Good afternoon, Democrats, and curious Independents and disgruntled Republicans.

What does Governor Huckabee want now that it's become obvious that he can't get enough delegates to win the nomination himself? He says he is staying in to the end, but so did Romney.

Will he go or will he stay? What does he gain by staying in?

GO HILLARY

Get your GROOVE on GF!!

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 02:49 PM

Sandy don't forget raging fanatics and very angry trolls - we have a different kind of wave for them! (or I do) LOL

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 03:01 PM

a VP spot?

Bush To Signal Support To McCain

signed, sealed, delivered WE WIN!!!

(supported with that old clip of Bush and McKook arms around each other on da PLANE, da PLANE!)

Simple Math - DEMOCRATS WIN BIG IN 08

This is a story that I did not like seeing....about the Clinton campaign not paying their rent and leaving a rented office full of trash. It seems that Hillary rented a building for 5 days in Portland, Oregon.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/NEWS/802080448

Personally, this is not that kind of story I want associated with us Democrats.

Does anyone have sufficient connections with the Clinton campaign to get this bill taken care of? Democrats should be focused on issues, the voters should not be wondering if Hillary can and will pay her bills. This kind of thing makes all Demorcrats look bad.

Ladydawn,

Not as crazy as one might think. There's a lot of banter that McKook/Chucklehead would be a unifying ticket for the extreme right. I personally kind of doubt it because the two kinds of right-wingers despise one another, each being "more conservative" than its rival. (NB: Neither is conservative of anything. QED, the extreme right and its minions in government have been most destructive of everything touch. That's not "conserving" of anything.)

It would be lovely to watch, though; two old boat-anchors each as crazy as the other, tied together, sinking themselves and the entire sorry GOP hypocrite-and-kook party with them. Good riddance.

Posted by Irishajw on February 8, 2008 at 03:22 PM

rut roh! return to sender, address unknown! LOL

Good afternoon Dems!

Posted by Ladydawn on February 8, 2008 at 03:08 PM

dawn,

Not if McCain can help it. It would be our dream GOP ticket and he knows it.

SandyH

What Mike Huckabee gains is all the votes if McCain does something stupid that makes him unelectable.
McCain would NOT give his votes to Romney, so Huckabee is just waiting for an act of God to win, and trying to seal enough delegates to make himself look electable and positive for the VP slot.

Posted by {{Rev}} on February 8, 2008 at 03:22 PM

The more I read the more I realize MOST Presidents and VP's are not close (in the beginning especially)

This love affair W has had with Chainsaw all these years proves to me even more the election of 00 was stolen.

also leave hope for a Clinton/Obama match - they couldn't possibly dislike one another as much as ANY of their GOP counterparts through all this. MAN oh MAN! I had no idea McKook was hated so much by so MUCH of the right. Wingnuts mostly.

Our dream GOP ticket would be something like Romney/Keyes.

Our dream GOP ticket would be something like Romney/Keyes.

Hey Margot!

Rest assured, if Hillary is our nominee, the Republicans will make the state of the Clintons' marriage a campaign issue

This is B-S! McCain meeting a rich bimbo like 20 years his junior, while his wife was recuperating from an auto accident, then divorcing his wife? Then She is caught stealing Prescription drugs from a medical charity she started!

I don't think the RNC nor McCain wants to start any mud slinging about marriage !!!

jkar

now that W is coming out for McKook it's all over for him!

W's in the tank with America. That can only hurt him. And we have VIDEO!! LOL

Posted by Irishajw on February 8, 2008 at 03:22 PM

Boy, the RNC really hase you interns scurrying around looking for anything to make the GOP look better. But with Bush's Blunder and his newest round of stagflation front and center, there isn't much good news coming from your side these days.

I saw a video on CNN a while ago showing the Treasury printing money. All those rebate checks with absolutely no money to back them up. Wait till people figure out that they will have to declare them as income next year on their tax cut.

From a budget surplus to printing conterfeit money. The Republicans have been nothing but a fraud...and they have the printing presses to show it.

Today's Blogtoon!
By Moi

John McCain's Nomination Acceptance Speech:

"I, John McCain, Being of, relatively sound mind and body, hereby bequeath all my worldly goods to .... oops wrong speech ....Ah, I John McCain, promise to defend the ah?? ... no no, wait, I got it ... Dearly beloved it, we are gathered here today, in the sight of ... Huck, ah ... ah, Rudy?... Mitt?? .... somebody give me a hand,(his face turning beet red) I can't read the damn teleprompter ... (his voice growing loud and angry) WHY THE HELL CAN'T THESE SOB's... (he suddenly lowers his voice, and smiles uncomfortably ...errrrr, excuse me... I've got to tinkle, be right back."

Posted by PamB on February 8, 2008 at 03:36 PM

no chit Pammy - I keep forgetting that! He's some GREAT example of Family Values. NOT!

so Huckabee is just waiting for an act of God to win,

Posted by JKAR on February 8, 2008 at 03:26 PM

Didn't Dobson already give The Huckster the nod?

Posted by Growingold on February 8, 2008 at 03:38 PM

LOL!

Romney/Keyes

Nah, that's the Mickey Mouse ticket.

Speaking of Mickey Mouse, why is McCain always saying that the terris can take away our freedom? Perhaps they can set off bombs.

But only Bush/Cheney has taken away any or our freedom. FISA and the Patroit Act was the real frontal attack on our republic.

And guess what, McCain has inherited this Bush legacy of shame. He's going to be forced to champion the very thing he says he wants to stop. There's an irony there but none of the GOP sheeple will ever figure it out.

I say we just press him on how he's going to pay for his 100 Years War and how many re-deployments does he thing it will take.

on "The View," Whoopi Goldberg switched her endorsement from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton.
Watch the video:

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=vFtRo3RHpq8&rel=1&eurl=http%3A//www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D132x4467591&iurl=http%3A//i.ytimg.com/vi/vFtRo3RHpq8/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJGiL44vJGiLTtz5X770vBy

Frameshop: McCain And Macaca Get Cozy

After Mitt Romney made headlines dropping out the race, John McCain picked up an endorsement from Mr. Macaca himself, former Virginia Senator, George Allen. Introducing McCain at the CPAC conference in Washington, yesterday, Allen said of McCain:

"His experience coupled with his strong belief in core conservative principles makes him uniquely prepared to serve as our next commander in chief...I am confident that he is the only candidate who can combat the threat of radical Islamic extremism, ensure our country's economic prosperity, stop wasteful Washington spending, and uphold our traditional values." (The Washington Post)

Apparently, McCain is not bothered by Allen's past flirtations with Neo-Confederate groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens, Allen's history of embracing racist symbols, or Allen's general image as an aspiring bigot...

Continue reading:
http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com/frameshop/2008/02/frameshop-mccai.html

John McCain said Friday he isn't counting Mike Huckabee out, even though it's now nearly mathematically impossible for the former Arkansas governor capture the Republican Party's nomination.

"Gov Huckabee is still in this race, and he is a viable candidate and I'm sure will continue to show strength and that's why we're moving forward with our campaigning," McCain said. "Obviously we are pleased with the events that have happened, but we still have a ways to go and we'll continue campaigning."

Hillary Is the Democrat To Beat McCain
New Information
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http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=34374

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This is the way it should be for all of us, folks !

Concentrate on Senile old man McCain, not Democrats.

Clinton Focuses on Matchup vs. McCain

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, making her first appearance in Virginia yesterday before Tuesday's regional primary, matched herself up not with opponent Sen. Barack Obama, but Sen. John McCain, who is on the verge of the Republican presidential nomination.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020808I.shtml

freaky pammy

I swear to god I was almost gonna post McCain/Mckaka but changed my mind at the last minute.

weirddddddd maybe cuz I saw him standing behind him recently right? At some rally? Or was he standing behind Romney?

Posted by PamB on February 8, 2008 at 03:36 PM

Pam,

What is it with these Republican conservatives? First Newt and now McCain? The part about in sickness and health just doesn't seem to compute in the sanctity of marriage vows with these very religious men.

I wonder if McCain has another one waiting in the wings. His wife looks like she's stoned. There must be some sort of medical reason for that, right? She couldn't possibly be a relapse guy like that closet addict Limbaugh?

There's an irony there but none of the GOP sheeple will ever figure it out.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 03:51 PM

Oh, they know, they just find it easy to ignore contradictions. It's easy when you don't have a conscience.

The DNC really has to do something about this delegate count. Most services are estimating what they think is the delegate count, which most are close together, but CNN is adding in super delegates to their counts and lopsiding the count.

All the news orgs are causing a controversy where none exists. The DNC needs to do an official count of the pledged delegates and explain that the super delegates will be distributed after the primary season.

My understanding of the system is that whoever is ahead in delegates after all the states vote, the super delegates will be given to the one with the most pledged delegates to give them a majority.

Do not let this divide a very excited and enthusiastic democratic support base that is forming before our very eyes.

his strong belief in core conservative principles
Posted by PamB on February 8, 2008 at 03:53 PM

Apparently when you say something over and over again, it becomes true...

Posted by DemocratKickingAss on February 8, 2008 at 03:57 PM

Why aren't you Clinton folks calling for Irish Americans to come out to the caucuses? Or Italian Americans. Or gays and lesbians? Or young people? Or dopey old men?

Oh, forget that one. McCain is busy elsewhere this weekend.

Posted by margotb822 on February 8, 2008 at 04:01 PM

margot,

So true.

I suggest we all refer to McCain from now on as Conservative McCain. I think it's the sort of irony that even the Republican base would get.

Pam: Isn't "conservative principles" an oxymoron?
If McCains's going to stop "wasteful Washington spending" does that mean the Republicans are finally going support oversight of the no-bid contractors in Iraq and demand accountability?
And what are they going to do about the threat of radical Christian extremism?
LOL! I've been trying to teach my grand-daughter about "Actions speak louder than words" as in "If she's your friend, why does she call you names and kick you?" kind of thing.
Funny, how you can take a Republican speech and do the same thing. Especially cool if there's some rabid Republican supporter within earshot.
Rabies attacks the brain and central nervous system BTW, which probably accounts for most of the supporters who are stil in the Republican party these days.;-D

For a while, the Republican electoral-vote scheme in California seemed like a fairly serious effort, and certainly something to keep an eye on. Fortunately, at least for now, it’s dead.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/08/gop-electoral-scheme-dies-in-california/

My understanding of the system is that whoever is ahead in delegates after all the states vote, the super delegates will be given to the one with the most pledged delegates to give them a majority.

Do not let this divide a very excited and enthusiastic democratic support base that is forming before our very eyes.

Posted by TMH on February 8, 2008 at 04:04 PM

TMH,

Super delegates are technically free to vote for whomever they with to vote for.

Steve

TMH,

Super delegates are technically free to vote for whomever they with(should read "wish") to vote for.

Steve

I type with a lisp

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 04:07 PM

I'm really enjoying the fact that Republicans are trying to choke down the "McKool-Aid." It must taste so bitter! I guess they can cry themselves to sleep on their piles of money they've amassed under W.

From Dr. Paul Krugman's current column for the NYTimes also available at truthout.org

~snip~
Since September, the Federal Reserve has slashed its target interest rate five times, and everyone expects it to cut further. But interest rates were cut dramatically during the last two slumps, too - yet the slumps went on for years anyway.

Meanwhile, Congress and the Bush administration have reached agreement on a much-hyped stimulus package. But the package, while probably better than nothing, is unlikely to make a noticeable dent in the problem - in part because the insistence of the administration and Senate Republicans on blocking precisely the measures, such as expanded unemployment insurance and food stamps, that are most likely to be effective.

Still, by January the White House will have a new occupant. If the slump is still going on, which is likely, this will offer a chance to consider other, more effective measures.

In particular, now would be a good time to think about the possibility of going beyond tax cuts and rebate checks, and stimulating the economy with some much-needed public investment - say, in repairing the country's crumbling infrastructure.

The usual rap against public spending as a form of economic stimulus is that it takes too long to get going - that by the time the money starts flowing, the recession is already over. But if this turns out to be a prolonged slump, which seems likely, that won't be a problem.

You mean like this

African Americans for Obama

or African Americans for Hillary

some people fall comfortably into their own niche

others rebel against it

I type with a lisp

Posted by Growingold on February 8, 2008 at 04:13 PM

Shouldn't that be ' I type with a lithp' :-)

Hi Steve. How's it going?

If McCains's going to stop "wasteful Washington spending"
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What are they going to do about wasteful weapon systems? Do we really need new classes of nuclear warheads, new types of submarines, etc... I thought we were a bunch of "cave dwelling" terr-ists.

I never met a Pug Ugly who didn't like spending billions on weapons. They never even question if it's nonsense.

Cafferty's question of the day: Will conservatives rally around John McCain?

They rallied around the devil and the Fourth Branch, didn't they?

Why wouldn't they rally around an eratic, irrational war-monger who wouldn't support his wife in sickness and health?

All the party establishment wants is permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, war profiteering, and record oil company profits.

Conservative McCain is just the sort of opportunist they like. He has no problem using dirty tricks and telling the little people what they want to hear. But he's only planning on delivering for the top 2%.

I predict his first Supreme Court nominee will be Boomberg not Dobson.

McCaining in Singapore
From Wackypedia, the freak encyclopedia

McCaining in the city-state of Singapore is used as a form of judicial corporal punishment of men and boys for criminal offences.

"McCaining" in the Singapore context can mean three quite different things: (1) A punishment of children by their parents, using a small rattan that is sold for this purpose in grocery stores; about 20% of parents were found to use this form of discipline in a survey ("Most parents here don't McCain kids, shows study", Straits Times, 17 September 2004); (2) a formal corporal punishment in school, in the English tradition (for male students only); many secondary schools in the country punish significant misbehaviour with a long thin rattan applied to the boy's clothed buttocks; (3) a very severe punishment of male criminals, ordered by the courts under Singapore law. Only the third of these meanings, judicial McCaining, is covered in this article.
Judicial McCaining was introduced to Singapore by the British when they controlled Singapore as part of their colonial empire. Thousands of male criminals are McCained in Singapore each year for both violent and non-violent offences such as vandalism, overstaying one's visa or illegal immigration.

McCaining is never ordered on its own, but always as an addition to a prison sentence.

The subject to be McCained is strapped in a bending-over position to a metal or wooden frame. The punishment is delivered to the bare buttocks, the number of strokes being specified in the court's sentence. The rattan McCain is 1.2 metres (3.9 ft) long and up to 1.27 centimetres (0.5 in) thick,[1] considerably bigger and heavier than a school McCain. The McCain is soaked in water beforehand to prevent it from splitting and make it more flexible; the Prisons Department denies that the McCain is soaked in brine, but notes that the McCain is treated with antiseptic before use. Parts of the prisoner's body are padded to prevent accidental damaging of the kidneys and the genitals. Permanent scarring of the buttocks can occur in the case of a large number of strokes

some people fall comfortably into their own niche

others rebel against it

Posted by Ladydawn on February 8, 2008 at 04:17 PM
==================================================

Some refuse to be put into a "niche". This is the crazy contradiction in identity politics. All politicians do it yet they don't want to readily admit it. I simply blow it off as noise.

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 04:21 PM

rj,

While Bush was getting us bogged down in Iraq, Bin Lauden has gotten his doctorate in Physics and can now build nuclear warheads? All the cave dwellers have no doubt surpassed the US literacy scores thanks to No Child Left Behind.

But the package, while probably better than nothing, is unlikely to make a noticeable dent in the problem - in part because the insistence of the administration and Senate Republicans on blocking precisely the measures, such as expanded unemployment insurance and food stamps, that are most likely to be effective.
==================================================

Agreed! This is the version of the bill that lost by 1 vote. Guess who decided not to vote? McKook!

I am sure that freezing, hungry, out of work Americans will thank him.

Mary,

As you can tell from my most recent post. I have way to much time on my hands today. But, aside from that, not bad.

Thanks,

Steve

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 04:26 PM

I'm not into being "slotted" either and I even have that statement up at Party Builder.

But some "folks" seem to have a NEED for the fellowship of their own _____(fill in the blank)___

All the cave dwellers have no doubt surpassed the US literacy scores thanks to No Child Left Behind.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 04:26 PM
================================================

Sandy, let me understand this. We need new types of nuclear weapons, submarines, fighters, etc... to combat terrorists? Do we plan to drop nukes on one person? Sorta overkill.

Jersey

I'd rather hang out with "Dems" than "Pugs"

That's a slot I'll fall into easily!

"I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars". - Barack Obama, October 2, 2002--the day Bush and Congress agreed on a joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War.

marymac: One definition of insanity is trying something repeatedly that didn't work the first time.
As for the slump continuing into the next presidency, the Great Depression happened during the Hoover administration, which followed the Republican party line of the time and worsened the Depression, which carried into Franklin Delano Roosevelt's administration. Roosevelt applied different remedies, and got the credit for pulling us out of the Depression. WWII helped to end the Depression, but the several programs that FDR instituted was already turning the economy around when WWII came along.
Now we're looking at having another Democrat cleaning up a Republican mess.
Historical point. The Republicans in Congress continually waged war on Roosevelt's New Deal, which points out the imperative of getting as many populist Democrats into Congress as we can.

But some "folks" seem to have a NEED for the fellowship of their own _____(fill in the blank)___

Posted by Ladydawn on February 8, 2008 at 04:30 PM
====================================================

Yeah, I know what you mean. It's not my thing either. But, like it or not, all politicians do it (and then deny that they are not being inclusive). That's why they run all of these pigeon-holed polls to try to sort everyone out into neat categories.

Posted by Butte on February 8, 2008 at 04:08 PM

Butte,

One of my favorite things to do when I'm in a public place like a grocery store or bank these days is to loudly ask another person in line something like this:

"How can anybody with half a brain continue to vote Repubican with the mess we find our country in since that idiot Bush and his Republican Congress were elected?"

It's obvious who the Repubicans are. They just look sheepishly around at the National Enquirer. The Democrats and Independents join right in and finish what I've started. I try to keep in going as long as I can. Even some of the Republicans chip in with a negative comment or two.

Posted by Growingold on February 8, 2008 at 04:30 PM
I don't know about you but I will be soooo very happy when we nominate a candidate. We have two excellent people from which to choose, that's probably why they are in a virtual tie. They both have such great qualities. It's exciting and a little frustrating at the same time!

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars". - Barack Obama, October 2, 2002--the day Bush and Congress agreed on a joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on February 8, 2008 at 04:33 PM

Blue,

Just to be fair, he then proceeded to vote, along with Senator Clinton, for over $300 billion in war funding, since entering the Senate in 2005.

Steve

Blue,

Make that:

Just to be fair, he then proceeded to vote, along with Senator Clinton, for over $300 billion in "Dumb Wars" funding, since entering the Senate in 2005.

Steve

LOL! Yeah, Sandy, I'm finding it harder and harder to get someone to argue back!

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 04:36 PM

LOL that reminded me of the hanging chads for some reason -

life would be much easier if the lines could be drawn so precisely

unfortunately the truth is that the GREY areas or GRAY usually rules out in the end

ok now I want some tea

bbl lol
Peace

WWII helped to end the Depression, but the several programs that FDR instituted was already turning the economy around when WWII came along.
==================================================
FDR actually started with a fairly conservative platform of balancing the budget. He then cleaned up the banks and regulated the financial markets. That was critical to restoring confidence as there were several "runs on the banks". In his second term, he implemented many of the programs and came up with the New Deal. I am always impressed by how many say they would have gone under if it wasn't for FDR. That's the best sign that what he did had immense value. FDR was a giant.

"How can anybody with half a brain continue to vote Repubican with the mess we find our country in since that idiot Bush and his Republican Congress were elected?"

I like to do that and be sure to add the word 'conservative' but say it like I'm spitting out something that tastes bad! Sometimes I'll add, "I'm so glad to be a liberal - those idiot conservatives, how stupid can you get?"

Living in the Bible Belt, this sometimes does not go over well, but, what can they say?

NBC NEWS STATEMENT REGARDING CHELSEA CLINTON COMMENT:

On Thursday's "Tucker" on MSNBC, David Shuster, who was serving as guest-host of the program, made a comment about Chelsea Clinton and the Clinton campaign that was irresponsible and inappropriate. Shuster, who apologized this morning on MSNBC and will again this evening, has been suspended from appearing on all NBC News broadcasts, other than to make his apology. He has also extended an apology to the Clinton family. NBC News takes these matters seriously, and offers our sincere regrets to the Clintons for the remarks.

Both the Clinton and Obama campaigns accepted invitations from us on Thursday evening to participate in a February 26th debate. Our conversations with the Clinton campaign about their participation continue today, and we are hopeful that the event will take place as planned.

>More from an insider: the suspension is temporary and includes Shuster's MSNBC appearances.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/shuster_suspended_for_pimped_out_comment_77059.asp

Quite right, so he should be. And we now know who one more of the RNC "hookers" are, don't we...

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 04:43 PM

Greatest Presidents ever IMHO:
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
FDR

FDR was a giant.

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 04:43 PM

RJS,

I'm a big fan of FDR myself. But I swear to god, if they elected you or I to a 4th term, we'd be giants too.

Steve

RJS,

Make that:

I'm a big fan of FDR myself. But I swear to god, if they elected you or I to a 4th term, we'd be giants too.

You think Bill's thinking what I'm thinking?

Steve

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 03:38 PM

Dearest dearest SandyH....I'm a Democrat not a RNC Intern as you say. I guess you can keep sticking your head in the sand and ignore our problems if you want to. I'm trying to nip problems in the bud, before they become a republican tool of distraction.

It seems that you don't like the message so you (falsely) attack the messanger....how Bush like. That is just one of the many things I hate most about the Reblicans....and you have that quality too. How proud you must be.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 03:38 PM

Dearest dearest SandyH....I'm a Democrat not a RNC Intern as you say. I guess you can keep sticking your head in the sand and ignore our problems if you want to. I'm trying to nip problems in the bud, before they become a republican tool of distraction.

It seems that you don't like the message so you (falsely) attack the messanger....how Bush like. That is just one of the many things I hate most about the Republicans....and you have that quality too. How proud you must be.

Posted by Growingold on February 8, 2008 at 04:42 PM

I see a difference in funding the troops once they're sent over and sending them over in the first place, don't you?

Greatest Presidents ever IMHO:
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
FDR

Posted by marymac_memphis on February 8, 2008 at 04:48 PM

Greatest Presidents ever IMHO:

Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama!

Steve

Does anyone know each of the candidate's position on the use of waterboarding?

I see a difference in funding the troops once they're sent over and sending them over in the first place, don't you?

Posted by BlueinIdaho on February 8, 2008 at 04:52 PM

No.

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 04:32 PM

rj,

He'd have to find him first. McCain isn't anymore willing to do that than Bush. It would disrupt the Republican privatization, no-bid gravy train.

All we've ever had to do was send our Special Opps into Pakistan and have them wait in hiding until the CIA tells them Bin Lauden is moving.

I can see him now cracking a whip over the heads of hundred of thousands of poor Iraqis as they pull his nuclear submarine across the desert with Pharaoh Conservative McCain standing on the bridge looking for boogiemen behind every sand dune.

Rove has created a Freudian model that creates only Napoleonic psychos for presidential candidates. But he and the Bush crime family also stole the Treasury blind, so they can't really get anywhere.

Does anyone know each of the candidate's position on the use of waterboarding?

Posted by BlueinIdaho on February 8, 2008 at 04:56

Originally McCaining was against waterboarding.

When asked a second time, The Really Really Really Elderly, I mean elder senator from Arizona said, "I prefer snowboarding."

Posted by Growingold on February 8, 2008 at 04:57 PM

I do. Most experts are split as to the consequences of pulling out all at once. To stop funding would be rolling those dice. He had the cajones and the brains from the beginning to know that this was a very baddddd idea. I wish more people had.

have a great weekend.

I do. Most experts are split as to the consequences of pulling out all at once. To stop funding would be rolling those dice. He had the cajones and the brains from the beginning to know that this was a very baddddd idea. I wish more people had.

have a great weekend.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on February 8, 2008 at 05:03 PM

Voting against funding the war, would not result in the immediate redeployment of our troops out of Iraq. That is a myth.

You have a great weekend too,

Steve

Dearest dearest SandyH

Move over, Pam. I think I've attracted the attention of an admirer, too.

I'm touched by your "concern" for our side. Will you be my valentine and pledge to vote for whichever Democratic candidate that wins our nomination?

Yes...I'll vote for whomever wins the Democratic nomination....unless the rabid supporters of one side or the other keep pissing me off.

Greetings fellow Americans

As the great great grandson of congressman George Washington Carmack ( founder of the Klawndike gold rush ) count me in for change . hard choices between Hillary and Obama however Hillary has the experience for proper change .
Obama would make a fine Vice president and insure democratic victory during this most critical struggle in US History since the days of my great great grandfather fighting for equality and sadly died for that principal .

peace and goodwill .

Michael

When asked a second time, The Really Really Really Elderly, I mean elder senator from Arizona said, "I prefer snowboarding."

Posted by Growingold on February 8, 2008 at 05:02 PM

I've noticed his weird sort of macabre sense of humor, too. He seems to be casting himself as the Grim Reaper of Comedy Central. Well, it's better than his fishy lawyer jokes.

If he keeps making fun of serious issues with creepy remarks, some might start comparing McCain to Larry Craig. They already look alike.

Posted by marymac_memphis on February 8, 2008 at 04:48 PM

Washington
Lincoln
Jefferson

In the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, government officials and industry leaders talked excitedly about how they expected technology to plug many of the gaps in airport security.

They envisioned machines that would quickly detect explosives hidden in luggage, spot plastic explosives or other weapons through people's clothing, identify a flicker in the eye of a suspicious character.

But six years later, little has changed at airport checkpoints. Screeners still use X-ray machines to scan carry-on bags, and passengers still pass through magnetometers that cannot detect plastic or liquid explosives. The Transportation Security Administration has yet to deploy a machine that can efficiently detect liquid bombs, forcing millions of air passengers to check bags or pare down their toiletries to three-ounce containers in carry-on baggies...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23061459/

And the Republicans are still going tout themselves as the party of national security? Are we really safer than we were on 11SEP01?

This is just another example of GOP incompetence. The GOP always runs on how bad a big government is and when they get elected, by God, they prove just how incomeptent government can be.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 05:19 PM

Sandy,

Actually, that was me doing satire. Lampooning the old warbuzzard,so to speak.

Steve

I posted this 2 threads ago......I'm way behind and trying to catch up.

Posted by PamB on February 8, 2008 at 09:31 AM

"(In our view, they weren't primaries because there was no real campaigning in the states -- and in Michigan only Hillary Clinton's name was on the ballot.)"
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Stop Promoting the fiction that Hillary's name was the only one on the ballot. 1st--I voted in Michigan's "primary" and there were three names on my ballot: Clinton, Gravel and Kucinich (in that alphabetical order). EVERYONE ELSE CHOSE TO REMOVE THEIR NAME FROM THE BALLOT.......in LOCKSTEP with the national party. 2nd--NO DEMOCRATS, I REPEAT, NO DEMOCRATS CAMPAIGNED IN MICHIGAN; that means Clinton, Gravel and Kucinich did NOT campaign in Michigan.(I almost went to some Republican gatherings just to hear some politics....but I didn't.)
I gave my vote to one of the three who left me with an opportunity to be heard.
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"But there may be another reason. If the "results" of the non-primary primaries were upheld by DNC Credentials Committee prior to the convention, and the convention delegates accepted the Credentials Committee recommendation to seat the delegates under the current distribution, Hillary Clinton would likely win the nomination."
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Your Point?; are you saying we should not let Hillary win the nomination?
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"In January, BuzzFlash proposed one possible solution; some people in the DNC are proposing another. The latter plan would include party caucuses in Michigan and Florida in the early summer. That would be a sensible idea, but the Clinton campaign opposes it. One can assume that they are not happy with Obama's strength in caucus states."
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With that kind of reasoning, ONE CAN ALSO ASSUME that Obama, et al did not want our votes because they LOCK-STEPPED BEHIND "THE MACHINE" ie "THE ESTABLISHMENT" and took their names off of the ballot.
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Up until now, I haven't voiced an opinion on what should be done about Michigan & Florida. But now I'm thinking maybe we should divvy up those delegates proportionately with Hillary, Mike and Dennis getting their percentage, and the "uncommitted " divided BETWEEN ALL ofthe rest as they chose use a name in common.
Sounds fair to me.
Posted by hoipolloi on February

I like it how Hillary's campaign refuses to debate on MSNBC because of a rude comment made about Chelsea by one of their anchors.

I guess this is the 1st Amendment protection we can expect from President Clinton. Parade your daughter around on the campaign trail, then get huffy when one guy makes a jerk comment and pick up your toys and go home.

I sure hope Ahmadinajad doesn't say something rude....

Give me a break.

I've noticed his weird sort of macabre sense of humor, too. He seems to be casting himself as the Grim Reaper of Comedy Central. Well, it's better than his fishy lawyer jokes.

If he keeps making fun of serious issues with creepy remarks, some might start comparing McCain to Larry Craig. They already look alike.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 05:1

Besides, I'm much funnier than he is. I think, I hope ...

The life of a chatroom comic, in the blogisphere is a loney one.

Steve

Posted by marymac_memphis on February 8, 2008 at 04:48 PM

Lincoln
FDR
Eisenhower
JFK

Posted by Growingold on February 8, 2008 at 05:25 PM

Steve, you're beginning to scare me. I hope the writers' strike is over soon. You need to get back to doing what you do best. Who do you regularly write for...Leno or Jon Steward?

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama_for_POTUS_2008 on February 8, 2008 at 05:24 PM

Bob,

But I do believe the Republicans stripped union rights from the airport security people and have privatized a good portion of it. That's what they consider progress.

Why Eisenhower?

Posted by ivoteindependent on February 8, 2008 at 05:27 PM

I suppose you didn't get the drift of the Imus "Ho" remarks either.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 05:35 PM

Eisenhower because of the reinvestment in infrastructure after WW2, interstate highways, his service in WW1, kicking Hitler's butt in WW2, and his prophetic warning of the influence of the "military industrial complex".

But now I'm thinking maybe we should divvy up those delegates proportionately with Hillary, Mike and Dennis getting their percentage, and the "uncommitted " divided BETWEEN ALL ofthe rest as they chose use a name in common. Sounds fair to me.

Posted by hoipolloi on February

It sounds fair but the whole point of this issue is that the voters in those states are not getting a say. It's not about the delegates as much as its about the Democrats of Michigan and Florida getting to voice their opinion just like the rest of us.

I like the idea of holding a caucus or mail-in primary now that more than half of the other states have had theirs. I'm not sure which would cost more, but the state parties should pay for it since they broke the rules to begin with.

However, I'd be happy to chip in to make this happen for them. We need to make sure all our Democratic brothers and sisters are united come November. Give them a break for heavens sakes. We all go overboard from time to time.

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama_for_POTUS_2008 on February 8, 2008 at 05:43 PM

Bob,

A lot of that was done before Eisenhower was elected president. If he was concerned about the military industrial complex, why didn't he propose legislation to stop it? I've never understood why he let McCarthy run loose.

However, I think the highway program and other investments in infrastructure were brilliant moves. It showed signs of a true forward-thinking manager. I guess he was general to the end.

Teddy Roosevelt should probably be in there, too...another forward-thinking pragmatist.

Posted by ivoteindependent on February 8, 2008 at 05:27 PM

Yes....it is interesting.

I think most believe that MSNBC leans Obama; CBS/CNN leans Clinton. Some of the Pro-Obama's are anti-Hillary; many of the Pro-Hillary's are anti-Obama. It seems that the 1990's style partisianship now invades the democratic party itself. I think I know whose fault that is.... (think "wagging finger.")

Anyway, to solve this insanely stupid deadlock, I propose that all debates be done by PBS. Jim Laer...anyone have a problem with him moderating debates?

For those of us in the middle (which is not you, SandyH), I would suggest that if you see Hillary suppoters being jackasses....make the decision to end the decades worth of partisian crap by voting for Obama. That appears to be what voters in South Carolina decided. Of course, if Obama supporters are being jackasses....then of course, Hillary gets the vote.

Maybe in the end we will have a candidate (with like minded supporters) who can rebuild our party and our nation.

For those of us in the middle (which is not you, SandyH

You got that right Daddy Dearest. I'm a proud progressive.

I second the PBS idea.

Okay everyone that has made their favorite President list but left off Jefferson; how can you be a democrat and not list Jefferson? He along with Madison founded our party! Then there is the Lewis & Clark exp. and the westward expansion. And, without Madison we would not have the Bill of Rights! It's okay to add to my list, but please don't leave out the guys without whom we would have no party!

My Greatest Presidents ever IMHO:

FDR
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison

Yes, I rank FDR ahead of the founders because he faced and deal with much tougher times.

Have you realized that with our campaign going all the way into April and maybe beyond we will get months of free media time to go after McCain.

So by givintg this thing to McCAin early, the GOP voters screwed themselves in yet in another way. I hope Huckabee makes good use of his remaining time. I want him to rub it in real well that McCain is not the conservative candidate.

bbl.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 05:54 PM

I like to believe he let Sen. McCarthy hang himself. As far as the military industrial complex goes, there really is no legislation that can prevent such. It takes, strong, intelligent leaders to know when war is absolutely necessary, the only time war should be fought IMHO, and when there are better methods to settling issues.

I agree with you about Teddy Roosevelt. His work setting up the National Parks was brilliant.

It's exciting and a little frustrating at the same time!

Posted by marymac_memphis on February 8, 2008 at 04:38 PM
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Mary, hang in there. Let the process work. Right now the pundits are having a field day speculating. They have been totally wrong so far. Let's see how it works out. As a possible fallback the DNC should investigate whether the candidates would live with a simple majority (unfortunately probably including the super delegates). That would avoid a brokered convention.

And one last thought...

Just about every state is getting great personal attention by both of our candidates. That's the kind of hands on politics that pays off big time in the general. How often have we had that kind of personal exposure available in the past to almost all voters across the country.

We need really need to do another caucus/primary in Michigan and Florida. It would be a way to heal the wounds and plant the seeds for November. Let's get our candidates into those states, too.

later.

voters have a better sense of things than their leaders do:

MSNBC
To boost economy, Americans want out of Iraq
Stimulus checks welcome, but AP poll reveals desire to cut war spending

updated 4 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The heck with Congress’ big stimulus bill. The way to get the country out of recession — and most people think we’re in one — is to get the country out of Iraq, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll.

Pulling out of the war ranked first among proposed remedies in the survey, followed by spending more on domestic programs, cutting taxes and, at the bottom end, giving rebates to poor people in hopes they’ll spend the economy into recovery...

Unfortunately, we are back to an "internal server error". Posting was getting slower and slower as the day went by.

SandyH dear....you may have misunderstood.

In my post I was referring to the middle of the Hillary vrs. Obama debate; not the progressive vrs. conservative debate...

Any by the way, trying to shout me down with the "you're an RNC itern" tag is not very progessive...

We liberals actually believe in something called "freedom of speech" and we try to be respectful to the ideas of others, even when we disagree.

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 06:07 PM

I hope that you are right. I just want the decision made so that I can start 'working my butt off' for our candidate. I kind of feel like I am in limbo. On this web site and a couple of others, I sometimes feel like a referee between the supporters of the two candidates. I mentioned this to someone and they told me that it was my own fault, I should just let the two groups 'duke it out!' That's hard to do, hard to watch. I can't hardly stand for Democrats to 'rip each other up.' Especially when it is so much fun to rip up the repugs!

The GOP always runs on how bad a big government is and when they get elected, by God, they prove just how incomeptent government can be.

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama_for_POTUS_2008 on February 8, 2008 at 05:24 PM
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Hi Bob, that's for sure! Did you read Obama's comments from New Orleans ... no more Brownies!
I sure hope so.

his prophetic warning of the influence of the "military industrial complex".

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama_for_POTUS_2008 on February 8, 2008 at 05:43 PM
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Bob, too bad no one listened to him. Look at how out of control it is right now.

To boost economy, Americans want out of Iraq
Stimulus checks welcome, but AP poll reveals desire to cut war spending
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gregg, thank goodness they are seeing the relationship. Many economists think the high inflation of the 1970's was brought on by the excessive spending in the Vietnam war. I think we are in for something as bad if not worst because of Iraq.

It's simple economics. More debt means dollar devaluation. Dollar devaluations means inflation.

Posted by rjsnj on February 8, 2008 at 06:17 PM

As do I, RJ, as do I.

Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The populist revolution has begun.

PB open thread is here

I hope that you are right. I just want the decision made so that I can start 'working my butt off' for our candidate.
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Mary, I understand. Let me leave you with this. What's the first action you should be taking in a presidential season? Answer - registering voters!

That can even be done on a non-partisian basis and takes lots of time to do well and you don't need a nominee to do it.

If you never did it before look for groups that are affliated with Public Citizen (Citizen Action, etc...). They do lots of voter registration generally starting around April.

ALL THIS TALK ABOUT FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN:
1. first of all the votes have already been cast once.
2. Edwards and Obama took their names off the ballots volunteerily. No one forced them.
3. If we revote or recaucas it really sounds likes, OK, I did not get the outcome I wanted so lets redo it.
4. Sounds like the republicans stealing votes again to me.
5. I don't care about what candidate it hurts, a re-do in any form is an insult to Florida and Michigan. When I vote, I don't get another chance, 1 person,1 vote, thats it, case closed!!!

connfloyd, give it up. MI and FL violated the rules that they were well aware of, and now they have to deal with the consequences. Hillary barely beat "other" in MI. Amazing how much you whine when you feel like hillary is getting a bad rap, but now you" don't care which candidate it hurts" ? Anyone who has seen your rants KNOWS how hypocritical that statement is. Sounds like your getting desperate after seeing the polling for the upcoming states to me.

My anger about the Clintons grows everyday. If she tries to put Florida and Michigan delegates into the convention OR super-delegates get to choose the nomination....I will immediately change my party affiliation and vote for McCain. I will also campaign against a democrat for the first time in my life. Most of my lifelong Democratic family and friends feel the same way.
She is the downfall of the party and will drag many more down with her.

All you Hillary ppl out there need to realize this as a cold hard truth...SHE IS NOT BILL...and will only give the republicans their only hope in Nov.

Support Obama and lets start focusing on the White House...a quarter century of 2 families is too much.

It sounds fair but the whole point of this issue is that the voters in those states are not getting a say. It's not about the delegates as much as its about the Democrats of Michigan and Florida getting to voice their opinion just like the rest of us.

Posted by SandyH on February 8, 2008 at 05:44 PM
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I don't understand your reasoning. We had our say...we all voted.

I don't see how any Democrat could say it is okay to not let all of our votes count. Florida and Michigan should be allowed to have their delegates. The ones fussing about this would not be, if their candidate had been the one that won. We have already had one election where our citizens had their votes disenfranchised, we simply can not let that happen again.

BaBaBushka Addresses Conservatives
Washington, DC
CPAC 2/8/08

The President ended his speech by urging Republicans to keep their attention focused on the larger cause of "keep[ing] the White House in 2008."

"Soon we'll have a nominee who will carry a conservative banner into this election and beyond. Listen, the stakes in November are high. This is an important election. Prosperity and peace are in the balance. So with confidence in our vision and faith in our values, let us go forward," President Bush said.

White House Deputy Press Secretary Scott Stanzel later told reporters that "it would be wrong" to construe the President's remarks as an endorsement for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), *

Dems,

It makes me wonder who that little old white haired gentleman, the Presidunce had his arms around at CPAC today, it was either John McCain or his mother.

A better question is, why would the Really White House, be backing away from an endorsement of the party's presumptive nominee?

This is the joke of the week. The President is witholding his endorsement of McCain, to apply political pressure for what? I'll tell you what, nothing!

No one in his own party cares, what Bushytushy thinks about anything at this point. Not much of a legacy.

So I'll finish tonight with a bedtime story:

It was late in the day, BaBaBushka was CPACing with a few thousand of his former friends. While his crew of Neo Conmen, were jumping the ship like the rats that they are. The Presidunce continued his rant to right. He took his applause, huged the old really white haired man and whispered in his ear, "Tuck in your shirt John, they can see your britches" The Old Man squints his eyes, and smiles, as he looks at his bride and says, "she still looks great, doesn't she George?"

The End

That's the view from the cheap seats,

Steve

* Kris Alingod - AHN News Writer

connfloyd, give it up. MI and FL violated the rules that they were well aware of, and now they have to deal with the consequences. Hillary barely beat "other" in MI. Amazing how much you whine when you feel like hillary is getting a bad rap, but now you" don't care which candidate it hurts" ? Anyone who has seen your rants KNOWS how hypocritical that statement is. Sounds like your getting desperate after seeing the polling for the upcoming states to me.
Posted by justaguy on February 8, 2008 at 08:23 PM
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I thought Hillary got 60% vs 40% for "other". "Other"'s 40% is divided between All the candidates who pulled. I wouldn't call that "barely" beating.

Justaguy,

I am accutely aware of the time line, that led to the debacale that was the Florida Presidential Preferance Election. I fought with my party leaders, here in the state. I lead a letter writing drive, to both Chairpersons Dean & Thurman. If you read the entire text of the actually case that went to US District Court, you'll see that both the National Party, and the State Democrats, were so deeply intrenched in their positions, that they left no chance for compromise. Both the State and the DNC, were clear of the possible ramifications. The obvious, was the possibility of desinfranching everyday Florida Democratic voters. This in a critical state to both the party and the nation.

Now, it is the DNC, that is revisiting the issue. Chairman Dean needs to back off now, and leave it to the convention, where it obviously belongs at this point. Even if it was unintended, it stinks of partisan politics. This has only further inflamed the passions of those everyday Florida voters, Senator Clintons supporters, Senator Obama's supporters. Changing the decision of the party and the court, circumvents the rules. And as you so accurately said, "Rules are Rules"!

Anyone that suggests to you, that Florida Democrtatic voters, were denied the right to vote, wasn't looking at the same state I live in.

Over 1,600,000, of us went to the polls and voted. So strong was our voice, that the candidate I voted for, John Edward, suspended his campaign, because of the results here in the Sunshine State. We weren't denied our Vote, we were denied Representation.

I ask you, I plead with you, in the name of Unity. Please, when a Florida Dem, comes around these parts, looking for a place to vent.

Instead of dropping the usual,

"...people who think FL or MI did NOT know the rules, and possible punishments for this..."

Welcome them. Tell them you can appreciate their pain, that we're going to work together to fix the Primary System between now and 2012. Tell them you care.

I assure you, Mr. and Ms. Everyday Florida Dem, didn't know the rules or punishments. They are your brothers and sister.

If you can't see it from that perspective, look at it this way. Do you want to elect a Democrat to the White House? Do you want to increase our majority in the House? Do you think we should try to carry Florida for a change? Do you think you're going to do that by feeding the anger of these life long dems. Some of whom have been voting Democratic, longer than you and I have been alive.(combined, in many cases)

I do appreciate your passion.

Steve

"She is the downfall of the party and will drag many more down with her.
All you Hillary ppl out there need to realize this as a cold hard truth...SHE IS NOT BILL...and will only give the republicans their only hope in Nov"

Postby JeffT on Februed ary 8, 2008 at 08:40 PM
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"....downfall of the party...." That is YOUR OPINION, not a fact so don't present it as one. We are all entitled to an opinion.
Speaking for myself, I don't want Bill back. He had his turn. HILLARY IS BETTER. Bill f****d up with NAFTA and I "heard" Hillary was on the OTHER side of that arguement.

Just read(on CNN)that "MSNBC's David Shuster was suggesting the Clinton campaign had "pimped out" 27-year old Chelsea by having her place phone calls to celebrities and Democratic Party "superdelegates" on her mother's behalf."

Now tell us again how the media does not favor one candidate over another.

It simply amazes me how these Oprahama or I mean Obama supporters try to spin the primary results in Michigan and Florida where there was no campaigning by either candidate.
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Yes- NO CAMPAIGNING BY EITHER CANDIDATE. At the same time, there were several "suggestions" in the media before the primary encouraging people to vote "uncommitted" in protest "if your candidate is not on the ballot". There were NO suggestions to vote for Hillary. In my eyes, that's damn near campaigning on the side of "uncommitted". Several candidates withdrew their names, then claimed to be above the fray while there was a whisper campaign going on in support of them. I see that as underhanded.

Its funny how when Obama is able to have time to let people get to know him the 20 point advantage Hillary has is wiped clean. Now you see Hillary and her supporters complain and whine about caucuses...her comment today about the 3 nurses was another of her devious tactics...hmmm all of Obamas supporters must have the day off.
You talk about media hype and inspiration like inspiration is a bad thing. Not one human can run this country, it's the people you inspire to do great things around you that makes a good leader and healer.

If you think the media has been harsh on the Clintons so far wait til the library of material from every right wing group in America opens up....no need to even have to do any research, there's 8+ years of fodder for them. Battle tested and battle lost for Hillary. Don't fool yourself into thinking she can win. This is only my opinion but I'm a lifelong Dem who doesnt dislike all that the Clintons are, I just dont like her. If I'm the only one here saying this, then good, because I hear it ALL the time. I'm just trying to express a view that is substantiated in my life. You choose who you want to choose but rest assured I and many others will not cast our votes for another Clinton.

I am a teacher in the great State of Missouri and card carrying Democrat. I am writing to discuss the Clinton/Obama divide in delegates. The word here in Missouri seems to be that we, the people of the United States, that make up the Democratic Party, want BOTH Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama as our representatives to the world. What better way to enforce the change we promise as a party than to represent ALL people. I believe that the current divide might actually hinder the party at the National Convention if Clinton and Obama can't find a compromise and realize that they are both smart, interesting, and captivating individuals. Their weaknesses and strengths compliment each other and would make for a powerful punch to the US and other countries. I beg you; please try to get them to run together. As the saying goes, "United we stand, divided we fall." Thank you all for your time and effort.

Sincerely,

Joseph Hosea
Florissant, MO

To further clarify, I don't think that Clinton would stand for VP under Obama because of her drive to become President and her experience, which he lacks, but I believe that Obama could and should accept a VP nod at the end of this to reinforce our goal to win the overall election.

I find it ridiculous that those of us in the party are fighting to "win" the primaries and we've turned it into the election! Don't forget we will still have to face the Republicans and any Independents that run this time. We should be working together to create a team that can out beat anyone! Think, women, blacks, hispanics, gays, white men, different religions, other ethnicities, its all wrapped up in the two of them running together!

My last comment didn't seem to go through so...

To further clarify, whether we like Clinton or Obama, we are acting ridiculous as a party. We need to quit the arguing and remember that we have bigger fish to fry come Novemeber with the Republicans and which ever Independents end up running. We are much stronger if the two of them can run together. I don't think that Clinton would run as VP under Obama because of her painstaking hard work over 30+ years and all of her experience, but Obama could run as VP, they could stay in Office 8 years and then he could run as President and stay in office another 8! They compliment each other and it is sad that it is the members of this party that are tearing them appart. What he lacks in experience she has, what she lacks in leadership and gusto he has. Its a win-win situation. We should focus more on the two of them running together since they're so close, not the two of them fighting!

Can somebody please explain to me what the current delegate count really is???? I went to four different news stations and all four have different numbers!!!!

how willthe party deal with Obama's "skeletons" such as those found in www.obamatruth.org?I think a lot more of these types of comments/"news" will come out or will be brought out by republicans. They have already thrown Hillary down n the 90's....i think they are out of ammunition there.

Also, check out the blogzine www.savagepolitics.com particularly "The Numbers Game" and "Red States' and 'Latino States".

t

Lets make sure that the Democratic Party will
arrange for caucuses in Florida and Michigan
so that both candidates will have equal access
to the ballots of these two states. The decision
should thus not favor either candidate, the one who did not campaign there and the one who did.

Let us make sure that the Democratic Party
calls for caucuses for Florida and Michigan
so the voters are counted fairly.

Let us make sure that the Democratic Party
calls for caucuses for Florida and Michigan
so the voters are counted fairly.