I'm so sick of Bush! Every time he opens his mouth nothing but more lies come out! He refuses to accept any responsibility for the mess he has created. He needs to be removed from office now before he makes more problems for us to clean up. I wish he would just resign and go to Paraguay and the safety of his mercenary army down there that our taxes have paid for!

You'd think that he'd keep track of his lies better than that.
That's a Republican sociopath for you.

ME TOO. I AGREE. HEY GOT SOME EVEN MORE NEWS. TOO MUCH TO RETYPE, WOULD MAKE THE MESSAGE TOO LONG. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/drunken_driving_deaths

You won't believe the statistics over the last few years. You know, I hope you read it. 15,000+ people a year die in the US from drunk driving crashes only per year. that averages out at 41+ people a day, every day, die in the USA from drunk drivers. Pretty shocking. Makes the deaths in Iraq look miniscule.

Posted by Free4all on August 22, 2007 at 11:00 AM

no it doesn't

there have been hundreds of THOUSANDS of innocent iraqis, civilians, soldiers, contractors KILLED in Iraq.

and MILLIONS have had to flee

I thought we were worried about american lives. You mean you guys are worried about iraqis?

Where do you get your figures. You say hundreds of thousands?

I knew when he came in office that this country would be dealing with his baggage about Vietnam. He was always upset that we pulled out.He thought that Nixon had it right.Well, he has joined Nixon in the poll approval ratings and all I can tell you is w hears what he wants to hear.I believe from the time he stole the election he believed he was going to show America how to do it right from his point of view.

Bush has his nerve standing in front of the VFW speaking about anything regrading people who have served in any US war.

He was a draft dodger during the Vietnam war just like Bill Clinton. His family got him in the air national guard and he never finished that obligation.

We never learn as a nation. We have elected loosers from Ronald Regan forward, including Bill Clinton. No ethics, no integrity, and no morals. That is why the religious right has had a field day.

They can't leave the gays alone and the country allows people like Ann Coulter to spread her poison. Wake up and take a stand against all of these people.

Which GOD? UP, or DOWN? UP=Construction, Peace, Love & Freedom---DOWN=Destruction, Chaos, Hate & Tyranny.

The Signs Show BUSH is Following the GOD of Destruction, LOOK at the signs!

"I believe that God wants me to be president." -- George W. Bush
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"I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany," --Hitler - Berlin March, 1936
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God is not on the side of any nation, yet we know He is on the side of justice. Our finest moments [as a nation] have come when we faithfully served the cause of justice for our own citizens, and for the people of other lands. -- George W. Bush
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If we pursue this way, if we are decent, industrious, and honest, if we so loyally and truly fulfill our duty, then it is my conviction that in the future as in the past the Lord God will always help us. -- Adolf Hitler, at the Harvest Thanksgiving Festival on the Buckeburg held on 3 Oct. 1937
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"freedom and fear, justice and cruelty have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them." -- George W. Bush
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"Never in these long years have we offered any other prayer but this: Lord, grant to our people peace at home, and grant and preserve to them peace from the foreign foe!" -- Hitler - Nuremberg Sept. 13, 1936 (prayer)

http://tinyurl.com/usq4x

The following religious quotes are from Adolph Hitler's book, "Mein Kampf":

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated." -- Adolph Hitler "Mein Kampf" page 562

"For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other. For in Germany to attack the special characteristics of a denomination within the religious schism we already have with us, necessarily leads to a war of annihilation between the two denominations. Our conditions permit here of no comparison say with France or Spain, let alone Italy. In all three countries, for example, a fight can be preached against clericalism or Ultramontanism, without running the risk that in this endeavor the French, Spanish, or Italian people as such will fall apart. In Germany, however, this may not be done, for here it is certain that the Protestants would also participate in such a movement. And thus the resistance, which would elsewhere be carried on only by Catholics against encroachments of a political nature by their own high clergy, immediately assumes the character of an attack of Protestantism against Catholicism. What is tolerated from members of the same denomination, even when it is unjust, is at once sharply rejected at the outset, as soon as the assailant belongs to another creed. This goes so far that even men, who themselves would be perfectly willing to correct a visible abuse within their own religious community, at once change their minds and turn their resistance outward as soon as such a correction is recommended, let alone demanded, by a source not belonging to their community. They regard this as an unjustified and impermissible, nay, indecent attempt to mix in matters which do not concern the party in question. Such attempts are not pardoned even if they are justified by the higher right of the interests of the national community, since today religious sentiments still go deeper than all considerations of national and political expediency. And this is in no way changed by driving the two denominations into an embittered mutual war, but could only change if, through compatibility on both sides, the nation is given a future which by its greatness would gradually have a conciliatory effect in this province as elsewhere." -- Adolph Hitler "Mein Kampf" pages 562-563

"I do not hesitate to declare that I regard the men who today draw the folkish movement into the crisis of religious quarrels as worse enemies of my people than any international Communist. For to convert the latter is the mission of the National Socialist movement. But anyone in its own ranks who leads it away from its true mission is acting damnably. Whether consciously or unconsciously is immaterial, he is a fighter for Jewish interests. For it is to the Jewish interest today to make the folkish movement bleed to death in a religious struggle at the moment when it is beginning to become a danger for the Jew. And I expressly emphasize the words bleed to death; for only a man without historical education can imagine that with this movement today a problem can be solved which has defied centuries and great statesmen." -- Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" page 564

"For the rest, the facts speak for themselves. The gentlemen who in 1924 suddenly discovered that the highest mission of the folkish movement was the struggle against 'Ultramontanism' did not break Ultamontanism, but tore apart the folkish movement. I must also lodge protest against any immature mind in the ranks of the folkish movement imagining that he can do what even a Bismark could not do. It will always be the highest duty of the top leadership of the National Socialist movement to offer the sharpest opposition to any attempt to drive the National Socialist movement into such struggles, and immediately to remove the propagandists of such an intention from the ranks of the movement. And, actually by autumn, 1923, we succeeded entirely in this. In the ranks of the movement, the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another. And yet, in these very years, the movement carried on the bitterest fight against the Center, though never on religious, but exclusively on national, racial, and economico-political grounds. The results spoke in our favor, just as today they testify against the know-it-alls." -- Adolph Hitler "Mein Kampf" pages 564-565

"In recent years things have sometimes gone so far that folkish circles in the God-forsaken blindness of their denominational squabbles did not even recognize the madness of their actions from the fact that atheistic Marxist newspapers suddenly, when convenient, became advocates of religious communities, and tried to compromise one or the other by bandying back and forth remarks that were sometimes really too stupid, and thus stir up the fire to the extreme." -- Adolph Hitler "Mein Kampf" page 565

"Especially with a people like the Germans, who have so often demonstrated in their history that they were capable of waging wars down to the last drop of blood for phantoms, any such battle cry will be mortally dangerous. In this way our people has always been diverted from the real practical questions of its existence. While we devoured each other in religious squabbles, the rest of the world was distributed. And while the folkish movement considers whether the Ultramontane peril is greater than the Jewish peril or vice versa, the Jew destroys the racial foundations of our existence and thus destroys our people for all time. As far as this variety of 'folkish' warriors are concerned, I can only wish the National Socialist movement and the German people with all my heart: Lord, protect them from such friends and they will settle with their enemies by themselves." -- Adolph Hitler "Mein Kampf" page 565 (prayer)

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"No, there is only one holiest human right, and this right is at the same time the holiest obligation, to wit: to see to it that the blood is preserved pure and, by preserving the best humanity, to create the possibility of a nobler development of these beings." -- Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" page 402

"A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape." -- Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" page 402

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -- Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" page 65

The above religious paragraphs are from "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle") authored by Adolph Hitler. Hitler spoke of God as Lord and Creator, "Mein Kampf" pages 402-405, Religion pages 266-269 & Gods will pages 562-563. The BUSH administration is coming against the Moslems (brown people), like Hitler came against the Jews and the imperfects-- doing the work of the Lord.

Hitler was deceived by Satan, as the Bush administration is deceived by Satan. Impeachment of the Satanic Bush administration is imperative to the health of the United States as a whole nation. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, so one has to verify one's intentions with the words of Jesus, if the works do not match the words of Jesus, then whatever is being done IS NOT THE WILL OF GOD. Jesus the Lord IS GOD.

Free4all:

Why not worry about Iraqis? The Iraqis did not do anything at all to deserve an onslaught of war upon them; and for that matter, neither did the people of Afghanistan. The Saudis squatting in Afghanistan were reason enough for BUSH to completely destroy Afghanistan, but let the Saudis get away. Could it have had anything to do with the need to build an oil pipeline through to the Caspian Sea? I think so. Saudis from Saudi Arabia are the Arabs the United States is suppose to be fighting, but never in Saudi Arabia, and for some reason these Saudis manage to get into Iraq to fight, but never a problem with Saudia Arabia; because the whole war was trumped up from the beginning, even to the demolition of the World Trade Center's three (3) buildings being an "inside job" causing the destruction of our own citizens. But what's a few thousand citizen sacrificed for the rewards of billions of dollars profit to the Corporate Elite's Military Industrial War Complex. Check out the mysteries of the 9/11 attack, the BUSH Story won't stand up to physics:

http://www.911weknow.com/911-mysteries-movie.html

Also, Alex Jones http://ksgfaculty.harvard.edu/Alex_Jones info:
http://www.martiallaw911.info/insidejob1.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/200606scientificanalysis.htm

And a CBS NEWS report:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/21/terror/main3190960.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3190960

Do you believe President Bush made his case to stay the course, by drawing parallels between Iraq and the Vietnam War, I thought we lost that war... ------> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=374

THIS WAR IS NO DIFFERENT THEN ANY OTHER WAR. THEY ALL KILL PEOPLE. WHAT IS MATTER WITH A COUNTRY THAT WILL NOT STOP KILLING PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS WAR ARE SICK. EVERYDAY I THINK OF THE CHILDREN, HUSBANDS AND WIFES OF ALL COUNTRIES THAT ARE BEING KILLED. I'M SO TRIED OF THIS THIS STUPID WAR FOR OIL AND POWER. NOW THEY WANT TO ATTACK IRAN.
THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNTIL THEY HAVE KILLED EVERYBODY FOR OIL AND POWER.

It seems that this really bothers you. Why is it that you always bring the oil into it. It is the general public in the USA that is constantly driving the thirst of oil. So all of you with vehicles are only helping the cause then. If you want to believe it is about oil, go ahead.

Martha A; you spend too much time infront of the TV and newspapers and in front of the ole website monitor. If you feel so much about the poor sweet inocent Iraqis and afghanis, jump on a plane and check it out instead of just believing all the privileged people on TV. It is easy to do what you are doing. Just jump on a Keyboard.

Speaking of few thousand citizens, what about the 500,000 iranians killed in the Iran Iraq war. No one knows how many Iraquis. Who is speaking out for the Kurds (7000) when they were gassed in 82, wiping out 90% of the city. And you know, what about the Kuwaitis that were raped torchured mutilated etc. What about Qatif in Saudi when it was raided by the Iraqis. What about Israel when the Skuds were raining down on them from Iraq. Yeah, them poor ole Iraqis. The only innocent people in this hole thing is the normal law abiding persons in Afghanistan, but that is not too many because 90% of em are growing either poppys for Heroin or making hash. Yes, WHAT ABOUT THEM POOR OLE PEOPLE? I have forgotten more about this region that you will ever know. So take your goody two shoes and keep on preaching it. You guys make me happy that I believe the way I do, because believe me there are a bunch of strange ones like you out there.

Once again, the Bush administration continues the old switch and bait routine in an effort to keep the American public confused. That is how they got elected, re-elected and have managed their affairs since obtaining office. It is simply mind-boggling that Bush would even utter the words "Viet Nam" in the same sentence as Iraq. It's a slap in the face of all Americans but most of all to those who served in Viet Nam, who do not wish the same quagmire on the men and women now serving in Iraq. So my question is: Has the other greatest mistake made by the American government become an excuse for this president to continue the even greater mistake that he made when choosing to invade Iraq? That's not acceptable.

It's the Swiftboat strategy.

To regain support for the Far Right, which has also been drifting away of late, the White House is throwing them the old bone that Vietnam could have been won if we had just stuck it out.

They're so desperate now that they would rather divert attention to another failed war rather that discuss the current quagmire. It's not going to work.

Bush is preaching to the same old Swift boat choir. The other 73% of Americans want this thing to end. And they would rather not deal with Vietnam all over again either.

Keep up the good work, Karen Hughes. You are just making Vietnam relevant to the younger generation who didn't know anything about it...but they will now.

It is sad to see you guys so worked up and disappointed.

You know, life keeps going on. You guys really need to loosen up. Worrying this much and bringing this much anquish to yourselves will give you ulcers, and most likely a heartattack

Life is only so long, and after that, well there is this six foot hole they put you in and all is lost, so instead of worrying about all of the others that you personnally have no control over, what was that ole disco sond "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY".

I have bugging you guys for long enought. I guess I will let you get your sanity back, and let your blood pressure drop, while I think up of more names to call myself, that way I can come on here and iritated you all some more.

I was called Free4all, japset, texannsaudi, and so many others I can't remember. You deleted me everytime, but as arnold said in terminator "I'LL BE BACK"

HEY LEFT WING, YOU ARE CORRECT.

EVEN THOSE IN KUWAIT ON 91. OH AND WTC, IN 93 AND AGAIN IN O1. YES YOU ARE CORRECT. THEY HAVE BEEN SO MISTREATED. I CAN REMEMBER WITH THE IRAQUIS AND THE PALESTINIANS WERE CELEBRATING IN THE STREETS WHEN THE PLANES FLEW INTO THE WTC. DID YOU FORGET THAT. IT IS AMAZING YOUR MEMORY OF THE NEWS. REMEMBER ONLY WHAT YOU WANT TO. ANYWAY, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ON HERE, AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE YOU A BUNCH OF CRAP. i AM NOT UNHAPPY BY THE WAY. i TYPE THIS WITH A BIG FAT SMILE ON MY FACE

LOST VIETNAM? WE WON THAT WAR. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO OVER THERE AND LOOK. THEY ARE SLOWLY PULLING THEIR WAY BACK INTO THE 20 TH CENTURY, AND WITH A BIT MORE WORK WILL MAKE IT INTO THE 21ST. WE DESIMATED THAT PLACE. IT IS YOU GUYS THAT SAID WE LOST IT. I WAS THERE 2 YEARS AGO AND IT HAS IMPROVED, BUT IT IS STILL WAY WAY BEHIND, WITH MANY PROBLEMS

hEY TANK

AS LONGS AS GAYS STAY AWAY FROM ME, i LIKE EM. THEY COME NEAR ME PUSHING THEIR STUFF ON ME, THEN THEY GET A KNUKLE SANDWICH. NOW GET TWO LESBIANS AROUND ME GETTING IT ON, OOOH LA LA. HOLD ME BACK BOYS

Since he brought it up, maybe someone should ask bush about his Vietnam war experiences. The military law (UCMJ) says if you are AWOL more than 30 days during a war. You are a deserter and will be coutr martialed and can be shot. We all know that bush and cheney are cowards. I always like the neo-con comparison between the son of a single mother on a Rhodes scholarship and bush drinking in AL as draft doggers. Repugs have to be proud of that because they always point it out. I believe impeachment is too good for a deserter. What right did this coward and desterter have sending anyone into war? Especially a war of lies.
To a more serious note for all the neo-con lovers on this site that have nothing better to do than waste our time. If you think repugs are close to God then Google Bohemian Club and read. Martha points out the comparison between bush and hitler because EVIL doesn't have a soul and doesn't care about the cost of human lives. Power and death is what they are good at. So read about your fearless leaders and who they worship. The Bohemian Club isn't just a good ole boy secret meeting. Find out who they worship!!Ask your friends if they ever heard about the Bohemian Club. Its been around for many years and most repugs have never heard of it. To be patriotic, you should be spreading the truth about the members of the Bohemian Club.

Study: War blamed for 655,000 Iraqi deaths

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

from cnn and dated 2006

Does the President not realize that Secretary of State Kissinger, the same person whom the press says this administration is also consulting, told the Chinese that America would be comfortable with a Communist South Vietnam while our soldiers were still dying? There is ample evidence that he also wanted the Vietnam War continued for the elections. Maybe the two wars are alike. Also, we were not bombing South Vietnam. We did bomb Iraq with consequences for the civilian population. We were driven from Vietnam because we did not bomb China, which was supplying arms to North Vietnam. We should have learned like England, France and Germany had to, that you cannot occupy an entire country. We put the Sha in Iran and he could not hold the country. Iran,Russia and China are supplying weapons to Iraq. We are paying for this misadventure. Iraq probably would have been our allies against Iran-the were run by different tribes.

vietnam2 has it right, Bush is a deserter, and should have been in Fort Leavenworth in the Disciplinary Barracks (military prison) instead of being allowed destroy our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and crap on the military the way he is doing.
The VFW needs to hand its head in shame at even allowing him to mouth his prevarications at their function.
The only excuse that I can see is that like other mainstream veterans' organizations, including the American Legion of which I am a member, are so top heavy with WWII and Korean War Veterans that they have no clue what is going on and support Bush out of misguided and ill informed "patriotism".
It's patently sickening when outfits that are supposed to help veterans support the very enemies of the Constitution and of our military.
There is a remedy, and that's for younger veterans of this "War" of Lies to join these organizations and wise people up, move into leadership positions, and stand up for the rights and welfare of our soldiers, and for our Constitution.
Bush needs to be impeached, indicted, and imprisoned for his crimes.
Send Bush to Leavenworth, the civilian prison that's right outside of Fort Leavenworth, and the rest of his cronies with him!
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!!

japset:

Talk about living in a daydream world, as a Right Wing toadie.

Do you think a few skuds shot at Israel deserved the U.S. destruction of the whole country of Iraq? You seem hardened to the death of others, which is an affliction of the Right. Don't you think the sovereign nation of Israel should have been allowed to handle their own problems? Israel neither asked the United States to bomb Iraq into oblivion, nor did Israel request the assistance of the United States to deal with Israel's scud missal plight. The United States took it on their own to solve their own resource problems by controlling the resources away from the countries that had resources, as they always do. War to the Right Wing is the easy way out -- just take what you want and say to silly people like yourself that it is for democracy, when the last thing on the mind of the controllers of this war is democracy for Americans, much less Iraqis.

Iran and Iraq are historical enemies. The BUSH administration should not have gotten involved in trying to occupy an Arab nation, as the BUSH administration has made a bad situation worse. In the BUSH administrations quest for oil, Iran's enemies have all been silenced by the United States. Something you do not like to hear, but resources is the name of the war game, pull your head out of your behind and do some historical research. Start with reading Howard Zinn's historical work, "A Peoples History of the United States".

See, you still dont get Martha A. I notice you only brought up the israeli statement. Did you mention the Kurds, the Iranians, the Kuwaitis or the Saudis.

You guys see only what you want to see. You are the ones with blinders on. READ the statement, because as soon as I read the first two lines of yours, I did not read anymore. You are not thinking before you right. Nothing personal.

Hey Butthead, how ya doing?

Hey MarthaA

I read a little bit more of what you cut and paste on here. Your philosophy means well, but it needs to realistic. I is amazing how all of you talk about another Vietnam, and if you read you history books, it was a Dem that got us into that one.

And as normal this is alot like vietnam in some ways. An enemy that will not come out and fight and hides behind civilians, that also is being supported by other nations and their ideologies. Booby traps, mines, killing their own, you get the point. We have all seen it on TV. Am I for war, no. I know youre not. I am for peace just like the rest of the nation. Actually I would say about 99% is for peace. There is a time that peace is achieved through war. Maybe it is this time and maybe it is not. I am not going to pretend that I know all the answers. What ever comes out of Washington will either be for me or against me. If it is against me, I will fight. I am not on this earth to fight the wars of others. However, I can state my feelings and vote for the way I want and the way I feel. You can like it or you can lump it. so while all of you are so correct with your feelings, remember one thing, you have not benefitted me in the least. So if you can come on here and preach what ever you want, so can I. I am here only to give you guys hassles because you are lost in a world of hatred. You are the flip side of that coin, and regardless how you feel, fueling the fire. Reps don't want to listen to you and will do exactly the opposite of you even if you are right because of things you have stood for in the past that has effected them. And the shoe is on the other foot there too. So clean up your act a little, and maybe you will get more Reps to side with you. To make a long story short,

until you get your act together on taxes I will never vote Dem again. I know the same for many.

bugsbunny with a japset hat:

Have your read "A Peoples History of the United States" by historian Howard Zinn? You really need to read this book.

The Iran and Iraq War was funded by the United States, so the United States was not concerned about dead Iraqis.

The United States provided the gas to kill the Kurds, so it certainly wasn't the United States concerned about Kurd deaths.

The United States only saw a need to defend Kuwaiti oil reserves, and at that time it would have been a great time to take out Saddam Hussein, but there were extenuating circumstances that unfortunately remained extenuating circumstances for the BUSH administration -- too bad the BUSH administration did not have sense enough to realize there were extenuating circumstances. Now the BUSH administration has the United States bogged down in a civil war.

The United States needs to pull all our troops out of Iraq and go home, we can buy oil from the winner, the United States should not continue trying to take the Iraqi's oil away from them. Why do you think private enterprise is funding so many mercenaries in Iraq, duh -- private enterprise is not looking for reasonable profit, private enterprise is trying to take obscene profit from the Iraqi people with their forced contract for oil. If the Sheites win, so be it, BUSH has helped the worm to turn on the Sunnis, -- and the Saudis will go home.

bugsbunny:

I would say what you are talking about was an extention of World War II left over from Eisenhower, that Kennedy inherited, as did Johnson.

Apparently you have been sold on Right Wing propaganda. Can you say binary emotional rhetoric? Do you know what that is? It's propaganda, duh, and you have bought it. Did you get that wisdom for the church?

bugsbunny:

The Vietnam War was an extension of World War II when Republican Eisenhower was president, that was passed down to Kennedy and then to Johnson. The Viet Nam War certainly didn't originate with Democrats and should never have happened.

It appears you are caught up in Right Wing propaganda. Can you say binary emotional rhetoric, do you know what that is? Its propaganda, duh. You were taught all about binary emotional rhetoric and propaganda in the church, weren't you? The right wing churches are where conservative right wing extremists hold schooling for propaganda, confidence without merit,and the like, isn't it? Guess what, propaganda and confidence without merit isn't working as well as it used to for the conservative right-wing nuts. Democrats have caught on to the right wing's scheme and no longer take the right wing seriously in their "Pinky and the Brain" schemes to take over the world.

Hey MarthaA, how have you been? Haven't seen you for ages! It's great to have you back!

Martha

I am amazed that you don't remember history as you learned in Jr. High. Let me refresh you.

Your Glorious FDR whom declared war on Japan, for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbour, got us in to WWII. Now if the Vietnam war is an extension of WWII, wouldn't you think that FDR got us into Vietnam. Now if you don't agree with that, lets take it one more step. Lets imagine FDR did not get us into Vietnam, then Truman must have because he did not bring the War to a close in Vietnam. Now if you don't agree with that and want to throw it onto Eisenhower, how can it be a continuation of WWII? Cause WWII was over in 45. Eisenhower didn't get into office until 53. But lets also carry it one more step. JFK sent the first advisors into Vietnam. Johnson Esculated the war.

And one thing I don't know if you are aware of, the US provoked Japan at attacking us at Pearl Harbor. I believe it was 1938 the US put Steel and petroleum embargos on Japan, which brought about the attack on Pearl Harbour. So, if you wanna get down to it, FDR started WWII and the Vietnam war. You said it, several paragraphs up

Pinky in the brain, you been smoking too much wacky tabacky. By the way in case you are not aware of it, FDR was president in 38.

now on to some of your other "comments". If I have been sold on Right wing Propoganda, then there you go. The dems have not done a very good job at keeping this info out of the history books. You need to go back to the 8th Grade and study some more.

One more comment, regardless if you believe we went into Kuwait for the oil or not, come to Kuwait and tell them that. The Gas that Hussein used on the Kurds may or may not have been used on them. But the Iraqis had gas from the US, the Soviet Union and in the end, they were deveolping it themselves. By the way, where is that gas now? We didn't find it. the UN didn't find it, and the Iraqis cannot account for it. Now if they don't have it and we cannot account for it, where is it. Has the thought of Syria or Iran come to your mind, which we know both have ties to Al-Quaeda. Makes you think don't it?

I would respond quicker left wing but you guys don't let me stay on here long enough and kick me off. Practicing the Bill of rights I see

Also since you have let me on again, in another name. A joke for ya. Have you seen the new KFC lunch special? it is called the "Hillary Special". It comes with four chicken pieces, "Two fat thighs, small breasts and a left wing".

Now back to basics.....Ok Ex Leftist wing.....You ain't bitch slapping me. You guys can bet rowled up some can't you. You take this crap to personal. Anyway, you dems talk about how we show discrimination against women, minorities, gays etc. But aren't you doing the same when you talk about Pakistan and Saudi? you said in two different discussions above.

I wish I could argue with some one that was consistent

You need to review a little bit before you just type away. You can't win an argument that way. Now, Perplexed Leftis wing........are you still showing descrimination against Pakistan and Saudi, similar to the Reps with women and gays. You said it above. Please be consistent with your remarks. You need to think before you type

Wait a minute! How did FDR get us into WWII, if we were negotiating in good faith with the Japanese, whose representatives were also negotiating in good faith because their government "forgot" to tell them that there was a sneak attack planned. The Japanese negotiators actually heard about Pearl Harbor the same way the rest of America did, hearing US radio broadcasts. They received a secret message about the sneak attack several hours after that.
Therefore, FDR did not get us into WWII, the Japanese government of the time did.
As for the steel and petroleum embargoes on Japan, they were put in place exactly because the military government of Japan was starting to make imperialistic moves against its neighbors, taking over and raping the country of Korea(in more ways than one) and starting a war against China.
Viet Nam was an antecedent of WWII and was actually a very warm part of the Cold War. It was an extension of the Communist expansion started by Russia, and was part of the next step after the take over of China. The West panicked, the French couldn't hold on to Indo-China of which Viet Nam was a part, and we took over the war from them to keep Communism from spreading throughout the Pacific Rim. The Communists parlayed Vietnamese nationalism coupled with Vietnamese disgust at their extremely corrupt government into a winning hand, and we were left holding the dirty end of the pungee stick.
So we cut our losses. The only parallel between Viet Nam and Iraq that I can see, is that the population is against us and the best thing we can do is cut our losses while we still have a military left, and it's going downhill fast.
We started a unilateral war against a country for some unknown, to the American People, reason and went off on a tangent when we should have stayed the course in Afghanistan and finished what we started which was clearing out the Taliban and arresting Bin Laden and helping the Afghanis rebuild their country, which years of the war that the Russians had started, destroyed.
That would have gone a hell of a long way toward improving our security, maintaining our military so that we could respond to any outside threats (real not imagined) and gaining the support of many in the Muslim world.
As of now we have blood on our hands, egg on our faces, and shit over both our country's reputation and our Constitution, which is the basis of our government.
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MESS???
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO IMPEACH BUSH/CHENY AND START CLEANING UP THIS MESS????
WE DESERVE BETTER GOVERNMENT THAN THE WANNABE THIRD WORLD DICTATORSHIP WE'VE BEEN SADDLED WITH!!!

lilbopeep, japset or bugsbunny:

I see you can remember history a little, but you REPUBLICANS leave out your own involvement.

World War II was started by Adolph Hitler, a political conservative, September 1, 1939. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_World_War_2_start -- FDR couldn't have started World War II as World War II was already going on, the United States just had not entered the European war until Japan attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941. Japan was an axis power allied with Germany, therefore the United States Congress [both Democrats & Republicans] declared war against the axis powers of Germany, Italy and Japan.

World War II was a HOT War that developed into the COLD War with the USSR, China and Indo-China. Indo-China: Ho Chi Minh's forces, aided by the USSR and the NEW Chinese Communist government fought French and pro-French Vietnamese forces to a standstill and captured the strategic Dienbienphu Camp in May 1954. The Geneva Agreements divided Vietnam in half pending elections [never held] and recognized Laos and Cambodia as independent. The U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a REPUBLICAN, aided the anti-Communist Republic of Viet Nam in the South.

President Dwight D. Eisenhower announced May 8, 1953, that the United States had given France sixty million (60M) dollars for the Indo-China War and even more aid was announced in September of 1953. May 8, 1953 is when the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower got the United States into the Viet Nam War.

Like Iraq is an oil storehouse, Viet Nam is a mineral storehouse, and for that reason the French were trying to colonize Viet Nam [Indo-China War]. Ho Chi Minh leader of the North Vietnamese did not go along with the French colonization and kicked the French out of Viet Nam, then REPUBLICAN Dwight D. Eisenhower brings the United States into the Indo-China War [Viet Nam] on a slippery slope that slid all the way to the TET Offensive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive, and left President Kennedy and Johnson trying to figure out how to get off REPUBLICAN Eisenhower's slippery slope.

From January 20, 1953 until May 8, 1953 after the end of REPUBLICAN Eisenhower's Korean War, is the exact amount of time it took a REPUBLICAN to get the United States involved in YET another war, the Viet Nam War.

lilbopeep, japset or bugsbunny:

Furthermore, with regard to REPUBLICAN confidence without merit, here is a little something about the REPUBLICAN DOMINO THEORY:

To justify his support for South Vietnam, President Dwight Eisenhower and Vice-President Richard Nixon put forward the 'domino theory'. It was argued that if the first domino is knocked over then the rest topple in turn. Applying this to South-east Asia he argued that if South Vietnam was taken by communists, then the other countries in the region such as Loas, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia and Indonesia, would follow.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/COLDdomino.htm

Knowing that the REPUBLICAN Domino Theory was UNSUCCESSFUL gives great inspiration for REPUBLICAN BUSH'S confidence in his "War of_Error", NOT!!!!!!! WE THE PEOPLE require more than the REPUBLICAN PARTY'S Policy of confidence without merit, that "you people" are always parroting everywhere that you have a forum.

Now its your turn to whine like Nixon not giving back Checkers, give your "confidence without merit speech" [http://watergate.info/nixon/checkers-speech.shtml] and head on into the next Watergate, like a good REPUBLICAN. REPUBLICAN Watergates these days are springing up like daisies in horse manure.

lilbopeep,japset or bugsbunny:

BTW: Saddam Hussein destroyed ALL of the WMD years before BUSH attacked Iraq, and the reason was that those types of weapons have a limited shelf life and require a humongous amount of various types of maintenance for safety of which Saddam Hussein was not willing to commit Iraq's resources, so he destroyed them. Therefore, there was NO WMD years before the weapons inspectors were trying to find WMD.
When BUSH broadcast the message to IRAQ during the BUSH administrations attack telling the Iraqis NOT TO DESTROY THE OIL FIELDS, BUSH told the rest of the WORLD what the war was about, and greed for the profits from THE OIL has continued to be the Republicans Lite and the BUSH administration's ONLY concerned ever since. Everything the REPUBLICANS or the REPUBLICANS LITE say to the contrary is propaganda, which is binary [two part] emotional rhetoric for those who don't know what propaganda is.

I don't believe parallels can be made between the Vietnam conflict and the Iraq War. Here's why:

First, the Iraq war removed Saddam Hussein from power and brought him to justice. It wasn't about a Cold War between two superpowers. It principally removed a tyrant under the guise of preventing the proliferation of WMD's in Iraq. The actual war itself lasted a mere month before a cessation of hostilities between the two nationally supported armies of the U.S. and Iraq, where U.S. forces successfully defeated Iraqi forces thereby ending the Hussein Regime and rule in Iraq.

Secondly, the continual losses to U.S. and Allied forces in Iraq are directly and indirectly attributable to multi-national terrorists and insurgents. These terrorists use IED's cannibalized from bombs and weapons stolen from abandoned Iraqi military stockpiles, left unsecured. These weapons should've been secured quickly by U.S. military forces and were not. A result of poor planning.

Thirdly, the terrorists and insurgents are poorly organized, however, that is changing as their numbers continue to grow due to increased collateral casualties and intentional casualties to the Iraqi civilian populace and due to the geographic vastness of Iraq's borders which are virtually unsecurable, preventing the influx of U.S. hating terrorists from neighboring countries into Iraq.

Fourthly, the entire nature of the resistance against U.S. and Allied forces present in Iraq comes from a hidden and well defined enemy, committed to the point of the usage of suicide attacks. The enemy in Iraq has no uniform to distinguish a combatant vs. non-combatant, further complicating the U.S. and Allied forces to strategically and tactically fight back and furthermore preventing eradication of the insurgency. You can't fight what you don't see.

Fifthly, there is no central governmental institution strong enough to unite the citizens in support against the insurgency because of irreconcilable ideological and religious differences and beliefs. The people cannot unify under the current governmental leadership, therefore they continue to be helpless victim, pawns even in an unwinable game of chess.

Sixth, due to a lack of a strong central government, many other religious factions continue to bicker, quarrel, and fight each other without check. The infrastructure continues to decay and the economy continues to spiral downward out of control, creating and/or contributing to increased anarchy within Iraq.

Seventh, a U.S. pullout just as a continued U.S. presence would have no positive effect on reversal of this calamity, unlike Vietnam where the U.S. pullout led to a complete takeover of the country by a strongly supported communist government. If civil war results upon U.S. withdrawal, it would not be recognized as such because it has already happened. It would become more bloody as complete anarchy would result and only the strongest elements will survive, those being of course religious fanatics and terrorists. Innocent Iraqi civilians will still continue to be down-trodden and helpless victims of religious persecution under fanatical Muslim and Islamic rule. Iraq would become an even bigger hotbed of terrorists whereby they can strengthen their numbers, train, fundraise, and wage war against U.S. and allied citizens abroad and in the U.S. However, staying in Iraq only delays this inevitability and will not delay it indefinitely. Proof of this assertion has been witnessed since the invasion by the increase number of and deadliness of unchecked terrorist/insurgent attacks across that country.

Finally, what we have is not a Vietnam quagmire, it is a Bush administration quagmire. The Bush administration did not carefully and adequately plan for all likely scenarios and contingencies for an Iraq invasion, occupation and withdrawal of forces. Furthermore, they did not have a clearly defined goal or objective. An objective to clearly remove Hussein as a tyrannical leader would've perhaps motivated more U.S. citizens for a more sustainable period of time; however without a realistic military objective for securing the borders, securing all abandoned Iraqi military stockpiles and institutionalized martial law that would have supported the growth and development of the government and the national economy as well as physical security for Iraqi citizens, U.S. failure in Iraq was and is inevitable. The only known Bush administration goal is noble -- take the fight to their country and not in ours -- regarding the war on terror. Not too many people with common sense would disagree. However, the plan and timetable was completely wrong and has failed politically on the world stage. And, yes it matters what the world thinks of the U.S. We cannot live by the Monroe Doctrine as Bush would like us to. Our economy is too dependent on foreign trade and relations to ignore what people and nations worldwide think of us -- the people, because whether or not one chooses to admit it, our President, any U.S. President represents us nationally.

Butch2003:

Thank you for sharing your beliefs, do you have anything to say about what you know?

BTW, What is It? Just curious.

Myth of American Freedom

The myth of American freedom is a made up political myth of cultural design originated by an American aristocracy of slavers who sold their own children into slavery along with the common white population, negros and native American Indians. An American aristocracy that descended from "shit eating cannabals" who, rather than work to obtain their own food and sustenance by way of their own efforts in colonial America, became jealous of the native people, who were agriculturally proficient and as a result, the native people were not hungry. Out of jealousy, avarice and envy the colonial forefathers of the American aristocracy killed the native people, robbed them of their food, their resources and their land, and with white slave labor from Britain and black slave labor from Africa built a nation, the United States, on the native Americans' dead bones out of the resources and land of the dead and dying native people of North America; a nation, the United States, that to this day keeps the descendants of the native people of North America suppressed and oppressed in concentration camps and under control by military occupation.

The myth of American freedom is a trope. A trope that in the beginning meant and still means freedom for all of us, the American aristocracy and the Professional Class toadies that run the businesses of the American aristocracy, NOT freedom for the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION of the United States. Freedom is a trope much like another trope, "WE THE PEOPLE", that also means "WE THE AMERICAN ARISTOCRACY" that was not inclusive of white slaves, black slaves, native people and the common population during the origin of the United States and is not inclusive of the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION of the United States at the present time, the 21st Century.

Why does the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION allow such insufferable and inaccurate misrepresentations of American history and made up American mythology to be inculcated into their children by the public school system in the United States, to lead the children of the COMMON POPULATION to the false conclusion that they are "free and equal" to the American aristocracy and Professional Class toadies, when in fact the COMMON POPULATION were not "free and equal" during or after the time of the Revolutionary War against Britain, were not "free and equal" during and after the founding of the United States, and are not "free and equal" at the present time in the United States?

The COMMON POPULATION must begin to read and understand their own history in the United States. A good place to start is "A Peoples History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, which should be required reading in all public schools in the United States.

The 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION must, with new found understanding of their own historical oppression, suppression and tyranny in the United States, stand up as a class and culture, the Working and Poor Class and Culture, as the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION of the United States and demand economic and political equality and be willing to shed blood to wrest equality for the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION away from the American aristocracy and the Professional Class toadies for the American aristocracy that deny life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness with freedom and justice for all of the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION in any sense other than as a meaningless trope that is as hollow as the American dream.

ENOUGH is ENOUGH. It is time for REAL change. It is time for real democracy for America for the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION and an end to democracy as a meaningless trope for the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION that benefits ONLY the American aristocracy and their Professional Class toadies that is as hollow as the American dream.

ThomasG:

It is amazing to me that REPUBLICAN propagandized people like Butch2003 can continue to believe that the BUSH administration was in Iraq for some noble reason, that the United States had a right to kill Saddam Hussein, and destroy and occupy Iraq. If the United States wanted to kill Saddam Hussein, it should have been when General H. Norman Schwarzkopf said he could. That would have been a great time, as Iraq had actually attacked Kuwait and would have been deemed legitimate, but years later, when Saddam was not doing anything other than shooting skuds at Israel, for the BUSH administration to trump up a WMD story and do all possible to manipulate the facts for their private mercenary war cannot be deemed noble in any form of the word.

The BUSH administration REPUBLICANS and REPUBLICANS LITE have used and are still using the power of the president and the Congress to manipulate the facts, but there was NO WMD, NO uranium being purchased from Niger, NO REASON to attack IRAQ and NO REASON to OUT a CIA agent, Valerie Plame. There's NO Democracy in the United States and NO Democracy in Iraq and NO Democracy being promoted, only propagandized. BUSH, CHENEY, GONZALES and the entire administration need to be IMPEACHED and if Nancy Pelosi wants to have a job in Congress after the election, she had better put IMPEACHMENT OF BUSH, CHENEY AND GONZALES back on the table.

As for the propaganda about it being better to fight in Iraq instead of fighting in the United States, that is rubbish that propagandized Butch2003 apparently bought. The Iraqis never attacked us, we attacked them. The Afghans never attacked us, we attacked them. The only Arabs that attacked the U.S. were Saudis, and the Saudis are BUSH's friends. Al-Qaeda is Saudis. Saudis are from Saudi Arabia. The best place to squash Al-Qaeda if one really wants to squash Al-Qaeda would be in Saudi Arabia, but the Saudis are BUSH's friends. Osama bin Laden is a childhood friend of BUSH, hence if Osama bin Laden dies, it will be from old age or his kidney disease, because BUSH will always have a reason not to find him. Osama bin Laden hasn't really done anything but help BUSH accomplish the war that BUSH wanted to accomplish. If BUSH pulls out of Iraq, Osama bin Laden's milita will have no reason to continue fighting in Iraq. Al-Queda had no war with Iraq prior to BUSH WARS.

There is nothing wrong with letting the Moslems fight out their differences if that is what they choose. Sunnis and Sheites fight, that's what they do. BUSH has already destroyed Iraq so what can it hurt. The United States really can't keep them from fighting, so let them fight and bring the United States troops home. There was never a REAL reason for the United States troops to be fighting mercenary wars in the first place, and there is no legitimate reason for the United States to be involved in a civil war between Moslems.

BRING ALL AMERICAN TROOPS HOME & IMPEACH BUSH, CHENEY AND GONZALES

bugsbunny, japset, lilbopeep:

It doesn’t take a huge intellectual to understand that the wars in the Middle East go on forever. The Sheite Moslems [IRAN (Persia)] and the Sunni Moslems have an ongoing fight like the Hatfields and McCoys. It is amazing to me that the United States could have so many egregious dunces playing intelligence in the State Department and the Pentagon.

The Sheite Moslems, I am certain, thank the U.S. Right Wing EXTREME for opening up this bowl of maggots since the Sheite Moslems also would like to rule Baghdad and the world, just like the "Pinky[Bush] and the Brain[Cheney]" BUSH administration. Now, the United States has given the Sheite Moslems a chance at what they have wanted for thousands of years. When the Bush administration say they couldn’t have known, it is overwhelmingly disingenuous, because these ongoing warring tribes are a matter of history and very few people that know anything do not know.

Now, since the Sheite Moslems want to rule Baghdad, and the United States, who say they are Christian, in their greed also want to rule Baghdad, who do you think will succeed?

After ALL THE PEOPLE, much less the military, are dead, on a -- 1/1 basis -- in the United States, there will still be plenty of Moslems to rule Baghdad, possibly Sheite Moslems. The United States controlling Iraq for the long-term is an endeavor in futility and stupendous ignorance. The British tried it and failed and collapsed the British Empire between 1919 and 1945, and if the United States continues down the same road will meet the same end.

The United States must pull out of Iraq and support Israel. The protection of our ally Israel is of utmost importance, especially now. Should Israel ask, the United States MUST do all possible to protect Israel from the humongous danger the BUSH administration has caused, since Israel is hated by both Sunni Moslems and Sheite Moslems, as well as other Moslems in the region, like the Sunni Moslems of Syria.

The United States through its greedy bungling has unbalanced the power between the Sheite Moslems and Sunni Moslems who have always hated each other when it comes to power. The Sunni Moslems were a minority elite group in Iraq and the Sheite Moslems were the COMMON POPULATION; a power set-up that worked well for balancing the power against the Sheite Moslems and the minority COMMON POPULATION Kurds. ALL the Sheite Moslems will die before they ever allow power to go back the way it was and the Kurds did not benefit from Sunni Moslems being in power either.

The following article shows that the United States is fighting on both sides in Iraq to try to control Iran.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/07/3029/

People who can’t see that the United States fighting on BOTH sides against the Sheite Moslems and the Sunni Moslems in Iraq is of no consequence are ignorant of history to the Nth degree. The United States doesn’t have either the population or, being 59 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT, the money to be able to sustain a Moslem War, and U.S. Debt is no secret.

IRAN Population = MAJORITY Sheite Moslems, Minority Kurds (Kurdistan)

IRAQ Population = MAJORITY Sheite Moslems, Minority Sunni Moslems & Minority Kurds (Kurdistan)

SYRIA Population = MAJORITY Sunni Moslems

Saudia Arabia Population = MAJORITY Sunni Moslems

Turkey Population = MAJORITY Turkish Moslems & Minority Kurds (Kurdistan)

The Kurds want their country (Kurdistan) back. If the United States destroys Iran, it stands to reason that the Kurds in Iraq will unite with the Kurds in Iran and the Kurds in Turkey to reform Kurdistan because the United States has bogged itself down and can’t do anything about it, and one can’t blame the Kurds for wanting their country back.

The United States only alternative is to withdraw from conquering Iraq and let Iran be. I wish the BUSH administration would hurry up and figure that out. The more the BUSHIES mess in Iraq and Iran, the worse Iraqs economy and political interests will be for the MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION in Iraq. With the U.S. fighting & financing mercenaries on BOTH sides, for the Sheites as well as the Sunnis, it will undoubtedly make matters better for Iraqis with the United States out of there, at least with the United States gone, there wouldn't be anyone in Iraq instigating war between the Sheites and the Sunnis, and they could find a way for a truce, but never as long as there is a 3rd party instigating war.

If the United States decides to bomb Iran into oblivion, it will make the Kurds, who have been kicked out of their country, Kurdistan, happy; because with Iran out of power, it would be easy for the Kurds to get Kurdistan back, their enemy, Iran, would be gone.

The Iraqi OIL isn’t worth all this war, forget the OIL, the United States can’t legitimately get anything in Iraq, but it is the United States’ duty to protect Israel, our ally, from the Sheite Moslems and Sunni Moslems that the United States has unleashed, since both these Moslem groups despise Israel.

The United States should withdraw and let the chips fall where they may. The best the United States can do now is protect Israel as needed and aid the Palestinians in having their own country. At least, when necessary, there is honor in protecting Israel.

There wouldn't be a war between Israel & the Palestinians if land was allotted for Palestine to be a country and the Palestinians were allowed freedom to go to their holy places in Israel, which is NOT a BUSH administration task, but a United Nations task.

There is no honor, what so ever, in attacking and occupying countries for their resources alone, but that is what this United States Right Wing EXTREME REPUBLICAN Bush administration has done with the power they hijacked from the American people.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/07/3029/

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME

Common Population Harvested By Competing Classes and Cultures

At present the COMMON POPULATION of the United States is a 70% MAJORITY POPULATION. The COMMON POPULATION of the United States could be a 90% MAJORITY POPULATION, rather than a 70% MAJORITY POPULATION.

The intelligentsia of the COMMON POPULATION, the intellectual capital of the COMMON POPULATION, that in time became the 20% minority of the Professional Middle Class of the United States, a so called "New Class", originated in the COMMON POPULATION, and the middle class is constantly renewed by way of the middle class harvesting the intellectual capital naturally occurring in the COMMON POPULATION. The COMMON POPULATION is a naturally and constantly occurring source of intelligentsia, intellectual capital, that is harvested by both the American aristocracy and the middle class in order to keep the COMMON POPULATION subjugated in their place as a means of providing added value in the U.S. Economy, from which the COMMON POPULATION derives NO substantial benefit, other than slave wages and survival benefits as consumers. The COMMON POPULATION as a class and culture can and should provide incentives to its own intelligentsia, intellectual capital, that occurs naturally within the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION, in order to retain the 10% naturally occurring intelligentsia, intellectual capital, of the COMMON POPULATION within the COMMON POPULATION for the benefit of the COMMON POPULATION, rather than allowing competing classes and cultures to lure the COMMON POPULATION'S intelligentsia, intellectual capital, away from the COMMON POPULATION to their own competing classes and cultures.

By retaining the 10% of naturally occurring intelligentsia, intellectual capital, of the class and culture of the COMMON POPULATION within the COMMON POPULATION'S class and culture, so that the naturally occurring intelligentsia, intellectual capital, of the COMMON POPULATION stays within the COMMON POPULATION, and lives within the class and culture of the COMMON POPULATION, rather than walled and gated communities of the American aristocracy and middle class; the COMMON POPULATION will be strengthened from generation to generation, and the American aristocracy and the middle class will be weakened from generation to generation, to the extent that competing classes and cultures are not able to harvest intelligentsia, intellectual capital, from the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION for competing class and culture benefit at the expense of the class and culture of the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION.

If the COMMON POPULATION of the United States as a class and culture is going to be politically strong and have a destiny of both power and control over its own political future, the COMMON POPULATION must retain its own intelligentsia, intellectual capital; the COMMON POPULATION of the United States MUST become aware of this problem, and make retention of its own intelligentsia, intellectual capital, happen; rather than have competing classes and cultures raid the COMMON POPULATION'S intellectual capital constantly from generation to generation in an ongoing effort to weaken the class and culture of the COMMON POPULATION, in much the same way as competing classes and cultures of Ancient Greek society weakened the COMMON POPULATION of the Helots.

In Ancient Sparta the intellectual capital, the intelligentsia of the Helots, the COMMON POPULATION of Ancient Greece, had war declared upon them once every year by the Spartans, the aristocracy, and the intellectual capital of the Helots was killed to subjugate and diminish the class and culture of the COMMON POPULATION of Ancient Greece. In the free and open American society in the United States, the intellectual capital of the COMMON POPULATION is not killed, but intellectual capital is lured away from the COMMON POPULATION for the benefit of competing classes and cultures. It could be considered as a benefit, at least, that the intellectual capital of the COMMON POPULATION in the United States is not being killed by competing classes and cultures in the United States, but it is certainly of no benefit to the COMMON POPULATION to allow competing classes and cultures with the class and culture of the COMMON POPULATION to raid the COMMON POPULATION'S ongoing intellectual capital from generation to generation in an ongoing effort to keep the COMMON POPULATION subjugated, diminished and weak, in the same spirit and purposeful intent as that used by the Ancient Greeks to keep the class and culture of the COMMON POPULATION of Ancient Greece, the Helots, weak, diminished, suppressed, oppressed, subjugated and tyrannized for the benefit of the aristocracy of Greek society and the benefit of the Greek economy. In the 21st Century, weakening of the class and culture of the 70% MAJORITY COMMON POPULATION of the United States by luring intellectual capital of the COMMON POPULATION away from the COMMON POPULATION by competing classes and cultures MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE BY THE COMMON POPULATION.

He forgot the biggest similarity...

Both Vietnam and Iraq were each instigated by a Texas oil man lieing to the American people.