Morning Dems ! Thank you as usual, Michael !

Dawn, if history is any indicator, expect the trolls to get nastier and more in numbers, as they see the writing on the wall showing the Dems are winning!

I posted this on previous thread, but it is worth another post. When even their leaders are backing out,(those not indicted for corruption as yet), they are in big trouble.

"Sen. Trent Lott's retirement, like that of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, is an acknowledgment by an iconic GOP warrior that there's little power or fun being in the minority — and that Republicans should get used to it.

Talk of burnout by Congress' merriest power-slinger reflects the GOP's grim reality: The public is in no mood to return Republicans to the congressional majority any time soon.

Lott's is the 23rd Senate seat Republicans will be defending in November, nearly twice the 12 seats Democrats will fight to keep. The chamber is split, 49-49 with two independents who typically vote with Democrats.

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-caucus1127.artnov27,0,3693224.story

Sometimes the TRUTH hurts!

DEMS IN 08!! GET USED TO IT REPUKES!

oops posted at the bottom of the last thread so I'll repost.

Nevada Pimp Endorses Paul

There is a house around the corner on the main drag from me, which has about 8 LARGE Ron Paul signs. Several Up in their trees so they are seen from down the road. Interesting to note, the house is the grungiest on the street, leaves still not raked, looks like sheets not curtains across windows, house needs painting.

Are these the type of people backing Paul ? Obviously don't know a thing about him other than he says he will cut taxes !

Munching at my computer today. (I could get in trouble)

oh wait, I'm the boss (of me) so I'll give an exception today.

(chuckle)

Lighten UP Peeps - say GOODBYE Ruby Tuesday!

I'm all for churches spending their money to help local communities but at what point do they need to relinquish their tax exempt status?

Megachurches Add Local Economy to Their Mission

These enterprises, whose sponsoring churches benefit from a variety of tax breaks and regulatory exemptions given to religious organizations in this country, sometimes provoke complaints from for-profit businesses with which they compete — as ChangePoint’s new sports center has in Anchorage.

Mixed-use projects, like shopping centers that also include church buildings, can make it difficult to determine what constitutes tax-exempt ministry work, which is granted exemptions from property and unemployment taxes, and what is taxable commerce.

And when these ventures succeed — when local amenities like shops, sports centers, theaters and clinics are all provided in church-run settings and employ mostly church members — people of other faiths may feel shut out of a significant part of a town’s life, some religion scholars said.

Posted by PamB on November 27, 2007 at 10:00 AM

On Saturday we drove past a guy putting up Paul signs all over town, mostly on public lands (over passes and freeway offramps).

mostly on public lands (over passes and freeway offramps).

Posted by Kristen on November 27, 2007 at 10:14 AM

Which is interesting when you consider Libertarians dislike/disgust for having to pay for these public spaces but of course never pass up the opportunity to enjoy them.

(now I promise not to comment on my own comments again. ;)

Democrats honor pickets outside "View," debates

By Brooks Boliek Mon Nov 26, 6:04 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Hollywood Reporter) - The writers strike is threatening to put on ice the December 10 Democratic presidential debate hosted by CBS News as the party's front-runners say that they won't cross a picket line.

Posted by Kristen on November 27, 2007 at 10:17 AM

PAha!

Which is interesting when you consider Libertarians dislike/disgust for having to pay for these public spaces but of course never pass up the opportunity to enjoy them.

Posted by Kristen on November 27, 2007 at 10:17 AM

I still say the Libertarians should all immigrate to one spot, where they do not pay any taxes, but then have no roads, policemen, firemen, education, outside of what they personally pay for.

I wonder how much of THIS has changed since 2004 when it was first surveyed. It's disturbing regardless.

(CBS) (This poll was conducted November 18-21, 2004.)

Americans do not believe that humans evolved, and the vast majority says that even if they evolved, God guided the process. Just 13 percent say that God was not involved. But most would not substitute the teaching of creationism for the teaching of evolution in public schools.

Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education and among those who attend religious services rarely or not at all.

There are also differences between voters who supported Kerry and those who supported Bush: 47 percent of John Kerry’s voters think God created humans as they are now, compared with 67 percent of Bush voters.

VIEWS ON EVOLUTION/CREATIONISM

God created humans in present form
All Americans
55%
Kerry voters
47%
Bush voters
67%

Humans evolved, God guided the process
All Americans
27%
Kerry voters
28%
Bush voters
22%

Humans evolved, God did not guide process
All Americans
13%
Kerry voters
21%
Bush voters
6%

Overall, about two-thirds of Americans want creationism taught along with evolution. Only 37 percent want evolutionism replaced outright.

More than half of Kerry voters want creationism taught alongside evolution. Bush voters are much more willing to want creationism to replace evolution altogether in a curriculum (just under half favor that), and 71 percent want it at least included.

FAVOR SCHOOLS TEACHING…

Creationism and evolution
All Americans
65%
Kerry voters
56%
Bush voters
71%

Creationism instead of evolution
All Americans
37%
Kerry voters
24%
Bush voters
45%

60 percent of Americans who call themselves Evangelical Christians, however, favor replacing evolution with creationism in schools altogether, as do 50 percent of those who attend religious services every week.

This poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 885 adults interviewed by telephone November 18-21, 2004. There were 795 registered voters. The error due to sampling could be plus or minus three percentage points for results based on all adults and all registered voters.

A Repeat of what they keep saying about Violence being down ! It is too fragile to even count on it!

Eleven Dead in Baghdad Mass Slaying, Showing Fragility of Gains There
By Mohammed al Dulaimy and Leila Fadel
McClatchy Newspapers

Baghdad - Gunmen in Baghdad's Shaab neighborhood stormed into a house not far from an Iraqi police checkpoint and killed 11 members of an Iraqi journalist's family, witnesses and journalism organizations reported Monday.

Iraqi police and U.S. military officials said they had no record of the killings. But family members confirmed that the killings took place on Sunday in a neighborhood controlled by the Mahdi Army militia. The militia is loyal to radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al Sadr.

It was the third mass killing reported in Baghdad since Friday, underscoring the fragility of recent declines in violence. Car bombings on Friday and Sunday killed at least 22 people and injured 96 in the worst such attacks since September.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112707K.shtml

This group was originally formed by Southern Dems, who were tired of New England Liberals winning Candidacy all the time. They decided that the Democratic Party previous focus on Workers and Minorities was a deteriment to the party, and that the Party should back off on offering solutions and policies which benefitted those groups. They wanted to lay off civil rights for blacks, things like minimum wage increases for workers, etc, in order to appeal to a larger group (i.e. Southern and mid-west).They wanted to move to Corporate friendly issues.
They were the original "centrists" if you want to put a name to them.
I hate to say , but Bill Clinton was one of the original members.

Posted by PamB on November 27, 2007 at 08:35 AM

Yes, I have read the book and a few more extensive writings on the DLC.

Bottom line: I truly wish you the best in your efforts to help turn things around, but there is slim chance of it happening. There is a full throttle machine behind this philosophy and they are bound and determined to keep all liberal forces away and out of the party.

The Clintons??? I was disappointed when I found out 3 years ago that they were involved with this mass changeover from the the ground up. It was a like a stab in the back. In one breath they speak of the different crisis/issues that are plaguing black people, but in the same breath they're quoting the DLC mission statement.

Citi sells stake to Abu Dhabi fund

NEW YORK - The Abu Dhabi Investment Authority will invest $7.5 billion in Citigroup, offering the nation's largest bank needed capital to offset big losses from mortgages and other investments.

The cash from the sovereign investment fund of the Gulf Arab state, which has benefited from this year's surge in oil prices, will be convertible into no more than 4.9 percent of Citigroup Inc.'s equity. Citigroup characterized the investment as passive and said the fund will not be able to name any board members to the bank.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071127/ap_on_bi_ge/citigroup_abu_dhabi;_ylt=AtONPxt7jnmFnPi87rstMzis0NUE

Okay let's suppose that the missing money from Blackwater, DynCorp, Halliburton, and other Republican Bush Corporations was diverted to Dubai and then laundered by ex CitiCorp individuals to then come back and buy a stake in CitiCorp here in the U.S.A. (later it could be moved to Dubai.) Then they could control the U.S. economy with carpetbag funds. Of course, this is theoretical, but if proven would be a Pulitzer, in the veins of Watergate. The Hailliburton, Cheney, Bush, Dubai, CitiCorp (former and current officers), Blackwater, Dyncorp, and others the biggest Republican manipulation of history.

I was talking to Bush Republicans in Florida and they see nothing wrong with billions in missing funds. How did we raise this Enron Royal corruption atitude? It is robbing from the poor by Robber Barons who live like Al Capone in untaxed illegal corruption. Washington is a cesspool and Iraq is a Saving and Loan institution were Republicans can go in and use it as a Bush family bank and never repay the corruption.

The Dubai investment needs to be investigated by Congress, and the FBI; but are there any patriot FBI still left in it.

What do you have with a Royal George Republican Presidency? A Enron run goverment where "At Will" they plunder as their Savings and Loan Institution and bankrupt the nation in a war where funds are diverted without accounting and the working class is made to pay for it.

Now I know why they called Nixon's plumbers the Republican Mafia.

How come in all this corruption, Dubai keep coming up? Ports, banks, oil companies, Iraq contracts, and others? It must be Bush Country with Arab and American cowboys.

I am truly disgusted with the news that the Pentagon requires wounded veterans to repay a prorated amount of their enlistment bonus.

What in the world are they thinking?!

I must be more hard nosed than others because I rarely believe someone the 2nd time after they've BOLD FACE lied to me the first time!

A harder thing to do I guess when it's your own GOVERNMENT Doing it to YOU!!! GROWL!

another reason I dislike ALL politicians to "some" degree (some more than others) lol

and the thing that REALLY gets me is that gwdouche has been a proven LIAR since before day ONE of his administration............ yet the sheeple just kept believing the lies and never researching the truth because they were in love with a bluejean wearing retard (sorry Kristen) that reminded them of themselves!!

holy god we are a sad country

Republicans Try Marijuana at Higher Rate Than Democrats
Printer Friendly Version Email this Article Posted in Chronicle Blog by David Guard on Mon, 11/26/2007 - 4:07pm
It’ll come as a surprise to most, but Republicans try marijuana at a higher rate than Democrats. A Gallup poll found that 33% of Republicans have tried America’s favorite (and safest) illicit drug while a slightly lower 31% of Democrats have inhaled the celebrated herb.

Thinking back, I remember when it was learned that House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman and other Republicans had enjoyed marijuana in their pasts, and I recall the 2002 Republican congressional page scandal in which eleven pot smoker pages sponsored by Republican House members were dismissed subsequent to the discovery of marijuana in their Capitol Hill dormitory. I guess I should have put two and two together.

Politically speaking, the obvious question is “Why doesn’t this translate into more Republican support for marijuana decriminalization or legalization?” Only 21% of Republicans want the herb legalized while 37% of Democrats do. Do Republicans experience different effects? Do they feel guilty after imbibing?

Maybe we just need more Republicans to bring their views on marijuana laws out of the closet. Take Gary Johnson for instance. The former Republican governor of New Mexico supported the legalization of marijuana in a very public way when he was in office, in fact, he was eager to make it part of his legacy. He also wanted people to understand that he didn’t just “experiment” with the weed: “In running for office during my first term, I offered up the fact that I smoked marijuana. And the media was very quick to say, ‘Oh, so you experimented with marijuana’…No, I smoked marijuana. This is something that I did. I did it along with a lot of other people. But me and my buddies, you know…we enjoyed what we were doing,” said Johnson in 1999.

Of course, there’s another high-profile Republican not shying away from telling people marijuana should be legal -- Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) who has served in Congress for almost 20 years. And, heck, he just recently set the GOP’s one-day fundraising record of $4.3 million. Hmmm, it sure doesn’t seem like his supporters are afraid of his marijuana legalization spiel.

George Shultz, former Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, also wants marijuana legalized. Almost 20 years ago, he coined an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal to tell people “...We need at least to consider and examine forms of controlled legalization of drugs.”

Another of Reagan’s most trusted aides, Lyn Nofziger, who also worked for Nixon and shares responsibility for unleashing the Reagan drug war on America, joined Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) at a 2002 Capitol Hill press conference to support a federal medical marijuana bill and to push President Bush and other Republicans to get onboard. “I've become an advocate of medical marijuana…It is truly compassionate. I sincerely hope the administration can get behind this bill,” he said.

And then there are some of the Republican Party’s luminaries. Highly respected and influential ultra-conservatives like William F. Buckley, Jr. and Milton Friedman have called for marijuana legalization at least since Nixon famously visited Beijing, Hangzhou, and Shanghai in 1972. I suppose the appropriate question is “When will the Republicans decide to take the high road to China on this one?”

Note: It is interesting and important to realize that all of the conservatives whose viewpoints on drug policy were discussed above, save Nofziger, go much further than only wanting marijuana to be legal. In fact, they have either explicitly called for all drugs to be legalized or have strongly alluded to the idea they should be.

Ron Paul on the issue of Medical Marijuana:

http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2007/11/26/ron-paul-on-the-issue-of-medical-marijuana/

Obama LIVE stream on FOREIGN policy happening NOW

this is pretty good - love this modern technology!!

UstreamTV

my 'stab in the back' with the Bill Clinton came 4 years back, when just for fun, another blogger and myself did some side research on various International secretive groups , like Bildeburgs, Bohemian Club, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, the 300 Club, New World Order, numerous others. Who's name is on every single one of these member lists? Bill Clinton.

When one has time, it would behoove everyone to do google searches on these groups, and note the company he keeps in each of these Secret societies.

You know that "American Union" Bush is trying to create desperately before he leaves office?

That is another PNAC plan, to create one monetary system, one central bank, one governing body, one military force, one judicial system, no borders , no Constitution and no Bill of Rights. If you wonder why Bush has not pushed for Border security, and tries to dismantle the Constitution, it is in the effort to lead to the fruitition of the American Union.

Scary stuff going on out there, that is all over the heads of the American people.

Misstep

HIV Vaccine Trials Go Awry—Guinea Pigs Speak Out

In a scheduled peek at the raw data earlier this fall, it became obvious that the vaccine couldn't protect anyone from getting HIV (as expected) nor reduce viral loads in those infected—a surprise big enough to halt the vaccine injections. A deeper look at the data revealed something much worse. People who had been infected with a version of this cold virus before starting the trial seemed to have a higher risk of getting HIV than those who had not been vaccinated—a shock to everyone involved.

speaking of the Bush man, anybody listening to CNN and this morning as Bush tried to take credit for agreement with Israel and Palestine?

Word out is, that after SEVEN years of 'disinterested detachment', it is ludicrous he is thinking it is any of his doing !!!

Posted by PamB on November 27, 2007 at 11:46 AM

yea but Pammy EVERrrrrrrrrrry one wants Bill in their club! Are you kidding??? lol

This Obama guy is really something else.

Yep, I can see why he's gaining speed. Good for him. I just hope he is not as against my Gay friends as he appears to have been by hiring that antigay preacher? What happened with that? Did he let him go finally? I hope?

I do like Obama.

Car bomb kills at least 2 Afghanistan civilians
A suicide car bomber triggered a huge blast Tuesday near two armoured vehicles used by U.S.-led coalition troops in Kabul, killing at least two civilians and destroying the wall of a nearby house, witnesses and officials said.
Full Story:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/11/27/afghanistan.html

US fire kills Iraq bus passengers
Up to four Iraqi civilians are reported to have died in Baghdad when US troops fired at a minibus taking them to work. Iraq police and medics said three women and a man had died; the military said it knew of two dead and two wounded. Police sources said the bus was carrying Finance Ministry employees to work.
Full Story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7114468.stm

yes Mark, caught the news. It's not 'new' news that Islamic law takes these insults very seriously. As a teacher going into the region one would expect she had studied the culture a bit more and would have understood that naming the teddy bear 'Mohammed' would cause insult much like naming a toy 'God' would do in many places here in the states.

I don't agree with the situation but I do believe it is the responsibility of everyone travelling to a new culture to respect the rules of that society.

I haven't noticed you speaking out regarding Saudi's treatment of the rape victim, much like most Republicans have left that untouched since they are our 'friends'.

DR. SUSAN LYNCH ENDORSES HILLARY

Dr. Susan Lynch, a pediatrician and First Lady of New Hampshire, endorsed Hillary today:
''As a mother and as a pediatrician, I share Hillary Clinton's commitment to fighting for children and families. We face big challenges, and I believe Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to deliver the changes we need."
Lynch, who works at Concord Hospital in New Hampshire, said Hillary's commitment to children and families makes her the best choice for the country. She will serve as a national co-chairwoman of the campaign.

HELPING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES AFFECTED BY AUTISM

Continuing her leadership to help children and families affected by autism, Hillary unveiled a plan in Sioux City, Iowa, to increase research funding and support services for families caring for an autistic loved one.
"It's time we had a government and a president who recognized the seriousness of autism and addressed it head-on. ... Together we can help all of those living with autism to live up to their potential," Hillary said.
Hillary has long been a strong advocate for individuals and families impacted by autism. In the Senate, she cosponsored the Combating Autism Act and introduced the Expanding the Promise for Individuals with Autism Act, in order to ensure that Americans living with autism could have access as quickly as possible to evidence-based treatments, interventions, and services.

James E. Williams, Jr., President and CEO, Easter Seals, said:
"Senator Clinton's proposal is a comprehensive plan that will help children and adults living with autism and their families today and in the future. It's not enough to support research aimed at finding the cause and cure for autism spectrum disorders. We must also increase the availability of services to help meet the needs of people with autism today."
As president, Hillary Clinton will provide approximately $700 million a year to address autism through the following initiatives:
Expanding research to identify causes of autism and monitoring its impact across the country.
Creating an Autism Task Force charged with investigating evidence-based treatments, interventions, and services.
Providing planning and demonstration grants for services for adults.
Improving access to post-diagnosis care.
Providing teacher training.
Creating a National Technical Assistance Center.
Guaranteeing quality, affordable health care.
For Hillary's full plan, click on link below

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4342

FULL PAYMENT FOR WOUNDED SOLDIERS

Following reports of wounded combat veterans forced to repay thousands of dollars in signing bonuses to the Army because they could not complete their tour of duty, Hillary sent a letter to Secretary of the Army Pete Geren, strongly urging a reversal of policy:
"This policy is outrageous and should be reversed immediately. Soldiers who have enlisted in the Army have made a commitment to serve our nation. With our nation at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, we should honor those who make that commitment. By agreeing to serve and then suffering wounds during their service, these soldiers have earned their bonuses. To ask soldiers who are being medically discharged to return their bonuses dishonors their service and undermines the Army's stated commitment to soldiers and their families."
The Pentagon has now said that calling for repayment is not official policy. To be sure this does not happen again, Hillary announced that she will introduce legislation that requires the military services to continue to pay certain bonuses to a member of the Armed Forces who is medically retired or separated due to a combat-related injury.

PROTECTING AMERICAN FAMILIES FROM UNSAFE IMPORTS

As the news spreads about dangerous imports and product recall -- too often after the products have been sold and used -- Hillary outlined her action agenda to protect American consumers.

As president, Hillary will build a new import safety net, including creating a single food safety agency responsible for overseeing all federal food safety activities and appointing a Chair of the CSPC whose first priority is protecting the public -- not the industry.

SUPPORT FROM WORKING WOMEN, AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS

As Hillary campaigns across the country, her support continues to grow. Press articles in the last week pointed out her strong support among working women:

The Boston Globe wrote:
Blue-collar women see hope in Clinton
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/24/blue_collar_women_see_hope_in_clinton

"Hillary Clinton's campaign is capitalizing on an overlooked strain of feminism in blue-collar women -- nurse's aides, factory workers, farmers, and single mothers -- to help fuel her strength among the Democratic candidates for president.

"Even many working-class women who have spent their lives in traditional roles at home and work have been animated by Clinton's effort to shatter what she has called 'the highest, hardest glass ceiling.' "
And Hillary is the leading candidate in a new poll of small-business owners!

Bloomberg News reported:
"Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has a base of support among small-business leaders who normally lean toward Republicans, according to a survey conducted by Inc. magazine and a market research company.

"MarketTools Inc.'s Zoomerang online survey about the 2008 presidential candidates drew more than 1,000 responses.

"Of those, 22 percent said they prefer Ms. Clinton over other candidates in either party. Republican Rudy Giuliani, a former New York mayor, was second, with 17 percent.

"The survey suggests a change in attitudes toward health care, a leading issue for Ms. Clinton, 60."

WHAT'S NEXT
Host a Debate Watch House Party on December 10. Please visit
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/20071210%5Fnathouseparties
to start planning your party today! to start planning your party today!

Register for the Winter Summit: Join Hillary at the last national fundraising event of the year in New York at the Winter Summit on December 13. Supporters from all over the country will gather for this historic event! For more information go to https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/events/newyork1213.html
or email wintersummit@hillaryclinton.com
Space is limited!

Mark your calendars! Here's the latest line-up of the early state contests:

Iowa Caucuses: January 3
New Hampshire Primary: January 8
Nevada Caucuses: January 19
South Carolina Primary: January 29.

YOU can make a difference by contacting any friends, family, colleagues, or old acquaintances who live in the early states. Sign up for a state council at http://www.hillaryclinton.com/coalitions/womenforhillary
and pick up the phone, reconnect, and tell your networks why YOU support Hillary Clinton!

QUOTE OF THE WEEK

"In 1995, I went to Beijing and said, 'It is time for us to say here in Beijing, and for the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights.' We have made some progress since then. But we have not made enough. The latest example is the punishment of 200 lashes that a Saudi Arabian court has given to a victim - the victim - of a gang rape. This is an outrage."
--Hillary Clinton 11/21/07

Florida may lease toll roads and bridges to private investors. That means tolls could be raised, and without oversight maintenance would be lacking. Can you say Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Alligator Alley?

Florida may privatize roads and bridges.

Jeb wanted to empty all the government buildings, and I imagine he did a good job. All is not known yet. We had hoped Crist would not follow his footsteps.

Hard to judge the mistreatment of woman across the world when our own society is far from perfect on the issue.

Woman Jailed On Immigration Charge Can't Give Breast Milk To Son

Supposedly ICE had already been told not to do this.

The case of the U.S. versus nursing mothers

Agents searching a house in Ohio recently found a Honduran woman nursing her baby. With great efficiency, they quickly separated the mother from the infant, sending one to jail and handing the other to the care of social workers, then a relative. It was bad enough that the child was not yet in the weaning process and would need now to be bottle-fed abruptly, but also for about three days no one seemed to understand that the mother's breasts were painfully swollen with milk and that she would require relief. Finally, someone brought her a breast pump. The baby didn't eat for three days until the relative could get her to accept a bottle.

Aside from the example of horrendous judgment in the matter, there is a serious quandary it poses -- one that is becoming more and more difficult to solve. The child is an American citizen and, as such, outside the jurisdiction of ICE. But even if it is true, as some cynics suggest, that young illegal-immigrant mothers are using their American-born as a scam to avoid deportation, is it morally correct to remove the child from its mother? This is, after all, America, where we are so proud of our fairness and compassion that we are constantly bragging and preaching to the rest of the world about it.

The woman in question was released 11 days after her arrest on order of immigration chief Julie Myers, who then issued a memorandum to field operatives telling them to release nursing mothers from detention if they pose no threat to security. But it took far too long to accomplish what should have been obvious from the start; there can be little justification in separating an infant or even toddlers from a parent because the children are citizens and the mother and father aren't. The Honduran woman had two other children, including a 3-year-old, also born in this country.

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g'morning, everyone...it's a beautiful day here in central miss. after several days of clouds, rain, and cold the sun is finally coming out, the temps are climbing, and work needs doing. but first i want to get something off my chest and i hope not to upset too many of you.

ok, i'm sick-to-death of people being pigeon-holed and catagorized into this group or that. and i'm equally sick-to-death of people accepting their label and even in some cases wearing it like some kind of badge of honor. that different people have different sorts of problems is problematic. but we all have problems associated with simply being human. those problems, i content are the ones most in need of solutions if the others are to be dealt with effectively. i'm sure everyone here can fill in the blanks to list which problems might be more or less associated with certain groups, but does everyone in america have access to descent education? does everyone in america have a descent roof over his or her head? do all of our children go to bed at night well feed, warm, and loved? do we all have descent and secure jobs that allow us to provide for ourselves and our families? are all of us given the medical treatment we require when it's needed? food, shelter, warmth, education, medical care, jobs, all of these are basic human needs and as such should, if for no other reason than we are all part of the same big picture, be not only avaiable but a right. we all live in the same country and our national laws should reflect as much. one state or region should not be allowed to put purdens or restrictions on basic human needs. if i could be granted a single wish, i'd wish our democratic party to address the unequal distribution of each individual's access to basic human needs every where in america.

ok, sorry to go on...now i have to take care some chores.

Good morning, all.

Posted by PamB on November 27, 2007 at 11:48 AM

Pam,

Was Hammas at this photo op event? Without them involved in discussions there is no chance of any any progress being made.

It's just like Bush and his minions to demonstrate their complete lack of understanding of the true problem. By not inviting those that could stop the violence, the people of the Middle East (as well as the rest of the world) know this is just another publicity stunt.

I know that doesn't matter to Republicans who seem to thrive on lies and constant war, but it doesn't help the innocent victims in Israel and Palestine.

We need more discussions among those who hold the true power not all these lame ducks.

Posted by Kristen on November 27, 2007 at 12:05 PM

I suspect that there are many fundamentalist Christians and John Gibson and Bill O'Reilly that would just love to reproduce this punishment on those that say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. When a government mixes religion with government this is what you end up with.

hello and goodbye Boilerman - as I am on my way out!

I've got loads to do and this has grown dull. Trolls, yawn.

bbl
Peace

Good afternoon, ALL!

Chris Dodd will be on the Ed Schultz Show today. If you can't get it in your market, just click on the "Listen Live" button in the LEFT margin HERE.

http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2006/05/tennessee_law_e.html

Media Suppressed Tennessee Law Enforcement Human Rights (Torture,.) Abuse
One of the most important domestic stories the national media suppressed.

PASS THIS TO YOUR LOCAL MEDIA STATIONS

http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/9797.php

When Tennessee law enforcement officials showed up at the home of Lester Siler, who they suspected of drug use, they asked Lester's wife and son to leave.

They didn't know that Lester's wife had turned on a tape recorder in the kitchen. When Lester exercised his constitutional right not to sign a consent to search his house, these officers spent the next two hours torturing him.

They beat him with bats and guns, held loaded guns to his head, threatened to shoot him, dunked his head in the toilet, burned him with lighters, attached his testicles to a battery charger, threatened to cut off his fingers, and threatened to "go get" his wife and take his child away from him.

Then they arrested him for "evading arrest".

It wasn't until the wife's recording made it to the FBI that all hell broke loose. And go figure, even though these officers have been convicted in federal court, not one national media outlet gave this story the coverage it deserved.

But that's okay. At the time, reporters were busy decrying the immorality of Janet Jackson's Superbowl nipple! These are the same "journalists" who refused to cover the United States Government's secretive medical marijuana program.

I'm warning you now, this is the most disturbing recording I've ever heard in my life. But people need to know about this. Our war on drugs is a failure, and the national media is following a code of silence on related humans rights abuses.

Good afternoon, ALL!

Chris Dodd will be on the Ed Schultz Show today. If you can't get it in your market, just click on the "Listen Live" button in the LEFT margin HERE.

I guess that girl was guilty of being ill-informed of her own countries customs as well.

Posted by Mark-Lof on November 27, 2007 at 12:31 PM

I guess the same could be said of those doctors who where shot and killed by religious nuts in our country for daring to offer legal abortons? Which fundamentalists and society would you say are the most barbaric?

Posted by gro4me on November 27, 2007 at 12:40 PM

Sounds like these officers were trained in the military at Abu Graibe. Another lingering problem resulting from this unnecessary invasion and occupation?

Posted by SandyH on November 27, 2007 at 12:44 PM

It is a bit different to compare the rape case and the teddy bear case, although both are barbaric, especially compared to our societal norms. In the Teddy Bear case, the teacher was not raised in that culture and is not Islamic.

I can't get over the things this person wrote on Oprah's message board about Obama. It's not very nice and goes a bit too far.

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/5461

would cause insult much like naming a toy 'God' would do in many places here in the states.
Posted by Mark-Lof on November

how bout waterboarded for no reason?

Huh, strike this up in the 'who knew' catagory.

From the seventeenth century onwards, blasphemy increasingly became a secular crime in England and that tradition was also followed in the United States. The state began to supplant the church as the agency mainly responsible for instigating and conducting prosecutions. The connection between religious dissent and political subversion and the belief that a nation’s religious unity augmented its peace and strength accounted in part for the rising dominance of the state in policing serious crimes against religion. But in the post Enlightenment age, blasphemy prosecutions began to decline.

There have been no prosecutions in the United States since 1969, and the last successful blasphemy prosecution in England was in 1977. There has been no prosecution in the state of Massachusetts in the United States since the 1920s, but in 1977, the State legislature refused to repeal its three hundred year old act against blasphemy. In general, in the Anglo-American world, the conditions of modernity have made the legal prosecutions against blasphemy not only rare but also obsolete. People seem to have learned that Christianity is capable of surviving without penal sanctions and that God can avenge its own honour. The sentiments against blasphemy in the religious segments of the populations, however, continue to persist.[9]

http://epress.anu.edu.au/nts/mobile_devices/ch11.html

shhhh, don't tell the creatonists, but there have been fossils found from 290 Million years ago--pre-those dinosaurs that Adam and Eve road around on!

"A fossilized shark that swallowed a crocodile-like amphibian that, in turn, had gobbled up a fish has now been unearthed.

By accident, Kriwet and his colleagues discovered the new shark fossil in a museum collection. These exceptionally preserved remains are roughly 290 million years old, pre-dating the emergence of the dinosaurs.

The freshwater shark, some 20 inches (50 centimeter) long, dates back to the late Permian period, when the Saar-Nahe Basin in southwest Germany was peppered with short-lived lakes. In the shark's gut were two young amphibians known as temnospondyls, each roughly 8 inches to 10 inches (20 to 25 centimeters) large.

This exceptional find marks the first time scientists have found direct evidence of such a complex, extinct food chain.

In the past, researchers had uncovered evidence of what past species ate based on the fossilized contents of their guts or droppings. For instance, fossilized dung, or "coprolites," have revealed some dinosaurs ate grass

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20071127/sc_livescience/thereoncewasasharkthatateanamphibianthatateafish

Posted by DemocratKickingAss on November 27, 2007 at 12:55 PM

I have received that email long time ago. It is full of the regular hatefilled xenophobic biased crap that the conservatives are best known for.

I like how it starts out..."I don't know if he's a radical muslim, but..." Well, idiot poster (not you DKA), I don't know if you are either, but to randomly speculate is childish, selfserving, unchristian, immoral and completely boorish.

I know that doesn't matter to Republicans who seem to thrive on lies and constant war, but it doesn't help the innocent victims in Israel and Palestine.
We need more discussions among those who hold the true power not all these lame ducks.

Posted by SandyH on November 27, 2007 at 12:36 PM

I think the fact that Bush name was being bandied about as "disinterested Detachment" for 7 years, proves the country and world know exactly this is nothing more than a lame attempt to try and do something about his Legacy, which will show him as the Worst President in the History of the USA.

Nice try Bushie, but you are 7 years too late.

There would BE no Middle East wars or problems, if Israel and Palestine would find a way to live in Peace with each other. The other countries like Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia, etc would accept israel as another neighbor .

Oh, I bet there's a much more substantial reason.

Posted by Mark-Lof on November 27, 2007 at 01:15 PM

Oh yes, because the Bush administration has just been so honest and open we must give them all benefit of the doubt.

Oh yes, because the Bush administration has just been so honest and open we must give them all benefit of the doubt. Posted by Kristen on November 27, 2007 at 01:23 PM

And when even McCain, the only one who understands Torture by any means, (and agrees that waterboarding is torture) Says they are all useless for gaining information, well perhaps the Chicken Hawks, both IN office and NOT IN office should listen up !

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No reason? Just for the fun of it? Is that what you say we are doing? Just for shits and giggles?
Oh, I bet there's a much more substantial reason.
Posted by Mark-Lof on November 27, 2007

what i am saying is our country WAS based on the principals set forth in the constitution. innnocent til proven guilty, right to trial.... the list goes on. i signed up in the military to fight the people who had secret political internment camps, torture... while you devalue the person because of his skin color or religion, i feel he still has the right to be proven guilty. we are holding people for years because "they could be this orr that". if we have the evidence to keep them for years, lets try them and give them jail terms. as for torture, it has been proven to not work period. people make things up to stop you from torturing them. because the administration says it does and they have proof but they can't show us the proof cause it would be aiding the enemy. if the "enemy" knows we have joe blow" and we stopped a real attack, they know the info came from joe, so why the secrecy?
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/rendition/32108prs20071009.html

Oh, I bet there's a much more substantial reason.
Posted by Mark-Lof on November 27, 2007 at 01:15 PM
would you be willing to trade spots with one of them if one even one is proven innocent?

Khaled El-Masri, an innocent German citizen who was kidnapped, detained, and tortured in a secret overseas prison, had sued former CIA Director George Tenet and others, seeking compensation and an apology for his ordeal.

U.S. withdraws subpoena seeking Amazon customer identities

MADISON, Wis. -- Federal prosecutors have withdrawn a subpoena that asked online retailer Amazon.com Inc. to identify thousands of buyers of used books, newly unsealed court records show.

The withdrawal came after a judge ruled the customers have a First Amendment right to keep their reading habits from the government.

"The chilling effect on expressive e-commerce would frost keyboards across America" when news of the subpoena spread, U.S. Magistrate Judge Stephen Crocker wrote in a June ruling. "Well-founded or not, rumors of an Orwellian federal criminal investigation into the reading habits of Amazon's customers could frighten countless potential customers into canceling planned online book purchases."

MADISON, Wis. -- Federal prosecutors have withdrawn a subpoena that asked online retailer Amazon.com Inc. to identify thousands of buyers of used books, newly unsealed court records show.
Posted by Kristen on November 27, 2007

now why would they want this information? unless they could track people buying "jihad terrorism for dummies" then it might be a good idea

Posted by BlueinIdaho on November 27, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Blue,

Point taken.

Today on the presidential campaign trail

Oh, Biden, wait until a Real Diplomat and CIC is in office, i.e. a Democratic President !

Biden calls on Bush to go to Israel
By Ian Swanson| Posted: 11/27/07 10:38 a.m. [ET]
November 27, 2007
Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) has called on President Bush to visit Israel and the Palestinian territories as a way to provide the sustained leadership necessary to make progress toward a Middle East peace settlement.

Biden, a long-shot Democratic presidential candidate who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made the comments in a statement released on the eve of a Middle East peace conference that began Tuesday in Annapolis.

“It is not enough to hold a conference or give a speech and then drop the issue for months on end,” Biden said. “The peace process requires day-in, day-out engagement, starting with the president.”


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/biden-calls-on-bush-to-go-to-israel-2007-11-27.html

Have a great afternoon folks...it's time to head out for preschool gym.

There in lies the problem Pam. The Arab countries don't want peace. They are a warring people at heart. They need an enemy and Israel is convenient.

This a problem that has existed 7 years ago and 7 +8 years ago.

Posted by Mark-Lof on November 27, 2007 at 02:19 PM
S it seems this administration can be added to the list of warring people!

Good afternoon fellow Democrats.

ya pam your right, marl-loaf is a pug troll.

anyone who still supports this administration and supports torture is a die hard neocon.

Giuliani, the Republican presidential front-runner, last month pledged to “get rid of” so-called earmarks, which cost taxpayers about $13 billion this year, saying his party should promote “fiscal discipline.” Just weeks later, Bracewell & Giuliani LLP won $3 million worth of projects for its clients in defense-spending legislation. […]

In all, Bracewell & Giuliani sought federal earmarks for 14 companies this year, 11 of which hired the firm after Giuliani joined in March 2005, Senate records show. Giuliani, 63, isn’t registered as a lobbyist. The firm paid him $1.2 million last year, according to his personal financial-disclosure form.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a7QPs_E4vKiA&refer=politics

Romney. The Presidential Candidate for All, er, most Americans....:

“…based on the numbers of American Muslims [as a percentage] in our population, I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified. But of course, I would imagine that Muslims could serve at lower levels of my administration.” - Flip Romney, 2007.

He Definetly is a Republican troll, peaceman.

However, I do not agree with this:

There in lies the problem Pam. The Arab countries don't want peace. They are a warring people at heart. They need an enemy and Israel is convenient.

Posted by peaceman on November 27, 2007 at 02:33 PM

I do not believe ANY people are natural warring people. Prior to Israel being given part of the land they thought of as their own (who they hell wants all that rock land, anyways), and then Israeli aggression trying to take even more, I do not think Palestine fought with anyone.

don't waste your time, peaceman. He is one of those trolls, who likes to think his bullshit line is 'debate', when all it is is from The Idiot's Guide to Republican Party.

Simple minded, gullible, naive, easily swayed.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on November 27, 2007 at 02:51 PM
Didn't you get the memo? "Fiscal Discipline" is Repub. Speak for deny any spending that democrats or independants propose but automatically aprove anything and everything with a Republican Tag on it :-o

If one choses to attack our soldiers, not part of any country's organized army, just sniping at our boys and setting up booby traps... well, they get what they deserve.
A bullet through the brains.
Posted by Mark-Lof on November 27, 2007

these aren't members of an organized army as stated by the administration or they would be afforded geneva convention rights and no one wants that. pay attention to what is going on. all these guys are "suspected" terrorists. there are laws against terrorism which terorists can be prosecuted under and even sentenced to death. i say you would love that, a bullet to their heads. we were still the people who didn't have the secret torture camps and prisoners with no names. though you spew the fox terms, you don't answer the question. would you trade places with any of them if one was proven to be innocent or would you still place the bullet in their head?

based on the numbers of American Muslims [as a percentage] in our population, I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified. But of course, I would imagine that Muslims could serve at lower levels of my administration.” - Flip Romney, 2007.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on November 27, 2007

i thought mitt was talking about mormons??

Anybody still believe Bush's crapola about a "Strong Economy" ? This will be his second one since he took office !! You can't trust Republicans with the Economy!!

Signs Are Pointing South on Wall St.
Credit Woes Foster Bets on Bad Times

By Neil Irwin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 27, 2007; A01

Wall Street is betting on a recession.
Investors in stocks and bonds are paying prices that indicate they believe a snowballing housing crisis and worsening credit crunch will soon tip the U.S. economy into a recession, analysts said. Many economists, including leaders of the Federal Reserve, don't think things will get that bad, but some say the risk of a serious downturn has risen in recent weeks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/26/AR2007112602206_pf.html

pam,i agree, i dont think people are born warring people,this is about religous and cultural differences and the inability of people to be tolerant of each other.

I just put on Microsoft messenger and it announces an email by the time I get there to check the email it has been deleted. It seems I have Red Chinese filtered email. It is a nice way to control America by Chinese means. It was from authorsden where I have been deleting my 2050 poems, cannot afford the yearly fee was putting them on email. I guess they will not get through. Oh well, so much for Freedom and Democracy.

Check out this chart of "Chimpy's kiss of death".

It looks like almost ALL of the coalition of the shilling have had their asses handed to them for blindly following that putz over the cliff. What did Poland get, something like a bunch of bombers and a boxcar full of US Dollars, which are now pretty much worthless as compared to the Euro?

Is Poland going to have to pay that back like the wounded Soldiers are being forced to do for PURPOSELY getting wounded in the Little Prince's Glorious War?

REPORT: Coalition Of The Defeated

Posted by jimmyc451 on November 27, 2007 at 03:30 PM

LOL! ^5

Romney either needs to get a smaller foot or a bigger mouth.

these aren't members of an organized army as stated by the administration or they would be afforded geneva convention rights and no one wants that. pay attention to what is going on. all these guys are "suspected" terrorists. there are laws against terrorism which terorists can be prosecuted under and even sentenced to death.

jimmy,

You are right. These guys shuffled off to Guantanamo are NOT known terrorists ! Just another opportunity for Bush to look like he is doing something by rounding up people from the streets, saying they are 'suspected' terrorists and herding them to prison where they get no Attorney nor trial to say yes or no if they are.

If they are found guilty, then throw the book at them. If they are not, return them home.

WHY the Republicans prefer to believe all those people thrown not only in Guantanamo, but all those other secret prisons are Terrorists, and don't deserve a trial, Well, shows just how brain washed humans can be by a Cult of Republican leaders !

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I just thought of 2 questions I'd like to see asked at tomorrow night's Pug lie fest.

FOR ALL CANDIDATES:

1) Which of your opponents do you think is most likely to continue the policies and practices of the Chimp?

2) Are you willing to continue the policies and practices of the Chimp, yes or no?

(heh heh, They refuse to mention that asswipe by name, well FORCE them to, and see how fast they either run away from him and embarrass the Chimp, or run toward him, and lose 70% of the vote and have to rely on the 'stupid 30'.)

I think I'll e-mail this to Anderson Cooper.

Why this old man doesn't just go home and sit in his rocker next to his Mother, is beyond me !

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about,” Oscar Wilde once said, and that is the problem the John McCain campaign is now grappling with.

Over the past few days, Mitt Romney has been attacking Rudy Giuliani (and vice versa), and Fred Thompson has been attacking Mike Huckabee (and vice versa), but who has been attacking McCain?

In politics, you don’t draw attacks for only two reasons: You are a saint or you are irrelevant.

According to the RealClearPolitics Poll Averages, McCain is in fourth place nationally, fifth place in Iowa, third place in New Hampshire and fourth place in South Carolina. So he could use some buzz, even if it’s in the form of an attack.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/7045.html

Well, Well, looks like Gregg's first instincts about something funny about Lott resignation might be true after all !!

Right-Wing Magazine: Veco Oil Scandal Contributed To Lott’s Resignation

Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) refuses to say why he is retiring from Congress. Many in the media have reported that Lott likely wants to enter the lucrative world of K Street before “tougher restrictions in a new lobbying law” take effect.

But the right-wing American Spectator magazine speculates that brewing corruption scandals may have contributed to Lott’s decision:

The tin-foil-hat crowd was almost immediately pushing a Jack Abramoff angle to the surprise resignation of Sen. Trent Lott. But a more recent scandal brewing — which has already ensnared Sen. Ted Stevens, among others — may also be playing on Lott’s mind.

Lott, Stevens, as well as Rep. Dennis Hastert all have ties to Bill Allen, a larger than life Alaskan businessman who owned Veco, an oil-field services company, and who was a huge benefactor of Republican politicians.

Allen has pleaded guilty to bribing Alaska legislators, including Ben Stevens, the son of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK). The elder Stevens is currently the target of multiple federal investigation, including one on his ties to Veco

http://thinkprogress.org/

Posted by dlesterpoet on November 27, 2007 at 03:41 PM

check your spam folder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/rove-congress-pushed-bu_b_74039.html

Did anyone else see this!!! Is Rove a POS or What!

Mary , that link did not work, but Yes, Rove is and always has been a POS !

This is getting to be funny!

Sweet on Star Wars: Barbra Streisand endorses Clinton. Clintons' move to grab headlines from Oprah/Obama.
CHICAGO--As the announcement of Oprah Winfrey stumping for White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) continues to dominate political chatter, the campaign of chief rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) rolled out Tuesday the endorsement of megastar Barbra Streisand.

Streisand is being used to reclaim the political news cycle---there's been a lot of pondering going on in print and cable over the value of celebrity endorsements in general and Winfrey in particular.

The announcement did not say if Streisand, a longtime Democratic activist who has been close to Bill and Hill for years--would go on the stump for Clinton. Unlike Winfrey, a beloved figure who until now has stayed away from politics in order to not devalue her brand, Streisand is the star Repubublicans love to brand as a left-winger (Most smart people ARE)

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/11/sweet_extra_barbra_streisand_e.html

This is the one Mary is trying to post !! It is a big fat joke. Rove and his lies that is !

"You are not going to believe this, well, actually you will... According to Karl Rove (on Charlie Rose), the Bush Administration did not want Congress to vote on the Iraq War resolution in the fall of 2002, because they thought it should not be done within the context of an election. Rove, you see, did not think the war vote should be "political".

Moreover, according to Rove, that "premature vote" led to many of the problems that cropped up in the Iraq War. Had Congress not pushed, he says, Bush could have spent more time assembling a coalition, and provided more time to the inspectors.

If you are like me, you have stopped reading/listening, and are rushing to get your anti-emetic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/rove-congress-pushed-bu_b_74039.html

Pam: I can't post 'live' links - Sorry. Basically, the story is about the POS Rove's interview with Charlie Rose where he blames the Democratic Congress for 'Pushing Bush' into war. Bush - POS claims - wanted to wait and plan more.

Thanks Pam! I appreciate your help! Talk about 'created reality.' In what universe does he reside?

my 'stab in the back' with the Bill Clinton came 4 years back, when just for fun, another blogger and myself did some side research on various International secretive groups , like Bildeburgs, Bohemian Club, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, the 300 Club, New World Order, numerous others. Who's name is on every single one of these member lists? Bill Clinton.

Scary stuff going on out there, that is all over the heads of the American people.

Posted by PamB on November 27, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Yep, found this info too. Amazing every time one of these groups has one of their annual or whatever meetings, there is Bill in attendance.

Tell you something else, kept saying to myself, hm..........Daddy Bush and Bill are very comfortable with each other. More so than opposing politicians usually are. Also kept getting the feeling that they shared more than just a former Presidency of the United States. Well Daddy Bush also belongs to all of those secret organizations that Bill does!!!

Yeah, some of this info can be scary, BUT if folks would steel themselves up, dig and read some of this research their mouths would just fly open continuously. Like Daddy Bush's deep involvement with the Nazis, the German founders of the Skull & Bones along with his continuous entanglement with the CIA once it was formed.

Some of this mindboggling info tends to be over the heads of the public, but I also feel that when folks read some of this very true fact, it's just too hard and painful to face. To know that your elected officials just view public service as a tool to boost their welfare??? To hard to face for some.

Posted by marymac_memphis on November 27, 2007 at 04:35 PM

mary,

So all those 150,000 troops that Bush sent over to Kiwaiit six months ahead of the invasion were actually on leave? Somehow I don't think of a Muslim country as a prime shore leave destination for combat soldiers looking for a good time.

I suppose Rove can explain Powell's dog and pony show at the UN as a mistake purely on his part? And there really wasn't any reason for Scooter and himself to leak Valerie Plame's cover?

And all those tens of millions of Europeans in the streets protesting the invasion would have changed their minds and begged their leaders to join the Coalition of the Willing if Rove had only had another week or two to spread more lies about the WMD??

It would appear that there was a lot of "pre-emptive" not pre-mature monkey business going on with this unnecessary invasion and it all emulated from Rove and Cheney's office.

What little is left of Rove's Brain is really slipping....making one wonder where that leaves Bush. Half of nothing leaves...? This has to be the most pathetic attempt yet at blaming others for their gigantic global blunder.

I'm betting they will try to blame it all on Hamas and Hezballah next. That should go over real big with the less-than-thrilled Muslim guests at Condi's Annapolis tea party. There's nothing like forcing people to attend a worthless meeting and then insulting their intelligence for coming.

But that's all in a good day's work for Rove.

Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) refuses to say why he is retiring from Congress. Many in the media have reported that Lott likely wants to enter the lucrative world of K Street before “tougher restrictions in a new lobbying law” take effect.

Posted by PamB on November 27, 2007 at 04:33 PM

I don't know if it's common knowledge, but Lott lost his shirt with Katrina. One home was totally destroyed and the other had massive damage and he ended up taking his insurer to Fed court to no avail to. The company made a judgement that the damage to his residence were water related to flooding, hence not covered other than by Flood Insurance. Lott and thousands of others contended that the damge was wind and water and the water was from a tidal surge which it was.

Bottom line: Lott and many others got pennies in compensation for millions in damage.

Sandy,

Rove as usual, is counting on those easily led Americans who will BELIEVE this. Watch the trolls coming in from now on, quoting this Bullshit, that it was all congress' fault.
It just is mind boggling how very very simple some people are !

J:
Some of this mindboggling info tends to be over the heads of the public, but I also feel that when folks read some of this very true fact, it's just too