Good afternoon, all.

I wholeheartedly agree. Once we've settled in on a nominee, I believe things will get back to normal.

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama_for_POTUS_2008 on January 30, 2008 at 02:27 PM

As normal as things get around here, Bob? You hadn't noticed how the landscape has changed?

There's little trust left on either side as far as I can see. Those of us who supported Edwards are now being subjected to same sort of treatment. I'm no victim and will not tolerate that sort of aggression being directed at me.

Listen, dawn. If you don't know that your candidate is a Centralist and what that means, that says volumes about how much you don't pay attention to what's going on around you.

The only "dividing" that has been going on here of late has come from you and your Chorus of Clinton groupies dishing the other side and the responding Obama Choir answering in kind. It’s like you've done everything you can to alienate anyone who would like to give Senator Clinton another look.

But in spite of you, I'm seriously considering supporting her. After finding out the other night ago that she had been a staffer on the Watergate Committee, my esteem for her went up 3000%. It finally answered all those questions I've had regarding why there was so much deep-seated anger and ridicule directed at her by conservative Republicans and their adoring clowns.

She not only was a bright young attorney, she wasn't afraid of them in the least. Going out on the limb to protect the Constitution and uphold the integrity of the Office of President is rock solid leadership that you can count on. She would never abuse that power if it came to her. She would treat it and the people of this country with respect.

I am so in awe of people who do that sort of thing...almost instinctively. So why don't you just let Senator Clinton use the "voice" she's found again after so many years and stop yelling at the rest of us? Turn off the caps and the attitude.

The next time I hear another fat ass comment by a troll, I’ll smile knowing just how much it hurts to this day that the Moral Majority Republicans put a petty thief into office...and he got caught...making them all look like accessories to the crime. She’s still got them over a barrel 30 years later and is zeroing in on them again.

Priceless.

How can a "red state" be red when they have a Democratic Governor? Simple. They were a red state, but Reaganism and Republicanism failed them and they are going back to Democrats.

We've been hearing for years that VA is a "red state," despite the fact that the last 3 Gov elections and Senate seat have gone Democratic.
So how can this be a "red state?" It's not.

The fact of the matter is that "Reaganism" and Republicanism has failed miserably, and they have lost Republican strong holds. So WHY should Democrats want to work (compromise) with Republicans? Shouldn't we be hammering them that they've failed, and Democrats were right all along? We were right, and I expect Democrats to stand up for all the accomplishments of past Dems.

Who's going to say the Reagan was wrong, and his policies failed America? Looking back on things, if America had continued Carter's Energy policy, we would be in wonderful shape as a Nation, saving BILLIONS of dollars a year, we would not have Middle East nations controlling America's economy, and we would not have a record trade deficit.

So why are some Democrats acting like whips, kissing Republican butt, and holding out an olive branch? We've got them where we want them.

I can't stand "Democrats" without a spine to stand up for Democratic policies that were good for the Nation in the long-term. When someone talks about Reagan as being good for anything other than busting unions, deregulation, and derailing a sound energy policy, I sure wonder if they are really a Democrat. Progressive democrats are right. I expect candidates to stand up for us, not Reagan.

YAWWWWWWWWnnnnnn...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Oh, and RONALD REAGAN!!

Repost from Previous Thread

Posted by GBGram on January 30, 2008 at 06:58 PM
I confess, I should know more about our relationship with Israel. I, like you, often wonder "what's in it for us?" I, therefore, can not dispute your complaints about our policies toward Israel. I will; however, ask that you not denigrate any Democrat with name calling.
I was a supporter of Sen. Biden and once he left the race, I have not chosen another candidate to support. I will work for and support whomever the Democrats name; however, I am absolutely 'sick to death' of all of the bashing!
Sen. Clinton's positions may be to the right of mine (heck, Rep. Kucinich's were a little to the right of mine!); but, I refuse to set idlely by and allow you or anyone else to degrade or devalue in any way her contributions and sacrifice for this country and for the Democratic Party.Posted by GBGram on January 30, 2008 at 06:58 PM
I confess, I should know more about our relationship with Israel. I, like you, often wonder "what's in it for us?" I, therefore, can not dispute your complaints about our policies toward Israel. I will; however, ask that you not denigrate any Democrat with name calling.
I was a supporter of Sen. Biden and once he left the race, I have not chosen another candidate to support. I will work for and support whomever the Democrats name; however, I am absolutely 'sick to death' of all of the bashing!
Sen. Clinton's positions may be to the right of mine (heck, Rep. Kucinich's were a little to the right of mine!); but, I refuse to set idlely by and allow you or anyone else to degrade or devalue in any way her contributions and sacrifice for this country and for the Democratic Party.

Sorry for the dbl. post. I'm not sure how I did it, but I will try to 'not do it again.'
Sandy:
Thank you for the post about bashing.
There has been 'bashing' from both (supporters of Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton) sides and I am so tired of it. The reTHUGlicans are going to bash enough for 1,000 lifetimes. We don't need to 'load the gun' for them.

You think the Democrats have it bad, look at Russ Limbaugh and Glenn Beck attacking the Republican Party like mad dogs. Just because the Republican party claimed its Independence over them. It seems the Right Wing media pit bulls are laying waste to Free Choice that they are de-terminating who are Real Conservatives and the rest are damn Liberal voters with Free Choices.

If we keep the FoxNews from having its chosen Republican candidates, why there will be World War III in the media expunging moderate Republicans from its network. They will have to fight with Democrats on CNN. CNN may reconsider mirroring FoxNews propaganda, for we might switch to public broadcasting of the BBC news, which is the most impartial concrete truth in the world.

Yes the Republicans are in turmoil, because a more moderate candidate is ahead. It seems the Democrats are moderating from the extremes on cohesion.

I am disappointed that Edwards is out. All else being equal, I think he would have been my first choice for president.

Posted by Chicago on January 30, 2008 at 07:20 PM
All things being equal, I think I might have like Rep. Kucinich!

Good Evening,

Hear, hear!! I agree with Mary. We should not load the political guns for the repugnants to fire at our friends.

Fri-enemy are not what I want.

United Colors of Better Democratic America!

We can WIN if we do not implode.

Remember any Democratic candidate is still better than a republican!!

With my browser and operating system, I don't have the ability to post 'live links' ; however, this is the web address for the very best article about the economy that I have every read!

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712?currentPage=1

If you listen real close in the background of the Ronald Reagan Library and Museum, or is that mausoleum, you can still hear the faint sound of Giuliani worshipers: Rooo-Dee, Rooo-Dee, Rooo-Dooo. Ah, < expletive >, at least one good thing happened. We won't have Rudy to kick around anymore.

Hi Mary !

little slow tonight, getting good and drunk so I'll understand the repug debate lol

Posted by davidual on January 30, 2008 at 07:33 PM
This is a terrible thing to say; but, the best part of the Ghool no longer being in the race is not having to look at his wife. Maybe she looks better in person but on television - woo-hoo, she's hard on the eyes!

dlesterpoet,

Yes you are correct to see the repugnants in disarray. But what is the political actions of a injured repugnant; they go on the attack to suggest or deploy circular logic issues that divide. Don't let them divid us!!

We may disagree among the Democrats but we have more similarities than differences; there are major differences between democrats and republicans. We need to high light those differences.

DO NOT LET THE BUILDERS OF THE TOWER OF BABEL POLARIZE AND DIVIDE US!!

WE ARE GOING TO WIN!!! KEEP THE FAITH!!

We are the United Colors of the Democratic Party!!

another typo, Rooo-Dooo was supposed to be Vooo-Dooo. Good night to all.

getting good and drunk so I'll understand the repug debate lol

Posted by TheMilitantDemocrat on January 30, 2008 at 07:37 PM

It won't help! You'll need some sort of shock treatments or manchurian candidate type of mind control to understand that drivel.

davidual,

don't you mean (whisper), 911, 911, 911 ....

Posted by HybridFuel on January 30, 2008 at 07:40 PM

I'm with you!!!

It won't help! You'll need some sort of shock treatments or manchurian candidate type of mind control to understand that drivel.

Posted by marymac_memphis on January 30, 2008 at 07:42 PM

I think you need this just to sty awake during the event. Understanding their ideological reasoning is completely different story. Like holding their final debate at Reagan's mausoleum, you know, what are they hoping for the old master to speak to them and guide them on their journey, or back which ever you prefer. Crazy old fools in love with a crazy old fool; they're good ol boys though. Now I'm rambling, and I think I feel a bit of drool starting to leak from the corner of my mouth. Could it be...damn, I'm outta here tonight!! eh,eh,eh!!

Hi Mary,

We are going to win!! I would like to see an ovation and encore with all the Democratic candidates taking a bow after super-Tuesday. I want to see a united front to take back our country from the republicans and instill change for all Americans.

We are the party that see no color, no race, no generation gap; we are the party that only see Americans!!

So what do you think of Edwards for the supreme court?

Posted by davidual on January 30, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Have a good one - good to see you again!

So what do you think of Edwards for the supreme court?

Posted by TheMilitantDemocrat on January 30, 2008 at 07:54 PM

Me?

AG or Supreme. He would be equally good; however, as a supreme, his influence will be felt for generations.
Do you have any idea what it takes to impeach a supreme court justice - as in Scalia?
I don't have any idea what is involved, do you?

TheMilitantDemocrat,

Good idea!!

Keep it up!!

We are going to use our Dream Team to fill the highest places in government to take back our country!!

I can support the Democratic Dream Team in the highest offices of this government!!

Do anyone else have any ideas on where to place our Dream Team!!

We are going to WIN! We will take back our country from the nut jobs repugnant x-tian reich!

I can't believe they are holding the debate in the raygun library for morons where they keep raygun's coloring books and cap pistols.

Reagan Reagan Reagan

don't they know the old man was senile ?
they seek to be compared to a man who would sleep till 9:00 am and eat jelly beans for breakfast. wow if they knew he was also incontinent then they would pee thier pants on stage tonight just so they could be like him.

Do anyone else have any ideas on where to place our Dream Team!!

Posted by HybridFuel on January 30, 2008 at 08:00 PM

Bill Richardson - Secretary of State

I don't have any idea what is involved, do you?

Posted by marymac_memphis on January 30, 2008 at 07:59 PM

its almost imposible to impeach a SCJ but it can be done. we need a 4/5 majority to even try.

This is going to be an interesting primary to watch; the republican primary I mean. It is going to be like a slalom course.

Headed for the Right
McLame and oven-Mitt Romnay are pretending they never heard of George Bush. They won’t mention his name. They will not be seen with him. They certainly don’t want him “stumping” for them. But they are peddling all his same lame ideas. They are out there somewhere way to the right pandering to that Republican base calling to make the tax cuts for the top 1% permanent. They want to “stay the course” in Iraq. They have no real plans for health care reform. They support policies very much like Bush on Social Security. But after one of them gets the nomination (passes that far-right flag), if they want to have any chance of winning, they are going to have to head back toward the middle of the course.

Headed for the Left
They will have to distance themselves from Bush and his policies. All the voters hate Bush. He has like a 4 approval rating. I mean, come on; I’ve scraped dog poop off my shoes that was smarter than George Bush and less arrogant. He has been a dismal failure in every aspect of being president. So they will have to put as much distance between themselves and Bush as they can.

So what we have to do (as patriotic Americans) is tie a great big picture of George Bush around their necks. We should start doing it now. Instead of attacking each other, lets start attacking the republickens by pointing out how much they are like Bush. They will either have to bash Bush or support him. We win either way.

Posted by Johnedwrd on January 30, 2008 at 08:01 PM

They worship Ray-gun who, in his second term, didn't even know his own name. Talk about being a puppet for the neo-cons!

I see now see an important thing for Edwards to do. To change the Democratic platform from a corporate minded platform of Country Club Partying to mainstream country American working needs. I think we need to tackle the states charters one by one and demand "We the people" run the Democratic Party with a populist view. We need to gain the roots to really weed out the Royalty out of Washington that feed on our children's futures. I think the Katrina status quo in Washington reeks of corruption in a religion that have forgot the faith of American patriotism. They use religion like any despot does instead of letting it have human compassion.

I think the Democratic Party needs to endorse the plight of poverty in America by not using welfare but economic stimulus to keep American jobs here and illegal immigrant put. You can still have controlled immigration and workers but they must have the same taxes and social security. (funds set up in their names for 65) Drivers licence can be their nations, international license, or Federal one with the date of the visa, or a month after.

We as American cannot work in Mexico without visas, or approvals, so why can they do it here.

It's very sad about Edwards dropping out. He brought a lot to the race and would have been such an excellent president to have in office during hard times - which, as you all know, I believe are coming fast upon the change in presidents.

Republicans can enact politics that stave off the consequences of Bush's rash economic poliices for a time, but they can't be held back forever. He's just hoping against hope that he'll be out of office before the disaster is upon us. I wonder.

The Debates A Metaphor...

I do have a question, everyone is saying that the GOP is down a two way race...did Huckabee drop out?

Posted by GiG on January 30, 2008 at 08:04 PM

I would hate to see him go as my governor but he would make an excellent secretary of state and UN Ambassador combined.

We as American cannot work in Mexico without visas, or approvals, so why can they do it here.

Posted by dlesterpoet on January 30, 2008 at 08:06 PM

That is how it is supposed to work; however, congress can't get together on a bill to expand and simplify the 'guest worker program.' Thanks to conservative commentators like hypocritical Lou Dobbs, immigration has become a real political 'football.' If the pundits who think that they know every thing would let the 'hype' die down, something might get accomplished.

The Constitution provides that Justices "shall hold their Offices during good Behavior" (unless appointed during a Senate recess). The term "good behavior" is interpreted to mean that the Justices may serve for the remainder of their lives, although this is not compulsory as they may resign or retire voluntarily. A Justice may also be removed by impeachment and conviction by congressional vote, but only one Justice has ever been impeached by the House (Samuel Chase, in 1805) and he was acquitted by the Senate, making impeachment as a restraint on the court something of a paper tiger. Moves to impeach sitting justices have occurred more recently (for example, William O. Douglas was the subject of hearings twice, once in 1953 and once in 1970), but they have not even reached a vote in the House.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States

Now this is what I call 'economic stimulus!' why can't we have more of this!!!!
Democrats in congress, Stand up and DEMAND that any stimulus package include similar job creation programs!!!

The Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) is a federally owned corporation in the United States created by congressional charter in May 1933 to provide navigation, flood control, electricity generation, fertilizer manufacturing, and economic development in the Tennessee Valley, a region particularly impacted by the Great Depression. The TVA was envisioned not only as an electricity provider, but also as a regional economic development agency that would use federal experts and electricity to rapidly modernize the region's economy and society.

I think Edwards voice needs to keep the fight for real change in the Democratic Party, ask Hillary and Obama, where they stand with the Constitution, Guantanamo, Patriot Act, and most of all Civil Liberties. If they are not going to support Civil Liberties, diversity, including economic equality the newest form of segregation. Where the monetary wealth and Country Club Fraternities determine your stature.

It is like being in college where "The Machine" Fraternities run the campus, a few selected mostly white or all white groups who bully their leadership on the masses of students. This is very much, what is done today, the elite of the elite of social wealthy college grads take over a whole nation "At Will," for they are the power brokers of privilege, not "We the people" brought out of poverty.

Posted by Kristen on January 30, 2008 at 08:10 PM

No, he and Ron Paul are still hanging in there it seems, all four are at the debate.

oh, and it's good to see you, I hope you and the baby are doing well!!

"I do have a question, everyone is saying that the GOP is down a two way race...did Huckabee drop out?"

Huckabee doesn't have the money and the organization to mount an extended campaign. His only hope would be for religious conservatives to vote as a bloc, but that wing of the party seems to be as splintered as the rest of the GOP.

To Hillary Clinton:

You are going to win the nomination so knock off the nonsense. I don't care if Obama doesn't like you and you don't like him. The fact you don't like Obama, or the fact you believe you should be the next president does not excuse your implicitly suggesting that anyone who is not a woman cannot support women's rights. Please condemn your supporters who make such declarations and stop implicitly making such declarations yourself. As a liberal democrat who twice supported your husband and has never voted for a Republican except when I voted in the GOP primary in Michigan to screw up their primary process in 2000, I appreciate issues being discussed. I don't appreciate the nonsense you've injected into this campaign. I am very frustrated with your campaign tactics.

You can't convince me to vote for John McCain next November, but you can convince me to stay home. You've got this nomination all but locked up, so what's with this nonsense? In case you haven't noticed, you're in the lead. With all the early voting that's taken place in super-tuesday primaries, you're probably going to run away with this thing on Super Tuesday. Even if John Edwards endorses Obama instead of you, you'll probably win the nomination.

What would I suggest? When reporters are focusing on a stupid photograph in lieu of the issues, or when your supporters start suggesting that anyone who questions whether you're the best candidate is against women, put a stop to it. I also suggest you quit making such suggestions yourself.

Obama wouldn't nominate a justice who would overturn Roe v. Wade, but McCain would. It'd be ironic if you won the nomination by injecting divisive politics into our primary process only to lose the general election to John McCain next November. Alienating people who didn't support you in this primary process isn't the way to win next November, and you don't need to do it to win the nomination. Right now, I feel like you're needlessly alienating me.

You have no idea the level of respect I had for both you and your husband prior to this primary process. I'm certain that you had A LOT to do with the success of your husband's presidency. You got into Yale Law School on your own merits, I know you're a hell of a lot brighter than I am, but you're not running a smart campaign right now, given where you're at.

Posted by TheMilitantDemocrat on January 30, 2008 at 08:15 PM

Wow - is this ever embarrassing. I am a descendent of Samuel Chase and I had no clue!

The Senate voted to acquit Chase of all charges on March 1, 1805, and as a result he remained in office. He is the only U.S. Supreme Court justice to have been impeached.[2] His acquittal is believed to have helped ensure that an independent Federal judiciary would survive partisan challenge. As Chief Justice William Rehnquist noted in his book "Grand Inquests," it became an unofficial precedent that judges would not be impeached based on their performance on the bench. All judges impeached since Chase have been accused of outright criminality.

Posted by marymac_memphis on January 30, 2008 at 08:27 PM

Yeah, it takes decades to change the structure of the Supreme Court. The GOP attempted to impeach one of my favorite justices, William O'Douglas, but to no avail. It is highly probable that Justice Stevens will step down within the next 4-5 years. If we lose the next election and one or more of the moderate justices is replaced,by another right-winger, we may be forced to write-off Consitutional protections of women's rights and gay rights until the structure of the Supreme Court is changed again, which could take many years.

The crooked trial attorney drops out and you people crumble like dried up fruitcake.

Posted by Cactustree on January 30, 2008 at 08:31 PM

I would like to say something but feel inspired by Mr. Edwards high standards.

So you get a pass trollie go watch your debate.

Dearest Democrats,

Here is the Reagan legacy graph of the Reagan debt and Bush Debt and Bush 2 debt!!

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Update on the plundering of your trust funds!!

"US Financial Condition and Fiscal Futures Briefing", by The Honorable David M. Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, to National Press Foundation, January 17, 2008.

http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08446cg.pdf

Here is an update from the Social Security Administration!! The Social Security Administration is playing coconut shell games with the numbers this week and the information is not posted. It’s not posted at the freedom of information act, ssa.gov website nor is it posted at the Socialsecurity.gov website!!

The presses know about the fiscal crisis but are not reporting on it that means they are complicit in the crime against American Trust Funds and Treasury!!

Supply side economics was nothing more than the plundering real cash from your Social Security trust, Medicare and Medicaid and Post Office and Rail Road trust fund to give to their cronies and leave behind a legacy of worthless republican IOU’s. Nothing trickled down except for the republican masturbation fluid on their pant legs!!

Don't want another "whore" for power or money like Tom Delay in office. Don't want to see another (Delay, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc., etc., etc.,) politician "whore" who's able to prostitute his religion and faith and give away America for money, power and the lives of young men and women.

To Edwards supporters:

I'm sorry he dropped out. He did bring a lot to the race and he's an incredibly good man. Hopefully whoever wins this thing will give him a prominent role in her (or much less likely, his) administration. He'll have to figure out which of the remaining candidates to endorse, if any. I wouldn't blame him if he chose not to endorse anyone, after all the nonsense that has occurred during our primary campaign. I hope he will endorse Obama, but I note that neither Obama nor Hillary talked about the issues during the last debate, so I'm not sure either deserves his endorsement at this point.

As an Edwards supporter pointed out in this blog, Hillary Clinton and her supporters started attacking Obama, and Obama and his supporters have been responding with counter-attacks (including me). It's been a disgusting process and Edwards was the only one who actually discussed issues lately. I'm sad to see him go. I like him a lot.

If we lose the next election and one or more of the moderate justices is replaced,by another right-winger

Kev: I am afraid that we would loose what is left of the Bill of Rights. From the first day, (A. Hamilton and his ilk) the re-thug-licans have opposed the Bill of Rights and everything in it, except the 2nd ammendment - of course!

Delay, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc., etc., etc. are disgusting. The party comes first before their country and Constitution. hannity said that today. He said that the republican party is the most important thing in his life. What a disgusting SOB. His Country and family should come first. Delay, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc., etc., etc ARE political whores.

Posted by GiG on January 30, 2008 at 08:21 PM

Hi Gig, it's good to see you and hope all are well!

We are just hanging in around here. :)

Just exhausted by the flag waving god damned bastards from the republican party!! They are the most Un-American, Un-patriotic, un-faithful, false proselytizing thieves!!

Posted by marymac_memphis on January 30, 2008 at 08:42 PM

I know. The stakes couldn't be higher. As such, we shouldn't be calling each other names such as "sexist" or "racist" or "chauvinistic." The remaining candidates should be embracing each other as champions of women's rights, gay rights and minority rights. Hillary Clinton shouldn't tolerate her supporters suggesting that Ted Kennedy has been anything other than a champion of women's rights. The candidates shouldn't be permitting the media to focus on a photograph or an alleged "snubbing." These campaign tactics are ridiculous given what is at stake, and this only has to deal with civil rights.

What about our trade policy and our fiscal policy? We can't afford to lose again, so Hillary supporters should be embracing Obama supporters and vice versa. Furthermore, we should be targeting independents and moderate Republicans, because if we don't, McCain certain will!

Good evening Dems!

Is anyone actually going to watch this farce tonight or are we just going to put the word "I am just like Ronald Reagan" on loop and drink heavily?

Posted by marymac_memphis on January 30, 2008 at 08:42 PM

I know. The stakes couldn't be higher. As such, we shouldn't be calling each other names such as "sexist" or "racist" or "chauvinistic." The remaining candidates should be embracing each other as champions of women's rights, gay rights and minority rights. Hillary Clinton shouldn't tolerate her supporters suggesting that Ted Kennedy has been anything other than a champion of women's rights. The candidates shouldn't be permitting the media to focus on a photograph or an alleged "snubbing." These campaign tactics are ridiculous given what is at stake, and this only has to deal with civil rights.

What about our trade policy and our fiscal policy? We can't afford to lose again, so Hillary supporters should be embracing Obama supporters and vice versa. Furthermore, we should be targeting independents and moderate Republicans, because if we don't, McCain certainly will!

Posted by marymac_memphis on January 30, 2008 at 08:42 PM

Add to that list of things that need to be corrected a cowboy foreign policy that has alienated the rest of the world. Given this list of issues, I again ask why are we calling eachother names, such as "sexist," throughout this primary process? Why again are we alienating each other and questioning whether fellow democrats support women's rights?

The party comes first before their country and Constitution.
Johne: Think about McCain, after what K. Rove/G. Bush did to him with that smear campaign about his family - you know, saying that Cindy McCain's drug addiction was because J. McCain had forced her to adopt his 'black' illegitimate child. Total BS! After what they did and he still backed Bush's every play and embraced him. That's party loyalty over family. Will his loyalty be to his country or to the re-thug - lican party? I think if he put party ahead of family - then there is nothing that he will put ahead of the GOP. Just one of many reasons that I do not and will never trust him.

Posted by Kristen on January 30, 2008 at 08:48 PM

Cool :) and yes, we're doing just fine down here in GA.

One thing I've noticed, not that I care about any of the Republican candidates, but the MSM is giving their "front runners" the same attention they did to ours, meaning the others don't get, and probably never did get a fair share of coverage.

It is a shame, so much for fair and balanced.. right.

Is anyone actually going to watch this farce tonight or are we just going to put the word "I am just like Ronald Reagan" on loop and drink heavily?

Posted by margotb822 on January 30, 2008 at 08:51 PM

Bottoms up!!

They are the most Un-American, Un-patriotic, un-faithful, false proselytizing thieves!!

Posted by HybridFuel on January 30, 2008 at 08:50 PM

So true, Soooo true!!

Mitt and John are fighting on who DOESN"T want the troops out of Iraq more. wow

To Hillary Clinton Supporters:

I'm listening to Dan Abrams right now and I agree with him. Looking at the polls and what happened in Florida and Michigan, Hillary Clinton has a HUGE lead and is running away with the nomination. I'm an Obama supporter, but this thing isn't even close. She can afford to start acting like the bigger person and start acting like the nominee. She doesn't need to engage in the sort of tactics in which she engaged. I would be shocked if the race is even close after February 5, 2008. Because this is the case, even if John Edwards were to enthusiastically endorse Obama, Hillary Clinton will most likely win this thing. Hillary Clinton has been in the same position throughout the entire campaign, THE LEAD, she can afford to act like it.

Mitt and John are fighting on who DOESN"T want the troops out of Iraq more. wow

Posted by TheMilitantDemocrat on January 30, 2008 at 09:06 PM

Wait for it, wait ... Soon they will argue who will give the biggest tax breaks to the uber rich and hurt the middle class the most!

Hillary Clinton has been in the same position throughout the entire campaign, THE LEAD, she can afford to act like it.

Posted by Kev on January 30, 2008 at 09:09 PM

I agree 100%!!

Hillary is my choice but we must come out of this primary united!

Posted by marymac_memphis on January 30, 2008 at 09:12 PM

waiting for it ...

For anyone interested, I've posted my farewell to John Edwards.

Fare Thee Well, John Edwards. You Are Already Missed.

I'm so put out by the political situation today. I have no intention of dropping the Dem party. In fact, I feel that we need to redouble our efforts for the general election. Our nation is in shambles and the media continues to make this a circus. Shame on them for forcing this race!

Who can tell me what station the Democratic debate will be on tomorrow night?

dlesterpoet, how are you, hadnt talked to you for awhile, i noticed you thought we should ask hillary and obama about civil rights. well, maybe we should look up what they both have accomplished during their college years before they got into politics. i believe that really tells us where theirs hearts are. I'll be posting some on hillary tonight and maybe someone else will post something on obama also and we could all learn something. I have posted somethings already on hillary today, but you haveto read my entire post to find them.

Connie! Hi! How are you tonight. I hope that you are having a good day.
Has anyone seen gro4me lately? I haven't seen her in days.

Who can tell me what station the Democratic debate will be on tomorrow night?

Posted by Johnedwrd on January 30, 2008 at 09:31 PM

CNN

CNN

Posted by TheMilitantDemocrat on January 30, 2008 at 09:42 PM

Do you know who is scheduled to moderate?

time to close up shop
bbl

Hey Kev, do you remember me your old buddy from texas. you and i had a few words a while back and i have to say i was wrong. Really in the end we are the democratic party and so much better than the puks, like someone said on an above blog, they dissed mccain, mccain wife and etc. i think we should all learn from that and not do it. this is america and we all have the right to choose our candidate and we should not publicly diss someone else's. right now ive been looking in earnest at obama's pre political life and its very interesting as is hillary's. we as a party are blessed with the best nominee's my generation has ever seen, so let's be happy and in the end, we must "love the one were with" does anyone remember that song?

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 09:36 PM

Both Clinton and Obama believe in civil rights in their hearts and in their guts. Anyone that would suggest otherwise is being divisive. You may believe that Clinton is more experienced and should therefore win, that's legitimate belief and a legitimate argument that may or may not be valid, but if the meaning of your post is to implicitly suggest Obama doesn't believe in civil rights to the depths of his soul or that he doesn't have that in his heart, or that he doesn't support women's rights or that he doesn't believe in women's rights in his heart, I think that's disgusting. That would be like me suggesting Hillary Clinton hates all white men, blacks, latinos and homosexuals, which is absurd.

Posted by TheMilitantDemocrat on January 30, 2008 at 09:17 PM

I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from. We need to start convincing others it's time to start moving together and quit playing games. If Clinton and her supporters treat those of us who don't prefer her to another democratic candidate as if we're not democrats or as if we don't hold democratic ideals near and dear to our hearts, that's going to open wounds that may not heal in time for the election. I am almost certain Hillary Clinton is going to win this thing, which is fine, but I want her to treat democrats who didn't support her for the party nomination with the respect we deserve.

Posted by margotb822 on January 30, 2008 at 09:28 PM

This is a very powerful, beautiful piece you have written. Thank you for sharing.

hey mary mac, no not especially, my day sucked. i have a chauvinist pig boss.

OH NO! Obama has a fine record on civil, women and everyone's rights as does Hillary, as i said we should be excited beyond belief for the great people we have running, american cant lose if we can beat those d____ repuks. Obama has a fine record>

OH NO! Obama has a fine record on civil, women and everyone's rights as does Hillary, as i said we should be excited beyond belief for the great people we have running, american cant lose if we can beat those d____ repuks. Obama has a fine record>

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 09:45 PM

I am so glad you said that. I was watching the news tonight and listening to different groups diss Obama and suggest he doesn't support women's rights and it was infuriating to me. Anyone that's been through what Hillary Clinton has been through could handle the presidency. I believe she'll win the nomination, and if she can play her cards right and be conciliatory, I believe she can beat McCain, but we can't question whether each of us supports homosexual rights, women's rights, minorities' rights, etc.

All democrats I know have supported these things and fought for them. All democrats I know have think it's a disgrace so many children in this Country fall through the cracks and don't have access to regular healthcare. All democrats I know are disgusted by the Bush Administration's foreign policy. We couldn't sleep when Gore lost in 2000. All Democrats I know are deeply concerned about the structure of the Supreme Court. I want to hear Hillary Clinton say this tomorrow. She is far enough ahead where she can now be conciliatory and magnanimous in her victory. She should understand that those of us that didn't support her for the nomination were mainly terrified of losing again and we were worried she wouldn't win the general election. That's what's motivated me. I know she's incredibly brilliant and, let's face it, Bill Clinton's Presidency would have been in shambles without her, for about 500 different reasons.

OH NO! Obama has a fine record on civil, women and everyone's rights as does Hillary, as i said we should be excited beyond belief for the great people we have running, american cant lose if we can beat those d____ repuks. Obama has a fine record>

. I am almost certain Hillary Clinton is going to win this thing, which is fine, but I want her to treat democrats who didn't support her for the party nomination with the respect we deserve.

Posted by Kev on January 30, 2008 at 09:45 PM

Again i agree and i am not alone in reminding our canidate that she must fight the good fight. Primarys become heated when the canidates feel the need to one up or respond to each other. We as voters must hold the canidates to certain standards. how about a grassroots effort to save them from themselves. we could email warnings to our canidates when they go too far.

kev, are you sure she's saying it or the pundits are saying it, it doesnt make much difference, we need to as a party not to keep it going though!

Posted by margotb822 on January 30, 2008 at 09:28 PM

Thank you, margot822, for your eloquent summary of John Edwards and what he stood for.

Posted by GiG on January 30, 2008 at 09:50 PM

Thanks!

I know there has been a lot of petty bickering and bashing between the Hillary and Obama camps, but I think that needs to stop today. Especially, now that the Edwards supporters are out of a candidate. I am seriously conflicted on these two remaining candidates and this BS doesn't help.

I'd like to hear for supporters of both candidates. I think that the candidate websites are useless fluff for mass consumers.

KEV, MILITANT, i THINK THEY ARE DOING POLITICS, BOTH OF THEM AND THATS WHAT HAPPENS.
wHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS FORM A COALITION ON THIS BLOG TO STOP ALL THE DISSING AND UGLINESS AND LEAVE IT TO THE CAMPAIGNS. THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO, TO GET ELECTED AND HELP US. THEY COULD NOT POSSIBLY GO THRU OR PUT THEIR FAMILY THRU THIS TORTURE UNLES THEY BELIEVED IN THEIR HEART THEY ARE THE BEST TO GIVE WHAT WE NEED. lEAVE IT TO THEM!!
Lets all get together a realize with all the fighting their doing they are doing it for us. Maybe seems kind of an unusual way to look at it, but hey its like my job, some things i don't like and i have to do it for the greater good that i accomplish by giving the best care to my patients.
LETS GET TOGETHER AND NOT BE LIKE THE PUKES, STEPPING ON AND EATING THEIR OWN, WE ARE THE PARTY OF THE PEOPLE, hEY?

Posted by TheMilitantDemocrat on January 30, 2008 at 09:57 PM

I think a grassroots effort could help. I do think the acrimony between Obama and the Clintons has gone too far. Both candidates are brilliant wonderful people who have spent their lives fighting for things I care about. I just wish the game playing would stop. Honestly, it's making us all look really bad. I'd almost say it's making us look Rovian.

By the way, I agreed with Dan Abrams that the media pundits have been completely unfair to Hillary Clinton with the manner in which they have described the dynamics of the race. It isn't nearly as close as they suggest. In addition, for the media to act like Florida and Michigan don't matter is disgusting. Those states are both critical in the general election and even if we were stupid enough to strip delegates from those states, Florida and Michigan are both critical to the primary process in my mind. I have to say, a lot of what motivated me to support Obama was my belief that the media won't be fair to the Clintons. I mean, we have President Bush who lied to get us into an ill-considered war and the media let that go for years while thousands of our young men and women died and billions of dollars were wasted. Bill Clinton lied about a horrible mistake he made in his personal life, a mistake that did not impact the Country, and the media crucified him. The media also went after Hillary, one of the main victims of Bill's mistake, during that same time period. I know this isn't the way presidential candidates should be selected, but I thought may be the media would be fairer to Obama. I also thought that uninformed voters would at least "like" Obama more and therefore vote for him instead of McCain. Personally, I'm indifferent between Obama's policies and those of Hillary Clinton. I agree with both of them.

John Edwards can still be the standard by which we judge the other candidates. He has raised the bar for what is expected this election.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 10:01 PM

I agree. We have to put a stop to it. The candidates will have an opportunity during the next debate to help.

I have always voted Democratic but have been rethinking my vote because of Florida and Michigan losing their delegates. I knew that they lose their delegates because of moving up their primary but did not realize that SC also did the same. Why was not S.C penalized also? Florida is an importance state to win the General election how could this be done to them? The DNC is not acting very smart here and again is allowing the Republicans to gain. I am seriously thinking of voting Republican because the DNC does not seem to care about loyal voters. The DNC is doing to Florida what was done to them in 2000. How terrible?

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 10:09 PM

I'm not sure the bickering is for the greater good. It's been very divisive, actually and, in the eyes of independents, it could blur policy distinctions between us and the Republicans, which is dangerous. I think you're right that we're lucky as a party to have in Clinton and Obama two brilliant candidates that care about important issues, but I do expect them to act responsibly toward each other.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 09:56 PM

You've said it well, and it deserved the multiple posts :)

Seriously, it's been good to read you connfloyd.

Good evening, everyone.

I caught only the end of the Republican debate.

You've got to love watching McCain and Romney trying so hard to convince viewers that they can do anything better than Bush.

The Preacher Man must have felt like Cooper stuck him at the children's table with Uncle Paul. But I'll give Huckabee this...he knows how to answer a direct question instead of falling back on "vast experience."

You can see it now. McCain is going to be a one trick pony. He uses his Islamic Terrorism refrain just like Giuliani used 9/11. He even calls the Iraqi surge...the McCain surge. It's war, war, war. One hundred years of war.

But what else can he do? He's not a true conservative and is going to have a hard time talking about his record.

That's what I'd challenge him on. Why has he repeatedly failed to support the Republican party agenda in his votes in the Senate but runs for president as one?

Will he be the same sort of maverick in the White House? If so, why should Americans vote Democratic Lite when they have real ones? Is he a stealth candidate for Republicans and Democrats alike?

...Oh, and he also freely admits he doesn't know anything about the economy nor sees the need to save jobs in the United States.

Romney is just plain pathetic.

Posted by carmenx2 on January 30, 2008 at 10:12 PM

bullshit...end of story.

Could someone please tell me why Republican commentators believes that Obama is the better candidate??????

Posted by carmenx2 on January 30, 2008 at 10:12 PM

The only thing I can do is apologize for the behavior of the Democratic Party and beg you not to change your vote due to this behavior. Given the size of our national debt, our ballooning trade and budget deficits, the foundering economy, the fact the GOP's foreign policy has alienated the rest of the world and the structure of the Supreme Court, we can't afford to lose another election. Oh, and let's not forget souring healthcare costs, college eduction costs, and the fact Social Security is at risk. It was stupid that we stripped delegates from Michigan and Florida. I sincerely hope the delegates are reinstated prior to the convention, although I don't know if that would heal the damage at this point... To the extent I can apologize to you, I am sincerely sorry we did this. It doesn't make sense to me either, but please don't vote Republican in the general election in November.

(Connfloyd: it is for these reasons Obama and Clinton need to knock off the nonsense NOW and they need to act respectful toward each other)

Well kev that might not happen, so lets keep our eyes on the prize, we can't lose!

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I am a hard core Hillary supporter, as you know, but it hurt when Edwards dropped out. I feel like the primary lost some of its shine today. He was the anchor that tied the primary to the real problems we all face.He challenged all the canidates to stay on the issues and screamed at the top of his voice for poor americans. Even at the end he pleaded for the canidates to " make ending poverty and economic inequality central to their Presidency. This is the cause of my life and I now have their commitment to engage in this cause. "

Mr. Edwards i am so proud to be in YOUR party.

We all have thought about his role in 2009, may i say a man such as him would make outstanding Supreme Court Justice. Granted the supreme court will have to work hard to live up to his standards.

To the Edwards supporters, hats off to you for supporting a truly great man.

goodnight all

OK!!

As a dem I am excited about our chances. I will gladly support Hilary or Obama. I love both of them. However, I am concerned that we are so afraid of the Republicans that we are trying to make the Obama fever more than what it is. We want to think that Hope is something that will inspire the electorate to give us a chance again. We want to believe that unity is more important than the things that our party stands for. Lets get real. The American electorate has tried to balance the rule of one party over another for some time now.-IT DOES NOT WORK VERY WELL- This is why we can not advance our parties agenda.
We need a working majority! We need to FIGHT for it!!!!!!
The Clinton's blew a great opportunity in the 90's when we had a chance to have the House,Senate,and the Whitehouse. But,despite of it all;they got things done that was unbelievable. We made great strides. They know how to play the game now. Those Republicans sure knew how to make us feel bad about supporting our Democrartic leader. (He sure helped them every chance he got) But let's face it: things were good in the 90's. I kind of think of it like my own life. In my 20's I was full ideas, opportunities were bountiful, and my mistakes were huge-but mine to make. My experience was not fully tried and I was not able to see the
complexities of all that lay before me (the 90's).
In my 30's my opportunities were less, my responsibilities were greater, my ideas fewer,and the mess of my life became much more clear. It was then I was able to focus my eyes and see what a mess of things I had made.It was then I understood
that my actions were not inconsequential.(Bush's disaster till RIGHT NOW). In my 40's I had learned
what not to do, I had figured out a plan of action, I had the experience and know how to get the things done that I valued. and I put my house back in order. I had learned that I had to prioritize those things that were important.According to the things that would bear
fruit. I had learned talk was cheap,actions tangible, and that truth was not easily packaged.(This is our nations NEXT). In my 50's after my house was in order I was able to inspire, lead, dream and believe again.
We need to put our house back in order!!!!!!!
We need to Fight!!!!!
That is why I feel we need to support Hilary Clinton. This is not about rejecting Obama!!!!
We never should have let them make us apologize for our Democratic values or feel bad about what we knew in our hearts were true. This idea that America is not divided just simply does not hold muster. We see things way different than the Republicans. We do not need to out republican them. Support the one who has been tested. Stand up and Fight. Hillary knows how to fight.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS FORM A COALITION ON THIS BLOG

Yeah, I'll join a coalition to get people to stop typing in all caps.

However, it does seem to have scared away the resident trolls. Where are those people when you finally need them?

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Hello Dems, hope everyone is enjoying the exciting build up to the big day next week. I'm not here to debate which of our fine candidates will or will not do the best job of cleaning up the mess the fascist rethuglicans have left us. What I would like to mention briefly is an idea about how we might get a handle on the huge problem we have in this country of health care. Compared to other major countries in the world, our's is clearly the most disfunctional of the lot. And calls to leave the solution to the so called 'free market' are patently absurd given that is precisely the reason we are in our present situation. Also, I don't believe any one candidate has all the answers to this problem. Its solution can only be found when all parties involved sit down, roll up their sleves, and hammer out a system that will work in the best interest of the health of our people. Incidently, those who decry government involvement forget the people are the government. For my part, though, I believe a big step in the right direction would be: 1> that the government own the physical facilities (hospitals and clinics) 2> administrative management companies operate the facilities without charge 3> all billable services be charged on a sliding scale with the slope of the scale determined by the cost of the service 4> below cost services would be picked up by the government 5> people would still have the option of buying into private insurance plans 6> given that people who couldn't afford to pay wouldn't have to, medicare and medicaid may not be necessary. All of this somewhat assumes we can put the brakes on a runaway pharmaceutical industry.

Hope23 I could not have agreed more. Thanks.

Posted by margotb822 on January 30, 2008 at 10:09 PM

I'm probably the last one you want to ask for a clear opinion. I started out supporting Richardson and always liked Obama and Edwards. When Richardson dropped out I started to do the same soul searching on who would best represent what I was looking for in a candidate and after a lot or reading and Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope", which embraced what is important to me, I became an Obama supporter. This does not mean I wasn't heartbroken today when Edwards called it quits. And this does not mean I don't respect Clinton.

I do think, in this election cycle, we've had a wonderful slate of candidates all around, and it's a shame that so many have already dropped out of the race before the majority of the people had a chance to vote for them. So many wonderful people. Democrats should be very proud of the caliber of all of them , not that the MSM gave them justice.

So, here are my useless two cents of opinion.

Sandy, looks they once again simply changed their names.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 10:27 PM

You're right that we can't lose, but unfortunately, as George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and Reagan have recently shown us, we can lose if we're not careful about how we conduct ourselves. I have my "eyes on the prize," but will Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton quit with the nonsense and do the same?? If not, we're going to have a tougher time next November, and I don't want to have a tough time. I want to be able to go to bed at 11:00 p.m. knowing we have overwhelming elected a Democrat as the next president of the United States and that we have done so in a manner that, to the extent possible, will unite the Country. Hillary Clinton can redirect the campaign to get on the road to this outcome right now, but she has to change her tactics. She has a huge lead in most of the large states. She can now act like it and refocus the campaign of 2008 on what it should be about; GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE EIGHT YEARS OF HELL THAT HAVE ENSUED SINCE SHE AND HER HUSBAND LEFT THE WHITEHOUSE.

KEV AND GIG, WE HAVE A NEW NASTY COMMENTATOR UP THERE.
EAR WE DO NOT LIKE OR APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG ABOUT OUR FANTASTIC LINE OF CANDIDATES!
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY BAD MOUTHING OF THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES, SO IF ANYONE IS NEW HERE RIGHT NOW, PLEASE DISREGARD THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN GOING ON WITH EAR!!!!!

Amen Connfloyd. Ear has also been known as ankle and foot on earlier posts.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM

That's why I have to kill my computer mice often, scrolling by is a wonderful feature :)

listen gig and kev, i been looking up our two candidates records during college and have found some on obama and would be greatfull if anyone has anymore so we can post them. i like looking at the college (law school) because i think it gives us insight into the real person before politics. Just a thought, i know hillary from age 14 and would like to and have posted obama's today for any undecided voter or maybe an independent. Maybe we could cut down a little on the misinformation like the muslim lie, and all that crap the media has stirred up.

Posted by BoilerMan on January 30, 2008 at 10:38 PM

BoilerMan,

Now they're saying we can't lose no matter who gets the nomination?

Posted by Ear on January 30, 2008 at 10:35 PM

You do realize you are playing to to a different crowd these days who couldn't possibly appreciate your unique talents? Let's hope they stick around and yell even louder.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Yeah I noticed that. I agree with the nice things he said about Obama, but I couldn't have done without the negative things about the Clintons. Rumor has it that it took both Bill and Hillary Clinton to clean up the disaster that was our fiscal budget when the Clintons arrived at the Whitehouse in January of 1993. Together they took one of the largest budget deficits of all time and turned it into a surplus. Throughout the world, Bill Clinton was admired and invited to speak. I remember New Year's Eve in 2000, in the twilight of the Clintons first trip to the Whitehouse it seemed like the United States was in a position spread peace throughout the world, instead of war.

When Bill made lied about the nasty personal mistake he made, Hillary stuck with him and probably helped save his presidency. Although her efforts to reform healthcare were hamstrung by the legislature, at least she had the courage to try. In addition, the Clintons fought for gay rights, family leave, and a whole host of other programs to numerous to set forth here. Crime was down, prosperity was up. Anything seemed possible. We were going to use our budget surplus to save social security and pay down the debt. Instead, George W. Bush gave it way in the form of tax cuts that went primarily to corporations and wealthy individuals. After eight years of Bush, my how our Country has suffered.

I don't know anything about the size of any of the candidates' asses, but that commment couldn't be more irrelevant.

That said, Obama does have the ability to inspire and has fought for the same things for which Bill and Hillary Clinton have fought, and I sincerely hope the Clintons and Obama will make an effort to change the tone of our campaign. This campaign should be about taking our Country in a different direction and making it great again. This campaign should be about how to ensure that America's best days are yet to come. We can help make this be the case.

The truth of the matter is we now have two great candidates. It has been a long time when we were in such a hard situation. I think it is good for us of common goals to advocate for our candidates. I agree that emotions are playing a big role in all of this.
That's ok- we are known as the bleeding heart party. I am proud of that. I am proud that we don't let the
party pick their MAN and we all fall in line-like good little sheeps.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 10:50 PM

I think that's a great idea but unfortunately I don't have any links saved on my desktop and I have to get to bed so I won't be able to help with that project today.

Actually, this would be a great feature post for the DNC. They can of course not be biased but since it's only two candidates remaining (sorry Gravel), they perhaps could post information in detail about both of them (or all three left).

G'nite all.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM

In my last post, I meant to say, "but I could have done without the negative things about the Clintons..."

and yes, both Hillary and Barack are unbelievably brilliant. My wife and I met at law school. We went to a good one, but it wasn't Harvard or Yale. I did some campaigning and civil rights work, but nothing compared to either one of these candidates. They are both incredible people. When you've tried to do some of the things they've done, you then realize how difficult it is, and your respect grows, big time. I also think both spouses of both candidates are pretty amazing ;-)

Dearest Democrats,

When I see a republican Christian right,

I see a political party that stole $52.7 Trillion from American Trust Funds,
I see a republican political party and the evangelical Christian right that enabled the thief of USA treasury to the tune of $9.8 trillion.
I see a evangelical Christian right organization that sold $200 million to $600 million in Christian heaven bonds that defaulted on the bonds and left church members’ retirement funds broke.
I see republican allow insurance companies to deny services to victims of Katrina and Rita.
I see republicans and evangelical Christian right use religious affiliations to deny healthcare services.
I see republicans that allowed a bond insurance company that insured Trillion in commercial paper run a ponzi scam.
I see evangelical religious right leaders and republican business contrive to defraud senior citizens of their whole life insurance polices.
I see evangelical religious right false proselytize the words of god, bear false witness and exact punishment against the teaching of Christ my savior.

When I see a republican evangelical Christian right waving a flag, wearing a cross, wearing a flag on their lapel or standing next to a sign stating United States of America; it reminds me of the anger I felt when I saw Mapplethorpe put a cross of Jesus in urine or the Hippy that defecated on the American Flag. When I see a repugnant x-tain reich with a flag or a cross, I am offended. I am offended because of the desecration the republican evangelical Christian right did to MY Country United States of America and MY Church and MY Religion.

I am offended just as strongly when someone urinated on the cross, defecated on my flag as republican evangelical Christian right waving a flag, wearing a cross or wearing a flag lapel.

Posted by Ear on January 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM

I thought you had the scoop direct from Matt Drudge? Can't have a more reliable source than that.

But now you think it was just a rumor after all? You must feel terrible spreading around what has now been proven a unfounded alliegation like that.

You have my sympathies. Keeping track of all these family values violations is tough work. Don't be too hard on yourself.

What's the latest about Britney and her new boy toy photographer? She could possibly be dating a Republican by any chance?

Thank you. connfloyd,

I hope the democrats do allow these del. to participate because Florida was disenfranchised I want to vote democratic but not if we act like the Republicans in 2000. Then I may as well vote for them.

KEV, where are these polls your talking about, i can't find anything that looks like what your talking about?

Good evening Dems!
Is anyone actually going to watch this farce tonight or are we just going to put the word "I am just like Ronald Reagan" on loop and drink heavily?
Posted by margotb822 on Jan 30, 2008 at 08:51 PM

LOL. That sounds good to me.
Anderson Cooper says,
"Bonzo contestant #1, Gov Huckabee, what do you have to say to Bonzo contestant #3, Gov Romney, who claims to be more Bonzo than you?

"Well... there you go again. Everybody knows I'm more Bonzo than all these phoney Bonzo Bozos put together."

Well I have to say carmenx I hope that you would not allow the republican strategy to suppress your vote to work. That was the intended result. Don't let there attack on your right to have your voice heard work. Stand up and make history. Vote Democratic this November>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by HybridFuel on January 30, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Hybrid,

But if they do all these things in the name of St. Reagan and their sweet lord, it's OK to act like the Pharisees.

The ones that amuse while outraging me the most are those that build these huge media empires and sit around on their sets advocating that our CIA kill off any world leader they don't like...as well as tell the faithful that waterboarding is a necessary evil.

Posted by Ear on January 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Wow, that was an ugly and unfortunate thing to say about a man who lost a child and will probably prematurely lose his spouse. Especially since John Edwards has spent his life fighting for the little guy, in spite of the pain he's had to endure. Even if you are a Republican and don't agree with the man, how can you show such little respect for the suffering he's endured. Even if you don't agree with the means through which he tried to make our Country better, you still ought to be able to show some respect. There are a lot of Republican Politicians with whom I disagree, a lot of my friends are Republicans and I deeply disagree with them, but I still show respect for them as individuals. Your posts about Hillary Clinton and John Edwards betrayed your complete lack of respect for them as fellow people, and I feel sorry for you, that is not the way to go through life.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I wouldn't look at polls, they are a way for the MSM to spin the support - people get scared and vote for the candidate that the polls tell them has a chance of winning... can we put "instant runoff voting" on the platform for our candidates along with campaign finance reform?

Wishful thinking...now I'm really out of here.. enjoy the evening everyone.

To any repugnant x-tain reich,

The flag of my country will survive your desecration, your republican party and evangelical christian organizations may not survive your actions!! You and only your actions are responsible for your parties and organisations down fall!

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I've seen polls in New York, California, New Jersey and several other large states that show Clinton ahead of Obama by well into the double digits. The polls were mentioned on MSNBC. In addition, I wouldn't discount the import of the Michigan and Florida contests just because the media has attempted to do so. Hillary Clinton won handily in both those states.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Edwards was't going to go anywhere anyway.

While your wife is dying of cancer you just cannot knock up a younger, prettier, non dumpy babe.

You just can't do that.

Posted by Ear on January 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Ear,

I'm not one to look to deeply into why people say the things that they say. I do know life is filled with irony.

There are many times in our lives, that events occur beyond our control. These events are sometimes accompanied by great pain. A pain so unbearable that no drug can relieve its onslaught.

If that pain hasn't happened to you yet, it's just a matter of time.

I promise you two things will happen when the pain comes.

1. You will remember just how callous you were today.

2. You will never do it again.

It's too late to look away, it's already burned into your mind.

And as far as John & Elizabeth Edwards are concerned, you're not in their league. You're a punk, that talks big here where there are no consequences. Well, I've got news for you. Everything has consequences.

REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER

I looked at the Repubican debate tonight and saw: DEAD MEN TALKING. Yet the media was not as critical. Hence,I believe that the Dem has a good chance of beating the Republicans in the GE.

Hi SandyH,

I just got so upset watching those idiots try to see who can match the economic stupidity of driving the debt up to 70% of GDP!!

What a bunch of morons!!!???!!

I was so offended by the back drop and what they were saying; I had to get it off my mind!

Please excuse my rambling!

Thank you to everyone!

United Colors for Better Democratic America!!

We will WIN!! I can feel it!!

Keep the faith and Unite everyone!

Unite to form our "Dream Team!"

We must win to regain our country and soul!

YES KEV, I actually looked up Obama's record today because he may win and I'm not the kind of voter that can hold my nose and pull a lever, I must believe in that person. So knowing he may win, and you know that hasn't been what i've wanted. I decided today to give him a chance and actually looked up the stuff. I wasn't interested in the oratory stuff, I wanted real fact, i mean actual shoes on the concrete stuff and of coarse i found it and was happy. i now think i can vote for obama in good conscious, although i do want hillary to win. just my choice and you can't diss me for that. So anyway if all the people on here would just read their bio's from their college years, they could actually feel good about which ever one won and still have a favorite for whatever the reason.
I plan on digging deeper on Obama as I'm sure there's more good stuff and i'll post them as I will with Hillary's. Someone today did not know that hillary was on the watergate committee and was an investigator, gees i thought everyone knew that, but they don't.

Posted by Growingold on January 30, 2008 at 11:19 PM

You said it better than I did. Thank you.

Posted by Ear on January 30, 2008 at 11:08 PM

It still must depress you. And McCain doing so well must thrill a true conservative like yourself to no end.

But don't worry the MSM ran a story this week that people get happier as they get past midddle age...who would have guessed. That Social Security entitlement works wonders. So...you must be feeling pretty good these days?

Have you decided which Medicare perscription drug plan will rip you off the least next year? How much earlier will the doughnut hole hit you?

But I do suppose you own a lot of drug company stock so it all evens out in the end. Which foreign drug companies do you have in your portfolio? Do you think the Indians or Chinese will nationalize them before Willard Scott gets around to featuring you on "Tthe Today Show?"

And I want you to know that you can be part of the coalition, too.

Nobody is going to be left behind in this new alliance...unless they went deaf from all the yelling that's been going on in here.

The Democratic debate should be interesting tomorrow. Please tear yourself away from "American Idol" and watch it.

GOOD NIGHT, ALL.

Posted by connfloyd on January 30, 2008 at 11:21 PM

I won't diss you for your choice. Hillary was actually in the Whitehouse and has taken some major political hits, she is incredibly bright and has been an effective U.S. Senator. My choice is an example of pure political pragmatism, based only on which democratic candidate I think will have the best chance of winning. I have known for quite some time where these candidates stand on the issues and that they were incredibly intelligent and capable people. Knowing that, my decision was based on the individual I thought the media would christen "most likeable" and "most appealing to independents and youthful voters," you know? All that nonsense the media pulls. I also beleive that given the favorable media coverage, Obama would be able to better use the bully pulpit, but just to be completely honest with you, this isn't because I believe he's more capable than Hillary Clinton. I don't. I believe the media conglomerates would give Obama more favorable coverage and would "make" Obama more effective at "reaching across the aisle," etc. If the media had actually been fair to the Clintons when they were first in the Whitehouse, we would have saved Social Security, we would have reformed healthcare, etc. Who knows? If Obama were to win the nomination, the media could completely turn on him and start ripping him apart, thereby destroying my theory...

11:20 carmenx2: ROFLMAO THAT WAS A GREAT LINE.
DEAD MAN TALKING! lol

There are many times in our lives, that events occur beyond our control.

Posted by Growingold on January 30, 2008 at 11:19 PM

How was, while his wife is dying of cancer knocking up a younger, prettier, non dumpy babe out of his control.

Posted by Ear on January 30, 2008 at 11:32 PM

that's it ... don't let it go, hang on to it.

Karma can be a mutha

Here is one thing I'd like to know:
What is the difference in the Republicans' proposed energy policy, and Obama's energy policy?

According to Romney and Obama, they sound the same. When the republicans are as green as the Democrats, we have a problem. Just how are Democrats going to rally environmentalists to the polls, when they don't see much, if any, difference from the Republicans?

As a