Good Morning Good Dem's...have a great day!

boy those repelicans sure were funny last night.

Greg, did you catch the news that the General who was flown in for the debate is/was connected to the Clinton campaign?

I'm actually disappointed by this news...instead of letting these guys go down in flames from their poor showing at the debate you know the media is going to glob on to any 'plant' rumor regarding Hillary.

Posted by Kristen on November 29, 2007 at 09:48 AM

as I said on the other thread

HAHAHAHAH good for her!! Why shouldn't they be able to ask a question as well??? HAHHA! I love it!

reposting for Bob

Campaign 2008

Sen. Biden looks to ‘slow and steady’ approach to overtake Edwards in Iowa
By Sam Youngman

November 28, 2007

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) is trailing almost all of his Democratic rivals in the crucial first-in-the-nation caucus state of Iowa, but his campaign insists the longtime senator is building a “textbook” strategy that will propel him to third place.

The Biden campaign says it can shock the political world on Jan. 3 provided it succeeds on two fronts: soliciting support from elected officials in the state on the same level as front-running candidates Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), and focusing on rural and older caucus-goers.

Posted by DawnTheOriginaL on November 29, 2007 at 09:22 AM

The godawful GOP debate
Friday, Nov. 30, 2007 00:32 EST

"And, please God, no more debate questions about the Bible."

roflol! a funny read

Michelle Obama gets real

~snip~

She may be too authentic for Maureen Dowd, but the bold and plain-spoken candidate's wife has made doubting Iowans into believers.

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ok my question is, are we voting for the candidates mates?? I'm tired of hearing about the wives and husbands personally. INcluding the ALL IMPORTANT BILL!

But whatever. A woman usually is the strength behind the man anyway. jmo.

I'm actually disappointed by this news...instead of letting these guys go down in flames from their poor showing at the debate you know the media is going to glob on to any 'plant' rumor regarding Hillary.

Posted by Kristen on November 29, 2007

my coworker quickly brought up the "plant story" and i asked him if the guy was an american and therefore able to ask a question to presidential candidates. he didn't like that too much

Thursday November 29, 2007 07:45 EST
Integrity and slime, in old media and new

New York Times public editor Clark Hoyt did me the honor yesterday of replying to my column last week asking him to stop the brawl over Ronald Reagan and race on the paper's Op-Ed page. Hoyt declined to step in, but he did pass along news that Times editorial pages editor Andrew Rosenthal had already said, "Enough," which means we won't have another unconvincing rejoinder on the topic from David Brooks.

Thanks, Andy! Hoyt defended the Op-Ed page debate as healthy, which is fine, because so did a lot of Salon readers. I appreciated his thoughtful reply, and even more, I appreciate the Times' integrity for having taken the enormous risk of appointing a "public editor," in the wake of the Jayson Blair scandal and the paper's flawed reporting on the run-up to war with Iraq.

Hoyt was a particularly good choice on that score since he was a leader of one of the only mainstream news organizations to shine on that subject, Knight Ridder.

Time magazine could certainly take a page from the New York Times. Glenn Greenwald has indefatigably documented the problems with Joe Klein's column sliming Democrats for a FISA bill whose provisions he misrepresented, as well as Klein's many efforts on his blog to explain himself, which only made him look worse. Days after Greenwald pointed out Klein's error and Klein himself acknowledged it (sort of) on the blog, Time appended a grudging semi-correction to the original column online.

Then today they had to correct their correction! They've made no public statement on their mess, refusing to comment to the many bloggers who've tried to get a response. Time's ethical blunders and arrogance on this story help explain why the blogosphere is booming and the mainstream media is in free fall.

But not all bloggers are Glenn Greenwald. The folks over at Jezebel are blogging amok lately. They ran an unsourced nasty item about Barack Obama a couple of weeks ago, and then today claimed to have a source who had seen the transcript of Rebecca Traister's conversation with Michelle Obama, and who revealed the alleged slip of the tongue the Obama camp had kept off the record. Of course, the claim was completely false.

Of course, no one called me or Traister for comment. Late in the day they appended an update: Their source had confessed he was, like, totally joking! Funny! Luckily no one (except maybe poor Mickey Kaus, who linked to Jezebel's first scurrilous Obama item) takes them seriously -- and it's looking like no one ever will. Sure, it's a relatively young blog, but it's part of Nick Denton's vast empire, and he should know better. Yuck.
-- Joan Walsh

rudy got judy
to give up the booty
out in the hamptons
which are quite snooty

new yawkers wouldn't mind
about a piece of behind
cept they had to pay
for that top shelf whine

...my creative juices are flowing...time to get the finger paints out!

Posted by gregg on November 29, 2007 at 10:32 AM

U made that up? HA! Cute Greggy!

Mornin' {{Dems}}

Just a reminder -- Dewey's birthday is on the 6th.

Glad I gave the puggie debates a miss last night. I couldn't have stood that sorry continuation of a bullshit festival. They don't make boots that tall.

I don't believe that any sane person can call themselves at once "pro-war", "pro-death-penalty" and "pro-life". Without quotes, the latter concept doesn't even belong in the same sentence as the former two. I don't even want to know what kind of weird lies one has to tell one's self to live comfortably with such philosophically irreconcilable concepts.

Then again, lying to themselves and everyone else is what the nutcase right do the very best.

I also don't want to know what kind of drugs or madness one has to indulge in, in their "pro-war" red haze, so they can live with the idea that war is a wonderful idea -- especially when it's someone else's families who are getting killed or maimed for the enrichment of a few corrupt old bastards. Worse than crazy, the right wing are 99.9999% cowards.

I see absolutely nothing to recommend anyone in the Republic field. At this point, we'd be swapping one right-wing nutjob for another one. The only discernible difference between the chimp and the Republic wannabe's is that most of the wannabe's can at least handle the English language. Other than that, they're utterly replaceable, barely-moving parts, only interested in what they can screw out of everyone else.

As much as I distrust Hillary, I still would trust her mega-light-years ahead of the best of the Republics.

I wish we picked up the McLaughlin Group here.
I always miss it on Sundays. Here's the video from last Sunday for anyone else that missed it.

Posted by HillWilliam4Edwards08 on November 29, 2007 at 10:37 AM

I feel exactly the same way about Edwards

I'll vote for him even though I don't trust him.

Dawn,

We're even, heh :-D The worst Dem we've got in front of us is still head-and-shoulders above the very, very, very, veryvery best the Republics can offer.

Jeeperscreepers, can Republics ever run anyone who isn't either a vegetable, a mental case or an admitted and unashamed crook? Looking back at the last 40 years, I can't see a single one who wasn't at least one of the three. If that's the best they can offer, the only thing I can say is, "well, scum floats."

fyi this is the way FAUX news is headlining that Anderson Cooper screw up.

Gay General at GOP Debate Is Hillary Supporter
Host acknowledges the participation of a retired Army colonel linked to Clinton in Republican debate.

(real nice huh?) :-\

I was disappointed that the real issues that are concerning the majority of Amercans were not even discussed in last nights debate. Instead it was the usual Repuke fodder God, Guns, and Gays.
When I speak with my friends and neighbors, I have never heard any of them express concern over the right to bear arms, I have never heard any worry about what a candidate believes or doesn't believe about the bible. What they are concerned about is how they will afford to pay for heating oil, how they are going to continue to pay ever rising gas cost. I hear them worrying about how to pay for their kids educations, and how they are going to keep paying for the risings costs of healthcare and insurance.
Shame on CNN for not picking the right questions. I can't believe that out of 5000 plus questions that there weren't better and more important issues.

11/29/2007
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Endorses Clinton

The Clinton Campaign today announced the endorsement of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

"Hillary Clinton has the strength and experience to bring the war in Iraq to an end and reverse the potentially devastating effects of global warming," Kennedy said. "I watched proudly as Hillary won over New Yorkers across the state in her race for the Senate seat my father once held. Since then, she’s been reelected in a landslide victory and proven that she is ready to lead this nation from her first day in office. Hillary will inspire the real change America needs."

"Bobby has worked tirelessly to protect our environment and raise awareness about the dangers of global warming and pollution,” Clinton said. "I’m deeply honored to have his support and counsel."

Kennedy serves as Chief Prosecuting Attorney for the Hudson Riverkeeper and President of Waterkeeper Alliance. He is also a Clinical Professor and Supervising Attorney at Pace University School of Law’s Environmental Litigation Clinic and is co-host of Ring of Fire on Air America Radio. Earlier in his career he served as Assistant District Attorney in New York City.

In recognition of his environmental efforts, Time Magazine named him one of its "Heroes for the Planet" for his success leading the fight to restore the Hudson River.

Kennedy is scheduled to campaign for Clinton at stops in eastern Iowa today.

and for all of our Hispanic readers here some good news.

~snip~

FROM THE SENATE: Senator Clinton Calls for Quicker Action on Citizenship Applications

Washington, DC - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton today called on the Secretary of Homeland Security to address significant delays in the processing of citizenship applications by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). In a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, Senator Clinton urged quick action to clear up the growing backlog of applications and criticized the excessive fee increases being imposed on applicants. She also asked for a timeline indicating when these problems will be resolved.

"These are applicants who have played by the rules and waited patiently for their chance to share in the American Dream. They deserve prompt and fair action on their applications," Senator Clinton said.

Posted by HillWilliam4Edwards08 on November 29, 2007 at 10:53 AM

hey hill, how'd you like the conservation text?

Posted by BillMiller08 on November 29, 2007 at 11:00 AM

shhhhh...let's not give 'em any ideas. let 'em keep rolling their little balls of shit around while we talk about what really matters to people. come november the only votes the fascist rethugs will get will be those from the 'shit for brains' ('cause that's what they've been fed) crowd.

btw...hello, everybody

Posted by BillMiller08 on November 29, 2007 at 11:00 AM

Well said, said BillMiller.

The MSM may be willing to give the Republicans cover, but the voters want these economic problems talked about. If it doesn't happen on air, they will talk that much more about it amongst themselves.

People are far more influenced by their peers than they are by the media. It's our job to keep the discussion going and encourage people to vote...make it easy for them to vote.

the repub debate turned out just as expected, see which group/groups we can single out, bash and get everyone to hate. hey if we hate the same people, we must be friends right? i forget which person said he would make a untamperable national ID card. within a couple of months of the uncounterfitable 100 dollar bill, there were already forgeries so good the secret service had a hard time telling the difference. maybe he was talking of a nationally implanted microchip?

ok I've scanned a dozen or so and now it's time to do something OTHER than politics.

BBL
Peace and Enjoy your day!

ps. Goodfoe, tell Buddy & Sissy that Atreyu , Figaro and Logan say HI lol ;-)

(and no that's not santa or a reindeer silly)

Posted by SandyH on November 29, 2007 at 11:15 AM

hey sandy, this is off topic, but given that Lott is stepping down, we have an opportunity in november to replace him with a democrat. i'd like to do anything i can to help this happen. any ideas about what i might do?

Guess-

If you'd care to take a closer look at that snopes page you referenced, you'd see that the claim is false.

insinuate you RE TARD O!

just keep making chit up - no one is listening to you PERVERT PUGS ANYWAY

NOW I'm out!!

MICHAEL DARLINK - CLEAN UP TURD-AISLE 911

my favorite trent lott quote
Lott insisted that, "Racial discrimination does not always violate public policy."
this and more at
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=208

Posted by guess on November 29, 2007 at 11:44 AM

hey dumbass...to be treated like a human you must first act like, be like, and talk like a human. you, quite obviously are not.

Pat Robertson is at it again. He has a lot of young people under his spell. They are using Highway I-35 as a religious symbol...a word from God to do "purity sieges." This is scary stuff.

Pat Robertson, 1-35, purity sieges

"What if the yellow cloud surrounding I-35 isn’t an “invasion” from Mexico but an “invasion” of God? That, apparently, is the theory of the youth-oriented church activists profiled on yesterday’s “700 Club,” who are running “purity sieges” at clinics and porn shops, where they claim to be “moving angels and demons”

Good Morning, ALL!

Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many because Cokie the Booze Hound decided to play with his new toys.

Way to go, Chimpy! (you ass).

ok one more just because I found a funny

gRAND OLD (and tired) PERVERT PARTY PET STORE

Posted by jimmyc451 on November 29, 2007 at 11:45 AM

that was a stupid and insinsative remark for lott to make, but technically he may actually have been correct. we all know that unfortunately, the bill of rights stops at your employers door and federal hiring regulations usually don't apply when federal dollars aren't involved.

guess,

Are you not providing information as proof positive the republicans have been attacking and Clintons?

The FBI should be informed of your knowledge of the Clinton associate hit list.

Are you an accomplice in these murders?

DNC Cancels CBS Debate

Awww, I guess right wing tools Bob (Chimpy's golf partner) Scheiffer and Katie (the Pug lovin' smurf) Couric will have to find something else to do that night.

Hi and HELP ME
I am having a complete meltdown trying to work with congresspedia/sourcewatch. Is anybody out there that has the slightest clue as to how I can move an article or page from sourcewatch to congresspedia?
We are having a huge problem in the 1st CD in WI with some spoilers in the primary...perennial loser and now it appears that there is yet another man who seems to be quickly becoming another perennial problem. So, I went to congresspedia and found only one of our viable candidates for the primary listed and very much need to put the other viable one up........
Any help of any kind would probably stop me from having to take serious actions with a whiskey bottle later on........and we don't want another drunken blogger wandering lost through cyberspace when I Could be working on a campaign.
rant done.........please help

that was a stupid and insinsative remark for lott
Posted by BoilerMan on November 29, 2007

it says public policy, not private industry

it says public policy, not private industry

Posted by jimmyc451 on November 29, 2007 at 12:58 PM

you are correct. it does say that. yet, it remains that racial descrimination is not illegal throughout the US and to that extent it does not always violate policy, especially if it's not included in policy. i'm not trying to defend the statement. it's just semantics.

Howdy, Kay. I have no idea how to do that. I'm surprised I can open my e-mail.

Posted by DawnTheOriginaL on November 29, 2007 at 10:55 AM

Sheesh. Are the republicans now taking the position that the only people that can ask questions during the debate are those that are independent???? Gotta love the selfservatives. They have mastered the art of squeezing more nothing out of nothing.

Splendid. Now not only are there less dollars in our pockets but less dollars in our assets too.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The biggest plunge in new home prices in 37 years was not enough to revive October sales, according to the government's latest reading on the battered housing and home building markets.

The sales pace for October was well short of economists' forecasts. The Census Bureau's latest report also sharply cut back on its earlier estimates for sales in August and September, when a meltdown in mortgage markets kept many potential buyers from getting the financing they needed.

Also depressing sales and prices was a record 191,000 completed new homes on the market that have not yet been sold.

http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/29/news/economy/newhome_sales/index.htm?cnn=yes

Good afternoon, Blue.

I don't think they even wanted "independents" there. They were all probably Pug plants. It's obvious by the questions chosen that it was a Pug softball fest from the git-go. ONLY wedge issue questions were asked (immigration, guns, gays, God, taxes) and not a word about the 4 things the general public think is important (Health Care, education, economy, Iraq).

Here's how Nazi-like the paranoid Pugs have gotten:

before you can vote repubbblican you must swear you're a repubbblican

I guess they figured it out and got wise that we are on to their little scam, which I have done several times. (Vote for the biggest moron in the Pug primary, and then vote against him in the General if he gets the nomination, so the Dem wins).

Hey, it's legal, and the vote theft vipers in the Pug party invented it. 2 can play at that game, so what goes around, comes around.

After reading back on some posts, it still amazes me that some people still believe everything that hits their inbox.

Oh, well. That's how we got in the mess we're in now.

bbl.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on November 29, 2007 at 01:13 PM

Hey Blue,

The fact they (faux news) made the General's Sexual Preference part of the headline (I had no idea as I'm sure most people didn't nor did they care) just proves how heinous they are in spirit.

They can't even make a decent NEWS worthy headline. Had to be something gossipy and about sex. That's really ALL they care about isn't it? Oh yea and torturing women who are RAPE worthy. PFT! :-/

I really have NO use for anyone anymore that claims to be a Republican. I pity them. I will be forever jaded where they are concerned. And I am MUCH more generous in spirit than MOST of my closest DEM friends.

Can you imagine how the middle east feels about them? (or in turn even us for allowing this to continue??)

u know if it were reversed the PUGS would have never allowed this to go so far .......... all of it, the war, habeas corpus, all the thousands of proven lies and distortions, the traitor talk, the long long long list of perverts and criminals being busted DAILY!! (if 90 percent of them were DEMS??)

I mean people have created WHOLE WEBPAGES on just the perverts alone!! sick pukes.

Oh lawdy, that old bulls**t on Clinton and the mysterious deaths while he was in office? How simple and gullible and easily led some people are.

Maybe it is time for me to do the List of all the Republican Wall of Shame, i.e. Corrupt ones, Perverted ones, adulterous ones, Criminal ones!

Maybe it is time to list all those who were appointed by Bush, who either were indicted or else left office because they would not follow corruption like sheeple.

Sighhhhhh, as they watched that group of choices last night, they are getting more and more frustrated and upset over the 'none of the above' group ! I guess we shall have to get used to it.

It's hilarious Pam

IF all those body guards listed were KILLED by the Clintons??? I mean how insane does that sound just on the surface?? LOL

Besides, if that were at all true you KNOW it would be headline news item ONE on CNN with Wolf, MSNBC with Tucker and every last faux anchor on the planet would be chiming in.

They hate the Clintons so you KNOW damn well if there were any THERE THERE it would be on their shows. Period.

Don't forget all the BushCo opponents or whistle blowers who "mysteriously" die in plane crashes. All the way back to (and before) the Nixon administration. It seems to be the 'offing' of choice for these Nazis, regardless of how many other people have to die along with their target. They're just collateral damage.

Some good news for Edwards people
(of course you all probably know this by now)

In terms of second-choices in Iowa, John Edwards tops the list of candidates. He is the second choice for 28% of likely caucus participants. Obama is the second choice for 18%, Clinton for 16%, and Richardson for 15%. Second choice preferences are especially important given the nature of the Iowa caucuses. In a particular caucus setting, if a candidate receives less than 15% of the vote, their supporters will be re-allocated to other candidates.

As Huckabee said "Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office." Then why should He endorse any politician especially Huckabee? After all, look at their political religion that corrupts “We the people” patriot religions of equality and diversity that takes all of US in, without reservations.

I wonder if he attends a segregated rich congregation as a Baptist that will allow mixed races, I heard he advocate mixed congregations. It will serve as an example to unity in America. I wonder what he thinks of diversity in public schools? What is his track record on public education?

Huckabee is a member of the "Liberal Arts" Ouachita Baptist University Board of Trustees, 1991-present. So will he resign all his religious affiliation for separation of church and state? You can say Huckabee is a Liberal supporter.

Huckabee believes in Biblical inerrancy and worked for James Robison, a television evangelist.

Mike Huckabee From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A newspaper article reported on Huckabee's 1993 win: "Morris said the mistake Republicans always make is that they are too much of a country club set.
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On May 22, 1998, the Arkansas Ethics Commission fined Huckabee US$1,000 for failing to report campaign payments made to Huckabee and his wife.
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On April 11, 2001, Huckabee signed the "Covenant Marriage Act", which is a marriage contract option that compels the couple to seek counseling if problems develop during the marriage, provides limited grounds for divorce or separation, and restricts lawsuits against spouses.[34][35] Huckabee said the law, "offers couples a chance to be held to a higher level of marital commitment."[36]

In 2001 Huckabee proclaimed October as "Student Religious Liberty Month" and urged student districts to allow their students to pray.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee

As Huckabee said "Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office." Then that must make all politicians dumb asses.

As Huckabee said "Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office." Yes, look at how they handle God's wealth. Try you own Huckabee reply.

HUNTER HEADLINES

Hunter Poll Finds Clinton Has Support of 63% of LGB Likely Voters

In the first public, political survey ever conducted by a university-based team of scholars with a nationally representative sample of lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGBs) Americans, results released today show that Senator Hillary Clinton has the support of 63 percent of LGB likely voters in the Democratic primaries, followed by Senator Barack Obama with 22 percent and John Edwards with 7 percent. The Hunter College Poll also finds that during the process of “coming out,” LGBs become more liberal and more engaged in the political process than the general population.

“We found a stunning transformation in political views in the LGB community of a magnitude that is virtually unparalleled among social groupings in the U.S. population,” said political science professor Kenneth Sherrill of Hunter College, one of the study’s investigators. The Hunter College Poll was conducted with 768 respondents by Knowledge Networks, Inc. from November 15th through November 26th, 2007.

Other findings include:

something is wrong with that bottom link but it's the same as the top link and I found THAT link through MYDD. (incase anyone wonders)

It's amazing the thing you find when you read people comments.

Well, aswipe, LOOK HERE!

missssssssing many sssss's lol

snicker! ^5 doobie

Huckabee reminds me of President Carter.

yea most baptists tend to look alike (HA, kiddin)

Posted by gregg on November 29, 2007 at 10:32 AM
Not bad now paint like Michelangelo.

Stop Endless War in Iraq

Hi,

Have you seen the news? President Bush is negotiating a deal with Iraq to keep our troops there indefinitely--it could include permanent bases and a massive military presence for years! Bush is trying to tie the hands of the next president.

Congress can stop him from setting up permanent bases in Iraq and block an indefinite occupation--but they need to hear a groundswell of pressure from us immediately and loudly so they act on this quickly.

I just signed a petition demanding that Congress stop the president from committing to a massive military presence in Iraq for decades. Can you join me? Click on the link below to take action.

http://pol.moveon.org/endless

Thanks!

anyone else having trouble with Air America today?

I am having all kind of loading problems.........

I can't handle the Ed loves Ed show anymore.

A "Surge" for Afghanistan?
By Gordon Lubold
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112907M.shtml

sighhhhh, don't bother doo B doo,

like I said, this is one of those simple, naive, gullible, easily led , last of the 28% who cling steadfastly to Bush is a hero, Clinton was bad.

Never remembers back to how good he had it during the 90's when bill Clinton took real good care of him and his family.

You will never convince him otherwise. To do so, is to admit he was wrong and he was stupid.

Posted by DemocratKickingAss on November 29, 2007 at 02:30 PM

SIGNED w/comments! Thanks!

I don't think JIMMY CARTER ever claimed he could talk to GOD did he???

FLASHBACK: Mike Huckabee’s Phone Call From God

Last night at the CNN/YouTube debate, a questioner asked the candidates — “who would call yourselves Christian conservatives” — to answer what would Jesus do about the death penalty. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee jokingly responded, “Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office. That’s what Jesus would do.”

It was fitting that Huckabee be asked what Jesus thinks because, in the past, the former Baptist minister has asserted an ability to talk directly to God.

S C A R Y F R E A K I E F U N D I E S ! ! !

Doo B,

Did you ever see this review of that Crazy Right Wing list on Clinton ???

Origin of the 'Clinton Body Count'

According to an article by Philip Weiss in the February 23, 1997 issue of The New York Times Magazine, the earliest version of the Clinton Body Count was authored by Indianapolis attorney Linda Thompson, founder of the right-wing American Justice Federation. The list originally contained the names of 26 alleged victims, though it has grown, and shrunk, and grown again since then, with some variants boasting over 100 names.

A Few Specifics

It would be redundant to replicate the thorough research already done by others on the 47 cases listed in this version of the Body Count (see resources below), but for good measure I have investigated the circumstances surrounding the deaths of the first five "victims" on the list:

James McDougal - Friend and business partner of the Clintons, died of a heart attack -- not an apparent heart attack -- while serving time on a fraud conviction. McDougal had a pre-existing heart condition. Prison guards placed him in solitary confinement after he refused to take a urine test and failed to provide him with the medications he kept in his cell, according to a subsquent investigation. No foul play was suspected. ("Report Details McDougal's Final Hours," Houston Chronicle, 14 September 1998.)

Mary Mahoney - "One of the first interns to work at the Clinton White House," according to her family. Not one news source reporting on her murder suggests that Mahoney, a lesbian, was poised to claim "sexual harassment in the White House." She died of gunshot wounds along with two other Georgetown, DC Starbucks employees during a botched robbery attempt on July 6, 1997. Per police investigations and a written confession by the killer, Carl Cooper of Washington, DC, Mahoney was shot while struggling with the perpetrator over the keys to the safe. A witness corroborated that Cooper had been planning to rob the Starbucks for at least a month before the crime occurred. ("Starbucks Police Affidavit," Washington Post, 17 March 1999; "Solving the Starbucks Case," Washington Post Magazine Live Online, 3 March 2003.)

Vince Foster - A lifelong friend of the Clintons, White House aide Vince Foster killed himself with a handgun on July 20, 1993. He had been suffering from depression. No fewer than five official investigations were conducted into the circumstances of his death, and none found evidence of foul play. In 1997, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr's own report on the Vince Foster case was unsealed by the U.S. Court of Appeals. It began: "The available evidence points clearly to suicide as the manner of death." ("Case Closed on Vincent Foster - Again," St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 15 Oct 1997.)

Ron Brown - Commerce Secretary under President Clinton, Ron Brown died in a plane crash on April 3, 1996. Conspiracy theorists have alleged that X-rays of Brown's head showed "possible bullet fragments" in the vicinity of what some described as a "gunshot wound." A re-examination conducted by Air Force pathologist Col. William T. Gormley and reviewed by a panel of other military pathologists found "no bullet, no bone fragments, no metal fragments and, even more telling, no exit wound," according to Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page. ("The Ron Brown Conspiracy Machine," Chicago Tribune, 15 January 1998.)

C. Victor Raiser II and his son, Montgomery Raiser - The prominent Democratic fundraiser and close friend of Bill Clinton died along with his son and four other people in an airplane crash on a fishing trip in Alaska in 1992. Raiser had no known connection with any Clinton scandal, nor was his death in any way "mysterious." A National Transportation Safety Board investigation determined that the pilot, who survived the crash, had stalled the plane while trying to veer away at the last minute from a dangerous, cloud-covered mountain pass. ("Air Safety Loophole May Close," Anchorage Daily News, 18 June 1995.)

Huckabee info from above article on immigration.

Huckabee has been criticized for his positions on illegal immigration. In his 2005 State of the State address, he complained that a Hispanic student was not able to get financial aid because he was an illegal alien. Huckabee said: "But when he applied for financial aid, he wasn’t eligible for the various scholarships or grants because of his status, a status that he had no decision in or control over." Huckabee supported a 2005 bill by Arkansas State Representative Joyce Elliott to make some illegal aliens eligible for scholarships and in-state college tuition. Huckabee vehemently opposed a 2005 bill sponsored by Arkansas State Senator Jim Holt which would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants, calling it "un-Christian." Huckabee argued that illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits: "They pay fuel taxes. If they're using a fake Social Security number, they're paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit. It would be closer to the truth to say they're subsidizing Joe McCutchen and Jim Holt more than the other way around." When a Mexican consulate opened in Little Rock in 2006, Huckabee strongly supported it. The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported: "Before he left office, former Gov. Mike Huckabee gave $10,000 to Little Rock. The money was given to help the consulate. Former Mayor Jim Dailey had requested that the governor match the city’s Dec. 19 contribution of $50,000 in a letter written Dec. 20. Huckabee’s contribution came from the governor’s $500,000 emergency fund and was one of roughly 20 appropriations Huckabee made from the taxpayer fund in his final days in office." Critics of Huckabee say his support of the Mexican consulate broke federal law. In 2007, Huckabee said, "I just don't think it's realistic to say this weekend we're going to round up 12 to 20 million young people and their children and we're going to put them across the border and they're never going to come back." In a 2007 interview, Huckabee argued against job loss caused by illegal immigration saying, "You know, when people say, 'they're taking our jobs'—I used to hear that as Governor—and I started asking this question, 'can you name me any person, give me their name, who can't get a job plucking a chicken or picking a tomato or tarring a roof that would like to do that work?' ...

HAS THIS BEEN UP YET?

Leahy threatens White House with contempt

by James Oliphant

~snip~

It's a drama that still likely will never see its final act, but the confrontation between the Senate and the White House over last spring's U.S. attorney controversy is inching ever so forward.

Today, Patrick Leahy, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, declared that several current and former White House must comply with committee subpoenas to testify and that their reasons for failing to do so were insufficient.

“I have given the White House’s claims of executive privilege and immunity careful consideration,” Leahy wrote in a formal ruling on the subpoenas. “I hereby rule that those claims are not legally valid to excuse current and former White House employees from appearing, testifying and producing documents related to this investigation."

WOOHOO ABOUT TIME!!

It was fitting that Huckabee be asked what Jesus thinks because, in the past, the former Baptist minister has asserted an ability to talk directly to God.
Posted by DawnTheOriginaL on November 29, 2007

romney also asserts to speak with god directly

A book to tell your relatives you want for Christmas, and to send a copy of to those last few Republican relatives who's heads are still up their asses !

ONLY 378 Reasons Not to Vote Republican? We Hope That This Is Jack's First Edition in a Series of Why Not to Vote for the GOP.

From the Publisher, Nation Books:

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Jack's previous book, the "Bush-Hater's Handbook," was one of BuzzFlash's top sellers.

http://www.buzzflash.com/store/reviews/800

romney also asserts to speak with god directly

Posted by jimmyc451 on November 29, 2007 at 02:45 PM

betcha it was God who told Romney to keep his 5 strapping sons home and not send them to Iraq !

Posted by jimmyc451 on November 29, 2007 at 02:45 PM

WELL, well, that's a BIG old conflict isn't it?

Does GOD speak to Baptists or Mormons FIRST?????

(roflmao)

this is the GOOFY ignorance of MOST sheeple

LOL Pammy!

bbl
need fuel

Peace

Posted by DawnTheOriginaL on November 29, 2007 at 02:38 PM

Oh, I'll assert that anyone can talk directly to G'd. It's when they start claiming that they hear back directly and personally that I give 'em the ol' one-eye ;-/ .

How'd that quote go? The one that went like "if you talk to G'd, it's called prayer. If G'd talks to you, it's called insanity."

Yep. Som'p'n like that. I wrote Huckleberry off a good while back as either another moonbat or one of the slickest crooks going. Given that he's a babdiss preachah, I'll place my bet on the latter and keep my hand firmly on my wallet.

{{Bill}} LOL @ the ole ONE eye

I agree. If you are hearing voices they're probably NOT GOD!!! seek HELP! LOL

Hey {{{Bill}}}

I got a laugh out of the line up last night, when Thompson and they were saying they had to get rid of Roe v Wade. Like their own wives, kids, cousins, sisters, all have never had to make a choice because of rape or a disabled fetus or whatever. If these men would only mind their own business! I hope when Hillary gets in, maybe she will appoint judges who will call for Mandatory Ban on Republican's procreation !

Posted by HillWilliam4Edwards08 on November 29, 2007 at 02:52 PM

What absolutely drives me crazy is that no one make him answer the actual question! The question was intended to get the so-called prolifers and Kristians to realize that Christ was perhaps the most well-known victim of the death penalty. What is the purpose of these "debates" if the candidates are not forced to answer the question?

I just read that the Teddy Bear criminal received 15 days in jail and a ticket out of Sudan. This is what happens when you mix religion and government.

anybody wanting to point out how softball the questions were last night, compared to the Dem ones,

360@cnn.com

Anderson Cooper !

Watch as Dunkin Donut and Hustle-me spew the typical homophobic answer. And, then watch as Flip Flopney executes his best 180 degree full twisting double back pike and nails the landing!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/23875/1/CNN-Youtube-Kerr.wmv

For your Holiday gift giving, or if you plan to do a lot of entertaining, I have found the PERFECT gift.

George W. Bush TOILET PAPER.

(Design available on two ply rolls, and also shirts and mugs.)

At least he'll be useful for SOMETHING (for once in his pathetic life).

They also have GWB condoms, to which I have to say NO WAY!

Good afternoon fellow Democrats.

good afternoon bob

Posted by Michigan_Dave on November 29, 2007 at 03:57 PM

Fifty lashes with a wet noodle for plagarism. How dare you copy the selfservative bible word for word!

Hi Bob! Did you see the post that I left for you yesterday?

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 29, 2007 at 03:27 PM

OMG what a serious MOOD breaker!! ACK!

Posted by Michigan_Dave on November 29, 2007 at 04:09 PM

ewwwwwwwwww lol

Michigan_Dave: You have one wicked sense of humor! You're my kind of guy!

waiting for him to take a breath.

OMG ROFLOL! I do the same damn thing!!!

Doo-Bee, Thanks for that toilet paper site. I am ordering a bunch of it. Did you see they have Ann Coulter Face plastered on toilet paper too? I have to get some of that too, just for my own personal satisfaction of watching it swish down the toilet !!!

Afternoon-Michigan Dave. How's it going? Oh, I don't like Anderson either. He emailed me back in response to an email once, and we had a little go -round!

I started out watching the 7 stooges, but just couldn't make myself stay for it all. McCain and Thompson look so freaken OLD and tired out, I yawned watching them. Romney and Giuliani made asses out of themselves, "You protect illegals," NO, you HIRED illegals", "Did not" "you did too".

I am willing to bet a large sum, that after last night's performance, that a lot of minds were made up NOT to vote Republican, no matter which one of them gets it!

The entire group of Republicans they had back stage, who have not made up their minds yet, said they STILL had not made any decisions, in fact one said she was voting for John Edwards!

I will be sad to see the Republican party disappear! NOT !!!!!!!!

AH HA ! COULD THIS BE WHY LOTT RETIRED THE OTHER DAY?????????

Mississippi Attorney Indicted in Bribery Case
By Michael Kunzelman
The Associated Press

Wednesday 28 November 2007

Scruggs, whose brother-in-law is Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., earned millions from asbestos litigation and from his role in brokering a multibillion dollar settlement with tobacco companies in the mid-1990s. After Katrina hit on Aug. 29, 2005, the Gulf Coast native sued insurers on behalf of hundreds of policyholders whose claims were denied after the storm.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112907C.shtml

Mandatory Ban on Republican's procreation !

Posted by PamB on November 29, 2007 at 03:08 PM

HA! How did I miss this one! Whoa!! I'd vote for that in a BIG BANG nano second!

Blue,

Aw, c'mon... commute that harsh sentence on Dave. It wasn't blasphemin' to quote the Selfservative Scriptcha According to Rove.

Well, maybe it was, but it was funny as aitch :-D

Posted by Michigan_Dave on November 29, 2007 at 04:09 PM

To put a pin prick in 'em, first find a willing Republic. (ar ar ar!) That shouldn't be too difficult. They only go for two kinds of sex; both of which are illegal...

Question is Retired Brig. Gen. Keith H. Kerr on Hillary's campaign? Is he a member of the LGBT Americans For Hillary Steering Committee and a co-chair on Hillary Clinton's National Military Veterans group? If he is then Hillary should be apologize for planting her agent as the Republican debate. It is the same as her team planting a question in a Democratic debate. What is wrong with her campaign team?

By the way what he said at the debate is this true about his credentials. Some said he was not a General.

Why would Hillary play into Republican hands? Her A team is acting like a B(ush) team.

I know I don't have to comment on ALL the posts (doh) but man ya'll are doing some great comedy today!!

I have to tell someone when I appreciate that they are giving me some GREAT endorphins - and I THANK YOU all!

Posted by dlesterpoet on November 29, 2007 at 04:23 PM

are you high?

Posted by marymac_memphis on November 29, 2007 at 04:06 PM

Hello Mary. Checking now...

When the military was segregated by race they said mixing the races would destroy moral and today it has been proven wrong.I think the military should allows gays in the service, they are already there serving proudly. If they are found to be gay by accident then the military needs to let them serve as long as they do not break any laws.

I think we need to see military records and see why people are being discharged in a Conservative Military. I have heard of soldiers being discharged for alcohol. Congress make a soldier while serving his country an adult! Use their ID as proof enough they are allowed a beer, especially after serving in Iraq.

Dave youre a hoot man!! Have a great day!

I'm back out too. The blanket statements of opinion as fact by dlester are a bit much for me.. and the assumptions are RIDICULOUS and NOT much for a spirit of truth or goodness. You are a secretly a pretty hostile poet but thats just MY opinion

damn and I was just feeling pretty good too until the BS started

ack l8tr

Good aftern all!

Bob: Do you have a copy of Sen. Biden's book. I just ordered one. I would love for Sen. Biden to autograph. Do you know where I could get an address to send my book?

Marymac, I did not see it.

are you high?

Posted by DawnTheOriginaL on November 29, 2007 at 04:26 PM
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Excuse me, by asking a question, am I high. Hell no, I just think someone that asked a question who is on another campaign team needs to announce it. The same if someone was asking a question for someone else in a debate.

Am I high DawnTheOriginaL, why are you on the rag? You do not have to answer that because it should have been stated should it have.

The sad fact is that the Republican Party will use this along with Hillary's planted questions to show Hillary is an unflattering light.

The sad fact is that the Republican Party will use this along with Hillary's planted questions to show Hillary is an unflattering light.
Posted by dlesterpoet on November 29, 2007 at 04:50 PM

dlester, from what I have seen on other blogs today, both left and right, it is not a big deal. Nobody SAID that a Dem candidate could not ask a question via youtube. And then CNN after choosing those few questions from 5000 they received, invited the people to come. Hillary did not PLANT this guy inside this debate. CNN did not have to choose his question, nor invite him there.

You think that when they were collecting the Dem ones, there weren't PLENTY of Repug ones sent in, including from their candidates campaigns, and from probably Rove himself trying to Get them?

It was fitting that Huckabee be asked what Jesus thinks because, in the past, the former Baptist minister has asserted an ability to talk directly to God.

S C A R Y F R E A K I E F U N D I E S ! ! !

Posted by DawnTheOriginaL on November 29, 2007 at 02:38 PM
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I agree Huckabee is too scary to be elected President, no less a Republican Candidate.

Dang! HuffPo no longer has that cool search button to look up peoples' political donations.

I'm kind of wondering how much this right wing tool donated, and to which Pug.

Wheel. Of. Stoooopid.

Posted by marymac_memphis on November 29, 2007 at 04:43 PM

Biden for President, Inc.
P.O. Box 438
Wilmington, DE 19899
(302) 574-2008

Wilmington
1105 N. Market St.
Suite 2000
Wilmington, DE 19801-1233
Phone: 302-573-6345
Fax: 302-573-6351

Milford
24 NW Front St.
Windsor Building, Suite 101
Milford, DE 19963
Phone: (302) 424-8090
Fax: (302) 424-8094

WASHINGTON, D.C. OFFICE
201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: 202-224-5042
Fax: 202-224-0139
TDD: 202-224-5652

try this, doo bee:

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/

http://www.opensecrets.org/

Thanks, Pam.

Patrick Sajak
T.V. PERFORMER
SONY PICTURES T.V.
Updated
Q3/2007
Fred Thompson
$2,300
2008

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

SAJAK, LESLY MRS
SEVERNA PARK,MD 21146

SELF-EMPLOYED/PHOTOGRAPHER

7/26/2007

$2,300

Thompson, Fred

SAJAK, PATRICK L MR
SEVERNA PARK,MD 21146

SONY PICTURES T.V./T.V. PERFORMER

7/26/2007

$2,300

Thompson, Fred

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Looks like his wife also donated.

Not much of a big spender, is he? I couldn't find any other donations for the past few cycles.

Maybe he spent all his money buying vowels.

Doo Bee is this what you are looking for?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Pat_Sajak.php

Bob: Here is the post that I left for you yesterday:
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on November 28, 2007 at 03:14 PM
One American Death in Iraq is too many. If I hear one more re-thug -lican use the word 'only' in connection with violence levels and American Deaths in Iraq, I will scream. We have got to figure out a way to prevent the dubbya and company from starting WW III and then figure out a way to keep anyone else from starting it. This has to be out first priority in electing a new leader. That is why you and I support the person with the most SUCCESSFUL experience in that area, Sen. Joseph Biden (D. DE) - Hi Bob!

Posted by marymac_memphis on November 28, 2007 at 03:44 PM

Also Bob:
Kristen posted a link to this article about the economy:
www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712

Sorry - I do not have the ability to post live links but this is one of the best articles I have ever read about the economy.

Sen. Biden has worked so hard on the Foreign Relations/Military/Crime/Healthcare and other issues but I wish he would start to focus a little more specifically on the unbelieveable inequality in income levels. As he is 'working class' he would be the perfect person to discuss how the Bush Tax Policies have nearly destroyed the middle class and the economy of the country with it. Did you know that he and his wife had to mortgage their home to put their children through college? Amazing!

Posted by PamB on November 29, 2007 at 04:16 PM

NOOOOO Pam! That TP has been recalled by the CDC for causing an oozing rash and scarring on unsuspecting users bums. Apparently, the paper is coated with a fetid, toxic substance and the adams apple scratches unmercifully. Burning of any unused TP is not recommended as it also releases a gas filled odor, akin to a mushroom cloud.

The CDC recommends sending all remaing rolls to Roooody because they are certain from viewing his pinched composure that he has no use for the stuff and therefore no harm will occur. An alternative site is Bill O'Reilly where he will make use of rolls in lieu of his falafel.

Thanks, Kristen, and thanks for the Horsey, too.

Check out that list. Is he donating to multiple campaigns using different addresses? Unless there are several Pat Sajaks working for SONY Pictures, it looks like it.

What a right wing tool! George Allen, Rudy, Freddie, Michael Steele...

ok, I'm confused...why aren't all the Dem candidates on the ballot in Michigan?

Clinton faces unusual opponent in Michigan

If enough backers of the candidates who aren't on the ballot -- Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, and Delaware Sen. Joe Biden -- mark "Uncommitted" when they vote January 15, it could take some of the luster off what's otherwise a certain Clinton victory.

"We will see if over the next two or three weeks the people who aren't on the ballot ... urge everyone to vote 'uncommitted.' I think that's an intriguing prospect," said Democratic activist Bob Alexander of East Lansing, Michigan. "It would get a lot of national attention."

Despite last-ditch legislative efforts to put the four missing Democrats back on the ballot, it's now clear Clinton will be up against only Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, and former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on November 29, 2007 at 05:26 PM

Blue - that is too funny!

Obama's Blackness Continues to Be Questioned

Ever wondered just where this thing with the racists/bigots could be rooted from??? Look no further, it's the media. Those are the set of folks that spew out the garbage and trash of bigotry for the world to see and pit ethnic groups against each other while standing back fanning the flames. Or just purposefully blacking any reporting on issues or news that affects black folks especially that which the situation is prejudicial and biased against them. And so goes the Obama blackness issue again. Continuously keeping the question of Obama's blackness pumped and going and always, yes always stating that blacks overall prefer Hillary.

How "black" does the man have to get??? Because of the color of his skin he will always have the potential to get the same put downs, slights, disregards, degradings, mistreatments as any other black man in this country. The media would love to lump us all as one, BUT we are different!!! One black man doesn't conduct or carry himself as another. We are not a cookie cutter race as they would so love to portray us.

So what if his Mama is white!!!! As far as the world is concerned, HE is black and Obama thank God realized that long ago. He knew no matter how deep into the white world he lived and associated, he would always be BLACK and it is obvious that he didn't want a foot in both.

And blacks by proportion favor Hillary??? Is she as much in love with them as her campaign would have us believe because she still has not shown a platform that would give Black America the socioeconomic boost that it desperately needs. Do I expect it from her??? No. Do I expect it from any candidate??? No. Too risky. Candidates cannot have the world and all seeing that they want to help the masses, especially black masses.

To the media: you're bigots with all the racist tendencies tied in.

To Obama: you're a black man, as black you will get. Your "blackness" has always been there. Don't let the media use it to turn whites against you because that's their game.

All in reality

Peace to everyone \/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/27/eveningnews/main3546210.shtml

Posted by PamB on November 29, 2007 at 05:00 PM

You are right of course, it just that right after the question was asked, they ripped into it as a plant of Hillary. I just thought people who are part of the campaign need to tell people before hand. But your right it was an open debate, and the people were chosen by their questions.

PamB and DawnTheOriginaL, I am a bitter man seeing this country I love being destroy by Bush and the Royal Republicans trashing the constitution.
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I'm back out too. The blanket statements of opinion as fact by dlester are a bit much for me.. and the assumptions are RIDICULOUS and NOT much for a spirit of truth or goodness. You are a secretly a pretty hostile poet but thats just MY opinion

damn and I was just feeling pretty good too until the BS started

Posted by DawnTheOriginaL on November 29, 2007 at 04:37 PM
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Thanks DawnTheOriginaL for being honest with me. My personal opinions are just that, personal they are truthful to me and I do not claim them as facts.

If what I say is ridiculous then tell me, is it ridiculous, I want freedom of expression show me I am wrong.

"Not much of a spirit of truth or goodness" that is very judgmental. Shall I take a lie detector test on truth? Can I say that my heart is full of goodness that if I had money, I would help the kids in Public schools in trying to get them get ahead by opening up their minds.

DawnTheOriginaL I am hostile but when I do make love to poetry it seems to work.

Can I touch you? (Partial)

Can I touch you in those special places?
That gets you so high, so aroused, so excited,
Carousingly caressing tender sensual needs,
As you vibrate in me that special note of love.

Can I touch you so soft you cry in happiness?
That you whimper in cooing loving satisfaction
Chilling your soul on scrumptious hot flashes
That takes you higher, higher wanting much more.
=========
Can I touch you? Can I hold you? Can I want you?
Can I marry you over, over again in a honeymoon?
Can I touch you forever in that vow of intoxication?
Can we touch each other forever in a committed relationship?
Where even as grandparents, we can create earthquakes
That make children blush, hearing “Mom, Dad! Act your age!”

I rather be in a Bill Clinton world making love than a George W Bush making one bitter.

Anyway this bitter man got kicked out the library, closing time.

Hagel: Bush administration is 'incompetent' and he would consider joining a Dem ticket

"This is one of the most arrogant, incompetent administrations I've ever seen personally or ever read about," the always blunt and frequently quotable Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said yesterday during an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

"This administration in my opinion has been as unprepared as any administration I'm aware of," Hagel added, "not only the ones that I have been somehow connected to and that's been every administration -- either I've been in Washington or worked within an administration or Congress or some way dealing with them since the first Nixon administration. I would rate this one the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus -- almost every area, I would give it the lowest grade. ...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/11/hagel-bush-admi.html

Posted by PamB on November 29, 2007 at 06:03 PM

Now I suppose we'll give him a prime time slot at the convention like the GOP did with former Sen. Zell Miller (DINO-GA). Oh well, I've always heard turnabout is fair play.

Giuliani's Mistress Used N.Y. Police as Taxi Service
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