Jefferson was a great man, but as President he didn't do anything to put him in the "Great" category. Same with Washington. Lincoln saved the Union.

Honk honk you commie asshats!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Harpo_thinks_you_are_all_socialist_asshats on January 15, 2008 at 07:25 PM

I think that is an inappropriate greeting.

harpo why do hate democrats

trolls are out early tonight. trying to prevent our laughs in michigan. saint mccain versus big love with freddy getting cpr from the cranky coservatives like a resusci annie...

Party bosses, smoke-filled rooms, the DNC, and the people of the party.

In fact one should always keep in mind that there is really no such thing as a National Democratic Party -- there are 50 plus state and territorial parties that have the franchise for their state, and in turn the DNC, Democratic National Committee is a representative body elected by the State Parties. People came to understand this in 2005 when Howard Dean was elected Chair of the DNC on the platform of strengthening the State Parties by investing in assets and skilled staff, something those who have problems with State Parties having influence have had a bit of difficulty with over the past couple of years.

More at the link.

Next Hurrah blog has covered the great work Howard Dean has done for the party.

Good evening Dems!

The Court just ruled a few minutes ago that Kucinich is OUT of the debate. It is supposed to start in about 45 minutes.

Just when you thought the race issue was done, the media brings it back (and I thought they wanted Obama to win).

Obama Decries Farrakhan Statements

Is it just me or is nbc picking the democratic nominee. Is there any way we can get them to quit lying and pouring gasoline on the fire. This is so unfair, how about a peaceful demonstrations, anybody with any ideas?

ok, here is a bit of cute humor.

Campaign Trail - Going to the Dogs

Howdy ya'll.

Is the Angel Moroni going to deliver the votes for Romney? I'm sure his dad's connections with the Republican machine in MI doesn't hurt either.

Notice how the MSM plays very specific Republican solutions to issues? "Lower taxes, stronger future, better schools" are just a few of the specific points that Republicans are repeating.

At the same time, the MSM does not mention any Democratic solutions to issues. All we hear is tabloid-style nonsense. "Someone faints at a Bill Clinton event, issues of race, protester tells Clinton to iron his shirts."

And talk about spin, a couple of days ago we learned that Huckabee wants to invest in green technology. When Republicans are able to take the environmental high ground, we have a problem.
When are democrats going to stand up and demand fairness in the MSM?

Posted by connfloyd on January 15, 2008 at 08:18 PM

No, it's not just you. It's really happening. They want to keep all the views similar...no good can come when the people know all sides of the issues. We might start demanding results...

i can't seem to get the redstate site. i love to keep up on their....ahhh...thinking. they are quite bunged up about the pelican primary contest and near as i can tell they really wish freddy would come through because he is the most like ronald reagan....bad actor, right wing fanatic and dumb as dirt but able to remember his lines....anyhow i guess i should send redstate some money cause we need to have them around for the elections for the laughs....

New Edwards TV Spots Challenge Media Frame Of Two-Person Race
Jan 15, 2008 9:48 AM

Campaign announces additional new television spots in South Carolina showing voters why John Edwards is the only one…

Columbia, South Carolina –
Today, the John Edwards for president campaign began airing four new 10-second television spots in the Palmetto State that highlight how Senator Edwards differs from the other Democratic candidates and why he is better prepared to fight for the big change America needs.

In each spot, images of Senators Obama and Clinton appear on the screen while the narrator poses a question.

*In "Deal" the narrator asks "Which Democrat opposed NAFTA and other trade deals that send American jobs overseas?"

*In "Dime" the question is "Which Democrat has never taken a dime of campaign money from Washington lobbyists?"

*In "Ban" the narrator asks "Who's the only Democrat who would ban Washington lobbyists from the White House staff?"

*and in "Beats" the question is "Who's the only Democrat that beats all the Republicans in the recent CNN poll?"

After the narrator asks the question, an image of John Edwards appears on the screen, accompanied by the words "John Edwards is the only one."

Born to a working class family in South Carolina and raised in small, rural mill towns, Edwards has spent his life taking on powerful interests on behalf of hard-working families like the ones he grew up with. He has never taken a dime from Washington lobbyists or PACs, and has pledged that he will ban Washington lobbyists from serving in his Administration. As president, he will only support smart and safe trade deals, opposing trade deals that put the profits of multinational corporations ahead of the needs of hard-working families.

The ads begin airing one day after Edwards concluded his four-day "Bringing It Home" bus tour across South Carolina. Edwards is the only candidate in the race who was born in South Carolina and he is the only Democratic candidate to ever win in a "red" state. Edwards leads the Democratic field in both campaign stops and money raised in the Palmetto State, and his campaign boasts an impressive statewide grassroots organization strengthened by deep support from Edwards' 2004 campaign. Edwards will return to South Carolina on Saturday as part of his "America Rising: Coast to Coast" tour.

Full transcripts and links to view and down load the new ads are included below.

"Deal" (10 seconds):
View: http://www.johnedwards.com/ads/deal
Download: http://www.johnedwards.com/watch/deal/press

Narrator: Which Democrat opposed NAFTA and other trade deals that send American jobs overseas? John Edwards is the only one.
John Edwards: I'm John Edwards and I approve this message.

"Dime" (10 seconds):

View: http://www.johnedwards.com/ads/dime
Download: http://www.johnedwards.com/watch/dime/press

Narrator: Which Democrat has never taken a dime of campaign money from Washington lobbyists? John Edwards is the only one.
John Edwards: I'm John Edwards and I approve this message.

"Ban" (10 seconds):
View: http://www.johnedwards.com/ads/ban
Download: http://www.johnedwards.com/watch/ban/press

Narrator: Who's the only Democrat who would ban Washington lobbyists from the White House staff? John Edwards is the only one.
John Edwards: I'm John Edwards and I approve this message.

"Beats" (10 seconds):

View: http://www.johnedwards.com/ads/beats

Download: http://www.johnedwards.com/watch/beats/press

Narrator: Who's the only Democrat that beats all the Republicans in the recent CNN poll? John Edwards is the only one.
John Edwards: I'm John Edwards and I approve this message.

i guess i should send redstate some money cause we need to have them around for the elections for the laughs....

Posted by gregg on January 15, 2008 at 08:30 PM

Somehow, I think they're getting all the money they need. After all, they're not paying taxes (they're in the 11% of people that think the economy is getting better).

we need to demonstrate, like we did in the 60's if we end up with a repuk for a president. this is pretty da2# close to fascism. corporate american running the da$# country.

15minutes!

A new CNN poll reveals why Edwards should be the Democratic nominee. Let get this ball rolling.
People should pass this story around:

January 15, 2008
Edwards up with four 'contrast ads' in South Carolina
Posted: 09:50 AM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards is airing four ads in South Carolina Tuesday that directly contrasts his candidacy with rivals Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

The four 10-second spots seek to differ Edwards from his rivals by touting the former North Carolina senator's opposition of NAFTA, his refusal to take money from Washington lobbyists, his pledge not to employ lobbyists in the White House, and a recent CNN Poll showing he is the only Democratic presidential candidate to beat all the Republicans in a general election match up.

The commercials follow Edwards' four-day bus tour of the southern state — an important primary contest for him following his distant third-place showing in New Hampshire last week. Edwards, who was born in South Carolina, won the state in 2004. But recent polls suggest he trails Clinton and Obama there by double digits.

The South Carolina Democratic Primary is scheduled for January 26.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/15/edwards-up-with-four-contrast-ads-in-south-carolina/

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on January 15, 2008 at 08:43 PM

What would electibility matter? Why would people want to vote for the best candidate? They want to say they voted for change by voting for a minority (because that's how you measure change).

DEMONSTRATE! BOYCOTT!

If a campaign was started to boycott the companies advertising on NBC and MSNBC, we would see change.

Candidate Votes %
Mitt Romney 17,818 36
John McCain 15,637 31
Mike Huckabee 8,318 17
Other 7,999 16

Precincts: 5%

The pug votes are starting to roll in...

Hello Dems.

I wanted to express some concerns about Hillary Clinton. It seems to me Hillary has taken several pages out of the Karl Rove Playbook.

When she states she has 35 years of experience making change and that Obama has too little experience to implement real change, I question the accuracy of her statement. I'm not sure what 35 years to which she is referring. If she was actually acting as president during Bill Clinton's presidency, then it would seem to me the Constitution would prohibit from running for the job again. If she would concede that Bill Clinton was the acting president who was ultimately making decisions from Jan/1993 through Jan/2001, then it would seem that she, like every other candidate, will require some "on-the-job-training." This will be the first time she would actually be calling the shots as president. In addition, I'm actually troubled by the political experience she actually does have. For example, because of her inability to build a coalition and hold it together, she was unable to overhaul our healthcare system in the 1990's and bring about that much needed change. Second, I got really angry when she accused Obama of fanning "false hope" with respect to the type of change he can bring about. I would much rather hope for real change as opposed the type of change Hillary has brought about during the last 7 years in which she has worked as an elected official.

Regardless of the experience the next president has, the job will involve responsibilities and require a unique skill-set. For example, the next president will be required to build a working coalition to govern and pass legislation. I don't believe Hillary Clinton will be able to do this. I don't even believe she will be able to build a coalition large enough to win the general election so as to be given a chance to do this.

I am tired of divisive and offensive political figures dominating the political landscape in this Country and I want significant change in both the tone of political discourse as well as the substance of actions taken by the government. To that end, I much prefer Obama to Clinton. I appreciate his fresh tone and fresh ideas. I also appreciate the fact he intends to attempt to take bold action and to implement bold change.

I'm frustrated at the manner in which democracy has functioned in the United States for the last twenty years. Lately it almost seems like the presidency has become a monarchy. We had George H. Bush from 1988-1992. We had Bill Clinton from 1993-2000. We'll be stuck with George W. Bush from 2001-2008. If Hillary Clinton makes it to the general election, the electorate will be faced with the proposition of Hillary Clinton in 2009. This bothers me because it seems our democracy is being dominated by political dynasties passing political power within individual families. It is difficult if not impossible for me to believe that the best individuals to lead the United States would all come from two politically active families. I want the next person leading the United States to be a president as opposed to a king or a queen. I believe many other voters are hoping for the same thing.

In writing this, I don't mean to suggest that I think Hillary Clinton would be a bad president or that Bill Clinton was not a good president. If Hillary could actually win the general election and the democrats were to gain a large number of seats in both the house and the senate, she could be very good. The problem is, the GOP will likely still have 40 senators. They will be able to filibuster and it's going to take a lot of style and finesse to actually get any significant bills through the senate. I don't see Hillary as having this capability. I realize she was able to pass a lot of mediocre bills during the past 7 years, but that's not what we need right now. We need someone who is going to be able to most effectively use the bully pulpit and we need someone who isn't going to ignite opposition immediately upon taking office.

Posted by Kev on January 15, 2008 at 08:57 PM

Well, I would say that you have the same concerns about Hillary that many people have. What candidate do you support?

YAY!!!!!

MSNBC just called it! THE MUTT WON MICHIGAN!!!

COME ON, MUTT!! SPEND TAGG'S INHERITANCE!

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 15, 2008 at 09:07 PM

8% reporting...seems good enough to call it.

Posted by margotb822 on Jan 15, 2008 at 08:50 PM

What would electibility matter?
Because the only thing that matters is WINNING. The stakes are too high.

Why would people want to vote for the best candidate?
Because people want a stronger America, and REAL change. This is why Edwards is the only candidate to win against ALL Republicans.

In the end, I don't think people will vote for a gender or race just to support a minority. People will vote for who is MOST ELECTABLE because this country is desperate for real "change."

Romney's plan to revive MI, if he was President, is to "sit down with business, and government."

WOW! What a brilliant idea! How come nobody thought of that before? We know the Detroit and Washington have NEVER EVER sat down together. Man, that Romney is really showing some innovative leadership. Sitting down with business... brilliant. :/

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on January 15, 2008 at 09:10 PM

I hope you're right. My personal feelings are more pessimistic, though. With the "help" of the mainstream media, people aren't hearing the candidates' positions on the issues. To most people, Clinton and Obama are the choices they're seeing. If anyone takes the time to look further, they'll see that Edwards is the real choice for change.

GO EDWARDS!

margotb822

I would support either Edwards or Obama. I remember how disgusted I felt when the GOP nominated George W. Bush in 2000 and I don't want to cause that same feeling in the opposition by nominating Hillary Clinton. I think right now Obama has the best shot at beating Hillary and I think he meets the criteria I outlined above, so I'm supporting him. I also think John Edwards meets the criteria. I think John Edwards is a wonderful guy with great credentials. My only concern with Edwards is that he may not reach out enough to moderate Republicans. If you listen at what he actually says about going after corporations that are exploiting/circumventing laws, as opposed to those playing by the rules, it makes a lot of sense. The problem is that some of his rhetoric could entrench the opposition. No matter which candidate becomes president, there are extraordinarily difficult challenges ahead. I think either Edwards or Obama has a chance of meeting those challenges. I think it would be much tougher for Hillary. In stating this, I don't want to imply that she isn't incredibly brilliant and capable. She is. Unlike the current president, Hillary Clinton is far more intelligent and capable than I am. I just don't believe she has all the skills necessary to implement the huge changes that are needed in terms of energy, healthcare and social security.

Perchance people will vote for the person THEY think best represents THEIR ideas, regardless of gender and race.

Knock it off with the Obama BASHING, Big Yellow Obama Hater.

Tell us about, and boost, Edwards without smearing Clinton and/or Obama for a change. Then be done with it.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The MSM and Corporate America (one in the same) want Romney. Look at the sound bites, photo angles, and fluff pieces the MSM gives Romney. In other words, Democrats need to be ready to face-off on "experience." The Republicans will have an upper hand because they have a candidate with Executive leadership experience. Democrats need a fighter to explain why unchecked corporate power corrupts. This needs to be a Main Street vs. Wall Street debate.

I think it is helpful to hear what is wrong with the various candidates as well as hearing the good points of others.

Posted by Kev on January 15, 2008 at 09:21 PM

Personally, I am an Edwards supporter. I believe that we are at a point where someone needs to take a stand against the conservative forces that have worked America over and drained us for their own interests. This country has come much further right in the past 20 years and even moderate Republicans are not truly moderate. We need a president that can resist the forces from continuing to move us right and begin to move us back to center (or even left of center). Edwards is the man who can do that. He will not back down under special interests pressures.

As far as Hillary, it's unfortunate that the opposition feel the way that they do about her. However, it is a consideration that will need to be made when it comes time to create the Democratic candidate. She does have certain experiences that set her apart from the field. But, is it enough to unite America and move the country forward? I do think that she would be better than any Republican, but I am not willing to risk people reacting emotionally at the polls.

(You may also enjoy my blog...I do!) The Public Servant

Which can be done without the baseless opinion smears.

For instance, Chimpy IS an alcoholic coke snorting child molesting rapist who arranged his victim's abortion 2 years before Roe v. Wade while he was AWOL from the TANG and just basically deserted the Military.

THAT is not OPINION. It's FACT.

See how easy it is. Just stick to FACTS and leave OPINION out of it.

For instance, Chimpy IS an alcoholic coke snorting child molesting rapist who arranged his victim's abortion 2 years before Roe v. Wade while he was AWOL from the TANG and just basically deserted the Military.

THAT is not OPINION. It's FACT.

See how easy it is. Just stick to FACTS and leave OPINION out of it.

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 15, 2008 at 09:37 PM

I think that is a terrible thing to say on the blog of the Democrat Party. It makes us look foolish.

But I suppose the world will little note nor long remember what we say here.

margotb822

I agree that we need a president who can prevent us from moving farther toward the political right. I like Edwards. I also like Obama. Whoever wins the nomination is going to have to be able to implement significant positive change. If the next president is able to implement such change, he or she will gain the support of the electorate and we will not move farther to the political right. I believe both Edwards and Obama are good on the stump and could effectively use the bully pulpit.

When it comes time to actually implement change, the next democratic president is going to have to address the nation and use his or her powers of persuasion to prevent Republican filibusters. It's not going to be an easy job. The next president, unfortunately, is going to have to work with Republicans to implement change. He or she will have to be firm, but conciliatory enough to gain enough Republican support to prevent them from blocking much needed legislation. I don't believe Hillary Clinton will be able to gain this support. I sincerely hope either Obama or Edwards will be able to do it. I think either Obama or Edwards would at least have a chance.

Good evening, all.

30 minutes into the debate and NBC hadn't asked one issue-based question. The candidates have had to work around these media cruds so they can talk about what they would do to solve problems and help the American people.

The MSM only wants the discussion to be about the candidates and their feuding campaigns. They are not doing their jobs. The American people deserve better than this from the free press.

Something really has to be done about the corporate media. Just like Teddy Roosevelt broke up the Trusts, these monopolies must go.

As one American establishment after another falls apart, I've been saying that that one outrage should be the top priority for the next Democratic administration and Congress. But it's becoming all too obvious is that allthese issues are our top priority...and they must all be attacked as a top priority.

We have our work cut out for us.

But I'm also certain that any one of the three people on that stage tonight is more than prepared to do it....and do it right.

Democrats are not incompetent. And we are aware of he right way to fix things...things that the Republicans still aren't willing to admit need fixed.

Posted by Kev on January 15, 2008 at 09:46 PM

I guess I'm just fed up with Republicans bullying America and Democrats being the ones to concede. I would like to see a reversal in that trend. To me, Edwards is the candidate that will not back down. I know that we will have to cooperate with people throughout the political spectrum, but I would like to see it on Democrats terms. Things have to be done for the benefit of a majority of Americans, not just the wealthy few.

Also, an article about the economy (since they're talking about this subject on the debate). But, will it be enough?

Fed Auctions $30B to Dull Credit Crisis

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on Jan 15, 2008 at 09:22 PM

I don't smear Clinton. In fact, I speak out against the unfair smears that Obama has made against Clinton. How can you sit back and listen to Obama say that he's "change?" What has he EVER changed?

Have you ever met IL State Senators, Republican or Democrat? I have, and it's machine politics. Believer me, what happens in Springfield does not stay in Springfield. Thanks to the MSM, you know almost nothing about Obama's past.

If you think I'm going to sit back and stay silent about what I know about Illinois politics, after all my EXPERIENCE there, you are sadly mistaken.

If I say anything unfair about Obama, let me know.
Otherwise, I suggest you defend his weak record and leave me out of it. If Obama can't take the heat, he needs to get out of the kitchen.

Obama has made 80 attacks on the Clinton's. What kind of integrity is this? He's been untruthful about his role in past legislation victories. And don't forget, he says that he can make change by making nice with Republicans. If that's not the biggest crock I've ever heard. Let me translate that for you, "I'll sell out Democratic values so I can be acceptable to Republicans."

If you want a candidate who can't out republican a republican, that's fine. If you want a candidate who sells out the environmental movement for nuke power, that's fine. If you want a candidate who wants to make nice with republicans, that's fine. If you want a candidate who openly supports a anti-gay bigot singer, that's fine. If you want a candidate with almost NO National experience, that's fine. But don't expect me to buy Obama's load of crap, and stay silent.

This is my Party too, and it's my duty to speak what I know to be the truth. You can have your opinion, but please don't try to take away my opinion, and silence what I know to be the truth.

But IT'S ALL TRUE! Whether or not YOU think "...that is a terrible thing to say..."

Maybe if the mouth breathers and FOX watchers (same sub species, BTW) didn't vote for "The guy y'all wanna have a beer with" we wouldn't be in this shitstorm?

Which begs the question, WHY would anyone want to have a beer with an alcoholic coke snorting dishonest sneaky liar with a short fuse and a penchant for stealing things and leaving a trail of dead bodies wherever he goes?

Don't exactly sound like a great party to me, I tell ya.

I think that is a terrible thing to say on the blog of the Democrat Party. It makes us look foolish.

Sorry, Joe Kennedy, but if this really was "OUR" Party, YOU would know how to spell DemocratIC.

Who is this US for whom you protest? The anti "ic" faction?

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 15, 2008 at 09:55 PM

I have certainly learned not to respond to any of your posts again.

You are nasty.

Congratulations to Flip Romney on his victory tonight. Three different winners in three primaries means that the Republicans will be tearing each other apart for a long time to come. Maybe if we are really lucky, they will have a good old fashioned convention floor fight this year. I think the public would be fascinated in watching the Wall Street conservatives slug it out with the radical evangelicals for control of the nomination.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, the next president is going to have to garner bipartisan support to implement the huge changes that are needed. This is one of my main concerns with Hillary Clinton.

I think the opposition has the same visceral reaction that some people on this blog have to George W. Bush. I think there are legitimate policy concerns that many of us have with regard to George W. Bush (Iraq, Energy, Social Security, Foreign Policy Healthcare, Lack of Fiscal Discipline, Corruption etc.). As is evidenced by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo's inappropriate comment about George W. Bush, some of people have a deeply visceral response to him that transcends reason. I fear some Republicans will have the same response to Hillary Clinton that some Democrats have toward George W. Bush and I don't think that would be good for the Country. The next president will have to be able to work with Republicans or, at the very least, be able to pass legislation without them blocking it.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,...

Just saw Huckabee's speech on CNN after coming in third place. He stated he was outspend 50:1 by Romney and still came in 3rd.

On the democratic side the Uncommited spend no money and got 99,750 votes to Huckabee's 78,118 with 50% of the precincts reported. That tells me that even the little money he did spend was in vain because the people in Michigan would choose a nobody over a Huckabee!

Uncommitted defeat Huckabee in Michigan!

So, Obama is getting thousands of dollars from media executives, but those count as individual donations? And then he gets the benefit of the MSM spinning information in his favor?

It might not be money from lobbyists, but it sure seems like a special interest to me...

I think the public would be fascinated in watching the Wall Street conservatives slug it out with the radical evangelicals for control of the nomination.

Posted by Mugwump on January 15, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Unfortunately the public is not at all interested in watching political conventions. That is why the Networks do not cover them gavel to gavel as they used to. They are very bad for ratings.

margotb822

I like Edwards. I think any of the democratic candidates would try to implement change on democratic terms. The next president will have to convince the country and republicans in congress to go along with it. It's going to be very difficult, but I believe either Edwards or Obama could potentially pull it off. I defintely believe Hillary would be a better president than George W. Bush, but I think she would have to overcome even greater opposition from the media and republicans before she could implement major change.

Posted by JosephK on January 15, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Well, if the Hollywood writers continue to strike, there could be a huge market for political convention floor fights.

our candidates are so amazing, this is the best yet. we are getting the meat of the issues, if nbc would get off race

Mugwump,

I would like to see Wall Street Win because they are predictable. Radical evangelical cannot be trusted or predicted and their modeus operendi is one of betrayal and lies!

I guess what I'm trying to say is, the next president is going to have to garner bipartisan support to implement the huge changes that are needed. This is one of my main concerns with Hillary Clinton....

The next president will have to be able to work with Republicans or, at the very least, be able to pass legislation without them blocking it.

Posted by Kev on January 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Democrats have the House and the Senate. The Senate is likely to be much more Democratic next term due to all the miserable Republicans who are up for re-election. So with a both Houses of Congress, and a Democrat in the White House, WHY WOULD WE NEED REPUBLICANS for anything?

Did the Republicans need Democrats when they controlled Congress and the White House and made major sweeping change? Nope. They just did it.

I really don't buy the Obama view that we need to make nice with Republicans. I think it's time for a strong Democrat in the WH who will push the Democratic platform, and make Congress follow his/her lead. In other words, it's OUR TURN TO LEAD this country. We need sweeping change, not moderate Republican-light compromise.

Besides losing ratings and revenue, the networks were saving us from exposure to the Pug hate fests masquerading as conventions.

Add to that the fact that Chimpy's smug mug on the tube would have resulted in people turning off the plug in drug and relearning how to read.

But OTOH, sales of new TV sets would zoom in September every 4 years if we were all forced to watch that coked up tongue stumbler massacre the English language on a nightly basis.

There would be thousands of screens with shoes smashed into them.

Hey, shoe sales would boom, too!

FOUR MORE YEARS FOR THE CHIMP!! WOO HOO!

Russert is playing hardball with Dems. He's playing the "got-cha" game, instead of moderating a debate.

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on January 15, 2008 at 10:16 PM

I am more for this view. Repubs have royally f'ed this country thanks to their selfish policies. It's going to have to be them compromising with the rest of the country.

They're always going to be a vocal group who use lies to garner the support of regular Americans. We are going to need to expose their lies in order to break their hold on America. We are going to need to break the cycle of fear in order to restore this country.

"Unfortunately the public is not at all interested in watching political conventions. That is why the Networks do not cover them gavel to gavel as they used to. They are very bad for ratings."

The reason why the public has not been interested in conventions in recent years is because they have become highly scripted tightly-controlled events. They turned into a campaign commercial that has been stretched for four days. If there is no real drama, people won't watch. But a convention floor fight-- that's real, unscripted, newsworthy drama, and I am sure that people would pay attention to it.

Obama wants to get the best experts together to solve Yucca Mountain (nuke waste storage). Hello? They've been trying for years to solve it, spent billions of dollars, and they can't.

Edwards is against more nuke plants. He explains that it's too expensive, the waste can not be stored, it's a terrorist target, and the technology is not there to make it safe.

Tim Russert should disclose that his boss, NBC and General Electric, are MAJOR NUKE Contractors.

Posted by Mugwump on January 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM

That's the ticket. Then the networks will absolutely LOVE the ratings boost that will come from televising Chimpy's War Crimes trial live from the World Court!

It'll be bigger than the Oscars and the Super Bowl combined!

MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!

That's all the networks care about, and when Chimpy has to give up his shot glass coke spoon and bong in order to answer for his stupidity thay can add a laugh track.

Comic GOLD, BAY-BEE!

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on January 15, 2008 at 10:28 PM

We already know Edwards is the best candidate. Looks like NBC is going to have to try to bury Edwards and push him out of the race. Oh wait, they are already doing that...

Let me see, Blackwater gets $15 billion contract to protect money we don't even know where it's going?!?! Hum?

I don't mean to disparage immigrants, but can we please work on teaching American students English before we spend money teaching immigrants English? All of the children have been left behind and there is a lot of work to be done in order to restore our public school system.

Haha...the Republicans can't do anything right.

Mich. GOP congratulates wrong candidate

LANSING, Mich. - The Michigan Republican Party mistakenly sent out a news release Tuesday night congratulating John McCain for winning the state's GOP primary.

It quickly issued a second statement praising Mitt Romney for his win.

"Heading into tonight, this race was too close to call, so we prepared a release for either scenario," state GOP spokesman Bill Nowling said. "We simply pushed the wrong button."

The Associated Press named Romney the GOP winner when polls closed in Michigan's western Upper Peninsula at 9 p.m. EST.

The first GOP release went out just minutes later and stated, "In a close-fought victory, Senator John McCain succeeded again (in) the Michigan Republican primary, winning over a traditionally unpredictable voter base in Michigan."

Five minutes after that, the party sent a release that said, "In a close-fought victory, native son Governor Mitt Romney won an important contest here tonight."

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_po/primary_wrong_release

What's the deal with South Carolina?

In the weeks leading up to the Iowa votes, candidates were trying to be on their best behavior because people in Iowa would not tolerate blatant negative campaigning. A candidate making a blatant negative attack would suffer in the polls because Iowans were turned off by that behavior.

Now the campaign is moving to South Carolina. For some reason, political primaries in the Palmetto State are typically vicious fights full of negative ads, whisper campaigns, and dirty tricks.

What's the deal with South Carolina? How come they favor this kind of gutter politics that is considered taboo in other parts of the country?

SandyH,

Now, that's interesting. The Michigan Republican Party is not immune from the Bradley effect, ...but ...ahhh?...where is the black guy?

I know it's in poor taste but sometimes it's just funny!

Posted by Mugwump on January 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Lots of Fundies.

Lots of racists.

Posted by margotb822 on Jan 15, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Yep. The Republicans took the political pendulum so far to the right, I don't think compromising is the way restore the Constitution, America's status as a world leader, and domestic priorities.

We've spent the last 15 years comparing and contrasting Republican and Democratic Administrations. The facts are in. America does not agree with Republicans. In fact, America hates the direction that Republicans have taken us.

So why would we need to compromise for a middle ground? That would be foolish, and anger many people for not showing leadership when given the chance to lead. This is another reason Obama makes me so mad, and why I fully support Edwards.

Posted by Mugwump on January 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Mugwump,

If the writers strike is still going on, it might have to be unscripted this time?

And the networks will be desperate to fill in the time usually filled with soap operas. Who knows? Viewers might get hooked on political drama and get involved in the future.

Posted by Mugwump on January 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Mugwump,

If the writers strike is still going on, it might have to be unscripted this time?

And the networks will be desperate to fill in the time usually filled with soap operas. Who knows? Viewers might get hooked on political drama and get involved in the future.

Political drama with reality TV.

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on January 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

I have no intention of compromising with these people, and I hope our next president feels the same way: Megachurch leader surrenders on charge

Hypocrites, all of them!

BTW, when was the last time that Edwards got to speak? I guess NBC is already punishing him...

Posted by HybridFuel on January 15, 2008 at 10:55 PM

I'm telling you, now that the writers are out, politics are in!

From Josh @ TPM

We're on a commercial break from the debate. And I wanted to do a Rudy update. At the moment, Ron Paul has twice Rudy's number, with more than 3/4 of the vote counted, though Rudy is edging out uncommitted.

HAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAA!!

Posted by HybridFuel on January 15, 2008 at 10:55 PM

There you go, Hybrid.

You could be a network exec.

Posted by margotb822 on Jan 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Yeah, I suppose it wouldn't be too Presidential for Edwards to say, "look here, you big jerk, if you want another "greatest generation" you need to stop your corporate bias and phony politics of division."
Now me... I can say it. :-)

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on January 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Not that I would ever want a Democratic candidate to act like Bush, but he is constantly saying things that are far from presidential. For a long time, the American people didn't even seem to notice :o(

Good Evening,

Here is one from the Crooks and Liars website:

January 15, 2008

(I)n Warren, Michigan on Monday, Huckabee declared his personal crusade to amend the Constitution by copying and pasting from the Bible:

“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And thats what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than trying to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”

In case there was any remaining doubt, that astounding statement eviscerated Huckabee’s pretense of upholding the separation of church and state. In December, Governor Huckabee offered this charade on Meet the Press, words which obviously are no longer operative:

“The key issue of real faith is that it never can be forced on someone. And never would I want to use the government institutions to impose mine or anybody else’s faith or to restrict.”

As it turns out, using the institutions of government to impose his faith is exactly what Mike Huckabee has in mind. Quick to denounce sharia law and “Islamofascism,” Huckabee is seems quite eager to embrace a Christian version of God’s law here at home.

dpd, ghouliani with 3%...made my night...hahahahaha

watched some of the democratic debate. everyone seemed bright, civil and on point.

Gregg,

That is funny. Truely!

Q: How is the economy?
Rudy: Well before 911 and after 911!

Q: How is the war in Iraq?
Rudy: During 911!

Q: What should USA do about North Korea?
Rudy: My experience with 911!

Q: Rudy, your wife is on the phone!
Rudy: Honey I am in the middle of 911's!

Did anyone hear Obama's stutter? I just ignored it. But I wouldn't put it past Republicans to replay it on youtube. If it was replayed and repeated, it would seem very racist. But when has that ever stopped a Republican? I'll just be nice and say that it was not Presidential. It was really bad, and I don't think the MSM will touch it. Republicans will be all over it... just you watch.

gregg,

...everyone seemed bright, civil and on point...

Everyone except Pumpkinhead.

OH GOD, Tweety is yelling "Hillary" again. Somebody PLEASE shove a sock in his big mouth!

Posted by HybridFuel on January 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

So, I guess that he also wants to get rid of the 1st amendment, too, with the whole bothersome "separation of church and state" business. He doesn't respect the Constitution or American freedoms. I can't believe that any real Americans would support ideas like his.

Yes, i held my nose and watched the debate on nbc, but i have to say if they continue with race thing, lying, i will not watch nbc anymore. i was very proud of all our candidates. they are miles ahead of the pukes its not even funny. thankgoodness, i hope everyone will unite in the party and fight the pukes and not each other. they all have differences, lets look at these without all the nasties.

David Letterman does the "Great Moments in Presidential History," and it's a hoot. I think people will be looking for Presidential this time. Cooter on the Dukes of Hazard is out of style.

Well all, I'm going to take a break and watch the Idol tryouts...I need some laughs. I'll check back later.

Good Night Dems!!

Can't wait to get in a dig, can you. He's ALWAYS had that hesitating speech pattern. (You Tube him). It's what he does because his mind works faster than his mouth and he stops in mid sentence without using filler phrases like Adlai Stevenson's "And I say to you" or John McCain's "My friends", or Chimpy's 'Hey barkeep, gimme a nutter bottle of booze or I'll have somebody break your arm".

Being a Constitutional Expert, he realizes that words have meaning and he chooses them carefully.

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

DPD,

Rudy who? Who you mean that guy vacationing in Florida for the last month?

What's with Tweety's grand obsession with Senator Clinton? He started it up again tonight. He fixates on her so strongly that he can't see anyone else on the stage.

He reminds me of a stalker. I think he's going stark raving mad. Ever since the Republicans started their slow and scary swan dive into oblivion, he's been hanging on to her like his life depends on it.

It gives me the creeps.

SandyH and Margotb822,

Yup!

I just saw the Taiwan Senate meeting. It was a repeat of the Korean congress, where one congressman tried to do a "kungfu" kick on his opponent but (he didn't eat his Special K) and his flying kick was a little short of the podium. He got good air time and the split from missing the podium was good too. He may need some stitches to repair his nut sack …and that’s how the Asian congress operate democratically!!

In India and Pakistan members of congress routinely slam a chair onto the opponent back or head, just like on World Wide Wrestling Association!

I wish we had exciting congress like that. People may start watch c-span!

I know, it's a dead give away that I upgraded my setbox and now have HDTV with 60+ more channels. The foreign congresses are funny.

Posted by margotb822 on Jan 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM

That's Bush's base, the "Rapture" crowd. They actually want WWIII so they can have the Second Coming of Christ, conversion of Jews to Christianity, then the Rapture where the "true believers," (the faith crowd) are lifted up to Heaven, and the non-believers are left on Earth to suffer. "It's all in the bible." They are absolutely F***** NUTS!

Sandy, Tweety IS NUTS

He needs a LOOOOOONG vacation until at least 2013.

yeah dpd i just meant our candidates.

Let them be "Lifted Up". Free clothes and Beemers! Whoo Hoo!.

The wallets should be veritable gold mines.

Margotb822,

I find Huckabee to be more dangerous to our freedom than someone who is honorable but have a very strong position like McCain. I learned, you can trust McCain. You cannot trust Huckabee and his hidden agenda! Similarly, I cannot trust Romney! The Mormons have wronged my family in the pass and I will never forgive the hurt it caused my father.

Margotb822,

Regarding Huckabee, that speech is on the video at CrooksandLiars.com

Well, all our people conducted themselves with a great deal of class tonight in the debate.

Meanwhile, the GOP crowd (and Lieberman) were proving themselves hopeless in Michigan these last few days. I can't believe they were all promising to create jobs in Michigan when they are the ones responsible for making sure their old ones were sent overseas.

We certainly are in great shape compared to the Republicans. May the best person win (which could be any of them).

And why isn't Romney talking to the media tonight? Is he in shock that he actually won? Perhaps he might benefit from a few weeks lying on the beach in Florida like Rudy?

Don't go to South Carolina, Flipper. We don't want you to look like a loser...yet. Ha ha.

Good night, all.

Frostey,

...and you found it but now your finger stinks!

Well, all our people conducted themselves with a great deal of class tonight in the debate.

Meanwhile, the GOP crowd (and Lieberman) were proving themselves hopeless in Michigan these last few days. I can't believe they were all promising to create jobs in Michigan when they are the ones responsible for making sure their old ones were sent overseas.

We certainly are in great shape compared to the Republicans. May the best person win (which could be any of them).

And why isn't Romney talking to the media tonight? Is he in shock that he actually won? Perhaps he might benefit from a few weeks lying on the beach in Florida like Rudy?

Don't go to South Carolina, Flipper. We don't want you to look like a loser...yet. Ha ha.

Good night, all.

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo on Jan 15, 2008 at 11:22 PM

What, do you want me to ignore that very damaging "fact?" Obama should listen to what he said, realize that it was not Presidential, drop out for the good of the Party AND America, and get more polished in the Senate. He's come a long way, but he's got a long way to go, IMO.

I doubt he can win after saying that. It wasn't just the Lester Hayes syndrome. I think it has more to do with being an ex-smoker. The brain is used to stimuli, and when the stimuli is gone, in this case nicotine, the brain does not fire on all cylinders. I'm not making fun of it. I do it too. But you don't see me trying to take control of the Democratic ship in rough waters either.

Check this out from my alma mater. Who says California is full of nuts? Unfortunaly the cheap bastard repukes would rather spend our money on blackwell. Get these bastards out of office now.

The big idea: Ethanol radically altered our notion of fuel. No longer did we need to dig for oil. But ethanol requires enormous energy to produce and is usually made from corn, which is grown on arable land. That puts it in competition with land for food production.

Berkeley energy expert Alex Farrell suggests creating future biofuels out of feedstock from degraded lands or—even more radical—out of substances that require no land whatsoever, like waste or algae. "There are many, many different pathways to these preferable biofuels," he says. Some methods may even suck CO2 from the atmosphere.

To help find these pathways, researchers led by Jay Keasling at the Joint BioEnergy Institute in Emeryville—a collaboration of Berkeley, UC Davis, Stanford, LBNL, Lawrence Livermore, and Sandia National Lab—are trying to convert lignocellulose, the main component of plant cell walls, into biofuels.

Farrell, whose recent predictions policymakers have been eagerly following, mentions free-floating microalgae that grow rapidly when given sufficient sunlight and nutrients. "You would grow them in the desert, near a source of carbon dioxide, like a coal-fired power plant, for instance, and much of CO2 would be absorbed by the algae. Their body mass would be used for electricity production, or if they were genetically engineered or otherwise modified, they might actually produce hydrocarbons or other materials ... suitable as liquid fuels, maybe even hydrogen," he says.

The advanced technologies needed to create new biofuels will require high initial capital costs. "Over the long term, we may be able to see a lower and more stable structure for biofuel production," Farrell says.See

No.22 Dirt-cheap energy, A better biofuel

Posted by Frostey on January 15, 2008 at 11:38 PM

But then they saw The Light...Ronald Reagan. They've been blinded ever since...and batty, too.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!

Just saw McCains speech for Romney. In it he almost stated,

"Today, Mexica%^&* ...Michigan voter spoke ..."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!

What irony, to equate Michigan voters to Mexicans!

I think the pundits and the media are sad to see the candidates acting civil toward each other. I think it was a smart move. That's a point that Barack Obama has tried to convey during this whole campaign. He believes that you can disagree with someone without being ugly about it. I'm so glad that Hillary Clinton seemed to come to that same conclusion in the last day or so.
Tonight that agreement showed to the American people how "Presidential " all of the candidates could be when they want to.

My family has been ripped off by Mormons too. I don't trust them either. Just look how secretive they are. They are just like Cheney.

Matthews has freaked out. He's got issues with women too... just like our trolls.

Ask the candidates about the climate crisis

The top reporters on all the major TV networks asked the presidential candidates 2,679 questions in the last year. Only 3 of them were about global warming.

The media help decide what's an "issue" in the 2008 election. Unless climate change is on the 2008 election agenda, it won't be on the next president's agenda. And the U.N.'s top climate expert warned: "If there's no action before 2012, that's too late. What we do in the next two or three years will determine our future."
A compiled petition with your individual comment will be presented to the top reporters on the major TV networks when you click on the link below to take action:

http://pol.moveon.org/climatequestions

Why the Hell is that big eyed Lemur look a like "news" Bimbette (O.K., KO just called her Nora O'Donnell) taling about the Muttster "growing up in MI and knows the issues"?

HUH?? He's from Grosse Pointe!. His neighbors were the heirs of the Ford, Mennen, Dodge, and Pensky fortunes, among others.

He was chauffeured to school at Cranbrook,

THAT is some nice Real Estate to grow up in, NOT "knowing the State of Michigan" because he "grew up there".

Where did they find this Bimbo, Entertainment Tonight?

Without a doubt Senator Hillary Clinton proved on the debate tonight that she is ready to be the next President of the United States. Hillary is looking at the big picture, our energy crisis problem the economy, ending the war in Iraq, standing up the Republicans and not allowing them to do whatever they please, working on getting us off from depending on oil. Hillary is ready to take on these problems and no more will the middle class and the poor be invisible like they have been under the Bush administration. I believe the Bush administration will go down in the history books as the worst this country has ever had. God please save us from these Republicans and give us Hillary to bring us real change! These far right Republicans have ruined us! Impeach Bush/Cheney!!!

Posted by LaSt on January 15, 2008 at 11:47 PM

Did you listen to the most senior black Congressmen come out today and blast Obama for making a stink about Clinton's comment? Maybe you haven't seen the news today? Several African-American LEADERS who actually KNEW MLK put Obama back in line, and chastised him for attacking Clinton.

I do agree with you that it is good to see the candidates act more Presidential. But don't say that it was Clinton who lowered the discourse. Look at the transcripts I posted if you don't believe me.

looking at the big picture, our energy crisis problem the economy, ending the war in Iraq, standing up the Republicans and not allowing them to do whatever they please, working on getting us off from depending on oil. Hillary is ready to take on these problems and no more will the middle class and the poor be invisible like they have been under the Bush administration.

Posted by DemocratKickingAss on January 15, 2008 at 11:58 PM

And the difference from Edwards? Didn't you think that Edwards was more progressive, above the frey, and straight-forward?

Posted by DemocratKickingAss on January 15, 2008 at 11:52 PM

What planet does President Anus live on? He continues to defy the common good by asking OPEC to increase production of crude oil.

I heard on the news today that inflation was 6.1% last year the highest in 26 years. That puts it in rayguns dynasty. The repukes have been screwing us all these years and it is getting worse. And they give us a 2.1% raise on Social Security. Cheap bastards. They obviously don't give a flying f**k about the American people.

No, Big Yellow Obama hater, you are trying to steer Obama's ship into the rocks like some evil lighthouse keeper. You hate him. We get that.

You have ALWAYS hated him since his announcement at the Old State Capitol. We know that (although you were using a different user ID back then).

Quit beating that dead horse. You hate him, DON'T vote for him an 2-5.

Simple as that.

Case closed.

Posted by HybridFuel on January 15, 2008 at 11:40 PM

I don't think I could watch something like that. It would probably give me nightmares.

I heard today that mccannister is going to pick liverlips as his running mate. I hope the two are happy together. How disgusting. Mayby they can hum a few bars of "bomb Iran" now and then.

I doubt he can win after saying that.

Saying WHAT!!!???

Once again (as evidenced by YOUR use of "I doubt") you are showing that you are posting OPINION.

Go after him on the issues and refute them and say how a different candidate has a better plan.

You USED to complain that Obama smoked (which would probably earn him votes in TN, KY, NC, SC, and WV, BTW) and now you are complaining that he doesn't smoke.

You used to rail at him for running against the LAZY "take it for granted winner" Bobby Rush, until Rush endorsed him. (BTW, Rush saw the light and has FINALLY started DOING HIS JOB).

What is your problem?

If you don't like him, don't vote for him.

It's as simple as that.

Found this great new website (similar to The Onion).

Some of the news, most of the time: 23/6

Margotb822,

It’s always interesting to see other countries and peoples interpretations of democracy. The reality part of their actions is like watching something we should not do but …sometime would like to…then again we are more civil.

We all own guns!

Posted by HybridFuel on January 16, 2008 at 12:31 AM

I think the Repubs should have a shoot it out. Since they are such fans of guns and war. Then they could broadcast it on all their corporate media outlets. Hmmmm, I see a plan developing...

Reviews Are In: Edwards Hits The Jackpot

GO EDWARDS!!

Oh, the lonely troll who was kicked to the curb by his wife is back looking for some human contact, even if it's from people telling to GET MENTAL HELP!

I guess to his shriveled mind negative feedback is better than no feedback. What's the matter, did the Fireplug boot you out of the "Lonely Guy" stool AGAIN?

Hey, Stevie, why don't you send more e-mail threats to people on e-Bay? Oh, that's right....

Margotb822,

Not republican in a shootout, those dead-eye jack would have too many bystanders shot-up. Remember Cheney picked off a republican contributor instead of a bird. I can tell the difference but those drunken monkeys still support the war in Iraq and Bush policy.

All the polls around America show no one support the Bush agenda except for Bush supporter.

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 9-12, 2008. N=1,130 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS.

"Thinking ahead to November 2008, which of these two statements comes closest to your own views? After eight years of George W. Bush, we need to elect a president who can set the nation in a new direction. OR, We need to keep the country moving in the direction Bush has been taking us."

January 9-12 2008

New Direction 79%
Bush Direction 17%
In between 3%
Unsure 1%

http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm

Those republicans are so illiterate, ignorant, stubborn and stupid, for them to own a gun ...I just hope they don't shoot themselves first when testing the gun!

It's a Neocon job.

Obama/Hillary/Edwards (O/H/E) are the same as the republicans. Big corporate interests are in control. If (O/H/E) are so great and think bush/cheney are so bad why didn't (O/H/E) co-sponsor the bill to IMPEACH CHENEY! Think about it. They won't because they are in on neocon job of the American people. Status Quo.

Pelosi and Reid were supposed to change things. What did we get? More of the same. Status Quo.

This is supposed to be a Democracy. What a friggin joke! The primaries should be one person one vote on paper ballots on the same Saturday all over the country. This caucus crap is bullshit! Ask the Michigan and Florida voters who wanted to have a say in who the next president will be.

There needs to be MAJOR FRIGGIN ELECTION REFORM with no computerized voting machines.

...I just hope they don't shoot themselves first when testing the gun!

Posted by HybridFuel on January 16, 2008 at 12:53 AM

I can't say that I would complain a whole lot if an "accident" took place.

Good Night and Good Luck, Dems!

Wake up America,

I know your candidates Kucinich and Ron Paul aren't doing so well. You need to keep your chin up and work a little harder.

No, fool, YOU come HERE for negative feedback.

YOU send the threats TO people on e-Bay. The only feedback you get from them is the basic Cease and Desist form letter from their moderators. What is it that they call you, again?.....Hmmmm

Oh I remember "This person is mentally unstable" and they use terms like "AVOID" "Mentally Unbalanced"...

Whatever, YOU know. YOU got the messages.

You're nuts. Get help.

God DENSA is going to pull your imaginary membership card if you keep this stupidity up.

Ron Paul DOUBLED Rudy's votes in MI.

Wake up America,

Money, Being Rich, Management and Business are not all bad.

Where would you get your sustenance without them?

They are just like all of us. This president and the republicans did not set good examples. All one has to do is set guidelines that they (Business, Rich, Managers, etc..) understand and need to obey. Then make certain you take a big bat with you to make certain they understand there are consequences if the rules are broken.

I do not think the solution is to throw the baby out with the bath water!

I do not think the ultra-libertarian view is correct. Anarchy is not something I support. The libertarian position of less government is a good one and they should leave government to allow someone who what to make America a better place to represent them.

I do not believe electing someone who dislike the government into government. That’s asking us to elect some moron to fuckup the government they dislike. It don’t work for me.

You don’t like government, then please leave the internet. The internet was created by the US government. Please get off my roads, we build these roads with our taxes and if you do not want to pay taxes get off my roads. Stop using our resources when you do not wish to pay for it. …and I no longer accept IOU’s from dead beats.

Get Real!

I think it was a very poor and dumb choice of the DNC to punish the state of Michigan just because they moved up their primary. The DNC is taking Michigan for granted and what makes me a little afraid is that the voters in that state might get pissed off enough to vote Republican in November.
I hope that doesn't happen. I think the DNC should've put more thought into this after all Michigan is suffering hard because of the greed of big business sending American jobs out of the country for the sole purpose of cheap overseas labor. In fact, this is a problem that must stop for the entire country. It's too much and out of control. Nothing is made in America anymore! Who is going to have the guts to stand up and say no more to big business? Actions speak louder than words. No more tax cuts to these companies sending American jobs out of the country, if they continue to still ship jobs overseas then the government should tell them they can't sell their products in the United States anymore. Enough of this bowing down to the cooperate whores of big business who no longer care about America and the citizens of our great nation.

Voices
"In this troubled economy, how can so many millions of people simply not be heard? If I'm your president, I will bring your voice to the White House." Watch the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_20bQGmw4RI

Hillary ha sido un agente de cambio para la comunidad latina luchando por el cuidado de salud, nuevos empleos, y por ponerle un fin a la demagogia anti-hispana en el país. Con ella tendremos un vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMl7tSiuDiI&feature=user

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo on Jan 16, 2008 at 12:25 AM

If you listened to the debate, you know what he said, and how it could be repeated to make him look very un-Presidential. You're not going to get me to repeat so you can say I'm racist.

And don't try to twist my words. I didn't say that it's a bad thing he smoked. I said that he likely stutters due to nicotine withdraw. And I said I understand the condition. So cool it!

Why are you attacking ME for telling the truth?
I've listed very specific reasons why Obama is not a good candidate. If you can't defend Obama, with out making personal attacks, maybe you should just not comment? I am here to see Democrats get the strongest candidate, and talk about the issues facing Democrats. I am free to say:
I don't like Obama's policies.
I don't like Obama's integrity.
I don't like Obama's weak experience record.
I don't like Obama's fondless for Republicans.
I don't like Obama's Republican talking points.
I don't like Obama's energy policy.
I don't like Obama's history with "faith" groups.
I don't like Obama's lacking contribution to the Democratic Party and the progressive movement.
I don't like Obama's weak character shown in voting present in the Democratic State Senate.

I don't know where you get that I haven't liked Obama since his State House speech. In fact, I wondered if he was a fake months before that when he said "I will see if a candidacy can help bring America together." He knew THEN that he was going to run. How many times can he LIE and still have your support? He lost me a long time ago.

I would have to be crazy to think that Democrats should run a 3 year Senator against against a seasoned Republican with years of EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE. This is about the Supreme Court, and I don't want to take a chance with a rookie, no matter how much HOPE he has.

Rove said he wanted to run against Hillary. That was a lie. He wants to run against Obama because he's a total rookie. The most important job in the Country always comes down to experience and leadership. Now stop acting like a troll and attacking others for having a different view, kindly. Thank you.

hey fred thompson beat ghouliani 3.7% to 2.8%!!! fred is making his more finally but they were both behind "my friendly alien" ron paul...hahahhahahaha

what papers are those the rolling papers? they were on the ballot, folks could vote for them...if they are too broke or lame to campaign that doesn't change the fact that they were candidates and that they were rejected...actually by your argument neither of them is running anywhere and both should be toast in no time....but not to worry sally either delay or macaca or sanatorium will come to save you as you have predicted...hahahahahaha...asshole!

right and those candidates who don't get votes are called LOSERS sally, like you...hahahaha...by the way you dumb shit are you referring to mississippi governor haley barbour or is there some guy working the night shift at the chuckles factory with you who is named governor barber that you plan on entering in the contest? because if it's governor barbour you are referring to i hope you get your wish....that corrupt pig will go down like a bag of dirt in the general election....

well i have had my little snack and need to get some more sleep...sally if the chuckles line has come to a halt while the morning shift punches in could you please disprove evolution for us again in your spare time? hahahahahahaha, nite, nite my stupid little troll.

My o My! ....NASTY LITTLE TROLLS, aren't they?

It's raining and cold here in S. E. Texas this morning....brrrrr

I take note that some governmental agency is calling for a 40 cent per gallon increase in the gasoline tax to pay the cost of rebuilding our roads and bridges here in the United States. Could it be that if we were not blowing millions of dollars rebuilding roads and bridges in Iraq that we might have money for programs for the American people?

DopeyD is my friend. He is a good communist!
Posted by Little*Hugo on January 16, 2008 at 02:52 AM
Oh Little*Hugo, I didn't know that DopeyD had a friend.
DopeyD is in a hotdog race against time. Will he eat the last hotdog in the last major league park or will he die first. Who Knows.
tic tic tic tic tic tic tic Kaboom!
Posted by Frostey on January 16, 2008 at 03:12 AM

Moderator,
so what do you think is worse, sick people attacking your bloggers, or your blog being a place sick hate speech?

That was more than a veiled threat. It's time YOU do some MODERATING, and address these psychotic paranoid hate mongers. There you have all the evidence you need to have Frosty reported to authorities. Please see to it that our bloggers are not subject to hate speech.
Thank you very much.

I am rapidly becoming an extreme isolationist. I believe that we should bring all the troops, and I do mean ALL the troops home NOW, stop all "foreign" aid to every body NOW, bring ALL of our equipment home NOW, rebuild our military to the point where no one would want to challenge us NOW, secure our own borders NOW (this does not include some political, hair brained promise to deport 12 million people), balance out budget after we have properly provided for the health and educational needs of our people and last, let the U. N. take care of the rest of the world.....American taxpayer dollars for Americans!

Good Morning Big Yellow Dog.....

It really upsets me to see any U.S. president going with his hat in his hand, like a street beggar, asking Saudi Arabia to please lower the price of gasoline. It was just a few years ago that we saved these thieving bastards from Saddam. Now, the're sticking it up our ass!. If Bush had any brains and he wants to bomb somebody, it should not be Iran.

Morning JohnBoy and Big,

It's 18 here in central NM and dry as a popcorn fart as a co-worker from Texas used to say.

I have felt the same way. We should close all 700 overseas bases, bring all our troops home, bring our navy home, and eliminate the CIA.

How's that for a platform.

JohnE....I want to keep some form of intell going on and black ops covet teams to cost effectively take care of necessary business.

Everybody is acting like it's a big deal that Romney won MI. Not a word about how Romney spent several times more than all the other candidates combined. They need to do the figures on how much per vote Romney paid. This "victory" was nothing to brag about. Not only did he have the old Republican machine, and also grossly out-spent all his opponents. He literally bought the state.

I think the Dem nominee debaters should've taken a time-out and made some jokes about the MI Republican "TURN THE PAGE BACK" debate:. "One wants to go back to the Detroit'60s, one wants to go back the Crusades, another wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. And it seems they ALL WANT TO GO BACK TO 1984... except Ron Paul. And Republicans attack him almost as much as they attack Democrats. HAHA.

Have a good day, Dems. bbl.
GO EDWARDS!

JohnBoy,

We had a $3 million street flood repair project to repair damage from our 2006 floods. The Corps of Engineers was going to do the work but I understand from the city that the money has been pulled because of "needs" in blackwater's wallet and the Iraq war.

We should certainly not be raising gasoline taxes.

It is pathetic that the chimpenfuhrer has gone to the Middle East begging SA to increase oil production. Screw them. We shouldn't be begging to anyone. We must start producing alternate fuels with an Apollo program.

Good morning, Goodfoe and dudes,

(Read it as Republican "Turn the page back" CONTEST, not debate.)

Everybody is acting like it's a big deal that Romney won MI. Not a word about how Romney spent several times more than all the other candidates combined. They need to do the figures on how much per vote Romney paid. This "victory" was nothing to brag about. Not only did he have the old Republican machine, and also grossly out-spent all his opponents. He literally bought the state.

I think the Dem nominee debaters should've taken a time-out and made some jokes about the MI Republican "TURN THE PAGE BACK" CONTEST:. "One wants to go back to the Detroit'60s, one wants to go back the Crusades, another wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. And it seems they ALL WANT TO GO BACK TO 1984... except Ron Paul. And Republicans attack him almost as much as they attack Democrats. HAHA.

Have a good day, Dems. bbl.
GO EDWARDS!

Does romney want to rewrite the Constitution like huckster? The huckster wants to rewrite the Constitution to bring it in line with the Bible.
What a load of liquid crap.

This guy is the worst thing that has happened to America since Pearl Harbor. This creep is our enemy not the gays or the athiests.

How about rewriting it to eliminate pervert bishops in Georgia and pedophile Congressmen and criminal CEO's.

We need an IQ test for presidents. We are certainly scraping the bottom of the barrel with bush and cheney. I imagine thompson would place in there right along with bush.

I think NBC should start a new show called "American Idiot". We could use the show to pick a president.

The judges could be fred thompson, jebb bush and KKKarl rove.

Off to work.

Morning {{{Dems}}}

No surprise Romney's money bought him MI , is it?

He will be such an easy one to beat in November, but then he will not make it that far because the RNC heads will not let him. They don't want no cultish Mormom making decisions!

A couple of good posts by our Stevie above, which went into his file for re-producing for his daughter's package of "This is Your Dad". wow, won't she go vomit !

Watched most of the debate last night. Glad to see Hillary and Barack have come to an agreement to heal up the wounds and knock off the attacks.
Neither did their campaigns any good the last couple of weeks. I wish the bloggers who are blasting our candidates would discontinue it also. You are not helping the Big Picture, ie. The Democatic Party by trying to take down one of it's candidates.

Morning, Dems! I'm running behind this morning, but wanted to say what a wonderful debate last night! All three candidates were spectacular.

I think that was because the candidates controlled the debate right from the start. They did't let the moderators get them off message with those first few inane questions.

Good article on the Youthful candidates coming out to run for office now. Read it over, and if any of them are in your state, please jump on their band wagon and help them win! Our own Chris Murphy won in this state last year, against Slimy Repug Nancy Johnson, and I cannot tell you how Sweet that Victory was ! Pick somebody local and help them win !

"More than a dozen 20- and 30-somethings have a real shot at being elected to Congress this November, suggesting that the apparent surge of youthful participation in national politics is not confined to the presidential contest.

Among the Democrats, 34-year-old state Sen. Andrew Rice is running against Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.); 29-year-old real estate banker executive Mike Leibowitz is reportedly set to be the first Democrat to enter the race against perennial target Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.); state Sen. John Boccieri, 38, is running for retiring Rep. Ralph Regula's (R-Ohio) seat; and Albuquerque City Councilman Martin Heinrich, 36, will look to take Rep. Heather Wilson's (R-N.M.) seat as she runs for Senate.

In New Mexico, McCamley faces an uphill primary battle against a well-funded oil man for the seat of Senate candidate Rep. Steve Pearce (R). The Dona Ana County commissioner said young candidacies like his are a symptom of the appetite for change in the country right now.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011508T.shtml

This is good news. I am personally trying to get my own 2 daughters more actively involved in the Democratic process. If they want a better future for their children, they HAVE to.

Single Women Flex Democratic Muscle
By Jeff Fleischer
Women's eNews

Single women turned out more heavily in Iowa and New Hampshire and are especially partial to Democrats. If that keeps up, one pollster thinks they could help knock the GOP aside in November and shift the partisan balance for years to come.

So far, unmarried women - many of whom stayed home in 2004 - are engaging strongly with the primary process and showing a strong partiality for Democrats.

"What we're seeing is an incredible amount of interest in this election and an increased commitment to get involved," says Page Gardner, president of Women's Voices, Women Vote, a Washington-based group focused on spurring unmarried women to the voting booth.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/011508WA.shtml

BTW, I heard any interesting tidbit that a Bush aide speaking on anonymity, said that Bush was not really happy over the Surge sucess in the decrease of violence ! That it flies in the face of his efforts to blame Iran for the violence and the weaponry, so he has more reason to say he has to Bomb them! Now that makes sense!

For those who did not read the articles that Mike Link posted in the heading, from Party Builder, I would encourage you to click into the one on Republicans Against McCain!

Comments like this one make you smile:

"A GOP vote for McCain is a vote for a shattered base and a desultory campaign in the fall...," Hugh Hewitt writes at Townhall, "...It is a vote for lecture after lecture on global warming, campaign finance reform, and the bridge to nowhere. It is a vote for an old warrior way past his prime and the prospect of three debates against Barack Obama in which the age and energy gap goes unremarked upon while devastatingly obvious."

good morning friends and neighbors. sunny and cold here today.

Morning gregg, Good Debate last night.

Nice to see some civility amongst the candidates. It appeared that the moderators would have LOVED to fan the flames of the latest squabbles between Hillary and Obama, but they answered the comments gracefully.

John Edwards did very well.

need more coffee and some breakfast. back soon..........

Good Morning, ALL!

Pam, Hugh Hewitt is a rabid Muttster fanatic.

Mitt Personality Cult. Of course he's going to cut down anybody he doesn't back, it's the Pug way.

it is interesting that the justice department is saying it will be difficult to prosecute the blackwater folks who shot up the iraqi's but on the other hand they are well up to finding out if clemens ever used growth hormones....

"What we're seeing is an incredible amount of interest in this election and an increased commitment to get involved," says Page Gardner, president of Women's Voices, Women Vote, a Washington-based group focused on spurring unmarried women to the voting booth.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/011508WA.shtml

Posted by PamB on January 16, 2008 at 08:41 AM

This could mean the difference for Hillary. Women seem to me to stick together across ethnic, racial, and religious lines more than any other group and, face it guys, they are a majority not a minority.

I think Obama and Clinton last night handled the flare up about race pretty well and I hope that it doesn't happen again.

I'm still in favor of Edwards who came across real well last night but I will vote in the general election for whoever the Democratic nominee is.

In a recect poll Rudy came in 3rd, behind #2 Bloomberg in NYC!

BLOOMBERGMANIA

OOPS, sorry 'bout that. I reposted it on the NEW OPEN THREAD.