I have been a devote Democrat my entire life. I am 72 years old now. If my party insists on Obama I will become a Republican & vote All Republicans into office. I am not doing yhis because Obama is Black but because He is the one who has pushed the RACE issue. I think he is a lying piece of GARBAGE.

Mad(as in insane)Ray:
What the hell does your trash talking have to do with the fact that waterboarding is torture, and our government has deliberately crapped all over the Geneva Conventions, and any semblance of humanity (as in humane) in our actions against human beings?
You are deliberately trying to change the subject, and I strongly suspect that a. you were going to vote Republican anyway, and b. you can't stand to see the truth come out about the Republican party of the Greedy Old Perverts!

What is it with the waterboarding issue, anyway? Sure, there are moral issues with torture. It appears to me that the issue seems to be less about morals and more about support for party. It appears to me that people calling themselves republicans tend to either downplay waterboarding or torture in general, regardless of their personal feelings. Those calling themselves democrats seem to all say that waterboarding and guantanamo are the greatest crimes ever committed...again regardless of their personal feelings.
But while there has been lots of criticism about Guantanamo from the Dems, I haven't heard a lot of offers of an alternative from the front running candidates. What do you do with enemy combatants when there isn't a declared war with a foreign state? Try them in an Iraqi court? Yeah, that'll work...
I guess here's the place to make a comment of personal belief...In the case of waterboarding: withdraw from all international treaties and organizations that prohibit the use of harsh interrogation, and have an executive order that allows for the use of any harsh interrogation as long as probable cause can be established that the person has information which if not revealed in a timely fashion will result in the loss of american lives. The GOP can then say with perfect honesty that what they are doing is legal. The democrats can then debate the issue as a moral issue, and it can go to the courts as such. The constitution does NOT apply to foreigners in foreign lands...if we want it to, then we need to put troops there to enforce it...the same way that our troops are available to enforce it here when states refuse to abide by it (Selma, Little Rock, Etc).
I do think that democrats could spend a couple of moments and recognize that waterboarding hasn't been used for several years, and there are no plans to start it up again, so all this arguing is kinda a moot point.

As far a Guantanamo...offer captured enemy combatants a choice (at least those who may have useful information)...give us the information we want and we'll offer you incarceration in an iraqi detention facility for the duration of the conflict... or a bullet in the back of the head and a shallow grave. I agree that detaining someone indefinately, without charge, against their will, and without any kind of trial is wrong. It is not wrong (or illegal by international law) to, during time of war, simply execute on the spot enemy combatants who are caught in the act of sabotage, combat, or spying and who are not wearing the uniform of a recognized enemy state.
If the combatants want to start acting like a civilized army which itself adheres to international laws pertaining to treatment of prisoners and follows all the other laws which describe acceptable behavior in an armed conflict, then by all means, they would be entitled to all the protections guarenteed by the geneva convention. If they want to roam the land blowing things up like a band of marauding islamic barbarians, then they should expect to be treated accordingly.

At a recent union meeting, one of the reps asked why everyone hadn't volunteered to make calls supporting the DNC.
My answer is this...put a democratic candidate in front of me who has more morals than a snake (hasn't been accused of rape prior to running for president), opposes the use of illegal drugs (even by his own self), believes that it's a person's responsibility to feed themselves, clothe themselves, house themselves, and the government is there to protect the peace and provide for emergency service...then I'll vote for them. Keep putting in front of me candidates that believe that it is the duty of the government (and taxpayers) to support those unwilling to support themselves, who think that taxes should be paid mostly by the rich, as opposed to a simple flat income tax rate, candidates who think the best way to fix problems is to throw taxpayer money at the poor...I'll keep voting GOP. Not becuase I agree with everything they stand for, but because at least their candidates aren't active socialists. And they aren't likely to take my guns away. And they view abortion not as a simple women's rights issue, but as a deeper moral issue of protecting the rights of unborn children. Gosh, is there anything I agree upon with the DNC? I don't agree with how we prosecuted the war with Iraq. We shouldn't have gone in to liberate them...we should have kicked the shit out of them for a year from the air, marched in after they were begging for the bombs to stop, and occupied the country for the united states. Then given them a three year guarenteed occupation to re-write their constitution to a document that better protected the rights of their people and allowed their people to determine the direction of their government. Then left with the warning that if we ever had to come back, we'd do so behind 200 megatons of fusion bombs.

Just watch Documentary called "Taxi To dark side" it gives you that there are more than 17,000 people still held for no reason. Terror ? Only terror I see is our president and thier war head buddies.