Afternoon Open Thread
Posted by Michael Link on May 9, 2008 at 02:53 PM- Cheney: everything going "swimmingly" in Iraq.
- Valerie Plame files appeal "to resurrect lawsuit against Bush Administration."
- CBO shows McCain is wrong on the Webb-Hagel GI Bill.
Chat away...
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Here's another way those lousy Republicans treat the Troops! ALL FOR LIES !!! wonder who these soldiers will be voting for come November????????
US Army's "Stop-Loss" Orders Up Dramatically Over Last YearBy Julian E. Barnes
The Los Angeles Times
Washington - The number of soldiers forced to remain in the Army involuntarily under the military's controversial "stop-loss" program has risen sharply since the Pentagon extended combat tours last year, officials said Thursday.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates was briefed about the program by Army officials who said that thousands of new stop-loss orders were issued to keep soldiers from leaving the service after Gates ordered combat tours extended from 12 to 15 months last spring.
The Army has resorted to involuntary extensions of soldiers' enlistment terms to prevent them from leaving immediately before a combat tour or in the middle of a deployment.
However, many soldiers subjected to the stop-loss policy consider it a backdoor draft. Critics argue that once soldiers have completed the enlistment period they agreed to, they should be allowed to return home. The involuntary retention program is so unpopular that it helped inspire a recent movie called "Stop-Loss."
Posted by PamB on May 9, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Test
Posted by MichaelLink on May 9, 2008 at 04:00 PM
Donna Brazile takes on Paul Begala and wins hands down. Video included.
Donna Brazile takes on Begala over his "eggheads and African Americans" comments
Posted by sunny on May 9, 2008 at 04:15 PM
Where is everyone???
Don't tell me you've all been sucked into the Texas sink hole?????
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 04:16 PM
Michael!! Save yourself!! The Texas sink hole is quickly sweeping across the country!!! It's taken all the bloggers and making it's way to Chicago and heading east towards Wash DC!!! Oh, no, it just swallowed the Chase Bldg. across the street and it wants more!!!! It's heading towards City Hall and planning to gobble up Mayor Daley.
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 04:23 PM
It's heading towards City Hall and planning to gobble up Mayor Daley.
Well, on second thought ...
p.s.: Michael, thanks for new thread but it seems I'm the only one here.
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Posted by PamB on May 9, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Pam, we, as citizens under the Bush regime have "Economic Slavery". In the armed forces, the "Stop Loss" orders are military slavery and a complete breach of the agreement the enlisted men signed. Just another example of one of many of Bush's crimes against humanity committed against our troops.
Posted by goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 04:26 PM
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 04:16 PM
No Puggles, the sink hole is headed from Daisetta, Texas toward Crawford, Texas, just in time for Jenna's wedding.
Pastor Hagee is going to call it Devine Retribution!
Posted by goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 04:31 PM
drove thru town this afternoon and regular was $3.90...mission accomplished!
Posted by gregg on May 9, 2008 at 04:42 PM
Posted by gregg on May 9, 2008 at 04:42 PM
Gregg: I think downtown Chicago has you beat. The one gas station that is closest to Expressway on ramp is over $4.
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 04:46 PM
Pastor Hagee is going to call it Davine Retribution!
Posted by goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 04:31 PM
There will be those who will find that comment hard to understand. I will explain it.
Pastor Hagee has often complained from the pulpit that Bush's middle east peace plan is bogus because it takes land away from the Israelites and gives it to the Palestinians.
That is why, if the Texas sink hole devourers Bush's ranch and Jenna's wedding, Hagee will call it "Davine Retribution"
What he doesn't know is that McCain's real name is McBush and that McCain will give him more of the same. Before this is over, Pastor Hagee will regret giving McCain his endorsement! Especially after he finds out about the drunken orgies and the girls!
Posted by goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 04:53 PM
The sink hole in Texas is just gods way of getting ready for the Bushes to move back. He needs somewhere to store all the crap Bush has been spewing over the last 7 years.
Posted by TMH on May 9, 2008 at 04:54 PM
maybe i should fill up my bathtub with regular and drive it over to the windy city and make some money?
Posted by gregg on May 9, 2008 at 04:57 PM
Posted by gregg on May 9, 2008 at 04:57 PM
Gregg: Sounds like a good plan to me!
Goodfoe: You are too funny!!
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 05:00 PM
Afternoon all
Just a quick hi, and thanks for being here, cause I am working late shift tonight.
I saw on an earlier post "what is John McCain running on?"
Watching his site, it seems that earmarks are big.
Of course, he actually has done nothing about stopping them during his 8 years of being in full power, and Obama has submitted many bills and actually gotten stuff passed, reaching across the isle on transparency, lobbying, earmarks, etc etc
BTW may puggles might be interested. I have posted this before, but she wasn't here--
hi puggles;-)
Since tuesday the Hillary supporters showing up on McCains site is gagging me out.
How could anyone who supported Hillary, want John McCain----they mostly appear to be bigots/racists without actually saying so.
The way they spew lies about Barack, makes me want to hurl.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Blog/Read.aspx?guid=55d6c827-68c3-4d06-82ba-358892082733
I guess it doesn't matter, since they will vote against their best interests to keep out a "muslim" and someone who is going to "give everything" to Kenya, and that he is "kissy kissy" with Iran, and anti american minister and has wife that hates america and he has no experience, and he cheated Hillary, and etc etc etc.
Anyway, sure am happy today.
We are on our way----hang in there Mr. Dean.
kudos, and we must all follow the rules.
My state didn't move up, because it didn't want to pay the consequences.
Posted by highserenity on May 9, 2008 at 05:08 PM
I had a friend call me last Saturday, and she proudly (ahem) proclaimed that she is now a member of the $100.00 fill up club. One of my neighbors stops at the little neighborhood station to get his coffee and newspaper and a pack if smokes on his way to work. The cashier asked him if he wanted gas. He said "not today, but don't change the price until I come in tomorrow." The cashier laughed and said he wouldn't.
The next morning it was up 7 cents a gallon. It's now $3.99 in the burbs, $4.19 in the city ($4.79 for full serve, which only means that they will pump the gas. You still have to clean your own windows.)
Good thing Chimpy is going to Saudi Arabia with his hat in his hand next week. Heck of a job!
Maybe they are PO'd because cousin Bandar wasn't invited to the weekend hoedown and marriage festival.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 9, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 02:32 PM
puggles,
This is exactly why we need a universal health care system. It's all out fraud. There is no regulation. The Republicans designed it that way.
I'm sorry you were swindled. But by sharing this information you are helping us convince working Americans that they must vote for a full slate of Democrats in November.
Posted by SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 05:18 PM
I guess I'm bak,
Where the heck is Dawn these days?
Hello puggles, regarding your Rx's, tell your insurance about it. They might dock the pharmacy's billing for it with an audit. And definitely make a complaint with the state board of pharmacy. They will investigate, perhaps suspend the license for a while if it was fraud, and that would at least inhibit them from doing this to other customers.
Who knows, they might make reimbursement to you as part of the state's conditions for licensure for that pharmacy.
Posted by TomN on May 9, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 9, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Doo-Bee, someone needs to remind those camel humpers in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia that we saved their asses from Saddam and that they need to quit screwing the American people otherwise we may just let UBL take over their "Royal Families" You and I know just what kind of treatment they would receive from him.
Posted by goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Update:
Floridians still don't count.
Howard Dean is still head of DNC.
Voting in the Democratic Primary is still not a right. Its a priviledge to be taken away.
No mention of reforming the primary system that favors Iowa and New Hampshire unfairly has been made that I've seen.
If the Democrats want to win Florida the DNC better start doing SOMETHING! I for one can't remain in a party that doesn't count my vote. That would be kind of stupid don't you think?
Posted by Bamboozled on May 9, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Posted by PamB on May 9, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Stop-Loss was engendered to ensure a sufficient standing military while we geared up(including re-instituting the draft) for an National emergency. It was not envisioned as a way to maintain the military during an artificially created "emergency" such as the "war" in Iraq.
As Stop-Loss is being used now it is nothing more than a form of indentured servitude, and should be brought to a halt along with this illegal "war".
The Bush Administration is too gutless to stand up and admit that they can't meet their humanpower goals without the draft, so they are holding our military against their will. It's basically a cheap and hypocritical way to do it, and shows the basic disregard for the people who volunteered to put their lives on the line for the Busiato's lies.
Posted by Butte on May 9, 2008 at 05:30 PM
To all who responded, thanks. Some good ideas.
If anyone posts anything with Hillary bashing, sorry, but I'll just pass over. I never bashed Obama so would appreciate Hillary bashers not post any negs. Have a bit of respect please -- she'll be out within the next couple of weeks. Just bite your tongues until then.
Just saw this posting by the AP. I call it race baiting.
Records show Sharpton owes overdue taxes, other penaltiesBy DAVID B. CARUSO Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - Big corporations give him money. Presidential candidates seek his endorsement. He has influential friends in Congress and the governor's mansion.
The Rev. Al Sharpton has emerged over the past decade as perhaps the nation's most prominent civil rights leader, a status that was demonstrated again this week when he led protests against police brutality that briefly shut down six of Manhattan's major bridges and tunnels.
But he still carries baggage from his early days as a fire-breathing agitator: Government records obtained by The Associated Press indicate that Sharpton and his business entities owe nearly $1.5 million in overdue taxes and associated penalties.http://news.findlaw.com/ap_stories/other/1110/05-09-2008/20080509142002_04.html
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Have a good evening everyone. Heading home in a few minutes to go frolic with the furry little beasts. They've been whispering for last few days making secret plans for Mother's Day.
For those that are celebrating this weekend, Happy Mother's Day to each and all.
Posted by puggles on May 9, 2008 at 05:53 PM
Posted by Bamboozled on May 9, 2008 at 05:29 PM
What is "stupid" is your rant. Your vote did count. The award was zero delegates. She got her zero. Let it go.
All the candidates knew that and signed a pledge to that effect.
Also, the reason that NH goes first is because It is in their State Constitution
She even admitted on tape to New Hampshire Public Radio that "Michigan won't count"
She is mathematically eliminated. Get over it.
Why are you advocating retroactive immunity for the telecom companies? Don't you like the Bill of Rights?
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 9, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Hi, John Boy.
Why is it so hard for Hillary to come to the same conclusion that John Edwards, Dodd, Bidden, Richardson, etc. came to at some point in their campaigns?
I know she has wanted this her whole political life, but we can't always have what we want when we want it. Those of us who work in the public sector (instead of from inside the insulation of secular politics) figured it out a long time ago...espeically in this post-NAFTA world.
There comes a time when you realize that it's not going to happen the way you wanted. Most of the time it's because you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's not because you or others have it all wrong.
So you take the lemons and make lemonade. Drink up, Hillary. There are still good things ahead for you...really.
Embrace the future. Don't fight it. There will be new opportunities. But you might miss some of them if you continue fighting for what is just not in the cards for you this time around.
I'm a firm believer that you can have almost all of what you want in life (if you are honest and hardworking) but not all at once or when you think you should have it.
The Lord determines when and how much you get...you can't create your own reality. Look at what Bush has done by insisting that you can!
Have a great weekend, everyone. I'm signing out.
Good evening, all.
Posted by SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 05:55 PM
drove thru town this afternoon and regular was $3.90...mission accomplished!
Posted by gregg on May 9, 2008 at 04:42 PM
I paid $3.919 yesterday, gregg ! The high test my daughter uses, was $4.599.
If NOTHING else, this is the issue which will kill off the Republican party! Just keep reminding people, how Bush's occupation and tax welfare to Oil corporations has us by the short hairs and to vote Democratic!!
Posted by PamB on May 9, 2008 at 06:01 PM
puggles
I did not say anything about Hillary
Can I pleeeeaaaaz be ALLOWED to bash Hillary supporters who are joining forces with McCain?
Posted by highserenity on May 9, 2008 at 06:01 PM
Maybe they are PO'd because cousin Bandar wasn't invited to the weekend hoedown and marriage festival.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 9, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Do you think Spunky will demonstrate the Sword Dance for everyone after he's tossed back a few at the reception?
Do you think they will make Cheney check his blunderbuss at the door so he doesn't shoot another lawyer?
Will Larry Craig be acting as the restroom attendant? I can imagine him now offering hot towels and mints as the male wedding guests return to the reception.
No wonder Bandar is not attending.
Bye.
Posted by SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 06:04 PM
Obama picks up 9 superdelegates, union endorsement
He picked up six more since the last time I looked.
It is so glorious to have a positive going Democratic Party, so now we need to concentrate on McCain. I think we are rebounding back to a Declaration of Independence Inaugural Party, Let US welcome back the patriots of "We the people" control in restoring the Constitution from Executive Privilege "At Will" Bush autocracy.
Posted by YoungPoet on May 9, 2008 at 06:11 PM
Letters to the FCC are a start. I'm expecting and hoping for much more. This would appear to be a vast conspiracy to take the US into an illegal war for profit.
Someone has got to put it all together and make charges if we are to have any expectation of not going down this bloody road again. And for justice.
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Congress Begins to Take Action on Propaganda
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StopBigMedia.com, May 9, 2008
By Megan Tady
One by one, members of Congress are demanding an investigation into the Pentagon's covert scheme to sway public opinion about the Iraq war by placing propaganda pundits in the media.
Since we first launched our petition urging Congress to act, 41 representatives have appealed to the Pentagon’s inspector general to investigate the Defense Department. Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) called the propaganda program an “unethical, and potentially illegal, propaganda campaign aimed at deliberately misleading the American public.”
Recognizing that the Pentagon did not act alone, some in Congress don’t want to allow the military analysts and the media networks to slink out the back door. Congresswoman Delauro and Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) are appealing to the Federal Communications Commission to probe whether networks violated the FCC's "sponsorship identification rules" when analysts working from Pentagon talking points and working for military contractors appeared in broadcasts.
Their letter to the FCC states: “When seemingly objective television commentators are in fact highly motivated to promote the agenda of a government agency, a gross violation of the public trust occurs,” it continued. “The American people should never be subject to a covert propaganda campaign but rather should be clearly notified of who is sponsoring what they are watching.”
www.freepress.net/node/39703
Posted by TomN on May 9, 2008 at 06:28 PM
Quite the article on the political corruption of the CIA intelligence from the Reagan admin and Robert Gates through today's CIA's twisted reality intel:
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Losing the War for Reality
By Robert Parry
April 8, 2008
When future historians look back at the sharp decline of the United States in the early 21st Century, they might identify the Achilles heel of this seemingly omnipotent nation as its lost ability to recognize reality and to fashion policies to face the real world.
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What the Founders did not anticipate, however, was how fragile truth could become in a modern age of excessive government secrecy, hired-gun public relations and big-money media. Sophisticated manipulation of information is what would do the Republic in.
That is the crucial lesson for understanding the arc of U.S. history over the past three decades. It is a central theme of a new book by former CIA analyst Melvin A. Goodman, Failure of Intelligence: The Decline and Fall of the CIA.
As a senior Kremlinologist in the CIA’s office of Soviet analysis, Goodman was on the front lines of the information war in the early 1980s when ideological right-wingers took control of the U.S. government under Ronald Reagan and began to gut the key institutions for assessing reality.
One of the target institutions was the national press corps, which came under sustained assault from the Right – with reporters facing accusations of disloyalty and “liberal bias” from both inside the Reagan administration and from well-financed right-wing attack groups. [For details, see Robert Parry’s Lost History or Secrecy & Privilege.]
Another key institution on the Right’s radar scope was the CIA’s analytical division, which was responsible for supplying objective information about the world’s dangers to senior government officials.
Posted by TomN on May 9, 2008 at 06:37 PM
Failures, Incompetence, Lies !!!
Al Qaeda in Iraq leader not captured - U.S
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/08/iraq.alqaeda/index.html
Posted by PamB on May 9, 2008 at 07:16 PM
You spelled your name wrong, but who cares about typos?
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 9, 2008 at 07:17 PM
PamB,I just wanted you and others know this info in case you don`t already.After talking with 2 Marines, I was told by one who was recalled after getting out completely from the military that he had no choice.He has to go back in for his 4th tour even though he has been clinically diagnosed with PSTD. After all he has given,he is barely able to hold his family together.Yet,it matters not to the military!This was in deed verified by a second marine that I talked to later that day.
Posted by virgo on May 9, 2008 at 08:39 PM
Marines will honor their agreements and apparently this is written in their agreement.The second marine said this soldiers mistake was not hooking up with a reserve or guard unit.My question is how does a guy with PSTD have the ability to figure this out?Depending on the severity and all.
Posted by virgo on May 9, 2008 at 08:51 PM
Puggles,
I voted for Obama. But I do know math and zero equals not counting. Its the same as if we took a poll of my high school Freshmen government students. It doesn't count either. I vote that doesn't count is not voting.
I don't care what the DNC or the Florida Democratic Party or the candidates said. I don't know any of those people, and none of them asked me if it was OK with me to give up my vote.
ITS MY RIGHT TO VOTE and nobody should be able to take that away. Thats what a "right" is, its something that can't be taken no matter what.
Posted by Bamboozled on May 9, 2008 at 09:04 PM
Terry: take off your hat and go home!
TERRY MCAULIFFE: Well first of all, as you know Mark, both of them, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are themselves going to have to decide who they think is going to be their best Vice President. For the rest of us it's speculation and presumption and all that.I'm just -- I'll put on my former chairman of the Democratic Party hat -- I think it's a great idea at the end of this process for us all to be together...
I do get excited about the possibility of having Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton crisscrossing this country in the fall of 2008. I think that would be pretty exciting. But I have absolutely no say in it. Hillary Clinton and I have never talked about it. But as former chairman of the party it does get you somewhat excited.
no, Terry. as a former chairman of the party who got filthy rich, you get excited at the prospect of four more years. no. no. no.
i'm so not excited. i used to like Terry but he just doesn't know when to say when. and if he's never discussed this with Hilary, John Hall can't win re-election without her. or Zack Space.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 09:20 PM
The Powerpoint: She Wins Tough Districts.
Joe Conason: Wallace?
Conason has been close to the Clintons for years, an admirer. Possibly, soon to be a former admirer.
old rural voters. hard-working white workers.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 09:25 PM
Which Is It? Blue Dogs or Red Dogs?
by BarbinMD
Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:00:24 PM PDT
It's time to draw a line in the sand. There are forty-seven members of the Blue Dog Democrats, and we need to know which ones support the U.S. troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan and which ones agree with Rep. John Tanner that they are nothing more than deficit-enhancing debris. This is what Mr. Tanner had to say when announcing the plan by a segment of the Blue Dogs to block a vote on the GI Bill of Rights:
Some of us oppose creating a new entitlement program in an emergency spending bill, whether it’s butchers, bakers or candlestick-makers.
A group that has voted time after time to support George Bush's war, at a cost of over $500 billion dollars, now dismisses the men and women who risked their lives as candlestick-makers who don't deserve money to go to college? The Blue Dog's reason? Because their budgetary rule of pay-as-you-go has "been ignored one too many times." Yes, these champions of fiscal responsibility are fine with George Bush's twice-a-year $100 billion "supplementals," they are fine with billions going to Halliburton and Blackwater, but when it comes to providing a benefit to the people who fought in the war that the Blue Dogs supported, well, to hell with the troops.
The Blue Dogs only need 15 votes to block a vote on this measure which scheduled to come up next week, and when asked if they had enough members opposing the bill, Blue Dog leader Rep. Allen Boyd (D-FL) said:
"There’s 47 of us, what do you think?"
I think that out of the 292 co-sponsors of the bill , 36 are Blue Dog Democrats, which means one of two things: either Tanner and Boyd plan to join forces with Republicans to kill this bill, or there are at least 4 Blue Dogs who don't have the courage to stand by their convictions and do the right thing.
It's time to find out where the Blue Dogs stand. Do they stand with the troops or do they stand with George Bush, John McCain and the Blue Dogs who dismiss the troops as "candlestick-makers" who don't deserve benefits when they return from war? Call and ask if they intend to help block H.R. 5740.
Mike Arcuri: (202) 225-3665
Joe Baca: (202) 225-6161
John Barrow: (202) 225-2823
Melissa Bean: (202) 225-3711
Marion Berry: (202) 225-4076
Sanford Bishop: (202) 225-3631
Dan Boren: (202) 225-2701
Leonard Boswell: (202) 225-3806
Allen Boyd: (202) 225-5235
Dennis Cardoza: (202) 225-6131
Christopher Carney: (202) 225-3731
Ben Chandler: (202) 225-4706
Jim Cooper: (202) 225-4311
Jim Costa: (202) 225-3341
Bud Cramer: (202) 225-4801
Lincoln Davis: (202) 225-6831
Joe Donnelly: (202) 225-3915
Brad Ellsworth: (202) 225-4636
Gabrille Giffords: (202) 225-2542
Kirsten Gillibrand: (202) 225-5614
Bart Gordon: (202) 225-4231
Jane Harman: (202) 225 8220
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin: (202) 225-2801
Baron Hill: (202) 225-5315
Tim Holden: (202) 225-5546
Steve Israel: (202) 225-4669
Nick Lampson: (202) 225-5951
Tim Mahoney: (202) 225-5792
Jim Marshal: (202) 225-6531
Jim Matheson: (202) 225-3011
Mike McIntyre: (202) 225-2731
Charlie Melancon: (202) 225-4031
Michael Michaud: (202) 225-6306
Dennis Moore: (202) 225-2865
Patrick Murphy: (202) 225-4276
Collin Peterson: (202) 225-2165
Earl Pomeroy: (202) 225-2611
Mike Ross: 1-800-223-2220
John Salazar: (202) 225-4761
Loretta Sanchez: (202) 225-2965
Adam Schiff: (202) 225-4176
David Scott: (202) 225-2939
Heath Shuler: (202) 225-6401
Zack Space: (202) 225-6265
John Tanner: (202) 225-4714
Gene Taylor: (202) 225-5772
Mike Thompson: (202) 225-3311
Charlie Wilson: (202) 225-5705
* :: The names in bold are people I supported, made phone calls and gave campaign donations.
I will call them to remind them of that and find out where they stand. We need more progressive Democrats. Real Democrats. This is infuriating!
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 09:49 PM
Which Is It? Blue Dogs or Red Dogs?
by BarbinMD
Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:00:24 PM PDT
It's time to draw a line in the sand. There are forty-seven members of the Blue Dog Democrats, and we need to know which ones support the U.S. troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan and which ones agree with Rep. John Tanner that they are nothing more than deficit-enhancing debris. This is what Mr. Tanner had to say when announcing the plan by a segment of the Blue Dogs to block a vote on the GI Bill of Rights:
Some of us oppose creating a new entitlement program in an emergency spending bill, whether it’s butchers, bakers or candlestick-makers.
A group that has voted time after time to support George Bush's war, at a cost of over $500 billion dollars, now dismisses the men and women who risked their lives as candlestick-makers who don't deserve money to go to college? The Blue Dog's reason? Because their budgetary rule of pay-as-you-go has "been ignored one too many times." Yes, these champions of fiscal responsibility are fine with George Bush's twice-a-year $100 billion "supplementals," they are fine with billions going to Halliburton and Blackwater, but when it comes to providing a benefit to the people who fought in the war that the Blue Dogs supported, well, to hell with the troops.
The Blue Dogs only need 15 votes to block a vote on this measure which scheduled to come up next week, and when asked if they had enough members opposing the bill, Blue Dog leader Rep. Allen Boyd (D-FL) said:
"There’s 47 of us, what do you think?"
I think that out of the 292 co-sponsors of the bill , 36 are Blue Dog Democrats, which means one of two things: either Tanner and Boyd plan to join forces with Republicans to kill this bill, or there are at least 4 Blue Dogs who don't have the courage to stand by their convictions and do the right thing.
It's time to find out where the Blue Dogs stand. Do they stand with the troops or do they stand with George Bush, John McCain and the Blue Dogs who dismiss the troops as "candlestick-makers" who don't deserve benefits when they return from war? Call and ask if they intend to help block H.R. 5740.
Mike Arcuri: (202) 225-3665
Joe Baca: (202) 225-6161
John Barrow: (202) 225-2823
Melissa Bean: (202) 225-3711
Marion Berry: (202) 225-4076
Sanford Bishop: (202) 225-3631
Dan Boren: (202) 225-2701
Leonard Boswell: (202) 225-3806
Allen Boyd: (202) 225-5235
Dennis Cardoza: (202) 225-6131
Christopher Carney: (202) 225-3731
Ben Chandler: (202) 225-4706
Jim Cooper: (202) 225-4311
Jim Costa: (202) 225-3341
Bud Cramer: (202) 225-4801
Lincoln Davis: (202) 225-6831
Joe Donnelly: (202) 225-3915
Brad Ellsworth: (202) 225-4636
Gabrille Giffords: (202) 225-2542
Kirsten Gillibrand: (202) 225-5614
Bart Gordon: (202) 225-4231
Jane Harman: (202) 225 8220
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin: (202) 225-2801
Baron Hill: (202) 225-5315
Tim Holden: (202) 225-5546
Steve Israel: (202) 225-4669
Nick Lampson: (202) 225-5951
Tim Mahoney: (202) 225-5792
Jim Marshal: (202) 225-6531
Jim Matheson: (202) 225-3011
Mike McIntyre: (202) 225-2731
Charlie Melancon: (202) 225-4031
Michael Michaud: (202) 225-6306
Dennis Moore: (202) 225-2865
Patrick Murphy: (202) 225-4276
Collin Peterson: (202) 225-2165
Earl Pomeroy: (202) 225-2611
Mike Ross: 1-800-223-2220
John Salazar: (202) 225-4761
Loretta Sanchez: (202) 225-2965
Adam Schiff: (202) 225-4176
David Scott: (202) 225-2939
Heath Shuler: (202) 225-6401
Zack Space: (202) 225-6265
John Tanner: (202) 225-4714
Gene Taylor: (202) 225-5772
Mike Thompson: (202) 225-3311
Charlie Wilson: (202) 225-5705
* :: The names in bold are people I supported, made phone calls and gave campaign donations.
I will call them to remind them of that and find out where they stand. We need more progressive Democrats. Real Democrats. This is infuriating!
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 09:50 PM
Clinton Goes After Obama, Slams Health Care Plan
Clinton continues attacks on Democratic nominee Obama
by Joe Sudbay
It's still happening.
She can't help herself. Before any Clinton supporter tells anyone to back off, they should tell their candidate to stop the negative attacks on our presumptive nominee. And, all those people who thought she needed to take some time to "process" the situation (which is a very bizarre concept, by the way)....well, she's using that time to attack Obama.
By letting Hillary continue her assault on Obama, her supporters and her campaign are all aiding and abetting McCain and his quest for a third Bush term. We'd much rather be fighting the battle against McCain. But, it's the "deluded also-ran" (the AP's words, not mine) who keeps the intra-party fight going.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 09:56 PM
By McLame's own submission, our "worst nightmare".
Posted by davidual on May 9, 2008 at 09:56 PM
Thanks for the memories
by John Aravosis
In a nostalgic mood, DailyKos looks back on some of the highlights of Hillary's now-defunct for the presidency:
Who could forget:
* Geraldine Ferraro's claim that Obama has an unfair advantage because he was black.
* Bob Kerrey's happiness that Barack Hussein Obama attended a madrassa and had all that experience with Muslims.
* Billy Shaheen's concern over Obama's use of drugs and possible questions on whether he was ever a drug dealer.
* Andrew Cuomo saying that "You can't shuck and jive," in reference to Obama.
* And of course the First Surrogate, Bill Clinton, comparing Obama's win in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson's wins in the 1980's, and then being shocked at the suggestion that he was trying to paint Obama as "the black candidate."
Sniff. We're gonna miss you guys! Now go away. Seriously.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM
and don't take our donations with you to pay off Penn and the outrageous debts, either. oh, never mind:
Under federal campaign finance law, the Obama campaign cannot directly
pay off Clinton's debts, or the $11.43 million she has loaned the campaign,
because that would violate campaign contribution limits. But if Obama is the
nominee, he and his donor base could provide invaluable help to her in
raising money through signed appeals, joint fundraisers and by other
methods.
link
The law says:
Any person who was a candidate and has a campaign debt from an election that has ended may solicit funds and hold fundraisers to retire the campaign debt
.
The contributions received shall be treated as campaign contributions to the person's previous campaign, and all campaign contribution limits shall continue to apply.
Which means that there still is a $2300 limit.
And the most important part of the law is:
Contributors shall be given notice that the campaign contributions are for the purpose of retiring a campaign debt. Any invitation to or notice of a fundraiser to retire a campaign debt of a previous campaign shall state that the funds are to retire a campaign debt.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Posted by davidual on May 9, 2008 at 09:56 PM
Hi David!
The comments on that story are hilarious! The wet dream theme kept rising up.
McNuts and his Straight Jacket Express are getting free media lovin' and it's high time the "reverand" Rod-we-get-off-on-war-Parsley is given the same face-time as Rev. Wright.
Wow, Parsley and Haggee--which one is mcNuttier? What a gift that remains unopened by Timmah, the Hill Shill Geo StuffinEnvelopes, Tweety and the crew.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 10:26 PM
from a Superdelegate after the flood:
"I spent my entire life in the two reddest states in the entire U.S. so please excuse me if I fail to discern the nuances of the arguments sent my way this evening in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign to intimidate the remaining unpledged delegates by threatening to leave the party and vote for a third Bush term if I and others like me don't vote for Sen. Clinton," wrote the exasperated superdelegate. "I have been uncommitted throughout this campaign because I wanted to see how the candidates performed in a variety of settings. I am proud of them both. But I am horrified by this effort to threaten votes for McCain if super delegates don't vote for Sen. Clinton. I have received hundreds of emails from both sides - but I can say without exception that I have not received a single email from an Obama supporter that threatened a vote for McCain if I didn't support Sen. Obama. You really ought to be ashamed."
UPDATE:
Phil Singer, a spokesman for Clinton, emails to say that the campaign knows nothing about the emails. Meanwhile, two readers write in to say they saw the campaign being coordinated at the friendly Clinton website Hillaryis44.org, as well as the blog page on Clinton's own website.
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM
hey, think we can get this guy to find those "missing emails" from the White House computers? those millions and millions of emails that are lost in space, thanks to the Geek Squad?
Data from Columbia disk drives survived the shuttle accident
By BRIAN BERGSTEIN AP Technology Writer
Jon Edwards often manages what appears impossible. He has recovered precious data from computers wrecked in floods and fires and dumped in lakes. Now Edwards may have set a new standard: He found information on a melted disk drive that fell from the sky when space shuttle Columbia disintegrated in 2003.
"When we got it, it was two hunks of metal stuck together. We couldn't even tell it was a hard drive. It was burned and the edges were melted," said Edwards, an engineer at Kroll Ontrack Inc., outside Minneapolis. "It looked pretty bad at first glance, but we always give it a shot."
Posted by fade2bluz on May 9, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Democrats:
I'm worried about the upcoming primary in WV. What are your thoughts on this? I wish we would just unite behind Obama. He is clearly the best candidate. That said, I'm nervous WV will throw another wrench into the nomination process.
Posted by Kev on May 10, 2008 at 12:55 AM
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