the UN member states were highly critical of the 2003 Iraq War that the U.S. started. But there is a consensus around the world that it is the problem of the U.S. to act as peacekeeper in this increasingly violent sectarian conflict.
Americans can find many reasons to believe that Iraq is a hopeless military situation and urge a complete troop pullout. Yet few of these persons offer any solution to preventing an even worse humanitarian crisis that will undoubtably result without policing by U.S. or other world community forces. Certainly the 2003 war was wrong for many reasons. But the situation is well past that point now, and the problem of how to restore some peace and security to Iraq is not always addressed by most persons at this current point that we are at right now. UN forces are pretty much extended throughout the world and probably cannot provide the manpower and equipment needed that the U.S. currently has to provide at least the same level of security in Iraq as now. The country could sure use some answers in how to restore security to Iraq. The UN cannot be expected to solve every world problem.
PROGRESSIVE VALUES
HERE IT IS. the make-up department must have worked overtime on the saline and glycerine solution for this photo op.
Posted by DPD on January 12, 2007 at 06:23 AM,
Wow, this really hits home!! I do not get the local paper, so I did not realize the importance of this photo. Marine Cpl. Jason Dunham is from the town in which I am currently residing. I did not realize until today when I brought my son home and was emptying his backpack to go over his papers. I looked at the weekly report (fourth grade newsletter) and discovered that Jason's grandmother works in the cafeteria of my son's school.
The thing that sucks about this is, not just the fact that I am so out of touch within my own community, but also the fact that Mr.Bush does so many photo ops he leaves a question on whether this is real or memorex. One would hope that he could feel emotion for those in which are dieing in his war.
I'll tell when I read on the newsletter to have the children wear red, white, and blue in honor of Marine cpl. Jason Dunham it really hit me. I'm sure he knew the risks, yada-yada, but he should never have been there. Much too young to die for this fuckin' travesty. My heart definitely goes out to his family.
Shit!!!
That's all!!
Hi DPD,
I have been reading and blogging about that one on Lieber-nuts over on other blogs, including Daily KOS.
Here is a list of 2008 Senators up for re-election. Note the ones in Caps in the Republican column. Be ready to jump on any Dem opponents as soon as they appear, especially on the vulnerable ones with poor records. Collins in maine has to go, Inhofe, Dole, Sununu all should be easy targets. Once we get 5-6 more Dems in office, we can tell Lieberman exactly where to go!
Hannity again falsely claimed Sudan offered bin Laden to Clinton
Myth: Clinton Did Nothing To Fight Terrorism
The War On Clinton
Osama on a Silver Platter? Yeah, Right.
AAANNNNnddddd....THE OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT REPORT CALLED "The 9-11 Report"
But I guess that article from the Tribune owned L.A. Times would have NOTHING to do with the author's political slant. Right? (Hint: Google him).
Oh, and before you masturbate yourself silly, that was an OP-ED that you cited. I can't wait for the phony "tape" which is ONLY owned by "NewsMax" and will not be released to ANYBODY in it's original form.
Impeach Bush and Cheney!
Dear EmailNation Subscriber,
Americans voted their disapproval of the President's Iraq strategy in November, yet he has chosen to escalate the conflict. As Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel explains in a special VideoNation report, Bush is recklessly using American lives to salvage a delusional national policy and set the stage for wider war.
In contrast peace groups and members of Congress are crafting creative ideas to extricate the US from this catastrophic conflict, as vanden Heuvel's survey in Editor's Cut shows.
Most urgent, as the Nation magazine's lead editorial argues, is the ratcheting up of pressure on Congress to block Bush's Iraq escalation plan.
Rep. John Murtha offered a new plan to halt the escalation this morning at a hearing on Iraq convened by the Congressional Progressive Caucus, as Ari Berman reports in The Notion.
Senator Edward Kennedy has proposed a smart bill to stop Bush's troop surge, as John Nichols writes in The Online Beat, as well as to renew constitutionally mandated checks on presidential warmaking.
And visit The Nation's Take Action Center to urge your Senators to vote in favor of Kennedy's bill.
thomas, thomas, I keep telling you that you are sadly lacking in information! this was all news a couple years ago!
When exactly was the order given by President Bush to halt the search for Bin Laden? I don't recall that in any news media. Please cite your source.
Washington -- President Bush declared Osama bin Laden all but vanquished yesterday, saying the al Qaeda leader -- dead or alive -- no longer poses a serious threat to America.
"We haven't heard from him in a long time," Bush told reporters at the White House. "I truly am not that concerned about him."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/03.15D.No.Threat.htm
Bush: 'Capturing Bin Laden Is Not A Top Priority'
Politics – Bush told Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes capturing bin Laden is "not a top priority use of American resources."
http://politics.netscape.com/story/2006/09/14/bush-capturing-bin-laden-is-not-a-top-priority
Bush 'Not Concerned' about Bin Laden in '02
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101504W.shtml
Does bin Laden matter anymore?In the Pentagon corridors, the 'evil-doer' is no longer the focus - even if most Americans think he's supposed to be.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0301/p01s02-usmi.html
here's a few for starters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I suggest maybe less blogging, more educating yourself !
Well I see the usual troll is back under a new name. Frosty do you think you are fooling anyone posting as Minnesota_Thomas. Same stupid troll games.
thomas, thomas, I keep telling you that you are sadly lacking in information! this was all news a couple years ago!
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Hi Pam, minnesota_thomas = frosty = troll
Same old noise.
I suggest maybe less blogging, more educating yourself !
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pam, I would suggest to Frosted Minnesota_Thomas
to get some new drugs to treat the schizophrenia. Clearly, the current drugs aren't working.
And with that, a good evening to all of the Dems!
So, are we ready to admit that there is no bipartisianship with Bush/Cheney who today said he would veto any changes to Medicare Part D.
There is only one choice:
Investigate
Indict
Impeach
rj,
unfortunetly, MN has produced TWO simpletons.
I remember Thomas and Martha Miller , two bloggers from a couple years ago, who came on with the same mis information, trying to tell us the MN Farmers Labor Party (DFL) was a nationwide group of Dems, and other wild and crazy stories. They never ever listen to reason, so to try and set them straight is a lost cause. Got to be the air in MN ! Although Dorsano and Lav both seem to be perfectly normal!
unfortunetly, MN has produced TWO simpletons.
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pam, matbe yes and maybe no. At any rate, seen one troll, seen them all!
Agenda for Shared Prosperity Launches Today
by Tula Connell, Jan 11, 2007
Seemed like after the Nov. 7 elections, “economic populist” lawmakers were everywhere in the media. But in fact, those who champion policies that lead to family-supportive jobs, affordable health care and secure retirement have been out-shouted by political leaders who see no problem with sending U.S. jobs overseas under the guise of “free”—but not fair—trade and who offer failed “stay-the-course” tax and foreign exchange policies.
Making sure more lawmakers understand what’s needed to make the American economy work for the middle class is critical as we move toward the 2008 elections. Today, progressive economists joined together to launch the Agenda for Shared Prosperity, a network backed by the nonprofit Economic Policy Institute (EPI) to address the growing gap between America’s promise and its problems. As EPI President Larry Mishel put it:
We challenge the pervasive conservative philosophy that Americans must rely solely on their own efforts.
http://blog.aflcio.org/2007/01/11/agenda-for-shared-prosperity-launches-today/
4..INCARCERATE!!
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dpd, I knew I missed the best one of all!
rj,
see what I mean? I show him a group of articles showing Bush saying Bin Laden of no importance, not a priority, not a focus, and he claims that's because he is just harder to find these days! LMAO!
How do you argue with a mentality like that? I am through acknowledging him. He is not worth anyone's time.
Bush completely gave up on Bin Laden and that's a fact. First, he said he doesn't think about Bin Laden too much. Then, he disbanded the team that was searching for Bin Laden.
Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 - never did amd never will no matter how much spinning the right wingers and their trolls do.
Pam, at least they aren't doing that MILES LONG "copy & paste" of CHAPTERS from a book that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed, like they used to do. (I told y'all I was lurking from DAY 1.
How do you argue with a mentality like that?
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pam, ignore the idiocy. It;s not worth the disk space.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 07:18 PM
Ahem...am I invisible?
dpd, everything you are saying about Bin Laden is true. These right wingers are full of crud. They listen to too much Hannity, Limbaugh and Savage. Right wing talk radio rots the brain.
Bush's Escalation Draws Anti-War Protests
by MissLaura
Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 03:28:28 PM PST
Before the US invaded Iraq, there were protests. Huge protests. Then they died down, and although some people have been out protesting regularly, and there have been a few widespread resurgences of public protest, there has been very little in the way of an organized and effective anti-war movement - even as public support for the war has plummeted.
But last night there were protests around the country. Few were large, but they were widespread: more than 200 in East Lansing, Michigan, nearly 60 in Glens Falls, New York, more than 300 in Santa Cruz, California, 115 in Lawrence, Kansas, hundreds in San Francisco and Manhattan, 35 in El Paso, Texas, 50 in La Crosse, Wisconsin, nearly 60 in Benicia, California.
The protests in San Francisco and New York City may not have been as big as they were before the war - Beyond Chron suggests
Four years ago, there was a sense of urgency. We wanted to stop the war before it started. Now it’s been four years – and many of these people have been protesting on a regular basis during this whole time. I’ve personally lost track of how many marches I’ve attended. Call it "outrage fatigue" – George Bush is such a monster that we no longer expect anything out of what will happen. And the crowd had little or no faith that the Democrats in Congress will do anything to stop him.
But protest was widespread, not a coastal phenomenon, not an urban phenomenon. And in New Hampshire, there was a direct contrast to be drawn between having Republican Jeb Bradley in Congress and having elected Democrat Carol Shea-Porter:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/12/175530/760
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We had a good one going right here in NJ Thursday. Filled four corners on a major intersection. Just getting warmed up for the big protest on January 27th in Wash, DC.
Investigate
Indict
Impeach
Incarcerate
Democrat Carol Shea-Porter:
Last May, six anti-war protesters were arrested for refusing to leave what was then Bradley's office.
Thursday, Shea-Porter's staff gave anti-war demonstrators hot apple cider. The group was demonstrating in support of Shea-Porter's anti-war position, which helped her unseat Bradley in November.
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Elect more people like Carol Shea-Porter in 2008! Kick the Puggies out for good.
rj, I ain't saying it. I just knew of what I speak, and Googled it. Some of those articles are from Japan, and other foreign sources, as opposed to FOX "News" and "NewsMax", so I guess the trollish types can jerk off all they want and they will NEVER lose their masturbation fantasied of W being a "manly man who talks to God, and God answers back". (Although God has NEVER spoken directly to ANY human, even Moses. God had to send an Angel to tell Mary that she was knocked up because just being in the presence of God's voice would melt mere humans to a puddle of quivering goo, JUST LIKE BUSH!!!!
As (I think) H.L.Mencken said (and I only use that name just so the wing-nuts will Google it and get an education) said, "When YOU talk to God it's called "praying"; when God talks back, it's called "mental illness".
"...in Lawrence, Kansas,..."
... and I posted earlier here, about 175 in Kansas City, MO. And I also wrote how the news media handled it.
Frustrating.
Alex Jones and infowars
Alex Jones is a radio host, political conspiracy theorist,[1] and filmmaker. He is best known for questioning the standard accounts of the September 11th terrorist attacks.
Jones runs a network of websites, whose main site is infowars.com. In April 2004, Jones debuted prisonplanet.tv. It provides access to his documentary films, radio interview archives, clips from his cable access television show, and to digital versions of books he has written. His affiliates run infowars.net and infowarsnetwork.com, a hosting service. Jones' also maintains jonesreport.com (a take on the Drudge Report).
Google infowars snopes. It seems that a lot of people posting stuff from infowars are being referred to snopes.
Looks like ahole is going to veto every bill the Democratic House passes.
bush and cheney must be arrested, sent to the Hague and tried for crimes against humanity.
I see this as the only solution to our present dilema. Besides, Nancy Pilosi would become President and this would really piss off the right-wing extremist, evangelical assholes.
Most of them need to be sent to the Hague to be tried for the same crimes against humanity.
minnesota_thomas writes:
Sure, I don’t agree with much of what is said here
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so, why blog here? Unless yout motive is to be a troll. We don't need you to look the word up for us - we know a troll when we see one.
Do you have anything positive to say? Something that isn't simply contradictory diatribe?
Otherwise, I am tuning you out.
Lieberman refuses to hold Bush accountable for Katrina
by kos
Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 07:51:10 AM PST
See, this is the problem with having a Republican in sheep's clothing heading up committees in our Democratic Congress.
Sen. Joe Lieberman, the only Democrat to endorse President Bush’s new plan for Iraq, has quietly backed away from his pre-election demands that the White House turn over potentially embarrassing documents relating to its handling of the Hurricane Katrina disaster in New Orleans.
Lieberman’s reversal underscores the new role that he is seeking to play in the Senate as the leading apostle of bipartisanship, especially on national-security issues. On Wednesday night, Bush conspicuously cited Lieberman’s advice as being the inspiration for creating a new “bipartisan working group” on Capitol Hill that he said will “help us come together across party lines to win the war on terror.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/12/10433/1664
Lieberman is a worm. There is way more wrong with him than just Iraq.
I missed Dean on Lardball. Lardball is disgusting. His next guest is Frank Luntz - a right wing lying propagandist like Luntz. What the heck is this obsession with the 2008 presidential election? It's a long long time until primaries yet this constant banter continues. How about concentrating on the problems in this country starting with Bush and Cheney.
rj,
I wonder how his admiring fan, Mary Landrieu of LA is feeling right about now? He basically is telling her and her state and New Orleans to screw themselves! And she stood up for him, when he was down! I cannot wait until every last Dem (Biden, Boxer, Landrieu, Nelson, Schumer, Reid, Obama) cries Foul against him, after standing up for him and refusing to support the Democratic Candidate the State of CT Dems wanted!
Repealing the AUMF
by Kagro X
Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 05:33:20 AM PST
The Authorization for the Use of Military Force. The AUMF. Lots of talk about repealing it, modifying it, or otherwise acting to limit the authority it's believed to have given the president. Some want to do it to block the escalation in Iraq. Some believe it'll tie his hands with respect to Iran. Others just want to do it because he's a maniac, and they want him to stop killing people in general.
So, can it be done?
Yes.
Will it be done?
Maybe. Probably not.
Will it stop the president?
No, it will not.
Here's why.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/12/10433/1664
The AUMF should be revoked nonetheless. The only thing that will stop Bush/Cheney is impeachment.
I wonder how his admiring fan, Mary Landrieu of LA is feeling right about now?
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pam, I hope that Louisianna comes up with a better candidate in a primary than Landrieu. She is another weak link.
Lieberman is a weasel through and through. But, I hardly have to tell you that. Ned had it right. Lieberman lied, lied and lied enough to get in.
Dearest Democrats and Pug Reich X-tains,
If shrub wins or is victorious with the plan,
1) What do the American people get?
2) What do we do in 6 months even if we win?
3) How do you define a win or victory?
The plan as it stands looks a lot like circular logic to me. It goes nowhere; it leads to many people who lead to the same starting point or nowhere. No goals, no mission, no executable strategy, 6 months from now everyone will ask the same question; "NOW WHAT?"
We're asking it today and getting a lot of circular logic!
Problem with the current plan of action;
A) Is shrub administration going to relinquish control of USA military force to Iraqi control? If this is truly an Iraqi plan and Iraqi general are controlling the events and we are in a support role, isn't that stating America will relinquish control of our solders and their lives to an Iraqi general and PM?
B) Then what?
c) What are the goals?
d) What is the mission?
e) What are the executable strategies?
f) Where are the matrixes to measure the accomplishments? I don't think pinning,” You are the biggest Idiot in the world on Rummy! Or you are the next biggest Idiot on Cheney!" constitute accomplishments. …and ripping off Trillion of dollars from the USA treasury constitute accomplishments.
New Mexico Legislature to get impeachment bill
by Kagro X
Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 12:49:00 PM PST
Many of you may remember the discussions we had last year about the concept of the "state-based" impeachment procedure, based on the notes in Jefferson's Manual, which indicate that impeachment proceedings may be initiated by the transmission of charges from a state legislature.
If not, a brief recap may be in order.
The transmission of charges from a state legislature must still be memorialized on the floor of the House by a Member. But if, acting on the instructions of his or her home state legislature, a Member of the House does in fact raise a direct proposition to impeach, the matter is highly privileged, "and at once supersedes business otherwise in order." It would, under the rules, be entitled to one hour of debate, after which it would be subject to a motion to table, or send to committee for further investigation (or, alternatively, death). But if the charges are carried to the floor by a Member of the House, impeachment is the order of the day. Or at least the hour.
Last year's discussion of the procedure led to the adoption of local resolutions in dozens of locations across the country, and ultimately the introduction of bills in the legislatures of four states: Illinois, California, Vermontand Minnesota (where it was introduced by then state-Rep., now Congressman, Keith Ellison).
For consideration of the political implications of bringing such a resolution to the floor, I refer you to the above-linked diary on the subject. At the moment, the focus needs to be on this:
State Senator Gerald Ortiz y Pino (D-Albuquerque), along with cosponsor John Grubesic (D-Santa Fe) will be introducing such an impeachment resolution when the 2007 session of the New Mexico Legislature convenes next week.
rj,
I am hoping to see Nelson of NE,and Landrieu, both replaced in 2008 with some real Democrats.
Here is the link that was supposed to go with my 6:59 above.
http://isthisoveryet.mydd.com/story/2007/1/2/194434/9353
see who is most vulnerable in both Repubs and Dems.
rjsnj,
That's very interesting! Start from the end and go to the beginning.
The impeachment cannot be completed without 2/3 ratification of the states. If the states ratify an impeachment by 2/3 of the electorial colleges that the senate and house only has to validate the impeachment for it to take hold.
Interesting!
rjsnj,
What are your thoughts about the individual states and Governors control of the National Guards?
My understanding is the National Guards are under the control of the Governors of the individual states. National Guards are paid for by the individual states for the protection of the individual states.
Questions:
1) What are the chances of the individual states recalling their National Guards back from duties overseas?
2) Since the National Guards are budgeted under each individual state they the state government can cancel the budgets for overseas duties and recall them home.
3) Since the National Guards are under state budget the local people within the community can launch referendums and legislation for special election votes to recall each state National Guards individually.
I would truly like to hear some comments on this idea. It is radical but this can show the people of each state give the president a vote of no confidence to lead our states National Guardsmen.
That's very interesting! Start from the end and go to the beginning.
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hybrid,
kagrox has ben writing about this a long time. I think he must be a constitutional professor or a lawyer. He/she has a real grasp of these issues.
If it works, let's go for it!
What are your thoughts about the individual states and Governors control of the National Guards?
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hybrid, I think that they are still under the Governor's control. That's another way to attack this - the Governor's can call the guard home.
There is a wrinkle. Bush passed some sort of signing statement that puts the guard under his control in times of emergency like Katrina. But, it doesn't give him the right ti use them overseas.
It;s definitely time to challenge all of the so-called "powers" Bush has claimed.
I would truly like to hear some comments on this idea. It is radical but this can show the people of each state give the president a vote of no confidence to lead our states National Guardsmen.
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hybrid, are your questions really any more radical than using the National Guard overseas? There is a reason why they are called the National Guard. This is definitely a line of attack.
As in the Vietnam era, we have to pursue all the angles simultaneously - protest, cutting off the federal money, troops refusing to serve, slowdowns, counter-recruitment, legislation, impeachment, revoking the war powers act (if any), etc...
Ultimately, there may be no other choice with these SOB's Bush/Cheney other than impeachment.
rjsnj,
If the Congress is to afraid to act against a standing president during times of war; then the people’s love their solders are willing to stand up against their own government to perform the legal task of bringing our men and women home!!!
These men and women are not for this crazy messianic megalomaniac to give away to any foreign government’s control. Their lives belong to our nation and are not for rent or to be given away to foreign government’s control.
Cut the crapola, flow-be, I listed SEVERAL links refuting YOUR FALSE CLAIM that Clinton "let bin Laden go after Sudan offered to turn him over", and YOU haven't even acknowleged the posts.
Cry me a river, and then drown in it, you trollish pos.
What Westerners think about Muslims and what Muslims think about Westerners
From Islam Online
CAIRO — While many in the West see Muslims as fanatical, violent, and intolerant and Muslims generally view Westerners as selfish, immoral and greedy, European Muslims seem to represent the middle ground between the two extremes, according to a new global poll.
Posted by DPD on January 12, 2007 at 08:36 PM I listed SEVERAL links refuting YOUR FALSE CLAIM that Clinton "let bin Laden go after Sudan offered to turn him over"
It feeds off of conspiracy theorist blogs it seems - It could be an anti-government, xenophobic moonbat that smokes pot.
In which case it would have ignored your post.
Their lives belong to our nation and are not for rent or to be given away to foreign government’s control.
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Very true! Bush/Cheney are abusing the troops and with this escalation they are about to be abused even worse! I sense a "Sir No Sir" scenario coming on where troops will routinely refuse orders. We need to support them by protesting this Iraq occupation.
Waist Deep in the Big Muddy
By Greg Palast
GregPalast.com
Thursday 11 January 2007
George W. Bush has an urge to surge. Like every junkie, he asks for just one more fix: let him inject just 21,000 more troops and that will win the war.
Been there. Done that. In 1965, Tom Paxton sang,
Lyndon Johnson told the nation
Have no fear of escalation.
I am trying everyone to please.
Though it isn't really war,
We're sending 50,000 more
To help save Vietnam from the Vietnamese.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011207E.shtml
Waste Deep in Big Muddy and the big fool says to move on.
Hey hello,
Posted by rjsnj on January 12, 2007 at 08:00 PM
rjs, this link wasn't it. Could you please give it?
I thought congress could repeal the authorization to use force and all the commander's war powers would stop.
Rising Regional Anger: Middle East Shaking Its Head
By Megan K. Stack and Ken Ellingwood
The Los Angeles Times
Friday 12 January 2007
Bush sees a regional solution in his plan for Iraq. But Arab states say the problem is the US.
Cairo - In ordering more American troops into Iraq, President Bush said he was sending a message of hope to millions of Arabs and Afghans trapped in violence. But to many on the ground in the Mideast, the speech spoke volumes of a gaping disconnect between high-flown U.S. promises and a deadly, turbulent reality.
After long years of war and political disillusionment, Bush would have been hard-pressed to come up with any message that would please the Arab world. Analysts say public opinion of the United States has sunk to an unprecedented low, with no end in sight to the bloodletting in Iraq or the Palestinian territories.
Many here, long mired in bloodshed and sinking deeper into sectarian tensions, hold America squarely to blame for both.
Rather than sowing political progress, they say, the U.S. presence in Iraq has poisoned the mood so thoroughly that secular and moderate activists now stay silent for fear of being tarred as American agents.
"What the United States did for the region is destruction for the forces who believe in democracy, rule of law and human rights," said Raji Sourani, director of the Palestinian Center for Human Rights in Gaza City. "We are the real victims."
The Bush administration has repeatedly portrayed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq as a boost, albeit a painful one, for Arab democracy and human rights. Victory in Baghdad will bring a brighter era to the entire region, U.S. officials have promised.
But after waves of outrage over torture in the Abu Ghraib prison, the spectacle of Saddam Hussein's trial and execution, and sectarian slaughter in the streets of Baghdad, few people here seem able to articulate what, exactly, the United States is even trying to accomplish.
"The U.S. should pull out its troops from Iraq because innocent people are dying every day, including U.S. soldiers," said Karim Salhab, a 25-year-old accountant in Beirut. "I don't think it's fair for the families of these soldiers that their kids die for nothing."
Bush's Plan for Iraq Runs Into Opposition in Congress
By Thom Shanker and David S. Cloud
The New York Times
Friday 12 January 2007
Washington - President Bush's call to increase the American military commitment in Iraq ran into intense Congressional opposition Thursday from Democrats and from moderate Republicans who expressed profound skepticism.
A day after the president set out a new strategy for bringing stability to Iraq, the White House found few allies on either side of the aisle when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The reception she received suggested that Mr. Bush's prime-time address to the nation on Wednesday had done little to build political support for sending additional troops to Baghdad.
"I think what occurred here today was fairly profound, in the sense that you heard 21 members, with one or two notable exceptions, expressing outright hostility, disagreement and or overwhelming concern with the president's proposal," the committee's new Democratic chairman, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, said at the conclusion of Ms. Rice's testimony.
I thought congress could repeal the authorization to use force and all the commander's war powers would stop.
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tom,
try this link:
An Israeli assault on Iran could put the region's remaining pro-American dictators in jeopardy, too. In Pakistan, for instance, Islamic militants with ties to al-Qaeda have been gaining strength and might try to overthrow Gen. Pervez Musharraf, conceivably giving Islamic terrorists control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.
For some U.S. foreign policy experts, this potential for disaster from a U.S.-backed Israeli air strike on Iran is so terrifying that they ultimately don't believe Bush and Olmert would dare implement such the plan.
But Bush's actions in the past two months - reaffirming his determination to achieve "victory" in Iraq - suggest that he wants nothing of the "graceful exit" that might come from a de-escalation of the war.
www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0701/S00098.htm
-this from the Robert Parry article posted last night by davidual.
But Bush's actions in the past two months - reaffirming his determination to achieve "victory" in Iraq - suggest that he wants nothing of the "graceful exit" that might come from a de-escalation of the war.
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Bush is definitely itching to start a war with Iran.
When I first posted something here I was immediately called a troll. Not being familiar with blogging and it’s terms I looked up the term and found it means someone who floods blogs in inane meaningless thought bearing no real resemblance to discussions underway.
I don’t believe that label appiles. Sure, I don’t agree with much of what is said here; it appears the only people you welcome here are those of like mind. As soon as I posted questions and observations that might have indicated I just could have an opposing view… out came the troll label.
Posted by Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 07:42 PM
minnesota_thomas writes:
Sure, I don’t agree with much of what is said here
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so, why blog here? Unless yout motive is to be a troll. We don't need you to look the word up for us - we know a troll when we see one.
Do you have anything positive to say? Something that isn't simply contradictory diatribe?
Otherwise, I am tuning you out.
Posted by rjsnj on January 12, 2007 at 07:50 PM
Whether this is a troll or not is not the issue. The unwritten rule on this site is one must pretty much agree and march lockstep with the general thought train. I can say this with accuracy because I've been posting here for 2 years.
If one has a differing view or presents an issue that's not in the pre-ordained focus of discussion then they are labeled or just plain shut out. I have seen many sincere posters come and go because of this treatment.
Just because someone doesn't say something positive is no reason that they should not post on this site. What is and isn't positive is in the eye of the beholder and it's no one's place to say whether it is or isn't. I personally happen to comment on race related issues with frankness and openess of which many do not care to read or see posted. But it's not for anyone to say whether they are positive or not or make comments such as, I view everything through a racial prism. Those issues are important to me and I can air them just as much those discussing the War in Iraq and the Bush administration.
This is the site of a major political party and is open to all views as long as they are not launched as personal attacks upon the posters. If a view is opposite of what is being discussed then don't comment on the post. But I don't see the correctness in stating that someone shouldn't post because they don't have anything "positive" to say. To me as a poster it's offensive.
The trolls are engaged in circular BS that goes no where; just like shrub, birds of the same feathers flock together.
On Aussie beaches, burqa plus bikini equals burqini
Loose enough to preserve Muslim modesty, but light enough to enable swimming, the burqini, taking its name from the burqa, is at the forefront of a dramatic shift within Australia's iconic surf lifesaving clubs.
No longer wanting to be associated only with bronzed, blue-eyed action men, Surf Life Saving Australia is attempting to better reflect the country's multicultural mix.
Ms. Laalaa is one of 24 young people of Arab descent who signed up for a 10-week surf lifesaving-training course.
good evening troll watchers
just a quick drive by
this is a reminder of the policy. yes, free speech and all that...but do not engage a troll. we've seen the links, we know the signs.
ice cream will be passed out by the greggster to those who abide by the official policy, which requires tremendous self-control.
for those who need an opportunity to vent one's rage, anger or general dissatisfaction with current events, do so and do without the iced treats.
sometimes, saturday detention is worth it.
fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 09:18 PM,
Yeah, well, I rarely ever engage, and I never get the ice cream, so what'supwith that? :(
bbl!!
Posted by Esmeralda on January 12, 2007 at 12:21 PM One this question, I agree with you. Yes & yes.
But would he have called it a Crusade?
Europe cringes at Bush 'crusade' against terrorists
PARIS - As Europeans wait to see how the United States is planning to retaliate for last week's attacks on Washington and New York, there is growing anxiety here about the tone of American war rhetoric.
President Bush's reference to a "crusade" against terrorism, which passed almost unnoticed by Americans, rang alarm bells in Europe. It raised fears that the terrorist attacks could spark a 'clash of civilizations' between Christians and Muslims, sowing fresh winds of hatred and mistrust.
"We have to avoid a clash of civilizations at all costs," French foreign minister Hubert Vedrine said on Sunday. "One has to avoid falling into this huge trap, this monstrous trap" which he said had been "conceived by the instigators of the assault."
Freedom Fries for all!!!!
david,
if this is little tommy's first gig blogging, as he claims, i'll give you my ice cream.
it requires imagination...and i'm sorry about how close to home that one hit.
it changes things, doesn't it? when my cousin's kid died, i really lost patience with all the lies.
Posted by davidual on January 12, 2007 at 09:24 PM I never get the ice cream, so what'supwith that?
Neither do I. That's cause Greg eats it all before anyone else can get to it. That's why he has to do so much "cardio".
good evening troll watchers
just a quick drive by
this is a reminder of the policy. yes, free speech and all that...but do not engage a troll. we've seen the links, we know the signs.
ice cream will be passed out by the greggster to those who abide by the official policy, which requires tremendous self-control.
for those who need an opportunity to vent one's rage, anger or general dissatisfaction with current events, do so and do without the iced treats.
sometimes, saturday detention is worth it.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 09:18 PM
So what are you saying here? That if someone wants to vent or express a viewpoint that is not agreeable to the troll patrol then they are looked upon with dissatisfaction?
I'm hoping that you are saying this in jest? Because anything is sounding restrictive?
Sad, very sad.
dorsano,
that's from Sept 19,2001
and your burka bikini story has me confused...what are you saying?j
do you poist that this is a religious war?
Christian Science Monitor pointed out that it was not, even back then in the heat of the emotion..
where are you leading us, man?
j,
we had a "Hammer the Troll" icon on the sidebar years ago, when Jesse moderated the blog. the policy was if you engage the troll, you donate ten bucks to the Kerry campaign.
i'm not going into detail on what a troll is, does or how it is defined. that's been done ad nauseum.
we have regulars who find discussion with the troll(s) enjoyable.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 09:34 PM and your burka bikini story has me confused...what are you saying?
I'm not sure how to respond, Fade. The Aussie's are not fighting a religious war.
I personally don't care what anyone is wearing when they pull me out of the surf to save me from drowning.
Just because someone doesn't say something positive is no reason that they should not post on this site.
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j,
minnesota_thomas can say whatever he/she wants to say. It's a free speech web site. That doesn;t mean I need to pay attention to he/she.
As far as rules for the site goes, give me a break! There are no rules on this web site, there never have been any rules. There is no moderator enforcing any rules. So, why bring that up?
Manno, we sure are a testy bunch on this site tonight. Bush must bring out the "best" in us.
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 09:29 PM
if you didn't hog the freedom fries, he might share. you two might be in thinking chairs tomorrow.
Thomas and Frosty are one and the same. Shut the troll down.
we had a "Hammer the Troll" icon on the sidebar years ago, when Jesse moderated the blog. the policy was if you engage the troll, you donate ten bucks to the Kerry campaign.
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fade, them's was the days! But, you said the key word - a moderator. That was back in the days when there actually was someone moderating the blog. That hasn't been true for at least two years. So, quite honestly anyone who claims that they are making rules for the blog is just making their own rules.
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 09:41 PM
i was referring to the CSM story from 2001...
Hello to All,
I am very interested to get feed back on two issues that were raised today.
1) Reverse impeachment process, start from the end with the people and the states ratifying the impeachment. If 2/3 of the states ratify the impeachment then all congress has to do is sign on.
2) Have the people of the states start legislation or referendum to recall the National Guardsmen from overseas duties.
I would like to have people voice their opinions on these two subjects. These are truly two issues that can start from the grassroots.
rj & marine,
they go away when ignored. they love emotional reactions, especially pain.
that's why they piss me off.
i'm listening to malloy and loving it!
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 09:34 PM dorsano, that's from Sept 19,2001
Yep, Esme was responding to a hypothetical regarding our decision to take out the Taliban government and destory the al-Quaeda safe havens they provided.
By the way, if I think that someone is capriciously attacking me or one of my fellow bloggers who I known for a long time such as pamb, I have the right to say that I think they are a troll. Big deal! It's not like accusing someone of trolling ever shuts them up.
It's definitely time to move on with this sort of debate. Maybe one day we'll have troll ratings like Daily Kos and this nonsense will stop.
In the meantime, by all means, fight for the free speech even for the trolls.
they go away when ignored. they love emotional reactions, especially pain.
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They also luv when we fight with each other - especially over protecting their right to troll this blog. Only Democrats would fight for someone's right to say something that absolutely hate. That's what makes us different. But it takes lots of patience sometimes ...
rj,
it's common practice to "ignore the trolls"...here's the google page
and my friend david doesn't need anyone tossing him sh*tballs...he's got enough on his plate. i'm proud of david, respect how hard he works and strives to give his kid a good life and am just kinda takin' up for him because he's a blogger bud of mine from way back and that @sshole was trolling him.
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 09:47 PM
oh, did we do that?
Con-U.S.A-Rice and Crouch struck a nerve with me last night. I watched the news and they kept repeating this is an Iraqi plan and Iraqi generals are going to run the show with American military in the support role. I do not like that senario at all, I do not want our men and women in military under foreign control.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 09:43 PM you two might be in thinking chairs tomorrow.
Yikes!!! I suppose that means that I have to think then. Can Greg and I just do an extra credit project, maybe er, um, LOOK FOR THE MCNAUGHT COMET! We'll go comet watching and Greg will turn in a report.
Thomas and Frosty are one and the same. Shut the troll down.
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marine, probably! It;s a typical pattern that he follows - bouncing back and forth between userids. Meanwhile, he even manages to get some people upset that we are calling him a troll and not allowing free speech. Okay whatever ... it;s not as if we can ban him from the blog. So, big deal.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 09:52 PM oh, did we do that?
:)
That was the stated plan.
Israel braced for action
By Harvey Morris in Jerusalem
In recent weeks Israel’s leaders have been bombarded with increasingly doom-laden scenarios about Iran’s progress towards producing a nuclear bomb, a threat that might push them towards unilateral military action if diplomacy fails.
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Others suggest the time for diplomacy may already be over and that Israel and its allies should be preparing to strike. “Instead of allotting several months for diplomatic activity and preparing for a military strike on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, the world continues to talk nonsense and play with illusions regarding the success of moderating diplomatic moves,” Oded Tira, the army’s former head of artillery, wrote recently.
He said President George W. Bush lacked the political power to attack Iran and suggested Israel should concentrate on lobbying his opponents in the Democratic party. “We must clandestinely co-operate with Saudi Arabia so that it also persuades the US to strike Iran,” he added.
www.ft.com/cms/s/b7e2e0c6-a284-11db-a187-0000779e2340.html
Hey, guys and gals,
Notice how you've gone circular with your arguments and ended at the same place you started.
Trolls circular BS.
I coined it C-WOT & WOM. "Congressional Waste of Time and Waste of Money". That's what I feel about the state of Iraqi war and the BS comming from the reich pug talking heads.
6 months from today, you will be asking the same question,"What now!?!?!".
Does not matter if they win or lose; 6 months from the day they increase the troops, we will be asking,"What do we do now?!?!?"
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 09:54 PM
ah! you two will be looking for rain puddles, patent leather shoes and will take your pocket mirrors out to find "comets", doncha know?
how do you think DPD became the expert in grammar?
Hello fade, glad to catch you. Have you see the film Who Killed the Electric Car?
Wow, almost the same story as Who Killed America, or even Who Killed the Stable Climate.
Posted by rjsnj on January 12, 2007 at 09:56 PM Okay whatever
You're a good guy - or gal - I'm not sure which - not that you sound overly "guy-like" or "girl like" - or sex-less - I like your posts - and I think all the regulars here do too - don't sweat it, rjsnj.
i'm proud of david, respect how hard he works and strives to give his kid a good life and am just kinda takin' up for him because he's a blogger bud of mine from way back and that @sshole was trolling him.
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fade, he was doing the same to pamb. This is to be expected that if someone comes into the blog and attacks people you have been conversing with for a long time - in some cases years - you are going to take exception to their attacks. Given that there is no moderator, it's just what's going to naturally occur.
In general, you are right that trolls are best ignored.. And yes you can recognize trolling - it's these needling contradictory statements that have no facts to back them. In some cases, they are just sliming statements made about various people or stereotypes.
I don;t mind genuine disagreement. But I think that anyone who has blogged awhile can recognize the difference between principled disagreement and trolling.
But, enough of this! You see how trolls throw off a blog.
I like your posts - and I think all the regulars here do too - don't sweat it, rjsnj.
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Thx Dorsano.
Talking about that comet it is huge!
It can be seen at dusk with the reflected sun light! That darn comet is bright!
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 10:00 PM and will take your pocket mirrors out to find "comets"
You wanna come with?
Hi Ho, Tom
was that judy miller wearing dark glasses leaking that intl?
did you hear the story about the "anthrax guy" whose reputation was damaged but never charged with any crime? looks like NYT was in the thick of it, again, this time with Kristol
rjsnj, you broke down what it means to be a troll very well. I don't think that I have ever seen the feeling we get when these types comes along expressed as well connected to the very real behaviors exhibited.
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 10:05 PM
yeah, we can go to Tom's to shoot pool in his basement
By the way, how is Goodfoe doing? I haven't been around enough lately to see for myself.
Check this out, I think that ultimately the Abramoff investigation is going to take us right into the WH. This may be the sleeper reason for impeaching Bush:
The pending Griles indictment: It's bigger than you think
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/12/9643/93313
At the very least, this leads into the Bush administration cabinet ... namely Gale Norton who quite conveniently already resigned.
You see how trolls throw off a blog.
Posted by rjsnj on January 12, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Said well! i love your posts. let's remember to send much love to David's son Monday. then WE win!
on another note, the judge that dismissed the case i mentioned earlier was appointed by Raygun, involved in the IranContra "dismissal" of Fernandez and was promoted by the bush misadministration. shocking, huh?
So, on a totally different topic.
Which game will you be watching?
Colts vs Ravens, Saturday 4:30 pm ET on CBS
Eagles vs Saints, Saturday 8:00 pm ET Fox
Seattle vs Bears, Sunday 1:00 pm ET Fox
Patriots vs Chargers, Sunday 4:30 pm ET on CBS
Posted by PamB on January 12, 2007 at 12:20 PM in fact you and Dors remain the voices of sanity from there
That's not what you said to me in your email when I asked you to meet me and Greg on the pier tonight to look for comets.
Posted by Marine on January 12, 2007 at 10:12 PM
JohnBoy posted earlier and was fine. I'm about halfway through his book. It's excellent!
i like that expression: "sniff, sniff...smells like ________"
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 10:18 PM
you know it took some restraint not to go with that one
"Beginning this moment, this Nation will never again use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade-a saving of over 4.5 million barrels of imported oil per day."
President Jimmy Carter, "Crisis of Confidence" speech,
July 15, 1979
www.net.org/proactive/newsroom/release.vtml?id=27583
This is why automakers and oilpumpers jammed Ronald Reagan into office. The same thing happened in 2000 with the Gore energy-change scare.
How about that "Roadmap" agreed upon in 2003? It still hasn't been implemented and looks as though it never will be. Personally, I think this goes to show just how little George Bush is concerned with Middle East conflict. If he were concerned with preventing more of it, then he would not have shown support for one group of Palestinians and pledged support for that group should it be able to take power from another. The damn idiot has started yet another war in the Middle East.
By the way, how is Goodfoe doing?
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marine, I haven't seen goodfoe posting of late.
Posted by TomN on January 12, 2007 at 10:01 PM
it's the usual suspects, again...i haven't seen it but i've heard about it.
i'm behind on my movie watching and reading. it's been a busy month.
i'm concerned about this escalation and talk of nukes in Iran ...Syria. oye... hideous!
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 10:16 PM let's remember to send much love to David's son Monday.
Thanks for reminding me. I hope you both have a great day.
You are going to buy him a real birthday present though I hope. It's not enough to tell him that Nancy Pelosi runs the U.S. House. He will appreciate that in due time as most of America already does, but get him something else to go along with it. :)
Which game will you be watching?
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Hopefully, all of them if I can find the time. Definitely want to see Pats vs Chargers ... that should be a real good one.
I don't know that I could handle a book like that. I've seen a few family members and friends go down that road so it is all the more difficult to know the details. I'm happy that they wrote it though because the information definetly needs to be out there.
Posted by fade2bluz on January 12, 2007 at 10:19 PM you know it took some restraint not to go with that one
:)
OK - time for me to get outta here before I get sent to Confession.
cya'll later, aligators.
Posted by goodfoe on January 12, 2007 at 02:33 PM
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Ahhh, I didn't go back that far in the blog.
Marine,
They have been telling us the boarders are porous in Afganistan and Iraq. Nothing has been done. It's still porous.
If actions represented the goals and mission then the end goal and mission of this president and his men were to engage a neverending regional war.
Posted by TomN on January 12, 2007 at 10:19 PM
A ONE TON pickup get a 90% write-off...these filthy pigs are encouraging gas guzzling...the war is about control over the oil and so is every policy this vile misadministration implemented.
i hope he is removed from office, legally and peacefully
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 10:26 PM
yeah, when you get put out for snoring too loudly! see ya later, my tolerant friend. i'll say a few Our Fathers for my impudence.
Posted by Marine on January 12, 2007 at 10:25 PM
the book is excellent, with some very practical advice. there are some graphic photos. i closed my eyes and put a paper clip on 'em. i'm too wimpy for that.
i snuck a peek and read the end first, like i often do. the section on God is beautiful. and so is JohnBoy for sharing his experience to help someone else along the way.
he'll probably wake up from his nap soon
You know, treating entire nations full of individuals is not conducive to bringing about a more peaceful environment anyplace. This is Bush's intent is it not or at least what he has said his intent is, to free the Middle East from instability. I'm sorry but these guys have done nothing but destabilize the region for all their lofty goals.
A posting earlier today listing all of the terrorists attacks committed and their increased frequency since George Bush put his plans into action captured this failure quite dramatically.
Posted by Veneita on January 12, 2007 at 10:40 AM
i'm behind on my movie watching and reading.
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Ain't we all. This whodunnit though is really amazing, and quite entertaining, lots of star cameos.
I've been converting a 1970 Saab Sonnet to electric with major help from my super mechanical friend. The batteries have been the big problem, I've been waiting and checking for years, and they still aren't here. Getting closer and closer...
I got my solar panels up last spring to power it, but it still looks like many months still to go.
And I knew or guessed most of the murderous activities of the usual suspects, but these guys really did a rolling thunder with this movie.
Can you tell that I have been working a lot lately? I can't form literate sentences.
That last post should have began with, "You know, treating entire nations full of individuals as an enemy is not coducive..."
Protests from the the Twin Cities:
http://twincities.indymedia.org/newswire/display/29311/index.php
War Surge May Face Anti-War Surge
By Frank James
The Chicago Tribune
Thursday 11 January 2007
It's starting to feel like President Bush's Iraq speech last night may have proved the last straw, providing a critical boost to the anti-Iraq war movement in the U.S.
There was a press conference here today at which opponents of continued U.S. presence in Iraq and the president's planned increase in U.S. troop levels there unveiled plans for protests, starting tonight, to raise pressure on Congress to block funding for increased U.S. military activities in Iraq.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011207C.shtml
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I think this is true. Based on the Thursday rally I attended, it was larger than anything I seen in the past in this area. It was a cold weekday night and yet it drew lots of people and support from vehicles going by.
Now, if we could just get more young people involved. They stand to lose the most from this criminal Bush admin. Their future is being squandered with this reckless spending.
And another thing. George Bush had changed the way we do business in the Middle East before the attacks of September 11, 2001. His approach was as it is now and more than likely sparked the attacks that we will never forget. This fact was well glossed over by those who simply placed all the blame on Clinton, as though he could have stopped something from happening that occured on another president's watch. The reality of this matter is that organizations such as these have their tentacles outstretched at all times and are constantly training operatives for attacks such as 9/11 but require the proper motivation to bring them to fruition. These particular men received their motivation straight from George Bush's Middle East policy.
Malloy talking about Tony the Snow Man ...
This Tony Snow Job is an even bigger liar than the last rat press secretary.
rj,
he's on tonight, that's for sure! i love malloy--he's the best commentator...channels my rage so well.
i was lost when he was temporarily off the air.
did you hear that crap from Tony Snow? none of this could have happened without extreme ignorance and apathy from the American people, though.
the MN protests were exceptionally good. you still begged the question on your gender. i agree with dors that you haven't left too many clues.
did you hear that crap from Tony Snow? none of this could have happened without extreme ignorance and apathy from the American people, though.
the MN protests were exceptionally good. you still begged the question on your gender. i agree with dors that you haven't left too many clues.
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fade, Tony Snow is a rat. Malloy is great. I can't understand why Air America dropped him.
To answer, your question - male. I apply civil libertarian principles to gender. Therefore, I am pro choice and pro gay marraige. I don't discuss those issues much because I think it's quite obvious that people should be allowed to be what they are.
Politics in the Service of War
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Columnist
Friday 12 January 2007
It was the famous Prussian strategist Carl von Clausewitz, in his analysis of the aftermath of the Napoleonic wars, who wrote that war is "a continuation of politics by other means." This is a line that many have heard, and have mistakenly used as a justification for militarism in all its forms. Those who use this line, however, almost always fail to use the line that follows: "The political objective is the goal, war is the means of reaching it, and means can never be considered in isolation from their purposes."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011207J.shtml
William Rivers Pitt is a darn good writer.
TomN,
I was watching Monster Garage sometime ago and saw them build a car using battery from electric drills. The converted car pulled a 12 or 13 second 1/4 mile at over 100 MPH. That performance is equal to the acceleration by a new Corvette!
Batteries are getting better, less hysterisis during charge cycles, lower inductance and resistance therefore less heating during high amp discharges. Some people and companies were thinking about fuel cells powered by methane or butane, but the problem continue to be the cost of platinum metal. The platinum is too expensive.
...Had to inject my 2 cents worth.
Thank you too all, Keep up the great work!
Good night!
said well, again, rj.
Malloy and Kathy discussed it quite a bit. Seems like there are a bunch of bankruptcy lawyers and the RealNetworks guy running the show now. Didn't have anything to do with content. Profit.
Drobney's are committed to the cause of progressive radio, though. I blog there at AAR sometimes, since Schubert is there. It's a nice crowd, but this still feels like home.
Only this lying POS would hire a faux news liar as a press secretary. they've made a mockery of the whole process. and condi's comments were outlandish...i love my fox guys. ugh!
the people i work with are very conservative...in their sixties and get their news from t.v.
they were so thrilled with Hagel grilling the Condiliar that they gloated about it all day. Ariana Huffington wrote a column that appeared in the local paper and that got rave reviews from them, too. so even the older, more restrained folks are ranting and raving.
Hybrid,
wish i knew more about mechanical stuff. have a wonderful weekend.
goodnight
they were so thrilled with Hagel grilling the Condiliar that they gloated about it all day. Ariana Huffington wrote a column that appeared in the local paper and that got rave reviews from them, too. so even the older, more restrained folks are ranting and raving.
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fade, I noticed that as well. I am gard pressed to find someone who actually admits to supporting the Chimp ... even less so, the Chimp's Iraq debacle.
Shame about Air America. I hope they get their act together. If you hunt around enough, there are plenty of liberal talk radio shows just not one network devoted to liberal talk radio. That was the concept behind AAR. I hope they don't get bail out on it.
fade, I was reading JT Jr when everyone took it for granted she was male. The stories got too sad, though, she was cia with a conscience.
James Tiptree, Jr. (August 24, 1915 – May 19, 1987) was the pen name of American science fiction author Alice Bradley Sheldon, used from 1967 to her death. She also occasionally wrote under the pseudonym Raccoona Sheldon (1974–77). Tiptree/Sheldon was most notable for breaking down the barriers between writing perceived as inherently "male" or "female" — it was not publicly known until 1977 that James Tiptree, Jr. was a woman.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tiptree,_Jr
So Long, (Shalom)
Shalom, Tom
great linkage tonight, as usual. it's nice to read the good stuff you dig up.
minnesota_thomas:
Reasonably expected discussion protocol on a site purporting to be representative of a major political party.
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I hate to disappoint you but we are NOT representatives of the Democratic Party.
rj,
in St. Louis they play Imus and Boortz in the morning...then Al Franken and Randi Rhodes in the afternoon.
i think eventually the talent will contract their shows out the way Thom Hartman does.
Hartman is really brilliant, as is Rachael Maddow. i like Same Sedar, too. Al and Randi are okay, but not my favorites. Mike Malloy is the one that resonates with my innards.
well, DPD is still tryin' to get the bongwater stain out of the carpet and gregg is howling at the moon with the pooch...who's training who?
or is it whom?
goodnight, truthseekers.
keep it lit~
in St. Louis they play Imus and Boortz in the morning..
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gag ... Boortz is awful. Imus is boring.
Yep, I really like Hartman, Maddow and Sedar.
I agree with you 100% that Malloy is the best. I just need someone that articulates the populist rage.
Posted by rjsnj on January 12, 2007 at 11:23 PM but we are NOT representatives of the Democratic Party.
Actually I am a representive of the Democratic Party. I knock on doors in MN, invite people over to my house, talk to them at neighborhood functions,
and explain to them what the Democratic Party in Minnesota is all about.
We usually have a good time. It's a great state. We elect gay Republicans, Jews, Muslims, and all sorts of people.
Governors Lose in Power Struggle Over National Guard
By Kavan Peterson
Stateline
Friday 12 January 2007
A little-noticed change in federal law packs an important change in who is in charge the next time a state is devastated by a disaster such as Hurricane Katrina.
To the dismay of the nation's governors, the White House now will be empowered to go over a governor's head and call up National Guard troops to aid a state in time of natural disasters or other public emergencies. Up to now, governors were the sole commanders in chief of citizen soldiers in local Guard units during emergencies within the state.
A conflict over who should control Guard units arose in the days after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. President Bush sought to federalize control of Guardsmen in Louisiana in the chaos after the hurricane, but Gov. Kathleen Blanco (D) refused to relinquish command.
Over objections from all 50 governors, Congress in October tweaked the 200-year-old Insurrection Act to empower the hand of the president in future stateside emergencies. In a letter to Congress, the governors called the change "a dramatic expansion of federal authority during natural disasters that could cause confusion in the command-and-control of the National Guard and interfere with states' ability to respond to natural disasters within their borders."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011207B.shtml
hybrid asked about this earlier. Bush has muddied the waters as usual.
Hmmmm... interesting and revealing actally. So if a person is interested in finding out more about the democratic party, a long-standing organization representing roughly half of the nations voting public, and this person goes onto the internet and searches for the "democratic party" and gets this site... "NOT representatives of the Democratic Party
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hey minnesota, do you think the elected representatives of the Democratic Party are on this blog waiting for your every word? You're not that delusional? Or are you? So, what blog does the Republican party provide? Please post a URL.
Hmmm... interesting. So you've highjacked the name and logo and instead of being a legimate site repreprsenting the organization you are instead a gripe group?
Does your party approve of it's worldwide internet face?
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minnesota, you are a useless troll. Get out of my face idiot.
fade2bluz,
Only kidding about the i.c. you know that I'm sure. Have a good rest.
MN_Tom,
When you immediately come out and accuse someone, anyone, of "having a short fuse" you open yourself to the troll label, and are easily compared to the one I mentioned. In the future, instead of slapping one down for exposing weaknesses to your post re-examine your post. You cannot pass blame on a Democratic president without looking at what the republican administrations did or did not do to help avert terrorism in the Middle East.
In fact, out of the past forty years there have been only 12 years of Democratic administrations. The Carter administration helped to generate a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt.
What have the Republican administrations done to seek peace in the Middle East?
To all,
Have a good night!!:)
RJSNJ,
No way! I had to come back on-line when I saw your posting. These pug reich have been on a tear to break down the oldest laws on the books to destroy the modern laws.
People continue to forget, American law is based on precedence. When the original law that granted the rights is removed from the books all new laws that sight the oldest ruling are invalidated.
The face of the GOP Enters the Twilight of His Career
WASHINGTON - One by one, the hardline conservatives like Donald H. Rumsfeld and John Bolton who stood shoulder to shoulder with Vice President Dick Cheney in pushing President Bush's decision to invade Iraq have left the administration.
Yet while Cheney himself is in the twilight days of his political career, he's still there, with little evidence that his influence with Bush has waned.
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Once viewed as adding an air of gravitas to an inexperienced president, Cheney, 64, is now seen by many Americans as a driving force behind Bush's most divisive initiatives: the Iraq war, the National Security Agency's warrantless eavesdropping program, harsh detention and interrogation policies and an aggressive push for expanded executive authority.
Bad as Bush's poll numbers are, Cheney's are worse. And while he's still beloved by conservatives, it seems unlikely he will be a big draw on the 2008 campaign circuit.
None of that seems to matter to Bush.
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What's big deal in trashing a political party if you've already trashed the greatest country in the world?
What have the Republican administrations done to seek peace in the Middle East?
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david, absolutely nothing. But why argue with a useless twit such as minnesota_tom (or is it frosty the snowman?). This delusional troll thinks he is blogging with Howard Dean and/or official representatives of the Democratic party.
Hey minnesota, if you hate this blog so much, why have you been hanging out since this afternoon?
Me thinks you simply intend to troll the blog and attenpt to aggravate the people on it.
dorsano, tell me, how do you explain this site and especially the things said on this blog to potential joiners of the party. This is the face of your party?
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Hey minnesota please stick with the Republican party!
No way! I had to come back on-line when I saw your posting. These pug reich have been on a tear to break down the oldest laws on the books to destroy the modern laws.
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Bush very quietly passed this bill. It's close to revoking Posse Comitatus. By the way, he has been pushing for overturning Posse Comitatus for quite some time using a variety of excuses including a "bird flu" epidemic. The man is a dictator. Only foolish right wingers and their trolls support this authoritarian garbage.
No wonder the pug reich have been stating the president have lots of power because of the war powers act, these morons removed all checks and balances and any safety systems within our laws to prevent a crazy messianic megalomaniac from gaining power.
There are very few options open to congress and the people, it’s impeachment and shut down all funding or nothing. This president is out for all or nothing. If you’re not willing to take him out of power, he is going to continue to abuse his power at will
New Bills in Congress
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2007-01-13 00:04. Congress
The following three pieces against the escalation have been introduced in Congress --
H.R.353
Title: To prohibit the use of funds for an escalation of United States forces in Iraq above the numbers existing as of January 9, 2007.
Sponsor: Rep Markey, Edward J. [MA-7] (introduced 1/9/2007) Cosponsors (12)
Latest Major Action: 1/9/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Armed Services, and in addition to the Committee on Foreign Affairs, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
If you’re not willing to take him out of power, he is going to continue to abuse his power at will
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hybrid, I come to that conclusion as well. When a president abuses power there is only one remedy and that is impeachment. It don't matter if he is only going to be around another two years (can we be sure of even that ...). It's a matter of principle and restoring checks and balances.
You, Sir or Madam, are nothing but a sniveling little hypocrit that thinks, in all your assininity, that being inciteful makes you appear insightful; somehow. Even though we know it's not a fair world that does not mean it's okay to post your misinformation and then expect to not get rebuked.
In summary, let me add, go to hell!!
Posted by davidual on January 12, 2007 at 10:02 AM
Minnesota_Thomas on January 12, 2007 at 11:48 PM,
I believe this was the post you are referent. Where are the name-calling replies? All I can say is, if the shoe fits...
All have a good night, or is that morning, yawn!!!
Rjsnj,
The only law on the books to prevent the president from enforcing marshal law upon the land and get the uranium tipped bullet to fly upon the civilians is Posse Comitatus. Without this one sentence law fro the 1700’s, the president is at will to target anyone within this country with the military.
Do the people know how dangerous removing those old laws?
Our greatest enemy is not from the Middle East it’s from within our own government and this president!!
Congress should consider removing this president’s nuclear authorization because he is too unstable of a person.
Posted by rjsnj on January 12, 2007 at 11:47 PM Hey minnesota please stick with the Republican party!
God no, rjsnj. Don't encourage him to join the Minnesota Republican Party. We've had a pretty decent one over the years for the for most part.
Rank and file Republican in MN have voted Democratic two cycles in a row specifically to encourage some of the leadership to move to China and teach the Chinese about Supply Side Economics.
Let them go! And thank them for their service.
What a twit!
Posted by davidual on January 12, 2007 at 12:30 PM
MN_Tom,
Oh, I'm sorry I called you a twit here, too!! Oh well, as I said, if the shoe fits...
Goodnight, everyone!!
Posted by davidual on January 13, 2007 at 12:01 AM
David, my comment at "dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 10:23 PM" was meant for you. Now that I read back, it seems that it could read like was telling Fade to buy your son a birthday present.
OK, I messed up. It's been a long week.
But the president is going to try to redo his invasion of Iraq, at the expense of longer and more tours
asking more of the people we have serving than he is demanding of the Iraqi politicians who are likely to play him against their rivals.
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I was going to end with that should allow me a "redo"
but I guess it doesn't.
But would he have called it a Crusade?
Freedom Fries for all!!!!
Posted by dorsano on January 12, 2007 at 09:27 PM
No.
I'll pass on the fries. And the ice cream too. I dance to a different tune than everyone else.
It seems that I've "enraged" bluzy, unintentional, but it's happened. I can't and won't apologize because my opinion differs from others here, and I respect that in them as well. I consider it tolerance on my part.
If I so wish to address a troll, regular, or newbie, I damn well will. If I wish to pop in and make off the wall comments, I'll do that as well. I happen to like posting news articles and like to share. Some are not of my same rational, but I do read opposing views.
You would think I would learn not to drink a cup of tea in the evening...I always wake up in the middle of the night. Back to bed for me.
Enjoy the morning, everyone.
I meant to put this one up before. Here ya go.
Jewish Membership in Congress at All-Time High
While Democrats celebrated the election of the House's first female speaker, another milestone passed more quietly: The 110th Congress includes more Jewish lawmakers than any other in history, and all but four are Democrats.
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Other faith-related facts: This Congress includes its first Muslim member and, in Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.), its highest-ranking Mormon ever. Catholics remain the largest single faith group in Congress, at about 30 percent -- slightly larger than their proportion of the U.S. population. Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians outnumber Jewish members, who outnumber Episcopalians.
Good Morning Bob....I've been catching up on last nites activity...don't know if anyone else else is on....how's everything with you?
"The Boss" has just informed me it is time to leave and go get our cheapie, "old folks" breakfast at the local market. I hope all of you have a great day!............Later....
good morning folks.
looks like the "king of the senate" believes that junk science about global warming:
Climate bill sets stage for debate
By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jan 11, 11:27 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Potential presidential rivals John McCain (news, bio, voting record) and Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) are joining with newly independent Sen. Joe Lieberman on a plan they say would reduce annual global-warming gases by two-thirds by mid-century.
Their bill, being announced Friday, is intended to cut the heat-trapping emissions by 2 percent a year. It is sure to produce a contentious debate on climate control in the new Democratic-run Congress and draw strong opposition from the White House and industry.
Sens. McCain, R-Ariz., Obama, D-Ill., and Lieberman, the Connecticut independent, are calling for mandatory caps on greenhouse emissions for power plants, industry and oil refineries. Their plan would require releases of heat-trapping gases to return to 2004 levels by 2012 and to 1990 levels by 2020.
Carbon dioxide, produced from the burning of fossil fuels, is the primary greenhouse gas. U.S. emissions of this gas have increased an average of about 1 percent year since 1990.
Posted by OhBoy-Its*FROSTY* on January 13, 2007 at 04:22 AM
I work part-time at a gas station in Prince George, Co., VA. On election day 2006, regular unleaded was $2.099. Today it is $2.249 after peaking at $2.299 for the holidays. Of course, the GOP pulled strings on gas prices for the election. But, like virtually everything else the GOP does, it failed. Spin on troll, spin on...
bob, here in the hudson valley regular gas is going for $2.40 a gallon at best. it has risen about fifteen to twenty cents since the elections.
that comet i keep trying to see. now it will be visible in the southern hemisphere so i guess the bush twins can see it if they take time out from partying in lima:
comet over poland
Posted by gregg on January 13, 2007 at 07:55 AM
I suppose it's about the same around the rest of the country. "Big Oil" has been conspiring with the GOP for decades.
from minnesota_thomas:
well whatta ya know... you look for enlightenment and find third graders at play.
minnesota_thomas - now that you know your GOOPER blog, kindly post on it.
I knew Edward R Murrow, Edward R Murrow was a friend of mine. Keith Olberman is no Edward R Murrow.
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The frosty troll definitely needs some new drugs.
Well Minnesota, you misunderstand the purpose of this open Thread. The purpose is to provide a place where the nuttiest of the nutty of the Democrat Party can congregate and present our goofy views. There are 9 of us regular posters and we resent interlopers with non conforming views. We drive non conformers out by calling them trolls and child molesters. Deal with it.
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frosty, you are a sniveling hypocrite and a jackass. You also are minnesota_thomas. Your dual personality tricks don't fool anyone.
Hey jackass if you don't like this blog, why do you keep coming back to it?
also find it interesting that Frosty keeps track of exactly how many people are on the blog and spends an entire day on it. I suspect he is being paid to disrupt this blog.
morning all,
rj, thanks for taking my back here, but I have so many stab wounds in it, I hardly notice anymore.
And as for thomas saying he is NEW to blogging here, that is an outright lie. He and his wife Martha, have come in with their spews off and on since the very beginning. They have been banned by the moderators because of their rude, boorish behavior more than once.
Let me add a little description of what I found as a definition of a blog is (is supposed to be)
A blog is a weblog, as we all know. Comments to a blog are part of what makes a blog a Community, social networking, relationship-focused site. New perspectives or opinions are expressed. The process of blogging inevitably start the process of forming friendships and relationships. It is an opportunity to post links to cool, interesting stuff one finds on the net. Comment "spam" is an attempt to stifle comments.
My husband belongs to some worldwide music blogs. They have friendly debates about music and performers. But he is drawn to a particular blog by the NETWORKING and character and attitude on that blog. He studies a new blog for content before making a decision if this relationship is one he will fit in with. If he likes the people and agrees with what they mostly are saying, then he is comfortable there.
For anyone who comes into this blog, who has studied the personality of this blog content, and finds this is not in sync with his own views, YET decides to post CONTRARY, beligerant, arguementative comments shows that that person has no interest whatsoever in becoming a part of this society of Democrats. Not to learn, and to add to the discussion. Rather, they are bullies who do not have the guts to do it to people's faces, thus enjoy the anonymity of doing it here.
You heard of the Prudent person rule, used in Insurance and civil law cases? i.e. what would the prudent person do in any situation?
well, the Prudent person, whether Democrat, Reublican, unaffiliated, whatever, who comes in here, sees what the community's personality is like and if not agreeable with it, clicks back out and continues looking for another blog that is more like themselves!
dorsano on January 13, 2007 at 12:33 AM,
You're right Dorsano! I totally missed your post, and also rj's and fades posts while I was bouncing between giving my child attention, and defending my comments as not being overly angry, or "having a short fuse".
You are right Fade, that is exactly how they distract from the conversation on this blog. It makes me want to 'scream! Instead, I guess the better choice is to scram, bugger off, or begone. I do not like doing that because I associate that with the troll winning. However, is that not the same situation we have in Iraq? We don't want to leave because we don't want to associate leaving with the insurgency (troll) winning, so we stay and argue (fight), but the more we argue the more the insurgency (troll) wins!!
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