John McCain

Live-Blogging the GOP Debate

Posted by Michael Link on May 3, 2007 at 06:19 PM

Tonight, as the Democratic Party live-blogs the Republican presidential debate in the chat window below, you can join the conversation by adding your own comments to this post.

Join your fellow Democrats in the comments, and let the fact-checking begin. Need some help? Consult our new online resource center for the GOP candidates.

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UPDATE: We're done! Full transcript below (after the jump).

[07:42 pm] Stephanie: I'm so ready!
[07:43 pm] Mike Link: Hello world
[07:45 pm] Mike Link: While you're waiting, you can get your debate bingo card here, thanks to Campaign for America's Future.
[07:48 pm] DNC War Room: Thanks to the great Internet team, the war room is online and ready to go.
[07:49 pm] Josh: Just for fun, they should let Ron Reagan Jr. ask a question...
[07:49 pm] Stephanie: One of the television commentators on MSNBC said, "They don't look all that excited." It must be difficult to stand on that podium with the president at 28% approval rating.
[07:50 pm] Mike Link: They're still talking about candidates that aren't in the race. Sounds like nobody's happy with the current GOP crop.
[07:51 pm] Stephanie: Arianna Huffington called it "a longing for leadership" by the GOP.
[07:51 pm] Josh: I'm glad this isn't on NBC proper -- the TiVo has to catch The Office at 8:30. Much better TV, I'm sure...
[07:52 pm] DNC War Room: Thanks to the great Internet team, we're ready to go here in the war room.
[07:53 pm] Josh: Keith, I'm not sure "first Olympic organizer president" counts for much...
[07:55 pm] Stephanie: Wow. "Conservatism on trial."
[07:57 pm] Josh: Bet: McCain's temper will get the best of him and he'll awkwardly snap at someone tonight, quite possibly Chris Matthews.
[07:57 pm] Stephanie: Chris can take it.
[07:59 pm] Josh: Another bet: my embarrassingly poor ability to spell anything will be on full display without a spellchecker on this live blog thingy.
[08:01 pm] Stephanie: Okay, here we go...
[08:02 pm] Mike Link: Matthews: "The candidates position on stage was chosen randomly." Will that position change throughout the debate?
[08:04 pm] Stephanie: Giuliani seems jumpy. I wonder if it’s because he hasn’t had to debate in a decade.
[08:04 pm] Mike Link: Matthews: "The candidates position on stage was chosen randomly." Will their positions change throughout the debate, like they usually do?
[08:05 pm] Josh: Just a reminder...
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-ir aq-stroll/
[08:06 pm] Mike Link: Funny, McCain said things were on the "right track" March 1st, 2006
[08:08 pm] Mike Link: Romney using the Bush line on polling...
[08:08 pm] Stephanie: Should we keep track of how often they try to invoke Ronald Reagan?
[08:12 pm] Josh: Suits and silk ties? What's he wearing right now?
[08:12 pm] Josh: And, as President, isn't he asking to make those same decisions. Presumably wearing a suit and silk tie.

At least he got his rehearsed cliche in early...
[08:13 pm] DNC War Room: quick flashback to Rudy's first answer: he talked about how NYers weren't happy when he came into his office -- they weren't happy later on either:

Flashback To August 2001 – Half of New Yorkers Wanted Different Mayor. Between August 1999 and August 2001, Giuliani’s approval rating surpassed 50% only once. An August 2001 poll showed that Giuliani was essentially tied with any Democrat in a hypothetical re-election. Six years into Giuliani’s term, according to an April 2000 poll, 60% of New York City voters saying they viewed Giuliani unfavorably, with only 26% viewing him favorably. [New York Times, 4/7/00, 8/15/01]
[08:13 pm] Stephanie: Gilmore just referenced Reagan...
[08:13 pm] Stephanie: For those keeping track.
[08:15 pm] DNC War Room: we're not sure what Romney thinks leadership is...but I doubt that most people think it means reversing your position on, well everything.

Syndicated Columnist Deroy Murdock: Romney A Reagan In Reverse. Romney "is either a rock-ribbed conservative who played a Rockefeller Republican to get elected in Massachusetts, or a limousine liberal portraying a conservative to win the 2008 GOP nomination. This fine thespian has lost himself so thoroughly in both these roles that no one really knows where the performer ends and the characters begin." [Union Leader, 2/16/07]

Richard Cohen: Romney "Thoroughly Counterfeit," Making Himself Up As He Goes Along." "[T]o watch Romney on the show was to see a thoroughly counterfeit man. If he were a coin, a vending machine would spit him out." [Washington Post, 2/20/07]


Boston Globe: Romney Shops for Policies to Serve Ambitions. "Like the successful venture capitalist he is, Romney shops around for opportunities, making strategic investments in the offices, policies, and states that best serve his ambitions." [Editorial, Boston Globe, 2/14/07]
[08:15 pm] Josh: Ron Paul -- against the war in Iraq, and, apparently, against the Civil War in 1860.

[08:15 pm] Josh: errr...1861.
[08:18 pm] DNC War Room: McCain Drew Fire Again When He Sang About Bombing Iran. When asked about sending a message to
Iran at a campaign stop in South Carolina, McCain joked about bombing the country, singing the chorus of the
Beach Boys classic ‘Barbara Ann.’ “That old, eh, that old Beach Boys song, bomb Iran, Bomb, bomb, bomb,
bomb, anyway, ah.” [Associated Press, 4/20/07]
[08:19 pm] Stephanie: Ron Reagan...courtesy Giuliani.
[08:19 pm] Stephanie: Ron Reagan...courtesy Giuliani.
[08:22 pm] Josh: McCain somehow answers a question about immigration by talking about bin Laden.

Matthews, confused, moves on.
[08:24 pm] Josh: Ouch...Schwarzenegger's Presidential hopes shot down by all but two...
[08:25 pm] Stephanie: Ron Reagan..thanks Romney!
[08:26 pm] DNC War Room: Rudy On Iran...guess he's learned about the issue?

Giuliani Did Not Know If Iran or North Korea Were Further Along With The Development of Nuclear Weapons. “At a house party in New Hampshire, Mr. Giuliani suggested that it was unclear which was further along, Iran or North Korea, in the development of a nuclear weapons program.” [New York Times, 4/7/07]

Editor of Foreign Policy Magazine To Giuliani: Read The Newspaper. An editor of Foreign Policy Magazine noted Giuliani’s “embarrassing goof” where “Giuliani suggested that it was unclear which was farther along, Iran or North Korea, in the development of a nuclear weapons program.” Editor Blake Hounshell wrote, “For the record, North Korea tested a nuclear device on October 9, 2006, while the Iranians have yet to do so. The U.S. intelligence community believes Iran could have a nuclear weapon as early as 2010, but most likely in the time frame of 2012-2015…. Alternatively, he could just read the newspaper every once in a while-lots of important information in there.”[Foreign Policy Passport, 4/9/07, http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/4321]
[08:26 pm] Mike Link: Huckabee previously: "I don't try to get into the middle of the science of global warming."
[08:27 pm] DNC War Room: Gilmore...


Gilmore: said no link between greenhouse gasses and global warming.

But In March 2001 Gilmore stated that “…there is not a solid link between greenhouse gases in that warming or at least human conduct and industrial conduct in that warming. But on the other hand, I think other people are presenting different kinds of facts as well. I'm open to it. I know the president certainly is. It's a proper thing to examine. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions based upon old ideology. And I think that's what the previous administration did. [Fox News, 3/16/01]
[08:28 pm] DNC War Room: Rudy's exaggerating on crime again


Crime Fell During Kelly’s First Tenure During Dinkins’s Administration. Crime started to fall under Dinkins administration. FBI reports, based on police records, showed that reported crime fell about 15 per cent from 1990 to 1993, falling in all seven categories measured. In 1992, the number of reported homicides dropped 7.4 per cent from 1991, dipping under 2,000. Also, under Dinkins, New York City hired more cops [The Guardian (London), 10/14/03; Newsday (New York), 3/23/02]
[08:29 pm] Stephanie: Giuliani: "It would be okay" to repeal Roe v. Wade.
[08:30 pm] Stephanie: Research team, I'm sure you've got something on the Rudy flip-flop here...
[08:31 pm] Mike Link: as a candidate for mayor and only a few years ago, Giuliani repeatedly described himself as pro-choice, and that his positions on public funding, parental notification and other issues has changed
[08:31 pm] Stephanie: Oh, and here comes the Romney flip-flop on choice...
[08:32 pm] Mike Link: Romney: Reagan was a flip-flopper!
[08:32 pm] Stephanie: "Awfully politically convenient" says Matthews.
[08:32 pm] DNC War Room: I guess Rudy finished his flip flop on choice...he said a while ago: “I never called for the overturning of Roe against Wade. I said I believed it was not a correct legal decision.” [Newsday, 9/1/89]
[08:32 pm] Josh: The Office is starting right now, and I'm sure it's much more entertaining...
[08:33 pm] Stephanie: Do you think that "Michael" from The Office will mention Ronald Reagan tonight?
[08:33 pm] DNC War Room: more info on the Mitt flip-flop on choice:

1994: Romney Said He Had Been Pro-Choice Since 1970, Supported The Codification of Roe v. Wade. Later in 1994, Romney said his record of supporting abortion rights dated back to his mother's 1970 Michigan campaign for the US Senate, three years before Roe v. Wade, and criticized NARAL for calling him “a great pretender” on the abortion issue. “I don't think it’s NARAL’s position to say who’s pro-choice and who's not pro-choice,” Romney said. “I joined my mother in 1970 when she said she was in favor of legalizing abortion. I guess they’d say she wasn't pro-choice because we didn't have those items to vote for.” The Globe reported, “Romney said he supports the codification of Roe v. Wade abortion rights as law. Romney said he supports requiring parental consent for minors to obtain an abortion, though he thinks the Massachusetts law, which requires two-parent consent (with a provision for judicial bypass), might be ‘extreme.’” [Boston Globe, 10/12/94]
[08:33 pm] Stephanie: Cause everyone else is...
[08:34 pm] DNC War Room: more Rmoney:

October 1994: Romney Said Abortion Should Be Kept Legal. While running for Senate in 1994, Romney said that “he became committed to legalized abortion after a relative died during an illegal abortion. The Romney campaign later said that the relative was the sister-in-law of Romney's sister, who died in the late 1960s as a result of the botched abortion. The disclosure came after Romney, who said he is personally opposed to abortion, was asked to reconcile his personal beliefs with his political support for abortion rights. ‘It is since that time that my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want but we will not force our beliefs on that matter,’ Romney said.” He said the abortion made him see “that regardless of one's beliefs about choice that you would hope it would be safe and legal. Romney has said repeatedly he believes abortion should be kept legal but said he believes states should be allowed to decide issues of parental consent and Medicaid funding.” [Boston Herald, 10/12/94]
[08:35 pm] Mike Link: McCain likes the Senate, where he can ramble on and on and on.
[08:35 pm] DNC War Room:
Giuliani Flip Flipped On Public Funding of Abortions Six Times, Including Four Times In 24 Hours. In March 2007, Giuliani’s campaign told the Christian Broadcasting Network and the National Review Online that he supported the Hyde Amendment, which since 1976 has banned federal funding for abortion except in cases of life of the mother, rape and incest. However, on April 4th, Giuliani was asked directly by CNN’s Dana Bash if he supported the use of public funding for abortions and Giuliani said “Yes” and said he would “probably” keep that position as president. “The [Giuliani] campaign noted later in the day [on April 4th] that the former mayor would not seek to make any changes to current law, which restricts federal funding to cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother.” But then on April 5th, Giuliani said again he favors the public funding of abortion. At 11:30 am, AP reported, “Giuliani today defended his record of personally opposing abortions but still favoring the use of public money for the procedures.” However, at 12:45 pm, The National Journal’s “Hotline On Call” shared a brand new e-mail from the Giuliani campaign claiming that “Rudy would not seek to change current federal law which provides federal funding for abortion only in cases of life of the mother, rape and incest.” [National Review Online, 4/9/07; Hotline on Call, 4/5/07; AP/Fox21, 4/5/07, CNN Political Ticker, 4/4/07, 4/5/07, National Review, 3/1/07]
[08:36 pm] Stephanie: Ronald Reagan...ding!
[08:36 pm] DNC War Room: Research Director Mike Gehrke just pointed out that no one except the commentators has mentioned "Bush" and we're well over a third of the way done.
[08:39 pm] Mike Link: So the Bush vs. Reagan ratio is what now?
[08:40 pm] Stephanie: I've lost count.
[08:43 pm] Stephanie: Gilmore is dodging and weaving the Karl Rove question.
[08:46 pm] Josh: Sorry, Hunter...
[08:46 pm] Mike Link: Brownback talking about ethics, but "The Federal Election Commission fined Brownback’s campaign and his in-laws who had given more then ,000 over the legal maximum by illegally routing their contributions through a network of PACs."
[08:47 pm] Stephanie: He hopes to "lead by example."
[08:48 pm] Mike Link: And Tancredo, on the topic of ethics now.... but he violated a self-imposed term limit pledge
[08:49 pm] Stephanie: Ron Reagan...courtesy McCain.
[08:49 pm] Josh: How many times has McCain told that story?
[08:50 pm] Stephanie: Reagan, again. McCain, again.
[08:51 pm] Mike Link: McCain and Pork: a love story.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/03/mccain_hel ps_to.php#more
[08:53 pm] Stephanie: Now Giuliani is saying that he respects a woman's right to choose. He just switched positions all in the same debate.
[08:53 pm] Stephanie: Ronald Reagan...Thompson.
[08:54 pm] Stephanie: Giuliani just said that a woman has a right to choose. So he just switched positions...in the same debate.
[08:55 pm] Mike Link: "McCain's hesitancy about joining [Senator] Kennedy on the same issue they worked together on in the previous Congress," the Boston Globe reported, "speaks to an emerging dynamic in the Republican presidential race."
[08:58 pm] Josh: "Tell Mrs. Reagan she's wrong. To her face. In the Reagan library."
[08:59 pm] Stephanie: Can the camera PLEASE cut to her right now?
[08:59 pm] Stephanie: Notice no one is referring to Reagan right now...
[09:01 pm] Josh: McCain, on stem cells, realizing time is winding down, awkwardly fits in that he was a POW. Thanks, John.
[09:01 pm] Mike Link: Wall Street Journal: Romney’s Health Plan Will Lead to Higher Taxes, More Government Intervention. “[Romney’s health insurance] law is far from the market-based approach the Governor claimed… the state is forcing people to buy insurance many will need subsidies to afford, which is a recipe for higher taxes and more government intervention down the road.”
[09:03 pm] Mike Link: Romney said he didn't raise taxes, but he earned a C on Cato Institute report card b/c he raised 0 Million in Fees.
[09:03 pm] Stephanie: McCain is now supporting making the tax cuts for millionaires permanent.
[09:04 pm] DNC War Room: McCain flip-flop on Bush tax cuts...now he's for them...but

2001, 2003: McCain Was Against Bush’s Tax Cuts. In 2001, Congress passed “the first major tax cut in two
decades and gave President Bush a speedy victory on the top priority of his administration. … McCain was one
of two Republicans to join “the majority of Democrats against” the tax cut package. In 2003, McCain said on
the floor of the Senate, “I cannot in good conscience vote in favor of tax cuts,” as “no one can be expected to
make an informed decision on fiscal policy at this time with so many uncertain contingencies.” McCain called
on Congress to pause before passing tax cuts, saying, “Let us wait…it is far sounder statesmanship than cutting
taxes in the dark, or running up spending[.]” [Baltimore Sun, 5/27/01; Statement, 3/18/03]
2006: McCain Voted For Bush Tax Cuts. “The Senate voted 53-47…in favor of extending the president's
investor tax cuts on dividends and capital gains. Joining in this breakthrough vote was John McCain, the senator
who voted against these tax cuts when they were introduced in 2003. This is an important shift for the GOP
presidential frontrunner[.]” McCain’s vote was described as “a sharp reversal of his anti-tax-cut posture,”
[New York Times, 2/21/06; Washington Times, 3/6/06; Washington Times, 2/27/06]
[09:06 pm] Stephanie: They all sound a lot like Bush right now.
[09:09 pm] Stephanie: McCain: "I would appoint billionaires to the Cabinet."
[09:11 pm] Josh: McCain: I believed in evolution until those other guys raised their hands and said they didn't.
[09:15 pm] Mike Link: Giuliani should know his weaknesses. They were listed on that memo he lost on a plane with Charlie Crist.
[09:18 pm] Mike Link: http://www.icasualties.org/oif/
TOTAL WOUNDED - 24,314
[09:24 pm] Mike Link: McCain, on Meet the Press: "I think it's easy in hindsight to make a judgment. But I do know at the time that many of us, or the overwhelming majority of us as well as the American people saw a young woman whose life was going to end, whose parents and brothers and sisters wanted to care for her. That's what I think made it so compelling. So in hindsight, perhaps we shouldn't have. At the time, I understand the emotion, all of us. Who was not moved by seeing the films of this woman, young woman?"
[09:27 pm] Stephanie: McCain just hit two of the bingo answers: "Alito" and "Roberts."
[09:28 pm] Stephanie: It still astonishes me how closely he aligns himself with Bush--a president with 28% approval rating.
[09:29 pm] Mike Link: Uh-oh... harsh words.. will mccain have to apologize to Cheney again?

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalti cker/2007/02/cheney-mccain-may-apologize-to.h tml
[09:34 pm] Mike Link: Olbermann: criticism, but not by name of Bush
[09:34 pm] Stephanie: Well, in closing, I just have to say that whether they like it or now, the Republican Party is the party of George W. Bush today.
[09:34 pm] Stephanie: Goodnight, folks!
[09:35 pm] Mike Link: Fineman: Rudy failed. Romney calculated. McCain was "Popeye?"
[09:35 pm] Josh: Night!
[09:35 pm] Mike Link: Goodnight
Comments (185) «

Whoo hoo! I'm excited!

1
Adogg on May 3, 2007 at 07:58 PM

What a caste of motley characters ...

2
rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:00 PM

Debate!

3
MichaelLink on May 3, 2007 at 08:00 PM

I wonder if people will wonder if Fred Thompson has lost a lot of weight?

4
SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:03 PM

Wow, Nancy Reagan sure looks old!

Some of these guys I never even heard of before.

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:03 PM

Hope during a war that will never end for generations?

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:04 PM

And there isn't chaos now?

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Kim on May 3, 2007 at 08:06 PM

I thought that I'd be able to sit here and watch this junk...but I feel like I'm going to throw up...sorry...

8
lyates on May 3, 2007 at 08:06 PM

McCain doesn't sound very hopeful just angry with Bush.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:06 PM

support the truth.like that is even a answer.

10
fluffnduff on May 3, 2007 at 08:06 PM

Hunter sounds like he's going to play with a bunch of toy Iraqi soldiers moving them around just the way he wants.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:08 PM

will we hear Ron Reagan all nite from all of them?

12
factoryqueen on May 3, 2007 at 08:09 PM

yeah, brownback

a number...a small number of people that are with us

egypt and pakistan....um. bad examples

contain and confront

sounds rehearsed

still incredibly stupid

13
fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:10 PM

two people asking questions? what happened to brian williams and his jaguar on Nantucket shore?

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fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:11 PM

"We will work with those who will work with us"

....but none of the Iraqis will work with us. None of them want to be associated with foreign occupiers. And even the Saudis have decided we are useless in Iraq.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:12 PM

They all sound so shrill! They all are in love with this war! All Rubber Stampers, all bush boot lickers.

Only one of them said, take a Vote of Iraqis, if they want us to leave, we should leave.

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:12 PM

Hey guys, what station is carrying this debate?

17
Gwen on May 3, 2007 at 08:12 PM

We will hear Reagan, God and Jesus.

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Kim on May 3, 2007 at 08:12 PM

Who is Gilmore?

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:13 PM

Hey guys, what station is carrying this debate?

20
Gwen on May 3, 2007 at 08:13 PM

I must say, their stand on the war is much more rational than Reid's and Pelosi's. Those 2 are making us look soooo bad

21
MaryA on May 3, 2007 at 08:13 PM

Ya do it right and murder another 1,000 of our marines

22
mrantibush on May 3, 2007 at 08:13 PM

I must say, their stand on the war is much more rational than Reid's and Pelosi's. Those 2 are making us look soooo bad

23
MaryA on May 3, 2007 at 08:14 PM

Ron Paul will make it harder for the rest of the guys tonight

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fluffnduff on May 3, 2007 at 08:15 PM

Hey guys, what network is carrying this debate?

25
Gwen on May 3, 2007 at 08:15 PM

Posted by Gwen on May 3, 2007 at 08:12 PM

The Ronald Reagan network.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:15 PM

Gwen-----


MSNBC

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:15 PM

Hunter sounds like he's going to play with a bunch of toy Iraqi soldiers moving them around just the way he wants.
****

Are they serving Hunter glazed chicken after the debate?

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:16 PM

i'd like to trip wire lardball and take my special thermometer to get the temperature in iraq

29
fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:17 PM

Gilmore is not a govenor but a former one and low life one @ that...

30
Thelma on May 3, 2007 at 08:17 PM

Which network is carrying tis debate?

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Gwen on May 3, 2007 at 08:17 PM

I wonder if people will wonder if Fred Thompson has lost a lot of weight?
****

Hunter has some glazed chicken for him if he is hungry later ...

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:18 PM

he has to see Ronald Reagan, how many is that?

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fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:19 PM

Gilmore is not a govenor but a former one and low life one @ that...
****

Gilmore, who's that? Is that like Happy Gilmore, the GOP hockey player ... what a bunch of losers.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:19 PM

Are all the questions going to be about war and starting new ones.

Well, I suppose they are the generational war party.

How long has Reagan been out of office? Do Generation X and Y know who he was? Do the care?

35
SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:20 PM

Rudy can't answer a question directly.

36
nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:20 PM

How come nobody has boldly said they will be the commander if they are president? Why are they holding back?

37
Adogg on May 3, 2007 at 08:20 PM

Romney says Shias and Sunnis are Jihadists????


what bullshit!

38
PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:21 PM

Everyone wants to see Fred Thompson and all we get is Tommy?

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:21 PM

Thompson sounded best on Iraq. Gilmore was ok. The rest are liars and idiots

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:21 PM

politico.com

this is all about one person? the Democratic pitch?

he is gonna pay and he will die...spoken like a saint

41
fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:21 PM

I'm glad McCain is acknowledges he is going to Hell. He can follow bin Laden there for all I care.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:22 PM

They don't want to say the "wrong" thing. It will be used against them. No guts.

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:22 PM

peace?

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gael on May 3, 2007 at 08:22 PM

In the running contest for Stupidest Statement of the Night (SSOTN), Howard Fineman takes an early lead, gushing about "the regality of the event."
****

I think Howard Fineman's head has sprung a leak.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:23 PM

what about the tens of thousands of death orchestrated by Bush and cheney

46
mrantibush on May 3, 2007 at 08:23 PM

They are all afraid of Arnold. He's a better candidate than any of them.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:23 PM

After watching these guys no wonder we are in such mess.

48
DayZ on May 3, 2007 at 08:24 PM

ahhh, Rudy, all ya got is NYC ?!

Then WHY are the NYC Police and Firefighters all Protesting against you???

49
PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:25 PM

From kos:

McCAIN: Should have decided against wearing the candy cane tie. Looks awful.
****

McWindVane is always good for a laugh ...

So, did anyone ask him when his next shopping trip in downtown Bagdhah is?

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:25 PM

duh duh duh these people have a basic script

51
nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:25 PM

gosh i love america

ronald reagan, bingo

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fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:25 PM

Guiliani translation: "Sorry, I just don't like blacks."
Romney translation: "I love America. It allowed my grandpa to have 5 wives. Cool."

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:25 PM

Posted by PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:21 PM

Pam,

This is going to get us out of Iraq? He insults their religion and calls them all terrorists. We already have one Republican in the White House who doesn't know the difference. Why do we need another?

54
SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:27 PM

Oh, oh. Hunder is a compasionate conservative "like Bush" Watch out Iraq.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:27 PM

How about responses in regard to the Unitary Executive rather than drumbeats for Iran.

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tw3k on May 3, 2007 at 08:28 PM

Sounds like they all want to Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran!


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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:28 PM

From kos:

McCAIN: Should have decided against wearing the candy cane tie. Looks awful.
****

Agree. Romney should pick out a new one for him. I think I bought one from him at Nordstrom last week.

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gemme on May 3, 2007 at 08:28 PM

ronald reagan, bingo
****

Channeling Reagan ... hmmm, spiritualists report that Reagan said "the heck with all of you neocons. you are on your own!"

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:29 PM

Paul: Get rid of IRS and get rid of gov'ment.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:29 PM

bye bye, jane roe

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fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:29 PM

From KOS:

TANCREDO: Manages to answer a question without mentioning "Mexico," "a wall," or "immigration." Stutters a lot, not ready for prime time.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:30 PM

Abortion.....they love the unborn, they do not want to help the born.

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:30 PM
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tw3k on May 3, 2007 at 08:30 PM

Sounds like they all want to Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran!
****

LOL ...

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:30 PM

GOP policy: Full gov'ment intervention from fornication to birth, after that, ta hell with em.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:30 PM

so all these nuts are anti wowmen and abortion..I am going to puke

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mrantibush on May 3, 2007 at 08:31 PM

it's okay for government to intrude on that decision now...says Mitt

Ronald Reagan...bingo

68
fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:31 PM

I NEVER heard of any states planning Cloning!

romney remains Distorting.

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:32 PM

Men must be really good at studying women's decisions.

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Kim on May 3, 2007 at 08:32 PM

Oh, oh. Hunder is a compasionate conservative "like Bush" Watch out Iraq.
****

Yep, he believes in locking up everyone without Habeaus Corpus as long as they get their honey glazed chicken.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:32 PM

More killing in Iraq, dead fetuses, starting new wars

These are the tenets by which we will be ruled for the next four to eight years? Now that's the optimism that we all are looking for.

Is McCain still there? I haven't heard him in 10 minutes.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:32 PM

Romney has studied at great length. Beats Bush.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:32 PM

Republican Required Positions:
"I hate abortion."
"I love killing foreigners"
"Liberals hate America"
Missionary only.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:34 PM

Abortion.....they love the unborn, they do not want to help the born.
****

That's the ownership society for you. As soon as you are born you owe everything to GOP crooks ...

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:34 PM

Giuliani is tap dancing on all of his flip flops. Does anyone really know where he will stand on any issue by November, 2008?

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:34 PM

I think McCain is OD'ing on pep pills.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:34 PM

All white, all male. Do you see a demographic trend?

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:35 PM

WHY is MNSBC touting Reagan so much? Like he walked on water or something?

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:35 PM

Is McCain still there? I haven't heard him in 10 minutes.
****

He's composing lyrics to his next single:

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Syria

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:36 PM

Oh my God, these guys are falling over themselves to praise the second stupidest president in American history.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:36 PM

lets sit on a hill....?? ok

McCain is showing his youth and vitality....uh huh

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:37 PM

He's looking for new threats to unite the country?

Whoever he was? I can't keep them straight. But maybe that's OK. They all agree that death is the way to celebrate life.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:37 PM

Darn, I wish they didn't sound so good.

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MaryA on May 3, 2007 at 08:37 PM

Does anyone really know where he will stand on any issue by November, 2008?
****

More like where he will be kneeling ... namely behind James Dobson's posterior.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:37 PM

Darn, I wish they didn't sound so good.

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MaryA on May 3, 2007 at 08:37 PM

Oh my God, did he just say that people can fire people because they are gay?

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Kim on May 3, 2007 at 08:38 PM

Thopson: I believe in a business' right to fire Tom Foley

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:38 PM

He's looking for new threats to unite the country?
****

Yep, just like any neo-con-artist.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:39 PM

What year is this debate taking place in?

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Kim on May 3, 2007 at 08:39 PM

If an employer decides he doesn't want to hire a gay...or a black or woman is that OK with you?

Sure.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:39 PM

Tommy thinks each company should decide if they can fire gays? That seems really fair.

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:39 PM

Romney: America is a country that celebrates diversity.
Thompson: Fire all homos.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:39 PM

well fellow demos I am afraid the Republician Dung Heap has gotten too deep for me. Time to switch to Netflix

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mrantibush on May 3, 2007 at 08:40 PM

These guys have all been studying the book "Republicanism for Dummies". Every single one with the same Rhetoric, same slant, same sick Ideas ! Can you even imagine one of these guys as the Leader of the Free world?

YUKKKKKK

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:41 PM

Yes, Kim, he did.

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Stephanie on May 3, 2007 at 08:41 PM

From KOS:

McCAIN: Jesus. He makes Dole '96 look young and connected to reality. He wants to be president to smite our enemies, or something.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:41 PM

THOMPSON: Employers should be allowed to fire gays for being gay.
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Yep, he actually said it. Another fine example of GOP thinking!

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:42 PM

Romney's American values:
Pro Choice on paying taxes
Pro War
Pro business
Pro poverty
A positive message for once.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:42 PM

I think its a republican principle to ignore gays. Don't ask, don't tell.

On the other hand, they want to brag about their religious beliefs....

What would Jesus do with a gay employee? I would like to see that question....

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:42 PM

Duncan Hunter must be a hell of a carpenter after building that 700 mile fence.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:43 PM

What's up everyone. I'm a little late.

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bedwards87 on May 3, 2007 at 08:43 PM

They have faith in everything but government...so why do they want to be President?

They govern on faith because they can do anything right on their own.

God helps those who help themselves, boys?

Where are their women and minority candidates? This groups like the old Soviet regime.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:43 PM

Republican Debate Open Thread / Live Blog II: The Reaganing
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Tee, Hee, Hee ... great title. It's like a horror movie:

The Reaganing

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:43 PM

Oh, Oh, they are all afraid to say they wouldn't hire Karl Rove over their dead bodies!!!

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:44 PM

Duncan Hunter must be a hell of a carpenter after building that 700 mile fence.
****

I hear he cooks a killer honey glazed chicken.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:45 PM

Don't any of these guys agree with Reagan's immigration amnesty program? They wouldn't support it today?

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:45 PM

Ok tommy. What a good guy. Does he attract you?

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:46 PM

Thompson: "I still have a very high popularity appeal" Not among gays, fella.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:46 PM


Where are their women and minority candidates? This groups like the old Soviet regime.
Posted by SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:43 PM

In the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, Sandy!

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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:46 PM

Thompson:

I vetoed and cut taxes more than anybody in history. I'll be just as incompetent as Bush.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:47 PM

They are supporting it Sandy, it was supposed to be a one-time deal

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MaryA on May 3, 2007 at 08:48 PM

They govern on faith because they can do anything right on their own.
****

They govern on faith because they don't have a clue ...

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:48 PM

Let's ask Giuliani should comment on a good family - ask if his kids are talking to him.

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Kim on May 3, 2007 at 08:48 PM

Tancredo: As long as you believe in your heart what you say you can get elected. Not if your heart is black, Tommy.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:49 PM

In the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, Sandy!

Posted by PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:46 PM

Somehow I don't see Hillary Clinton that way.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:49 PM

See John speak fast...he's not old, he can speak fast!


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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:49 PM

I, too, have heard all I need to, to know we must make sure none of these guys get elected!

Heading out.

If this doesn't make us all fight for a Democratic Candidate harder, nothing will!

G'night all...........


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PamB on May 3, 2007 at 08:49 PM

McCain's pep pills are wearing off. He's moved on to the DT phase.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:50 PM

Tweety just gave McCain the cane. Turn off his microphone?

Well, we see who rates with Lardball.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:50 PM

Republican Debate Open Thread / Live Blog III: Rise of the Reagans

****

The horror show continues ... it's like a nightmare, it gets worst and worst ...

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:51 PM

What this debate is missing is a big dose of pomposity. Where's Newt?

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:51 PM

BROWNBACK: We're not any more corrupt than Dems, 'cause someone had cash in their freezer once. And I believe in the family.
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Is that where the Duke and Ney kept it?

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:52 PM

So Huckabee was a C- student, too? And proud of it.
Just what this country needs...another doorknob to lower the standards in education.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 08:52 PM

Which of these guys are wearing Depends. McCain for sure. I vote for Romney and Hunter as well. Guiliani isn't wearing underwear.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:52 PM

too early how many more of my felow sailor and soldiers need to die before these people get it?

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eric620 on May 3, 2007 at 08:52 PM

arghhhhhhhhh reagan reagan....

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:53 PM

The Reaganing

Posted by rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:43 PM

good one

tommy is channeling reagan and the uniter

this is a horror flick

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fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:54 PM

Republican Debate Open Thread / Live Blog III: Rise of the Reagans
by Trapper John
Thu May 03, 2007 at 05:47:30 PM PDT

I can't do this much longer.
****

Trapper John, no one could!

These guys just aren't that bright ... but they are that crooked.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:54 PM

Tancredo wants to take things away from the political debate. Heil Tommy!

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:55 PM

yeah, no panty line

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fade2bluz on May 3, 2007 at 08:55 PM

Duncan spent the day at the tanning booth-he looks good.

Tommy should have gotten a good haircut.

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 08:57 PM

yeah, no panty line
****

Does Rudy have his wig with him?

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 08:58 PM

Matthews: "Gov. Gilmore, what would you do about all these women who are being putin jail for non-violent crimes?"

Gilmore: "F*** 'em"

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 08:59 PM

tommy...tommy....don't kill an embryo...we need them for our wars

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 09:00 PM

McCain's a radical. He supports alleviating human suffering.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:00 PM

GILMORE: Tries to remind folks that he was Governor of VA on 9/11. Somehow, I don't think he's gonna cut into Rudy's hero status.
****

Here I was thinking he is a hockey player turned golfer as in Happy Gilmore ... there are no happy GOP-ERS just crooked ones.

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 09:03 PM

We are good men all here...

That's right. You are all good fellas like in the Bush crime family.

I've seen enough, too. None of them are Reagan or Goldwater Republicans. None of them ever heard of Nelson Rockefeller. What good are they for the country?

They don't see any problems except getting all Americans to obey the dictates of the American Taliban...and giving up their Social Security to the Wall Street speculators.

These guys are a bunch of pandering incompetents just like the one that's in the White House now. Cheney and Rove would eat them alive and then spit them out when they were done with them.

I don't want a perpetual shadow government run by Cheney and his NSA with another dumb frontman doing photo opps instead of solving problems.

We can do better than this.

I'm leaving to fix dinner before I lose my appetite.

Good night, all.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 09:04 PM

HUNTER: Acknowledges the existence of global warming. !
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Yes but does he like his honey glazed chicken barbecued or broiled ...

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 09:05 PM

the 4 "f" plan. Too bad we didn't think of that.

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nobrownback on May 3, 2007 at 09:05 PM

Romney thinks no tax or interest on capital gains is a middle class benefit. Figures for the son of a former CEO of an auto company. If you work for your money, screw you.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:05 PM

Where are these guys going to get their money for the wars they want to fight?

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:06 PM

Brownback is out of his f***ing mind.

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Jacko on May 3, 2007 at 09:08 PM

Dr. Paul is the only one that is even marginally connected to reality. And he's senile.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:08 PM

We can do better than this.
****

I concur. It's not a doubt.

GOP - what a bunch of losers, screwballs, weasels and crooks.

BBL

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rjsnj on May 3, 2007 at 09:09 PM

You're wrong Jacko. Brownback lost his mind a long time ago. He doesn't have one to be out of.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:09 PM

Roney wants to build a group of people to strengthen the American family. Please, Mitt, stay away from my family.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:11 PM

You know it's bad when they have to reeeaaaccchhh all the way back to Reagan for something seemingly good to brag about

=======

Don't have the show on, tried to download flash, using Mozilla 2.0.03, but it wouldn't download, hung at 97%. Therefore, I'm commenting on what I read.

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davidual on May 3, 2007 at 09:13 PM

These guys should compare nostril hair to determine which one is the truest conservative. Anyone who plucks is a friggin' liberal, right?

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:14 PM

I'm back...I couldn't help it.

I love it. All but McCain raised their hands saying they don't believe in evolution....these are the men that will lead us in finding new technologies in the 21st century to compete with the rest of the world?

McCain is crazy, but he makes more sense than any of the rest. It's a shame he doesn't know what he believes anymore.

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SandyH on May 3, 2007 at 09:14 PM

DOn't believe in evolution: Brownback, Huckabee, Tancredo

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Adogg on May 3, 2007 at 09:16 PM

Huckabee on GOP corruption: "Stop shipping jobs overseas."

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:16 PM

McCain used to have his own brain, but Bush wanted to know what one looked like, so Frist took out McCain's brain to show it to Bush and Bush dropped in the mud. This was 1999, I think, maybe 2000.

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davidual on May 3, 2007 at 09:17 PM

Tancredo doesn't believe in the right to kill other human beings. Except Mexicans, Iraqis, Iranians, etc, etc. What a moral guy!

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:17 PM

On evolution: McCain just didn't hear the question. Or he didn't get the latest memo.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:18 PM

Sandy, it wasn't McCain's fault, he did hear the question, too much buzzing in his ears from all of that peace in Iraq. He's probably still thinking of those carpets he picked up; five bucks wow!

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davidual on May 3, 2007 at 09:21 PM

Yep. The debate has so far convinced me that the ten are all one and the same. All Bush cronies, all far-right.

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Jovan on May 3, 2007 at 09:21 PM

GOP: Free Scooter Libby. Freedom for all traitors.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:22 PM

Dr. Paul is in the wrong party. Did he get lost on the way to the adult day care center?

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:23 PM

Pelosi 07!

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tw3k on May 3, 2007 at 09:25 PM

What kind of bullshit question is this?

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:26 PM

Paul is old skool. at least he would restore the Constitution.

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tw3k on May 3, 2007 at 09:27 PM

Alito and Roberts don't legislate from the bench? Please.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:28 PM

How would I be different from Bush? The answer is easy. "I'd read."

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:28 PM

Huckabee - Honor the 10th Amendment, except on abortion.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:30 PM

Terry Schiavo? Scooter Libby? WHY ARE THESE REPUBLICANS NOT BEING ASKED ABOUT ANY ISSUES THAT AFFECT MILLIONS OF FAMILIES DIRECTLY -- health care, education -- ones, I might add, on which the majority of the American people are overwhelmingly against them?

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Adogg on May 3, 2007 at 09:30 PM

GOP is the party of traitors.

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Jovan on May 3, 2007 at 09:31 PM

Thompson would allow Iraqi's to elect their own leaders? What were all those purple thumbs about?

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:31 PM

Is Nancy Reagan younger than McCain?

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:32 PM

Is it a good thing to have Bill Clinton back in the white house? What the .... kind of question was that? Let the Republican Slam Debate begin! I guess they had to give all of them a chance to hit Hillary.

Besides Hillary's attempt at health care reform was not socialized medicine. They just showed again who their big contributors are; the health, and insurance industry.

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davidual on May 3, 2007 at 09:34 PM

Wow. So that was fun. Heh.

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MichaelLink on May 3, 2007 at 09:36 PM

GOP candidates:
I go to church.
I hate liberals, homosexuals, feminists, foreigners
Elliminate all taxes.
Vote for me.

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danielghelton on May 3, 2007 at 09:43 PM

Transcript is up!

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MichaelLink on May 3, 2007 at 09:47 PM

Mike, is it over? Of course it's over, dummy (me), it was over before it started. Oh, man that's all they've got? They don't have one idea between all of them, except the usual GOP talking points. But it's not the same world, is it?

Dang, I wish I had some fried chicken. Don't know why just crossed my mind. Thanks for Good Times mike, steph and josh. (Good Times watching a Republican Slam Debate, man I need a life). Haaah

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davidual on May 3, 2007 at 09:47 PM

Possible names for the anti-choice 10:

Kim Gandy and Martha Burk calls them American Talibans.

Ellie Smeal, Nancy Keenan and former first daughter of Texas Cecile Richards call them misogynists.

I call them misogyists, American Talibans and male chauvinist pigs.

What do you think they should be called?

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Jovan on May 3, 2007 at 09:51 PM

i couldn't bring myself to watch. i turned it on for a second and it looked like a commercial for barney's of new york.

did they all really raise their hands to affirm they don't think the theory of evolution has been proven? all except mccain?? did this include rudy??? someone tell me this is not true.

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gregg on May 3, 2007 at 09:53 PM

The five uncouth male judges (Alito and Roberts included) all legislate from the bench. Time and time again, these strict constructionists all legislate from the bench. They don't even know the constitution.

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Jovan on May 3, 2007 at 09:57 PM

Good Evening,

One quick thought. I agree with the Republicans. Their Presidential candidates really do suck. We are so going to win in 2008.

Good Night.

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I am seriously concerned about our ability to win in 2008. Comparing the Republican debate to the Democratic debate is as different as comparing apples to Oranges. During the Democratic debate, Most of the questions were softball; no real issues or substance was gotten from that debate. The strongest candidate During, that debate, by far was Hillary Clinton. Obama,who I am a huge supporter of was not even an issue. I like Hillary and I do not think she has the ability to win not because she doesn't know the issues or because she would not make a good president, but because she is such a polarizing figure. People either like her or dislike her. On the Republican side. Most of the candidates seemed well versed with the issues and showed great compassion in their positions, no matter how misguided it may have been. To be frankly honest, these war mongering fools cleaned our clocks. We have two choices either to stop messing around and get serious about winning this thing or beg Al Gore to become a candidate. The Democrats need to turn it up a notch get serious about the issues and focused on policy changes. Romney is who I am really concerned about.

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theWatcher on May 3, 2007 at 10:37 PM

Which one was Romney? Honestly, I couldn't tell the difference between any of them them except McCain. Even Giuliani blended in with the pack when he was trying to explain his abortion flip flop.

Was Romney the one who was for bombing Iran but against evolution? Or the one who was for a national ID implanted in everyone's ear but against hiring gays?

Matthews asked questions too fast and cut everyone off before their time was up. I got the feeling he couldn't wait to get this thing over with. Considering who he had to work with, it was probably for the best.

My husband thought that the the cast from "Airplane" had crashed their plane in the middle of the audience. Was that the biggest distraction and most unnecessary prop of all time or what?

One almost expected Leslie Nielsen to walk off the plane and ask Mrs. Reagan if he was still in Kansas.

"Auntie Em, Auntie Em. Do they still teach evolution in Kansas?" "How can women abort babies if they are delivered by the stork?"

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SandyH on May 4, 2007 at 12:16 AM

Why does the story below keep showing up on all the Republican candidate pages on the site?

Dean: Democrats Support Comprehensive Immigration Reform
May 1, 2007

Can someone let the webmaster know? Thanks.

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MelGX on May 4, 2007 at 12:57 AM

MelGX, that story mentions Romney, Giuliani, and McCain. That's why it's in those sections. It isn't on the other candidate sections.

(Yep, I'm still up...)

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MichaelLink on May 4, 2007 at 01:08 AM

Morning Dems. I think I have a hang over from all the fowl air from last night's debate. What a gathering of cast outs. I'm off to work; fire away.

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salutetheDems on May 4, 2007 at 07:14 AM

Same ol' same ol' -- a bunch of old white guys who pander to the richest, the dumbest and the most religious demographics.

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skiddum on May 4, 2007 at 07:41 AM

skiddum, they should have all dressed up al la rudy in his new york days and done some sort of broadway show along the lines of " the producers "...as it was it seemed to be an ad for barney's men store.

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gregg on May 4, 2007 at 07:56 AM


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