Impeach Chimpy and Shooter

In Saturday's Washington Post the paper examines, in two separate articles, instances in which John McCain seems to be either changing his position, contradicting himself, or distorting the truth on topics such as Iraq and his opposition to torture.

On torture:

Republican presidential front-runner John McCain bluntly called waterboarding "torture and illegal" Wednesday morning, again challenging the Bush administration's defense of a harsh interrogation tactic that makes prisoners think they are drowning.

But later the same day, McCain cast a vote against Democratic-sponsored legislation supported by anti-torture advocates that sought to ban waterboarding and other coercive tactics by the CIA.

The Senate vote put McCain (R-Ariz.) on the same side as President Bush, who plans to veto the waterboarding ban. It also was consistent, his spokesman said, with statements McCain has made on the subject since 2005.

Keep reading

On Iraq and Rumsfeld:

As he gets closer to the Republican nomination, Sen. John McCain has been trying to balance his unqualified support for the Iraq war by reminding audiences that he was also a tough critic of how it was managed until President Bush finally changed strategies a year ago. In recent weeks, McCain has gone so far as to tell audiences that he was "the only one" who called for Donald H. Rumsfeld's resignation as defense secretary.

The trick is that he never did, at least not publicly. The senator from Arizona was a tough critic of Rumsfeld and more than once said that he had no confidence in the Pentagon chief in the two years before Bush finally dumped Rumsfeld in November 2006. But even as he was criticizing Rumsfeld, McCain typically stopped short of calling for the Pentagon chief to step down.

While campaigning in Fort Myers, Fla., on Jan. 26, he told a crowd: "In the conflict that we're in, I'm the only one that said we have to abandon the Rumsfeld strategy -- and Rumsfeld -- and adopt a new strategy." Four days later during a debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., aired on CNN, McCain said, "I'm the only one that said that Rumsfeld had to go."

A McCain spokesman acknowledged this week that that was not correct. "He did not call for his resignation," said the campaign's Brian Rogers. "He always said that's the president's prerogative." Asked specifically about the senator's statements in Florida and California, Rogers said, "I think he's really just pointing out that he's the only one who really called out the Rumsfeld strategy, and that is certainly true again and again."

Keep reading

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/16/mccain-cant-keep-stories_n_86984.html\

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McCain is a lying sack of crap just like Chimpy.

McCain = Bush

The violence in Iraq continues. The surge has failed.

Sunday, February 17, 2008
Bombings in Baghdad, Mosul Kill 6;
Hilla Awakening Council Joins Strike

Two bombings shook Iraq Sunday morning. In the Misbah commercial center in the upscale Shiite Karrada district, a female suicide bomber detonated a belt bomb, killing 3 persons and wounding 10.

Meanwhile, in Mosul a car bomb killed 3. Mosul is the site of a major push against foreign fighters styled 'al-Qaeda' (really mainly Salafi Jihadis).

The Strain of Limbo on the Conservative Class Hotlist
by SusanG
Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 07:09:15 AM PST

The Pouter-in-Chief went petulant last Saturday morning about the tremendous hardships suffered by his proposed nominees and their families as they wait for Senate approval:

WASHINGTON—President Bush vented frustration anew Saturday over the Senate's failure to vote on more than 180 of his nominations, including more than two dozen to the federal bench.

"Some have been waiting for more than a year," said Bush, who invited many of the nominees to the White House for an event on Thursday. "As a result, careers have been put on hold, families have been placed in limbo and our government has been deprived of the service of these fine nominees."

Ah, yes. The acute mental strain endured by the conservative professional class as members grow impatient that their promised sinecures may not, after all, come through before Bush’s term ends.

Makes you want to go out and whip up a telethon for the poor victims, doesn’t it?

Meanwhile, back in brutal reality:

The poll also shows that a fifth of veterans have been impacted by stop-loss regulations or extensions beyond their promised deployment, which is one year for the Army and seven months for the Marine Corps.
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WASHINGTON -- Army soldiers committed suicide last year [2006] at the highest rate in 26 years, and more than a quarter did so while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new military report.

...Failed personal relationships, legal and financial problems and the stress of their jobs were factors motivating the soldiers to commit suicide, according to the report.

"In addition, there was a significant relationship between suicide attempts and number of days deployed" in Iraq, Afghanistan or nearby countries where troops are participating in the war effort, it said. The same pattern seemed to hold true for those who not only attempted, but succeeded in killing themselves.

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The Army’s first study of the mental health of troops who fought in Iraq found that about one in eight reported symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
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Stinking rotten Chimp Bush and the rotten GOP

McCain = Bush

TRUE PATRIOTS

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In modern times the first to speak out for prison reform, for humane treatment of the mentally ill, for abolition of capital punishment, for women's right to vote, for death with dignity for the terminally ill, and for the right to choose contraception, sterilization and abortion have been freethinkers, just as they were the first to call for an end to slavery.

The Foundation works as an umbrella for those who are free from religion and are committed to the cherished principle of separation of state and church.

What is the Foundation's purpose?
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Why is the Foundation concerned with state/church entanglement?
First Amendment violations are accelerating. The religious right is campaigning to raid the public till and advance religion at taxpayer expense, attacking our secular public schools, the rights of nonbelievers, and the Establishment Clause.

The Foundation recognizes that the United States was first among nations to adopt a secular Constitution. The founders who wrote the U.S. Constitution wanted citizens to be free to support the church of their choice, or no religion at all. Our Constitution was very purposefully written to be a godless document, whose only references to religion are exclusionary.

It is vital to buttress the Jeffersonian "wall of separation between church and state" which has served our nation so well.

http://ffrf.org/purposes/

Bush proposes hiking Medicare drug premiums
By Jeffrey Young
Posted: 02/15/08 04:10 PM [ET]
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The Bush administration will submit a bill to Congress Friday outlining a plan to raise Medicare premiums for higher-income beneficiaries enrolled in the Medicare prescription drug benefit, a change that would reduce taxpayer spending on the program by $3.2 billion over five years.

The administration’s actions set in motion a series of events that could lead to a full-fledged debate about the future of Medicare this summer, just months before the presidential and congressional elections.

The Bush plan would reduce subsidies for single people with incomes greater than $82,000 and married couples with incomes greater than $164,000.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/bush-proposes-hiking-medicare-drug-premiums-2008-02-15.html

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How about ending this stupid Iraq occupation?

Damn GOP Chimps.

McCain = Bush

The Foundation recognizes that the United States was first among nations to adopt a secular Constitution. The founders who wrote the U.S. Constitution wanted citizens to be free to support the church of their choice, or no religion at all.
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GOTV,

Darn right. These GOP Chimps keep trying to blur the differences. They act just like the Taliban.

GOP has nothing left but phony "religion issues" and even more phony "family values" issues. These people are fascists through and through.

Bush is such an SOB.

President Bush on Sunday said Congress should renew his global AIDS program and preserve a requirement that steers money into abstinence efforts.

"We don't want people guessing on the continent of Africa whether the generosity of the American people will continue," Bush said in Tanzania, the second stop of his African trip.

Congress strongly backs the program, which is credited with getting medicine and preventive treatment to millions of people - most of them in sub-Saharan Africa. Yet its renewal has gotten hung up over ideology and political debate about disease prevention.

Bush: Keep Abstinence in AIDS Program

It's the largest deal under a Bush program that offers economic aid to countries that treat their people fairly, rule justly and root out corruption.

"I'll just put it bluntly, America doesn't want to spend money on people who steal the money from the people," Bush said. "We like dealing with honest people, and compassionate people. We want our money to go to help human condition and to lift human lives as well as fighting corruption in marketplace economies."

At the news conference, both leaders dodged a question about the presidential race in the United States and the candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., whose father was Kenyan.

Bush, momentarily taken aback by a question about the excitement surrounding Obama's candidacy, said: "Seems like there was a lot of excitement for me."

The Calculus of Torture
By Paul Kiel - February 15, 2008, 2:06PM

Yesterday, Steven Bradbury, the Justice Department official who heads up the Office of Legal Counsel, testified before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties. We posted video of him explaining how the waterboarding practiced by the CIA was miles away from that practiced by the Spanish Inquisition -- it was a much more careful and controlled practice (there's no jumping on the victim's stomach or vomiting of blood).

But that wasn't even the most crucial part of his testimony. Bradbury writes the legal opinions that tell the administration how far they can go. And when he (and earlier John Yoo) advised the administration that it was legal to waterboard prisoners, they had their reasons.

With regard to waterboarding, Bradbury explained with chilling sangfroid his legal reasoning. We've provided a full transcription of his answers below. It's the most detailed description of the Justice Department's analysis with regard to a particular interrogation technique ever given.

If you read on, you'll learn that "something can be quite distressing or uncomfortable, even frightening, but if it doesn't involve severe physical pain and it doesn't last very long, it may not constitute severe physical suffering." And you'll also learn that while the victim from waterboarding might panic from the sensation of drowning, the real question is whether "those factors cause prolonged mental harm." Bradbury concluded that waterboarding does not.

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 drastically changed the equation, Bradbury testified, and the Department hasn't yet made an analysis of whether waterboarding is legal under its requirements. So for now it's off the table.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/the_calculus_of_torture.php

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So, now that McKook is in the Bush torture camp, another myth about the "maverick" has been exposed. McCain is nothing but a vulgar political opportunist. Just like Chimpy Bush.

McCain = Bush

Bush is such an SOB.
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Good morning JE.

Chimpy and Shooter should be impeached.

I read yesterday where bush is passing out hundreds of millions of dollars to 5 or 6 African countries to build roads and schools. Then the SOB threatens Congress that they had better pass his programs. He even had the heads of state of these countries bad-mouthing Congress. Why is bush such a prick?

What is wrong with Americans that he doesn't do the same for us. Selfish bastard. He is no doubt giving money to Africa to make his legacy look good. Maybe we should secede from the union and then apply for foreign aid.

Stinking rotten Chimp Bush and the rotten GOP

McCain = Bush

Posted by rjsnj on February 17, 2008 at 07:41 AM

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Thanks rjsnj

I think but I'm not sure, more Vietnam Veterans commited suicide after the war than were killed in combat.
There was a movement a few years back trying to get there names on the Memorial in DC.

Of course it went nowhere because the so-called no it alls didn't want people to know that!

The president, who started his remarks at a news conference with a folksy "Howdy" in Swahili, signed a nearly $700 million aid pact with Kikwete to help Tanzania build up its infrastructure.

HOW ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ASSHOLE.

It's the largest deal under a Bush program that offers economic aid to countries that treat their people fairly, rule justly and root out corruption.

"I'll just put it bluntly, America doesn't want to spend money on people who steal the money from the people," Bush said. "We like dealing with honest people, and compassionate people. We want our money to go to help human condition and to lift human lives as well as fighting corruption in marketplace economies."

BULLSHIT! HOW ABOUT NEW ORLEANS AND HOW ABOUT THE UTTER CORRUPTION OF THE NECONS AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.

FU BURDTURD, ESAD

Morning rj and GoTv,

I just had to get that off my chest. The chimpenfuhrer is running around Africa trying to elicit praise and badmouthing Congress. He IS a total loser like his father and raygun.

The reporters that are with the fuhrer in Africa were probably hand picked. All they seem to do is praise the asshole and pass on his comments about Congress.
They report that people wore shirts with his picture and they are probably throwing rose petals in his path like the Germans did for Hitler. To the press, our glorious leader is sacred.

They did mention at the very bottom of one article that there were demonstrations by muslims carrying placards telling the asshole to go home but they aren't about to show these pictures.

I wonder if the fuhrer is having rice while he is on his trip.

BUSH = DEGENERATE

Evolution gone awry.

Good morning, everyone.

Woo-hoo! Daytona 500 this afternoon!

Too bad FL has had it's Primary Election, I love it when the candidates pimp out that event.

Just for s & g, maybe one of them (either side) will show up for the green flag ceremony.

good morning. i see we have a heavy infestation this morning.

Morning gregg and Essie,

Call the exterminators so they can sprinkle the NoTroll Pest Eliminator.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:8

One for the trolls, who can't smell over the internet. snicker

"Self-esteem and self-contempt have specific odors; they can be smelled."

Time to walk, power walk. It's a Bella day here.

Enjoy your day, everyone.

Morning Dems,

This is the kind of info that the public will not digest. They will see that Bush has called back some troops and think it is GOOD, but they will not understand MORE are going in.

It is up to us to make sure this info gets spread. Make sure the numbers of our troops in this illegal occupation, is out their between now and November !!!

More US Troops Seen in Iraq by Summer

Reuters

Washington - The United States will probably have more troops in Iraq this summer than it did before pouring in forces last year - even after a planned drawdown, a U.S. general said on Friday.

There were some 132,000 U.S. troops in Iraq before President George W. Bush ordered a surge of about 30,000 more to curb rampant violence that threatened to plunge the country into all-out civil war.

By summer, U.S. commanders plan to have withdrawn more than 20,000 combat troops deployed as part of the surge. But officials indicated some support units sent around the same time would remain or be replaced.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021608A.shtml

More than 80 people have been killed and as many wounded in the explosion in Kandahar

bush said something to the effect that NATO had better get with it or THEY are going to lose the war. Say what?

The chimpenfuhrer is running around Africa trying to elicit praise and badmouthing Congress. He IS a total loser like his father and raygun.

Posted by Johne on February 17, 2008 at 08:13 AM
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JE, he's way worst. This one is actually a fascist.

BUSH = DEGENERATE

Evolution gone awry.

Posted by Johne on February 17, 2008 at 08:24 AM
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JE, that's why I call him The Chimp. He's an example of deevolution. That's the logical conclusion of GOP politics.

Breaking- Dallas Morning News prints Phil Giraldi's Sibel Edmonds commentary Hotlist
by waterdancer [Subscribe]
Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 01:13:35 AM PST

Just came across this eight minute old story via Google news, so it's literally hot off the press. The Dallas Morning news has broken the "gag orders" on the Sibel Edmonds story- a first for a major US publication (unless one counts the Yuma Arizona Sun and the Northeast Mississippi papers among the majors).

Things could really get interesting, now. See below for exerpts of the article the Dallas AM news chose to break this one to a major US audience...

Most Americans have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, and if the U.S. government has its way, they never will.

The former FBI translator turned whistle-blower tells a chilling story of corruption at Washington's highest levels – sale of nuclear secrets, shielding of terrorist suspects, illegal arms transfers, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, espionage. She may be a first-rate fabulist, but Ms. Edmonds' account is full of dates, places and names. And if she is to be believed, a treasonous plot to embed moles in American military and nuclear installations and pass sensitive intelligence to Israeli, Pakistani and Turkish sources was facilitated by figures in the upper echelons of the State and Defense Departments.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/17/35834/7515/244/458425

The chimpenfuhrer is running around Africa trying to elicit praise and badmouthing Congress. He IS a total loser like his father and raygun.

Hi JohnE

did you notice from the paper's account, he is AVOIDING any of the hot spot areas. Places that are in turmoil there. Little yellow coward that he is. Too bad his Mother didn't practice a little abstinence.......this spawn would not have been created!

''I wanted him to know my son's name'' Hotlist
by Nuisance Industry [Subscribe]
Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 05:03:44 PM PST

'...for when he's commander in chief." -- Tracy Jopek, speaking about her son Ryan David Jopek.

I'll explain the quote in the diary below. It has to do with one big reason why this election is about a lot more than cable bloviators' snide comments, campaign consultants' spin, ads about who will and won't debate, or diary flame wars.

One big reason why we need to move forward. And how we might.

* Nuisance Industry's diary :: ::
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Why did Tracy Jopek brave the winter weather of Green Bay in February?

Barack Obama is wearing a wristband in memory of a soldier killed in Iraq, given to him by a mother who said she wants the Democratic presidential candidate to keep others from dying.

Tracy Jopek of Merrill, Wis., gave Obama the bracelet at a rally Friday night in Green Bay, and Obama was still wearing it Saturday as he campaigned across the state before Tuesday's primary.

The bracelet has her son's name, Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, and the date the 20-year-old was killed in Iraq by a roadside bomb, Aug. 2, 2006. "All gave some -- He gave all," it says.

Mrs. Jopek took her daughter to Obama's rally in Green Bay, where the two briefly met the presidential candidate. She spoke of her son, and gave Obama the bracelet.

"I wanted him to know my son's name for one thing, for when he's commander in chief," Mrs. Jopek said during a telephone interview in which she frequently grew emotional. She said she was somewhat uncomfortable getting so publicly involved in the war debate, but felt the issue was too important for her to remain silent during this campaign.

She said she's a Democrat who will vote for Obama in Wisconsin's primary Tuesday. Like Obama, she said she was against the war from the start and had a hard time watching her son go to war.

"My son loved this country very much, I love this country, but I don't feel that staying in Iraq will vindicate my son's death," she said. "And it's not over for us until this war is over. I just don't want any more soldiers to die in vain for something that we can't solve."

Why does Tracy Jopek hope that Barack Obama can prevent more sons and daughters from dying in Iraq? It might have to do with the fact that he is the only major party candidate for president who forcefully argued against the war before it was authorized.

Maybe that was why Tracy Jopek wanted to give Barack Obama her son's bracelet.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/16/183736/020/440/458237
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Obama 08

Yes We Can

Bush hates being irrelevant
by Chris in Paris · 2/17/2008 08:10:00 AM ET · Link
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Put aside his false statements (OK, lies) that the abstinence programs work and put aside his strange comment about not wanting to give money to people who steal from the people (cough, Iraq, cough Halliburton, cough) and you still have an amazing quote from Bush. He has to be the center of attention and it must be driving him mad that he's become a complete has-been and is irrelevant.

At the news conference, both leaders dodged a question about the presidential race in the United States and the candidacy of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., whose father was Kenyan.

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Yeah Chimpy, there was alot of excitement to get rid of you.

Chimp Chimp Chimpy

McCain = Bush

MOSCOW, February 17 - RIA Novosti. The Ministry of Defence Russia has expressed concern about the intentions of the United States to destroy the American emergency reconnaissance satellite.

"In our view, the decision to destroy American satellites did not look so harmless, as we are trying to provide. Especially at a time when the United States is shying away from long negotiations on the prohibition of (limiting) arms race in outer space" - said on Saturday in the Office Information and public relations of the Defense Ministry."

The Russians think bush is using this excuse to test raygun's star wars "Weapons in Space" program.

We apparently have an agreement with Russia and China (probably signed during the Clinton administration) to have no weapons in space and they think bush is breaking the deal. So what else is new? It's probably chinny at the helm.

The decision to destroy the satellite appears not harmless - Defense Ministry

Johne at 08:13

The chimpenfuhrer is running around Africa trying to elicit praise and badmouthing Congress. He IS a total loser like his father and raygun

Both his father and Reagan were bad, but he's in a whole nother category of bad.

He's a freakin' criminal, and the congressional dems are abdicating their responsibility under the constitution by not impeaching his (and Cheney's) ass

Washington - The United States will probably have more troops in Iraq this summer than it did before pouring in forces last year - even after a planned drawdown, a U.S. general said on Friday.
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The surge has failed!

All we have left is lies from General Betrayus.
Chimpy Bush and Shooter Cheney
And McKook

McCain = Bush in every single way.

Huckabee: ‘Running For Office Is Sort Of Like Being Waterboarded’
By: Nicole Belle @ 6:50 PM - PST

Think Progress: (h/t MBH)

This morning, CNN ran a story “tracking the strain furious campaigning puts on the human body” for the presidential candidates. During the segment, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee joked that his campaign schedule is not providing enough time to sleep and that, for him, is “like being waterboarded”:

HUCKABEE: I’m finding just out how long I can go sleep deprived. You know, running for office is sort of like being waterboarded, I think.

Really? That’s what we’ve become, when a person seeking to be the leader of this country can joke about an illegal torture method? What is wrong with these people?
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Huckleberry, McKook ... both totally nuts.

McCain = Bush

Posted by PamB on February 17, 2008 at 08:48 AM

Didn't Carter march right into the Sudan to talk with the leaders awhile back? He could have been blown away at any moment. That took courage. What a brave man. He didn't have 300 secret service around him either.

Blast from the Past: TDS: Cheney’s Got a Gun
By: John Amato @ 10:55 AM - PST

In honor of the day that Dick Cheney shot someone in the face, and of course was let go—I pulled this clip from my incredible archives. (originally post here,)

Jon Stewart was having a very boring weekend and he was really, really sad. Nothing had been getting his blood boiling lately and he just wasn’t excited to be alive anymore-Until–Dick Cheney shot a man in the face. How quick life can turn on a dime.

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Stewart was on fire tonight:

“Sewart: Whittington was mistaken for a bird.” “Harry Whittington, seasoned to an inch of his life.”

“Don’t let your kids go hunting with the Vice President. I don’t care what kind of lucrative contracts they’re trying to land or-energy regulations they’re trying to get lifted. He’ll shoot them in the face.”

Rob Corddry joined in.

Corddry : “Jon, tonight the Vice President is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Whittington. Now according to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time-there-were-quail in the brush. And while the quail turned out to be the 78 year old man. Even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists-he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face.

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Impeach The Shooter Cheney

I want to make sure this committee understands that this rule on super delegates will back fire on this party.

When our country was founded, it was founded on the expression "by the people for the people", stealing an election from the canidate that the PEOPLE have selected using these superdelegate will surely cause many of democrats to either not vote or jump ship and vote the Mr. McCain.

I have been a registered democrate for 35 years, do not tranish the party with a stupid rule as this.

Nick Kristof, who is usually fairly rational, has a disgusting puff piece on McCain in today's NYT (click my name).

The media just keep cutting this awful creep slack!

John McCain and ‘My Friends’
By: John Amato @ 5:45 PM - PST

Let’s start a word counter for the many times John McCain says: “My friends” in his speeches. He seems like he uses it after every sentence and it’s as phony as a three dollar bill. Is Limbaugh or Ingraham his “friends? In one of the most uninspiring speeches I’ve ever watched—I think I heard some weird chanting going on in the crowd of McCain’s supporters too. Wow, almost cult-like. And what’s with that glassy look in his eyes? Jack Kemp wrote a piece that appeared on Townhall—begging Conservative talkies to get off McCrazy’s back.

You gave him your best shots and he took it like a man. Now, as he heads toward the nomination, I urge you to continue to be critical, but to do so in measured ways that will not damage his ability to win in November against those who would weaken our nation’s defense, wave a white flag to al-Qaida, socialize our health-care system, and promote income redistribution and class warfare instead of economic growth and equality of opportunity.

It’s Kemp that’s waving the white flag to the Hannity’s…
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Everytime you hear McKook say "My Friends" you know he is about to lie big time.

McCain = Bush

rj,

btw.

You should go to CafePress and recommend they make a bumper sticker that says that!

McCain = Bush Again!

Nothing like a little Reality !

McCain = Bush Again!

Nothing like a little Reality !

Posted by PamB on February 17, 2008 at 09:02 AM
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Hi PamB,

Okay I recommended it.

What don't people get? McCain is changing his so-called "maverick views" to match that of Bush.

There is no difference.

McCain = Bush

What a brave man. He didn't have 300 secret service around him either.

Posted by Johne on February 17, 2008 at 08:58 AM
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JE, Bush is a punk. He doesn't measure up to any prior president. The worst ever ... Chimpy Bush and McCain will be just as bad.

McCain = Bush

why aren't these god fearing, anti evolution trolls in church this morning praying for us heathens??

Watching Freedom’s Watch
By: Nicole Belle @ 4:01 PM - PST

You may not know the name, but you certainly know the faces behind the 501c4 group, Freedom’s Watch:

Freedom’s Watch has been described by critics as a front group for White House policy and a “neo-conservative ’slush fund’ supporting the views of Vice President Dick Cheney“,[4][5] “came out of” a December 2006 “event”[6] at the American Enterprise Institute when retired Gen. Jack Keane and AEI scholar Frederick W. Kagan “talk[ed] about the need for a troop increase in Iraq, “a plan adopted by” President George W. Bush in January 2007.[7]

And members of Freedom’s Watch are among the more frequently invited talking heads on all the news shows, Ari Fleischer, Dan Senor, etc., eager to push their version of reality and neo-con agenda on to the rest of us.

Good news is that we have now Freedom’sWatch Newsladder to watch these war and Bush/Cheney cheerleaders:

Thank you for visiting this site and learning more about Freedom’s Watch - a 501c4 run by Republican leadership and consultants that intends to make a major impact on the 2008 Elections; from the Presidential Campaign to State and House races. [..]

We believe that America is indeed the land of free speech, but it is very important that you know who you are speaking to; Freedom’s Watch is nothing more than a Republican, neo-conservative front group with a strict Republican, neo-conservative agenda, nothing more, nothing less.

You can join the Freedom’s Watch Newsladder and keep all of us informed on their propaganda pushes.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/15/watching-freedoms-watch/

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Neoconservative trash. What do these trash even mean when they throw around the word "freedom"? It's just a buzz word to them. Bunch of fascists.

Posted by druBcM*rD on February 17, 2008 at 08:57 AM

You are a stalker you freak,you should be in jail!!

Sunday Morning Bobblehead Thread
By: Nicole Belle @ 5:10 AM - PST

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/17/sunday-morning-bobblehead-thread-6/
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Good video in there.

Good morning, all

The Capital Gang is going to be on Meet the Press this morning after the next commercial break. I haven't seen that snake Novak is years.

US retailers get around to safety standards
by Chris in Paris · 2/16/2008 04:42:00 AM ET · Link
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Woo hoo. Aren't they speedy in their reaction to a serious health problem? It's not as though dangerous toys are relevant for Toys R Us or anything. Yes, once again industry shows just how well it can self-regulate. Maybe a few consumers will get lost in the shuffle but is the well-being of children really that important when we're talking about making millions and billions of dollars? Isn't corporate profit more important? They have shareholders you know and those shareholders want profit, or else.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080215/ap_on_bi_ge/toy_safety_retailers;_ylt=Air5ZoWq24vugSmX0Aplqzas0NUE

McClatchy reports political violence for Saturday:

' Baghdad

- Police found two bodies throughout Baghdad, one in Waziriyah and one in Jisr Diyala in northeast Baghdad.

Diyala

- Around 11 a.m. A gunman killed an Iraqi army soldier in Al Mafraq area west Baquba.

- A booby trapped house exploded as the owner of the house and his son entered their house in Al Salam town north of Baquba. The two men were killed.

- A roadside bomb targeted an Iraqi police vehicle near the Abu Saida intersection (about 20 kilometers east of Baquba) killing two police officers.

- A roadside bomb targeted an Iraqi army convoy near Imam Wais area (about 50 kilometers east of Baquba) killing one soldier and injuring another.

Kirkuk

- A parked car bomb exploded in Kirkuk injuring two police men today. The car exploded as police approached the parked car after receiving reports of a car bomb in the area.

- A roadside bomb targeted police vehicle in downtown Kirkuk injuring two police officers.

Al Anbar

- Police found five dead bodies on the outskirts of Ramadi city.'

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The surge is a lie!

Bush/Cheney lie!

McCain is another liar!

McCain = Bush

Posted by rjsnj on February 17, 2008 at 08:47 AM

It's about time this story went MSM.

Posted by Zuni_Sun on February 17, 2008 at 09:23 AM
That is something reserved for your fellow kkk members.

It's about time this story went MSM.

Posted by SandyH on February 17, 2008 at 09:23 AM
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Hi Sandy, I agree. It's been getting coverage in the UK but ignored here. If even some of what Siebel Edmonds says can be proven this is most treasonous events ever. Bush/Cheney will definitely go down because of this.

WASHINGTON — Temper, temper. Republican John McCain is known for his. He's been dubbed "Senator Hothead" by more than one publication, but he's also had some success extracting his hatchet from several foreheads.

Even his Republican Senate colleagues are not spared his sharp tongue.

"F--- you," he shouted at Texas Sen. John Cornyn last year.

"Only an a------ would put together a budget like this," he told the former Budget Committee chairman, Sen. Pete Domenici, in 1999.

"I'm calling you a f------ jerk!" he once retorted to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley.

With Cornyn, he smoothed things over quickly. The two argued during a meeting on immigration legislation; Cornyn complained that McCain seemed to parachute in during the final stages of negotiations. "F--- you. I know more about this than anyone else in the room," McCain reportedly shouted.

Cornyn chuckled at the memory of what he called McCain's "aggressive expressions of differences." The Texan has endorsed McCain.

"He almost immediately apologized to me," Cornyn said last week. "I accepted his apology, and as far as I'm concerned, we've moved on down the road."

The political landscape in Arizona, McCain's home state, is littered with those who have incurred his wrath. Former Gov. Jane Hull pretended to hold a telephone receiver away from her ear to demonstrate a typical outburst from McCain in a 1999 interview with The New York Times.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/16/mccains-sharp-tongue-an_n_87012.html

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McKook!

Later ...

Posted by Zuni_Sun on February 17, 2008 at 09:29 AM

He is whats known as a "dixie democrat" dosn't share the views of most dems.What is your excuse?

McCain will be just as bad.

Except that McCain's walker will be in the way, and the Secret Service will have to make sure they make room for that ! The old fart will not be too much longer on those old legs. :)

Remember his jaunt thru the Baghdad market that he said was a piece of cake, yet he was surrounded by military with guns, helicopters overhead, etc. Liar, just like Bush.

It still boggles my mind, WHY a man who has been in war, who allowed himself to get caught, who spent 5 years as a prisoner, would still Cheer on War. Wouldn't you think this would be a man who would say Only as a last resort? Would attempt to negotiate and compromise FIRST? I can only chalk it up to his senility.

bbl too, Dems.

Posted by Zuni_Sun on February 17, 2008 at 09:47 AM

I woild not throw that bigot word around you hohmphobic racist nazi! Why arew you not in church you hypocrit.

Posted by Zuni_Sun on February 17, 2008 at 09:55 AM

You don't know me at all either,you just post here to make trouble.You don't want to debate the issues in a civil mannor, you must resort to hatefull name calling and insults,so when you get that in return don't be suprised.What do you get out of it?

Posted by Zuni_Sun on February 17, 2008 at 10:11 AM

I see it's narcissism,maybe a little mental illness.Why anyone would get laughs from angering other people? only a doctor could answer.

Posted by Zuni_Sun on February 17, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Then it's your obsession with Pam, you really need some help man.

The states that chose to move their primaries made their decision knowing they would be stripped of their delegates. The DNC mad this decision and many of the candidates planned their campaigns accordingly. Just because Hillary may lose the nomination to Obama is no reason to try to go back and undo this. Doing so will definitely split the party and usher in another Republican win, and we can't take another 8 years of a republican president. The rules were set and need to be followed. Anything else smacks backroom politics and gives the appearance that the Democratic are no different than the Republicans.

Stick to the rules!!!!

posted by rjsnj on 17 Feb 08 at 0741 hrs
"We're foot slog-slog-slogging over Africa
Foot-foot-foot slogging over Africa
Boots-boots-boots movin' up and down again!
There's no discharge in the war!
.....
Try-try-try to think o' something different
Oh-my-God-keep-me from going lunatic
(Boots-boots-boots) movin' up and down again!
There's no discharge in the war!

Rudyard Kipling wrote that poem and a lot of others over a hundred years ago. If you can find a copy of "Barrack Room Ballads" read some of the poems. For a 21st century war, Kipling had a lot of it nailed back in the 19th century.
Those who refuse to learn from history are forcing a lot of the rest of us to not only re-live it, but die from it.
END THE WAR, IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY, INDICT RUMSFELD, NOW!!!!!!

Hillary Clinton is preparing to take her nomination fight all the way through June and to the Democratic convention in Denver, she told reporters in Wisconsin Saturday.

"I campaigned with my husband until he wrapped up this nomination in June [of 1992]," she said at a press conference here. "I thought it was fun. I had a good time. I am prepared to go the distance."

hey peaceman, did you watch Schummer (supports Clinton) and Durdin (supports Obama) on MTP this morning? Each side is highly aware of not only our FL and MI dilema, but also the super delegate choosing the candidate potential. they both said that the two candidates will have to get together and make decisions for the good of the party and the country . Leave it to the Dems to F*** up another election, huh?

ps, you shouldn't spend too much time on these little men who have no lives outside of coming in harassing, attacking, stalking Dems. They will all be gone tomorrow or tuesday morning, like they were never ever here.

Good morning, rj.

I think spring is about to be sprung here in the Mississippi Valley.

I woke up to the cooing of our summer boarders, a pair of grey doves, who just arrived from wherever they go each winter. It's been raining for weeks now (sometimes turning to snow) but it's been wet and windy.

And I saw my first practice session by a youth softball team the other day...down the field from the women's soccer practice.

So it's time to get this primary season out of the way, so we can enjoy outdoor sports again and quit hearing all the pundits forecasting gloom and doom for the party if this nomination fight goes to the convention.

I'll be happy to work for whoever "wins" the nomination. If anyone tries to manipulate delegates, then they are going to be working the phones with "paid" volunteers in November while the rest of us in Missouri work our state candidates door-to-door hard.

Any attempts to manipulate me will be met with equal and obvious actions by me to resist them.

For the good of the party and the nation, both candidates must put their personal political ambitions behind that of getting a super majority in Congress.

It's reality check time for those at the top echelons of the party.

Uno the dog is the nation’s idea of a real winner this year...uncomplicated and hopeful. Leave the Rottweiler breeding to the backroom Rove Republicans and their candidate of choice, war-monger McCain.

Exposing the hypocrites on the left and a few laughs. Its a win, win deal.

Posted by Zuni_Sun on February 17, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Maybe you should shake up your routine a little and go gambling with Bill Bennett for a few months. Having a few laughs with a hypocrite on the right might be nice change.

I've always wanted to know where the rush comes from in losing a million dollars and then plotting to make it up by stealing from the middle class.

Check up on that for us and report back...after November.

Don't even think of "cheating" at the tables like you Republicans do at the polls. They break peoples' legs for doing that in the real world.

hi there i'm very new to this blogging thing first time actually i have been a registered republican my whole adult life. but i feel very disenchanted with the whole picture and have for some time. for the second time in my life a glimmer of hope is on the horizon.the first time the candidate elected not to participate avoiding obligations generated in the dark back rooms of d.c. politics.a respectful choice made of integrity and conviction,unfortunatly we are paying the price for his choice.VERY SAD INDEED!!now we have a candidate thats got it obama yes obama.i watched walter on the news as a kid,vietnam was raging,60 minutes was new lbj was president then dick and gerald and oh that carter fellow i made choices based on what i seen and i can say that my choices of late were wrong but the lessor of two evils till GW i have great fears that issues in michigan florida and super delegates will erase all hope for our future this man has what it takes to clean up our own back yard and front yard and then take a break and finally look at what we can do for the world and maybe by then the world will forgive us for GW and our sins and give us a chance to be all we should be in a way we should do it.SO AS A REPUBLICAN SUPPORTING A DEMOCRATE A GOOD MAN MORE OVER DON'T YOU DEMS LET BACK DOOR DEALS SINK THIS COUNTRY FURTHER DOWN THAN IT IS WE TRULY HAVE A CHANCE TO SUCCEED AS A NATION AND A PEOPLE! SINCERLY TINKER

Bush proposes hiking Medicare drug premiums

...The administration’s actions set in motion a series of events that could lead to a full-fledged debate about the future of Medicare this summer, just months before the presidential and congressional elections.

Only if Pelosi rises to the bait. I think she's finally figured out all she has to do to shut down this White House and the Republican p.r. machine is just not to bring up any legislation for a vote. The "national debate" fizzles before it ever starts.

Americans don't care about Republican frustration. In the minds of voters, they are proven losers who complain about everything but have never had any intention of actually doing anything...except lining their own pockets and those who have contributed to them.

The only debate now is about how many of them we can get out of office this November. It's a throw the bums out election. Out with the old...in with the new.

marvin08, they think they can say anything and the people will buy into it. All Super delegates will and can vote for whoever they want to, regardless of how their states votes came in. I don't like it either, but those are the rules and it doesn't matter how their state voted it is entirely up to each super delegate. Mid-election, they are borrowing from the Repubs, using: say something enough times and most people believe it to be true and will blindly follow suit.

If they do not settle this Florida and Michigan delegates before March, we are screwed as a party. Waiting will cause a split. Now is the time to do something before more states vote. That is the only way the party will not split. If they wait, one side or the other will cry foul play and vote with the Republicans. Of course some will vote for either of our candidates, but many will not and without them we don't have a prayer, get ready for another Republican President.

I would like the democratic voters on here and on other sites to consider a class action lawsuit to end the process of super-delegates to be started against the Democratic party. I think a case can be made that the super-delegates degrade and are intended to dilute the weight of our votes to allow the party to determine who gets the nomination of the party. I really do not care whether Hillary or Obama gets the nomination, both will be great democratic leadeers. However, the fact that super-delegates can overrule the voters is against the concept of democracy.

Good Sunday morning,

This is where the present educator-in-chief really failed us. Chimpy tells people to go stand in a corner somewhere and cower while he does the secret dirty stuff: shut up and hand over your dough or else...what, you'll be kidnapped and tortured?

The next president will need some powerful educator skills to keep the issues out in the open sunlight and honest to pass significant legislation in this strangely unreasonable and superstitiously divided America.
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BILL MOYERS: It's not only the reality of our finances we are running from. In her new book published just this week, one of America's most prolific and provocative free thinkers says we are in a headlong flight from reason. The book is the age of American unreason- and it couldn't be more timely. Here's an excerpt:

"It remains to be seen, as the current presidential campaign unfolds, whether Americans are willing to consider what the flight from reason has cost us as a people and whether any candidate has the will or the courage to talk about ignorance as a political issue affecting everything from scientific research to decisions about war and peace."

THE AGE OF AMERICAN UNREASON offers an unsparing description of what Susan Jacoby calls "an overarching crisis of memory and knowledge".
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SUSAN JACOBY: Everything in my view that's being written about the failure of the Clinton healthcare program in relation to Hillary Clinton's candidacy is wrong. Yes, it's true. It's that failure is usually attributed to their failure to bring the insurance industry groups to the table, all of the interest groups in advance.

No. The reason that healthcare reform was dead on arrival was that the American people hadn't been educated and prepared for any kind of change. Bill Clinton just announced his plan which had been developed kind of secretly, without much public participation. The health insurance industry jumped in with its Harry and Louise commercials. Now I'll bet everybody who is listening to this tonight remembers Harry and Louise. And nobody remembers a detail of the Clinton plan, the healthcare plan. It is the job of the president to get his message out before Harry and Louise. Bill Clinton didn't do that.

www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02152008/transcript4.html

I just had a good laugh. I was listening to the Clear Channel radio station out of El Paso. This is the same station that has limpballs and hannity. The hourly fox news came on and at the end they said that their news is "fair and balanced".

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

I think I just got a hernia.

What, you want the FL and MI dem delegates to be a wedge issue to divide the popular surge of American voters to purge their government of corruption and lawlessness? Get out of here. Tell it to the Marines.

Good morning from the West Coast

I completely agree about the need for our President to be the Educator in Chief

I think that we have two good candidates that would do that.

NOW WE NEED TO UNITE

RNC IS RUNNING WILD WITH THE DIVIDE AND CONQUER THEME TO KEEP US FROM
FOCUSING ON THE PRIZE
THE PRIZE IS THE GENERAL ELECTION

AND I BELIEVE THE “FIX WENT IN” FOR SKEWING THE VOTES OVER THE LAST
7 YEARS

SO----I would like to see the DNC and the activist Dems on this site, (and everywhere of course),
shift their attention to making sure that your vote in the not only the upcoming primaries count, but
In THE GENERAL.

When you walk in that booth are you absolutely sure that your vote is being recorded CORRECTLY.
IE/THE WAY YOU VOTED? IF NOT, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GO TO WORK ON THAT

Otherwise, unless we have a landslide with Repubs obviously voting Democrate that OBVIOUSLY CAN’T BE DISPUTED, ---

I PROMISE YOU the count will be 48% Dem and 51%

Repub. And the PACKED
Attorney Generals and the PACKED courts with declare the Republicans a winner.

WE KNOW THIS AND IF WE DON’T ADDRESS IT NOW, WE CAN’T CRY IN NOVEMBER AND SAY WE DIDN'T EXPECT IT AND THEY TOOK US BY SURPRISE

LET'S NOT TAKE OUR EYE OFF THE PRIZE

marvin,

The people are getting the message of cleaning up the corruption and just need the Democratic contenders to keep the focus on the targets by exposing the secrecy and lies and lawbreaking, an eloquent educator could focus the tidal wave of change, even over the MSM lies and distortions.

Show your non-support of the MSM and its sponsors by buying and tuning into other products and letting them know it. It is an economic battle until the people reclaim their government from the corporate personhoods. Money is doing the most talking, and it just ain't right, but what else can you do?

Posted by PamB on February 17, 2008 at 11:05 AM

I'm trying to stay out of the debate with dems on the primays,it got pretty ugly last week with Dems attacking Dems. Some saying they will vote for Mcfake!The super delagate thing has been used before.No one complained then because it wasn't as close as this race.As far as the trolls, I try to ignore them but they just get under my skin sometimes. I'm very passionate about my politics and tend to get emotional sometimes.

McCain and the GOP have started their montra on earmarks, etc. We've heard it before. Here's a great article by Beertap called Earmarks and GOP Hypocrisy which shows us a history of this from 1981 until today and how it's all lies.

Posted by marvin08 on February 17, 2008 at 12:17 PM

I posted on this a couple of days ago that I also thought that something should be done by the DNC and the 2 states quickly and decivisely to plug this soft spot for dirty tricksters. I think every post about this here delights the anti-American fascist conservative neo-con rats, that otherwise see only scuddlement and a watery grave for their twisted ambitions in the next election.

I don't want it to be a wedge issue either. I do believe if this is not resolved while both candidates still have an almost equal chance at our nomination, it will become a wedge. When you read all of the posts from both sides you can plainly see that we are headed toward a major problem. The people of our nation want to be a part of selecting our nominee. We did not get a voice in when elections were held or whether a candidate got to campaign in a state or whether a candidates name was on a particular states ballot.

If the decision to seat or not to seat these delegates is made after all of our states vote, about half of our party will be angered. If they settle this now, before the rest of the states vote this can be avoided.

It really doesn't matter which candidate you prefer, both still have a shot at winning the nomination right now. If we wait to solve the problem of the delegates at the convention half of the party will not be satisfied with the outcome. I think that there could be enough loss of votes that we might not be able to win in the General election and that is unacceptable to me, especially when they could choose to resolve the problem NOW.

On The Age Of American Unreason.

I'm no Dem educator, but if I were I would say something dumb like this: "You all are getting dumber. The publicans want to keep to dumb and make your kids dumber. The Democratic leadership is completely different and is for promoting real education, for all people, and for investigating and educating and fixing the cause of why we all are getting short-changed on learning the truth."

Is that presenting and hearing both sides?
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BILL MOYERS: So what has happened that prompted this book?

SUSAN JACOBY: In a way it was an outgrowth of FREETHINKERS, a History of American Secularism. After FREETHINKERS was published I really welcomed the opportunity to go out and speak across the country. You know, to educate people about a secular tradition which has been kind of lost and downgraded and denigrated. And I soon found, very quickly, my audiences consisted almost entirely of people who already agreed with me. And conservatives report exactly the same experience.

BILL MOYERS: Yeah.

SUSAN JACOBY: Now, this was not always the case in our country. In the 19th century Robert Ingersoll, whom we've talked, who is known as the great agnostic, had audiences full of people who didn't agree with him. But they wanted to hear what he had to say. And they wanted to see whether the devil really has horns. And now what we have is a situation in which people go to hear people they already agree with. What's going on is not so much education as reinforcement of the opinions you already have.

BILL MOYERS: Yeah, why is it we're so unwilling to give, as you say, a hearing to contradictory viewpoints? Or to imagine that we might learn something from someone who disagrees with us?

SUSAN JACOBY: Well, I think part of it is part of a larger thing that is making our culture dumber. We have, really, over the past 40 years, gotten shorter and shorter and shorter attention spans. One of the most important studies I've found, and I've put in this chapter, they call it Infantainment-- on this book. It's by the Kaiser Family Foundation. And they've found that children under six spend two hours a day watching television and video on average. But only 39 minutes a day being read to by their parents.

www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02152008/transcript4.html

I'm trying to stay out of the debate with dems on the primays,it got pretty ugly last week with Dems attacking Dems. Some saying they will vote for Mcfake!

Those weren't really Democrats, peaceman. Little trolls playing games under different names. The REAL Democrats will be voting for the Democrat on the ballot in November.

ps, I think WAY too much media attention is being paid to the DNC problem of FL/MI and Super delegates. the Media LOVES to rile up these stories. There is not a Democratic leader nor candidate nor super delegate out there, that does not understand what is at stake here, and will negotiate both of these issues. Dems need to chill until these two issues are settled.

like Mother Teresa said, I am not anti war, I am PRO PEACE.

One question I do have is if the electoral delegates of MI and FL will not be counted will their superdelegates?

On The Age Of American Unreason.

Tom
I saw the interview

thanks for posting it
I already knew most of what she was sharing, but appreciate her being able to put it into a book.

The best way to control a group (in this case the underclass) is to keep them uneducated (while telling them the opposite), and if they manage to be able to get a higher education, make sure that their debt for getting that education be sooooo high, that they spend the next 20 years trying to pay it back so they can't pay attention to anything going on with the elite government.

Keep people uneducated, in debt, and innundate them with marketing that will make them want MORE STUFF.

Who could pay attention to what the gov. is doing or if uneducated , even begin to understand what is being done to them.

along with divide and conquer, it has been working great for several decades now

The recognizing it is the key

TOO BAD WE HAVE BEEN KEPT UNEDUCATED AND THOSE WHO NEED TO KNOW-----DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ OR DON'T HAVE TIME.

BOOKS are going the way of the dinasaur
IT IS THE PLAN

sooooo glad we have such good candidates

Barack Obama is a rude brazen opportunist.

For the longest time America knew of Hillary Clinton’s intention to run for President. As Democrats we were all united behind her looking forward to the day we would finally take back the White House. We were all ready to work hard TOGETHER to make history electing the first woman President. Then came the brazen opportunist Barack Obama, a man who is all ego and no substance, to disrespect and divide the very party that has worked so long and so hard to give him and people like him the opportunities he now enjoys. Barack Obama is the kind of narcissist who can’t walk past a mirror and not admire himself. A man whose brazen opportunism knows no limits. A man who doesn't know the definition of respect or community and who only thinks about one person, himself, when he makes a decision. Thanks to him the party is now divided and hundreds of millions of necessary dollars and valuable time has been wasted in a primary. Time and money that will be needed to win against the Republicans in the general election. After George Bush screwed things up so badly Barack Obama saw a window of opportunity and decided to take it. Where was he before that window opened? Regardless of wether he is the democratic candidate or not, he has seriously jeopardized our chances of winning the general election. The rest of us will be left with a barrel full of pipe dreams and four or even eight more years of John McCain.

Posted by PamB on February 17, 2008 at 01:03 PM

I grew up in the late 6os and early 70s I'm pro peace as well.

NOOOOOOO.

Posted by marvin08 on February 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Some part of this I just don't understand.

Alternative businesses just need some help from the entrenched industries' monopolies that, maybe unspectingly, have become known to be problematic to the world's survival. Innocently perhaps, businesses have been selected for that make stuff that tastes better or makes us go faster more cheaply, but we have found that this sometimes has hidden costs.

Now that science has discovered these hazards of industries, alternative businesses should get some help as a jumpstart to direct resources away from continuing down a dead end. Maybe some help to change over the jobs and infrastrucure to the newer direction.

Presently, the government is protecting these obviously destructive industries that could not make it now in a open economy, because these industries get to write the legislation and give sinecures to the politicians that they bribed to do so. Corrupt and the majority of people know it and want it changed.

Dean 2012!

upsetinnyc, clearly you are misinformed on which remaining Democratic candidate is the narcissist when you state:

...Then came the brazen opportunist Barack Obama, a man who is all ego and no substance, to disrespect and divide the very party that has worked so long and so hard to give him and people like him the opportunities he now enjoys. Barack Obama is the kind of narcissist who can’t walk past a mirror and not admire himself...

When the Democrats scored numerous victories in the house and senate races in 2006, Barack Obama supported the Democrats in those close races by showing up and campaigning with them on the ground while Hillary Clinton sat around and tried to build up her war chest for the presidential campaign. Bill Clinton lost the house and senate while he diddled with young interns on company time. The Clintons are only for themselves while Barack has proven with action that he is for building up this nation and the Democratic Party.

Hillary is correct about substance trumping rhetoric. Her record speaks for itself. She only has the experience of divisive egotistical narcissistic corrupt politics. That isn't experience I am willing to vote for.

Good morning/afternoon Dems!

Some people have mentioned that Hillary because Hillary missed the FISA vote they would not vote for her. Personally, I think that's a cop out and another Hillary-hater move. Anyone who actually cares about any candidate would look at the voting record over a period of time.

So, to make that easier for people, I'll give you some numbers:

110th Congress

Candidate Missed Votes Percentage of total votes
McCain 261 55.7
Obama 182 38.8
Clinton 127 27.7

So, no one is perfect, but McCain obviously doesn't care!

See for yourself

So, no one is perfect, but McCain obviously doesn't care!

See for yourself

Posted by margotb822 on February 17, 2008 at 01:31 PM
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Good post Margot. McCain stinks!

McCain = Bush

Posted by upsetinnyc on February 17, 2008 at 01:14 PM
You said:
"As Democrats we were all united behind her looking forward to the day we would finally take back the White House. "

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You have exposed yourself You need a better line!!! LOL

You are on the wrong site. We had a huge and TERRIFIC slat of candidates when we started and I for one not only backed Edwards, but also supported most of the others.

If you were really watching the posts on this site and interested, you would have recognized your lie, stated as if it is fact, before you spewed it.

I will be jumping over any future post from you

I'm trying to stay out of the debate with dems on the primays,it got pretty ugly last week with Dems attacking Dems. Some saying they will vote for Mcfake!
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Actually, that's fake Democrats saying that. Obama and Clinton are so close in policy and therefore so different from the foaming at the mouth lunatic McCain that no supporter of either candidate would ever say that.

But, highserenity? Isn't it Hillary's turn. She waited patiently in line while Bill abused their marriage, so she has earned the presidency and no (how did upsetinnyc say it?)

him and people like him

has a right to take cuts in Hillary's line.

Leave the Rottweiler breeding to the backroom Rove Republicans and their candidate of choice, war-monger McCain.

Posted by SandyH on February 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM
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Absolutely Sandy. It's time to put the GOP dogs into the pound. McCain sure is one old snarling dog. As bad as Bush in policy. Definitely no maverick.

McCain = Bush

druBcM*rD, you can dismiss someone as a troll if it makes you feal better, but if someone is truly looking for real change, Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul, or even Mike Gravel, bring more to the table than any of the remaining candidates.

For full disclosure, and so you won't just dismiss me as a troll, both my wife and I are delegates to the Legislative District Caucuses in Washington State for Barack Obama.

Others psoted on this above:

"We're a Nation of Dunces"
by Chris in Paris · 2/17/2008 12:11:00 PM ET · Link
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Today I gravitated towards Susan Jacoby stories both in the Times and the Post. Her new book "The Age of American Unreason" is about the anti-intellectual and anti-rational epidemics in America. Only last night we had a similar discussion with a Franco-American group over dinner. How do you move a country forward when that country is debating creationism versus evolution? We are not talking about a poor and uneducated country, but a wealthy and educated country. What still surprises me is that many of the uninterested and anti-intellectual people are educated. You don't have to be a pointy-headed intellectual to show interest in the world around us, do you?

Whether we like it (or know it) American money and influence around the world is substantial. Our decisions in Washington do have an impact yet so many care so little. It's "over there" so who cares? As a country we lack curiosity in the world around us as if it doesn't matter. USA is number 1 so who cares? How could anything possibly be any better than what we have? We tell ourselves that we are the best at everything, so it must be true. There's no country that is perfect and you find insular people everywhere but those other countries fail to have the same global influence as America. How can we be so proudly ignorant and still compete? It certainly doesn't bode well for our future economy or especially our foreign policy when we are so proud to be ignorant. As this trend continues, selling the next foreign invasion is going to even easier than Iraq.

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That's the GOP Chimps for you. They are happy being monkeys as long as they get the best bananas.

Impeach Chimpy and Shooter

McCain's temper matters
by Joe Sudbay (DC) · 2/17/2008 10:09:00 AM ET · Link
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Republicans know they're in for trouble when the first two words of an AP profile of their candidate for president are "Temper, temper."

John McCain's temper is legendary. Now, as McCain assumes the mantle of the head of the GOP, it's becoming common knowledge.

The New York Times also examined the notorious McCain temper this weekend:

One of the trademarks of Mr. McCain’s rebel image has been his inability to cloak his emotions, especially anger. He has been prone to volcanic blowups over the years. And while he would hardly be the first president with a temper, Mr. McCain has been ever vigilant of late about resisting provocation.

Can he be vigilant til election day?

Back in 1964, the Republicans said of their candidate, Barry Goldwater, "In your heart, you know he