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Tuesday Open Thread

Posted by on January 30, 2007 at 09:52 AM

What's on your mind?

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 10:03 AM

Survey shows 13 pct of Americans never heard of global warming
Thirteen percent of Americans have never heard of global warming even though their country is the world's top source of greenhouse gases, a 46-country survey showed on Monday.

The report, by ACNielsen of more than 25,000 Internet users, showed that 57 percent of people around the world considered global warming a "very serious problem" and a further 34 percent rated it a "serious problem."

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The study also found that 91 percent of people had heard about global warming and 50 percent reckoned it was caused by human activities.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 10:11 AM

Good morning Es, sorry to hear you are a bit under the weather.

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Kristen on January 30, 2007 at 10:12 AM

Congress begins tackling climate issues

Two private advocacy groups say they have found evidence of political pressure on government climate scientists at seven federal agencies in efforts to downplay the threat of global warming.

Their report was expected to be presented to a House committee Tuesday as the Democratic-controlled Congress steps up its examination of the Bush administration's climate policy.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 10:14 AM

Thanks, K. One more, then back to my sickbed. (don't tell bluzy, but I'm gonna listen to tv news from there...no laptop)

Senator targets surplus sales to Iran

A Democratic senator wants to cut off all Pentagon sales of surplus F-14 parts, saying the military's marketing of the spares "defies common sense" in light of their importance to Iran.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 10:19 AM

i worked for 34 for the government. one reason was because there was a health plan that you could still be a part of after you retired. if you had sick days on the books when you retired ( i had 200 ) they would be given a cash value. while you didn't get the cash the amount is amortized and used to pay part of your monthly premiums. what i like about the plan is i can select my own specialists that are off plan if i am willing to pay 20% out of pocket for what the off plan doctor charges and what the plan allows for his or her services. there are 145 million or so americans covered by similar plans.

now both republicans and democrats want to nullify these contratual agreements and come up with some system that won't offer me the kind of quality deal i worked for?

here is my idea: take ten percent of the profits of all corportations that make a home in the united states ( exxon, microsoft, peebody coal, halliburton, etc. ) in addition to what they already pay---which usually ain't much. call it the "living in a safe country tax"...then demand five percent of the profits all large companies that sell us shit make ( toyota,bmw, honda, mitsubishi, etc. ) call it "the dealing with the richest most consumptive country in the world tax" and you'll have your 1.4 trillion and then some. any corporation that doesn't want to play from abroad can't trade with us and any corporation in this country that won't play needs to get out. and if they do choose to leave it opens up new markets for united states based corporations.....use the money insure the 41 million or so poor bastards who have been listening to our bullshit leaders whine about how they need to be the only major industrial nation in the world that doesn't see to it that everyone has some sort of coverage because of their bullshit ideological beliefs.

sound radical? sound rash? well so is suggesting a bunch of bozos in the millionaires club should cook up some wacky idea and use it to wipe out plans that folks worked to secure for a hundred years.

unless you believe we will all have the same health plan as senators....in which case you are truely niave...not you essie....the other you.

tell the senator to run that up the flag pole and stop jerking me off.

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 10:28 AM

geez at least someone could take the time to call me a commie!

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Oh, my bad gregg, commie kinko's user pig... or something to that effect.... ;)

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DeLLBerto on January 30, 2007 at 10:50 AM

Posted by gregg on January 30, 2007 at 10:28 AM

commie! ;)

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Kristen on January 30, 2007 at 10:57 AM

i knew i could count on you folks. god love ya.

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 10:58 AM

gregg, I'll never pass up an oppurtunity to call somebody a commie kinko's user pig, ever. Especially when it's opened up the way you did it. ;)

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DeLLBerto on January 30, 2007 at 11:04 AM

dell are you at work or home home on the range?

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 11:14 AM

Gregg....this is just a flyby, I can't stay, but answer one quick question for me, are you down in the root cellar again drinking up all of "our" martunis?
And did the nuts from the nut house join you again?...Seriously, Gregg..have a great day....John Boy..

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goodfoe on January 30, 2007 at 11:25 AM

i appreciate the work waxman is doing in this area but to me these efforts to deny the american people the products of their own scientists should be felony crimes and bush and his minions should be in court facing big jail time:

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 7 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Democratic-controlled Congress on Tuesday stepped up its pressure on President Bush’s global warming strategy, hearing allegations of new political pressure on government scientists to downplay the threat of global warming.

Lawmakers received survey results of federal scientists that showed 46 percent felt pressure to eliminate the words “climate change,” “global warming” or similar terms from communications about their work.

The scientists also reported 435 instances of political interference in their work over the past five years.

The new allegations were made at a hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

Nearly half cited edits
The Union of Concerned Scientists, a private advocacy group, and the Government Accountability Project, a legal-assistance group that represents whistle-blowers, sent out the survey to 1,600 scientists. Surveys were returned by 308 scientists. Not all answered every question, but the survey found that:

43 percent of respondents reported edits during review of their work that changed the meaning of their findings.
46 percent felt administrative requirements that impaired climate-related work.
67 percent said the environment for federal government climate research is worse now than five years ago.
The groups urged lawmakers to ensure “scientists’ constitutional right to speak about any subject in their private lives and allowing scientists to make ultimate decisions about the communication of their research.”

“The new Congress must act to prevent the continued interference with science for political purposes,” said GAP attorney Tarek Maassarani. “A good first step would be for Congress to amend current whistle blower protections to specifically protect the rights of federal government scientists.”

there are so many ways bush and his piglets have put our lives at jeapordy. time for them to go to jail

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 11:27 AM

The downside to congress passing the sales tax deduction so late last year it is making it very difficult to file my taxes. First I had to wait three weeks the tax software to get the update and now the IRS isn't accepting e-filed returns from states impacted by the new rules for another week.

I realize this is small in the grand scheme of it all, but with this job search dragging on longer than I would like it to it would sure be nice to get that return into the savings account.

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Kristen on January 30, 2007 at 11:28 AM

home on the range. picking up the kid's messes, being daddy and that sorta thing.

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DeLLBerto on January 30, 2007 at 11:30 AM

Report: FBI conducting sweeping Internet wiretaps that mirror warantless NSA surveillance

John Byrne
Published: Tuesday January 30, 2007
Print This Email This

"The FBI appears to have adopted an invasive Internet surveillance technique that collects far more data on innocent Americans than previously has been disclosed," according to a story posted Tuesday on ZDNet, a technology news website.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Report_FBI_conducting_sweeping_Internet_wiretaps_0130.html

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PamB on January 30, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Posted by Kristen on January 30, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Job searches stink, especially these days. I've been looking for something different for over a year now and one of two things keeps happening; the jobs available will be a paycut or the couple of interviews I've had they hired somebody they knew.

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DeLLBerto on January 30, 2007 at 11:35 AM

Here's WHY trolls and Republicans think there isn't any such thing as Global Warming!

WASHINGTON - Two private advocacy groups told a congressional hearing Tuesday that climate scientists at seven government agencies say they have been subjected to political pressure aimed at downplaying the threat of global warming


http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fap%2F20070130%2Fap_on_go_co%2Fcongress_climate%26printer%3D1%3B_ylt%3DAteBYeUeOGBVEcaAOS4oz1GMwfIE%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

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PamB on January 30, 2007 at 11:35 AM

laura bush must have read the new pastry chef's book before she hired him.

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Veneita on January 30, 2007 at 11:36 AM

Posted by PamB on January 30, 2007 at 11:33 AM

That's nothing that suprises me. With the whackos in control, we're slowly turning into Orwell's Nineteen-eightyfour. Where are the true "conservatives" whom apparently dislike any sort of government involvement in the private lives of the citizens?

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DeLLBerto on January 30, 2007 at 11:37 AM

hehehe..........

"Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) returned to Capitol Hill this week with a prominent gash on his forehead after he was knocked nearly unconscious back home in St. Paul while -- of all things -- dumpster diving," the Washington Post's Mary Ann Akers reported Friday afternoon in an almost unnoticed item.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Underreported_Sen._Coleman_injured_dumpster_diving_0129.html

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PamB on January 30, 2007 at 11:39 AM

specter who helped get shitheads like roberts and scalito on the supreme court now raises his weak little hand from the back of the room and mummbles something he should have screamed six years ago...get him a job in the mailroom and let's move on. from salon:

Senator: Bush Not Sole 'Decision-Maker'

By LAURIE KELLMAN Associated Press Writer

January 30,2007 | WASHINGTON -- A Senate Republican on Tuesday directly challenged President Bush's declaration that "I am the decision-maker" on issues of war.


"I would suggest respectfully to the president that he is not the sole decider," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said during a hearing on Congress' war powers amid an increasingly harsh debate over Iraq war policy. "The decider is a shared and joint responsibility," Specter said.

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 11:55 AM

remind me not to get a federal prosecutor on my ass. from salon:

Libby Reportedly Said 'I Didn't Do It'

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By MATT APUZZO Associated Press Writer

January 30,2007 | WASHINGTON -- Amid the furor over the 2003 leak of a CIA operative's identity, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, bluntly told a White House lawyer, "I didn't do it," the lawyer testified Tuesday.


David Addington, who served as Cheney's legal counsel during the CIA leak scandal, described a September 2003 meeting with Libby around the time that a criminal investigation began.

"I just want to tell you, I didn't do it," Addington recalled Libby saying. "I didn't ask what the 'it' was."

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald says Libby discussed CIA operative Valerie Plame with reporters, then lied about those conversations. He is accused of perjury and obstruction but neither he nor anyone else is charged with the leak itself.

Recalling their 2003 conversation in Libby's office, Addington testified Tuesday that Libby was curious about how someone could determine whether a CIA employee was working undercover. Addington, a former CIA counsel, said there's no way to know.

Addington said he gave Libby a highlighted copy of the federal law barring disclosure of the identity of covert agents.

Fitzgerald hopes Addington's testimony will bolster his argument that Libby was worried about whether his conversations with reporters were improper and therefore lied to conceal them...

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 11:57 AM

"dumpster diving"?

guess he is practicing for the 08 elections cause that is where his chances are....

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 12:00 PM
The answer should be clear. Since the President is adamant about pursuing his failed policies in Iraq, Congress has the duty to stand up and use its power to stop him. If Congress doesn’t stop this war, it’s not because it doesn’t have the power. It’s because it doesn’t have the will.
--Russ Feingold
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Veneita on January 30, 2007 at 12:21 PM

for everyone who thinks its a good idea to build more nuclear weapons, for the politicians who cut the funds intended to secure the former soviet unions arsenal, for the gang at redstate and in the white house who think " everything is on the table", for the all the clowns from bush to bolton and on and on who want to undo the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, for all the uninformed who think an atomic detonation in one of our cities would be " manageable", for the pigs in iran and north korea and india and pakistan who long to "join the club" for all those who are responsible for our port security and do nothing, for the morons who yesterday delcared that nuclear power plants shouldn't have to figure out how to be protected from airliner attacks...just how to minimize the fallout....in other words for all the assholes:

the real deal about "small" nuclear weapons

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 12:49 PM


DEMOCRAT PARTY" INSULT WAS TESTED BY REPUBLICAN PR FIRM

During his State of the Union Address, President Bush said the following:

Some in this chamber are new to the House and the Senate -- and I congratulate the Democrat majority. (Applause.)

Hearing this, Democrats in Congress reacted with understandable anger at this well-known epithet developed and used by Republicans to muddy the name of Democratic Party. But, lo and behold, rather than actually research this issue,the Washington Post took the easy way out and simply regurgitated the White House talking points delivered by Tony Snow--reporting that Bush apologized for using the phrase without knowing it ("Bush Says Missing "-ic" Was an Oversight," Washington Post, 20 Jan 2007).

He didn't know it?

The Washington Post might be surprised to learn that that the phrase "Democrat Party" appears on the White House web site dozens of times as used by President Bush. But they might be even more surprised to learn that the phrase "Democrat Party" is a focus-group tested strategy deployed by the Republican Party's top PR strategist--who has also admitted to intentionally using it in his recent book--a book that is currently on the Amazon.com best seller list.

Honestly, though, how can we possibly expect the Washington Post to conduct all of this difficult research into the Republican use of "Democrat Party," which took me all of ten arduous minutes.

At the very least, though, they could go over to the New Yorker online and read a recent article by Hendrik Hertzberg on the topic, which lays out the whole story.


"The history of “Democrat Party” [slur] is hard to pin down with any precision," wrote Hendrik Hertzberg in a great piece called "The "Ic" Factor" that appeared last summer in New Yorker (8 Aug 2007). It may be hard to pin down, but Hertzberg does a fantastic job.

http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com/frameshop/2007/01/frameshop_washi.html

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PamB on January 30, 2007 at 12:52 PM

India's Leader Says All Must Heed Gandhi

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By MATTHEW ROSENBERG Associated Press Writer

January 30,2007 | NEW DELHI -- The world's nations must heed Mohandas Gandhi's philosophy and provide for all their people while keeping greed in check, India's prime minister said Tuesday, as the country marked the 59th anniversary of the Indian icon's assassination.

THEN STOP TRYING TO GET NUCLEAR WEAPONS YOU SHIT HEAD AND TELL BUSH YOU WILL NOT TRADE WITH HIS COUNTRY UNLESS HE DEMANDS PAKISTAN GETS RID OF THEIRS!!!!

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 12:57 PM

not you essie....the other you.

tell the senator to run that up the flag pole and stop jerking me off.

Posted by gregg on January 30, 2007 at 10:28 AM

The other me was merely posting news, you commie. ;p

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 01:16 PM

yeah, comrade gregg, take some personal responsibility for your health care and quit expecting the Government to do it for you! :)

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PamB on January 30, 2007 at 01:23 PM

At least 40 killed in Iraq attacks
Attacks as Iraqi Shia mark Ashura
At least 40 people have been killed in a wave of attacks across Iraq at the climax of Ashura, the most important Shia Muslim religious festival.
Full Story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6312489.stm

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DemocratKickingAss on January 30, 2007 at 01:26 PM

In need of cash, Dems see billions in biotech

Senior Democratic lawmakers are close to introducing legislation to create a pathway for the approval of generic biological drugs in the hopes that the cheaper medicines will create billions of dollars in budget savings, which could be used to offset some of the cost of expanding federal health programs.
...
Democratic leaders and committee chairmen in both the House and Senate are considering a menu of costly healthcare items such as enhancing the Medicare Part D prescription-drug benefit and expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 01:33 PM

well i have really taken some strong positions today. i guess a fever and martini brings out the maniac in me!

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 01:35 PM

Democrats unveil massive spending bill

Democrats have unveiled a massive spending bill combining the budgets of 13 Cabinet agencies with increases in aid for lower-income college students, while cutting President Bush's funding requests for foreign aid and closing military bases.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 01:40 PM

Posted by PamB on January 30, 2007 at 12:52 PM

That's right, he didn't know. gee golly whiz and all that.

No Offense, but ...

“The idea that somehow I was trying to needle the Democrats, it’s just — gosh — it’s probably Texas,” he said. “Who knows what it is. But I’m not that good at pronouncing words anyway.”

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 01:44 PM

Australian PM welcomes Cheney visit


"Vice President Cheney's visit will be an important opportunity to reinforce the strong bilateral relationship between the United States and Australia and to consult on major international issues such as regional security challenges, Afghanistan, Iraq and the war against terrorism."

Howard said last week he would not pull Australian troops out of Iraq in the face of spiralling sectarian violence and growing voter discontent over the conflict.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 01:46 PM

Ray guns and plastic ice: Pentagon looks to sci-fi weaponry

The space-age weapons of Star Wars are not beyond the imagination of researchers at DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency of the US Department of Defense.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 01:50 PM

The Note: 41+42-43=44?

She can't sing (Thanks, MSNBC LINK), and she is often accused of dancing and acting too much, and/but. . . Hillary Clinton just might be the next president of the United States.

The RNC knows it. (They hit her on her ethanol gymnastics yesterday — but do they remember George W. Bush's Des Moines Marriott conversion on the issue in 1999, a moment that made even Howard Fineman blush?)

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 01:53 PM

I just caught Senator Schumer on Martha Stewart's show this morning. He had some great ideas and was promoting his book.

I don't necessarily agree that Hilary is the best candidate but I think I'll pick up his book.

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Kristen on January 30, 2007 at 01:59 PM

TimeWarner Cable has already managed to piss me off.

I'm sleeping sound and they send a Tech to walk in for a follow up, look at my computer and T.V and then go,

"Okay. Thanks. Sorry I woke you"

Annoying ayaez!

So on that note,

GOOD AFTERNOON?

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 02:01 PM

ok, I'm going back to my sickbed. fuddy duddies!

Here, a morsel from the ABC link:

Other Dems' chance to shine

The upcoming winter meeting of the Democratic National Committee is the first beauty contest for the party's long list of White House contenders and a chance for someone other than Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton to catch a headline.
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The DNC winter meeting is a mini-convention attended by an influential cadre of party activists. The theme is "Strong Leadership for America's Future" and will also feature the newly empowered Democratic congressional leaders.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 02:01 PM

As far as the slur Bush used during the SOTU speech it's not even close to the first time he has publicly insulted Democrats and Independents. Bush's current Spokesliar Snow claims Bush said he misspoke. George W. Bush did not misspeak he publicly on a world-wide stage cynically insulted Democrats. He's accused Democrats, publicly, of being cowards "cut and run Democrats" and traitors "dissent enables the enemy". Bush is not a nice person no matter what the press or his deluded admirers believe. It's apparently not good enough to insult, degrade and threaten other nations he cynically does this to American citizens as well.

peace

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wldj on January 30, 2007 at 02:11 PM
well i have really taken some strong positions today. i guess a fever and martini brings out the maniac in me!

Posted by gregg on January 30, 2007 at 01:35 PM


That's it gregg, It's time for an intervention.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 02:15 PM

fos, just tell me where to show up and don't make believe it is a surprise birthday party! :)

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 02:41 PM

gregg, (tears)

You have to stop this. (gulp) gregg, we love you. We only want what's best for you (sigh) gregg, you can't continue like this (sob) oh gregg, please.You have to do it for yourself, you family, the DNC Community,(blink) You have to...

You have to......


You have to......


TOTALLY STAY SHET-FACED! DUDE! (WHOO HOOO!)

'P

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 02:57 PM

ooooh,

Breaking News!

Speaker Pelosi is about to speak about something, tune into MSNBC (I know. I know) and wait for her to come on.


bbl.................

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 03:00 PM

hey fos thanks for the pelosi heads up. as an italian american all i can say is hey mombo, mombo italiano....gonna take a liter of vodka and go watch.

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 03:10 PM

URGENT CALL!

SEN. RUSS FEINGOLD NEEDS OUR HELP!

WATCH THE VIDEO!

SIGN THE PETITION!

LET HIM KNOW WE ARE BEHIND HIM!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 03:41 PM

I just filled out a form that our Honorable Senator Barbara Boxer emailed me, asking for our input on environment priorities. She is now the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Feel free to respond to it, too: http://ga4.org/pacforachange/gw_agenda_pub.html?member_key=s7ekn7rp6dt86d&

I'm so glad to see you all here sharing such terrific ideas! Here's what I wrote to Senator Barbara Boxer, and I wanted to share it with the Democratic Party in general:

"Senator Boxer, your new chairmanship brings tears of joy to my eyes! Every chance we have, let's not be afraid to pin the blame squarely where it belongs, with wealth-loving, immoral Republicans. Let’s demonstrate that their values are upside-down. Let’s speak confidently, counter their negative rhetoric with the truth, not apologize. Let's be unimpeachable. If we know of Democrat members of Congress without high moral standards, let's pressure them to change or be replaced. Let’s not ignore the poor, sick, mentally ill, and addicted, who can blossom with help. Let’s also stop fraud by those who just want to work the system. Let’s reduce crime by assisting the drug-addicted and poor, and by assisting families with childcare and emotional needs so they don't abuse their children who grow up twisted and lash out against others. Let’s hold violent offenders accountable for their actions and not let them out to do it again when they have a high recidivism rate."

These should be our legislative priorities, applying the best minds in our country to developing solutions, not brushing these critical issues under the carpet and blaming the victims, as the Republican Party likes to do.

There are just SO many excellent reasons to impeach Bush! He's wide open! Let's do it! *grin*

I realize that I completely got off the topic of global warming solutions. I had already ranked my favorites. It's unbelievable how bad global warming has already gotten, and the Republicans are still pretending it doesn't exist. Helllloooo Special Interests! This hurts you, too, in one way or another!

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Tigrrl on January 30, 2007 at 03:52 PM

Posted by Tigrrl on January 30, 2007 at 03:52 PM

I will sign ANY thing that my former California Senator, Barbara Boxer asks me to. I know she has always been in the fore front on Environmental issues.

Please, will you sign my new Senators Petition as it deals with the war in Iraq?

Thank you so much for your post.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 03:56 PM

Tigrrl ,

Something is wrong with the link to the petition. I'm unable to access it. Where did you get it so I can sign it?

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 03:58 PM

I think this thing has Cheney and Rumsfeld written all over it.

Analysis: Najaf battle raises questions

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Accounts of the bloody battle near Najaf have produced more questions than answers, raising doubts about Iraqi security forces' performance and concern over tensions within the majority Shiite community.

Among the questions: How did a messianic Shiite cult, the "Soldiers of Heaven," accumulate so many weapons and — if Iraqi accounts are accurate — display such military skills? Iraqi forces prevailed only after U.S. and British jets blasted the militants with rockets, machine gunfire and 500-pound bombs. Both U.S. and Iraqi reinforcements had to be sent to the fight...

//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070130/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_what_happened

Why would it be necessary to use 500 lb. bombs on a rag tag group of 200 cult members including many women and children?

If it raises this many questions by a sleeping MSM, you can bet it was somebody's idea of a publicity "show battle" over in the Pentagon...and I'm not talking about the military in the Pentagon.

Who is Cheney's point man over there in the Pentagon? I've had a hard time keeping up with all the changes, as Darth plants his worms in various secretive and undisclosed locations in new and old military and spy agencies.

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SandyH on January 30, 2007 at 04:14 PM

Russ Feingold in the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer after the break.........

Tune in.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 04:18 PM

Okay, I guess it's coming after this segment on Mitt Romney.

CNN: The Most Annoying Name in News.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 04:21 PM

By the way, Good afternoon.

gregg,

Keep drinking whatever you've been consuming.

I thought your earlier post about taking control of our own markets from the mulitnationals was quite inspired. The Chinese and Russians did it in the early 1900's and it helped stop the Guilded Age right in it's tracks.

It also made it possible for the advent of a flourishing middle class in this country...till the Reagan era put out the welcome mat for cheap illegal workers and Newt started outsourcing all our skilled and technical jobs.

It might be time for another readjustment. Who cares what happens to the multinationals? They aren't Americans. I don't care if the whole new world economic order crashes and burns.

And those Republicans that have conspired against the working man in this country with these multinationals need to crash and burn, too.

Just try to tax our medical benefits as income or undermine our social security system. It's time for the GOP to move to Paraguay or give back their tax cuts.

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SandyH on January 30, 2007 at 04:34 PM

Posted by SandyH on January 30, 2007 at 04:34 PM

Sorry, SandyH.

;p.

I've been post-n-running all afternoon and did'nt see your post.


Hi.

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 04:45 PM

I'm still waiting for my apology for being called a Dixiecrat, and an idiot? What do you have to say, FOS?

While I wait, let's sit on the couch and chat, shall we?

What would a psychologist say if I admitted that I 1. smoked cigeretttes, 2, did coke, 3, once ran against a vetern civil rights hero before it was my time, 4, considered running against people who done much more for Democrats, and are immenently more qualified, 5. ran a law journal once???

Humm... I'm thinking the shrink might say that an obsessive/compulsive disorder is a possible conclusion.

I'm just wondering why Obama didn't stay in the investment adviser field? Must've been pretty good work in the Clinton days. In all fairness, corporations are making a killin now too.

Humm... President Obama.... humm it's got a certain ring to it.
I think we have some real political masterminds at work.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 04:48 PM

Hey Power of Equality! What do smoking CIGARETTES and doing coke have to do with being obsessive compulsive? For that matter what do the other three have to do with it, either? Would you like to try another disorder?

And who has the right to say who is more qualified than another? The person who doesn't even know how to utilize the English language?

And no, you certainly aren't getting an apology from me, idiot.

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GregL on January 30, 2007 at 04:56 PM

Russ Feingold is right. He is absolutly right. He is taking on Wolf Blitzers questions. We really should be questioning the decision making ability and judgement of those who voted for this war and who are now unable to admit they were wrong. Especially those who want to be President of the United States. Russ feingold is absolutly correct !

I LOVE Russ Feingold! He rocks. Always!

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 04:59 PM

I love the new GOP Iranian ploy. They want us to believe that Iran is undermining Bush's debacle in Iraq...that this is the reason why it's a complete failure. It couldn't possibly be the White House's fault?

Since nobody buys into the neocon argument that bombing the Iranian nuke facilities (even if they knew where they were) is anything but stupid, they're trying to draw Iran into the blame for Iraq.

Cheney better just declare himself Caesar if he wants to continue on. The American public have had it with his bungling mistakes and lies. They will never support him again in the Middle East.

The neocon dream is slipping away fast, and in two years, it dies an long overdue death.

"I'm going to crank this sucker up." That's Bush's new Iranian attack slogan. It's a shame his policies never moves more than 20 feet at a time and then stall out.

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SandyH on January 30, 2007 at 05:01 PM
I'm still waiting for my apology for being called a Dixiecrat, and an idiot? What do you have to say, FOS?


Oh, uh alert the Press. I'm about to make an announcement to POE.

Are ya Ready?

I apologize,

TO NO ONE!

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:02 PM

Oh, MAN!! This monotonous dude is like a rash!

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DPD on January 30, 2007 at 05:08 PM

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 04:48 PM

Just how many names are you going to use to ask for apologies from people in here?

Obama is like young John Kennedy. You can't stop the momentum. The more you try, the more he gains in stature whether he deserves it or not.

I'm sick of playing cat and mouse with the trolls on this board. You're fighting a losing battle. Your policies are unattractive, your leadership lackluster (if not plain stupid), and your war is a failure. Go talk amongst yourselves. Nobody owes you an apology.

I'm outta here.

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SandyH on January 30, 2007 at 05:10 PM

Breaking News From CNN

Barack Obama just introduced a BINDING Resolution to end the War in Iraq by March 2008.

Stay tuned!

Obama 2008!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:12 PM

once ran against a vetern civil rights hero before it was my time,

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 04:48 PM

Hmm..........."before his time". That seems to be the foundation of your opposition to Obama and along with he doesn't "step aside for senior DEMS". all of which fall into some Jim Crow category. You have danced around different reasons, none of which have any validity.

Very apparent that you have a PERSONAL dislike for Obama which has some racist overtones.

adds up to one thing - bigotry.

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J on January 30, 2007 at 05:13 PM

Posted by GregL on January 30, 2007 at 04:56 PM

Believe it or not, those traits are all signs of an obsessive/compulsive disorder. I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying we have a pattern here. It's all about me, regardless of the cost.
Like Michael Jordan and Pete Rose and gambling. Gambling is the same thing. It's obsessive/compulsive.

Everybody has the right to make that decision. We all have our factors of different weight. Some people actually think "charisma" is more important than experience. Hitler had Chrisma, and he didn't too good in the end, and some had experience, like... whoever, and didn't do too good.
(I'm sorry, Cheney and Rummy did not have real experience, as BHO says.)

So let's debate the facts without name calling. Okay?

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:16 PM

"1 in 6 of our jobs today is in manufacturing exports". (Chimpy at the Caterpillar plant in Peoria today)

His grammar not withstanding, what was that figure before our jobs were shipped to China?

Howdy, ALL!

Yo, Obama hater, I'll ask again...

WHO DO YOU LIKE?

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DPD on January 30, 2007 at 05:17 PM

Hi D, J,

and later, SandyH (hugs)

:)

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:19 PM

I heard Kennedy speak. And I heard Obama speak after the SOTU last week. And Barack Hussain Obama is no Jack Kennedy.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:19 PM

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:16 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Okay,

And.....Who's Presidential Exploritory Commitee are you trying to apply for ?

So obvious.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:21 PM

Truthfully, I like them all except for the one who is very under-qualified to match up against the Repubs, and lead the Dems.

The Senate is not a major plus in Pres runs. And not much in the Senate is nothing to write home about it. Or maybe you think 6 years in the state senate is something special?

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:24 PM

What's the obsession with Bobby Rush, and why do you keep using Obama's middle name (which HE didn't choose, BTW)?

You are a 1 trick pony, constantly and obsessively posting the SAME thing over and over on several threads for the past several weeks.

You don't like Obama. We GET it. WHO DO YOU LIKE? (Or more importantly, which candidate are you an operative for?).

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DPD on January 30, 2007 at 05:25 PM

Posted by SandyH on January 30, 2007 at 05:10 PM

Nice try. Sorry, I'm no troll. But say what you what. Post your credentials anytime.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:26 PM

So let's debate the facts without name calling. Okay?

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:16 PM

I don't name call. More professionalism than that. I've watched and read your posts for sometime. I'm stating you for exactly what you portray yourself as.

a bigot.

checkin' out.

Peace \/

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J on January 30, 2007 at 05:27 PM


Okay, And.....Who's Presidential Exploritory Commitee are you trying to apply for ? So obvious.;p
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:21 PM
_________
Nobody, unlike you. Good thing race is not a factor as you SAY.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:29 PM

POE,

I bet you can't take your argument to the Group Code Pink. If you don't like what I'm saying, you won't be able to stand before these ladies.

Code Pink Stampedes Hillary Clinton's Office.

They won't leave till they get an answer! You are more likely to get an apology from me , than Code Pink is to get an answer from Hillary Clinton.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:31 PM
Nobody, unlike you. Good thing race is not a factor as you SAY.

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:29 PM


CORRECTION:

That's neither RACE nor UTEROUS is a factor in my support.

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:33 PM

Does anybody remember that scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 where Wolfowitz licked his comb and ran it through his hair? Well, Kos has a post called "Paul Wolfowitz is a slob.", and it links to THIS PICTURE of Wolfie visiting a Turkish Mosque.

Pretty classy for the President of the World Bank, doncha t'ink?

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DPD on January 30, 2007 at 05:41 PM

Very apparent that you have a PERSONAL dislike for Obama which has some racist overtones.
adds up to one thing - bigotry.
Posted by J on January 30, 2007 at 05:13 PM
__________________________
There you go, race baiting. Not going to fall for it.
But I'm pretty sure I've done more in African American communities than you and ol' FOS. Or maybe you are respected as a community organizer? Anything? Rev. Jesse Jackson remember YOU?

No, I don't dislike HIM personally.
I personally dislike the way he is being used as a tool for the MSM, and allows his ego to be put ahead of the PEOPLE and PARTY. It's that simple. He can't win, and many know it.

And after reading about his history in the USA Today front page artice, I think I understand why he does what he does, regardless if it means the Dems would lose in '08, and what would happen to the disenfranchised, and the Supreme Court.

So people here don't see a red flag when he sticks up for Repugs when Dems have them on the ropes? He is doing it because it makes him look good to some to turn on Dems. That's egregious. Anyone who turns on the Dems when we have them on the run has a serious integrity issue.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:42 PM

Posted by DPD on January 30, 2007 at 05:41 PM

Ewww!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:50 PM

J,

WTF?

Does this fool even know we are Black? (Does Jessie Jackson know us?) Why the hell would I want Jessie Jackson to know me for? Gimmie a flippin break!

WTF?

ROFLMAO!

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:54 PM

How seriously can you take anyone whose idea of research on a candidate is reading an article in USA Today?

That's like saying, I am well read because I have a subscription to Readers Digest.

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LaSt on January 30, 2007 at 05:57 PM

POE,
I bet you can't take your argument to the Group Code Pink. If you don't like what I'm saying, you won't be able to stand before these ladies.
Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:31 PM
___________________________________
Don't know what you're talking about, but I've met them several times, in several cities. Some of them love me, and ask me to join them often for this or that. Alas, I'm over it. They are single isssue activists, IMO. I've ALWAYS done more than the latest war.

It's not Hillary's war. And it could be strongly argued that cutting funding for the troops endangers the troops, and will create another post-vietnam. Yes or no? Don't blame Hill or Bill.

If you ask me, if they signed up to pick up guns and do what the Commander in Chief says. So that's between them. I'm more concerned with other issues, like stem cell research funding.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:57 PM

Good evening fellow Democrats. May I respectfully remind all of my fellow Democrats that the Iowa Caucus is still a year away. Let's save some of this rhetoric for after Labor Day, shall we?

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:58 PM

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:54 PM

Rev Jesse Jackson does not know you two, like he does me, because you two are not real hard-core civil rights activists who have done lots over the last 18 years that would bring you into contact with him at several major events.

You two have never spoken on the same stage with him to a huge crowd because you two are not that type of leader in the social justice movement, or maybe you are, and just choose to let others do the talking?

Why really organize in the streets when you can get in your comfey chairs, and call other Dems names, and post articles to the choir??? Wow, I'm really impressed with your WORKS.

But your emails to the choir are greatly appriciated.
Tell 'em it can be an ObamaNation with their support. LOL.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 06:09 PM
That's like saying, I am well read because I have a subscription to Readers Digest.

Posted by LaSt on January 30, 2007 at 05:57 PM

ROFLMAO!

I've worked myself up a pretty healthy appetite. I'm gonna go eat.

BBL


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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 06:11 PM

osted by BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 05:58 PM

Thanks Bob. I agree with you. But my point is that unless we focus on the here and now accomplishments of the Dems, people will not know WHY they should vote for Dems.
I see all this candidate talk as a MSM hack job on Dems like Speaker Pelosi and Rep. Murtha. The MSM knows that people would go with the Dems IF they showed what was really going on in Washington.

And when someone here plays into that MSM game, and tries to take us Dems down the primrose path to ObamaNation, someone must refocus the subject and issue.
Thank you for your help and focus.

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Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 06:18 PM
Tell 'em it can be an ObamaNation with their support. LOL.

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 06:09 PM

Ahhh Ha! There you have it.

It's the "Jealous Azz Old School Black Panther Bruthas Swift Boat Posse"

That explains it all. That so explains it all.


I'm going to go eat dinner now. That gives you about a hour and a half to post your argument about how Barack Obama ain't a wild azz nurshery rhyming perm wearing brutha who's pissed off that they didn't get 10 percent as much attention when they ran for President as Barack's getting now, so they are jealous.

Ha Ha Ha !

When will ya'll get a clue. He ain't runnin as a Black Man. That's the difference.

;p

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FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 06:21 PM

Maybe if we get some of the rhetoric out of the way now, we'll have better choices for the Iowa caucus.
Are we so far gone, that we feel that race and gender out weight the fact that the two most mentioned candidates out there who are Republi-lite leaning enough that they are obviously not who we are going to need to correct the course of this country after the disaster of the Bushiato?
We need a viable candidate who is untainted by any possible ties to the Beltway elite that the people will vote for them as someone whom they believe speaks for them.
I see no candidate currently in Washington who will do that for the American people.
We need a true populist, not a false "centrist".
I don't care what race or gender they are, or even if they are green with purple polka dots as long as they work for the American People to rebuild this country after 8 years of disaster.

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Butte on January 30, 2007 at 06:32 PM

He ain't runnin as a Black Man. That's the difference.

;p

Posted by FreedomOfSpeechForBarackObama2008 on January 30, 2007 at 06:21 PM

Nor as a white man, but as both. Because that is what he is.

(and here I thought he was going to run as a Democrat!)

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 06:35 PM

Posted by Butte on January 30, 2007 at 06:32 PM

While race and gender is not important to us Democrats, it is important to the "sheeple" below the infamous Mason-Dixon line. Electabilty in a general election will be a major factor in how I vote in the primary.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 06:40 PM
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DemocratKickingAss on January 30, 2007 at 06:46 PM

Here is an encore of the Raging Grannies singing against Bush and the Iraq war. In case you missed it before here is another chance for you to see the video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2007/01/27/vo.dc.anti.war.protest.cnn/content.html

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DemocratKickingAss on January 30, 2007 at 06:48 PM

Rep. Maxine Waters on Ending the Iraqi War and telling it like it is. In case you missed this one here is an encore. Watch the video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zjIvaJ0FV9g

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DemocratKickingAss on January 30, 2007 at 06:49 PM

I wonder how this went today? Anybody hear?


"James A. Baker III, the co-chairman of the Iraq Study Group, has ended weeks of resistance and today will testify before Congress on the war, avoiding a split with his fellow co-chairman, former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.).

Sources familiar with the efforts to persuade Baker to testify said he did not want to appear to be lobbying against President Bush at the height of his push for 21,500 additional troops in Iraq.

Baker will answer senators' questions today during a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which includes three Democratic presidential hopefuls and Sen. Chuck Hagel (Neb.), the chamber's most forceful Republican critic of the war, who also is mulling a White House bid.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013007R.shtml

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PamB on January 30, 2007 at 06:58 PM

Electabilty in a general election will be a major factor in how I vote in the primary.

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 06:40 PM

That's what I like about you. You won't piss away your vote in a Primary. ;)

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 07:14 PM

Posted by *Frosty*theMagnificent on January 30, 2007 at 07:02 PM

Link?

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 07:16 PM

Posted by *Frosty*theMagnificent on January 30, 2007 at 07:08 PM

Rep. Waxman's (D-CA) big ears will come in handy when he can overhear the guys on your side of the aisle saying, "Shhh, but keep the shredders going."

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 07:19 PM

Ya know, this Pope ain't gonna live forever, so we should all start makin' book on the next guy. I'm going for the Dude from Venezuela!

It COULD happen in A YEAR AND A HALF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This so-called Civil Rights poster ho is P.O.'d that Obama ran AGAINST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the "Sainted" (Annnnnd "longtime "Civil Rights"" activist , though NEITHER is true LOOK IT UP!) Bobby Rush is just tiring.

In fact, I think this may actually BE Bobby Rush pretending to be blogging from a Southern Illinois County (1 minute drill..NAME IT AGAIN).

Bobby Rush has been challenged throughout his ENTIRE Political life, because he was the "Communications Director" of the Black Panther Party and after Dr. King's assasination the BPP split into several factions. Jesse (is there a camera nearby?) Jackson co-opted the MLK non-violence crowd, Rush and his faction went with the 'By any means necessary" crowd which eventually became the "Blackstone Nation" street gang, and later the "Black P-Stone Nation" etc. until the STILL ALIVE THUGS got jobs as "Nation of Islam / Louis Farrakhan" bodyguards.

I have SEEN these cult freak intimidators up close and personal (one tried to stop me from entering the Palmer House because Louis was having a little soire)

If Bobby Rush is such a GOD and Civil Rights Icon, WHY is he challenged in almost ALL of hs runs?

He is the Representative of THE Congressional District with THE HIGHEST African American population per centage IN THE COUNTRY??

SAYING THAT "The Little "BOY" (and your point is OBVIOUS) should wait until others die is stupid, and UN-AMERICAN.

ANYBODY can run, regardless of YOUR
criteria". (Whatever THAT is.)

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DPD on January 30, 2007 at 07:19 PM

Posted by Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 07:16 PM

Link? Never. S/He's just here to "push buttons". I find him/her rather amusing for a troll. It really surprises me that a few of us will get sucked in and take him/her seriously. Frosty, you're OK with me even if you're on the wrong side of the aisle.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 07:24 PM

Posted by GregL on January 30, 2007 at 04:56 PM Hey Power of Equality! What do smoking CIGARETTES and doing coke have to do with being obsessive compulsive? For that matter what do the other three have to do with it, either?

I thought he was political consultant or a media consultant. Now I find out he's a psychologist?

Well, that's the last political advice I take from him.

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dorsano on January 30, 2007 at 07:24 PM

There you go, race baiting. Not going to fall for it.
But I'm pretty sure I've done more in African American communities than you and ol' FOS. Or maybe you are respected as a community organizer? Anything? Rev. Jesse Jackson remember YOU?

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:57 PM

Rev Jesse Jackson does not know you two, like he does me, because you two are not real hard-core civil rights activists who have done lots over the last 18 years that would bring you into contact with him at several major events.

You two have never spoken on the same stage with him to a huge crowd because you two are not that type of leader in the social justice movement, or maybe you are, and just choose to let others do the talking?

Why really organize in the streets when you can get in your comfey chairs, and call other Dems names, and post articles to the choir??? Wow, I'm really impressed with your WORKS.

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 06:09 PM

Back.

First of all what in the hell does working in the african-american community have to do with pegging you out for what you have portrayed yourself as to folks??

Secondly, I did not and do not have to work with Jesse to be a civil rights activist. I LIVED the movement and the era! I marched forth into classrooms to integrate in the deep south no less! I watched my parents fret and pray in fear every time I went out the door when 4 little girls were killed in Sunday School! I went with my Great-Grandmother and father to mark her X on a form to register to vote at the county seat! I have sat on the "colored" side of a doctor's waiting room with my grandmother and I have watched my father come from the rear of a ice cream shop with ice cream for his family while whites got their dessert from the front counter!

Don't you EVER tell me I need to be on a stage with a big crowd to have done work with civil rights.

You need to come off the "I've paid some dues" crap because you have done nothing. If you had you surely wouldn't make the comments you do about Obama.

and who is Jesse supposed to be anyway? He's a black activist with an organization, period. I don't need to know Jesse to be an activist.

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J on January 30, 2007 at 07:27 PM

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 05:19 PM I heard Kennedy speak. And I heard Obama speak after the SOTU last week. And Barack Hussain Obama is no Jack Kennedy.

I thought his delivery is better than Kennedy's was actually. And while Jack's speeches were pretty good, Obama writes his own.

You're no Lloyd Bentsen by the way.

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dorsano on January 30, 2007 at 07:30 PM

Posted by *Frosty*theMagnificent on January 30, 2007 at 07:33 PM

So is 21,500 enough, too few, or too many, in your opinion? And seriously, why?

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 07:41 PM

HOLD THE PHONE!!!

Don't close Guantanomo yet. We might need it for this Administrations cronies after what's been coming out of some of these hearings on corruption and other Treasonous acts!!!

I'm counting the years the Repugs lose control of either house and the Presidency for every year they keep supporting this Administration. I have there loses at 40 years so far.

The only way they can hope to recover any credibility would be to Impeach the Chimp, the Vice Chimp and anyone else found guilty of trying to subvert or skirt the Constitution or any other crimes.

"GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK".

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GOTV on January 30, 2007 at 07:47 PM

Posted by *Frosty*theMagnificent on January 30, 2007 at 07:45 PM

Fair enough. It would appear that LTGEN Petreas has the full support of the Senate since he was confirmed unanimously.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 07:55 PM

GEN. BE TRAY US

Probably got a 3rd star with a promise of a 4th along with a million dollar book deal later for his agreeing on this slaughter of our troops to come.

I agree with a woman on cspan the other day calling in and saying if your agree with this immoral war then get youself, your children or any other friend you have thats capable of serving down to the recruiters office so some of the soldiers already serving can get some releif.

NUFF SAID!!!

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GOTV on January 30, 2007 at 07:56 PM

sutton impact:

redrum

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 07:56 PM

Posted by Power_of_Equality on January 30, 2007 at 06:18 PM And when someone here plays into that MSM game, and tries to take us Dems down the primrose path to ObamaNation

Yes, us Dems are grateful that you're teaching us about the MSM game. I never knew it existed, myself. I'm stunned!

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dorsano on January 30, 2007 at 07:56 PM

Posted by *Frosty*theMagnificent on January 30, 2007 at 07:54 PM

Thanks for the link. I'm sure that any fair-minded liberal would want another viewpoint.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 07:59 PM

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 07:24 PM

He usually provides a link if I ask. His sources are mainly right slanted (way right), and that starts a bickering session on it's own.

in your opinion? And seriously, why?

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 07:41 PM

I think I will leave that to the new General, I have no way of knowing what our guys are up against.

Posted by *Frosty*theMagnificent on January 30, 2007 at 07:45 PM

Steve,

He asked your opinion. The new General can't give that answer.

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Esmeralda on January 30, 2007 at 08:02 PM

Posted by GOTV on January 30, 2007 at 07:56 PM

May I respectfully remind all of us that every soldier in Iraq vounteered for service; many after the invasion began in 2002. The whole debacle of the Iraq invasion begins and ends in the Oval Office.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 08:05 PM

Good night fellow Democrats. Good night Frosty. Thanks for the honest answers. You and I won't agree on much but, if we keep the conversation civil, at least we'll know where the other stands.

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BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 08:10 PM

Bob, the confirmation was not unanimous. Nineteen did not vote to confirm.

Fair-minded liberal is redundant.

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fade2bluz on January 30, 2007 at 08:17 PM

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Gore-Clark2008 on January 30, 2007 at 08:10 PM Good night fellow Democrats.

Petreas seems to be a smart guy and one that learns fast. Things have change since he was in Iraq with 82nd Airborne. He had some measure of success early on partly because he went around the Coalition Provisional Authority and Jay Garner.

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dorsano on January 30, 2007 at 08:18 PM

let me be the first tonite to say fuck you sally:

New York, December 20, 2006—Violence in Iraq claimed the lives of 32 journalists in 2006, the deadliest year for the press in a single country that the Committee to Protect Journalists has ever recorded. In most cases, such as the killing of Atwar Bahjat, one of the best-known television reporters in the Arab world, insurgents specifically targeted journalists to be murdered, CPJ found in a new analysis.

Worldwide, CPJ found 55 journalists were killed in direct connection to their work in 2006, and it is investigating another 27 deaths to determine whether they were work-related. Detailed accounts of each case are posted on CPJ’s Web site. The figures reflect increases from 2005, when 47 journalists were killed in direct relation to their work, while 17 others died in circumstances in which the link to their profession was not clear. CPJ, founded in 1981, compiles and analyzes journalist deaths each year.

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 08:19 PM

Posted by fade2bluz on January 30, 2007 at 08:17 PM Fair-minded liberal is redundant.

Good point. I missed that.

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dorsano on January 30, 2007 at 08:20 PM

Like I said if you agree with this war get your b-t down to the recruiters office and releive some of the troops.

I know what the swearing in for service says and what it doesn't say.

It doesn't say to obey an unlawful war.

They didn't sign up for all this extended duties and over work.
The average combat days for a soldier in wwII was 45 days.

You can take any young adult and spin this thing for them but sooner or later they wake up and say I was lied to by the leaders I once respected: Generals, prsidents, law makers, whoever.

It also says you protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States not the President, not the country, etc.

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GOTV on January 30, 2007 at 08:24 PM

Posted by gregg on January 30, 2007 at 08:19 PM

I don't know about playing this game for a millennia, Greg. Can we mix it up a little. Maybe some Sheepshead or poker?

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dorsano on January 30, 2007 at 08:25 PM

Two fer

Lieberman whoring for the enemy, AGAIN...
::
GOP LEADERS have OFFERED A RESPONSIBLE PLAN TO HELP THE PRESIDENT'S NEW IRAQ STRATEGY SUCCEED

January 29, 2007

In Senate hearings last week Gen. David Petraeus testified that reinforcing U.S. troops in Iraq is necessary for the President's new strategy to succeed. The Democrat-controlled chamber then went on to endorse his selection as the new commander of American armed forces in Iraq without a single dissenting Democrat vote despite oft-repeated opposition to the President's new strategy. An editorial in the Washington Post captured the irony

:

"On Tuesday nearly every member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee warmly endorsed Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the new U.S. commander in Iraq, and a number wished him success or 'Godspeed' in his mission. Yesterday some of the same senators voted for a resolution that opposes the increase of troops for Gen. Petraeus's command -- even though the general testified that he could not accomplish his mission without the additional forces and hinted that such a resolution could encourage the enemy."::

Second GOP memo pushes Lieberman as means to attack Democrats on Iraq

A second memo sent to House Republican press staff Tuesday highlights Sen. Joseph Lieberman's (I-CT) comments disparaging Democrats' plans for Iraq troop deployment, RAW STORY has learned.

Combined with a second set of talking points pushed to Republican staff Monday by House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), the email represents a concerted effort to use the former Democrat against his colleagues. Lieberman switched parties to become an Independent after losing the Democratic nomination in Connecticut's Senate race last year. He currently caucuses with Democrats, providing the party the necessary edge to control the chamber.

The talking points follow.

Our Options in Iraq

House Republicans Offer Two-Part Strategy TO HELP THE PRESIDENT'S NEW STRATEGY SUCCEED

January 30, 2007

When it comes to the war in Iraq, the stakes for our country and our military are high. We have two options, and when examined carefully, our choice is clear.

OPTION #1: FAILURE IN IRAQ

Failure in Iraq would bring about disastrous consequences for U.S. security, our interests, and our allies. Failure in Iraq would allow Al Qaeda to emerge stronger and establish safe havens to plot and carry out attacks against Americans and our allies. Failure in Iraq would give Iran free reign to increase its support for Hezbollah and other terrorist groups, and to spread instability throughout the Middle East. Failure in Iraq would pull neighboring countries into an escalating sectarian conflict in Iraq which could devolve into a civil war or a regional conflict. And failure in Iraq would embolden our enemies who seek to destroy Israel.

OPTION #2: SUCCESS IN IRAQ

Success in Iraq will further America's strategic interests to empower moderate Arab and Muslim governments in the Middle East and to deny terrorists a safe haven - not just in Iraq - but throughout the Middle East, striking a significant blow to the efforts of Islamic extremists in a region which serves as a critical source of recruits, funding, and support for global terrorist activities. It will mean a safer, more secure America we all want for our children and grandchildren.

When faced with the realities of these two choices, our only option is success.

The President has laid out a new strategy for success in Iraq and General David Petraeus, who during his Senate confirmation hearing discussed the negative consequences of early withdrawal from Iraq and the encouragement Congressional resolutions of disapproval would give our enemies in Iraq, has been unanimously confirmed by the U.S. Senate to help implement this strategy. But with the growing perception that progress has stalled, House Republicans have offered a two-part plan to help ensure success in Iraq.

The first part is a proposal by Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX) - a distinguished Vietnam War veteran - to ensure the Congress does not cut off or restrict funding for America's troops who are in a combat zone.

The second part is a proposal designed to help Gen. Petraeus successfully implement the President's new strategy by putting pressure on the Iraqi government and holding it accountable for its role in achieving success.

These two efforts are in stark contrast to the Congressional "resolutions of disapproval" - non-binding criticisms of the President and the war - which, as Gen. Petraeus told the Senate last week, harm our chances for success by providing encouragement to our enemies:

SEN. LIEBERMAN: But I want to ask you, what effect would Senate passage of a resolution of disapproval of this new way ahead that you embrace -- what effect would it have on our enemies in Iraq?

GEN. PETRAEUS: Sir, as I stated in the opening statement, this is a test of wills, at the end of the day. And in that regard, speaking purely as a military commander, if confirmed -- albeit one who, frankly, does understand enormously and treasures the value of free and open debate, free speech, who has put himself in harm's way to protect those great features of our democracy -- nonetheless, having said that, a commander in such an endeavor would obviously like the enemy to feel that there's no hope.

SEN. LIEBERMAN: -- a Senate-passed resolution of disapproval for this new strategy in Iraq would give the enemy some encouragement, some feeling that -- well, some clear expression that the American people were divided.

GEN. PETRAEUS: That's correct, sir.

The House Republican proposals explicitly support our troops and the President's new strategy for success in Iraq. What is the Democrats' plan for success in Iraq?

Victory in Iraq is critical to America's strategic interests. The President's new strategy deserves a chance to succeed and it should receive fair and full consideration by this Congress.

Republican Leader Press Office Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) H-204, The Capitol (202) 225-4000 http://republicanleader.house.gov/

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fade2bluz on January 30, 2007 at 08:26 PM

Good evenin ... what's on my mind?

Impeach Da Chimp now and Darth Cheney too.

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rjsnj on January 30, 2007 at 08:26 PM

ooh!

dpd- enjoyed the photo of mr wolfie- have to say i've left the house on more than one occasion with socks like that, but you'd think that if you're going to a mosque or some other situation where you should know that you are going to have to remove your shoes, that you would have enough sense not to look like a complete slob- 'course, it happened once when i went to a dinner that a friend from work was having at his new home- i should have realized, given that they are from india, that i was going to feel obliged to remove the shoes, but just didn't think about it when leaving for work that day and putting on the socks with the holes in them

he's still a sad sack, all in all, not unlike some of the other elitist intellectual snobs that these repugs surround themselves with (mr greenspan comes to mind)

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queencityjefro on January 30, 2007 at 08:27 PM

Pam,

WARNING...previous post might induce vomiting...i've got that taste again in the back of my throat.

where's the vodka?

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fade2bluz on January 30, 2007 at 08:27 PM

A second memo sent to House Republican press staff Tuesday highlights Sen. Joseph Lieberman's (I-CT) comments disparaging Democrats' plans for Iraq troop deployment, RAW STORY has learned.
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So, do we need any further prove that he deserves to be caled Joe Weaselman? Is there any possibility of a recall election in CT for this creep?

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rjsnj on January 30, 2007 at 08:28 PM

the socks were a match, which is better than i do some days...but both toes?

kinda strangely cheap, i'd say, for a world leader to leave home like that....

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fade2bluz on January 30, 2007 at 08:29 PM

"Frosty" nutjobs
by algebrateacher
Sat Jan 13, 2007 at 02:24:58 PM PST

Is there something about the name "Frosty" that makes someone unhinged? Frosty Hardison is an activist in Federal Way, WA, trying to ban use of Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" in the classroom. He's the one who has said that "condoms don't belong in the classroom and neither does Al Gore." His wife, an unsuccessful candidate for the school board, said she thinks the film is anti-America. Then there is Frosty Wooldridge, an anti-immigration activist whose first bugaboo (first of many; the fellow is anti-immigration the way Representative Goode, R-VA, is) is the 1965 Act of Congress legalizing the presence of Cuban refugees from Fidel.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/13/17127/3056

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rjsnj on January 30, 2007 at 08:32 PM

How would you stop global warming?
by Barbara Boxer
Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 12:53:41 PM PST

It's great to be back here at DailyKos -- now in the majority! As we told the country last November, elections have consequences -- and one of those consequences was the change in leadership of the Senate's Environment and Public Works Committee.

I just finished up our first hearing on global warming as the new Democratic Chair of the EPW Committee. Instead of a Chair who says global warming is a hoax, I said today that global warming is the challenge of our generation, and we must step up and meet it.

To that end, I hope you will help me move forward a bill that will be a meaningful start. We have lost so much time, so we must act quickly.

Many people have already offered suggestions to meet the challenge of global warming, and many other proposals are about to be put on the table. But I'd like to hear your ideas on the best way to move forward as well. What ideas do you think we should pursue? Let me know so that I can share your comments with my colleagues in the Senate at our next hearing.

Please click here to rank your preferred approaches to stop global warming now:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/30/122911/670

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rjsnj on January 30, 2007 at 08:33 PM

dors we can always go to double decking it.

and i will bring my monopoly game.

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gregg on January 30, 2007 at 08:33 PM

Getting Out of Iraq: What Congress Can Do
by mcjoan
Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 01:15:22 PM PST

In today's Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Congress's Constitutional power to end the Iraq War, Senator Russ Feingold announced:

Tomorrow, I will introduce legislation that will prohibit the use of funds to continue the deployment of U.S. forces in Iraq six months after enactment. By prohibiting funds after a specific deadline, Congress can force the President to bring our forces out of Iraq and out of harm’s way.

This legislation will allow the President adequate time to redeploy our troops safely from Iraq, and it will make specific exceptions for a limited number of U.S. troops who must remain in Iraq to conduct targeted counter-terrorism and training missions and protect U.S. personnel. It will not hurt our troops in any way – they will continue receiving their equipment, training and salaries. It will simply prevent the President from continuing to deploy them to Iraq. By passing this bill, we can finally focus on repairing our military and countering the full range of threats that we face around the world.

Senator Feingold is facing the reality that the American people and Congress must deal with:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/30/122911/670

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rjsnj on January 30, 2007 at 08:34 PM

Anti-War Marches Draw Hundreds of Thousands
By Aaron Glantz
Inter Press Service

Sunday 28 January 2007

Washington - Peace activists from across the United States gathered in Washington Saturday for what they said was the largest demonstration to date against the Iraq war.

"It's time for a new day," the Reverend Jesse Jackson told what organisers estimated as a crowd of 500,000 demonstrators gathered outside the halls of Congress on the National Mall.

"We do not need more troops in Iraq, we need more money at home," Jackson said. "We need a vision of hope over fear, of preparing smart children not smart bombs. A vision realising that right makes might; might does not make right."

The demonstration, which was pulled together by an umbrella group called United for Peace and Justice, also featured speeches by a half dozen antiwar Congresspeople.

Among them was a founder of Congress' "Out of Iraq Caucus," Maxine Waters, a California Democrat, who pledged not to vote "one dime for this war."

Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson also spoke, as did actors Jane Fonda and Sean Penn, members of the National Organisation for Women and other feminist groups, members of the United States military and veterans groups opposed to the war, and representatives of organised labour.

"The American people spoke loudly in the November election, removing from office many of those who shared President Bush's wrong-headed thinking," Fred Mason, head of the Maryland chapter of the AFL-CIO, a major umbrella trade union, told the crowd. "The new Congress has a responsibility to the American people to end military involvement in Iraq and bring our troops home now."