That's because Limbaugh thinks of them as "servants" not soldiers.

rush says he will apologize as soon as his cleaning lady shows up in the mall parking lot with the cigar box of oxy....

Why do we even dignify the maunderings of a disconnected fool? Let him fester in his own effluvient. His ratings are sinking faster than the Titanic. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

what military did Rush every serve in? the phony soldier is the one that claims to be an expert in military tactics, deployment of troops, logistics, and never spent a day in uniform, except for maybe a "media day" at the local base. that's when they dress you up like a soldier and let you eat at the chowhall. (kinda like take your kid to work day) p.s. those meals at the chow hall are way better than what they normally serve.

Quick, Stephanie, someone needs to warn NH, IA, NV and SC that one of our Florida legislators might sue them for being terrorist "rogue" states. Ok, I would laugh, but it hurts too bad.

From the Palm Beach Post:

"Thursday, September 27, 2007

WEST PALM BEACH — Florida Senate Democratic Leader Steve Geller called Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina "terrorist rogue states" and said he's contemplating a lawsuit against them for pressuring Democratic presidential candidates to boycott Florida.

Geller, of Cooper City, made the remarks to a Democratic Professionals Council luncheon audience of about 50 on Wednesday. He was the group's replacement speaker after the originally scheduled headliner, New Mexico Gov. and presidential hopeful Bill Richardson, canceled because of the pledge not to campaign in Florida."

Geller says he will sue "rogue" states..says he won't attend Dean fundraiser

Please, someone, tell these fools to hush. They are embarrassing all of us. Governor Dean and the DNC have been right all the time on this.

Druggy Limbaugh stinks.

Posted by sunny on September 28, 2007 at 11:25 AM

The Florida Democrats apparently decided that behaving like martyrs is the way to go.

I bet Howard's disappointed that Geller won't be there, LOL.

Good lord, Sunny,

You'd think the "terrorist" brand would be as overused as the equally fictitious "homosexual agenda" brand. It's far past tiresome. It's almost like when ancient-ancient old folks try to use teenage slang. They're looking as silly as they sound.

What happened to the DP in Florida to make them lose their minds as start acting more republic than the Republics?

Must be the pollution. Since the Glades got paved over for McMansions there hasn't been a decent afternoon rain storm to wash it out.

Linbaugh lives in Florida, right?

Posted by Cactusdan on September 28, 2007 at 01:43 PM

It's a nice spin, but Limbaugh's original "phony soldiers" comment came nearly two minutes before he even mentioned MacBeth. You can read more from Media Matters, if you like.

Unfortunately, Rush has a history of viciously attacking our troops. See my latest post here for an audio clip from his radio show in 2005, in which he savagely smears Iraq war veteran Paul Hackett, simply because Hackett had political opinions--developed from actual, on-the-ground service in Iraq--which Rush didn't like.

And on the June 27 edition of his radio program, Limbaugh claimed that the discredited Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth's smear campaign against Sen. John Kerry's (D-MA) Vietnam record "worked because it was true," adding: "The guy's a fraud! He's a total phony, and people were able to see it!"

So, is Sen. John Kerry a "phony?" Is veteran Paul Hackett a "phony?"

I can't believe that Rush still has a job after all the irresponsible things he said. This man should be prevented from spreading his toxic language. Fire Rush and force him to do a real job or make him serve in the miltary. So that way he will get to see first hand what these soldiers have to do in the battlefield. Rush Limbaugh is nothing than a cowardly right-wing extremist who hides behind others and takes drugs. Who died and made Rush Limbaugh an authority on anything. What has Rush ever done that was so great.

I can't believe that Rush still has a job after all the irresponsible things he said. This man should be prevented from spreading his toxic language. Fire Rush and force him to do a real job or make him serve in the miltary. So that way he will get to see first hand what these soldiers have to do in the battlefield. Rush Limbaugh is nothing than a cowardly right-wing extremist who hides behind others and takes drugs. Who died and made Rush Limbaugh an authority on anything. What has Rush ever done that was so great.

Once again: DNC.org taking what is said completely out of context. I know that none of you listen to the show, because if you did you wouldn't have anything to say about Rush. I was listening to this particular show on my computer, and the "phony soldier" comment was made in the context of Jesse McBeth, the self professed Army Ranger who had a purple heart and a silver star for heroics in combat. The same Jesse McBeth who denounced the war and climbed aboard the DNC anti-war bandwagon with Howard Dean supporting him all the way; and the same Jesse McBeth who had the left and the drive by media eating out of his hand for all of his anti war rhetoric he spouted about atrocities he witnessed in Iraq.Well, sadly this is also the same Jesse McBeth who washed out of basic training after 60 days and who never made it to Ranger School and never saw a single day combat. This is where the "phony soldier" comment was then made, after this little revelation about the DNC not doing their homework and jumping up to support any anti war "soldier" they can. So, if you listen to the segment, IN CONTEXT, you'll find out that Rush was not talking about the Soldiers who are there fighting now, he was talking about a basic training wash-out who never saw combat and who passed himself off as a war hero just to get the attention of the DNC. Turns out the DNC was supporting a fake. Way to go! Keep it up! If your going to denounce Rush, at least listen to the show. The drive by media will tell you everything they want you to hear and nothing they don't want you to hear. This is a classic example of media at its worst...er best.

"It's a nice spin, but Limbaugh's original "phony soldiers" comment came nearly two minutes before he even mentioned MacBeth. You can read more from Media Matters, if you like." - Posted by Stephanie September 28, 2007

If you actually listened to the show, the Wednesday, 26 September show, the McBeth subject came up and he called him a phony soldier. The next day on the 27th was when he made the comment in connection with the McBeth story when a caller brought up the same subject. Just go to the sound bytes and listen to the 26th September show. So, in reality, Rush first refered McBeth as a phonie soldier the DAY BEFORE. Rush made the comment in the context of Jesse McBeth. As a researcher for the DNC, I would expect more of a stellar job in...uh...well...research. I know you don't listen to the show. What kind of kool-aid is being made in the DNC HQ?

A "phonie" soldier? Kool-aid at DCN headquarters? What kind of "koolaid" is Rush taking these days?

Let's hear it for the non-thinkers who continue to spew racist, bigot propaganda farmed out by narrow minded, overpaid, shock disc jockeys maquearading as news media. Get an opinion of your own babies.

By the way, when referring to the "phonie" (sic) soldier, was Rush speaking of W. or Cheney?

Rushbabies

The reason why I said what I said before is that often Limbaugh attacks people and says racist things. He has a history of doing stuff like this. I got so worked up about this because it truly makes me angry when people like him do character assassin attacks on others. There is noone out there that can effectively take on Rush and challedge him. If I angered you in any way, I apologize for it.

Darien - No worries. You didn't anger me at all. Do you listen to the show? I do at times since he is on AFRTS, and one of the first things I learned is not to take everything he says seriously. Alot of what he says is meant to draw a reaction. Grand sarcasm. I have never heard Rush say anything racist or bigoted at all. As a matter of fact, he supports everybody being totally equal in America. I've heard Rush talk about how everyone in America must and should have equal chances to work hard and contribute to the greatness of America on multiple shows. Most of what is heard about Rush is taken wholly out of context by the people that want to shut him up. Think about it. Listen to the show one time, if you don't already, and find out the real story for yourself. Don't rely on this forum or any other for information about anyone.

"Get an opinion of your own babies."
JohnPitt - That wasn't opinion. What I wrote was fact and it lies in the sound bytes of the show. If you don't believe me, fine. The truth is out there. You can think whatever you want. You can either remain ignorant or you can learn something.

Maybe Rush meant phony soldier and meant Al Hubbard. You know that guy that testified with John Kerry to the House on Vietnam atrocities. One problem Al was never in the Air Force as he testified. Sounds like Jesse McBeth.

I am more disturbed that we didn't carefully listen to what Limbaugh said. I read the script and listened to the context of the comment. We must not lose critical listening and reading skills. He owes no apology to troops for what he said. I may not agree with him, but we need to get it right. Harry Reid needs to apologize to the troops. Not all democrats agree with Harry Reid. I believe Hillary will see the Iraq thing through.

Rushbabies; A few of your hero's quotes if you care to become "less ignorant"

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get
a liquor store and practice robberies" Rush

"If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--
I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely
no knowledge whatsoever to do--let the stupid and
unskilled Mexicans do that work." Rush

"have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted
criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"
Rush Limbaugh

"They oughtta change Black History Month to Black Progress Month and start measuring it. [27 February 2006] Rush

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it." [February 19, 2007] Rush

"Why should Blacks be heard? They're 12% of the population. Who the hell cares? " Rush

If none of these sound racist to you - good for you!

In case you were unaware, "GET AN OPINION OF YOUR OWN" was not intended to say your material was or was not an opinion. It was intended to say "think for yourself" instead of letting Rush think for you.

I have listened to Limbaugh's show and find it repulsive, so please don't say I am ignorant. I do not judge without experiencing firsthand. I have experienced Rush on the radio, and have arrived at my opinion of him.

The unfounded character assassination of Rush Limbaugh by Democratic members of the Senate is chilling to say the least. Watching someone that you do not agree with being ripped to shreds with exceptionally questionable 'facts' that have been distorted and taken out of context, as well as with false allegations made up solely to try to discredit one of your critics reminds me more of McCarthyism than anything else. Shame on you. This is just another reason, why independents are seriously questioning why in the world they would trust the Democrats. I know I can't.

I am not a Republican nor particularly a Rush Limbaugh fan. I do however, listen to him almost every day with a critical ear, as I do to all other radio talk show hosts and other political commentators. I often disagree with Limbaugh as I do almost everyone in politics.

I cannot recall Limbaugh using the term "phony soldiers" within the context advanced by Rep. Harry Reid or Sen. Tom Harkins on the floor of the House and floor of the Senate.

Limbaugh explained that he was referring to Jessie McBeth and other frauds, political activists who oppose the war in Iraq, who also pass themselves off as veterans and war heroes. That is consistent with my memory of the events surrounding the "phony soldiers" remark. Rush further explained (essentially) that McBeth is the paradigm of the type of "soldier" he was referring to. McBeth enlisted in the miltary and was promptly "washed out" as unsuitable while in basic training. McBeth got his discharge after 44 days of "service," then started his rant against the war in Iraq as an activist. He applied for veteran's benefits under false pretenses, claimed he won a purple heart and in general besmirched the true soldiers who do serve bravely.

I think this attack on Limbaugh represents a new low in Democrat Party strategy. It obvously is to target the substrata of the Democrat constitutency--the undeducated type that respond to Democrat demagoguery. Anyone who knows the naure of Limbaugh would know that he would not refer to anyone who serves honorably as a "phony soldier," regardless of their political views and regardless of their opposition to the war.

When you lend credence to losers like McBeth, you are also giving impetus to your own loss at the elections in 2008. I haven't voted for a Democrat or Republican since 1988, but this campaign is getting so sleazy, I may have to once again choose the lesser of evils.

There has to be better things for Harry Reid to do now that we control the senate. Please tell me he has real work he is going to do.

Has anyone heard of free speech. Why are our senators attacking a private citizen? Let's face it. Ried isn't exactly a lover of the troops. He already declared the war lost.

Maybe we should get back to doing the work of the people and stop name calling like a bunch of children.

There are more important matters. Like why haven't the troops been brought home? Now that's real support.

THE FAR RIGHT CONDEMNS THE COMMENTS OF MOVEON.ORG FOR DISRESPECTING "THE GOOG GENERAL" BUT THEN QUOTE THE 1ST AMENDMENT WHEN DEFENDING ONE OF THE BIGGEST BIGOT HATE MONGERS ON THE AIR,YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!

peaceman,

You seem to dumb to participate in politics. If you can't put real speach down on paper, instead of hate mongering. You don't belong here. You obvious have no idea what you are talking about. You should read a newspaper once and while, that may help you through this dumb period in your life.

ABBIS,MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN HOW TO SPELL BEFORE YOU CALL OTHER PEOPLE DUMB.PERSONAL ATTACKS ON PEOPLE COMMENTING ON THIS BLOG HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS,SEEMS TO ME YOUR THE HATE MONGER.

If you actually look at the house vote comdenming the Moveon.org add, the vote was overwhelming bipartisan, it was not a right-wing or left-wing vote. Its simple common sense, but if want to censor Rush Limbaugh for his comments, then throw out the 1st Amendment, because once you have a gov't telling, we the American people what is speech and what is not speech. Then all is lost and we will have a Stalinist Society, wake up and stop letting your emotions speak for you, think with your brain, its what GOD gave you.

oldemocrat1,your missing the point,i don't condem rush,i just don't listen to him,not like i haven't,i don,t agree with his views,so i choose not to listen to him.the point i am trying to make is everyone has a right to voice there veiws,even moveon,you can't condem someones views just because you don't like what they say.the 1st amendment is for all americans.

What is yor point? Censoring people you don't like. What the democratic party did yesterday was so close to what Stalinist Russia did, scared me. This is a democracy, if we let this happen again it won't be for long. Congress should be doing things for the American people, like ending a war, that they promised to do if we elected them. So- far they done the opposite, and now are going after private citizens. We elect these people to do right and follow the constitution, so far they have not done so. I'm afraid that we were duke, I'm stil waiting for this war to end, instead I see a gov't going after private citizens for free speech, I'm very afraid, I saw this during the McCarthy era, read it books about Stalin and others. This is not what I voted for, if the party didn't like what you had to say and tried to censor you, how would feel. You would feel like you were in another country, not the U.S.A. Think about it.

and yes i am emotional,i've had 7 1/2 years of bullshit with this administration and i'm very angry.the democratic leadership i campained for in the last election have turned out to be middle of the roaders who bow to the will of bush.i say impeach both the bafoon and darth vader.

and yes i am emotional,i've had 7 1/2 years of bullshit with this administration and i'm very angry.the democratic leadership i campained for in the last election have turned out to be middle of the roaders who bow to the will of bush.i say impeach both the bafoon and darth vader.

THE POINT IS! THAT YOU SAID CONDEMING MOVEON " IS SIMPLE COMMON SENCE" WHILE CONDEMING RUSH IS "STALINIST" ?

I come from a long line of men, who have proudly served this nation in good times as well as bad.
I personally served during Vietnam. Mr. Linbaugh's recent comments really don't surprise those of us who serve. Many of those who did'nt serve, swear they know it all.(Bush, Cheney, etc.) He does have the right to speak what he thinks, but as a veteran who gladly put his life on the line for those rights, so do I. Mr. Linbaugh, I challenge you to "Pick up a weapon & man a post". If you can't or won't then SHUT UP!!

If Rush were in power we would have no rights in his facist government. He would sling propaganda at anyone with a brain like he does now. He is so far right he is in his own party, the party of falsehood! Let Rush move back to his old country, that being North Korea, and let him live with the other dictators. Lets clean up the air and get the guy off the radio.

Why are so many of you Democrats want to start censoring people? I don't get it, I always thought that democrats would always fight for liberties for all Americans. So when did we democrats start picking and choosing? Im a old vet and thought, these Dems would stand up for all of us even those who they disagree with. I remember during a 60 minute interview, Nancy Pelosi said she was going to bring both side together if we elect the Dems. What a LIE!!! This is not the Democratic party of the old, these new Democrats are like old Republicans, they just take monies from the likes big business and big internet groups to fill their coffers. Then when these groups want something done, guess who starts mouthing off. Stop wasting the time of we Americans with this trival boloney, there is a war going for which you promised to stop. So far since you came into power, more than 30,000 troops went to Iraq aka "the Surge". Billions of dollars have went to Iraq, Then when I look at some within the Democratic party, they are actually profiting from it. Have we been hoodwink by these so-called New Democrats? I think so.

I listened to Rush today. He spent most of his mike time crying like a little girl, justifying his idiotic comment, and claiming he was being smeared. Then he dried his eyes and sniffled a little, then he smeared democrats for a while until he felt better. He smeared Murtha, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, the MediaMatters folks, and the MoveOn folks mostly, but it is hard to tell when these radio-righties start hammering on "liberals" just who they mean. Like, Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, right?

Next he claimed that the Media Matters folks and Harry Reid were trying to interpret what he was thinking and what he meant by the "phoney soldiers" comments, to their political advantage. And that started him sobbing and whining again, so he switched gears and interpreted Reid's and Murtha's inner thoughts about how they really want the USA to lose the war, and how they hate America so much, and then he called them Stalinists.

Odd, that Rush thinks it is bad for someone to interpret his secret thoughts, but it is OK, bread and butter, really, for him to do the same to some "liberal".

This is all true! If you weren't listening, you missed a real wild one today!

When I read what Rush Limbaugh said, I had 3 choices to make about my perception surrounding the meaning of his statement.

1. Believe what he said
2. Agree with what he said
3. Become horrified with what he said

If I did any of the 3, this would mean I would have ownership of the statement. To react you would have ownership of his statement.

Rush Limbaugh is a talk radio host. His job is to shock and ignite talk. I accept no more than that and understand that I own what I want to hear.

This presidential race has a long way to go. I will remain impartial and fair, this is what I own. Election day will do the rest.

I've said it time and time again: the DNC is a socialist organization that owes it's current position to the likes of Stalin and Kim Jong-il themselves. Harry Reid moves to have Rush censured? To have someone who has an opinion and an agenda different than his own, basically shut up, is boorish behavior at best and the "evidence" that the DNC is using to smear Rush is spotty at best, also. Once held up to the light it evaporates. The "evidence" has been taken so out of context and twisted, you can't see where the lies begin and end. This kind of activity only happens in communist "paradises" such as the former USSR and the DPRK. Censoring public opinion? In the USA? Mr. Reid, what is going on here? This should not even be happening in America. Aren't there other issues at hand on the floor of the Senate that have to be dealt with and have more precedent? This is a political stunt orchestrated by Dr. Dean to take the spotlight off the DNC for its failures in leading the country since they gained a slim majority in '06. How low will the DNC go to win? Don't know, but I guess we will soon find out.

rushbabies,it was ok for the house to condemn the ads against "the good general" by moveon.org but not comments by rush.any codemnation or censorship on either side is wrong,the congress should have better things to do.

The entire Demoncratic Party should apologize to our young men and women. You don't give a damn about any of them. You are a bunch of hypocritical, disingenuous, pompous, self-serving, power-hungry jackasses! You make me puke every time I hear one of you're propagandist remarks. Rush Limbaugh has more support for our troops in his pinky than evryone of you traitorous bastards put together. You care more for the welfare and morale of our enemies. Your party is a national disgrace from top to bottom. You abandoned common decency years ago. You would consider JFK a raving,right-wing radical were he alive today. Someone please explain what happened to your party?

Patriotmom, MJM

Reread your posts! You are guilty of the same kind of self-serving pomposity of which you accuse democrats!

By all means, voice your opinions, which amount to thoughtless smears of patriotic democrats who don't share your views on the war or on the current administration. Speak out! about how you think dems are traitors for speaking out!

You are the ones who are guilty of trying to force your political opponents into your mould of political correctness! And you don't even see how hypocritcal you are.

mjm,why come to this blog if we make you puke? you must like to puke.

Rushbabies

I tried to get Rush on my radio in Ohio but it is impossible which radio station carries him. I know he works for Clear Channel. One of the reasons I became a Democrat is because they are the party that represents the disabled. I am glad that Hillary wants to help the disabled. I support any candidate that actively wants to help the disabled.

anne_earring,

Please don't accuse me of political correctness. I cannot stand PC. That was something brought about by liberals. It is demeaning to so many. I don't need the PC crowd to tell me how to treat my fellow human beings with civility and dignity. I learned that as a very young man in a loving home and community.

"Thoughtless smears"? Unlike a lot of folks on both sides, I get my news from as many sources as possible. That which I question, I research by examining as many sources as possible. I listen to all views and opinions before drawing conclusions. By the way peaceman, that is why I visit sites like this. You too should try new sources of news other than CNN, moveon.org and the like.

Your party has a history of bashing our soldiers. Having been a soldier, I can tell you NO ONE wants the war to end more than the ones who have to fight it. You think Republicans and the soldiers WANT the war to continue? You are absolutely demented. We want to destroy an enemy who has vowed to destroy us. What don't you understand about that. We want to protect our way of life, a life in which FREEDOM exists. We don't want to live in a world where we have to bow down to another's god or where we cannot worship our own. As much as I want the war to end I will fight anywhere and anytime to preserve my AND YOUR rights. So you don't like the war? Fine but quit bashing our troops and those who truly do support them.

The plight of the rightwing continues - why can't you people understand that "SUPPORTING THE TROOPS" does not necessarily mean keeping them in the killing fields in an unjust war?

If "SUPPORTING THE TROOPS" means never asking a question of an incompetent president with only croanies and billionaires in his heart, then I guess I don't "SUPPORT THE TROOPS".

If "SUPPORTING THE TROOPS" means DENYING them sufficient breaks between tours of duty so they have time to be with their families, then I guess I don't "SUPPORT THE TROOPS"

It seems to me that all the blowhards who put yellow stickers on their cars can throw that phrase around freely, but don't have the spines to stand up and do something real to "SUPPORT THE TROOPS".

Wrap yourself in your red, white, and blue, continue to never think an independant thought, and continue the mind-numbing Limbaugh listening. Afterall, he "SUPPORTS THE TROOPS"

MJM,IF YOU MAKE REASONABLE COMMENTS INSTEAD OF HATE FILLED RANTS PEOPLE MIGHT TAKE YOU SERIOUS. I TOO GET EMOTIONAL AT TIMES BUT IT MOST TIMES GETS ME NO WHERE .

Hah! Thanks, MJM, for making my points for me!

You don't even know me, yet you call me "demented", and assume I don't get my news from sources approved by YOU! FYI I get news from PBS, CNN, FOX, Drudgereport, the BBC ... you have no claim to the high-ground when it comes to keeping informed.

You posted "You (dems) make me puke every time I hear one of you're propagandist remarks" (sic) ... then you go on to claim that I bashed the troops ... which I never did. You posted "You (democrats) care more for the welfare and morale of our enemies. Your party is a national disgrace from top to bottom. You abandoned common decency years ago ... and then you claim not to be a force for PC??? That is just YOU, relexively spewing right-wing propaganda and smearing democrats for voicing our opinions. Hah, your own postings show you for what you are!

Oh, and btw, I am quite prepared to help destroy the terrorists, fundamentalist muslims who want to destroy us. What do those enemies have to do with the ongoing destruction of Iraq?

And since you are on your high horse, and showing by your posts exactly how civil you really are, can you cite even one instance of democrats bashing the soldiers, please?

BY NOT SUPPORTING AN ADMINISTATION THAT HAS FAILED THIS COUNTRY, ISN'T "NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS" IT'S CALLED FREEDOM.DISAGREEING WITH THE GOVERMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TROOPS, IT HAS TO DO WITH WHO PUT THEM THERE!

Anne,

You are absolutely clueless! Enjoy your life. I have work to do 'm lady.

Oh, a final thing. Since you are so well rounded you should be familiar with the anit-troop remarks from Kerry, Murtha, Ried, and some of the most inflamatory more recently from Chuck Schumer. I hope I got that spelling correct. Those are just a few. Oh wait, what about the soldier who attempted to speak at the pink organization who was nearly beaten off stage? Give me a break lady. Go rally with Jane Fonda and the rest of the wackos you can recruit.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made so and kept so by the exertions of better man than himself.

- John Stuart Mills

Learn it, Live it, Love it!

Anne,

You are absolutely clueless! Enjoy your life. I have work to do 'm lady.

Oh, a final thing. Since you are so well rounded you should be familiar with the anit-troop remarks from Kerry, Murtha, Ried, and some of the most inflamatory more recently from Chuck Schumer. I hope I got that spelling correct. Those are just a few. Oh wait, what about the soldier who attempted to speak at the pink organization who was nearly beaten off stage? Give me a break lady. Go rally with Jane Fonda and the rest of the wackos you can recruit.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made so and kept so by the exertions of better man than himself.

- John Stuart Mills

Learn it, Live it, Love it!

Peaceman,

You have lost all grip on logic. Maybe you should move to Cananda and take a break from this blog for a while. Cool down and relax. The great thing about this country is we get to vote a new bum in every 4 years, or 8. Save some energy for the next one.

There once was a guy named Rush
People say he looked Like a brush
He let his mind be known
Which was an obvious resound
That Rush was no more than a clown

BigSkyDoc has summed up the debate perfectly. This is the mentality of the liberal democratic's. What happened to the party of JFK? When will respect for different opinions rein in politics? It has all come down to a bunch of name calling. Disgraceful.

Abyss

Hey, you are right, all this name calling is disgraceful! But, gee, all Rush does all day long is 'name call' and disrespect the opinions of others. Lets face it, he is the king of disrespect and name calling. 'Drive by Rush' is just an entertainer nothing more.

Did any of you actually LISTEN to Rush or are you just going by what you've heard. It's a dangerous thing to slander someone based on third party information.

I actually listened to Rush make the statement. He referred SPECIFICALLY to two soldiers. One of them is going to jail for falsifying his actual service record. He claimed he saw horrific tragedies in Iraq. He actually never made it out of basic training and washed out of the service. I think he spent 42 days in basic before being thrown out.

This is embarrassing to us as it puts egg on our faces. We need to verify our facts before taking such a stance. This is as bad as the deserter thing with Bush that mike wallace reported only to find out the documents were phony.

Come on people, get it together. If we want to win, we have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. Let this go, its a non winner. Move on to something else. AND distance yourself from moveon.org. That site is nothing more than a far left national enquirer!

Also. Greg before you post an ignorant statement about oxycontin. I returned from the gulf with an injury that required I take pain killers. The pain never got better and I became dependent upon them. I was in the same boat as Rush.

Not being a celebrity, no one talked about it. It was the hardest habit to kick. Please do not make light of such a situation.

Hey MJM, sorry to be so tardy in responding ... I was getting some work done.

I asked you to cite one example of democrats bashing the soldiers. In your reply, somehow, you forgot to provide any such citation.

Kerry and Murtha are former members of our military, and the right-wing efforts to blacken their service records and purposefully misrepresent their remarks for political gain does not qualify as proof that they bashed the troops. Nor will equating an anti-administration stance with an anti-troop stance (as in the case of Schumer).

With respect to the Code Pink organization, why do you assume those ladies are democrats? Can you prove it? And, even if they are, why do you have a problem with them protesting against war, anyway? Do you want to silence them? What about their first amendment rights? Do you think it is OK for you, civil and dignified as you are, to call a total stranger (and lady, that would be me, and Jane Fonda ftm) wackos?

Please, cite an instance, with a url link that doesn't lead to some right-wing web page.

You righties, and your mouth pieces like Rush, have a lot of divisive-damage to answer for, with your incessant propaganda and spin.

I actually listen to several radio personalities and the general media. I like to HEAR various opinions, even ones I do not agree with. While I do not always agree with Rush Limbaughs commnets or point of view, I do respect him for very well thought out opinions. He is also VERY consistent with his message. This is America, freedom of speech should be defended by us.

Bigdaddy, I do listen to Rush. I've listened to him since the Bush1 days. I listen a lot to as much right wing radio I can stomach, and I highly recommend that all democrats try to do the same. And actually, while it is true that Rush is a troop-supporter ... it is also true that he implied, during that show, that active-duty troops who oppose the war are "phony soldiers".

Bigsky pegged it perfectly. Rush and the others willfully misinterpret the viewpoints of democrats and even moderate republicans for what they perceive to be political gain. We have failed to call them on these tactics, and the far-righties have come to believe their own propaganda.

Hi Patriotmom,

I think it was ME you meant to call either a "loser" until I expire or someone who has been on govt assistance all my life. No shortage of blind prejudice on your part, eh?

And you are pretty fast and loose to call other people "communists", that's a cheap shot sure to get you the knee-jerk reaction you intend. But hey, at least you didn't call Hillary "Hitlery", those Nazi comparisons are so passe'.

Except for all the name calling and PC pressure you apply to set everyone elses' thinking "right", you conservatives are just soooo NICE!

Just to jog your memory a little, it was President BUSH who "downsized our national security". You can check the URL I added to this post,

"Consider the source." Rush Limbaugh is nothing but an entertainer, although anyone with a modicum of intelligence is not entertained. We can only feel embarrassment for ignorant souls who take him seriously, and laugh at him for his role as "fool" at the Republican throne.

When looking through the posts I am smiling at the grammatical and spelling errors of right-wingers-- who, for example, spell "too" as "to" in a post attempting to wither the argument of an educated Democrat. The garbled syntax of many of their posts is also a source of considerable amusement. We should pity these people, not engage in debate with them, for it is not a fair contest. Once again, I say, "consider the source" whether it is Rush or his minions.

Not that it matters to left wing nuts, but, he was talking about phony soldiers. That is, people that claim they were in the service and in fact were not. One notable man has been in the news recently and was celebrated by the nuts on the left.

abbis,name calling isn't limited to liberal dems on this blog,right wingers spew hatefull comments and wonder why the get the same in return.you have to give respect to get it,when your called "leftwingnuts" what kind of responce do you expect ? anger? well you reap what you sew.

I would be laughing if this weren't so pitiful. I wouldn't think the Democrat leadership (Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, Murtha, Durbin, et al) would have the guts to condemn someone for bad-mouthing our military after the slanerous things they've said about our soldiers. I wish our leadership had more class than this, but apparently not.

Agree or disagree with Rush, but one thing he is NOT is anti-military, and the American people know it. Which makes this phony and hypocritical outrage all the more embarrassing.

KBL1975,CAN'T YOU USE YOUR OWN WORDS "PHONY" SOUNDS FAMILIAR TO ME LOL,WONDER WHO SAID THAT?

I SWEAR THESE RIGHTWINGERS CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES,JUST MOUTHPIECES BEING LED AROUND BY THE NOSE.

Huh? Just because I'm honest enough to see the inconsistency of Dick Durbin (who compared our brave soldiers to Pol Pot) or Jack Murtha (who claimed our soldiers are murderers) pretending to be outraged over the word "phony", you call me a right-winger? Please.

kbl1975,well that has been a stance taken by the right wingers "democrats don't support the troops" and then when the try to defend them we are callerd"phony" or "hypocrital". if you take a right wing veiw,then thats how you are percieved, if the shoe fits.

Except that I said nothing about democrats not supporting the troops. All I referenced were the words of our Democrat leadership, which have been far more critical of our soldiers than what Rush supposedly said.

Nor did I take a "rightwing view." I took a pro-soldier view. So please don't blame me for pointing out the indefensible things Durbin, Murtha & Kennedy have said about our brave and noble military men & women.

As I said before, this is embarrassing. Like the silly MoveOn NY Times ad, this is going to come back to haunt us too.

I SEE,YOUR JUST UPSET WITH THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP,NOT THE DEMOCRATS IN GENERAL.IF YOU HAVE A PRO SOLDIER POSITION THAN YOU SHOULD NOT WANT ANY MORE OF THEM TO DIE,LETS GET OUT OF THERE,THATS "PRO SOLDIER" IS IT NOT?

LOL, now who is resorting to party talking points?

yes, this a DEMOCRATIC blog. i am a democrat! and?

Any fair-minded American who listens for 15 minutes to right-wing talk radio will have to admit that their rhetoric is out of hand. It has been out of hand for years, I can testify as a long-time listener (who never calls in).

I've listened to Rush enough to know that he supports the troops, of that there can be no doubt. However, last week, in the heat of conversation with a caller, he certainly did equate soldiers who don't support the war/Bush administration with the phony soldier(s). And he has been back pedaling ever since.

Rush mis-spoke, and imo it is fantastic that he has been called on it. The best outcome we can hope for is that he and other hate radio pundits will choose their words more carefully in the future. BTW during the same show, he called democrats "loonies", that is pretty mild compared to Savage who claims that "liberalism is a mental disorder", or Hannity/Levin who claim that liberals are traitors (then equate liberals with democrats, but never in the same sentence). Say what you will about this particular issue, right-wing rhetoric on radio air waves is extreme and excessive, damaging and divisive, and absent anyone calling the righties on it, will pass as merely expression of opinion under the rubric of free speech.

The only folks I see who are effective at stepping up to the plate and challenging right wing hate-radio are the Media Matters people. I support the troops, and I support Media Matters.

True, a Democrat blog. But this is the comments section. Or are you suggesting we're all supposed to think alike?

No problem At least I know now where you're coming from: I can post what you call talking points as long as you agree with them. That's very open-minded of you. ;-)

earring,
I happened to be listening when that topic came up and it was pretty clear he (and the caller) were referring to the "fake" soldiers who oppose the war. When I read the transcript within the context of what he and the caller had been talking about, plus considered his support of troops over the years, it was hard to claim he was talking about every soldier who happens to oppose the Iraq war.

Even so, it pales in comparison to what Durbin, Murtha, Kerry & Kennedy have said about our brave troops. Of that there is little doubt, unless one is silly enough to equate "phony" to "murderers."

IMO one would have to take a step back and remove his Democratic eye shades to be honest about both sides, which is why it's so difficult for most partisans to refrain from simply piling on.

RE: "hate radio," I'm not about to defend Michael Savage, but both sides have name-callers. As for Media Matters, that's one of HRC's babies so I would expect them to attack Rush.

Follow the money, war is good for business, especially Haliburton.

Why are we still talking about Rush Limbaugh, this is a waste of time. There are real problems going on in the U.S. and here we are discussing this trivial crap. Our leaders should not let a radio personality get under their skin. If they let it, get rid of that Democrat. Im not worried about Rush or any other Radio, Television,Blogger or Cable personality. We have the 1st Amendment and our founding fathers put it their for a reason. FREE SPEECH, HECK look what were doing on this blog.
We should be worried about Social Sercuity, New Orleans, Iran getting the Bomb, Affordable Healthcare,Iraq and the troops,Racism, Terrorism, etc.
In 06 we were promised alot, so far little has been done. I believe the leadership within this party is trying to change the subject by focusing on Rush Limbaugh. Do people within this party actually listen to Rush, NO. We pay an oganization aka "Media Matters" to do it for us.
I wanted change in 06, not this crap. I've been around for many elections, the leadership within this party is a joke.

OldDem is correct, where is the leadership?

olddem: this thread is about rush, so if you don't want to discuss him anymore, you can always find a different board on this site, they keep multiple topics going at once...

kbl: I also heard that show (and shows afterwards as well), and stand by my earlier post(s): rush got carried away by his own rhetoric and misspoke, but what he said was certainly a slam on active-duty soldiers who oppose the war.

Live by the word, die by the word ...

btw can you actually PROVE that mediamatters is "HRC's baby"? please post actual proof, not just politically-motivated claims by right-wingers.

Hi anne,
As I said before, I heard the discussion and I also re-read the transcript. Put into context, it was pretty clear he and the caller were talking specifically about the Jesse McBeth type of soldier. I guess we can agree to disagree on that.

As for Media Matters being one of Hillary's babies, I said that because at the Kos Convention on 8/4/07 she admitted it. Here's the proof you asked for:

"We are certainly better prepared and more focused on, you know, taking our arguments and making them effective and disseminating them widely and really putting together a network in the blogosphere, in a lot of the new progressive infrastructure, institutions that I helped to start and support, like Media Matters and Center for American Progress." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbzC6-N9mwM

IOW, it was not claims by "right-wingers" it was HRC's very own words. As you said, live by the word, die by the word.

BTW, OldDem is right. The Democrat leadership is a joke. IMO they're too busy bending over for the radicals at MoveOn to lead.

Have a great day.

All of a sudden all the libs are worried about someone allegedly badmouthing soldiers. First of all, Rush didn't do that. I was listening the day the subject arose, and I immediately knew exactly of whom he was speaking. Secondly, where was all of the libs' outcry when Murtha was calling Marines cold-blooded murderers, when Durbin was calling our soldiers Nazis and communists, and when MoveOn.org was sliming General Petraeus? WHERE WERE YOU THEN? My son recently returned from his second stint in Iraq, and believe me, he and his fellow soldiers know who really supports them, and it's not the folks who graviate towards the party that starts with a D. If you really want to support the troops, do it every day, all the time, and not just when it suits your fancy and it may score you a few cheap political points.

By the way, liberal thought and speech offends me. All libs should be removed from television, from radio, from the net, and from the newspapers and magazines. Conservatives should target libs' advertisers to make sure they don't send them another nickel. Do you now see how stupid that sounds? That's exactly the attitude ya'll are espousing, except the roles are reversed. Free speech is for everyone, not just for those you agree with.

Thanks, KBL, for the link. It seems that Hillary actually has copped to helping to start and support those two organizations.

In thinking about it, though, I don't have a problem with it. The Clinton's were and continue to be slandered horribly by right-wing radio, and I don't blame them for supporting efforts to set the record straight.

I wish our democratic leaders would sue for slander, as well as supporting media matters. When they don't pursue legal remedy, it leaves doubts that conservatives capitalize upon.

I listen to Rush a lot, and was listening to the show when he brought up the subject of phony soldiers. He was clearly referring to soldiers who openly express anti-war/anti-Bush opinions, in agreement with an active-duty caller. He was carried away by his own rhetoric in the heat of discussion.

So what if media matters is partisan? Why do the republicans who have (and misuse daily) absolute control over the radio airwaves resent the effort by media matters to straighten out the lies?

That is a rhetorical question, of course after all the resources reps have plugged in to generating and maintaining their propaganda effort, they are going to fight like wildcats to suppress truth.

What I dont get is what is the use of defending these people like Rush Limbaugh,or Bush,or any of them.They allready have shown they dont care about people in the military,or any of us unless we are rich.Otherwise we dont count to them,and have no voice,and no rights either,just a slave if they can get away with it.Plus they have their creep cheerleaders the Christians right there with them,along with the other stupid bunches of them that think Republicans are the tough guys,when all they do is take from the poor and give to the rich,and they dont care what country,just whoever bids most for their vote.Limbaugh needs to be forced to serve in the military,and be sent to Iraq,right where the bullets are flying,and I bet he wouldnt even need a radio to broadcast anymore,we would hear him screaming from here how this wasnt a good idea to fight this war.
Needs to take more than this to stir them up,sure does seem to be a bunch of them on this web site writing.Waste of time for them,once you show that you are on the side of this bunch,you dont have much credibility left as far as people with a mind go.

aproudrepublican,thats the major misconception about the "support the troops" argument by the republicans,if you don't support this administration than you don't support the troops.what does one have to do with the other? it's just a political ploy to get uninformed people to support the republican party.all the troops are not "good people" there are murders and cruel people in the military just like any where else.www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/13/more_entering_army_with_criminal_records/

I am an ordinary person, mother of four children, no college education … and I understood where Rush Limbaugh was coming from …and so did you.

You and the liberal left saw a chance to take a conversation out of context – once again! It is so unbelievably outrageous and obvious what the liberal left is doing. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic.

You and liberal left are not fooling the majority of Americans.

Anyone who watches any kind of news saw pictures of phony soldiers (and, in my opinion the liberal left could have put these phony soldiers up to this deceit).

Liberals are the ones who are unpatriotic, hateful, and deceitful --- trying to fool the American people. The more liberals speak, the more they put their foot in their mouth.

God protect America from people like you and the liberal left.

You and all the liberals owe Americas an apology!

WHATTHEHAY,THE NORMAL BRAINWASHING FROM THE RIGHT,IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE GOVERMENT THAN YOUR UNPATRIOTIC.THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS SCREWED THIS COUNTRY UP SO BAD,THAT ALL THE RHETORIC YOU HAVE LEFT!

AND BY THE WAY,WHAT DOES GOD HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS? THIS IS POLITICS!

oh boy - where to start on this one.

"You and all the liberals" owe our country an apology.

God protect us from liberals.

Mother of 4 lady - read the Bible ever? Jesus was a liberal. He fed the hungry, accepted the unacceptable, invited in the outcasts, freed the prisoners. Why can't you religious zealots see the whole story instead of interpreting everything in the context of the old testament?

JESUS WAS A LIBERAL.

(thought maybe the all caps might help you understand it)

This kind of story hurts us! It is abundantly clear that Limbaugh was NOT talking about active soldiers. He talked the day before, the morning of, and moments after the quote in question - about actual FAKE SOLDIERS! Those who lie about their service and weren't even there! This makes us look like we're out of ideas and are just attacking to get each other jacked up. Come on, guys! We're better than this!

come_back_jfk The fear of your soul being damned to Hell forever is what keeps your basic average Christian in line. In other words, you must conform to the teachings of the Bible which itself highly is contradictory and open to thousands of interpretations. It is an impossible task. Simply speaking…it’s flawed. Why would people claim this reckless conglomeration of scriptures that was written decades and sometimes centuries later after Christ, is actually “God’s word”? If it is “God’s word”, why didn’t God write it? After all, according to “his word”, he can create. He/she cannot create a perfect book that is indisputable? Why would God need his fallible and errant humans to record it?

The basis of Christianity and Christian faith…the Bible, is flawed. So what are the other alternatives for finding your “daily bread”? What is left besides “Blind Faith”?