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Thanks, Michael.
Thank you dlester for the link. Gads, you can tell Edwards is getting desperate, when he must pull down the other candidates. He is still my first choice, but he is not a very attractive candidate when he must pull others down.
Yes, this is very true. I don't want to promote Democracy anymore around the world. The DLC was right on this one.
The Left views any talk of “democracy promotion” with growing suspicion."
that is a good one, sunny !
and soooo true. How do we believe in Democracy anymore, when we have failed to do anything about it elsewhere in the world, and with the administration destroying it here in our own country?
Drat! Pam, I posted links to the inside story of that Hillary / Blackwater "connection" on the other thread at 06:29 PM.
Veteran fights back against the anti-military statements made by Rush Limbaugh.
Watch the ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upCCYeGz39E
P.S. Contact congress and tell them all to condemn Rush Limbaugh's attack on soliders and to bring an end to the Iraq war.
Good evening friends.
I have to ask. Is it just me or are the media giants doing their damnest not to televise the Iraq War and the current push for action against Iran?
Of course I'm kidding when I ask this. It's simply too obvious that this is the case. Apparently our news agencies can make more money covering bizare and otherwise irrelevant events.
New Military Leaders Question Iraq Mission
By Nancy A. Youssef and Renee Schoof
McClatchy Newspapers
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Iraq violence in figures
The UN Assistance Mission in Iraq (Unami) says 34,452 civilians were killed and more than 36,000 wounded in 2006. Many of the killings involve torture and kidnapping, and are typically sectarian in nature. Most of the victims are men, but women and children are also dying in large numbers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456995/html/nn2page1.stm
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More than 4,000 coalition soldiers have died, but US forces do not keep complete records of civilians killed. A survey published in September 2007 suggested that up to 1.2m people might have died because of the conflict.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456995/html/default.stm
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Afghanistan clashes claim civilian lives
KABUL, Afghanistan -- U.S.-led coalition and Afghan troops clashed with insurgents during a raid in eastern Afghanistan on Friday, and civilians as well as militants were killed. In the country's volatile south, separate explosions apparently targeting NATO forces killed two children and a British soldier.
Full Story:
Leading Americans Ask Military to Refuse to Attack Iran and Start a Global Catastrophe
Full Story:
Senate Democrats approve half a trillion dollars for Pentagon, US spy agencies
By Bill Van Auken
Gates, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, Undersecretary for Intelligence Gen. James Clapper and other top officials also are concerned that the war may be crippling the military's ability to respond to other crises.
"I'm convinced we are in serious trouble readiness-wise," Skelton said this week in an interview with McClatchy Newspapers. "Am I worried? I'm worried to death."
"We cannot risk breaking the Army again. My real worry is that we have a choice between two losses or one loss. We're not putting enough effort into Afghanistan, and I'm deeply concerned about that."
I believe what we are seeing here is the promotion individuals with vitally necessary military leadership experience into political positions. This is something that was severely lacking in the administration. What we would typically see were the selection of individuals like Donald Rumsfeld, who had a very limited knowledge of ground combat and no experience leading infantrymen, not as a company officer, not as a field grade officer, and most certainly not as a general.
Sadly the approach was to tell the American people what military professionals thought, whether or not they actually thought that, and to then trust that the American people would accept it as truth.
And now for some more shamless campaigning...
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) has a comprehensive plan for the orderly withdrawal of combat forces from Iraq. That plan can be seen here: http://www.joebiden.com/issues/?id=0009 . The senior senator also has a number of positions on other topics such as Afghanistan, healthcare, energy independence, and others. I invite all of you to read these. If you do, I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion I did and support Sen. Joe Biden for President of the United States.
P.S. Don't forget to hit the contribute link, https://secure.ga3.org/03/joebiden, while you're there.
DPD, here is the new Horsey for you...
210 million traitors
GOP could pick normal candidate - Bonnie Erbe
It's famous in rehab circles to speak of someone needing to "hit bottom" before being willing to do the mind- and heart-cracking work of wrenching free from an addiction, whether to drugs, alcohol, tobacco, money, sex or power. But that is just what these old-school uber-Christians need to do: hit bottom before they begin to see how irrelevant they've become.
Posted by DemocratKickingAss on October 5, 2007 at 06:55 PM
I just read that letter you linked in the aforementioned posting. And just to be safe, I read it again. IMHO, that is one of the most un-American things I've seen in my life.
The U.S. military, since its inception, has followed the orders of its duly elected Commander in Chief. This is necessary to prevent the possibilities of coups and to maintain the rule of law. To encourage or incite a military officer to disobey a lawful order from their Commander in Chief is tantamount to treason. A lawful order is defined not by international law but by American law.
There are numerous checks and balances in place to prevent unlawful orders being issued. Congress has the power to declare, or not declare war, not the President. If the President abuses the War Powers Act, then the Congress can stop the action in numerous ways up to and including impeachment.
The military is there to do a job. And that job is defined by the Commander in Chief. If you don't like the orders of the Commander in Chief, find the votes for impeachment. Until then, keep repeating to yourself, "Elections have consequences, elections have consequences..."
Was that Blackwater prick under oath? And if not, why not? I think it's time to haul his smug ass back to D.C. to do some 'splainin'.
US Military Reports Confirm Unprovoked Blackwater Shooting
I can't help but think the real reason they had their wedding at WalMart was because they could both get the day off.
Attention shoppers: Wedding in aisle 5
Personally, I find it troubling that the statements of some talking head claiming to understand our considerations as military leaders are capable of convincing so many Americans that what they have to say is the God's honest truth, but I am not afraid to acknowledge that this is often the case.
Especially throughout that period of time following the attacks of September 11, 2001, when talk radio hosts worked diligently to "inform" the American people of the threat we faced, Americans seemed more than willing to obligue. But, that was before Americans came to realize that the case then made for the invasion of Iraq was indeed based upon the embellishment of intelligence reports. Still, this does not mean that we are out of the woods.
As a matter of fact, with the push for action against Iran now being made, we find ourselves at an important crossroads. Whether the American people, and for that matter America's media outlets, accept the case being made against Iran in spite of the contradictions made in statements given by well respected military leaders, like former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Peter Pace, is yet to be seen but not entirely beyond prediction. In fact, deteriorating confidence in the abilities of Congress and the President are likely to worsen significantly.
Why would we expect the deterioration of confidence to increase further, rather than to remain stable? Well that has something to do with the number of individials who fully supported the actions of Congress and the President prior to the Iraq War as opposed to currently. While so many were convinced that their leaders would not lead them astray before the war in Iraq began, most are no longer convinced that this is the case.
In other words, their would be no delay in America's reaction this time around. Those deemed responsible for misleading our nation would be immediately bombarded by demands for his or her resignation/reprimand.
Lt. Watada's second court martial is scheduled to begin next Tuesday.
Watada: What's a (thoughtful) lieutenant to do?
Let's assume Lt. Col. John Head, the Army judge who presided over the first court-martial of Lt. Ehren Watada last February, used impeccable legal reasoning when he denied Watada the right to insist that the war in Iraq is illegal -- which, the young soldier says, makes it his sworn duty to protect the Constitution by refusing to fight in such a war.
The same judge will preside over Watada's second court-martial, scheduled to begin Tuesday at Fort Lewis. If he continues to deem this key element of Watada's defense procedurally irrelevant, reducing a significant political case to one-dimensional issues of discipline and obeying orders, it begs a responsible nation to face some larger, more urgent issues:
How, then, can a soldier say no to an illegal war? What would be the correct and legal procedure for an officer in the Army to say, "Sir, the tenets of international law say it's my constitutional duty not to fight in Iraq?" And what does it say about the character of a nation when it refuses to consider the possibility that its men and women in uniform are being ordered to fight an illegal war?
I just read that letter you linked in the aforementioned posting. And just to be safe, I read it again. IMHO, that is one of the most un-American things I've seen in my life.
The U.S. military, since its inception, has followed the orders of its duly elected Commander in Chief. This is necessary to prevent the possibilities of coups and to maintain the rule of law. To encourage or incite a military officer to disobey a lawful order from their Commander in Chief is tantamount to treason. A lawful order is defined not by international law but by American law.
There are numerous checks and balances in place to prevent unlawful orders being issued. Congress has the power to declare, or not declare war, not the President. If the President abuses the War Powers Act, then the Congress can stop the action in numerous ways up to and including impeachment.
The military is there to do a job. And that job is defined by the Commander in Chief. If you don't like the orders of the Commander in Chief, find the votes for impeachment. Until then, keep repeating to yourself, "Elections have consequences, elections have consequences..."
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden-Obama2008 on October 5, 2007 at
Wrong, there was no commander-in-chief when the military was created. Furthermore, George Washington never had sole command of our military forces, he was instead forced to defer to the decisions of Congress. On several occassions that Congress prevented the General from making what could have been war ending decisions. In these cases their decisions were based upon conditions that Washington had not been able to assertain from his location.
Also, the title Commander-in-Chief was assigned to President George Washington alone, and not to all future presidents when it was coined. The title was part of a compromise that Washington made with thankful American leaders who wished to give him a title to rival that of the King of England. His Highness and several other potential titles were proposed, but Washington, being the proponent of democracy that he was, turned them down flatly.
It was a later decision that saw that title assigned to all Presidents of the United States, and still a later decision that saw military leadership tied, in any way, to it. Even then the title was not meant to claim the final say in all matters concerning our military. That is entirely the product of the Bush administration.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 07:32 PM
Thank you for the history lesson from over two centuries ago. It is now the 21st century. How does that apply to Iraq or Iran? Are you seriously going to advocate that the military does not have to follow the lawful orders of its Commander in Chief?
I'm saying that the Bush administration has altered the structure of the United States government to benefit them, not the American people nor its military. It is up to Congress to correct the damage that has been done.
We learned a very long time ago that democracy, even in times of war such as the American Revolution was, is superior to any structure that places too much power into the hands of too few men and women.
By the way, the history lesson isn't from two centuries ago, at least not that last bit. In 1941, the responsibilities and powers of the Presidency were altered to include a greater say in the leadership of our military. In 2002, the title Commander-in-Chief was redesignated to refer solely to the President of the United States. Prior to that time senior military commanders in specific regions were also refered to as Commander-in-Chief.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 07:52 PM
Thank you for clarifying. I agree 100% with your 1952EDT post.
Bob, I believe the key word in your post is 'lawful' and that seems to be the point of the letter you took such offense too. Many don't believe the actions to be lawful and if they aren't lawful then the 'un-American' people would be those trying to push for another illegal war.
I think it is very irresponsible for the United States to be further thin out our American forces by another first strike on a sovereign nation, especially without the support of the United Nations and prior to exhausting all diplomatic avenues.
Unfortunately, our current administration lacks any skill in diplomacy.
Kristen,
The bush abomination, er, administration thinks they are playing a giant video game and they have to win at any cost. bush and cheney, etal need to GROW UP just like the trolls on this blog.
Posted by Kristen on October 5, 2007 at 07:56 PM
...Many don't believe the actions to be lawful and if they aren't lawful then the 'un-American' people would be those trying to push for another illegal war...
I can appreciate that sentiment however, whether we like it or not, the war in Iraq is lawful until Congress passes something to make it unlawful. Like you, I want the debacle of Iraq to end as soon as responsibly possible.
...Unfortunately, our current administration lacks any skill in diplomacy.
On that point, there can be no arguement.
Bob,
In another time, your outrage at Americans asking Military leaders NOT to follow orders from the Commander in Chief might be called for, but as Marine says, THIS President has totally changed the rules, the game, the entire structure of the government in an illegal, unlawful, anti-Constitution way.
If we ask our Military, WHOM WE PAY, to commit Mutiny, I think it is entirely called for ! This is the worst of times in our country's history and how far can we let this mad man go?
Our leaders will not present Impeachment for one reason. This man has also illegally covered every wrong he has done, by calling it Executive Privilege and hiding behind 9/11.
I would have been happy to deliver that letter for these guys !
Bob, the letter was speaking about an attack on Iran.
As for the legality of the war in Iraq, that is left unanswered considering no judge will allow the question to reviewed in court.
Hence, the problem in the Watada case.
We can not afford our presidents the luxury of caving in to excessive fear or pressure, and yet I fear that these two factors alone can explain why the Bush administration continues to make statements that are contradicted by available evidence, intelligence reports, and by the statements of many trusted leaders. Could this explain why the Bush administration isolated itself to the point that all those within it lost touch with the American People and their concerns? It is certainly a possibility.
Regardless of the administrations reasons for deliberatly redefining words and embellishing or selectively citing intelligence reports, it can not be allowed to continue to do so.
Posted by PamB on October 5, 2007 at 08:06 PM
This "madman" will go no further than the Congress will let him go. Elections have consequences. We are a nation of law, not people. What you are advocating smacks of third-world, banana republic, coup-mongering, IMHO.
Now this one made my cheeks hurt from grinning so much! NOTE THE SOURCE of this one.
No WONDER they are not bringing in any cash! So there ARE some SMART Republicans out there! I just knew it ! :) :0
Survey: Conservatives' Anger With GOP May Be Devastating
By Jim Kouri
The Conservative Voice
Wednesday 03 October 2007
Washington, DC - A poll of 1,015 conservative activists and donors shows that 77 percent are either seriously disappointed with Republican Congressional leaders or want them replaced.
The survey also found that 54 percent of conservatives feel so abandoned by current Congressional leaders and President Bush that they plan to reduce their contributions and/or grassroots work for GOP candidates in the next election. And 70 percent would support a principled conservative challenger running against an established incumbent Republican in a GOP primary.
"Conservatives feel betrayed by the Republican leaders, and they want them replaced," said Richard A. Viguerie, chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, which sponsored the survey.
"Conservatives, which form the GOP's base, provided most of the volunteers and money to elect a Republican-controlled House and Senate - and wound up with bigger government as a result. Now more than half of these committed activists say they'll reduce or end their involvement in the upcoming elections - which could prove devastating for the GOP."
Posted by Kristen on October 5, 2007 at 08:08 PM
And I was referring to Iran as well. If the CIC believes that an attack is warranted, then he has the legal justification to start said action and the Congress has the obligation to review it and to make a formal declaration of war or similar measure.
For the record, I do not believe a war is warranted with Iran at this time. Diplomacy is still a viable, and preferential, method. However, to suggest or advocate that the military should refuse a lawful order from the CIC to attack is tantamount to treason and should be treated as such.
Elections have consequences. We are a nation of law, not people. What you are advocating smacks of third-world, banana republic, coup-mongering, IMHO.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden-Obama2008 on October 5, 2007 at 08:12 PM
In this case, Bob, I do not think we can wait 13 more months until another election takes this Crazy, Evil monster out of office. If it takes a coup to get him under control, and save World War III and maybe the destruction of our entire planet with the nukes all these countries have, then so be it. Hard times call for hard decisions. Put your 'military' past away for a minute and look at the big picture. If you think for one minute Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine will sit back and allow this, then you are naive. IMHO !
Bob, I should probably follow that post by telling you I'm just trying to give you a hard time and maybe get a chuckle out of you.
If the CIC believes that an attack is warranted, then he has the legal justification to start said action and the Congress has the obligation to review it and to make a formal declaration of war or similar measure.
Didn't congress just pass some kind of amendment which would ALLOW him to go ahead? I have info here somewhere, but don't have time to look it up. I think he can do this from this point on, without anyone's Yah or Nay.
29th September, 1943.
MY DEAR MARSHAL BADOGLIO.
The terms of the armistice to which we have just appended our signatures are supplementary to the short military armistice signed by your representative and mine on September 3rd, 1943. They are based upon the situation obtaining prior to the cessation of hostilities. Developments since that time have altered considerably the status of Italy, which has become in effect a cooperator with the United Nations.
It is fully recognised by the Governments on whose behalf I am acting that these terms are in some respects superseded by subsequent events and that several of the clauses have become obsolescent or have already been put into execution. We also recognise that it is not at this time in the power of the Italian Government to carry out certain of the terms. Failure to do so because of existing conditions will not be regarded as a breach of good faith on the part of Italy. However, this document represents the requirements with which the Italian Govemment can be expected to comply when in a position to do so.
It is to be understood that the terms both of this document and of the short military ammistice of September 3rd may be modified from time to time if military necessity or the extent of co-operation by the Italian Government indicates this as desirable. Sincerely,
DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER.
General, United States Army.
Commander-in-Chief, Allied Forces.
His Excellency,
MARSHAL PIETRO BADOGLIO,
Head of the Italian Government.
I don't expect that we would see anything of this nature these days, but it is very much necessary. This is significant due to the amount of power that General Eisenhower appears to wield on behalf of the United Nations, a community of nations acting as one. It was most important because the General made certain concessions that he would likely not have made, had he not directly experienced the conditions in Italy over a considerable period of time.
Today such a decision or correspondence would be made by some diplomat safely removed from the situation. This is why allowances that may guarantee the cooperation of the citizenry and of the government in question are not made today. Remove the decision maker from the situation and he or she can become callous to a fault.
Whether SP Like it or not, the next President will take action on this !
The Making of a Climate Movement
The Nation
Public awareness of the climate crisis has grown enormously in the United States over the past two years, but the government's response lags far behind. Now, however, Washington's sluggish pace is calling forth a surge of activism aimed at persuading the next President and Congress to be far bolder - to advocate and deliver solutions as big as the problem.
"The general attitude in the country now and certainly in Congress is, 'Let's take some steps, make some progress and applaud ourselves.' That is not sufficient." So says Betsy Taylor, chair of 1 Sky, a new initiative that hopes to unite the broad array of groups focusing on climate change into a coherent national movement. "What has happened to the climate in the last twelve months has changed the game," Taylor argues, citing recent studies projecting that the Arctic will be free of summer ice by 2030. "That means we are thirty years ahead of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's worst- case scenario for Arctic melting. But on Capitol Hill, none of the proposals getting serious attention propose anything close to what science says we need - deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 and 80 percent cuts by 2050. Our side really needs to up the ante."
Actually Bob, it says "made for the people, made by the people, and answerable to the people."
Posted by Kristen on October 5, 2007 at 08:15 PM
I guess in a way they do. I have to keep reminding myself that I am merely one voice amongst a chorus of fine Democrats represented on this blog.
Either we agree or we agree to disagree. When the dust settles and the smoke clears, we settle our internal disputes in our various primaries and our national disputes in the general elections. And I am honored and indeed humbled to think of you all as fellow Americans and Democrats whether we agree or disagree.
Having said that, I'm headed for a long work weekend. I'll see y'all next week.
Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The liberal revolution is now.
Actually what I was thinking of is this:
"that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
It's an excerpt from the Gettysburg Address.
Have you ever wondered why alot of US jobs are being outsourced to India? Would you like to be a part of India's Billionaire Club? Did you know India needs lots & lots of Oil Imported? Have you checked to see which politicians have stock in various companies in India? Just a hint try Biotech. Nite
Pam, I did a very quick search/read on GovTrack and found the following:
H.R. 1400: Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007
which from the quick read looks like it authorizes further sanctions against Iran. But the summary does start out with the following:
Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007 - States that nothing in this Act shall be construed as authorizing the use of force or the use of the U.S. Armed Forces against Iran.
It has not be voted on by the Senate.
And that was the driving force behind the events that created this fine nation. In fact, in creating this nation our founders were forced to address differences with English law. They had come to realize that the law itself was flawed, as it was created to benefit those on one side of the ocean moreso than those on another.
Bob, that entire scenario happened right before Tricky Dicky resigned in disgrace. In a misguided attempt to garner some sympathy from HIS OWN PARTY he invited a whole slew of Pugs into the Oval Office and pled with them that they "don't know the pressure" he is under due to his enormous power. He then went on to say 'I can pick up this phone right here and within 45 minutes a hundred million Russians will be dead.'
Some of them were so freaked out that they notified the Pentagon, and the Brass issued a General Order to ONLY "obey the chain of command". Meaning that if President lost-his-mind ORDERED a soldier to hit the button, he should ALWAYS ask if it's O.K. from his Superior. It was a general mutiny by the Generals.
It was a "soft coup". Nixon was emasculated and the Pentagon stopped him from being too crazy and hoping for a last ditch distraction in order to save his "legacy".
Have you ever wondered why Bush was mad at North Korea? Was it about the nuclear weapons or is it about the huge amount of Oil over there. Nowonder India needs a pipeline through Afghanistan!
I guess Americans needs to buy Stock in all the OIl companies around the world,that way we might could join the billionaires club!
Snow and ice reflect back to space a large portion of the Sun's radiation. Most creatures on Earth, including human's can only withstand small changes in their natural environments without drastic consequences. The increased in global temperature that coincides with decreased snow and ice cover with strain the systems of many smaller organisms which will in turn have an impact on larger organisms that we humans depend upon.
While we possess the ability to adapt our lives to an everchanging environment other animals do not. Their numbers will go into decline, followed shortly after by our own. Rising ocean levels will further contribute to this stress.
Whoa Troll alert on MY old name!! jezzzzzus they are a horny bunch aren't they? Sick pukes!
I hope no one here thought for a second that it was me. And I hate that I feel I should apologize for THEM (but I do). Cuz they're less than pond scum.
anyway, good evening folks!
Whether God or by some force of nature, this planet was created in a way that was perfectly equipped to provide for the life we find. I believe that it is up to us to ensure that we do not damage that creation through ignorance or malace.
We've adversely impacted environments on much smaller scales. I don't believe that anyone would dispute that. But many are willing to dispute our ability to negatively impact the global environment, just as they assert that religion or democracy can positively impact all human populations on Earth, which seems just as great a feat. Obvious these individuals are persuaded, not by the facts, but by their own personal beliefs.
Evening Dawn,
I noticed this morning that the troll had stolen your handle. It said some pretty nasty things. We could tell it wasn't you. They stole mine briefly a couple of weeks ago by changing one of the letters to lower case.
Our weather has turned beautiful again. It is 79 right now an 1915 hours. No rain is expected fo r at least a week. We had a little rain last night.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 09:13 PM
that and their illegal moonshine still out back
Actually, we might better define them as personal assumptions, for they not supported by the evidence we have currently.
Dawn, The trolls are a canker sore on the inside of rash limpballs ass. These sores aren't welcome ever.
Posted by Johnedwrd on October 5, 2007 at 09:17 PM
Hola John! We've had rain all day. More like a drizzle but it's been consistent. Dog got out and came back looking like a tar heel mud puddle! argh.
Had to put her on the porch until she dried then the slow process of picking off the clay chunks. Just a damn mess. I didn't do the worst of it but was still thinking....... gee why is it again that I am suddenly a DOG person? LOL
my feline babies do a fine job of cleaning themselves and hate mud! LOL
Actually Dawn, I think that anyone capable of making moonshine is likely to understand the risk. The types who think as I described aren't capable of doing much for themselves, let alone chemistry.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 09:21 PM
hehe! good point Marine, good point.
Life has survived, the organisms that once existed did not. Many went extinct, and their were great periods of mass extinction that left very few organisms left alive. These are recorded by the same fossil samples from which you claim to have identified "100's of warming and cooling cycles."
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 09:21 PM
I'm SURE that they are well versed at having sex with themselves.
Dawn,
My Westie is a digger. I am glad I live out in the desert because every morning, when I take him for a walk he digs a new hole following some kind of scent. He digs furiously, biting at the dirt and getting frustrated. I don't know what he is after but he is nuts.
DPD,
I heard on the news the other day that our troll bought himself/herself a blow-up craig doll. They say it's the latest fad. It even comes with accessories like a toilet stall. I guess the trolls blow-up cheney doll is shot (no pun intended).
There is really no thought beyond the immediate for these people is there Dawn? I'm sure that I met a few in the past, likely one of those individuals who require constant supervision to ensure that the work gets done.
The largest mass extinction I believe happened during the Permian epoch
Another smaller one (ha smaller) at the chi chu nu (sp) crater (mexico) caused the renowned KT border of white iridium layer around the world. But that was NOT the worst. I think it was the Permian that killed most of the fishes as well as ON land creatures.
That KT iridium divide is the most interesting thing. Not sure why it's known as KT when it is the border between the Cretaceous and Tertiary not Kretaceous.... weird huh?
Posted by Johnedwrd on October 5, 2007 at 09:27 PM
lol how cute!
Probably couldn't tell you what number comes after 19 without using his fingers and toes.
Ok I looked it up myself
yay I was right
my memory is still working - aside from some mis-spellings
Dawn, I've seen two answers to that question. One suggests that K is used because C is used for Cambrian. The other suggests that the term was KT-boundary was coined by a German, I believe, and because of that we use a K as the Germans do.
sorry I digress
lol
what's newski with political news? Craig being typically stubborn like most ignorant pugs
LOL he's gonna "stick it to them" before he goes I guess! Serves them right for being such MONSTER HYPOCRITES!
Now I find another suggestion saying something about the latin form of Cretaceous, and so I am not certain which is the answer.
JohnFitzgeraldOatmeal why do you come in here all you are is a troll
Marine,
Mass Extinctions were a Sunday afternoon topic in our Science Visions chat room back in 1996-2000.
I really loved going there and learned a Lot as it was attended by other science lovers, even professionals. We played some great science trivia games too.
Then W took over and we ALL went to our separate corners and stopped talking about Science and started fighting over politics. That was the end of that!
Senator Craig doesn't at all surprise me. I don't know what else a follower of this administration would do when faced with such damning evidence. He watched Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and others hang on for dear life, now he is going to do the same.
Dawn, the rise of the Bush administration had a similar impact upon the military. I was out on independent duty when he came to power and returned to the fleet about a year later to find that the Corps had significantly changed. It was a culture shock, to say the least, and I soon learned that many were taking the opportunity to retire, decisions that were often connected to the obvious change in climate.
nah it's just that to come to the decision that you want to be a PUG includes a few characterizations one being complete mind numbing stubbornness!
ALL of them! From the DECIDER on down to the DINO LIEBERDOUCHE
Marine
do you think they'll take LUSH OFF of Armed Forces Radio? (I think they should)
OH FER CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!!!!
ANOTHER PUG CAUGHT IN A RESTROOM SEX STING!!!!! (Can't these rich asswipes go home and "do it" or at least rent a room?)
Boys Just Wanna Have Fun
Only days ago, DiFatta was hawking the DiFatta plan to "defend our conservative values from attacks by extreme liberal groups.".
Ya know, because "Liberal Groups" made him cruise a public restroom.
In fact, I believe that my own discharge was the result of those changes. My marriage was failing and I needed counselling to get me through, but none was provided. I was in the process of training to become an Electronic Warfare Officer after 9 years of enlisted service and had on two occassions made use of the very same service that had helped to see me through two previous adaptations.
This time those services were denied, my condition deteriorated because I lacked access to the support I needed, and eventually I was discharged rather than completing my training and going on to fill a highly technical role that doesn't exactly draw a whole lot of attention from Electrical Engineers.
Posted by DemocratKickingAss on October 5, 2007 at 06:55 PM
I just read that letter you linked in the aforementioned posting. And just to be safe, I read it again. IMHO, that is one of the most un-American things I've seen in my life.
The U.S. military, since its inception, has followed the orders of its duly elected Commander in Chief. This is necessary to prevent the possibilities of coups and to maintain the rule of law. To encourage or incite a military officer to disobey a lawful order from their Commander in Chief is tantamount to treason. A lawful order is defined not by international law but by American law.
There are numerous checks and balances in place to prevent unlawful orders being issued. Congress has the power to declare, or not declare war, not the President. If the President abuses the War Powers Act, then the Congress can stop the action in numerous ways up to and including impeachment.
The military is there to do a job. And that job is defined by the Commander in Chief. If you don't like the orders of the Commander in Chief, find the votes for impeachment. Until then, keep repeating to yourself, "Elections have consequences, elections have consequences..."
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden-Obama2008 on October 5, 2007 at 07:21 PM
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I just happened to be surfing the web and I saw that letter on that website and I was quite astounded myself so I decided to share what I saw with others but I never said I agreed with it, in fact I disagree with it which is something I should've made clear when posting the link because after reading that I agree with you that it goes way too far. You're right, I agree with your position Bob. I'm still very suprised that website posted such a thing and I wanted others to see that.
LOL he's gonna "stick it to them" before he goes I guess!
Posted by Dawn on October 5, 2007 at 09:42 PM
LOL. Not literally I hope. He says he isn't gay.
You seem to know a lot about historical geology. At least that's what they called it when I took a geology course at City College of San Francisco 53 years ago. My God I'm getting old. Damn.
They should take Rush off Armed Forces Radio. Partisan politics, such as he is known for, have no place in the military. This is because our success or failure is not decided by our political persuasion but by our abilities on the battlefield.
If you want to put someone on Armed Forces Radio who is willing to discuss the evolution of tactics and strategy, things that concern the average military member far more than do the politics of Mr. Limbaugh, then I am all for it.
Interesting development late this afternoon the Watada court martial...a Federal judge has delayed the court martial at least until Oct. 26th.
They are currently arguing that the second court martial hearing amounts to double jeopardy because the original mistrial was declared over Watada's objections. The mistrial was called because there were problems with the stipulation of facts that would have been given in the jury instructions. Because so much of the Army's evidence was laid out in that stipulation not allowing the document hurt their case so basically they were given a second chance by the judge to get their case right.
Hey I know I'm obsessing but this site is so cool
Now not only is the ceo of google (a woman) giving her contributions to Hillary but so is Yahoo
ceo of sony gave to Dems (Dodd)
Democrat, you're just going to keep posting that until we all get tired of responding to it aren't you? Well, it isn't going to happen.
The reality of the situation is that the Bush administration altered the structure of our government by restricting the term "Commander-in-Chief" to the President. Prior to 2002 Commander-in-Chief had also been used to refer to regional commanders of military commands and long before that American leaders, like George Washington, had made it clear that the term commander-in-chief was not meant to imply some form of absolute power. Instead these men insisted that a nation able to win its independence, despite practicing democracy in warfighting, would never have need of such absolute authority.
When I was cruising the Izvestia site and I see where Russia still has the draft. They are currently drafting 135,000 troops for the last of the 1.5 year term of service. All future drafts will be for one year. They also call it Universal Military Training.
Posted by Dawn on October 5, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Hey Dawn, it looks like there is something in a name. I put in Al Gore's name and while nothing came up under his name, all the other people with that last name have donated to Democrats. :)
And, by the way, absolute authority in the hands of a civilian leader is just as likely to lead to a political coup, as a military power with absolute power is to lead to a military coup.
Spain does the same I believe, John. Last I heard they did two year stints.
Actually, that may be madatory government service in Spain, not necessarily military service and not part of a draft.
Israel has MANDATORY Military Service starting at 16 while still in High School, followed by 2 years of active duty after graduation, the last I heard. Romania does the same , but they include fluency in English and 3 other optional languages of the student's choosing. Switzerland also has mandatory Military training, and ALL homes are required to keep and maintain a loaded rifle in case of attack.
Posted by Johnedwrd on October 5, 2007 at 10:14 PM
I used to be quite IN TO it!! All things science but geology, astronomy and physics & computer science were my favorites. WE had an 8th grade Science teacher that attended from Buffalo who was VERY into biology so we all had our special loves and discussed it all. But the Sunday afternoon "champagne brunches" we called them were the best!! An X professor from Seattle used to give the discussions (usually) and we had a private chat room called Pangea that we'd meet in at all times of the day and night........ I don't think it ever emptied.
Talk City was a pretty neat place in the beginning. It went for a short time on the stock exchange. My X had bought some stock but got chicken and sold it the next day. Turned out he was one of the ONLY ones to make any money. LOL And it wasn't much. ah well.
My discharge was an honorable one by the way. One doesn't get selected for training as an officer after 9 years enlisted service without a superb military record. And mine remains that way to this day.
Some of you may have seen this website in the link below before and some of you may not have but in any case it's a website dedicated to supporting our troops and ways you can get involved to help out. For those of you that may be interested check it out.
Hey Kristen!
Ditto I tried Al Gore too earlier!!
My mind is numb from thinking of all the names. LOL
How ru feeling? I mean besides PREGGO or what ever? LOL
Marine,
One of our candidates for President is talking about mandatory government service either military or public service.
It makes sense. When I graduated college back in 1959, I was immediately subject to the draft. In order to get a better assignment, I joined the Regular Army. In fact I received my draft notice while I was in basic training.
I would have felt better about it if everyone had to go because I couldn't get on with my life until the obligatioon was over and I felt it was unfair to make a person put their life on hold for two years while other people skated.
Our UMT was for 2 years but I think one was obligated for 4 more years in the active reserve. I didn't get my discharge until 1965.
In fact, the only thing that truly prevented me from completing twenty years or more of service are the cumulative effects of the stressors of life in the Marine Corps. Most importantly, my spine has deteriorated, which causes me constant pain no matter what I do, and would only deteriorate more were I to even attempt to jog, let alone run.
Kristen you are right too cuz I plugged in Limbaugh and didn't get Rush but 99 percent of the Limbaughs gave to RED candidates! Figures.
Dawnie,
Science is my weakness too. If I had to pick a favorite I would pick nuclear fusion. The National Atomic Livermore Lab in Livermore California is building this huge laser facility and have been building same for at least 10 years. They say they are almost done.
If we can harness the nuclear fusion, we will be able to produce electricity with very little radioactive waste. I believe they use the heavy hydrogen extracted from seawater.
I have a feeling that bush has sidetracked this science because he detests enlightenment. I think he is using the almost completed facility for developing new atomic bombs. What a puke.
John, I spoke with a Vietnam veteran the other day who made a similar comment. He, however, was drafted. Still, he did say that the service helped him, though I got the picture that he has been disabled for some time as a result of that service.
At any rate, I can see the up side of mandatory service, where we all learn to realize that we are part of a community and thus have certain responsibilities. Then again, I can see the down side, where some believe and thus use their own positions to ensure that their children are not required to serve as those less well connected children may be required to serve. (And I've seen that even in the all volunteer military we see today, so I don't by any means believe that it would be an easy thing to eradicate, if at all we were able to eradicate it.)
Posted by DPD on October 5, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Korean kids too! School on Saturday even and English and one OTHER language is mandatory. If you don't go to college you MUST go immediately into the military or ROK Army. If you go to college you only need to attend 2 yrs of military as a Katusa. (easy compared to ROK)
My X can speak English, Korean, Japanese but to this DAY (and he's been in the states for over 20 yrs) to this DAY his English SUCKS! He's lazy that way! I used to feel a bit insulted that he forced me to learn Korean while I was stationed over there but never bothered to learn proper sounding English. Only a more ignorant sounding version. For one so smart. :-\
He had a stubborn streak too. Not to mention a roving eye. side note - he had turned into a FUNDIE PUG until a few years ago too!! A heart attack and a bush will do that to you.
(they always turn FUNDIE when they've committed some crime they feel guilty for like having a bastard child while being married to someone else) Yea that will do it!! lol
I grew up on science and history, loved them both. For a time I migrated towards the more technical disciplines, electrical engineering because my father and his father worked with electrical equipment. Actually, my grandfather got started working with electronics in WWII. He worked on a mine sweeper, he detected the mines actually. His ship was never hit.
Nuclear fusion is what makes the Sun go. It would be scary if this reaction got loose here on Earth and turned the Earth into a sun. I don't know if that's possible.
I remember in 1945 I was in the third grade when they were planning to set off the first atomic bomb here in New Mexico at the "Trinity" site. It was all over the newspapers in San Francisco that the atmosphere was going to explode when they set off the bomb.
They scared the crap out of people. As you can see the bomb went off without destroying Earth.
Which Democratic candidate do you plan to vote for and what do you think how things are going? Well, now is a chance to voice your opinion for those of you interested in doing the survey. I thought it had some interesting questions.
I went to school with a couple of kids from former Russian states. These guys new their math, like you wouldn't believe. One said that he was doing differential equations before he left high school.
John
I did a HUGE NBC series when I worked for AFKN.
I learned more than I EVER wanted to know. I've forgotten more than MOST people will ever know. That's the scary part.
I'm not pro-fusion at all in any way - not while (pardon me) testosterone crazed kids (mostly in the AF) have their greasy fingers on all the buttons!!!
jmo - MOST humans are lower brain functioning zombies with little courage and even less pride. Granted most are only trying to get through the day at some boring, low paying job that makes them nervous or angry and turns them into some kind of weekend drunk. But STILL! Where have all the REAL MEN gone???? Shall I blame absentee Fathers?
The Livermore Lab is called the National Ignition Facility. It is run by UC Berkeley. They had several Nobel Physicists working there over the years who discovered new elements. The other lab is here in New Mexico - Los Alamos National Laboratory (I think). It was run by Berkeley until recently. Los Alamos did a lot of work on the Genome.
Senator Clinton's plan in protecting the dream of home ownship for those interested in reading this.
Imagine how frightend those people would have been had they known of the disaster that was narrowly everted. I'm talking about the close call a couple of scientists had when they nearly set a nuclear bomb off during development, though I can't recall the location.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 11:05 PM
my hatred of MATH is what kept me from continuing further in my Science especially physics.
So I used to call myself the Arm Chair Scientist I still dislike Math. I made B's in it but never took anything I wasn't REQUIRED to take in HS. Luckily my Daughter loves math. She's not so thrilled with science like I am. BUT had stars on her ceiling her WHOLE life and used to go out with us to view the stars quite often.
I never met any of the ROK Marines myself, but some of the Marines from a unit I was attatched to had and I've heard from them how hard these guys are. They are certainly tough and learn to cope with a bizare level of pain.
Marine,
One of my Army buddies in Germany spent his off hours learning fluent German and took up fencing so he could get the scar on the cheek. When it came time to go home, he stayed in Germany and attended Heidelberg University.
I really admired his ambition and dream. I spent my time working and partying.
Dawn,
It's never too late to learn math. Math was one of Einstein's weak subjects. Later in his career he was tutored and brought up to speed by some outstanding mathematicians in Germany.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 11:15 PM
they even had a ROK room and I did see it
yep they were hard core
Likely you already know this, Dawn, but I'll say it anyway in case you don't. You're name is shared by a NASA mission that got spaceborne only last week. It is making use of ion-propulsion to explore the asteroid belt.
Your name actually reminded me that it was under way at all. I'd planned to keep up with the mission during launch.
Posted by Johnedwrd on October 5, 2007 at 11:20 PM
I totally honor Albert E and if you've NOT noticed I have quotes of his all over my website on many pages! He was DA man!! Along with my other Idol - Carl Sagan and of course Stephen Hawking.
I keep very few books around in my ROOM. (we have a wall of books in the Living room. But in MY room I keep "A History of Time," "Cosmos" and "The Idiots Guide to Understanding Einstein"
SWEAR!! ;-)
NO John I hate math!
I had some friends who were stationed in Turkey. The Turks were noted for their ferocity. Rumor had it that they were warned not to mess with Turkish women because the men would cut off your gonads and stuff them in your mouth before they kill them. I don't know if it was true and we never had a report of any deaths among our friends.
John, I often wonder what I would be doing today had I stayed in Okinawa another year rather than returning home. I really liked it there, so much so that voluteered to remain a year longer than I was required and to consider volunteering for another.
I too admire the ambition that you speak of. In fact, I knew a Native American who enjoyed Okinawa so much that he returned there to live following his discharge. The Marine Corps wouldn't discharge him there, or else he would never have left in the first place.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 11:22 PM
I have been woefully, WOEFULLY, slacking in my science & space updates! I have oodles of links too but just rarely visit during the course of a day -
I've been obsessing POLITICS!!! OF all the damn things for ME to do. NEVER if you asked me 7 yrs ago if I'd be obsessing politics in 2007 I'd say you were doing DRUGS!!!!
Politics was a disgusting waste of time. I thought. And Bill C only made it easy to NOT want to watch the ridiculous spectacle put on by the PUGS. Things have changed. I know exactly when the paradigm shift happened for me....... anyone want to guess? It's the same as all you I bet!
Marine,
I haven't heard anything about the ion engine in years. They must still be developing the technology.
A few years back they were experimenting with a vehicle that could take off from land like an airplane and go into orbit. It was shaped like a triangle. I think it was supposed to replace the Space Shuttle. whatever happened to this vehicle?
Dawn,
I think my shift was when bush stole the 2004 election.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 11:27 PM
LMAO I had a delicious "purple haze" down in the ville on the ROCK! Stayed there on a 4 day lay over during a Month long HOP I was on in 1980. Don't remember much. My best friend and I had a blast flying around from Japan to Okinawa to the Philippines and back to S. Korea.
I was a Clark AF (then Subic Bay) before the Volcano blew and covered it over. Of course I was there about 10 yrs before it blew. (fortunately)
getting tired
I was AT Clark and then on to Subic is what I meant.
The Navy had an island off Subic called Grande Island with a hotel and a bunch of beach cottages they would rent out to service members.
We had a great cottage on the beach but the Navy was on WESTpac tour so it was a lonely couple weeks. LOL and the BASTARDS stole our camera!
Dawn, I found myself obsessing about politics in the mid 90's when it first began to become clear to our weapons inspectors that Iraq did not possess WMD and several felt forced to resign simply so that they could comment on the matter.
There was also the missed opportunity to improve airline security after having listened to intelligence whisperings for some time refering to the desire of some groups to use an airliner as a missile. This was based upon both the frequency of hijackings in the Middle East and on rumored correspondence between subordinates of Osama bin Laden and individuals believed to have been involved in successful hijackings in the past. It was also theorized before that, based simply on the fact that high impact enemy tactics that may easily be combined (hijackings and suicide bombings) could be combined to inflict severe damage with the limited resources that Osama and his followers possessed.
producing ION generated vehicles is/was way too expensive
like a fusion car
tooooooooo expensive
not practical
last I read they were working on mass transit ideas with magnetics which to me seems possible
they already have a great system at disney world and had plans for that type of rail system for Florida at one time but I guess the cheap PUGS probably trashed that idea cuz it made GOOD science sense.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 11:10 PM
It was in the squash courts under the stands at Amos Alonzo Stagg Field on the campus of the University of Chicago. Professor Enrico Fermi was in charge. Right now the Country's largest nuclear facility is located near me (FermiLab), and until Chimpy sold the place the other nuke place near here (Argonne National Laboratory) was still run by the U. of C.
A cool thing about Argonne, besides it being a great make out spot for teens is their albino deer. The rumor is that they are escapees from some weird genetic experiment that went wrong. NAH, they are just White Deer.
Also, back in the Red Scare theat idiot right winger Paul Harvey was railing about the lack of security there )it's surrounded by forest preserves, and doesn't do any nuke work anyway), so Mr. Wingnut decided to get a "scoop" and he climbed the only chain link fence he could find. He was arrested for trespassing on some dudes private property. It's like Fort Knox, people can just drive through it, but they will have a hard time getting into the buildings.
Here's the Henry Moore sculpture called "Nuclear Energy" that is located on the exact site of the first Atomic Pile. From one side it looks like a globe, as you walk around it looks like a mushroom cloud, and as you complete the circle it becomes a skull. COOL ART!!!
Dawn,
I frequented the ville for a period of time, never touched the "purple haze" though I did try the Habusaki. That was some nasty stuff. I still can't get the taste out of my mouth.
I met a photographer who was there for the eruption. It must have been something else.
Posted by DPD on October 5, 2007 at 11:45 PM
lookes like a gas mask with a helmet over it!
Posted by DPD on October 5, 2007 at 11:45 PM
looks like a gas mask with a helmet over it!
seeeeeeeeeeee I'm melting
John, I have no idea what happened to that vehicle, but it sounds as though it would have been too heavy to accomplish the task.
The ion engine on the DAWN craft does not produce a substantial thrust in the short term, but given the prolonged period of time that it can fire, once carried into space by conventional means, and the extreme distances that it has to travel, the ion engine becomes feasible. I believe that this one is powered by xenon gas.
Posted by Marine on October 5, 2007 at 11:48 PM
I guess in geological time I was there only a second or two BEFORE the eruption. :-)
I am in awe of this planet. When Mt. St. Helens blew I also stood in awe as my Aunts Seattle was buried in ash for days!!!
you only missed a HUGEEEEEEEEEe headache with the Purple Haze.
Did bush sell Argonne or the Fermi Lab? Argonne looks like it has a huge particle accelerator. Who in their right mind would sell that unless it was part of chimp's privatization of the Federal Government.
Marine
did you know that with Xenon gas - light appears to speed up? some think quantum tunneling can happen here.
I blame quantum tunneling for many things that happen on a nuclear level that are unexplainable (NOW) and look forward to living long enough to see many theories proved!!
Well thank God I didn't drink the Purple Haze then. More pain, that's all I need;)
That may be part of it, Dawn. I never noticed that, and I've walked past it several times. Next time I'll give it another look-see. I like the whole "organic" nature of it, from a planet on a pedestal to a skull in one seamless circle, though.
I have an idea. We could sell the White House and make a bundle. bush could live in one of the fema trailers or move to Baghdad in live in Saddam's palace in the center of the green zone.
I don't believe that I have heard that about Xenon, Dawn.
I had looked forward to working with chemists in expanding our electronic sensor capabilities and perhaps in developing some other mechanism to be used on the modern battlefield, but I didn't keep up following my discharge, primarily because I was too busy fighting to get the support that I needed. It is only in the past year that I've once again become interested in science.
ok I did read about DAWN - isn't she going out to some asteroid? or was it the asteroid belt?
we sent one (I remember) to the asteroid called ios? or eos? damn what was it - ok EROS (thank you internet) LOL
IT's come back with some interesting science attached!
It just sounds creapy to me, DPD. Interesting that an artist can creat such a sculpture, but creapy as a result of the very real subject matter that it depicts.
Posted by DPD on October 6, 2007 at 12:02 AM
it looks ominous dpd
Posted by Johnedwrd on October 6, 2007 at 12:06 AM
hahaha!
Posted by Marine on October 6, 2007 at 12:08 AM
ok from my memory I recall that muons are slightly faster than electrons and tau? Those being neutrinos of course. I used to be quite in to neutrino detectors too! There's one in Illinois somewhere DPD and another in Antarctica as well as Japan somewhere.
wow - I've been babbling science for hours!!
HERE! (my apologies to the politicos)
I will gladly return to the regularly scheduled program........... here in the twilight zone!
hehe!
Posted by Johnedwrd on October 5, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Argonne was operated under contract with the Federal Govt. by the University of Chicago since its inception on the Lakefront in the early 40's. They didn't move to the 'burbs until the late 50's. Chimpy just recently privatized it and now nobody knows WHO is in charge.
FermiLab is on the block, too, and Switzerland has just fired up a more powerful competitor.
Remember years ago when WE were going to build the SSC (Semi-conducting Super-Collider)? The Texas Mafia who were running the show back then insisted that it be built from scratch just outside of Dallas. Well, since FermiLab was already there and available as a generating point, and the construction companies already HAD experience digging DEEP TUNNELS it would have saved Billions of bucks, and be on line right now. Anyhoo, the fire ants ate through the wiring and the Texas soil was too unstable so they just scrapped the entire project and let the Europeans take the lead. Heck, it only cost a few BILLION BUCKS to dig a big useless hole in the ground and abandon it.
Ah, Pugs and Science, and financial stupidity. Gotta love it (NOT).
DAWN is going to investigate Ceres and Vesta. It is out there to gather information that may help explain the process that created our solar system. Also, since Ceres and Vesta appear to be minor planets, stunted in growth only due to their location, it is hoped that we can gain some insight into the creation of the Earth and all other planets from them.
Actually, it is interesting how Ceres and Vesta were found. They were theorized to exist, based upon a mathematical equation that suggested that a larger planet must fill the void between Mars and Jupiter. Instead, Ceres, Vesta and a number of other particles have been found, the mass of which may together come close to making that equation correct, if only they composed one solid body.
Marine
Lets hope we don't go knocking anything out of it's regular orbit.......... the results could be pretty bad for EARTH if they kicked em our way!
newtons 3rd law
Well, I am officially exhausted. I thank you all for the enjoyable conversation, but it is high time that I get to bed. Have a nice night.
Same here Marine
Salute and Semper Fi
Peace out my Friends it's been Grand!
Posted by Dawn on October 6, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Dawn, it's at FermiLab, and they also have some weird gizmo that will blast things through the earth from FermiLab to a reception site in Minneapolis. I don't know what they will do with the science, but it's cool that they are saying 'Hey, what if...?"
Johnedwrd, Fermi has a HUGE several mile diameter accelerator ring. If they built the SSC here (like they SHOULD HAVE) it would be about 4 times larger. (They use Buffalo to cut their grass.)
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
I like to apply this law to the our social environment as well. We may suppress the reaction for some time, just as we can store potential energy in a spring, but eventually, like with the spring, the reaction will occur. This, I believe, must be considered when making foreign policy decisions.
And now I'm off.
Nite, Dawn & JE. I guess I'm left with the trolls. It must be a lonely life for them. I have noticed that Science seems to scare them away. Hmmmmmm.
Naw, They are just a-scared of the smart people.
Seems like tonight was "Science Night". Conversation got a little deep.
Posted by Dawn on October 5, 2007 at 09:04 PM
Suprized that anybody would have anything to do with you?
Posted by DPD on October 6, 2007 at 03:34 AM
Attention, Attention! Cat crap on Aisle 5!
Democrats are like Arabs. They cannot govern themselves.
They can´t be "house broken" either
Hey DopeyD, wheres your early morning chat buddy Goodfoe? Getting lonely with out him?
Pammy heads for the hygiene section and dopey gets the ex-lax.
Well, asswipe, BOTH of those Research facilities are located in DuPage County. About one of the (soon to be "formerly") Reddest Counties in the Country. It was a rival of San Diego for its Pug concentration. NOT. NO. MO.
Daley has ZERO sway here. And you got that Fed thing from ME, which I got from a City worker. Ahem, the week is up and his predictions have all come to naught.
So, you can fel free to BITE ME.
Posted by DPD on October 6, 2007 at 03:53 AM
Clean up the pile you made on ailse 5, then go meow at the moon.
The Democrat Party and the Ku Klux Klan: Aside from the multiple Klan
members who have served in elected capacity within the high ranks of the
Democrat Party, the political party itself has a lengthy but often
overlooked history of involvement with the Ku Klux Klan. Though it has
been all but forgotten by the media, the Democrat National Convention of
1924 was host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history.
Dubbed the "Klanbake convention" at the time, the 1924 Democrat National
Convention in New York was dominated by a platform dispute surrounding
the Ku Klux Klan. A minority of the delegates to the convention
attempted to condemn the hate group in the party's platform, but found
their proposal shot down by Klan supporters within the party. As
delegates inside the convention voted in the Klan's favor, the Klan
itself mobilized a celebratory rally outside. On July 4, 1924 one of the
largest Klan gatherings ever occurred outside the convention on a field
in nearby New Jersey. The event was marked by speakers spewing racial
hatred, celebrations of their platform victory in the Democrat
Convention, and ended in a cross burning.
II. Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement: A little known
fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil rights
movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect is
given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil
rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933
through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil
rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed
them in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked
by the left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the
Democrats have told flat out lies about their shameful record during the
civil rights movement. Democrat Senators organized the record Senate
filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the
organizers were several prominent and well known liberal Democrat
standard bearers including: Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al
Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to
the Civil Rights Act.
Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the Democrat
Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses to coerce
and intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary candidates of
choice. Though coercion is illegal, this system, known as the Patron
system, is still in use to this day by local Democrat parties in some
heavy Hispanic communities of the southwest. The next time Democrats
take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse Republicans of
racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until this very day
points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party.
In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of
ultra leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or
affiliates of racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's
heroes and leaders:
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese
Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St.
Louis area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman
known for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known
for making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race
hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial
slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of
Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic
voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate
for NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using
anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making
anti-white racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson,
Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis
The simple truth is that the Democrat Party's history during this
century is one closely aligned to bigotry in a record stemming largely
out of the liberal New Deal era up until the modern day. Bigots are at
the center of the Democrat party's current leadership and role models.
And in a striking display of hypocrisy, many of the same Democrats who
dishonestly shout accusations of "bigotry" at conservatives are
practicing bigots of the most disgusting and disreputable kind
themselves.
Yeah, right, TURD. Those "Democrats" were the "Dixie-Crats"; racists from the South who bolted the Party as soon as LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. Guess which party they fled to???
THE PUGS!
They migrated to the far left-wing. You know, the skeletons you asshats have hidden in your closet.
And, BTW, asswipe. FORMER Pugs ain't fleeing one of the wealthiest Counties in the Country, THEY ARE FED UP WITH THEIR OWN PARTY! They are switching affiliations, NOT moving to the North woods and using an outhouse and a pine cone in the middle of the night. Get real. The taxes on a home around here is probably more than you make in a year. Look up the census abstract that I already posted. (And check out the 'education' section, too.)
Well, asswipe, you are lying again. George Wallace ran AGAINST the Dems on the "American Independent Party" ticket. (Their colors were Orange and Blue.
Byrd has a 100% approval rating from the NAACP to this day.
Bringing those trolls into civilization, huh DPD.
Always wondered myself if these folks worked/or had been employed at one time and understood the concept of the cost of living.
the next time Nancy Pelosi speaks about a "failed foreign policy," you can ask her why she is befriending and propping up Syrian dictator and terror-sponsor, Bashar al-Assad.
And as for those Dixiecrats, never a truer word spoken. They ran like the speed of light to the REPs when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.
They also proceeded to devise an invisible "Jim Crow" since the physical barriers of discrimination were being torn down.
Senator Robert Byrd, D-WV: Byrd is a former member of the Ku Klux Klan
and is currently the only national elected official with a history in
the Klan, a well known hate group. Byrd was extremely active in the Klan
and rose to the rank of "Kleagle," an official Klan membership
recruiter. Byrd once stated that he joined the Klan because it was
effective in "promoting traditional American values" (Source). Byrd's
choice of words speak volumes about his bigotry considering the fact
that the Klan is a notorious hate group, and the racist "values" it
promotes are anything but American. One of the earliest criticisms of
Byrd's Klan ties came in 1952 when he was running for Congress. Byrd
responded by claiming that he had left the Klan in 1943 while noting
that "(d)uring the nine years that have followed, I have never been
interested in the Klan." Byrd was lying, however, as he engaged in
correspondence with a Klan Imperial Wizard long after he claims to have
ended his ties with the hate group.
In a letter to the Klan leadership dated 3 years after he purported to
have ended his ties with them, Byrd wrote "I am a former kleagle of the
Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state.
The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its
rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd continued his racist diatribe "It
is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state
of the Union" and followed with a request for assistance from the hate
group's leadership in "rebuilding the Klan in the realm" of West
Virginia.
Byrd's racism extends far beyond his Klan membership. In a letter he
wrote on the subject of desegregating the armed forces, Byrd escalated
his racist rhetoric to an appalling level. In the letter, Byrd vowed
that he would never fight in an integrated armed services noting
"(r)ather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in
the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours
become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen
from the wilds".
Byrd's racist opinions have shown their ugly face in his behavior in the
Senate. Byrd led the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and,
according to the United States Senate's own website, filibustered the
legislation to the bitter end appearing as one of the last opponents to
the act before a coalition of civil rights proponents led by Republican
Minority Leader Everett Dirksen invoked cloture so that the Civil Rights
Act of 1964 could pass. At the time, Byrd was in the the midst of a 14
hour and 13 minute filibuster diatribe against the key civil rights
measure.
Throughout the 1960's, Byrd was was one of the staunchest opponents to
civil rights in the U.S. Senate. Byrd's racist history drew attention
recently when he went on national television and repeatedly used the
n-word, one of the most vicious racial slurs in existence, in an
appearance on national television. Byrd uttered the slur on Fox News
Sunday with Tony Snow on March 5, 2001. Despite the appalling nature of
the remark, it went largely ignored by the mainstream media and the self
appointed "civil rights" leadership. Whereas a similar remark by anyone
other than a leading Democrat Senator would assuredly prompt the likes
of Jesse Jackson to assemble protest rallies demanding resignations, the
Jackson crowd was eerily quiet following Byrd's remarks, issuing only
low key suggestions that Byrd should avoid making such bigoted remarks.
In a sickening recognition of Byrd's appalling political career, the
national Democrat party has done nothing but embrace the West Virginia
senator with leadership roles and practically every honor imaginable. To
this very day the Democrats call former Klansman turned U.S. Senator
Robert Byrd the "conscience of the Senate." They have embraced him as
their party's central pillar in all ways possible. Byrd has been
reelected more times than any other Democrat senator, has served as a
Democrat in Congress, a Democrat State Senator in West Virginia, and a
Democrat State Delegate in West Virginia. Democrats have made repeatedly
elected Byrd into their national party leadership and into the U.S.
Senate leadership. He became secretary of the Senate Democrat Caucus in
1967, and Senate Democrat Whip in 1971. The Democrats elected former
Klansman Byrd as their Senate Majority Leader from 1977-1980 and as
their Senate Minority Leader from 1981-1986. Byrd was again elected
Democrat Majority Leader from 1987-1988. Democrats made Byrd the
chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee and President Pro
Tempore of the Senate from 1989 until the Republicans won control of the
Senate in November 1994. Following the defection of Jim Jeffords in June
2001, the Democrats again made Byrd the chairman of the Appropriations
Committee and elected him to the highest ranking office in the Senate:
the President Pro Tempore, a position which also put this former
Klansman 4th in line for the presidency. Byrd lost his position when
Republicans retook the Senate in late 2002, but continues to serve as
one of the highest ranking members of the Democrat Senate leadership
today.
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Byrd has a 100% approval rating from the NAACP to this day.
Posted by DPD on October 6, 2007 at 04:35 AM
Maybe he has a "private" relationship with "Bubba"?
Well, asswipe, since this County has been controlled by THE PUG PARTY since shortly after its inception I don't see how you can blame the Dems for the tax structure. YOU. ARE. AN. IDIOT!
And as for the "rich" (as if you even know the meaning of the word) "first tier" Pugs moving to "3rd or 4th tier" areas, it may have more to do with the Pugs' inherent inability to handle their finances, and just spend too much to "impress" their neighbors and friends, and not the least THEIR FAMILIES just like the alcoholic crack head in the White House who has bankrupted the National Treasury.
Stupid Pugs, buying on the cheap, over spending and not making it in Chimpy's America, and then refinancing their debt at a higher interest rate. WHEW!.
GoogleMaps Mashup Of Minneapolis Foreclosures
Yeah, It's a buyers market out there.
Yeah, It's a buyers market out there.
Posted by DPD
My dear friend Mr. oatmeal is correct. Most of the home owners who are in trouble made "bad choices". That's a liberal expression. More conservative people still use the word "mistakes".
They either over-bought their homes, using low interest ARMs or interest only loans to finance their displays of poor judgment or worse yet, they refinanced their existing homes using those tools and used the money extracted from the equity to buy expensive things like cars or vacations, etc.
How could they not know that once rates began to climb again (they always do) they would be in deep trouble?
Good morning all
So, Chimpo is stilling giving phoney reasons for vetoing chikdren's health care:
The Debate Goes On
Opponents of the children's health insurance program offer phony
reasons for President Bush's veto.
Saturday, October 6, 2007; Page A20
IT'S NOT THE money, President Bush says, it's the principle. He vetoed the expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
not because it cost too much, but because it was a march toward government takeover of health care. "I happen to believe that what
you're seeing when you expand eligibility for federal programs is the desire by some in Washington, D.C., to federalize health care," Mr.
Bush said on Wednesday after vetoing the measure.
Somehow, we don't recall such lamentations over the "federalization" of health care when Mr. Bush pressed for the most expensive new
entitlement program in decades: adding prescription drug coverage for Medicare recipients. That benefit was inevitably going to encourage some to switch from employer-sponsored private prescription drug coverage to the government-run program. Sound familiar? That wasn't so much of a problem then.
Mr. Bush's congressional allies sound a similar theme. "A national lurch toward socialized medicine," Chief Deputy Whip Eric Cantor
(R-Va.) wrote in the Richmond Times-Dispatch. On the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, Mr. Cantor cited The Post as having concluded that "this is a
move toward more government-controlled, Washington-based health care." For the record, we've never said anything of the sort. We think the measure Mr. Bush vetoed is a move toward helping children in low- and moderate-income families get health care at a time when private
coverage is increasingly unavailable and unaffordable.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/05/AR2007100501769.html
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It's clear that Chimpo's and his GOP supporters
care about private insurance companies but do they care at all about children?
Socialized medicine? What's so bad about that. It works throughout the world.
Brandon Friedman vs. Rush Hotlist
by mcjoan
Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 07:06:12 PM PDT
What can you say about a Republican party that is actually trying to raise money off of Rush Limbaugh's attacks on Iraq combat veterans? Let me just say that again: they are raising money off of Rush Limbaugh's attacks. On Iraq combat veterans. Iraq. Combat. Veterans.
One word that occurs is shameless. Another good one is desperate. How about unpatriotic? Because surely they are all of those things.
Here's Kossack and VoteVets.org spokesman (and veteran) Brandon Friedman discussing this despicable turn of events with Keith Olbermann on tonight's Countdown.
Morning rj,
I see the white house is still stonewalling on releasing torture documents. Congress is getting fed up with bush's stonewalling. Congress must not confirm any yahoo to the DOJ until they have those "secret" documents in their hands. Let bush swing in the breeze for the rest of his miserable existence in the white house. Any decent human being would have resigned by now.
Hi JE,
I agree with you on confirming the AG. Let's not do it until WH cooperates.
Open thread above by the way.
I pay $600 per year in taxes on what would be a million dollar home were it in the suburbs of a city.
Posted by JohnFitzgeraldOatmeal on October 6, 2007 at 04:36 AM
ahahahahaha
says a WHOLE lot about the trailer park you are in!!! hahahaha. 600 whole dollars each year???
Million dollar house? ahahahahaha. What did you use for money to build it??? You've been bankrupt and broke all your life. Get real! You have lied for the 3 1/2 years you been on here.
Propagandist, Rush Limbaugh doesn't appear to know what having CHARACTER means, since he has NO VALUES and NO STANDARDS, much less have character like the honorable soldiers standing against an unjust war.
Rush Limbaugh could have served militarily in some way but chose not to honorably serve his country militarily in any way at all, just skipped out on all military service account an "anal cyst" on his butt. How honorable is that?
http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp
Rush Limbaugh, the father of phonies, hid behind an ingrown hair on his butt to keep from serving in the military. Any honorable person with any degree of character would have served their country as these soldiers are doing. Rush Limbaugh's "anal cyst" was not a good enough reason for him not to have served his country militarily at all, but it was good enough for Rush Limbaugh.
When phony is talked about, the only phony is Rush Limbaugh who was so cowardly he hid behind a pimple on his ass to keep from having to serve his country honorably.
Rush Limbaugh's cowardly life of disrespect for his country and his "anal cyst" values and standards gives him no room to criticize honorable soldiers with REAL CHARACTER who have come to realize the phoniness of this "war for profit", and do not choose to kill their fellow man for corporate profit, instead of protection of their country, as is required.
In making any determination one has to have values and standards that the determination is based upon, as for Rush Limbaugh -- Rush Limbaugh has "anal cyst" values and standards.
On the basis of "anal cyst" values and standards: Are "anal cyst" values and standards sufficient for Rush Limbaugh to judge the military service of others?
This is the question as regards to Rush Limbaugh. "Anal cyst" values and standards of Rush Limbaugh OR "NOT anal cyst" values and standards of Rush Limbaugh, this is the question regarding Rush Limbaugh.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20071004/cm_uc_crjcox/op_454003
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