Part 2 of Frontline: Chimpy's War is available on line now, for those that missed it.

Seems to be some election year politics

"My friends, let’s start with some straight talk: I will not play election year politics with the housing crisis. I will evaluate everything in terms of whether it might be harmful or helpful to our effort to deal with the crisis we face now."

"I am prepared to examine new proposals and evaluate them based on these principals. But I think we need to do two things right away. First, it is time to convene a meeting of the nation’s accounting professionals to discuss the current mark to market accounting systems." […]

"We should also convene a meeting of the nation’s top mortgage lenders. Working together, they should pledge to provide maximum support and help to their cash-strapped, but credit worthy customers."

MCCAIN's Voting says opposite

– McCain voted against discouraging predatory lending practices. In 2005, McCain voted against an amendment prohibiting law-breaking high-cost predatory mortgage lenders from collecting funds from homeowners who are forced into bankruptcy court. [S. 256, 3/03/05]

– McCain failed to vote on bill to overhaul mortgage lending practices of FHA. In 2007, McCain failed to vote on passage of a bill that would overhaul the mortgage lending practices of the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). The bill would reduce the required minimum down payment for an FHA-insured loan and simplify its calculation, requiring a flat 1.5 percent of the appraised value of the home. [S. 2338, 12/14/07]

– McCain failed to sign on to Truth in Lending Act. Less than four months ago, McCain failed to sign on to this bipartisan initiative providing protection to consumers taking out home mortgage loans. Among other measures, it was designed to “establish new lending standards to ensure that loans are affordable and fair.” McCain also refused to co-sponsor this legislation in the 107th Congress as well. [S. 2452, 12/12/2007]

Impeach Chimpy and Shooter

Dearest Democrats,

ALL THE DEMOCRATS UNITE AND GET ON STAGE TOGETHER IS A GREAT IDEA!!

1) It will disarm the repugnant x-tian reich! They will not be able to fuel the fire of discontent.

2) It will show we are about being Democrats and we can unite.

3) It will show that we can win and the parties issues and the people of United States are greater than the candidates.

4) It will allow the candidates campaign to focus on McCain and the general election.

The Obama and Clinton campaign will not like this idea. ...they are hired to win. ...but they must understand that the tactics they are deploying will disenfrancise many Democrats and their supporters.

Dearest Dr. Dean and leaders of the Democratic Party,

Please show some leadership and make it happen!!

United we can win.

The candidates do not have to concede the race. They do not have to declare they are running for VP. The former candidates do not have to declare who they support and the leaders within the party do not have to declare who they support. They just need to show unity and support the Democratic cause!!

Kathy_from_Indiana, Pam, rjsnj, Blue, Mike, and all,

Please help me get this message out to the Obama and Clinton campaign. They do not have to concede. They just have to rejoin the Democratic Party and unite their message.

I know this will be difficult; ...but I think we still can win, UNITED!!

First, it is time to convene a meeting of the nation’s accounting professionals to discuss the current mark to market accounting systems.
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Cubi, what in the world is this fool babbling about? "mark to market accounting systems"? Does this idiot think the entire problem was caused by "bad accounting"? I know he admits he does not know much about economics but this is absolutely pathetic.

video

Everyone,

Please have a safe and wonderful afternoon.

Please help unite the Democratic Party.

United Colors of the Democratic Party.

United we see no color.
United we see no race.
United we see no genders.
United we see no generation gap.

United we can win.

United, we can build a better Democratic United States of America.

Kathy_from_Indiana, Pam, rjsnj, Blue, Mike, and all,

Please help me get this message out to the Obama and Clinton campaign. They do not have to concede. They just have to rejoin the Democratic Party and unite their message. I know this will be difficult; ...but I think we still can win, UNITED!!

I will pass this to the Obama people in Indiana (a small chance it might be passed on to the national level but we can try) but before I do, is there a unified consensus here on this blog that this is what we all want?

Kathy_from_Indiana, Pam, rjsnj, Blue, Mike, and all,
Please help me get this message out to the Obama and Clinton campaign. They do not have to concede. They just have to rejoin the Democratic Party and unite their message. I know this will be difficult; ...but I think we still can win, UNITED!! Hybrid

I will pass this to the Obama people in Indiana (a small chance it might be passed on to the national level but we can try) but before I do, is there a unified consensus here on this blog that this is what we all want?

Hothead McCain

Robert Dreyfuss, the Nation

If you've followed Senator John McCain at all, you've heard about his tendency to, well, explode. He's erupted at numerous Senate colleagues, including many Republicans, at the slightest provocation. "The thought of his being President sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper, and he worries me," wrote Republican Senator Thad Cochran, shortly before endorsing McCain.

You've heard about his penchant for bellicose rhetoric, whether appropriating a Beach Boys song in threatening to bomb Iran or telling Russian President Vladimir Putin that he doesn't care what he thinks about American plans to install missiles in Eastern Europe.

And you've heard, no doubt, about McCain's stubbornness. "No dissent, no opinion to the contrary, however reasonable, will be entertained," says Larry Wilkerson, a retired army colonel who was former Secretary of State Colin Powell's top aide. "Hardheaded is another way to say it. Arrogant is another way to say it. Hubristic is another way to say it. Too proud for his own good is another way to say it. It's a quality about him that disturbs me."

Posted by Cubilist on March 26, 2008 at 02:19 PM

Hybrid,

I know rjsnj is not a troll...I only wrote that because everytime we disagree, I am called a troll.

Hopefully our new Democratic President will be listening to people who have real brains in their heads, as Dr. Singer has. I would like, though, to hear more mention of Conservation Pricing (use more, pay more) from the experts.

Military action to influence oil-producing nations ineffective, expert says

Andrea Lynn, Humanities Editor

• U.S. defense and national security strategy should be reshaped so as to uniformly avoid unilateral military interventions in international or internal conflicts “solely or primarily for the purpose of influencing who has control over energy resources.”

• Major importers of petroleum and petroleum products should impose import tariffs that “continue to rise until a mutually acceptable agreement on stabilizing petroleum prices is reached with OPEC.” This agreement with OPEC should involve not only the United States, but also “a broad coalition of major energy users throughout the globe, ensuring truly consistent, systemic change in global financial and trade practices.”

Singer said Congress should immediately pass a punitive tariff on crude and refined petroleum from members in good standing in OPEC, and any other exporting countries that “conspire to maintain prices several times higher than the cost of exploration and production.”

WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS!!!! WE LOOK SILLY & STUPID TO THE ENTIRE WORLD!!! We have pis--d off a run away
victory and probably have caused us to lose. The repugs have outsmarted us again. I AM SO MAD AT US I
COULD JUST SCREAM. STOP STOP STOP it now!!!!! Peace

Posted by jenar on March 26, 2008 at 02:23 PM
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jenar whatever ... sometimes people just do the trolls job dragging the discussion off in directions that the GOP would love it to go. Whether you are or not ... frankly, I don't care.

WE HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS!!!! WE LOOK SILLY & STUPID TO THE ENTIRE WORLD!!! We have pis--d off a run away
victory and probably have caused us to lose. The repugs have outsmarted us again. I AM SO MAD AT US I
COULD JUST SCREAM. STOP STOP STOP it now!!!!! Peace

better link.

There are 116 United Church of Christ churches in the Chicago area. There are over a dozen within 10 miles of Barack & Michelle Obama's home. Why that
church? As a private citizens if your family is fine with a pastor and church who holds as even a small part of there views anti American, Anti
Semitic, Pro Hamas Terrorist organization, Anti white as part of the ministry it is your right to stay as members and be feed spiritually there
and if that is what feeds your soul, fine we as fellow Americans support your rights to that. As to America being OK with our President being a
member of such a church, we say no way! No one has ask you to change faiths but a change in church fellowship and spiritual advisers of which you have 116 other churches and pastors to choose from is totally within a reasonable request for someone running to be the next President of the United States! Thank you Barack Obama for your radio address where you let us know you and Michelle have chosen to continue being spiritually feed from that specific church and pastor with ALL there messages. We will support your right to
that as a private citizen but we will not elect you as our President. Change & Unity are more then words they require action and hard work! The kind of solutions to serious problems we face is what Hillary Clinton offers us and is the real change and unity we are looking for. You may speak the words about these things but your actions do not.

Charlie Cook of National Journal talks about Florida's competence problem. He spares no punches. He does get a part wrong, though, blames the Obama campaign for no revotes.

That is just not true. That is the new talking point of the Clinton campaign, reversing their previous view of the situation.

Charlie Cook's view:

Charlie Cook on Florida: "Monumental Incompetence"

I am cheered when I think of the future of the Democratic Party out of all this fighting. We are registering record numbers of Democrats in each and every state. These are what I call hidden Democrats. Those who like to claim they are “independent” but with only a two party system they have to be leaning one way or the other. I mean the differences between the Republicans are to stark for many to be truly in the middle of the road. I think we will end up with a lot more party faithful out of this run. I hope we go to every single state with the nomination still in doubt. Yeah there will be Democrats for a day in all that mix but there is no question that not all of them are that and in the end the part will have a huge voting base for even mid term and local state elections. Remember this is not just about the White House. If you remember the Christian Right started out over 30 years ago focusing on the federal government office and didn’t make any head way so they re thought and did grass roots for local counsel seats and boards of education and other local office and built up from there. As we can see from the 15 last years it was a successful approach. We need to do the same!

BREAKING:
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is speaking this morning to Grover Norquist's weekly powerhouse gathering at Americans for Tax Reform of conservative associations, think tanks, and political operations.

At the semi-secret gatherings which Republican political hopefuls migrate to to get the blessing of not only Norquist but the diverse parts of the nation's conservative money and political machinery, Norquist gives everyone in the room 3 minutes to pitch their cause or issue. I have attended before, but if one wants to attend again -- no one may write or speak about the internal discussion or who attended.

In this case, however, I am not attending -- but a source other than Norquist has leaked this information to The Washington Note and Huffington Post.

As one major Republican operative told me yesterday:

Someone like Condi Rice doesn't go to Grover Norquist's den to talk about the Annapolis Middle East peace process. She's going to secure her future in Republican politics and to position herself as a 'potential' VP candidate on the McCain ticket.

Bring it on Rice - we'd love to have you as McCain's VP...there is so much to hammer you with and since you'd be out in the open and away from fateh Bush, you'd have to stand alone...good news for Dems!

Kathy,

It's the only strategy that I can conjure up that will disarm the republican negative campaign feeding the fire. It is the only strategy, that I can come up with to prevent the disenfrancisement of Democratic supporters for Obama and Clinton; ...and we need those supporters. It is the only strategy and it is risky, that will unite the party.

Granted when viewed from 10,000 feet, this may give Obama an advantage. ...but Clintons may gain some good will from this action.

If you list the strategies for Clinton and Obama for the next 3-6 months, everyone can tell it will only get ...disencantment and disenfrancise many voters.

Please ask our leadership to unite the party for the greater good.

I agree with 90+% of everything Obama and Clinton stand for. Please do not allow them to deploy any more political strategies to get the absolute win. At this point neither one can get the absolute win. Both of their campaign managers and strategist must concede their tactics and unite the Democratic party!!

Stopping by for lunch...

What the heck are you talking about? You obviously do not know the difference between a Catholic and a Baptist. Do some research before you lump all Christians into one.

...so quit thinking that I am the religious right and realize that there are many others out there like myself that you might want to stop attacking because we too are part of the democratic party.

Posted by jenar on March 26, 2008 at 10:01 AM

You must think I'm an idiot. Only the religious right or a smartass Republican would intimate that Catholics are not Christians like you have.

I was raised by a Catholic father and a Southern Baptist mother. I know plenty about each religion. Neither of them preach hate and exclusion.

Political opportunists like yourself are using the bigotry of religious zealots all over the world to cause division and strife. That is not where the mainstream is.

If you can't accept diversity and civil rights for all, then you are blogging in the wrong place.

We are happy to welcome back any Reagan Democrats who want a real change from the incompetence and corruption of the GOP. But we will not allow anyone to infringe on the rights of anyone because of their race, sexual orientation, or religion.

Your posts have been bordering on all three. We will not allow these tactics to divert from the agenda of hope that Democrats are offering for this nation. We are united in our purpose and welcome all people of good will.

Try showing some in the future or quit wasting your time here.

I see a tough in the trenches fight as a good thing and will make a winner come the general election. Why do we poke our heads in the sand and then let the Republicans blind side us when this is all out there and we know it. Remember it doesn’t have to have substance or even be true. All it has to have is a good sound bite and the hit of if it can bleed it will lead. I mean if this is all hashed out and we get to the general and all that is left is to talk about the issues, hands down the mood of the country is Democrat. Think about it, Iraq, health care, education, trade, economy, taxes, even the wedge minor issues this time around are Democrat wins, Gay rights, separation of church and state, environment, balance of powers, etc.. I can’t think of a issue the country is in the mood to listen to the conservatives on.

Change & Unity are more then words they require action and hard work! The kind of solutions to serious problems we face is what Hillary Clinton offers us and is the real change and unity we are looking for. You may speak the words about these things but your actions do not.

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 02:29 PM

Judge to ex-pastor: 'You lied'

UTICA — When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.
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Whatever.

Posted by dieharddemocrat on March 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM
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Geez, take some valium dude. You obviously aren't paying attention to polls. Despite the contentious race, McCain is dropping in the polls. That's because he's a total loser. He's hung the Iraq occupation and the crappy economy around his neck and that is where it will stay.

If you want to do some good, get out to a Democratic party meetup and start registering some people.

Listening to the media spin that the sky is falling won't do a thing.

Posted by jenar on March 26, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Okay, I’m back very briefly because I have got to address this information regarding Rev. Wright.
– September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
There are medical studies from the 40s (or early 50s) that show that the polio vaccine serum was tested in Africa on Africans where it was “fermented” in monkey organs. A lot of Africans died. When medical researchers were confronted, they claimed they did not use monkey organs. Many current medical researchers believe it was the start of fatal diseases like HIV/AIDS that sprung and mutated from these early tests. And, let’s not forget Tuskegee. What a fine blunder that was.
– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God damn America … for killing innocent people. God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”
This has been going on now for a long time – decades and decades. If you follow the trail of drugs, somewhere there is a white politician (Republican) making a ton of money. Remember when (and still are) the mafia started drug trafficing and it was primarily sold to Af-Ams?
The same goes with bigger prisons. More white folks skate free while Af-Ams are persecuted, prosecuted and set up. Check out any of the documentaries on prisons. Sure, let the punishment fit the crime. But didn’t Scooter Libby skate free even though he committed treason? Remember what we did to Japan? Ignored Hitler and the camps? No matter how you look at it, America has done a lot of harm to others, too.
-- December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”
This is a no brainer. There are many, many more rich white folks than rich black folks in this country.
– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
He’s right. She hasn't been called a nigger. She’s called a witch, a bitch, etc. Another no brainer.
– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”
I think Bill was a great President, but Bill did lie about his dalliances with Monica. I wouldn’t call it “riding dirty” but I think Rev. Wright made his point.

No matter how much we try, racism is alive and strong in this country. So is gender discrimination. Deal with it white folks.

I’m going to go back and continue my calls to Pennsylvania for Hillary. If she loses the nom, I’ll work for Barrack.

Posted by jenar on March 26, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Okay, I’m back very briefly because I have got to address this information regarding Rev. Wright.
– September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
There are medical studies from the 40s (or early 50s) that show that the polio vaccine serum was tested in Africa on Africans where it was “fermented” in monkey organs. A lot of Africans died. When medical researchers were confronted, they claimed they did not use monkey organs. Many current medical researchers believe it was the start of fatal diseases like HIV/AIDS that sprung and mutated from these early tests. And, let’s not forget Tuskegee. What a fine blunder that was.
– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God damn America … for killing innocent people. God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”
This has been going on now for a long time – decades and decades. If you follow the trail of drugs, somewhere there is a white politician (Republican) making a ton of money. Remember when (and still are) the mafia started drug trafficing and it was primarily sold to Af-Ams?
The same goes with bigger prisons. More white folks skate free while Af-Ams are persecuted, prosecuted and set up. Check out any of the documentaries on prisons. Sure, let the punishment fit the crime. But didn’t Scooter Libby skate free even though he committed treason? Remember what we did to Japan? Ignored Hitler and the camps? No matter how you look at it, America has done a lot of harm to others, too.
-- December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”
This is a no brainer. There are many, many more rich white folks than rich black folks in this country.
– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
He’s right. She hasn't been called a nigger. She’s called a witch, a bitch, etc. Another no brainer.
– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”
I think Bill was a great President, but Bill did lie about his dalliances with Monica. I wouldn’t call it “riding dirty” but I think Rev. Wright made his point.

No matter how much we try, racism is alive and strong in this country. So is gender discrimination. Deal with it white folks.

I’m going to go back and continue my calls to Pennsylvania for Hillary. If she loses the nom, I’ll work for Barrack.

Hybrid - so what you're askingis a sort of Contect With America moment but instead of what the Reukes did, we will have a unifing moment with all candidates together.

I don't think that will happen right now - it might towards the convention if there is a clear winner. But I do think that the two candidates need to sit down and hash some things out. They are killin gus out there right now. If it's not one thing, it's another. And yes, I beleive if it continues, it will turn people off. I do beleive though that if we lose some people, that for the most part, after the convention, most will come back. It's too important to them not to.

Pennsylvania has a popular first-term Senator, Bob Casey. He defeated incumbent conservative Senator Rick Santorum, who at the time was the No. 3 ranking Senate Republican. Bob Casey got 2,392,984 votes (58.7%). Casey’s 708,206 vote margin of victory was the second highest ever against an incumbent Senator in all U.S. Senate elections since 1920. As much as we love Bob Casey here in Pennsylvania, most of us don’t believe that our junior Senator is ready right now to serve as Commander and Chief, during a time of war. Similarly, the first-term Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, has the difficult task of convincing a majorty of American voters that he has the most experience and skills when it comes to national defense and improving the economy. The objective facts indicate that Barack doesn’t. Ever since March 4, Barack has gradually faded into third place behind John McCain and Hillary Clinton in the key electoral states where national defense and the economy are the top concerns of voters. In contrast, Hillary is moving ahead of McCain in the tried-and-true Clinton blue electoral states. If this trend continues, Hillary Clinton will become the overwhelming choice of delegates to the Democratic National Convention in August, and the next President of the United States.

It will be easier to elect a black man president than a woman.

Those are the words of former senator and 1972 Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern. He's actually a Hillary Clinton supporter, but he says he feels that where this country stands today in its thinking, it's going to be harder to elect a woman. He also says, "I wish that weren't true… I'd love to see Hillary as president."

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 02:29 PM

You got to be kidding, right? Presidents can only attend churches that have been given the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval from you?

Who set you up or anybody else for that matter as the authority on which churches make the grade?

I can't believe how ridiculous your argument is. There are no un-American churches in America. If Americans attend them, they are American. Period.

bbl, maybe, when the stink dies down.

Change & Unity are more then words they require action and hard work! The kind of solutions to serious problems we face is what Hillary Clinton offers us and is the real change and unity we are looking for. You may speak the words about these things but your actions do not.

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 02:29 PM

Judge to ex-pastor: 'You lied'

UTICA — When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.
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Whatever.

here is the whatever point

Hillary has not said she just disagreed with just some of what her pastor did and stands by him. She denounced all of the good he ever did because of the bad he has done. On issues like these it can't be some even though a person is never just one thing. You can't have your pastors page supporting Hamas the terrorist org and then do community service and say well it all equals out or we just will look at the community service. She would not be a member of a church that would try to defend either of these pastors. That is the difference to whatever! It is a big deal on both accounts but only in regards to what Hillary has done and would do and what Obama has done and is doing.

As a Hillary Clinton supporter in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, let me give the Obama campaign a little friendly advice on how to united the Democratic Party. I’m sure this will come as a surprise. Barack needs to win the popular vote in the Pennsylvania primary. If Senator Obama wins the popular vote in Pennsylvania, many Clinton supporters will begin to believe that Barack has earned the nomination.

Kathy_from_Indiana,

So many people, supporters from both sides, Obama supporters and Clinton supporters are getting hurt as these two candidates go for the win.

It's very obvious to me that neither side can win.

So why continue with the distruction of the Democratic Party and play into the repugnant x-tian reich?

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 03:03 PM

Are you an intern for clinton or just watching the 24 hr. news cycle on fox? This arguement isn't worth having with you. It is far to hard for me to wade through your tired talking points.
You have no cited links to anything you are talking about because you can't! Do you have difficulty connecting dots?
You frankly can't write well enough for me to try to interpret what you are trying to say and that is the whatever.

McCain flip flops again

"I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers."

In contrast, when McCain was asked whether the Federal Reserve went too far in extending a $30 billion credit line to finance the takeover of Bear Stearns by JPMorgan. “It’s a close call, but I don’t think so,” he said.

McCain is unwilling to criticize actions by the Bush administration, despite his rhetoric and alleged principles. Bear Stearns was the second-biggest underwriter of U.S. mortgage bonds and acted “irresponsibly” for years. According to McCain’s logic, the Fed should not have bailed out this institution:

Absent CEO: James Cayne was “playing bridge and golf” while its hedge funds which invested heavily in mortgage securitiescollapsed, missing 10 critical days last July. He also allegedly smoked marijuana after bridge tournaments.

A source of the crisis: Stearns provided “munificent lines of credit to public-spirited subprime lenders like New Century (now bankrupt). It is also the owner of EMC Mortgage Corporation, one of the most aggressive subprime mortgage servicers out there.”

Putting the public at risk: The firm tried to unload “toxic” mortgage-backed securities onto the public last summer in “an initial public offering of a financial company called Everquest Financial.”

McCain has once again shown that he is willing to abandon his so-called “straight talk” in order to stay in line with the Bush administration’s agenda.

Supporter like candidate! can't argue the fact or the issue so you both resort to personal attacks like we are asking unfair questions or sharing unfair facts.

I wish I was a intern for Hillary but I am to old for that! I am just and citizen who cares about what should be and still hopefully will be a banner year for Democrats and this country by electing Hillary Clinton as President.

Senator Hothead

Take the McCain Quiz

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 03:03 PM

I read your earlier post and my struggle with your post, (in addition to others who drop in here from time to time), is the complete and utter lack of historical based information and a mind numbing intellectual deficit that you, on this occassion, possess.

So heres what I'll do for you. I have posted a tidbit of information for you on Hamas. What I would recommend you do is go away and research who and what they are. I would insist that you also consider the autrocities that the country of Israel, with the support of the United States has visited on the Palestinian people.

In other words, fuck off until you can come back with something other than rhetorical bullshit that is bandied about by the MSM or a political campaign.

You can't have your pastors page supporting Hamas the terrorist org and then do community service and say well it all equals out or we just will look at the community service.

After coming to power, Hamas announced it was giving up suicide attacks and "offered a 10-year truce [with Israel] in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem." Hamas also declared a unilateral ceasefire with Israel which, after Israeli air strikes in response to Hamas smuggling weapons into Gaza, was formally renounced.

Food For Thought
It does not matter strictly if you're pro or con the ant,
For there's surely someone waiting to impose another slant.
If you rally in support of just the tiniest of things
There will be a mass objecting, spewing poison-arrow stings.
It is almost never worth it to declare a point of view
For the chance of not offending is remote and friends are few.
In the face of never-ending strife, debate is all we know;
Conflict fuels the nation from White House to top talk-show.
With this opposition-minded, puffed, self-righteous road we take
It's no wonder that our health care and retirement's at stake.
We spend all our foolish fortunes on our causes, come what may,
Saving nothing for what matters in more tangible a way.
If we banked what we are spending on our wars and rants and woes,
We'd have plenty should we ever be presented with real foes.
We could feed the hungry people of the world, near and far,
We could build a new tomorrow, we could re-invent the car.
We could learn to teach our children so they won't grow up and say
That we left them only troubles, debts, and enemies to slay.
Yes, if conflict were not glamorized and we could end it here,
Just imagine life devoid of all related stress and fear!
Oh, but we can't quite imagine this, our eyes aren't trained to see
How a healthy nation operates a peaceful strategy.
No president will offer up the chance to be the first
To humbly disembark from this gas-guzzling blood-thirst;
No, we have to do, ourselves, what serves our interests, from now on--
We will give the ant respect, regardless who is pro and con.

Copyright Cassandra :Leu 2008

SandyH.. you can poke your head in the sand all you want but that is what a huge number of Americans if not publicly saying it are saying it inside.

They don't like a pastor or Church who supports Hamas the terrorist org.

Who feels whites are the enemy and blame them for all ills in not only America but the world.

Who find it ok to use the pulpit for bashing political opponents

A African American church whose message is more African then American and in fact is so at the expense of America and Americans.

Yeah there are a lot of American who see that they do not have any say when you are talking priviate citizen but they do have a say for the leader of us all as President of the United States of America. If we don't realize this now ..November will be bleak!

Why is it any better coming from Pastor Wright then Pat Robinson or James Dobson? Neither one has any business in trying to manipulate the political out come in who is our elected leaders. It is wrong and dangerous for the conservative right leaders to endorse and pulpit promote candidates and it is just as wrong and dangerous when Democrats do it!

Posted by anne_smith on March 26, 2008 at 03:07 PM

And you???....I'm curious. Give me (3) and (3) only reasons that me or anyone else, particularly a democrat, should support Hillary Clinton.

What is it that about her that appeals to you?

Posted by anne_smith on March 26, 2008 at 02:51 PM

And Bush did? How about that elder statesman Cheney? Not a lick of sense between either one of them.

George Washington didn't have any experience running an army before he took on the Continental Army. He learned on the job and didn't get any more support from the Continental Congress than our troops in Iraq got from the Republican Congress.

You go with those who can attract the best minds and have demonstrated that people will follow where they lead.

McCain attacts fruit flies and his 100 year war strategy will attack maggots.

She would not be a member of a church that would try to defend either of these pastors. That is the difference to whatever!
Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 03:03 PM

Ok,

Venita posted this earlier, but since you aren't interested in truths I doubt you will read it.
This is The pastor Dean J. Snyder of the
Foundry United Methodist Church
(THE CHURCH THE CLINTON'S ATTENDED IN DC)defending Mr. Wright!
Is this clear enough for you?

"he Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a critical time in America's history as we seek to repent of our racism. No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again to one another and not to distort one another's truth."

Okay, let's pound on McCrap. From KOS!

John McCain is breaking the law.

When McCain's presidential campaign was in trouble, he opted-in to public financing through the primary, limiting him to a $54 million spending cap.

But laws aren't for "mavericks"...

McCain's latest spending report, filed by his own campaign, shows he has spent in excess of $58 million so far -- a public admission by his own hand that he has broken the law.

We filed a formal complaint to Federal Election Commission yesterday, and we want you to sign-on for a second delivery of signatures later this week.

Please read and co-sign the letter to the FEC right now.

http://action.firedoglake.com/mccainfec

We've had a number of co-singers to the document already including:

MoveOn.org Political Action
Matt Stoller
John Amato
Robert Greenwald
Jerome Armstrong

All that's missing is your name.

View the signers and add your name to theirs right now.

http://action.firedoglake.com/mccainfec

If you sign right now, your name will be included in our larger delivery later this week.

Sincerely,

Markos and Jane

P.S. We've got video of our first delivery up, and you can expect an update with video of the delivery.

The First Amendment of the US Constitution states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What is so difficult to understand here? No means... NO! Where's the ambiguity? There is no mention of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, and/or Shintoism - not counting the ones I have missed - FOR A REASON.

We are free to believe/practice or not to. There is no official state religion in this country. Religious freedom is predicated on this concept.

I don't know when but at some point today the "squabbling" became ridiculous... and it just proves the point that religion does more to divide us than it does to unite us. Why bother at all? I beg your forgiveness.

Here's yet another one on McCrap:

McCain flounders, reads teleprompter on big economic speech
by Chris in Paris · 3/26/2008 11:24:00 AM ET · Link
Discuss this post here: 27 Comments · reddit · FARK ·· Digg It!

The CNN video attached to the article is well worth watching because McCain is just terrible. His eyes stay glued to the teleprompter, proving yet again that when it comes to the economy he has no idea what he's talking about. His war-hero credentials are all fine and good if Iraq is the issue (though why he did a propaganda video is another question) how in the world does that show that he is the person to lead us out of what Goldman Sachs is now calling a $1.2 trillion credit crisis?

The best McCain can do is uncomfortably stumble through the teleprompter words and tell everyone what they already know. Speculative buyers and shady loans? You don't say! Gosh, what a story. The real whopper is when McCain calls for easing "regulatory, accounting and tax impediments to raising capital." Really? And here I was thinking that the lack of regulation has been critical to the runaway credit problem. The last thing we need is less regulation or more tax incentives for this group. Why would we ever make it easier for the industry that is dragging down the entire US (and probably global) economy? Don't journalists ask questions these days or will they just let McCain read scripts written by economists who created these problems?

Posted by WestPA on March 26, 2008 at 03:41 PM

Did you read your article,

The polls findings went on to say "Among Obama supporters, 19 percent would vote for Mr. McCain should Mrs. Clinton be the nominee"

The problem is the fact that Clinton is too stubborn and selfish to conceed. She has lost 14 out of the last 17 primaries.
Hypothetically, if those facts were atributed to Obama, don't you think the clinton camp would be screaming for him to get out of the race. Of course.

Unity will happen for the democrats once there is one candidate. All true democrats will vote democrat no matter the candidate.

Dave I am aware of the article and the claim of Hamas but there is not enough history to back up that PR. Not even 4 years ago they have been caught being contrary to those press releases. Even working with Iran in smuggling in weapons of war. So sorry but at the time the Pastors page for TUCC it was totally out of place! You look at history and follow the time lines the stand by your post!

by prematurely entering the presidential race instead of thinking about what was best politically and strategically for the Democrats?
Posted by WestPA on March 26, 2008 at 03:49 PM

Thats the problem with clinton, her aides (carville) and her supporters. Which you are not.
You all assume Hillary is owed the presidency. They say it is her "turn." They call"traitors" to this ideology Judas. That is bullshit.
I'm sorry the country and the party believe in democracy.
Obama ran a better campaign and is in those terms the better candidate. If you believe in democracy and the democratic party you will vote for Obama in the fall.

What's really the matter the coronation not go to plan?

Ok Dave

Hillary
Voted yes giving military woman the right of personal choice about abortion. (June 2002)

Hillary
Voted no on amending death tax for wealthy to avoid taxes. (August 2006)

Hillary
Voted yes:
Closes $10.8 billion in corporate tax loopholes

Restores education program cuts slated for vocational and adult education

Increases the maximum Pell Grant scholarship to $4,500

Increases future math and science teacher student loan forgiveness to $23,000(March 2005)

Hillary votes yes to clean energy bills. (2003, 2005, 2007)

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Farmers Union 90 percent in 2001-2002.

2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Fund for Animals 100+ percent in 2005-2006.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005-2006.
2005 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.
2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 60 percent in 2005-2006.
2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 20 percent in 2005.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Humane Association 100 percent in 2004.
2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals 100 percent in 2004.
2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Animal Protection Institute 100 percent in 2004.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Citizens for Tax Justice 80 percent in 2005-2006.
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Public Citizen's Congress Watch 92 percent
in 2005-2006.

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Public Citizen's Congress Watch 69 percent in 2005-2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Business-Industry Political Action Committee 11 percent in 2005

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Business-Industry Political Action Committee 15 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State 100 percent in 2006

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Obama supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 94 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of United Latin American Citizens 100 percent in 2003-2004
2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004.
2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Christian Action Network 8 percent during their legislative career up until 2004.
2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005-2006.
2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 100 percent in 2006.

Sure sign of trollism: posting from the washington times.

Posted by Cubilist on March 26, 2008 at 03:51 PM

I don't think they did. Interesting perspective and insight though on Clinton supporters. They are likely to vote for McCain rather than support Obama.

How could you call yourself a democrat and do that?

“This suggests that some Clinton supporters are so strongly opposed to Obama (or so loyal to Clinton) that they would go so far as to vote for the "other" party's candidate next November if Obama is the Democratic nominee,” Gallup wrote in its analysis.

I’m going to go back and continue my calls to Pennsylvania for Hillary. If she loses the nom, I’ll work for Barrack.

Posted by puggles on March 26, 2008 at 02:43 PM
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puggles, that's the spirit! It makes no sense at all to let McCrap win. You can betcha that McCrap is no friend to average working person. Why the lying SOB even wants to make Bush's tax cuts for upper 1% permanent (after saying he was against these tax cuts!).

McCrap!

Same as Chimpy for sure ... probably worse.

I voted for Hillary Clinton in the Primary Election because I want a healthy, prosperous, and safe life for my children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. I also want a safe world for all of the human beings on this earth. For that reason I voted for experience, trust-worthiness, and sincerity. Hillary Clinton says what she thinks and she means what she says. She does not promise what she thinks she cannot deliver.

I have spent 40 years as an advocate for children’s, women’s, and senior’s rights so I voted for someone I know will protect all of the things I consider important to my life. If I had to describe the reason for my vote in one word it would be experience.

Hillary Clinton started at a young age to advocate for children. In 1969, Hillary entered Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of Yale Law Review and Social Action, and interned with children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, after graduation, Hillary advised the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Mass. Hillary Clinton volunteered at Yale’s Child Study Center, learning about new research on early childhood brain development, as well as New Haven Hospital, where she took on cases of child abuse and the city Legal Services, providing free legal service to the poor.

Hillary served as Arkansas’s First Lady for 12 years, balancing family, law, and public service. She chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children’s Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children’s Defense Fund. As First Lady, her public involvement with many activities sometimes led to controversy. Undeterred by critics, Hillary won many admirers for her staunch support for women around the world and her commitment to children’s issues.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president’s senior staff. While she was familiar with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. During the years of the Clinton presidency we had very good economic conditions for all members of our society, not just the wealthy. When president Clinton left office we had a large surplus in the budget, not a huge deficit. I believe working as close as she did with her husband she experienced first hand how this worked. I believe her own independence will guarantee that she will be the president but she will have her husband to talk over the issues with, as he did with her during his terms in office.

I believe she will end the war in Iraq responsibly and that she will not take risk with our troops, the Iraqi people or American personnel serving in Iraq. I believe because she is known around the world and has visited and received dignitaries from all over the world she is the right person to mend our fences and keep us safe. Although the heads of state have changed the Clinton name is very recognizable and her access will be received with respect.

Hillary Clinton has the intelligence, the compassion, and the connections to serve us well. She is the best candidate for the good of our beloved Country and I will be proud to cast my vote for her again in November.

How is it that HRC supporters get to decide what the measure of viability is when their candidate is behind?

On a related note:

Now obviously, Hillary's been in the political big leagues for a while. She knows how to deflect a question. But it's actually much richer than this. This afternoon Greg Sargent and I were talking this over and one of us realized that this wasn't just any Pittsburgh paper. It was the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the money-losing, vanity, fringe sheet of Richard Mellon Scaife, funder of the Arkansas Project, the American Spectator during its prime Clinton-hunting years and virtually every right-wing operation of note at one point or another over the last twenty years or more.

In fact, what I only discovered late this evening, when Eric Kleefeld sent me this link at National Review Online, is that not only was it Scaife's paper. Scaife himself was there sitting just to Clinton's right apparently taking part in the questioning.

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 03:56 PM

2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Fund for Animals 100+ percent in 2005-2006.

I was specific...apparently you can't do specific.

However, I have determined that you are an animal or are currently residing in a pound as her support for the Humane Society has been outstanding.

I am supporting hillary clinton, because I know "that it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush!". Hillary is a tough, smart, strong and energized women who will make the changes our country needs! Now is a time for experience in the white house because this country can not continue on its self destructive path!!!

Posted by Cubilist on March 26, 2008 at 03:20 PM

Mccain = worse than Bush!!!

Personally, I don't believe the people who say they will vote for McCrap if their pick for Democratic candidate don't win. I believe that many won't work for the other candidate's campaign. That's understandable as burn out will happen anyway but that's not a problem as the nominee will pick up volunteers from people who were on the sidelines.

Before you say you will push the button for McCrap consider what he stands for:

1) Social security privatization.
2) Eliminating employer subsidies for health care. This is likelt to create 200 million uninsured people.
3) Cutting back on all social programs including Medicare.
4) Making Bush's tax cuts for the upper 1% permanent.
5) A 100 year occupation in Iraq.
6) A war with Iran.

I am sure this is just a sample of McCain's right wing extremism.

McCain ... just like voting for Bush.

Good afternoon Dems.,

It wasn't until I started posting on this site that I knew what a "troll" was, how to spot them and the insanity of trying to engage in an educational debate with them.
It serves no purpose, they are here on a mission--
and it is to distract from the value of the site.
They don't want to learn. They want a reaction.

I see that quite a few of the posters on right now were the ones that taught me these lessons.

I am always so happy when I log on to see what is happening in DEM world and as I read through the posts for the day, I see that the trolls, who are always here, are being ignored, and an honest debate and sharing of valid information.

Since these trolls do bring out some issues some times that others out in the real world are concerned about, I am glad to see that issue addressed and debated between DEMS, again ignoring those here to disrupt.

just an observation
thanks for being here

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 03:56 PM

You forgot he most important vote...
The one that authorized war!

delegates to the Democratic National Convention in August, and the next President of the United States. Posted by anne_smith on March 26, 2008 at 02:51 PM

Oh uggg - you're back with a bunch of bullcrud...how many times do we have to tell you that Hillary doesn't have the numbers and noooo she's not going to be the person who wins it in Denver - sorry.

But I do have to beg something with you - are you ok? I mean are you a normal person? Can you read or do you have a mental problem? You keep coming in here and say the same trash and we keep telling you that you are incorrect.

Now go away and let the adults talk sweetheart.

gemstone, he has already won the popular vote in more states than HRC. In fact, he leads in the popular vote. What makes PA so special . . .

Oooooh! is that HRC sitting next to Jeremiah Wright?!

Posted by peaceman on March 26, 2008 at 04:05 PM
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That's the ticket:

McCain ... worse than Bush!

Pound on McCrap. There is one thing we all should agree on McCain is a 3rd term of Bush and possibly worse. Unite against McCain.

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 04:03 PM

Outfuckingstanding...Who wrote that..Bill or Chelsea? Let's see what we can do with a snippet?

For that reason I voted for experience, trust-worthiness, and sincerity. Hillary Clinton says what she thinks and she means what she says.

"I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia and ... there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the first lady. That's where we went. I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Yep, she's all those things right??

Posted by rjsnj on March 26, 2008 at 04:00 PM

RJ: Ever since Edwards dropped out, I supported Clinton with the stipulation that if she was not nominated in August, I would work and vote for my third choice, Obama.

I voted for Hillary for many reasons. Her continuos work for LGBT issues. Her support of Veterans. Being able to take a stand on an issue no matter what the consequences. Her passion about healthcare for all.

Bridget Breslin PA I am voting for Senator Hillary Clinton, because for years she has been one of the very few allies of marginalized Americans. Senator Clinton has fought for the working poor, the sick, and oppressed minorities in every role she has filled: from college student, to law firm partner, to First Lady, to US Senator. Hillary Clinton has consistently dug in her heels and fought for all of us who have been brushed aside by our government. She is the candidate to turn America around. GO HILLARY!

Shelby Lewis PA I'm voting for Hillary because I feel she has the experience and knowledge to get the job done well. It's going to be difficult for anyone to fix what Bush has done and I believe she is more than capable of doing just that.
Robin Carlson CA Go Hillary... we need our health care. I am dealing with stage iv cancer and cannot afford this disease. No one can really. I see cancer patients at the hospital who are turned down by their insurance company for new treatments when the old treatments stop working. KEEPING FIGHTING FOR THE WHITEHOUSE (I'll keep fighting right along with you!) xoxoxxox

Sharon Lane AZ My primary issue is Health Care for ALL. I run a rare cancer group and I have seen the devastation that believing you cannot afford health insurance can create. Many of my members, throughout the years, told me horror stories about not having health insurance, because they believe they were healthy and other bills came first. Then, they got diagnosed with cancer and found out that trying to treat this disease, without health insurance, can be down right deadly!

John Looser AZ I have been around for a very long time, and I have watched your persistance and strength since you were a young woman. You have stood your ground on the issues that matter for senior citizens. And, I thank you for that. You deserve my vote.

Roberta Cleveland NY I choose to vote for Hillary Clinton because she has the experience and intelligence that I am looking for in a candidate.

Robert J Hill Jr NJ President Hillary Clinton, I've,loved u from Day ONE!!I believe in,u!!I know ure,the answer,America needs!! I fight,everyday w/people @ work!For their vote, for u and,WHY,Hillary,speaks for me!! I'm with u all the way!! Let's get FL and MI! Love u,very much!! Robert Hill Jr

Monkey Magic ID I support Hillary because she is the best qualified democrat for the job. I was never interested in politics until, I found out Hillary would be running for President in 08' and from then on, Ive been knee deep in American Politics. My main support for her stems from the work she has done for education and children in general. I personally dont think any on person is going to be able to fix all the problems in the US in just 8 years, and the only way to ensure a prosperous, happy future is by better educating and taking better care of our children. Hillary has been a champion of children.

just an observation thanks for being here Posted by highserenity on March 26, 2008 at 04:07 PM

Oh man - I got caught again...these trolls just get to me sometimes! I promise high - that I will refrain......

HARTFORD, Connecticut (AP) -- Richard Widmark, who made a sensational film debut as the giggling killer in "Kiss of Death" and became a Hollywood leading man in "Broken Lance," "Two Rode Together" and 40 other films, has died after a long illness. He was 93.

I thought he was already dead.

FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:

It will be easier to elect a black man president than a woman.

We're not really having this discussion in this country. Isn't there more important topics to talk about like, dodging bullets, an neverending war, Cheney's "I don't care" attitude? Do we really want to have a conversation that pits race against gender?

GEM,

are those testimonies from you're AARP group?

Ideologically, Obama and Clinton are very, very similar.
They really show differences more in leadership style and personality.

Honestly, either of them will get things done.
Either of them is smart enough to move this country in the right direction, which is actually the left direction.

I have nothing but contempt for anyone who calls themself a Democrat who would go to the polls and vote for McCain. That's not a Democrat. McCain is not a moderate, he's McBush III.

I am sick of Clinton's "Rovean" tactics

She and Bill are sure taking the LOW Road in this campaign and that is why she is going to lose.

She is NOT entitled to the nomination

She needs to get over herself

Sorry but this is how I feel

Here's the latest on McCrap:

Yes, you have heard this speech before.

On Wednesday, Sen. John McCain delivered a "major" foreign policy address, in which, as part of his defense for a continued presence of U.S troops in Iraq, he positioned himself as a "realistic idealist," someone who is acutely aware of the cost of war.

"The lives of a nation's finest patriots are sacrificed. Innocent people suffer and die," McCain told the Los Angeles World Affairs Council. "Commerce is disrupted; economies are damaged; strategic interests shielded by years of patient statecraft are endangered as the exigencies of war and diplomacy conflict. Not the valor with which it is fought nor the nobility of the cause it serves, can glorify war. Whatever gains are secured, it is loss the veteran remembers most keenly. Only a fool or a fraud sentimentalizes the merciless reality of war. However heady the appeal of a call to arms, however just the cause, we should still shed a tear for all that is lost when war claims its wages from us... we cannot wish the war to be a better place."

It is a repackaged graph.

Six-and-a-half years earlier, McCain used the almost the exact same language to drum up popular support for military action in the greater war on terror.

"War is a miserable business," the Arizona Senator wrote in a Wall Street Journal oped in October 2001. "The lives of a nation's finest patriots are sacrificed. Innocent people suffer and die. Commerce is disrupted, economies are damaged. Strategic interests shielded by years of patient statecraft are endangered as the exigencies of war and diplomacy conflict. However heady the appeal of a call to arms, however just the cause, we should still shed a tear for all that will be lost when war claims its wages from us. Shed a tear, and then get on with the business of killing our enemies as quickly as we can, and as ruthlessly as we must. There is no avoiding the war we are in today, any more than we could have avoided world war after our fleet was bombed at Pearl Harbor.... War is a miserable business. Let's get on with it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/26/mccain-recycles-2001-pro_n_93510.html

Got to run - keep up the pressure - keep on topic. The Rev issue is a dead issue - move on.

Keep on Rockn'

Kathy from Indiana you are so wrong. Here is how it is going to go down. 10 more primary contest to go and in those 10 we will see Senator Clinton over take the popular vote and come within less then 75 delegates. In Denver a motion will be brought to the floor to accept the voter from Florida and Michigan as is and seat there chosen delegates. On national TV they won't say no and they will be seated. This will give Senator Clinton the Delegate lead if not over the top. Either way the supers will look at the popular vote lead by Senator Clinton and the now delegate lead by Senator Clinton and finally the states that are blue or could be blue and see she has won those states that count. With these 3 winning area they will make Hillary Clinton the nominee. Why do you think everyone who is supporting Obama is wanting her to drop out now. It won't be ugly it wont be unfair but it will be upsetting to many but done by the rules! Obamas more states won argument will be useless in that most are states that have no chance at being blue in November.

Posted by gemstone on March 26, 2008 at 04:03 PM

I'm not one for candidate bashing just gives the pugs fuel to use against us.The Democrats need to unite in this, the fight with the right wing Mccain isn't going to be a cake walk.Unite Dems!!!fight the GOOD fight against the pugs!!

United Colors of the Democratic Party.

United we see no color.
United we see no race.
United we see no genders.
United we see no generation gap.

United we can win.

That's beautiful!!

Well, well, well ... look who has his "faith based" problems ... good old (I mean ole ... oh heck I mean OLD) McCrap!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-daltonbeninato/blab-it-grab-it-why-eva_b_93415.html

John McCain is walking into the buzzsaw of denouncing the evangelical community again. Walking away this time is going to be more difficult than McCain anticipates, because true believers are finally as mad as hell.

It's been a slow build including Ralph Reed and the Native American casinos; Rudy Giuliani endorsed by Pat Robertson then losing the primaries over his mistress' police car cab rides; the Heritage Foundation think tank wrong on every aspect of the war; graduates of Robertson's law school propping up Alberto Gonzalez before he had to resign, and Ted Haggart out of the closet.

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In the last month, Barack Obama has backed away from some of his pastor's views, and James Carville has compared Governor Bill Richardson to Judas but none of that compares to how often evangelicals are denounced when they are no longer politically expedient. McCain was comfortable throwing Jerry Falwell and Bob Jones University under the bus until it cost him a presidential election. Now that he's in the ranks of the religious right, here's what he needs to know: You can pretend to be evangelical if you're not, but the true believers will eventually cast you out like babies pitched over the wall as in Old Testament Shibboleth.

I was raised evangelical, with devout parents and a father who traveled the world with mission work. We heard most rock songs backwards before hearing them like you did, so as to pick out the telltale "natas." You'd be surprised how many words sound like satan if that's what someone's listening for. It's hard to walk away from a lifetime of conditioning. So as McCain dimes out Hagee, Robertson and the rest after soliciting their endorsement, the community he's denouncing has one belief: everything in the King James Bible is true. Healing, prophecies, end times and speaking in tongues. And if you're not with them, enjoy the eternal lake of fire because that's where you're going, my friend.

It's a hard denomination to categorize because evangelicals worship in storefronts, megachurches, abandoned movie theatres and everything in between. The fact that they're so invested in believing makes it all the more difficult for them to stomach McCain seeking their endorsement only to dump them for the Catholic Church controversy. It's built into the religion. I know now that it's wrong, but there were murmurs of, "Why are there so many Catholic orphanages? All those priests and nuns," as far back as I can remember.

In the heartland, our communion was Saltine crackers and grape juice. I didn't attend a Mass until my late teens, and thought that after one sip of wine I was probably drunk. It's farm country, and it is full of voters who are tired of being a joke behind closed doors after their votes are counted.

Church youth groups now volunteering to clean up New Orleans are coming home to ask their parents why their political party has no plans to ensure that America's next infrastructure victims won't be subjected to a similar Homeland Security implosion.

Meanwhile, Oral Roberts, Jr. has stepped down because the evangelical "name it claim it" theory (the richer you are, the more god loves you) is under IRS investigation in case grassroots donors did not know they were buying private jets for pastors who wield political influence. Hagee hasn't been busted yet, but eventually it won't pass the smell test when the congregation becomes as poor as the pastor is rich.

As kids we called it the "blab it, grab it" theory. That still seems to hold.

Posted by peaceman on March 26, 2008 at 04:26 PM
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Way to go peaceman!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx
These are the numbers that I have been unwilling to accept as true.
I have now decided to pay attention to them, as I believe that the "Kitchen Sink" strategy and the "Tanya Harding" strategy of winning has enraged both candidate bases to the point that the unthinkable could happen.

I also have come to believe in the possibility that the Clinton campaign, knowing that they can't win this primary, are willing to do so much damage, that she will be able to then run again in 4 years, as McCain has stated he will only do 4 years. Representing his contituants, he will only do damage in the next 4 years, again opening up the field for a Democrat. Obama won't run again.

Now, what I want to discuss are
1. Acknowlegement of these numbers and possibilties
2. Solutions that are actually pracitcable

A problem can't be addressed (solved) until the realities are accepted.
I don't think we can deny ANYMORE what is going on in the Clinton Campaign, as we have now been witnessing it since it became apparent that Hillary can't win the numbers in the primary----and she announce that McCain would be a good foreign leader and on and on and on

That is when we ALL started loosing, and her followers are going to follow her down the rabbit hole and Obama's followers are going to be so angry, they won't see reason either.

Wendy Bremer SC Dear Hillary, I work at Furman University. I was fortunate enough to be able to see and hear you when you visited Furman! I will be honest, I didn't go see Obama because my mind was already made up due to your record versus his record (which is what exactly?) I think you are awesome! I want you to know that regardless of how South Carolina voted......there are really a lot of people in this state who want you to be the next President of the United States! I personally, have been making phone calls - a lot of phone calls. I also know other people who have been making a lot of phone calls and who have contributed a lot of money to your campaign. We know that you are the best Democratic candidate and you MUST beat Obama! You have what our country needs. We need it NOW! I have a MySpace account and you have "many" supporters as you probably already know. We Love You! All the Best!

Scott Pecora NY As my state senator, Hillary Clinton has been working hard since day one,(yes, I said it, since day one) for all New Yorkers on health care, education, homeland security and the environment. I am confident she will work even harder as President. She is a leader who actually fights for the people Liberals have always cared about- children, veterans, women and the uninsured. For this and many more reasons, Hillary Clinton has my support in her campaign for this nomination.

Bob Tucker OH I am voting for Hillary because she is simply the best...I grew up watching the women in my life treated like they were not on the same level as men. I saw it in my church. I saw it in my home. It is in our culture. It is time for Madame President who is a great example of all my women mentors. I love Hillary. She took time to go to the small counties of S.E. OHIO. My Home. THEY REPAYED HER>

Buronian Rihard FL Hillary Clinton is a great woman

Patrice Messina CA Any woman who can take the slings and arrows from the media AND her competitor and still stand strong and on point -- well at the end of the day that woman has my vote. I believe in HRC and she is passionate about the issues. She will make a fabulous President of the United States.
Pnar Bradford MA Hillary gets my vote because she has shown to be a strong ally of Israel and the Jewish people, women's rights, stem cell issues, helath care, and the most the economy! I miss those days when Bill Clinton was president! Hillary is the best choice!

Linnette Booth AK I have watched carefully throughout the years of Hillary Clinton’s public service. She stands for all that needs to be done in this country. From my