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We cannot let up one single bit, Dems. We must keep up this fight for the next 313 days ! Do not let your guard down for one second ! (And remember, the Center is NOT the place to be)
"Here's a thought for progressives: Bush isn't the problem. And the next president should not try to be the anti-Bush.
No, I haven't lost my mind. I'm not saying that we should look kindly on the Worst President Ever; we'll all breathe a sigh of relief when he leaves office 405 days, 2 hours, and 46 minutes from now. (Yes, a friend gave me one of those Bush countdown clocks.) Nor am I suggesting that we should forgive and forget; I very much hope that the next president will open the records and let the full story of the Bush era's outrages be told.
But Bush will soon be gone. What progressives should be focused on now is taking on the political movement that brought Bush to power. In short, what we need right now isn't Bush bashing—what we need is partisanship.
And here's the thing: Progressives have an opportunity, because American public opinion has become a lot more liberal.
Not everyone understands that. In fact, the reaction of the news media to the first clear electoral manifestation of America's new liberalism—the Democratic sweep in last year's congressional elections—was almost comical in its denial.
Thus, in 1994, Time celebrated the Republican victory in the midterm elections by putting a herd of charging elephants on its cover. But its response to the Democratic victory of 2006—a victory in which House Democrats achieved a larger majority, both in seats and in the popular vote, than the Republicans ever did in their 12-year reign—was a pair of overlapping red and blue circles, with the headline "The center is the place to be."
Oh, and the guests on Meet the Press the Sunday after the Democratic sweep were, you guessed it, Joe Lieberman and John McCain.
Good talking with you again Pam...I have to get ready for a meeting....I hope you had a good Christmas...I think we are in agreement on most issues....I'll chat with you again another time....have a great day!!
I LOVE this ! "NONE of the above" still the Republican of choice. Betcha there will be lots of Repugs not even showing up this year for Primary nor General, and those that do may pull a Democratic Lever, just to take their party back from the Insanes who have taken it over!
With primaries looming, uncertainty reigns over GOP slate
WASHINGTON (AP) — Dig beneath the surface of the raucous Republican presidential race and you will find even deeper turmoil: Four in 10 GOP voters have switched candidates in the past month alone, and nearly two-thirds say they may change their minds again.
None of the GOP candidates has reason to feel secure, according to an ongoing national survey conducted for The Associated Press and Yahoo! News.
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-picking-a-candidate
...I think we are in agreement on most issues....I'll chat with you again another time....have a great day!!
Posted by goodfoe on December 27, 2007 at 09:08 AM
Oh, we are definetly in agreement on most, JohnBoy. You have a great day too.
I will bbl, also.
Good morning ... oh my, there's going to be major trouble in Pakistan. What you do figure the odds are that Musharraf had her assassinated:
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan — Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide attack that also killed at least 20 others at the end of a campaign rally, aides said.
"The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred," Bhutto's lawyer Babar Awan said.
A party security adviser said Bhutto was shot in neck and chest as she got into her vehicle to leave the rally in Rawalpindi near the capital Islamabad. A gunman then blew himself up.
"At 6:16 p.m. she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital where she was taken after the attack.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071227/pakistan/
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Chimpy has made this area of the world into a
cauldron of violence. Chimpy and Cheney should be impeached now.
Her supporters at the hospital began chanting "Dog, Musharraf, dog," referring to Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf.
Some smashed the glass door at the main entrance of the emergency unit, others burst into tears. One man with a flag of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party tied around his head was beating his chest.
In Washington, the State Department said it was seeking confirmation of Bhutto's condition.
"Certainly, we condemn the attack on this rally," deputy spokesman Tom Casey said. "It demonstrates that there are still those in Pakistan who want to subvert reconciliation and efforts to advance democracy."
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Bullcrap! The murderous Bushitas were probably in on the plot. The Bushitas have no interest in democracy. If they do, get the hell out of Iraq already.
Home price decline sets new record
by Chris in Paris · 12/27/2007 04:19:00 AM ET · Link
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The last time the housing market suffered such a decline was April 1991 during Bush I. A real bunch of economic experts we have in the GOP. If the Democrats have any backbone at all (I know, I know) they will ram this down the throats of the GOP and remind voters of the disastrous economic performances during Republican administrations.
Home prices in the United States fell in October for the 10th consecutive month, declining a record 6.7 percent compared with a year ago, according to the Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller home price index.
“No matter how you look at these data, it is obvious that the current state of the single-family housing market remains grim,” said Robert Shiller, who helped create the index, in a statement Wednesday.
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This is Chimpy's crap economy and trash trickle down policies at work. The obnoxious Chimp even has the gall to suggest there should be more tax cuts ... what the upper 1% still aren't making enough money? Get rid of these conservative GOP Chimps.
I would bet that she was assasinated. And civil war seems possible. A caldron of violence and our leaders did their best to stir it up. Yes, they should be impeached, but I doubt that will happen.
Cheney’s ‘remarkabe’ fourth-branch argument
By: Steve Benen @ 5:28 AM - PST
There was a great scandal over the summer, with a bizarre fight between the White House and the National Archives’ Information Security Oversight Office, a fairly obscure federal office responsible for supervising the handling of classified information. After having complied with the rules in 2001 and 2002, Dick Cheney decided he no longer wanted to cooperate, and exempted himself from ISOO oversight.
When the VP refused to even acknowledge the agency’s requests for information, the ISOO went to the Attorney General’s office, asking if Cheney’s office had the legal authority to exempt itself from the executive branch. Alberto Gonzales not only ignored the questions, Cheney and his team responded by trying to eliminate the Information Security Oversight Office from existence.
J. William Leonard, head of the ISOO for 34 years, is stepping down now, and chatted with Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff about the ordeal. (via Spencer Ackerman)
So how did matters escalate?
The challenge arose last year when the Chicago Tribune was looking at [ISOO’s annual report] and saw the asterisk [reporting that it contained no information from OVP] and decided to follow up. And that’s when the spokesperson from the OVP made public this idea that because they have both legislative and executive functions, that requirement doesn’t apply to them…. They were saying the basic rules didn’t apply to them. I thought that was a rather remarkable position. So I wrote my letter to the Attorney General [asking for a ruling that Cheney’s office had to comply.] Then it was shortly after that there were [email] recommendations [from OVP to a National Security Council task force] to change the executive order that would effectively abolish [my] office.
Who wrote the emails?
It was David Addington.
No explanation was offered?
No. It was strike this, strike that. Anyplace you saw the words, “the director of ISOO” or “ISOO” it was struck.
What was your reaction?
I was disappointed that rather than engage on the substance of an issue, some people would resort to that…
You mean, Dick Cheney would rather destroy a government oversight office than “engage on the substance of an issue”? You don’t say.
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Chimp Cheney should be impeached now.
Good morning, all.
Pam,
This issue needs to be addressed in the campaign in a big way.
Instead of worrying about cheap foreign labor and social security "reform", we need to talk about this new exploitive gimmick which puts sick old people to work...for life...and laying off their grandchildren.
Plan Would Let Seniors Work to Pay Taxes Dec 25 By JIM FITZGERALDGREENBURGH, N.Y. (AP) - Audrey Davison lives alone, gets a $620 Social Security check each month and worries about the sharply rising taxes on her four-bedroom house. Davison, 76, raised her family there and after 43 years, she really doesn't want to leave Greenburgh.
Greenburgh doesn't want her to leave, either.
The town is pushing a program that would let seniors work part-time, for $7 an hour, to help pay off some of their property taxes.
"People shouldn't have to sell their house, move away to a place with less taxes, leave behind their family and friends," said Town Supervisor Paul Feiner.
He envisions retired doctors mentoring schoolchildren, retired accountants helping with the town's finances, retired lawyers offering their services for a discount. But there are plenty of less-skilled jobs that need doing, he said.
"It's not like we're going to see grandma running the snowplow," he said. "There are lots of things people can do for the town and it wouldn't cost us that much to pay them."
The proposal has caused a stir in Greenburgh, a town of 90,000 in Westchester County, which has the nation's third-highest homeowner property taxes. The plan would be unusual if not unique in New York, but similar programs are considered successes in Colorado, Massachusetts, South Carolina and elsewhere.
Davison, who suffers from arthritis and sciatica and needs a walker to get around on her bad days, said she pays about $12,000 a year in property taxes - perhaps $2,000 to the town - and has already taken out a reverse mortgage to pay her bills...
(Bold mine.)
Would "let" seniors work off their taxes? It sounds more like forced labor to me...AND elder abuse and torture. What is this country coming, too? The rich get tax breaks, and this old arthritic woman gets 9 to 5.
So this is the way the GOP plans to keep seniors out of long-care facilities...make them staff them taking care of rich old folks? Unbelievable.
Katrina was the tip of the Republicans' compassionate Christian iceberg.
I would bet that she was assasinated. And civil war seems possible. A caldron of violence and our leaders did their best to stir it up. Yes, they should be impeached, but I doubt that will happen.
Posted by Cate on December 27, 2007 at 09:32 AM
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Cate, the odds are very high that "Mush" planned it. He's a thug from way back. I just get disgusted anytime I hear the Bush Chimps talk about democracy. They don't know the meaning of the word. If we had any sense of democracy, we would have left Iraq years ago. Instead, we just want to dominate and run the country for the benefit of oil companies.
He envisions retired doctors mentoring schoolchildren, retired accountants helping with the town's finances, retired lawyers offering their services for a discount. But there are plenty of less-skilled jobs that need doing, he said.
"It's not like we're going to see grandma running the snowplow," he said. "There are lots of things people can do for the town and it wouldn't cost us that much to pay them."
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Sandy,
What a cruel heartless country we have become. It's getting almost as bad as the days of the Great Depression. We need to put these libertarian conservative SOB's back in the dark holes they emerged from. There is no way in the world that any person over 65 should be forced back to work. How about freezing property taxes for the elderly and raising them on people that can afford them? The elderly no longer use the school system, which is generally 80-90 percent of the property taxes, so why should they pay full taxes? Alot of states already make such adjustments.
Sandy, yeah, compassionate conservatives. What an effing joke.Did you see the ruling about reducing benefits for folks over 65? It was in the NY Times and on Raw story.
Katrina was the tip of the Republicans' compassionate Christian iceberg.
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 09:36 AM
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Sand, it's to call conservatism what it is - crap! Cold-hearted, cruel crap. It's time to put the heartless liberatarian POS's back in the stink holes they emerged from. They have done immense damage to this country. They have to go now.
Sandy, yeah, compassionate conservatives.
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Okay, I vote for us stop using that phrase even as a punch line. Conservatism and compassion do not belong together in the same sentence. Let's call the conservatives what they - money grubbing greedy heartless SOB's.
Blame, blame, blame
DEFEND, DEFEND, DEFEND ! COVER UP, COVER UP, COVER UP ! LOOK THE OTHER WAY! PRETEND THIS IDIOT IN CHIEF IS ALRIGHT ! YOU, MY MISGUIDED, UNINFORMED, GULLIBLE, FOOL, ARE THE F***KING IDIOT !!!
Did you see the ruling about reducing benefits for folks over 65? It was in the NY Times and on Raw story.
Posted by Cate on December 27, 2007 at 09:44 AM
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Cate, I read it and couldn't believe my eyes. It's a clear cut violation of EEO. But with these Bush louses in office, they will go along with it. Of course, bizness is just elated. Now, they can choose to cut off retiree benefits for anyone who is eligible for Medicare. It's just a matter of time before they figure out how to screw over everyone on their pensions (not that there are many pensions left in this country). As I said before, we have devolved almost back to the time before the New Deal. That's how rotten the country has become under conservatism.
Washington State Democrats renew Bush impeachment effort
Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2007-12-27 12:39. Impeachment
By Brad Shannon, Olympian
The prime backer of a state resolution urging Congress to impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney plans to return to the state Capitol in January with a slightly revised proposal.
Click here to find out more!
Meanwhile, a South Sound group calling itself Citizens Movement to Impeach Bush/Cheney is gearing up for an "impeachment party" Friday in Olympia.
State Sen. Eric Oemig, D-Kirkland, said Wednesday he is amending his Senate Joint Memorial 8016 to make its intent clearer.
Democratic Sen. Darlene Fairley, who chairs the Senate committee that will hear the bill, expects to give it a hearing and bring it up for a vote in the legislative session that begins Jan. 14.
Oemig, who got a hearing but nothing more on a similar measure this year, is in Olympia on Friday to speak briefly at the party sponsored by Thurston County activists committed to the impeachment effort. The event runs from 5 to 9 p.m. at the Woman's Club of Olympia, 1002 Washington Ave. S.E., co-organizer Glen Anderson said. It offers food, music and games, such as an "impeachment haiku" contest.
Sen. Karen Fraser, D-Thurston County, is scheduled to speak. Fraser was one of eight Senate Democrats who signed as co-sponsors of Oemig's original bill.
Fraser said at the time her complaints go beyond the Iraq War to her belief that Bush has acted to undermine civil rights, suspend habeas corpus, use torture, and ruin the nation's reputation and relationships abroad.
Republicans generally have condemned or ridiculed the impeachment talk. But Senate Republican Leader Mike Hewitt of Walla Walla said this year that state impeachment efforts can help his Senate caucus get back into power in 2008.
Anderson said the goal of Friday's party is to bring together people favoring impeachment that can actually lead to action. He said organizers hope to draw 150 people or more.
Posted by Harpo*Harpo on December 27, 2007 at 09:35 AM
You have that right, buster.
Bush sent that woman out of exile back into Pakistan to put pressure on Musharuff and now she's dead.
Your hero has so much blood on his hands these days, it must be hard for him to work the waterboarding.
We never see Bubble Boy taking any chances with his health and welfare. He's assembled an army of 330 plus Secret Service agents for his retirement with those signing statements. Bet he thinks twice about that proposed year-long, "good will" tour of the world now.
Let Bush work as an orderly at a nut house when he retires since that's who he relates to the most. And it would be a good way for him and all his rich friends to finance his Long War while paying back their "welfare for the wealthy" which none of them ever needed...but stole from the likes of arthitic old ladies.
What a cowardly hero. I believe giving credit where credit is due.
Here's the Isikoff article on Cheney's latest shenigans:
Challenging Cheney
Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2007-12-27 04:55. Evidence
A National Archives official reveals what the veep wanted to keep classified--and how he tried to challenge the rules
By Michael Isikoff, Newsweek
J. William Leonard learned the hard way the perils of questioning Vice President Dick Cheney. The veteran National Archives official challenged claims by the Office of Vice President (OVP) to be exempt from federal rules governing classified information. His efforts touched off a firestorm—and a counter-strike by Cheney's chief of staff, David Addington, who tried to wipe out Leonard's job. (Addington did not respond to requests for comment on the subject.)
Now, Leonard is quitting as director of the Archives' Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO)—the unit that monitors the handling of government secrets. He tells NEWSWEEK that his fight with Cheney's office was a "contributing" factor in his decision to retire after 34 years of government service.
You may want to check this out. Homeland Security at it's best:
Innocent Icelandic Woman Chained, Held, Tortured by "Homeland Security" at U.S. Airport
Submitted by davidswanson on Wed, 2007-12-26 22:22. Evidence
Welcome tourists of the world!
"Pakistan is considered a vital U.S. ally in the fight against al-Qaida and other Islamic extremists including the Taliban. Osama bin Laden and his inner circle are believed to be hiding in lawless northwest Pakistan along the border with Afghanistan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_as/pakistan
Some ally they turned out to be ! Billions of dollars meant for War against terrorists spent on other things. Billions of dollars of our money gave them nukes, weapons, etc. The Taliban is stronger than it ever was ! The Poppy Crop the largest and most profitable. Bin Laden snickering his head off at the USA!
With friends like Mushareff and Pakistan, who needs anymore enemies???
'Awakening' Forces Arouse New Conflicts
Submitted by davidswanson on Wed, 2007-12-26 17:38. Media
By Ali al-Fadhily and Dahr Jamail, Inter Press Service
FALLUJAH, Dec 26 (IPS) - The controversial move of the U.S. military to back Sunni "Awakening" forces has created another wedge between Sunni and Shia political groups.
Following disputes between the tribal groups assembled into Awakening forces and the Iraqi government, the creation of these forces has become also a political issue.
U.S.-backed Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who heads a Shia political bloc, has adamantly opposed the U.S.-military policy of backing tribal groups and former resistance fighters.
To date, the U.S. military has paid more than 17 million dollars to these fighters, whose groups it calls "Concerned Local Citizens" and "Awakening Forces." Each member receives around 300 dollars monthly. Many are former resistance fighters who used to attack occupation forces.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29570
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Nice huh? It won't hold up because Maliki is already nervous about the growing strength of these groups and promised to break them up.
The surge is a bunch of crap. Petraeus is full of it. All we did was trade in one set of problems for another. There is nothing near a reconciliation in Iraq. All the DSOB conservatives can talk about is staying in Iraq permanently as if that's some sort of great victory (or are the liars calling it a "success"?). It's no success/victory spending 12 billion per month on tax payer money and troops are still getting killed / wounded (one was killed on Xmas day).
Posted by Cate on December 27, 2007 at 09:44 AM
Cate,
I'm surprised the Republicans haven't come up with a plan that makes poor sick people clean up the surgery rooms when they are strong enough to push a mop after their operations.
If they can't "reform" social security, they'll destroy every private pension plan. The disconnect between the Middle Class and the GOP is finally so out in the open that even the stupidiest of Reagan Democrats can't ignore it.
Gotta run. Later.
Posted by PamB on December 27, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Pam,
And Bush this week decries $10 billion in earmarks...a year...that will at least build bridges to nowhere in this country? Yet he loses track of that much money every frickin' week in Iraq and Parkistan.
His lose; Halliburton and Blackwater's gain?
Osama bin Laden and his inner circle are believed to be hiding in lawless northwest Pakistan along the border with Afghanistan.
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Hi PamB,
Absolutely right and "Mush" knows it. That brings me to another point. While the obnoxious disgusting imbecile Chimp was "surging" in Iraq, Afghanistan has become a total shambles. That probably aggravated the situation along the border with Pakistan. The Taliban have actually made a comeback. Congrats to Chimpy!
And Bush this week decries $10 billion in earmarks...a year...that will at least build bridges to nowhere in this country? Yet he loses track of that much money every frickin' week in Iraq and Parkistan.
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Sandy, Bush is a piece of trash. He can spent 12 billion just in one month to protect the oil in Iraq. But, the piece of dirt complains about these minor costs. By the way, I seem to recall GOP Senators going wild with earmarks when they controlled the Senate. Where was Chimpy's outrage then?
To date, the U.S. military has paid more than 17 million dollars to these fighters, whose groups it calls "Concerned Local Citizens" and "Awakening Forces." Each member receives around 300 dollars monthly. Many are former resistance fighters who used to attack occupation forces.
rjsnj,
And how much a month are the Republicans willing to pay "Concerned Local Citizens" in this country to make sure voter supression has a chance to blossom? They can't even do their own dirty work any longer. They have to pay people with their tax cut money to keep the gravy train going.
Harpo's 9:35 Since I am the dullest pencil out here I thought I'd mention to you that when you are calling someone an idiot it would make sense to use the contraction of "you are" instead of the possesive "your".
Of course, you are right, I should have been clear that I thought she was assasinated by Mushareff, and not just another suicide bomber. T
Actually, I think it would be fun to drive a snowplow.
A lot more fun than some demeaning crap job that the town of Greensburg would give the elderly, like cleaning toilets or shuffling papers.
I drove large trucks and operated some types of heavy equipment in the military, given a choice this grandma would choose a snowplow.
Back in Iowa, when I was a kid people got what was know as Homestead Exemptions, which meant that you got a tax discount on your home that you lived in. I suppose that the good citizens of whatever county in NY that Greensburg is in, never considered that.
I think that Homestead exemptions would be a great idea in places where you have a superabundance of the rich and greedy sucking up land and building trophy homes they only live in about 3 months a year.
The real residents could get a tax break, and the rich and greedy can pay closer to their fair share of taxes, since they refuse to pay state income tax to pay for the government services and infrastructure that they demand.
That's an odd thing to say seeing how it was her decision alone to return from her self-imposed exile in London.
Do you live in Cinderalla's Castle? She was sent on a Mission from the Godless in the Oval Office and The Bunker...with promises of silver slippers if she could move Pakistan back into line.
Her decision? Grow up. The world doesn't work that way. You can't blame this one on any Islamic bogeymen. It was Bush's spurned Pakistani lover fending off the advances of Spunky's new suitor that ended this love triangle.
Bush is right in the middle of this mess...just like he always is. If a situation can become worse, Bush finds a way to make it so.
Bhutto blamed people inside Musharraf's govt (1+ / 0-)
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for the attempt to assassinate her back in October: Times (of London): Benazir Bhutto blames enemies within the Government for suicide bombing:
Benazir Bhutto said last night that she had sent President Musharraf the names of three people whom she suspected of planning the attempt to kill her, as she vowed to keep campaigning for elections due in January.
Ms Bhutto, who escaped unhurt from the twin blasts that killed 140 people, blamed officials inside President Musharraf’s Government as well as militants for trying to kill her and derail her struggle to bring back democracy after eight years of military rule.
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So, what's the odds that it was a plot from inside Musharraf's government? I sure hope we had nothing to do with it. That's all I am saying about that.
There is little this will create even more violence in Pakistan and that will most likely drift into Afghanistan. It's a mess.
Bhutto assassinated 12 days before elections. Was "shot at close range"
by Joe Sudbay (DC) · 12/27/2007 09:44:00 AM ET · Link
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Details continue to emerge from the Bhutto assassination. From the Washington Post:
Bhutto, 54, was shot at close range as she was leaving the rally in this garrison city south of Islamabad, aides said. Immediately after the shooting, a suicide bomber detonated explosives near Bhutto's car, killing at least 15 other people.
Bhutto was rushed to a hospital with extensive wounds to her torso, her supporters said. Shortly after she arrived at the hospital, an official came out of the building and told a crowd of supporters Bhutto was dead.
Analysis of the impact of the assassination is also starting. I'm no foreign policy expert, but let's just say, it's pretty clear this isn't good for Pakistan's future:
Bhutto's death is a devastating development, coming 12 days before Pakistanis are set to vote in national parliamentary elections already marked by enormous political turmoil. President Pervez Musharraf declared a state of emergency in November -- a move which he said was to combat terrorism, but which was widely perceived as an effort to stave off legal challenges to his authority. U.S. military officials said last week that the terrorist group al-Qaeda increasingly is focusing its efforts in Pakistan.
Keep in mind, Pakistan is allegedly our stalwart ally in the war against terror and the fight for democracy.
all of the candidates on both sides will be trying to make hay of this assassination. pretty disgusting all in all.
and harpo aren't you supposed to be shoving sally's mother back into her bat cave at this hour?
I suppose that the good citizens of whatever county in NY that Greensburg is in, never considered that.
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Butte, it's Westchester, NY. NY state does have some sort of rebate program. I don't know if Westchester has anything to help elderly cope with their high taxes.
The bet that the rebate is a drop in the bucket once the taxes get up to ten thousand or more. Some states have retirement areas where property taxes are controlled ... in return, no children can live in such an area. I think that's just given that elderly people no longer have children in the public schools and education makes up the bulk of property taxes.
Other states such as Florida have Homestead laws that keep the taxes down.
"It is almost impossible to imagine how much turmoil this is going to cause within Pakistan"
by John Aravosis (DC)
Sky News:
The Russian foreign ministry said it feared the country could descend into terrorism or civil war....
British political campaigner Mohammed Shafiq said: "This has destroyed any chance of election in Pakistan. It will cause more friction and more problems."
Sky's Asia correspondent Alex Crawford said: "It is almost impossible to imagine how much turmoil this is going to cause within Pakistan. There is going to be team of people who will want to avenge her death. There will be team of people who want to capitalise on the turbulence after her death."
http://www.americablog.com/2007/12/it-is-almost-impossible-to-imagine-how.html
Mitt Romney's rush to comment on events in Pakistan and automatically link those events to terrorism -- before the State Department was even able to confirm the death -- show why Mitt would be dangerous for national security if elected President.
Is the assassination a terrorist attack or an attack by those loyal to Pakistan's government -- the fact are not in - but this did not stop Mitt from opening his mouth in the international press.
Mitt has proven he does not have what it takes to be America's President.
Is the assassination a terrorist attack or an attack by those loyal to Pakistan's government -- the fact are not in - but this did not stop Mitt from opening his mouth in the international press.
Mitt has proven he does not have what it takes to be America's President.
Posted by Roxie on December 27, 2007 at 11:02 AM
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The facts are NOT in. In a previous attempt, Bhutto blamed a group within the Pakistan government. All I am saying is there are odds that Musharraf has something to do with it.
I also suspect that with Musharraf in control we will never learn the truth. He is basically a dictator.
At this point, the Presidental candidates should express their sympathies and acknowledge that Pakistan is a real mess. It's likely to be a source for increased violence in the years ahead and it directly impacts what goes on in Afghanistan.
oh gee harpo i forgot you're all about bright statements....hahahahaha
Watching CNN ... looks like violence has already broken out in several Pakistan cities.
The Badme Spark – America’s Next Iraq
Badme , a small town with a population of 1563 on the horn of Africa, may seem an unlikely place to be the spark of a gigantic showdown in the war on terrorism, but it may well be the spark that draws the US into a long-term war against terrorism.
Read more here: http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/roxiehoward/CrVs
It is sad that violence has broken out, it is a tragedy upon a tragedy.
You celebrate the victories of our enemies. Why would you want anything else?
You stupid idiot ! What PART of my statement reflected my celebrating any victories of enemies???
Better put the bottle down, Thom-ass, you're blabbering again !
And do you not understand that about 85% of REAL Republicans now deplore this Neo Con government of our's? That they understand that Bush and Cheney have destroyed their Real party and they are pissed? WHY would you choose to stay in the minority and defend these men? Is it because you are just hate filled , period, and do not give a damn what happened to the GOP party? You are a sick sick man. Steve is mentally unbalanced due to living like the unibomber, but you are just plain mentally Sick.
It is sad that violence has broken out, it is a tragedy upon a tragedy.
Posted by Roxie on December 27, 2007 at 11:27 AM
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Indeed it is. This really throws doubt into the ability of Pakistan to transform itself into a more Democratic society. Personally, I am dubious that Musharraf is committed to Democracy. Of course, the Islamic extremists aren't committed to that either. Bhutto was a champion of Democracy.
I don't know who did it. But, I find it curious that all of the pundits are ignoring Bhutto's own words. She suspected that the previous assassination attempt originated within Musharraf's government. That's why I brought it up as a probability and wondered if others are thinking the same.
I stand by my statement that Chimpy has contributed to the mess in Pakistan. He took the focus off of Afghanistan and allowed Bin Laden to settle in Pakistan. He then said Bin Laden didn't matter. So, is it a surprise that the Taliban have made a comeback in Afghanistan? Chimpy is to blame because of the ridiculous, wasteful, illegal and simply wrong Iraq debacle. He will never live that down. His legacy is permanently shot.
One pundit just said:
That's not to suggest Mush is behind the assassination ... Why not suggest it? He's not above eliminating political rivals. He's a product of a military coup. So, why assume he may not be involved especially when Bhutto suspected him in the previous attempt.
That's what I hate about our media. They shouldn't be drawing any conclusions at this point. But all they are doing is repeating the official lines.
We shall see what we shall see.
"Indeed it is. This really throws doubt into the ability of Pakistan to transform itself into a more Democratic society. Personally, I am dubious that Musharraf is committed to Democracy."
This event could trigger the circumstances where the legacy of President Bush's war on terrorism, is that his ally, Pakistan, transforms into an Islamic Republic giving Islamic extremists a nation with nuclear weapons.
My heart goes out to the family of PM Bhutto this day. :-(( Her 3 kids knew nothing of wretched politics only that they have lost their MOTHER this day! I am very sad for Pakistan and those that seek Democracy there. I am so sorry for their loss.
Peace to Pakistan
Peace to America
Peace to the PLANET in PERIL!
bbl :-(
Interesting web site:
http://www.dawn.com/2007/12/27/benazirbhutto.htm
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They are broadcasting live from Pakistan with an English translation. A bit choppy ... there's some good articles on there concerning this situation.
Posted by rjsnj on December 27, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Hey that's my name! LOL
hmmm, how bizarre.
Benazir supporters take anger to the streets ISLAMABAD, Dec 27 (Reuters) - Angry supporters of slain opposition leader Benazir Bhutto took to the streets of Pakistani cities on Thursday, from the Himalayas to the southern coast. The unrest was predictably fiercest in Bhutto's native Sindh province and its capital, Karachi. “Police in Sindh have been put on red alert,” said a senior police official. “We have increased deployment and are patrolling in all the towns and cities, as there is trouble almost everywhere,” he said. Reports said security was deteriorating in Karachi, where thousands poured on to the streets to protest. At least three banks, a government office and a post office were set on fire, a witness said. Tyres were set on fire on many roads, and shooting and stone-throwing was reported in many places. Most shops and markets in the city shut down. At least 20 vehicles were torched in Sindh’s second biggest town of Hyderabad. There were also small protests in Rawalpindi and the nearby capital, Islamabad. Protesters blocked roads with burning tyres and chanted anti-Musharraf slogans in Muzaffarabad, capital of Azad Kashmir. Police said they had been ordered to block the main road between Punjab province and Sindh province, apparently to stop the movement of protesters. Disturbances were also reported in the southeastern city of Multan, although details were sketchy. In Lahore, capital of Punjab province, Bhutto party workers burnt three buses and damaged several other vehicles, police said. (Posted @ 22:38 PST)
Court, banks ablaze in caretaker PM's hometown JACOBABAD, Pakistan, Dec 27 (AFP) The main court, banks and other buildings were set on fire in Jacobabad, hometown of Pakistan's caretaker prime minister Mohammedmian Soomro after Benazir Bhutto's assassination Thursday, an AFP reporter said. Mobs also torched several shops, including some belonging to relatives of Mr. Soomro, said residents of the city, in the Sindh province. Portraits of Soomro were also set on fire while demonstrators took to the streets, blocking roads and a railway track. (Posted @ 21:46 PST)
Hey that's my name! LOL
hmmm, how bizarre.
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 12:30 PM
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Dawn, LOL. I noticed that. Someone tipped me off to this web site. It seems like an Internet reporting site. The streaming broadcast is very interesting though choppy.
Oil Rises on Inventory Shortfalls Thursday December 27, 12:12 pm ET By John Wilen, AP Business Writer Oil Prices Jump After Government Reports Crude and Heating Oil Supplies Fell Last WeekNEW YORK (AP) -- Oil futures rose above $97 a barrel Thursday after the government reported larger-than-expected declines in crude and heating oil inventories.
In its weekly inventory report, the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration said oil inventories fell by 3.3 million barrels last week, more than double the 1.3 million barrel decline analysts expected. Inventories of distillates, which include heating oil and diesel fuel, fell by 2.8 million barrels, much more than the expected 800,000 barrel decline...Oil prices also rose on news of the assassination of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, which raised concerns about geopolitical stability. That news came on the heels of attacks by Turkish forces on Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq earlier in the week, which boosted oil prices by raising concerns about Iraqi oil supplies.
"I think the market got about as much bullish news as it can over the last couple days," said James Cordier, president of Liberty Trading Group in Tampa, Fla...
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071227/oil_prices.html?.v=18
More fallout from the Bhutto assassination. As we all know, this is a rather dangerous situation. The next few days will be critical in restoring order in Pakistan.
Good afternoon fellow Democrats.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 12:33 PM
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Hi Bob from VA,
Sad day for the world and more trouble in an already troubled Middle East.
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Hola Dawn, que pasa? Como esta?
The next few days will be critical in restoring order in Pakistan.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 12:54 PM
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I hope so Bob. There are many who say that even before Bhutto's return from exile, Pakistan was a powerkeg. We all know that Bin Laden and the Taliban are making trouble in Western Pakistan. That trouble appeared to be spreading east into the large cities of Karachi and Islamabad.
Posted by rjsnj on December 27, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Indeed it is, RJ. Pakistan in a state of emergency, the Taliban is making gains in Afghanistan, Putin is trying to turn Russia back into the Soviet Union, Syria is working with N. Korea on nuclear technology, no improvements have been made to the Israeli-Palestinian situation, Saudi Arabia is still privately funding terrorism with our oil money, Egypt may be smuggling weapons to the Palestinians, Lebanon, as always, is on the verge of collapse, and our State Department is AWOL.
So ia ask my fellow citizens in the loyal opposition, "What the hell are we still doing in Iraq when the rest of world is going to hell in a handbasket?" The time has come to put an end to Iraq, one way or the other.
We've seen a modest success from the surge. Six months ago, I was saying to either put in 300K to 500K troops for 12-18 months to stabilize Iraq and run out Al-Qaeda or bring them all home. I stand by that. One way or the other, I fear, we'll be needing those troops relatively soon in other places. Either we give up our role as the world's policeman or we do it properly. The world is too dangerous to waffle on this issue.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 01:17 PM
Thank you Bob, I am well today and I agree about Iraq - we need to start moving troops out immediately upon taking back the (not so) White House! (or before but I don't hold my breath for that one)
I am confident THIS woman will bring them home.
“I think we can bring home one to two combat brigades a month,” she said. “I think we can bring nearly everybody home, you know, certainly within a year if we keep at it and do it very steadily.”
Either we give up our role as the world's policeman or we do it properly. The world is too dangerous to waffle on this issue.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 01:17 PM
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Bob, we should definitely get out if Iraq. The price tag is just too high. Let the oil companies hire Blackwater themselves to protect their assets in Iraq. They make enough money from a barrel of oil.
I would not be disappointed if we were less of policeman overseas and we minded what goes on in our country more.
I do agree though that the world is a powerkeg. It's going to require some soul searching and diplomacy to change our relationship to the rest of the world. We are going to have to be very careful about using "force" for now on.
Russia is a fine example of where we went wrong. There is no way that Putin becomes as aggressive as he has become if it were not for the Chimpenfurher's foolish "missile defense system" (another multi-billion boondangle).
Good Afternoon, ALL!
From Talking Points Memo:
12.27.07 -- 8:58AM // link Bhutto DeadObviously, the big news of the day is the assassination, in Pakistan, of former Pakistani PM Benazir Bhutto. The early reports suggest that an assassin shot Bhutto twice at close range and then blew himself up. On first blush, that sounds like the killers -- if in fact they're the same people -- learned a lesson from the first attack when the blast pattern left Bhutto more or less uninjured. Also important to watch, there was a sniper attack on supporters of rival former PM Nawaz Sharif earlier in the day. We're not clear yet whether he was present at that earlier incident or not, though earlier reports suggest he was not.
We'll be following the story closely today, bringing you the latest and trying to find the context to help explain what it means. Watch our news section to the right for the latest.
--Josh Marshall
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I don't know what to make of this, but a few assassination attempts right before the election seems to be an odd way to run a Democracy.
But there is more to come, Pakistan is just one drop in the bucket of hot-spots that can flame up. I posted earlier today about Badme, another very dangerous spot where the U.S. has alredy been involved.
If military action alone solved Islamic terrorism wouldn't Palestine be the most peaceful place on earth?
How many Palestines can exist before world war emerges?
“I think we can bring home one to two combat brigades a month,” she said. “I think we can bring nearly everybody home, you know, certainly within a year if we keep at it and do it very steadily.”
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 01:25 PM
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Dawn, it's a atsrt. Unlike some who were upset that none of the candidates, with the exception of Kucinich, would commit to bring all the troops home, I am happy with bringing home most within a year. I acknowledge there may be a need to keep a small contingent there for awhile. But, I don't want them guarding private industries assets. Let the bizness people hire Blackwater mercs to do their security.
What democracy? Pakistan? Pakistan is only a seed of democracy and whether or not see will grow is still a very open question. Many in the region would rather see an Islamic state.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 27, 2007 at 01:34 PM
Pakistan is no more of a democracy than President Bush's vision of America. Pakistan is the most dangerous place on Earth.
Also important to watch, there was a sniper attack on supporters of rival former PM Nawaz Sharif earlier in the day. We're not clear yet whether he was present at that earlier incident or not, though earlier reports suggest he was not.
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Sharif is okay. I heard an interview with him about an hour ago. My understanding is that he can't run for office ... some sort of legal hassle.
This is a nice surprise!
Rep. Woolsey backs Clinton
By Mike Soraghan | Posted: 12/27/07 10:58 AM [ET]
December 27, 2007
Presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) got a potential boost to her anti-war credentials this week when she won the endorsement of Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), a co-founder of the Out-of-Iraq caucus and one of the vehement anti-war voices in Congress.
Clinton has been criticized for her 2002 vote in favor of the resolution that authorized the use of force in Iraq. Unlike the other Democratic presidential contenders, she has not openly regretted that decision.
Woolsey told the Marin Independent Journal Wednesday that Clinton “is the one who can take what she says and turn it into reality once she's elected president.”
Woolsey and her fellow Out-of-Iraq caucus leaders have campaigned in the key early presidential states to raise awareness of the anti-war position.
Pakistan is the most dangerous place on Earth.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 01:39 PM
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Very dangerous. Let's not forget that Bin Laden, Zawahiri and leaders of the Taliban are still there in Western Pakistan. You know, the people Chimpy said don't matter anymore as he started up the illegal and stupid Iraq war.
I know it's not a Democracy; the Chimp thinks it is even though it's really a Military Dictatorship. These elections are all for show anyway, however, his henchman did agree to take off his uniform and pretend to be running a legitimate government. (Just like Chimpy).
Woolsey and her fellow Out-of-Iraq caucus leaders have campaigned in the key early presidential states to raise awareness of the anti-war position.
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 01:43 PM
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I have to admit that's a nice endorsement. I have alot of respect for Lynn Woolsey. She's spoken her mind throughout the dreadful reign of the Chimpenfurher.
Posted by rjsnj on December 27, 2007 at 01:26 PM
...definitely get out if Iraq. The price tag is just too high. Let the oil companies hire Blackwater themselves to protect their assets in Iraq. They make enough money from a barrel of oil.
We totally agree on this. Let the mercs guard the private installations and let the Iraqis guard the public ones.
Russia is a fine example of where we went wrong. There is no way that Putin becomes as aggressive as he has become if it were not for the Chimpenfurher's foolish "missile defense system"
I have no problem with the implementation of a missile defense system. I think President Reagan's Star Wars plan was a good idea, in principle. But why would we need missile defense against Russia? That's like building a defense system to ward off the Canadians or the Mexicans. The Russians offered us some space in one of their satellite countries, I forget which one now, to put up our defense system which was much closer to the Middle East and Iran, namely.
Instead, the POTUS wants to put in Poland. Poland?! This is not 1958, Mr. President. President Reagan won the Cold War and your daddy tied up the loose ends.
Which brings up the same question AGAIN..."Where is Condi and why is she collecting a paycheck?"
This seems to be a regular thing with her. When something happens that merits a clear statement from the USA she is never anywhere to be found.
In the meantime, Chmpy had this to say:
Bush Statement On Bhutto Assassination
That's the whole of it. No questions taken.
As far as world politics you are thick as a brick.
and you, Thom-ass, are in the MINORITY of your beliefs. What part of that have you missed?
The only way you feel like a man, is trying to talk tough and condemning other leaders who did not hate this country of mine, until Bush/Cheney took over !!
What a pathetic excuse of a man you are !
Pam, it's typical of their cult like devotion to the Chimp that they equate HIM with "America". All I have to say about that bizzare mental disorder is America ain't a piece of shit, Chimpy IS.
2 Mutually Exclusive things.
Chimpy = BAD!
America = GOOD!
The Russians offered us some space in one of their satellite countries, I forget which one now, to put up our defense system which was much closer to the Middle East and Iran, namely.
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Bob,
It was Kazakhstan. Putin proved what a phony Bush really is by doing that. Putting a missile defense system on Russia's border is as inflammatory as the Russians putting missiles into Cuba. But, the Bushies don't know about the Cuban missile crisis. That dumb press secretary Perino never even heard of it. I still think it's an expense we can do without and a system that has not proved itself despite spending billions on it.
Why is it that right wingers just love dictators? You can't tell me that they didn't just love the Shah to pieces when he was dictator of Iran. And didn't that ahole Raygun just love Pinochet and the rest of the Latin American death squad thugs? They had no problem with Hussein as long as he was fighting Iran (oh yeah after the thug Shah was thrown out). So please give me a break right wing hypocrites. I know you are fond of saying there is nothing wrong with supporting a bad guy as long as he is OUR bad guy ... how many times has that one backfired ...
Later ...
rj and doo bee
the trouble with the trolls and neo cons is, they think with their little head, not their big one !! Swaggering, little cock of the walks, all mouth, no action themselves !
bbl,
Posted by rjsnj on December 27, 2007 at 02:29 PM
Which is why the Bush administration darn neared repeated the missile crisis of October of 1962. I can appreciate your misgivings about investing in new technology of this nature. I wish we could spend that money on education and infrastructure. But, we both know the world of the 21st century is dangerous and that danger has been exponentially increased by the incompetence of the Bush administration's foregin policy, or lack thereof.
The time to build "Fortress America" is now. It begins with smart border security, rebuilding the infrastructure, and a "Apollo" style project to return this great nation of ours to a state of complete self-sufficiency for all aspects of our daily lives with emphasis on the essentials; food, shelter, and clothing. Hopefully, we can begin to deconstruct that vision around mid-century but probably not until the end of the century or into the next, IMHO. Until then, we must be prepared for anything at any time.
ABM's in Kazakhstan does not help us achieve those objectives. The Russians, and everyone else for that matter, knows that as well. And we agree on one other issue as well. Why the hell is Sec. Rice still drawing a paycheck other than she serves at the pleasure of the POTUS?
Good afternoon, everyone.
Something on the lighter side.
"The List" 2008
electionline.org Staff
Once again, as a public service we present our fifth annual list of what's "in and out" for 2008:
OUT: electionline.org, "a project of the University of Richmond funded by The Pew Charitable Trusts"
IN: electionline.org, "a project of the Pew Charitable Trusts' Center on the States"
OUT: Evidence of voter fraud
IN: Allegations of voter fraud
OUT: Concerns about whether poll workers will show up for duty
IN: Concerns about (winter) weather keeping poll workers from showing up
OUT: Decertified machines
IN: Decertifying machines
OUT: Profits for Vendors
IN: Pressures on Vendors
OUT: Retiring Los Angeles County Clerk-Recorder Conny McCormack
IN: Some poor soul who has no idea what (s)he's in for
OUT: Legislation being passed
IN: Legislation being debated
OUT: Electronic and Internet voting in the United States
IN: Electronic and Internet voting worldwide
OUT: Arguing voter ID in lower courts
IN: Arguing voter ID in the U.S. Supreme Court
OUT: Voting at the polls in some North Dakota counties
IN: Vote-by-mail in some North Dakota counties
OUT: New York "stalling"
IN: New York "learning"
OUT: Forgetting to ask the national parties about moving up a primary
IN: Forgetting to educate voters about moved up primaries
OUT: Diebold critics
IN: Premier critics
OUT: Security concerns over DRE machines
IN: Security concerns over optical-scan machines
OUT: Paper trails
IN: Paper ballots
OUT: Sharing voter data among state agencies
IN: Sharing voter data among states
OUT: Super Tuesday
IN: Super Duper Tuesday
OUT: 2007 EAC Chair Donetta Davidson
IN: 2008 EAC Chair Rosemary Rodriguez
OUT: Thinking about how to bring voters to the polls
IN: Thinking about how to bring the polls to the voters
OUT: Epicenters of presidential election controversies - Florida 2000, Ohio 2004
IN: Fifty states and the District in 2008 desperately hoping "not me . not me . not me ."
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Jeepers, this troll can't keep his mind out of the gutter.
Cock of The Walk The Male Red Cardinal Featured Oct 30th 2007
It's a noisy little pest with a pointy head and a tiny brain who just struts around like it's a big shot. Prideful and basically useless. Also destructive.
Harpo you nazi fascist pig, go back to your rathole with all the other racist homophobe ilk.
David Axelrod needs to keep his mouth shut. He tried linking Hillary to the assination of Bhutto by her vote to support the war in Iraq. If that was the case so would John Edwards and most of the democratic candidates. Of coarse, now there backing out of his statement.
This campaigning of personal destruction needs to stop. IT NEEDS TO STOP NOW!!! I will never vote for Obama because he has used the same crap against his rivals as the likes of limbaugh, newt, and the rest of the pukes that should be paying the Clintons and this country big money for the slander that they performed on the Clintons and this country. I only wish we could put the whole lot of them in jail because thats where they belong!!!!
dan5 your a facist go back to home for the mentely derange
I'm not sure why some people wish to engage in personal degrading of other people instead of discussing issues. Can't trolls support their message with intelligent discussion? If not, then perhaps their message is the stuff of mad babblings that should not be given a second look.
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The pundits are now saying that ghouliani, mccain will benefit from this terrible news of Bhutto's murder.
They also believe that Hillary will benefit.
I certainly hope the American people will not in anyway believe the pukes have put forth any candidate that could actually help this situation.
The pukes lied to the Senate and the House about weapons of mass destruction. They lied to the American people about Whitewater, Hillary's healthcare, Vince Foster's death, Hillary throwing a lamp at her husband and many other lies about the Clintons. This party is the most corrupt group of people in this century to be in charge of this country. How can the American people be dumb enough to think we need these Bas*****!! to handle the events in Pakistan.
Give me a F***ing Break!!!!
I certainly believe that Hillary is the best person to handle the presidency because she had carnal knowledge of the deciet, corruption, and mob tactics that will be thrown at the democratic president. Its naive to think these people have seen the error of their ways and are ready to play nice. Come On, PEOPLE!!!
roxie dan 5 is the worst trool pam it member not trool
Middle East expert Professor Juan Cole does an excellent summation (as usual) of what happened and what we can expect to see coming out of Pakistan, putting it in the historical context of events happening over the last few years. Digby has excerpts and links to the original.
With Benazir's assassination, the Rice Plan is in tatters and Bush administration policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan is tottering.
The problem is exacerbated by a dramatic drop-off in U.S. expertise on Pakistan. Retired American officials say that, for the first time in U.S. history, nobody with serious Pakistan experience is working in the South Asia bureau of the State Department, on State's policy planning staff, on the National Security Council staff or even in Vice President Cheney's office. Anne W. Patterson, the new U.S. ambassador to Islamabad, is an expert on Latin American "drugs and thugs"; Richard A. Boucher, the assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asian affairs, is a former department spokesman who served three tours in Hong Kong and China but never was posted in South Asia. "They know nothing of Pakistan," a former senior U.S. diplomat said.
(bold in original link)
Heck of a job, Chimpy.
Good afternoon, all.
I don't know what to make of this, but a few assassination attempts right before the election seems to be an odd way to run a Democracy.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 27, 2007 at 01:34 PM
Don't give The Shooter any ideas.
We need Senator Biden, He will be a great secretary of state. Where's Condi, was a stupid ass secretary of state. I know one thing we don't need John McCain. The way the pukes are trying to capitize on her death, sure sounds suspicious.
More from that Juan Cole piece linked in the 4:15 post:
The NYT reported that US Secretary of State Condi Rice tried to fix Musharraf's subsequent dwindling legitimacy by arranging for Benazir to return to Pakistan to run for prime minister, with Musharraf agreeing to resign from the military and become a civilian president. When the supreme court seemed likely to interfere with his remaining president, he arrested the justices, dismissed them, and replaced them with more pliant jurists. This move threatened to scuttle the Rice Plan, since Benazir now faced the prospect of serving a dictator as his grand vizier, rather than being a proper prime minister.
Well, he did "resign" from the Military. He even had to buy some new suits.
But, we both know the world of the 21st century is dangerous and that danger has been exponentially increased by the incompetence of the Bush administration's foregin policy, or lack thereof.
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Bob, actually it's sorta of old technology they are throwing money at. It's the old idea of an anti-ballistic missile. Highly unlikely to do anything other than shoot down one missile. I don't see it as much protection from the nuclear powers and none at all from someone with a "dirty bomb". In short, I think missile defense is a waste of money.
Ahhh, that Georgie Bush. Making the world a safer place??? LOL !
Funny you never hear the trolls bitch about $10 Billion dollars spent on Pakistan---wasted on Taliban grown larger. Musharref spent it on other things. War Lords and Drug Kings have largest poppy crop in history. HOW COME with their little tiny greedy wallets, we don't hear about this crapola???
Assassination Poses Dilemma for US
By Matthew Lee
The Associated Press
Washington - The Bush administration scrambled Thursday with the implications of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's assassination after investing significant diplomatic capital in promoting reconciliation between her and President Pervez Musharraf.
Bhutto's return to the country after years in exile and the ability of her party to contest free and fair elections had been a cornerstone of Bush's policy in Pakistan, where U.S. officials had watched Musharraf's growing authoritarianism with increasing unease.
Those concerns were compounded by the rising threat from al-Qaida and Taliban extremists, particularly in Pakistan's largely ungoverned tribal areas bordering Afghanistan despite the fact that Washington had pumped nearly $10 billion in aid into the country since Musharraf became an indispensible counter-terrorism ally after Sept. 11, 2001.
I LOVE it, that the congress has bush right by the short hairs!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Senate Meets Briefly to Block Bush By Laurie Kellman
The Associated Press
Washington - The House was quiet as a mouse the day after Christmas. But across the Capitol, the Senate was operating in an unusually efficient manner in its ongoing power struggle with President Bush.
A nine-second session gaveled in and out by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., prevented Bush from appointing as an assistant attorney general a nominee roundly rejected by majority Democrats. Without the pro forma session, the Senate would be technically adjourned, allowing the president to install officials without Senate confirmation.
I am amazed that the right wing shills just can't get rid of their hatred of Al Gore. Newsflash ... Al Gore did win in 2000. Chimpy was selected nt elected.
John Kerry was a war hero. Chimpy was a deserter. Cheney didn't even bother to serve.
Get over it right wing nuts.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 27, 2007 at 04:15 PM
The Republican "bench" has been thin on talent for years. The only cabinet officer that has been worth their proverbial salt is Sec. Gates at DoD. His appointment of GEN Petraeus has been the one bright spot in the quagmire of Iraq.
However, our patience is quite thin with the Iraqi government. They need to realize we're leaving relatively soon, specfically 21JAN09, unless they get their act together. It is time to put this dark chapter in history behind us and address the real war on terror by carrying the fight to the people who prepetrated the crimes in Pakistan today if the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling.
Connfloyd,
I can not believe the things Obama says. He goes LOW.
If Obama will turn on progressives, and back an anti-gay singer for his faith crowd, I wonder if he will turn on progressives again and go anti-choice for his faith crowd?
Look at his support for nuke power? Real progressive.
Look at his unfair attacks on Democrats? Some integrity.
SO, has Obama EVER championed anything from the Democratic Platform? Or is "bring America together" code for selling out Dems who've WON the policy debates?
I think Obama wants to meet Republicans half-way, despite Democrats having won foreign and domestic policy debates. No wonder the Corporate owned MSM likes him, and always shows him is such a positive and authoritative light.
I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is getting ready to run with Bloomburg as an Independent, after he loses in Iowa.
Republicans know they need a Independent "Dem" in the race to split Democrats because the Republicans will likely have the strong Libertarian Ron Paul to contend as a 3rd party.
Dan5, Republicans started business with China. You are the commie supporter. Why do you hate America and the Constitution so much? Face it, Clinton/Gore did better in the White House. NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED, ASSHAT!
Ahhh, that Georgie Bush. Making the world a safer place??? LOL !
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Chimp is a loser. He was AWOL during Vietnam era. Kerry was a legitimate hero. The GOP right wing aholes should be ashamed they made fun of Kerry's record. What a bunch of chickenhawks and losers.
Chimpy can't put on his boots with directions pasted to them. A total obnoxious disgusting waste of a person. He would have been lucky if we put him out of his misery and impeached him.
Hail to the loser Chimpenfurher.
A nine-second session gaveled in and out by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., prevented Bush from appointing as an assistant attorney general a nominee roundly rejected by majority Democrats. Without the pro forma session, the Senate would be technically adjourned, allowing the president to install officials without Senate confirmation.
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The disgusting Chimpenfurher was going to recess appoint yet another right wing judge ... despite being told that he is unacceptable. What a arrogant putrid ahole.
There was a poll a few weeks ago that asked the hypothetical question "If you had a choice, who would you rather see as President of the USA for the remainder of this term, Chimpy or Clinton.
Clinton got almost 70% of the vote. Chimpy is THAT bad that people long for the good old days of Bill.
rjsnj, Yep.
Maybe they would like Gore more if he lied to get us into war, and his former company was getting rich on the war? After all, they like Cheney. I suppose they would like Kerry if he was a deserter too?
Good thing about trolls is they are stupid and easy to make fun of.
The Republican "bench" has been thin on talent for years. The only cabinet officer that has been worth their proverbial salt is Sec. Gates at DoD. His appointment of GEN Petraeus has been the one bright spot in the quagmire of Iraq.
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Gates is definitely an improvement over that senile lunatic Rumsfeld. I have my misgiving about Petraeus because he allowed himself to be politicized. In his defense, every General has fell into that trap because the Chimpenfurher gets rid of them if they don't play along. But, I think too much emphasis is put on Petraeus. There is no way that a General can reconcile the situation in Iraq. It's up to the Iraqi people. First and foremost they must feel it's their country. The only way for that to occur is for us to start to withdraw thus transferring full power to the Iraqi government. Otherwise, I doubt they will ever step up and we'll be stuck there indefinitely throwing 12 billion per month down the drain.
"They know nothing of Pakistan," a former senior U.S. diplomat said.
Doo Dee,
That's what Putin has been saying for five years now. These idiot Republicans know nothing about nothing...and they like it that way.
The Bush answer to Musharuff's imprisoning the Chief Justice was to hire a few mercenaries. He sends in these two corrupt former Prime Ministers and almost challenges the Pakistani Army to shoot at them.
How in the heck is that suppose to lessen tensions and allow the country to come to gripes with its growing internal problems.
I suppose Bush thinks by throwing gasoline on the fire he can create enough chaos in Pakistan that Gates can slip in a few more Special Opps units to grab their WMD? More likely the Pakistanis will use them on Israel if Bush meddles any further.
But Spunky doesn't get that. He doesn't get anything. He sacrifices innocent pawns daily in the Middle East with no more than a blink of an eye and the GOP wonders why the rest of the world calls him a madman behind his back?
The Republicans are making Putin look like Ghandi.
Clinton got almost 70% of the vote. Chimpy is THAT bad that people long for the good old days of Bill.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 27, 2007 at 04:43 PM
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That's an easy one. Give me Clinton anyday over this obnoxious Chimp.
The Republicans are making Putin look like Ghandi.
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 04:45 PM
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Ouch that's bad. Putty Poot as the Chimpazoid calls him is a dictator ... hmmm, he has something in common with the Chimpenfurher.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 04:10 PM
LOL I didn't hear about a lamp???
He's lucky that's all she did. If she did. She had every right, imo.
and YET I'd take him back in a NANO second compared to any others (except perhaps Carter) GOD BLESS HIM!!
Hi Dusty,
Juan Cole shares a bit of childhood history with me, perhaps that is why we share a lot of views concerning terrorism -- perhaps it was our living in a place 50 percent Muslim and 50 percent Christianity that opened our eyes early in life to things people are only beginning to see today.
Another milestone. Heck of a job, Chimpy.
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Chimpenfuhrer stinks!
You are the commie supporter. Why do you hate America and the Constitution so much? Face it, Clinton/Gore did better in the White House. NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED, ASSHAT!
Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on December 27, 2007 at 04:36 PM
yellow dog,
these guys do not CARE that Bush has destroyed our country. That he called the Constitution a g-d piece of paper. That he took a surplus and turned it into deficit again. That he took 5 days to get help to Katrina victims. That his Republicans tried to create Terri's law, which would make us all leave our Gramma's tied up to life support the rest of their lives. That they ruined our World image. That the price of gasoline is 5 times higher than it was.
That the party is made up of Sex perverts and Corrupt dirty criminals !
All they care about is their greedy little wallet, which they think for some strange reason, that Bush has put more money back into it! I don't know about you, but I have not seen one single dollar more saved in Taxes!
They are all a bunch of naive, gullible, ignorant anal openings !
The Rich Are Different Hotlist
by Devilstower
Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 01:54:10 PM PST
Michelle Leder at footnoted.org specializes in reading company reports and looking for those little special treats given to those folks who have their feet at the top of the corporate ladder.
So what has she found? Marketplace has some of Michelle's best finds for 2007.
How about the CEO at Qwest, whose daughter gets to use the corporate jet to travel to school? Puts that kid whose mother pulls up to jr. high in a Hummer in her place. Cost to the stockholders: about $600,000.
Personal travel was a theme in CEO perks this year. Just ask the CEO of I2. The company covered his commuting expenses so he could live in Maine while the company offices were in Dallas. Cost to the stockholders: $949,000 -- and by the way, the company was busy scrambling to avoid collapse. I'm sure the other employees got equally nice treatment.
Failing companies often seem to be the most generous. Take Countrywide, which gave it's new COO a promotion bonus just as the sub-prime mortgage business was heading for the dumper. Cost to the stockholders: $2.62 million. Oh, and when it comes to that housing crisis? Thank goodness executives don't have to worry. See, when housing prices were going up, companies bought executive homes at the market rate and gave any profit to the executive. When housing prices started to fall, shareholders covered any losses so the executives still made a profit. What's that you say? Housing slump? You must be joking.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/27/165410/40/495/426663
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Simply despicable. How are these people any better than the robber barons of the gilded age?
While their companies go up in flames, they spent money like water on personal perks. What incredible arrogance. It's exactly the sorta of attotude that permeates the personality of people like Bush and Cheney. They just think they are better than everyone else and the hell with the people they are suppose to serve. Enough of these rat conservatives.
Bob, Thanks for answering my blog. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one that feels that way about Obama.
However, Im not sure about Edwards, I do think maybe, someone like him (fighter), could maybe do a good job. I just don't like the digs he's made at Hillary. Although, they have not been bad as Obama.
I also wonder why Bloomberg and Obama had that conversation over coffee in New York. It kind of makes you wonder?
Oprah has split the democratic vote already. Although there are still some black people that see thru Obama. It's too bad that the first black man to run would be a person that has already sold out his party and in escense sold out his constituency.
Huckabee is like Bush meets Alan Keyes. HUCKSTER PREACHER!
He should ask his flock what it would mean if 2 Mormons controlled the Senate and the White House. That should get some undecideds to flip from Mitt.
This nation will suffer the damage created by the little shrub President for many years. The only real question is, did the people learn enough to return America to independence so we have no reason to poke out nose in every little dispute around the world.
I don't know about you, but I have not seen one single dollar more saved in Taxes!
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PamB, like everyone else I got around 100 dollars back. What a freakin insult! Meanwhile, people who don't need the money got millions back. What sort of upside down asinine economy is that. The Chimpenfuhrer is a failure at everything.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 04:10 PM
connfloyd,
Imho, the only one who benefits from this crisis is Bill Richardson. He the one who wants us out of Iraq now. The voters relate to that.
They now know the inherent risk of having Bush running around talking about the war on terror again. Nobody wants our soldiers being marched from country to another over there looking for another war.
We need to leave the region and saddle the Russians with Bush's Blunders. It would be the best way to counter Russia's growing mischief in that part of the world.
On another topic:
Mark Geragos on CIGNA : "We will seek criminal prosecution"
by nyceve [Subscribe]
Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 10:40:53 AM PST
Note: I wasn't going to post this diary because of the terrible tragedy in Pakistan, but I've received a bunch of emails asking for an update on the death of Nataline Sarkisyan.
Mark Geragos wants you to know that the Sarkisyan family is going to pursue criminal charges against CIGNA.
I received the following email from him.
Eve, thanks so much for all of your efforts. The Sarkisyan family has told me several times that the spontaneous outpouring of support is the only thing that sustains them through this difficult time. Rest assured that we are both investigating and exploring every option in order to present a compelling case to the prosecutors in order that a criminal complaint gets filed in this matter. Thanks again and Godspeed. Mark
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/27/134053/26/479/426679
Updated: Juan Cole - Condi's Pakistan Plan in "Tatters" Hotlist
by TocqueDeville [Subscribe]
Thu Dec 27, 2007 at 11:11:48 AM PST
As I was reading through the current recommended Bhutto assassination diary, and specifically its comments, I realized I had nothing intelligent to add to the discussion because I simply don't know enough about Pakistan. I also realized most commenters didn't know much either. So I went searching for an informed source who could bring clarity to this situation. Juan Cole never disappoints.
First, what we already know:
Benazir Bhutto, the leader of the Pakistan People's Party, has been assassinated at a rally held Thursday evening near Islamabad. She appears to have been shot by the assassin, who was wearing a suicide bomb belt, which he then detonated to make sure he had finished the job. The Bhuttos are sort of the Kennedys of Pakistan, marked by wealth, power and tragedy, and central to the country's politics for the past four decades.
* TocqueDeville's diary :: ::
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Now, what we may not have known, and perhaps still don't:
The Pakistani authorities are blaming Muslim militants for the assassination. That is possible, but everyone in Pakistan remembers that it was the military intelligence, or Inter-Services Intelligence, that promoted Muslim militancy in the two decades before September 11 as a wedge against India in Afghanistan and Kashmir.
This is an important point. The line that separates the ISI and the Muslim militancy is blurred. Nothing is simple. Many groups and many motives. In other words, we will probably never know who was behind this assassination for certain. Regardless of what you hear on the teevee.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/27/131851/65/263/426879
Lady Dawn, Like I said I've been reading "Living History", a Christmas present. It makes me so mad that the American people bought into the whole crap about the Clinton's.
I can't think of anything more fitting would be to put a Clinton back in just to let them know they did not win. Lying, Cheatin, Stealin never works. They get what they deserve.
Bill and Hillary are truly statesman. They were brought up just like the average people in America and chose public service. The thanks they got was Whitewater, countless investigations, when one prosecuter didn't find what they wanted they hired another. They wasted millions of tax payers money to try to convict them, especially Hillary. They did not like her from the start. She did not fit the mold of a First Lady. She had her own aspirations and why shouldn't she this is supposed to be America.
Oh yes, it made national news and it is on snopes.com. the lamp controversery. I also hear about that incident at my very red work.
Has anyone seen the last Iowa polls?
The NYT reported that US Secretary of State Condi Rice tried to fix Musharraf's subsequent dwindling legitimacy by arranging for Benazir to return to Pakistan to run for prime minister, with Musharraf agreeing to resign from the military and become a civilian president. When the supreme court seemed likely to interfere with his remaining president, he arrested the justices, dismissed them, and replaced them with more pliant jurists. This move threatened to scuttle the Rice Plan, since Benazir now faced the prospect of serving a dictator as his grand vizier, rather than being a proper prime minister.
With Benazir's assassination, the Rice Plan is in tatters and Bush administration policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan is tottering.
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Another Rice plan in tatters? Most of her plans don't even get this far. Exactly why did Chimpy ever pick someone whose main qualification was that she is a Russian expert? I never did get that one. But, she ,ust be a loyal neocon so it makes sense to someone.
White House faces hearing on CIA tapesWASHINGTON - The Bush administration has made its position clear in legal filings and now gets a chance to say it to a judge in open court: Hold off on inquiring about the destruction of CIA videotapes that showed suspected terrorists being interrogated.
U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy ordered the hearing Friday over the objection of the Justice Department after lawyers raised questions about the possibility that other evidence also might have been destroyed.
It seems that the White House can destroy data "At Will" even if it is requested by the Federal Courts and/or Congress. That it can obstruct justice by any means to get its desired result. This is called obstruction of justice.
If in a trial a Prosecutor held back or destroyed data "At Will" they would be brought up on charges. Look at the Duke case!
It Nixon would have destroyed the Watergate Tapes "At Will" defying the courts and Congress would he have faced impeachment? So does Bush being a better Totalitarian, has that right to defy the Trilogy of checks and balances? That Bush has Stalin like powers to do as he wishes without US having Constitutional protections. If he is allowed this right others behind him will expand it further.
Can you imagine what Romney would do with this corporate/political/religious united power?
Can someone ask the candidates, if they would use recess appointments to avoid Congressional oversight?
Corporations have merged politicians with its policies, and now it is merging its religion of corporate compassion, where all religions must adhere to the President "At Will." As ultimate parent of a nation the President will act like a Red Chinese Premier dictating its corporate socialistic agenda on the masses, where no one dares challenge him from the courts and/of the rubber stamp legislative branch.
In Iraq U.S. Generals are paying private Sunni militias to support the U.S. Could that not have been done while they were still in the Iraqi Army, before Bush fired all of them setting up his Bush Civil War Quagmire ? Now the U.S. pays the Central Government and a zillion other militias plus their Blackwater cowboys. These DynCops get paid better that the regular Armed Forces like Republican Halliburton Goliaths. This Republican welfare giveaway cost our children their inheritance, for Bush does not support helping Americans citizens here.
How many trillions has the Bush family cost this nation? How many lives will his legacy end up with?
I can't think of anything more fitting would be to put a Clinton back in just to let them know they did not win.
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I didn't agree with everything the Clintons did such as NAFTA but I would take them in a minute. The problem with the GOP is not just the obnoxious Chimp; he merely represents the worst of the conservative philosophy. The problem is conservatism itself. It's a total failure.
Sandy H, Sorry, I hadn't thought of Richardson, he'd be great. My Mom loved him. He's not very good at debates, so he sort of gets left out. But I am aware of how good he is, after all he worked for Bill. The last debate, you could see where they were all standing. Richardson, Hillary and Biden. The rest of the candidate were slightly separated. These three were standing very close.It also looked like they were standing there in solidarity.
Has anyone seen any polls today? My electricity was out for 3 hours today. I couldn't believe it, right in the middle of a huge news day.
Here's a social event that Harpo and the trolls just can't miss:
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We might as well prepare ourselves for the inevitable if GOP voter suppression wins out again and Mitt or Giulani opens those Blackwater detention camps.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 05:27 PM
The only one I saw was about Huckabee and Hillary being tied in Arkansas.
None others.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 05:02 PM
Hiya Floyd. That was Big Yellow Dog who posted a response to your posting but, I'll get my two cents in.
I have no major issue with either Sen. Clinton (D-NY) Sen. Obama (D-IL) getting the nomination. Sen. Clinton's electability does bother me though. I've seen a number of interviews with independents and moderate Republicans that indicate they would vote for our candidate as long as it is not HRC. IMHO, if she is elected, it'll be another 51% presidential term and we'll be just as polarized as we are now. And as much as I'd love to rub the GOP's collective noses in another Clinton presidency, the time for healing old wounds has to start somewhere.
Furthermore, an HRC candidacy will galvanize an already fractured GOP base. The Evangelicals are supporting Huckabee, the money worhsippers are supporting Romney, and the war mongerers are supporting either Giuliani or McCain. One or two of those groups will sit out the next election if we do not nominate HRC, IMHO.
Sen. Obama cannot run a fifty state strategy. He'd have to run a Kerry campaign, as would Sen. Clinton, but, this time, pick up OH or FL, with NM. The only one of the top three with a chance in our now very purple VA, and that can run a fifty state strategy, is former Sen. Edwards (D-NC).
In closing, when it comes down to it, we're in as much of a dilemma deciding our nominee as the GOP is. Do we vote our head with Sen. Clinton? Do we vote our heart with Sen. Obama? Or do we vote for electability in Sen. Edwards, Sen. Biden (D-DE), or Gov. Richardson (D-NM)? You gotta love election season. This is America. The decision is ours.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 05:27 PM
Here are 4 charts for R, D, IA, NH showing standings and trends as of 12-23-07. The dots are individual polls, the line is the average. There are also itemized details under each individual chart, if you click on them one at a time.
Evening, Dems. An interesting articlde from Firedog Lake:
Common Sense and the Politics of Benazir Bhutto’s Death
By: Swopa Thursday December 27, 2007 1:36 pm
I can't say I've seen every bit of coverage of today's assassination in Pakistan, but here's a question I haven't seen asked squarely: How did having 150,000 or so U.S. soldiers in Iraq (the supposed "central front in the war on terror") deter Benazir Bhutto's murder by (apparently) al-Qaeda? The answer, of course, is not at all -- and there's an important lesson there that needs to be injected into our national political conversation.
As Matt Yglesias wrote earlier this afternoon:
. . . it seems to me that we desperately need to break away from the "trouble abroad, let's turn to hawkier hawks!" mode of organizing our politics. After all, there was a strategic choice undertaken by the United States of America during the year 2002 to refocus our attention away from Central Asia and the Pakistan/Afghanistan area and toward the Persian Gulf. That was, of course, the "tough," "strong," "serious" thing to do.
Many readers will note that I've been beating this drum for more than two and a half years, writing about the basic distinction of bluster versus responsibility and the need to consciously rehabilitate and reclaim common sense as an approach for addressing policy issues, especially with regard to national security.
It's vitally important that we not just roll our eyes as GOP pols and their brain-dead courtiers in the media try to orchestrate "conventional wisdom" that more boastful hawkishness is the answer to the problems boastful hawkishness has created, saying "how dare they" or "we expected that." We need to make clear, even to bedrock-stupid pundits like Andrew Sullivan, that talking tough for its own sake brings not safety or order, but chaos -- as the events of not just today but the past four and a half years make abundantly clear.
We need to start asserting the value of thinking about what works, not just what sounds like the most macho response. How many more catastrophes do we need before we stop cleaning out the genuine experts from our government in favor of those who assert that they "understand the stakes" and make decisions "from their gut"? Those posturing phonies pretend that such claims make them more "authentic," moral, and tough... but they're nothing of the sort. They are, however, authentically dangerous.
I just got an email from my Repuke Cousin (X Navy Cpt) whom I do love but when I told him I was probably voting for Hillary he told me he'd rather vote for NIXON than her. HA!
Anyway he sent me this photo. HAHA! He won't be laughing in 08. Then I sent him a very informative email and my OWN pic for him!!
Sorry Bob that I got you two mixed up.
My heart will never be with Obama, I want a President that will vote, not one that sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. Then if he can't figure it out the just votes present.
I know the Clinton campaign has recently brought his voting record out, but I looked up his voting record up way before it became suppertime news.
I do not LIKE what Axelrod has said about the votes that Hillary and a whole lot of other Senators voted on going to war with iraq. He was a state senator at the time and unable to vote. So I believe he should keep his mouth shut. Axelrod needs to apoligize to Hillary for acusing Hillary of killing Bhutto.
You can bet your Rattlesnake boots that if Hillary would have alluded to that, she would've had to get on her knees and gruvel forgiveness. So it's time for Obama to give Hillary an apology. It's time now.
I agree with Rj, bushitas could very well have someting to do with Bhutto. Afterall, this will put fear in the American people again and who can protect us better that a reptile.
Hopefully, we have learned better, we can pray that we have learned, we can hope that we have learned, but I believe we better work hard to make sure we have learned better. GO HILLARY!!!!
wow I didn't think anyone on here was more opinionated than ME. hehe!
Sorry Connie. I guess you have your reasons. I don't dislike Obama. But I don't trust him. When he hired that flaming ANTI gay preacher and never explained WHY or if he DISavows his beliefs it made me think he is hostile to GAYS. I have many Gay friends and it didn't settle well with me. Still I'd vote for him over any R. Maybe.
Or do we vote for electability in Sen. Edwards, Sen. Biden (D-DE), or Gov. Richardson (D-NM)? You gotta love election season. This is America. The decision is ours.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Bob,
The second tier is looking better all the time.
I say let the MSM continue with their drama politics while the voters take notice of where the real talent lies. If the nation is looking for substance, and I think they are this time; we have an abundance of ideas and experience right at our finger tips.
The GOP has no candidate that meets that criteria. McCain is the only one who comes close, and he's turned to war as the only answer to any problem.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 05:52 PM
On the point about Axelrod, we are in complete agreement. Leave the mudslinging to the GOP. That's what they do best.
Or do we vote for electability in Sen. Edwards, Sen. Biden (D-DE), or Gov. Richardson (D-NM)? You gotta love election season. This is America. The decision is ours.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Bob,
The second tier is looking better all the time.
I say let the MSM continue with their drama politics while the voters take notice of where the real talent lies. If the nation is looking for substance, and I think they are this time; we have an abundance of ideas and experience right at our finger tips.
The GOP has no candidate that meets that criteria. McCain is the only one who comes close, and he's turned to war as the only answer to any problem.
oh also Connie
I saw your name on the Hill Blog a few days ago.
Did you see mine? (chuckle) I was reading one of the topics after posting a comment and went back to read and saw YOUR name!!
right on.
GO EDWARDS!
Yes, we all have our reasons and our candidates.
FAR OUT David Schuster is taking TUCKER's place today again! Love David!! He should take over that position PERMANENTLY!!!
I agree with Rj, bushitas could very well have someting to do with Bhutto. Afterall, this will put fear in the American people again and who can protect us better that a reptile.
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The reptiles are out there full force in the media along with their feckless shills such Chris Lardball Matthews. This will change the subject a bit for awhile but most Americans don't relate to events in Pakistan. Most could not even tell you about Bhutto. So, I think the subject will flop back to Iraq, health care and other topics soon enough.
FAR OUT David Schuster is taking TUCKER's place today again! Love David!! He should take over that position PERMANENTLY!!!
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 06:07 PM
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Agreed but did he need to have that disgusting neocon hack Cliff Mays on? Damn, I hate when we get a good moderator but still are stuck with right wing hack guests.
Well, well, my cousin even has his own website now!
verrrrrry interestink! lol
Posted by rjsnj on December 27, 2007 at 06:14 PM
I guess he has to follow TUCKER's format. Sadly.
Well Lady Dawn, I don't trust anybody that doesn't vote because he's afraid of having an opinon, then slams someone who does. I also have lots of gay friends and I'm not sure how he would vote for them either. I'm sure he wouldn't cause it would not be with the wind.
I can imagine that Hillary was truly upset over the death of Bhutto, because she worked side by side with her for women's rights in the 90's.
Of course, we only think we have rights in this country. Read the LIVING HISTORY and you wil find out we really don't.
McCain is touting his ability to run the country , yeah we'll be in more war. Hopefully, the people will know we cannot be the world policemen, not with my grandsons.
I guess he has to follow TUCKER's format. Sadly.
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 06:16 PM
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Dawn, that's no doubt true. Shame because I turned it off as soon as I seen Cliff Mays. I can't stomach that right wing neocon hack.
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 06:05 PM
Ain't that the truth. A Biden/Richardson, Richardson/Biden, or an Edwards/Anybody ticket would be almost unbeatable.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 27, 2007 at 05:46 PM
did you notice GORE on that list??? I hate when they do that. TEASERS!! But who would HIS 7 percent go to??? That is the question. I guess it's varied since I'm leaning Hillary and many others here who also like Gore are voting otherwise. Anyway it's not fair to add his name to a poll if he's not running. Don't cha think?
If Molotov cocktails are not to your liking, trolls, perhaps you'd like to attend a Global Warming event?
The Zoo kicks off the Year of the Frog with a day of frog-related games and craft activities. Visitors are invited to participate in a round of leapfrog. The fun highlights a not-so-fun reality: More than one-third of amphibian species are in danger of disappearing in our lifetimes
Posted by rjsnj on December 27, 2007 at 06:19 PM
my MOM is going deaf so I'm listening to MSNBC from HER room!! LOL (not watching it just hearing it)
while typing from my room down the hall.
MY TV is in the living room. (since I rarely watch it)
Gasoline could average $3.75 a gallon across the U.S. in a few months, pushing the price in California up and over the $4 mark, energy analysts said Wednesday.
Several factors point toward a nightmarish spring for motorists, they said, including persistently strong crude oil costs and the fact that the traditional December drop in pump prices didn't materialize.
"If anyone expects gas to be less than a new record, they are not thinking," said Fadel Gheit, senior energy analyst for Oppenheimer & Co. "There is no question it will be much higher than last year."
Americans will start 2008 paying about 65 cents more a gallon than they did in January 2007, according to the forecasts, and by April could see self-serve regular selling for $3.50 to $3.75 a gallon.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/27/analysts-expect-gas-pric_n_78395.html
hmmmmm say what???
Pat Buchanan just said he thinks HILLARY benefits from Bhutto's death. (YUCK how hideous to be talking like that already)
NEW YORK — The nation's retailers slashed prices further Wednesday in hopes that a post-Christmas shopping rush will salvage holiday sales that, so far, have fallen below even modest expectations. They're waiting in particular for legions of shoppers armed with gift cards to snap up bargains and buy new merchandise that has just hit store shelves.
Merchants in past years have received a late bounce during big clearance markdowns, and they find themselves again in the position of hoping that bargain-hunting consumers will come through in the end. Gift card sales are not recorded until shoppers redeem them.
Investors, however, are more pessimistic about this holiday season and the financial well-being of consumers in a challenging economic environment. Shares of most retailers fell Wednesday.
"Shoppers are thinking twice about what they are buying," said Jennifer Black, president of Jennifer Black & Associates, an equity research company in Lake Oswego, Ore. "There's a feeling of worry."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071227/post-christmas-shopping/
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 06:22 PM
hahahaha!
TROLL = amphibian (indeed)
Pat Buchanan just said he thinks HILLARY benefits from Bhutto's death. (YUCK how hideous to be talking like that already)
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 06:27 PM
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Dawn, I heard him say that. Supposedly, Clinton and McCain benefit. I doubt very much. I do agree with you that it's a bit ghoulish to be focusing on political impact of such an event. But, that's how politics is in this country.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Biden2008 on December 27, 2007 at 06:19 PM
My R Cousin said he'd vote for Richardson.
Apparently he thinks all the candidates from both sides are the same old Corn different Flakes. LOL
I think Biden just upped his chances for becoming VP or SOS
So it's time for Obama to give Hillary an apology. It's time now.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 05:52 PM
It's like a week before the caucus, connfloyd. Don't look for any apology or anyone backing down.
Clinton is not the nominee. She's a candidate and her people have been slinging as much mud as anyone else. She isn't apologizing for their conduct, so why should Obama?
Obama isn't my candidate either. But he has a right to fight back. No one deserves the nomination more than anyone else at this point... outside of those with the real experience who haven't be annoited by the corporate MSM.
Lady Dawn, I blog on so many different places, I just try to blog my feelings about the smut and the media bias against the Clintons.
What really gets me is that people, even the one here believe that if she doesn't win, the repugs are going to play nice.
Are you talking about Hillary's blog or some other?
The Miracle Of AmericaIf one must live in fear of being banned, and labeled a patriot Liberal Constitutionalist, Judged to be a threat to a Conservative extreme right wing corporatism - political religion, then our Free Speech has been redefined by Executive Privilege of "At Will" autocratic authority. That this Ben Franklin exterior is somehow a traitor to Bush Republican Corporate Reaganomics that demands “We the people” submit as a second class status to Conglomerate World interests is absurd. Our country was founded on small businesses, not Goliath monster dictators of White House power brokers selling off America's dream “At Will.” That somehow these CEO Robber Baron Enron tyrants are the “We the people” , who have to adopt their Katrina compassioned corporate religion that screws the heart of human compassion of God’s creation. That America has a Royal class of Corporate heritage taking away our birthright to being treated equal under this Constitutional Democracy. That they as Royals can come in and make us slaves to their wishes where “We the people” are serfs to the lord of the White House manor. This plantation of segregating US among classes of economic stature, the CEO’s and the sweatshop workers.
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Our Declaration’s Heart of Independence
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That no corporate interests will own US.Our country was founded and owned
By people of all classes of religion
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Using a commercial political religion.
As I was writing this, Microsoft Word started crashing and it was by a miracle that I saved this. I lost six to eight other works, including one about sailing your mind on the open waters. I see the automatic saves of Word but Word refused to open them saying they are incompatible to Word. There are saved Word files and they refuse to open them. Must be a Bush Blackwater security thing.
Create your own miracle and blesses this land with your divine words uniting US in holding each others hands as "We the people" Americans with Freedom's Liberty bell ringing proud.
Please explain to me someone what "extremist murderers" means. It's as if the White House is saying it's OK if it was a regular neocon murderer operating in Pakistan.
As if murderer are not all extreme? The World According to Spunky has taken absurdity to the max.
Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The liberal revolution is now...
Anyone remember who it was that was assasinated in Afganistan 2 day before 9-11. He was with the Northern Alliance. Bin Laden had him killed. This is kinda scary, its really scary when you think the idiot Bush is still in charge. Why cant we impeach him and Cheney? I'm for Nancy taking over till we can get Hillary there.
God save America's King
But please God, also save America's children
That they might again - dream of future's!
Did Bush Watch the Torture Tapes?The Times (London) Washington correspondent, Sarah Baxter, reporting with a summary of the developments in the case involving the CIA’s destruction of recordings of the treatment of Abu Zabaydah, points to the growing belief in Washington that President Bush viewed the torture tapes....
In this regards, the sequence of statements out of the White House is extremely revealing. It started with firm denials, then went silent and then pulled back rather sharply to a “President Bush has no present recollection of having seen the tapes.” This is a formulation frequently used to avoid perjury charges, a sort of way of saying “no” without really saying “no.”
(Bold mine.)
So perhaps it's now time for Bush to give us his personal review of these torture tapes and whether he feels they deserve a nomination for the Acadamey Awards this year? His own performance as the model of truth and justice and the American way has thus far been a little lackluster.
Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq 1,139,602
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
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Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America'sWar On Iraq 3,900http://icasualties.org/oif/
The War in Iraq Costs
$480,606,120,919
A little reminder of what is really going on !
Remember when it was they had WMDs?
Then it was they were building Nukes?
Then it was because they were training AlQaeda in their country?
Then it was because they were connected to 9/11?
Then finally, when none of it was true, it was to bring democracy to the people, whether they wanted it or not!
Well the above is what it cost us because of all those lies !
The World According to Spunky has taken absurdity to the max.
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 06:43 PM
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Sandy,
I truly wish that the Chimpenfuhrer would just shut up.
Anyone remember who it was that was assasinated in Afganistan 2 day before 9-11. He was with the Northern Alliance.
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connfloyd,
I think this is the person:
Ahmad Shah Massoud (Persian: احمد شاه مسعود) (c. September 2, 1953 – September 9, 2001) was an ethnic Tajik from Afghanistan and a Kabul University engineering student turned military leader who played a leading role in driving the Soviet army out of Afghanistan, earning him the nickname "Lion of Panjshir". His supporters call him "Amer Sahib e Shaheed", translating to "Our Martyred Commander".
He became Defense Minister of Afghanistan in 1992 under President Burhanuddin Rabbani. Following the collapse of Rabbani's government and the rise of the Taliban regime, Massoud became the military leader of the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan. In September 2001 Massoud was assassinated by al-Qaeda agents, allegedly with the complicity of Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, and the following year he was named "National Hero" by the order of Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai.
Biden is on "Crossfire" explaining what Bush doesn't understand about Pakistan and Russia. And the entire GOP presidential field knows even less than what Spunky does.
We need a President we can trust and respect. Just sombody who is well informed or willing to learn would be a treat. When the MSM needs an expert in a crisis situation, have you noticed they never interview a Republican?
A Song for the Fine Folks at CIGNA
The ugly truth about managed care came blasting out of Northridge, CA last week when Nataline Sarkisyan died while waiting for a liver transplant that CIGNA had initially refused to pay for, and reversed course too far past the eleventh hour in response to a righteous public outcry.
CIGNA's unfortunate slogan "A Business of Caring" sums it up -- when caring gets tied up with business, the time eventually comes when someone must choose between the two. Like a poker player on a draw, CIGNA calculated their chances of winning the hand, compared their bet with the size of the pot, and decided a fold was in order. That's fine and good for cards and chips -- not for people.
That's what we wrote and recorded our song about this week. Here is "The Business of Disregard".\\\
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-and-the-marginalized/a-song-for-the-fine-folks_b_78466.html
rj,
Whatever happened to the Northern Alliance? Did Bush disband them? He's always turning allies into enemies.
Harpo needs to get the hell off our democratic blog. no fascists allowed
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 06:37 PM
On her blog. (sorry I was in the other room watching the last of Schuster) Ed Schultz needs some mental help. He's bowing down to his call in people the same way Lou blob is with his On-line poll people. The same people call in all the time.
The world is MUCH bigger than just their little world of choir singer call-ins. It would be nice if they bothered to at LEAST pretended to be unbiased and to INFORM themselves beyond their own little scope of hang ups.
And all the DIGS on corporations is getting old too. I happen to LIKE NEwman's OWN, Microsoft, Charter TV and many other GOOD BLUE corporations. I don't WANT them to be hurt because some of us have some vendettas against a nameless faceless OIL COMPANY. Not all corporations are EVIL.
Holy crap! WHY would you AGAIN repost your illiterate booze infused diatribe For The FOURTH TIME, after having it deleted 3 freaking times? Believe me, the clean-up crew was only making you look "better"; but you are SO proud of nonsense like
See, what did I tell you, you have one track filthy minded withered old Connecticut snag.
and "think" through your alcoholic haze that you can pull off being a smart adult.
NOW you will fall into the default mode of "I was attacked so I can make up shit about people wearing diapers and bestiality and act like an 8 year old because someone was mean to me...I'll show THEM!"
Yeah, you'll show us just how rapidly you revert to a child.
Get help.
Whatever happened to the Northern Alliance?
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Sandy, that's a good question. This is what I can find (United Front appears to be another name for the Northern Alliance):
The United Front was extremely influential in the transitional Afghan Government of Hamid Karzai. Notably, Mohammed Fahim became the Vice President and Minister of Defence, Yunus Qanuni became the Minister of Education and Security Advisor and Dr Abdullah became the Foreign Minister. Most foreign observers expected this dominance to continue and for Fahim or Qanuni to be selected as Karzai's Vice President in the 2004 elections. However, Karzai instead selected Ahmad Zia Massoud, younger brother of the former United Front leader Ahmad Shah Massoud. Karzai easily won the 2004 Presidential election with 55.4% of the vote, followed by three former leaders of the UIF, Quanuni (16.3%), Mohaqiq (11.7%) and Dostum (10%).
The majority of the alliance is now part of the United National Front (Afghanistan) which is led by Rabbani and includes many former leaders of the UIF such as Parliamentary Speaker Yunus Qanuni, Mohammed Fahim, Abdul Rashid Dostum, and Vice President Ahmad Zia Massoud. The United National Front has positioned itself as a "loyal" opposition to Karzai. A number of former UIF members are however loyal to Karzai, notably Abdul Sayyaf.
Some of the military strength of the UIF has now been absorbed into the Military of Afghanistan, while much of the remaining soldiers were disarmed throught a nationwide disarmament program. The existence and strength of the Afghan National Army has significantly reduced the threat of the former UIF elements attempting to use military action against the new NATO-backed government. Most of the country's senior military personell are former members of the UIF, including Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak and General Bismillah Khan.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 27, 2007 at 07:21 PM
lmao we'll probably find out at some later date that all these TROLLS are blogging from PRISON!
Someone needs to change the prison policies. NO MORE COMPUTER TIME for the jailbait pencil dicks!
harpo Quick get the dart gun and straight jacket and someone call the keepers... we need to up his meds.
so yoiu agree you are sick fascists iam a good democrat not socialist
These trolls have nothing in their lives to look forward except watching us democrats take away their power. I guess blogging meaningless crap on this blog is a way of feeling better about their sick little selves.
Posted by connfloyd on December 27, 2007 at 07:36 PM
that was very magnanimous of you Connie! Giving them credit for having "FEELINGS"
wow! (ribrib) lol
EPA is to reveal greenhouse gas papers
EPA Prepares to Provide Documents on California Greenhouse Gas Decision
H. JOSEF HEBERT
AP News
Dec 27, 2007 15:54 EST
The Environmental Protection Agency on Thursday signaled it is prepared to comply with a congressional request for all documents — including communications with the White House — concerning its decision to block California from imposing limits on greenhouse gases.
The EPA's general counsel directed agency employees in a memo to preserve and produce all documents related to the decision including any opposing views and communications between senior EPA officials and the White House, including Vice President Dick Cheney's office.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/12/epa_is_to_reveal_greenhouse_ga.php
wooHOO finally no more hour long ODD BALL tonight
Source: MSNBC
http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com /
"Keith will be in for a special Countdown tonight at 8p ET. We'll be all over the developements in Pakistan, Washington and beyond in the wake of the Benazir Bhutto assassination. Please join us."
Read more: http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com /
dusty you have to understand that sally and harpo and pUSs, who may in fact be the same asshole, are racists, homophobes and hitler apologists. this has been their stance for many months here and it is consistent with their views on so many issues affecting the people of the world.
on a seperate note i have to say that all and any presidential candidates of any stripe who feel that less than 24 hours after bhutto's assassination we should reflect on what it means for their future is akin to a prom king being concerned about the death of the debating team in a bus crash impacting on his chance to show off his tux. shut up. pay attention and let us know in a few days how you think this event will affect the nations of the world.
ms. bhutto was more heroic and taking more personal risk with her own life than bush, cheney, or any of the candidates on either side ever has with the exception possibly of mccain.
So, do you think that John Edwards getting hooked up with a younger, prettier, non Dumpy gal and then getting her knocked up while his wife is dying helps or hurts his campaign?
Yeah, you'll show us just how rapidly you revert to a child.Get help.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 27, 2007 at 07:21 PM
LOL. You notice how this weirdo, who likes to think he is so cool, so superior, sounds just like when we were in 8th grade and the class rejects were trying to act like that? And the entire class knew what a immature idiot they were?
Wonder where all HIS wonderful, Stepford Children were on Christmas eve and Christmas day while he was blogging? Where all those family and friends were? Funny how the only ones spending their holiday on here were these losers ! Says SO much about them and their lives.
Guess who looked like Eddie Haskell back in the 1960's...and still acts like him even now?
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2527493
Notice that Jeb has his arm around Poppy and Bush is standing down the line holding a cigarette...in a family Christmas card no less.
"in a world of peace"...Support UNICEF. Bush Sr. still believed in the UN? Spunky thought it was an oil company?
Babs looks like the Queen Mother holding her purse at an official event...shortly before she died at age 100.
are racists, homophobes
Posted by gregg on December 27, 2007 at 07:44 PM
Homophobes is the wrong word, it implies fear of getting choked with a thong or pummeled with a purse.
Homodisgustus is the proper word.
Posted by FrostyTheMagnificent on December 27, 2007 at 07:46 PM
We all know you wish Edwards would give you a second glance. Don't let your jealousy show.
The State Department is already pushing Musharraf to push ahead with the elections in two weeks, but it's hard to imagine how they could provide any legitimacy. And the other main player in the election drama of the last few months, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharrif, has already denounced Musharraf and the election:
"The holding of fair and free elections is not possible in the presence of Pervez Musharraf," [Sharif] said. "Musharraf is the cause of all the problems. The federation of Pakistan cannot remain intact in the presence of President Musharraf," he told a news conference.
"After the killing of Benazir Bhutto, I announce that the Pakistan Muslim League-N will boycott the elections," Sharif said. "I demand that Musharraf should quit immediately."
There's a strong likelihood that the military will hold a coup and and replace Musharraf with another general. Almost two months ago, analyst Vali Nasr—whose The Shia Revival: How Conflicts Within Islam Will Shape the Future I strongly recommend—had already declared removing Musharraf from power a necessity:
Musharraf's interests are no longer those of his military, and the two are now on a collision course. Generals can still end this crisis by going back to the deal Washington brokered with Ms. Bhutto, but only if it does not include Musharraf. Removing Musharraf will send demonstrators home and the Army to its barracks.
The longer Musharraf stays in power the more Pakistan will look like Iran in 1979: an isolated and unpopular ruler hanging on to power only to inflame passions and bring together his Islamic and pro-democracy opposition into a dangerous alliance.
A disastrous outcome in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state with weak institutions and rife with extremist ideologies, violence, and deep ethnic and social divisions, will be far worse than what followed the Iranian revolution.
That may be a bit too dire an assessment, as the middle class appears to be fully committed to a secular government; Juan Cole's take is that the conflict in Pakistan is more between the cities and the countryside (which wouldn't be much different from what happened in the Balkan wars). But whatever the case, it would be hard to argue with this observation by a Chatham House analyst:
This is not the first crisis Pakistan has faced since its inception in 1947, but I would be inclined to say that it is the worst convergence of crises we have seen.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/27/194418/67/129/427005
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What a mess!
we used to ignore trolls and it worked. i think it would be good to give that another shot after the months of inane back and forth with them of which i have certainly been a part. and so yes, no ice cream for me either.
i watched biden speak about bhutto, he spoke about her, not himself and he was not eloquent but he was on target and clear...maybe we should take his candidacy more seriously than we have...here is the clip:
Imao we'll probably find out at some later date that all these TROLLS are blogging from PRISON!
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 07:25 PM
dawn,
More likely they are blogging from a stall of a public restroom of some airport?
lmao we'll probably find out at some later date that all these TROLLS are blogging from PRISON!
...
Posted by Ladydawn on December 27, 2007 at 07:25 PM
That thought occurred to me when they ALL spent the ENTIRE time from when the moderators left on the 23rd and they started with the bestiality / diapers / poo / stun gun / tranquilizer rifle etc. crap and kept it up ALL through the evening of the 23rd, ALL through Christrmas eve into the night until sun-up and ALL through Christmas DAY and didn't stop until the administrators were to be here on the 26th.
There HAS GOT to be a reason that they didn't spend 1 minute with friends or family. Are they barred from interacting with children or are they just locked up just for general assholishness?
It's sad in a way that they have NOBODY other than their cyber-troll buddies to consider as "friends" but they ALL brought that on themselves. (Actually, some are dopplegangers. 1 guy masquerading as several).
The people who actually know them want nothing to do with them.
Karma is a bitch, and they found out what "As ye reap, so shall ye sow" really means.
Ravioli is ready to get dropped into the water. BBL.
speaking of immature childish trolls, don't you think that is getting old, Stevie?
You Really need to get some new material. Your crap from 3 years has had it's day. Too bad you did not get your Father's sense of humor
Loggin out Dems.
blog ya tomorrow !!
Posted by rjsnj on December 27, 2007 at 07:22 PM
rj,
Thanks for the info. It appears that the Northern Alliance fighters has been swallowed up into the army or disarmed. I wonder if they have really gone away as a potential poltical force. The fact that they still exist as the "loyal opposition" gives one pause.
speaking of immature childish trolls, don't you think that is getting old, Stevie?
Posted by PamB on December 27, 2007 at 08:05 PM
No old CT slug. DoPeyD says this is the 3rd most visited political blog on the internet. So there is a vast number of new readers at all times. Some may not have had an opportunity to answer the question yet.
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 06:43 PM Hi Sandy,...I don't think anyone is ever truly qualified to assume the responibilities of the presidency when first elected. Some grow and mature into the office and become good presidents. A few even become great presidents. Others fail and never rise to the challenges of the office and sink to the bottom. George Bush has cemented his legacy as the worst bottom feeder to ever reside inside the Oval Office...
Posted by gregg on December 27, 2007 at 07:54 PM
gregg,
Biden certainly understands the situation from all angles. Strange that the White House didn't trot out Condi to explain matters today. The Secretary of State has traditionally been the expert in foreign affairs.
I'm personally thrilled that Dana Perino was not asked about the death of Bhutto's father. She probably doesn't realize that he was assassinated, too.
The nation has been embarrassed by members of this administration far too many times.
Good night, folks.
An Ct is not necessarily an abbreviation for Connecticut when addressing PamB.
Posted by goodfoe on December 27, 2007 at 08:11 PM
Good observation, john boy.
Some rise to the occasion.
Huckabee would find a way to capitalize on it. That public relations flak is no holy man. I hope he ends up someplace on the GOP ticket so he can be properly exposed as a fraud.
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 08:20 PM
I agree, Sandy, have a nice evening, I'm gonzo too....Later....maybe....maybe not.....
Happy Holidays Pam, Sandy, JohnBoy and rj,
We just got back from San Antonio with only one delay. The airline's computer went down in San Antonio. San Antonio is really growing but their traffic planner should be fired. There is lots of urban sprawl and the streets just can't handle it. They need to ding the developers for the bucks to add and improve streets and traffic controls. Apparently they are repukes that run the city because they are talking about putting in a toll road. Great planning. NOT.
Our son and his wife are diehard repukes. Our son said "we like bush". WTF. We surely did a lousy job making him see the light at a young age. Hopefully he will grow out of it.
It appears that cheney and bush took their eye off the ball and got Bhutto blown away. I just wonder if the CIA was involved with cheney's blessing.
sandyh, IT was Axelrod that equated that Hillary Clinton killed Bhutto. Maybe you should listen to what he has said.
There are some things that should not be said for the advantage of politics or anything else.
I personally think that equating the Iraq vote to the death of Bhutto is a little far fetched. I then to go on to say she would have to answer toit because of the blood on her hands is reprihensible.
Hillary Clinton knew her and spent time with her and her children and if you'd have watched her talk about her death this am, you would have realized she was definitely upset. Of coarse some ass hole in the audience asked her how this was going to affect the caucas, she replied she did not want to comment on this now, at this sad time,
Not the rest of peronas out there. they were ready to get some movement in their sad campaigns with the news. HILLARY 08"
Don't feel bad Johnedward, my son and his wife are republicans too. I don't know what I did. I think he must married into that insanity.
What's you take on the Bhutto assasination? What is the best idea to go forward now.
Dodd was on Keith and he didn't have a good idea with the exception of waiting for a while to let things simmer down.
I recovered my files and found 2/3 of the files are codes, Http://, and notes for pastes. Why it is a history of the whole Word document for those that look inside the hidden coding. I had about forty Word Files for this month, none of which Word would open up. That is why when you post things they can trace it down to one computer using one email address, and after four days have your whole profile set up on a main frame. That is why they have so many people on lists. In fact the Federal Government know what cell phone you use especially if you get your email and with GPS and phone triangulation know where everyone is. When police without warrants can "At Will" can locate your cell phone and track your path. With GPS cars and rental cars they can track you minute by minute "At Will" the government and the rental company. Big Brother is already here where you are given a Federal ID number with your SSN in it.
All you have to do is get a NASA log and they have you 24/7 for at least two years.
Congress those CIA tapes leaves a trace on every computer, all you have to do is trace them and then talk to the people who use these computers. A few of them are in the white House itself.
Do you ever wonder what would happen if everyone just stopped engaging the "trolls"?
They are a pitiful lot and only deserving of a sorrowful, apologetic discussion with Jesus Christ, the ultimate liberal.
I pray that the world can stop the hatred that killed Prime Minister Bhutto...the same hatred possessed by the trolls.
Back to the holidays for me...
Peace to all.
harpo the bigest bullshiter in the blogwhat do for a real job and what life if your on here acting like you are the big racit and hate democrats that not a life
They are a pitiful lot and only deserving of a sorrowful, apologetic discussion with Jesus Christ, the ultimate liberal.
I pray that the world can stop the hatred that killed Prime Minister Bhutto...the same hatred possessed by the trolls.
Back to the holidays for me...
Peace to all.
Posted by BlueinIdaho on December 27, 2007 at 09:36 PM
This from a dim bulb who would have us believe she is a lawyer.
funny shit from the christian right wing...prosperity churches...and amalgam of snake oil, ayn randism and "how much do you believism"...
(AP) -- The message flickered into Cindy Fleenor's living room each night: Be faithful in how you live and how you give, the television preachers said, and God will shower you with material riches.
And so the 53-year-old accountant from the Tampa, Florida, area pledged $500 a year to Joyce Meyer, the evangelist whose frank talk about recovering from childhood sexual abuse was so inspirational. She wrote checks to flamboyant faith healer Benny Hinn and a local preacher-made-good, Paula White.
Only the blessings didn't come. Fleenor ended up borrowing money from friends and payday loan companies just to buy groceries. At first she believed the explanation given on television: Her faith wasn't strong enough.
"I wanted to believe God wanted to do something great with me like he was doing with them," she said. "I'm angry and bitter about it. Right now, I don't watch anyone on TV hardly."
All three of the groups Fleenor supported are among six major Christian television ministries under scrutiny by a senator who is asking questions about the evangelists' lavish spending and possible abuses of their tax-exempt status.
The probe by Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, has brought new scrutiny to the underlying belief that brings in millions of dollars and fills churches from Atlanta to Los Angeles -- the "Gospel of Prosperity," or the notion that God wants to bless the faithful with earthly riches.
All six ministries under investigation preach the prosperity gospel to varying degrees.
Proponents call it a biblically sound message of hope. Others say it is a distortion that makes evangelists rich and preys on the vulnerable. They say it has evolved from "it's all right to make money" to it's all right for the pastor to drive a Bentley, live in an oceanside home and travel by private jet.
Don't Miss
* Televangelist refuses to turn over more financial documents
"More and more people are desperate and grasping at straws and want something that will alleviate their pain or financial crisis," said Michael Palmer, dean of the divinity school at Regent University, founded by Pat Robertson. "It's a growing problem."
The modern-day prosperity movement can largely be traced back to evangelist Oral Roberts' teachings. Roberts' disciples have spread his theology and vocabulary (Roberts and other evangelists, such as Meyer, call their donors "partners.") And several popular prosperity preachers, including some now under investigation, have served on the Oral Roberts University board.
Grassley is asking the ministries for financial records on salaries, spending practices, private jets and other perks. The investigation, coupled with a financial scandal at ORU that forced out Roberts' son and heir, Richard, has some wondering whether the prosperity gospel is facing a day of reckoning.
While few expect the movement to disappear, the scrutiny could force greater financial transparency and oversight in a movement known for secrecy.
Most scholars trace the origins of prosperity theology to E.W. Kenyon, an evangelical pastor from the first half of the 20th century.
But it wasn't until the postwar era -- and a pair of evangelists from Tulsa, Oklahoma -- that "health and wealth" theology became a fixture in Pentecostal and charismatic churches.
Oral Roberts and Kenneth Hagin -- and later, Kenneth Copeland -- trained tens of thousands of evangelists with a message that resonated with an emerging middle class, said David Edwin Harrell Jr., a Roberts biographer. Copeland is among those now being investigated.
"What Oral did was develop a theology that made it OK to prosper," Harrell said. "He let Pentecostals be faithful to the old-time truths their grandparents embraced and be part of the modern world, where they could have good jobs and make money."
The teachings took on various names -- "Name It and Claim It," "Word of Faith," the prosperity gospel.
Prosperity preachers say that it isn't all about money -- that God's blessings extend to health, relationships and being well-off enough to help others.
They have Bible verses at the ready to make their case. One oft-cited verse, in Paul's Second Epistle to the Corinthians, reads: "Yet for your sakes he became poor, that you by his poverty might become rich."
Critics acknowledge the idea that God wants to bless his followers has a Biblical basis, but say prosperity preachers take verses out of context. The prosperity crowd also fails to acknowledge Biblical accounts that show God doesn't always reward faithful believers, Palmer said.
The Book of Job is a case study in piety unrewarded, and a chapter in the Book of Hebrews includes a litany of believers who were tortured and martyred, Palmer said.
Yet the prosperity gospel continues to draw crowds, particularly lower- and middle-income people who, critics say, have the greatest motivation and the most to lose. The prosperity message is spreading to black churches, attracting elderly people with disposable incomes, and reaching huge churches in Africa and other developing parts of the world.
One of the teaching's attractions is that it doesn't dwell on traditional Christian themes of heaven and hell but on answering pressing concerns of the here and now, said Brian McLaren, a liberal evangelical author and pastor.
But the prosperity gospel, McLaren said, not only preys on the hope of the vulnerable, it puts too much emphasis on individual success and happiness.
"We've pretty much ignored what the Bible says about systemic injustice," he said.
The checks and balances central to Christian denominations are largely lacking in prosperity churches. One of the pastors in the Grassley probe, Bishop Eddie Long of suburban Atlanta, has written that God told him to get rid of the "ungodly governmental structure" of a deacon board.
Some ministers hold up their own wealth as evidence that the teaching works. Atlanta-area pastor Creflo Dollar, who is fighting Grassley's inquiry, owns a Rolls Royce and multimillion-dollar homes and travels in a church-owned Learjet.
In a letter to Grassley, Dollar's attorney calls the prosperity gospel a "deeply held religious belief" grounded in Scripture and therefore a protected religious freedom. Grassley has said his probe is not about theology.
But even some prosperity gospel critics -- like the Rev. Adam Hamilton of 15,000-member United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in suburban Kansas City, Missouri -- say that the investigation is entering a minefield.
"How do you determine how much money a minister like this is able to make when the basic theology is that wealth is OK?" said Hamilton, an Oral Roberts graduate who later left the charismatic movement. "That gets into theological questions."
There is evidence of change. Joyce Meyer Ministries, for one, enacted financial reforms in recent years, including making audited financial statements public.
Meyer, who has promised to cooperate fully with Grassley, issued a statement emphasizing that a prosperity gospel "that solely equates blessing with financial gain is out of balance and could damage a person's walk with God."
...time for churches to pay taxes...way past time...
speaking of nut ball christians i am so upset we won't get to read britney's mom's book on christian parenting but at least i am relieved she will cash in on the kid being knocked up...not so for pops, he has to sling hash for some rich folks just to keep himself in tasseled shoes...
Reuters: "Actress Jamie Lynn Spears and her mother, Lynne, were paid about $1 million by OK! magazine for the exclusive story on her pregnancy, with options to purchase additional material, including first pictures of the baby. "Lynne knew OK! would pay the most," says a source. "It was her decision" - US
- The father of Britney and Jamie Lynn Spears is furious with his ex-wife's decision to cash in on their 16-year-old daughter's pregnancy. "He doesn't get a dime from his daughters," a source said. Jamie has been working as a private chef to make a living, the source added, while ex-wife Lynne arranged the $1 million deal with OK! magazine, for which she will take a cut. Lynne also receives a percentage of her daughters' salaries"
interesting review of a book on climate change and hurricnnes:
A Scientific Tempest
James P. Kossin
Storm World: Hurricanes, Politics, and the Battle over Global Warming. Chris Mooney.
Most scientists specializing in hurricane studies work primarily to increase their physical understanding of the dynamics and thermodynamics of hurricanes and to improve the ability of meteorologists to forecast a storm's track and intensity. Until recently, only a few of them were involved in research related to climate change, but over the past few years, the topic has received a great deal more attention. Interest in it has been piqued by an increase in North Atlantic hurricane activity.
A comparatively quiet period for hurricanes in the 1970s and 1980s came to an abrupt end with the very tempestuous season of 1995, and since that time, activity has in general been unusually high. Of particular note, in 2004 Florida was struck by no fewer than five named storms, and the 2005 season was the most active on record. The devastation brought about by Hurricane Katrina that summer and the record-breaking intensity of Hurricane Wilma just two months later focused the public's attention on hurricanes.
Questions quickly began to surface. Was global warming contributing to upward shifts in hurricane intensity and frequency? If so, how much of this upsurge could be attributed to human activity? Sea-surface temperatures, known to be important to hurricane strength, had been anomalously high in the tropical Atlantic in recent years. Two articles statistically linking those warm temperatures to hurricane activity appeared around the time of Katrina's landfall: In the August 4 issue of Nature, Kerry Emanuel showed a correlation between Atlantic sea-surface temperatures and what he referred to as the power dissipation index (a measure of storm activity that depends on the frequency, duration and strength of storms). And in the September 16 issue of Science, Peter Webster and colleagues maintained that the number of the most intense hurricanes was increasing—a pattern that also followed rising water temperatures.
The implicit take-away message from the articles was that global warming was contributing to the increases in ocean temperatures in the Atlantic, which in turn were fueling hurricane activity. These two publications stimulated a significant and often heated scientific debate, which became fodder for the media during the aftermath of Katrina and for the remainder of the hyperactive 2005 season. As public interest in the topic grew, so did the number of scientists taking an interest in the question of whether climate change was behind all this hurricane activity. Hurricane research, previously somewhat provincial, became more global in scope and acquired a new sense of urgency.
The influx of new researchers and the heightened awareness of the social and economic consequences of any increase in the frequency and intensity of storms brought with it a level of debate not previously seen in the community of hurricane scientists. The big questions were these: Is hurricane activity increasing in concert with global temperatures, or are we just witnessing the crest of a natural cycle? And if hurricane activity is in fact increasing as the world warms, just how much of the increase can one pin on anthropogenic influences? Animosity and open hostility sometimes arose between scientists whose positions on these questions differed, and some disparaging statements found their way into the press. At its lowest points, the discussion degenerated into name calling and ad hominem attacks.
In Storm World, journalist Chris Mooney carefully guides the reader through this turbulent sea with a refreshing combination of objectivity and humanity. Like most good stories, this one has its share of interesting characters, and Mooney describes them with evenhandedness and, in many cases, humor. In describing a debate characterized by lines drawn in the sand, Mooney seems to step effortlessly between the two sides, providing a fair and unbiased view of the issues.
The book begins with a brief but accessible introduction to the physics of hurricanes and offers a concise history of the field. Because the science is largely rooted in the mathematical formulations of fluid dynamics but also relies heavily on empiricism to advance understanding and improve forecasting, the field has always had the right ingredients for conflict between scientists from opposing camps. Mooney does an admirable job of describing this long-standing "theory versus empiricism" dichotomy, thereby setting the stage for the more contentious debates in the post-Katrina era.
The remainder of the book is devoted to a nuanced account of the major areas of disagreement over the possible effects of global warming on hurricanes. Much of the controversy has arisen from questions about the accuracy of the historical records of tropical cyclones—a generic term that encompasses the hurricanes of the North Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific and the typhoons of the Western North Pacific as well as the cyclones of the Northern Indian Ocean and the Southern Hemisphere. Various international governmental agencies record the positions and strengths of active tropical cyclones every 6 hours, and then at the end of each year, these records are appended to a historical archive. However, the collection of this data was never designed for the consideration of long-term trends. These records are heterogeneous in that the presence and intensity of storms was measured using the best means available at the time. But because the technology for doing so evolved and improved over the years, time-dependent biases may have crept into the data, resulting in spurious trends that reflect only improvements in technology rather than actual changes in storm frequency or strength.
Although research addressing problems of incompleteness and heterogeneity of the data is progressing rapidly, a high level of uncertainty remains about the accuracy of the long-term records, leaving unsettled the question of whether the apparent upward trend in activity is real. Adding to the challenge, the less eventful 2006 and 2007 North Atlantic hurricane seasons have underscored the random aspect of seasonal hurricane activity. This sort of year-to-year variation makes it more difficult to isolate the long-term trend in the hurricane record, particularly given the brief period for which good data are available.
Also controversial are the theoretical underpinnings of the suggested link between tropical cyclone activity and the reported anthropogenic warming of the tropical oceans. The physical connection between the surface temperature of the sea, which is inching upward globally, and the intensity of the storms that travel over and extract their energy from the warmer waters is only one part of a larger picture. Warming temperatures also affect regional patterns of atmospheric circulation, which in turn affect the number, location, duration and intensity of storms. The fact that climate change affects the circulation patterns as well as sea-surface temperatures makes the connection between hurricanes and climate change much more complicated, and this complexity introduces a great deal of uncertainty into efforts to predict the future. This uncertainty is a main source of disagreement between those who say that heightened hurricane activity will endure indefinitely and those who believe that it will continue to rise and fall in a manner that pretty much resembles the pattern of decades past.
Ideally, as evidence mounts and the physical understanding of the problem increases, meteorologists will eventually reach consensus. In the meantime, expect much scientific and political battling. The interplay among science, politics and media coverage is skillfully fleshed out in Storm World, and perhaps most important, the level of uncertainty in this rapidly evolving field is presented in an accurate and nonpartisan manner.
I strongly recommend the book to anyone who is seeking a better understanding of the issues involved or who enjoys a good story with interesting characters. Mooney has crafted a surprisingly accessible book that presents the relevant facts of a complicated issue while being fun to read.
Reviewer Information
James P. Kossin is a research scientist specializing in hurricane studies and tropical meteorology at the Cooperative Institute for Meteorological Satellite Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
hahahaaha, tough turds for the rich. now lets pass legislation to tax the shit out of the profits of these hedge hogs and use the money to provide health care and quality public education for the masses...and we can throw in those taxes we'll impose on houses of worship as well!
WSJ
Hedge Funds Feeling Pinch on Credit, Too
By Gregory Zuckerman and Alistair MacDonald
It isn't just consumers who are having a harder time getting credit from lenders.
It's hedge funds, too.
Investment banks are cutting back on loans to hedge funds, eliminating some clients and raising borrowing fees for others. The lenders are slimming their balance sheets after heavy losses in the debt markets in recent months. And, after taking multibillion-dollar write-downs, they also are becoming more cautious as the economy slows, according to people familiar with the situation.
"Banks aren't in a position to be accommodating at the moment," said Michael Hintze, chief executive of CQS, a London-based hedge fund...
well time for bed. see you all in the morning and we shall see what news this troubled world brings us...
Posted by gregg on December 27, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Was that an interesting story on the hokum of global frickin warmin greggy? You didn't really expect anyone to read all that crap did you?
I see greggy has quit grumbling about the "trolls" not being holy enough on Christmas and now he is back to bashing Christians.
only the hypocritical and sanctimonious and greedy ones. not the real followers of christ's teachings of charity and humility and poverty...folks who take those vows have my total respect...pigs like yourself however deserve nothing but ridicule and criticism...night now my little troll. i know it is hard for you to see the distinctions...but they are quite obvious to anyone with a brain.
but they are quite obvious to anyone with a brain.
Posted by gregg on December 27, 2007 at 11:33 PM
Do you know someone like that who you can consult with?
8 years of clinton/gore v 8 years of bush/cheney.
Game, set, match. Democrats are better for America. The trolls just want to hide the facts.
That Reagan thing didn't work out too good, according to most Americans. Look at all the Republican leaders behind bars or in men's stalls. What a bunch of frauds.
Whoever wins the Democratic nomination will have a cake walk to the WH. Even Gravel could win.
The Republican Convention is in Minneapolis. HAHA! The line for the men's bathroom at the airport is going to be worse than ever.
I can't believe what Obama's team said. They are low as it gets. They should apologize.
Obama looks like he doesn't care about the party. I wonder if he's going after the Bloomberg money and backing?
Has Obama ever led "change?" Nothing. Never.
One thing for sure, people for Obama in Iowa will switch to Edwards. Watch Edwards' momentum go into NH, SC... he can't be stopped.
Maybe the Republicans will nominate Romney. I think plenty of Christians would worry that the Senate and WH would be controlled by PAGANS!
Is doesn't look like many people like Reid, because he's weak, and people won't believe Romney because he's been pro-life and anyway the wind blows. Yeah... they will look real trust worthy to most people. And the "Garden of Eden" is in Missouri. Yeah right.
Recent Romney lies:
"My dad marched with MLK." not.
"I'm an avid hunter." not.
"The NRA supported me." not.
"I've always been pro-life." not.
Huckabee should have an easy time showing Mitt to be the big Flip-flopper.
hey big yellow. can't sleep, wondering what the news of this terrible assination will bring us? I can't be good. I don't see how they are not going to at least delay the elections, they don't have but one side to elect. do they?
Hey buddy,
They are rioting. Can you blame them? CSPAN radio played her speech when she was in the United States at the UN. It was amazing how she was talking about the REAL enemies of democracy, and and how they will do anything to stop fair elections, and how they use fear and chaos to control people. What does that sound like?
Yes Big yellow dog, it sounds like to U.S. for several years now. Votes don't get counted. Supreme Court selects the President. Now the fear of what will happen now that Pakistan is in crisis.
Just plays in the hands of the reptiles, hopefully we made some real adjustments to voting irregularities. I think with the right running mate Hillary can win. I know she can put together an excellent cabinet.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Got to go to bed, I have one more Christmas with my son in the am.
The Republican Convention is in Minneapolis. HAHA! The line for the men's bathroom at the airport is going to be worse than ever.
Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on December 28, 2007 at 01:04 AM
The Republican Convention is in St Paul Dumbass.
I see Robert is doing his ventriloquism act tonite. He posts as old yeller and then sticks his hand in Cornfeds back and responds.
The Republican Convention is in Minneapolis. HAHA! The line for the men's bathroom at the airport is going to be worse than ever.
Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on December 28, 2007 at 01:04 AM
Why would that be? The Democrats are the party of fags. They even think that faggotry is another way of being normal.
That's an odd thing to say seeing how it was her decision alone to return from her self-imposed exile in London.
Do you live in Cinderalla's Castle? She was sent on a Mission from the Godless in the Oval Office and The Bunker...with promises of silver slippers if she could move Pakistan back into line.
Her decision? Grow up. The world doesn't work that way. You can't blame this one on any Islamic bogeymen. It was Bush's spurned Pakistani lover fending off the advances of Spunky's new suitor that ended this love triangle.
Bush is right in the middle of this mess...just like he always is. If a situation can become worse, Bush finds a way to make it so.
Posted by SandyH on December 27, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Geez, what a dopey post. "You can't blame this one on any Islamic bogeymen." Yeah right, it was a Lutheran what shot her and a Baptist was the suicide bomber. (I think it was a two muslem slug action)
"It was Bush's spurned Pakistani lover fending off the advances of Spunky's new suitor that ended this love triangle." Say what? Bush was screwin this ex babe gone old?
cate, cast not your pearls before swine.
Posted by gregg on December 27, 2007 at 10:22 AM
Greggy, cast not your seed before goats.
Liberals blew it when they dropped global cooling in favor of global frickin warmin. Global cooling is much scarier. Global frickin warmin opens up more land for food production. Global cooling takes land out of production causing a food shortage crisis. Global cooling causes more miserable winters which cause more deaths than hot Augusts do. Global frickin warmin causes nicer winters and fewer people die.
I am happy that liberals decided on global frickin warmin. I can live with that.
And do you not understand that about 85% of REAL Republicans now deplore this Neo Con government of our's? That they understand that Bush and Cheney have destroyed their Real party and they are pissed? WHY would you choose to stay in the minority and defend these men? Is it because you are just hate filled , period, and do not give a damn what happened to the GOP party? You are a sick sick man. Steve is mentally unbalanced due to living like the unibomber, but you are just plain mentally Sick.
Posted by PamB on December 27, 2007 at 11:32 AM
99.99% of Republicans deplore the Democrat/Socialist party as it is today. I don't know anyone, Democrat or Republican, who deplores Bush except you ass clowns of course.
There is nor can there be, anyone more mentally unbalanced than a very old broad who voted for Reagan twice and then becomes a liberal ass hat nutball in her old age. Does Dementia ring a bell? Or does ringing a bell cause you to race to get some cheese?
Hows things with the Mayflower Society? Are you the last survivor? Or are there still 60,000,000 potential members in the country. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . Still got the plaque on your wall ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
How about the daughters of the American Revolution? You never mention either of those outfits anymore. Gotta be 100.000.000 potential members in that scam for silly bimbos. Do you still have the plaque on the wall and pine about how wonderful you are?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Steve is mentally unbalanced due to living like the unibomber.
Posted by PamB on December 27, 2007 at 11:32 AM
The unibomber was a liberal anti global frickin warmin asshat, such as yourself, who lived in a refrigerator box.
I would guess that 80% of people living in sleazy eastern cities wish they could live like me, with no neighbors within shooting distance and bunnies hoppin around eating my popcorn and deer at my salt lick all day and night and bears in the summer.
Yeah, a sleazy eastern city is the place to be.
Posted by Harpo****Harpo on December 27, 2007 at 09:28 PM.....The truth is not in you....you threw in that little comment about an Edwards "Love Child" and an affair. That has been debunked. The woman has issued a statement through her attorney identifying the father of her child and that man has acknowledged that he is the father and has asked the media to back off and allow him to mend his relationship with his family. John Edwards had no knowledge of the affair between two co-workers in his campaign. So, liar, you have been burned again!
I just finished reading upline. There was a post referring to "Axlerod" which said that this person claimed Hillary Clinton is responsible for Bhutto's death. At least that is what I am getting from the post. Ia "Axlerod" a reference to Obama? Did Obama make a statement saying that Hillary Clinton is responsible for Bhutto's death because Clinton voted for the war in Iraq. I'm not clear on what you are trying to say.
Morning JohnBoy,
The weather is sure nice in San Antonio. It got down to 31 one morning.
Here at home it is 15 and it snowed a little yesterday.
I see where the EOCC screwed retirees again. Now big corporations don't have to let a person carry his health care into retirement. They will be forced to take Medicare which doesn't kick in until they are 65. bush's trolls are such nice people?
Repukes are inhuman trolls. It's all about moneymoneymoneymoney.
Posted by Dan5 on December 28, 2007 at 07:12 AM
You poor lost soul, the woman made the statement through her attorney. How difficult is that for you to comprehend? She would not want to meet with the media attack dogs directly, so, she issued the statement THROUGH her attorney. Your advice about the coffee was sound, I did, and it is good. Nothing like a good cup of coffee and a good smoke (Camel) first thing in the morning to get these very old joints limbered up. BTW, I don't mind being called "Little Tex", I'm only 6-2 and 240 lbs of rockin-sockin romance, so I am small by Texas standards...
fundies=I've got mine and yours (faith based money from bush) and you have to kiss my ass and my god's ass to get it.
Posted by Johnedwrd on December 28, 2007 at 07:22 AM
Glad that you are back home safely John. I always worry about friends traveling, esp. during the holidays. Good to here that you had a good time in SanAnn with your son. The trolls have been no less nasty during the holidays. They don't have reverence or respect for anything.....John Boy....
Posted by Dan5 on December 28, 2007 at 07:29 AM
I dare you to watch Sicko and then complain about universal health care. The American people are being screwed by the greedy right wing extremists. I feel that we should also have universal university education for anyone who wants one. Germany and France have free tuition at their universities but the repukes are too miserly to let Americans benefit from a free education.
The rich are going to pay dearly in the future when the little people rise up and take back our government and demand both universal health care and a free university education.
It's time for the anti-Americans, unless you're rich, sickos to grow up.
Posted by Dan5 on December 28, 2007 at 07:33 AM
That is thin, very thin. You are grasping at straws. What Bill Clinton said has nothing to do with John Edwards and the fact that Harpo continues to try to spread a lie that he knows is untrue shows just how low he will go. Give it up man!...Too thin, not even close!
JohnBoy,
Sicko is going to be shown on TV. I missed the date and it may have already been shown.
I hope Moore makes a movie about universal university education.
Our kids make it through college but are saddled with $80,000 to $100,000 in debt (to the sicko richies). This is no way to start a life. It will be years before they can buy a home and wiht home prices skyrocketing they, it may be many years before they can even own a home.
Our society sucks. If I was younger, I would move to Germany where my ancestors came from for opportunity in America because of religious persecution.
Sorry, JohnE, you can't leave. We have to stay here and fight to take our country back from the fascist pigs.
good morning. i am once again suggesting a day of ignoring the troll. gonna be forty and clear in the hudson valley today...must get the sun block out!
Good morning Gregg, I know you are correct, but it is hard to do when they lie as viciously as they do.
Morning gregg,
It's going to be a high of 35 here today. I am breakinhg out the wood pellets.
Hope you had a good Christmas.
According to the Bushitas, they are still investigating who is responsible for Bhutto's assassination. The report that it was a faction of Al Qaeda came through an anonymous call into an Italian news agency.
That's all we know right now. Bhutto in a letter blamed Musharraf's government if anything happened to her. That doesn't mean Musharraf pulled the trigger so to speak just that she suspected forces within his government wanted to kill her. She also was very unhappy with Musharraf's security arrangements. At the very least, Mush has proven to be incompetent at handling security problems in his country.
JohnBoy,
How was your Christmas.
I like to rub it in with the fundies by saying Happy Holidays. They just turn livid when people try to ignore Christmas.
More subprime problems:
Citi, Merrill and JPMorgan to write down even more in Q4
by Chris in Paris
Bad debt from the subprime crash continues to be a moving target. Despite teams of expensive experts, this is like the Keystone Cops comes to Wall Street. It's hard to keep up with the downwardly revised numbers, but not to worry, these people are "experts" and know what they are doing.
Just because they change their write downs more often than they change their underwear, don't worry. Bush says the economy is jut fine and Wall Street keeps trying to tell us the same. It's just those doggone facts that keep getting in the way. Damned facts! Damn!
Bush is a total ahole ... hey, you knew that already! There is no way in the world that an election should take place' the PPP, Bhutto's party, doesn't even have a candidate. This would just be a one person race; what good is it? That's just going to increase the violence and resentment. Give the PPP some time to find another candidate.
Damn, I hate when that obnoxious POS Chimp interferes. He should just shut his disgusting mouth.
The rich are going to pay dearly in the future when the little people rise up and take back our government and demand both universal health care and a free university education.
Posted by Johnedwrd on December 28, 2007 at 07:41 AM
Call me cynical, but only if they can be peeled away from drugs (crack/meth) and or their video games. (are they even called video games any more?)
Let us hope that the comfort after death that the human race seeks through every world religion will calm the people of Pakistan through the death of Benazir Bhutto by her surviving political movement.
I know people in the United States would be very upset if one of the American candidates were assassinated. I can’t imagine what it would be like not knowing what kind of government your country will have tomorrow like in Pakistan. Just when you are amazed by the strength of the people of Iraq along comes the people of Pakistan...
I think it is important for the people in Pakistan to understand that just because one chooses Democracy doesn’t mean that one has to give up their representatives ever speaking of their religion. As a matter of fact, I think it would be good for the world’s war against terrorism for people to know more about the peaceful religion of Islam because that would take the political power out of the sensationalized violence in terrorism. So I hope that leaders in the Middle East can calm people in Pakistan with that fact before some people might think they have to turn to violence in order to be represented because they don’t have to.
The misunderstood chaos in 9/11 taught us that Islamic government representation somehow fails representing the culture of the Middle Eastern region on an international level. However, right now, the world is very interested in Middle Eastern culture. So I hope that Middle Eastern leaders take advantage of that fact to educate us on their culture and let their culture be free.
Thank you.
Looking back at how the Pakistan situation developed
by A.J. Rossmiller · 12/27/2007 07:58:00 PM ET · Link
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A reader emailed to remind me what I wrote just three weeks ago:
Musharraf claims the declaration of a "state of emergency" in Pakistan -- which is for all intents and purposes an imposition of martial law -- is due to terrorist threat. This, by all credible accounts, is false. Musharraf is reacting to approaching elections, an impending supreme court decision on his role in the government, and the ascension of opposing political groups, highlighted by the return of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto. [...] [T]he idea that this was some big, out-of-nowhere surprise is also totally false. Foreign policy observers have been worrying about this for a while.
Unfortunately, according to WaPo, there's literally no one at the wheel with this issue:
"The problem is exacerbated by a dramatic drop-off in U.S. expertise on Pakistan. Retired American officials say that, for the first time in U.S. history, nobody with serious Pakistan experience is working in the South Asia bureau of the State Department, on State's policy planning staff, on the National Security Council staff or even in Vice President Cheney's office."
The article says "even in" the VP's office, of course, because that's where US foreign policy is run, so apparently it's the most important place to have experts.
If you thought it was bad that the US government had a "dramatic drop-off" in expertise three weeks ago, it's now a full-blown disaster. A few commenters were unhappy that I said the Bush administration deserves some blame for this deterioration, that the US has no responsibility for this kind of thing, but *we do.* And the Bush administration does. And nothing from today gives me any confidence that the next year will contain anything but continued foreign policy blunders.
And some -- many, perhaps -- will end in tragedy, however remote or disconnected from our direct foreign policy actions.
Just heard this on TV: A police officer witnessed a woman hit a man, bite him and spit in his face, so the officer arrested her. When the officer's back was turned, she walked up behind the officer and wiped her snotty nose on his shirt. Battery of a police officer was added to her other charges. Sounds like something one of our more intelligent trolls would do.
Bhutto holds Musharraf “responsible for her death” in an October email…
By: John Amato @ 3:41 PM - PST
(click pic to make larger) It’s way too early to say who assassinated Bhutto even though some reports are coming in, but her email is very interesting. Mark Seigel— a longtime friend and US spokesman, received this email and joined Blitzer to discuss it…
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/27/bhutto-holds-musharraf-responsible-for-her-death-in-an-october-email/
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There is a link to the email in here.
Morning {{{Dems}}}
Johnedwrd, don't move. We Dems are going to take this country back, and restore what it was meant to be for 300 years ! It will take us awhile to un-do the destruction done by these Repugs, but we will get it done. For our children and grandchildren, we must cast out all Repugs. americans know that now, that is why they will vote Democratic.
JohnBoy, that is silly stevie repeating that lie about John Edwards. It makes him feel good, because he has NOTHING else. These trolls have nothing bad about Dems, and they feel embarassed over the Republican Wall of Shame for Corruption and Perversion, so they grasp at lies. Silly little men.
It is now time folks, for us to do what gregg and others suggest. Lets start IGNORING the trolls. Totally. We have 313 days to go to election. It is time to buckle down to work. I think it is now 13 days till first Iowa caucus. We will have a candidate to work for before long. We must unite around whomever it is, and works our tails off like last time. Follow Gregg's lead, i.e. sign up for one of the several national phone banks that will get put together by move-on, etc, where you upload a list of names and phone numbers of voters in a particular state, and you get on the phone and call them. Join your local Dem committee and go door to door, and pass out literature. Join DNC 50-state strategy for as little as $5 per month, and help set up offices in Red States where there never was any before.
I don't know how many of you saw this post a week back, but it proves Howard's strategy is working:
There's a man from Texas calling in to Air America radio right now, telling Sam Seder that because of Howard Dean's 50-state strategy, their district has four people working for the elections to defeat Republicans that they would not otherwise have had.Thank you, Howard!
Posted by Shelley on December 21, 2007 a
Wind up Dems. The sweetest way to beat the trolls? Why take over the Congress, Senate and White House - 100% !
Poll: Obama Even With Hillary In NH; Top Three Dems Tied In Iowa, Though Hillary Leads Among Likely Voters
By Greg Sargent - December 27, 2007, 7:40PM
The new Los Angeles Times poll that people have been talking about all day is in, and it finds that Obama has pulled even with Hillary in New Hampshire while Hillary, Obama and Edwards are statistically tied in Iowa.
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/12/poll_hillary_holds_slim_lead_in_iowa_obama_erases_hillarys_lead_in_new_hampshire.php
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These polls are funny. The most you can say is that it's close.
hey kids remember iraq?? bush and mccain and the rest don't seem to....but all is not quite well in this miracle of democracy quite yet...
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A parked car bomb in central Baghdad killed 10 people and wounded 66 on Friday, police said.
Reuters witnesses saw a cloud of smoke rising over the area at a busy traffic intersection on the east side of the Tigris river in the centre of the Iraqi capital.
The bomb struck while many in the capital were attending Friday prayers. Police said the victims were civilians. At least one woman and one child were among the dead.
Overall violence in Iraq has fallen in recent months, but attacks still persist against civilians, Iraqi and U.S. troops and neighborhood patrols recruited to fight militants.
Good morning, Dems! 37 and cloudy here.
Welcome back,JohnE
Hello, JohnBoy, Esme, Gregg.
I'm already running late so will be in and out till I leave for work.
GO EDWARDS!
Here's what I am talking about folks. EVEN the GOP is trying to rid itself of the trash within it's ranks !
Stevens Draws GOP Challenger for His Senate Seat
Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens received no holiday respite from potential 2008 election problems, drawing his first primary challenger even as an investigation continued into whether he had received favors from a politically-connected state oil services company.
Republicans also face similar complications when it comes to the re-election bid of Republican at-large Rep. Don Young who also has been named in stories about Veco, which has had close ties to many Alaska politicians.
Wealthy real estate developer David Cuddy, who lost to Stevens in the 1996 GOP primary after spending more than $1 million in personal funds, publicly announced last week his plans for a rematch against the six-term senator.
Cuddy told CQ Politics that his drive to restore fiscal conservatism as well as combat widespread federal corruption prompted him to enter the race.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000002649504
the ghouliani pit keeps getting deeper and deeper, praise the lord. of course he took money to help the makers of oxy beat a rap....his good friend rush needed all the doctor's samples rudy could stuff in his pockets...
"...As a celebrity, Mr. Giuliani helped the company win several public relations battles, playing a role in an effort by Purdue to persuade an influential Pennsylvania congressman, Curt Weldon, not to blame it for OxyContin abuse.
Despite these efforts, Purdue suffered a crushing defeat in May at the hands of Mr. Brownlee when the company and three top executives pleaded guilty to criminal charges..."
Bhutto Is Buried as Pakistan Reels
By SALMAN MASOOD and VICTORIA BURNETT
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The body of Benazir Bhutto was laid to rest in her ancestral village, as violence erupted in cities across Pakistan on Friday, a day after the former prime minister was assassinated at an election campaign rally.
Hundreds of thousands of emotional mourners joined a chaotic funeral procession in Garhi Khuda Baksh, her ancestral village in southern Sindh province Friday afternoon. Her body, which was accompanied to the village by her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, and her three children, was buried there beside her father in the family mausoleum.
Supporters of Ms. Bhutto went on rampages in several cities, torching cars and stores and ransacking banks in street violence that claimed at least 10 lives, news wires reported. The government ordered paramilitary forces in Ms. Bhutto’s southern home province of Sindh to shoot rioters on sight.
The death of Ms. Bhutto, who had been the leader of Pakistan’s largest political party, throws Pakistan’s politics into chaos less than two weeks before parliamentary elections scheduled for Jan. 8. However, a senior government official said there were no immediate plans to postpone next month’s parliamentary election, intended to restore democracy after eight years of military dictatorship — a vote in which Ms. Bhutto would have been a front runner.
Muhammad Mian Soomro, the caretaker prime minister, told reporters in Islamabad that the government would hold talks with all political parties to chart a plan of action, but that “Right now, the elections stand as they were announced.”
Mr. Soomro called for calm and said a judicial commission will be set up to probe Ms. Bhutto’s death. He refused to speculate on who might have been behind the combined shooting and suicide bombing, which also killed some 20 security guards and bystanders in the garrison town of Rawalpindi on Thursday.
Rioting continued across Pakistan on Friday as angry crowds protested Ms. Bhutto’s death from the eastern city of Peshawar, near the Afghan border, to the parched province of Sindh. An angry mob looted banks in Karachi, capital of Sindh and Pakistan’s largest city, and rioters burned 10 railway stations and several trains across the region, the Associated Press reported. Officials suspended train service between Karachi and the Punjab province to the east.
Thousands of people rioted in the central city of Multan, ransacking banks and gas stations and throwing stones at police, the Associated Press reported. In the generally peaceful capital, Islamabad, a crowd of about 100 protesters set fire to tires.
In Peshawar, an estimated 4,000 supporters of Ms. Bhutto’s People’s Party chanted “Bhutto was alive yesterday, Bhutto is alive today” and cried “Musharraf dog,” an insult to the country’s leader and political rival, President Pervez Musharraf.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/28/world/asia/29react.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Morning Pam, Cyn and rj.
Posted by Johnedwrd on December 28, 2007 at 08:21 AM
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Good morning JE and everyone else.
It's the Economy Stupid! What a great Slogan!!! Let's keep reminding Americans just exactly what they got with a Republican Administration !!!! I long for Bill Clinton days !
WASHINGTON - More people signed up unemployment benefits last week, a fresh sign that the job market is softening as the economy loses speed.
The Labor Department reported Thursday that new applications filed for unemployment insurance rose by a seasonally adjusted 1,000 to 349,000. Economists were expecting new filings for jobless benefits to dip to around 340,000 for last week.
The economy, which posted its best growth in four years during the summer, probably slowed to a pace of around 1.5 percent or less in the final three months of this years, according to economists' projections. The sour housing market and harder-to-get credit are expected to weigh on consumers and businesses alike, contributing to the expected slowdown in overall economic growth
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/jobless_claims;_ylt=Al3MVcNITMShUkMTw7DFuqus0NUE
Call me cynical, but only if they can be peeled away from drugs (crack/meth) and or their video games. (are they even called video games any more?)
Posted by Esmeralda on December 28, 2007 at 08:03 AM
Maybe that's why cheney and bush have done nothing about the drugs trade out of Afghanistan. They are keeping the "little" people drugged up. They offer no education in order to dumb us all down.
hey kids remember iraq?? bush and mccain and the rest don't seem to....but all is not quite well in this miracle of democracy quite yet...
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gregg, Iraq is a mess. The American media was intimidated by the Pentagon into not reporting the news.
Posted by Dan5 on December 28, 2007 at 08:13 AM
HMMMMMMMMMMM.....I think you are correct,......you might be.......
the ghouliani pit keeps getting deeper and deeper, praise the lord. of course he took money to help the makers of oxy beat a rap....his good friend rush needed all the doctor's samples rudy could stuff in his pockets...
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The Ghoul is a little dictator and crook. As Breslin says, he's a small man looking for a balcony.
It sure pisses me off, to know that happy, healthy, clean Bin Laden, is sitting clapping his hands, that Bush has played right into his hands! AlQaeda and Taliban stronger than ever, while Bush all tied up in a quagmire in Iraq, where there wasn't even one single Terrorist before Bush invaded !
How LONG before the Taliban and AlQaeda have possession of those Pakistani Nukes? Not too long with Mushareff in charge !
"The chaos spreading across nuclear-armed Pakistan after the assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is part of the price for the Bush administration’s duplicity about al-Qaeda’s priorities, including the old canard that the terrorist group regards Iraq as the “central front” in its global war against the West.
Through repetition of this claim – often accompanied by George W. Bush’s home-spun advice about the need to listen to what the enemy says – millions of Americans believe that Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders consider Iraq the key battlefield.
However, intelligence evidence, gathered from intercepted al-Qaeda communications, indicate that bin Laden’s high command views Iraq as a valuable diversion for U.S. military strength, not the “central front.”
Trouble With Trade
By PAUL KRUGMAN
While the United States has long imported oil and other raw materials from the third world, we used to import manufactured goods mainly from other rich countries like Canada, European nations and Japan.
But recently we crossed an important watershed: we now import more manufactured goods from the third world than from other advanced economies. That is, a majority of our industrial trade is now with countries that are much poorer than we are and that pay their workers much lower wages.
For the world economy as a whole — and especially for poorer nations — growing trade between high-wage and low-wage countries is a very good thing. Above all, it offers backward economies their best hope of moving up the income ladder.
But for American workers the story is much less positive. In fact, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that growing U.S. trade with third world countries reduces the real wages of many and perhaps most workers in this country. And that reality makes the politics of trade very difficult.
It sure pisses me off, to know that happy, healthy, clean Bin Laden, is sitting clapping his hands, that Bush has played right into his hands! AlQaeda and Taliban stronger than ever, while Bush all tied up in a quagmire in Iraq, where there wasn't even one single Terrorist before Bush invaded !
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PamB,
That's the truth! The Chimp screwed up badly when he invaded Iraq for no reason. Then the stubborn dope refuses to come up with any sort of exit strategy. Instead, the Chimpenfuhrer comes up with a "surge". What an obnoxious loser. He's is burning up 12 billion of our tax dollars every month just because he can't admit it was wrong to invade Iraq.
From what I've been hearing on MSM, the Dems have all but wrapped up the election. The talking heads think the Rethugs are dead in the water.
I can't decide if it's a ploy to keep people from going to the polls or the talking heads are just waking up from 7 years of drug induced slumber.
The right wing is going to get their heads handed to them in 2008. They jusy can't come to terms with the simple fact that Americans DO want the government to intervene in health care, jobs and in general strengthen the weak safety net. Their idiotic libertarianism just is not popular anymore. People have seen through their greed and stupid ideas on the realtionship of citizens to government.
Keep it up right wing shills. You are burying yourself deep.
He's is burning up 12 billion of our tax dollars every month just because he can't admit it was wrong to invade Iraq.
Posted by rjsnj on December 28, 2007 at 08:37 AM
well, rj, while he is burning up OUR money, he and Cheney and other War hawks are silently building up their own little stashes ! That's the name of the War game. How much can they make off of it !
blog ya after breakfast buddies.
The talking heads think the Rethugs are dead in the water.
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Hi Cyn, the Rethugs stink. What we need to empasize is that Bush is NOT the problem; it's conservatism that is all wrong and is incapable of responding to the sort of challenges we face in the 21th century.
Bush is merely an example of what you get with conservatism.
It sure pisses me off, to know that happy, healthy, clean Bin Laden, is sitting clapping his hands, that Bush has played right into his hands! AlQaeda and Taliban stronger than ever, while Bush all tied up in a quagmire in Iraq, where there wasn't even one single Terrorist before Bush invaded !
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PamB,
Yes! How but this message from Bush yesterday?
President Bush says those responsible for the killing of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto must be brought to justice."The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy," he said. "Those who committed this crime must be brought to justice."
How about bringing the people responsible for 9/11 to justice?
Chimpenfuher to appear before World Court on charges of crimes against humanity. It ain't over 'til it's all over, folks!
Ecomonic adviser for Edwards campaign on C-Span.
Off to work. Enjoy the day!
Yes member rjsnj, none of the Republican leaders seem to have as much experience as Democratic Candidate Senator Joe Biden with Middle Eastern foreign policy.
MSNBC reported that of all the phone calls President Musharraf of Pakistan got asking him to return their calls, he phoned Senator John Edwards back. Goes to show how much faith other leaders have in the Bush administration, doesn’t it?
Us talking about that makes me think of when Rudy Guilliani said that Biden was not an expert in foreign policy because he never worked at the State Department. (That was the very week he was talking to Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Musharraf on the phone.) I mean, Rudy hasn’t got enough sense not to knock the United States Chairperson of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee down whether they be Democratic or Republican?
How about bringing the people responsible for 9/11 to justice?
Posted by Cyn_NY on December 28, 2007 at 08:45 AM
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Who just happen to be in Pakistan ... hmmm ...
But didn't the Chimpenfuhrer say Bin Laden doesn't matter anymore ... nope, just invading Iraq for no reason.
Chimpenfuher to appear before World Court on charges of crimes against humanity. It ain't over 'til it's all over, folks!
Posted by goodfoe on December 28, 2007 at 08:45 AM
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goodfoe, that would be a good thing. Don't forget about Shotgun Dick!
Us talking about that makes me think of when Rudy Guilliani said that Biden was not an expert in foreign policy because he never worked at the State Department.
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Biden got the Ghoul good on that one. He said that for Rudy, a foreign policy statement is a noun, verb and 9-11. Ghouliani is totally clueless on foreign policy. He shouldn't even compare himself to Biden.
Posted by ElizabethJW on December 28, 2007 at 08:50 AM.....Rudy's statements of late cause me to wonder if he has syphilis of the brain, contracted during all of his philandering. Desperate men commit desperate acts and say desperate things. His run is just about over, when he folds, he can return to the cozy confines with his criminal buddies and his equally criminal consulting business.
goodfoe, that would be a good thing. Don't forget about Shotgun Dick!
Posted by rjsnj on December 28, 2007 at 08:54 AM
Shotgun would be the first to offer to put a load of double 0 buck in Bush if Old Shotgun ever thought that Bush was going to spill his guts about how he has been following Shotgun's instruction all along and it it isn't really his (Bush's) fault. They will hang together, otherwise, they will hang separately.
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