How's about if we make the West Virginia primary winner-takes-all for the Democratic nomination? After all, West Virginia put JFK in the White House. C'mon, West Virginia! Make Hillary Clinton the next president of the United States!

Posted by anne_smith on May 12, 2008 at 01:54 PM

This is just a joke, right? MAKE HC the next president? 28 delegates is a take all?

I'm waiting to read who the big donors are that will bail out her $20 million debt her campaign has incurred.

Good afternoon fellow Democrats.

Obama \ Clinton 2008

Yes we can!

Si se puede!

Change we can believe in!

Sen. Clinton's website.

Blue, It is always the most naive, gullible who vote against themselves, time after time.

I refuse to believe that so many people could be so stupid. I question the partisan voting machine companies ADMINISTERING THE ELECTION, AND COUNTING THE VOTES.

btw, now that McCain is being promoted by the MSM as going after the AA vote, many people will not be surprised if he gets 10-35%. And with no paper trail, what are dems going to do? It looks like McCain and Republicans are laying the groundwork for vote-flipping is AA areas.

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 7, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Partisan voting machine companies? They are election officials who are under oath that program, administer, and count the votes. If you are so concerned, work at the polls. that is where the likelihood of fraud would occur. If you want a paper trail, encourage everyone to vote by mail with an optical scan ballot.

Now please, don't question my & my peers integrity.

The more I look at the data Link the more I am convinced that Obama has shown considerable support among white voters.

The truth is that Obama had to have this support to win Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Maryland, and Virginia. Also, without the support of a large percentage of the white populations of Georgia, and Louisiana Obama could not have won. And in Georgia that support went up to 43%.

Obama: Wins in 29, mostly white states.

Clinton: Wins in 18 mostly white states.

Who does that make more successful among white voters?

Afternoon Dems.

Obama/Tester (or someone like him)

Obama will probably get around 95 dels from the rest of the races and Hillary will get close to 120. A net of 25, no where near enough, but Obama will only need around 55 more Supers to win the Nomination.

Lets focus on McCain. I don't think it would be good for Obama to follow McCain around to town hall meetings. We do not want to put McCain on a level playing field with Obama. The four or five Smackdown Debates will be enough to show McCain is McSame and incompetent.

Posted by Marine on May 12, 2008 at 03:19 PM
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Well, whatdoyaknow----just saw this posted on other blog and think it is the "tricks" you were talking about watching out for.
Read about half way through and was laughing out loud.
http://saywhatyoureallymean.blogspot.com/2008/05/if-what-i-am-seeing-takes-root-barack.html

Even go so far as to remove the states of South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, and the District of Columbia from that list (due to their large Black populations) and we still have Obama winning in 23 states to Clinton's 18. Again, this shows Obama winning even after having ignored the "Black Vote".

Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 04:51 PM

Total Hillary Supporter Rhetoric. All subjective, no facts. It is because of Rhetoric like this, Hillary can not be the VP, Obama has to choose a gun-toting, church-going, blue collar, outdoorsman as a VP and Hillary and Bill MUST support the ticket 100% in order for the Dems to have the best chance of winning in November.

My suggestion for VP is someone like Sen. John Tester (D-MT).

Posted by TMH on May 12, 2008 at 05:07 PM

Sen. Tester (D-MT) is not a bad idea but, it would probably feed into the so-called inexperience factor. My recommendation would be for someone like GEN Clark or Sen. Biden (D-DE) if Sen. Clinton (D-NY) does not accept.

Now we're going to see the fecal matter hit the rotary ocillator.

See this guy?
Bob Barr

As many unhappy people as there are running around both in terms of GOPers unhappy with McKook AS WELL AS Dems who hold grudges from the primaries, this guy could soak up a few votes.

While, as usual there is not gonna be a winner on a 3rd party ticket, he may very well provide a hop off point for the generally unhappy to make their political point. He's spending money and hiring the right people.

He could very well wind up being bad news for a lot of people. This is where Hillary hanging in there longer rather than bailing sooner may begin to really cost us dearly.

The only question is where will he suck off more votes? With all the political bad mood running across the board, all I can say is: "Anyone got a quarter to flip?"

Posted by TMH on May 12, 2008 at 05:07 PM
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I think republican

Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 04:51 PM

By the time the general election rolls around these "loyalists" will have all turned blue and passed out from holding their collective breaths, so I'm not going to worry too much. Now, if they instead stomp their feet and go off in a huff, that might change my mind....and may explain the recent cyclones and earthquakes. Grow up children.

How does Barr differ from Paul?

Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 05:42 PM

There are virtually no differences. Both are money-worshipping Libertarians.

I show Obama with 19 Strong states for a total of 248 Electors. They are: California, Connecticutt, Deleware, DC, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachuttes, Michigan, Minnasota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and Wisconsin.

Hillare I have with 17 strong states for 206 Electors. Same as Obamas plus Arkansas, and without Michigan, Minnesota, Washington and Wisconsin - She is currently behind in the polls in these states.

With Obama there are 15 Strong Republican states for 111 Electors, while there are 26 against Hillary for 233 Electors. The main reason for this is Hillary's Big State Strategy where she writes off the states with low electors. Obama has a 50 state strategy to bring more states into play.

Obama could win an additional 17 states for 179 extra Electors. They are: Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

Clinton, because of her big state strategy will only battle in 9 extra states for 99 Electors: Washington, Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, Ohio, Tennessee, and Ill even throw in West Virginia.

Obama has 248 strong with 179 extra he could win which puts 427 Elecors at play.

Hillary has 206 strong with 99 extra she could win which only puts 305 Electors at play.

Obama has the better chance in the General Election. Finally with all due respect, NO Democrat will win Florida, if it is a must win then they will lose.

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 12, 2008 at 05:47 PM

Bob: I left you a post the other day thanking you for the wake up call about campaigning for Bob Tuke for Senator. I hope that you got it! Thank you so much, again, for making me remember what is really important. I have already formally volunteered and printed out stuff from the internet and talked to people over the weekend. I don't know if I am making any headway with them but at least I'm out there trying!

Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 12, 2008 at 05:18 PM

inexperience yes, but goes with the message of change. Gen. Clark would be an excellent choice, but he will have to really connect with the Hillary supporters.

With Hillary and her supporters continuously resounding "He cant win the working class voters," I believe has polarized Obama. Since Hillary herself is polarized, then an Obama/Clinton ticket could lose between 30% to 50% of those who voted for both candidates. That is why I say Hillary can not be on the ticket but must support the ticket 100%.

So Obama needs a gun toting, church going, outdoorsman, working class running mate.

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Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 05:31 PM

I agree, republicans, but also some of Hillary's supporters that are not die hard democrats.

Now, if they instead stomp their feet and go off in a huff, that might change my mind....and may explain the recent cyclones and earthquakes. Grow up children.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on May 12, 2008 at 05:38 PM

lol.... nice

Good afternoon, all.

McCain missing every "major" environment vote, according to an article at Raw Story.

Is this the same environmental crusader who today was saying he would not wait eight long years to act on this problem? But according to his voting record, that's exactly what he did the last eight years.

He forgot how he voted? Or he hopes we don't remember?

There is one difference Bush made; if you use Free Speech, you pay dearly for it. Look at the unions, the civil rights organizations, the Church's, and Civil Liberties that all have to pay for Bush's Patriot Act Intelligence of Mission Accomplished "Lies" for daring to say "We the people" need the divine "Truth," so help me God. Explain to me why some Democrats live their lives in fear of taking on Bushism autocracy.

Politicians rather attack, what is in your lap, while you are driving or how baggy pants your pants are than attack the real issues affecting "Made in America" needs. Yes, these Tali-bana's, who rather strike down Civil Liberties for Faux news media glorification, as somehow greater than thou purist American egocentrics morons.

I never would have thought America would digress where a magic trick would cost one's job, or Corporate America would ban a love of the HeArt of Art within the American home. God, can you feel the pain of body bag Poetry words being hidden, as being somehow "Obscene."

Yes, America you have changed and the world and "We the people" are not any better for it. Like Iraq's Vietnam, we are traversing back past the MLK dream, past Camelot, past desegregation and segregating again upon Conservative Judges, who hate over love.

That is why is important to have Obama win, to reinvest in the American dream, where our children are blessed with jobs and an education system par excellence. He cannot do it alone, it will require a magical dream team dedicated to Constitutional principles of diversity of equality, where “We the people” own this Government and its politicians, who will honor and respect our History and Heritage of founding father believes.

We need to be teaching the Constitution in our schools, it seems some of our Politicians are ignorant of it. It seems we now have Bush’s Faux Freedom and Democracy.

Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The populist revolution has begun.

This just popped up on my Yahoo page.
Look for the rest of the story on Yahoo.

Ex-State officials allege corruption coverup
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer 5 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration repeatedly ignored corruption at the highest levels within the Iraqi government and kept secret potentially embarrassing information so as not to undermine its relationship with Baghdad, according to two former State Department employees.

Arthur Brennan, who briefly served in Baghdad as head of the department's Office of Accountability and Transparency last year, and James Mattil, who worked as the chief of staff, told Senate Democrats on Monday that their office was understaffed and its warnings and recommendations ignored.

The VP candidate needs to be decided by the ABC rule. Anybody But Clinton!!!

I'm waiting to read who the big donors are that will bail out her $20 million debt her campaign has incurred.

Posted by Esmeralda on May 12, 2008 at 04:19 PM

Essie,

The pundits would like us to think that the Obama campaign will take the small contributions made by his supporters to support Hillary's Long Good Bye.

My question is: Shouldn't we be putting that $20 million dollars (and growing by the millions daily) toward the Democratic Congressional campaign?

Isn't winning a Super Majority a top priority?

Bill Clinton never seemed to care too much about getting any Democrat elected except himself, but you would think Hillary would know the importance as she has served in a Democractic Congress without a majority...and knows how badly it hurts furthering our agenda.

Imho, if Hillary wants to continue running, she should pay for it herself using Bill's earnings as lobbyist for a foreign dictator.

Some comments of Bill Clinton in West Virginia. Better left unsaid.

Bill Clinton in WV......he went down some roads that were best left untraveled.

Now the celebrities are implying that it was the media that chose Obama and not the people! Astounding! They really don't want this guy elected. They know the people distrust the media as much as they distrust government and politicians, so by saying the media "annointed" him, they plant the seeds of his distruction. "Slicker than snot," is the phrase that comes to mind. Steady-on guys. Continue to consider the source and stay active!

Posted by highserenity on May 12, 2008 at 04:51 PM

high,

So the Right would like us to think that the prevailing issue with Clinton's supporters is Obama's qualifications...

not health care, ending the occupation, lowering the deficit, stopping outsourcing and illegal immigration, and hunting down al Queada?

That's a regular riot.

They would have us all think that Democrats will vote against solving the mounting problems affecting this country and vote for stereotypes? That may be true of the cynical GOP base, but not the hopeful Democratic base.

And our base is growing with first time voters, Independents, and disgusted Reagan Democrats...and probably some Libertarians as well.

Americans of all persuations are running away from the GOP Politics of Fear, because they are more afraid of what Republicans will do if they remain in power.

A third Bush term and GOP Congress? "Oh my, no," the nation crys in unison...Hillary Clinton included.

Evening all good Dems,

mclame is a joke. We were watching the Hallmark channel yesterday which is a family channel. They aired a mclame political ad for mothers day.

The scene opens with mclame and his mother sitting side by side. He has an angelic look on his face. His mother says - "I think johnnie would make a good president".

That was it. What a laugh. I wonder why she didn't say "Johnnie is a good boy and you should vote for Him".

What a laugh. He is a joke.

Posted by TMH on May 12, 2008 at 06:01 PM
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Interesting trying to figure out who is who, but the message is consistant---
entertaining if nothing else.
Don't try to go in with facts---I have watched a few try

http://www.johnmccain.com/Blog/Read.aspx?guid=54596ce0-dd48-43a6-8909-3c14594f70ff

I thought that Hillary might be a good, VP but then I forget you get a Clinton with it. He would be like Putin in Russia, choreographing everything here, like he did Hillary's campaign, a very talented woman, who sometimes needs a muzzle for those around her.

Obama do your magical tricks with real "We the people" solutions, but do no take a toothpick to Florida and make it disappear and reappear.

Is this the same environmental crusader who today was saying he would not wait eight long years to act on this problem?

Posted by SandyH on May 12, 2008 at 06:11 PM

Sandy, I was LMAO watching Mccain on TV today, loudly declaring what a terrible problem Global Warming is, and how we have to act on it. My husband asked what was so funny, and I said "THIS is all the Right wing nutcases have to vote for this Fall!" Right after he gives amnesty to all the illegals in this country, he shall get to work on cleaning up the environment and stopping Global warming and signing the Kyota Treaty! How SWEEEEET is this? There Finally is justice !

mmmmmmmmm
I find that no one supporting McCain (see previous link) want to promote their candidate and talk about issues or policys anymore.
Wonder why, may be because anything posted due to flip flops can be countered?

One person came on today and tryed to talk about McCain's new opponent, Barr, and -----no luck---
just vitriolic untrue attacks at Barack and Michelle.
That wasn't going on as much before last Tuesday, when the Hillary people stormed in, and took over the site.

I have gotten quite an education on new web sites put up for this purpose that I never would have known about when they do bother to post a link for the sources.

I find that no one supporting McCain (see previous link) want to promote their candidate and talk about issues or policys anymore.
Wonder why, may be because anything posted due to flip flops can be countered?
One person came on today and tryed to talk about McCain's new opponent, Barr, and -----no luck---
just vitriolic untrue attacks at Barack and Michelle.

highserenity, It is because they ALL hate McCain as their candidate, but have to hold their noses and vote for the old POS. There is NOTHING they can think of positive to post about him. So all they have is to attack the Democrats!

Here is another good one: Once they lose THIS base, they have nothing !

Young Evangelicals Abandoning GOP Over Iraq, Economy

He's a born-again Christian with two family members in the military. He grew up in the Bible Belt, where almost everyone he knew was Republican. But this fall, he's breaking a handful of stereotypes: He plans to vote for Democrat Barack Obama.

"I think a lot of Christians are having trouble getting behind everything the Republicans stand for," said Dudley, 20, a sophomore at Seattle Pacific University.

Dudley's disenchantment with the GOP isn't unique among young, devoutly Christian voters

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/11/young-evangelicals-abando_n_101184.html

DUH! Was it ever thus? The bush crime family must be made to pay the price.

Bush admin. ignored Iraq corruption

Deal in the Works to Seat Florida's Delegates
by Greg Allen

NPR.org, May 12, 2008 · Representatives of the Obama campaign in Florida are floating a possible compromise that could seat delegates from the Sunshine State at the Democratic National Convention in August.

On Friday, Alan Katz, a member of the Democratic National Committee and an Obama supporter, asked Democratic party officials in Tallahassee to sign on to a plan that would allow New York Sen. Hillary Clinton to net 10 delegates out of the state

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90374724

I liked Ron Paul
He was the first republican I ever sent money to---
it was before he got such a following, had no money, and the republicans were trying to keep him out of the debates----I like listening to him.

I think I also like Barr and will send him a little to help get him started :-)

I wonder why he is running against Paul
I can see one of them running, but both---and what vote is he going to get---Paul already has the libertarian bent.---

"And no matter how much fun they make of your support of her and the fact that working people all over America have stuck with her, she thinks you're as smart as they are. She thinks you've got as much right to have your say as anybody else.

And, you know, they make a lot of fun of me because I like to campaign in places like this, they say I have been exiled to rural America, as if that was a problem. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be here than listening to that stuff I have to hear on television, I'd rather be with you. There is a simple reason: You need a president a lot more than those people telling you not to vote for her."

Some comments of Bill Clinton in West Virginia. Better left unsaid.

Posted by sunny on May 12, 2008 at 06:37 PM

sunny,

You have that right.

Who exiled Bill Clinton? Why is he telling people in rural areas that others in our party consider them the pits at the end of the world? Why is his message about ridicule and setting up barriers among Democrats?

I'm beginning to understand why a foreign dictator might hire this man.

Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 07:31 PM
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no no no no
Is he just trying to show his ability to negotiate to a win/win situation, so that we can "move on"? I still don't like it---
will they be able to vote, or just attend?

He has to know something about the supers that are left to join him.

Posted by PamB on May 12, 2008 at 07:28 PM

Pam,

I saw a segment yesterday on one of the networks where they were interviewing a panel of young evangelical students.

They sounded like the flower children from the 1960's. I swear the GOP will begin calling them tree huggers and cowardly Commie peaceniks soon.

And did you read Jim Wallis's e-mail about the new Christian Manifesto that all the mainsteam evangelical churches signed off on recently? Conservative and progressive evangelical churches have joined together to re-state their commitment to ending war, poverty, and promoting environmental awareness.

It's our traditional Democratic agenda.

I'm so glad that the evangelicals have found their faith again. Glory Hallalujah. They are returning to the fold...and they found their way all by themselves.

Well, maybe they heard a little of what we've been trying to say. It certainly has be censored by the MSM.

bbl.

FINALLY, a Jewish group that understands that the only way to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian conflicts, and to make the Middle East recognize Israel as a neighbor, is through Peaceful compromise and negotiations. Maybe in my lifetime, we shall see PEACE .

"J Street is the political arm of the pro-Israel, pro-peace movement. We seek to change the direction of American policy in the Middle East and to broaden the public and policy debate in the U.S. about the Middle East. We support strong American leadership to end the Arab-Israeli and Palestinian-Israeli conflicts peacefully and diplomatically

George Bush heads to Israel this week for Israel’s 60th birthday bash. And what’s the gift he’s bringing?

More of the same weak leadership and failed policies that have made America, Israel, and the Middle East less safe. Is that the kind of present you bring to a friend’s 60th birthday party? We don’t think so.

Thankfully, Bush is on his way out, and soon a new President will be able to chart a new course for America in the Middle East.

They need to hear from us! Let’s demand strong American leadership from McCain, Obama, and Clinton to establish permanent, agreed-upon and secure borders for Israel and a path to peace and security for the whole Middle East. Take action now.

http://www.jstreet.org/

Mr. BEN-AMI: For too long, a small number of large donors from the right wing of the American Jewish community have actually hijacked the debate and have actually taken control of what it means to be pro-Israel. And we think we can reclaim that with an online movement where we bring large numbers of small donors together to give voice to their political views in a way that hasn't been possible before.

(It is nice that one can voice criticism of AIPAC and Israel and WHY their way is wrong, without being called anti-semitic when even Jews themselves know the truth!)

I'm so glad that the evangelicals have found their faith again. Glory Hallalujah. They are returning to the fold...and they found their way all by themselves.
Well, maybe they heard a little of what we've been trying to say. It certainly has be censored by the MSM.

Posted by SandyH on May 12, 2008 at 07:52 PM

Maybe they took our advice, and REALLY checked their Bibles and sure enough, no where does Jesus say abortion nor gays are bad! So if Jesus was not against it, then maybe those loud mouth Evangelical preachers are all wrong! Maybe just maybe, Jesus was a Liberal!

KO is on and already got me LMAO.
bbl

Amb. Crocker ---just another Lying Republican, another Bush boot licker ! Would rather another 4000 US boys die than tell the truth!

Former State Dept. Official: Amb. Crocker Is Either ‘Negligent’ Or ‘Intentionally Misleading’»

Today, the Democratic Policy Committee held a hearing on the U.S. reconstruction effort in Iraq and corruption in the Iraqi government. Two former State Department employees testified, including Judge Arthur Brennan, the former director of the Office of Accountability and Transparency (OAT) in Iraq. He said that his office’s work “was ignored and demeaned by the Department of State, the Department of Justice, and the government of Iraq.”

He also revealed the State Department completely altered a report he sent to the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) that criticized an Iraqi watchdog agency as being a “disaster

MCCASKILL: And so, what we’re learning today is that SIGIR, the information we’re getting from SIGIR is not, in fact, always factual, that sometimes it is being spun by Ambassador Crocker and that it is your testimony today that Ambassador Crocker knows the level of corruption in the Iraqi government and has failed to be honest with the American people about it.

BRENNAN: If he doesn’t know, then he’s negligent. If he does know, then he’s intentionally misleading Congress and the American public.

Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/12/brennan-crocker/#comments

McCain-the once proud maverick is now an ass kissing sellout. his wife says he won't resort to dirty tactics. he's already dirty from kissing the asses of people like jerry falwell and selling out the military and selling his own soul. we are going to kick his tired old ass in November. he has no shame.

here's one that will make you LYAO, highserenity!

Poll: Bush harmful to McCain’s presidential aspirations.
A new Gallup poll shows that President Bush is so unpopular that he will do more damage to Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) chances of being elected president than will Rev. Jeremiah Wright to Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL):

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/12/poll-bush-harmful-to-mccains-presidential-aspirations/#comments

blog ya tomorrow, Dems!

There is one difference Bush made; if you use Free Speech, you pay dearly for it. Look at the unions, the civil rights organizations, the Church's, and Civil Liberties that all have to pay for Bush's Patriot Act Intelligence of Mission Accomplished "Lies" for daring to say "We the people" need the divine "Truth," so help me God. Explain to me why some Democrats live their lives in fear of taking on Bushism autocracy.

Iraq al-Qaeda chief not captured

Link

Has the news media talked to this prisoner, and checked if this was true, or could is be that it is lie and he was whisked of to a secret Bush prison that Congress does not know about, where Bush redefined John Yoo interrogation techniques are used. Scary that Congress is out of the Bush inner circle of Intelligence.

Who exiled Bill Clinton? Why is he telling people in rural areas that others in our party consider them the pits at the end of the world? Why is his message about ridicule and setting up barriers among Democrats?

This is the divisive garbage that I was talking about earlier. The reality, of course, is that hard-working, white Americans were behind Obama's nomination long before it could be suggested that he was leading for any other reason.

Obama won in the states of Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, Maryland, and Virginia , thanks to hard-working, white Americans. It is only since the Rev. Wright scam and consecutive wins in southern states that anything else could be and was said. And yet, the truth remains the same. Obama was primarily selected by hard-working, white Americans.

Hard-working white Americans who have something in common with the highly educated and black populations. All these Americans see Obama as a capable leader who has demonstrated a much needed determination to resolve our problems, rather than simply engaging in the "emotional issues" that might win votes but don't do so much for average Americans.

Absolutely 1/2 of voting americans are idiots. Want proof, GW two terms. Yeah, he cheated in Ohio but it should have been a slam dunk.

The republicans will make Barack out to be a muslum, american hating, terrorist. CNN is having some special asking women voters questions, I think it's tonight. Just watch, and my point will be proven about both theories.

We will lose the election without Hillary on the ticket. She is not good as Pres, too polarizing, amoung other things, but not as polarizing as VP. We need every single vote we can get to beat the idiots that currently think it's the dems fault the country is in it's current mess.

Half of the country reminds me of the zombie YFZ mormon ranch dwellers. The goal is to win. Jim Baker of the Baker/Hamilton commission once said, "If you can get 70% of what you want in a deal, it's better than nothing."

Obama/Clinton 08 whether we or they like it or not. Obama is the first candidate for president I've actually yelled at the TV and said, "Your my leader!"

Now, perhaps we Democrats can come together and admit to ourselves that, once again, we've been the victims of a Republican plot to divide our vote. And, as usual, we were not the only ones to fall for this trick as has been demonstrated by media coverage and by several statements made by Clinton and her supporters. Again, I am not blaming these attacks on Clinton and her supporters, only that they too have fallen for this Republican trick.

Honestly, I don't see any other sign of the Republican led manipulations that we have become accustomed to. They were obvious throughout the 2004 elections and they have been obvious throughout these last eight years, so why would we think that republicans would have taken a break from their old tricks, after selecting John McCain? We wouldn't, unless we'd actually fallen prey to their tricks.

It is republicans who have driven this wedge in the Democratic Party, not our fellow Democrats. We have helped that process along only by failing to realize that we were acting on the manipulative suggestions of Republican operatives.

"ANWR is the bridge to our energy future" says the Alaskan senator.

This is a load of shit as pointed out by nt lower gas prices, the most efficient way to do it is to give up Cheney's war habit.
If and when wetpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com.

"I was just listening to Sen. Murkowski, from Alaska, speak on the Senate floor in support of drilling for oil in ANWR, the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve.
"ANWR is a bridge to our energy future" she says.
I always get nervous when someone from Alaska starts talking about bridges.
ANWR is not in any way a solution, not even in a small way, to our oil addiction.
The U.S. uses about 7.5 billion barrel of oils a year. It is estimated that ANWR contains 10.5 billion barrels.
That will sustain the U.S. for 18 months.
If, that is, the oil in ANWR is even meant for consumption in the U.S. Many have posited that we would export the oil.
The only beneficiaries of ANWR are the oil companies and the military. The Department of Defense is the biggest buyer of oil in the world.
Billions of barrels have already been used to support our occupation in Iraq.
If we want lower gas prices, the most efficient way to do it is to give up Cheney's war habit.
If and when we do, it would add billions of barrels of oil to the world supply, and prices will drop dramatically.

Please contact your Senators and insist that they vote against drilling in ANWR.

NewsJunkie,

It's under consideration, but not likely. Barack is going to have to choose a candidate who can help him win in states that his plan considers swing states. Remember, these are different than those Clinton has worked for, due to her "big-state strategy". His strategy is different, as is his message, and these difference have gotten him to where he is, and when you're doing something so right you simply don't change your strategy.

WTF happened?

"This is a load of shit as pointed out by nt lower gas prices, the most efficient way to do it is to give up Cheney's war habit.
If and when wetpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com."

"should read:

This is a load of shit as pointed out by tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com."

This keyboard sucks.

As for those big Clinton wins which follow the Reverend Wright issue. These do fall in line with suggestions that some older white Americans were susceptable to racial fearmongering, though not so much so that they would shift their vote to John McCain. A trend which appears likely to backfire as Democrats begin to realize who was truly behind it. Republican operatives.

Apparently Obama said in one of his talks that he has been to 57 states so far. I assumed he meant that he has visited the states 57 times.

That asshole limpballs and his gang of assholes picked up on this and said, oh oh, Obama must be a muslim because there are 57 muslim groups in the world.

limpballs should be taken of the radio permanently.

hannity is such a sick bastard. He was going on and on today about the "socialist liberals" wanting government health care. This guy is a disgrace to the human race and he is a despicable chicken hawk creep who would kiss rayguns ass if he could.

That's right, I said that fears instigated by the repeated airing of Reverend Wright videos is not enough to shift support from Democrats to McCain. Need proof? Look no further than the polls, which continue to show both Democratic Candidates leading McCain by an equivalent margin.

Sorry, but it is a reality in the political world of yesterday that any and all issues which might give one an advantage would be considered. Again, I said that this political strategy was accepted in the past. That being said, it is no longer a strategy that Americans respect.

The Reverend Wright issue was a prime example of this. Though it ran for quite some time, it did not have the overwhelming impact that it was expected to. Nor did that impact last as long as may have been expected. And, by the time the elections came to Indiana, it along with resistance to the gas tax proposition had begun to backfire on those taking advantage of inuendo and pandering. In the end, Indiana's vote was split between the two candidates.

What will tell the tale is tomorrows election in missouri, or is it mississippi, cant remember but the guys name in chandler or something like that. The republicans have been tying him to barack and running ads about rev. wright. I think he is up for a US House Seat. If he wins, regardless of those attacks, more supers will move toward Obama. If he loses, the senator supers that are up for re-election will be up for grabs.

Obama/Hillary 08 - let's not just win, let's win big

On obama's foreign policy stance

Colin Powell agrees with Barack Obama (NO PRECONDITIONS)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xPeYysFh8uI&feature=related

Governor Richardson agrees with Barack Obama
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n0okWprkrNI

Who are the other heavy hitters on this issue?
Carl Rove has been spinning EXPERIENCE on this hard as have the McCain sites.

With McCain, this is really all they have-
he got brain dead while singing and becoming a hero in the hanoi hilton

Good night Democrats cannot wait for our Declaration of Independence from Bush's autocratic rule. Support the Constitution of the worker's home.

I get excited, not upset, excited now when I hear the talk of anwar and drilling off the coast.

McCain has been plain, (until he flips), that will not happen if he is made president.

The more I hear that from the limpballs, hannitys, and neocons,
the more I bounce around in glee---

funny how even my response to such a gross subject can completely change
yipeeeee

oops
that was for Johnn
no need to get in touch with anyone
none of our presidential candidates support it, and we will be in full control of the house soon.

Put energy elsewhere imo

Wrong on the War is wrong on the Economy

There are several areas of interest to look at for those concerned with the state of the Middle East. Of course there is Iraq, but there is also the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict, the war in Afghanistan now spreading to Pakistan, Iran, and now the state of affairs in Lebanon. And all have an impact upon our attempts to reduce the likelihood of extremism, some of which has already affected us here at home.

Now, Iraq was wrong because it was supported by a manipulation of inteligence before the war, and because it has led to the reinvigoration of extremeism across the Middle East since the war began. (There is also the devastating impact that this war has had upon Iraqis at large.)

As for the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict, it has excalated since the beginning of our war in Iraq, when our attention shifted from seeking peace through diplomacy to seeking peace through force. The Israeli government apparently took their que from the Bush administration when it chose to launch attacks into Palestine for the first time since a U.S. negotiated cease-fire took effect under the Clinton administration. That conflict has escalated since, and division inside Palestine have been set against one another by the Bush administration, making peace that much more difficult to attain and adding to regional animosities.

Afghanistan. Remember the war in Afghanistan? That war which began our response to the attacks of 911? Yes, it's still going on strong and, as I said, has spread into Pakistan since the Bush administration diverted our attention from this training ground of the 911 terrorists. And, to make matters worse, these terrorists have regained what strength they lost with our initial invasion of Afghanistan.

Iran is of course an issue that is born of our war in Iraq. This is not to say that we did not have trouble with Iran in the past, but that our recent troubles were not guaranteed until war with Iraq was proposed by the Bush administration. Prior to that moment, Iran was assisting us in our efforts to reduce the threat of terrorism in the Middle East. Acting with us in Afghanistan and Lebanon, rather than against us in Iraq.

Of course there is that issue of nuclear ambitions in Iran, or is there. The reality of this issue is that it has not truly been an issue since our intelligence organizations learned, in 2003, that Iran was not seeking nuclear weaponry capabilities. Instead, the true issue has been Iran's opposition to a war in Iraq which would leave Iran between two U.S. occupations, one in Afghanistan and another in Iraq. Is there any doubt that this would make Iranians nervous, after all our nations had only been working as friends for a few months by that time, after many years of trouble.

As for Lebanon. Now is not the first time since the beginning of the war in Iraq that war waged through Lebanon. In fact, it was the shift from peace through diplomacy to peace through force in Israel which led to war there in 2006. And now that support for Sunni's has been accepted as the Bush administration's strategy for changing conditions in Iraq, Sunni and Shiite have begun to fight elsewhere.

Sadly, all of this trouble was predicted by the president's father in 1990. That's right, these events were pointed to the former Bush administration as it made the case for containment rather than an all out invasion of Iraq. The only thing to be decided now is, do we allow this to be just the beginning of the full-scale regional conflict warned about, or do we take corrective action now while that momentum is still being built?

And what does all of this have to do with the economy? Well, where do you think the money that kept us out of this economic crisis has gone if not into Bush's wide scale efforts in the Middle East? Remember, this is a strategy which relies upon force which requires a massive expenditure to retain both military capabilities and allies. And with Bush constantly extending this conflict to a new region costs skyrocket.

Then there is this expanding war's impact upon the price of fuel and the inroads that China and others have made within the Middle East. First it is expensive to keep up production in the midst of war. And secondly, it becomes easier for competitors like China to negotiate there because they have more money at their disposal. (Especially when they hold so much U.S. debt.)

Have a nice night everyone.

Partisan voting machine companies? They are election officials who are under oath that program, administer, and count the votes. If you are so concerned, work at the polls. that is where the likelihood of fraud would occur... Now please, don't question my & my peers integrity.

Posted by Esmeralda on May 12, 2008 at 04:35 PM

Show me where I questioned your integrity? Do a google for past voting problems in NC. One county was forced by a judge to have a re-vote. So there.

I can not believe you are defending the voting machine vendors by saying they are sworn officials. First off, some of these sworn officials have gone to jail. So don't act like they are ALL beyond question.

Secondly, people working for the county at the polls would likely have NO WAY of knowing the fix is in. As if the county workers would know what the PROPRIETARY CODE (secret) actually says.

Thirdly, people programming the machines are NOT sworn officials. And the machines count the votes votes in most places. So sworn officials are not in charge of these important jobs.

And btw, once when I was not working for a candidate, I did work as the Chief Election Judge. I was not impressed with the e-voting machines. And I was less impressed with the Diebold techs who showed up after a problem to "fix" the machines. If you want to defend the voting machine companies, go ahead. I wouldn't take any lessons in integrity from these partisan companies. go to: www.blackboxvoting.org to get some links.

And I'm not sold on optical scan machines either. If it were up to me, I would have vote by mail and hand counts.

I was not on this blog before John Kerry became our nominee in 2004 and now I can only imagine what went on until the official ticket of the democratic nominee was decided.

First, as some of you know, I have become a fierce supporter of Obama after Richardson dropped out. Ever since then I have been doing my research (not MSM) and for me, Obama is the best person in the race.

I don't think I've ever gloated, I have always tried to state my opinion without trashing anybody else.

I am saddened by the division, not just in the general electorate, but by the division on this blog. I am saddened by all the the wonderful friends (and people I've butted heads with) that no longer post here.

This used to be home in the blogshpere, this is where we used to hang out exchanging everything from informative links to helping each other with down to earth real problems and to have fun and get to know each other.

I miss our blog family.

Hugs to all.

And please, let's take back our White House in November.

P.S. Gregg, my daughter and I have rescued a pitbull puppy, her name is Zoe and she's a wonderful, goofy, fun and annoying addition to the animal members of our household.

These people cooking up states that will and will not vote for a Democratic candidate is pretty funny. I think they are ready for Faux News.

I suppose we are to believe that some states voted for Clinton/Gore, but they would not do it again?

I really don't understand why these Obama supporters don't stay on the message of "Hope" and "change?" Maybe they have been watching th MSM and think that if those pundits can make up numbers and polls, they can too.

High, the link you want is that goofy blog post about "going down that road." It's pretty funny. The first part is Jake Leg talking bad about Bill, and then some quotes that show nothing.

Gotta listen toward the end about Irangate
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24586408#24586408

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 12, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Hi byd
????? link

I am constatnly amazed at how we dems are still falling into the GOP pit. They have established some catch phrases that have become accepted and so we use them as well. Then we try to change the tone or wind up saying us too. We need to be straight with the folks. McCain is not a moderate. Never was, never will be. He is a conservative. He has said so. He is also not a maverick. He has romanced the press for years with open access and lots of chit chat. Now they are giving him a free ride. Time to call them out on this, loud and clear. "Liberal" is not a four letter word. It is also not a swear word. There is not enough "liberal media" around anymore to worry about but the GOP still blames everything on them. When do we call them on that one as well? They (the GOP) argue that Obama "will raise your taxes!" The uninformed buy into that line of crap. The last time I checked, presidents don't have the authority to raise taxes, that's up to Congress. Of course, if you earn more than $250,000 your taxes should be raised some. If you earn over $1million, stop whining and pay the piper, you'll still be way ahead. Then I had a friend tell me that she couldn't support Obama because he is a muslem. If it weren't for the fact that I was driving, I might have smacked her up side the head. "You're smarter than that." I said, "think it through and stop repeating all that right wing nonsense."

A blogger said earlier that voters are stupid. I used to feel the same way but now I believe that it's not stupidity, it's that the media simply reports what is said regardless of it's validity. If the quote is bogus, they need to either ignore it or state, up front, that it is not true. So the false perseptions gain validity and get repeated until they seem almost to be true. Time to call them out. Stop the false journalism. Tell the whole truth. We need to stop using the same old lines and start telling it as it really is. Barack is the right leader for this time in history and the whole world is watching.

I suppose we are to believe that some states voted for Clinton/Gore, but they would not do it again?

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 12, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Dog,

Yeah, it's like people who voted for a candidate in the primaries who supported universal health care, ending the occupation, and creating jobs in this country for a change wouldn't vote for a Democrat in the general.

But without the speculation, where would the MSM be? They need to have some kind of drama going into November or people might realize they aren't needed...could be replaced by Pixar cartoon characters.

Actually, Colmes kind of reminds me of Buzz Light Year. He's been playing second banana to Tom Hanks so long nobody gives him any respect.

I really don't understand why these Obama supporters don't stay on the message of "Hope" and "change?"

If you don't speak up when others are constantly finding new ways to throw out the race card, your candidate might end up like Kerry.

We're just taking Hillary's advice and "fighting hard" to toughening up her supporters for the stuff the Republicans will throw at us in November?

I know that sounds really stupid...and it is. But that's what this protracted primary season has come down to...stupid posturing and over simplifications. You end up personifying your frustrations on the other candidate.

I'll be a lot more "hopeful" and "ready for change" when a deal has been done between the two camps come May 31.

Every time I hear someone say, "It always used to be settled at the convention," I want to puke. This thing has been going on for nearly 18 months. Elephants have babies faster than that. The Continental Congress worked faster...and Lord knows they weren't really trying very hard.

Maybe that's the reason Hillary won't give in...she grew up as a Cubs fan. She's knows it inevitable but fights it anyways. And she can’t resist reaching out and touching the ball when we’re one out away from ending the game.

Let Puerto Rico vote already and then let's play some real baseball?

Good Grief, west virginia, the second lowest median income state. The people there think Obama is a muslum and michelle is an atheist. This comes from the school teachers there. Do they bother to check it out. Do they even own computers? For far too long uninformed, ignorant people have been chosing our presidents, while the rest of us have to pay for their ignorance. It's time for the educated people to elect the next president. Doesn't that make more sense. WV doesn't think Obama understands americans like them. No, we would like to eradicate ignorance, he understands people like you very well. I'm sooo glad WV only has 28 delegates. Oh and Hillary - this state means nothing except ignorant people vote for you. which means the state will go republican, no matter who is the democratic nominee.

Posted by AaronM on May 13, 2008 at 12:06 AM

AaronM,

The media has been called out. They refuse to pick up the gauntlet. The real problem is that they are not reporters. They just read what they are given. Thinking and logic is optional.

It goes beyond the media. All of them... the politicians, the lobbyists, businesses, religious leaders, the MSM...they don't even try.

There are no standards. Just like there is no regulation in this country. When it's Anything Goes....everything goes.

Just look at the sub-prime mess. Look at Iraq. Look at the health care crisis. Look at our crumbling infrastructure. Look at Homeland Security. Look at the war profiteering.

We have to throw out all those who stand in the way of reason and start anew. All those who had anything to do with NAFTA or the Iraqi war vote have to go...and they can take their embedded "jounalists" with them.

Once you start letting people constantly make excuses or give them them the benefit of the doubt, they take advantage of the situation instead of rectifying it. It just has to stop. I don't care if it's a Republican or a DLC Democrat. They have to go.

I was raised to a higher standard and expect others to at least try or make ammends when I falter. And I think all the rest of us who were raised by The Greatest Generation NOW expect it, too.

Sorry to unload on you when I just meant to agree with you.

Confronted with such a vast scale of incompetence coming together in so many fields at one time and one place just makes you wonder if God isn't trying to tell us something like..."Snap out of it."

Some of the evangelicals seem to at least be getting the message.

Good night, all.

Posted by newsjunkie on May 13, 2008 at 01:17 AM

Shame on you. I know several people from WV, and they are very smart, kind, and hard working people. It just so happens that they are from a major coal mining area, and coal mining areas are historically linked to poverty. These people are no different that some people across the river in Ohio. You, Mr. NO UNITY, are an elitist snob.

You really do the Democratic party a disservice by talking bad about poor areas. Democrats can and WILL win WV in November, thanks to a very spirited primary, and organizers getting out the vote NOW.

Also, they've elected Robert Byrd forever, and the current Governor is a Democrat. How dare you say this about the good people of WV. GtH,A.

I love how the elitists say we're not true democrats and continue to laugh at and call blue collar democrats trash and racists and other assorted names, my family have been democrats since Al Smith ran against Hoover. It's the working Democrats that have fought the wars, built this country and the Democratic base. I haven't left the democratic party the party has left me. This november I'm afraid to say will be a repeat of 1952, 1956. and 1972 all over again.

newsjunkie makes my point to the T, the way he denigrates the people of west virgina,

newsjunkie
I like the truth to power
I had to smile

tHIS would solve your WV problem
I want education for all U.S. citizens EQUALLY
and health care for all U.S. citizens EQUALLY
I want to pay for it in my taxes (equally with all other citizens) % of income
take advantage of it or don't It is there for every one, no

this is the foundation----all else would take care of itself

as for the rest---I want the government to stay the HELL OUT OF MY LIFE

so as you can see, and most know on here---I am a bit of an anomaly :-)

oh for geez sake, he wasn't denigrating the good people of WV

Try reading it with an open mind.

only 11;40 in s,cal. so one more point, if obama is the nominee he shouldn't pick Richardson as his vp as that will cause him to lose a great many Hillary supporters for the backstabbing he did on her. good night all

here is a fun link shows predictions for nov. differently to have some fun, enjoy.
www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps

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Good morning, Dems. Democracy is being attacked:

The Election Assistance Commission is hiring Alice Miller, who has been investigated for fraud, then the investigation was blocked, and now she is to be rewarded with a new job, as chief operating officer for the EAC.

More information on her in story below:

Here is an easy way to sign on as protesting this hiring to your senators and representatives and your local newspapers. A national petition is being prepared also, and will be sent out soon. Please click on this below link, take the needed 1 to 2 minutes, and fill out the form and send it off. Thank You!

http://www.usalone.com/cgi-bin/petition.cgi?pnum= 837

More on the story (from DC Watch):

"Scheme to obtain unlawful pay raises and back pay. After the BOEE General Counsel received a pay raise (from $109,515 to 121,406) based on recently enacted legislation designed to ensure retention of practicing attorneys in the District government, legislation that would permit raises to the Director of OCF by removing the statutory cap was sought by OCF but not obtained.

Because the salary of the OCF Director is capped at the highest step of DS-16 ($109,515) of the District's excepted service schedule, attempts to process such a raise through normal channels would have been rejected by the Office of Personnel unless the cap were removed.

For this reason, the technical assistance of a computer security technician employed by the Office of the Chief Financial Officer (CFO) was enlisted to make the salary changes directly to the District's computerized payroll system. This change to the electronic payroll unlawfully effectuated the raise by circumventing the administrative safeguards that ensure that employees receive appropriate salaries."

http://www.eac.gov/News/press/eac-picks-d-c- elections-director-for

This above site points to the promotion of the fraudsters via the EAC press release on this.
DC Watch site below has a big report on the whole investigation situation. Those of you able and willing to go beyond filling out and sending in the above form, are asked to call your representative and/or Senator and ask that hearings are called on this issue, in this very important election year.

http://www.dcwatch. com/govern/ ig030522. htm

The Ohio Election Justice Campaign hopes you will speak up on this important issue, ASAP. The press release dated 5-9-08 reports that Miller will start to work on June 2, 2008. Unless the citizens of this country stop it. Go fast.

Sincerely,
Paddy Shaffer, Director, The Ohio Election Justice Campaign
paddy@columbus.rr.com

Posted by SandyH on May 13, 2008 at 01:06 AM

Obama is better off having a long primary against Clinton for several reasons:

1. Since Obama doesn't have much National experience, it makes him appear more experienced, and gives him much needed experience campaigning. You seem to forget that Obama has NEVER had a tough State-wide race, and he lost a Congressional district race. Obama needs to learn to campaign.

2. It helps vet Obama. Can you imagine if Rev. Wright came out in October, rather than last month? A Rev. Wright incident would be very costly against McCain NATIONALLY, rather than Clinton state-wide. One of the MAJOR problems with having a candidate NOT vetted by the National Press is that the MSM will make things up, and see if it sticks. This Primary gives Obama time to take on charges like Wright, Muslim, "never been proud to be an American." Obama is getting better, thanks to a hard-fought primary season.

3. Thanks to the protracted primary, Democrats are furiously organizing WV and states beyond. I will remind you that Democrats had record voter registration in the ALL-IMPORTANT PA. Also, more people voted in the IN primary for a Democrat than for a Democrat in the 2004 GENERAL election.

4. Obama is getting TONS of FREE-MEDIA by having these primaries. This free-media is much more important than edited and paid commercials.

5. Obama and Clinton can talk about McCain NOW all they want. In fact, they do talk about McLame. Having two Dems beating up McCain in the National media is a good thing. Too bad they don't show more it... but that's the MSM for ya.

Today on Lardball, Pat Buchanan agreed that having these contested primaries HELPS Obama. While I don't agree with Pat about his anti-choice views, I respect his truthfulness regarding campaigns.

Unfortunately, when Obama supporters make nasty comments about Clinton, it under cuts major message of "change," and "a new way in Washington." And talking bad about poor areas is just deplorable. I suppose some of these special candidate interest DNC bloggers don't know much about reaching out to voters, and actually making CHANGE. They make it look like the HOPE well has run-ith dry. It would help Barack if his supporters would WALK THE TALK.

Anybody know what Rove was talking about on MSNBC when he said things are yet to come out on our leader of delegates? I didn't hear the story, just the intro from one of the talking heads. I think the Republicans are going to get very dirty this year... like they could get any worse than 2000 and 2004.

Thirdly, people programming the machines are NOT sworn officials. And the machines count the votes votes in most places. So sworn officials are not in charge of these important jobs.

And btw, once when I was not working for a candidate, I did work as the Chief Election Judge. I was not impressed with the e-voting machines. And I was less impressed with the Diebold techs who showed up after a problem to "fix" the machines. If you want to defend the voting machine companies, go ahead. I wouldn't take any lessons in integrity from these partisan companies. go to: www.blackboxvoting.org to get some links.

And I'm not sold on optical scan machines either. If it were up to me, I would have vote by mail and hand counts.

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 12, 2008 at 11:17 PM

the ones who program are election officials who are under oath. they are the ones who perform the l & a too.

I have no idea what you do for a living, so I won't claim to be an expert in your field.
I won't go into it here, but unless you've walked a mile in my shoes, you can never understand.

BBV! That is a joke to me.

Hand count each vote! hahaha! yeah, right! well, that's what they do in a few counties in WV, so I guess it would be okaydokey every where else.

Optical scan vote by mail, with high speed scanners (same make & model) is the best way to vote.

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Looks like the beginning of a beautiful day here in SE OH. Dr. appt., then the remainder of my day is for R & R.

Enjoy yours, everyone.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The public must pressure Republicans in the White House and Congress to change directions in the country's energy policies, which have pushed oil and gas prices to record highs, a Democratic lawmaker said Saturday.

Sen. Debbie Stabenow said the rising price of oil, fostered by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney's close ties to the oil industry, is no longer just a burden.

"Now it is a crisis for every American family," the Michigan senator said in the Democrats' weekly radio address. She called the current energy situation "a crisis that doesn't just affect us at the pump, but also raises the prices of groceries, increases our home heating bills and squeezes small businesses trying to keep their heads above water."

She promoted the Democratic proposals for changing energy policy. Those call for:

- Ending billions of dollars in tax breaks for big oil companies.

- Forcing the oil companies to do their part by investing some of their profits in clean and affordable alternative energy.

- Protecting the American people from price gougers and greedy oil traders who manipulate the market.

- Temporarily stopping the diversion of oil to the national Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which is already 97 percent full.

- Standing up to the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and other oil-producing nations that are working together to keep oil prices high.

"This fight won't be easy," Stabenow said, urging the public to pressure the GOP. "The President and his oil buddies have gotten used to the spoils of plunder, and they won't give up without a fight."

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Amber Wilkerson said, "The Democrats clearly don't understand the economy and the devastating burden that their proposed tax increases would impose on families and businesses across America."

TAX INCREASE???????? What f**king planet does this neocon bitch live on. She sounds like hannity and limpballs combined.a What a total f**king selfish bastard republican asshole.

Democratic senator calls for GOP to alter energy policy

I was there at PDA's founding in Roxbury, Massachusetts, almost four years ago.

I stood with PDA in Ohio after the 2004 elections, as we challenged the unfair vote count there.

I worked with PDA to bring the Downing Street Memo to light in 2005, to expose the lies that led us to war.

In March, I spoke at a PDA event with Jim Hightower, Donna Edwards, and Norman Solomon in Washington, D.C.

I've worked with Tim Carpenter and Diane Shamis and many other PDAers every day gathering support for my single-payer national health care bill, HR 676, to bring health care to every American.

I recently contributed $2,000 to support PDA. I hope you will join me as a "Change makes Change" partner. Pitch in whatever you can afford.
I fully support PDA's "Health Care NOT Warfare" campaign

Help PDA lead the grassroots effort to secure a mandate for change when Congress reconvenes in January—for single-payer health care for every American and to end the war quickly—a mandate to spend our resources to benefit working Americans rather than waste resources on the unwinnable Iraq War and Occupation in Iraq. A mandate for "Health care NOT Warfare."

We may never have a better chance to change the direction of this nation than now.

I know that whatever you can afford to give to "Change makes Change" will be well spent. Join me in supporting PDA. Together, we can end the war and bring health care to America.

Become a "Change makes Change" partner today.

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paddy@columbus.rr.com

Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 13, 2008 at 07:31 AM

You have me banging my head here! What a joke! Come to the real world.

Have fun in la la land.

I`m convinced that even though it will be a nasty cast election,that people see through that crap. Certainly,we`ll get to see.I`m also convinced that the more exposure McNuts gets the more people will walk away from him. His environmental policies that he`s talking about,he will probably support as well as he does his fellow vets. (please note sarcasm!)

Good morning JohnE...Hope all is well with you in NM.....Looks like those folks in Fla have some serious problems, not to forget about the tornado victims.

It's too bad Bush has chosen to piss our troops lives and out national; treasure down a rat hole in the sands of Iraq.

Morning Big Yellow,

I watched William Cohen, past Sec. of Defense, a Republican, being interviewed yesterday, and he said his party had better not try a "Willie Horton" on Obama, because it will backfire on them this time.

Morning Esme, John Boy, Virgo, and Dems,

I have to respond to this one!

I love how the elitists say we're not true democrats and continue to laugh at and call blue collar democrats trash and racists and other assorted names, my family have been democrats since Al Smith ran against Hoover. It's the working Democrats that have fought the wars, built this country and the Democratic base. I haven't left the democratic party the party has left me. This november I'm afraid to say will be a repeat of 1952, 1956. and 1972 all over again.

Posted by fanspeed on May 13, 2008 at 02:17 AM

I have NEVER heard nor seen where any blue collar workers in the Dem party or any party called trash!What elitists are you talking about?
And as for this party leaving you, I have watched as Howard Dean has now insisted that this party be for All Americans, all workers, all elderly, all children, all disabled, all Veterans! The DLC Dems are being disregarded in their attempts to keep This party corporate loving. Progressive candidates are now being considered and run in spots where only so-called moderates were run before. The Party is coming back to the people, so pray that another McAuliffe never gets back in!

speaking of Voter Fraud, Intimidation, machine hacking, read this one:

"Missouri and at least 19 other states are considering passing laws that would force people to prove their citizenship before they can vote. These bills are not a sincere effort to prevent noncitizens from voting; that is a made-up problem. The real aim is to reduce turnout by eligible voters. Republicans seem to think that laws of this kind will help them win elections, but burdensome rules like these — and others cropping up around the country — pose a serious threat to democracy and should be stopped.

There is no evidence that voting by noncitizens is a significant problem. Illegal immigrants do their best to remain in the shadows, to avoid attracting government attention and risking deportation. It is hard to imagine that many would walk into a polling place, in the presence of challengers and police, and try to cast a ballot.

There is, however, ample evidence that a requirement of proof of citizenship will keep many eligible voters from voting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/opinion/13tue1.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

As I understand it, Mr. Bush shed some tears at Jenna's wedding.

I wonder if he has ever shed any tears for the pain and loss he has caused 4000 plus families here in this country.

The tears one might shed about a wedding are far different than those shed at the death of a loved one in combat.

The loss of a family member in combat is a pain that never goes away.

If there had been any planning for the occupation, if the American People had not been lied to makes the pain of the loss of these fine Americans all the more painful.

Shame on you Bush!

McCain promises us more of the same.

Save your country! VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN THE FALL!!!!

I am saddened by the division, not just in the general electorate, but by the division on this blog. I am saddened by all the the wonderful friends (and people I've butted heads with) that no longer post here.

This used to be home in the blogshpere, this is where we used to hang out exchanging everything from informative links to helping each other with down to earth real problems and to have fun and get to know each other.

And please, let's take back our White House in November.

Posted by GiG on May 12, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Dear GiG,

And we thought the Howard Dean days were bad here, huh? That was nothing compared to this.

When this is settled in a couple of weeks, we shall then See what People are made of! We will see who really cares about this country, their future generations, the troops, the environment, the Constitution of the United States of America! True colors shall be shown! Hang in there, Hugs, Pam

this will be very interesting!

White House vs. White Bear
By Geoffrey Lean
The Independent UK

Judge says Bush must decide whether to save the polar bear as the ice melts.
It's a classic stand-off between one of the world's best loved animals and one of its most unpopular leaders, between the planet's largest bear and its most powerful man. And it comes to a head this week.

On Thursday, by order of a federal judge, George W Bush must stop stalling on whether to designate the polar bear as a species endangered by global warming. The designation could have huge consequences for his climate-change policies; his administration would, by law, have to avoid doing anything that would "jeopardise the continued existence" of the mammal whose habitat is melting away.
Unsurprisingly, perhaps, the administration has sought to avoid the decision. It has delayed it for months, and was seeking to put it off for months more. But two weeks ago Claudia Wilken, the judge, ruled it had long been "in violation of the law", and ordered it to act by 15 May.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/051208EA.shtml

em>Posted by MichelleLaw on May 13, 2008 at 08:47 AM

Get your facts right, numb ones, before you look more stupid than you usually do! What an ass!

"As president, Clinton championed the Kyoto Protocol, which sets out limits by which industrialized countries must reduce greenhouse gas emissions and five other gases below 1990 levels by 2012. He was never able to get it through the U.S. Senate.

U.S. President George Bush never backed the plan, saying it would harm the economy. It still has not been ratified by the U.S.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051209/clinton_climate_change_051209/20051209?hub=TopStories

Go find a job, will ya buddy??

OH, and here's another to stick up your ignorant butt!

One hundred and thirty-seven (137) developing countries have ratified the protocol, including Brazil, China and India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

well, looks like Michelle just took a flush!

bb after breakfast and shower, friends.........

Good morning fellow Dems!

Bush Job Approval Ratings

Overall 22% 72% 6%
Economy 22% 73% 5%

George W. Bush's overall job approval rating is holding steady at 22% while 68% of Americans say the national economy is in a recession and 54% say their personal financial situations are getting worse.
Mccain = bush!!

OH, and here's another to stick up your ignorant butt!

One hundred and thirty-seven (137) developing countries have ratified the protocol, including Brazil, China and India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

Posted by PamB on May 13, 2008 at 09:01 AM

Pam, you have got to stop being so laid back and start telling people how you really feel!!!.....heeheeheehee,........ sorry Pam,....the Devil made me do it!...heehee....

BBL

Good morning, all.

There is a new OPEN THREAD for the morning.

Are you known by the Pastor you keep?

Just something to make your mind ponder. HMMMM

IF A PASTOR IS KNOWN BY THE COMPANY THEY KEEP!

When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But as the former pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L.Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

Okay, so now that Bill and Hillary Clinton's pastor has been convicted of child molestation, will we see the same furor directed at Hillary that Obama has had to endure these last few weeks?

IF A CANDIDATE IS KNOWN BY THE PASTOR THEY KEEP

Then you need to email this article to everyone you know. Here the Pastor is convicted of child molestation. So, if Obama bears the guilt for his pastor's comments, then Hillary has to be equally
tainted by this guy's crimes.

Now I know why there are zero comments on the new thread. It's not working.