What about ending the "war"? That's the biggest pork-barrel earmark going!

After reading Clinton's comments about her husband winning the nomination in June and other events that happened in June, my opinion of Hillary dropped even more now.

I know, watching Barack and Hillary travel this country, we have nothing but the highest hopes that nothing bad happens and that their efforts will only strengthen their positions and the party.

We have all watched and/or learned about the events in the 60's. We are all betting on the America of today. We are betting that it is a stronger, more tolerent, America. So far, it has proven it is.

Hillary's comments are way beneath her or any democrat. Her insistance on her campaign strategy, "Anything to win," is disturbing.

I don't mind if Hillary stays in the race, but I think at this point she needs to come to the conclusion that she placed 2nd in this race and be gracious.

She must be positive to the democratic cause and spread that message through the end of her campaign. She must not attack Obama, but be fierce with McCain. She must allow the rules committee to meet regarding FL and MI, and she MUST accept whatever outcome her fellow democrats on that committee decide.

Even more she needs to personally call Obama and appoligize for those remarks.

I just got home and saw this in the Yahoo headlines. What in the hell is going on?

Clinton cites Kennedy assassination in primaries

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has issued a quick apology after citing the 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy as a reason she should remain in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination despite increasingly long odds.

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080523/ap_on_el_pr/clinton

I have no idea from what context this remark was made, and I cannot conceive of any reason for the comparison. Someone needs to take the holiday week end off.

Posted by SandyH on May 23, 2008 at 05:10 PM
OK, I read the article. My next question is "What is she smoking?" Those remarks are so out in left field, she's not even in the ball park.
I already have an Obama yard sign, maybe I'll go get another one, and some bumper stickers too!

I had a couple of extra minutes and - just for kicks - went to wikipedia and pulled up the bio for Pastor Hagee and the bio for Rev. J. Wright.
It's really an intereting comparrison:
For instance - J. Hagee got his undergrad degree at Trinity University and Rev. Wright got his at Howard University.
Hagee's Masters came from university of North Texas and Wright's was earned at University of Chicago Divinity School.
Hagee's PhD is honorary while Wright's was earned at United Theological Seminary.
In 1960 Hagee dumped his wife and left his children to, in his own words, become "immoral in my personal conduct." He ultimately married a parishoner 12 years his junior.
From what I could find, Rev. Wright is still married to his first and only wife.
Hagee was 'defrocked' (his minister status was revoked) by the Assemblies of God, whom he sued.
I could find nothing about Wright even being 'kicked out' of or suing any religious group/institution.
Wright proudly served his country in the Marines and in the Navy and has multiple Presidential Commendations. Hagee, like a lot of prominent Repubs, never 'stood a post' much less received any commendations.
Hagee glorifies Hitler (pure evil) while Wright condemns the racist atmosphere that he expereinced in his life.
Hmmm
makes you want to think.
Are the repubs sure that they want to play the 'compare the ministers' game? I think I know who'll win that round!

Posted by SandyH on May 23, 2008 at 05:10 PM

She is definitely done. Before the nation gathers the tar and feathers, she needs to bow out. I truly feel badly for her, I can only imagine that she is suffering from exhaustion.

Posted by marymac_memphis on May 23, 2008 at 05:28 PM

mary,

Why do all these male TV evangelists seem to have wife problems that are corrected by marrying a parishioner 12 years their junior? Hagee seems to have patterned his life after Newt Gingrich not Jesus.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on May 23, 2008 at 05:32 PM

Blue,

I can only assume that the same person who wrote that line for her is the one who is doing her math, too.

(Oops, repost from previous thread)

I'm back. That RFK assassination comment was beyond the pale. For her info, and the rest of the e-mail shriekers who start repeating that may I remind them that the 1992 Campaign season didn't START until the Iowa Caucuses on 2-10-92.

THIS year it was 1-3-08 BECAUSE MI and FL kept moving up the date.

By her logic, she should have quit a month ago.

She can kiss any VP consideration adios at this point, unless Obama wants to hire a food taster and wear a flak jacket at all times.

This will definitely bring out the Freepers with their "Hillary had Vince Foster murdered" rants.

Posted by marymac_memphis on May 23, 2008 at 05:28 PM
LOL! I'd say that your comparison between Wright and Hagee shows that there's no comparison!

BTW, this thread is acting weird again. I'm having to post in one copy of Firefox, minimize that, open another Firefox so I can see that my comment posted, and then go back and close the other one because it is still trying to post the comment that has already been posted.
Here I go again!

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 23, 2008 at 05:57 PM

It's funny, because I read this on a blog earlier this a.m. and chose not to post it....but now...

And how can he be sure all of his pledged delegates will survive until the August convention, which is more than three months away? We all know what the Clintons are capable of, as the World Net Daily, the Internet's most reliable news source, amply documented in the case of Vince Foster. Obama has fewer than 200 more delegates than Hillary as it stands now. How many of them will mysteriously disappear before the convention?

http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2008/05/barack-obama-should-concede-nomination.html

I hope this latest demonstration of the Clinton tactics convinces Howard Dean to put a stop to the damaging campaign. As an independent I am willing, to not only vote but to actively participate in the campaign to have Senator Obama become President Obama. However I would never, under no circumstances vote for the Clintons. This country does not deserve those circumstances and the hispanic community in Florida understands that and will not support her. Those of you that are registered and participating Democrats should write to Howard Dean and have him step. May be it is time for Howard Dean to be removed from the leadership of the Democratic party. His lack of action in regards to this nomination is evidence of his support for the Democratic establishment ie THE CLINTONS. Piensen, ya llego la hora de apoyar al candidato de la concertacion. El que nos va apoyar y unir como un pueblo, sin distinccion de raza. Obama 2008, si se puede. Florida con Obama.

Sandy/Butte: My grandparents and great grandparents were Christian Missionaries and my Dad was a Deacon in the church. Pastor Hagee represents little of anything that I was taught.

BTW - on behalf of the State of Tennessee I apologize to the country for the votes of both of our Senators against the Webb bill. I wrote both of them before and asked them to support the bill and I wrote them and asked them to make the veto override unanimous. I don't know if it will do any good; but, that's why I'm working for Bob Tuke who is running against Sen. Alexander!

Sandy/Butte: My grandparents and great grandparents were Christian Missionaries and my Dad was a Deacon in the church. Pastor Hagee represents little of anything that I was taught.

BTW - on behalf of the State of Tennessee I apologize to the country for the votes of both of our Senators against the Webb bill. I wrote both of them before and asked them to support the bill and I wrote them and asked them to make the veto override unanimous. I don't know if it will do any good; but, that's why I'm working for Bob Tuke who is running against Sen. Alexander!

Posted by marymac_memphis on May 23, 2008 at 06:23 PM
I don't think that Hagee represents much of anything that most Christians, no matter what denomination, have been taught.
Some of his rantings seemed to me to be closer to the white supremacist Christian Identity bunch, than to real Christianity.

Blog is acting up - I assure you - I only posted that once.
On a lighter note: the comment about 1968 reminded me of a lot of bad stuff but it also reminded me of how O'lielly bounced off the chest of that Secret Service agent when he tried to chase Sen. Obama that time. That was so funny.

Though she has now apologized for that very strange and tasteless comment to the Argus-Leader, this was not the first time she's said it. This from her interview with TIME Managing Editor Richard Stengel, published March 6:

TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/hillarys_bizarre_rfk_comment.html

closer to the white supremacist Christian Identity bunch, than to real Christianity.

Posted by Butte on May 23, 2008 at 06:30 PM
I live within just a few miles of three (3) mega churches (bigger than shopping malls) that are to one degree or another Hagee's brand of Christianity and for them the phrase "Family Values" is just code for "vote racist." Your comment about White Supremacist is absolutely 'on the nose.'
About the worst one I have heard in this area: I over heard (which is a real trick since I am 70% deaf!) in a restaurant a minister say, "I know that some of your noticed the Blacks (not Black people or people of color or even African Americans - just blacks) who visited our Church today and it bothered you but we need to welcome them with open arms because Church is a place for sinners and they clearly need it, even more than we do." Can you imagine someone saying something like that, out loud? I was sickened.

Posted by Butte on May 23, 2008 at 05:27 PM

Butte,

This may go down as the worst run Democratic presidential campaign in history...right besides the worst presidential administration in history.

There are people in the Clinton campaign who obviously never knew RFK or understand the race he was running and why. Any Democrat who lived through that year when both MLK and Bobby were taken from us knows what I'm talking about.

I feel like someone has kicked me in the stomach and stomped on my heart.

I don't care what point she was trying to make about campaigns not being over till much later. The primaries didn't use to end in June, so she was wrong in using that comparison, too.

Never again. That's what we all said at the time. And here we are 40 years later and some people are using assassination remarks as political ploys? She and Huckabee make quite a pair.

So McCain has done the right thing - it's never too late to do that - in repudiating Hagee. I like that, but wonder why his apologists are saying his association with Hagee was different from Obama's with Wright? For example, Leiberman said, on ABC:

"Well, look, I think that the DNC is obviously doing this because they set Pastor Hagee as some kind of response to Reverend Wright for Senator Obama. But I don't think that's fair in the basic way that everybody's already said which is that John McCain never went to Pastor Hagee's church. He accepted his endorsement."

But by gosh! You know what? Leiberman is right! McCain didn't have a long association with Hagee. We won't go into why that should have made it easier to repudicate him, but I'm sure everybody knows how problematic it is when you see differences developing between yourself and a longtime friend. McCain apparently didn't know Hagee for long. He just heard him preach - I assume he listened - and noted his following and then, courted, yeah, that's right, courted his endorsement after listening to him preach. Is that pandering of the most repulsive sort or am I just being picky?

So here's the difference: McCain heard hate from Hagee and courted him; Obama heard hate from his longtime family friend and pastor Wright and publically renounced him.

Primary contests used to last a lot longer.

Blue,

"Used to be" is the key here. It's all over on June 3 this year, because Florida and Michigan pushed the rest of the states to move up their primaries.

How can you say something and the meaning of it not register?

Well, forget that. Bush has taken that dynamic to a whole new level. Nevermind.

Good early evening.

It's really time for Hillary to get realistic and put her campaign in suspend. This race is over. Obama is our nominee. Here is the only "math" that counts:

Delegates: Pledged Super Total Needed
Obama 1,659.5 309.5 1,969 56
Clinton 1,500.5 278.5 1,779 246
Remaining 86 208 294

Even if Hillary gets all of Florida and Michigan, she can't win! Obama will come close to hitting the magic number in the next round of primaries.

Well, Hillary's luck is really rotten today.

I just got a call from Rasmussen and they asked me about what I think of her. I would normally have said generally favorable, but after the stunt she pulled today, I told them no so much. (I'm beginnng to understand Obama's "I like her well enough" comment and now think it wasn't so smug after all.)

And I also told them that I'd vote for her but not with much enthusiasm.

The Republicans in my swing state of Missouri will be gleefully telling us that they told us so...and I hate it when they are right. Why did she put me in this position?

"It's so hard sometimes." You're damned right it is, Hillary. If you are so tired that you can't think straight, stop saying anything before you alienate everyone.

And you don't think this thing has gone on long enough?

McCain's Pastor Problem On The Right Flank
by DemFromCT
Fri May 23, 2008 at 03:00:03 PM PDT

Now it's not just John Hagee, it's Rod Parsley who John McCain is renouncing (see McCain Rejects Another Hate-Preaching Pastor).

As with Hagee, Parsley was courted by McCain. Despite the fact that detailed reports of Parsley's hate-filled sermonizing were broadly available, the senator went out of his way to appeal for and accept the pastor's political blessing.

Never mind that Parsley had attacked Islam as an "anti-Christ religion" and described the Muslim prophet Muhammad as "the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil."

Never mind that the man who runs the World Harvest Church had claimed, without any historical grounding, that, "America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed."

So, what's going on?

Robert Novak has noted that John McCain has a problem with the GOP base. One such example:

An element of the Christian community is not reconciled to McCain's candidacy but instead regards the prospective presidency of Barack Obama in the nature of a Biblical plague visited upon a sinful people. These militants look at former Baptist preacher Huckabee as "God's candidate" running for president in 2012. Whether they can be written off as merely a troublesome fringe group depends on Huckabee's course.

This is brought into sharp relief with the sudden rejections of John Hagee and Rod Parsley yesterday by the McCain camp. As noted here (with links), the reaction isn't all that great for McCain on his right flank, illustrating the tightrope McCain has to walk:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/23/115141/471/510/521229

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Tee, Hee, Hee!

So McCrap's reverend problem finally caught up with the dishonest lobby lover. Good!

IT'S CONFIRMED: Hillary invoked Bobby Kennedy's June assassination as reason it's too early for her to concede in May
by John Aravosis (DC) · 5/23/2008 03:42:00 PM ET · Link
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6:29PM Rachel Maddow explains what the superdelegates should take away from this episode:

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/breaking-hillary-reportedly-invoked.html
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I have been purposely ignoring Hillary because quite honestly I suspected she has "lost it". Now, here is the proof.

It's time for the fence sitters superdels to come out and effectively end this thing. Hillary is making a fool out of herself and is just distracting us from the real race. She fought a tough battle; I'll give her that but you got to know when it's over and IT IS OVER.

HILLARY SUSPEND YOUR CAMPAIGN NOW

Whether on purpose or not at this point is irrelevant.It`s time for Hillary to bow out. I`m afraid it will take the superdelegates to force it. It really is time to end this.

They need to televise the meeting on May 31, 2008. I thought I heard Donna Brazile say that it was open, that dems are an open group -something to that effect. If they want to raise some money, give the rights to film it to the highest bidder. Then we can see who is civil, resonable, and have bucks to go after McCain. Howard are you listening? It would be the hottest ticket in town.

Looks like the sheeple are finally waking up. Faux news is toast. Even the Russians noticed.

"The US most popular TV channel Fox News has been beaten by CNN for the first time during the last seven years. Preferences of US citizens were affected by the media reporting of the election campaign and the country’s foreign policy. Twelve million TV viewers preferred the ‘objective’ CNN to Fox News that justifies George Bush’s policy.

More......

Most Americans do not even think about getting information from alternative news sources

The thing is that she actually thought it would be O.K. to say this. Especially after the Huckabee statement. This was calculated, Hillary doesn't make Gaff's. Hasn't made one Gaff this whole contest. Everything she says is calculated. (Had she calculated the race post super tuesday she would be in a different place) So how could they have calculated that this would be a plus. I think she needed the coverage. Obama and McCain have been getting all of it and she needed to get back on the MSM. Now, who do you want for your president?

Thanks you neocon pricks. Thanks for taking down America.

America’s leading public finance watchdog has sounded a warning that the US economy is vulnerable to hostile financial actions by nations that are not its “allies”.

David Walker, the US comptroller general, indicated that the huge holdings of American government debt by countries such as China, Saudi Arabia and Libya could leave a powerful financial weapon in the hands of countries that may be hostile to US corporate and diplomatic interests.

More.....

Foreign investors have more control over the US economy than Americans

What a surprise. President Asshole has finally admitted he f**ked up Iraq.

George W. Bush finally stated that the strategy of his administration in Iraq had brought little success. However, the US president added that he was not going to change the current strategy before September of the current year, when the Pentagon releases a new report on Iraq. To crown it all, Bush said that the American society and himself were tired of the war in Iraq.

More.....

Bush acknowledges America and himself tired of war in Iraq

Well, I formally deplore and renounce my vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Virginia primary.

Arrogance and bigotry speak for themselves.

Paul in Virginia

Regarding my above post comparing the accomplishments of Rev. Wright vs. Pastor Hagee. Let's add Rod Parsley into the mix.
Parsley has a bachelor's from Ohio Christian University, no masters and has HONORARY doctoral degrees. Winner and still champion = Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Doctor of Divinity (earned!).

Next: Military Service - Parsley has none that I could find but yet he often uses "militaristic metaphors" like "man your battlestations and ready your weapons" and other similar military terms. (Sounds to me like he's trying to act like he's someone he isn't!)
Winner and still champion = Rev. Wright

Patriotism - Parsley opposes the U.S. Constitution - specifically the first ammendment of the Bill of Rights. Rev. Wright didn't just swear to - he actually risked his life to protect and defend the Constitution. and again, the clear victor is = Rev. J. Wright.

Rev. Wright complains and even rants pubically about racism in the U.S., while Parsley baits and taunts Muslims, lumping all of them in with the Terrorists esentially daring them to attack us again.
Gee Whiz - this is just too easy!
WINNER = REV. J. WRIGHT

This story can't be more true of the neocons.

We are a nation of many different cultures and our people have come from all the far corners of the world seeking freedom and living a life as best they can, without war and condemnation. This was the ideal of the Statue of Liberty and many of our ancestors worked hard and long hours to provide a home for their family and food on the table.

While we are a nation of many nationalities, we are not the world's Creator or the police service for every culture that is out there. If aid is needed or assistance for humanitarian reasons, then yes, since we are all human beings, we have a need to help others - but not to place military all over the world, to interfere and cause governments to be overthrown and create conditions for riots and upheavals.

More.....

America needs America to care about Americans

KO just ripped Hillary apart in a special comment. Good gawd, I haven't seen him this angry in a long time.

Hillary has gone too far. She must suspend her campaign now.

HILLARY
SUSPEND
YOUR
CAMPAIGN
NOW

You have lost and this bitter display of rancor and downright lunacy is too much.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/23/195538/275/126/521613

Perhaps the most ironic thing about modern day America is the realization that, even though the nation was created through revolution, talk of revolution is almost nonexistent. This is perplexing, particularly since many of the conditions that fueled revolutionary rhetoric during the Nixon era of the late 1960s and early 1970s have reappeared today.

During Nixon’s presidency America was mired in Vietnam—fighting a war on foreign soil that was fabricated on nothing but exaggeration, particularly the now infamous “Gulf of Tonkin” incident. Today America is mired in Iraq—fighting a war on foreign soil that was fabricated on nothing but lies, particularly regarding the existence of “weapons of mass destruction,” and Saddam Hussein’s supposed involvement in the events of September 11, 2001.

Also, during Nixon’s time, a crook named John Mitchell occupied the Office of Attorney General, the highest law enforcement position in the country. During the Bush dictatorship that same office was again being occupied by a crook named Alberto Gonzales.

More......

Revolution, if not now, when?

Posted by Johne on May 23, 2008 at 08:50 PM
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Hi JE,

Chimp and his neocon goons such as McCain have ruined this country for decades to come. It will take a concerted effort like we haven't seen since FDR and the New Deal politics to get us on track again.

Those words, Senator?
You actually invoked the nightmare of political assassination.
You actually invoked the spectre of an inspirational leader, at the seeming moment of triumph, for himself and a battered nation yearning to breathe free, silenced forever.
You actually used the word "assassination" in the middle of a campaign with a loud undertone of racial hatred -- and gender hatred -- and political hatred.
You actually used the word "assassination" in a time when there is a fear, unspoken but vivid and terrible, that our again-troubled land and fractured political landscape might target a black man running for president.
Or a white man.
Or a white woman!
You actually used those words, in this America, Senator while running against an African-American against whom the death threats started the moment he declared his campaign?
You actually used those words, in this America, Senator, while running to break your "greatest glass ceiling" and claiming there are people who would do anything to stop you?
You!
Senator -- never mind the implications of using the word "assassination" in any connection to Senator Obama...
What about you?
You cannot say this!
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Hillary's supporters need to ask her to withdraw. She is now doing herself long term damage.

Someone needs to take the holiday week end off.

Posted by SandyH on May 23, 2008 at 05:10 PM
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Sandy, as Olbermann correctly pointed out, it doesn't matter what the context or intention was. Invoking the imagery of "assassination" is radioactive in American politics. There has just been too much blood spilled throughout our history from political violence. It's time for Hillary to suspend her campaign.

She simply can't win. There is now word of 40 California superdelegates led by Cardoza who are switching their choice. I suspect we may even see enough superdels flip over and/or endorse Obama by next week that the final primaries are academic.

I truly hope for Hillary that she hasn't permanently damaged her political career. I have nothing against the Clintons. I think it has been dreadful how they chose to campaign this time around. I expected something really crass an awful to be said by Hillary and now it happened. Her supporters should have urged her a long time ago to reign in the heated rhetoric.

I am so sad and at the same time I'm feeling very angry with the remarks made by Hillary tonight. This is unexcusable. The End.

Just the facts from the actual people involved!

Please stick to them and not gossip.

Statement from Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton issued the following statement today in Brandon, SD:

"Earlier today I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns that both my husband and Senator Kennedy waged in California in June 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June.

That’s a historic fact. The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that, whatsoever. My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to, and I’m honored to hold Senator Kennedy’s seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family."

Transcript from the Argus-Leader's editorial board meeting:

HRC: People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa.

Q: Why?

HRC: I don't know. I don't know. I find it curious. Because it is unprecedented in history. I don’t understand it. Between my opponent and his camp and some in the media there has been this urgency to end this. And historically, that makes no sense. So I find it a bit of a mystery.

Q: So you don't buy the party unity argument?

HRC: I don’t because again I've been around long enough.

My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?

We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don’t understand it. There's lots of speculation about why it is.

Q: What is your speculation?

HRC: I don't know. I find it curious. And I don't want to attribute motives or strategies to people because I don't really know, but it's a historical curiosity to me.

Statement from the Argus Leader

The Argus Leader’s Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."

Please stop the spin and Hillary bashing as a way to show your support for your candidate. Why listen to Ken he is a spin pin head only out for ratings. He is a Rush Limbaugh of TV. Yeah the 24 hour "NEWS" networks all full of them just to make money off of.

I am so sad and at the same time I'm feeling very angry with the remarks made by Hillary tonight. This is unexcusable. The End.

Posted by tiger on May 23, 2008 at 10:04 PM
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You can see it going in this direction. She just went way too far with the heated rhetoric. It's over anyway but now she may have hurt her reputation as well.

McCain's "largely fantasy" talk on earmarks earns him four, yes, four Pinnochios
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There's a lot of stuff we should be writing about John McCain. Tons. But, no, we're still stuck with the fricking endless Clinton drama sucking the oxygen out of everything.

Here's a good one about the lack of straight talk from McCain on one of his favorite subjects: Earmarks. Yes, McCain's false promises on earmarks are eviscerated by the Washington Post:

The Pinocchio Test

McCain's talk about eliminating $100 billion a year in earmarks is largely fantasy. His advisers are now promoting a more realistic plan of eliminating $100 billion in overall spending. But it is difficult to take even that promise very seriously given the fact that the senator refuses to identify exactly which projects he will be cut. To use a phrase coined by George H.W. Bush, this is "voodoo economics," based more on wishful thinking than on hard data or carefully considered policy proposals.
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Geez, these right wing asshats are just too much.
Mr. Lobbyist McCrap is once again talking out of his rear.

Friday, May 23, 2008
Will Sistani Declare Jihad on US?

Hamza Hendawi and Qassim Abdul Zahra of AP get the scoop: Their sources in Najaf tell them that young Shiite men belonging to the "Troops of the Ayatollahs" (Jund al-Marja`iyyah) militia that protects the leading Shiite clerics in the Middle Euphrates have been imploring Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani for a fatwa or formal legal ruling about whether it is permissible to attack US and other foreign troops. Hendawi and Abdul Zahra report that whereas in the past Sistani had dodged the question or given a vague answer, in recent months he has begun verbally affirming to visitors that such attacks on foreign occupation troops are permissible.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki met with Sistani on Thursday to discuss the security situation. Maliki and a government spokesman tried to spin the grand ayatollah's position as one of pure support for al-Maliki's assault on the Mahdi Army. Al-Sharq al-Awsat writes in Arabic that Sistani's brother-in-law, in Najaf, said that the Grand Ayatollah does not enter into details, but generally supports a rule of law and obedience to the government.

But Sistani's representative in Karbala, Abdul Mahdi Karbala'i, had said last week that Sistani was opposed to al-Maliki's attempt to disarm the Mahdi Army, and also opposed his threat to exclude the Sadr Movement from running for office in the forthcoming provincial elections. (Full quote at end-- scroll down).

So, the questions are, "why" and "why now?"

I can only speculate, since Sistani isn't issuing communiques that would explain what is on his mind. But let us look at the context.

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If Sistani does turn against the US, and I believe that ultimately he will, it's over.
We should have left Iraq years ago and in fact never went there. So, McCain's disaster continues on ... for a 100 years if that GOP ahole has his way.

McCain ... same as Bush ... just older and more corrupt.

More people have voted for Hillary then Obama and more people will vote for Hillary then Obama in final primaries and more people will vote for Hillary over Obama come November. So your no vote really is not important as only a small percent will be with you on that. Now according to all the exit polls..you can count on 2/3 of 19million people not crossing over and voting for Obama. In fact at least 1/3 will vote for McCain... WHO SHOULD BE THE NOMINEE? The person who can win the states Democrats need to win the national election. That person is ONLY Hillary Clinton! NOT OBAMA!

More corruption from McCrap!

Two of Sen. John McCain's top campaign chairmen are serving on the board of an independent organization that is behind a new attack ad against Sen. Barack Obama, an apparent violation of the Arizona Republican's new conflict of interest policy.

Sens. Joseph Lieberman and Lindsey Graham both hold chairs for the McCain camp as well as positions on the board of advisers of Vets for Freedom, an advocacy group that supports the Iraq war.

A week ago these titles may not have been a political issue. But under McCain's newly-implemented ethics policy, Lieberman and Graham's role with Vets for Freedom is now proving problematic.

According to the policy: "No person with a McCain Campaign title or position may participate in a 527 or other independent entity that makes public communications that support or oppose any presidential candidate."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/lieberman-graham-apparent_n_103313.html

Posted by gemstone on May 23, 2008 at 10:16 PM

You are so wrong on all accounts.

Even more on the ever corrupt McCain:

The steady disclosures of past lobbying activity by campaign aides, and the struggle to minimize firings, continue to plague John McCain's presidential campaign -- but the reality is that these problems only get worse the deeper anyone digs. There you'll find an anti-cigarette tax campaign on behalf of Lorillard Tobacco and a full-scale campaign to persuade the US Senate to approve use of Yucca Mountain as a nuclear waste site.

McCain has sprung a trap on himself, demanding exceptionally high ethical standards for public officials, while simultaneously turning his campaign operation into a home for some of Washington's lobbying kingpins -- men and women who specialize in just the influence peddling McCain has repeatedly deplored.

On his own campaign web site, McCain declares:

"Too often the special interest lobbyists with the fattest wallets and best access carry the day when issues of public policy are being decided.... [McCain] has fought the 'revolving door' by which lawmakers and other influential officials leave their posts and become lobbyists for the special interests they have aided....As President, John McCain will see to it that the institutions of self-government are respected pillars of democracy, not commodities to be bought, bartered, or abused."

In glaring defiance of such reformist claims, McCain selected former Texas Congressman Thomas G. Loeffler as his national finance co-chairman, despite the fact that Loeffler matches to perfection those officials McCain demonizes, the ones who pass through a revolving door in order to "leave their posts and become lobbyists for the special interests they have aided."

After dumping Loeffler and four other high-dollar Capitol Hill rainmakers, McCain is twisting in the wind as he tries to justify retaining in key campaign posts three other leaders of the special interest community: Campaign Manager Rick Davis, senior strategist Charles (Charlie) Black and top foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann. Every one of them would feel more pride than shame in being described as "special interest lobbyists with the fattest wallets and best access who carry the day when issues of public policy are being decided."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/mccains-ethical-dilemma-c_n_103216.html

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McCain ... same as Bush ... just older and more corrupt.

If it wasn't for HRC's disgusting comments today, I could actually laugh more at this.

Well heck, here is a flowchart of HRC's thought process:

http://www.236.com/news/2008/05/22/thought_process_flowchart_hill_2_6692.php

It is over. It's time the HRC supporters got used to Obama as our nominee.

Posted by gemstone on May 23, 2008 at 10:16 PM

It is the states that vote for our nominee and it is states that vote for president.

Delegates are state representatives that vote for a nominee and Electors are state representatives that vote for President.

It is over, especially after her remarks today.

gemstone, yeah that's what hillary tells her supporters in sublminal speak. Whites won't vote for a black man. That's it isn't it. Why don't you just come out and say why hillary's supporters won't vote for barack. What has barack done to hillary, besides beat her. He could have went after her on so many levels, but chose not to. He has been kind to her and her supporters. If they want to screw themselves, so be it - then it will be obama in 2012.

Evening everyone - please forgive this but (I live out in the country) they were plowing across the road and cut the satellite line - I have no television and the computer that I have here is old (MAC G3) with an old version of Explorer and I'm on dial up. Basically - I have little to no access to up to date information. So, like I said, forgive this , but

What happened? I see that Sen. Clinton brought up the assasination of Sen. Robert Kennedy but exactly what was saidm when, to whom and what was the specific context?
I have had the murders of Sen. Kennedy and MLK, Jr. on my mind a lot lately. So much so that I've actually had some nightmares from worrying about Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton.

Then my friend told me about that web site, I searched but couldn't find it.
Something about American Arians United or something like that. They had a photo of the Obama family (Sen., wife and 2 children) with crosshairs imposed on the head of each one. At the top is said "Ready, Aim" and then at the bottom is said "F" and three blanks. My friend was outraged and wanted to know if I knew anything.
What a night to be out of touch!
Can someone please catch me up?

Survey USA issues new poll today Obama leads McCain by 9 points in Ohio - the true decency of the american people will shine through. When they open their minds and listen to Obama they will judge him as a human being.

Mary - wow that really should be reported to the police. I believe they call it battery when someone is threatened, especially lives. Maybe you could find out and post the web site so the DNC can report it.

Posted by marymac_memphis on May 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM

Posted by newsjunkie on May 24, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Now Mary, don´t get your granny panties all soiled, if it had been President George Bush( god bless him) you probably would have laughed. newsjunkie isn´t nothing more than a wannabe shithouse lawyer on welfare, he has too much time on his hands.

Good Morning ASSHATS! Here´s a few choice things I found whil wandering through the internet that Almer Gantry Gore invented:

The very idea of Hillary becoming POTUS is laughable. She could not even control her husband, what makes her think that she could run the country?July 09, 2007 at 05:31 PM

It's nice to see that Hillary's Chief Strategist can't even spell "United States". President of the "United Sates" is a bit Freudian even for her.July 09, 2007 at 05:49 PM

Hillary smells funny.July 09, 2007 at 05:51 PM

I fail to see any scenario whereby Mrs.Clinton wins the presidency. Polls suggest anywhere between 35-45% of registered voters would not vote for her under any circumstance. It's hard for me to imagine your typical Detroit autoworker, or any red-blooded male in the south actually pull a lever for a woman to be President, let alone Hillary Clinton. Call me crazy, but I still think Hillary will end up as the Howard Dean of 2008- once late November rolls around, the good folks in Iowa will ultimately pick someone who has a legitimate shot in the general election. My money is on Obama to pull off the upset, with Hillary finishing in a Howard Dean-like 3rd place. No amount of money, or Bill Clinton on the campaign trail, will change people's minds. Wait until the attack ads start- once people know the 'real Hillary' , her poll numbers will drop like a stone.July 09, 2007 at 05:52 PM

And last but least, my alltime favorite:

I had a mother for 47 years, verious teachers for over 15 years, a wife for 40 years, I don't need another female carping at me from the White House for the next 4/8 years. Thank you very much.July 09, 2007 at 05:54 PM

Posted by newsjunkie on May 24, 2008 at 12:19 AM
I have been searching and searching but with this old computer, heck, I can just barely get this site to load. I was hoping people here would know something. My friend called and she wasn't sure of the name of the group/site but it's obviously some stupid white suprem. group. I just hope that they are being monitored by the FBI or are on some Law Enforcement watch list.

For those who saw Al Gore’s “documentary”, it was very convincing of its hypothesis that global warming is a man-made phenomenon that has the potential to kill us all and end humanity. After all, the film was filled with graphs and charts, so it must be true. Let’s just get something straight here, Al Gore is not a climatologist, meteorologist, astronomer, or scientist of any kind; he is a politician. And as we all know, politicians always tell the truth. However, as Al Gore’s popularity grows and with his recent winning of an Academy Award for his movie, the issue has spiraled into massive push for quick action and stifled debate, forcing many scientists to speak out and challenge the political status quo. A group of scientists recently stated that the research behind Al Gore’s film and in fact, the concept of greenhouse gases causing global warming, is “a sham”. They claim that in fact, there is very little evidence to prove that theory, and that the evidence actually points to an increase in solar activity being the cause of climate change. In Gore’s movie, he presented evidence that was found in the research done on ice core samples from Antarctica, which he claimed is proof for the theory of CO2 being the cause of rising temperatures. However, this group of scientists state that “warmer periods of the Earth's history came around 800 years before rises in carbon dioxide levels”, meaning that a rise in Carbon Dioxide follows a rise in temperature, rather than increasing temperature following rising CO2 emissions. And not only that, but it follows behind the rise in temperature by about 800 years. The group also mentions that, “after the Second World War, there was a huge surge in carbon dioxide emissions, yet global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.” They also claim that the report given by the UN, which said it was backed by over 2,000 of the worlds leading scientists, “was a ‘sham’ given that this list included the names of scientists who disagreed with its findings.”

A conversation at the dinner table:

Bill: "So, Chelsea, what do you think mom is cooking?"

Chelsea: "I don't know dad, but it sure smells good."

Bill: "Mmmmm, smells good Hillary, what is it?"

Hillary: "SpaghettiOs."

"Barry The Barometer update"

From the moment he roared out of the Windy City, Barry demonstrated an uncanny ability to keep pace with those fickle political winds. When it comes to political meteorology, Barry The Barometer puts a grandmaster like Bubba Clinton to shame.

Prove it? No problem.

He was for unconditional troop withdrawal before he was against it.

He was for appeasement (he calls it talks without preconditions) before he was against it.

He was tight with Reverend Wright, before he - TA DA - turned against him.

He was best buds with William Ayers before he demoted him to 'some guy who lives in my hood’

He was for direct talks with Castro, the sequel, before he was against them.

He was convinced that Iran couldn’t pose a threat to a Brownie Troop, until he was persuaded by the blowback, that Iran is a dire threat to America.

The next time Barry The Barometer talks about "change", don’t get suicidal. He’s not necessarily talking about flushing America down the crapper; he’s probably forecasting the next shift in the prevailing political winds..

Goober-s Did you know that Bush gave 30 Billion dollars of your tax paying money to bear sterns, thats a financial institution. The CEO walked off with 40 million of your taxpaying money. I bet the "liberal" radio station you listen to didn't tell you that little tid bit. Oh yeah, it's all the people's fault for those banks giving them homeowners too much money. Shame on those republican voting idiots for going into those banks and demanding that banks give them whatever they asked for, dumb republican homeowners.

Grow a Brain Repuke

Corporate Welfare = Republican Values

Robbin the Hood, Republicans, take from the poor and give to the rich.

HILLARY SUSPEND YOUR CAMPAIGN NOW

Posted by rjsnj on May 23, 2008 at 07:35 PM

Took ya´ll long enough to realize what she is and that she ain´t got no chance! Of course that doesn´t mean that yobama has a chance either.

Posted by newsjunkie on May 24, 2008 at 01:31 AM

How nice of you to EXCLUDE all those dippy liberal/democratic/progressive homeowners. Of course they are innocent?

goober - those are the educated dems, they have careers and education and can read a contract. Unlike the those repukes that listen to "liberal radio" who despise education, because they don't have one. hahahaha

Also - you must practice what you preached for the last 7 years - not agreeing with President Obama makes you against america and a non patriot. - never forget that. hahahahaha

goober - I heard on the "liberal" radio talk shows the other day that the libreals were wrong. GW didn't go to Iraq for oil, because we didn't get any, see, they were wrong. hahahaha

Only a moron would take that spoonful of shit. What did you think, they were going to bring all of that oil back home and give it to america for the trillion we have spent. hahaha

No, those arabs won't let Chevron Cheney, exon, standard get those contracts - they will protect that oil. So now no oil contracts for the bushies, oil at 4 dollars a gallon, a trillion debt, tens of thousands of innocent babies killed. 4000 US Soldiers dead, 30,000 mamed for life all for the royal bush family.

Corporate Welfare = Republican Values

At least the libreals didn't let bush give the ports away -

Oh really, who told you that, "libreal" radio. Thats the problem with you repukes, you never think outside the box. If even one thing on your list was true, it probably had to be done to pay for the deficit the prior republican administration left behind.

Reagan - left a deficit
Bush 1 - left a deficit
Bush 11- left a deficit legacy for the next ten generations

Oh and I guess you want a tax cut. No we libreals are always stuck paying your bills and I resent it. I didn't vote for the crook, I was smarter and could see right through him the first time. You should have to pay for your vote not me.

Next time you hear some "fact" on liberal radio and TV ask yourself a question, Why? Don't just swallow whatever is stuck in your face. It hurts the country.

WHAT IS TO BE DONE

Newsjunkie,

I don't know how old you are but I've lived long enough to see amazing things done by Americans. WE were amazed by you from the other side of the Atlantic. That's why my dad insited on America or bust. Yet, race has always been a weak point. Just look at how railed up we are about the "wetbacks" that put food on our table relatively cheaply. Face up to how color was used against Obama...face up to how much work is needed to reason people free from the race fear and race hate. Decency is nice to invoke, but when amorphous fear and hate that are LITERALLY skin deep wash over reason like a tsunami, Hillary's point is valid: they rather a white woman than a black man-- what she left out is that they'd rather even a white cat!

The real question is do we give in, as she would have us do, and wait for her to come back in 2012, or do we innoculate Americans now so Obama can change the page of hisotry we are on?

Remember that the Republican action groups get pretty rough and that Ford's campaign was shot down fast by invoking the race issue, though all the pundits were sure he had a damn good chance. Do you think "decency" is a magic word that will end the issue amongst Dems even in the Northeast?

The point is that the "Wright" and "elitism" and "Michelle words" are all covers for a streight forward issue: a nigger in the White House...I hear it every day, even from academics!

Yet, I was here in the 60s and saw America shamed and seizing that shame to set things right. But then there was no fear, no hate, no sense that we are desperate economically. We were ashamed of ourselves and when we were told we could be decent we jumped for it. That was LBJ's magic on civil rights, health care and war on poverty. But it didn't last. Reagan would send a perosnal check of $200 to a woman in need and take away $200 million form a lot of others. And all because welfare was a boondoggle for "social professionals." In NYC 83% of welfare went to the system and only 17% to the recipient. It took a Clinton-Gingrich coalition to change that. And Obama wants decent patriotic Republicans (there are still a couple) to join with him to be fair to everyone and to be efficient. BUT FIRST HE'S GOT TO BE PRESIDENT TO GO WITH A DEM CONGRESS!

No, it is not hopeless because that "basic decency is buried there ubderneath somewhere; but we've got to dig it out, doing bowel surgery on one voter at a time. Did you ever do bowel surgery? It is both bloody and crude and delicate at the same time...it is also very time consuming and wearing. So it will require leg work by a lot of would be bowel surgeons looking for that basic decency in people's gut....All the while McCain will try to offer a non-surgical easy way out rather than allowing us to bring out those basically decent who would not let color be the issue but do see the Obama that we see-- they need to be awakened and motivated to vote, a lot more than voted for Obama against Hillary. Had the Clintons not invoked Jesse Jackson-- and perhaps you don't remember his impact on Northeast liberals (now retired in Florida)-- Obama would get a fair zero start in the campaign. But now he has been pushed into the cellar by them and if you want him in office you have to work as if your life depended on it-- as of tomorrow morning.

If you count of "decency," you'll have to prove that NOT to vote for Obama on race is considered "indecent." I don't think you can-- I wish you could, then I would sleep soundly tonight. But I will never allow myself to wake up to the same Nov. 2004 nightmare I woke up to then. Whatever happens, I will err on the side of overestimating the color negative bias and so work like hell to activate new faces with new notions and without the color bias to overcome those unchangeable than pretend that "decency" will overrun the land.

People who voted on the basis of opposing gay marriage in 2004, while America's sons were dying in combat for no good reason, to my mind are not decent. People who drive SUVs are either delusional or not decent. People who exhbit the "ain't my kid going to Iraq" disconnect syndrome are not decent. Need I go on?

I know that Obama can bring out the best in Americans as JFK did. It's not the President but what he stands for. He doesn't need a landslide, he needs a message. Obama's message makers are the same as JFK's. But JFK was Catholic but white and just squeeked in, who knows if it was thanks to a Chicago scam. What Obama needs NOW is more messengers who will carry his message early and often instead of voting the Daly Chicago style.

You end your post with a couple of "ifs." As a refugee for much of my life, let me tell you that these ifs you propose are no longer there for Americans and their dollars. You must take over the ship of state or sink with it. To save it it must be a legitimate political coup, or it will run aground as it almost did in 2000. The whole thing is that the success is proportionate to the effort. As a one time Republican I can tell you that we were sure we could win though a minority, often manipulated by big money interests without a soul or fools who thought they too could become capos of industry. If you look at the NRC web site, they are hiring big time, looking for the "dirty tricks" types Mccain likes so much.

By now America has been exsanguinated by the entrepreneurs who took their ill gotten gains off-shore. They are not buying up America, they leave it for the Arabs. But Dems continue to drive their SUVs, just like Republicans, because "our" (sic) kids are in Iraq securing a n endless supply of cheap oil. That makes me very depressed. But desperation makes me work. How about you?

Americans do the right thing, but only after all their defenses for selfishness are knocked down in meaningful dialogue. So far, it is all considered Bush's fault. But it isn't. It is the people and the Congress that gave Bush the tools and tolerated it when he used them backwards.

As Pogo said (probably before you were born): WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US!

We must struggle at the grassroots to change America BEFORE November....That's going to demand a lot more than bloging, I think.

Not for long, I hear President Obama already has in place a way to track every moron voting repuke. He's going to use executive privledge for the spying and an executive order for the taxing. hahahaha

Perfection is relevant - compared to a repuke all democrates are perfect, intelligent, and actually have facts, not "hannity facts."

Really, you pukes owe the nation an apology. Oh no that would be appeasement. Never admit your wrong even if the whole world knows it. That is repuke fake strength, but it is not christian like.

In answer to your last question - apparently the diebolt machines weren't working right. Because as you will see, this time there are actually more smart people than morons in america.

Danielet, thank you for your thoughtful post. Please, if you are addressing me, could you not use the N word. It's such a hateful word. Last year I was at a country store, and a man in the store said that word. I couldn't believe it. I said well my child is black and he's in the car. I don't really have a black child, it was the first thing that popped out.

I understand your fear. When I see some moron like goober who will never get whats going on in the world it is very scary. It's as plain as the nose on your face what the repukes have done to this country - why doesn't everyone see it? Oh yeah, it's that "liberal media."

I get the feeling you think all I do is blog but do nothing to actively contribute in my community. I live in a rural "red" area. My career has taken a hit for going against the grain. In 2003 me and my family worked the democratic booth at an event at our town. My son was five and was telling grown men that bush takes from the poor and gives to the rich. The parents of my kids schoolmates would give me dirty looks because I wasn't a "patriot" ha! I do what I can, I talk to everyone I meet out in public and somehow bring up politics and get my points across. I tell them I vote economic issues not social issues to try, nicely, to get that into their heads. You know the whole power of suggestion thing.

Some friends of mine, farmers in their 70's and white, are hillary supporters. They worked the polls recently. I asked her about the election and she said it looks like it is going to be Obama. She said they would vote for him, they certainly weren't voting for McCain. My mother is white and 67 and she is voting Obama. As he is heard and the people see more of their friends supporting him the more acceptable he will be to those uncomfortable with his skin color in the "white house". Listen after having the devil in the White House, not much could be worse. Considering the state of this country, they really have no choice. After the 2006 elections I got a lot of hope back. The last three interim elections went to dems in 30yr. republican stronghold areas. They used obama against the nominee and it didn't work.

If you look at Hillary and her Obliterate Iran statement and her vote on the war, her recent vote with bush on naming some group in Iran terrorists, as bush beats the drum to go to war with Iran, we really only have one choice.

What Hillary has done has also put herself in a pickle. If she doesn't get behind him and actively campaign for him and urge her voters to vote for him then it will cost her also. If she doesn't help him it makes her to be one who cares about herself and her power more than the country in this great state of need. The sword cuts both ways.

We will give it our best shot. If you have any specific ideas as to what I should physically do to help other than what I've been doing let me know. Don't ever underestimate Americans, I have faith in my country. It's all going to be O.K.

good morning and happy holiday :-)

I want to say how grateful I am to be able to support a candidate that has fought the inclination to use Rove tactics against his opponents.

SSSSSOOOOOO much could have been used against the Clintons, with a hint hint, wink wink, oops, I didn't mean that------
I believe he has counter attacked with grace, and not been drawn into the mud.
I know he will be able to continue that way of competing with McCain----I think it is innate in him, and he would not be able to participate in the half truth, full lies, that John McCain will not be able to stay away from.

It is my belief, that because of this, if nothing else, he will win.

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On John McCain, --------has anyone seen any evidence anywhere that John McCain was forced to stay in the sun at the Hanoi Hilton?
It is my understanding that this is what is being put forward as his reason for having melanoma, so anyone who wants to talk about his cancer that is sure to return, can be attacked because he got it while being a hero of service to this country.

Aren't there soldiers still around that were there with him? I understand most of them died, due to lack of medical treatment, but does anyone have a site where any of the survivors are speaking out? thanks

John McCain was a philanderer and playboy of proportions that put poor Bill to shame------surely there are pictures out there, before his melanoma, of his younger days of fun in the sun?
I can't find any.

I think these kind of pictures will be very helpful when when the McCain team plays the Hanoi Hilton card. To show McCain, laying in the sun with the "beautys" while cheating on his wife.

Or maybe some pictures of testimony of where McCain spent his time while in captivity---I understand it was in a cell? Not forced to stay in the sun----yet that is what is being put out there. Another spin/lie to counter focus on his cancer. (and 11,000 pages of free medical treatment that he doesn't think we who payed for that treatment desearve) sidenote lol

correction
Or maybe some pictures OR testimony of where McCain spent his time while in captivity---

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/images/A_McCain.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/&h=150&w=200&sz=7&hl=en&start=8&sig2=-29_g3zaoyJ_I7R-O5QzjQ&um=1&tbnid=TKCVNo2toJr1oM:&altq=john+mccain+family,mccain+family,&tbnh=78&tbnw=104&ei=VSI4SIu0N4z8igHjpuW6CA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmccain%2Bat%2Bhanoi%2Bhilton%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS255US255%26sa%3DN

Well, here is a picture of him after his release----1973-----anyone see sunburn? or even a slight tan?
Didn't he complain of not being able to get any sun, and being hothoused in a dark cell?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/3199/FE_PR_080117mccain_pow.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html%3FPageNr%3D12&h=360&w=540&sz=55&hl=en&start=74&sig2=j2RnUXGiEexUvbcolHYrrw&um=1&tbnid=52JugBYsx51ZUM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=132&ei=ZCc4SNnrG5iiiAG104HMCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmccain%2Bat%2Bhanoi%2Bhilton%26start%3D72%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS255US255%26sa%3DN

surely there are pictures out there, before his melanoma, of his younger days of fun in the sun?
I can't find any.

I think these kind of pictures will be very helpful when when the McCain team plays the Hanoi Hilton card. To show McCain, laying in the sun with the "beautys" while cheating on his wife.

All Democrats should take this warning, about bashing Clinton.

She has had more people voting for her than O'Bama, if they were all counted!

We could get mighty proud and refuse to vote. Period!

In this election, if you don't count all "her" votes? Instead of dividing the Florida and Michigan votes with O'Bama

Where would your smart, testy, O'Bama people be then?

You are really walking on Holy ground when you walk all over Hillary.