I'm all for reducing green gases. But having read up on both sides of the issue, global warming is NOT as cut and dried as the GW religionists claim it to be. What we need is for the believers to argue against it, and the non-believers to argue for it, giving both sides the opportunity to more honestly consider the opposing view. Wouldn't that be a profound exercise of integrity?

:-O

This is totally unreal!! AL I hope your movie didn't come out too late!

Debating reality is for fools. Opinions are just that.

I don't need a scientist to tell me the climate is changing. OR that we (humans) are making it WORSE not better.

Posted by jderekwar on September 11, 2007 at 12:11 PM

A chunk of arctic ice the size of Florida seems like very compelling evidence to me.

Posted by Stephanie on September 11, 2007 at 01:57 PM

yes and then there is that! ;-)

(that's only lately)

Ah, seems there are only GWs in the office today. I, too, was duped into believing the New Faith after first watching Al's video. But then I learned that there were other scientists who carried the same credentials but disagreed with Al and his cronies. Melting ice caps are a fact. But what is causing them to melt is not. Sure the climate is warming up as it has done every several hundred years (long before man-made green house gases).

But before we spend billions of dollars fixing our emissions, shouldn't we first be certain as to the cause and not jump, as Al and many others have, to a conclusion that does NOT have the buy-in of even the majority of scientists?

Try http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-03-04-1.html

or

http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-04-29-1.html

Stephanie, a chunck of melting arctic ice the size of Florida is indeed evidence, but evidence of global warming caused by green house gases? Not by a long shot.

JDEREKWAR,THESE SCIENTISTS YOUR TALKING ABOUT ARE MOSTLY FUNDED BY OIL COMPANYS TO DISPROVE GLOBAL WARMING TO SAVE THEM MONEY!GLOBAL WARMING IS A FACT.

Guh wha?

So everybody who disagrees with the thought that Global Warming is caused by greenhouse gases is automatically a slave to the oil industry?

I don't believe that as much as I believe we're cutting our own planet in half.

As far as I know, the Government put regulations on CFCs as far back as 1992. What's happened to them since I don't know, but since no one talks about the O-Zone any more it must not be a problem.

While this is definitely news-worthy, I don't think that greenhouse gases are responsible.

The changing weather patterns are far from what everybody predicts: Greenhouse gasses causing all this warm weather and stuff. The truth is, it's been a very erratic year for weather patterns, and the fact everybody's conspiracy theorizing about it just proves how very little we know of our own weather patterns.

So it's a warmer than normal year. This happens pretty much -every year-. I bet that, to balance things off, this coming winter will be full of snow. Wet snow. The kind that makes ice.

What our local "GLobal Warming Experts" need to realize is that this is happening without the consent nor involvement of man itself. Volcanoes erupt, hurricanes form, and rain falls from the sky. Is there anyhting we can't make a crisis about?

For my final statement, I'll say this: If it's going to kill us all, it'd have already started killing us by now. And by "us" I mean everybody in the world, and I don't see any global warming-related deaths in the news, so...

YOUR PROBABLY ON OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THE WORLD STATRED WITH ADAM AND EVE,OR THAT NOA AND THE ARK HELD 2 OF EVERY ANIMAL BUT CANT FACE THE SCIENTIFIC FACT OF GLOBAL WARMING.POLUTION HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE THE 1970S NOW ITS STARTING TO AFFECT THE ATMOSPHERE. FACT!!EVEN THE BAFOON WE CALL THE PRESIDENT ADMITS THIS FACT AND HE IS A BOOB,WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU?

Maybe he's lying again.

I'll believe global warming when I no longer have to shovel my drive way in the winter

peaceman , you don't sound very peacefull

PS noa is actually noaH

PS noa is actually noaH

elvis,thats why they call it GLOBAL WARMING, not elvis's driveway warming!!

Why is the ice getting thicker around Greenland? I believe that the earth is going through a cycle and is getting warmer, but it is not a direct result of man. It's caused by the sun.

Umm this one is pretty easy. You can do the experiment in a controlled enviornment and show that the green house effect is real. I believe it was Shell oil co. who offered I think 10k to any scientist who would debuff the green house effect. That was the only ad I have seen for such but I'm sure there are others. At one time it was argued by scientist (of course paid by tobacco co.) that cigarette smoke was harmless. Do you still believe it is? I could go on and on. It is a fact that green house gasses cause and/or increase the rate of global warming.
But hey we don't have to worry about it. Let us continue or modern American thinking. Let's take what we can, do what we want and not worry about it. After all some great cataclysm or disaster of men will surely destroy the world before our great great great grandchildren will inherit the earth.

almost forgot the gasses from auto exhaust and other chemical realeses are not really good for peoples lungs, try not focusing on the cig smoke and worry about what you drive and the amount of electricity you use if you are truely concerned about peoples health including your own. You should also consider the amount of high frequency radiation being put out by communication devices. cell phones use microwave radiation which is the same thing is the thing most likely in your kitchen. The kitchen one works by exciting water molecules (causing them to vibrate producing friction) heating food, not real good on the old brain when small field is generated next to it ie cell phone. I use one, most of us do so do most communication sats orbiting earth. I think they may have more of an impact on us/enviornment then we believe, course I don't think anyone has studied it objectivly enough to know

Some scientists are no more immune to the siren lure of Big Corporate money than some Democrat legislators.
Therefore you have a "controversy" where there should be none. As far as I'm concerned it's been proven, however, to give the sceptics something to think about, I'll say this.
It doesn't matter who or what caused global warming, it is still happening.
The bottom line is that we are still being held hostage by the energy companies, coal, oil and natural gas. They have destroyed the environment in more ways than just global warming, leaving a wake of destruction in their search for more and more profits.
Now the phony "green" ethanol fuel is entering the market to the reduction of food sources, and to zero benefit in terms of reduction of non-renewable energy usage, since they use non-renewable energy to distill the ethanol.
We need to support research into more and better use of renewable energy resources. Especially, if we are going to continue to look at bio-fuels, ways to grow bio-fuels without causing reductions in world food supplies, and without using non-renewable resources to produce these fuels.
We should include lifting restrictions on industrial hemp, which were pushed through Congress in the 1930s at the behest of the DuPont company, which was looking for a way to reduce hemp's competition with DuPont's chemically produced artificial fibers, especially Nylon. Hemp is a non-food crop, and can provide not only fuel, but the means to distill it.
There also needs to be a program to give not only tax breaks to small wind and solar projects, but low interest loans to assist farmers and homeowners in installing wind and solar grid-tied systems.
The energy industry won't like it, because it distributes the wealth more evenly. For instance, if more homeowners in California had grid-tied solar providing energy to the grid, there would be far fewer power outages during the summer, when air conditioners are creating a peak demand.
Global warming is definitely real, drastic changes in the weather patterns are definitely real, The increase in fire seasons and changes in flora in our forests are real.
No matter what the cause, to ignore these facts and not take steps to alleviate as much human-caused stress on the environment as possible is totally stupid even if we aren't the only total cause of this phenomena.
The building is burning, and the people on the top floor are busy throwing a party, and demanding that we ignore the fire, while they throw coal and oil on it.

As a democrat I have researched global warming. Mars is also experiencing melting of its polar caps. I think the little green men up there are emitting too much c02 like us. I personally think Albert Gore must be some kind of a nut to think we can fall for his idiology. Wait and see in 20 years we'll be hearing about the coming ice age. Thats what we were told 25 years ago.