Rudy Giuliani Meets With Neocon About 'World War IV'

Posted by Stephanie Taylor on October 24, 2007 at 02:17 PM

Rudy Giuliani has been meeting with right-wing pundit Norman Podhoretz about the possibility of war with Iran.

"I was asked to come in and give him a briefing on the war, World War IV," said Mr. Podhoretz, a founding father of neoconservatism and leading foreign policy adviser to Mr. Giuliani. "As far as I can tell there is very little difference in how he sees the war and how I see it."

Podhoretz, whose newest book is titled World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism, added that he told Giuliani:

"The choice before us is either bomb those nuclear facilities or let them get the bomb."

Maybe even scarier:

In late spring, he met with President Bush at the Waldorf Astoria to share his views about what to do with Iran. As Karl Rove took notes, Mr. Podhoretz stressed that anything short of military action to prevent Iran from getting nuclear capabilities would fail, and that American needs to strike to prevent another Holocaust. Mr. Bush and Mr. Rove, Mr. Podhoretz recalled, laughed when he indirectly referred to the futility of the current American policy of pressuring Iran with sanctions and diplomatic isolation.

And the drumbeat for war with Iran continues...

Comments (11) «

If Bush goes to War with Iran, the Earth will be destroyed and God will roll it up like a scroll.
Revelations 6-14

Let us all re-think if we are right with God.

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freeforall on October 24, 2007 at 04:13 PM

Did I miss WW III? I feel so like those people on Jay Leno's Jaywalking segment.

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SandyH on October 24, 2007 at 10:18 PM

The only reason Bush and Cheney still hold their positions in government is because the next election will come sooner than they could be impeached and removed from office.

However, these guys and their hawk followers still have unfinished business before they're booted out, and I hope that Congress does not underestimate their potential for more damage.

Everytime that I hear some government official say that he serves at the pleasure of the president, I want to scream at them, "WE are a democracy, and WE do not serve the president -- HE serves at the pleasure of the people!"

I am so glad this blog's moderators have put up something on how this administration is trying to "curveball" us into another war. It is hard to know what is accurate about Iran's intentions, but I do know that whatever comes out of the mouths of this administration should be taken with several cartons of salt.

Congress should dangle impeachment proceedings over the heads of Bush and Cheney and let them know, in no uncertain terms, that anything that they might attempt, to further harm this country, will not be allowed or tolerated. This administration has been driving drunk for too long, and it's time for Congress to take away its keys.

And maybe Congress should let the hawks in other governments know that they do not get to drive our country into war either.

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Kathleen on October 25, 2007 at 02:39 AM

I say the next president should let us decide Bush's and Cheney fate considering they were the ones that caused this mess. We also need to have a law that prevents the Supreme Court from interfering like they did in 2000. Bush and Cheney need to be tried in international court for what they done to not only this country, but for what they have done in Iraq. Send them to the Hague to serve a long prison sentence and if their sentences are up, try them here for the crimes they have committed in this country, then have them serve long prison time in this country inside an maximum security prison for life. Time to lock up the war criminals and clean up their mess.

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Darien on October 25, 2007 at 01:10 PM

Everyone keep working like we did last year. Work and think what we can do better until all the people, all the time, see the Democrats as the peoples party. This encludes the rich, the middle class, the working poor and the welfare class.

If we keep our eyes on the prize, we will win.

Think folks, what can I do, what needs to be done?

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freeforall on October 25, 2007 at 02:42 PM

When it comes to national security and international security, people usually think of the possibility of attacks and the accumulation of weapons. I don't think that enough people understand that the state of our economy is of immense importance to national and international security.

The House Budgetary Committee recently held hearings where the Congressional Budget Office testified about our country's economic status as a consequence of the war in Iraq. This was followed by expert economists who detailed the current negative effects of war upon our economy, and future consequences. The picture was bleaker and more staggering that one could imagine, especially because they had crunched the numbers.

With the exception of one Republican, no Republican House members, nor any member of the Administration, participated in the hearing -- though their participation was requested.

This meeting was televised yesterday on C-SPAN, and it is important. There are devastating immediate economic consequences that grow exponentially as you bring out the data to related costs and future mandatory expenses.

Their testimony is a non-partisan wakeup call that must not be shoved under the rug. Not participating in a congressional budgetary meeting to discuss these crucial numbers will not make the problem go away. Considering the irrational thinking of this administration that is chomping at the bit to further extend our country into more military action on borrowed money, Congress, presidential candidates, and the public better wake up and face this economic reality. The neocon hawks will bankrupt the United States with their belligerent acts of aggression, making us extremely vulnerable, especially to those who hold our notes.

The Bush family has a history of bankrupting businesses, and has friends like Enron who think nothing of the financial devastation that they leave behind. And under the "watch" of this administration, billions of dollars have been lost and unaccounted for in their "war on terror." This comes to light, but then these staggering revelations are quietly covered-up as we move on to deal with the next disaster this administration is igniting.

For those who can't seem to generate any concern for the humanitarian devastation of war, perhaps the devastation to their pocketbooks will get their attention. Diplomacy costs very little, and gets far better results.

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Kathleen on October 25, 2007 at 08:10 PM

Just heard on Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

Runnin' Scared
Rudy's Pants On Fire
Secret testimony shows that Rudy's stump speech is inflated, at best
by Wayne Barrett
October 23rd, 2007 9:25 PM

In a recent broadside deriding the Clinton administration's response to Al Qaeda, Rudy Giuliani told an audience at Pat Robertson's Regent University: "Bin Laden declared war on us. We didn't hear it. I thought it was pretty clear at the time, but a lot of people didn't see it, couldn't see it." Other tenets of his standard stump speech include the assertion that he's been "studying terrorism" for more than 30 years, and that "the thing that distinguishes me on terrorism is that I have more experience in dealing with it" than the other presidential candidates. However, in private testimony before the 9/11 Commission in 2004, Rudy gave a very different version of how much he knew about terrorism when the World Trade Center was attacked. That testimony isn't scheduled to be released publicly until after the 2008 presidential election, but the Voice has obtained a copy of it. And it reveals a New York mayor who was anything but an "expert on terrorism."

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Veneita on October 25, 2007 at 08:45 PM

The Republicans want to create World War Infinity. They may assure that by bringing in their "surprise" candidate for the 2008 Election - JEB BUSH. You may think he is not running because he said so, but many of us know that like all the other Bushes (including Jeb), he is a liar. He probably has been warming up in the bullpen since the 2000 Election. And notice the gas prices rising AGAIN. We could see $40.00 a gallon at the end of his second term.

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GasCapOff on October 30, 2007 at 01:00 AM

According to the New York Times in ‘Mideast Hawks Help to Develop Giuliani Policy’
Published, October 25, 2007, Norman Podoretz advocates bombing Iran “as soon as it is logistically possible”.

Two others the Republican caucus have also introduced to Guiliani to help him think of ways to handle U.S. Foreign Policy in the war against terrorism reveal the lack of ethical ideas in the Republican foreign policy agenda as well.

According to same the New York Times article, these people include ‘Daniel Pipes, the director of the Middle East Forum, who has called for profiling Muslims at airports and scrutinizing American Muslims in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps; and Michael Rubin, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who has written in favor of revoking the United States’ ban on assassination.’

In the tone Cary Grant once used... ‘Rudy, Rudy, Rudy...’ better come up with some better ideas on your own and create your own party as well.


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ElizabethJW on October 30, 2007 at 07:46 AM

Gascapoff,

I hope it's not coming to that if Jeb Bush is anything like his brother, then we really are in trouble. It would take generations to undo the damage that George W Bush has done to our country. I hope that the American People wake up and stopping this from even happening. Hopefully the American people will see the Republicans for what they really are. A bunch of right-wing, greedy, deceitful, lying hypocrites that will do whatever it takes even it means to break the law to get their way.

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Darien on October 31, 2007 at 12:51 PM

yes, i do believe rudy would be horrible for the U.S., but who is the best candidate to run against him, we must put a democrat in the white house if we ever want any legislation to pass or for that matter, fix the problems with healthcare, social security, and have a balanced budget. i am backing hillary, but with the last debate we are fighting each other. we need to focus on the republicans. we are playing into the hands of them by giving them fuel to fire when we finally have the nominee. we can't go thru another 4-8 years with a republican, especially the likes of rudy. we must all get together, they are depending on the fact that we all fight against each other. maybe we should adopt what ronald reagan said, go after the other party and not your own. does anyone have anything to say about this particular subject.

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connfloyd on November 3, 2007 at 01:57 PM


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