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Evening Open Thread

Posted by Michael Link on May 8, 2008 at 06:57 PM

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We could have told Gorbachev that bush is an asshole and he truly is a fascist pig who is trying to dominate the world. mclame will be worse. Why do we allow these retards to run our government. They should be in prison in the Hague. bush is going to the Middle East next week goosestepping the whole way and accusing more nations of being terrorist. We are the f**king terrorists.

Yesterday, bush told Cuba that he didn't like their new government. FUCK BUSH! I don't give a damn what he likes. He is a royal prick.

Gorbachevc says: “Nonetheless, we see that the USA is passing the defense budget and increasing costs of strengthening the conventional armed forces at the insistence of the Pentagon’s head because of the possible war with China or Russia. Sometimes I think that the USA intends to wage war against the entire world,” Gorbachev said.

Mikhail Gorbachev: 'Every American president must wage war'

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Johne on May 8, 2008 at 07:53 PM

Fade: If you are still here, check this out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Here are a couple of excerpts:

The bad news is that as markets stabilize, chances for fundamental financial reform may be slipping away. As a result, the next crisis will probably be worse than this one.


And now that the financial clouds have lifted a bit, the pushback against sensible regulation is in full swing. Even the Fed’s very modest proposal to curb abusive mortgage lending with new standards is under fire, and there are worrying signs that the Fed may back down.

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marymac_memphis on May 8, 2008 at 07:58 PM

Posted by PamB on May 8, 2008 at 05:16 PM

Perhaps you'd like to revise and extend those remarks, my fellow Democrat. Us folks in and near the political center ain't too fond of being called "1/2 Democrats". However, since this came from you I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as always, and assume you meant something along the lines of "1/2 Liberal" which, IMHO, is more accurate.

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BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 8, 2008 at 08:03 PM

Posted by nora on May 8, 2008 at 05:10 PM

You know, I find this post rather intersting even if it is a thinly veiled swipe at our party. Our good friends in Great Britain, I think, have it right as far as political parties go.

The British have four major parties, the BNC which is far right, the Conservatives (i.e. the Tories) are the center right, Labour is the center left, and the Liberal Democrats which are just that, and a whole bunch of local, small, one and two issue parties. If we could adopt that framework politics would change in this great nation of ours for the better, IMHO. Furthermore, there would be more choices at the ballot box. And the Congressional floor voting to elect a Speaker and a Majority Leader in the Senate would be wild to watch on C-Span at the beginning of each term assuming no one party held a 50.1% majority.

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BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 8, 2008 at 08:14 PM

The US: Your masters of the universe
By William J Astore

When I first joined the US Air Force, its mission statement was straightforward: to fly and fight. The recruiting slogan was upbeat: the air force was "a great way of life" and the Reserve Officers' Training Corps program I enrolled in was the "gateway to a great way of life".

Mission statements and slogans are easy to poke fun at and shouldn't, perhaps, be taken too seriously. That said, the people who develop them do take them seriously, which is why they can't be ignored.

Consider the air force's new slogan: "Air Force - Above All."

Okay, I admit it's catchy, even cute, if, that is, you can get past the "high ground" conceit and ignore the Germanic uber alles overtones. Its literal meaning is obvious enough and it does fit with the air force's most basic precept, that mastery of the air means mastery of the ground.

Yet today's air force seeks more than that. It wants to extend its "mastery" to space ("the new high ground") and even to cyberspace. This is yet another disturbing manifestation of our military's quest for "full spectrum dominance", achieved at debilitating cost to the American taxpayer - and a potentially destabilizing one to the planet.

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fade2bluz on May 8, 2008 at 08:14 PM

Posted by fade2bluz on May 8, 2008 at 08:14 PM

While I can appreciate LTC Astore's position on the cost of doing what the Air Force proposes, to not extend its dominance into space is tantamount to a dereliction of duty, IMHO. Certainly, other nations will not subscribe to this proposal and I think of China specifically. The only way I would agree with this article is if the entire planet was at peace. And until then, to not protect this nation from space-based and cyberspace attacks is unthinkable, no matter what the cost.

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BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 8, 2008 at 08:25 PM

Posted by fade2bluz on May 8, 2008 at 08:14 PM

This is bush and cheney's fascist manifesto. "Today the World, Tomorrow the Universe." Even Star Trek didn't have this ambition.

bush and cheney are stunningly arrogant and stupid and must be stopped.

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Johne on May 8, 2008 at 08:36 PM

Policy

I think that this is where we Democrats stand to gain the most. Our foreign policy should reverse the isolationism brought in by the Bush administration. This is the policy decision which turned widespread Middle Eastern sympathy immediately following the attacks of September 11, 2001 into widespread disapproval and in many cases outright hatred. Obviously this is a consequence of the lies told by the Bush administration to get us into Iraq, which most Americans realize, but I don't believe that we have yet explained the greater consequences of Iran, renewed interest in terrorist organization leading to a regrowth of those organizations, and now a possible region wide conflict between Sunni and Shiite which has now spread to Lebanon.

As for the Economy, we are ready and able to illustrate the many bad decisions made by a Bush administration so distracted from the economy that it failed to understand, along with John McCain, that there was even a problem until it was too late for a simple solution. In addition, our economy's current situation displays quite clearly the disconnect that exists between those who believe in trickle down economics and the results of a Bush tax cut for the rich that promised nothing but good things. The fact of the matter is, if you keep money out of the pockets of those who spend it on the economy at rates far greater than those of the excessively wealthy, then our economy will be negatively effected.

No comparison here between McCain and Obama. Obama's policy decisions promise to take all of this into account. In the meantime, John McCain promises to further promote those policies which got us into this mess to start with.

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Marine on May 8, 2008 at 08:36 PM

America uber alles. bush probably considers himself part of the super race.

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Johne on May 8, 2008 at 08:39 PM
Cindy McCain says she'll never release her tax returns

Link

So as a First Lady of a President, who has privileged info about business interests, will McCain's wife be made to put her financial in neutral parties hands, while in the White House. So if she runs a business as First Lady will that give her an unfair advantage over others? As a wife, will she have to declare her tax returns? If she does not then her husband can use her to hide his secret business interests. If she uses her corporate jet now to fly her husband around, can you imagine, what she will do as First lady. Congress, make it so that both have to be accountable to "We the people" accountants against possible financial mis dealings.

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YoungPoet on May 8, 2008 at 08:46 PM

Posted by Harpo_loves_this_free_DNC_site on May 8, 2008 at 08:32 PM

We have our nominee picked. We're at the same point y'all (i.e. the GOP) were when former Gov. Romney (R-MA) bowed out. Sen. Clinton (D-NY) is our version of former Gov. Huckabee (R-AR). What held us up is the proportional delegate allocation. Look for changes to that at the next meeting of the Rules Committee.

You're absolutely right about England and Italy though. London elected it's first ever Tory mayor on a law and order platform and Burlesconi (sp?) won the Italian PM slot for the second time after the center-left coalition of the previous administration collapsed.

My guess is illegal immigration is first and foremost on the minds of European voters. They're looking to the conservatives for a crackdown on such as we did here to a certain degree. No one there wants a repeat of the French riots to happen in their respective countries.

Of course, when our American conservatives had control here, nothing was done on illegal immigration even when the GOP had the votes to do something. In the GOP, it would appear, money trumps everything else including security. Once again it has been proven that the GOP is the best that money can buy.

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BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 8, 2008 at 08:47 PM

Is bush lying? Were these two attaches CIA spies?
I don't believe anything that comes out of Washington with this gang in the white house.

WASHINGTON, May 8 - RIA Novosti, Arkady Orlov. The administration of George Bush believes that the expulsion from Russia of two American Embassy military attaches was not a sign of deteriorating US-Russian relations, said on Thursday in Washington, the Acting Deputy Secretary of State for Political Affairs Daniel Fried.

"From our perspective, this is not a sign of a broader diplomatic struggle. This is not a sign of any deterioration," - said zamgossekretarya dollars.

He said "we are looking at such incidents as that happens from time to time in US-Russian relations."

"That happens, and now we would like to see this process ended" - stressed Fried.

Washington does not consider the expulsion of diplomats sign of deteriorating relations

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Johne on May 8, 2008 at 08:52 PM

if you keep money out of the pockets of those who spend it on the economy at rates far greater than those of the excessively wealthy, then our economy will be negatively effected.

Posted by Marine on May 8, 2008 at 08:36 PM

Very good. I thought bush majored in economics. bush apparently flunked out. A lot of rich people still have the first dollar they ever earned and they aren't about to share. rayguns trickle-down econimics is a crock. raygun must have majored in theater in college if he even went to college.

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Johne on May 8, 2008 at 09:00 PM

Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The populist revolution has begun!

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BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 8, 2008 at 09:02 PM

Marine on May 8, 2008 at 08:36 PM

I agree, Marine, but if o8ama is our nominee just watch how this plays out in the MSM. The MSM has already gone to its pie-in-the-sky sparkle mode in any reference to John McCain. Do you think it will be any different in the general election?

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davidual on May 8, 2008 at 09:05 PM

One reason that I think Hillary should stay in the campaign to the end, win or lose, is that she is helping to toughen O8ama for what he will undoubtedly endure from the Republican mud machine.

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davidual on May 8, 2008 at 09:11 PM

Think about it this way. If O8ama thinks he's taking a lot of heat now, well, just wait until he gets to sense the full wrath of the republican mud slingers. He must be fast and keen to avoid another "swift boat" incident like what dragged Kerry down. What he is currently enduring is preparing him for what he will endure. Just like with debates; practice makes perfect, and I can't wait to see O8ama debate Mc5ame.

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davidual on May 8, 2008 at 09:20 PM

Well, I'm out for tonight. My 100 mbs internet connection is acting more like a dial up. It's taking three, or four minutes to post anything. Sheesh, it's not even a long thread.

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davidual on May 8, 2008 at 09:24 PM

david
I am sure you are right
What got my dander up was when she said {para} "the REASON I am staying in and trying to draw blood, is so he will become vetted"
like she is doing it all so he can beat John McCain.
Swiftboating won't work with Obama

Racists and Bigots are the only ones who will hear, and they wouldn't have voted for him anyway.
The ones who are supposed Hillary supporters have been showing up on McCains site the last couple of days, spewing these remarks and saying they are joining with McCain to keep ****^%$(*& Obama out.
I remind them that if they are Hillary supporters, they have forgotten the black vote is what helped get Bill elected twice.

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highserenity on May 8, 2008 at 09:31 PM

Dav, to reduce the posting time after you hit post then hit f5...it will post almost immediatly

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Followthmoney on May 8, 2008 at 09:36 PM

To those that question me, I am a Democrat born from Democrats. I may have voted for some Republicans but very few. When Kerry ran the last time, I held Kerry signs in Alabama and got cursed, and flipped off, because Bush was a disaster and we needed change from W stickers. Things have changed and W sticker will get the curse words now. I am a Obama supporter after Edwards dropped out.

The dream ticket would be Obama/Clinton ticket with Edwards as Attorney General. It is the only ticket to unite the Democratic Party in one front. Like LBJ joining JFK as a Vice President the combination assured Democrats a victory against Nixon.

With Real Change needed in Washington we cannot recycle the Clinton name for President right now. We need to rid Washington of its Corporate "At Will" Bush government first and restore Constitutional values over Executive Privilage redefinitions like John Yoo's.

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YoungPoet on May 8, 2008 at 09:41 PM

Hillary Clinton is now working for a committed VP spot, but the Kitchen Sink must go.

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YoungPoet on May 8, 2008 at 09:52 PM

Talk is going around that Obama might pay Clinton's debts. That is not going to go over well. The 1.5 million ordinary folks (not global corporate companies) gave the money to him for him. They will be angry if their money goes to her.

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newsjunkie on May 8, 2008 at 10:06 PM

To win in November the dems have to do more than just point out the failures of republican ideals they must show the plan to save this country. If our dollar sinks much lower foriegn investors will trade in american investments and put money into euros or other currency, if that happens, well I don't want to say.

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newsjunkie on May 8, 2008 at 10:15 PM
It is time for a new generation. The Clintons' stranglehold on the levers of the Democratic Party is over. Obama is on the verge of writing a new progressive chapter in American history. He does not need Hillary Clinton as an appendage in that chapter. He needs to make a clean sweep and find himself a vice presidential running mate that shares his values, principles and beliefs. And of course, a Vice President who will not spew lies to the American people, and pretend to have misspoken. We are tired of the lying, the pandering and the misspeaking.

Obama's vice presidential pick — boy that sounds very good. It will be his first real test of quality leadership that can be verified and trusted. It will be his first public commitment of his desire to change Washington's politics and he must send a clear message that the old guards of ‘business as usual' are completely out. Hillary on the ticket is the absolute wrong message and a slap in the faces of the millions across the country who, mobilized on the principle of meaningful and progressive change in Washington, shouted: "Yes we can!"

Interestingly, some of the same suspect pundits who aligned with Hillary to fight Obama are the ones who are now suggesting that he should invite her to his side. Party unity at the expense of violating ones core beliefs and principles is called pandering and political expediency. Obama has demonstrated that he represents more than just talk but a new breed of politician. The gas tax debate between himself and Hillary showed that he is prepared to do what is right and not necessarily what may be politically expedient. He boldly and honestly declared to all Americans, even at the risk of losing popularity with some, that he would not unleash such "gimmicks" on the American people. It is that spirit of truthfulness, openness and transparency that the people of North Carolina rewarded. It is that quality for honesty that the people of Iowa recognized on Day One, and felt refreshed and exhilarated. It is that same principle that will rally the nation to Obama in a general election. And, ultimately, it is that principle of sincerity and honest engagement that will wash away the filthy mud with which George W. Bush disfigured Washington's face and restore domestic and international respect for American values.

It is ironic that the individual who has tailored an inclusive campaign, irrespective of color, class, race, ethnicity or economic background, is the same person the established media wants us to think will not be able to get white votes. This, I think is a gross insult to the American people, especially white Americans, who have shown that they are prepared to engage in honest dialogue and are ready to set aside old prejudices for a brand new experiment. He has won millions of white votes. Must America's millions of non-whites resign themselves to the theory that American whites will forever continue to wade in the murky waters of racism and senseless discrimination? The Obama campaign is showing that the United States of America can and must finally and permanently establish itself among the international community of nations where people can be truly and wholesomely liberated from racism, fascism and xenophobia.

http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/75060/VP-Choice-Is-Obama%5C%5Cs,-Not-Hillary%5C%5Cs.htm

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highserenity on May 8, 2008 at 10:33 PM

D----A McCain is running in the center? what planet are you living on? Obama will win the general. We are in such dire straits economic fear inflicted on this country by the republicans is greater than the fear of terrorism. Hillary is almost a republican with her vote for the war and NAFTA. Even many religious leaders realize they must vote economic not social religious issues, and they will be getting that message out. Getting out of Iraq and the environment and healthcare, that used to be left. are the new center and McCain ain't there.

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newsjunkie on May 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

There is simply no comparison between John McCain and Barack Obama. This is why the republicans would prefer not running against him, but they are going to have to.

A vast majority of Americans disagree with not just the handling of the economy and this war, but with those who have justified it all. John McCain has done this and because he continues to do this will not win the people's vote.

At the same time, Barack Obama will continue to offer solutions to both the economy and the Middle East, which are connected by the way. Obama will remove tax breaks from the wealthy individual and highly profittable businesses that have no need of such breaks to begin with. At the same time he will meet with the leaders of nations with whom the Bush administration and many others disagree with and for that reason are willing to use threat first. And in this way Barack may just be able to return some sanity to our policy concerning the Middle East.

Of course those who wish to defeat Obama will claim that there is no plan in place at all, we expect them to. But there is a plan nonetheless and likely one that his opponents disagree with for personal reasons. (Likely because the bulk of their support comes from these priviledged folk.) In the meantime, Obama stands with the people who know, in spite of the smokescreens, that a solution is within our reach which does not involve acceptance of another's superior intellect.

Obsurd isn't it, that we are having this conversation after those who claim to know better stood behind the failing policies and the results we are now forced to address?

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Marine on May 8, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Good evening, all.

Just stopping by.

Just an observation, but those white working class people that Hillary keeps saying will vote only for her instead of for Obama or McCain...they seem to be getting a little ticked off by her presumption and are beginning to show signs of rebelling.

If they were so enamored by her charm, why didn't she carry Indiana in a landslide? Proud Americans don't like being taken for granted or used as pawns.

They also don't like politicians who pander or make us stories to make themselves look more important. The gulliblity factor here can't be ignored.

She would do well not to challenge them too hard in the remaining states. Another fib over her heroric past or pushing outrageous promises too hard and she could very well find these voters giving Obama a second look.

If I was Hillary, I'd take a Supreme Court appointment and stop pushing my luck. Her long farewell is pushing the limits of everyone's patience. She's beginning to look like McCain wandering around in the wilderness.

Once your base starts having second thoughts, you've stayed too long at the fair, Hill.

Take the offer. A life appointment is a lot easier than having to keep on raising money for the next election campaign....and having to worry about what Bill might do next to derail your career.

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SandyH on May 8, 2008 at 11:41 PM

sandy
sorry if igonorant
What supreme court appointment?

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highserenity on May 8, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Posted by newsjunkie on May 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

McCain is running in the middle of the hell that Bush created. He's doing a slow burn as voters contemplate the horrors of a third Bush term.

sally* is hoping that a Hillary-lead campaign will create some sort of GOP purgatory from which Congressional Republicans will be saved from a complete route in November.

And even if she did, McCain couldn’t figure out where it was.

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SandyH on May 8, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Hi, high.

Why the one Obama is going to offer her if she bows out graciously. These political tiffs always end up with a deal being made.

I think it would be the height of irony if she was appointed to the same Court that the conservatives want to dominate. Dominate? Hell, she'll show them who is in charge in no uncertain terms.

Have a good night, folks.

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SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 12:05 AM

My posts are disappearing. I'll catch up with you in the morning, high...if you can see this. I'm signing off.

Good night, all.

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SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 12:09 AM

One for the road...

BEGALA: ....My advice to Barack Obama is put the jam on the lower shelf where the little folk can reach it.

Donna Brazile, Paul Begala Angrily Spar Over Dem Stereotypes

Jason Linkins
The Huffington Post
May 9, 2008
www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/brazile-and-begala-angril_n_100500.html

This is what I was talking about in my above post at 11:41 PM. Who is being elitist now? You don't treat white working class people like they are pawns. You can call them bitter (when they are), but you can't take them for granted.

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SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 12:28 AM

Someone needs to get in there and shut her down before she does real damage. She is contantly bringing up the white / black thing as a means to convince SDs that he can't win. And today, she almost sounded as if she trying to integrate the gender thing as a civil rights threat.

If the SDs sit on the side for this show, we deserve to lose in November. It's almost as if she can't have, he can't either.

My dislike for that woman grows everyday.

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Joeh on May 9, 2008 at 03:14 AM

good morning. i see the troll activity is picking up. i guess the seed sorting business must have taken a dive.

anyhow vino fassella down in staten island is gonna have to take one for the team:

"Yesterday Representative Vito Fossella said he would make another announcement about his DWI arrest today, and it was quite the bombshell for the Staten Island GOP machine: He admitted to having an affair with retired Air Force Colonel Laura Fay and fathering a three-year-old daughter with her."

republican dummie flames out

if you want some really good laughs catch last nights "30 rock". jack ( alec baldwin ) takes a job with the bush administration and the portrayal of that nest of idiots and vampires is hysterical. you can view it at nbc's web site i believe

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gregg on May 9, 2008 at 07:07 AM

more really good news for the repelican party and the american worker:

LONDON (Reuters) - U.S. crude oil futures rose to a fresh record high of $125.98 a barrel on Friday.

They were trading $2.11 higher at $125.80 by 7:09 a.m. EDT.

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gregg on May 9, 2008 at 07:29 AM

This sounds like the U.S. under bush. He doesn't give a flying f**k about Americans.

"Believe me the government will not allow outsiders to go into the devastated area. The government only cares about its own stability. They don't care about the plight of the people," said Yangon food shop owner Joseph Kyaw, one of many residents angry at the regime for doing little to help them recover from the storm's destruction."

UN blasts Myanmar for visa policy on aid workers

Meanwhile chimpenfuhrer is showing his true colors. He is more than willing to help his reich banker friends and hedge fund managers and f**k the American people.

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democrats' plans to help hundreds of thousands of homeowners struggling with rising subprime mortgage rates and plummeting house values could be sidetracked by President Bush's threatened veto and the backing of many congressional Republicans."

Housing aid bill faces veto by President Bush

chimpenfuhrer is a dictator just like the dictator in Myanmar.

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Johne on May 9, 2008 at 07:30 AM

Morning gregg,

The 15,000 acre fire is still burning just north of us. After 3 weeks it is still only 60% contained. It was most likely started by a repellican with a campfire or a rash limpballs type throwing his cigar out the window. I can hear him now. "These people need work anyway so what's the big deal".

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Johne on May 9, 2008 at 07:37 AM

The dopey, dimwitted, dipstick twins have been leaving their droppings all over.

The sanitation crew will need a 4" fire hose and a lot of air freshener this morning.

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 07:40 AM

TELL THAT F**KING RAGHEAD "KING" WHO IS IN CHARGE OF SAUDI ARABIA TO INCREASE OIL PRODUCTION NOW!

chimpenfuhrer is going over there next week with hat in hand to kiss the king's ass and beg for more oil.
"boohoo, everybody hates me and I don't know why."

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Johne on May 9, 2008 at 07:42 AM

from the " we have marked down the self shining shoes and would be glad to take that spare change off your hands department ":

WaPo
"Faced with a national outcry over the high price of gasoline and soaring profits for energy companies, the oil and gas industry is waging an unusually pricey campaign to burnish its image...

...The American Petroleum Institute, the industry's main lobby, has embarked on a multiyear, multimedia, multimillion-dollar campaign...

..."We decided that if we didn't do something to help people understand the basics of our industry..."

actually guys we do understand the basics of your industry:
1. make as much money as possible for share holders and upper level administrators
2. ignore or evade or lobby to change regulatory laws
3. attack critics with expensive pr campaigns.
4. fund junk science fronts that question the harmful impacts of emissions.
5. laugh all the way to the bank.

so save your money, sit back and pay no attention to the mob outside with the torches and pitchforks...they must be heading for a pep rally at the local college!

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gregg on May 9, 2008 at 07:43 AM

Good morning Johne and Gregg

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 07:44 AM

Morning Dems !

the big FLUSH will take place shortly, and it will be just like the low class trash never existed, so hang in there ! :)


Morning paper says some AlQaeda leader was captured in Iraq, then the Internet stories say No he wasn't. Typical Bush Failure again!
Lies, Lies, and more Lies.

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PamB on May 9, 2008 at 07:44 AM

fosella is a perfect example of Republican Family Values. It seems as if all Republicans are Assholes.

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Johne on May 9, 2008 at 07:46 AM

Morning JohnBoy and Pam.

chimpenfuhrer is back-peddling as fast as he can but he can't keep up with the lies.

What a sorry bunch of losers in Washington.

US military denies Iraq report of al-Qaida arrest

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Johne on May 9, 2008 at 07:52 AM

Good morning Pam

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 07:54 AM

JohnBoy,

Are you talking about chimpenfuhrer's dimwitted dipstick daughters by any chance. I wonder how much this faux wedding is costing the American working man?

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Johne on May 9, 2008 at 07:57 AM

We need to send the sanitation crew into the White House too. Lie on isle 4. War crimes on aisle 5. $1,000 a barrel oil on aisle 6.

I am off to work. bbl.

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Johne on May 9, 2008 at 08:01 AM

Looks like I lost a post:

It may be time to tell the oil companies to quit screwing the American people or else:

We will nationalize your oil companies under the procedures that Bush put in place for "state of national emergency" The destruction of our economy by the oil companies and the camel humpers in the Middle East may well constitute a state of National emergency by the time President Obama takes office.

The camel humpers need to be reminded very forcefully by President Obama that we saved them from Saddam and want the ptice of crude lowered as soon as he takes office.

Bush is in no position to insist on this because he is their pimp. If he gets any concessions from them it will because they want to make McCain more electable. Pimps do as pimps do!

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 08:06 AM

Posted by goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 08:06 AM

I neglected to mention that nationalizing the oil companies would hurt their execs and share holders.

As far as their execs are concerned, they have already had their reward.

As far as their share holders are concerned, it seems to me that a reimbursement of $2 per share would be fitting. They too should have their reward for their greed.

Now you all know why Frosty calls me a "Commie Ass Hat". I would damn sure rather be a "Commie Asshat' than a Republican.

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 08:19 AM

Jenna's wedding is another issue, Johne, I wasn't going to dignify it by mentioning it here in the Hallowed Halls of Democracy!

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 08:24 AM

The Democratic Party must now concentrate on McBush McCain, and his Goodwill brothers of Mission Accomplished 09, where their Bush Blunders are highlighted by the "elite" of the Democratic Party. The "elite" are "We the people" patriots, who own this nations government over "At Will" Royal Executive Privilege Presidents.

Obama have Democrats trailing McCain's words, he is prone to making small mistakes into big ones like 100 year wars of Mission Accomplished.

Will McCain's wife, if McCain is elected, be a part of the White House or will she stay out to run her corporate empire privately. How will she stay Independent in the White House without putting her financial holdings into neutral hands, while he is in office. If she runs her company how many people will buy things from her to gain influence. Is McCain wife's corporation private or public requiring disclosure?

I am glad the Democratic Party is starting to unify again. With Progressives and Blue Dogs joining the Democrats Party united, will Lieberman join US or stay on the Republican sidelines supporting McCain, or worse running as a VP with him. Will McCain tap another Conservative Democrat to run with him, since the Republican Party under Bush was depleted?

08ama

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YoungPoet on May 9, 2008 at 08:39 AM

A Democrat is going to be the next president of these United States. If Hillary keeps talking about "her white, working class voters", there will be a flood of super delegates to Obama and they will shut this thing down fast. They will not allow the Clintons to continue to divide us by race. I would have thought that Hillary would have already gotten that message and accepted it. Apparently not.

If Obama is the nominee, he will crush McCain. The current pols mean nothing: McCain has not yet had to debate Obama on the same platform, That will be like a giant taking on an unarmed, mentally defective pygmy!

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 08:47 AM
Obama picks up superdelegates in New Jersey, Oregon

Link

I new one and one that switched sides.

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YoungPoet on May 9, 2008 at 08:53 AM

Posted by YoungPoet on May 9, 2008 at 08:53 AM

Thanks for the info! The movements of the remaining super delegates to Obama has only begun!

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 09:01 AM

BBS

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 09:06 AM

Dusty 2006 and your problem is?

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newsjunkie on May 9, 2008 at 09:14 AM

Good morning, all.

"Believe me the government will not allow outsiders to go into the devastated area. The government only cares about its own stability. They don't care about the plight of the people," said Yangon food shop owner Joseph Kyaw, one of many residents angry at the regime for doing little to help them recover from the storm's destruction."

Why does this sound so familiar? Didn't Bush reject all help from other countries during the unfolding tragedy of Katrina...when he finally realized there was a problem three days later?

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SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 09:19 AM

Earlier, I made the statement that Bush is a pimp. He has pimped for the Republican power structure that put him in office, he has pimped for the Saudi's who he is in bed with as a war profiteer.

In addition to that, he is a dullard. He mangles the English language and can not string two congruent sentences or thoughts together. He is not intellectually curious.

His understanding of economics is dismal and most distressing!

John McCain is the same and worse than Bush bwecause McCain appears to be mentally impaired. McCain needs to get a brain scan and retire for treatment.

Save your nation!

VOTE DEMOCRATIC!!!!!!

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 09:21 AM

Hey Dusty

You are a compassionate conservative if you

Believe that it's OK for China to poisen food, toys and goods sent to america as long as someone is making some kick ass money

Believe that the bible should replace the constitution

Believe that paying for the war in the general budget instead of hiding the cost in supplementals is a value

Believe that imposing your beliefs on others is freedom

Believe that formal education is worthless because you don't have one

Believe that future generations should pay your war bills

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newsjunkie on May 9, 2008 at 09:26 AM

Good morning all you hard working Dems---
I woke up this morning excited about finally having such a wonderful candidate to support and elect President of the United States.
For the first time in "forever", I get to vote FOR SOMEONE I know will make me again proud to be an American.

Earmarks seem to be the BIG DEAL for McCain’s supporters
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HIS RECORD IS ON THIS BESIDES THE FACT THAT HE NEVER ASKED FOR EARMARKS FOR HIS CONSTITUENTS

What has he ACTUALLY DONE to protect us from the most out of control hidden spending in Congress the last 8 years in the history of the United States of America?

How long has John McCain been in the Senate?
At least for the last 8 years, his party has been in full control and power to pass whatever bills they want---what has McCain done about passing legislation/bills on earmarks? There was no one to stop him?

How long has Barack Obama been in the Senate?
What has Barack Obama done while he was there, against all odds, ie/why has the republican controlled Senate, including McCain blocked Obama’s REAL work/efforts to stop lobbyists and out of control spending, that has tripled in the last 8 years

Hear is just one example:
S. 2261 [109th]: Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act of 2006


What is John McCain's RECORD?

Barack Obama's Record: Federal Ethics Reform: Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law. The Washington Post wrote in an editorial, "The final package is the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet." Google for Government: Americans have the right to know how their tax dollars are spent, but that information has been hidden from public view for too long. That's why Barack Obama and Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) passed a law to create a Google-like search engine to allow regular people to approximately track federal grants, contracts, earmarks, and loans online. The Chicago Sun-Times wrote, "It would enable the public to see where federal money goes and how it is spent. It's a brilliant idea." Illinois Reform: In 1998, Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned most gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations. A High Standard: Unlike other candidates Obama's campaign refuses to accept contributions from Washington lobbyists and political action committees.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2261

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highserenity on May 9, 2008 at 09:29 AM

Obama wins endorsement of government employees union
By JESSE HOLLAND – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The president of the American Federation of Government Employees says the influential union is endorsing Democrat Barack Obama for president.

AFGE President John Gage — a superdelegate to the Democratic National Convention — says he will also personally back Obama. The union endorsement gives the Illinois senator fresh momentum toward capturing the nomination.

Gage said Friday the endorsement was a recognition of the enthusiasm and vitality behind the Illinois senator's campaign.

Obama's candidacy has been picking steam since Tuesday, when he won the North Carolina primary and held rival Hillary Rodham Clinton to a narrow victory in Indiana.

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highserenity on May 9, 2008 at 09:34 AM

Posted by newsjunkie on May 9, 2008 at 09:14 AM

He's one of sally*'s alter egos.

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SandyH on May 9, 2008 at 09:35 AM

Posted by newsjunkie on May 9, 2008 at 09:26 AM

You are also a "Compassionate Conservative" if you:

1) Cut the budget for Medicade to keep the most helpless of our citizens in poverty

2) Cut the budget for Medicare to denige help to our older citizens, who through their taxes, have supported their government all their lives. The attitude is "You can't pay taxes any more? Then screw you!"

I could go on but I have to leave for a meeting.

Have a great day all!...Later

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goodfoe on May 9, 2008 at 09:36 AM

The dictators in Myranmar (however you spell it) won't let the U.S. in to help because they are afraid that our dictators, Bush and Cheney, will take over their real estate.

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newsjunkie on May 9, 2008 at 09:38 AM

Good morning, ALL!

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NEW OPEN THREAD!

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 9, 2008 at 09:38 AM

Can you believe the gall of the DNC to e-mail me for contributions, when I as a Floridian am a second class citizen in the Democratic Party? Here's what they need to do.
1) Fire Howard Dean
2) Take away the Superdelgates from Florida which is what Dean should have done in the first place. Its the Superdelegates who are the party leaders who changed the date of the primary.
3) Agree to do the state primaries on a rotating basis so that Iowa and NH don't go first every time. It would change every time.
4) Declare that voting in the Democratic primary is a RIGHT for every Democrat. A right can not be taken away!

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Bamboozled on May 9, 2008 at 05:00 PM

I looooove howard! Thanks Howard for getting us congress back especially your work in helping to recruit some of the best, new senators we have ever seen. I would be losing my mind if we didn't have a majority in the house and and least a stand off in the senate - thanks again howard dean.

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newsjunkie on May 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM


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