PB Rescue Open Thread
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As a former Florida political blogger, I've can't help but flag this post by Jim Callahan: Gossip: Orlando Party Switcher (D to R) Indicted. While I won't prejudge, let me just note that before she was elected, she told the Orlando Sentinel she wanted to be in the state House in order to land a lucrative lobbying career.
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Good afternoon,
We got to get Pelosi and congress to do some more 100's of days of stuff, take bigger steps.
De- authorize the use of force: we have been lied-to and tricked into invasion and occupation and we cannot trust the military and commander to not do it again.
Impeach these lying thieves and lawbreakers before they wreck anything else.
March on Washington? Can it be kept quiet and made illegal?
Michael, you have no clue how much that kind of stuff goes on in Florida politics. It's just one thing after another, and the lines blur between the two parties.
For some good stuff, here is an interview Governor Dean had by phone with the wonderful Helen Thomas. Two great people.
Howard Dean tells Helen Thomas Democrats should not be over-confident about 08
He also has some stuff to say about Rove, and about the election protection plan in another interview as well.
Good afternoon, all.
Are you watching Jim Cramer on Hardball?
If you aren't worried about the speculators in the stock market and housing industry yet...then listen to this hysterical man yelling all kinds of crazy things about the markets, our debt, and anybody but Paul Volker.
No wonder everything is spinning out of control...on an every other day basis now. We've let these self-professed financial "experts" advise us far too long. It's obviously not going to get any better before it gets worse.
This guy is screaming "Help me Jesus" just like the rest of the right wingnuts. I'm with Pat Tillman. It's time to tell these sniveling cowards to stand up and face the music instead of waiting for God or the Fed to intervene.
What a bunch of crooks and liars.
US anti-war group ordered to take down Iraq demo posters
16 Aug 2007, 0158 hrs IST,AFP
WASHINGTON: A US anti-war group has been warned it will be fined 10,000 dollars if it does not remove posters in Washington announcing a march in the capital next month against US involvement in Iraq, a spokeswoman said on Wednesday.
"The ANSWER Coalition has received citations from the authorities in Washington threatening to fine us 10,000 dollars unless several hundred posters announcing the September 15 march on Washington DC are removed," Sarah Sloan, the staff coordinator for the anti-war group, said.
"We have until Thursday to take down the posters," she said. Several hundred yellow posters have been put up around Washington announcing the protest, which is timed to coincide with the release of a report by the US military commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, on progress in the US "surge" strategy of raising troop levels.
Washington city authorities said the posters have to come down because they were stuck on with adhesive that did not meet city regulations.
"The charge about adhesives is false," Sloan said. "This is a definitely a calculated political move aimed at disrupting the demonstration, which has been organised on a day when the world's eyes will be on Washington for the Petraeus report," she said.
Demonstrators from at least 90 cities around the United States and Canada have already pledged to come to Washington for the march, which will be part of a week of anti-war protests led by veterans of the Iraq war, according to Sloan.
A petition calling for the impeachment of President George W. Bush, allegedly carrying one million signatures and endorsed by former US attorney general Ramsey Clark, will also be submitted to officials during the week's activities.
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Who are these authorities that know their adhesives? Free speech issue all gummed-up by censors, what?
sunny,
I think Howard is very wise. This is not going to be a cake walk. The forces of the Dark Side are gearing up for Cheney's Last Stand.
Now how stupid is this! This is really going to hurt them a lot, isn't it!! So the Chinese athletics win all the prizes because no americans are there, and they are supposed to eat their hearts out??? Republicans get stupider every single day.
GOP lawmakers call for boycott of Olympics
Eight House Republicans have called for a boycott of next year’s Olympics in Beijing in a resolution introduced just before the congressional recess.
The resolution criticizes China’s human rights record and compares the 2008 Beijing Games to the 1936 Olympics in Nazi-era Berlin. Those Olympics showed that “the integrity of the host country is of the utmost importance so as not to stain the participating athletes or the character of the Games,” according to the resolution, which is cosponsored by Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.), Joseph Pitts (Penn.), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Fla.), Thaddeus McCotter (Mich.), John Doolittle (Calif.), Dan Burton (Ind.) Frank Wolf (Va.) and Christopher Smith (N.J
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gop-lawmakers-call-for-boycott-of-olympics-2007-08-15.html
Now the Repug Candidates have nothing except to steal the Democrat's Issues ! LMAO, what a sad sorry lot they are.
"But all of the quotes were from former Republican Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee at this morning’s Christian Science Monitor breakfast.
“It sounds like John Edwards on his poverty tour,” said Club for Growth executive director David Keating, whose free-market anti-tax group has been at odds with Huckabee since the beginning of the presidential campaign.
Huckabee’s populist campaign indeed is sounding similar themes to leading Democrats on trade, economic equality and the environment. He likes to say he’s more Main Street than Wall Street, which is giving him a unique profile in the field of Republican contenders. His folksy demeanor and witty one-liners propelled him to a strong second-place finish in the Ames straw poll last week.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0807/Guess_the_pol.html
Good reasons for impeachment, if you haven't already gotten into this thinking:
The So-Called War on Terror: A Masterpiece of Propaganda
Submitted by davidswanson on Sun, 2007-08-05 19:07. Media
By Richard W. Behan
Who will tell the people?
--William Greider
From its first days in office in January of 2001 the Administration of George W. Bush meant to launch military attacks against both Afghanistan and Iraq. The reasons had nothing to do with terrorism.
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Finally, impeachment will expose the fraudulence of the “War on Terror”, and liberate us from the pall of fear the Bush Administration deliberately cast upon the country. Both political parties will be free to speak the truth: terrorism is real and a cause for concern, but it is not a reason for abject fear.
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Ending the nightmare will take far less courage than the Bush people exhibited in beginning it. Taking a nation to war on distortion, deception, and lies is enormously risky, in many respects: in lives and in treasure, certainly, but also in a nation’s prestige abroad and in the trust and support of its people. The Bush Administration risked all this and more, and they have lost.
We risk far less by embracing the truth and acting on it. Our nation cherishes honesty: the fraudulence must end. But Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have shown themselves incapable of honesty, and we also cherish justice. They must be impeached.
www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/25439
Mary, then all Dems MUST stay united through November 2008. No matter which candidate gets the nod, be prepared to work your tail off.
Join the Dem committee locally. Do phone banking and door to door for House Reps and any Dem Senators running. Write Letters to editors about issues. (use the Letter tool on front page of this DNC website)
We can do this just like we got November 2006 won!
But let me also say, once we get a Democratic President, and large majorities in House and Senate, I do not plan on letting any power abuse, corruption, or lobbyists buying of votes from the Dems. I learned my lesson, and will keep my eyes open from now on.
Romney could not win the South, even if he WAS the last Candidate standing.
Romney not connecting with S.C. GOP voters
Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney holds a clear lead over his GOP rivals in Iowa and New Hampshire. But for some reason, Romney hasn’t been able to connect with South Carolina voters — a key primary state in Romney’s bid to gain his party’s nomination
What reasons do GOP voters give for keeping Romney at bay?
They cite four.
• He’s from Massachusetts, which automatically makes him suspect among conservative Republicans.
• He’s too perfect, too slick.
• His religious faith — Romney is a Mormon — causes him problems with evangelicals, a major part of the GOP base. The Southern Baptist Church, the largest Protestant denomination in South Carolina, called Mormonism a cult in some of its recent teaching materials.
• He has flip-flopped on bedrock issues so much that Republican grass-roots voters question his commitment to GOP ideals.
Social conservatives are concerned specifically about inconsistencies in Romney’s record on gay marriage and abortion.
Romney also got himself in trouble in April when he boasted about his lifelong experience as a hunter. As it turned out, he had been on only two hunting trips.
Paul Hackett was just on Hardball. He is the model of the kind of candidates we need to run in 2008. Conerned, sincere, and willing to be objective. Let's give him a chance to run again and find more like him.
The GOP candidates are going to continue the Rove/Heritage Foundation model of calling names, demeaning others, driving wedges among citizens, and not answering direct questions. People are sick of this BS.
We need to keep our agenda in the forefront of any discussion in the media and continually remind voters of what we know is important to them...not play into the numerous diversions that they will throw at us. Let's keep focused and calm.
Slow and steady, steady and slow. That's the way go until the very end when we fire at them with both barrels...and the public will be more than ready to cheer us on.
Let's not rush things even though that seems to be the new GOP strategy...make us show our cards before we need to with all these early primaries.
Time to start dinner. later.
sheesh, remember the picking on of Kerry's wife and other Dems families, yet Giuliani thinks nobody should ask about his???
He is a loser, but SHOULD by some catastrophe or cheating a Republican win, this is the one I want.
Pro-Gay, Pro-Abortion, Pro-Gun Control ! (plus Pro-illegal immigrants and that will irk the Republicans after the election BIG TIME). A man like this will NEVER cover the SCOTUS with right leaning Radicals.
"DERRY, N.H. -- Republican Rudy Giuliani said Thursday that people should "leave my family alone" when asked by a New Hampshire woman why the presidential candidate should expect loyalty from voters when he doesn't get it from his children.
Giuliani has a daughter who has indicated support for Democrat Barack Obama and a son who said they didn't speak for some time. His ugly divorce from their mother, Donna Hanover, was waged publicly while Giuliani was mayor of New York. Giuliani has since remarried.
Answering questions at a town-hall meeting, Giuliani was asked why he should expect loyalty from GOP voters when his children aren't backing him.
Good afternoon fine dems.
Dean is very smart and very right. The 2008 election will be no cake-walk. To see one reason why, all you have to do is go back and look at the 2000 and 2004 debates with GWB. I remember sitting and watching those debates. I remember being happy that the dem did so much better than George, then being disturbed that the MSM morphed it into a tie. Their attention was on how many 'sighs". Who was nervous. How they stood. It might as well have been a contest between two models who answered no questions. Almost no attention was given to their answers. The media will do the same next election.
"When Fred Thompson was a lobbyist, he advocated for one of his home state’s biggest government-funded boondoggles. Along the way, he made some important connections and a nice chunk of change – and he paved the way for the spending of a whole lot of taxpayer money.
It’s a part of his past that runs counter to the fiscally conservative outsider image he’s seeking to cast as he positions himself for an all-but-certain bid for the Republican presidential nomination.
Hailed as the solution to the nation’s energy woes, the Clinch River Breeder Reactor was authorized in 1970, four years after Baker was elected to the Senate as a Republican from Tennessee.
With Baker set to retire in 1984, opponents – who had derided the project as unnecessary, unsafe and uneconomical – finally killed the project in 1983. By then, though, taxpayers had sunk into it $1.7 billion, more than four times the original estimate, and were left with only a giant hole in the ground to show for it.
Starting in the mid-1970s, as the project received a steady stream of appropriations and became a lightning rod in the national debate over wasteful government spending, Thompson, a lawyer, built relationships with two of its biggest contractors: Westinghouse, which the federal government paid at least $511 million to design the reactor, was Thompson’s first and longest-running lobbying client.
And Stone & Webster, the project’s prime contractor, later put Thompson on its board and paid him for legal work. The two firms ultimately paid Thompson more than $1 million, and Stone & Webster became a major source of campaign cash when Thompson ran for the Senate from Tennessee in 1994.
Representatives from Thompson’s testing-the-waters committee declined to comment. Nor did they answer detailed questions about Thompson’s relationship with Stone & Webster or his work on Clinch River.
Huckabee’s populist campaign indeed is sounding similar themes to leading Democrats on trade, economic equality and the environment. He likes to say he’s more Main Street than Wall Street, which is giving him a unique profile in the field of Republican contenders. His folksy demeanor and witty one-liners propelled him to a strong second-place finish in the Ames straw poll last week.
Pam,
It sounds like he's trying to run somewhere between Bill Clinton and Spunky. Might work unless the Bush crime family decides he's encroaching too much on their boy Mitt.
He might be a good choice for us, however.
Let him try to establish himself as FDR and then expose his dark Hoover nature. The voters are sick of the deliberate deceptions the Repubicans have been playing them with for the past 15 years.
This guy is so Far Right that for him to say he's a populist is the ultimate lie. He's setting himself up nicely for a fall.
Let's give him a lot of encouragement...and a lot of rope. It would be fun to watch Freddie, Rudy, and Mitt jump when Huck spins his oily homespun charm.
Lies, lies, lies. That's all the Republicans can run on.
The media will do the same next election.
Posted by Chicago on August 16, 2007 at 07:51 PM
Rock on Chicago,
Media needs fixing before 2008 elections. What's political and what's national security censorship only the commander guy decides. Media is pro-capitalism, not necessarily pro-democracy now, and must follow orders from the chiefs. That ain't right.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/15/bush.congress.poll/index.html
Poll: Bush, Democratic Congress both failures
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Americans think both President Bush and the Democratic Congress have been failures so far this year, but they still tend to put more confidence in the Democrats.
What a bunch of hog-wash. Of course people put more confidence in the Dems. That is because we wanted the Dems to stop Bush, not allow him to continue his illegal antics.
This is going to take a little time to unravel, because it was so deviously constructed to evade regulations, and spread the risks:
Central banks’ dilemma over information deficit
By Krishna Guha and Eoin Callan in Washington
Published: August 16 2007 20:32 | Last updated: August 16 2007 20:32
At the heart of the turmoil in financial markets, central bankers believe, is an information problem that has magnified the consequences of what appears to be a credit problem in securities backed by US subprime mortgages.
Underlying credit quality remains good in most of the US economy – including the prime mortgage market. Policymakers believe that this should limit the extent of any pull-back from lending.
They believe that markets are paralysed by lack of information as to the ultimate size and distribution of losses – which has contributed to a sudden drying up of liquidity in the three-month interbank and commercial paper markets.
The information problem has two components. First, investors do not know where the losses from subprime – which Ben Bernanke, the US Federal Reserve chairman, suggested last month could be up to $100bn – lie.
Second, they have lost confidence in their ability to value complex structured credit products that include some exposure to subprime bundled up with exposure to other underlying assets.
“Investors are facing enormous uncertainty on the likely size and distribution of financial losses, on the credit quality of their assets, and on counterparty risk,” said Marco Annunziata, chief economist of Unicredit, the banking group.
These twisted headlines drive me crazy. They call it a "Democratic Congress" to blame the peoples dislike of the congress on the democrats. Look at the last election. The repubes got slaughtered. They are the ones who have stood in the way and protected Bush's failed agenda. I hate the MSM. The MSM is failing this country.
for my fellow californians. let's stop the gop power grab and reform the electoral college...
FairElectionReform
Hello TomN.
Bush is proving AGAIN that Reaganomics (aka trickle-down-economics) DOES NOT WORK!!
Posted by PamB on August 16, 2007 at 07:54 PM
Thompson has so many corrupt connections it will be hard for him not to offended most voters.
It's bad enough to be a lobbyist. But to have been on the board of directors and recieved cash from some of these pork barrel projects makes him a double target come election day.
No fiscal restraint ever exhibited by this good ole boy...who apparently likes taking what looks to be bribes and kickbacks?
Naughty, naughty.
MSNBC is reporting breaking news of a new mine collapse in Utah.
At least three ambulances on scene, two AirMed helicopters sent...
And most of the trolls are idiots.
Oh, go away, Steve. Please.
Barbi, once again the Mining Company is claiming another "seismic event" making it sound like an earthquake. The " seismic activity" was CAUSED by ANOTHER cave in. Ambulances are taking rescue personnel OUT of there. CPR is being done on at least 1 rescuer.
mary, what chance do you think you really have of affecting any real change in the current political system? i'd think the socialist party might have a better chance than the communist party.
neither has a chance in hell, quite frankly.
rightly or wrongly, the communist brand (i'll bet that combo makes your head spin, no? communism as a product) is and will be associated with the failed soviet union. rightly or wrongly, the communist brand doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the lotto, much less the presidency.
i'm no big fan of unchecked capitalism myself, but come on! the communist party?
good luck, maryh, and welcome to the blog.
Patrick, haven't they been talking about seismic activity most of this past week?
Patrick, haven't they been talking about more seismic activity happening, most of this past week?
Posted by FrostySally on August 16, 2007 at 10:05 PM
really, mary, er sally, if you'd waited a bit longer the whole fake commie thing might have been more convincing.
you are so sad.
“Investors are facing enormous uncertainty on the likely size and distribution of financial losses, on the credit quality of their assets, and on counterparty risk,” said Marco Annunziata, chief economist of Unicredit, the banking group.
Posted by TomN on August 16, 2007 at 08:17 PM
Tom,
They can't face the truth. So they continue to speculate and hope the Chinese don't lower the boom on us.
That is the real problem. Everyone knows the GOP did away with all the rules while spending us into a stupor.
They know the truth but they can't face it...or the consequences of going along with the crooks and liars.
The market is in a way a mirror of what voters are facing with their GOP choices. Failure.. It was all a sham...and now they have to deal with it because the consequences of letting it go on any longer is more horrible than continuting to ignore it.
Push has come to shove.
Seismologists stand by hypothesis that there was no earthquake
Though Crandall Canyon mine owner Robert Murray today said an earthquake definitively caused the mine collapse that trapped six miners, seismologists say they have no proof to support his conclusion.
"The current front-running hypothesis is that the seismic event actually represents the collapse of the mine, but we're still waiting for more evidence to make a definitive statement on how this seismic event is related to the collapse of the mine," said Jim Dewey, a research geophysicist for the Colorado-based National Earthquake Information Center run by the U.S. Geological Survey.
In a lengthy and defensive statement this morning, Murray said he had proof the seismic event was an earthquake and not the collapse.
He said he had information from both the University of Utah and the U.S. Geological Survey giving definitive numbers on the depth and location of the earthquake, both of which were too far south and too deep to be the mine.
However, U. of U. and USGS officials said that information is currently unavailable and therefore cannot be released.
"[The seismic event] could be at the mine level," Dewey said, adding it's impossible with existing read outs to detect the exact location and depth cited by Murray.
"It's not possible to get that resolution, our instruments just don't permit it," he said.
Walter Arabasz, director of the University of Utah Seismograph Stations, said he doesn't have definitive information about the depth or location of the seismic event, either.
"Our seismic network is not designed to locate mining-related seismic activity with near precision," Arabasz said. "The closest seismic station we have is 19 kilometers from the mine, and in terms of its absolute accuracy, we could be off by a mile or more."
He added it's even more difficult to pinpoint the actual depth of the event.
More information will have to be collected from other seismograph stations and from the mine to understand the sequence of events, he said.
U. spokesman Lee Siegel said in Utah's recorded history there has never been a case of a naturally occurring earthquake triggering a mine collapse or cave in.
"However, there have been numerous cases where the collapse was recorded as an earthquake," he said.
Murray, nonetheless, argued this morning that the duration of the seismic event proves it was an earthquake and not a mine collapse.
"The bumps that we incur in mining are instantaneous and don't last 4.3 minutes. It was an earthquake," he said.
Dewey countered that the actual release of energy lasted no more than five seconds.
Murray also said small seismic events that began occurring about 2- hours after the first event proved the first event was an earthquake followed by aftershocks.
The U.'s Arabasz said there are two hypotheses behind the 10 after events that occurred after the initial event. If the first event was a natural event, then the after events would be naturally occurring aftershocks. However, if the first event were the collapse of the mine, the after events could be the rock mass resettling around the collapse.
The largest after event occurred at 1:12 a.m. today and registered a 2.2 on the Richter scale.
"The event has the same signature, that of an implosion, as the first event," the U.'s Siegel said.
Regardless of what caused the mine to collapse, "at this point, the appropriate focus is on the mine rescue," Arabasz said. "Realistically it's going to take one or more weeks to piece together the information."
-- Sheena McFarland can be contacted at smcfarland@sltrib.com or 801-257-8619.
UC Berkeley: Seismologists confirm mine collapse caused temblor
BERKELEY – A 3.9 magnitude temblor recorded at the time of a mine collapse in southern Utah on Monday, Aug. 6, was not from an earthquake, but more likely the result of the collapse itself, according to an analysis by University of California, Berkeley, seismologists.
The study by UC Berkeley graduate student Sean Ford and seismologist Douglas Dreger, associate professor of earth and planetary science, complements and confirms the conclusions of University of Utah seismologists, despite claims by the mine owner that a tectonic earthquake triggered the collapse.
UC Berkeley researchers have categorized earthquakes ( pink ), underground explosions ( blue ) and crack collapses ( green ) according to volume change and other parameters. The Utah temblor of Aug. 6 ( red star ) falls within the area of an underground cavity collapse, showing that it was not an earthquake. ( Graphic by Doug Dreger and Sean Ford/UC Berkeley )
There is no evidence of both an earthquake and a collapse - just the collapse, Dreger said, and the shaking that was detected bears the signature of a collapse, not a tectonic earthquake.
Rescuers are now drilling toward six coal miners trapped by the collapse, in hopes that they are still alive.
Ford, Dreger and their colleagues published their report on the Web yesterday.
Dreger and Ford are involved in a Department of Energy project to detect and characterize different types of seismic events, and have established criteria that distinguish underground explosions and crack collapses from tectonic earthquakes.
After the mine collapse, University of Utah seismologists performed a standard analysis of the seismic data, basically finding that all seismic monitors surrounding the mine recorded initial downward movement, whereas a tectonic earthquake would typically produce both up and down motion, depending on the distance of the seismometer from the event. They concluded that the mine collapse probably caused the shaking.
On Tuesday, Ford and Dreger ran their own analysis of data from seismometers surrounding the mine. They also saw the initial P waves moving downward, but in addition looked at slower S waves and surface waves generated by the event. Performing a more complex analysis of these seismic waves, and allowing for a change in volume underground, they determined that the data fit exactly what would be expected from an underground cavity collapse.
"Using a completely different model and different data, we confirmed what the Utah scientists found," Dreger said. "Together, I'd say these are pretty convincing."
Though Dreger could not pinpoint the exact depth of the event, evidence shows it was shallow, on the order of one kilometer deep, whereas earthquakes typically are centered between 5 and 15 kilometers below the surface. The event also produced mostly low-frequency waves, whereas earthquakes produce low and high-frequency waves.
While the Utah scientists estimated a Richter magnitude of 3.9, Dreger and Ford estimate a moment magnitude of 4.2. These results are generally consistent with one another, Dreger said.
The researchers used data from the National Science Foundation's EarthScope network, which covers about 20 percent of the United States. Coauthors on their paper are UC Berkeley seismologists Robert Uhrhammer and Peggy Hellweg.
The seismic activity being the current waves of repurcussions on the world's stock markets?
Asswipe Stevie doesn't realize that the WTC collapse triggered seismic readings. How does she explain a MOUNTAIN settling into itself after a large void was dug out NOT causing the same results?
Oh, he doesn't, can't, and WON'T.
Yes, Marsh, I do understand what you are saying, and the what the reports say. But, also, the news reports I've heard and read is that the rescue miners have reported a "moving" motion of the mine floors and other kinds of seismic "activity" in the mines. I don't know.
Posted by FrostySally on August 16, 2007 at 10:17 PM
transparent, predictable sally.
Sally is such a sad mixture of arrogance and ignorance. To ignorant to form an informed opinion on his own, to arrogant to accept what others post from experts who know.
Very sad.
Not verified, but possibly 8 rescue miners being transported. Helicopters on scene.
CNN: awaiting hospital report... showing seismic "bump" in mine tonight at Utah mine.
the wtc collapse was on the surface, and would have had a much smaller siesmic reading than one deep in the earth.
next.
The WTC was BIGGER than a MOUNTAIN???
Stevie is drunk already.
From a seismologist
BERKELEY – A 3.9 magnitude temblor recorded at the time of a mine collapse in southern Utah on Monday, Aug. 6, was not from an earthquake, but more likely the result of the collapse itself, according to an analysis by University of California, Berkeley, seismologists.
From Sally
Dumbass DoPeyD doesn't realize that the collapse of the WTC didn't create anything near a 3.9 seismic event and contained a lot more material falling a lot farhter then could have fallen into one of those underground chambers in that mine.
It is obvious who the dopey one is here and it ain't DPD and it ain't the seismologists.
Actually, "Sally", the problems with the walls could also come from mining/excavating too near other mined chambers.
Posted by sunny on August 16, 2007 at 07:23 PM
You're right that there's a problem in Florida politics. Just look at Bob Allen. And that was only a month ago.
When I saw MaryH (as opposed to my SandyH) and how helpless the poor thing was, I knew it was sally*. He always likes them barefoot and pregnant...and union or libertarian.
Good try. So you would rather play games than discuss why the White House publicity people are writing Petraeus' September report?
Why don't you defend this latest dirty trick on our troops with the freshly-minted Karen Hughes' copy point being bandied around by the GOP pundit bimbos and eunuchs? (We all knew there was a reason why that snag was in the Beltway brewing another cauldron of crap.)
"It was always in the fine print of the bill that Congress passed. Why is it such a big deal?"...delivered with all innocence and outrage.
Yeah, why is it a big deal that another 30,000 mothers and fathers, husbands and wives, children and grandchildren have been uprooted from their families to be targets in Bush's blunder for another six months to two decades?
It's not a big deal if YOUR daughter is planning her wedding and her fiancé is safe from ever serving in that nightmare. Right, Laura?
Here ya go, moron. Illinois FARMS are collapsing into the Earth because of a "new" method of coal mining. The Coal Companies just dig a HUGE swath of stuff out of the ground, using tunnels, and then leave. A few years later, the ground "settles" (read: COLLAPSES INTO A VOID) and the farm is out of business. The whole area becomes a marsh or savanna breeding mosquitoes and changing the migratory bird habitats; which changes the crop cycles for several States.
Get it?
US: Farmers Fear Coal Mining Will Sink Land
the ultimate question?
why in hell would seismologists lie about this?
a vast liberal conspiracy of seismologists?
who you gonna believe? a seismologist or a corpulant coal baron with everything to loose?
Who cares what originally started it? There are more people now at risk. A few prayers might be in order?
Good night. I'm going to read a book rather than court the town drunk for another evening.
Sally*, this: \__/ is a hole in the ground.
This: (_*_) is your arse.
Any questions?
WOW. Just WOW. It seems to me that in a few days it will be the anniversary of Neil Armstrong talking to us from the Moon. I guess since the Moon is so far away, that IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! Because, how could we hear him?
Utah mine owner's companies fined millions of dollars
CLEVELAND -- The chairman of the company that co-owns the Utah coal mine where six workers are trapped has campaigned to improve mine safety -- but his companies have incurred millions of dollars in fines over the past 18 months.
Robert Murray's Cleveland-based Murray Energy Corp. has 19 mines in five states that vary widely in the number of fines, citations and injuries, according to an Associated Press review of federal Mine Safety and Health Administration records.
At Utah's Crandall Canyon mine, where the fate of the miners was unknown after a cave-in Monday, the safety record was remarkably good, said R. Larry Grayson, a professor of mining engineering at Penn State University.
"The injury rate for the last four years has been significantly below the national average," Grayson said.
But a mine in southern Illinois owned by Murray subsidiary American Coal Co. has had a significant number of recent violations.
The Galatia mine, which has about 850 workers and produced 7.2 million tons of coal in 2006, has 869 violations so far this year, leading one mining expert to believe the company is "just going for the production and not going for the safety."
Bruce Dial, owner of Dial Mine Safety, a consulting company near Charlotte, N.C., said the high number of fines, $1.46 million so far in 2007, indicates the mine is not taking the necessary steps to remedy problems.
The mine has accumulated more than $3 million in fines dating back to 1999. Records show Galatia is contesting many of the fines.
On June 4, MSHA inspectors cited and fined the mine $54,000 for violating regulations on the accumulation of combustible materials.
The fine suggested to Dial, who worked for MSHA for 24 years and now testifies in cases as an expert witness, that there was a large quantity of combustible material and a chance of a spark setting off an explosion.
Dial also noted 21 violations so far in 2007 where shutdown orders were given in areas of the mine after mine managers failed to act after they were notified of a violation.
On July 20, the records show, the mine was again cited for failure to prevent the accumulation of combustible materials. The coding of the violation denotes that supervisors were aware of the problem but had not done anything about it. A fine has not yet been assessed.
Rob Moore, vice president of Murray Energy, defended the company's safety record Thursday in Huntington, Utah, site of the Crandall Canyon mine.
"Every mine has violations and our record here, the violations we have received, have not been anything out of the ordinary -- dust on the belt rollers, things of that nature, just typical violations and, relative to the safety of this mine, it's a safe mine. All of our mines are safe mines," he said.
When Robert Murray testified before the Senate committee on Environment and Public Works on June 28, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., questioned his mine safety record.
Murray responded: "You're flat-out wrong. That information came from your friends at the United Mine Workers and the union. It is not fair."
Referring to the mine safety record, he said, "I take it with me to bed. I resent you bringing this in."
Four days later, Murray sent a letter to Boxer, saying the rate of injuries in 2006 at all of Murray Energy's mines was less than the national average.
The United Mine Workers of America, which represents workers at Murray's Powhatan No. 6 mine in Belmont County in eastern Ohio, ran a campaign against him in 2001, accusing him of not holding up his end of their contract, spokesman Phil Smith said.
He said the safety record of Murray's mines is generally "not particularly better or particularly worse than any other mine operator in the county."
The National Mining Association, where Murray sits on the board of directors, credited Murray with pushing for safety, including backing the federal Mine Improvement and New Emergency Response Act passed last year. It called for additional mine rescue teams, extra emergency packs and other materials.
"In my experience Mr. Murray has been in the forefront of efforts to improve mine safety legislation," association spokesman Luke Popovich said. "He's certainly been visible in our association-wide efforts to improve mine safety at underground coal mines."
Gee, Sally, with that logic, when two plates shift, almost no rock falls at all. The rock just shifts. So golly, how is it that CA has such problems quakes?
Look at what the seismologist said, dope.
Here's one for the road from BuzzFlash:
Giuliani: 'Leave my family alone.' Translation: I've Been Married Three Times; My Kids Won't Talk to Me; I Cheated on My Second Wife; My First Wife Was a Relative; And My Present Wife Has Been Married Three Times, But I'm a Great Dad and Husband.
Hello All,
President Bush today stated the economy is fine and thriving. Just like the denial of Iraq war.
Here are some foods for thought:
1) By next month there will be $900 billion is adjustable rate mortgages that will reset.
2) By the end of this year $2.13 trillion dollars worth of ARM will reset.
Today's rate for bond purchased based on repackaged mortgages as at 12% interest for Countrywide and other mortgage lenders. The interest they charge their customers holding the ARM according to reports from Main Street is customers holding ARM must pay 12%-16% interest on jumbo loan with no down! Hum?
$2.13 Trillion to reset interest by end of the year and the USA economy is only $18 trillion. That means 10% of the entire economy growth is dependent on Mortgage about to reset by the end of this year!!
So I did a little research on how many mortgages will reset by next year; and here is the result.
http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/2007/08/13/adjustable-rate-mortgage-resets-for-2007-2008/
370 million mortgages will reset by the end of 2008. The average mortgage according is predicted to be $250K. That equal to $92.5 trillion dollars worth of mortgages that will reset by next year!! ...and these goons on Wall Street state it is all contained. Hum?
In 2007 and 2008 the foreclosure predicted will double from 12.9% to 24.4%. That means one in 4 for foreclose.
http://www.personalhomeloanmortgages.com/articles_mortgage_reset.asp
To anyone who thinks this is not a big issue; they are a fool.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and USA Fed Fund can only bail out some of these $92 trillion in loans! This year alone the FED, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will have to absorb a huge percentage of $2.13 trillion in loans about to reset to stabilize the market.
Experience tell me after watching some people go though bankruptcy, the bank will force one to sell your assets and force you to keep the debt.
The current market down turn is not about USA Company performing badly; it’s about several very large institutions getting overextended and they have to sell off huge amount of assets (USA stocks) to cover their debt and gain working capital to sustain their business.
My question to all of you is should Fed government bail out republican businesses that got overextended on credit or should they take the republican position to let the market handle the value of the stocks being sold!!
Sally,
Yeah, dope, but your point was that the quake size is determined by how muck matter falls. In a cave in, a lot of matter can shift position, (like the plates) even if it does not fall into the opening. Duh is right, moron.
Read what the seismologist said.
If Sally had EVER done ANY remodeling it/she would know about removing a bearing wall and having to replace it with an I-Beam. Obviously, living in its/her truck (or wherever) it/she has had no such experience.
You just DO NOT pull out support pillars that hold up the load above them, without shoring up the void, DOPE.
Sally,
Have fun working. Maybe you will be more successful at your arguing next time, dope.
score one for freedom of speech...
Feds Pay $80,000 Over Anti-Bush T-Shirts
CHARLESTON, W.Va. - A couple arrested at a rally after refusing to cover T-shirts that bore anti-President Bush slogans settled their lawsuit against the federal government for $80,000, the American Civil Liberties Union announced Thursday.
Nicole and Jeffery Rank of Corpus Christi, Texas, were handcuffed and removed from the July 4, 2004, rally at the state Capitol, where Bush gave a speech. A judge dismissed trespassing charges against them, and an order closing the case was filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Charleston.
"This settlement is a real victory not only for our clients but for the First Amendment," said Andrew Schneider, executive director of the ACLU of West Virginia. "As a result of the Ranks' courageous stand, public officials will think twice before they eject peaceful protesters from public events for exercising their right to dissent."
White House spokesman Blair Jones said the settlement was not an admission of wrongdoing.
"The parties understand that this settlement is a compromise of disputed claims to avoid the expenses and risks of litigation and is not an admission of fault, liability, or wrongful conduct," Jones said.
The front of the Ranks' homemade T-shirts bore the international symbol for "no" superimposed over the word "Bush." The back of Nicole Rank's T-shirt said "Love America, Hate Bush." On the back of Jeffery Rank's T-shirt was the message "Regime Change Starts at Home."
The ACLU said in a statement that a presidential advance manual makes it clear that the government tries to exclude dissenters from the president's appearances. "As a last resort," the manual says, "security should remove the demonstrators from the event."
score one for freedom of speech...
The emperor has no close, but he doesn't want anyone to tell him.
even CNN is now using quotation marks...
Rescue workers hurt in Utah mine after 'seismic activity'
Murray maintains that an earthquake, not mining activity, caused the collapse. However, seismologists at the U.S. Geological Survey say there was no earthquake and the collapse registered as a 3.9-magnitude quake.
i hadn't seen it barbi but now i have and its a great stuff!
hey barbi! sorry, i'm multi-tasking and didn't see your post to me. i think the media has been giving murray a free pass on this "seismic activity" business. a mine collapsing is seismic activity, which is literally movement of the earth. so is an earthquake. by using that terminology he's been shifting the blame from faulty structure to, well, god. but all the data says the collapse caused the seismic activity, not the other way around. kinda makes my head hurt. arriana huffington has a good piece about the flim-flammery going on...
Why Are the New York Times and So Much of the Traditional* Media Neglecting a Vital Part of the Utah Mine Collapse Story?
Come on people, don't fall into Frosty's trap.
Here's his m/o:
He wants the conversation to shift to details, rather than the full "moral of the story."
He would rather consume our chatter with minor details, that can go either way depending on who you ask, than discuss the real issue.
The real story here is how the Mine Safety Administration was an industry insider, and he was nominated with a "recess appointment." He was so bad that even some Republicans opposed his nomination. Thanks to this leadership, this has been THE most dangerous year for miners since 1932! In a nut shell, all the progress made by organized labor was rolled back, and we're back to the same worker protection as in the "Industrial Revolution." More failed Reaganism.
Frosty does the same thing with Global Warming and Climate Change. He will change the arguement to some slanted detail, rather than talk about how the Republicans' blind pro-INDUSTRY legislation is a real detriment to society, the economy and America's long-term health. It's more failed Reaganism. Frosty must envey China's regulation.
Watch Frosty's distractions, and don't let him get us off-topic. We can use him to our advantage because we can tell (blog) the big story.
I agree, Marsh. Problems with pressure nthe columns causing collapse, retreat mining activities, work too close to walls of other mined chambers also causing support weakness... seems like they create underground thorofares similar to a house of cards. You can only brace so much against the weight.
CNN reporting one of the nine injured rescue workers has died. Prayers for all the miners and their families.
the probable cause of the collapse is due to a dangerous method known as retreat mining.
Retreat mining is a term used to reference the final phase of an underground mining technique known as Room and pillar mining. This involves excavating a room, or chamber while leaving behind pillars of material for support. This excavation is carried out in a pattern advancing away from the entrance of a mine. Once a deposit has been exhausted using this method, the pillars that were left behind initially are removed, or 'pulled', retreating back towards the mines entrance. After the pillars are removed the roof (or back) is allowed to collapse behind the mining area. Pillar removal has to occur in a very precise order in order to reduce the risks to workers, due to the high stresses placed on the remaining pillars by the abutment stresses of the caving ground.
Big Yellow Dog,
Frosty/Sally/Steve (yada, yada, and blah, blah, blah) has been a pest here since shortly after the site went up. Says it's his hobby, but the truth is, when people come here and read what whacko republics write, it helps create more Democrats. :-)
Duh, (and *sheepish grin*)
...shoulda been pressure ON the colums
whoops.
Naw, Frosty, a lot of them (and I know many) just sit back and laugh at you foolish trolls.
And, yes, we can hang it on incompetent bush appointing incompetent crony people to important positions.
Rove says they can beat Hillary because she's flawed, but I think he's MOST afraid of her. I'm sure he's afraid of all the experieced candidates that have been vetted and have leadership and legislative accomplishments. Why?
How could he spin 8 years of Clinton/Gore Democratic leadership vs. 8 years of Bush/Cheney Republican leadership? The Republicans are far worse in every catagory. Is he going to blame it all on one crazy arab from the Bin Laden family?
Also, with Starr's partisan $64 million dollar investigation that looked at everything the Clinton's ever did, and found nothing, Hillary is as they say... "clean."
But the media has found a way to NOT look at accomplishments or issues. They dismiss the Democratic record progress with the "like-ability" poll. Is that even a word? They have the nerve to ask/poll people what they think about HER, after the right has dogged her for years, rather than ask about her agenda and record on the issues.
My point is that this vague poll is very subjective, and a total distraction. As if we can really rate people with this scale. How about does she "fight for workers and kids?"
However, the media uses this biased scale/rating to support THEIR story-lines and caricatures.
The media's agenda is to keep the race tight, like a horse race, so everybody tunes in to watch and listen, which sells more papers and ads, so everybody gives to a cause, so HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS go right to the media pockets, then they can influence the outcome, and have NO REGULATION from a government that is pro-corporate america.
By the same token, I'm sure Rove does not want to face Gore. It's a track record he can't deny.
We need to have some debates with Rove and Begala.
"Bring it on!"
A link to what?
well, how about a link or links comparing the mass of the twin towers (mostly hollow) to the mass of the mountain above the mine (mostly not hollow)?
how about a link detailing the difference in seismic propogation in bedrock (what NYC is built upon) vs. a conglomerate soil (what the mine was under)?
you know, a link with some proof to any of these "facts" you seem to pull out of your ass on a regular basis.
The link is my memory.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
encyclopedia idiotica?
Posted by FrostySally on August 17, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Yes, we can blame this on Bush because he ONCE AGAIN put "the fox in-charge of the hen house." So Bush's lack of leadership is directly related to 2007 being the most dangerous years in mining history since 1932. Have some Christian morals with your laws.
You can also blame Reagan for rolling back labor laws and workplace protection.
Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on August 17, 2007 at 12:37 AM
excellent idea, tho it seems to require an act of god just to get the candidates to debate.
i'd love to see rove vs. begala!
no contest.
roves strategies all seem to revolve around telling a lie until people believe it. hard to pull off in a face to face debate.
http://www.YouPolls.com/He promised to lower your tax, but he never promised that you will not pay for it later. This is how naive people are. It's a sad story that our kids will inherit this massive debt problem. China Will Own us it's called the Balance of Payment, we issue
Treasuries they buy them we spend on the war, then our kids will have figure out how to pay back ---by then it's not Bushs' problem because no one will remember him. ------------> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=302
http://www.YouPolls.com/
Just as I figured, and as usual, no credible links. The messenger brings no credible message. Ha!
Good night/morning, Marsh, and all.
Even you, Frosty.
Posted by FrostySally on August 17, 2007 at 12:44 AM
So Hillary and Bill were the only clean ones in AK. Starr spent tens of million, and many years, and got nothing on the Clintons. The first SP, before the highly partisan Starr, said nothing is there. Years later, we know he was right. Talk about a "witch-hunt."
Bill lied about a minor fling with an eager woman, which any man would do to protect his family. And Monica went to Washington with "Presidential Knee pads," so we know how it started.
And don't forget... NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED!
Isn't it impossible to not impeach now, with major lies and damages, after the Republicans lowered to bar to include personal, non-state matters?
Don't lie. Hillary is clean as can be. She would have lost in NY is she they had the least bit of dirt. Hillary was slamming Rudy before he bailed out of that race.
Face it! Every Republican policy has failed. Republicans have nothing. They can't even secure our major ports. They would outsource that to foreign nations. Real good.
Your Republicans, starting with Nixon, have put us at the mercy of China. Republican foreign and domestic policy is a complete failure.
I can't wait for the Republicans to get a candidate so they can praise your failed policies. You can see them "flip-flopping" already. Are all the Republican candidates going to run away from Bush now, after they supported him all the way?
Bring it on!
Big_Yellow_Dog,
I agree.
A Hillary nomination is the extreme right's worst nightmare.
The extreme right can't attack Hillary because everything about her is old news and the extreme right can't do anything about it.
And a successful Hillary Presidency will undermine everything the extreme right has done for the past several years.
Hillary is still the national front runner and she hasn't lost any meaningful ground.
The extreme right has passively voiced that a Hillary presidency would energize the right.
Actually the extreme right would be humiliated if Hillary wins and gets us out of Iraq and unites Americans like Bill did in the 90's.
The only ones who will be complaining are the extreme right, but they complain about everything.
The extreme right is full of lies and can't be believed.
They aren't even relevant anymore.
you seem a bit limp yourself these days sally. hope you and kkkarl will get together on that self shining shoe venture.
DERRY, New Hampshire (Reuters) - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani, whose strained relations with his children have drawn unwelcome attention in the race for U.S. president, asked on Thursday that voters "leave my family alone."
The former mayor of New York conceded there were "complexities" among his relatives but said any troubled relationships were irrelevant to his performance in public life...
... a spokesman for the ghouliani family said their wish was that rudy would leave them alone.
Dopey Frosty with his dribble was here last night. No harm done, he's hopeless and insignificant.....
Good Morning Gregg,...looks like 5 storm related deaths here yesterday..."My Lady" got home safely last night! A lot to be thankful for!
I received a nice letter from the ACLU yesterday. They are continuing to make life miserable for The Bushwacker and Gonzo The Clown. Will send them a small contribution. If they raise $25 each from 2 million respondents, that's enough cash to keep the law suits going for quite awhile......GOOD JOB!!!
morning goodfoe. glad to hear your family is ok. looks like a bunch of storm stuff is heading into the gulf.
The hurricane has me concerned. We had complete grid lock in many parts of the city yesterday for several hours. In some parts of the city, people were standing outside their cars on the freeways for as long as 4 hours. And that was just a little storm. At one point, over 17,000 people were with out power. Too bad we didn't spend that Iraq "oil war money" on our own infrastructure....
We have three "men" (Bush, Cheney and Rove) who went to great lengths to avoid active duty military service during 'Nam. These "men" are happy to send other people's children off to die on their war for oil. I might be in favor of the draft if I thought we could draft the young Republicans to serve. But they won't serve, these young chicken hawks will find a way to buy their way out of service. I see where one of Bush's daughters is getting married. That is two more young chicken hawks, neither of which will serve!
The home grown terrorists that we have in this country right now don't have to attack. All they have to do is to wait for a Katrina like storm to hit the Port of Houston directly. The Port of Houston supplies over 25% of the gasoline and diesel fuel that this country uses. No fuel, no trucks running, no trucks running, no food delivered to the grocery stores. No food, anarchy in two or three days, I guess that is when Bush will declare martial law and ATEMPT to appoint himself dictator. I don't think that will work out well for him...
Morning JohnBoy and gregg,
JohnBoy - I am glad everything is ok and your lady got home safely. It's just a crime the money bush has pissed away in Iraq that could have been used to do some good here in the US.
Do you think bush will send "brownie" down to Peru to help out? There are over 400 dead so far and one town south of Lima lost 25% of the buildings which were flattened. The town was known for a large number of churches.
The weather pattern is the same here. Nothing.
“No kingdom has ever had as many civil wars as the kingdom of Christ.”
-- Montesquieu, French philosopher (1689-1755), Persian Letters, 1721
What do you want to bet that bush will throw a huge wedding at the National Cathedral and a bigger bash on the White House lawn for his daughter. After all, she is a princess and after all, bush is the emperor. The wedding and reception will make Princess Di's wedding look like an elopement.
If I remember correctly, nixon's daughter was married while he was president and it was a low key affair.
The wedding reception will no doubt be the largest gathering of assholes ever.
“No kingdom has ever had as many civil wars as the kingdom of Christ.”
-- Montesquieu, French philosopher (1689-1755), Persian Letters, 1721
Posted by GOTV on August 17, 2007 at 08:06 AM
That's a great quotation, But I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what it means or should mean to us today. Pardon me if I seem a little slow, it's because I am....
Great job MSHA chief richard (stick-in-the-ass) stickler.
3 Rescue Workers Killed at Utah Mine
Good morning, all.
Posted by Johnedwrd on August 17, 2007 at 08:13 AM
Please, John, don't encourage comparisons with the Godfather. A Bush crime family wedding? Complete with Cheney giving out favors to the guests, and lobbyists lavishing bribes on all the corrupt GOP politicans attending?
It would be more like the biggest rich white trash wedding of the season. Bush would probably give away the wrong Twin and everybody would be so drunk they wouldn't notice.
Tony Snow would probably hire Paris Hilton to be the wedding coordinator and Britney Spears to be the wedding singer. I can see the whole wedding party now down on the floor rolling around doing the Worm.
Laura and Rush Limbaugh would have a contest to see who could blow the best smoke rings at each other. And Spunky would have to hold off his wife from parking cars for the guests so she doesn't kill anyone.
A Grace Kelly royal wedding? I think not. Jenna would be wise to have a nice Texas socialite wedding with her friends and not let Brownie or the Bush war department plan any of it.
The only terrorists that are threatening America
are the terrorists in the white house who refuse to believe in global warming. They are the real terrorists. Watch your back.
Heat Wave Kills 37 in South, Midwest
morning john and sandy.
looks like the fed is getting quite nervous about the ecomony. they just made a move the pundits were saying they wouldn't make as it would signal a crisis:
Fed cuts rate for loans to banks
Action by central seeks to restore calm to financial markets
Updated: 5 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Federal Reserve, declaring that increased economic uncertainty poses risks for U.S. business growth, announced Friday that it has approved a half-percentage point cut in its discount rate on loans to banks.
The action was the most dramatic effort yet by the central bank to restore calm to global financial markets which have been roiled in the past week by a widening credit crisis.
The decision means that the discount rate, the interest rate that the Fed charges to make direct loans to banks will be lowered to 5.75 percent, down from 6.25 percent.
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The Fed did not change its target for the more important federal funds rate, which has remained at 5.25 percent for more than a year.
However, it has been infusing billions of dollars in money into the banking system over the past week to keep that rate from rising above the target level.
Many economists believe if the financial market crisis worsens the Fed will soon move to cut the federal funds rate as well.
Dems chances to grow House majority surge
By: Josh Kraushaar and Patrick O'Connor
Aug 16, 2007 08:11 PM EST
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morning all:
A potential wave of Republican retirements is dimming the GOP's already slim chances of recapturing the House in 2008.
ooops, sorry for messy one above, I need another coffee! :)
Good article on how Rove used Religion and Greed to win past elections. And you had little guys like the trolls here, who bought it line and sinker. Easily swayed little minds!
"Bill Moyers will consider the departure of Karl Rove in a video essay released early by PBS to RAW STORY. Moyers, a Texan like Rove and Bush, is not easily swayed by the commentators and administration figures who have been quick to describe Rove as "brilliant ... mastermind ... boy genius."
"Karl Rove figured out a long time ago," says Moyers, "that the way to take an intellectually incurious, draft-averse naughty playboy in a flight jacket with chewing tobacco in his back pocket and make him governor of Texas was to sell him as God's anointed."
"Rove turned religion into a weapon of political combat," explains Moyers
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bill_Moyers_Greed_and_God_won_0816.html
gregg,
It's a crisis already. I assume its the foriegn investors that they are worried about most. If they pull out, so will all the domestic investors.
As soon as the world bankers started taking moves to stablize their own reserves, the Fed was backed into a corner. They've been forced to admit to the world that we are nothing more than a banana republic.
Other countries are taking steps to protect themselves from the Bush administration's six years of fiscal malfeasance. It's a nice parting gift to the coalition of the willing...and not so.
Put on your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumping ride before the Rapture kicks in.
Pam...good morning!...you should repost about Moyers on the
NEW THREAD
Pam,
I didn't know that Bush chewed tobacco. Maybe that explains why his whole legacy is in a spitoon.
The Party Builders Blog have realy missed the boat when it comes to rateing the Democrats running for President.
The TWO for one, is Hillary and Bill"not" Bill Richardson. The rateing scores are all off.
Hillary and Bill are front runners. They will change Government and Foreign Policies for the GOOD of the people in our Country and for the people of all Foreign Countries, rather than some
dream that has been tried for the last 500 years and has never worked.
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