Question of the Day
Posted by Matt Ortega on April 25, 2008 at 11:17 AMJosh Marshall asks:
If John McCain can't stand up to the North Carolina GOP swift-boat freaks, how can he stand up to al Qaeda?
Comments - 14 »
Comments - 14 «
Josh Marshall is actually quoting what TPM posted about Howard Dean's statement. It was covered last night there.
Posted by sunny on April 25, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Hillary Clinton's Last Hurrah!
Hillary Clinton's win in Pennsylvania with a 9.2% margin is indeed decisive and a morale booster. However, this translates into a pledged delegate pick of 10 only Hillary's 84 to Barack's 74. In the overall pledge delegate count Barack leads Hillary by 1494 to 1333, a lead of 161 delegates.
In Pennsylvania, the core constituencies voted in their usual pattern i.e. young, well off as well as African Americans for Obama and women for Clinton. The blue collar white workers however made the difference as they were not able to overcome racial prejudices and tilted the primary in Clintons favour. Most polls did indicate that Clinton will win by between 6 and 10 per cent. A poll conducted by a local university came closest to the actual result.
Pennsylvania is Hillary's last Hurrah as Obama is leading by over 15 points in North Carolina and is almost even in Indiana. Mathematially, Hillary has no chance to gain a lead in pledged delegates. But who cares about them, the Clintons (both Hillary and Bill) used all the dirty tricks they could against Obama to win Pennsylvania. New York Times was quite right to criticise their Republican like tactics. It seems that Clintons are hell bent on snatching the nomination even if their fight destroys the Democratic Party. This has already given respectability to McCain, who was otherwise visibly a weak candidate.
There is however no indication that Hillary will quit after Indiana and North Carolina. Clintons will probably go even more negative and use Karl Rove style strategy (James Carville is beginning to sound more like him every day) in order to muddy the waters and confuse super delegates so they hold off siding with Obama. Their game plan seems to be that if there is no clear nominee until the convention they can then deploy back room bargaining to win on the second ballot. This process will weaken and damage the Democratic Party and their chances of winning the White House in November will be greatly reduced.
According to latest Rasmussen Reports, Hillary is still viewed negatively by 53% voters (highest amongst the three candidates) and despite Pennsylvania they give Obama an 81.1% chance of winning the Democratic nomination (link below).
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
It is now up to the Democratic Party leaders and elders to decide if they want the fight to go on to convention floor in August and lose the White House in November or decide on a nominee after May 5 primaries. This can be accomplished by asking the 300+ uncommitted super delegates to decide now.
Posted by Ajaz on April 25, 2008 at 01:22 PM
Hillary Clinton's Last Hurrah!
Hillary Clinton's win in Pennsylvania with a 9.2% margin is indeed decisive and a morale booster. However, this translates into a pledged delegate pick of 10 only Hillary's 84 to Barack's 74. In the overall pledge delegate count Barack leads Hillary by 1494 to 1333, a lead of 161 delegates.
In Pennsylvania, the core constituencies voted in their usual pattern i.e. young, well off as well as African Americans for Obama and women for Clinton. The blue collar white workers however made the difference as they were not able to overcome racial prejudices and tilted the primary in Clintons favour. Most polls did indicate that Clinton will win by between 6 and 10 per cent. A poll conducted by a local university came closest to the actual result.
Pennsylvania is Hillary's last Hurrah as Obama is leading by over 15 points in North Carolina and is almost even in Indiana. Mathematially, Hillary has no chance to gain a lead in pledged delegates. But who cares about them, the Clintons (both Hillary and Bill) used all the dirty tricks they could against Obama to win Pennsylvania. New York Times was quite right to criticise their Republican like tactics. It seems that Clintons are hell bent on snatching the nomination even if their fight destroys the Democratic Party. This has already given respectability to McCain, who was otherwise visibly a weak candidate.
There is however no indication that Hillary will quit after Indiana and North Carolina. Clintons will probably go even more negative and use Karl Rove style strategy (James Carville is beginning to sound more like him every day) in order to muddy the waters and confuse super delegates so they hold off siding with Obama. Their game plan seems to be that if there is no clear nominee until the convention they can then deploy back room bargaining to win on the second ballot. This process will weaken and damage the Democratic Party and their chances of winning the White House in November will be greatly reduced.
According to latest Rasmussen Reports, Hillary is still viewed negatively by 53% voters (highest amongst the three candidates) and despite Pennsylvania they give Obama an 81.1% chance of winning the Democratic nomination (link below).
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
It is now up to the Democratic Party leaders and elders to decide if they want the fight to go on to convention floor in August and lose the White House in November or decide on a nominee after May 5 primaries. This can be accomplished by asking the 300+ uncommitted super delegates to decide now.
Posted by Ajaz on April 25, 2008 at 01:32 PM
He's being nice to the NC GOP. He won't be nice to the Islamic asshats.
Posted by Harpo_has_decided_that_you_are_all_idiots on April 25, 2008 at 09:42 PM
Hey Harpo, voluntarily pay your $30,000 per person share in taxes to pay for the war so far and then talk, otherwise, shut up.
Posted by newsjunkie on April 26, 2008 at 01:11 AM
What if the super delegates are split 250 Clinton and 50 for OBama? Would you still be that anxious for OBama to step down? Why are you so sure OBama can carry the super delegates? Why are you so anxious for Clinton to step down? What if all of the people for Clinton just don't vote rather than vote for Obama? This is Hillary's time she should win. OBama needs a lot more experience. A lot more "defeats" to learn what Hillary knowes. Do you want his cabinet to run the Country or his Vice President? This is serious business, you better stop and think before you speak out against Clinton. I just pray that the people will weight both candidates in God's balance and fairly come up with who is wanting and vote for right instead of fancy!!!
Posted by oneforall on April 26, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Yeah, doesn’t it look like old man McCain is saying that he will stand up ‘some’ to the North Carolina GOP swiftboat ad that is exploiting old comments of Senator Obama’s former minister but that he won’t or ‘can’t’ stand up right and ask the group to stop the ad? However, McCain has made clear that the next Congress better not ever stand up to him or his Cabinet when he is President.
wikipedia.org documents McCain’s discussion with MSNBC’s Hardball anchor Chris Matthews on October 11, 2006. McCain then said that he ‘had “no confidence” in former Secretary of Donald Rumsfeld but did not call for his resignation, explaining that “the president picks his team, and the president has the right to stay with that team if he wants to.”’
So be forewarned, McCain thinks like Bush, that Congress and his own party does not have to agree with what he and his Cabinet might be doing if he is President.
By the way, McCain said this one-month after hurricane Katrina while the American Public was questioning President Bush’s appointment of Mr. Brown as Director of Federal Emergency Management Services. Even then, McCain was trying to score ‘brownie’ political points with Bush by saying he could hire whoever he wanted and that he, as a member of the Senate, had not a right to inform, question or say anything to Bush about his cabinets unsuccessful achievements.
McCain’s style of politics in just saying he is against this ad is like offering Republican constituents half-a-brownie in front of the Democratic constituent’s face that he offers nothing by not further asking the group to take down the ad. Probably if McCain would publicly ask the group through the media to take down the ad they would because then it would be against their so said purpose of paying for the ad.
So we need to find a way to say we don’t need to be rescued by McCain’s poor leadership in this situation, don't we?
WE NEED TO ASK THE NORTH CAROLINA MEDIA TO NOT RUN THIS AD FOR THE NC GOP GROUP. LET’S PUT THESE TELEVISIONS STATIONS NAME, ADDRESS AND EMAIL ON THE BLOG. THE OFFICIAL NC GOP OFFICES ADDRESSES AND NAMES TOO... WELL, I MEAN, SINCE THEIR BACKING JOHN MCCAIN.... THEY OUT TO BE AGAINST THE AD TOO, WOULDN’T YOU SAY?
LET’S SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME PEOPLE TO SEND THESE TELEVISION STATION’S A PROTESTING MESSAGE. FIND OUT THE NAMES OF THE ADVERTISING PROGRAM DIRECTORS AT THE TELEVISION STATIONS AND THE NAMES OF THEIR MINISTERS!
ASK THEM TO VERIFY AND PUBLICIZE THE SOURCE OF THE YOU TUBE AD. DID ANYBODY AT THE STATION CHECK THIS YOU TUBE NAME OR GROUP WITH THE KKK PRISON OFFENDERS LIST? I MEAN, DUE TO THE ETHICS OF THE ADVERTISING PROGRAMMING, MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK IF THE STATION’S ALSO TAKE MONEY FOR ADVERTISEMENT'S FOR HIT-MEN?
Wonder what lewd or angry things McCain may have said about the Vietnamese after he was tortured there during the Vietnam war forty years ago that somebody could get on You Tube then take a t.v. Ad out on that a Democratic leader never would only ‘half-speak-against’?
GO OBAMA CAMPAIGN! KEEP FIGHTING THE REPUBLICAN STYLE OF DIVISIVE POLITICS! IT’S GOOD FOR AMERICA!
Posted by ElizabethJW on April 26, 2008 at 04:17 PM
O.K. I just saw Hillary cutting down Barack saying wouldn't it be nice if we could just say the word change, (she say's it real slow and soft) and that would make a difference. She is hurting the party now and in turn the country. I don't expect her to quit, but I do not expect her to damage the potential nominee. Now she says she has more popular votes when she counts MI and FL. She is on tape saying that she is on board that MI and FL don't count. Now she's trying to count them. She also made the statement a couple of weeks ago that the pledged delegates don't have to vote the way their constituants voted. She is all over the map. She say's the people should be heard in MI and FL and their votes should count. Then she turns around and says the pledged delegates, that will be sent to the convention to represent those popular votes, don't have to represent those popular votes. She can't have it both ways, like with the war and Nafta. She has insulted the smaller states by saying they don't matter. Do you think they will vote for her in Nov? Ask yourself, why do the republicans want to run against her instead of barack. They know she will energize the republican base. Apparently, they are all too familiar with these kinds of tricks from the clintons. We will get through the rest of the states, because all of the states in this great country matter and then the superdelegates will move in June and that will be that. My children can't afford for their futures to be ruined by another republican president. This is bigger than Hillary.
Posted by newsjunkie on April 27, 2008 at 01:43 AM
Dear Dr. Dean
The United States should have military forces in Iraq until April 12, 2071. That will include four terms of office by four Democratic Presidents.
Neandertal
Posted by Neandertal on April 28, 2008 at 08:10 PM
Dear Dr. Dean
The United States should have military forces in Iraq until April 12, 2071. That will include four terms of office by four Democratic Presidents.
Neandertal
Posted by Neandertal on April 28, 2008 at 08:12 PM
Barack, if you are listening, tomorrow you must go out and admit that you have had feelings of hate for america's foriegn and domestic policies. Your preacher has it out for you, one week before the biggest primary of your life. There is no way one can believe you could go to "rev. wrights" church and not be buying into some of his feelings of hate. Hate for poverty, hate for hunger, hate for racism, hate for unnecessary wars, hate for jobs gone overseas, hate is a strong word. Deep down inside, I have felt some hate. Not for my country, but for the our current leaders who have sold our country down the road. Hate for the administration that would save a bank, let the CEO off with 40 million in his pocket, but leave millions of homeowners, children, to be out on the streets. We don't want a surprise, tell us the truth and then let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by newsjunkie on April 29, 2008 at 02:10 AM
I would like to say for the entire National Democratic Campaign that after the Republican Bush administration has belittled the American Public, we might all now be more aware of how black people and females have been treated in our past. Reverend Wright’s fowl temper, following the public servants inability to handle public criticism and political exploitation, only increases appreciation for how far both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton have come in America with their leadership qualities.
The media’s political analysts keep documenting that Barrack Obama does not play the race card (as the media puts it). Therefore, I see the Democratic Campaign itself as having an ethical platform to publicly ask John McCain’s Campaign not to allow his constituents to publicly politically play with hypothetical accusations of racism around Barrack Obama’s Campaign.
While John McCain, himself, has made a short public statement against this North Carolina television ad, which only exploits a former pastor of Senator Obama, he needs to get on the phone and literally ask the 527 GOP group to halt their ad. That is, if John McCain, whom we will assume is ‘not’ a racist, doesn’t want to be accused of playing ‘divisive politics around racism’ while he assumes the American Public ‘can’t’ call him a racist while we ‘can’ say he might as well act like one?
(Personally, I lean my support towards Hillary Clinton, simply because I think her administration would more carefully enact national and international policy, but equality issues are the Democratic united base and I won‘t let McCain’s politics divide our base.)
Thank you
Posted by ElizabethJW on April 29, 2008 at 07:53 AM
I think Senator Obama has got caught in a lose-lose situation with respect to the Rev. Wright controversy. The way it is playing will not only damage his candidacy but also his Presidency.
Here is what African Americans should worry about.
If President Obama does anything for African Americans Fox and subsequently all news channels will constantly and incessantly demand to know if there are racial overtones. Everything he does for African Americans will get tied to some of the more inflamatory Sermons of Rev. Wright. Remember how the media went after the Clintons during Bill's presidency. That will seem like a walk in the park.
African Americans really need to ask themselves if there would be more done for them by President Hillary Clinton. There is a track record; President Bill Clinton did a lot for African Americans.
This issue is not about Rev. Wright or what he says or how often he says it or even the way he says it. It is about how Senator Obama has handled the situation. It is about Senator Obama's credibility when he says he didn't know about some of the Sermons, sound bites of which we have seen. It is about judgement. It is very clear Senator Obama has shown extremely bad judgement with respect to the only tough situation he has faced. On the vote on Iraq war he was not in the Senate. It is easy to give a speech and difficult to make tough decisions. In the ABC debate it was very clear he is incapable of taking the heat. His ability to close the deal or come out fighting raises the question if he is tough enough to stand the Republicans in Nov and tough enough to be the Commander-In-Chief in a very difficult world.
Now the dialog should move beyond electoral calculus to ability to win. Without a question, Senator Obama has run a much better campaign compared to Senator Clinton. The question really is if Senator Clinton is a significantly better candidate than Senator Obama. And the super delegates should decide which is more important, a better campaign or a better candidate, which is more important a better speaker or a fighter.
If Senator Obama loses IN and doesn't have a double digit lead in NC, should Senator Obama consider conceding the race?
Posted by SamSarma on April 29, 2008 at 02:53 PM
I just saw on Larry K an obama spokesperson/supporter state that Hillary's methodist church vows that gays can't get to heaven. Will that come out in the general?
The silence is defening, the "evangellical religious right" is silent. Maybe they have learned by voting their religious views got them nothing and the country in a downward spiral. Why are we now tearing ourselves apart over religion. I haven't heard McCain mention one thing about religion. Maybe he will start when we get a nominee. But isn't the silence erry?
Posted by newsjunkie on April 30, 2008 at 12:54 AM
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